11 Months as a POW in North Korea | Steven Woelk

Steven Woelk recounts his service aboard the USS Pueblo, its 1968 capture by North Korea, and the brutal 11 months he and his shipmates spent as prisoners. We also discuss the crew’s resistance inside captivity, the injuries and abuse he endured, their eventual release, and why he wrote Pig Fat Soup to keep the Pueblo story from being forgotten. Get Steve's book here: https://a.co/d/0j4rcW1x Today's Sponsors: VAER Watches ⬇️ https://www.vaerwatches.com/theteamhouse get a free watch roll with your purchase. 20% for active duty, veteran, leo, & first responders GhostBed ⬇️ https://www.ghostbed.com/house FOR 10% off! Blue Chew ⬇️ https://bluechew.com/ Get 1 month free when you buy 2 of BlueChew Gold with code "HOUSECALL" Ultra Pouches ⬇️ Don’t sleep on @ultrapouches. New customers get 15% Off with code HOUSE at https://takeultra.com/ #ultrapouches #ad For ad free video and audio and access to live streams... JOIN OUR PATREON! https://www.patreon.com/c/TheTeamHouse To help support the show and for all bonus content including: -live shows and asking guest questions -ad free audio and video -early access to shows -Access to ALL bonus segments with our guests Subscribe to our Patreon! ⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse ___________________________________________________ GRAB JACK'S NEW BOOK "THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN" ⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️⬇️ https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/803651/the-most-dangerous-man-by-jack-murphy/paperback/ Subscribe to the new EYES ON podcast here:⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/@EyesOnGeopoliticsPod/featured Jack Murphy's book "We Defy: The Lost Chapters of Special Forces History" ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/We-Defy-Chapters-Special-History-ebook/dp/B0DCGC1N1N/ Or make a one time donation at: ⬇️ https://ko-fi.com/theteamhouse Social Media: ⬇️ The Team House Instagram: https://instagram.com/the.team.house?utm_medium=copy_link The Team House Twitter: https://twitter.com/TheTeamHousePod Jack’s Instagram: https://instagram.com/jackmcmurph?utm_medium=copy_link Jack’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/jackmurphyrgr?s=21 Team House Discord: ⬇️ https://discord.gg/wHFHYM6 "Karl Casey @ White Bat Audio" 00:00 – Start 01:01 – Stephen Joins the Navy 01:50 – Assigned to the USS Pueblo 03:02 – The Pueblo’s Intelligence Mission 04:09 – The Blue House Raid & the Road to the Pueblo Crisis 06:36 – USS Liberty & the Vulnerability of Spy Ships 08:00 – How Poorly Armed Was the Pueblo? 09:09 – The North Koreans Close In 10:52 – General Quarters 11:34 – Trying to Destroy Classified Material 13:03 – Why the Pueblo Couldn’t Destroy Its Secrets Fast Enough 14:42 – North Korea Opens Fire 17:11 – Stephen Is Hit by a 57mm Round 19:01 – Losing His Friend During the Attack 20:15 – North Korean Forces Board the Pueblo 21:47 – Being Taken Off the Ship 24:37 – The Crew Enters North Korean Captivity 26:04 – Wounds Become Severely Infected 27:02 – Surgery Without Anesthesia 31:04 – Transferred to a North Korean Hospital 32:18 – The North Korean Doctor Who Treated Him 35:35 – Forced Propaganda & Confessions 36:46 – Commander Bucher Refuses to Sign 38:05 – Life Inside the POW Camp 40:16 – How the Crew Resisted Their Captors 42:23 – Giving North Korea the Middle Finger 43:47 – The North Koreans Discover What It Means 44:42 – “Hell Week” Begins 47:23 – The Worst Beatings of His Captivity 47:41 – Did North Korea Try to Brainwash the Crew? 48:49 – Leadership Inside the Prison Camp 50:54 – Planning an Escape From Pyongyang 53:38 – Was U. S. Intelligence Watching the Prisoners? 54:47 – Signs That Release Might Be Coming 56:21 – Crossing the Bridge of No Return 57:31 – Fear of Returning Home to Face the Navy 58:42 – 11 Months in North Korean Captivity 58:57 – The Negotiations That Finally Freed the Crew 1:01:34 – Returning to the United States 1:04:00 – Telling His Father What Happened in North Korea 1:05:30 – The NSA Debriefing 1:06:42 – Leaving the Navy 1:08:05 – Building a Life After the Pueblo 1:08:31 – Why Stephen Wrote Pig Fat Soup 1:10:47 – Why the Pueblo Story Has Been Forgotten 1:12:04 – The Meaning Behind “Pig Fat Soup” 1:13:41 – Losing 55 Pounds in Captivity 1:14:00 – Life Today & Helping Other Veterans 1:16:57 – The Painting of the Pueblo Attack 1:19:14 – Final Thoughts Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 0:59Jack Murphy?

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  Hey, folks. Welcome to the Team House. I'm Jack McPhee, and we are here with today's guest, Stephen Wolke. He is the author of Pig Fat Soup, which is a memoir about primarily his time on the USS Pueblo and an incident that has been largely forgotten by American history. I don't think most kids get taught about this in high school. They should. The Pueblo was captured by the North Koreans in 1968, and Stephen was held as a prisoner. I went through a terrible ordeal in prisoner of war camps in North Korea before being repatriated to the United States. And it's an incredible story. So Stephen, thank you for joining us on the podcast today, and thank you for writing your memoir.

• 4:49Jack Murphy?

  Thank you for the opportunity.

• 4:52Jack Murphy?

  So Stephen, let's start at the beginning. You know, your book has some pretty interesting information about, you know, your upbringing and how you joined the Navy. Let's talk a little bit about that.

• 5:05Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 5:07Jack Murphy?

  I didn't, there's three of us my age. We really didn't want to be drafted, so we thought, you know, the Navy would be the best way to go. So we joined right out of high school. I think it was October of that, that year, we went to boot camp in San Diego. And we were, we were all 18, just turning 19, you know, and eager, eager to get, get to going, I guess.

• 5:35Jack Murphy?

  But we, when we, of course, we went through the boot camp. And then our, my first duty station was the Pueblo in Brember and Washington. That's, that's when it kind of all started for me, you know. The Pueblo was then, was being retrofitted to house 30 communication technicians for our mission, which was spying and out of a crew of 83 total. The rest of us ran the ship. 30 communication technicians took care of them. They were the spooks. They took care of the surveillance.

• 6:18Jack Murphy?

  And what was your job on the Pueblo?

• 6:21Jack Murphy?

  Well, being right out of boot camp, I wasn't given a school. So, you know, I was at the mercy of whatever the Navy wanted to hand me. And I wanted to be electrician's mate. That position was already taken. So I just standing engine room watches, basically, until something come along later on, which it did right before we were captured. Intercommunication technician, I might have went in that direction, but that didn't happen.

• 6:54Jack Murphy?

  Tell us a little bit, then, about the Pueblo's mission and that deployment that you went on with the ship.

• 7:02Jack Murphy?

  What was the mission?

• 7:03Jack Murphy?

  Yes.

• 7:05Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, we were, of course, none of us regular guys knew our mission at all. We were just along for the ride. We didn't associate with the communication techs that much. And of course, they wouldn't indulge what they were up to anyway. So we, we really didn't know.

• 7:30Jack Murphy?

  You know, until we were setting off a coast of some country, I didn't have any idea. And then, of course, when the ships come up and the flags are flown, we understood where we were.

• 7:46Jack Murphy?

  Because of the compartmentalization of this intelligence program, you know, guys like you weren't read on to, you know, the, I guess, the bigger picture, the larger mission?

• 7:57Jack Murphy?

  No, no.

• 8:01Jack Murphy?

  And I think there's a little bit of backstory that I'd like to ask you about, kind of leading up to the event, the attack on the Pueblo. The Blue House raid, and also the USS Liberty, you point out in your book, happened just seven months prior to the Pueblo being captured. And all these things are sort of interrelated in an interesting way. And I was, I was wondering if you could talk a bit about that?

• 8:26Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, the Blue House raid, of course, is a raid to assassinate the president of South Korea.

• 8:36Jack Murphy?

  I don't, I don't remember how many guys came across the border, but they got right up close to, to their, the Blue House, it's called, where the president stays, before they were stopped.

• 8:53Jack Murphy?

  It is kind of a theory that that may be why North Korea come after us. You know, it was payback. We were sitting out there all alone and no help in sight, so we were easy pickings for them. But, you know, it sure seems like the Blue House raid had a lot of influence on us being captured, being taken, seized.

• 9:27Jack Murphy?

  The idea being maybe, or theoretically being that the North Koreans feared that the United States would retaliate for the Blue House raid, and so they wanted to take some American hostages.

• 9:40Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. That part was written up by my co-author, Robert Lofthouse. Yeah, I didn't really deal into that, all the specifics on it. But there is, he really explains it well in the book, you know, on how they came across and how many there were, and the one that did survive and gave the Army a lot of information, you know, on how that was all set up and where they came across and the whole mission,

• 10:24Jack Murphy?

  basically, and how it failed.

• 10:27Jack Murphy?

  And there's also a mention of the USS Liberty and it being attacked about seven months prior, and some thought that that may have informed what the North Koreans did?

• 10:38Jack Murphy?

  Well, you know, if nothing else, the Navy should have kind of realized that these type ships are vulnerable.

• 10:48Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 10:49Jack Murphy?

  And the Liberty, they had the firepower, you know, they had the capabilities, we didn't. So, you know, that whole program, it really needed to be looked at a lot closer than what it was. There was a ship USS Banner, it was, it had been out on a mission, same type ship as the Pueblo and also the Palm Beach. There's three ships in the Banner class. And the Banner, it was out on station and really didn't have any problems, you know. You know, you get harassed from the Russians, you get harassed from the Chinese, but there

• 11:32Jack Murphy?

  was really no harassment from the North Koreans as far as I heard, anyway. So, you know, that program should have been looked at a lot closer on the assignments or on the missions that we were set out to do.

• 11:51Jack Murphy?

  And just to emphasize that, the Pueblo was unarmed, you're saying. I mean, did crew members have small arms? Was there even that?

• 12:00Jack Murphy?

  There was small arms. I think there's a couple 30 caliber submachine guns and some handguns, you know. But the main gun was a 50 caliber machine gun, had two of them, one was stored below, as far as I know. The other one was mounted on a handrail with no armor around it. It was winter time, so there was a canvas on it, and it was covered with ice.

• 12:25Jack Murphy?

  Wow.

• 12:26Jack Murphy?

  So, you know, to get to something like that, you had to carry your bandolier of ammunition over your shoulder, across 20 feet of open deck, up an eight-foot ladder, across another six feet to the 50 caliber, and take off the canvas and load it, and while you're under fire.

• 12:53Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 12:54Jack Murphy?

  It's suicide, suicide mission.

• 12:58Jack Murphy?

  Could you walk us through the day of the attack on the Pueblo? Kind of what you were doing that, you know, early in the day, going about your duties to when you started to realize something was wrong?

• 13:12Jack Murphy?

  You know, we noticed a North Korean trawler the day before and really didn't think that much about it. Of course, we radio silence and really wasn't talking to anybody, from my understanding. And then the next day, the ships started coming in, the planes started coming in, and of course, you don't jump to conclusions right off the bat. Booker was told before we ever left, you know, don't go out there and start a World War III with North Korea. You know, don't show any signs of atrocity.

• 13:54Jack Murphy?

  So, you don't, you don't just jump out there and man the machine gun just because they're coming up and act like they're threatening. You don't know. But I was off duty at the time, and there were several of us looking out the forward hatch at them coming in. So, you know, I saw the flag and saw the soldiers on board with their AK-47s all drawn and ready. And then Commander Booker ordered everybody, stay inside, don't shut all the hatches and

• 14:39Jack Murphy?

  don't let them know how many people we have on board, basically. And then shortly after that, the general quarters was called, and I went to my general quarters station, which was the auxiliary engine room.

• 14:50Jack Murphy?

  And we should point out here also that the Pueblo at this time is in international waters. Whatever the legal, it's like 20 miles off the coast or something like that, right?

• 15:02Jack Murphy?

  I, you know, I've heard several different things. I've heard it's 12 mile, and we were more than 14 miles off the coast. To my knowledge and to the guys that I know who were in the pilot house, and we were never in their waters. We knew better than that.

• 15:24Jack Murphy?

  What happened after you got assigned to general quarters?

• 15:30Jack Murphy?

  Went down to the auxiliary engine room. My best friend was down there, Dwayne Hodges. We just was watching the generator that supplies power to the SOD hut, which is where the communication techs are all located and all the equipment. And after, down there, we couldn't hear anything, you know, the noise of the engine, just didn't know what was going on. We could hear some plinking on the side of the ship, but didn't put two and two together till later on with machine gun fire.

• 16:10Jack Murphy?

  But we were called up, or Dwayne was called up individually to help in the destruction of top secret and classified documents with two other guys. And once he was out of there, I was actually replaced by another engine man, and I went up to the same place Dwayne was. So, there was four of us trying to destroy just tons of documents the best way we could. So, that's, my time on general quarters was very short. Then I was ordered to go up and start the destruction of the materials.

• 16:53Jack Murphy?

  And you write about in the book how the facilities and the resources that you guys had on the ship for the destruction of classified material was wholly inadequate, that there's like one incinerator, but it wasn't big enough, or even close to big enough to do the job?

• 17:12Jack Murphy?

  No, no. And we were using the standard government trash cans, the metal trash cans, and of course, in order to get any type of paper to burn, you have to tear it up. You can't just pile it up and light it on fire. And so, it's very time consuming, and like I said, we had mounds of it to destroy. So, it got to the point where just starting fires all over the ship on the deck, inside, interior deck to just try to get rid of what we could. Of course, the smoke is unbearable. I was sitting in front of the captain's safe, and I was pulling documents out of it.

• 17:56Jack Murphy?

  So, I was kind of by myself there, up an adjacent corridor from the rest of them. What I'd pull out of there, I just handed to the other three to start burning it and destroy it. There were weighted bags that was filled as much as they could, you know, and tried to jettison over the side, but when you're under fire, that's really difficult to do. I think there's, from what I was told, there's a couple of them that were thrown overboard, but very little was destroyed.

• 18:32Jack Murphy?

  And so, as you're trying to destroy these documents, what's going on outside as the North Koreans approached the Pueblo?

• 18:42Jack Murphy?

  Well, Booker was trying to stall for time. They threw the signal flags, you know, he to for boarding party and Booker, you know, no thanks, we're leaving the area. And so we tried to take off, you know, and ever attempt, we tried to take off, they'd fire, fire at us. And then it got to the point, you know, he stopped, Jim tried to give us time to get rid of what we could. And then they'd start firing on us again. They just riddled the pilot house

• 19:20Jack Murphy?

  with the machine gun fire and 57 millimeter rounds, trying to disable the ship that way. It appears that they took aim on our area with the 57 millimeter round that come through the side of ship where the four of us were working. We opened up a hatch so the smoke could get out, you know, and I don't know whether it was aiming in that area or what, but yeah, they, they, they really, they were firing from all sides. And of course, we had the two Russian MiGs overhead too, that were threatening. But it was, of course, all we could hear was just, like I said, the plinking of the machine gun fire on the side of the

• 20:05Jack Murphy?

  ship. And we kind of thought we were safe. Had the ship's side, metal side to protect us. And no big deal. The machine gun fire wasn't penetrating.

• 20:20Jack Murphy?

  Just to clarify, did you or do you know, were the MiGs being flown by actual Russians? Or were they Russian MiGs flown by North Koreans?

• 20:30Jack Murphy?

  I have no idea. That's probably written up in the, in the books somewhere. Whenever all the documents were declassified in Washington, there was a couple of really good books that came out about, you know, the, what the government did, what they did do and NSA did and didn't do and Navy, you know, and, and, but there's a lot of information there. And, but I don't know whether I ever knew whether it was Russian or North Korean or Chinese.

• 21:02Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, right. And you and I, I believe from what I read in the book, there was three of you total who were hurt pretty substantially. How did these injuries come about? I mean, was this while you were in the pilot house getting shot up by machine gun fire?

• 21:19Jack Murphy?

  No, really wasn't in the pilot house. We were on the main deck, just outside the officer's wardroom and our captain's quarters. Yeah, we, we were, the other three, they were in this short passageway and, and a 57 millimeter came through the side of the ship and exploded. They, Dwayne Hodges, he caught a majority of the blast. He must have been right up against the side of the ship. We had two marine, Marines on board. One of them was with us. They're trying to destroy material too. He was wounded in the leg. Shapnall came up the

• 22:04Jack Murphy?

  passageway and caught me in the, in the waist, blew me over backwards. The horrendous blast, you know, and smoke and fire. And the third guy, he was, he had flash burns up and down his leg. I was, I couldn't move from my waist down. People were kind of tripping over me up and down the corridor or passageway. So I pulled myself around to the officer's mess and got out of the way. I could boom myself, but I couldn't walk. I couldn't get up or

• 22:43Jack Murphy?

  crawl. But we were, we were on the main deck. We weren't out upon the pilot house.

• 22:51Jack Murphy?

  What happened when you, after you pulled yourself into the officer's mess?

• 22:56Jack Murphy?

  It wasn't too long after that, that our ship's corpsman, Doc Baldrick, he brought Dwayne, Dwayne's body around and put him just outside the door. And I was on the inside. And Doc, he got in between Dwayne and I, and he tried to comfort Dwayne as much as he could, you know, with, with what little supplies we had on board as far as bandages and morphine. I got one sir, out of morphine to ease my pain. And of course, Dwayne, he

• 23:36Jack Murphy?

  needed all he could get. He probably didn't survive more than a matter of minutes as bad as he was wounded. But Doc did the best he could, you know, trying to patch me up. And he told me later, you know, what saved my life as far as not bleeding to get to death, I was laying on my bandages, which helps stop the blood. But then, after they boarded

• 24:12Jack Murphy?

  us, they came on board, they took Baldrick's away from us or from me. So I was there by myself. And it was a long period of time that before Korean guard came in and they put me up on, on the dining table. And so I was there for I don't know how long, but it was a long period of time before I was ever taken off the ship.

• 24:45Jack Murphy?

  Did the North Koreans at this point attempt to communicate with you at all?

• 24:49Jack Murphy?

  No, no, there was, if the officer that was with them spoke English, he did not speak English to me. It was just mainly the guards that were, they'd stick their head in the door. But that was basically, they'd take watches and rings and whatever that they were after the trinkets more than I think what they really realized they had, that they just wanted.

• 25:16Jack Murphy?

  Right. I think, didn't, didn't you say they took your watch, but they left your high school ring?

• 25:23Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. Surprisingly, they took it and then they gave it back to me.

• 25:28Jack Murphy?

  Oh, really? Well, that was decent enough, I guess.

• 25:33Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. Don't understand that.

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• 31:31Jack Murphy?

  So, I mean, you're, you know, riding that cloud, I guess, a little bit as far as the morphine until that wears off. But what do you recollect of them, you know, actually picking you up and moving you? Because now they have to put you on a North Korean vessel and transport you to the mainland.

• 31:57Jack Murphy?

  We were docked in Monsoon. They apparently put a pilot on board and pilot us into the dock, into the harbor. So when we dock, I don't know, you know, I, there's only one small hatch in the wardroom, and I couldn't see out, so I had no idea what was going on. I could just hear the roar of the main engine. And it was a long period of time. There was no foot traffic up and down corridors other than the North Koreans. And then all of a sudden, they came in and wrapped me up

• 32:39Jack Murphy?

  in a plastic tablecloth that was on top of the table and pretty much drove me off of the table and onto the deck. And I really thought they was gonna throw me overboard. I didn't know we had docked. So a lot goes through your mind in a matter of 15 seconds of going up a corridor, you know? And you know about how far it is to the outside and where the water's at. And when they put their foot on the gangplank, I recognized it and knew, you know,

• 33:19Jack Murphy?

  we were docked somewhere. And then they dragged me across to a waiting bus.

• 33:30Jack Murphy?

  Apparently, everybody had been taken off and were either on the bus I was put on or another bus. They put me between the seats on a stretcher. I could look out and we were all blindfolded and our hands were tied, so we really couldn't see what was going on. But you could twist around and look through your blindfold, you know? And I could see the bunch of the crewmen that were sitting beside me. And then we took off then. And I really think I was probably the last one to leave bloodbowl.

• 34:14Jack Murphy?

  Because when I got on the bus, it took off.

• 34:18Jack Murphy?

  Where did they take you initially?

• 34:21Jack Murphy?

  We went to a train. Then we spent the night on a train, or the rest of the night on a train,

• 34:30Jack Murphy?

  to our first place, which was a dingy, dark room. And they put the three of us wounded together with another crewman, which, why they didn't give us the corpsman, I don't know. But our help was a fellow crewman, who the only experience he had in first aid was through Boy Scouts. But he did a tremendous job of taking care of us. And the other two were, you know, they could help too. As far as me, I couldn't. I couldn't. Like I said, I couldn't move from the waist down. And so I was pretty much helpless.

• 35:15Jack Murphy?

  But, yeah, it was a terrible, dirty, dark, cold room for the four of us. And we just didn't know what was going on.

• 35:29Jack Murphy?

  Then the next day, we were taken and to another building, which really wasn't any better. Still dirty floors and just a single light bulb, dim light hanging down from the ceiling. And but this is where, after 10 days, they started attending to our needs. But they didn't really do anything for us up until that point.

• 35:57Jack Murphy?

  You guys were dealing with like infection and things like that after, I imagine, 10, 12 days?

• 36:03Jack Murphy?

  Yes. Yes, after that many days, you know, and you could just tell by the stench in the room, you know? It was just, it was almost unbearable for us, but we were around at 24/7. But the guards, they'd come in and put a bandana around her face so they didn't have to smell. They didn't bother us that much because of the odor we were putting off. But, yeah, the infection had to be setting in pretty bad. And I know if they hadn't started tending to us, I was probably gonna be the next one to die. And it was that bad.

• 36:46Jack Murphy?

  Was it like a North Korean medic or like, at what point was it that you actually got transported to the hospital to receive, you know, proper medical care?

• 36:56Jack Murphy?

  Well, I went through surgery first. They did the surgery right during that second place we were taken to. They come on, come in there one night and... Wrap me up in that uh plastic tablecloth again. I've been on it since I left the ship. And I went into this little room. It almost looked like a kitchen. It had cabinets on the wall and um just wasn't that big a room uh was was not set up for surgery that I that I recall at all. Um um they put me on a table and tied my legs down and and um there was a doctor there. He had a mask on.

• 37:41Jack Murphy?

  Um uh there was nurses too and and guards. Of course, I was tied, I was still tied. My legs were tied together. At that point, they untied my legs, but I was my arms and uh my hands were still tied together and still blindfolded. And they stripped me of my clothes and then they they started uh removing shrapnel and bone fragments and uh uh infection, you know, and they um I ended up um I only had just a very small amount of of shrapnel. There was a couple of pieces went through me.

• 38:21Jack Murphy?

  Um one of them uh took out my uh right pubic bone, took out half of it and and took out half my tailbone at the same time. Um it uh hit my testicles. The shrapnel damaged my testicles. They were also removed surgically at the same time. And uh but all this was done without any anesthesia. They just they just started cutting away with the scissors and

• 38:48Jack Murphy?

  Good God.

• 38:49Jack Murphy?

  Um it it was just the only way I could stand it. I'd just scream as loud as I could, you know, I I I I never did pass out as far as I know, because I I can I can still remember the pain and uh and the probably, you know, the operation probably didn't last ten minutes, but it felt like it was hours in there. They took me back to the room and uh I just passed out. I don't remember the rest of the night, but uh and they took the marine in there and um he had a piece of shrapnel in his inner thigh, about the size of a silver dollar and a quarter inch thick, and they just took some forceps and jerked it out and

• 39:30Jack Murphy?

  um no anesthesia and, you know, sutured him up just like they sutured me up with the what looked like kite string uh or the the string that you see in uh the ties up meat, you know,

• 39:44Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:45Jack Murphy?

  like uh cord like uh that that was their suturing material.

• 39:51Jack Murphy?

  Uh it was effective, I guess.

• 39:56Jack Murphy?

  It's like Dr. Frankenstein's stuff, though.

• 39:59Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. But you know, you you think uh uh the Korean people um more likely, that's the type of medical treatment they would get too.

• 40:11Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 40:12Jack Murphy?

  Uh uh the now the the military, they they probably uh I'm I'm sure they treat them a lot better. And of course, their officers, they're they're treated like uh uh get whatever they want, I suppose, as long as they're loyal. Um but uh you know, I I feel for the American or not the American, the Korean people have to live under those conditions. That's just terrible.

• 40:38Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I I'm I'm sure you're right that they were treating you with the same materials and the same resources that they would have had for their own people.

• 40:46Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 40:49Jack Murphy?

  Uh so you wake up the next day and where are you guys transported to next?

• 40:56Jack Murphy?

  Well, um the the after the fourth day, I wasn't getting any better. Um so they that's when they uh came in, they wrapped me in a blanket. Uh I had no idea where we were going. Um but uh this was just me that was leaving, not not anybody else. They they took me out of the building. I it was extremely cold. Um um round of uh in in February, actually, and uh it's it's fourteen days after we were seized, uh threw me in the back of the jeep, uh laying in the back. Um blindfolded again, I I couldn't see. I don't know. It was it was dark. I could see the stars and

• 41:41Jack Murphy?

  but they took me to the North Korean hospital. Um there I'd spent forty-four days recouping and by the end of the forty-four days, I was able to um walk across the room, you know, and and uh but that was about it. It it took me a long time to recoupe.

• 42:02Jack Murphy?

  Could you tell us a bit about the North Korean doctor? Because it sounds like he's sort of the first person, first North Korean that you had some semblance of a relationship with.

• 42:13Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, um you know, he he seemed to always um there have a smile on his face. Of course, he wore a mask all the time, but uh um and I couldn't understand a word he was saying, of course. And the only time I I they would bring in an interpreter is when they wanted something. So uh that that was very rarely they'd come in with an interpreter. So um it was uh you know, by showing or or sign language or or whatever to get get it pointed across um what he was gonna do or um

• 42:52Jack Murphy?

  but um one time, I'll jump ahead, and one time they brought in. I I I was getting uh daily injections and one day they came in with a uh vial of of what looked like penicillin to me, a the um milky looking uh substance in a in a vial. And I'm allergic to penicillin. So it took me some doing to uh convince them that I I can't take that. And they they didn't give it to me. But no, he he seemed to be an okay, okay guy and uh um and I'm sure he was probably the one that operated on me too, but you know, you can only do what you allowed to do.

• 43:34Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 43:35Jack Murphy?

  So I I can't fault him for that. Uh it's it wasn't him, it's the regime. But uh no, um the nurses, now that's that's another story. Uh I'm sure they were left alone with me long enough, they just assumed cut my throat. Uh um the only time they would laugh or giggle was I'm sure the the it was they was laughing at me for some reason, you know, not uh but it was uh her probably my injuries, they were laughing about that, but you know, they

• 44:17Jack Murphy?

  they they showed no remorse whatsoever towards me. They were scary.

• 44:25Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, because of the brainwashing, the the propaganda that they get indoctrinated with.

• 44:30Jack Murphy?

  Absolutely. From the time they're able to comprehend uh uh it's just brainwashed into them. Uh hate Americans, kill Americans and uh they, you know, their their army's the best, their economy's the best, uh everything they do um is better than anywhere else in the world.

• 44:53Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 44:56Jack Murphy?

  You know, you you're not gonna take that from their mind very easily. It uh no coup's gonna go in there and and uh change the minds of the whole population. It's not gonna happen.

• 45:10Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, like Kim Il-sung, single-handedly won the Korean War on their behalf.

• 45:16Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:19Jack Murphy?

  Uh you know, you mentioned that they would bring an interpreter when they want something from you. There was that um they they did take that opportunity uh while you were in the hospital, right, to make a propaganda film and and put that document in front of you?

• 45:34Jack Murphy?

  Yes, yes. I didn't realize what the crew had went through. Of course, I I had no no idea what any of the crew went through until after I went back. But um they they wanted me to sign this document and and um uh I signed it because I I saw my friends' signatures on there and recognized their signature and so I went ahead and signed it. But uh yeah, it like I said, when they when they want something, they'll bring the cameras in and they'll bring uh potted plants in and set them there and magazines and everything, throw it out there and they make um throw a fruit

• 46:19Jack Murphy?

  some apples in front of you, you know, like they're fresh cigarettes or something. They're just all show and then when it's all over, it's all taken away.

• 46:30Jack Murphy?

  And with this letter, the, you know, so-called confession uh that you were in North Korean waters and being aggressive or such and such?

• 46:42Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it, they, of course, the crew didn't want anything to do with it. You know, Commander Booker absolutely refused to sign.

• 46:54Jack Murphy?

  And of course, they started beating on the crew tremendously.

• 47:04Jack Murphy?

  Commander Booker, they nearly beat him to death trying to get him to sign. And it just got to the point where you can only take so much. But when they come in and tell you, you know, we're going to start killing your crew, the youngest first. That, from what I understand, that pretty much did it. He went ahead and signed then and instructed the crew to do the same.

• 47:32Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it's not worth dying over.

• 47:35Jack Murphy?

  Right, right.

• 47:38Jack Murphy?

  And when you were eventually discharged from the hospital, was that when you were brought to what was like an actual POW camp?

• 47:49Jack Murphy?

  Well, it was a, it was a three-story building. It was better than the other two by far. It was still, you know, dirty walls and dirty floors and single light bulb from the ceiling. But it, it was a, the hallways were like marble or, and the walls. It was like, there was also a large soccer field outside. So it was, it was almost like a sports complex for visiting teams, maybe from other nations. So there was individual rooms.

• 48:28Jack Murphy?

  We were put eight to a room at that time with eight beds and a little nightstand and a table in the middle of the room for art playing or whatever, you know, to kind of take our time during the days when they weren't beating on us.

• 48:54Jack Murphy?

  But it was, it was better.

• 48:58Jack Murphy?

  Of course, you're, you're still restricted. You can't do anything. I mean, you have to watch what you say, watch what you do.

• 49:09Jack Murphy?

  You're just under constant watch, basically. You have to really be careful.

• 49:17Jack Murphy?

  We were allowed, we were allowed to go outside about 15, 20 minutes a day when the weather permitted.

• 49:26Jack Murphy?

  Out on this soccer field, some of the guys, they played touch football and some they had a soccer, not soccer, volleyball. Some played volleyball. But a lot of guys just kind of walked around and talked, you know. And that's when we could converse amongst each other and kind of

• 49:49Jack Murphy?

  come up with different ways to be a real pain in their ass somehow, which we did, we did. We, we made it hard on them at times.

• 50:00Jack Murphy?

  What were some of the like techniques of like passive resistance that, you know, you and the crew members enacted in the camp?

• 50:09Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, sarcasm went right over their head.

• 50:16Jack Murphy?

  Commander Booker was just so good at writing up something or doing speeches, you know, and trying to

• 50:27Jack Murphy?

  say what they wanted him to say, but yeah, it meant something else. Just for instance, like, I think, I think it's a French word, it's pion. And one of the phrases Booker used in one of the speeches, you know, pion, the North Koreans, pion chime song, you know. And it went right over their head, you know.

• 50:53Jack Murphy?

  They interpreted as being, as praising them, praising him. That was kind of, little things like that he'd come up with. And when he would address us in group meetings, you know, it's sometimes so hard to keep a straight face some of the comments he made. Like I said, sarcasm just went over their head. The censored letters that we were forced to write home, a lot of little things were put in there like

• 51:32Jack Murphy?

  tell Uncle Joe hi, Uncle Jemima died 20 years before, or tell Aunt Jemima hi, you know, or just

• 51:44Jack Murphy?

  things that they could not verify. But the US families would know, the government would know that this isn't right.

• 51:52Jack Murphy?

  Right, that you're being held under duress and these confessions are coming out of torture and so forth.

• 52:00Jack Murphy?

  Right, right.

• 52:03Jack Murphy?

  You guys also came up with a funny code signal, flipping the bird in the propaganda photographs that they took of you.

• 52:15Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, that was our, that was our biggest highlight, I guess.

• 52:21Jack Murphy?

  We, somebody noticed one of the propaganda films they showed us that they, a bystander was giving the cameraman a finger. And we thought, yeah, well, if he can do that, maybe we can do it too. So the word got spread, you know, that try using it. And we started using it in the photographs. And I suppose every one of the group photographs of room photograph, where there's taken eight, eight of us at a time in photograph, somebody in that photograph was given a finger. So it was well documented.

• 53:04Jack Murphy?

  And it went right over their head. They had no idea what it meant.

• 53:13Jack Murphy?

  Suspicion got the best of them one time and they asked what it meant. And somebody told us, Hawaii good luck sign, you know, it's no big deal. And then some energetic journalist in the US decided to tell the world what it meant. And that's when all hell broke loose on us over there.

• 53:44Jack Murphy?

  It got pretty bad, real quick.

• 53:49Jack Murphy?

  And this

• 53:50Jack Murphy?

  To the guys that, go ahead.

• 53:52Jack Murphy?

  I was just going to say, this, I mean, famously happened in the Hanoi Hilton as well. And there's that photograph of, I believe it was in Newsweek, where the guy given, an American POW giving two middle fingers. And to censor it in the American press, they like blurred it out and it looked like his, you know, I remember a story where like his niece or his daughter thought that the Vietnamese had chopped off his fingers. It's like, no, that's not.

• 54:17Jack Murphy?

  Oh, I hadn't heard that.

• 54:18Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 54:21Jack Murphy?

  But, so tell us about this, the retaliation that you guys were subjected to when they, when the North Koreans found out about this.

• 54:31Jack Murphy?

  They, but before there was eight of us to a room, then they put 10 of us in a room. 10 beds and 10 chairs were put at the end of the, each, a chair was put at the end of each bed where we would sit with our chin down on our breath, our chest, you know, and our hands on our knees and have to look straight down all day long unless we went to the bathroom or went to eat. And the guard, there was just enough room for the guard to come in between us, between our knees. And when you're looking down like that, you can't, you can't see him coming.

• 55:15Jack Murphy?

  And he would just come in and knock somebody out of their chair with either his calloused hands from martial arts. I mean, their, their hands, I got hit in the neck and his hands just felt like a tube before hitting me.

• 55:30Jack Murphy?

  They were like chop, chop you in the neck?

• 55:33Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 55:36Jack Murphy?

  And the rifle butcha, you know, and just hit you with their fist, knock you out of the chair. And what they couldn't understand is we would get right back up and get, sit right back in the chair. We feared if we laid on the floor, they'd kick the crap out of us, you know. And we didn't, none of us wanted that. And some of us got it anyway. But our room, you know, they knocked us out of the chair, we'd just get right back up and sit back down. But what, what's really nerving about that whole deal was you'd be in your room and the doors were always open, open to all the rooms.

• 56:21Jack Murphy?

  And of course, we couldn't see any other rooms, but we could hear what was going on. You could hear chairs being thrown across the room and screams and hollers and slaps like people were getting hit. And you don't know whether they've got a room just set up across the hall that's empty and they're doing that themselves, or they're doing it to the rest of the crew. Well, most of it was done on the rest of the crew, especially to the guys that were given the finger. They'd come down hard on them and come down on hard on Commander Booker too for letting it go. And so it was, it was hell week for about a week.

• 57:05Jack Murphy?

  It lasted about a week.

• 57:07Jack Murphy?

  I think you wrote that that was probably the worst beating you took the entire time you were there.

• 57:13Jack Murphy?

  It was for me. Yeah. I can't answer that for the rest of the guys because I don't know what they went through on the confession letter. But that was for me.

• 57:25Jack Murphy?

  Something I wanted to ask you about was, you know, it's come somewhat famous or infamous, I suppose, that American POWs during the Korean War were subjected to communist propaganda and indoctrination sessions and things like that. I want to ask, did the North Koreans ever attempt that with you guys?

• 57:44Jack Murphy?

  No, they really didn't. They provided magazines, you know, they were heavily anti-American and again, how great they were. But no, there was no attempt to try to convince us, you know, to, to, to come over to their side. We knew better than that. And but no, there wasn't any of that.

• 58:24Jack Murphy?

  There wasn't any type of brainwashing as far as I know on anybody.

• 58:30Jack Murphy?

  That's interesting. And throughout this ordeal, I'm kind of curious how your captain, how the commander and other leaders in the, amongst you, amongst the prisoners, what did they do to kind of like step up and show leadership and kind of keep morale up amongst the crew during this time?

• 58:54Jack Murphy?

  Commander Booker was the commander. He was the one that was in charge. There was the senior, senior enlisted officer in each room was in charge of the room. So for the room to create up, the non-commissioned officer, he'd get, he'd get whacked, you know. But the officers were kept in solitary confinement by themselves. Each had their own room. Commander Booker had his own room. So it was kind of one-on-one with them.

• 59:35Jack Murphy?

  But, you know, when, when we'd eat, there'd be, they'd take several rooms at a time. And we were able to converse a little bit. And if, if one of the crewmen was in contact with Commander Booker, messages were distributed that way, you know, or out on a, when we'd go outside and, you know, conversations would be what he wants or what's going on, what he knows, or this is happening, you know.

• 1:00:20Jack Murphy?

  And so he kept us informed that way. But it was, it was, and I don't recall if they ever took the guys that were in charge in individual rooms and met with him. I don't know. I don't remember if they did that or not.

• 1:00:39Jack Murphy?

  Did you ever plan for escape at any point during this?

• 1:00:43Jack Murphy?

  We did in our, in our room. There was a couple guys that was ready to go. We had the two Marines in our room and I'm sure they, they would take off at a heartbeat. But we were kind of disadvantaged being in Pyongyang and white guys in an outfit.

• 1:01:09Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:10Jack Murphy?

  We kind of stood out.

• 1:01:12Jack Murphy?

  A little bit, yeah.

• 1:01:14Jack Murphy?

  But it would have been nearly impossible. We, we started, the only thing that we could take as far as food was dried squid. And we, I don't know how many times we got there. I thought, I only remember one time. And we, we stored what we could under the floor. We found a loose board in the floor and we put whatever we could down underneath there, you know, to store it. If, if the time would come that we would try to get somebody out. But it, it would have been, it would have been pretty much impossible. There's a lot of, lot of miles to cover.

• 1:01:55Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I was going to ask, did you have any sort of sense of where this camp was actually located in North Korea? Like how far from Pyongyang, how far from the DMZ? Did you have any sense of that at the time?

• 1:02:09Jack Murphy?

  The magazines that they gave us, one of them had a monument of a flying horse. And if I remember right, out of our window, way off in the distance, we could see that monument.

• 1:02:23Jack Murphy?

  Interesting.

• 1:02:24Jack Murphy?

  So we kind of had an idea. We were in, in the city in Pyongyang and those guys, you know, that's more than me, they could figure out what direction to go, I suppose, from that. But, you know, that, that was an indicator, at least of what city we were in.

• 1:02:42Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. So yeah, it would be quite a trek to get to South Korea.

• 1:02:47Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. Unless you had somebody, you know, watching us and, of course, we had no way of knowing anybody was watching us from the, from the south. So we would have had any way of contacting anybody to, to help us in any way of getting out. So, yeah, it would have been pretty much, we would have been on our own.

• 1:03:22Jack Murphy?

  You did find out in retrospect, right, way down the line, that you write in your book that you believe the American government had some intelligence source watching you guys?

• 1:03:34Jack Murphy?

  When, when the hell week stopped, like I said, it stopped all at once. And there was no reason for them to do that. It wouldn't have surprised any of us that they would have, they would have killed several of us. And I, I've thought over the years and I've asked several of the other crewmen, you know, you think somebody was really there possibly watching over us, you know, that they knew the condition we were in? And when hell week really got to going, the word got out, you better get them out of there and get them out of there now.

• 1:04:19Jack Murphy?

  And we believed that they'd kind of hurried up things in the, in the US to get something done, get us out. And when it, when it stopped, hell week stopped, they started cleaning us up, gave us fresh clothes. That happened once before in October. And we found out afterwards that the negotiations were going pretty good and they're, they're possibly would have been released then, but that fell through if that ever was the case.

• 1:04:56Jack Murphy?

  But anyway, we were cleaned up and then we were put on buses and there's paper covering over the bus. Some guys say we were on a train and then we're on a bus. I just remember the bus ride. Because so many things are going through your mind. You're, everything's kind of normal, you know, you get through this normal routine for about eight months or so. And then 10 days come along, you're getting the crap beat out of you. And then all of a sudden it stops, your mind's in a, in a, in a daze. You just, you don't know what to expect, you don't know how to react. And so we're, we're all kind of in the, what's going on?

• 1:05:41Jack Murphy?

  Are we going to, are they dressing us up to execute us? Or are possibly going across the border? Or maybe they're moving us north further from the DMZ? You know, we didn't know. But anyway, come to find out, we, we, we ended up at 38th parallel, the bridge and overturn to be released.

• 1:06:10Jack Murphy?

  Tell us about that moment, crossing the bridge and sort of how that interaction took place.

• 1:06:18Jack Murphy?

  Well, Booker come on the bus and said, uh, when you're walking across, don't look back, don't say anything, you know, you got the rest of your crew behind you. Don't screw it up for them. And it could have, I mean, we could, one of us could have turned around, flipped the bird off and it'd shut the line.

• 1:06:36Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 1:06:36Jack Murphy?

  Us going across the bridge right there. But that didn't happen. They spaced us out, I don't know, fifteen, twenty feet apart and walked single file across the bridge. It, again, you know, I, I don't remember walking across the bridge. It just, it, it's that, your, your frame of mind is, is still in a daze.

• 1:07:04Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:05Jack Murphy?

  You just, you don't know what's going on. Yeah, you're getting released, but, uh, you're still, you still just don't know. And, and some of the guys, and this thought never crossed my mind, but some of the guys were concerned, you know, we're walking out of North Korea captivity, right back into the US government captivity because we, uh, we gave up the ship. Um, uh, and you just don't do that. The Navy.

• 1:07:35Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, they, they were afraid they'd be prosecuted.

• 1:07:37Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah. But, uh, that, that didn't happen as far as the, the crew was concerned.

• 1:07:44Jack Murphy?

  Um.

• 1:07:45Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it, uh, that, that walk, uh, of course, you, you, you get over to the other side and, and there's a photograph in my book of a lieutenant commander signing us off one at a time coming across. And maybe it hit me then, you know, hey, well, I'm released. And, uh, but still, there's just, there's still a lot ahead of you in the months to come.

• 1:08:13Jack Murphy?

  Yes.

• 1:08:14Jack Murphy?

  Rehabilitating yourself and your mind. And, um, some got through it and some didn't, you know, it's, it's, um, it's a tough transition.

• 1:08:25Jack Murphy?

  Um, what was the total amount of time that you spent in enemy hands when all is said and done?

• 1:08:35Jack Murphy?

  Eleven, eleven months.

• 1:08:36Jack Murphy?

  Wow.

• 1:08:37Jack Murphy?

  From January twenty-third to December twenty-third.

• 1:08:39Jack Murphy?

  Uh, and subsequently, what have you learned about those negotiations that led up to your release? Like, how, how did that come about and why?

• 1:08:50Jack Murphy?

  Uh, when it all, when the negotiations started, um, right after we were taken, the Navy was going to use a Navy officer to do the interrogating, or not interrogating, the, the, the communicating, the, between the North Koreans and, and I think they had, they might have had Chinese there too. I, I don't remember that. But anyway, the, the North Koreans and, and the, and the, the US government, the US military. But the, the army said, you know, you have no idea, um, how these people, um, communicate, how they

• 1:09:33Jack Murphy?

  negotiate. Uh, you, you, it, it's too much of a learning curve for you to jump in this. Uh, but they had a, an army, um, general, General Woodward, I believe is his name. Uh, he had experience with negotiating with them and knew how, how much of a pain in the ass they were. Uh, so it was decided to use him. Well, when it come down to, you know, all year long, um, the North Koreans, they may come to, come to the, uh, table and, uh, just get up and walk out. Uh, or might, might not even show up for us scheduled.

• 1:10:15Jack Murphy?

  Uh, they're very unpredictable. Uh, but when it come right down to, um, um, the final thing, the, the hardest thing for the US to admit was we, we were in their waters. That was a, that was a big, that was the big step. And, um, from what I understand and from the books that I have read about the incident, there was a wife of one of the, uh, generals on, uh, said, well, why don't you just, uh, do a public appearance and say you're, you'll be signing this confession, um, to release the crew and to release the

• 1:10:55Jack Murphy?

  crew only. And then go ahead and sign a confession, you know, so. And so that's what they did. They presented that, uh, they did a, uh, interview from, from what I understand and said, you know, this is to release the crew. And they signed it. And in North Korea, they, they bought off on it. And that's, that's how it took place.

• 1:11:17Jack Murphy?

  It's interesting. And then what was the journey back home like for you from the moment you crossed the bridge to being fully repatriated?

• 1:11:27Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, that's, that's, again, that's getting your mind, uh, focused on, um, getting back to life. Uh, when we got back to San Diego, uh, we were treated like heroes. Of course, your, your Vietnam vets, they, they got, it, it's sad what they, they were put through when they got them back. We weren't. We, we, San Diego just opened up their arms for us. Um, so you're, you're, you're treated as heroes. Um, and I never really considered

• 1:12:10Jack Murphy?

  myself a hero. I, you know, I just doing the job and, and, uh, so it, it's, um, there's, there's that part out there. And then now you're going home and it starts all over again. I come from a small hometown, or a small town in Kansas. And, um, again, you're, you're treated like a hero. Uh, that's gotta stop someday.

• 1:12:38Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 1:12:39Jack Murphy?

  And then, uh, then what do you do? Uh, well, I, I had decided, you know, that I'm going to get home, get my life started, uh, get trained a, a job I wanted to get trained for and go to work and, um, go from there, you know? And that's kind of what I did. Uh, so, but still, your mind, uh, you, you can't, you can't forget all those times, you know, from, from a year before, um, in sixty-eight and, and then the, the release

• 1:13:21Jack Murphy?

  and, and, uh, uh, coming back home and, and getting the treatment you got there. And, and it's, uh, um, it, it's hard to cope. It, it, it really is. Unless, unless you really try. And, uh, it, it's tough. And some guys can, some guys can't.

• 1:13:44Jack Murphy?

  In, in your book, there was one really, um, poignant moment where you're at the family dinner table and you kind of, you and your father excuse yourselves, um, because you don't want to talk in front of your mother about what happened in North Korea. And you have that conversation with your dad about what you endured. And, uh, as I recall, I mean, he cried. And then, and then you guys never talked about it again.

• 1:14:11Jack Murphy?

  No, we didn't. Um, you know, um, nobody really talked to me about, a, a lot of the guys I've worked with, uh, people in my small town I was from. Um, of course, they knew what I'd been through, uh, as far as being on the Pueblo and being in captivity for, for eleven months. But they never really knew exactly what I went through. And, and I never really told anybody, you know? Uh, my frame of mind was nobody believed what I went through anyway. So, uh, but nobody asked me, you know? So I just went on. Uh,

• 1:14:52Jack Murphy?

  but dad was the same way, you know? I, I wanted to let him know exactly what happened, you know? And, and, uh, it hit him hard. And, and I just left it up to him to tell mom. And, uh, cause they went through hell too.

• 1:15:09Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:10Jack Murphy?

  They're, they're really good.

• 1:15:12Jack Murphy?

  You were also, um, like, pretty thoroughly debriefed by the National Security Agency, right? Because the Pueblo was on a National Security Agency mission?

• 1:15:24Jack Murphy?

  Right.

• 1:15:25Jack Murphy?

  What, what was that debriefing like?

• 1:15:30Jack Murphy?

  Well, it was, you know, for me, not being associated with any of that

• 1:15:39Jack Murphy?

  work as far as the CTs were concerned. They were more concerned with the what was destroyed, especially out of the safe I was emptying. And they were concerned about one piece of equipment. And I don't even remember how he described it, but I told him I did not see it in the safe.

• 1:16:02Jack Murphy?

  Oh, it's the encryption equipment.

• 1:16:04Jack Murphy?

  If it was destroyed, we didn't destroy it. Somebody else come along and pulled it out of the safe and destroyed it. But it had to do with something with the decoding.

• 1:16:17Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:17Jack Murphy?

  So, but most everything in there was just classified documents, top secret documents.

• 1:16:25Jack Murphy?

  And so after that kind of like return home, I mean, you decided to get out of the Navy, right?

• 1:16:33Jack Murphy?

  Yes.

• 1:16:34Jack Murphy?

  And?

• 1:16:35Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I, I, I wanted to be an electrician, so, but I needed to be trained.

• 1:16:46Jack Murphy?

  I was E3 when we were seized, they gave me E4 when I got back.

• 1:16:52Jack Murphy?

  Then about the time I was getting ready to leave your separate ways, they said, we'll give you E5 if you pass the test within a year. Well, I put in for a school, you know, to be an electrician's mate. And I got to thinking, you know, here I'm an E5 going to a school that start training guys right out of boot camp. And they probably knew more about electricity than I did. And I thought, yeah, I'm gonna see if I can get a medical discharge. That's what I did. I talked to our corpsman and said, you think I have a chance to get the medical discharge? You don't have any problem at all. So, nobody brought to my attention, you know, you can get a medical discharge if you want to. So,

• 1:17:37Jack Murphy?

  that's the route I took. So, I retired military as an E5 electrician's mate and never, never did a bit electrical work.

• 1:17:49Jack Murphy?

  Well, what did you do after the Navy?

• 1:17:52Jack Murphy?

  I went to trade school, took electricity, went to Union apprenticeship school for four years, become an electrician, and electrician for 13 years. And the construction industry kind of fell apart. So, I went to work for the Army Co- engineers as an electrical inspector. And that's where I retired.

• 1:18:13Jack Murphy?

  Wow. And throughout your life, I mean, I, I imagine because you wrote this book, I mean, it sounds like you're trying to move on with your life. But at the same time, this like pivotal moment in your life is something that you can't just brush aside and forget about. Is that why you wrote the book?

• 1:18:33Jack Murphy?

  I wrote the book, I started, I'll call it a book when I started, because a friend of mine, years ago, he said, you need to write a book. And I said, no, because, you know, my, my part of the pueblo is very small. That, that don't fill a book. I mean, it's just, just a very small portion. But a biography of my life for my family, that's different. And so that's how I started it. And I had some over 300 pages written up, you know,

• 1:19:11Jack Murphy?

  from when I was a small kid, up to the point where I was, well, still writing, basically. And then a friend of mine had started a book of different veterans in the Kansas City area, telling their stories, you know. And he asked me to tell my story. So, I did. And, and he said, you need to write a book. And so that got me kind of off a dead center. And I looked into a publisher and a storyteller publishers. And so that's kind of where the

• 1:19:53Jack Murphy?

  book part started. And then that was kind of about a two-year process on that. And because I'm a terrible writer, I'm, my, my punctuation and, and I, I just don't write very well. But the story was there. I just needed somebody to kind of make it understandable, I guess.

• 1:20:17Jack Murphy?

  Well, I mean, the book did come out really well. I read it on my Kindle for folks that want to find it on there. Or it's a hard copy is available also. But I mean, it came out great. I think it was a really interesting book.

• 1:20:31Jack Murphy?

  Well, I, you know, I wanted mainly to get across what the crew went through. And of course, what I went through too. But I have people that'll see my purple hard hat I wear, and, how far are you wounded? And where'd you serve? You know, I said, pueblo, I've never heard of it. And that kind of upsets me. You know, there's, there's more that, more people that have never heard of it than there are that have. And of course, the people that have heard of it, they know it well. They lived it back then. But I, I,

• 1:21:15Jack Murphy?

  there, there's several guys on the, on the crew that wrote books. And, but that's been several years ago. And then there were several, like I said, when the documents were declassified in Washington, then several other books were written, and some very good books. But there hasn't been one written for a good many years. So, well, there's time to do it. And so far, it's doing okay, I guess.

• 1:21:48Jack Murphy?

  And the title Pig Fat Soup is because that's primarily what they were feeding you in the camp?

• 1:21:54Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Yeah. When I first meals, I recall that there was this white chunk of something floating in this oil slick and watered down cabbage soup and, and rice. They gave us rice about every meal. And, and it had something prickly sticking out of the top of it, just snow white in color. And, and I had no idea what it was. And from Kansas, we never seen anything like that. And, well, it turned out to be pig fat with the hair still on

• 1:22:36Jack Murphy?

  the, on it. And, and of course, there wasn't a bit of meat on it. They cut all the meat off. I don't ever remember eating any, eating that. Some of the crew may have, but I never did.

• 1:22:51Jack Murphy?

  Delicious.

• 1:22:52Jack Murphy?

  And we, like I said, we had rice every meal. And they'd feed us fish, which we saw the fish being dried down below our window outside, like on clotheslines. And when it was dried, it wasn't too bad, you know. But when it reached its expiration date, it wasn't edible. And we, we called it sewer trap because it was so bad. But, yeah, I lost 55 pounds. I was a little overweight anyway. But the only guys that didn't lose

• 1:23:33Jack Murphy?

  weight was guys who were really, really skinny. But everybody lost a lot of weight.

• 1:23:39Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:40Jack Murphy?

  Just not much nutrition in what they fed us.

• 1:23:44Jack Murphy?

  And you mentioned, you've been retired after being an electrical safety inspector. What are you, what are you up to nowadays? Do you do like speaking engagements, talking about?

• 1:23:56Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I've been speaking for past several years, even before the book was, was written. And, but I, I, I try to play some golf. I use that golf word loosely because I'm not that good. But I really enjoy playing. And I do woodworking. I make military plaques. And I do some scrolling, scrolling work for the church. And so that's kept me busy over the years. And I've been fortunate enough to, I, I've looked into these nonprofit organizations

• 1:24:40Jack Murphy?

  that provide hunting and fishing events for veterans. And, and I encourage anybody that likes to hunt or fish, look into these nonprofit organizations because they, they really treat the vets.

• 1:24:58Jack Murphy?

  Really spoil you on a hunting trip or fishing trip. Some of them you, you might have to pay your, your way to get there, you know, or drive yourself, but once you get there, everything's taken care of. The guides are paid for, the lodging's paid for, the food's paid for. And they just give you the, the best treatment in the world. So that's, I've done that over the past years and been on some spectacular hunts. And from Western Kansas to Red Stag Hunt in Canada to fishing trips. Just got back from Lake Michigan and fishing for, for King Salmon and Coho and Steelhead.

• 1:25:41Jack Murphy?

  And just absolutely wonderful. And that, that was, that was the nonprofit organization of Foundation for Exceptional Warriors. They're just, they've, they've really been good to me. And also the Wounded Warrior in Action Foundation, they're, they're another outfit that provides hunting and fishing events for veterans.

• 1:26:10Jack Murphy?

  That's really cool.

• 1:26:12Jack Murphy?

  It is.

• 1:26:13Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I'm glad you bring some attention to that. I hope people go and look into it.

• 1:26:19Jack Murphy?

  They should. Like I said, if you like to hunt, you'd like to fish, whether you're, you're, you have mobility issues, they can help you with that. They'll get you to the hunt. They'll, they'll, they'll get you on the boat. They'll get you, whatever you need, they'll, they'll take care of you.

• 1:26:41Jack Murphy?

  And speaking of which, can you tell us about the painting behind you?

• 1:26:48Jack Murphy?

  Oh, the painting? That painting is done by an artist out in San Diego, Richard Rossi. He's been painting the pueblo pictures for many, many years. And this is one of the first ones he did. It really shows what we were up against. The, the number of ships and the identifications on the ships, the numbers, the, the numbers on the MiGs, that's all authentic to what it was. The types of ships. And like I said, we were, we were surrounded, we were being fired on from all sides.

• 1:27:33Jack Murphy?

  It, it just, you take one look at that and you, wow.

• 1:27:37Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah, it's incredible.

• 1:27:39Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. And the, the, the painting or the, the cover of the book, I, I was going to use the, the painting that's behind me, but that was used in another book just prior to, to me coming out with mine. But the, the artist, he said, I'll paint you one for your book, before your book. And I said, well, let's do a different angle on it. Let's do it from the aft, you know, and show the name of the pueblo on it. Well, I guess the one in the back is, is that one.

• 1:28:23Jack Murphy?

  I'm sorry, I've got two. This is the one that's on the, the cover of my book.

• 1:28:28Jack Murphy?

  Gotcha, I was gonna say.

• 1:28:29Jack Murphy?

  In the background, it's from the back of the ship. And it, I'm, I'm covering up the name of the ship on the, on the bottom of it. But it just gives a different perspective of, of, of how it was. But he, he's been a great artist. He goes in a great detail and what, what, what the ships looked like and how it really was.

• 1:28:58Jack Murphy?

  Stephen, thank you so much for telling us your story and this ordeal you and your shipmates went through. Before we wrap up, is there anything else you'd like to mention that we didn't get to in this interview?

• 1:29:10Jack Murphy?

  I don't think so. I just really appreciate the opportunity to, to, to come on this podcast and, and tell the story. You know, I'm, I'm, it, it's getting harder and harder for me to, to talk and think of words to say and try to explain things the way they should be, should be explained. But I do, do try my best.

• 1:29:38Jack Murphy?

  No, no, you did great, Stephen. Thank you.

• 1:29:40Jack Murphy?

  It does get harder the older you get.

• 1:29:44Jack Murphy?

  And I hope people will go and check out the book, Pig Fat Soup by Stephen Woelk. And it's available now. You can go find it on Amazon or wherever you go to find books. We'll have some links down in the description to this podcast also. So.

• 1:29:58Jack Murphy?

  One thing I do ask, if, if, if somebody already has the book or, or does go online to get it, please leave a review on Amazon. They'll take any, any review, but please leave a review on there.

• 1:30:12Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it helps.

• 1:30:13Jack Murphy?

  Really helps to me to know what direction I need to go. And thank you.

• 1:30:20Jack Murphy?

  Absolutely. So thank you, everyone who joined us tonight and we'll see you next time.

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• 1:32:58Jack Murphy?

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• 1:33:30Jack Murphy?

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  Ready to feel energized and in control again? At Orderly Meds, we have helped thousands just like you take charge of their health with a GLP-1. If you've tried dieting, exercising, and relying on willpower, and nothing seems to stick, then it might be time to talk to a licensed provider about your options. That's what Orderly Meds is for. This fall, choose healthier habits for yourself with a visit to OrderlyMeds.com. You don't need to visit with a physician in person to become eligible. Orderly Meds has a simple virtual process. Connect with licensed medical professionals who can determine whether a GLP-1 treatment may be appropriate for you wherever you are. Getting started from the comfort of home, online. Change your habits and consider a new approach to feeling your best. Visit OrderlyMeds.com to learn more.

• 1:40:14Speaker 00

  That's OrderlyMeds.com. OrderlyMeds.com. Gain confidence and choose better habits this fall. Compounded medications are not FDA-approved. Eligibility required and determined by a licensed provider. Individual results may vary. See website for details.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Right now, you can save 60% on SimpliSafe home security. Because what a break-in really costs isn't your home or your valuables, it's the feeling that your home stopped being safe. That's why SimpliSafe doesn't wait for danger to reach your family. We help stop it before it gets close with not just one, but three layers of protection. One, preventing threats outside with smart AI cameras and live US-based agents who intervene to deter intruders before they break in. Two, sounding the alarm at points of entry. And three, agents requesting emergency response when needed. Three layers, all working together to keep your loved ones safe. Plus, you control your privacy and recordings, and with a 60-day money-back guarantee, you can try us risk-free. Monitoring and deterrence plans start around $1 a day.

• 1:41:14Speaker 01

  Order today to get 60% off a new system with professional monitoring. Save now at simplisafe.com/iheartradio. SimpliSafe: Ahead of Crime in Real Time. Outdoor deterrence plans start at $49.99 a month. Visit simplisafe.com/licenses for alarm license information.

• 1:41:30Speaker 00

  Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 1:42:06Speaker 06

  Hey, y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa, and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalfe, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says, and helping make sense of it all. Get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like, how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 1:42:35Speaker 01

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it, and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself, and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together, and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 1:43:00Speaker 06

  Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 1:43:14Speaker 05

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real, physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door, or sell it back instantly at full market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  Looking for a new way to take control of your health? If diet, exercise, and willpower alone haven't gotten you where you want to be, visit OrderlyMeds.com to learn about GLP-1 treatment options. With a convenient virtual process, you can connect with licensed medical providers from home and see if treatment may be appropriate for you. Visit OrderlyMeds.com today. That's OrderlyMeds.com. Compounded medications are not FDA-approved. Eligibility determined by a licensed provider. Individual results may vary. See website for details. Right now, you can save 60% on SimpliSafe home security. Traditional security systems only alert you after a break-in has already happened, and that's too late. SimpliSafe is changing that.

• 1:44:28Speaker 02

  Stop. This is SimpliSafe. You're being monitored and recorded. I'm requesting police dispatch.

• 1:44:33Speaker 01

  Using the Outdoor Camera Series 2 and Advanced AI Alerts, our live US-based agents identify potential threats on your property and help deter them. So the intruder never gets into your house. The break-in never happens. Because we don't just alert, we stop crime before it starts. SimpliSafe monitoring and deterrence plans start around $1 a day with no long-term contracts. Order today to get 60% off a new system with professional monitoring. Save now at simplisafe.com/iheartradio. SimpliSafe: Ahead of Crime in Real Time. Outdoor deterrence plans start at $49.99 a month. Visit simplisafe.com/licenses for alarm license information.

• 1:45:14Speaker 00

  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 help make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star TrustPilot reviews...

• 1:45:31Speaker 06

  OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 1:45:49Speaker 06

  Hey, y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa, and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. Another thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested. I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it, and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself. And it isn't, it's not a judgment thing.

• 1:46:33Speaker 06

  It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together, and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together. Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 1:46:57Speaker 05

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real, physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door or sell it back instantly at full market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

• 1:47:28Speaker 01

  Ready to feel energized and in control again? At Orderly Meds, we have helped thousands just like you take charge of their health with a GLP-1. If you've tried dieting, exercising, and relying on willpower and nothing seems to stick, then it might be time to talk to a licensed provider about your options. That's what Orderly Meds is for. This fall, choose healthier habits for yourself with a visit to orderlymeds.com. You don't need to visit with a physician in person to become eligible. Orderly Meds has a simple, virtual process. Connect with licensed medical professionals who can determine whether a GLP-1 treatment may be appropriate for you wherever you are. Get started from the comfort of home online. Change your habits and consider a new approach to feeling your best. Visit orderlymeds.com to learn more.

• 1:48:13Speaker 01

  That's orderlymeds.com. Orderlymeds.com. Gain confidence and choose better habits this fall. Compounded medications are not FDA approved. Eligibility required and determined by a licensed provider. Individual results may vary. See website for details. Right now, you can save 60% on SimpliSafe home security. Traditional security systems only alert you after a break-in has already happened, and that's too late. SimpliSafe is changing that. Stop, this is SimpliSafe. You're being monitored and recorded. I'm requesting police dispatch. Using the Outdoor Camera Series 2 and Advanced AI Alerts, our live US-based agents identify potential threats on your property and help deter them. So the intruder never gets into your house.

• 1:48:58Speaker 01

  The break-in never happens. Because we don't just alert, we stop crime before it starts. SimpliSafe monitoring and deterrence plans start around $1 a day with no long-term contracts. Order today to get 60% off a new system with professional monitoring. Save now at simplisafe.com/iHeartRadio. SimpliSafe, ahead of crime in real time. Outdoor deterrence plans start at $49.99 a month. Visit simplisafe.com/licenses for alarm license information. OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star TrustPilot reviews,

• 1:49:43Speaker 01

  OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 1:50:00Speaker 06

  Hey, y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa, and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all, get into it. Another thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested. I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it, and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself. And it isn't, it's not a judgment thing.

• 1:50:44Speaker 06

  It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together, and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together. Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 1:51:08Speaker 05

  Games on a break? Instead of doom scrolling, try rips on Underdog. Rip real player cards worth real money right there in the app. It's instant cash in the palm of your hand. Buy a digital pack, rip it open on your phone, and reveal a real, physical card. Football, basketball, Pokemon. Yes, Pokemon, and more. The best part? Packs start at just $5. And if you pull something you don't want to let go of just yet, have it shipped straight to your door. Want the cash? Sell it back instantly at 100% of its fair market value. No listing, no negotiating, no stranger asking if you'll trade it for a used jet ski, even though jet skis are super sick. Best part? There are some serious grails in the mix with maximum card values reaching up to $125,000

• 1:51:53Speaker 05

  depending on your pack tier. You can also check the live odds and see what you could pull before you rip and what other cards are being pulled by fans. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Get five free rips packs when you deposit $5. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare. Ready to feel energized and in control again? At Orderly Meds, we have helped thousands just like you take charge of their health with a GLP-1. If you've tried dieting, exercising, and relying on willpower and nothing seems to stick, then it might be time to talk to a licensed provider about your options. That's what Orderly Meds is for. This fall, choose healthier habits for yourself with a visit to orderlymeds.com.

• 1:52:37Speaker 05

  You don't need to visit with a physician in person to become eligible. Orderly Meds has a simple, virtual process.

• 1:52:43Speaker 01

  Connect with licensed medical professionals who can determine whether a GLP-1 treatment may be appropriate for you wherever you are. Getting started from the comfort of home online. Change your habits and consider a new approach to feeling your best. Visit orderlymeds.com to learn more. That's orderlymeds.com. Orderlymeds.com. Gain confidence and choose better habits this fall. Compounded medications are not FDA approved. Eligibility required and determined by a licensed provider. Individual results may vary. See website for details.

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  Right now, you can save 60% on SimpliSafe home security. Because what a break-in really costs isn't your home or your valuables. It's the feeling that your home stopped being safe. That's why SimpliSafe doesn't wait for danger to reach your family. We help stop it before it gets close with not just one, but three layers of protection. One, preventing threats outside with smart AI cameras and live US-based agents who intervene to deter intruders before they break in. Two, sounding the alarm at points of entry. And three, agents requesting emergency response when needed. Three layers, all working together to keep your loved ones safe. Plus, you control your privacy and recordings. And with the 60-day money-back guarantee, you can try us risk-free. Monitoring and deterrence plans start around $1 a day.

• 1:53:58Speaker 01

  Order today to get 60% off a new system with professional monitoring. Save now at simplisafe.com/iHeartRadio. SimpliSafe, ahead of crime in real time. Outdoor deterrence plans start at $49.99 a month. Visit simplisafe.com/licenses for alarm license information. OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 help make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star

• 1:54:30Speaker 00

  Trust Pilot Reviews. OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 1:54:51Speaker 06

  Hey, y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa, and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all. Get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 1:55:20Speaker 01

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it, and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself. And it isn't something, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together, and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 1:55:45Speaker 06

  Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio, on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 1:55:59Speaker 05

  Game's on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try rips on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real, physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door or sell it back instantly at full market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare. Ready to feel energized and in control again? At Orderly Meds, we have helped thousands just like you take charge of their health with a GLP-1. If you've tried dieting, exercising, and relying on willpower and nothing seems to stick,

• 1:56:42Speaker 05

  then it might be time to talk to a licensed provider about your options. That's what Orderly Meds is for. This fall, choose healthier habits for yourself with a visit to orderlymeds.com. You don't need to visit with a physician in person to become eligible. Orderly Meds has a simple virtual process. Connect with licensed medical professionals who can determine whether a GLP-1 treatment may be appropriate for you wherever you are. Get started from the comfort of home online. Change your habits and consider a new approach to feeling your best. Visit orderlymeds.com to learn more. That's orderlymeds.com. Orderlymeds.com. Gain confidence and choose better habits this fall. Compounded medications are not FDA-approved. Eligibility required and determined by a licensed provider. Individual results may vary.

• 1:57:27Speaker 05

  See website for details.

• 1:57:29Speaker 01

  Right now, you can save 60% on SimpliSafe home security. Traditional security systems only alert you after a break-in has already happened, and that's too late. SimpliSafe is changing that. Stop, this is SimpliSafe. You're being monitored and recorded. I'm requesting police dispatch. Using the Outdoor Camera Series 2 and Advanced AI Alerts, our live US-based agents identify potential threats on your property and help deter them. So the intruder never gets into your house. The break-in never happens. Because we don't just alert, we stop crime before it starts. SimpliSafe monitoring and deterrence plans start around $1 a day with no long-term contracts.

• 1:58:12Speaker 01

  Order today to get 60% off a new system with professional monitoring. Save now at simplisafe.com/iheartradio. SimpliSafe, ahead of crime in real time. Outdoor deterrence plans start at $49.99 a month. Visit simplisafe.com/licenses for alarm license information.

• 1:58:30Speaker 00

  OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 help make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star Trust Pilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 1:59:06Speaker 06

  Hey, y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa, and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all. Get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested.

• 1:59:35Speaker 01

  I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it, and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself. And it isn't something, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together, and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together.

• 2:00:00Speaker 06

  Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 2:00:13Speaker 05

  Underdog already has team picks, player props, money lines, spreads. You name it, they got it. But apparently, somebody over there said, "You know what's missing? Screaming like a maniac about a rookie card on your couch." And we love them for that. Because Underdog now has rips. You get a digital pack starting at just $5. You check the live odds, see which grails you could pull, then rip it open to reveal a real, physical card. And the grails are no joke. They have cards up to $125,000 in value and plenty to pull. From football and basketball to Pokemon, with new limited edition packs dropping regularly. Even cooler, you can decide to keep the card, and Underdog will ship it straight to your home or sell it back instantly at 100% of its fair market value.

• 2:00:57Speaker 05

  And the cash goes right in your account. No listing it online, no stranger lowballing you in the messages. Just rip, reveal, and cash out instantly. Or make some room on your shelf. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Get five free rips packs when you deposit $5. Real rips, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18+, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

• 2:01:22Speaker 00

  Ready to feel more energized and in control of your health? If you've tried dieting and exercise but still aren't seeing the results you're looking for, it may be time to explore a different approach. At orderlymeds.com, you can connect with licensed medical providers through a simple virtual process, all from the comfort of home, and find out if a GLP-1 treatment may be right for you. Learn more at orderlymeds.com. That's orderlymeds.com. Compounded medications are not FDA-approved. Eligibility determined by a licensed provider. Individual results may vary. See website for details.

• 2:01:52Speaker 01

  Right now, you can save 60% on SimpliSafe home security. Because what a break-in really costs isn't your home or your valuables, it's the feeling that your home stopped being safe. That's why SimpliSafe doesn't wait for danger to reach your family. We help stop it before it gets close with not just one, but three layers of protection. One, preventing threats outside with smart AI cameras and live US-based agents who intervene to deter intruders before they break in. Two, sounding the alarm at points of entry. And three, agents requesting emergency response when needed. Three layers, all working together to keep your loved ones safe. Plus, you control your privacy and recordings. And with a 60-day money-back guarantee, you can try us risk-free. Monitoring and deterrence plans start around $1 a day.

• 2:02:36Speaker 01

  Order today to get 60% off a new system with professional monitoring. Save now at simplisafe.com/iheartradio. SimpliSafe, ahead of crime in real time. Outdoor deterrence plans start at $49.99 a month. Visit simplisafe.com/licenses for alarm license information. OnDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, OnDeck's loans up to $400,000 make it happen fast. Rated A+ by the Better Business Bureau and earning thousands of 5-star Trust Pilot reviews, OnDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at ondeck.com. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 2:03:25Speaker 06

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all. Get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested. I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves. But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing.

• 2:04:09Speaker 06

  It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together. Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 2:04:31Speaker 05

  Underdog already has team picks, player props, money lines, spreads, you name it, they got it. But apparently somebody over there said, you know what's missing? Screaming like a maniac about a rookie card on your couch. And we love them for that. Because Underdog now has RIPS. You get a digital pack starting at just five bucks. You check the live odds, see which grails you could pull, then rip it open to reveal a real physical card. And the grails are no joke. They have cards up to $125,000 in value and plenty to pull. From football and basketball to Pokemon, with new limited edition packs dropping regularly. Even cooler, you can decide to keep the card and Underdog will ship it straight to your

• 2:05:13Speaker 05

  home or sell it back instantly at 100% of its fair market value. And the cash goes right in your account. No listing it online, no stranger low balling you in the messages. Just rip, reveal, and cash out instantly. Or make some room on your shelf. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Get five free RIPS packs when you deposit $5. Real RIPS, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18 plus, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

• 2:05:41Speaker 01

  Looking for a new way to take control of your health? If diet, exercise, and willpower alone haven't gotten you where you want to be, visit orderlymeds.com to learn about GLP-1 treatment options. With a convenient virtual process, you can connect with licensed medical providers from home and see if treatment may be appropriate for you. Visit orderlymeds.com today. That's orderlymeds.com. Compounded medications are not FDA approved. Eligibility determined by a licensed provider. Individual results may vary. See website for details. Right now, you can save 60% on Simply Safe home security. Because what a break in really costs isn't your home or your valuables. It's the feeling that your home stopped being safe. That's why Simply Safe doesn't wait for danger to reach your family.

• 2:06:25Speaker 01

  We help stop it before it gets close with not just one, but three layers of protection. One, preventing threats outside with smart AI cameras and live US-based agents who intervene to deter intruders before they break in. Two, sounding the alarm at points of entry. And three, agents requesting emergency response when needed. Three layers, all working together to keep your loved ones safe. Plus, you control your privacy and recordings. And with the 60-day money-back guarantee, you can try us risk-free. Monitoring a deterrence plan starts around $1 a day. Order today to get 60% off a new system with professional monitoring. Save now at simplysafe.com/iheartradio. Simply Safe, ahead of crime in real time. Outdoor deterrence plans start at $49.99 a month.

• 2:07:08Speaker 01

  Visit simplysafe.com/licenses for alarm license information. Cash flow crunch? OnDeck's small business line of credit gives your business immediate access to funds up to $200,000 right when you need it. Cover seasonal dips, manage payroll, restock inventory, or tackle unexpected expenses without missing a beat. With flexible draws, transparent pricing, and control over repayment, get funded quickly and confidently. Apply today at ondeck.com. Funds could be available as soon as tomorrow. Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by OnDeck or Celtic Bank. OnDeck does not lend in North Dakota. All loans and amounts subject to lender approval.

• 2:07:42Speaker 06

  Hey y'all, it's Lauren LaRosa and y'all know I always have the latest. So on my new audio series, Love Lately, I'm getting into the conversations we're really having about love, relationships, and our sexual health. Every week, it's me and Dr. Contessa Metcalf, my big sister with a medical degree, breaking down what the culture says versus what the doctor says and helping make sense of it all. Get into it. You know, the thing me and my friends don't really talk about is like how you're having conversations with people about getting tested. I'll be honest, so many women don't feel comfortable talking about it and they don't feel comfortable advocating for themselves.

• 2:08:24Speaker 06

  But let's go ahead and just put you in a position to where you can kind of empower yourself and it isn't, it's not a judgment thing. It brings that peace of mind that y'all can just do what y'all do and have a good time. Yeah. I say get tested together and that's beautiful. Brings you closer together. Listen to Love Lately with Lauren LaRosa from iHeart's Ruby Studio on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Brought to you by Gilead Sciences.

• 2:08:54Speaker 05

  Games on a break? Don't doom scroll. Try RIPS on Underdog. Buy a digital pack, rip it open, and reveal a real physical card. Football, basketball, even Pokemon. Packs start at just $5. Ship it straight to your door or sell it back instantly at full market value. Max value up to $125,000. Download Underdog and get in on the chase. Deposit $5, get five free packs. Real RIPS, real cards, real cash. Only on Underdog. Unleash your dog. 18 plus, terms apply. Top grails are extremely rare.

• 2:09:26Speaker 01

  Ready to feel energized and in control again? At Orderly Meds, we have helped thousands just like you take charge of their health with a GLP-1. If you've tried dieting, exercising, and relying on willpower and nothing seems to stick, then it might be time to talk to a licensed provider about your options. That's what Orderly Meds is for. This fall, choose healthier habits for yourself with a visit to orderlymeds.com. You don't need to visit with a physician in person to become eligible. Orderly Meds has a simple, virtual process. Connect with licensed medical professionals who can determine whether a GLP-1 treatment may be appropriate for you wherever you are. Get started from the comfort of home online. Change your habits and consider a new approach to feeling your best.

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