Ep. 626: Our Girls Are Here To Kick Your Ass

Steven Rinella https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork talks with Rosie, Aina, Mable, Haddie, and Janis Putelis. Topics discussed: Youth hunting; how to keep your spot a secret; killing a big buck on your first ever hunt; and more. Outro song "Bull Mountain Blues" by Evan Fogle Connect with Steve https://www.themeateater.com/authors/steven-rinella and The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Steve on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/stevenrinella and Twitter https://twitter.com/stevenrinella?lang=en MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and Youtube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:43Steven Rinella?

  Joined today by big time mule deer hunters Ina, Mabel, Hattie, and Rosemary. Welcome, girls.

• 1:51Speaker 05

  Hi. Hi. Hi.

• 1:53Steven Rinella?

  You guys mind hitting everybody? You guys are still the age where people always ask you. Do people always ask you how old you guys are, Ina?

• 1:59Speaker 05

  Sometimes.

• 2:00Steven Rinella?

  It's pretty common. I met a kid last night. I asked him what grade he was in. Then he kind of laughed about it. And I said, "Yeah, I don't actually care what grade you're in." I was just trying to make small talk. What grade are you in?

• 2:10Speaker 05

  Eighth grade.

• 2:11Steven Rinella?

  Good. Mabel?

• 2:12Speaker 05

  Uh, fifth grade.

• 2:13Steven Rinella?

  Good. Hattie?

• 2:15Speaker 05

  Seventh grade.

• 2:16Steven Rinella?

  All right. Rosie?

• 2:18Speaker 05

  Sixth grade. You should know that.

• 2:20Steven Rinella?

  I know what, like, I know that you're in the middle school.

• 2:27Steven Rinella?

  Which when I was growing up, it was junior high, but here abouts is middle school. You guys have all been hunting. Mabel's your first year hunting. In the state, in your state that you live in, you need to be how old to start hunting?

• 2:39Speaker 05

  Um, 10.

• 2:41Steven Rinella?

  How old are you?

• 2:42Speaker 05

  10.

• 2:43Steven Rinella?

  Okay. And then you can hunt, how many years in Montana with your parents, with your dad? Before you need to go do hunter's safety? It's a quiz show, Mabel.

• 2:54Speaker 05

  I have no idea. Like 13?

• 2:58Steven Rinella?

  No, you can't hunt 13 years with your dad.

• 3:02Speaker 05

  12?

• 3:03Speaker 06

  You can hunt two years as a mentor, as a mentee.

• 3:06Speaker 05

  So, this is my last year or next year?

• 3:09Steven Rinella?

  It's your first year.

• 3:10Speaker 05

  Okay. But I hunt squirrels with you.

• 3:14Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, this is where it gets complicated.

• 3:18Speaker 06

  Very good point, very good point. Yeah, you don't need, in Montana, you don't need a hunting license or be any sort of age to hunt squirrels, rabbits, what else? Coyotes?

• 3:29Steven Rinella?

  Any non-game animal.

• 3:31Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 3:31Steven Rinella?

  Yep. So you can hunt in our state, and every state's different.

• 3:37Steven Rinella?

  In our state, you can begin hunting at 10. For game animals, like let's say deer, you can begin hunting deer at 10.

• 3:46Steven Rinella?

  You can also hunt for two years with a mentor. Before you have to take hunter's safety. You just happened to start your mentored hunting at the age of 10, but let's say you never hunted till you were 12. You could still do two years with a mentor before you had to do hunter's safety, but since you kids all started at the bottom end of the age bracket. You can hunt two years with your dad, and then you gotta do hunter's safety.

• 4:13Speaker 05

  So we'd have to do it one more 12.

• 4:15Steven Rinella?

  You'll have, yep, and, and, uh, Ina, you've done hunter's safety. How'd that go? It was pretty good. It took a while.

• 4:23Speaker 07

  But I got through it.

• 4:24Steven Rinella?

  You cheated the system a little bit. Can you explain that to people?

• 4:30Speaker 06

  She doesn't look at it that way.

• 4:31Steven Rinella?

  Explain how you, I look at it like you cheated the system. But I, I, she's gonna, Rosie's gonna cheat the system.

• 4:37Speaker 05

  I am. Really?

• 4:38Speaker 06

  She, he just, he just wants to know how you, how you did it without doing a field day, I think.

• 4:44Speaker 07

  There's virtual field days where you go around and they like show you a video of how it would work and then you say like, oh, this is wrong. And there's no really, you're right or

• 4:53Steven Rinella?

  It's a virtual field day.

• 4:54Speaker 07

  Yeah. So you don't really get quizz in that part. It's just kinda like a, you pick an answer. You don't have to. And there's video that says if you're right or wrong, but some people probably don't care about that and just skip through the entire thing. Cause there's like three seconds on all the videos that are like five minutes long.

• 5:08Steven Rinella?

  Uh, I don't know if you do, do you think you'd be able to skip it all and still pass?

• 5:12Speaker 07

  Um, no.

• 5:14Speaker 06

  We, we heard a firsthand story.

• 5:16Steven Rinella?

  Did you hear my story?

• 5:17Speaker 06

  Of my buddy, uh, another buddy, Steven, whose daughter was just watching funny cat videos as the, cause you know how they put the little timer on there, right? So you can't just click all the way through. And then she went to take the test and she failed. She had to do the whole thing again.

• 5:31Steven Rinella?

  My boy.

• 5:32Speaker 05

  Funny cat videos.

• 5:33Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you guys.

• 5:34Speaker 06

  Gotta love those.

• 5:36Steven Rinella?

  You guys, you guys know, you guys know, uh, of course, you know, in hunt with James, when James had to do hunters, when he had to do his archery certificate. Okay. Uh, he did a hunter safety where you go do the actual, not virtual field day, but the actual field day. He needs to go get his archery certificate. And he comes in and it's all online and he comes in and tells me that he failed the archery certification thing by like a point. And I'm livid. So I sit down with him and do it and me and him fail.

• 6:08Steven Rinella?

  And I'm like, maybe we really have to go look at the stuff because what they, it's so poorly written. That it's like, it's has stuff like, what is a piece of archery equipment you can do without? Stabilizer, finger tabs. It was, you know? And you're like, well, that's so subjective. It was like, what's the best cookie? You know? They're like, nope, wrong. And, uh, um, a question about how long should you wait before you start blood trailing? Right? But you gotta, you know, it's not what were, it's sort of, you just gotta go with what was in the thing.

• 6:45Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:46Steven Rinella?

  It's a bad experience.

• 6:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, they're not giving you a lot of context around those questions.

• 6:50Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Um, so Mabel, you got it done. Hattie, have you had to do hunter safety yet?

• 6:56Speaker 07

  Uh, I already did it, yeah.

• 6:57Steven Rinella?

  Did you do the virtual or real field day?

• 6:59Speaker 07

  The real field day.

• 7:00Steven Rinella?

  You did? What happened down there?

• 7:03Speaker 07

  Uh, you kind of got like showed around and then you practiced different shooting positions on like clay birdies and then you practiced using a shotgun. And then you went through a bunch of like other things like passing through a barbed wire fence and like practicing all that stuff.

• 7:19Steven Rinella?

  Like where you throw your gun over? And then climb through?

• 7:22Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 7:22Speaker 05

  Was it boring though?

• 7:25Speaker 07

  Um, it was kind of boring and it dragged on, but it was fun.

• 7:30Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm. When you, when your dad, uh, Hattie's my neighbor, I'm buddies with her dad. When your dad learned that you were coming down here, what did he ask you not to talk about?

• 7:42Steven Rinella?

  Remember? Her dad wanted her not to talk about, her dad wanted her not to talk about how he had to curse at her during hunting season this year.

• 7:50Speaker 07

  Sorry dad.

• 7:55Steven Rinella?

  It was the heat of the moment though, wasn't it?

• 7:57Speaker 07

  Sorry dad.

• 7:58Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, your dad got emotional during the heat of the moment.

• 8:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, I was like-

• 8:01Steven Rinella?

  He was there to get some deer killed.

• 8:03Speaker 07

  And I was sitting right fifty yards from a buck and I was like, just out in the open, anything could see me and a deer was fifty yards behind me.

• 8:13Steven Rinella?

  And he had some strong words for you.

• 8:14Speaker 07

  Well, he just said, get down and yelled at me, but that was about it.

• 8:19Steven Rinella?

  Uh, and he wanted you to keep quiet about that.

• 8:21Speaker 07

  Yeah. You just brought it up.

• 8:25Steven Rinella?

  Uh, I've been training you guys up. Tell, uh, Rosie, tell everybody where you hunt.

• 8:31Speaker 05

  Where the deer are.

• 8:33Steven Rinella?

  No, more, yeah, and then I'm a guy and I'm prying you on it, like more specifically, what river do you hunt on?

• 8:39Speaker 05

  No, where Nunya, wait. Where Nunya River flows into Business Creek.

• 8:45Steven Rinella?

  That's right, well it's Nunya Creek flows into Business River.

• 8:47Speaker 05

  Same thing.

• 8:49Steven Rinella?

  Hattie, uh, Hattie, you had a, your school counselor was trying to pry some info on you.

• 8:58Speaker 07

  Yeah, but he was just asking like where it was.

• 9:02Steven Rinella?

  He's asking a bit much, I felt.

• 9:04Speaker 07

  Well, he just like.

• 9:05Speaker 05

  You weren't there.

• 9:08Speaker 07

  Well, he just like asked a lot of questions, like over and over again. He asked if we drove up there. And I said yes, and then he asked if we were on a boat down the river and I said no.

• 9:20Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, because we were hunting the park.

• 9:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, I drove up, we drove up to Yellowstone.

• 9:24Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:24Speaker 07

  And I was like.

• 9:25Steven Rinella?

  Tell him we hunt right in the park.

• 9:27Speaker 05

  We hunt, we hunt right in the park where the rangers don't.

• 9:30Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 9:30Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm. Did you, uh, Maple, was your dad schooled you on this kind of thing?

• 9:36Speaker 05

  Um, I mean, yeah, you definitely sat us down and we, yeah, we.

• 9:43Speaker 06

  Around the campfire, you had a big meeting about this. Have you guys been prided yet for any location information?

• 9:48Speaker 05

  Um, no, I mean, like my teacher, he was like, he was like, so where you go hunting? And I was like, oh, I honestly have no idea. Because it was my first year and I actually didn't know where we went, so that was pretty fair. But then if somebody asked me now, I'd just be like, um, like either I don't know, or we like go somewhere different every year, or I just do the joke Rosie did. I know, but I like the one better where you say like where the deer are, like where are the deer are, where, where are the deer, where the deer are, you know?

• 10:18Speaker 07

  Deer camp, yeah, yeah, deer camp.

• 10:19Steven Rinella?

  Deer camp.

• 10:20Speaker 05

  We go to deer camp.

• 10:23Speaker 06

  We just drive the highway till we see one of those signs that shows the deer crossing the road.

• 10:27Speaker 05

  We wait there and then when one comes and crosses the road, we just get that one.

• 10:32Steven Rinella?

  Do you guys feel that, uh, Ina and Mabel, do you guys feel that if, if your dad, uh, if your dad quit hunting right now? Would you guys, do you feel like you'd keep it going or you feel like you'd quit too?

• 10:41Speaker 07

  I'd probably keep going.

• 10:43Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 10:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, there's a lot of really fun benefits.

• 10:46Speaker 06

  They actually have an opportunity this weekend. Jennifer and I went for a walk looking for pronghorn yesterday. Only day we have for her, for her tag and didn't happen. We didn't see a single one. And, uh, but this weekend, season's still open. I'm gone, but these girls might go and, uh, sort of kind of guide and try to help their mom get on a pronghorn.

• 11:06Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 11:06Speaker 05

  I wanna have pronghorn so bad, Sam.

• 11:10Steven Rinella?

  Seth's wife, Kelsey, went out by herself and got one and then she had like a dolly cart. Like the kind of dolly you use to carry boxes around in the store?

• 11:18Speaker 05

  She was carrying it on one of those.

• 11:20Steven Rinella?

  She had tied to a dolly cart.

• 11:22Speaker 06

  Brilliant.

• 11:25Steven Rinella?

  No, she sent me a picture where it was tied to a dolly cart, like a stack of cardboard boxes.

• 11:31Speaker 06

  Those dolly carts aren't light.

• 11:34Steven Rinella?

  I mean, I'll, I gotta pull it up and take a look. I'll show you.

• 11:36Speaker 05

  Dad, when am I allowed to go antelope hunting?

• 11:39Steven Rinella?

  Well, I think you gotta be tw- yeah, you gotta be 12.

• 11:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 11:42Steven Rinella?

  In this state, you gotta be 12.

• 11:43Speaker 05

  It's pronghorn.

• 11:45Steven Rinella?

  So Cory, how, how old are your youngsters? I have one six-year-old boy. And you taking all this in? I am. Yeah. It's, I'm loving hearing you guys and hearing how excited your kids are to be out there. Cause I'm pumped. I got four more years. Yeah, I've had, so the way it works is because we can do youth season, our youth season just, this year was, well, every year our youth season in Montana is two days long. Depending on the calendar, we had a couple of years where they kind of lined it up with some days, like when teachers are off. Beautiful. Good. So they don't have to miss as much school. They still gotta play a little hooky, but not as much hooky as they would have to otherwise. And then for the last couple of years though, the, the youth season lined up with general. The two days before. Yeah, we could just roll right into general.

• 12:31Steven Rinella?

  And we've had good luck killing bucks like in the general season because you can work the kinks out for the two day youth season.

• 12:38Speaker 06

  Because youth day, youth season is Thursday, Friday, and then general would open on Saturday.

• 12:44Steven Rinella?

  But this year they separated again. Now they're separate by a week. And so we had, our youth season this year was two days long.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, you guys were youth hunting during archery season.

• 12:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it was so off that it was, yeah, we even saw, yeah, there was people bow hunting while we were youth hunting, but we got our crew. We had six hunters and uh, how many bucks did we get, guys?

• 13:06Speaker 07

  Six. Six.

• 13:09Speaker 05

  Thanks.

• 13:09Speaker 03

  That's a hundred percent.

• 13:10Steven Rinella?

  About one o'clock on day two.

• 13:13Speaker 05

  Everybody like will not know, most people got a buck at like around that time.

• 13:22Speaker 07

  I got back.

• 13:22Steven Rinella?

  All four of you girls killed bucks within like 10 minutes.

• 13:25Speaker 05

  I know, but me and Hattie was the biggest ones.

• 13:29Speaker 07

  I got the award for the smallest one.

• 13:31Steven Rinella?

  You got the smallest buck.

• 13:32Speaker 07

  I got the smallest buck.

• 13:33Steven Rinella?

  Hey, I got a question for you, Hattie. You uh, went out, so you got your first buck last year. Okay, you got your first, you got a mule deer buck last year. Oh, no, no, what'd you get last year? You got a whitetail buck last year.

• 13:45Speaker 07

  I got a mule deer.

• 13:46Steven Rinella?

  You got a mule deer buck last, sorry, you got a mule deer buck last year. This year, I want to get into your head a little bit on this. This year you went on the first day of the season. My understanding is you passed up a forky.

• 13:56Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm. Cause there was a big buck at the top of the hill and I wanted that one over a forky.

• 14:01Steven Rinella?

  That's what was going on, okay. The second day, you came in with a?

• 14:08Speaker 07

  Forky.

• 14:08Steven Rinella?

  Okay, walk me through what happened there. Like, walk me through your mind, your thought process.

• 14:14Speaker 07

  The first day that I passed it up?

• 14:16Steven Rinella?

  Both, the evolution of your thoughts.

• 14:19Speaker 07

  Oh, well, my dad and I were glassing and we looked and there was like a huge buck at the like top of this spot.

• 14:29Speaker 05

  And um, I don't know what it was called, but and then I was like, let's go up there and he probably like just bedded down in like that shady. Ravines kinda spot.

• 14:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you can say that kinda stuff.

• 14:40Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 14:41Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 14:41Speaker 05

  And uh, so we were hiking up the hill and my dad tells me to sit down cuz he thought he saw like, he saw a bunch of does that we, I think we flushed, I don't know.

• 14:51Steven Rinella?

  But he didn't curse at you?

• 14:53Speaker 05

  No.

• 14:54Steven Rinella?

  He just told you to sit.

• 14:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, and then um, and he like came down to me and was like, there's a me- there's a buck right there and I was like, is it a forky? And he said, yeah, and then it came broadside for like a minute, so I had like the, like I didn't have like five minutes to think about shooting it or not, I'd like, right then and there, shoot it.

• 15:15Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 15:16Speaker 05

  And I passed it up because I felt like really rushed and I didn't have enough time and I wasn't in the good position.

• 15:23Steven Rinella?

  Understood.

• 15:23Speaker 05

  And I really wanted to get the huge buck we saw on the top of the hill.

• 15:27Steven Rinella?

  Totally understood.

• 15:28Speaker 06

  What makes you wanna kill a hu- big huge buck?

• 15:32Speaker 05

  For the fun of it, I don't know.

• 15:34Steven Rinella?

  Show that counselor, huh? They look at that bad boy, alright? Uh, so then the next day you go out and your thought changed.

• 15:44Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm, well.

• 15:44Steven Rinella?

  Cuz it was last, it was the, by this point, it was the second day of youth season.

• 15:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, and I was like, I wasn't gonna be picky because then I saw other people shot forkeys, so I would, I would've been like fine if I shot one cuz other kids got one.

• 15:58Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 15:58Speaker 05

  So, then I like, I also said like, first thing in the morning, I'm not gonna be picky, so if I see a buck, I'll shoot it.

• 16:05Steven Rinella?

  There you go, yeah.

• 16:07Speaker 06

  I think it would be okay, even if everybody else killed three pointers and you killed a forky, it'd still be okay.

• 16:12Speaker 05

  As long as you got a deer.

• 16:14Speaker 06

  That's right, yeah, they all taste the same.

• 16:17Steven Rinella?

  Mabel, you got your first buck?

• 16:19Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:20Steven Rinella?

  Okay, tell us, tell us about that buck, how big was that buck?

• 16:23Speaker 05

  He was a four by four.

• 16:27Steven Rinella?

  Cory perked right up there.

• 16:29Speaker 06

  That's what I'm looking for.

• 16:31Steven Rinella?

  Cory's wondering where you were hunting.

• 16:32Speaker 06

  Oh, I know where you were.

• 16:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:35Steven Rinella?

  Okay, tell me what happened there.

• 16:37Speaker 05

  Um, I mean, I don't know. My dad, we like army crawled on our like, you know, hi, like on our hands and knees for like-

• 16:45Steven Rinella?

  Well, something must have happened before that. You wouldn't just be crawling out of camp.

• 16:48Speaker 05

  Well, we like, so, um, we, you know, took off from camp and we were just hiking for, I don't know, like-

• 16:56Steven Rinella?

  Ever?

• 16:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, a long time. Um, and then I feel like he, my dad, he just sees, um, like, he sees some does like on the top of the ridge, kind of up there.

• 17:07Steven Rinella?

  Uh huh.

• 17:08Speaker 05

  They were like on a ridge, a finger that was coming down into like this valley hilly sort of place. And, um, so we just like, you know, we were just sitting down and glassing for a minute. And then we decided, well, let's like get a little bit closer to the does so that if a buck pops up over there, then we can be ready and be able to be like set up on, on the does so that if a buck is with them, then we can get that. Um-

• 17:33Steven Rinella?

  I gotta, I gotta bring your sister into this a little bit, cause you guys are together.

• 17:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:38Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 17:39Steven Rinella?

  Okay, so, so you two are hunting with your dad. You guys are hunting as a three pack.

• 17:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:44Steven Rinella?

  Have you two, at this point, cause you see these does, but you guys are both packing guns, right?

• 17:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:51Steven Rinella?

  Have you guys, at this point, how have you guys determined like who's up? Who's first?

• 17:58Speaker 07

  I got the first shot for the first day, and so we decided that it'd be better if she got the shot for the second day.

• 18:03Steven Rinella?

  But why would you get the first shot for the first day? Cause you've already hunted and killed deer.

• 18:08Steven Rinella?

  Huh.

• 18:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:09Steven Rinella?

  This was your idea?

• 18:10Speaker 06

  No, you guys should explain this, because people are gonna wonder.

• 18:14Speaker 05

  We also kind of agreed that I have, um, gotten two turkeys and more squirrels than her, so she should get the buck shot.

• 18:21Steven Rinella?

  Uh huh.

• 18:22Speaker 05

  I don't know how that works, but, um, we decided that. And then like the, the first day, we were just kinda all hunting together and, you know, cause that's, we were all together. And, you know, she would, she had, she had, um, her shot- And stuff and then

• 18:37Speaker 06

  She had an opportunity.

• 18:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, she had an opportunity and then she was just dry firing a little bit and

• 18:44Speaker 06

  The buck slipped away.

• 18:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, the buck, it wasn't spooked by us, but it just slipped away.

• 18:48Steven Rinella?

  I know when you were dry firing, I mean, you were like, you were getting ready for the shot. That, that, that's a good trick.

• 18:53Speaker 07

  Getting comfortable.

• 18:54Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it's a really good trick when you can afford to do it.

• 18:56Speaker 07

  Just get so shaky.

• 18:57Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I got you.

• 18:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, but then second day, we decided it would be mine because

• 19:02Steven Rinella?

  Cause you stacked up all those turkeys.

• 19:04Speaker 05

  And yeah, I guess.

• 19:09Speaker 05

  But yeah, we had, I had the shot second day and

• 19:14Speaker 05

  Well.

• 19:15Speaker 06

  So we were on our way to try to get near, near those does and then we, oh no, we actually got on those does, really close.

• 19:21Speaker 05

  We were on the does and I was, I was set up and my sister was like behind a sage brush, bush and um And then uh, we saw on the ridge line, two bucks, um, a four by four and a two by three on the ridge line and they were coming down, well, first they were just like looking around in the valley, searching for like danger. So we just stayed really, really still. And then they were just like, they decided, I mean, I guess they decided they, they were gonna come down into the valley. So we decided we should like go around the hill, like behind it so that no, no deer saw us and nothing would be like spooked. So we were just army crawling like up to the next hill or maybe next.

• 20:06Speaker 06

  Were you army crawling?

• 20:08Speaker 05

  I mean, I don't know, I was kinda crawling on my knees because

• 20:13Speaker 05

  Well.

• 20:14Steven Rinella?

  As long as you kept lower than him, that doesn't matter.

• 20:15Speaker 05

  I am lower than him because I mean, I'm just like smaller human, but um, I did try to do on my, on my feet and it was just like, like I don't know, I don't know what to call that, like crouching.

• 20:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's like, it's like walking in a squat position, which is the classic thing that everybody likes to do when you tell them, we're crawling now, stay low.

• 20:35Steven Rinella?

  They don't wanna crawl.

• 20:36Speaker 06

  And no.

• 20:36Speaker 07

  It's harder.

• 20:37Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 20:37Speaker 07

  It's harder to squat, cause then you just wanna stand up and it's easier to just stand up.

• 20:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know why. I mean, I was still lower than my dad, so.

• 20:44Speaker 06

  Did you have to watch out for cactus?

• 20:46Speaker 05

  Oh, yes. Oh, it's, there's a lot of cactuses.

• 20:49Steven Rinella?

  Thorns out, man.

• 20:51Speaker 05

  It's bad. The cat, there's a lot of cactuses.

• 20:54Speaker 06

  Lots of cactus in Yellowstone.

• 20:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that part of the park full of cactus. Okay, so go on.

• 21:00Speaker 05

  So, we were army crawling for a while and then we like kinda came up around uh like a hill and there was like sagebrush around us. My dad tried to help me get some grass out of the way of my like, you know, my shooting.

• 21:17Steven Rinella?

  Your shooting lane?

• 21:18Speaker 05

  Yeah, my shooting lane. Um, and we were both set up. I was like up hi- a little bit higher on the hill. My sister was, my dad was between us and then my sister was a little bit lower on the hill. And there was like a road going by us, like on the other side of the hill. And then, you know, we're just watching the bucks. I could not find the bucks anywhere. Because my dad said, "Oh, they're at the tip of the sagebrush." And I was like, "Well, there's a lot of sagebrush here." I didn't say this, but I was like, "There's a lot of sagebrush here. I have no idea which sagebrush you're talking about." And then finally, he had to just look into my gun for me, find them, and then hold the gun for me so I could get behind it.

• 21:57Steven Rinella?

  Figure out where they were at.

• 21:58Speaker 05

  Yeah. Um, and my sister had actually called the bigger buck, which was the four by four. But because I guess the bigger buck had been doing a lot more broadside, like standing broadside, a lot more than the two by three, my sister, because she's so nice, decided to give me the bigger one because he was just...

• 22:18Speaker 07

  I was like, "Ah, let's just get the... If they run away, I'll feel even worse."

• 22:22Speaker 05

  And then my, uh, so I just, I was, you know, set up on the bigger one. Um, and on the road beside us, um, like, I don't know, I guess, a group of cows had been like walking.

• 22:33Steven Rinella?

  Moo cows.

• 22:34Speaker 05

  And, yeah, and they were like go- going over the hill. Um, but then they were all staring at us the entire time.

• 22:42Speaker 07

  They were loud.

• 22:43Speaker 05

  And I was so scared that the bucks were gonna look at the cows and then try and look at us. And, oh, that was like, the cows were just staring at us the entire time. But then it was, I guess, easy to forget about them, because then I'm just like looking at the bucks. Uh, but then I, you know, like, took my shot and I think I shot mine dead. I moved away from the, uh, scope, like, after I shot. So I had no idea where my buck was, because I still didn't know where on the hillside my buck actually was.

• 23:14Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 23:14Speaker 05

  I just had no, I knew that in scope that was my buck. So I had shot him and I shot him dead and then he just, he, he rolled down the hill somewhere. Um, we actually did have a little bit of a hard time finding him later. But, like, maybe five seconds after my shot, Ina shot. Um, her shot was a little bit low because my dad's rangefinder had lost it, all of its battery.

• 23:41Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 23:41Speaker 05

  So.

• 23:42Steven Rinella?

  Tech reliant.

• 23:43Speaker 06

  Amateur.

• 23:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:44Steven Rinella?

  Tech reliant, didn't press his battery.

• 23:46Speaker 05

  Uh, but, yeah, like, we shot like two seconds after each other. Yeah, um, and then maybe like, maybe two minutes later, I think Ina shot again to shot, to shoot hers. And I got, I got the glory of watching hers, um, fall down the hill.

• 24:03Steven Rinella?

  Awesome, man.

• 24:04Speaker 05

  Oddly.

• 24:04Steven Rinella?

  You kids, you kids are Latvian too, right?

• 24:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:07Steven Rinella?

  Do you guys, when you're telling stories, when the gun goes off, do you go, "Blowch!", like the Latvians?

• 24:11Speaker 05

  No.

• 24:12Steven Rinella?

  Do you know about that?

• 24:13Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 24:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, we knew that.

• 24:15Steven Rinella?

  You know, if you're a Latvian, in a Latvian hunting story, a gun doesn't go bang or "pew". It goes, "Blowch!".

• 24:22Speaker 05

  I mean, my dad, my dad has that written on his, um, orange vest.

• 24:27Steven Rinella?

  We used to have a lot of laughs about that. "Blowch!".

• 24:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I guess I have never said that in a story.

• 24:33Steven Rinella?

  Can you start, please?

• 24:35Speaker 05

  Wait, what? Oh, okay, I don't know.

• 24:37Speaker 07

  In the future.

• 24:38Speaker 05

  But, um, yeah, Ina shot and then we just, you know, stood there for a minute. My dad, like, slapped us on the back a lot because that's kind of what he does when we kill animals. Um, and then...

• 24:52Speaker 05

  I don't know, we got up and got all our stuff. We had actually left our backpacks kind of back there, like where we had been set up on the does, so we had to go back and get those because you know, army crawling is kind of hard with also like a big backpack on.

• 25:04Steven Rinella?

  Sure, sure.

• 25:05Speaker 05

  And my backpack is blue, which I'm pretty sure is a color that the deer can see and it's like a bright blue. So, you know, I left that behind, yeah. But then we went and grabbed those and then we were just walking up the hill to find our bucks. Um, Inez was found pretty easily because you know, like me and my dad both saw that one fall down. But ours or mine was a little bit higher up, so I had to look for that one a little bit, but yeah, we, we found him in the end and then we like butchered him and.

• 25:33Steven Rinella?

  We're gonna come back to the butchering. We're gonna come back to the butchering part. Trust me.

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• 26:47Steven Rinella?

  Okay, Rosie, can we move in? You know what we've been teasing Rosie about? Sit up, sit up, buddy. Sit your body on my mic, okay? We've been teasing Rosie. We periodically remember this and tease her about it for a few days when she was real little.

• 26:58Speaker 05

  Oh, no, no, no, no.

• 27:02Steven Rinella?

  When she was real little, we were out squirrel hunting and uh and uh and all of a sudden I look and she is little. Oh man, like three?

• 27:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, you better include that part in the story.

• 27:14Steven Rinella?

  And she's back there.

• 27:15Speaker 06

  You weren't, you weren't carrying.

• 27:16Steven Rinella?

  No, she was just coming cruising along behind us, you know, and we now and then look to see what happened to her and she's back there going

• 27:24Steven Rinella?

  spitting, spitting something out.

• 27:28Steven Rinella?

  She had found some deer shit and thought it was like a little chocolate.

• 27:36Speaker 06

  I thought that was only a joke. That happened in real life? Yeah, it's an old guy's trick.

• 27:40Steven Rinella?

  She thought, oh, she thought it was like a little chocolate nugget or something on the ground. And we're like, what happened, Rosie? What is that? And she was, she had found that deer poop and was like, ooh, someone dropped their candy.

• 27:51Speaker 06

  Dropped their raisinettes.

• 27:54Speaker 07

  Milk duds.

• 27:55Steven Rinella?

  So never remember that. We teased Rosie about it. So Rosie, this is your second buck, right?

• 28:00Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 28:00Steven Rinella?

  Okay. And then you got your first buck last year, but not during youth season?

• 28:04Speaker 07

  Nope.

• 28:04Steven Rinella?

  What happened during youth season?

• 28:07Speaker 07

  What did happen during? Oh, oh, okay. So Jimmy, my older brother, had shot, um, a doe and my dad, Pinky, promised me that the next deer that we got in this mystery place that we were hunting would be mine. The next deer that we saw, like the next deer that we could get, it's mine.

• 28:27Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you were up.

• 28:28Speaker 07

  And, um, there's quite a

• 28:31Steven Rinella?

  That was, that was the Rinella family's last mule deer doe. We were now are on a mor- there's a moratorium on mule deer doe killing in the Rinella household.

• 28:40Speaker 07

  Um, so after, um, Jimmy shot his doe, we went and started looking and we got down in this little area to glass and there was quite a bit of fossils in this area and I was, I was a little more interested in the fossils than the deer.

• 28:57Steven Rinella?

  And I was very pissed.

• 28:59Speaker 07

  He was not happy with me. He was like, Rosie, get over here.

• 29:03Steven Rinella?

  Can I get my perspective on this a little bit?

• 29:04Speaker 07

  Yes, you may.

• 29:06Steven Rinella?

  The fossils were in the worst skylit part of the day. So I'm trying to train them to, when you get to a crest, we slip over very quickly, over the top, nestle into some brush and glass.

• 29:22Steven Rinella?

  So I'm like, you know, okay, I'm gonna go over and I over the top nestling to some brush. And these two get right up on the skyline and then lo and behold fossils.

• 29:35Speaker 05

  Um, so we found.

• 29:36Steven Rinella?

  And I get down, I'm like, are we here to hunt? I did the whole thing, yell and whisper. We're here to hunt. Are we here to?

• 29:45Steven Rinella?

  Right?

• 29:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, and um, I said, he was like, okay, well, there's a deer that comes by to your fall. I'm not gonna feel sorry for you. Like you can, he's like, fine, you know, go, go look at the fossils. Cause I had seen this one in particular fossil that I didn't, I stupidly didn't pick up and then I wanted to find it again. But right as me and my brother are on the skyline looking for fossils, a humongous.

• 30:10Steven Rinella?

  Mm hmm.

• 30:10Speaker 05

  Four by four pops right up in this little like goalie.

• 30:15Steven Rinella?

  Staring at your asses.

• 30:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, like how many yards away? Like?

• 30:19Steven Rinella?

  Hundred yards.

• 30:20Speaker 05

  It's very.

• 30:21Steven Rinella?

  Staring at you.

• 30:22Speaker 05

  So big. And well, you know, the whole thing happens when my dad like, get over here. So we get set up on it and he's already gone by that point.

• 30:29Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 30:30Speaker 05

  He was not having any of it. And then my dad's all mad and I'm like, well, we could go find it again. And he's like, we're not gonna find that thing again. So we start hiking up the little.

• 30:40Steven Rinella?

  We started tracking it.

• 30:42Speaker 05

  Okay, yes, we started tracking it and in front of us probably like, how many yards then? Like?

• 30:48Steven Rinella?

  Three.

• 30:49Speaker 05

  Three hundred yards maybe?

• 30:50Steven Rinella?

  No, it was just like.

• 30:51Speaker 05

  Oh, three.

• 30:52Steven Rinella?

  I mean, he just got up at our feet.

• 30:54Speaker 05

  Well, yeah.

• 30:55Steven Rinella?

  We followed him.

• 30:57Speaker 05

  I thought it was pretty far away.

• 30:58Steven Rinella?

  You mean when he jumped up and I said, get him, Jimmy?

• 31:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, I thought he was far away.

• 31:03Steven Rinella?

  No, he was like under us.

• 31:05Speaker 05

  Well, he like popped out of nowhere and my brother just takes out his rifle and just shoots him. And.

• 31:12Steven Rinella?

  That was your buck.

• 31:13Speaker 05

  He wasn't broadside or anything. He just like shot him in the neck and got him. And I was not happy. I I I was not happy with my dad. I was giving everybody the silent treatment cuz that big buck was supposed to be mine. So I was waiting in this little. Oh, this little side of a little mountain. And while they tried to find this deer, thirty minutes later, they're like, we cannot find it. We need your help. We're gonna go look. So we blood trail it. And we find it and it's it's dead and it's really big and I am still not very happy. But um, yeah, so.

• 31:50Steven Rinella?

  I would say it's not youth deer season till someone cries.

• 31:54Speaker 05

  Hey, that is not.

• 31:57Speaker 05

  And um, so yeah, he got that and then I I I learned to be happy for him cuz he was really happy. It was, he got a really nice buck. Then I ended up getting one. I don't even know where I ended up getting one, but that place was called.

• 32:11Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 32:11Speaker 05

  Our friends. Um.

• 32:13Steven Rinella?

  Our friends friends ranch.

• 32:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 32:15Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 32:15Speaker 05

  Um, I got a nice three by three there, but um.

• 32:19Steven Rinella?

  Then this year came around.

• 32:20Speaker 05

  Yeah. Am I supposed to tell the story of this?

• 32:23Steven Rinella?

  You tell it. I'll tee it up a little bit. We went up, we got to our looking knob.

• 32:27Speaker 05

  Wait, I'm not allowed to tell it?

• 32:28Steven Rinella?

  No, I'm just setting setting scene.

• 32:30Speaker 05

  Alright.

• 32:31Steven Rinella?

  You can tell. We got to our looking knob.

• 32:33Speaker 05

  And um. And um, we see these two. Wait, where are we starting from in this story like? After I spotted.

• 32:44Steven Rinella?

  There's the party meadow.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  Oh, okay, okay. So we had been chasing these two deer and we got up on a skyline and they were there, but they were like far away. I wasn't zoomed in. I was not ready to shoot it at all. So they ended up running away and then all of a sudden deer started coming out of nowhere.

• 33:02Steven Rinella?

  Well, you know what we now know? You know what spooked them?

• 33:05Speaker 05

  What?

• 33:06Steven Rinella?

  Was. The hotelist girl shooting.

• 33:09Speaker 05

  You guys shooting scared the deer.

• 33:11Steven Rinella?

  And they didn't even know where its shots came from. We were like, we were watching them and all of a sudden you.

• 33:17Steven Rinella?

  And they just got up, like the does got up and were looking over and they just started milling around and milled off. But just it was enough to, yeah.

• 33:26Speaker 05

  They were, I mean, if I was.

• 33:27Steven Rinella?

  I mean, she got up and she just like, it was, it was a ricochet sound. And she just got uneasy and wanted to leave. Hmm. You know?

• 33:36Speaker 05

  But, um, yeah, so I was, I, I had one of the bucks in my scope, but like I wasn't zoomed in, I just wasn't ready. Then they got spooked and deer were coming out of nowhere, but they were everywhere. Like there was bucks just like, almost seemed like they were running out of the hills.

• 33:49Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 33:50Speaker 05

  There's so many of them. And they all ran into this one little meadow that we called the party meadow, cause all of the big bucks were having a party there. So we end up starting to follow this little, we go on the side of this little mountain.

• 34:03Steven Rinella?

  No, no, no, no, Rosie.

• 34:05Speaker 05

  What?

• 34:06Steven Rinella?

  We watched four bucks.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 34:09Steven Rinella?

  One had a name. What was the one's name?

• 34:11Speaker 05

  Okay, one, one of the ones name was Houdini.

• 34:15Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm. And there was three bucks that we didn't name. And we watched them until they bed down.

• 34:22Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 34:23Steven Rinella?

  Right?

• 34:23Speaker 05

  So there's a bunch of bucks in the party meadow.

• 34:24Steven Rinella?

  And then we did what? When, when they bedded down, and what did we do?

• 34:28Speaker 05

  We walked.

• 34:29Steven Rinella?

  Well, no, not before we what?

• 34:32Speaker 05

  I don't.

• 34:33Steven Rinella?

  We identified where, what our shooting perch was gonna be.

• 34:37Speaker 05

  Oh, okay. Yeah. So we, we found, we, from this ridgeline, we found a good place to get set up on them.

• 34:44Steven Rinella?

  We knew where we had three bucks bedded and we knew what our cert, our shooting perch was, right?

• 34:49Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:50Steven Rinella?

  And we even like dropped little pins on the map. We think they're there. We're trying to get here.

• 34:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. So.

• 34:57Steven Rinella?

  And then we started walking.

• 34:58Speaker 05

  Now we start walking on this little side of the mountain where they can't, where the deer can't see us. And I end up finding a deer shed. And we're, we see this really, really old doe, just like bedded down in this nice little shady area.

• 35:13Steven Rinella?

  Don't tell anybody what we called her.

• 35:16Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Whoops.

• 35:17Steven Rinella?

  No, you didn't, you didn't tell anybody.

• 35:19Speaker 05

  I know, but I almost did. Well, I didn't almost. I, I, I didn't almost, but like, you know. Um, so we see this really old doe and we're like worried because we need to get, we need to like kind of go near her to get to where we're trying to go, but we're worried that she's gonna scare the deer in the party meadow.

• 35:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 35:40Speaker 05

  So we like take our chances. We're like, ah, well, it's gonna get hot, so we should probably get going over to these deer. So we take our chances. She does end up spooking and then she ends up spooking another buck that we didn't even know about.

• 35:51Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:52Speaker 05

  But he was gone so fast, like.

• 35:55Steven Rinella?

  They didn't blow through our, they didn't, they didn't go through our box.

• 35:58Speaker 05

  Where we were trying to get.

• 36:00Steven Rinella?

  They didn't spook our box.

• 36:01Speaker 05

  So we find our little perch and army crawl over to, well, it wasn't even army crawling, because we were so close to them.

• 36:08Steven Rinella?

  We were crawling like snakes.

• 36:09Speaker 05

  Yes, we had to be very, very careful. We, eh, we had to be very, very careful because they, I think it's really easy for them to spook.

• 36:19Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 36:20Speaker 05

  And so we're in this little part where, I don't know, somehow my dad sees a bunch of antlers poking up, but I do not see those. So I take, it takes a little time to find them, but they're all bedded down. And I'm lined up on the biggest one, because, you know, why'd you take the small one? You can have the big one.

• 36:40Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:41Speaker 05

  And, um, the other one that I'm not, another nice one stands up and I'm not even on him. So I get on him and I cannot see his shoulder blade.

• 36:50Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 36:51Speaker 05

  Because of the glare in the sun.

• 36:53Steven Rinella?

  I'm gonna clarify this point too.

• 36:54Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 36:56Steven Rinella?

  We're talking, I'm saying, I remember where you're gonna shoot it. I said, you gotta see, you know, you see the back of the shoulder and that little crease. So right in that crease halfway up and down, and when the deer stands up, there's nothing in front of it. But she's saying I can't see its shoulder. So I can't figure out what she must be looking at, like she sees some other deer. But I realize, tell what you meant when you said you can't see its shoulder.

• 37:19Speaker 05

  Like, there's a glare in the sun where the whole deer like looked like this dark gray. Color, so I couldn't like see it.

• 37:26Steven Rinella?

  You couldn't see the actual crease.

• 37:28Speaker 05

  So I was like, my dad was like, just like, try your best, just think about, like, think about where you're gonna need to shoot it, so. I took my best guess and I ended up shooting it in the right place.

• 37:40Steven Rinella?

  Well, tell them what happened, do what was missing out of it.

• 37:43Speaker 05

  It's heart.

• 37:44Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, blew the bottom right off the heart.

• 37:47Speaker 05

  Um, so, yeah, and we waited a little bit, ate some lunch, got over there. And we couldn't find him for about like five minutes. And my dad was making me feel very doubtful about finding him. I was like, are we gonna find him? He was like, I don't know.

• 38:03Steven Rinella?

  Just too many, it was too many questions.

• 38:04Speaker 05

  Hey, no, but you did say that, you can't deny that.

• 38:07Steven Rinella?

  I did, but I knew it was in there somewhere, but I couldn't figure out where it was. So I was just like, just give me a second, and it was laying right there. There's a lot of tall sagebrush.

• 38:14Speaker 05

  Our friend showed us, um, where, like, he found the deer.

• 38:20Steven Rinella?

  Jeremy Romero.

• 38:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, and we all went over there. And he was actually like bigger than we thought he was.

• 38:28Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I was telling Rosie, normally they get small when you find them. You never find a buck and he's bigger than you thought he was.

• 38:34Speaker 06

  Yeah, ground shrinkage.

• 38:35Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, we had ground growage.

• 38:37Speaker 06

  Never happens.

• 38:38Speaker 05

  He, he did not look that big from when I was lined up on him, but he was, he's actually like a really nice three by three.

• 38:47Steven Rinella?

  Great.

• 38:50Steven Rinella?

  Now, butchering.

• 38:53Steven Rinella?

  What you guys take on butchering? I know you wanna start out? Just your general impressions of butchering.

• 38:58Speaker 07

  I personally really love butchering. I find it very satisfying.

• 39:01Speaker 06

  You gotta get on the mic, closer.

• 39:03Speaker 07

  Sorry. Very, uh, like orderly and satisfying to just get it all chopped up and stuff.

• 39:10Steven Rinella?

  You like, you appreciate, you appreciate the orderliness of it? Help me understand what you mean with orderly.

• 39:16Speaker 07

  I don't know, it's just very like, I personally find skinning animals very, very satisfying. Which is probably pretty weird, but.

• 39:25Steven Rinella?

  Do you, do you appreciate that there's like step one, step two, step three, that's orderly?

• 39:30Speaker 07

  There's like, there's things you do, and then it like, just all kind of falls into, into place for the end result.

• 39:39Steven Rinella?

  Do you enjoy cooking it?

• 39:40Speaker 07

  Yeah. Cooking is really fun.

• 39:43Steven Rinella?

  So you like that too?

• 39:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 39:44Speaker 06

  Have you cooked any of, any meat yet?

• 39:46Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 39:47Speaker 06

  You have?

• 39:47Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 39:48Speaker 06

  When I'm gone?

• 39:49Speaker 07

  Oh yeah.

• 39:49Steven Rinella?

  You guys help out in the kitchen?

• 39:51Speaker 07

  Oh yeah. But not when he's here. He's our personal chef when we're, when he's home. He can do it all.

• 39:58Steven Rinella?

  Mabel, what'd you think about, was this your first butchering job?

• 40:00Speaker 05

  Yes, I mean, other than kinda like squirrels, but I do not like butchering even a little bit.

• 40:07Steven Rinella?

  You don't like it?

• 40:08Speaker 05

  No, I, I don't like the smells, um...

• 40:12Speaker 07

  We're getting dirty.

• 40:14Speaker 05

  I don't know, it's like, if you, like, once you get blood on your hands, everything sticks to your hands.

• 40:21Steven Rinella?

  Uh huh.

• 40:21Speaker 05

  And then like the smell of the stomach and then, yeah.

• 40:26Speaker 06

  Did you notice that your farts smell like the guts afterwards?

• 40:29Speaker 05

  Um, I mean, I feel like I had like...

• 40:30Steven Rinella?

  It's called deja vu. It's not true.

• 40:34Speaker 05

  I don't know, like, I don't, I don't normally try to smell my farts, but I guess...

• 40:41Speaker 06

  It happens on accident.

• 40:43Speaker 05

  I mean, yeah. But I don't like butchering, especially like the stomach. And that smells really, really bad.

• 40:52Steven Rinella?

  Well, Rosie likes, when she gets done before she leaves, she needs to cut the stomach open.

• 40:58Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 40:59Steven Rinella?

  Which is the boringest stomach in the world. She always thinks there's gonna be something in there, like a, like a mouse or something, but it's just chewed up grass.

• 41:05Speaker 07

  Well, I don't think that there's gonna be something in there. I just like, I want to think that there's gonna be... Also, Hattie has some stuff to finish off her deer story too.

• 41:12Steven Rinella?

  Oh, we'll get, yeah, we're getting there.

• 41:15Steven Rinella?

  Where'd we leave it with your deer story?

• 41:17Speaker 07

  Uh, after my dad told me to get down from the top of the hill.

• 41:21Steven Rinella?

  Oh, hold on, we didn't finish the getting it deer?

• 41:23Speaker 07

  No.

• 41:25Steven Rinella?

  Okay, Mabel, finish telling us about how you don't like it. I didn't realize we missed the end of the deer story. Good job, Rosie, thanks for reminding me. You just don't like, you don't want nothing to do with it.

• 41:35Speaker 05

  I mean, I like, it's like, cool, because I know that like, I'm gonna eat it and it like, tastes really good when I ate it, of course, but like, it, it...

• 41:45Speaker 05

  It's never been like the thing and then when you're carrying it back like there's just like the juice everywhere.

• 41:52Speaker 07

  And like there's just like steamed juices everywhere you look.

• 41:55Speaker 05

  Except for the fact, the one thing that I really liked about butchering is the, I brought up the idea of hot buttered buck nuts.

• 42:03Steven Rinella?

  Yup.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  And bringing those back to camp, which was delicious.

• 42:06Speaker 07

  That was a whole thing.

• 42:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:08Speaker 07

  That's a lot.

• 42:08Steven Rinella?

  Well, I recommend that as you guys get older, you and your sister continue to hunt together because you're gonna have a hell of a time

• 42:16Steven Rinella?

  with the butchering, but if she likes it.

• 42:17Speaker 05

  I love butchering. I butchered all of hers.

• 42:20Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it's like Jack Sprat would eat no fat, his wife would eat no lean.

• 42:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:23Steven Rinella?

  They'll someday make a poem like that about you and Ina.

• 42:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, probably.

• 42:27Speaker 06

  You're a good leg holder. You don't mind doing that.

• 42:29Speaker 05

  I don't really care, but like, I don't like wanna like stick my hands in its guts. I don't like that.

• 42:34Speaker 07

  I get your pretty toes dirty.

• 42:36Speaker 05

  Hey, okay, you put, you actually put blood on my pants. It was horrible. Well, yeah.

• 42:43Steven Rinella?

  That's alright. Maybe you'll grow into it, maybe you won't, I don't know.

• 42:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 42:47Steven Rinella?

  That's good though. Okay, so Hattie, I'm sorry, we didn't get to the, we didn't get to, I don't know what, that was bad hosting. We didn't, we didn't get to the buck.

• 42:54Speaker 05

  It's okay.

• 42:55Steven Rinella?

  Okay, so there we are. Your dad's screaming and yelling at you.

• 42:58Speaker 07

  It wasn't like, okay, but um, by the way, sorry for, sorry dad for bringing, for Steve bringing that up.

• 43:08Speaker 07

  But after he did that, he told me to get down and then he started like glassing and trying to find it. And then he said, get over here and then he found it. So he was like, take your backpack off and put it in this spot and carry the tripod. So, and he was like, we're gonna get to the top of that hill and you're gonna army crawl all the way up there. So we did and then he told me to set up the tripod. So I set up the tripod and um, then he was like glassing it, trying to find it from there and he was like, we're busted. It sees us. And I was like, where is it? I don't see it.

• 43:47Speaker 07

  And then um, that went on for probably like six minutes of me not being able to find my buck when it was staring right at us.

• 43:54Steven Rinella?

  How far away was it?

• 43:56Speaker 07

  Like a hundred yards. Not bad.

• 43:58Steven Rinella?

  Okay.

• 43:59Speaker 07

  Um, and then I like find it and then I was watching it for a while and

• 44:11Speaker 07

  I didn't see it move, but my dad did and it moved broadside cuz it like saw us move, so it was like, oh, I'm out of here.

• 44:18Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 44:18Speaker 07

  So then he went up onto this like hill kinda spot and went broadside and my dad told me he stood up. And I was like, where? I don't see it. And then I found his like white nose. And then went off of that and just moved and right where I lined up his foot, I found his foot and went up. And right as I got on the top of his shoulder, I shot him. And I thought he like ran forward cuz that's what my last buck did. He ran forward. But he actually felt ran backwards and fell into this like ravine.

• 44:48Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 44:48Speaker 07

  So it took us ten minutes to find him cuz he always like clumped up in like a donut.

• 44:55Steven Rinella?

  Just he was hid- he was hidden away in there.

• 44:57Speaker 07

  Yeah, so my dad thought he was a rock. For a while until he like took a second look when he went back around and then pulled him out and I was like. He's a lot smaller than what he looked like in the scope.

• 45:08Steven Rinella?

  Ground shrinkage.

• 45:09Speaker 07

  Yeah, and then he pulled my and then my dad pulled him to this like shade spot.

• 45:15Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:16Speaker 07

  Cut him up. My dad's a knife.

• 45:18Steven Rinella?

  Did you help cut him up?

• 45:19Speaker 07

  Uh, I held the leg. My dad.

• 45:21Steven Rinella?

  Leg holding.

• 45:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, but my dad didn't want me to cut myself with his knife because they're really sharp. So he let me cut open like the bladder and like the liver and stuff.

• 45:33Steven Rinella?

  Yep, yep.

• 45:33Speaker 07

  And look at the heart and all that, so.

• 45:36Steven Rinella?

  Do you like the butchering process?

• 45:37Speaker 07

  Uh, yeah, next year he said I could help him with it. So then I just learned how to do it myself.

• 45:43Steven Rinella?

  Yep. So when you go hunting with your friends, you can be the person that butchers.

• 45:47Speaker 07

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:48Steven Rinella?

  Got it. Um, and then what about, uh, did you carry some in your pack?

• 45:53Speaker 07

  Um, yeah, this time I was actually able to carry a lot cuz I got an actual backpack and last year I was u- using like a school backpack.

• 46:03Speaker 07

  And it was an actual backpack and like this was an actual hunting backpack. And, um, I was able to carry a lot more, which for my dad, he said it felt a lot better on his back. But it was really.

• 46:16Steven Rinella?

  You take some of the weight.

• 46:17Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:18Steven Rinella?

  Sure.

• 46:18Speaker 07

  And then like he put it on my back and I almost fell backwards cuz I wasn't ready for how heavy it was gonna be.

• 46:24Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:25Speaker 07

  And then he had to catch me, but then I was fine. And when I took it off, I felt like a feather, like a feather.

• 46:32Steven Rinella?

  Oh, you know, when you got, yeah.

• 46:34Speaker 07

  When I got back to camp, I felt like a feather.

• 46:36Speaker 05

  When I was packing, my dear, it, my neck and shoulders hurt so bad. Like it, and we were like a mile out.

• 46:46Steven Rinella?

  We didn't, we didn't, um, do your waist belt quite right either.

• 46:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:50Steven Rinella?

  So all that weight was on your, on your shoulders.

• 46:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:52Speaker 06

  How many legs did you pack out, Rosie?

• 46:55Speaker 05

  I packed out everybody's gear.

• 46:57Steven Rinella?

  She carried all the gear and the head and we carried everything else.

• 47:00Speaker 05

  The head was surprisingly heavier than I thought it was going to be.

• 47:03Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 47:04Speaker 06

  Well, especially, you know, we packed them out with part of the neck attached that we could take them in and get them tested. And those heads get real heavy when you're packing them out like that.

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• 48:23Steven Rinella?

  You guys, has everybody here done the, have you guys all had, did you ever come to do the trivia show?

• 48:28Speaker 07

  No.

• 48:29Steven Rinella?

  You never did? Okay, so these guys of Ina, Mabel, and Rosemary, you'll have to come, we're gonna do some more soon, have all done, have all, if you listen to our kids trivia show, our kids podcast, you, you guys have met, you listeners have met Ina, Mabel, Rosemary, but you haven't met Hattie. But these guys were all contenders on Kids Trivia, which is part of our Kids Trivia podcast. We're gonna be, let me pull this up.

• 48:59Steven Rinella?

  When we started the kids show, we always said, hey, we gotta see how it does. We know we're gonna make more. We're gonna make more of the kids podcast, season two of the kids show. Season two of the kids podcast, we're not done with you guys yet. You got more questions? Season two of the kids podcast launches Monday, November 25. But here's the deal, it's on its own podcast feed. Before, when we did the kids podcast, the kids podcast was always put into the Meat Eater podcast feed. It's gonna live on its own feed going forward. We'll probably do one, or I don't know. Maybe one on the regular feed, I don't know.

• 49:33Steven Rinella?

  So, November 18.

• 49:36Speaker 06

  So to find it, you just search kids trivia?

• 49:39Steven Rinella?

  Well, I'll get to that in a minute. What is the feed called? That's a good question, Yanis.

• 49:44Steven Rinella?

  Meat Eater Kids Podcast, good question. If you'd like to listen to this, if you're listening right now on the day this episode dropped, November 18, we just launched the season two trailer and we posted season one. So, so we got a season two trailer and also we're moving episodes one to five over to the kids podcast feed. So now that we're getting serious about the kids podcast, it's gonna have its own feed. We're gonna move episodes one to five on that feed and start adding to them. Every week we'll have a new drop of a new kids episode going forward for five weeks. It'll run through December 23rd, the day before Christmas. So we're kinda lining it up. So when your kids are home for the holidays, whatever you got, the podcast feed.

• 50:28Steven Rinella?

  And then the next time we drop more, we'll drop it off, maybe the beginning of summer break or however we do it. We also got a new kids podcast t-shirt available in the Meat Eater store right now. Now I got a new line of question for each of you. We're gonna go back to Ina.

• 50:46Steven Rinella?

  And then we'll see what kind of questions Cory, Cory might have some questions. Cause as a person who's got kids coming up, he might have some questions. But here's my question for Ina. What is the one piece of advice you would give to moms or dads, whoever?

• 51:02Steven Rinella?

  Taking kids out for their first hunts.

• 51:05Speaker 07

  I would probably just say make it fun. Like, don't try to push too much.

• 51:09Steven Rinella?

  What?

• 51:11Speaker 07

  It's good when you have it, like, when you have the capability to be pushed, but when, if you're taking, like, a nine-year-old out and they're just hunting with you or something, and they're like, "Oh, I'm so tired." And if they're, like, younger than kids who are like us, who, we can be pushed, we're old enough to be pushed. But it gets, like, unfun where then you're like, "Oh, I don't want to go hunting because I know it's gonna get so, so hard" that it's not gonna be fun anymore.

• 51:34Steven Rinella?

  Hmm. That's fine. I asked you. I don't agree.

• 51:39Steven Rinella?

  I don't agree. So that's your opinion. I asked you for your opinion. There you have it. I bet you got pushed.

• 51:43Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. But it make, it makes you a better person and a better hunter.

• 51:48Steven Rinella?

  Uh huh. Uh huh. But your piece of advice is don't push.

• 51:51Speaker 06

  Did you really get pushed a lot?

• 51:54Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 51:54Steven Rinella?

  She just gave him a look.

• 51:58Steven Rinella?

  Uh, one day we had where Ina was gonna hunt with a different, uh, Ina and Mabel were gonna split up. Ina was gonna hunt with someone different. She wanted to know if they walked faster than her dad. And she was glad to hear that they did not walk faster.

• 52:11Speaker 07

  I got long enough legs where I can keep up with him, but if you go faster than him, I'm, him, I'm gonna be left in the dust.

• 52:17Steven Rinella?

  But he's one of the faster walkers I hang out with.

• 52:19Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 52:19Steven Rinella?

  So you're, you're training at top level?

• 52:21Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 52:22Steven Rinella?

  Uh, Mabel, piece of advice for moms, dads taking kids hunting?

• 52:26Speaker 05

  Um, I mean, like, like, honestly, like, make sure that, like, not that I don't want to go hunting, I love hunting, but like, make sure your kid, like, really, really wants to go because if they don't want to go and then you think that they do, and then you push them to go, like, every single time, then they're gonna not want to hunt at all.

• 52:48Steven Rinella?

  You think so?

• 52:49Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, that happened with, like, my, like, my cousin, like, his dad-

• 52:54Steven Rinella?

  Oh, you know of people.

• 52:55Speaker 05

  Had him duck hunt, like, all the time, and he didn't like it because of, I think, the cold. But then, like, now he doesn't like doing it at all because he was, like, pushed to do it too much. I mean, I love hunting. I love that my dad pushes me because otherwise I probably wouldn't do it. And I, like, in the morning when he wakes me up, I'd be like, "Oh, I don't want to go," but that, because he pushes me, like, he, like, makes me, like, want to go, and then I realize, like, how fun it is when I'm out there. But, like, like, make sure they do have interest in it because otherwise they'll just, like, be pushed onto it all the time and then they don't want, they don't want to do it at all.

• 53:29Speaker 02

  That's something I'm really paranoid about is overdoing it, over pushing them.

• 53:33Steven Rinella?

  I disagree with Mabel and Ina.

• 53:36Speaker 07

  Whoa.

• 53:37Steven Rinella?

  Mm-hmm, I disagree. I, that's your opinion, I'm glad you have it, I just don't think it's true.

• 53:43Speaker 06

  Well, you've had good luck. Yeah. Well, it's still early, but with your three kids, they've, uh, accepted pushing very well. But in my universe, I just know too many that pushed and it wound up not working out.

• 54:01Steven Rinella?

  Really?

• 54:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, and it's sad.

• 54:03Steven Rinella?

  Because I feel, just plug your ears, Rosie.

• 54:08Steven Rinella?

  I'm not like, uh, at a certain age, I'm not interested, I'm just, I, I, I'm not terribly interested in what they want to do.

• 54:17Speaker 07

  Uh-oh.

• 54:19Steven Rinella?

  No, I mean, it's true, like, we'll say, we're gonna go camping this weekend. Inevitably, inevitably, there's gonna be some, oh, I can't, I didn't want to, I was supposed to, I was gonna, alright? Or like, it's just, we don't, neither of us cares, me and my wife, you know, like, neither of us cares we're going camping this weekend. Go camping, come home, everybody had a great time. They don't want to leave, so much fun, they're, they're exhausted from physical activity, right? And if we had said like, you know, to little kids, do you want to go camping? And like, oh no, because I was gonna go to Billy's house. And be like, okay, I guess we'll cancel that plan.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:58Steven Rinella?

  Do you know what I mean?

• 54:59Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, if I were to ask my kid, what do you want to do this weekend, he'll say, I don't know, eat fun dip and stare at my tablet.

• 55:04Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, exactly, so it's.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  No, we're not doing that.

• 55:06Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, we just haven't, I, I know it changes later, but early on, we just, we kind of like, we made a plan and that was the plan and.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  You're able to mold them still.

• 55:15Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 55:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:16Steven Rinella?

  Uh, there's a point at which I agree, I'm, I'm sure it's true, and I, there's a point at which I agree, but I, I, I think that, I, I see people too often.

• 55:29Steven Rinella?

  I don't know, like, like cave. It's hard to get everybody out the door.

• 55:31Speaker 05

  Agree with that.

• 55:32Steven Rinella?

  It's hard to get everybody out the door. It's a lot of clothes, it's a lot of gear, it's a lot of complaining. You gotta have, just like, you gotta be like the force of a tornado.

• 55:41Steven Rinella?

  And just be like, dude, we're going, we're getting the stuff. Maybe it's not perfect, but we're gonna get enough stuff packed and we're going. At a point.

• 55:50Speaker 06

  Yeah. No, I think there ha- it's a, it's a balance, right? Because that, depending on what scale you're using, what you're describing might only be a three in someone's version of how much you pushed or didn't push. Right? But maybe you escalate that to a seven and then all of a sudden they're just like, you know what? Really, I'm done camping, bro.

• 56:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Yeah, we're not like dragging them out. We're not like dragging them out into fight and loading them in the car.

• 56:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, and they're like, you're like, hey kids, you ever heard of winter camping? It's negative 10, it's still almost as fun, but cold.

• 56:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I got you. Hattie, uh, advice, and I might disagree with you.

• 56:33Speaker 05

  Well.

• 56:33Steven Rinella?

  What advice you have for moms and dads who want to take the kids out hunting? From a kid's perspective, a seasoned kid.

• 56:40Speaker 05

  Okay. Um, if your kid wants to take a break, just take like a five minute break and let them, I don't know, catch themselves instead of just saying, no, we're gonna hike one mile and then you can take a break.

• 56:54Speaker 06

  I'm gonna tell you to disagree with you too.

• 56:57Speaker 05

  And also bring more food than you think you will.

• 57:00Steven Rinella?

  That I agree with.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  I agree with everything you just said.

• 57:03Steven Rinella?

  I agree with that. I don't think, and I'm speaking to kids generally. I don't think kids have a great sense of when it's time to take a break.

• 57:11Speaker 05

  Well, also, we're not people who've been doing this their whole entire, okay, I guess, yeah, I've been hiking for my whole life, but you're like 50 years old, you.

• 57:21Steven Rinella?

  I should be, I'm on the downward slide.

• 57:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, but think about this, you've been doing this your whole entire livingness of 50 years. So it's different when you're like a little kid.

• 57:33Steven Rinella?

  No, you guys will want to take breaks in the dumbest places. We'll be down in some little ditch bottom where you can't see a single thing. Let's have a break. Like, let's have a break while we're up looking at fresh ground.

• 57:44Speaker 06

  That's true.

• 57:44Speaker 05

  Yep. Not true.

• 57:46Speaker 07

  Don't cave too much, but also don't push too much.

• 57:49Steven Rinella?

  I'll be like, we can have a break. See that spot up there? When we get to that spot, we're gonna nestle in and we'll have a break.

• 57:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's, that's what mine is.

• 57:55Steven Rinella?

  Your dad likes to take breaks in the right spot.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  No, that's us, like, alright, we're talking about there and then we can take a break. That certain spot that you see is like five miles away. You're like, oh, we're almost there. No, we're not. We're not almost there.

• 58:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you got, you kids, and everything that's happened with you kids, you'll appreciate this someday. They've trained you.

• 58:20Steven Rinella?

  Like, this whole thing with you guys and water is out of control.

• 58:23Speaker 05

  Well, how about we save that for what I'm, what my advice is? Cause I would like to talk about that.

• 58:28Speaker 07

  Save it for Rosie.

• 58:29Speaker 05

  Wait, water? Whoa, wait, wait, Dad, can I get my advice?

• 58:33Steven Rinella?

  No kid, I mean, just think about it. It sounds like a Rodney Dangerfield thing, but like, when I was a kid, no kid had a water bottle.

• 58:39Speaker 05

  No, Dad, we gotta, we gotta save this for when, when I'm talking about like, what, like, advice.

• 58:44Steven Rinella?

  Okay, alright, but, uh, I'll get to your advice in one second.

• 58:47Speaker 05

  Alright.

• 58:48Steven Rinella?

  I wanna go back to this. The food thing, I think is, is...

• 58:52Steven Rinella?

  I, I, I agree, hundred percent. I agree with breaks, but I think you guys don't have a well-timed sense of when to take them. The food thing, you're exactly right. Put way more food in your pack than you would ever think anyone could possibly eat. And of a greater variety, right? You guys hearing me?

• 59:10Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 59:11Steven Rinella?

  Huge variety, huge quantity.

• 59:14Speaker 06

  But don't worry about the water.

• 59:17Speaker 05

  I think, I think about like that kid thing where the kids have like a bad sense of when to take a break. It's like, but if we get up to a good spot where we could take a break and it'd be like a good spot, then my dad is like, oh, let's take a break, instead of me saying, I wanna take a break here. It's like, we only like, take breaks if we want to, if we want to. Because we like, are tired down there for like some odd, really bad reason.

• 59:44Steven Rinella?

  And he wants to take a break when you don't even feel like taking a break.

• 59:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, yeah.

• 59:48Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 59:49Speaker 05

  But like, I'm... Yeah, like when we're in a good spot to take a break, like I would say, take a break. But my dad's like, he like knows when we're like about to say, let's take a break. And then he's like, alright, well, like you see that perfect spot up there, we'll take a break up there before us saying it. So it's like, yeah.

• 1:00:08Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 1:00:08Speaker 05

  So we're not.

• 1:00:09Steven Rinella?

  He preempts you.

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:11Speaker 07

  I agree with your, they don't choose the right time. To take a break, like you'll be in the middle of a ravine and they'll want to take a break. But I feel like it's also depending on your age, like you could be.

• 1:00:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:24Speaker 07

  Like fifteen years old and know when to take a break, cuz you've been hunting for like five years.

• 1:00:30Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:30Speaker 07

  So you'd understand like a sense of when to, but like when you're, when it's like six thirty in the morning. And you're hiking up this gigantic hill when it's pitch dark out. You don't know, really know where you are and it's six thirty in the morning, so you'd want to take a break.

• 1:00:46Steven Rinella?

  But everybody else knows you gotta get somewhere.

• 1:00:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, but.

• 1:00:49Steven Rinella?

  I'm not opposed to breaks cuz the best part of my youth hunt this season. I was with Rosie and her little brother Matthew. And we got to be noon. And we were just staying out, we weren't going back, we're just, you know, everybody stayed, had to plan to stay out and hunt all day till dark. So it was noon and Rosie laid on my left shoulder. And Maddie were laid on my right shoulder and they fell asleep and they didn't wake up till two. And I'm used to taking like, I'll take a power nap with the best of them, but I'm not used to the two hour power nap. But that was very relaxing for me.

• 1:01:25Speaker 05

  No, it was, it was almost three hours cuz we went to bed at like eleven thirty and then woke up at like two, so.

• 1:01:32Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, and you know, we had a magic, we had a magic secret bullet in our packs. We brought a couple mini cans of pop.

• 1:01:41Steven Rinella?

  Soda, so after.

• 1:01:42Speaker 05

  I did too.

• 1:01:43Steven Rinella?

  So after nap time, you could bust out one of them cans of pop and that just gets you, gets you ready to rock. Alright, Rose, what's your, uh, Rosemary, hit me with your advice to moms and dads taking their kids hunting. Then we're, then we're gonna see if, what Cory's gonna have some questions for you guys, I'm guessing, cuz he's got a kid coming up.

• 1:01:59Speaker 05

  Um, alright, so just like, like what Ina said, like make it fun, like.

• 1:02:06Speaker 05

  I know this ruined my chance to get a big deer, but maybe, maybe let's do a little like, like not taking like a break, like sitting down and resting. Like maybe going and just like looking for like bugs or something like anything like fun to get their minds off of like hiking for a little bit. And then also, my dad definitely disagrees with this, but drink water.

• 1:02:34Speaker 05

  I mean, I don't even see him drinking water anymore and yet he's almost against it.

• 1:02:41Speaker 06

  Well, you've been to where he grew up, right? You've been there, right?

• 1:02:45Steven Rinella?

  It's all water.

• 1:02:46Speaker 06

  Yeah, it's all water and it's flat. And so it's not anywhere near the same thing as to where you're growing up and why you had required, you know, to be packing around water and drinking water. Cause he could, he literally just like.

• 1:02:58Steven Rinella?

  You're up to your knees in water.

• 1:02:59Speaker 06

  He just diverted and then he would just scoop his hand up into the lake and drink.

• 1:03:04Speaker 05

  I know, but like if I go to school and I'm like, I'm gonna get a water bottle. He's like, hey, you don't need a water bottle. You're fine. Back in my day, in the 50s, we didn't have water bottles.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  My kid's got like 10 water bottles.

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 1:03:19Steven Rinella?

  No, whoever had the idea that.

• 1:03:21Speaker 06

  It improves cognitive function to be hydrated.

• 1:03:24Speaker 05

  It's very, very good for you. Yes, being hydrated actually helps you live. So if you're taking your kids out. If you're taking your kids out, make sure you bring lots of water, lots of food. Um, and just like, take like, not breaks, like sitting down breaks, but like breaks to just do, get your mind off of like hiking and then get back to it. And I almost think that your kids will do a lot better if they've had like a little mind refresh.

• 1:03:52Speaker 06

  One time I had packed a school bag full of, I don't know what kind of books and puzzles and games and coloring pencils. And we went down into a ravine under a shade tree where you couldn't see more than 10 yards in any direction. And we spent an hour there just coloring.

• 1:04:08Speaker 06

  And then we climbed out of there and lo and behold, there was some pronghorn up on the flat that we were about to hunt. So the timing was perfect.

• 1:04:16Speaker 07

  Can I add something to my advice?

• 1:04:17Steven Rinella?

  Please.

• 1:04:18Speaker 07

  Cause I feel like the pushing, it's really good. Cause like you don't love hiking when you're six, five, like nine years old. It's not the best thing in the world.

• 1:04:27Speaker 06

  Maybe even 10 or 12.

• 1:04:29Speaker 07

  Yeah, but it makes you a like a better hunter. I mean, obviously it makes you like, it pushes you for like everything in life. But then also it makes sometimes it not fun. So taking the correct breaks, like not too many, cause then it's like, obviously you're caving in is like a not like just letting your child do whatever they want. But then not pushing so hard where it's like, I never want to come out here and do this ever, ever again.

• 1:04:53Steven Rinella?

  What do you guys think about this idea?

• 1:04:55Speaker 05

  Wait, wait, I got one thing that. So somebody very wise told me this. She's a very athletic woman. She is our family friend and I was running the rut with her. And she, we were like, me and my friend were like, this is not fun. We were like so tired and she's like, it's secondary fun. So when you are out hiking, it's may not be fun in the moment, but later you're like, that was really fun. I did really cool stuff. So yeah.

• 1:05:23Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I got you.

• 1:05:24Speaker 05

  And you'll like the fact that you just pushed yourself really hard and you just did a bunch of exercise. Yeah, like you went all that way and you know, you're not thinking about it. Cause you're like, oh my gosh, my leg hurt, my legs hurt. But then when you get back to camp, you're like, oh yeah, I walked like four miles or something. And then you're like proud of yourself, but like, yeah. You got pushed, you pushed yourself and you're like, it's like secondary fun. Even though you hated it in the moment.

• 1:05:45Steven Rinella?

  Let me hit you guys with a, with an idea.

• 1:05:49Steven Rinella?

  What if a parent was thinking to themselves, well, I'm going to go for broke. I'm gonna, I'm gonna either have a super, a kid that's obsessed with hunting and fishing, or I'm going to burn them out and they never want to go again. And you're like, I don't care about the middle ground. So I'm going to push as hard as I can push. I might get a diehard hunter and angler, or I might get someone who never wants to go again. I know I won't land in the middle. Is that a good approach or a bad approach? And just push it hard.

• 1:06:22Speaker 05

  Bad. Bad. That's bad.

• 1:06:25Speaker 06

  I'm listening to them. I wanna know like what's the what's the favorite part about hunting in general? You guys can look it back at our recent trip and say, oh, this was a real highlight and this is why I like doing this trip and going again. Or just generally why you guys like to go out hunting.

• 1:06:44Speaker 07

  Well, I feel like when I'm hunting, um, it's, I mean, I've always like been, I guess, like pushed to go do things, but like not in a bad way. Like my dad gives me the option. Like if I say I don't wanna go, he's not gonna, I mean, sometimes. He's not gonna force me to go. But I feel like what I really like about hunting is that even if it's like a little sad that like killing things, but like in the end you're like feeding your family and it's just like really rewarding. Yes, I agree with that a lot.

• 1:07:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like a it's rewarding to like your like, I guess, emotional state, like your ego that like I went out and I um, killed an animal and I'm like feeding the people like I guess my family and um, and then I like hiked all this way and I like carried meat and I I like did all the steps and now I'm happy that I did it all. And it's like just nice to think about, I guess.

• 1:07:50Speaker 07

  Um, what I think about is uh that you're spending time with like your parent that went with you. Like I went with my dad and I liked spending time with him and killing an animal with him and like being able to feed my family also while spending time and having like and creating memories.

• 1:08:15Speaker 06

  It's great.

• 1:08:16Speaker 07

  Also, just like being in the outdoors with like when you go back to camp, there's you're not gonna go on your phone, you're not gonna do this. Like you're just gonna be in the moment more of and thinking about what you're doing then and not like what's gonna happen or what you did. And you just kinda get to be in the moment of I'm in the outdoors right now. I get to spend time with my family. I get to put food on the table. I get to push myself to be like a better person and like a stronger hunter and a better hunter. And just there's so many like positives I feel like to hunting, especially after you've done the hunt itself.

• 1:08:46Speaker 06

  Oh, great. Thank you. Corey, you got more questions, man?

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Well, I had maybe some more technical gear questions.

• 1:08:53Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's great, that's a great subject.

• 1:08:55Speaker 02

  Um, obviously, you can't kill a deer with mined bullets, so I'm curious what caliber you guys are all using.

• 1:09:03Speaker 07

  Uh, 6.5 Creedmoor. Same.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:09:07Speaker 02

  And maybe those SIG crosses that have like the nice foldable stock.

• 1:09:11Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  Easier to carry around.

• 1:09:12Steven Rinella?

  Had, you're shooting a 6.5 Creedmoor, aren't you?

• 1:09:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think so, yeah. It's a Creedmoor something.

• 1:09:18Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it's 6.5 Creedmoor.

• 1:09:19Speaker 05

  Oh, wait, I have one more piece of advice, too. Tell your kids not to be afraid to shoot a gun because of the recoil. Because most of the time when you're hunting as a little kid, you're not going to get a big, heavy-duty gun that's going to blow your shoulder off, like.

• 1:09:38Steven Rinella?

  Well, most of your kids also shoot suppressed rifles.

• 1:09:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was really scared, like, for my turkeys, not necessarily for my deer this year, I was last year, but like, it's always the kick that I just get scared about. I'm just scared that's gonna like hurt my shoulder, but I think you should just tell your kids that like, would you rather be scared to pull a trigger because you're worried your shoulder's gonna get a little bruise on it? Or like, shoot an animal, you know? Like, just tell them to like, that's like, okay, and that doesn't actually hurt.

• 1:10:07Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, tell them to buck up.

• 1:10:08Speaker 05

  Maybe like,

• 1:10:13Speaker 05

  maybe like, do it and show them that it doesn't actually hurt, like, like, pull it once on you and say that like, it doesn't hurt, like, I'm okay.

• 1:10:21Speaker 07

  Or don't bring as the first thing, as in like, oh, here's a gun, go shoot it. But make sure, but like, watch out, it's got a bunch of recoil, like, oh, here's a gun, like, I hope you have fun.

• 1:10:30Speaker 05

  That's something my older-

• 1:10:31Steven Rinella?

  Don't put it in your head.

• 1:10:32Speaker 05

  That's something my older brother would always do to me, he'd be like, oh, Rosie, that gun's got a lot of kick. And I was-

• 1:10:38Steven Rinella?

  Well, because he was jealous.

• 1:10:39Speaker 05

  I know, but I was always, I was always scared.

• 1:10:42Speaker 07

  Scared of the kick anyway, and he'd be like, he'd be like, that gun's got a lot of kick. I'd be like.

• 1:10:47Speaker 06

  Well, I think that could be an example of pushing too hard, right? There is some minimum amount of caliber gauge that you have to use to kill these animals. And some kids at the age of 10, maybe because of their personality or body structure, size, like they just are not going to be able to handle even a 410 or a, you know, really light, you know, six millimeter or whatever. So you're just going to have to wait and be patient.

• 1:11:14Speaker 07

  And the mental pushing of like pulling a trigger and shooting something that is like a big mental like, I'm gonna take this animal's life with like, I'm gonna do it myself. And the mental of like, don't push it too hard isn't like a, you have to like do this right now. Cause if they like need a way, if they need to think about that, that's the thing that you have to kind of overcome in your mind.

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• 1:12:40Steven Rinella?

  Uh, Corey, I want to give you a couple. You wanted technical gear advice? Let me give you some technical gear advice.

• 1:12:47Steven Rinella?

  Earplugs, headset, if possible, suppressed. Something I was not provided with. But no matter, no. I was not provided with earplugs. I'm not talking about hunting, field shooting. Okay. Oh, I lost my earplugs. Cram their ear full of earplugs. Cram it. Put head, uh, earmuffs over the earplugs. Put a couple of layers on, not a t-shirt.

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  Hmm, help pad.

• 1:13:11Steven Rinella?

  Heavy rifle, heavy bipod, if you can afford it and get it and do all that to get a suppressor, put a suppressor on it. And, um, just deaden.

• 1:13:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:21Steven Rinella?

  Deaden everything down because I feel that they conflate the noise and the recoil into a sort of package of badness.

• 1:13:33Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:13:33Steven Rinella?

  And, and, and doing that double ear protection, just sort of deadening the noise. I think that you could have the same exact recoil and remove a bunch of the noise and in their mind, it's just a much more pleasurable experience because I think that they're registering the, the loudness and the kick and just a generally unpleasant experience. So by shooting like heavy bipod, heavy gun, laying down jackets on, we had very good luck. To the point where I would tell people that every, we'd go through this two years in a row, when she finally shot her rifle, she would be worked up about it. She'd shoot a rifle and her, and she would laugh. What? Because she had, you would giggle because you had it in your head that it was going

• 1:14:17Steven Rinella?

  to be so miserable and then you shoot, you're like, oh, that was fun. You know, because we did all the steps, right?

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  Yep. Well, my kid just graduated from his red rider BB gun to a 22. We've done some squirrel hunting this year. What should I do next? Like 6'5" seems a bit much, but.

• 1:14:33Speaker 06

  Well, let's not jump away from the squirrel hunting. I mean, that's a, I was, someone else was. Talking to me about squirrel hun- hunting recently and uh I was saying, yeah, I think that's the reason my girls are The hunters that they are today and the marksmen that they are today is because of the time that we spent in the squirrel woods. You know, familiarizing themselves with the 22, shooting a 22, hu- hunting a hard to kill animal. And whoever I was talking to was like, oh, I thought you guys just did it because it was fun and you like to eat them. I'm like, well, it is. But like, I don't know, would you girls agree? Like you guys got a lot of

• 1:15:12Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:13Speaker 06

  Fair amount of of practice on those squirrels when it so when it came to Switching to a deer, did it seem like it was easier?

• 1:15:20Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was definitely easier.

• 1:15:21Speaker 06

  You'd already been there.

• 1:15:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, because squirrels are hard. They're tiny and they run around.

• 1:15:26Speaker 05

  Find. And I was like very happy when I could get squirrels on my own. That was like a really big achievement for me. Just to be able to like, like go out and like you trusting me to do that on my own. And like go out and like set up on a squirrel and shoot it and then have it like fall down from the tree and you hear it hit the ground.

• 1:15:48Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 1:15:51Speaker 07

  I just

• 1:15:51Speaker 06

  That is a satisfying sound.

• 1:15:53Speaker 07

  I just re- thought of like a another tip for like the People going hunting with their kids soon, like who are coming of age to it. Um. Like with the kick, if you think, if you're like practicing in like a field. And um, you don't know if they're flinching or not from like the kick it gives. Um, act like you're putting it around, but don't.

• 1:16:19Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:16:20Speaker 07

  So then they dry fire and just watch them. Because then you'll know if they're actually flinching or not.

• 1:16:26Speaker 06

  Good point.

• 1:16:27Steven Rinella?

  That's a great idea.

• 1:16:28Speaker 07

  Not good to close your eyes before you shoot them. Also that too, but remind them that So every time I've shot my deer, the adrenaline rush, I never remember having a kick on my gun.

• 1:16:39Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, I get that.

• 1:16:41Speaker 07

  So like remind them that they're most likely not going to feel the kick. When they're actually shooting it. You don't even think about that part of it.

• 1:16:49Steven Rinella?

  Those are great tips.

• 1:16:49Speaker 05

  I know I've said like a lot about this certain thing, but I have one more tip.

• 1:16:54Speaker 07

  Water?

• 1:16:55Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, I would like to talk about water later later and your, um. You not liking water.

• 1:17:03Steven Rinella?

  Okay, go on.

• 1:17:05Speaker 05

  Anyway, what I was about to say was that another tip for, well, in my case, my mom. If you, if, this is just in my case, like if you're a dad and you take your kid out hunting, make sure they're wearing ear protection because in my case, my mom got very, very upset that I was not wearing ear protection and had a, pretty much like a whole speech about people losing their hearing and how my dad's ears are so bad to this day because he doesn't use hearing protection. And when I got my deer, my ears really, really started to ring.

• 1:17:43Steven Rinella?

  It's not true because it was, it was a suppressed rifle.

• 1:17:46Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 1:17:46Speaker 07

  You're going to sound like a sh-.

• 1:17:48Speaker 05

  My ears still, I could, I could not hear.

• 1:17:49Speaker 07

  Suppressed.

• 1:17:51Speaker 05

  Truthfully, from the bottom of my heart, my ears actually hurt. Like, they hurt. So make sure you bring ear protection and always have it ready.

• 1:18:00Steven Rinella?

  Well, in all fairness, you know the suppressor she was using is, uh, one of those suppressors meant for ARs?

• 1:18:06Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:07Speaker 05

  So it just doesn't work?

• 1:18:08Steven Rinella?

  So it doesn't get too much blowback. It's like a suppressor light. Yeah.

• 1:18:13Speaker 07

  So it like amplifies the sound even more?

• 1:18:14Steven Rinella?

  No, it just kind of doesn't, it's not like a full like suppressed.

• 1:18:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:18:19Steven Rinella?

  It's like a little.

• 1:18:20Speaker 07

  That's what it sounds like.

• 1:18:21Steven Rinella?

  It's a itsy-bitsy suppressed. Yeah, I, I didn't really appreciate that you ran home and told your mom about that, to be honest with you. I get in all kinds of trouble all the time and I don't need, uh, you adding to it, buddy.

• 1:18:33Speaker 05

  Well, it was part of my story. How afterward my ears really hurt.

• 1:18:41Steven Rinella?

  Anything else, Cory, that they can help you with, this panel of experts?

• 1:18:44Speaker 06

  Well, food is extremely important, so favorite snack?

• 1:18:47Speaker 05

  Oh, and water. Water's important too, Dad. Water's very important.

• 1:18:51Speaker 06

  Something sweet?

• 1:18:52Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:53Steven Rinella?

  Like what, Halloween candy?

• 1:18:54Speaker 05

  Candy, candy, candy.

• 1:18:55Speaker 06

  That's easy.

• 1:18:55Speaker 07

  Yeah, putting, getting like bars that are sweet but also have good like nutrition, nutrition. Whoa.

• 1:19:01Speaker 05

  Dad, what are those bars?

• 1:19:02Speaker 07

  Snickers, like, that you can like put it together. Like, Snickers are good because they've got like the nuts in them. And stuff that they like actually want to eat. Because like there's some of the like bars that he brings them like, I will not eat, ever eat that in my entire life.

• 1:19:13Steven Rinella?

  He's got some junk bars.

• 1:19:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:19:15Steven Rinella?

  He's got some bad bars, yeah.

• 1:19:17Speaker 05

  My dad uses the best bars for hunting. They're, they taste good.

• 1:19:21Steven Rinella?

  It's a Nature Valley wafer.

• 1:19:23Speaker 05

  They, they taste good and they have protein in them because they've got like peanut butter. They taste so good.

• 1:19:28Steven Rinella?

  That's a kid friendly bar.

• 1:19:29Speaker 05

  I usually eat those for like lunch and breakfast when I'm.

• 1:19:33Speaker 07

  Bring?

• 1:19:34Steven Rinella?

  That's a kid friendly bar, high protein wafer bar. Mabel, hot tip for on, on food?

• 1:19:39Speaker 05

  Um, well, like if normally a lot of like, most of the hunting trips I like the day hunting trips I go on. There's like the sandwiches and stuff. Um, make sure that you like before just making them a sandwich, like make sure you know that they like the sandwich. And you, you could like send it to school with them because like I've made a sandwich for myself and I did, I put like a bratwurst in it or something. And I did not like that. It was like the juice of the bratwurst got all over the bun and it did not work. So like.

• 1:20:12Steven Rinella?

  So just to be clear, you're saying, don't just make them a sandwich. Work with them to find a sandwich they like and then test that they actually like that sandwich.

• 1:20:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:22Steven Rinella?

  Then pack that workshopped approved sandwich.

• 1:20:28Speaker 07

  Yeah. Cause you do not want to go out and have a sandwich that you don't want.

• 1:20:30Speaker 06

  Sounds like pretty normal parenting, really.

• 1:20:32Speaker 05

  Well.

• 1:20:33Steven Rinella?

  Understood. Don't be packing some nasty sandwich.

• 1:20:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:20:37Steven Rinella?

  That no one wants to eat, no one's ever tested.

• 1:20:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, not to bring like juicy meat in the sandwich because then it gets all soggy and that's gross.

• 1:20:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:20:46Steven Rinella?

  Uh, totally understood, man. That's, that's great. You getting that Cory?

• 1:20:49Speaker 06

  I'm writing it all down, right here.

• 1:20:53Steven Rinella?

  Okay, uh, Hattie, favorite snack?

• 1:20:55Speaker 07

  Um, so this happens a lot because I hear it at like, when I was in elementary school. I heard like little kids complaining about their throats hurting after running or stuff like that. Because like they didn't drink water and their mouth, and their mouth is dry. Bring Jolly Ranchers because your kids can catch colds and, um, a lot of kids like me, I don't like certain cough drops. For some reason, they're like too strong and Jolly Ranchers will help so much.

• 1:21:29Speaker 05

  Jolly Ranchers.

• 1:21:30Steven Rinella?

  Brought to you by your friends at Jolly Ranchers.

• 1:21:32Speaker 07

  So like you like suck on it. And um all like the saliva in your mouth will like help it. It does like the same thing as Jolly Rancher, just doesn't have like all the medicine in it.

• 1:21:42Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, like a green apple Jolly Rancher.

• 1:21:44Speaker 05

  No, no, no, the blue ones, the blue ones.

• 1:21:46Speaker 07

  Blue raspberry.

• 1:21:47Speaker 05

  And the red ones, those are the best ones.

• 1:21:49Speaker 07

  Blue raspberry, cherry and watermelon.

• 1:21:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, alright. Um, that's a good tip. Rose, best, best snack?

• 1:21:56Speaker 05

  Um.

• 1:21:57Steven Rinella?

  The dried salmon?

• 1:21:59Speaker 05

  That is very, okay, yes, probably that for one of them because dried salmon jerky. I was very, very tired and my head hurt. I did not feel good and I was just munching on that salmon jerky. And it practically made me like walk, it felt like I was like in a dream, like I was just like walking along because I was just munching on my salmon jerky. The effects.

• 1:22:22Steven Rinella?

  Gave you something to do.

• 1:22:23Speaker 06

  I wonder if that headache had anything to do with your dehydration?

• 1:22:27Speaker 05

  Like, probably did have something to do with my, but I had my own pack this year that my dad got me and um and I could put.

• 1:22:35Steven Rinella?

  All the water you drink in there.

• 1:22:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly, exactly.

• 1:22:37Speaker 07

  All the water you've ever wanted.

• 1:22:39Steven Rinella?

  So I, I fed you the line about the salmon jerky, but what, if you had to pack your own snacks, like what's your favorite?

• 1:22:45Speaker 05

  Prob, well, I really do like protein bars, but every time I open one, my dad's like, make sure you eat all that. Cause he thinks that like I'm gonna, he thinks that I'm gonna open it and then it's gonna be like really disgusting, but protein bars. I feel like the good protein bars, like the wafer, nature valley wafer.

• 1:23:03Steven Rinella?

  Chocolate wafer.

• 1:23:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, those, those really good. And Reese's.

• 1:23:08Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:23:08Steven Rinella?

  Mmm.

• 1:23:09Speaker 05

  Make sure you bring Reese's.

• 1:23:10Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:23:11Steven Rinella?

  Got it.

• 1:23:11Speaker 06

  Coffee.

• 1:23:12Speaker 07

  Sugar and calories.

• 1:23:13Speaker 05

  Along with like the jerky thing, like I like being able to like have like a big piece of jerky and just like chewing on it while I walk.

• 1:23:22Steven Rinella?

  Sure.

• 1:23:23Speaker 05

  Because I can just like walk and kind of think that I'm like restoring energy because I'm eating. But then it's like, like chewy, so I'm like doing something and not thinking about just like my legs hurt and wow, this is really annoying and painful.

• 1:23:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:23:38Steven Rinella?

  Well, let me tell you, you guys, um, you guys, uh, brought me a lot of happiness this year. Made me super proud to hang out with you guys. It was fun to camp with you guys. It was fun to watch how hard everybody worked. You guys got up way before it got light out. You were coming back way after it got dark. Hiked good. Everybody shot good. You guys are fun to have in camp. You help out. You got along good.

• 1:24:07Speaker 06

  Lot of dish cleaning. Everybody helped out with.

• 1:24:10Steven Rinella?

  You guys would go down and, and wash and clean dishes.

• 1:24:12Speaker 05

  Um, except for the boys. Um, Jimmy, Jimmy and his.

• 1:24:16Steven Rinella?

  And he's not, listen, if Jimmy was here, I wouldn't include him in this compliment. I'm talking to the people in the room.

• 1:24:23Speaker 05

  Okay, good. They would like throw dishes at us when we were like in the river.

• 1:24:27Steven Rinella?

  Listen, man, I'm just talking to the ladies right now. Okay, I'm not, none of the boys.

• 1:24:31Speaker 07

  The ladies.

• 1:24:31Steven Rinella?

  None of the boys are here. Okay, I'm talking to the ladies from the, the, my hunting partner ladies. You guys did a fantastic job. Made me very proud. What happened?

• 1:24:42Speaker 05

  Nothing.

• 1:24:43Speaker 07

  Hot buttered buck nuts.

• 1:24:45Speaker 05

  Yes, we need to talk about the hot buttered buck nuts.

• 1:24:49Steven Rinella?

  You can, you mentioned, but I want to keep complimenting you for one more second. I'm serious. You guys made me very, very happy to be, uh, to go hunt with you guys. It's, it was all, it's an honor. And when I'm an old man dying and someone asks me, listen, and someone says like, what was all, of all the hunting you did? What was the, the best, funnest time? I will, I already know what I'll say. Cause there's no way, there's no way it's going to get any better. Is, uh, hunting youth deer season and what makes it so special is you guys coming along. Okay?

• 1:25:15Speaker 05

  Thank you. I appreciate that.

• 1:25:16Steven Rinella?

  So now you can talk about, you can talk about the hot buttered buck nuts now and we're going to wrap it up. Like, you guys gotta go back to school.

• 1:25:22Speaker 06

  Well, no, before hot buttered buck nuts, I had something to add to. I had, you had that moment when you were taking a nap. Your kids nap twice as long on your chest there. But I think it was the last night we were in camp. You'd already been in your tent for an hour, it seemed like. Steve was in bed at 8:30. And the rest of the adults at like 9, 9:30 were like, alright, we've had enough, you know, we're going to bed. All of the kids are up. And I can, from my tent, I can hear them. There's no lights on, they're in this, uh, cottonwood grove. And there's no lights on and all the adults are in their tents, like laying there and I can just hear, I can't tell what they're talking about, but it's just chatter.

• 1:26:06Speaker 06

  And I'm just thinking, man, how great, our kids are just hanging out in the dark. You know, in the middle of Montana somewhere. Um, they're safe, there's no screens, there's no phones, they're enjoying themselves. They're comfortable where they are in their surroundings, what could be better?

• 1:26:23Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, um, let's just say during that whole experience, me and Mabel went and got ready for bed, but Jimmy and Hayden took the biggest stick they could find.

• 1:26:33Speaker 07

  You were there, but.

• 1:26:33Speaker 05

  No, I know, but I heard it.

• 1:26:34Speaker 07

  He got a huge log, the taller than him.

• 1:26:37Speaker 05

  It would.

• 1:26:38Speaker 07

  And picked it up behind his back.

• 1:26:40Speaker 05

  And they started sword fighting.

• 1:26:41Speaker 07

  And they started sword fighting. And then almost slapped Jimmy in the head.

• 1:26:45Steven Rinella?

  That's why those guys aren't invited.

• 1:26:48Steven Rinella?

  Those guys aren't here, and we didn't let those knuckleheads come down here.

• 1:26:51Speaker 05

  And we, when we were, what you heard was probably, well, me and Mabel, like I said, we eventually left, but we were all playing a game that Jimmy made called Scream that got a little boring. It's like where Jimmy and Hayden, which is them every time, it's supposed to be like different people, but it's not. Uh, Jimmy made it up. Uh, they, they go into the woods and the rest of the people try to go find them and if you scream, you have to join the people who are trying to scare you. It's very fun. It can get boring at points when you're not in the right surroundings to do it.

• 1:27:22Steven Rinella?

  Got it. All right, let's touch on the hot buttered bucknuts.

• 1:27:24Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:27:25Steven Rinella?

  Mabel and Ina, go ahead, cause you're the ones that brought them back to camp.

• 1:27:32Speaker 05

  Hot Butter Bucknuts!

• 1:27:34Steven Rinella?

  There's the jingle.

• 1:27:37Speaker 06

  Wow, that's better than any of mine. Yeah.

• 1:27:40Speaker 05

  So, like, um, when we were cutting open the deer, you know, like butchering, um, we, like, obviously, we, we had him upside down and the bucknuts were like right there because, you know, you like cut him off and stuff. So, like, the bucknuts had been, like, thrown in the same direction and I, like, walked by and I was like, "Hey Papa?" Well, like, they, they had been, I think one of, like, Inas had been thrown, like, off to the bushes. On my deer guts, just kinda on my stuff. And then we were cutting open mine, like, we were starting, you know, where, where you start butchering. And I was like, I was like, "Oh, do, like, can we, like, eat bucknuts?" I started it with something like that, or like, can bucknuts be, like, like, taken and eaten and stuff?

• 1:28:24Speaker 05

  And my dad, he started, he was like, he was like, "Oh yeah." And then we started, like, talking about bucknuts, obviously. Um, and, yeah, we just, like, started it and then I had never heard of, from, like, Hattie, like, the sign of sex thing, but I mean, I guess we brought them back and, um...

• 1:28:43Steven Rinella?

  Dumb evidence of sex.

• 1:28:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:28:45Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 1:28:45Speaker 05

  But, like, we just, eh, like, I had just said, like, um, like, "Oh, can we, like, eat those?" And then he, my dad was like, "Oh yeah." So, then we were, like, talking about them, so I just, like, put them in a bag and then I put them in my backpack and then we, like, brought them back and we cut them up and we ate them.

• 1:29:01Steven Rinella?

  There you go.

• 1:29:02Speaker 05

  So... Yeah, and then we made a little jingle to it, which is also on Instagram that you can check out. But, uh, then after that, we had already eaten ours, me and Hattie both spit ours out because we weren't enjoying them very much and Hattie was like, "You know, I wanna make a funny little video on my phone. Rosie, grab another bucknut, we're eating more." So...

• 1:29:23Speaker 05

  That happened. We ate them. They were interesting.

• 1:29:27Speaker 06

  I had a couple of comments saying that if we peel them even farther, they'll be even, they'll be even better somehow. And you won't get that sort of tightness that you're worried about with it sort of generates the explosion.

• 1:29:39Steven Rinella?

  Oh, taking the next layer of skin off?

• 1:29:40Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:29:41Steven Rinella?

  I'm not familiar. You'll have to check that out.

• 1:29:42Speaker 06

  Yeah, neither. But I think next time I do them, I am gonna pre-slice and do like a breading, yeah, pan fry.

• 1:29:49Speaker 05

  That sounds like a lot better. Yeah, you should all bring your buck nuts back next time.

• 1:29:53Steven Rinella?

  I used to go to this thing every year called the testicle festival and it'd be like a big party.

• 1:29:57Speaker 05

  Wow, I wanna go to that.

• 1:29:58Steven Rinella?

  They just fry up all these calf, all these steer nuts and it'd be a big old deal.

• 1:30:03Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:30:04Steven Rinella?

  Alright, gals. Thanks for coming down to the show.

• 1:30:07Speaker 05

  Thanks for having us on the show.

• 1:30:07Steven Rinella?

  Everybody, no one's aging out, right? You got another year?

• 1:30:10Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:30:11Steven Rinella?

  Two more years.

• 1:30:12Speaker 06

  I thought I went till you were 16.

• 1:30:14Steven Rinella?

  No, you, 15's your last year.

• 1:30:15Speaker 06

  Okay, 15, so.

• 1:30:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, two more years.

• 1:30:17Steven Rinella?

  We're not losing anyone. We're not losing any hunters. Everybody's still in.

• 1:30:21Speaker 05

  I'll still come even from not hunting.

• 1:30:22Steven Rinella?

  We had, I don't know if you guys remember, we had to retire one of our guys.

• 1:30:27Speaker 05

  Oh, Harrison.

• 1:30:28Steven Rinella?

  Had his brother Harrison aged out.

• 1:30:30Speaker 05

  If we have another four day, he'll, he could come during general.

• 1:30:33Steven Rinella?

  Had, had his brother Harrison aged out, but we got a lot, we got a lot coming up. I got one kid not even old enough. And I said one day if, um, I was, I was saying one day if you could do, if there was a youth elk season, I'd still be having kids. But someday, um, when my nine-year-old hits to be 15, I'm gonna be looking for, I'm gonna adopt.

• 1:30:57Speaker 06

  Just so you can hunt youth season.

• 1:30:57Steven Rinella?

  I'm gonna adopt a nine-year-old.

• 1:31:00Speaker 06

  You could just take out friends' kids too. Might be easier.

• 1:31:03Steven Rinella?

  That might be less expensive too. Alright, girls. Thanks so much for coming down. You guys, you going back to school?

• 1:31:08Speaker 05

  Yep. Yeah.

• 1:31:09Steven Rinella?

  You sure going back, you sure going back to school? Okay. Alright, let's go get educated. Thank you, everybody.

• 1:31:14Speaker 05

  Bye! Bye! Bye!

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• 1:34:14Steven Rinella?

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