Maserati is Back; Misplaced Building Blame

Matt Farah corrects the record on his building delays in California; Zack Klapman reviews the new Maserati GranTurismo and Grecale. Patreon questions include: Will the Porsche Mission S have special trims (GTS, GT3)? The ONE thing Maserati needs Which car company has the biggest price spread? How to find a Lemons seat More watch brands working with car companies? Is track insurance a good idea? Driving in the U. S. vs abroad HELP! Cross-shopping: M2 vs Mustang GT vs C7 GS vs 370Z vs Supra Used: Audi RS3 or F80 M3? Should people learn to drive in EVs? How NOT to give racing advice And more! Recorded November 4, 2026 Avants https://avants.com/tst use code TST for 10% off your membership! Align Shoes Get 20% off your first pair with code “TIRE” at checkout at https://alignshoe.com. Promotion valid for 20% off one pair of full-priced footwear with code TIRE. Offer not valid for items on sale. DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/tire and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Truewerk Go to https://TRUEWERK. COM/tireand use code tire to get 15% off your first order. TRUEWERK, Built Like It Matters. Brian James Trailers Visit Brian James Trailers at SEMA this week booth #24933 in the Central Hall or check out https://brianjamestrailers.com Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:40Matt Farah?

  So go to Avance, that's A-V-A-N-T-S dot com slash TST. That's Avance dot com slash TST and use code TST for 10% off your Avance membership. Right then, on this episode of the podcast, Zach drives all the Maseratis. We take our giveaway 911T to the dyno and have some interesting results. I find the last Aston Martin clutch and you people are blaming California for stuff that's not California's fault. Again, it's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go. I did have a meatball in Woodstock, Vermont. It was very tasty against all odds.

• 1:22Speaker 01

  Why against odds? Because you're sick? Or because meatballs are great?

• 1:28Matt Farah?

  No, no, not again. No, of course. But like, yeah, Vermont's not known for its meatballs. I mean, I guess they have good cows, but they're not known for their Italians.

• 1:39Matt Farah?

  And let's just say the name of the restaurant, which was a person's name.

• 1:43Speaker 01

  Bernie's Balls.

• 1:44Matt Farah?

  It was not an Italian name. It was a Hispanic name.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  Trying to remember how to do like Bernie Sanders and I can't quite do it.

• 1:51Matt Farah?

  So I wasn't, I wasn't 100% confident. It was good. It's alright. Woodstock, Vermont. Very cute. Very cute. Good town.

• 1:59Speaker 01

  In this country, the billionaires have most of the meatball seasoning. I can't remember. I can't remember Bernie anymore. Damn it!

• 2:05Matt Farah?

  It's been too long.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  It's been too long. He's still out there.

• 2:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, he's just, he's just not on TV anymore. He's letting, he's letting Zoron really kinda take up the TV.

• 2:14Speaker 01

  Him and, uh, you all say it.

• 2:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, every, you know, I, we voted, right? Um, and you and I live really close together, but crucially, uh, you live in the city of Los Angeles and I do not.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Uh, we're talking about the mayor, mayor vote?

• 2:35Matt Farah?

  I didn't get to vote for mayor. I, I don't vote for, I didn't vote for any of the city positions.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  What's weird is that Playa Vista is like an unincorporated part of Los Angeles. I didn't vote either for the mayor.

• 2:46Matt Farah?

  Oh, I didn't realize that.

• 2:47Speaker 01

  Which I was looking forward to. Because Karen Bass is not doing a very good job, in my opinion.

• 2:50Matt Farah?

  Fuck Karen Bass. Did you listen to the dollop about Karen Bass?

• 2:53Speaker 01

  No, I kinda got the gist from Dave's tweets and posts.

• 2:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but the, what makes the dollop a great show is that 30-year-old Karen Bass in the 80s would have been an amazing fucking mayor. But as she got more and more powerful and just be, became Karen Bass, today's Karen Bass, you know what I mean? Like, we, the whole point of that dollop is that we really wish we could have voted for 30-year-old Karen. Nithya Ramon is much closer to 30-year-old Karen Bass. So, but I couldn't vote for her.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  I know, I was bummed. I was very bummed.

• 3:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's weird when you live somewhere and like, you, and you like, like you live in a city, but not really.

• 3:36Speaker 01

  LA is weird because LA County is gigantic, but within it, I don't know how many cities there are, but it's like, probably like a dozen. Like, West Hollywood is its own city. I think Beverly Hills is.

• 3:47Matt Farah?

  What's really, yeah.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  So they have their own elections for those areas, but then they're within LA County, so are we.

• 3:53Matt Farah?

  But like, I, I, like, it's weird because there are cities in LA County that are in some cases completely surrounded by the city of Los Angeles.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:05Matt Farah?

  Like Culver City is surrounded by city of LA on, on all sides, which is crazy. Um, it's like, uh, Swaziland. But, but, uh,

• 4:15Speaker 01

  It's like it's the sovereign nation, you know?

• 4:17Matt Farah?

  It's an island. But which, so it's, that's already crazy. And then even within that, like, okay, fine, you're not city of LA, you're Culver City. Why is there unincorporated territory still? My, like, my mailing address, and I'm not even afraid to say this, is, says Los Angeles on it. Like, it's, you, blah, blah, blah, Los Angeles, California. But like, why the fuck am I unincorporated?

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Marina Del Rey apparently is unincorporated, uh, and I don't know.

• 4:47Matt Farah?

  Is unincorporated?

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, or at least maybe, maybe just because that part of it, that's all green. I don't know. I also don't really know what unincorporated means in, in regards to like, in a city.

• 4:58Matt Farah?

  Oh, I know what it means. The, this, trust me.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Fewer laws, I know that.

• 5:03Matt Farah?

  No, no, when, when, when you eventually, if you choose to become a homeowner in this area that is unincorporated, which I am, then you really learn. Because it means you have private utilities. Like, it's not, um, LA Department of Water and Power, you know? It's not that. It's, we have, you know, a private, it's like fucking Gilded Age shit, right? Some like family-run, you know, utility. And then we also have private, uh, private trash. So we're, we're all that kinda stuff instead of, instead of city services. And then we also, instead of having LAPD, you have sheriffs. Um, and then, so that's like,

• 5:44Matt Farah?

  and then, oh, if you go to do, uh, renovations, for instance, you don't go to the LA Department of Building and Safety. You go to the county office, which is worse. Um, so, so yeah, those are, those are like the main things. And like, the sheriff's department, like, it sucks to be sheriffs and not, believe it or not, if you like, the LAPD sucks, but if you have to choose between the LAPD and the LA County Sheriff's Department, believe me, you want the LAPD.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Well, I think, the good thing about sheriffs is they're elected, or at least the head sheriff is.

• 6:20Matt Farah?

  The head sheriff is.

• 6:21Speaker 01

  But I don't think they do as much patrolling as LAPD.

• 6:24Matt Farah?

  There's way fewer of them and they haven't, in Los Angeles at least, there's like literally gangs.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  I mean, that is also an additional problem that people can Google and there's a lot of articles about it.

• 6:36Matt Farah?

  If you like the cops and it's prob, because there aren't enough of them to be effective. And it's problematic if you hate the cops because of the gangs. So like, they're, but, but, so if you have to choose, LAPD I think is actually better because at the very least, they solve one of those problems. Um, I don't know. It's not good. So anyway, that's what, a little inside, inside baseball.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  Mayor gets to lord over us, despite us not, uh, voting.

• 7:03Matt Farah?

  Right, right. But I do, I do, at least I had, there, there is one politician I, I really like and his name's Isaac Bryan. He's my assemblyman. And this guy rules. I've, uh, I've spoken to him a few times and I've, uh, been to a couple of his fundraisers and this guy's awesome.

• 7:19Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 7:19Matt Farah?

  He's a, he's a very, he's like a level-headed fucking normal human being who is trying to do like, on-the-ground shit to help, uh, help his community. I really like it. Um, so anyway, it's, it was election day. This is why we're, this is, when we're recording this, it is actually.

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Hopefully you all voted, wherever you voted, whatever you voted for, just at least do it. Because then you can't, if you complain about the things, but you don't go and vote, then you should STFU because you're not doing the one thing that you can do to help it.

• 7:47Matt Farah?

  The one, the minimum, the barest of minimum that most people still don't do.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, I did, mine was, I did this, I did, I vote by mail, you know, but, but I fucking dropped it in the bin this morning. Like, that's, that's not really, that's not how it's supposed to work, but it's fine.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  That's what I did last week.

• 8:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but you have, you have all this time. The thing's been sitting on my, I, I, the thing's been sitting on my desk for a month and a half. I could have, I could have done this.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  Dude, it's, I mean, I sat down at the computer and I think I spend usually like three hours going through the ballot and researching all the people and all the things and like, using, dude, I'm like, I'm like Charlie Day with the red string. I'm like, I got Ballapedia over here and I got all the like articles I find over here and I'm just like, who did it and who paid for this person to be here? What do they think?

• 8:30Matt Farah?

  I did it with Hannah.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  I just,

• 8:32Matt Farah?

  You did it by yourself?

• 8:33Speaker 01

  I did most of it and then, uh, she was like, you know, what did you get for answer number seven?

• 8:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. We did it together. It's, it's a good husband-wife activity, provided you, you know, mostly agree on your politics. But this election had some like, there's some deep cuts in there.

• 8:48Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna listen to what she thinks about this.

• 8:49Matt Farah?

  There's some, like, there's, there's like the last two pages of our ballot was like, a bunch of fucking no names running for like, deep, deep, random ass positions. Associate judges, like, like, look, it matters, but like, very hard to find information on a lot of these people. A lot of these people, they don't fucking exist.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Community college board members. I mean, do they make a website or not?

• 9:13Matt Farah?

  I don't give a shit. Uh, yeah, yeah. So, anyway, that's what we were doing last night was voting.

• 9:18Speaker 01

  Go vote. Make sure to vote for Trump for their term today. Write him in.

• 9:21Matt Farah?

  Oh, you, you won't be. If that happens.

• 9:23Speaker 01

  I wrote him in for everything.

• 9:24Matt Farah?

  If that happens, it won't because, because people voted for it.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:28Matt Farah?

  Um, but, uh, yeah, but, but speaking of things, just real quick, that are political, but not really. Yesterday I posted on Instagram some photos of the demolition happening at, down at the, at our Gardena West Side location, right? Where we're building, we're doubling the size of our facility. I bought the building next door and I, I put on, in the thing, you know, totally accurately, you know, three years later, we have permits and it has been, uh, obviously a struggle and a long time to, to get this thing going. But people really, uh, turned it into, and this isn't like me versus the commenters, but it, but universally,

• 10:09Matt Farah?

  people were like, used it to be like, see, California sucks. And I just wanna, it's just, it's funny because the pro, the reason that it took so long, yes, we're in California and yes, this took a long time. And yes, it was a paperwork reason that took a long time. It had, it had zero to do with the state of California. Nothing, there, there is, the state sets certain like regulations regarding like, you must have fire sprinklers and like, you must have these certain things to, like, you must have seismic footings to put in lifts. You must have basic safety measures, right? That other states don't necessarily make you have, right?

• 10:54Matt Farah?

  That's what the state does. The city is then what ends up holding you up in permitting. Like, like I just was talking about this LA Department of Building and Safety, or the County Office, or any of that. In this case, it's not even the fucking ci- it's not the state. The state just sets the rules, and this wasn't about us not meeting the rules. That's not even what this was. The city enforces the building codes, issues the permits, reviews the plans, all of that shit. And this fucking property isn't even in the city of LA. It's in the city of Gardena, which most people couldn't fucking, most people who live in LA couldn't point out Gardena on a map.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  But if the state didn't say, didn't make any regulations, then the city wouldn't have to enforce or approve any regulations.

• 11:42Matt Farah?

  Right, right, right.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Would some things fall down? Maybe.

• 11:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so if we literally had no building codes at all, no permit review at all, um, then, then we would never have to be held up in permitting. And I'm not, all of a sudden, I'm not trying to defend this city, because this city, this city hosed me pretty good on this. It costs a lot of money, a lot of time, a lot of frustration. And so, but like, I would like, guys taking a break today because support is coming in from Brian James Trailers. That's right, you've heard me talking about these guys. They are the leading automotive trailer manufacturer in Europe, and they have been since 1979. I now own a Brian James trailer.

• 12:26Matt Farah?

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• 13:54Matt Farah?

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• 16:21Speaker 01

  Right, well, one of our, one of our patrons, longtime Duffle Shuffle, shout out, he says, "My father owns a construction company." I know, met Duffle, he does not live in California.

• 16:30Matt Farah?

  No.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  Middle America.

• 16:32Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  Uh, very nice dude, what up?

• 16:34Matt Farah?

  Did we meet that fool at Road America?

• 16:35Speaker 01

  We did.

• 16:36Matt Farah?

  We met him in Wisconsin.

• 16:37Speaker 01

  I didn't want to dox him, because he's, you know, worth 80 billion dollars, he's not.

• 16:39Matt Farah?

  Just because we met him at a racetrack doesn't mean he lives there.

• 16:42Speaker 01

  No, that's true. But he, he says, "All building permit committees go to hell, your permit is down to the whims of whoever reviews the permit that day."

• 16:48Matt Farah?

  100%. Any bureaucratic system is down to the fucking vibe of that person, or those small people. And, and, and I was just, I had, I sent this photo to our buddy Matt Bell, who owns the shop in Seattle, and Dallas, and Houston, they do car storage, and social club, and restaurants, fucking class act.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  And which state is that in?

• 17:10Matt Farah?

  Tech, and he goes, and he, dude, the text he sent me back-

• 17:14Speaker 01

  I'm Bust Ram's hype man right now.

• 17:16Matt Farah?

  Dude, the text he sent me back, he goes, "Oh yeah, my, my, I have a building in Dallas that was approved for, Dallas, that was approved for something three years ago, and the fire department is now retroactively hosing me on the, on a permit." And when I talk to my contractors, shout out to Litchik Construction, they build shit all over the country, this is a huge company, they are only doing this, they built this building because it was a technological achievement with the concrete and the seismic, and they thought that was a good thing to put in their portfolio, because they built bridges and hospitals, and so, they want to be able to brag about buildings like this. My other puny-ass fucking bullshit buildings, they're only doing because they like me.

• 18:00Matt Farah?

  It's so far beneath them to continue building for me. But they, they just like me, they're car enthusiasts, and they've got like, their youngest member of the family is my superintendent, you know, I, I fucking love Charlie, like, he's great, but, um, and, but these, this is so under what these people normally do. So, they're like, I'm like, is this a California thing, is this, and they're like, "Matt, we build shit in, all over the country. You go, you go to any state, and there's some little bullshit thing, it's just a different thing." But like, because people, like, yes, California has more rules because of fires and earthquakes,

• 18:44Matt Farah?

  like, most places only have one or zero natural disasters to deal with. Normally, it's just like, weather, they can do basic rain, basic snow, like, that's your baseline, you know, or, it maybe it's floods, or maybe it's a ton of snow and cold. Usually, you've got like, one type of elemental challenge. California has fires, and it has earthquakes, and you're putting a bunch of gasoline bombs inside there. Like, so obviously, the standard is very high, but like, you, you talk about, you know, here it's for fucking earthquakes and fires, but in Texas, it's for livestock, it's, it's, it's your air quality, is your, what, your water quality for, you know, for, because someone's farming next door.

• 19:29Matt Farah?

  You know, there's just, every state has its own unique brand of bullshit, and, um, so it's just like, yeah, like, California has a lot of, like, you know, we, we don't live here because of like, good government, like, that's not why we live in LA.

• 19:45Speaker 01

  Well, California's also not perfect, but it's just, it's something, the, the reactions in the comments are something, we all probably do this, where an issue pops up, and our brain goes, "What do I know about this issue?" And if we, if we overwhelmingly have a negative, uh, idea about that place, you're like, "I bet this is because of the negative thing I know about." And it can have nothing to do about it, you know?

• 20:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, like, no, the negative thing also does kind of exist. This isn't that thing.

• 20:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:13Matt Farah?

  It's a completely different thing. And here's what actually happened.

• 20:18Matt Farah?

  We built our first building, which is open and remains open. It's very successful. It's sold out. It's great. We love it.

• 20:26Matt Farah?

  We, the, the building department found out, or realized, when we applied for permits for the next building, they came in and looked at the existing building. Because we said, "It's gonna be the same, basically, but with a little more office and like kitchen space. But it's gonna be basically the same." The, the footprints of the building are literally the same. It's a mirrored building. So, they go, "Okay, we'll just come in and look at this other building." Upon reviewing the original building, they realized that because our drive aisles were not 26 feet, they were 23 feet, and because we didn't build handicap spaces inside,

• 21:11Matt Farah?

  we couldn't be a quote "parking lot." If you're a parking lot, you don't need any special permitting. You just open a parking lot. If, if provided the land is zoned for it. Now, my land is zoned for a parking lot. But because I built this building indoors, and not to the code of like literally municipal parking lot code, which actually we did here. Because we built it from scratch, we didn't have a choice. You have a choice. But they went, "Oh my god, you're not a parking lot. Cause you don't meet the standard of parking lot. You have to get a conditional use permit to be an automobile storage facility."

• 21:56Matt Farah?

  And it's just paperwork. You, you just have to file for this thing. You have to pay a bunch of lawyers money to prepare these documents for you. You have to submit all your building permits. And this is for a business that's already open. Now, they let me stay open. They said, "We broadly support the business that you are doing here. We're not suggesting that you violated building and safety codes."

• 22:20Speaker 01

  But you're in the wrong category.

• 22:21Matt Farah?

  But you're saying you're, you're not the category that you thought you were. And like, in fairness, like, why wouldn't I think I was a parking lot? This is a parking lot, like, why would, you know, so, okay. But I admit, I fully admit, if this is my mistake, or contractor's mistake or something, then it actually wasn't the, and so the permit isn't actually to have the building. The permit is to operate the business. That's what the, that, this permit is for. So, not only did they make me go back and apply for this permit from scratch, which is a 18-month process, they refused to even look at the plans for the new building until it got approved.

• 23:05Speaker 01

  Makes sense.

• 23:06Matt Farah?

  It makes sense because you won't, you know, why would we use the resources on reviewing your plans if they can't even do this business? So, you could argue it makes sense. On the other hand, it would certainly save me a lot of fucking time if I could do them concurrently, because the, both processes were like a year. So, like, if I could do it at the same time, that's like one year less property taxes, a year less mortgage, zero income on a big commercial building. So, they wouldn't. I got the CUP. Then, they then made me start over with the plans, reapply. They had, I don't know, three or four, three or four rounds of notes,

• 23:50Matt Farah?

  each of which takes four weeks to, to lap. You know, before you know it, six months has gone by. Finally, the plans are approved. We go to begin demolition, and they go, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Your demolition permit has expired."

• 24:08Matt Farah?

  And we go, "Well, yeah, because you made us do all this shit." And they go, "Well, you're gonna have to reapply." And they, and they're like, "But the demolition plan permit was tied to our, um, construction permit, before, originally." It would, it could, it wouldn't remain tied to it? Nope. Start over. So, so that was, uh, 10 more weeks to get a demolition permit.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  10 more weeks?

• 24:34Matt Farah?

  10 more weeks.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  They couldn't just look at the paper and go?

• 24:36Matt Farah?

  Environmental testing. Now, they do some environmental testing at my cost. So, so, and all of this, all of it, had nothing to do with the fucking state. It's the city. It's this one little fucking office where like four people that have desks that all face each other, this is, this is it. And each one of these times you apply and resubmit, there's a fee. And so, you know, I've paid a lot of money over and over for this. So, it's, this is, this is the city. It's not the state. And, and, and none of it was because shit wasn't to California code. None of it had to do with California code. None of it.

• 25:19Matt Farah?

  It was all just shuffling around of paperwork and re-categorizing shit. By the way, I went in front of the fucking board. I stood in front of the planning commission. I, I, I gave this speech about how impassioned I am about this thing, but da da, but da da. I mean, really, they could have said, "You can't run this business," even though it was already open. It was fairly high-pressure situation.

• 25:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:40Matt Farah?

  All these people wanted to know about. They were very nice. They loved my presentation.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  All they wanted to know is, "Where's the Countach?"

• 25:48Matt Farah?

  Where's Donnie? Do you know where Donnie Callaway is? I, yeah. No, all they asked about was, "Are you going to store EVs? Are you, are you concerned about EV battery fires?" That was the, five, five guys on the board, or five people on the board, all of them had a, had a question about EVs and battery fires.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  So, their focus is just risk? And like, is it about the risk of surrounding businesses?

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  That was all they cared about, is, is there gonna be a fire that we can't put out at this place? That was really it. And so, I answered their, I said, "Look, we don't typically store EVs, but not as policy, but because they're people's everyday cars. And every once in a while, we'll have one in for a few days while someone takes their car out. And, you know, it's plugged into a low voltage outlet, and we keep them on this. And, you know, my insurance company doesn't have a problem with this at all. And so, I have a big insurance policy, and they're okay with it. And so, I'm doing everything I can, and, eh, you know, this is, I think there, that these, the, the odds of these fires are rare. They're highly publicized when they do happen.

• 26:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, you know, they, they catch fire less often than regular cars. And, you know, we've done everything we can. And if there is a fire, we don't have a lot of people around. So, if there's, you know, it's not gonna be a huge mass casualty event. Cars might burn, but it's not, a bunch of people aren't gonna die. You know, that's kinda the best I can do. And that satisfied everybody. But, but even, you know, I was sort of under the implication that when I passed that permit review a year ago, that I'd be like, "All right, bring out the hammers." All I'm, oh, that's fucking 30 minutes later of radio, but just to say, "Please direct your anger appropriately."

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Please email the city of Gardena.

• 27:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, leave them motherfuckers alone, dude. No.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  Matt's had to point my ire directly at you.

• 27:44Matt Farah?

  No, and, and, you know, and one other thing that happened, right, right after I got that pa-pass permit review, almost all the plan checkers retired and were replaced by new people. And were like, and all were like, "Well, I don't know what they said before, but..." I mean, it was that up and fucking down. It was, nobody wanted to go, "Well, this previous guy approved this, so it's okay." It was, you, I, I didn't, I didn't approve it.

• 28:11Speaker 01

  What if he's an idiot?

• 28:12Matt Farah?

  So, it was just, it felt like it went from malice to incompetence to fucking, who gives a shit? You know, and I'm meanwhile, I'm, you know, so. But we're going. That's like, that's, you know, it's like anything else. Like, when you fucking do a big hike, you do a big hike up a fucking huge mountain, and you think, feel like you're gonna die, eventually you, you get to the top, or you decide that you're at a point to turn around, you go back, three minutes later, you forget you've just done this whole big uphill.

• 28:38Speaker 01

  True.

• 28:39Matt Farah?

  Completely for, now, now this place is gutted. I'm like, "Three years? Wow, that went by, like..."

• 28:45Speaker 01

  You had other stuff going on. If, if you had, if you were only waiting for this, and you needed this, uh, the whole time, you would have been a stress ball.

• 28:52Matt Farah?

  No, believe me, if I wasn't paying for that mortgage, the Countach would have been done faster. I would have had a whole team of motherfuckers on it.

• 29:01Matt Farah?

  Resources were stressed out, you know?

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Fly the team in from Italy, just all of them descend like minions.

• 29:07Matt Farah?

  Valentino! Let's fucking go. Uh, yeah. Speaking of Italian cars.

• 29:14Speaker 01

  Mmm, very good segue.

• 29:15Matt Farah?

  Zach went to go drive an entire lineup of Maseratis, the entire lineup of Maseratis, right?

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, everything except their EVs.

• 29:23Matt Farah?

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• 30:48Matt Farah?

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• 32:59Matt Farah?

  Of course, it was lit like that.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  No, no, no. Well, they took that shop. I wasn't there for that event.

• 33:05Matt Farah?

  Wasn't that the, you weren't there for that?

• 33:06Speaker 01

  Well, so I did Doug's show the day of this dinner. And I was like, there's no way I get back from San Diego. And then it was the torrential rainstorm. It took me like four hours to get home from San Diego because of the rain. So I'm glad I told them I wouldn't make the dinner, which I didn't, but this is a very nice house in Malibu. But, so I drove the Gran Turismo, the Gran Turismo Cabriolet, and also the Grecole. My driving partner, who's a friend of our show, Jake Thues, Motorsports.

• 33:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Great driving partner to be paired with. I asked to be with him because I know he does a lot of racing. I was like, I trust this person. And the roads were like, damp here, muddy there, sunny there. And I was

• 33:45Matt Farah?

  Malibu, right?

• 33:45Speaker 01

  Malibu. And I was chilling the whole time, not worried about it. And he was definitely exploring what the chassis and the updates can do. So that was good.

• 33:53Matt Farah?

  We drove the Gran Turismo together.

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Yes, we did. The white one with red.

• 33:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't think we ever drove the Cabrio though before. I don't remember driving the Cabrio together. I drove the V8 one like forever ago, but not this generation. Yeah, yeah.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  No, so this, so the big boilerplate stuff is they haven't changed that much. But, but I do, I do, well, because I show up and, and look, I mean, they've revised the front fascia. They have some new, they have a new design language coming.

• 34:25Matt Farah?

  They've made it look a little like the MC20. I mean, the photo, dead on, in this photo, we're looking at sort of a bit of a front three-quarter of the coupe, and then there's a dead-on really of the convertible next to it, and dead-on, it very much looks like an MC20.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, you know, they pointed out, no pun intended, like

• 34:46Matt Farah?

  Also a little like an F-type.

• 34:47Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. The headlights are very F-type. So the bumper is like pulled from their Time Attack race car. They're gonna make all this like, you know, change their bodywork and make it slightly more angular. But if you look at it quickly, it looks the same as it's looked since kind of 07, 2010. And for a long time, I was really negative about this car. It was like I would needle it for that. And then I sat there and went, well, the 911, with the exception of one generation.

• 35:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  I mean, they've grown. They look different in that way, but like, they look the same. It's the same formula. So I shouldn't really shit on Maserati for doing that with the Gran Turismo, because I think it's a fantastic looking car.

• 35:23Matt Farah?

  You don't fuck with greatness.

• 35:23Speaker 01

  It's a great-looking car.

• 35:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, the Bentley GT also, you know, has looked, you know, silhouette, essentially the same for 23 years now.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:35Matt Farah?

  I mean, they've done a great job of, you know, improving it and whatever, but like, you know, other people do this too.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  It's very true. I think, you know, Maserati had like, they just don't have the money some of the other brands do. So they develop things more slowly. But anyway. So some of the bigger stories are the Grecole, at least for now, only comes with V6s. They got rid of the two liters that we used to get here. So you get a V6 with, was it 360 horsepower? Or the bigger one has like 530 horsepower with the big Trofeo one. Couple other updates, like the Cabrio now has a little more strut bracing in certain, certain places. They got rid of a bunch of cheap plastic buttons inside where you, like the Prindle, the P R N D L, P R N D.

• 36:19Speaker 01

  Those are milled aluminum now. The thing about that is like, they're mounted on plastic actuators. So when you push them, like, it's not as solid as pressing on this laptop. You know, in the dark horse, all those buttons down below the HVAC, like you push one to the left, all of them move.

• 36:35Matt Farah?

  A little bit, yeah.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  This isn't quite that, but it's 40% of the way there.

• 36:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's kind of shanty on the Mustangs.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  That's a little annoying. But, you know, ZF8 speed, the cars are all-wheel-drive, and they have electric versions coming out, which are like 700 horsepower. But they got this awesome new, this satin green color is sick.

• 36:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:55Speaker 01

  It looks so good in, whether it's dark or light out or whatever. But the big takeaways after I drove all these cars that day is like,

• 37:05Speaker 01

  you know, in the pitch, they're like, this is a car aimed at grand touring. We invented the term, whatever. Like, this is an excellent car for that, truly. I think it rides more comfortably, even with the air suspension, than, than like a turbo. Now, I haven't driven the new turbo with the active suspension, but it's not

• 37:25Matt Farah?

  It says air sus, the coupe has air suspension?

• 37:27Speaker 01

  No, sorry, the Grecole doesn't.

• 37:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, your Grecole does, yeah.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  This just rides a little bit softer. But then you get in the canyons, steering ratio is absolutely the right speed. Like, is a great steering ratio, feedback is pretty good. The front-wheel drive only gets engaged like under the slipperiest moments. So I could, I could feel it, but not in a way that it upset the chassis at all. It would like step out a little bit, you know, in the damp stuff, like just when Jake was, was pushing a little bit. It just feels so natural at so many things. So I think the breadth of skills this car has is, is really wide. Seat is really comfortable, and it's like a front mid-engine car. But I don't know where the engine is because the front visibility is fantastic. It's like, the hood falls away.

• 38:13Matt Farah?

  The front wheels are a really long way away.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  They are.

• 38:15Matt Farah?

  But when you can turn in sharp, it's like, like a Ferrari 812 kind of thing.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, but you don't feel as far away, or like, it doesn't feel like a Morgan. It feels really natural to drive fast. But somehow, the engine is like, is flat or something, where the front vis is just incredible.

• 38:33Matt Farah?

  Wasn't it the Netuno?

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 38:36Matt Farah?

  Isn't that a big, it's a big, flat one, right?

• 38:39Speaker 01

  And it really, it really matters versus something like, I don't know, Mustang or Vets or 812. I mean, those, it's a, it's a much squintier cockpit. This felt almost like a mid-engine car in terms of visibility. Super comfortable thing to drive around in, very quiet. And then, I mean, the Cabrio was basically the exact same formula.

• 38:58Matt Farah?

  Chassis rigidity?

• 39:00Speaker 01

  Actually, very good. I did the arm test. You have to be one of us with your arm there, and you have to be paying attention in the corners and go, oh, the pressure on my hand did change a millimeter. I mean, it's almost unnoticed.

• 39:14Matt Farah?

  Okay, that's pretty good.

• 39:15Speaker 01

  It's pretty damn good, dude.

• 39:16Matt Farah?

  Well, I'm getting the coupe, I think. I think the coupe.

• 39:20Speaker 01

  They said, they said they're waiting to confirm.

• 39:22Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 39:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:22Matt Farah?

  I think, I think I'm getting the coupe for, for a little road trip ski in December, so.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Let me see.

• 39:28Matt Farah?

  We will, if not with the convertible, but I expect it to be one of them.

• 39:33Speaker 01

  Let's see what my other phone missed anything. Yeah, just like a very, very comfortable thing to drive very, very long distances. Oh, there were, the one weird negative about the coupe or the Gran, the Cabrio didn't really matter, is the like overrun exhaust burble sound. The duration of that, and I'm gonna call it a fart because that's kind of what it sounds like. Varied and we couldn't figure out why. Like, and, and as we went up in sportier modes, the duration got longer, which in my, is illogical. I feel like if you're, you know, in Trofeo mode and you're on the gas and you're shifting, it should be like, like real quick, right? But it would draw out the, and it was, it was getting longer.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  And then we, you know, we both, we both played with this. Jake and I both were like, okay, let's try downshifting here. Let's try 50% throttle. Let's try full throttle. And it was just, it varied a lot. It was like how much theater it would add was really up to what mood it was in.

• 40:32Matt Farah?

  Just random. So it has to, it has to put in Italian-ness to this, uh, yeah.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  It was strange. And it sounds pretty good for a V6, but when that verbally thing is drawn out, I don't think it's the most pleasant sound in the world. And it was just strange how long it would take at times when you would think like the shift is happening quick, but, and then, I mean, the thing rips. It's very fast.

• 40:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but it's just like dribbling, it's just dribbling fuel into the exhaust instead of like a quick, a quick hit of it.

• 41:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, you want like, like you want a bullet of fuel, like an instant of fuel where it goes.

• 41:11Matt Farah?

  It should be like a crack.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  It should be a crack. It's not a crack. Sometimes it's 15 cracks. Sometimes it's seven.

• 41:17Matt Farah?

  Shelby is a crack.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what you want, especially when you're in race mode or whatever you want to call it.

• 41:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 01

  And then Grecoli, like great looking SUV, comfortable car. It's a, it has basically the same interior. The funny thing about it is, you know, it's got the class leading interior space. Where's that thing? But it's because it's a slightly bigger car than the Macan.

• 41:42Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  So remember this, like we drove the Levante and they did the same thing. They're like more interior space than the Cayenne. You're like, and how big is it? It was like bigger than the Cayenne.

• 41:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  So, uh, but this is also a very nice thing to, to drive around. It's quick, it's powerful, interior looks great, basically, you know, same functionality. Um, but the, the one thing that stood out as a negative is the air springs on this, which it does have, not as refined as Cayenne.

• 42:08Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 42:08Speaker 01

  Like you over, we were on Mulholland, I think coming down, yeah, coming down Mulholland. And there's got like a lot of heaves in the middle of turns. And you'd kind of hit one and you'd feel the air spring bottom out. You can almost feel the balloon getting pushed outward.

• 42:22Matt Farah?

  You hit a bump stop?

• 42:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, it felt, it felt like you're hitting the air bump stop and then it would kind of push you back up. And it's something I have felt in the past on air suspension and I don't like about it. Where I feel like with Cayenne and some of the other cars we've driven, you get like the dual chamber, air spring, whatever, it just feels so good that you don't even notice that that's happening. That's something that I pay attention to with, with air suspension.

• 42:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like Panameras and the higher end Ticons and stuff.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  DBX was good at it.

• 42:50Matt Farah?

  DBX, those air suspensions really are, yeah.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  They feel like a, just almost like a coilover.

• 42:57Matt Farah?

  So this just doesn't have the response.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  It does have the response.

• 43:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you can load it up once and unload it, but when it does the double load.

• 43:04Speaker 01

  Correct. And you feel it push back where in a moment you don't want it to push back. It's still hall ass in the thing. I mean, they're great things to rip around on and you just don't see these very often like this or the Gran Turismo.

• 43:16Matt Farah?

  These are cool. The Grecolis are really cool. I like them. I'm stoked to do a couple hundred miles in the, uh, at performance car of the year. I mean, I really liked the Gran Turismo and it was the previous generation of car, but it wasn't until you drove it in a group test on a racetrack where you were like, yeah, this doesn't really have it, but if you, if you didn't go on a racetrack, it's lovely.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  And I think they were like, we invented grand touring. And I went, I didn't say this out loud, I'm like, that's what you should be saying. Cause otherwise you are going against Porsche, which you can't.

• 43:47Matt Farah?

  No, they should be going against the Mercedes SL.

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I would rather drive this than an SL.

• 43:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah?

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 43:53Matt Farah?

  That, would you rather drive the coupe than an AMG GT?

• 43:57Speaker 01

  The new GT or the old GT?

• 43:59Matt Farah?

  The new one, the one they make now.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  The one that's an SL, basically.

• 44:03Matt Farah?

  But it's better, like we, we know the, if you get a GT R or one of the, the Pro, whatever they're calling it, the one I just had before, like that's a better than the SL.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  I think the, the performance ceiling of that car, meaning like how fast it is, how, how good it is on a track, is probably higher than this one.

• 44:21Matt Farah?

  It is.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  But I prefer, even though I don't like the dual screens in this car, I think the lower screen is unnecessary. You could replace it with buttons. I prefer that. I still prefer it to the AMG's giant tablet, giant screens everywhere. This felt like, uh, I guess in a, in a modern time where everything has a wall of screen, this does feel a little bit better. So I'd rather drive this than the, the new AMG.

• 44:42Matt Farah?

  I wonder if I'd like, if I'd rather drive this than the Dark Horse SC. I mean, it's clearly like prettier and, you know, more exotic and whatever, but in the, you know, the Dark Horse is definitely faster, probably has better gearbox and certainly has higher limits in every way.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it depends on what you're doing with the car.

• 45:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a good, that's a good, that's a funny comparison, especially because the price of the car you drove, when you option those, they get up near where these start.

• 45:12Matt Farah?

  What is the base?

• 45:13Speaker 01

  But I think there's cash on the hood usually with these things. Um, what does it say?

• 45:19Matt Farah?

  These are like nice, but the one we drove started with a two and it should have started with a one.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 45:27Matt Farah?

  These were, it shouldn't be.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  The new one's going to start at 141 and 152, depending on your engine choice.

• 45:38Matt Farah?

  Well, that sounds a lot better.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  Trofeo starts at 166.

• 45:40Matt Farah?

  Oh, the trophy, yeah, yeah. It's expensive.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  And if you put, get some, I mean, ours had heated cooled seats. And if you get the convertible, we had the air scarf, like great thing to drive around, but that's probably going to be a $200,000 car on the sticker.

• 45:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  What, what you actually take it home for, I don't know. But I do think it's, it is good, it's a really good car, but you go, ooh, 200 grand. I don't know. 170, sure.

• 46:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The two is where they, they lose me at two, but it's, but it's very nice. I can't wait to drive it.

• 46:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:10Matt Farah?

  Should be nice. Um, in other exotic car news, Mike Keane of Keane Auto Works, Bedford Hills, New York, has been in touch with someone at Aston Martin Works in Newport Pagnell, uh, in the UK. And they have located a single and possibly the very last old school clutch at Aston Martin Works, which I have purchased. So if anyone else needs a clutch for their Aston, y'all can go fuck y'all self. Uh, and we talked about this a bunch on last show. So if you have no idea what I'm talking about, go listen to last show. But, uh, we thought we were going to have to like make a clutch. We are not.

• 46:54Matt Farah?

  We found the clutch, the, the individual clutch. Um, yay. And, uh, I'm not going to say what the number is, but Zach and I got back from the Dino this morning, where we ran our modified, now modified by Flat6 Motorsports, Soul Performance, BBI and M Engineering. And it put up a number that was substantially higher than I was expecting.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  On the way down, because I had driven the car and you had, and I said, I think the number will be this. And you looked at me, you're like, you're insane. And.

• 47:31Matt Farah?

  I didn't say you're insane, but I said, I think you're a little optimistic.

• 47:34Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 47:35Matt Farah?

  The number you said at the wheels, I thought was maybe going to be the number at the crank.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:40Matt Farah?

  And then it was more than both of those.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, it was pretty amazing. It was an amazing day.

• 47:46Matt Farah?

  This is a very fast car. Um, and, uh, we will be talking about it in detail in, in good time, but, uh, cause the, the giveaway begins on December the 11th with our 992 Carrera T. But, uh, well, we have more things to reveal on it later, but, but that is going to be delicious.

• 48:04Speaker 01

  If you have a 911 T and your ex-wife's new boyfriend has a GTS, you call Flat6.

• 48:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. This is the kit.

• 48:11Speaker 01

  Get your wife back.

• 48:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this is, this is the kit you will, you will need. You don't.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  Tase them down on the track.

• 48:17Matt Farah?

  You do not need a GT3. This is, this is going to, this thing will fucking walk all over a GT3. It's very, very fast. Right, well, we can go to the people. Should we?

• 48:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:28Matt Farah?

  It's been that time? Yeah, that's, it's the right time.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  It is the right time.

• 48:30Matt Farah?

  Um, let's go to the people and, uh, oh, on the way there, um, I, we were talking about resetting the Instagram algorithm a couple of shows ago. I did. I successfully, there's a way to do it. Someone sent me the procedure. It's not that hard, but it's buried in some menus. And, uh, instead of all the like depressing animal content that I'm getting now, I started getting and engaging with, um, like cat shows, like fancy cat shows and, uh, much more positive.

• 48:59Speaker 01

  Like when people bring their cats to it, like a.

• 49:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, like a judged cat show, like best in show.

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Like a beauty pageant, okay.

• 49:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, like best in show.

• 49:06Speaker 01

  All right.

• 49:07Matt Farah?

  Um, but the, the guy, there's like a guy who's a main like judge for the cat shows. And it's really his Instagram. And, uh, as he's like, you know, giving out, he's describing the features you're looking for in the breeds. It's a very positive experience, very beautiful kittens, much better. I recommend everybody reset their Instagram algorithm, the day after election day particularly.

• 49:27Speaker 01

  So this is a show where they're just making some cats feel bad because they don't look like the way the optimal cat should look. Got it?

• 49:37Matt Farah?

  100%.

• 49:40Matt Farah?

  If you're in Miami, last chance to come see us at the Time to Drive Festival this coming weekend. Our live podcast at the festival is gonna be 5 to 6 p.m. with a meet and greet afterwards. And our guest will be Indy legend Scott Dixon. Super fucking cool. It's gonna be a good time. And lots of really cool cars and watches going on down there. A couple buddies that have setups, secondhand stores, watch places, they're gonna have booths set up. And I know Grand Seiko's doing a big thing down there. My pal Joe Kirk from Grand Seiko's gonna be down there. Spike and Johnny and Larry Chen are all gonna be there, too.

• 50:21Matt Farah?

  So come on out if you're in Miami and see us live. And if you're a patron, you can get your ticket to our podcast within the festival for free. The code is up on the Patreon page. Of course, patreon.com/thesmokeandtirepodcast is where you watch the livestream, ask questions for the show, get the show early, the day it's recorded, instead of waiting. Get extra show every month. Get shows without ads, and I mean, like, there's no ads. And even more. All kinds of extra things, such as the Tactile Turn pen collab, which I believe is sold out. Thank you for supporting. I hope you guys like your pens. Are they sold out? Still in stock? Maybe a few in stock. It's still on their site? Maybe, alright,

• 51:05Matt Farah?

  maybe a couple left. There was only a few left, last I checked. There was like 10 left as of a couple weeks ago. So if you want one, they probably won't last very long. Unless there's like, gonna be three up there forever. I don't know. It's a good pen.

• 51:19Speaker 01

  We made 8 billion in 4. 8.1 people.

• 51:24Matt Farah?

  You always wanna make, it's like the Corvette ZR1. The market is, you know, 1500, and they made 1503. Depreciation. Seasons in the Abarth. Is that a play on something? I don't know. Is there a possibility the new Porsche Mission S will be a constant model in Porsche's lineup, like 911 and 718, where there will be a base model and then upgraded variants like TGT, SGT3?

• 51:54Matt Farah?

  Possibly. Like if it's the 928 or something like that, the 969, or whatever the fuck they wanna call it, and then there's a 969S, 4S. Totally possible. I doubt-

• 52:11Speaker 01

  That's a good question, cuz like, if they're able to add a little more power, or separate trims a little bit, they'd probably like to, cuz there's always profit margin. But like the 918, there were no engine choices, right? It was like, you get this, you can choose colors.

• 52:25Matt Farah?

  That's it. I think it'll be more like that. I think that it'll be called GT1, or something to that effect. 917, maybe, or something like that. And then there'll just be Vysoc. I don't think there'll be a further, cuz look at the interior. That's, it's already pretty GT'd up. I doubt, I doubt there's much room for lightweighting further in this car. So I just think Vysoc and non-Vysoc, probably. It would be cool, but yeah, I think it's non-limited edition, at least, but, for now, but I don't think there's gonna be that many sub-variants. Green Day Wu, what make has the largest spread in value? For

• 53:10Matt Farah?

  example, at Maserati, you could find a junk Gran Turismo for like $8,000, but an MC12 is like 10 million.

• 53:24Speaker 01

  I would guess-

• 53:25Matt Farah?

  Mercedes.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  You think Mercedes?

• 53:27Matt Farah?

  Sure. The most expensive car ever is the SLR, right?

• 53:31Speaker 01

  100 million.

• 53:32Matt Farah?

  100 million. And I could buy, I could buy a Mercedes for $5 right now. You won't like what it looks like, but I get free Mercedes right now, but you're not gonna like what it is, you know?

• 53:43Speaker 01

  That's what wins. You start with the most expensive, cuz every car company has a shitbox that barely runs somewhere.

• 53:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. You can only, you gotta start at the top. That's that math. That's a trick. It's a good SAT question.

• 53:53Speaker 01

  It is, but they all, you also have to choose a company like Mercedes that has also made normal cars. Like Ferrari, the spread is not gonna be as big, but you know.

• 54:00Matt Farah?

  For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but you can definitely find a Mercedes for $2, and also for 2 million, easy. 20 million, easy. Dre from Houston... Wait.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  I don't know what a softronic tune is.

• 54:22Matt Farah?

  Sorry. The first part of the comment was nice, but was not necessarily relevant. Okay. EyesUpFara says, when you bought seats in Lemons Races, what outfit or company? Oh shit. It was Chris Overzet. His name was Chris Overzet, and I don't know if he's still doing it.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  For Lemons stuff, I found-

• 54:44Matt Farah?

  He probably is. That guy didn't have a lot of career prospects outside of Lemons Racing. He was very good at Lemons Racing, though.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna speculate on that, but there is a Facebook group that helps pair drivers with Lemons teams, like nationwide. I don't remember what it's called, but if you search, you know, Lemons Rent a Seat, or whatever, like, I just remember it was on Facebook, and look for that.

• 55:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't, it's been a long time since I actually raced in Lemons itself. Jeff Klucker would probably know, or better than me. In WRL, I can tell you a couple, but that's a different type of racing.

• 55:20Matt Farah?

  Goodwill Hunting says, do you see watch brands working directly with manufacturers again, the way Cartier did with Lincoln back in the day? Well, they still do. IWC and Mercedes still work together. Bugatti and Jacob & Co. still work together. Bentley, Bentley and Breitling still working together? Someone just got a watch. Someone just told me about a watch they got that was a Breitling, that was car, maybe, though there was maybe an Aston Martin Breitling?

• 55:54Matt Farah?

  Now it's like the Formula One teams, really, you'll have that inspiration, the watch, the watch manufacturer that works with the Formula One team will, will then have a watch for that. I mean, the Lincoln Cartier Edition was pretty corny.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  The Cadillac F1 watch keeps failing to work. It's a little slow. Sometimes just stops keeping time. They're having a tough season.

• 56:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, they still do. They still do. Yeah. Christian in Chicago, oh, heard me talk about the 911 SC, and what's update on the allocation? That's gone, brother.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think you must've missed the show where you drove the Spider, and you're like, never mind, I love this car.

• 56:37Matt Farah?

  Never mind, my car's better. Wow, a whole bunch of questions we don't have answers to. Deactivate Cylinder Firing wants to know, a good company to get track day insurance? I have never bought track day insurance once.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  I haven't either.

• 56:53Matt Farah?

  Don't know.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  I would, I would look for forum advice on that, or Reddit.

• 56:56Matt Farah?

  If any other Patriot, patrons wanna go into the comments or the questions for this show, which is gonna be Tuesday, the 3rd.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Thursday, the 5th.

• 57:07Matt Farah?

  Well, when it airs. I meant, oh, I meant, yeah, here. Okay, fine. The comments for the show, recommend a track day insurance company. That would be helpful. Okay, My Waistgate has a smelly burble. Do you guys prefer the South Korean or European style of highway driving, where everyone goes exactly the same speed, but it's always moving, or the US style, which allows you to speed, but also allows left lane coasters and right lane overtaking?

• 57:37Speaker 01

  I prefer here. I mean, South Korea was, it was annoying that everyone went the same speed, cuz there were so many cameras. So here, like, yeah, there's left lane lurkers, but now you just turn the next lane to the right, that turns into the fast lane. Just because you have freedom of movement. In South Korea, no one did that. Everyone was just like locked in and just standing in line, essentially. So I find that frustrating.

• 57:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I would, too. When I, like, it's so funny, cuz like, it is, I can admit that the European way of everyone just kinda driving, is more effective at moving people from place to place as a mass. Like, it really is. But also, it makes me more tired to drive like that. Like, I just get like monotonized out, and like zoned out, whereas like, if I'm proactively moving like a salmon through traffic, and like making passes and moving a little quicker, I'm much more engaged.

• 58:33Speaker 01

  You're getting a little dopamine. It's a game to you. Yeah, totally.

• 58:40Matt Farah?

  It's a paddock, not a Seiko, given that Maserati is trying to influence public perception, as every car company does. What is the one thing they need to fix to get people to buy their products?

• 58:52Speaker 01

  They need, they need to win something or do something like this, this year is their centennial, they're celebrating their, sorry, they're celebrating their 100th anniversary of the first race they ever won. Okay, that's cool, that's the thing we're celebrating, but they haven't won anything in a really long time, and I think they just keep reaching further and further back in time and be like, we used to race in Grand Prix. And eventually, the generation that knows that or is willing to hear it is going to die, like literally, and that's why a month ago, I was saying that Maserati, I feel like, you know, they're struggling, but maybe for good reason. I think they just need to do something cool with their cars that grabs more attention.

• 59:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:31Speaker 01

  And I don't know what it is, they're, you know, they want to be this like luxury grand touring, travel around brand, that's fine, but I think, I think they just need to do something cooler to stick in, like even Mercedes is focused on being a luxury brand, they're also winning F1, like they've added the sports car thing and they have racing in their heritage, but they keep reminding people that with all this money, they can still go and win races if they want to. I think there's brands that do a good job of that, or like Dodge just burns tires to the ground and does cool shit, you know, you just have to, you have to show up and show people like, here's why we're still cool, it's not just because of what our grandparents did.

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's true. The thing like, Maserati has made like competent cars, but just kind of banked on the name that like, the idea that like Maserati sounds real cool to say, and their cars have like pretty curves, like regular cars with pretty curves.

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  You know what Maserati is? They're Aston Martin with no James Bond movies. That's what they are. They need, they need to sponsor, they need to sponsor a movie franchise.

• 1:00:36Matt Farah?

  Oh, it's fucking cold as ice, it's so true.

• 1:00:40Speaker 01

  Relaunch Jason Bourne, and for some reason, he's always driving Maserati's.

• 1:00:43Matt Farah?

  Dude, I, you know, I don't, I don't anymore, but for, I don't know, 10 years, I got that Aston Martin magazine, which is just called Vantage. Every issue, every issue.

• 1:00:56Matt Farah?

  You'd think, I mean, you'd think they'd run out, but no. Every issue, it's James Bond this or James Bond, this is, you know, my father doesn't give a shit about cars, like never has, probably never will, like, the only reason this Aston Martin was given to him, specifically this Aston Martin by Ralph, is because he's a fucking James Bond freak, that's it. Like many men of his age, he is a James Bond freak.

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  I just rewatched a couple of them in the last couple of weeks, so yeah.

• 1:01:25Matt Farah?

  It's fine to be that, it's totally fine to be that.

• 1:01:28Speaker 01

  It's funny, the magazine is just that.

• 1:01:30Matt Farah?

  It's every issue is fucking Bond this, Bond that, like God, thank God you've got that, because boy, not winning, I just read today that Lawrence Stroll has collectively lost $2.3 billion on Aston Martin.

• 1:01:44Speaker 01

  Well, and I, yes, and I think that the finances are separate from F1 and Aston, the road car company, so it's not like, I don't think the F1 business has lost all that money, it's like the car company has, which sucks because they've changed all these things, they've improved so much the interior, like it's a much nicer car to be in.

• 1:02:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  But people aren't buying them, yikes.

• 1:02:05Matt Farah?

  Well, they're, they're, they're so, yeah, I mean, it seems like people are only buying really expensive shit right now, if they think they're going to get the money back on the other end, and then some.

• 1:02:24Speaker 01

  Good point.

• 1:02:25Matt Farah?

  That, that's what, it's not that people, if you aren't selling a product that somehow people think will appreciate in value, you're not looking good right now, you know, or something custom, like fully custom, like homes or whatever, but like, you know, Sam told us the other day at Willow Springs, he's like, if you're not fucking selling shit to billionaires right now, like you're probably not doing so good, which is like, kind of right.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  I think the stat is like, the 1% are doing 50% of the purchasing or something crazy like that, but that's a great point, like, everyone has moved, you know, 90s, early 2000s, before the whole game became about appreciation, people were just spending their money on, oh, I'm rich now, what do I like? I like Maserati's, Aston's, whatever, and now it's like Ferrari and Porsche, they know will go up, or they hope, it seems like it will, and it just pulls all the money away and the tide goes over there.

• 1:03:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:03:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, if you, if you, if you're not spending money on a toy, you're investing in an asset class, dude, capitalism is a hell of a drug. I mean, if you, you know, the, the kind of folks that I talk to, that are my customers, you know, many of them purchased all kinds of like regular production cars in 2022, fully expecting these things to appreciate, like based on the fact that from 2019 to 2021, when they started paying attention, they did, you know, and it's like, man, I'm sorry you feel that way, like, you know, these things are, they're toys, like, some people

• 1:04:06Matt Farah?

  get real lucky with timing, but like.

• 1:04:09Speaker 01

  People should go back to treating them like toys.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  It'll be good.

• 1:04:12Speaker 01

  Like, it would be good for brands, it would be good for, like, you're, if you're rich now, just have fun and stop being.

• 1:04:19Matt Farah?

  Spend the money.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  Stop being such an ass.

• 1:04:21Matt Farah?

  It's like, it's just, it's really addictive, it's tough.

• 1:04:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Matt Farah?

  Especially if your friends, you know, your peers, whatever, even richer than you, it's just like, it's very, very, very difficult, I'm, I'm like, even though I buy like stupid shit all the time, I'm, I like, I'm kind of, outside of cars, I mean, it's really, it really is just cars, outside of cars, I kind of like, have what I like need, sort of, and, and so like, I'm kind of happy, I don't like want, like more, a lot more stuff, or how, like a house, like, you know, even like, I could afford like a boat if I wanted, but like, oof, another thing, like, oh, yikes, like, we saw Amelia at Willow Springs.

• 1:05:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:08Matt Farah?

  God, I love Amelia, I mean, what a, what a great girl, what a fucking wonderful human being she is. She told me she has 28 cars, I'm like, what, what are you doing?

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  She's kept every car she's built except one, she said.

• 1:05:21Matt Farah?

  I was like, oh, there, because you know, she doesn't do drugs, she doesn't really party or drink or anything, I was wondering when I was going to find out what her vice was, and then I learned that she's never sold any of the cars, I was like, ah, there's your heroin, we found it.

• 1:05:41Speaker 01

  Pretty cool, good for her, she'll have a museum or something eventually.

• 1:05:45Matt Farah?

  You're, yeah, you can't, that's crazy, 28 cars to yourself, just not selling them, fuck.

• 1:05:51Speaker 01

  I respect that, it's a lot, it's a lot to manage, especially when so many are like crazy modified cars, like they're not all just turnkey, you know, work all the time for 20 years.

• 1:06:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:01Speaker 01

  But, very cool that she has all those.

• 1:06:05Matt Farah?

  Jay Cat, is there anything new, better, or different you've learned from WCCS Construction that you'll be implementing into the new one? For sure, bro. Number one is, don't build from scratch, renovate, that is, despite what's just happened with this, this building, renovating an existing building rather than building a new one is paramount, and, and number two is, if you want to grow your revenue in this business, the best way to do it is to grow your space without having to hire more staff, I mean,

• 1:06:45Matt Farah?

  I like employing people, it's not about, I'm not trying to, to AI help my employees, I'm not building robotic puzzle stackers, we, we got people to do stuff, but having a new location in terms of another manager, another, and another full staff, another full location versus this new building, we're, we bought the building next door to the building we already had, and the staff could easily, at either of these locations, handle twice as many cars as they've got, the fact is, most of them don't, don't leave very often, and so, the staff could easily handle twice as many cars, using the staff we've

• 1:07:29Matt Farah?

  got, or maybe hiring just one or two additional low level, you know, detailers, the valets, those type of people, as opposed to hiring an entirely new manager, you know, having an entirely, another, another location in our QuickBooks, another like, you know, if we can make our existing locations bigger, rather than having more locations, that's obviously ideal, so, there's two other buildings in the, in the business park where that, where that building is, and so, if either of those buildings ever came up for sale, I would buy them immediately, because, I mean, my staff down there could probably handle triple the amount of cars, and I've already got the plans to renovate them, they're all the

• 1:08:12Matt Farah?

  same footprint, so whatever, so, yeah, that's, the more cars, if you've got a good location, the more cars you can serve there without having to find the next location, the better. Yeah.

• 1:08:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:27Matt Farah?

  So.

• 1:08:29Matt Farah?

  Duffle Shuffle, hello, uh, I want to, okay, used market, I want a summer daily driver slash bachelor's road trip car, that's a good term, I've not heard that term before. Is it too wide of a net to cross an M2, 5.0 Mustang, Nissan Z, GR Supra, and C7 Grand Sport, all manual? No, that's not too wide of a net, all of those cars serve roughly the same purpose, right? They just, some have a backseat, one has a backseat.

• 1:09:08Matt Farah?

  M2, 5.0 Mustang, Nissan Z, GR Supra, C7 Grand Sport Corvette. Yeah, all 400 horsepower-ish, all rear-wheel drive, all around 60,000 bucks. Different characters.

• 1:09:21Speaker 01

  Very, yeah.

• 1:09:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But like, those are the 400 horsepower rear-wheel drive cars on the market, pretty much, right?

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, they're all, with the exception of the Vet, they're all, they would all be competitors if they were all brand-new. Like, a magazine would bring those.

• 1:09:39Matt Farah?

  Would do that.

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  All four of the, you know, yeah, the Z, the M2, the Mustang, and the Supra would all be in a magazine shootout together. So, the C7, like, yeah.

• 1:09:46Matt Farah?

  I'm pretty sure 2023 Performance Car of the Year, maybe 2024, 2024 Performance Car of the Year, we had Dark Horse, current M2, non-CS, and Nismo Z Automatic.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:04Matt Farah?

  In that, in that magazine test, and maybe even a Supra, possibly.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  So, that's the right net, that's a pretty narrow net, and then the C7 is a great addition. I mean, that's a fantastic car.

• 1:10:15Matt Farah?

  The C7 Grand Sport is a really nice car. The 5.0 Mustang and the M2 both have backseats if you need them, which could help. The Nissan Z and the GR Supra are, are competitors. The Supra, I think, is actually a little quicker in the real world. I like the Nismo Z better than I like the Performance Z. The Performance Z is, is a little less interesting than I think the GR Supra 3.0 manual, to me. Grand Sport, which one would you buy, Zach?

• 1:10:59Speaker 01

  Um, Summer Daily. I think I'd probably get, I'd probably buy the Grand Sport. It's got, because it, I think it looks exciting. It's, it's more agile than the Mustang, but it sounds like a Mustang, because it's got a V8. So, it sounds great, performs great, you know. Duffel lives up in Wisconsin, so like, you could go take it to Road America, it would be awesome there.

• 1:11:23Matt Farah?

  It would be.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  Be careful, but it would be phenomenal on the track. Those things get crazy good gas mileage somehow on the highway. Like, it does, the C7's amazing, it does so many things really well. I'd rather have a C7.

• 1:11:35Matt Farah?

  I mean, the C7's like better.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Vipers are cool, but when I sat in them, I, even, I'm not that tall, but like, I have a long torso, and I couldn't see stoplights, and I had to scrunch forward a lot.

• 1:11:44Matt Farah?

  The windshield goes.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  Ergonomically, it's just.

• 1:11:46Matt Farah?

  It's a vertical windshield, and then the roof line goes really far forward, whereas the Corvette has a raked-back windshield that comes more to you.

• 1:11:54Speaker 01

  The ergos of the Viper are very similar to the Supra, actually. I feel like they, they feel, I just feel a little more claustrophobic in those cars, without any real benefit. So, I would go Grand Sport.

• 1:12:06Matt Farah?

  Sure. Uh, yeah. If a warranty was not that important, I'd find a great Grand Sport. You know, like, the newest, nicest one you could find for your budget. Otherwise, Summer Daily? Ooh, M2, man, like, a great last-gen M2, yeah.

• 1:12:33Speaker 01

  The M2 will be the quietest on the highway, probably just because of the inline-six engine. It's just, there's less vibration, it'll just be a little bit easier to run around long distance and stuff.

• 1:12:42Matt Farah?

  But also, the M2 would be most easily tunable.

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:12:46Matt Farah?

  Supra, maybe also, tie.

• 1:12:48Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 1:12:49Matt Farah?

  Tie.

• 1:12:50Speaker 01

  B58.

• 1:12:51Matt Farah?

  Tamarian's Balbonner. Would you rather own and lightly modify an Audi RS3 or an F80 M3? Pretty similar in price on the used market, M3.

• 1:13:02Speaker 01

  M3.

• 1:13:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, M3.

• 1:13:04Speaker 01

  That's one of the great generations of M3, in my opinion. And the, just soften the suspension, make it more sophisticated, and that's a great car.

• 1:13:11Matt Farah?

  I do like an RS3 a lot, but I, and the engine is very cool, and I know that engine can make a ton of power. But I feel like you can't improve the chassis all that much, so, once I had that extra power, I wouldn't really know what to do with it.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  I think it becomes more of a straight-line car.

• 1:13:32Matt Farah?

  A drag car.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  It becomes more of a drag car, because you have the whole complicated all-wheel-drive system, but it's ultimately a front-by-a system. And they've improved that a lot with, every year with that car, but that means that buying the older one is not as good. You know, you're just, you're sacrificing a lot.

• 1:13:48Matt Farah?

  I think with an F80 M3, you could have a car that would end up being very balanced, if you did it right. If you didn't go, you don't want to do those tunes with that engine. There are almost, a lot of, there's a lot of really shitty tunes for that engine that make the torque spike, like, terrible. So, you, you want a linear tune, and in some cases, that even means bigger turbos. To reduce the torque spike, you put a bigger turbo, and you get more power, but it's like, more linear. It's not that big shove right away that everybody hates. So, but I'd rather, I'd rather go with the three. Phineas Taylor Cruiser, have either of you driven a Citroen DS?

• 1:14:30Matt Farah?

  I have driven a Citroen SM two different times, which is the two-door sportier one. Alex's, the DS is the four-door one, not as sporty. So, they're awesome and fucking weird. I've never driven a DS, though.

• 1:14:45Speaker 01

  I think they look so cool. But Jethro has one, and he just wrote an article, possibly for RT. Yeah. I think his dad had one. He, he has that story where they've had one in the family for like, 50 years, and I'm pretty sure there's an article in this month's or last month's Art Road and Track about it, so go Google that.

• 1:15:02Matt Farah?

  Oh, that's awesome. Partial-zero nocturnal emission vehicle. I saw, okay, wait. I saw a student driver in a Tesla Model 3, which made me realize how different learning on an ice versus an electric car is. Do you think learning on an electric car could be detrimental to a driver in a world where there are still ice cars? This was in Germany, where if you learn on an automatic, your license is only to drive an automatic, so a similar thing could be implemented of only having a license, etc. So, how different it is?

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  It'd be interesting if Germany lets you do one pedal for your driving instruction. Because that, I feel like if you get in an EV that has one pedal turned off, it's the same as driving an automatic, like, use the brake, use the accelerator, fine. Like, I think there's enough overlap there. But if they let one pedal, then, you know, someone hops in a gas car, and they just left, lift off the gas and crash into somebody.

• 1:16:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, you know, there was, I, I sit down at these dinners on the road and track experiences, and, and there's almost always somebody at these things that is extremely overconfident in their Tesla. They're, they're always, they're always using the FSD, always. They trust it 100%. They're bragging about the things that they're not doing, not, they're doing while they're not paying attention to their car. And I, I don't want to fight with these people. All I can tell them is like, just, you know, he's lying to you to make money, so, please be careful, because this system will work just fine right up until it doesn't, and when it does,

• 1:16:50Matt Farah?

  they're going to do everything they can to make sure it's your fault and you look bad. So, just, that's, those are the facts, so, take them. This person told me that they would only allow their teenage driver to use a Tesla with FSD. And I'm just like.

• 1:17:10Speaker 01

  Do you know who would be the least responsible with an FSD system? A 17-year-old.

• 1:17:16Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:17:17Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:17:18Matt Farah?

  I was like, you're just gonna, you're not going to teach them to drive. You're going to teach them to do something that isn't, like, driving.

• 1:17:26Speaker 01

  Do you know how much attention I would be paying to my girlfriend passenger if I had an FSD car?

• 1:17:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  When I was 17?

• 1:17:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  The rest of the world never mattered more than your girlfriend or your boyfriend, like, the hormones are everything. So, the outside world, there's trucks driving by, or police cars, you know, I don't care, let the computer handle it. I'm handling something else. That is, that's a terrible idea.

• 1:17:52Matt Farah?

  Crazy, crazy.

• 1:17:53Speaker 01

  And I say 17, because 16, you're still afraid to drive, and you're very focused. 17, you start feeling confident.

• 1:17:59Matt Farah?

  I, I understand a car with ADAS, I guess, because.

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  That makes sense.

• 1:18:03Matt Farah?

  Because that's the kind of person that may have tough time with lane control if they're a new driver, but goddamn, you gotta, you can't give a kid a car that subtly encourages them to not drive.

• 1:18:16Speaker 01

  Well, because I think the ADAS systems are great for helping with distractions, right? Like, it auto brakes, it, you're distracted, you're not paying enough attention. Teenagers are distracted, phones, friends, whatever, like, it takes a lot, it takes a lot more bandwidth for them to drive a car safely. They're trying to deal with that while handling the rest of the world. But if you give them something that they no longer feel like they have to pay attention to, and they won't, because kids are usually really quick and confident, they're going to be like, it, it's been perfect for a week, and then they're going to stop paying attention, and then something might go wrong.

• 1:18:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. If you, if a kid does something twice without getting in trouble, then it's fine. You know what I mean, or without crashing, like, oh, it's fine, no problem.

• 1:18:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:57Matt Farah?

  So, anyway. Queer shift in gears, raced Lemons at Summit. Back at my first-ever race, 12 people gave me the same advice. Be predictable and provided zero, provided zero elaboration. That, that advice meant nothing to me, having never been on track or wheel-to-wheel. Have you received similar useless advice? So, I don't think.

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:19:24Matt Farah?

  That advice is, I think that advice is very good if you provide a little bit of context to what that fucking means.

• 1:19:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:19:33Matt Farah?

  What that context means, if you still don't understand, which I think you probably figured out, or anyone else, it means, if you are.

• 1:19:44Matt Farah?

  A novice in racing, which is fine and happens.

• 1:19:51Matt Farah?

  You being predictable means you're fucking doing, even if slowly, the thing that the car that's gonna overtake you expects you to do. That really means you're driving on the racing line. And if they're gonna pass you, then they have to go off the racing line to pass you. Like tha- and that's fine, it's normal. You're not like being in the way. That's like how racing works. And so if you get all panicked up because you don't really think you're going fast enough and cars are trying to get by you, and you start putting your car in unpredictable places,

• 1:20:34Matt Farah?

  eh, in places a car shouldn't be, then that's what's really gonna fuck everybody else up. Versus driving the racing line, being where you're supposed to be, but just going like slowly. You know, and more timidly than others. Like, it's okay to be slow, it's okay to be timid, as long as like, your car's gonna be where I think it's gonna be, so I can get around you without crashing. Like, that's what, what that really means. And so, the extra bit of description probably would be very helpful in that case.

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  I laugh because there's a thing where people like, when you're, when you're part of a world or an activity and you just, you have the innate knowledge at that point, and you think you, I think you have that innate knowledge. And so I give you this phrase that I'm like, "He understands," because everyone around me understands. And I don't explain, and then that's when things go wrong.

• 1:21:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you gotta, you gotta go back to the beginning a little bit.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:23Matt Farah?

  So, so that's, that is good advice, as long as you give the proper context, yeah. The other useless advice I was given was much, much worse than that. Which I wrote a whole column about how stupid this advice was, because it turned out to be completely fucking untrue. Which is that when you are racing, you are never coasting. You are full, you're accelerating as hard as a car possibly can, or you are braking as hard as a car possibly can, and nothing in between.

• 1:21:53Speaker 01

  Except for the S's at Cota with Mateo, where you're 2% brake.

• 1:21:56Matt Farah?

  Except for, except for as it turns out, if you're very, very good, in which case you are coasting and using small percentages of both throttle and brake, all over the goddamn track. So that's worse, yeah. There's plenty of times where you coast and use a little bit.

• 1:22:13Speaker 01

  But I remember when you wrote that article, because I think it was like a month after you wrote it, that we raced in Vegas against each other in the Legends car. And I was coasting for two seconds before each turn, and you beat me, and they're like, "Well, that's why." Because I was going, "Wah, lift," and then turn in, and you were going, "Brake gas."

• 1:22:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, I mean, certain types of, certain types of corners, it is the deepest braking and the hardest gas. And other types of corners, it just ain't. Like, that's what I'm, it's, it's not black and white like that. Like, the fastest way through any given corner isn't to coast into the braking zone. But the fastest way through some series of corners is to coast, which is crazy. Now, I also had to, it wasn't necessarily just coast. I entered the S's on the throttle through the first turn, in which I never would have done before. It was brake, turn, gas, turn, you know, brake, turn, gas, turn, brake, like that.

• 1:23:11Matt Farah?

  But, but it, Tato's way was, gas, lift, gas, coast, brake, brake, gas. Like, totally, totally different. But you had to take, you took the gas 200 yards deeper into the corner before coasting. It was fucking, if you, no one told me that you could do this, and I was just talking about this, with Ryan Briscoe, actually, because we were talking about F1 at Cota. And he's going, he's going, "Mate," because he's Australian, "mate, these guys are taking this line out of the S's that I've never seen before." And, and he pulled up and he showed me on his phone, and I go, "That's the Tato line!"

• 1:23:53Speaker 01

  No shit.

• 1:23:53Matt Farah?

  "They're taking the Tato line."

• 1:23:55Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:23:55Matt Farah?

  "I go, 'That's the fucking line.'" I go, "This is the line that only this dude in this entire race knew about taking, and every one of us was able to make passes coming out of there."

• 1:24:05Speaker 01

  Aston Martin, hire Tato, Sidemen, put him in the car.

• 1:24:08Matt Farah?

  All the F, the, all the F1 cars are taking that line, yeah. Crazy.

• 1:24:11Speaker 01

  Lance might not be.

• 1:24:14Matt Farah?

  Crisp Bacon, eh, you always talk about the Icon sun visors, so I looked them up, and I came across the Rosen brand of sun visor.

• 1:24:26Matt Farah?

  Is that the brand that Icon uses, and would you consider using them? Well, they do use aviation, they're from planes. Yeah, I mean, that, that looks like them, I mean, give or take, yeah. That's really cool, these are great. I mean, they're, they're clear tinted. It's like putting on a pair of sunglasses with your visor, so it doesn't block the scene. It just, it's like a heavy.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  I think it's a really clever thing.

• 1:24:49Matt Farah?

  They don't even look very expensive. $327 fits a Land Cruiser.

• 1:24:53Speaker 01

  I will, because I will say that the, the visors in, or nine eleven T, your Taycan, basically modern Porsches, are so slim. They were, they're helpful for half an hour. If the sun dips below that, it's coming in the windshield, and from the side, it's useless.

• 1:25:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I do like these.

• 1:25:07Speaker 01

  These are awesome.

• 1:25:08Matt Farah?

  I would, I would put these in, um, you know what I should put these in? The Benzito.

• 1:25:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:25:15Matt Farah?

  These would be dope in the Benz.

• 1:25:21Matt Farah?

  They're just regular ass visors.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  Ooh, well, the thing, I paused because it's a convertible.

• 1:25:26Matt Farah?

  Because it's a convertible?

• 1:25:27Speaker 01

  So if you have the top down with the visor in front of you, I mean, granted, it's blocking the sun from your face, but it almost feels like a waste. I feel like having the visor in your Mercedes that's gonna be like color matched to the interior is more important, but, eh...

• 1:25:42Matt Farah?

  These are probably the ones that Icon uses, to be honest with you. They look just like them.

• 1:25:46Speaker 01

  It's tinted plexiglass.

• 1:25:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're super, super cool.

• 1:25:49Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 1:25:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:50Speaker 01

  Last one.

• 1:25:51Matt Farah?

  Uh, Uli Kunkel's Autobahn, is the 10-cylinder engine officially dead? Can't think of any production cars with a V10 that's joined the dustbin of history. Yeah, no V10s right now.

• 1:26:04Speaker 01

  Maybe.

• 1:26:04Matt Farah?

  Is there still a Ford V10 in the vans? Ford, is the, is, is the Ford Triton V10 the last V10 going? That would be crazy if it was.

• 1:26:19Matt Farah?

  I don't think the V10 was ever, it's dead?

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  I think the Triton's dead, because there's an article from six years ago, it was like, "Remember the V10 Triton?"

• 1:26:29Matt Farah?

  Because these things were in all the Cruise America RVs, they're in all the chassis cab E-Class, eh, like 350s.

• 1:26:39Matt Farah?

  I think it is probably dead for the time being, until, unless someone wants to come out with a new one. I, um, I don't think a V10 is like, an idealized number of cylinders, really, for anything.

• 1:26:57Matt Farah?

  I don't, eh, you know, like, there's, the V12 has perfect balance, and, and other cars inline this has perfect this, and V8s have the perfect tone with their firing order and whatever. I don't think there's anything where it's like, the V10 is best, the best cylinder count configuration. Like, the V10 Lamborghini and Audi engine was great, which was sort of based on, and then based back on the, the five-cylinder, blah, blah, blah. But, I don't know.

• 1:27:30Speaker 01

  You, well, you can buy a box truck with a 6.8-liter V10. Eh, it's a new 2026 Ford medium-duty truck, eh, so they have 650 chassis.

• 1:27:40Matt Farah?

  Has a V10.

• 1:27:40Speaker 01

  Apparently, still comes, you can still get it with a V10.

• 1:27:45Matt Farah?

  Did it say the horsepower?

• 1:27:48Matt Farah?

  It's probably fucking horrible. It's probably 450.

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  It's very bad. So this is fordauthority.com, um, 650 makes 320 horsepower at 3900 RPM, 460 pound-feet torque.

• 1:27:59Matt Farah?

  That's a terrible engine.

• 1:28:01Speaker 01

  Get an EcoBoost, I mean, this is why, like, they run EcoBoost V6s, or, you know.

• 1:28:07Matt Farah?

  That shit is trash, dude. Yeah, that's so, so you, it's not dead, but it's, it's in a fucking iron lung. That's horrible. Alright, good show. Thank you, everybody. We're gonna be in Miami, eh, this weekend. Come out and see us, should be a good time. And then, eh, we'll have more Smoking Tire Podcast when we get back. Patrons, we love yous, we appreciate yous very much. And, um, I've really been thinking about doing a new Blazer. The, I thought, I've been thinking about it, some colors, doing something a little different, a little interesting. Something I haven't really seen much of before, but I think we could make work. And, eh, yeah, here's hoping that that clutch actually shows up. The last, the last.

• 1:28:51Speaker 01

  I'm just glad the guy didn't go, "Yeah, how much you, how much you willing to pay for this thing?"

• 1:28:54Matt Farah?

  I know, right?

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  It's the last one.

• 1:28:56Matt Farah?

  Aston Martin, they need it. As much as a Valhalla.

• 1:29:00Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:29:00Matt Farah?

  Keep this thing going. Alright, love yous, guys. We see you later.