The Snack: Tradwife Controversy, Ariana Grande, and Wicker Dick

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: Rayna’s tour and Ashley’s toenail Cardi B drops new song (of the summer??) Shaboozey’s new album Ariana Grande stepping back from the spotlight Nara Smith / tradwife controversy TV reviews: House of Stassi, A Toxic Love Story, Widow’s Bay The trailer for Wicker dropped (and WTF?) Headlines: The Odyssey and Spiderman break records, Tr*mp shat himself at Lindsey Graham’s funeral, Taylor and Travis’s dog has an (alleged) name Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: Hinge: Download the dating app designed to be deleted. BetterHelp: See reviews and decide if it’s right for you at https://betterhelp.com/gge. IM8: Get a free welcome kit, 5 travel sachets, and 10% off your order at https://im8health.com/gge with code GGE. BiOptimizers: Get 15% off at https://bioptimizers.com/girlsgottaeat with code GGE. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  This week on The Snack, Ariana Grande, trad wives, and a toxic love story.

• 0:04Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Enjoy.

• 0:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys. We're together.

• 0:14Rayna Greenberg?

  The last time I was in the studio, we like said bye and I went to the airport.

• 0:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Stop, Raina. That was so upsetting.

• 0:19Rayna Greenberg?

  That was sad. I feel like.

• 0:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know, when you're driving and there's no music on, you're like, I'm down bad.

• 0:24Rayna Greenberg?

  When I did that the other day, I drove for like 30 minutes without music on and I was like, am I okay?

• 0:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, you're not. What was going on the other day?

• 0:31Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. I can't stop smiling today. I'm like so horny.

• 0:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina is taking a lover.

• 0:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I don't want to like.

• 0:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I've taken, I've taken me as a lover. I masturbated before I went to sleep and then in the middle of the night, I just woke up.

• 0:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  That feeling when there is like someone new that you're talking to, which of course we will tell you guys when the things are appropriate to share.

• 0:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, when we get engaged.

• 0:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 0:54Rayna Greenberg?

  That's the next time I'll be sharing a man with. No, I'm just kidding. We'll see.

• 0:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, we'll keep you guys updated, maybe, but those early days, you're so horny. That's when I started masturbating manual. Was when I first started dating Shashank. Remember this?

• 1:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 1:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just all the time, just rubbing one out.

• 1:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Wait, do you think that like, okay, for you, do you think sex begats more masturbation? Like when you're getting laid?

• 1:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 1:19Rayna Greenberg?

  When I'm getting laid, I'm masturbating more. I think sometimes like when I'm not getting laid, I mean, I just, I'm really, I've run out of things to masturbate to.

• 1:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Your clit never knows what to think.

• 1:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  It is a real roller coaster.

• 1:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Heated rivalry hasn't started the new season yet. Like what is she doing?

• 1:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  When's, when's that happening?

• 1:37Rayna Greenberg?

  So they have been spotted in Canada together.

• 1:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, right, right. Okay.

• 1:41Rayna Greenberg?

  I think they are filming right now.

• 1:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 1:43Rayna Greenberg?

  And it's supposed to come out in early like 2027.

• 1:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, I can't wait. I hope we get, um, the other guy.

• 1:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I know you love the other guy. I don't care about him.

• 1:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I guess I don't care about him that much if I can't remember his name.

• 1:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Brett, the guy who dates the juice bar guy.

• 1:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love that storyline. That's when I really got into the show.

• 1:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Ashley really likes the healthy, stable, like securely attached love story. And I'm like, no, give me six episodes of avoidant attachment and just dick sucking.

• 2:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  What if they're secure next season? You're not gonna like it.

• 2:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, let's thank our partners and then we'll get into it. Thank you to Hinge. Download the dating app designed to be deleted and BetterHelp. See reviews and decide if it's right for you at betterhelp.com/gge.

• 2:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to IM8. Get a free welcome kit, five travel sachets and 10% off your order at im8health.com/gge and use code GGE. And BiOptimizers, get 15% off at bioptimizers.com/girlsgottoeat with code GGE. And I have a quick personal update. We talked about my toenail last week on The Snack. I did put some polish on it.

• 2:47Rayna Greenberg?

  On your skin?

• 2:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, it, there was some growth under there.

• 2:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, how short is it?

• 2:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, let's just, yeah, bring your toe up. So, look, it doesn't look bad. The middle one.

• 2:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, it looks the same.

• 2:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 2:59Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean.

• 3:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Little Cajun shrimp on there.

• 3:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it looks like a toenail, like a normal toenail.

• 3:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, people were in the comments, obviously. This really was relatable to a lot of people and they were like, you probably had some toenail growing under there. Like, and I did.

• 3:12Rayna Greenberg?

  What do you mean? Like a toenail under your toenail?

• 3:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, there was new growth. When I took it off, the one that had been loose for weeks, when I finally committed and took it off, after I reattached it, then it fell off, the whole thing. There was some toenail growth coming in.

• 3:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, uh huh.

• 3:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I was able to put a little polish on it and now it's there and it's not bare.

• 3:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I had some Cajun shrimp at home. Like I, you know Cajun shrimp, like for years and it was like the number one.

• 3:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 3:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Pedicure polish. And so I was like, I think I still have some of this because I haven't done my own nails in a long time. I've spoken and done, and I did.

• 3:46Rayna Greenberg?

  So I put a little polish on there. You think you're gonna like work feet back into your sex life now that your feet look good?

• 3:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maybe, you know, we've took, we took a break.

• 3:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Jerk them off with your feet.

• 3:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then you had a little bit of a.

• 3:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, I'm getting my manicure at our place, Pinky's. I guess it's Santa Monica Ocean Park, but I keep pushing the day that I'm leaving. I was supposed to leave right today after we record and I was like, I'll leave Wednesday. I'll leave Thursday. I'm gonna leave on Friday. I'm just like having a nice time.

• 4:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, well, well. Guess who loves LA again?

• 4:12Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, sometimes you have to lose something.

• 4:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Six weeks gone. She's back. Doesn't want to leave.

• 4:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I landed here. I was like, I don't want to be here. And then I got to my house and I was like, I want to be here.

• 4:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's a nice place.

• 4:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it is a nice place.

• 4:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's a good place to live, I gotta tell you.

• 4:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I went to Santa Barbara for the weekend. Um, it was great. And yeah, I was coming from doing two shows in Nashville last week at Zany's and Salt Lake at Wise Guys. And thank you guys if you came out. I had not been on a stage in two months.

• 4:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  And yeah.

• 4:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I did not want to make a big deal about it on the show ahead of time. So I didn't want people to think they were gonna get a bad show, but I was like terrified. I ran this show like 35 times in 26 cities and I was just like, I haven't been on stage in two months. And I was like, what's gonna happen? And like, I had, I was just terrified. I mean, I ran that, this set over and over and over again in my living room. I was prepared for you guys, but like to get back on stage and feel like it was fresh and exciting, you know, and it felt just like new and like really fun and our audience is just so great. And I just missed them. Ashley and I just love being in the room with you guys more than anything in the world and those clubs are so fun.

• 5:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 5:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I was really proud of myself because I was like, this is really scary for me and I like did it and I'm proud and it made me less scared for the fall because I was like, oh, she can do this. She can take a break and go out and do this.

• 5:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  It does. And if you felt like you ever had a misstep or forgot a tag, it also doesn't matter. People are just there to like see you and laugh with you, but you didn't.

• 5:39Rayna Greenberg?

  But you said that to me too.

• 5:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you were like, don't be nervous. Like if you forget a joke, like people just want to hear you and be with you in the room. And I was like, I don't know. What if I forget stuff? But I had the best time. And so I'll be back out on tour starting September 9th. I have 14 stops in the fall and that is the end of this tour.

• 5:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, so I start in Ohio and September 9th and 10th, I'll be in Columbus and Cincinnati and just come out. The tickets are at rainagreberg.com. It's a really fun show. I have fun openers coming with me. Maybe you'll see Ashley. No promises.

• 6:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, no promises. I have a busy fall.

• 6:08Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, you do have a busy fall. And then I'll be in London. I'm doing my first London solo show. So I'm really excited. I can't wait to see you guys. So it's rainagreberg.com for tickets.

• 6:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's international, everybody. rainagreberg.com. Okay, we have a music report. Lots happening in the music world. So Cardi released a surprise new song, Aha. Could be the song of the summer. Have you listened to this?

• 6:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Uh, this morning I listened to it.

• 6:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm obsessed with this. First of all, it's like such a bop. Like I love the song itself, but the lyrics, there's lyrics about posting pics, posting your fit pics, jumping off a boat, the haters, skin glistening. And then she says, black trucks at the club looking like Trump and this bitch, fuck him. Which I love because I love like, Trump got mentioned in so many rap songs, especially prior to him.

• 6:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 6:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  His presidential run. Like you'd hear it and you wouldn't think anything of it.

• 6:52Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I think he was thought of the big, like as a really big New York baddie.

• 6:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I think it's just a rich person reference, you know, and even though he's just like a failed businessman on so many different accounts and now what all his bank accounts are being shut down for fraud and all the things, whatever. But you know, that's the President of the United States. But I really love it. And so she had a record breaking US tour and then just like put out this song. She dropped a teaser clip, rapping on the, like, which was her, like rapping on the beach and that got like 80 million views. And I just love this, like calling out the haters, jumping off a boat, looking cute and you're fit, taking pics. I just think it's like a late in the game song of summer, maybe.

• 7:30Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I love it.

• 7:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  I really, really love it. Like I'm not even trying to force it. Like I listened to it and I was like, it is giving summer bop. So that happened. Shaboozie released his new album. I think this is his fourth album, The Outlaw, Sherry Lee and Other Western Tales. I love Shaboozie. Like I've talked about him for years, like huge fan. I've seen him live in intimate setting. It was incredible. I love his voice. I really like this album, but it is like a Western. Like Jamie Foxx is on it. Like it feels like there's little, what are those called between the songs? Like I'm trying to.

• 8:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Twangs?

• 8:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, like the, they're like little skits, like.

• 8:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, um.

• 8:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Interludes. Yes. Like they'd have them so much more on albums when we were growing up, but they'd have like these interludes, Jamie Foxx is on it.

• 8:10Rayna Greenberg?

  So the song Cowgirl is on it, which is my favorite song of the summer.

• 8:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  That is your song of the summer.

• 8:14Rayna Greenberg?

  I said to you and your husband, I was like, this is gonna be my song of the summer. And yeah, our friend who we love, Sierra Miller, is in the video and they were on The Tonight Show last week together and she came out on The Tonight Show and danced with him. And then they like kind of mimed a kiss, but like, I don't know if they're like, I ship them so hard. Like the internet ships them so hard. They're so sexy together and he seems so enamored by her.

• 8:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. She's like his muse.

• 8:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. And to see them together and he's just like, the way he looks at her, I'm like, please God be a couple. Like this is what she deserves after the dustiest men on earth on Bravo, Austin Kroll and Wes Wilson. Like she deserves to be like praised by a man, an artist, like I just.

• 8:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  A black man?

• 8:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Yeah. These dusty Bravo reality stars.

• 8:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, I love that. There's speculation that they're hanging out. That's what people are saying. I like the album. Some songs are a little too Western for me, but I love his voice. I love anything he does just because I love his voice so much. And the song with Kalani, Bullets and Blades, I'm so obsessed with. That's my favorite song on the album right now. And then there's a song with Gunna too. Like he's got really all these collabs on there. Yeah, Tiana Taylor, Sam Elliott, like they're all in the album. It's like this full narrative. Like I, I mean, you feel like it's much more than like a music album. Leon Bridges is on it. I'm just like really a big fan of it. So that is out.

• 9:23Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, it takes me a really long time to get into an album. Every time like a new album comes out, I have to listen to it like six times. I have to not like it first. I have to like listen to it and repeat. I have to get it in my head. It takes me like a while to like something.

• 9:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And this might, again, I like, I respect it. I love what he did. It's not like my favorite yet, but it could be. And I mean, I just like the country Western of it all. I'm always chasing the high of Cowboy Carter. So really, I feel like this, 20 tracks.

• 9:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, it's a lot.

• 9:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's a lot.

• 9:48Rayna Greenberg?

  I gotta keep going. You always listen to like an album when it comes out and you can give like a high level take on like which songs you like. I don't. I just, I have to listen to it a bunch of times. But I like country music a lot.

• 9:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. Yeah.

• 9:58Rayna Greenberg?

  It's really one of my favorite genres.

• 9:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And then we have Ariana Grande, who released her eighth studio album called Pedal. And she has been on a tour, Eternal Sunshine Tour, which is wrapping up shortly. It's been announced that she is going to step back from the spotlight after that and kind of withdraw from public life. There's a lot to unpack here. I go back and forth on whether to discuss this. It's really sensitive when we talk about her body and all of the commentary and the scrutiny. Not everyone's gonna agree. Like, I just, I read a lot about this. I read a lot of threads. I read a lot of comments. I mean, and we have not wanted to speak about it. It's been happening for a while and I haven't really wanted to touch it. But I feel

• 10:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  like it's come to this, like inflection point. And we're a pop culture show and this is one of the biggest headlines. It is right now, I think, the biggest headline this week.

• 10:52Rayna Greenberg?

  We want to be obviously so sensitive when we talk about people speculating on disordered eating and people's bodies. And, you know, there's so much pressure on women to look a certain way and then they start to look that way. And then society's like, wait, they're too thin now, you know? And there's just, there's so much commentary. And, you know, I guess mostly what I have to say is I, I hope she's well. I hope she's surrounded by people that love her and care about her. And if she needs help, get her the help that she needs. She's such an incredible artist. I mean, she's so amazing. And I told you, like, she's this, like, impressionist. Also, if you've, like, seen her on SNL or The Tonight Show or anything, that she's just, she's so incredible. And I just, I hope that she's surrounded by people that take care of her. And that's, that's my thoughts.

• 11:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I mean, I think, like, a lot of things are true at once. Like, her body is not a healthy body right now. So whether it is an eating disorder or another health condition, like, something is, is really wrong. And I find the images of her on tour to be unsettling because of that, what we're, what we're looking at. And I, the music video for Pedal, which was really a short film, and it was done really well, really brought it to this fever pitch where I feel like people were like, we, we can't take this anymore. You have to stop, like, glamorizing this, which I don't disagree with. I mean, I get that people are like, we can't stand idly by and watch this, you know? But also, how much is too much? It, it, it starts to border on bullying.

• 12:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Bullying, yeah, for sure. And of course, I understand how we got here, you know? Everybody in the world has something to say about women's bodies and how they look and them gaining weight or losing weight. And if you've been in the spotlight as long as her, every person has had an opinion on her body forever. I mean, you look at the things that people used to say about Britney Spears and Jessica Simpson. I think we've come a long way from that. But still, like, to be in the spotlight and have everybody have an opinion about your body, I, I certainly understand how you get here. And she's an adult. You can't tell her what to do.

• 12:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  But people are like, she looks like she's gonna die. And so how can we not say anything? I really have, I go back and forth on my feelings about this. And again, I've, like, really read a lot of what people have to say. And I think people feel gaslit by saying, by her and her team or whoever saying she's healthy, as healthy as she's ever been. That's, that can't be true, you know? So I think there's this other side of, like, she's a role model to young girls. And basically, her PR team put out a statement that she's gonna take a step back, and she's loved the tour, and she's happy, and she's healthy. I felt like that was interesting. I was curious what you thought about that. It felt a little premature. To me, it feels like trying to minimize the discourse right now while her album comes out, while the video came out, while she's still touring. To me,

• 13:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  it felt like, internet, you won. She's gonna step back. Please leave her alone for now. Like, it felt purposeful of the timing to be like, can we just let her enjoy the rest of her tour and her album and not have this overshadow it? And you guys are welcome to disagree with that. But to me, that felt like the intention. Like, we're getting, we gotta say this now. Like, okay, you guys, we, we see you, and she's gonna go get help. Or you can read between the lines.

• 13:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I think we live in a society where people are like, we want this now. And they demand these things. And you forget that, like, Ariana Grande, besides being like a once in a generation talent, she's a gravitational force in terms of the amount of people she employs. So you're talking about arena tours. Is she doing stadiums or just arenas? But regardless, I mean, you're talking about teams of hundreds of people this represents to feed their families and producers on these albums and people that bought tickets. And like, this represents so many dollars and so many people's lives and livelihoods. She can't just not tour, you know? Like, I respect saying, like, let's take our foot off the gas a little bit. We're aware of this. We're gonna take care of this. She's gonna take care of this. But like, you can't demand right now that she just quits touring

• 14:36Rayna Greenberg?

  because that represents so many people's livelihoods. And I think she's aware of that, too, that, like, she employs hundreds, if not thousands, of people through this.

• 14:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Sure. But you, you could argue, why'd you guys put her on the tour in the first place? Like, clearly she's unwell. I mean, again, I, I just, like, I want to tread so lightly. And you can't win in this conversation. I've seen every different side of it. And then, as of this morning, as we record, she came out at one of her shows and spoke directly to the audience. And she said, sometimes when a story comes out that's not directly for me, things can get a little blown out of proportion. So I just want to speak to my fans directly tonight because I love you so much, to let you know how I'm feeling, not what the world decided to project on me. She says, the announcement that was made was not a reactive or impulsive thing. It's something I've decided. It's a plan that I quietly made. Basically, like, this came from a thoughtful and empowered place. I want to share this because I heard that my fans were worried that negativity was ruining things for me. But I just have to say that cannot be more the fuck the opposite. I, I

• 15:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  mean, listen, if you really feel like this is a real problem, say your piece and move along. I think people made this their whole personality.

• 15:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I think people are triggered by it. I get it. I think that, you know, eating disorders, disordered eating is really systemic in society and talk about women's bodies. And I understand why all these people, like, force her or support her into doing all these things because they stand to make money. And you saw this with, like, on a very small level. You saw this with Taylor Frankie Paul, with the entire cast. I mean, she was so clearly unwell on the way to film The Bachelorette. I mean, this is a really mentally unstable person that shouldn't even be on television. Now she's in these court cases. Her children have been taken away from her. Her exes have filed restraining orders against her. But watching Mormon Wives last season, it was, it was a hard watch. And then, I mean, her cast, her parents, all these people are propping her up and encouraging her to go do this show where she is clearly, she should be hospitalized. But all these people stand to make money from her.

• 16:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that is true. And that's, again, like, I like that you brought that up because it's not even about, yeah, of course, it's about her, her body. But it is just more that you can see that someone is unwell in some way. And they are performing, they're making a bunch of money for themselves and others, and they're being propped up and glamorized on TV, on a stage, whatever it is. And that's how, that's why Mormon Wives was a tough watch as well. You're like, she should not be on TV. So I hope she gets the help she needs. I mean, and aside from even her body. I mean, she's just been scrutinized for her relationships and all these things. I mean, it's gotten really to a breaking point.

• 16:56Rayna Greenberg?

  I really have a lot of empathy for her. It's sad. It's sad to see. I think she represents probably hundreds of millions of dollars in ad dollars. And it's hard to just be like, I'm not gonna do this anymore, you know? I just, I empathize with what she, the weight of the world on her. And I just hope she gets the help that she needs.

• 17:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  People draw comparisons to Amy Winehouse and knowing she was unwell and singing about rehab, and she died. You know, I think people are drawing comparisons with celebrities and Karen Carpenter that have died. And the warning signs were all there.

• 17:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I think people care about their bank accounts more than they care about these people. I think people are just like, she represents a lot of money to me and a lot of livelihoods. And it's like, we'll push her to go and go and go until the end. And you just hope that she has people around her that will encourage her to stop and be well.

• 17:39Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 19:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any diseases.

• 19:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, and let's talk about dating apps. I mean, truly my favorite one, and the one that we've seen the most results from, like, from our friend group is Hinge. And Hinge is the dating app designed to be deleted. And I love that that's their story and that's their focus. And there's a couple of things I really like about it. I think that making a profile is really simple and they really facilitate conversation. So one of people's, probably the biggest barriers to entry with dating apps in general is they're like, I don't know how to start a conversation. And so Hinge really facilitates that over and over and over again. And it gives you tons of prompts to answer about, like, who you are and what you like. And Ashley and I always encourage people to be like, granular and specific and try to be funny and don't try to be negative. You know, we have lots of advice and episodes about this. But we really just love Hinge. And I think that it really

• 19:49Rayna Greenberg?

  quickly gets you off the app, onto a first date, talking to people that are like-minded. And on just a personal level, a couple of months ago, we went to a wedding of two people that met on Hinge.

• 19:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, it's, it's constant. You hear it more than any other app, that's for sure. Like, where'd you meet? Hinge, Hinge, Hinge. It's like, we hear it all the time. I, I think it's, sometimes I ask some, a couple how they met, and I like, know that's what they're gonna say, you know? Like, it's just so common and it really does work.

• 20:14Rayna Greenberg?

  So it's for people dating with intention, that really want to go on dates, really want to put themselves out there. And, you know, we're wrapping up summer pretty soon, you know? It's gonna go into cuffing season. Perfect time to start, like, building up an intentional dating roster. So download Hinge. It is the dating app designed to be deleted.

• 20:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so Raina is gonna educate us on what's been going on with the, with the trad wives. No, specifically, Nara Smith.

• 20:38Rayna Greenberg?

  So if you guys are familiar with Nara Smith, she probably is upwards of 10 million followers across Instagram and TikTok. She is sort of a trad wife aesthetic. And she did an interview with Call Her Daddy this week. And the interview with Alex Cooper has gotten a lot of press, a lot of think pieces, a lot of feedback on TikTok. And, you know, I've been familiar with Nora Smith's content for a really long time. If you guys are familiar with her, she makes these very complex, complicated recipes. She is a model. She's married to another model. They have five kids between the two of them. She's 24 years old. She's quite young. And she does this voice and she's like, "My husband requested gummy bears. So the first thing I did was get clay to make the molds. And once I made the molds..." I mean, they live on a farm. They're

• 21:19Rayna Greenberg?

  like homesteaders. And, you know, it's, you're kind of watching and thinking to yourself, like, is this a bit? Because her husband, his name is Lucky, he is like Mormon royalty. He comes from...

• 21:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right, they are Mormons.

• 21:30Rayna Greenberg?

  They are Mormons. And they're both very successful models. And she dresses in these, like, $3,000, $4,000 gowns as she makes these recipes. And so I've never followed her, as I don't follow any trad wife content. I mean, I'm familiar with it. We're very familiar with Hannah Neillman from Ballerina Farm. And I'm fascinated by these women that sort of promote this trad wife. And if you're not familiar with trad wives, it's short for traditional wife. And this sort of like, be submissive to your husband, women should be barefoot in the kitchen or on their backs.

• 22:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like homeschool your kids, like make everything from scratch.

• 22:03Rayna Greenberg?

  And, you know, I think the hallmark of the trad wife move is that you don't make income. So, you know, you are submissive to your husband, you cook and clean, and you make babies. Not your life. And people like Nara Smith and Ballerina Farm, I mean, they're millionaires from these brand deals that they do and the content that they make. And they're sort of the opposite of trad wives, which is so fascinating because they're promoting this lifestyle. But they are business women. They are independent. They can leave anytime they want. They can take care of their children on their own. They're really tremendously impressive business people with a huge team around them.

• 22:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. I mean, read Yesteryear if you want an inside look, even though that's allegedly fictional novel, but one of our favorite books of the year. Also, like, if you're a trad wife, actually, you probably don't have Instagram. You probably aren't allowed to have it. You're probably not on social media. You're too busy making gummy bears from scratch and taking care of your five children and whatever your husband wants them to do in the bedroom. Like, I remember the first time you sent me an Nara Smith video. And I was like, is this real? It's a parody. It's satire or not. But all the signs were there. I did, I never thought it was real for one second. I mean, she's wearing an evening gown. And like, I'm, yeah, and raw milk and the whole thing, which is like, you know,

• 23:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  problematic in its own way. But people are upset that she sold them a trad wife lifestyle and is now, has gone on Call Her Daddy and done this interview and is like, that's not real? Like, she's playing in people's face?

• 23:30Rayna Greenberg?

  So she goes on Call Her Daddy, she's in jeans and a t-shirt. She looks just down to earth. I've never seen her in jeans. I know she owned jeans. And she's basically like, "Obviously, this was fake. I mean, you guys are stupid." She says, like, "Which trad wife cooks in scapparelli gowns?" Like, and she's basically saying, like, "You guys are stupid for believing this the whole time." And, you know, there's a lot of different camps, and everybody's mad at her. So, you know, the people that actually bought into this are pissed at her. And the people that were like, "I always knew this was bullshit," are also mad. And they're like, "You have made an about face because this isn't as cool as it used to be. And now you're acting like, you guys are stupid, and you guys didn't know this, and this is ridiculous." And people are like, "You moved the women's movement back." And also, her content also has changed since the Call Her Daddy interview. And now

• 24:15Rayna Greenberg?

  she did this, like, "Come with me for a day in the life." And she's like, "I have a meeting with my book publisher, and then I talked to my agents. And now my team comes over." And you're like, what is happening here?

• 24:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 24:24Rayna Greenberg?

  So everybody is mad at her from all sides.

• 24:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't feel sympathy toward people who were duped by an influencer peddling a regressive lifestyle. However, I know that there is our impressionable young women who were like, "Well, I want to be a stay-at-home girlfriend now." And like, I don't want to ignore that. I don't want to ignore younger women who are heavily influenced by the internet. But to me, it just, there was a lack of critical thinking. Like, this woman is making tons of money. She has millions of followers. Like, that isn't a trad wife by definition. So let's think a little more critically here. If someone inspires you to live a life a certain type of way that makes you happy, then isn't that a net positive? Like, I understand people

• 25:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  feeling duped. I always say, the thing that people cannot handle and what gets people canceled forever is when the general public feels they're not who they said they were.

• 25:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Andy Cohen says it all the time.

• 25:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's really, when people feel duped, I think it's the inauthenticity when people are like, "We have been tricked by you. You're not who you said you were." It's not that you made this transgression, years passed, you made some remarks on Twitter, whatever. I also think it's ridiculous to cancel people for stuff they said 10 years ago, whatever it may be. But when it's like, you sold us something that wasn't real. But to me, it felt like a parody. So I never would have thought twice. I mean, I just think, as a whole, you have to be discerning with who you follow. There's a lot of grift out there. You try to think a little critically, follow people who appear to be genuine. You won't run into this as much.

• 25:55Rayna Greenberg?

  I think I hear Andy Cohen say this. I've heard Nick Viall say this. There, people will forgive pretty much any type of feeling on the internet and television, except for when they've been sold a story that they feel like they've been lied to. And I think Nora Smith is like, you know, trad wife influencers don't have to be trad wives. And it's like, you did kind of sell this idea, and now all of a sudden, you're like, "You guys are stupid."

• 26:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  I really do understand people being pissed.

• 26:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I do, too.

• 26:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's like the golden rule. Like, don't tell people, like, "You were dumb for believing me."

• 26:24Rayna Greenberg?

  You were dumb. And it feels like a grift. It feels like there has been a movement against this way of life and encouraging women to depend on a man for money. I mean, that's how you and I were raised our entire lives. I've never heard anything. It's like the number one thing my mom ever taught me is, God forbid, a man leaves you and you have nothing. Like, make your own money. And I think there's a real pushback against that. Now the content has changed. So it does feel like a grift. And I don't want to, like, rag on her so hard. It's just the tone did not land. And people were just like, "I don't want to be called stupid for believing this, for buying into it." And I also do think you should just, you should evaluate things on your own, rationally. Of course, I mean, she's not a trad wife. She was an extremely successful model prior to this. And she will continue to be a wealthy person, married to a wealthy person. They can have as many kids as they

• 27:09Rayna Greenberg?

  want at young ages. But she's not a trad wife. She's the opposite of that. So is Hannah Neillman. So I don't, you can believe whatever you want. Like you said, if it encourages you to live a life that you enjoy, then that's on you, and that's great. But it is interesting to just go on the biggest podcast on earth and be like, "You guys are stupid."

• 27:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And if you're a person who's like, "Well, I want to be a trad wife. So who should I follow on Instagram?" Don't want to be a trad wife. Want more for yourself. Be better. This is regressive. This is setting women back. Like, just don't. That's my tip.

• 27:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I saw this.

• 27:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know where they're, I don't know where to find them. Go to their farms. Be with them in person. They're not on the internet.

• 27:44Rayna Greenberg?

  They're not on the internet. I saw this, I'm real this morning. I'm wondering who you thought about it. This one was like, "Where are the 47-year-old trad wives?" Where are the women that are 47 plus that are like, "This is a life that you should lead?" Because it's really cute when you're like 22 to be like, "I'll just be with a man, and I'll make his dinner." And then you get like into that lifestyle, and you're like, "Oh, no."

• 28:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And listen, you guys know how I feel about women's rights and feminism and the state of the world and all the things. And so I do want to validate that this type of content permeating the internet, this propaganda, if you really want to think of it like that, is problematic. But it's also like, let's not make these people famous then.

• 28:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. I also think if it was just like, listen, yes, it's always been marginally obvious to me that this is a joke.

• 28:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 28:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Because of the outfits. But nothing else about it feels like a joke to me. She does live that life. So if it was like, 25% more obvious that this is a joke, I would probably have a little less problem with her being like, "You guys, come on. Obviously, it's a fucking joke." Because it doesn't feel like it was a joke to you the whole time. It feels like this has become less cool and in vogue. And now you are choosing to be like, "You guys are dumb."

• 28:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Yeah. Well, okay. Well, let's move on. We have some TV to discuss.

• 29:00Rayna Greenberg?

  All right. Lots of TV out, movies that are coming out. Thank God, I have had nothing.

• 29:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  There was, there was a bit of a dead period.

• 29:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I know. We saw our agent yesterday. He's like, "What are you guys watching?" I was like, "Nothing." House of Stassi came out. You can binge it on Hulu now. It's eight episodes. We had her on the show last week, and we just loved it. And it's just, it's a really different type of reality show. It is a full fourth wall break. She is in interviews the whole time saying, "This is why I cast this person. This is why I created these dinner parties or cast events." And it's really never been done before to this extent. I mean, on shows like Vanderpump Rules, towards the end, you had to break the fourth wall because these people were so famous. You had to at least acknowledge it. But the fourth wall is sort of like a character throughout this show now.

• 29:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is a show about making a show.

• 29:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 29:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  It almost feels documentary style.

• 29:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 29:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  She is in the confessional talking about making the show that then you get to watch. And when she came on our show, which is, again, like Raina said, last Monday's episode, she basically was like, "You're gonna love it or you're gonna hate it." And I understand now because it is different. And they did it really well. If you don't like that fourth wall break, that is not for you. But they did something different, and they did it well. And she is really great at producing reality TV. She's great at being on and pulling the strings.

• 30:20Rayna Greenberg?

  It's shot beautifully. I mean, you really get an insight into her life. And she even said on our show, I think she thought it was going to be one thing where she like put Katie Maloney and Christina Kelly back together. She put her husband back with his friend Rob. And I think she thought she was gonna kind of, and she says on our show, orchestrate these sort of group dynamics. And what emerged was a pretty intense dynamic between she and her husband. And she was like, "You're gonna watch this and be like, are you guys okay?" I don't think I've ever seen a couple put it out there like that. I mean, he really just unleashed on her about their marriage problems. And it's so raw. And no matter what feelings you have about it, like, they just bled out for the whole world to see. And it's, it's, it's a, it's a really interesting watch. And no matter what you think, I mean,

• 31:02Rayna Greenberg?

  it's just, it's really brave to put that type of stuff out on, in the world. And I think that you want to think that people speak to each other in a certain way in a marriage, and that you can tie these things up in a nice bow. And it just kind of reminds you that, like, things are messy. And they really focus on our friends, Taylor Strecker and Taylor Donahue. They call Taylor Donahue Teddy on the show. I don't remember why.

• 31:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think it's cute. TV.

• 31:21Rayna Greenberg?

  But the Taylors, we had them on our show when they were filming back in November. And we wrapped the episode with them, and then we went out to watch the Eagles game with Rob, who's on the show.

• 31:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, yeah. Now we can talk about it.

• 31:32Rayna Greenberg?

  We just, I mean, we love Taylor and Taylor and, you know, they have some pretty tough conversations on the show too. And it reminds me constantly that like what you see on TV isn't always what's going on in people's lives. And when you remove some context and they're just an amazing couple and I love them and they're incredible mothers. And there's an episode where they're basically talking about how Taylor Strucker wants to stay behind in LA to keep producing the show with Stassi. And Taylor Donahue is like, we need to go to New York to have our baby. And it's like a pretty tough conversation. And I saw them last week at the premiere and Taylor Donahue had the baby and she's like, just like exploding with joy to be a mom. And we just love them. I mean, they're just our good friends. We've known them for a long time. And I think they're a great team. And there was some discourse about that conversation that they had on the show. And I just, you know, I just wanted to like stick up for them and say like, they're incredible mothers and an incredible

• 32:17Rayna Greenberg?

  couple. And I just love them on the show.

• 32:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And if you, people are, if they have any criticism about Taylor Strucker and Stassi and their friendship, it's like, they've been best friends for a long fucking time. And if you didn't know that, then you're not a real fan of Stassi in the first place. Like, everybody knows that. And like, Taylor has her own career and they do a podcast together and all the things. But yeah, if you guys want more from Taylor and Taylor, they were on our podcast towards the end of the year. So just look that up. And that was really fun. But what Stassi has done and what the people in her lives have chosen to sign up for, I would never do. And I would never have claimed to do it. That she loves doing this shit. She said it on our show. This is her, I forget the quote she just said. She just fucking loves reality TV. You know, like, this is her dream and everybody's on board. And like it or don't, but they did a great job.

• 33:01Rayna Greenberg?

  They did. And the last thing I'll say about the show is, so she has her whole family for this, like, sort of mock Thanksgiving dinner. And she's pretty open and raw about her relationship with her mother, or lack thereof. And her mother has four kids with four different men. And, you know, you see that she's probably been brought up in some dysfunction and she's pretty open and raw about it. And you don't see a lot of like, people on television say like, I don't really have a relationship with my mother, but I had a child and now I have to figure out how to navigate that, allow my mother into my child's life. And, you know, I don't really talk about this on the show, but I don't really have a relationship with my own mother. And I will talk about it someday on this show. I haven't really seen a lot of representations of that on television. And I do kind of thank God that I don't have kids, because I don't have to navigate something like that. I don't have to think, how would I fold my mom into that relationship? And it just, it hit me in

• 33:45Rayna Greenberg?

  the chest to watch that, because I haven't really seen that on reality TV. And I like, thank her for doing that. So that's the last thing I'll say about the show. I just, I really enjoyed that part. It's hard to watch. It's sad. But like, I loved that somebody like went there and did that.

• 33:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, love you.

• 33:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Love you.

• 34:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, let's move on to a toxic love story. This is an insane documentary on Netflix. It is 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. I don't know if you like it. I can't tell. Like, so you came over, you were with Shashank and I the other night, and you were like, this is fucking crazy. You guys got to watch this. And then we watched it and we were texting with you on the group chat, like, this is fucking crazy. But I can't tell if you, did you like it? Like, I was hooked the whole time. It's insane.

• 34:26Rayna Greenberg?

  So this is on Netflix. I'm hooked the whole time. It's about allegedly this couple and his ex is sort of stalking them and allegedly sending emails to the new girl, the new wife, right? Who's allegedly pregnant. And she is sending all these horrible messages and death threats. And, and when the documentary opens, the husband and wife are not in the documentary. So immediately I was like, I bet they're in jail.

• 34:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  But the other woman is. So we'll kind of give you high level and then we'll do spoilers if you guys, so we can like, talk about it. But he's a US marshal, which is another kind of big layer of it all. And his current wife, she's pregnant. They tell you she's pregnant with twins, and she is being stalked and threatened by his ex. And it is crazy from the jump, but we will do spoilers ahead from here on out, if you guys have watched it. So if you've watched it, you know that it takes so many different twists and turns. You realize that the ex was never doing all of this, even though she goes to jail for four months, they arrest her. And you're watching it, you're like, yeah, fucking arrest her, this psychotic, crazy woman. She's dangerous. She's, you know,

• 35:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  calling in people off Craigslist to rape this woman, you know? And so they do arrest her. She's in jail for four months. And then they realize she never had anything to do with it. And then they replay back on her relationship. They replay back on the lies that the current wife is told. And she's, you know, this deceitful person too. You find out she's not pregnant. And then you think it's the wife that sent these emails to herself orchestrated. And then they go even deeper and

• 35:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, she goes to jail.

• 35:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she goes to jail. And then, but I didn't really realize she copped to it because she was in on it, right? So anyway, then they realized it was the guy that was the US marshal, this man named Ian, who was pulling the strings the whole time. And maybe, I guess with the intention to

• 36:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Send the original girlfriend to jail.

• 36:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Send her to jails. They owned a home together. But also, he felt rejected by her in some way because she left the relationship. He was being manipulative. It's hard to even describe because there's so many different twists and turns. Thank God to the investigator that investigated him. You're watching this, the first half, you're like, these fucking worthless cops. And then it all kind of shakes out the way that it should. And they're interviewing the ex the whole time.

• 36:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 36:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I will say, I feel like there has been a lot of content recently about crazy women. I have mixed feelings on it. Like maternal instinct. There just seems to be a lot of content around like, women as the murderers or the stalkers and all this stuff. There's just been a lot recently. And for me, I don't like that, because I don't really like that it's like, women are so crazy and they're the ones doing all this stuff. Now, they're not. The majority of all these violent crimes, all the things are men. But I find it easier to watch because I'm not like scared of it, weirdly.

• 37:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, interesting.

• 37:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I don't like

• 37:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, this isn't gonna happen to you.

• 37:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's not gonna happen to me. I'm not threatened by women. So I'm able to kind of watch these isolated, rare cases of women being the perpetrators. Because I'm not like, really scared of it. Because you know me, I don't like true crime. I don't want to watch men being rapists and murderers and all those things that I genuinely am scared about day to day. So I just have had this battle where I'm like, it's a little much with the crazy women lately. But then this ends and it was the man the whole time.

• 37:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, okay, here's my problem with this whole thing.

• 37:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 37:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Where the fuck was the police work? So the original girlfriend goes to prison for four months. She comes out of prison and she's like, you know, when you understand my story a little better, you understand how this all happened. And she very clearly explains documented incidents where he was violent with her, acting crazy with her, was stalking her. She told her parents. The reason why they sort of like decide it was her is she had sent two emails a long time ago to him, under her normal email address. Like, I didn't send the rest. Did anybody go through her computer? Did anybody try to figure out where these emails actually came from, which was from him the whole time? Like, did anybody look at police reports of her having a meltdown and her like, truly not being okay? When she explains this, I'm like, how did this even go to court?

• 38:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, I know.

• 38:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course, this man is orchestrating this. And then I watched the tapes of the police going to the couple's house.

• 38:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 38:35Rayna Greenberg?

  And they don't seem upset. The woman who is allegedly being stalked, who's pregnant, she's like, yeah, you know, and her tone of voice, her body language, immediately, I was like, she made this up. You can see, she just looks fine. She does not seem like somebody who's being stalked by a predator.

• 38:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, yeah, when they got a competent investigator on the case, he was able to figure it all out. And a lot of it from watching those tapes.

• 38:56Rayna Greenberg?

  But the 10 minutes into it, you see this tape of the cops coming. And she's like, yeah, you can go to my computer. You know, it's crazy. She keeps sending me these emails. And I'm like, this is not the tone I would be taking if I was being stalked.

• 39:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she was upset sometimes. And when she said that they came and somebody came and tried Yeah, when somebody alleged, yes, attacked her. So then that woman goes to jail and he doesn't go

• 39:14Rayna Greenberg?

  to jail. And I'm like, did she not flip on him at all? So she ends up in jail. She never at any point says to the police, my husband was in on this.

• 39:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  But were they, they were conspiring together?

• 39:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 39:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so she did have to cop to it.

• 39:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, she, she goes to jail.

• 39:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  But that never threw him under the bus? What was that about?

• 39:29Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what I'm saying. Like, there's these plot holes here.

• 39:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 39:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, how did this happen? And I don't care if he's a US marshal. She still could have been like, go through his, just grab his computer. Grab his computer. You'll see they hired these people on Craigslist. You'll see they sent these emails.

• 39:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 39:42Rayna Greenberg?

  It would have taken 30 seconds. You should have put women on this case and this would have been solved. Put a sorority sister on this case. It would have been solved in 12 minutes.

• 39:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, I'm with you. It was still a great watch. It's just like, we don't get like surprised and, that's not true. I was gonna say, we don't really get surprised and shocked anymore. But maternal instinct, that was also, I mean, they're really coming out with this stuff. The other one I was trying, that I was trying to remember was The Crash with Mackenzie Sherrill, where, so it's just a lot of these like, women are fucking murders and crazy, you know? And again, it's like, I don't like that. I don't like where we're going with that. But it is easier for me to consume. So it still doesn't make me scared of women. But I like that this one ended the way it should have.

• 40:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, with the man in jail. It made no fucking sense. But check it out, you guys. It's on Netflix. It's a great watch. Like, 90 minutes. It's a really good watch.

• 40:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And then I was watching Widows Bay. And I really did enjoy it. That was a really popular show. It's on Apple. It started really strong. Shashank and I were like, very into it. We were like, getting excited to watch it. And then, um, it ended fine. It ended really on a cliffhanger. You know, there will be a season two. And it went a little off the rails, but I still did enjoy it. So I'm curious what you guys thought of Widows Bay. Again, I think as a whole, I would say we like enjoyed that show.

• 40:51Rayna Greenberg?

  And just a couple of things to, you know, keep an eye out for that are coming out tomorrow. A movie about Anthony Bourdain, it's called Tony, is coming out. And it's a dramatization of his life. There's, it's with actors. And it is also just scoring as high as it possibly can on Rotten Tomatoes. People are saying it's incredible. I mean, he just means so much to me. How he lived his life means so much to me. No Reservations is how I started to travel. I would pick a city I wanted to go to around the world. I would watch the No Reservations episode and I would go to all the places that they went to. And just his philosophies on life, I just, I don't know, he's a really important person in the world to me. And so I'm just very, very excited to watch it. People love it. I love dramatizations about the chef world in general. I love his books. Honestly,

• 41:34Rayna Greenberg?

  like, his books are some of my favorite books that I've ever read. I just think he's so amazing. So I'm very excited for that movie. If you guys watch it tomorrow, let us know what you guys thought.

• 41:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 41:43Rayna Greenberg?

  And then another movie, it's not coming out until October, but it has gotten, the trailer dropped. And it has just like swept the world. And that is Wicker. So it's like a romantic, raunchy fantasy. It's starring Olivia Colman. And she, it looks like she's in sort of like an old timey village. And she's this like, older, single spinster. And she goes in the village to Peter Dinklage, who is just, I don't know, a magician or something. And she's like, I want you to build me a husband. And he builds her a husband out of wicker. And the husband is Alexander Skarsgård.

• 42:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, okay. Sorry. I have seen that image and just ignored it.

• 42:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I know that feeling where you're like, my brain just doesn't accept this information.

• 42:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm not, yeah, I'm not.

• 42:24Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm not gonna be doing it.

• 42:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'll tackle this later.

• 42:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Yep. So Alexander Skarsgard, and the trailer is so horny. She's just like fucking Alexander.

• 42:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  She fucks this wicker guy?

• 42:34Rayna Greenberg?

  She fucks this wicker guy. And like, it's so horny and all I can think-

• 42:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is there like a hole?

• 42:38Rayna Greenberg?

  All I can think is like-

• 42:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Does a wicker dick?

• 42:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I, all I can think is what does a wicker dick feel like? And like, what are they wrapping in? Like, how is this gonna feel? How do they do it?

• 42:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do you think they're gonna show the dick?

• 42:47Rayna Greenberg?

  They have to.

• 42:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is there sex in the trailer?

• 42:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Tons of sex in the trailer. She's gonna blast her back blown out for three straight minutes.

• 42:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  By this man?

• 42:54Rayna Greenberg?

  By the wicker man.

• 42:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  The wicker doesn't snap?

• 42:56Rayna Greenberg?

  We don't know. We're on Claire.

• 42:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is unreal. You know who weaves baskets is Cindy Heseltine. I should ask what she thinks of this.

• 43:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Should we see this?

• 43:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is her porn category.

• 43:04Rayna Greenberg?

  Should we see this with her? Like, how would she make a wicker dick?

• 43:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  For any sort of basket weavers, how much are you dying to see this? This is a porn category.

• 43:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, what if, what if the dick is just like a wooden dick and not a wicker dick? So it can smoothly go in and out?

• 43:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm dying to know. Who came up with, what?

• 43:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm so glad they did.

• 43:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Movie makers got high and were like, what if?

• 43:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, fuck this old lady with a wicker dick.

• 43:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. It also told me, it took me a minute to realize Olivia Colman, like, she's older too. I cannot, like, who got high and came up with this and then took it to a studio and they were like, yeah, we'll fund this?

• 43:42Rayna Greenberg?

  What is happening? I mean, he's so hot as a wicker person.

• 43:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know what I will say? I think that we need less remakes and more original content.

• 43:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  And they did that.

• 43:50Rayna Greenberg?

  They really, I mean, this is not a remake. I don't think of anything. And I, for one, just can't wait to watch it. I'm horny watching the trailer.

• 43:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Insane they didn't call a wicker dick.

• 44:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Missed opportunity.

• 44:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I think it's less child friendly if you throw the word dick in it. Um, but that is out-

• 44:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't think it's child friendly, no matter what.

• 44:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I guess she is just getting like absolutely hammered by this guy. So that is out in October, but the trailer is out now.

• 44:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cannot wait.

• 44:16Rayna Greenberg?

  And it's October 23rd.

• 44:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Nation-

• 44:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, is it a little spooky? Well, I mean, getting fucked by a wicker man is kinda Halloweeny.

• 44:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's what I'm saying. It's giving like Scarecrow, sexy Scarecrow.

• 44:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Don't you think it's funny? Your penis is your Halloweeny?

• 44:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  Halloweeny, yeah.

• 44:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  All right, guys, we are gonna talk about our remaining partners.

• 44:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Halloweeny, the funniest joke you guys have heard. A weenie, like a penis, like Halloweeny.

• 44:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Come on, you are better than that.

• 44:42Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I'm not.

• 44:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  You have so many better jokes than I do.

• 44:46Rayna Greenberg?

  This is Raina's best tag.

• 44:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Guys, go see Raina and her fall tour dates. Check out Raina on the Halloweeny tour.

• 44:53Rayna Greenberg?

  For more jokes like Halloweeny, come to my fall tour, rainagreberg.com.

• 44:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, Bioptimizers, guys, um-

• 45:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Speaking of things you put in your body.

• 45:03Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 45:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

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• 46:15Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 46:49Rayna Greenberg?

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• 48:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so we just have some headlines for you guys quickly. First up, Spider-Man and the Odyssey power the biggest box office weekend in history. So the two blockbusters together pulled in more than $400 million at domestic box office this past weekend. I mean, that's impressive. I am gonna see the Odyssey tonight as this episode airs. So Thursday night, tickets, got them already. You're still gonna be here. Did you wanna come?

• 48:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I thought we might be going tonight.

• 48:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, let's go Thursday night.

• 48:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, well, I gotta get you another ticket then.

• 48:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, I'll do it.

• 48:35Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, what if there's not any seats?

• 48:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't think you were gonna wanna go.

• 48:37Rayna Greenberg?

  Cancel it, move it.

• 48:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Were seats D1 and D2, so just go and see if you can-

• 48:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Get that D.

• 48:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Get me a D, get me a D. Okay, so we are gonna see it. I can't decide if Rain-

• 48:47Rayna Greenberg?

  You should get me 3D, like triple D's like I used to have.

• 48:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't decide if Raina's lying. I can't decide if she's gonna go. But we are gonna see it Thursday night, tonight. And I'll let you guys know. I mean, it's, it's a commitment. I don't know if, how I'm gonna feel about it, but I think it's a cultural moment, and I wanna go see it in the theater. Shoshank really wants to see it.

• 49:04Rayna Greenberg?

  That's how I feel. And honestly, a lot of my girlfriends saw it and really liked it.

• 49:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 49:07Rayna Greenberg?

  So it, I just, I'm always like, this is a boy movie, but-

• 49:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Carolina, our producer, is in the room, and she said she saw it and liked it, and so-

• 49:14Rayna Greenberg?

  She has great taste.

• 49:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Okay, so next, this is a little bit older, but we still wanna address it. Donald Trump probably shit his diaper at Lindsey Graham's funeral. So he was acting really crazy. Well, not crazy for him. He was acting pretty normal.

• 49:27Rayna Greenberg?

  He was talking like him, yeah.

• 49:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  He couldn't eat a Tic Tac. He was trying to put a Tic Tac in his mouth. It was hilarious to watch. He kept falling asleep.

• 49:31Rayna Greenberg?

  He forgot Lindsey Graham's name.

• 49:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I mean, none of this-

• 49:34Rayna Greenberg?

  During his speech that he was holding.

• 49:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  None of this is surprising. And then he was sitting there, coming in and out of sleep, and the man behind him was, couldn't, like, his face was contorting with something, with like a bad smell. Like, he looked like he was in the room with a rotting corpse, and he was sitting downwind of Donald Trump. And they, every, so many different people have said that Donald Trump smells like shit all the time. Like, he's wearing a diaper. I feel like we can see it. He always looks like he's got a fupa. He looks like he's wearing a diaper. And like, he smells like shit all the time. That's what people say. I mean, multiple sources have said this, and I do think that he's just constantly shitting his diaper. I think this is a man that really never got potty trained. I think he had parents, I think he had parents who didn't care about him. Like, he probably wet the bed his whole childhood.

• 50:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  And like, he's a person who's like, I'm not gonna wipe myself. Like, I think Donald Trump has been in diapers probably for most of his life, and he's not really potty trained.

• 50:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  And now he's old and it's even worse.

• 50:33Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't think Donald Trump has ever been potty trained.

• 50:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  So anyway, he is just constantly shitting his diaper and-

• 50:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, you guys should watch press conferences and just always look at the people behind him.

• 50:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 50:44Rayna Greenberg?

  They are always like fighting for their lives. It's insane to watch. I mean, and then you can tell like when he farts, because like, it will wash over their faces. They're trying to compose themselves like-

• 50:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's not farting. He's shitting. He's taking a shit. This man couldn't keep it together. It looked like he was gonna throw up, sitting behind him.

• 51:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, you guys gotta watch the clips. It's insane.

• 51:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  And that's, there has been a lot of reports on that, that he just smells like shit all the time.

• 51:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. So that's who half the country voted for. Good job, guys. Okay, anyways. Let's end this on a really positive note. People are allegedly saying that they know the name of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey's dog, this white dog that appeared out of nowhere coming off the plane with him. Where this dog came from, we don't know. And the internet is saying that her name is Wendy.

• 51:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wendy, after Wendy Peppercorn from The Sandlot.

• 51:34Rayna Greenberg?

  That's what it's after.

• 51:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, you didn't know?

• 51:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't read this article.

• 51:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, yeah, that's, I didn't read this article. You said, you really delivered that with a lot of confidence. Yes, so allegedly Wendy is the new Steamingly Ranch, and they are saying that she is named Wendy after Trav, one of Travis's favorite movies, also one of my favorite movies, everybody's favorite movies. I mean, The Sandlot is such an iconic movie, Wendy Peppercorn. And Taylor and Travis haven't confirmed this, any of this themselves as we record, but the Cosmo article says, "We do know one undeniable truth. Taylor historically has great taste in pet names. Just ask Meredith Grey, Olivia Benson, and Benjamin Button." So I really do like where they're at with this. Wendy is a very cute name.

• 52:10Rayna Greenberg?

  It's so funny.

• 52:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I like it. I like Wendy.

• 52:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Can they just confirm anything? Can we just get like any content from these two? I mean, I haven't seen them out at dinner. I have not seen their wedding photos. Now, we don't know really what their dog's name is. Like, I just feel like they're like, we're just trying to have some privacy. Don't!

• 52:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, give us the dog at least.

• 52:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I, like, I didn't, I need football season to start, so I can just like see her bad outfits at the games. Like, I just miss them.

• 52:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Raina cannot help herself.

• 52:31Rayna Greenberg?

  I just-

• 52:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Always has to insult her in some way.

• 52:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Even though I'm like a-

• 52:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Fake Swiftie, huge fan. Okay, well, that's your snack, you guys. GirlsGottaEat.com, GirlsGottaEat Podcast, Instagram and TikTok. I'm Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Raina.Greberg and RainaGreberg.com for her Halloweeny tour tickets. You can watch full video-

• 52:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I do have Halloween shows.

• 52:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Full of video.

• 52:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Come drop to the penis.

• 52:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  You gotta stop. I know you think you just came up with your best joke of your entire career, but I'm telling you, it's not.

• 53:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  You have so much better jokes in the tank, you guys. Please don't judge her on the Halloweeny thing, and please go to her tour, and you can watch full video on Spotify and YouTube, and leave a comment, a review, subscribe, share this episode with a friend, and we will see you guys Monday.

• 53:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a good weekend, guys.

• 53:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.