The Kia Soul is Dead. Cost to Insure My Cars? Jaguar Land Rover is Back!

Have a question you want answered on the podcast next week? Ask HERE https://crsnbds.com/PODQUESTIONS Welcome to THIS CAR POD! Doug DeMuro & Friends offers weekly expert insight and opinion, on the breaking automotive stories, the car market, and audience Q&A. Thank you to our sponsors! https://claude.ai/cars right now for 50% off your first three months of Claude Pro Get up to $200 off Square hardware when you sign up at https://square.com/go/carpod! #squarepod Upgrade your wardrobe and save on @trueclassic at https://trueclassic.com/CARS ! #trueclassicpod MERCH! https://merch.carsandbids.com FOLLOW CARS & BIDS! YouTube - @carsandbids Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/carsandbids/ TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@cars_and_bids Twitter - https://twitter.com/carsandbids FOLLOW ME! Twitter - http://www.twitter.com/dougdemuro Instagram - http://www.instagram.com/dougdemuro Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/ddemuro CHAPTERS 00:00:00 Introduction/Car News 00:00:22 Kia Soul Is Dead 00:02:46 Hyundai Is Making A Truck! 00:07:29 New Standard Tesla Models 00:09:57 Jaguar Land Rover is Back in Production 00:14:04 Claude AI 00:15:29 Lamborghini Concept Car 00:17:11 More Offroad Lambos!? 00:22:21 Ferrari's New Test Track Addition 00:24:46 Porsche is Pulling Out of WEC 00:26:47 Square 00:28:29 Talk Cars! 00:28:36 Doug Still Wants a 993 00:31:15 Nick's Mercedes SLR Update 00:37:16 Nick's Fiat Multipla is LEGAL 00:40:06 Nick is Selling His Murcielago 00:42:53 True Classic 00:44:11 Doug's Lamborghini Supercar Theory 00:48:23 Cars & Bids at Road Atlanta 00:50:23 Harry's Garage DROVE a Ferrari 250 GTO 00:56:54 Market Report! 00:57:07 BMW 1M Market Report 01:03:57 C4 Corvette ZR-1 Market 01:06:55 Mid-Engine GTI 01:09:20 Questions! 01:10:06 Tasteful Cosmetic Modifications? 01:16:57 Do You Take Breaks from Car Enthusiasm? 01:20:03 How Much Does it Cost to Insure Doug's Cars? 01:22:54 Do You Ever Stall Your Manual Cars? 01:25:09 Larry Chen Visited the Sultan of Brunei Collection 01:27:45 Final Thoughts #carsandbids #dougdemuro #thiscarpod Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to This Car Pod.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  I am Kenan.

• 1:08Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Nick. Nick is filling in today. Filippo is gone. He's in Atlanta.

• 1:12Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:13Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan's gonna be there soon at the Road Atlanta Track Day at the Petit Le Mans.

• 1:18Speaker 03

  Petit Le Mans for IMSA. Very exciting.

• 1:19Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo's already there because he's filming some video of the Aston Martin. You'll find out all. We have to start with the news.

• 1:23Speaker 03

  Nobody knows why, but yes, to the news.

• 1:25Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, Kia. Folks, the Kia Soul is being canceled.

• 1:30Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:31Doug DeMuro?

  You know, there was a time not long ago where this was the most popular car in Kia's lineup.

• 1:36Speaker 03

  Totally. I've been seeing, I mean, this ad in particular, when they did the mice dancing thing.

• 1:41Doug DeMuro?

  It was hot when the ad first came out and all that, but I think like the beginning, like late first gen, beginning second gen, maybe 10 years ago, it was truly the most popular car in Kia's lineup.

• 1:50Speaker 03

  And now it's dead.

• 1:51Doug DeMuro?

  And now it's dead. Small cars are hard to make money selling. The market has moved on. People want SUVs. I also wonder if Kia has kind of made the decision, like, they're gonna start stepping up into like, the Telluride has become so popular, like, they're gonna start trying to stepping up into like more... You know, they can make more profit, like a more legitimate kind of stuff as opposed to being associated with like tiny cars, which was all we know about Kia for so long.

• 2:17Speaker 03

  Oh, for decades, yeah.

• 2:18Speaker 04

  It seems like the opposite of a Halo car where it anchors people to a, oh, they make crappy cars.

• 2:24Doug DeMuro?

  They make little, right, like the Soul. That's right. That's what you think of. For a long time, you thought of Kia. Honestly, this is like one of the main things you thought of.

• 2:30Speaker 04

  You think of hamsters in a Hain people mover.

• 2:33Doug DeMuro?

  You don't like how it looks?

• 2:34Speaker 04

  Funny enough, when people come to me about my multiple that I just got, I equate it to the Kia Soul because it came in that same green. It's ugly as heck, but it is super practical.

• 2:46Doug DeMuro?

  Why are you saying heck?

• 2:47Speaker 04

  The Kia Soul fits all of those criteria as like the modern Korean version of the multiple.

• 2:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, it's not anywhere near as weird looking as the multiple.

• 2:54Speaker 04

  I don't, not good looking.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  But it, but it's, I don't, I don't think generally, the public doesn't consider to be one of the most ugly cars.

• 3:02Doug DeMuro?

  No, I think.

• 3:03Speaker 03

  Multiple gets damaged twice.

• 3:04Doug DeMuro?

  In part because the Soul became so mainstream and that like we just sort of, we just sort of, you know, accepted it. We got, we got to know it.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, they took inspiration from a hamster, not a platypus. Good design choice, but.

• 3:17Doug DeMuro?

  You don't like how the Kia Soul looks, really?

• 3:19Speaker 04

  I mean, I wouldn't be caught dead driving it.

• 3:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but that's because you wouldn't be caught dead driving any compact car. Like, don't you?

• 3:24Speaker 04

  Driving one right now.

• 3:25Doug DeMuro?

  If, if you were dri, if you were going into the dealership to buy a new compact car, you could do a lot worse than a Kia Soul.

• 3:32Speaker 04

  The cube was worse.

• 3:34Doug DeMuro?

  You could end up in a 2013 Ford Focus. Uh, Nick's got a Ford Focus.

• 3:39Speaker 03

  Cuts a little focus.

• 3:40Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe that's why he anti Soul. He's, there's like a competitiveness here.

• 3:44Speaker 04

  I'm soulless, you might say.

• 3:46Doug DeMuro?

  Give us the next news story, please. Kia Soul's gone. Hyundai. Other news story, we didn't cover this when it was announced, which was three weeks ago, but Hyundai kind of slipped into like a quarterly news update that they are developing a body on frame pickup truck.

• 4:01Speaker 03

  Wow. Uh huh.

• 4:03Doug DeMuro?

  There's no pictures. There's no anything. They, all they have said is they are developing an in-house. So this isn't going to be like a shared with Toyota, whatever. In-house body on frame pickup truck, midsize pickup truck in the US market, and it will come by the end of the decade.

• 4:17Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 4:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 4:18Speaker 03

  Well, that's, that's a big deal. Maybe someone there is listening to your, as you've been standing on your soapbox for a while, saying that more manufacturers need to be making that because that's what people

• 4:26Doug DeMuro?

  It's interesting because I have a suspicion an SUV will also accompany it.

• 4:30Speaker 03

  You have to imagine.

• 4:31Doug DeMuro?

  It seems like that makes the most sense. Ford doesn't do that, but Toyota does it to great success.

• 4:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:35Doug DeMuro?

  And of course Nissan did for years with the exterior and the Frontier. And I, I wonder,

• 4:40Doug DeMuro?

  does Hyundai, like Honda's sitting here and going, I'm not sure.

• 4:47Doug DeMuro?

  Do we have a plan?

• 4:48Speaker 03

  And Hyundai's like, we're gonna do it. We're just gonna do it.

• 4:51Speaker 04

  Do you think this, are they thinking of the US market in particular? Like there's a Toyota Hilux and a lot of like Asia Pacific body on frame trucks.

• 4:58Doug DeMuro?

  Hyundai sells, or Kia sells that Tasman thing overseas. But I think it's unibody. It, it sounds like they are developing this. All they said was it's going to be in the US market, but they didn't say that it's not going to be global. For all we know, like, like other vehicles, it could be. Like the Ranger is global.

• 5:15Speaker 04

  It would seem silly not to come up with a global concept. It just, will people in America that like love the F-150 and Silverado and Ram do a Hyundai pickup?

• 5:24Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's a, it's gonna be a midsize, so it'll be a competitor for the Tacoma. And I think that in the midsize segment, people are a lot more willing to allow imports because, I mean, they already have the Tacoma's but outsells all the other ones.

• 5:35Speaker 04

  Do you ever see people in Toyota pickups and think, huh, why don't they like America?

• 5:39Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 5:40Speaker 03

  Because that pickup is made.

• 5:42Doug DeMuro?

  Well, actually that pickup is built in Mexico. Because that pickup is built in a North American country. No, I don't think that. I think that those people.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  You also sell this to a Toyota man here.

• 5:52Doug DeMuro?

  My truck was built in the US. I want to be clear about this. My Toyota truck.

• 5:55Speaker 04

  The camouflage fenders, give that away.

• 5:57Doug DeMuro?

  My Toyota truck was built, you know what? I had a buddy today, send me a picture, we'll, we'll get it posted here, of a Sequoia TRD Pro where they had swapped out the fenders camo for white fenders from a regular Sequoia? And you know what? It looks worse. I prefer the camo fenders.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  No way. Are you sure it just looks different and you're just, that initial feeling is?

• 6:15Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna show you and you tell me what you think. But this does not look like an off, like a meaty off-road vehicle.

• 6:23Speaker 04

  He doesn't like paint match fenders. Remember the, the Cayenne? He thinks it looks like a diaper.

• 6:26Speaker 03

  Oh, and he likes the WRA.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  He can't handle the loss on fender flares.

• 6:30Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I think an off-road vehicle should have plastic flared fenders.

• 6:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 6:34Doug DeMuro?

  And like my E450 All Terrain.

• 6:35Speaker 03

  You want the XRT look. You're still in that platypus thing like you.

• 6:38Doug DeMuro?

  I do. I do. I want to show off. Listen, I pulled off all my TRD Pro badges, but I want to, I want to show off a little. And I think that this looks like a Lexus TX. It looks like, it looks like a Sequoia TRD Pro that's asking for permission. Oh, could I be a Sequoia TRD Pro, please?

• 6:55Speaker 04

  It does neuter it a little bit, but I, I think the hierarchy goes carbon fiber fender flares like the four by four squared. Then paint matched, and then camo, and then plastic, actually.

• 7:06Doug DeMuro?

  That's the hierarchy. Carbon fiber is number one.

• 7:09Speaker 03

  You didn't ask for.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  That's a serious off-roader.

• 7:11Doug DeMuro?

  Hopefully Hyundai will offer carbon fiber fender flares on their midsize truck.

• 7:15Speaker 04

  On their body on frame.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  At the very least camo.

• 7:18Doug DeMuro?

  It's interesting also to develop a body on frame truck in this day and age. Like we're moving to electric vehicles. We're moving to these kind of pod cars that, that sort of all look the same. And you know, the, the designs are getting, the interiors are getting pulled out. There's like oval shapes. They're developing what's probably going to be a muscular body on frame, like go do it pickup truck. And that's pretty cool.

• 7:36Speaker 03

  That is pretty.

• 7:36Doug DeMuro?

  They believe that this, that market will be around long enough to justify the development of such a vehicle.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  I just hope it doesn't look like the Santa Fe. Santa Cruz is what you're thinking of, the pickup truck.

• 7:46Doug DeMuro?

  I, I, it'll be curious. It'll be interesting to see what they do. Like, will they keep the Santa Cruz a car-based truck? In addition to a body on frame? I imagine not. I imagine Santa Cruz is a one and done generation.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  Why didn't they name that the Baja? I guess they couldn't. I guess they'd get upset about that, but.

• 8:01Doug DeMuro?

  I, I think that, I imagine if Hyundai's doing this, I imagine there will also be a Kia version. And perhaps it will have hamsters.

• 8:09Speaker 03

  Perhaps it will have hamsters.

• 8:11Doug DeMuro?

  Also, one other interesting thing about the thing, the body on frame truck thing is that there's no real powertrain that seems like it would work. I'm very curious. It'd be very interesting to see what happens in the next few years. A body on frame Hyundai truck. Take that Honda. We're not really sure. I don't know. Do we do it?

• 8:28Speaker 03

  I can't move on. Tesla, which Filippo's not here, so it must be your story?

• 8:33Speaker 04

  It is my story, shockingly.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  Wow, I'm surprised at that.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  Two things interesting with Tesla going on. One, they had a record profit in Q3. So the sky was falling. They had a rough first half of the year. Because the subsidies were ending, I think they were able to pump a lot of sales. But still, for someone that was in the news for so long for not doing well, a record Q3 is

• 8:53Doug DeMuro?

  It is important, though, really important to highlight.

• 8:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:56Doug DeMuro?

  The subsidies ended the day that Q4 started.

• 8:59Speaker 04

  Right.

• 8:59Doug DeMuro?

  So a ton of people pulled forward their vehicle purchases or leases into Q3. And EVs had declining sales in Q1 and Q2, and actually a significant increase in Q3 due to the subsidies. I bet you Q4 ain't as good.

• 9:12Speaker 04

  But that being said, all right, so we lose that price discount, basically.

• 9:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 9:18Speaker 04

  However, they're rolling out new base models that will be cheaper. They're removing some features, et cetera, et cetera. But those cheap Teslas that had been promised for so long are finally going to become a thing. Likewise, they, you know, they're continuing to refresh these models. Like, it does feel like, like it just felt so dark for Tesla for so long. Like, I think they could get a good Q4 out of having a lower price point.

• 9:38Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, especially if they really do have these entry-level cars. I think what a lot of people are looking for in this car is an affordable thing.

• 9:44Speaker 04

  Right.

• 9:44Doug DeMuro?

  Like, an affordable commuter. Like, almost everyone I know with a Tesla has a fun car, but like, wanted something they could commute in and just not care about. And so, coming out with a base model. Now, one of the things I read is that the base model, some of the things will actually, like, they won't include some of the self-driving type stuff, which will be interesting. Um, I think that's a big component of why people are interested in these cars. But it sounds like it hasn't been perfectly explained yet, and I'm curious to see where it actually all ends up.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  I mean, if you could add it later, like, as a software update, then it's people like me that, like, only pay attention on the purchase price. They'll be like, okay, I got it cheap, but then my next bonus or commission check, I'll upgrade it.

• 10:21Doug DeMuro?

  His next commission check.

• 10:22Speaker 04

  This is how America thinks, right?

• 10:24Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's talking like a Tesla owner.

• 10:25Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 10:26Speaker 03

  Nick is such a deep sales guy. It really fits.

• 10:28Doug DeMuro?

  But good Q3 for them, and obviously that was due to the subsidy. I am incredibly curious, and I think it will be incredibly interesting to see what happens to the electric car market this quarter. Uh, I have a suspicion the bottom is going to absolutely fall out, except for the really high-end stuff, where people probably weren't relying that much on the tax credit, anyway. For instance, I bet Pininfarina Batista sales will be fairly similar in Q4.

• 10:50Speaker 03

  They'll go from zero to zero.

• 10:53Doug DeMuro?

  That's correct.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  Yes, yes. Mirror the Aspark Al sales numbers.

• 10:58Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Give us what's next.

• 11:00Speaker 03

  Oh, yes. Sticking with factory. So we've talked about Jaguar Land Rover for a while. Their factory was shut down due to a cyber attack. Well, they've opened back up again. We're filming this on Wednesday. They're starting production again today. It's starting a little bit smaller. They're beginning with just like the engine assembly plant and the battery assembly plant. But it said by the, but it was announced by Jaguar that by the end of the week or end of next week, they will be back to operational.

• 11:23Doug DeMuro?

  Did they pay a ransom?

• 11:25Speaker 03

  I didn't say if they paid a ransom or not.

• 11:27Doug DeMuro?

  Probably wouldn't want to announce.

• 11:28Speaker 03

  Problem was dissolved. It went away as things go away.

• 11:31Doug DeMuro?

  They gave the hackers a couple of new full sizes. And in Russia, that's like giving them a million bucks.

• 11:37Speaker 00

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• 12:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it all worked and they got to mark off two is sold. So in the end, it actually worked out for everybody. But yeah.

• 12:14Doug DeMuro?

  Well, this makes you really think that your car isn't all that special, huh? Sitting on the frame rails, wheels not on it. Like they're just building. Like this isn't, what, what do you get? It's all about, then they put on the style to make you think it's cool.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think Porsche people in particular should go to the factory and see how the cars are assembled and are moved around. I watched, when I was there, I watched like just a new GT2 RS or a new GT3 RS rather, just on a trailer, just in the rain, just being pulled around. That car will never see rain again.

• 12:39Doug DeMuro?

  I remember. I'll never forget this. One time, we, there was a significant snowstorm in the north of Germany, which is where the cars leave from. They leave from the port of Emden. And a significant snowstorm and someone at the port, I was, I worked with someone who was at the port there and they sent me a picture of all these Porsches completely covered in snow. And just covered. I mean, it was like bad, like the trains were covered in snow that brought the cars from the factory to the port. And I was thinking to myself, someone on Renlist is going to advertise one of these cars in 20 years, never been wet, only ever used waterless, you know, never ever been wet.

• 13:15Speaker 03

  Meanwhile.

• 13:15Doug DeMuro?

  It's like, meanwhile, yeah, it actually sat under a foot and a half of snow when it was just a unit at the port. Nobody cared.

• 13:21Speaker 03

  Right. That's, that's exactly right. It kind of takes the, the romance off.

• 13:24Doug DeMuro?

  Glad that Jaguar Land Rover is getting back into production. What could we have possibly done without new discoveries?

• 13:30Speaker 03

  Right. That's sure. They did also announce though, that in the, in this, sales up until that point, until September 30th, they noted from last year, were down 24.2% compared to the year prior. They're trying to blame some of this on the shutdown, but I don't think that was necessarily what caused it, although it was certainly.

• 13:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's hard to know because Jaguar Land Rover is in this weird situation where their production constraint, I mean, to be clear, Jaguar is not producing any cars. So that probably has some component of the, the sales decline. But Land Rover is also like a little weirdly production constraint, like Range Rovers are still on waiting lists, maybe new Defenders are to an extent. I don't know.

• 14:05Speaker 03

  I wonder if Defender still is.

• 14:07Doug DeMuro?

  Probably not, but it's still a hot car, even at five years later.

• 14:10Speaker 04

  I think they have a nice lineup right now, or at least a reasonably good lineup.

• 14:14Doug DeMuro?

  You want a Discovery Sport?

• 14:15Speaker 04

  I want a Defender.

• 14:16Doug DeMuro?

  You want to, do you?

• 14:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:18Speaker 03

  Really?

• 14:19Doug DeMuro?

  Really?

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Why?

• 14:20Speaker 04

  In terms of like cool three row SUVs, it's still, even with the diaper on the back, that makes it a little ungodly.

• 14:27Doug DeMuro?

  The regular 110 offers a third row. It's just.

• 14:29Speaker 04

  Which would probably be fine.

• 14:31Doug DeMuro?

  You drove mine, didn't you?

• 14:32Speaker 04

  No.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  I drove that. It was a.

• 14:36Doug DeMuro?

  It was fine. You know what it was really good at was being off road. Like, looking back on it, it was a beast off road on the, both on the sand and we took it to the desert here a couple of times, like rock crawling. It was like quite impressive.

• 14:47Speaker 04

  And I truly think it, it still looks nice. It's aged well. Like it, it doesn't look like a five year old vehicle.

• 14:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's pretty impressive. That came out five and a half years ago. In fact, I bought mine almost five years ago when, to the week when this podcast airs.

• 14:58Speaker 04

  I have the giant Lego set in my office. I look at it every day.

• 15:01Doug DeMuro?

  I bought mine the day that Joe Biden was elected the US president.

• 15:04Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 15:05Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 15:05Speaker 04

  Because of that?

• 15:07Doug DeMuro?

  I was like Biden's here, time for it. No, I ordered it months before it just happened to come in.

• 15:11Speaker 04

  I remember you texting the group thread and specking it out and being like, oh, I can't get the the steelies unless I get the different engine and which one do I pick? And we all weighed in on that.

• 15:20Doug DeMuro?

  That came the same week as the RS2 and they left like, like.

• 15:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, you lost interest in both of them pretty much at the same time.

• 15:27Speaker 03

  Looks really cool and we're disappointed in what you expected.

• 15:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I did drive the Defender across country like three times. I mean, I drove, sold mine with like 50 some thousand miles. I really used it.

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• 16:59Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, next situation.

• 17:01Speaker 04

  Lamborghini. This is new Lambo concept. Lambo always has the coolest concepts, often which like the Sesto Elemento and the all those cars come to production in some shape or format. So I think this is a tease at a limited production Revuelto in the future or something.

• 17:18Doug DeMuro?

  Is this, is this?

• 17:19Speaker 04

  It's a concept car. It's a render right now called the Manifesto, but how freaking cool if they build anything even remotely resembling this in real life.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  I mean, to me, it just looks like a shape.

• 17:30Doug DeMuro?

  It looks like a shape, but that's what's cool about it.

• 17:32Speaker 03

  It doesn't really have a, I mean, it has no doors.

• 17:34Doug DeMuro?

  I think it looks cool.

• 17:35Speaker 04

  And think about the Cignardo Concept S, there was an Aventador that had no windshield and the split down the middle. Like, this is something they absolutely could and should build.

• 17:43Doug DeMuro?

  Totally. I think it looks cool as hell.

• 17:44Speaker 04

  I mean, I don't know if they really could build it.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:47Speaker 04

  It'll, it'll be tweaked a little bit, but I think.

• 17:49Doug DeMuro?

  It doesn't have doors. I think that one of the tweaks they'll have to make is they will probably have to add doors.

• 17:54Speaker 03

  Perhaps the glass just opens up and then you get in.

• 17:56Doug DeMuro?

  That famously is a, is a very good production car.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely.

• 18:01Doug DeMuro?

  Entry and exit component. A can, a lift off canopy. You get a rock chip in the windshield. Oh, I'm sorry. That'll be $69,000 for a new lift off canopy.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, yeah, but the Lucids have the one piece of glass that I'm sure is also about seven.

• 18:15Doug DeMuro?

  But you don't enter through it.

• 18:16Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 18:17Speaker 04

  The impracticality, though, is part of the point. The Valkyrie, all of these insane hypercars coming out now, them being difficult and like quirky to your catchphrase there is now one of the main selling points.

• 18:30Doug DeMuro?

  That is cool as hell. I can't imagine it will actually be built. Maybe it teases a, a, a small volume model.

• 18:36Speaker 04

  I think Stradman already has his allocation and that color too.

• 18:41Speaker 03

  Probably. But along the topic of crazy Lamborghinis, so their Lamborghini's head of sales and marketing says that they plan to build more crazy models. Kind of in the vein of the Sterrato, so lifted off-road, just insane stuff.

• 18:53Doug DeMuro?

  Specifically, they said they plan to build more off-road supercars.

• 18:57Speaker 03

  Yes, exactly. Which I think is fascinating. And I hope that they do, because if any company can get away with it, it's kind of Lamborghini. They should be building the craziest, wackiest.

• 19:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  Most insane stuff.

• 19:06Speaker 04

  Funny is the, the news article I saw said like the Revolto and not the Urus.

• 19:11Doug DeMuro?

  But the Urus. I was just gonna say that. First off, Revolto is too big and ungainly and expensive to do an off-road version.

• 19:16Speaker 04

  Agreed.

• 19:17Doug DeMuro?

  The Urus.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Well, they did that. So they did that.

• 19:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's an SUV!

• 19:22Speaker 03

  They did that STX thing that was going to become something and then never did, but it doesn't make sense.

• 19:26Doug DeMuro?

  Why do they not do an Urus four by four square? Like with, like chunky tires, big fender, carbon fender flares, the hierarchy. Like, seriously?

• 19:34Speaker 03

  And call it the Lamo.

• 19:34Doug DeMuro?

  LMO3, baby!

• 19:37Speaker 03

  Exactly. It could be a trim package, but like still, I think that would be cool.

• 19:40Doug DeMuro?

  Let me ask you this. Is LM002 the worst named car ever? Like the zero, the leading zeros are what's really offensive, as if there were going to be hundreds of LM's.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  Maybe there were supposed to be.

• 19:52Doug DeMuro?

  But in the end, they only needed two to really refine the formula.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  Well, MP4-12 seemed pretty poor.

• 19:59Doug DeMuro?

  That is bad.

• 19:59Speaker 03

  That's pretty bad.

• 20:00Doug DeMuro?

  But leading zeros is wild.

• 20:04Doug DeMuro?

  Couldn't it have been LM2?

• 20:07Speaker 04

  Well, it was supposed to be like a military vehicle. Maybe that was just what they used in like the RFP for the government.

• 20:12Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that was the Cheetah.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:13Doug DeMuro?

  You ever see the Cheetah?

• 20:14Speaker 04

  And that was effectively the LMO1, I assume.

• 20:17Doug DeMuro?

  The Cheetah, though, was like open. It was like a Baja Dune buggy. And then there, maybe that was the LMO1, or there then was an LMO1, but then there's an LMO2, and that was it. They were like, alright, no, no LM277 needed.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 20:30Doug DeMuro?

  What a stupid thing. You know what would have been cool? If each one had been individually numbered, and that was the number.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  Oh, that would have been cool. That would have been cool. That was before the era where like they could cheat and lie, I guess, about that one of whatever.

• 20:43Speaker 04

  Lamborghini will do that on the blockchain.

• 20:44Speaker 03

  Lamborghini doesn't cheat.

• 20:45Doug DeMuro?

  I think that it's, I think it's incredibly cool. I am surprised to hear that them saying that they're thinking about continuing this. The Sturata was not a success. They had, they had a hard time selling them out, and, and then the used market values have not been strong.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  No.

• 20:57Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I think it will be a success long-term. I still firmly believe that in 20 years, people are going to look back at this as the pinnacle hurricane.

• 21:05Speaker 03

  Yep. I think it's kind of emblematic of the times, too. It just is.

• 21:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, like this was when off-roading took off. The G-Wagon and the Raptor and all these cars. And there was a V10, and it was like still kind of the last crazy bastion of this.

• 21:16Speaker 04

  I, I agree that Temario is probably the better point than a Revolto. I really hope they do a shooting brake version of one of these too, an off-road.

• 21:23Doug DeMuro?

  Shooting brake would be cool. Off-road shooting brake would be super cool.

• 21:25Speaker 04

  I guess with the engine back there, it's going to be a little tricky, but do it anyways.

• 21:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but there, there are mid-engine shooting brakes. And by the way, on, that's right. Not a shooting brake, but it is a hatchback.

• 21:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:34Doug DeMuro?

  It's, at that point, it's just bodywork. By the way, on this podcast, we only refer to it as the Lamborghini John Tamarinian.

• 21:41Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 21:41Doug DeMuro?

  There is no.

• 21:42Speaker 03

  There's no, in, in our hearts and in our minds, there is only one.

• 21:45Doug DeMuro?

  There is no, Temerario is simply too hard to say.

• 21:50Speaker 03

  Right. And Tim Marino is another one.

• 21:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no. We've already gotten accustomed to John. John Tamarin and he is in the Lamborghini world.

• 21:58Speaker 03

  Right. It just all comes together.

• 21:59Doug DeMuro?

  As far as I'm concerned, it's the Lamborghini John Tamarin.

• 22:04Speaker 03

  Right.

• 22:05Doug DeMuro?

  Storato.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  LM double oh three.

• 22:06Speaker 04

  I like including the John too, in case there's other Tamarrians we're referring to.

• 22:10Doug DeMuro?

  I don't want other Tamarians to think that it was named for them.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  I mean, he's got kids.

• 22:15Speaker 03

  Well, his dad was involved with Lamborghini.

• 22:17Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, his kids and wife were not, they didn't factor into Lamborghini's decision to name the car after him. They would have named it after him even if he was a single man.

• 22:26Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, I do, the, the upshot here is I do think it's crazy that it would offer it.

• 22:30Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 22:31Doug DeMuro?

  I think it is truly insane.

• 22:32Speaker 04

  Especially, they usually do it at the end of the run to try to push unsold inventory. I guess the Urus is just done so well, they don't really need the help.

• 22:38Doug DeMuro?

  It's done well and it continues to do well, but still like, give us, like the G-Wagon's doing well and they're doing a convertible and they still do an off-road of that.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  Right.

• 22:44Speaker 03

  Right. It doesn't really hamper anything.

• 22:46Doug DeMuro?

  Give us an off-road Urus. That's what you do. You make an SUV and it's like, oh, we're going to do off-road version of the sports cars. Did you consider?

• 22:53Speaker 03

  Yep. I mean, I'd like to posit.

• 22:56Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, we want a Lemieux. We want like a real, like purpose-built Lemieux. But given that they're almost surely not going to do that, the next best thing would be.

• 23:05Speaker 04

  Gosh, I want a Lemieux so bad.

• 23:07Speaker 03

  It is one of the coolest. Look, I mean, look.

• 23:09Doug DeMuro?

  Click on that one. Click on that one.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  I've never met a car that's more, I know what I got in terms of people selling them.

• 23:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 23:15Speaker 04

  Like the asking price is always double what it really is worth.

• 23:18Doug DeMuro?

  And, and, and actual sales are way lower.

• 23:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:21Doug DeMuro?

  There is a wide disparity between.

• 23:23Speaker 04

  They point to the one result at, at Car Week last year and say, all are worth 800. And it's like, you're lucky to get 400.

• 23:30Doug DeMuro?

  Everyone sells for 300 to 400. Yep. It is also one of the worst cars. I've driven them and it's really bad, but that wouldn't stop me under any circumstances from buying it.

• 23:38Speaker 04

  Of course not. Yeah.

• 23:39Doug DeMuro?

  It is ponderous though. Like it is a, such a large vehicle that it is a ponderous driving thing.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  And those weird one-off tires. It can't, it can't drive well.

• 23:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Although you can put, you don't need to buy those tires. You could put super swampers on it.

• 23:50Speaker 03

  Hell yeah.

• 23:51Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Give us our next news story, please.

• 23:53Speaker 03

  Ah, yes. So sticking with exotic cars, Ferrari has announced that they have added to the Fiorano test track. So here's Fiorano, very famous corner. They've added something that they're calling the E Vortex track. And the idea with this is they took corners and more stuff that you find around on normal roads and added it to this so they can test their concept cars and not have to go out and do testing on the streets. Famously, you'd see a lot of very cool concept Ferraris leaving the factory gates. A lot of car spotters like position themselves around those gates to see Ferrari test.

• 24:20Doug DeMuro?

  Now you'll need a drone.

• 24:21Speaker 03

  Now you'll need a drone or to live in one of those houses over here where people complain about the noise, which is unbelievable to me.

• 24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's pretty crazy. If you ever go on Google Satellite and look at where Fiorano is, it's just in a neighborhood.

• 24:34Speaker 03

  Right, yeah, exactly.

• 24:35Doug DeMuro?

  Like, the factory was here and then it sort of has expanded over time to the point where now there are a butters.

• 24:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 24:41Doug DeMuro?

  It's just sort of what they're doing, I guess.

• 24:43Speaker 03

  Exactly. But they acquired 37,000 square meters, which is 9.414 acres to build this and it's 2 kilometers.

• 24:50Doug DeMuro?

  370,000 square feet. You know, that's what I learned. Square meters to square feet, just multiply by 10.

• 24:56Speaker 04

  Good to know. That'll come in handy a lot.

• 24:58Doug DeMuro?

  Well, if you're ever trying to buy property in Europe.

• 25:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:00Doug DeMuro?

  So they only list it in square meters.

• 25:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:02Doug DeMuro?

  So there you go.

• 25:03Speaker 04

  Good. Noted.

• 25:06Doug DeMuro?

  Why does it have a sand trap?

• 25:08Speaker 03

  You know, I've been trying to figure that out. Maybe, maybe it's for the pure song way to test the four wheel drive system. I have no idea. But yeah, it does have a sand trap. There's no water. Uh, but they're much like these circular, like.

• 25:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and I noticed there's like, there's like lanes up there and there's like lanes here.

• 25:22Speaker 04

  It kind of reminds you of like a Pecler or like one of the Porsche experience centers, like Skid Pad.

• 25:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I wonder if this is for, if they're gonna test like autonomous driving stuff with that. I don't know what they're gonna do with it exactly, but there it is. So in addition to, now, of course, E Vortex also doesn't roll.

• 25:38Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, E Vortex is a great name. You remember the 599 GTB Fiorano? The next one will be the 784 GTB E Vortex.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  It is so Italian. Or Philippe would say, no, he's evil taxi.

• 25:51Doug DeMuro?

  Right, he would. He would and probably is currently. Now, he doesn't watch the pod when he's not on it, because he's not into cars.

• 25:59Doug DeMuro?

  He's like, what, I'm gonna watch this pod? I could be watching a pod about cooking.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  Maybe if I send it to him over Slack, he'll watch it.

• 26:05Speaker 04

  That's possibly true, but he did leave notes in the pod doc. Did you see his like additional commentary?

• 26:09Doug DeMuro?

  He doesn't, he's not gonna, like, he's not gonna follow up. You know what I mean? Like, we don't have to worry about that.

• 26:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 26:14Doug DeMuro?

  We don't have to do what he says.

• 26:15Speaker 04

  True.

• 26:16Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Okay, give us our next news story.

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, so one last motorsport related thing. So Porsche has announced that they are pulling out of the W E C, the World Endurance Championship, which is kind of sad. They said they are going to continue to focus on IMSA, which is great, which I'll talk about more because I'm going to an IMSA race very shortly. But they are going to focus instead on Formula E and IMSA, but no more, uh, competition in W E C, which I think is sad. And I think that also kind of, I wonder if that's a little bit related to their difficult financial times recently, that they're kind of scaling back some of their efforts to save a little bit of money.

• 26:49Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe they'll go back to Formula One like they did in my Carrera G T.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  They've said that, yeah, well, I, right, exactly. As a manufacturer for engines that they were so bad at, that that engine never went in a Formula One car.

• 26:58Doug DeMuro?

  The Carrera G T is basically a Formula One car for the road.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  Right, said every automotive journalist ever.

• 27:05Doug DeMuro?

  The Carrera G T is essentially a Formula One engine and strapped to a Formula One superstructure with some bodywork to please people.

• 27:17Speaker 03

  I don't have the energy for this.

• 27:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:19Speaker 03

  But it makes me sad. Uh, I, I, I want to see Porsche competing at the, the pinnacle, in the pinnacle of motorsport, but it's not a surprise necessarily.

• 27:26Doug DeMuro?

  We don't think Formula One is the pinnacle of motorsport.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  Well, it's Formula E, not exactly a pinnacle of anything.

• 27:31Doug DeMuro?

  Well, no, I know, but they, the Formula, you're saying you want to see Porsche compete in the pinnacle of motorsport?

• 27:35Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 27:35Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Isn't that where you want to see them compete?

• 27:39Speaker 03

  Yes and no. I mean, I, because I like seeing them at Le Mans racing against Ferrari. It's like the old days. It's like, it's nice to see them there, but.

• 27:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, we're not, the old days, the new days are Formula One, dude. With the halo, that's what we watch.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  It's a marketing exercise. The, the W E C audience has to be super niche. They clearly know about Porsche.

• 27:56Doug DeMuro?

  But Le Mans is not niche.

• 27:56Speaker 04

  But other than that, yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 03

  But it, but it's, I guess it's not a surprise because both Audi and Lamborghini, also under the same umbrella, also had pulled out of it.

• 28:04Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't Ferrari beat them last year?

• 28:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, and the year before, and the year before.

• 28:07Doug DeMuro?

  Three years in a row. Ferrari beat them so bad, they quit.

• 28:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  That's everyone's dream. I don't want to just win. I want to win so bad you quit in shame.

• 28:15Speaker 03

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• 29:59Doug DeMuro?

  All right, next news story. Do we have any more?

• 30:01Speaker 03

  No, that's the end of the news.

• 30:02Doug DeMuro?

  Thank God, we have so much to cover this week. For example... I still want an arena red 993 twin turbo. Nick, do you have any thoughts on this? You haven't been on the pods since we've been talking about this.

• 30:14Speaker 04

  I think this is the most bizarre way to do a wanted to buy ad. We need to go on Red Leicester.

• 30:19Doug DeMuro?

  Using a boxed car model on a pod, on a video podcast?

• 30:22Speaker 04

  Yes, not a very scalable tactic anyways.

• 30:24Doug DeMuro?

  No, no. Someone sent us this and it got my wheels a-turning. And then I did this video. I don't, maybe it's already posted, maybe it hasn't. I don't know. If not, it's your little preview. I did this video on cars I should have bought. And I remember the time I should have bought Morgan Freeman's 993 turbo, which turned out to not be Morgan Freeman, the actor, but a different fellow. And I passed on it for that reason, but in retrospect, who cares?

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, right.

• 30:47Doug DeMuro?

  Should have bought the damn car.

• 30:49Speaker 03

  I can't believe you had a John Voight's libertarian experience in your actual life.

• 30:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 30:54Speaker 03

  Incredible. For those who are Seinfeld fans out there.

• 30:56Doug DeMuro?

  It's exactly what it was. Um, the difference is I didn't buy the car and I should have, and George shouldn't have bought the car and he did.

• 31:04Speaker 04

  I am happy you're back on cars. You're back on buying cars.

• 31:07Doug DeMuro?

  Ready to buy a twin turbo.

• 31:09Speaker 04

  You're admitting to being a Porsche guy.

• 31:10Doug DeMuro?

  I haven't heard from the fellow who rolled back the odometer. He said he'd check and call me right back. And that was two weeks ago. We're still waiting on that call.

• 31:18Speaker 03

  He must be, you know.

• 31:19Doug DeMuro?

  Sir, sir, are you too busy rolling back odometers to call me?

• 31:23Speaker 03

  Maybe he's busy rolling it forward now.

• 31:25Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's what he should be doing.

• 31:26Speaker 03

  What he should be doing, but he's not.

• 31:27Doug DeMuro?

  To match his service records. That, that in his, in his ad, they said they went back to new. And there were six total service records, including none between like 2000 and 2017.

• 31:38Speaker 03

  Some dealers.

• 31:39Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, some dealers, but not the brilliant ones on cars and bids.

• 31:43Speaker 03

  Of course not.

• 31:44Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, kind of really mean that though. I've been thinking about it more and like.

• 31:48Speaker 03

  The, the dealers who sell on the auction sites understand that like there's a brain trust that's looking and you have to, it only benefits you to be transparent. And so, and a lot of them are and are very engaged in the comments and like are sending pictures.

• 32:00Doug DeMuro?

  They buy the cars with that in mind. Like when they go out and get the cars. They're not trying to ham it up. If a car doesn't have those service records, they negotiate that into the deal and then that's something they disclose on the site. And it makes them seem more transparent, which they are. Whereas like buy the car and just lie, oh, it has service records to new and just try to convince like a, trying to sell your cars at top dollar to unsophisticated buyers is a strategy. But like, probably kind of a sucky one.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was trying to buy or have been chatting with a dealer that has an SLR. They have no service record. So I'm like, can you hunt them down for me? Can you do this, that? They won't do anything. And then they automated text me, would you like a virtual test drive? And it's like, gosh, you have zero idea how to sell this car.

• 32:40Doug DeMuro?

  You would love a virtual test drive.

• 32:43Speaker 04

  But what is that?

• 32:43Doug DeMuro?

  It makes no sense. Speaking of that, Nick, let's talk about SLRs for a minute. What's the, uh, what's the situation there?

• 32:52Speaker 04

  Well, we'll have to wait and see for sure, but I was on the pod, what, two weeks ago?

• 32:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 32:57Speaker 04

  And like you, I did a wanted to buy ad during the talk car segment.

• 33:01Doug DeMuro?

  This is what we're gonna use the pod for.

• 33:03Speaker 04

  Way of sourcing vehicles to a certain Tyler Hoover in Kansas. Not to say we've been texting.

• 33:11Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow. Are we gonna break any ground here on the pod? Wait, wait, wait. Let me, let me ask it. Let me ask the question a slightly different way. Are we selling the Mercy Alago?

• 33:20Speaker 04

  We are selling the Mercy Alago.

• 33:22Doug DeMuro?

  So, so if we were to make some conclusions here.

• 33:26Speaker 04

  If you could probably say.

• 33:28Doug DeMuro?

  Watch on Nick's YouTube channel for a, for a full conclusion.

• 33:32Speaker 04

  I'm gonna gatekeep this, but there's a decent chance that I'm getting a fire damage SLR in the next week or so.

• 33:38Doug DeMuro?

  Nice job, Nick. Way to keep that. Go to Nick's YouTube channel and maybe he will have some sort of explanation of what's happening on the YouTube channel.

• 33:47Speaker 04

  The commenter so far are all saying selling the Mercy for an SLR is a terrible idea. The Mercy is way cooler. I actually kind of agree with them, but what you've had a car for three years, you've checked the boxes.

• 33:58Doug DeMuro?

  The commenters don't understand when they say that is like ultimately at some point. You're just ready for a new experience.

• 34:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:07Doug DeMuro?

  And yeah, I think the Mercy is cooler in the SL. I agree. But like you, how many miles you put on the Mercy?

• 34:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, 6,000, something over three years.

• 34:15Doug DeMuro?

  6,000 miles, did Car Week, did a manual swap.

• 34:17Speaker 04

  We've done everything.

• 34:18Doug DeMuro?

  We did the racetrack with it. We've done a million mountain drives. Like at some point, it's like, well, I kind of did this stuff and I'm not looking to like be a collector and just add.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  Right. I wish I could, but yeah, well, honestly, what, what happened was a few people got into my head and started, made private offers off market for it. And they were good enough that it was like, wow, this could unlock some funds and, and make it so that I could go to the next vehicle. And then we were at Car Week and talking about SLRs. And I realized basically the offers I was getting and the amount I would have to pay for an SLR are simpatico. So that I wouldn't have to spend any money out of pocket.

• 35:00Speaker 03

  I just, yeah, I'm excited for you to eventually get an SLR, whatever SLR it may be.

• 35:05Doug DeMuro?

  Whatever one, we don't know.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  I just, I, I'm curious how long that sticks around.

• 35:10Speaker 04

  It might not be long.

• 35:11Doug DeMuro?

  I totally, everybody is so negative about this. I think it's going to be cool. I think you are going to really enjoy it. It, it does not drive as well as a mid-engine supercar, but it has some really cool benefits, including high speed.

• 35:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:23Doug DeMuro?

  And it looks crazy.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  That's my biggest fear with him is that this is a very, very fast car. I am so worried.

• 35:30Speaker 04

  I'm going to jail.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's honestly not.

• 35:32Doug DeMuro?

  Also, I've just learned from my own Countach experience that when people online say stuff about cars, their experience is usually either zero or basically zero.

• 35:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, I agree.

• 35:43Doug DeMuro?

  Owning a vehicle, like I owned the Countach, did 2,500 miles, have the, spent the time, you really start to develop a different relationship with the car than if you like took it on a test drive or, or in the case of all the YouTube commenters, simply parroted what they've heard in other people's content.

• 35:59Speaker 03

  I've driven one and it is very cool and enormously powerful.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  It's very impressive.

• 36:05Speaker 04

  I do like sledgehammers as a vehicle genre, you know?

• 36:08Speaker 03

  As do I.

• 36:09Speaker 04

  Ton of power, kind of big.

• 36:11Doug DeMuro?

  In your face design, like crazy looking. Like if I saw an SL, I mean, if I see a Mercy on the road, it's a big deal and I take a picture and I look. If I see an SLR on the road, I lose it. Like I absolutely would lose it. I haven't seen one on the road randomly in I don't know how long. We, there were a few, when I lived in Atlanta, there were a few.

• 36:25Speaker 04

  It is wild, look shopping at these and I've literally contacted every single one for sale. Many of which have sold months ago and the dealer just keeps them up, but most of them have under 10 km. And I would say more than half of them have under like 3,000 miles. Like they do not get driven.

• 36:40Speaker 03

  Maybe that's because they're not that great to drive.

• 36:42Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe. Again, again, people parrot, people have not spent time.

• 36:47Speaker 03

  I've driven the car.

• 36:48Doug DeMuro?

  But like I said, there's a different experience.

• 36:50Speaker 03

  I know I haven't owned it.

• 36:51Doug DeMuro?

  There's a different experience that happens when you've, when you've spent two seconds in a car versus when you've actually had the ability to, hey, I own this, I have plates on this, I can, I can go hard into this corner. I can, I can, I can do a little traffic. But if I can go on a mountain drive and not feel worried because it's my car.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  If that were, if it were true that we're so great to drive, surely there'd be more with, I don't know, more than 5,000 miles.

• 37:13Doug DeMuro?

  I'll tell you something, I'll tell you something, the greatest driving car in history, the Courage GT. And by the way, verified that this morning.

• 37:21Doug DeMuro?

  Good luck finding one of those with over 5,000 miles. You know, I searched far and wide when I got the money. I, I had a, I had a pretty significant time window after we, we took the investment. I was willing to, to wait up to, up to six days in order to spend all of the money on a car. And we looked and it ain't easy to find a Courage GT with over 10,000 miles.

• 37:39Speaker 03

  How many SLRs do they build? Do you know? Not counting like.

• 37:41Doug DeMuro?

  3,000, right?

• 37:42Speaker 04

  I guess some, I had looked it up. I know the Roadsters are about, I want to say it was like 1,300 coupes and about 600.

• 37:49Doug DeMuro?

  2157 total.

• 37:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:51Speaker 03

  Is that counting 722 and Sterling Moss?

• 37:53Doug DeMuro?

  Including the Sterling Moss. 2157 total.

• 37:58Speaker 03

  Well, nonetheless, I think it is.

• 37:59Doug DeMuro?

  1262 coupes.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  We'll have to watch it all again together, but I did go back and watch the Top Gear episode when they raced it from London to Oslo, which is nuts, from Heathrow to Oslo.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  And when they did the first thing around the Top Gear track, it overtook the Mercia Lago as the fastest lap time around the Top Gear track. Yeah. So feels very fitting that that's.

• 38:19Doug DeMuro?

  What overtook the slur? Courage GT?

• 38:21Speaker 04

  I, I didn't watch.

• 38:21Doug DeMuro?

  You get one?

• 38:22Speaker 03

  I think Curgete was tested before the SLR was. But I think.

• 38:25Doug DeMuro?

  Curgete was faster than the SLR.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  I think they complained about the traction control system a lot on the SLR.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  They complained. That's what they do.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  And it might be the SL65.

• 38:32Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna have a great time with it. I totally disagree.

• 38:34Speaker 03

  I think, I can't wait to see it.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  I can't wait either. I have not driven one and I haven't seen one in a little while, so.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  Well, I'm excited. I'll follow, I know you, so I'll follow your experience in person, but also follow it on your YouTube channel.

• 38:46Doug DeMuro?

  Alright, uh, this is exciting. I'm excited for you. I want to talk multiple. Tell me the situation with the multiple. It's legal?

• 38:54Speaker 04

  It's legal. We got license plates in the mail, including one for the A2, so that is a positive thing, but the paperwork really wasn't too terrible, but it's about a month, I would say, since you and I picked it up at the port. Does that sound right?

• 39:06Doug DeMuro?

  How many miles have you driven it illegally?

• 39:08Speaker 04

  I've driven it.

• 39:09Doug DeMuro?

  All of them.

• 39:09Speaker 04

  Almost every day.

• 39:12Doug DeMuro?

  With a zip tied Montana plate from a long ago vehicle.

• 39:16Speaker 04

  No, from the Arnage, but yes, it's, it's, well, now it's, now it's a paper plate, which I think is even sketchier somehow.

• 39:23Doug DeMuro?

  But a legal one.

• 39:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, at least have registration if I get pulled over, but yeah, no, they, they processed it pretty quick, like the checklist was true to form. It wasn't too terrible. It just took a while to get the customs forms from the actual customs people.

• 39:36Doug DeMuro?

  So the multiple is registered. Did you end up having to pay tariffs?

• 39:39Speaker 04

  So far, no. I have heard of people that like two months later, they get hit with something, but Rami, who helped us import it, is confident based on all the ones he's done that we shouldn't.

• 39:49Doug DeMuro?

  Huh.

• 39:50Speaker 04

  And his interpretation of it. And so far, we paid 3% duty, but.

• 39:54Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, which is normal.

• 39:55Speaker 04

  Knock on wood.

• 39:56Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, wow. So the multiple is registered. We can drive it around. You drove it here today. I noticed it's parked outside.

• 40:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. Did you see the zip tie door handle too?

• 40:05Doug DeMuro?

  What did you do?

• 40:06Speaker 04

  I broke the door handle with Kenan.

• 40:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  And.

• 40:08Doug DeMuro?

  Long Beach.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  I tried plastic welding and JB welding and I can't get it back together. So I just have the little, the metal pole up there, put a zip tie so that I can kind of yank on it and use it as a door handle. I have one, I have one coming from Europe, but we'll see how long it takes.

• 40:22Speaker 03

  It's a very lightweight solution in the meantime. It's like a boxer spider, you know?

• 40:25Speaker 04

  I mean, no one's stealing that thing. It's got a manual. Good luck.

• 40:28Doug DeMuro?

  Can we talk about the Mercy? So the. Is here. The next, the next generation of cars is starting to arrive.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 40:36Doug DeMuro?

  The multiplier may be an SLR. We don't know. We don't know. For God's sake, it could be anything.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  It could be.

• 40:43Doug DeMuro?

  It might be an SLR.

• 40:44Speaker 04

  An SL65, which has more horsepower and torque.

• 40:46Doug DeMuro?

  He's like sad about this now.

• 40:48Speaker 04

  I know.

• 40:49Doug DeMuro?

  I should have figured that out in advance. I could have saved.

• 40:51Speaker 03

  We'll, we'll talk about our two thirds.

• 40:53Doug DeMuro?

  You could have had an SL65 black.

• 40:54Speaker 04

  You know what I'm actually in the market for? Third one to buy add a silver R63. I want to build the ultimate two car combo for silver Mercedes of 2008. If anyone has an unmodded, ideally.

• 41:06Doug DeMuro?

  They're gonna do it. They make two questions for you. First off, 2008. I thought all the SLRs were 050607 unless you're referring to a specific one.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  Well, anything of that run is fine.

• 41:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, R63 is not that great to drive.

• 41:21Speaker 04

  Neither is a multiplier.

• 41:22Speaker 03

  Well, you haven't owned one, so maybe you don't know.

• 41:24Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, I drove one once, seven years ago, and that makes me an expert. I'm gonna go into every YouTube comment section and talk about it.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  No, you guys had a nice one that had a wise tech supercharger. That's what I should have gotten.

• 41:34Doug DeMuro?

  But yeah, nothing, nothing like supercharging the head bolt motor. I want to talk though about the Mercy. So you're going to, you're going to sell the Mercy on cars.

• 41:42Speaker 04

  I am. It should be live Thursday, right?

• 41:46Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, yeah, Thursday. If this pod goes up on Friday, yes, the following Thursday. Yes.

• 41:51Speaker 04

  Yes, and you are reviewing it, I'm told.

• 41:54Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna drive it tomorrow, film it tomorrow.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  I can't wait.

• 41:56Doug DeMuro?

  Very excited.

• 41:57Speaker 04

  I'm excited to get your feedback on this, the converted Mercy, since you've driven both stick and e-gear. I obviously am thrilled with it, but I'm super biased. It's my car.

• 42:06Doug DeMuro?

  I've driven a stick O3. I've driven a roadster tip.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  And I've driven a LP640 coupe tip. So I am curious also.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  But the most thing I'm curious about is it'll be the first converted Mercy to sell publicly, at least that I'm aware of.

• 42:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. No, I mean, the first public sale. There may have been private sales, but period, not the interest that we're aware of.

• 42:26Speaker 04

  Can't find any. I'm not aware of any. If there are, certainly comment, but the delta between an OE Mercy and an e-gear Mercy has always been like two to three X. So where does a converted car hit in that spectrum?

• 42:38Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  I will tell you, I've gotten a few offers off market that were pretty. Strong and frankly, maybe I should have taken. Again, that's what kickstarted this all, but I do think it'll be fun to see how it does where it's a competitive environment and people will bid to what they're comfortable with.

• 42:52Doug DeMuro?

  Right, right. We'll find out, we'll find out.

• 42:54Speaker 03

  The market will tell us.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  Yeah. There's certainly no more well documented one in terms of like all the YouTube content like unlike some other cars, like you know what you're getting. I did find one converted car for sale at a dealer.

• 43:04Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, really?

• 43:05Speaker 04

  And, uh, but they couldn't even tell you who did it. Like they knew nothing. There was no receipts, no records. Like I wouldn't touch that. Like

• 43:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 43:11Speaker 04

  It could be some dude's cousin.

• 43:12Doug DeMuro?

  I would touch it at the right number, but yeah, I totally agree.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  It won't bring value if you can't even.

• 43:16Doug DeMuro?

  If you can't document it all and you have the dot, you did it, Makina did it, a, a, an esteemed conversion shop.

• 43:22Speaker 04

  Well, not just that. I mean, I have all my service records. I have service records from the previous owner. Like again, a mercy, part of what holds back the values is everyone's terrified of maintenance costs.

• 43:32Doug DeMuro?

  I am, so my, my assumption is because you've done probably 1100 miles in it too, since the conversion.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  1600.

• 43:38Doug DeMuro?

  1600. That's also in my opinion, a huge benefit. Like that, there's some proof of concept.

• 43:42Speaker 04

  We've shook, we've shook it out. If there was going to be an issue, it would present.

• 43:45Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't just convert this car to then flip it for sale. Like I converted it, drove it. I mean, 600 miles is real.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Did you have any issues with it in that? Did you have to do any adjustments?

• 43:53Speaker 04

  The, um, intake air temperature came off of its little plastic bushing. It was resting on the engine and occasionally getting too hot. I don't think that was the conversion fault. I think like either shipping it or just driving the crap out of it. Like it, it, I, I literally just fastened it back in and cleared the code and it was fine.

• 44:10Doug DeMuro?

  It was fine. 1600 miles since the conversion. You know, that's about as many miles as it would take to drive from Wichita to San Diego.

• 44:17Speaker 04

  Yeah. I'm not, I'm not doing that drive.

• 44:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, why would you have to do that drive, Nick?

• 44:23Speaker 04

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• 45:06Speaker 04

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• 45:41Speaker 00

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• 46:10Doug DeMuro?

  Cars. I want to, I want to say one thing. I want to do in my talk cars. I'm going to want to say something about Lamborghinis. I am going to posit a theory. I've posited several theories on the pod before. The Cayman nucleus theory, the G D four nucleus theory, and various others. Here's a theory.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  What was the one about market caps? That was a good one.

• 46:26Doug DeMuro?

  Market cap theory of supercars. Here's my theory, and we're going to, I'm going to do it. I'm going to say it here. And again, when Johnny Lieberman tries to steal this theory, you heard it on this podcast first on October the something or other.

• 46:40Doug DeMuro?

  Lamborghini's supercars will one day be valued and considered as the Ferrari supercars.

• 46:47Doug DeMuro?

  The Lambo supercar collection will be the Mura, the Countach, the Diablo and the Mercy, all gated manuals. If you have those four, it will be someday akin to having the 288. Ferrari has now fractured it and it's too difficult to figure out what's what in the Ferrari supercar world. So as far as I'm concerned, collecting Ferrari supercars is over. It ended with the LaFerrari. Some are going to say, oh, the F80, but then do we count the SP3? And I guarantee you there's more money grabs coming. I promise you. Cause like, I think the SP3 is cooler than the F80 or the LaFerrari and it's just as expensive and it has the same powertrain. So how does that not count? And then the supercar collection gets murky, right? So as far as I'm concerned, Ferrari, it's over. It ended with the LaFerrari. There were five.

• 47:33Doug DeMuro?

  Lambo is, is the big five, the big four Lambos, all with the bits or in the engine and all gated. That's going to be the next big thing to collect, the big four.

• 47:42Speaker 03

  So is it going to be the best versions of all this? Or is it like?

• 47:45Doug DeMuro?

  We'll see how it's viewed.

• 47:47Speaker 03

  SV, downdraft, Countach.

• 47:50Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know.

• 47:50Speaker 03

  Some version of the Diablo.

• 47:52Doug DeMuro?

  I, my crystal ball is not quite as clear as you want it to be. It's a little bit cloudy in there, but this is the future of the, the collecting thing. And I will tell you also, I think that Porsche 959 Carrera GT and 918 is the beginning of a Porsche run of supercars. And someday, very annoying rich people will have the Ferrari section of their garage with the big five, the Lamborghini section with the big four, and the Porsche section with, where now the big three and presumably will be more.

• 48:24Speaker 04

  You're missing the most important one though.

• 48:25Doug DeMuro?

  NSXs.

• 48:26Speaker 04

  No, the McLaren run, the F1, the SLR and the P1.

• 48:33Speaker 04

  All three made by McLaren and the McLaren factory at extremely limited numbers that are halo cars. Thank you. I would drop the mic, but it's on a boom.

• 48:42Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to tell you this. The SLR will never be in a garage with any of the collections I'm referring to. Anyway, that is my Lamborghini supercar Bitzorini engine.

• 48:54Speaker 04

  I co-sign. I think you're right. I think Lamborghini's.

• 48:57Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, Mures are already there.

• 48:59Speaker 03

  They're really only the Bitzorini cars. It's not, yeah, because, and man, because they're only came as manuals. You can get them all as a manual.

• 49:05Doug DeMuro?

  It is the Bitzorini engine cars and only the gated ones. Like, I think that will be like the collection to have.

• 49:11Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 49:12Doug DeMuro?

  Which obviously is all Mures and Countach's, but I think, I do think that it will be probably people wanting to do it best will want to pursue the best of the best. So, yeah, Mura SV, Countach, either a Periscopy or a downdraft, Mercy, I don't know, a gated SV if you can find the three of them that exist, or at least an LP640. And then Diablo SE30 probably.

• 49:32Speaker 03

  Or the LP650.

• 49:34Doug DeMuro?

  Is there a manual LP650?

• 49:36Speaker 03

  I don't know. I don't think they offer that with a manual.

• 49:39Speaker 04

  I can't believe you just 580 shame me though.

• 49:42Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I've shamed myself.

• 49:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 49:43Doug DeMuro?

  Because I don't have a downdraft. Joe Sackey told me that without a downdraft, I am nothing. I am no one.

• 49:48Speaker 03

  You won't impress any of your friends.

• 49:50Doug DeMuro?

  My friends will not be impressed.

• 49:52Speaker 03

  And he's right.

• 49:53Doug DeMuro?

  He's right. Kenan's like, oh, you got a Countach, you have a downdraft? Were you a loser?

• 49:58Speaker 03

  Nonsense.

• 49:59Speaker 04

  We do tune you out quite a bit. We do tune you out quite a bit.

• 50:03Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it's interesting that Joe Sackey told me my friends wouldn't respect him, but instead I think, I think that actually changed the way that we respect Joe Sackey, that comment. I think it had that effect. I do want a 993 turbo. Can Joe or someone help me out with that? How do I get into this? Can I open this next week? Kenan, you got any cars?

• 50:25Speaker 03

  Yes. So as I mentioned, I'm going to Road America or Road Atlanta to take part in the Petite Le Mans. Filippo and I will both be there. We're going to be there for the Cars and Coffee event on, the main event itself is on Saturday, and that's when we will be there to hang out with people. We'll be all around the track. We have a schedule that's coming out, so you can come up and say hello.

• 50:42Doug DeMuro?

  What kind of cars are going to be at this?

• 50:44Speaker 03

  We, so we put a thing out on the community tab to like, for people could submit their cars. We had a certain number of spots, I think 50 or so. And it was incredible, the response. We got some wild cars.

• 50:57Doug DeMuro?

  You got an F50 GT?

• 50:58Speaker 03

  As a matter of fact, yes. No, of course not. But no, we did get some.

• 51:02Doug DeMuro?

  What about Blackwood? You got a Blackwood coming?

• 51:05Speaker 03

  No, I wish we had.

• 51:06Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question about this? It's gonna be at Road Atlanta. You can go meet Kenan. It says that what's gonna be there is cars, coffee, and race day energy.

• 51:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:17Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan, tell us, what is your race day energy like?

• 51:21Speaker 03

  I'll tell you what, when the Valkyrie goes by and I hear that NAV12 screaming, I am pumped. So I'm ready.

• 51:28Doug DeMuro?

  It's like a 12-hour, 15-hour, 18-hour race.

• 51:31Speaker 03

  It is, it is 10 hours. Yes, it is from, it starts at 12:10 in the afternoon and goes until 10:10 PM. And we will be there for all of it.

• 51:38Doug DeMuro?

  You are gonna be at this thing for the entire race?

• 51:40Speaker 03

  And I have to help set up, so I'll be there at 7:00 AM.

• 51:42Doug DeMuro?

  Surely Filippo won't be.

• 51:43Speaker 03

  No, Filippo said that he will be.

• 51:45Doug DeMuro?

  Think about it.

• 51:46Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, yeah, but he gets to take slack breaks. That's like sleeping.

• 51:49Doug DeMuro?

  He'll sleep. He'll go into the, into one of the team's buses and sleep.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Yep, he'll sleep on a jack stand somewhere. No, he's just like, yeah, he will be there. I will be there.

• 51:58Doug DeMuro?

  What are you driving in Atlanta?

• 51:59Speaker 03

  Uh, I'm not driving anything.

• 52:01Doug DeMuro?

  Silverado?

• 52:02Speaker 03

  Driving around. Filippo, meanwhile, is driving an Aston Martin.

• 52:04Doug DeMuro?

  I know he is, but, but are you driving a Silverado or what?

• 52:06Speaker 03

  I wish I were driving a Silverado.

• 52:08Speaker 04

  Last time I was in Atlanta, I rented a X7 on Turo.

• 52:12Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  I also rented a BMW last time I was in Atlanta.

• 52:16Doug DeMuro?

  Which one?

• 52:17Speaker 04

  The, it was a fake Alpina 7 Series.

• 52:22Speaker 03

  Tracks so beautifully.

• 52:23Doug DeMuro?

  All right, uh, Kenan, I want to talk about Harry and the 250 GTI. You can do it, or I can do it, but we can do it.

• 52:29Speaker 03

  I will halfway talk. So our collective hero, Harry Mank.

• 52:32Doug DeMuro?

  Greatest car YouTuber.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  Yep, with I, yeah, I would definitely say so. Recently drove a 250 GTO.

• 52:40Doug DeMuro?

  How does this only have 360,000, 70,000 views?

• 52:42Speaker 03

  Because people are tasteless and need to wake up and bitch that good content's being produced.

• 52:47Doug DeMuro?

  You tasteless people, this is good content.

• 52:50Speaker 03

  Our viewers, of course, but like, no, but Harry, so Harry did a video talking about the 250 GTI. He got to drive. It's a Series 2 Drago body car. And he got to drive around in this because he was helping move a series of cars to an event. So it was this, a Series 1 GTO, uh, I think a D-Type and a 250, a 58 Pontoon body Testarossa.

• 53:09Doug DeMuro?

  Did you watch this video? You should watch it.

• 53:11Speaker 04

  I can't, British people, I just, the sound of their voice, I can't pay attention.

• 53:16Doug DeMuro?

  Nick, who do you think made the SLR that you may or may not be buying?

• 53:18Speaker 04

  He's like soft spoken and I just, I can't.

• 53:21Doug DeMuro?

  You can't pay attention to British people.

• 53:24Speaker 04

  I need jump cuts and like shouting and ideally.

• 53:27Doug DeMuro?

  That's exactly why we love Harry.

• 53:29Speaker 04

  I need like Whistler Diesel level of stimulus.

• 53:32Doug DeMuro?

  We love Harry. There's no jump cuts. There's no shouting. The production quality is laughable. It's just facts.

• 53:36Speaker 03

  It's just information.

• 53:37Doug DeMuro?

  It's just facts.

• 53:38Speaker 03

  I mean, look, we're looking at.

• 53:39Doug DeMuro?

  Meanwhile, what Nick wants is no facts and only entertainment. If you start throwing facts at Nick, it causes a problem.

• 53:47Speaker 03

  But so, but the most important part of this video to me is that Harry drives the car and he put a camera in it to go drive.

• 53:54Doug DeMuro?

  Believe it or not, I haven't yet actually watched the drive. I just thought, I just thought he was explaining, I mean.

• 54:00Speaker 03

  This actually, this, I've learned a couple of things in this.

• 54:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 54:03Speaker 03

  One is that like you often say, it's like, oh, you're burning, you won't be impressed with the performance of a 250 GTO for the money. It's like, no, but I'll tell you what, the experience even from the camera is.

• 54:12Doug DeMuro?

  And to be clear, I only say that when people talk about how an SL65 has more power than an SLR. And it's like, okay, there's more to a car than just the power level. I'm sure the experience is unbelievable. It must be.

• 54:23Speaker 03

  Just, it was a pleasure to watch. This video was incredible. I couldn't, I was so grateful, but the thing I noticed is like, and Harry mentions it, this, it really was a race car for the, like, look how thin the, like when he drives over bumps, you see the roof go like this, like it moves. Which is, you can kind of see it there. It's just like bouncing around. The, the car is.

• 54:43Doug DeMuro?

  Tight cabin, you're, you're up there, you're, oh, you only have the basics.

• 54:46Speaker 03

  It's hot, no speedometer.

• 54:48Doug DeMuro?

  There's the lightning bolt symbol which appears on race cars.

• 54:50Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 54:51Doug DeMuro?

  One thing I didn't realize that Harry told me and others, but I think it was mostly geared to me, was that the, a few of the 62 cars were re-bodied as 64s. I thought all the 64s were newly built.

• 55:03Speaker 03

  No.

• 55:04Doug DeMuro?

  And then the 62s were themselves, but including this car, he said, I think.

• 55:07Speaker 03

  Yes, this car, that's correct. This car was re-bodied as a Dragger body car, which is, which, the things I realized that in, which is an interesting point and unfortunate because the series one is so pretty and the series two is not.

• 55:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 55:18Speaker 03

  But the things that he points out, which I think is fascinating is that like they really took the 250 LM.

• 55:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 55:23Speaker 03

  Styling in the rear. The rear really looked, that looks like a 250L if you just looked at it from here.

• 55:29Doug DeMuro?

  Not the nice, I mean, the 250. was a mid-engine car, so doing

• 55:32Speaker 03

  It made sense.

• 55:33Doug DeMuro?

  Doing the look on a front-engine car is odd.

• 55:36Speaker 03

  Right. It's like the Mura. This is kind of their transition.

• 55:39Doug DeMuro?

  The 64s never looked good, but I understand why they're just as appealing now, having watched this video.

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Right. It's so interesting and everybody should go watch it if you're all interested in

• 55:49Doug DeMuro?

  You're never gonna get 250 GTO, the most expensive car in the world and the most desirable car from the most desirable brand. You're never gonna get coverage of it from anybody else.

• 55:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 55:58Doug DeMuro?

  I will never do a video on it, too. It's just never gonna occur. I don't know that I'd even want the risk, honestly. When I did Leno's McLaren, he was like, you can't drive it. I was like, thank the god, let alone this. I mean, I

• 56:09Speaker 03

  I knew, I also, I had

• 56:10Doug DeMuro?

  Harry can do it, though.

• 56:11Speaker 03

  Of course. I found, or I thought about this, like, you know, it only has 376,000 views only, but I had a feeling in Harry's end of the year wrap-up when he talks about his videos, because he goes through his analytics, you know, around Christmas time. I had a feeling this video would, it's like, what do you have to do to make a popular YouTube video? He drove a 250 GTO, a car no one gets to drive, and it only did this number of views. And I'm sure something about, it'll be like, it'll be something about like eco-friendly fuels or something that'll get

• 56:40Speaker 04

  How many views did your Ferrari 360, putting a TV on the roof, get?

• 56:44Doug DeMuro?

  Even beyond that, I got, and I'm not trying to compete with Harry, because I think that Harry's content is truly peerless. But I got 465,000 views doing the Lucid Gravity. Now, he's only been up for three days, but you, this is one of the reasons I don't do old cars. This is one of the reasons I do, I remember, I'll never forget, when I went to Dubai and I filmed an Espada and a 250 Lusso.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  Lusso, yep.

• 57:05Doug DeMuro?

  And a Boxer and a Yorama and some Maserati, the Ghibli. It was a Ghibli. It was a Maserati Ghibli.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  Oh, it was the Ghibli.

• 57:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. And, uh, yeah, there's the Maserati video. There. And I filmed those five kind of famous Italian exotic cars. And then at the very end, because I had one extra slot to film, uh, the guy who worked at the dealership also owned a Hyundai Equus that was pre-US market, like it was a 90s Hyundai Equus. I filmed that and that one did the best. And it just proves to me, proved to me that The there's just the audience isn't there, even if you have a 250 GTO.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  Which is but for those of us who appreciate it and are like.

• 57:45Doug DeMuro?

  You will never get a more in-depth look.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  No, it was like it was extraordinary.

• 57:49Doug DeMuro?

  Extraordinary. Go watch that video. Watch Nick's. Go on Nick's YouTube. Forget about my stuff. Go on Nick's YouTube channel, find out his SLR thing. We don't know.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  Actually, David, that might be the best video I've seen in recent memory. There is the petrolious one of seven minutes of it uninterrupted at full speed. Being driven really hard. That that might be the best.

• 58:11Doug DeMuro?

  Have you has Harry done an SLR? I'm sure he has.

• 58:13Speaker 03

  I believe he did.

• 58:14Doug DeMuro?

  I don't watch SLR content, obviously. You should watch that because that'll be a good video, like a good intro to the SLR.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  Harry's.

• 58:22Speaker 04

  You know who had a totally unrelated here, but you know how it's really hard to do good YouTube content of people driving on a track or just driving in general?

• 58:30Speaker 03

  Oh, that's true. He did the MSO one.

• 58:32Speaker 04

  Oh, cool. Big Time did one on a 90s IMSA race car that they bought. And the way that they cut it and the the sounds of just like the raw cut. You know, sequential gearbox and everything like they actually did a really good job at making you feel like you're racing with them.

• 58:48Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta watch it.

• 58:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. Just watch that. You can skip the rest. It's all good.

• 58:51Doug DeMuro?

  Supportive of Big Time, of course, as is Canon. Of course. We get a new market report. I don't want to talk too much about it because we're we're pushing time here and we have to take questions, which were brilliant this week, and some of them are even geared toward Nick.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 59:03Doug DeMuro?

  But let's talk about market report, starting with the 1M.

• 59:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yes. So we often talked about the BMW 1M that the market has been strong, but it clearly is really strong. So this one had. This is a Valencia orange car, which is the color, but it was one owner, had 24,000 miles on it, which for one of these is a decent amount.

• 59:23Doug DeMuro?

  You see them with 10 sometimes.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  It's still transactor for $72,000, which is a ton.

• 59:28Doug DeMuro?

  Sticker was what 50, probably?

• 59:29Speaker 03

  55, I think. Yeah, something like that. Actually, it's probably his picture.

• 59:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's crazy to me especially that this car is so desired. There you go.

• 59:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, boom, who knows these BMWs?

• 59:38Doug DeMuro?

  It's crazy to me that these cars are still so valuable, especially because it was followed up with a car that was more powerful, still had a manual. They did a CS version of the next gen. They did a competition version next gen. Like everything that they usually when a, when a car becomes valuable, it's because the next gen screwed, screwed up things like the Ford GT. All right, for being serious, you know, the new one is a tip is a, is a, is a turbo, is a V6. And that has vaunted the old one. This car, that wasn't the case. BMW followed this up with a car that is by all measures better. However, the market is just in love with this car.

• 1:00:12Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I mean, this one is just.

• 1:00:13Doug DeMuro?

  And I, and I agree. I'm in love with it too.

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  But it's same, the SL 65 versus SLR argument. It's, it's more than just.

• 1:00:20Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  What it is on paper.

• 1:00:21Doug DeMuro?

  That's right. It is more than just what it is on paper. It is, it is, it is a special car in a way that it, that is not just about the way it steers and handles and feels.

• 1:00:29Speaker 03

  I love the way it drives. That overboost function that kicks into is so cool. It just does it automatically. Like I, I think it's if you're, if you're full throttle as well, it like uses the throttle position sensor and it will give you, I think it's like seven seconds of like.

• 1:00:42Doug DeMuro?

  Seven seconds.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's, it's impressive. And so I, I think if you have, I, I really like these cars.

• 1:00:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yep, I do too.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  We've sold, we've sold quite a few, 16 of them. Um, but I, I drove this one.

• 1:00:54Doug DeMuro?

  Is this on your list?

• 1:00:55Speaker 03

  Wonderful. No, this is too refined for Nick.

• 1:00:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's too nice.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  I'm sorry.

• 1:00:59Speaker 04

  Our, our mutual friend Mark has had, what, two, three, something like that. Like it does seem like the people that buy them too get really into them, like cult following.

• 1:01:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:08Speaker 04

  Like they sell them, they regret them, they immediately buy a nicer one. Kind of like, that's a very normal thing to do here.

• 1:01:13Doug DeMuro?

  It is, it is a really, really, really special car.

• 1:01:15Speaker 03

  Special, cool. And the values reflect that.

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  It's funny, when I bought my TTRS, I thought, oh, this will be like the 1M. It'll get a cult following and TTRS for some reason never had the same effect that the 1M did. Even though they were both like special enthusiast only vehicles, certain low production manual.

• 1:01:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that is, that is a little odd when you think about it because TTRS was probably similar production numbers. It was also based on a car where the regular one was not a mate. I mean, like not that special. It was also suit, it was one year, right? 12?

• 1:01:45Speaker 04

  To twelve and thirteen, I want to say.

• 1:01:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's kind of weird that that those these cars never really took off.

• 1:01:50Speaker 04

  And same with the the one that followed it was quote unquote better, but like the the old one was more special. Like, this is when there was like a Facebook petition from Audi to bring this to America like clearly a marketing play, but at the same time, like.

• 1:02:03Speaker 03

  I I think that might that might be the difference. This car was always viewed as a skunk works car that was never supposed to exist. And that made it really cool. And then BMW made it. And same thing with the Z3 M Coupe like that car was never supposed to exist. It was something that engineers did in their spare time. It kind of added to the allure.

• 1:02:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that was that. And that still is brought up when people talk about the one M is it was like this car that was like kind of cobbled together, but almost that almost made it like.

• 1:02:27Speaker 03

  It was the best parts of what is one of the best M cars, the E9 X M3 is a fantastic car. They put that in a much smaller package.

• 1:02:34Doug DeMuro?

  And it reminds us all of the the 2002 and the E30. And I think that that that also plays a role.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  And it was at that time when cars were beginning to get bigger and heavier and like it was like the last.

• 1:02:43Doug DeMuro?

  We talk about the mid 2000s, but there were a few cars that sort of carried it on even beyond that. And this was one of them. This car did not come from the 2000s, but it has that ethos.

• 1:02:51Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:02:53Doug DeMuro?

  I'm going to tell you a story about the one M that I may have told you before, but I don't think I've told in this pod. The first time I ever drove one.

• 1:03:02Doug DeMuro?

  Have I ever told you this?

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  I don't think so.

• 1:03:04Doug DeMuro?

  At Porsche, we would occasionally do, I have a picture of it in here somewhere. We would occasionally do swaps with other automakers. I'm trying to find the date. So they could drive our product and we could drive their product. Honestly, it's probably illegal, illegal and collusionary. But we would do it. And

• 1:03:26Doug DeMuro?

  and I and and at some point BMW sent us a Valencia orange one M. And I'm trying to find the picture here, the exact date, but here it is. And I had I got it on March 6, 2012 for one night.

• 1:03:39Speaker 03

  One night.

• 1:03:41Doug DeMuro?

  It went around the office. There was no reason for me to drive it other than the people who were in power of these cars knew I was an enthusiast and thought I would like it. And so I got it March 6, 2012 for one night. Here's a picture of my friend Andrew driving the car for the one night. We're at a gas station. We probably had to probably drove it like pulled an Allmiter in the car. And, uh, and I absolutely fell in love with the car that one night. And I remember March 2012, at that time, uh, there were still allocations available.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:04:11Doug DeMuro?

  And, um, I can't remember if someone from our office did it, or a friend of someone from our office did it, but went through someone we knew at Porsche who knew a BMW person and was and got it in an allocation. And she said she Patty, the person who we do went was the BMW like go between. She was like, if you want one.

• 1:04:30Doug DeMuro?

  And I was like, I don't know. Ah, it's 50 grand. I'm not sure. Would have been cool.

• 1:04:35Speaker 04

  Just roughly what they sell for now?

• 1:04:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, nice ones, even more, obviously.

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, they just really have not like, I mean, this guy bought this and it was $55,000 car, thereabouts, drove it 43,500 miles.

• 1:04:47Doug DeMuro?

  Sold it for 50 grand.

• 1:04:48Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there just aren't that many modern cars you can do that.

• 1:04:51Doug DeMuro?

  I, I still remember that one night. I've driven them several since then, but that, that one night was like, all I really needed to understand just how special that car was. And this was coming from at the time I drove a lot of Porsches very frequently. And to, it was a really, it was clear to me then that it was a really special car.

• 1:05:07Speaker 03

  I love that one night, like impression, like I remember when, remember when Chris Harris had a Veyron for a night?

• 1:05:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  In Germany. And he took it in southern Germany where you have the true D restricted autobonds. And he took that and it was a 997, I think, dot one GT3RS. And that was the chase car. And like, he said, like, there's great video of it or he just lays into, I think he did 220 miles an hour on public roads with it, which probably was maybe Bugatti didn't want him to do, but he did it anyway. But like, it just like the Porsche, just like, it's just not even close. It was like a great demonstration of speed, but it was all night. He just drove it all night.

• 1:05:40Doug DeMuro?

  They do to have a Vey to just drive around.

• 1:05:43Speaker 04

  That'd be a good podcast question. You can only have a car for one night. You can never own it or drive it again. Selena seven would be mine.

• 1:05:49Doug DeMuro?

  You'd pick a car you wouldn't want to be stuck with, but really want to experience.

• 1:05:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, man, that's a great question.

• 1:05:55Doug DeMuro?

  That is a great question. Ask it for next week. Uh, no, I want to talk about, there's, there's two more market report cars I want to talk about. One is the C4ZR1. I'll let you talk about it.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  Oh yeah. So, uh, this is not a very me car at all, I have to say, but I adore the C4ZR1 because of the LT5. The engine in this car was so ahead of its time, you know, and I, and Corvette hasn't done another engine like it since. And I have just loved these cars. I think they're really special. There aren't that many of them, and I think they're really cool. But they are such a value and everybody sleeps on them. This isn't like a

• 1:06:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they're gettable.

• 1:06:28Speaker 03

  Early C4s aren't the best cars. These cars were amazing, and I think that they're, they really are undervalued for what they are. I mean, they sell for 20 grand all day long.

• 1:06:38Doug DeMuro?

  That purple one. This one here.

• 1:06:40Speaker 04

  Red one, yeah.

• 1:06:41Doug DeMuro?

  This picture, this is a picture of the Midwest. A poorly maintained road, a C4 Corvette and personal watercraft on a lake. That is a photograph of the Midwest.

• 1:06:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, which Midwestern states are from?

• 1:06:55Doug DeMuro?

  New York. It's in New York.

• 1:06:58Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:06:59Speaker 03

  Famed Midwestern state. Yeah, but I mean, the, the spirit of it.

• 1:07:04Doug DeMuro?

  Spirit of the picture.

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  Is where Nick and I.

• 1:07:05Doug DeMuro?

  And he was trying to capture that because he knew his buyer was going to be in Indiana.

• 1:07:08Speaker 03

  Right. And he knew he's only got so many days.

• 1:07:10Doug DeMuro?

  But if you go to the rear, he even put a Michigan plate on it.

• 1:07:15Doug DeMuro?

  Then the famous one with the car. Um, C4ZR1 is pretty cheap. I've never driven one to know if it's good, uh, but it is cheap.

• 1:07:21Speaker 03

  Fat motor.

• 1:07:22Speaker 04

  Another plug to a random YouTube channel, but M O N Y C just had one on their channel last weekend. A barn find covered in like rat poop and all that, and watching them wash it and polish it. It's black. So satisfying.

• 1:07:34Doug DeMuro?

  The later ones seem cooler. I mean, you mentioned, you know, early ZR1s kind of suck. Truthfully, the

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  Early C4s.

• 1:07:39Doug DeMuro?

  Early C4s suck. Truthfully, the early ZR1s were actually pretty early in the C4 run. They were 90, 90, 91. It's kind of, but later they did eventually, they did go with the ZR1 all the way through to the end. Uh, where it kind of got better looking and probably got tighter.

• 1:07:53Speaker 03

  They got a lot more modern looking, that's for sure. Yeah. I, I just really like these cars. This is a Corvette I would actually genuinely consider owning. This and the C506 are like the two.

• 1:08:00Doug DeMuro?

  I want a C4 Grand Sport. Can you pull up a C4 Grand Sport? Just so I can look at it. I'm not even going to talk about it. We'll do it on another pot.

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  We'll just look at it.

• 1:08:06Doug DeMuro?

  I just want to look at it for just a minute. Grand Sport. Don't, don't.

• 1:08:10Speaker 04

  Wasn't there a one without the D though at some point?

• 1:08:13Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I think this car is the coolest looking Corvette.

• 1:08:16Speaker 03

  That's a picture of the Midwest.

• 1:08:17Doug DeMuro?

  Truly believe, yeah.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  March.

• 1:08:19Doug DeMuro?

  Truly believe this is the coolest looking Corvette of all time.

• 1:08:22Speaker 04

  Was that Grand Turismo?

• 1:08:24Speaker 03

  Of all time? You think the C2 split window is?

• 1:08:26Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, C2.

• 1:08:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:08:28Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, C2 split window followed by this.

• 1:08:31Speaker 04

  Oh, get the dog.

• 1:08:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a dog.

• 1:08:34Doug DeMuro?

  I just think the C4 Grand Sport is like a truly beautifully perfect car.

• 1:08:39Speaker 04

  Male dog or female?

• 1:08:40Doug DeMuro?

  And it was 96 only. It was the last model year of the C4. So it was like the best of breed. Oh.

• 1:08:47Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:08:47Doug DeMuro?

  I want one of those.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  Damn, it is cool.

• 1:08:49Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't I have one of those?

• 1:08:51Speaker 03

  Cause you got all this stuff.

• 1:08:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's time to make a list and start going after some cars. Okay, last thing I want to talk about is the mid-engine GTI.

• 1:08:58Speaker 04

  Back on cars.

• 1:08:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, this car.

• 1:08:59Doug DeMuro?

  We're back on cars, baby.

• 1:09:01Speaker 03

  Back on cars. This one was a bit of a surprise. It feels like it's up your alley.

• 1:09:06Speaker 04

  Did you see this one? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  This, I have no words for this exactly. So recently someone sold this as a, so someone sold a GTI.

• 1:09:15Speaker 04

  Oh, I didn't see the result.

• 1:09:16Speaker 03

  Where they put the engine in the middle. So this is the front. You can see no motor up here because it lives back here. Look at that.

• 1:09:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's a homemade R5 turbo.

• 1:09:28Speaker 03

  It is.

• 1:09:29Speaker 04

  That's cool.

• 1:09:30Doug DeMuro?

  And with, with the, with the vents, I mean, like if, if another, if another 20 grand had gone into this build, you could have made it like, look factory. Like obviously that, that doesn't really.

• 1:09:40Speaker 03

  But you could have painted that and made it look a little nicer, dressed it up a little bit. But otherwise the car looks pretty factory. I mean, I mean, there's some pretty big giveaways.

• 1:09:48Speaker 04

  It's a sleeper build in general.

• 1:09:49Speaker 03

  There's some pretty big giveaways. But it sold for $9,700. I think this is an unbelievably cool car.

• 1:09:57Doug DeMuro?

  I completely agree. I, I saw this come in when I was doing the dog's take and I was like, wait, what?

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  Did the comments say how you got California license plates on this? Cause.

• 1:10:06Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, I think, I think there's

• 1:10:08Speaker 03

  That's impressive.

• 1:10:08Doug DeMuro?

  There's a guy named, uh, Big Rick.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  Bubba.

• 1:10:11Doug DeMuro?

  And, uh, and he, and he's got a smog shop out somewhere out east of San Bernardino County. And, uh, anyway, uh, yada, yada, yada. He's got California plates on him.

• 1:10:21Speaker 03

  He's got a GTI.

• 1:10:22Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:10:22Speaker 03

  This Mark 6 GT happens to be there, you know, I mean, if it gets plugged in, there's another one.

• 1:10:27Doug DeMuro?

  Big Rick happens to also have a GTI.

• 1:10:29Speaker 03

  Hey, man.

• 1:10:30Doug DeMuro?

  Impressive.

• 1:10:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I, I, I just thought this was like the coolest thing. I thought it was gonna go for way more, to be honest. Cause you really never know with these oddball builds, but.

• 1:10:38Doug DeMuro?

  I, I, I wasn't surprised to see this result. I think that it's, you're buying someone else's project. And a car like this will kind of perpetually be a project, like truthfully, like it's, it's, it's not like it's finished. Like you're always gonna be have, have to be working on keeping it whatever cooled or et cetera. Uh, and so you've got to have some real mechanical know-how, but also you didn't want to do it yourself. You're just want to buy whatever someone else did.

• 1:11:04Speaker 03

  How cool.

• 1:11:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's cool as hell. I, I was astonished to see it come across. That and the Grand Cherokee, honestly, which also didn't sell for all that much with the, with the Hemi swap. Dude, let's, let's buy some swaps, but I think people are a little worried about buying people swap builds.

• 1:11:17Speaker 03

  Like, like.

• 1:11:18Doug DeMuro?

  9,500.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  Like Mike Burry, let's go buy some swaps.

• 1:11:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Okay. We gotta do questions. The questions are brought to us by Nick and his YouTube channel. Nick's YouTube channel. I don't know what it's called.

• 1:11:30Speaker 03

  Nick Rochon.

• 1:11:31Doug DeMuro?

  Go to Nick's YouTube channel. We don't know how to say his name.

• 1:11:33Speaker 03

  Rochon.

• 1:11:35Doug DeMuro?

  Go to Nick's YouTube channel. He sponsored our question segment today. So if you asked a question, uh, you have Nick to thank.

• 1:11:40Speaker 03

  I'd say thank you to Alyssa for listening to Doug and coming in strong. 431 comments this week with questions.

• 1:11:47Doug DeMuro?

  So many questions, so many good ones. Uh, in fact, Kenon wanted to submit a question from his friend Jeff, and I deleted it. Sorry, Jeff. Submit it in the thread.

• 1:11:56Speaker 03

  He did. It's in there.

• 1:11:59Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't get enough up though.

• 1:11:59Speaker 03

  I merely highlighted it.

• 1:12:01Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Uh, first question from, there's some good ones. I'm gonna, I'm gonna try to find. Okay. First question from F40RCK5. This is a great question and it's gonna go not the way the question asker hoped it would. Hey Doug, Kenon is an anti-modification guy. What cars do you think look better modified aesthetically, especially BMWs?

• 1:12:23Doug DeMuro?

  None.

• 1:12:25Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, I was at, I have a crazy experience. I was at a shop yesterday and the guy who runs the shop told me he bought a 996 C4S off the original owner who had died. And the wheels were factory chrome from oh two. And the way he solved that problem was he was putting on aftermarkets. And I'm like, man, the wide body 996 wheels are so attractive.

• 1:12:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:47Doug DeMuro?

  But anyway, the answer is none. Nick, your thoughts?

• 1:12:49Speaker 04

  I had a long list of cars. If we look at BMW only, anyone that does CSL mods on an E46.

• 1:12:58Doug DeMuro?

  But they never, the problem is they never stop where they should.

• 1:13:02Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 1:13:03Doug DeMuro?

  They do two, they do, there's only like three CSL mods and then they also just have to lower it and do tinted tails and do all this other dumb crap.

• 1:13:10Speaker 04

  No, it looks great.

• 1:13:13Speaker 04

  I'm good with that.

• 1:13:15Speaker 04

  I said, the Z3 and M Coupe Roadster, you gotta do a height adjustment. It needs just a mile drop.

• 1:13:23Doug DeMuro?

  There is not a single car I have ever thought looked better lowered than OE.

• 1:13:26Speaker 04

  I think every OE car looks better with spacers on it. The offsets are always too weak. Just push them out five, seven millimeters. It's all you need.

• 1:13:33Doug DeMuro?

  I think every OE car looks worse with spacers on it. When I see a car with spacers, I think to myself, that guy is smoking pot in the car.

• 1:13:41Speaker 03

  Look, perfect.

• 1:13:42Doug DeMuro?

  What's wrong with that? Well, you gotta smell.

• 1:13:44Speaker 03

  Right. Perfect example. CSL front bumper.

• 1:13:47Speaker 04

  Looks great.

• 1:13:48Doug DeMuro?

  Wrong wheels. Slammed with E92 M3 wheels.

• 1:13:51Speaker 03

  And then there's the CSL rear trunk lid and then the black kidney girls, of course, which is awful.

• 1:13:57Speaker 04

  I don't mind those either, but I know you hate them.

• 1:13:58Speaker 03

  They look terrible. They look like giant holes that are in the hood. It just.

• 1:14:02Speaker 04

  Look at the current BMW design language and those look pretty.

• 1:14:05Doug DeMuro?

  That's part of the benefit of that car is it doesn't have the current BMW.

• 1:14:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:14:08Doug DeMuro?

  I actually don't hate the black girls that much on non-black cars. On black cars, I think they look really stupid. It is very rare, truly very rare, where I find a aesthetic modification. This is very different about other modifications. An aesthetic modification where I think that it looks better.

• 1:14:24Speaker 04

  My guilty pleasure is carbon fiber vented hoods like that one white one there. I don't know why. I love that. I love it. I think it's the Steve Selena influence where the more vents equals faster. And so the more vents, like the S7 that you could put on a car, the faster I think it is, but.

• 1:14:41Speaker 03

  I love that. In all these pictures, they're taking from a low angle to high.

• 1:14:47Speaker 03

  The Knicks are like, no, get a close up of that.

• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  It's not for everyone. I have a zip tie holding the two girls together.

• 1:14:52Doug DeMuro?

  Mind you, when I see aesthetic modifications, I generally think like, why?

• 1:14:58Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:15:00Doug DeMuro?

  Even wheels, I'm a lover of factory wheels. I can tell if you show me any wheel ever, I can tell you exactly what car it was on. I am obsessed with factory wheels. I think the factory wheel designs have such an important component of the design and overall look of the vehicle. And I've bought cars based entirely on their factory wheel designs. And I really, truly believe the RS2. And I really, truly believe that like, very rare do I see aesthetic modifications benefiting. I think lowered cars look bad. I honestly generally think the factory sets the right height for a reason. And part of it is because when you lower a car, it ends up messing with the overall proportions and it, it doesn't look great. I'm different. Most people completely disagree with this.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  Nope, I agree wholeheartedly with that. I will say, yeah, well, that.

• 1:15:43Doug DeMuro?

  That's how you do it right. You want to mod a car aesthetically? Turn it, turn an E46 325i Touring into an M3, a factory looking M3 wagon?

• 1:15:51Speaker 03

  Those are, those are some mods I can get behind.

• 1:15:55Speaker 03

  I, I will say the one I would maybe give an exception to, although it was built by the factory is the X5 LM, which is on the

• 1:16:01Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, but it was

• 1:16:02Speaker 03

  BBS wheels, but it was built by BMW.

• 1:16:03Doug DeMuro?

  It was built by the factory.

• 1:16:04Speaker 03

  But it was an X5 that was really heavily modified.

• 1:16:07Doug DeMuro?

  The moment the factory comes into play, it's fine.

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  Well, okay, I agree. But I mean, otherwise it's an E53 on BBS LMs.

• 1:16:14Speaker 04

  If you feel that way, then it's slippery slope. What about a roof? What about an Alpina?

• 1:16:18Doug DeMuro?

  Roofs are modded cars.

• 1:16:20Speaker 04

  It's a factory did it.

• 1:16:21Doug DeMuro?

  But what factory?

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  Not the factory.

• 1:16:24Doug DeMuro?

  Roofs are, look, I'm gonna be honest, I'm gonna make, I'm gonna make a proclamation right here and now. We've said it, we've, we've intimated it before, let's just go for it.

• 1:16:31Speaker 03

  Just say it.

• 1:16:33Doug DeMuro?

  Roof is not an automaker.

• 1:16:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:16:37Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche makes the car, roof maybe does an engine, they mod the car, we could make an engine. Like roof is not an automaker. And so everybody's like, the roof such and such was the fastest car in the world. No, it wasn't.

• 1:16:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't view the yellow bird as being, it was faster than the F40. I view the F40 as like holding the record.

• 1:16:59Doug DeMuro?

  Let's mod an F40.

• 1:17:00Speaker 03

  Right, exactly. When you modify something and it's faster than something that isn't modified, it's like, well, you're not apples to apples comparing.

• 1:17:07Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they have their own VIN. I don't care. Like, to me, if you park those, it doesn't pass the my wife test. That's the thing. If you park that car next to a 964, my wife would think it's the exact same car. You park an F40 there, that's a different car.

• 1:17:22Speaker 00

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• 1:17:54Speaker 04

  SL65 and SLR wouldn't pass the my wife test.

• 1:17:57Doug DeMuro?

  Well, the roadster. See, that's why you buy a SLR coupe. Because the coupe has much better lines and hopefully you'll do that.

• 1:18:02Speaker 04

  It's a good thing I haven't committed either way, so it's plenty of time.

• 1:18:06Doug DeMuro?

  I think that is the drawback of the SLR roadster is there's too much SL.

• 1:18:09Speaker 04

  Strongly on the roof as well as modifications.

• 1:18:12Doug DeMuro?

  You think roof is an automaker? They make 20 cars, they get their own VIN and somebody's like, well, they have their own VIN.

• 1:18:18Speaker 04

  When Aloisa Roof showed me the rodeo at Car Week, I fell in love twice in the same moment.

• 1:18:23Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Was one of the lungs, she gave you a free cowboy hat?

• 1:18:28Speaker 04

  It was, didn't hurt.

• 1:18:30Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't hurt, yeah. Uh, okay. Anyway, that's where our stance on modification. Thankfully Nick, uh, is right here to, uh, give us.

• 1:18:39Speaker 03

  Stand up for modifications.

• 1:18:40Doug DeMuro?

  Stand up for modifications.

• 1:18:41Speaker 03

  I'm gonna continue.

• 1:18:42Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's all into this. Hook on that.

• 1:18:43Speaker 04

  I am into that.

• 1:18:43Doug DeMuro?

  Nick's like, yeah.

• 1:18:44Speaker 04

  I love the front lip, but that's easy to redo.

• 1:18:47Speaker 03

  Man, that looks like it just scrapes on everything.

• 1:18:49Doug DeMuro?

  That's the other thing. Modifications almost exclusively have some downstream negative effects. Almost always.

• 1:18:55Speaker 04

  But also some positive upstream effects.

• 1:18:59Speaker 04

  Right? If you take that thing to the track, I'm gonna have more G's and I'm gonna stick.

• 1:19:04Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  I'm gonna out apex you and your, your ride height designed to not hit parking barriers when you go to the public supermarket in South Florida.

• 1:19:12Speaker 03

  Out apex, you're gonna, you're gonna high center the car.

• 1:19:16Doug DeMuro?

  The truth is his body kit was probably $24,000 and the guy's terrified to take the car anywhere.

• 1:19:20Speaker 03

  Right, yep.

• 1:19:21Doug DeMuro?

  He, this parking lot is next to his house and completely flat entrances.

• 1:19:24Speaker 03

  Yep, exactly. The high, open highway is the only place he can drive it.

• 1:19:27Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Next question, next question, next question from Emerson4757. I'm curious your take on this, guys. I had a couple of years from 20 to 22 where I took a break from cars completely. Have you guys ever taken breaks from interest in cars or were you always into it?

• 1:19:43Speaker 03

  It's a great question. Uh, I do occasionally take a break from it. Cause it, it's funny cause I also am very fortunate that I get to like work in the automotive industry, which is something that I'm passionate about. And when your work and play are the same thing, it like, it, it can be exhausting. I have a lot of other interests. And so what I often do is I'll just indulge one of them. Like I'll go like when winter comes, I usually become way more interested in watches than cars, despite living in Southern California. It's just, that's what I'm used to. And so like, sometimes I'll just indulge those, but I do need some breaks from it because like, you know, it, it just wears on you after a time, I think.

• 1:20:16Doug DeMuro?

  I've never taken a break in my life, not even for a minute.

• 1:20:18Speaker 03

  Not in interest. You take a break from purchasing, that's for sure.

• 1:20:22Doug DeMuro?

  But I'm still like watching the market every day, thinking about cars, watching YouTube car videos. It's literally never even for a moment since I was, as long as I can remember.

• 1:20:33Speaker 04

  Same for me. The college, you couldn't have a car. Like there just wasn't adequate parking.

• 1:20:37Doug DeMuro?

  That made me even more desire.

• 1:20:38Speaker 04

  I spent so much time playing racing video games as well as hanging out on E46 Fanatics. I never owned an E46. That was like my home for four years in college and like.

• 1:20:49Doug DeMuro?

  Why? Why that instead of?

• 1:20:51Speaker 04

  Why I like modded CSLs. When some dude Chrome wrapped a CSL Flossman, uh, in Canada and everyone said, oh my gosh, Chrome M3, like took over the internet in my world. And like, I'd be like in like, you know, gender science 101 or whatever. And like, did you see the Chrome M3?

• 1:21:06Doug DeMuro?

  He said Northwestern on E46 Fanatics, even though he never owned, did you ever want an E46?

• 1:21:09Speaker 04

  I still want an E46 and it's a very achievable dream, but I haven't done it.

• 1:21:13Doug DeMuro?

  Did you know this? I always knew he was on AudiZine. He was, Nick was AudiZiner of the month about 13 years ago. You can, you can actually Google it. It's still live on this.

• 1:21:21Speaker 04

  Yes, shout out Anthony. Um, yes, no, but so that was the closest same with I lived in DC for a year and a half. I didn't have a car there, but I was still like hanging out on car forums and car culture. I just couldn't physically drive anything.

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  I knew this about you. I don't know why you did this, but I didn't know.

• 1:21:38Doug DeMuro?

  Let me tell you something. When, when Nick, let me, let me tell you something. When, when I met Nick, uh, he was a, he was a, he didn't have a kid yet, you know, a child. And he, he was really into cars. He had that TTRs that he modded, the one that he money shifted.

• 1:21:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, the money.

• 1:21:51Doug DeMuro?

  And, and, and he's copying to it now, finally. He money shifted his TTRs and, and, and then he had his, his, his daughter. And I kind of thought we would lose Nick. I kind of thought that would be the end.

• 1:22:03Speaker 04

  I got the tie in.

• 1:22:04Doug DeMuro?

  I made it, I made it clear. I was like, Nick, I think this is kind of the end for you and your cars. And he actually, that's kind of was a turning point where he began to get crazier.

• 1:22:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:13Doug DeMuro?

  Actually, in retrospect.

• 1:22:15Speaker 04

  Maybe that's when my sleep apnea started.

• 1:22:17Speaker 03

  Our friend group is very healthy and.

• 1:22:18Doug DeMuro?

  In quick succession, Nick got like an RS4, then an RA, then the Mercy and various other cars. And he, he, he really proved me wrong there.

• 1:22:28Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:22:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. But I was afraid that that would happen to Nick then.

• 1:22:30Speaker 04

  Spike cars.

• 1:22:31Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from Special K24, which is a great username question. It's a, it's a Honda thing. Question for Doug. Doug, can you peel back the curtain on insurance and other cost fees? Uh, as part of owning a small fleet of supercars, you do a nice job sharing maintenance and repair items. But I am curious what it costs on owning these. Also, are you still doing storage? I am not. The cars are all stored at my house and the office because we have all the space. But, uh, ownership, you know, I never really think about that. I mean, uh, yeah, the, the insurance expense. The rest of the cars are not insane, uh, but I don't know that I've ever really discussed it. I should probably make a video about it. Sean will be mad that I put it in this video. But, uh, Carriggi T is about 10 grand a year to insure. It's a thousand bucks a month.

• 1:23:12Doug DeMuro?

  That's a lot. And then you add up the other cars and my bill at Hagerty, which comes due every February is almost $20,000 a year. And just in general, when you kind of make some money, like insurance is like an unbelievable part of my life. I spend an unbelievable amount of money every year on insurance. But that's, that's, that's about it. And then registration is, is what it is. I mean, you can look those up. They're all kind of percentages and stuff. It's not that crazy because my cars are mostly old and the states, the two states that I live in here in Massachusetts and in California, it's based primarily on the original value of the car. And so it's not, it's not crazy to renew the plates, but insurance is high.

• 1:23:53Speaker 03

  Ten grand, that's not that crazy for a 1.3 million dollar car.

• 1:23:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, I think Hagerty knows that people who own these cars are not, well, first off, they're not going to file claims. No, like ultimately, but also that, you know, people who own these cars are not, they're so, they're so careful.

• 1:24:11Speaker 03

  Yep. And if you have multiple of them, that really proves that point.

• 1:24:14Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, Hagerty, I pay 11 grand a year and it doesn't sound like all that much considering the car is so valuable. However, how many days do you even drive that car? Like, it's like once a week and not for 90 days in the summer. So I don't know, do I drive it 30 days? Their risk is limited to probably 20 miles on 30 days.

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  And that's, that's one of the great things, or one of the things that's often misunderstood, I think, about exotic car insurance. Cause like my 355, it was like, it was like, it added like a hundred and one dollars a month. Like, because they knew I wasn't going to drive that car very much. So the risk is substantially lower. Now, if something happens, it's a problem, but.

• 1:24:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. What's the Mercy Lago situation there?

• 1:24:51Speaker 04

  It's like, I want to say five or six grand a year. It's not terrible either.

• 1:24:56Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, I do assume I get some sort of discount with Carr G T because I have so many, I have like 2.7 million dollars in cars insured with that.

• 1:25:02Speaker 04

  That's where I was going to go. When I added the Arnage, the total policy went down because the multi-car discount, say it's 5% off, was subtracted off the Mercy than the cost to add the Arnage, which they assume is just like worth nothing. So like.

• 1:25:15Doug DeMuro?

  And they're right.

• 1:25:16Speaker 04

  The Arnage actually saved me money on insurance by bringing down my total bill more than.

• 1:25:20Speaker 03

  But it costs you a hell of a lot.

• 1:25:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's true. It's it's it's bit me on the other end.

• 1:25:25Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from R. Laur. Hey, all. Uh, after all your years of driving manual cars, how often do you guys accidentally stall? A couple of times a year. Does it never happen anymore? Stalled the Carr GT today. Uh, it does still happen. It is very rare. I generally only do real miles in the three manual cars that I own, uh, and I am really dialed in with how to how to operate them. Yep. How often you stop? Probably all the time.

• 1:25:47Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I think between my attention span and everything else, it's bound to happen. I, Matt Ivanhoe, let me test drive a 996 GT3 Club Sport.

• 1:25:56Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:25:57Speaker 04

  And I stalled it out on a hill. And then like, he was looking at me like, you idiot. And then that just made me like, completely freak out. And like, it took me like, a minute to get going again.

• 1:26:06Doug DeMuro?

  Sometimes unfamiliar cars can be hard, although when I am doing videos with unfamiliar manual cars, I am putting an enormous amount of effort and attention.

• 1:26:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:26:13Doug DeMuro?

  Which Nick doesn't into that driving experience.

• 1:26:17Speaker 04

  Frazzled.

• 1:26:17Doug DeMuro?

  Like, I didn't even stall the crazy BMW 700. I didn't stall it once, which is hard to do.

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  Right. It stalled itself on me, but I did not stall.

• 1:26:25Speaker 04

  Well, with the Mercy, when you drive it tomorrow, you'll find it does. It almost needs no gas. Like, it could just go on its own like a Carr GT.

• 1:26:31Doug DeMuro?

  Generally speaking, the exotic cars, that's true.

• 1:26:33Speaker 04

  The multiply, you gotta pretty much do full throttle.

• 1:26:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:37Speaker 04

  Uh, so you just gotta like, like, if you go from one to the other really quickly, like, you're you're putting way too much pressure on one pedal or the other. So.

• 1:26:44Speaker 03

  I still, I want to say it's been, uh, once in the last three years, I think.

• 1:26:49Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:26:50Speaker 03

  Like, I remember, it was my M5, too. It was like, there was a situation where there's like, a lot going on. And so I was paying attention to something else. And I just.

• 1:26:56Doug DeMuro?

  What about in, you drive a lot of other cars, like, when they come off the truck here and?

• 1:27:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't have any problems with those.

• 1:27:01Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 1:27:01Speaker 03

  I mean, because I always like, you test the throttle pedal first, you figure out where the bite point is. Once you know that, it's.

• 1:27:06Doug DeMuro?

  And plus, with unfamiliar cars, I tend to be, uh, particularly like, safe. Like, I, I, I don't like, try to get it at the exact, I, I probably put in a little too much gas and a little too much, you know what I mean? Trying to make sure that I don't stall, because that's not.

• 1:27:19Speaker 04

  Backing the Mercy off the top of a transporter truck. I stole.

• 1:27:24Doug DeMuro?

  Reason alone.

• 1:27:24Speaker 04

  That was so, it has about this much clearance on both sides from the wheels. For whatever reason, the transport driver, he couldn't fit in the car, I think was the issue. And they made us back it up. Now that was one where you're just like, I can't.

• 1:27:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, reason alone not to want to transport.

• 1:27:37Speaker 03

  Or his putting it in the truck.

• 1:27:38Speaker 04

  I, I very careful.

• 1:27:39Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, okay. Last question, final question, last question, final question, last question. Let's talk about it. Have S2K reactions to Larry Chen visiting the Brunei car collection? I have not watched this video yet.

• 1:27:50Speaker 04

  I did.

• 1:27:51Doug DeMuro?

  It's 45 minutes long, but nothing, there's nothing new, right?

• 1:27:53Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:27:54Doug DeMuro?

  He doesn't go to see the most special cars.

• 1:27:56Speaker 03

  No, he goes to see the Princesses collection of cars, which are nothing. I mean, like the only Ferrari was a Mondeau. Like it's like, it genuinely is like, and it is sad to see all those cars. I mean, they are genuinely rotting away.

• 1:28:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's cool that he got there. It's cool that someone did it. We did not get in to see the cars that are not rotting away.

• 1:28:11Speaker 03

  And I think the whole point of the video, it focuses more on Brunei car culture because the cars get out or auctioned off by the family regularly. Cause they have so many of them.

• 1:28:19Doug DeMuro?

  All the time. It's always.

• 1:28:19Speaker 03

  All the time. So those cars stay in Brunei and are owned by locals there. And the car culture surrounding them is very cool, but like, ain't nobody getting to see the real stuff.

• 1:28:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the um, getting, just getting in is cool. The fact that someone was there is super cool. We want to see Prince Jeffrey's crazy cars. And you know, I will say, this is my interpretation of this whole thing. I think the Brunei royal family to this day is a little embarrassed about the whole thing.

• 1:28:46Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:28:47Doug DeMuro?

  And so they've never, they, they don't really sell cars out of the collection and the, the important ones. They do auction off like Mercedes, basically all the time.

• 1:28:55Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:28:55Doug DeMuro?

  But they, they've never really sold any of the really big cars, a few here and there, but generally not. Um, they've never opened it up to the public, even though it would have enormous public interest.

• 1:29:06Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:06Doug DeMuro?

  And I think they're, they're a little embarrassed about it.

• 1:29:08Speaker 04

  I think it's a mistake though.

• 1:29:09Doug DeMuro?

  I agree.

• 1:29:10Speaker 04

  It's the only reason most people know where Brunei is or have heard of it.

• 1:29:14Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely.

• 1:29:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:15Doug DeMuro?

  And, and those cars are so special. It was an unbelievable time in the automotive industry, uh, in the exotic car world. And I think a, a public museum there would be unbelievable.

• 1:29:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, I, I agree. Um, I think they should be more embarrassed about the cars they're letting rot away. That is more embarrassing to me than the crazy one-off stuff they built.

• 1:29:35Doug DeMuro?

  Eh.

• 1:29:36Speaker 03

  But by the same token, it did keep Rolls Royce and Bentley around.

• 1:29:40Doug DeMuro?

  And people are now saying Aston Martin had the same, was saying the same thing and kept them going.

• 1:29:45Speaker 03

  Likely.

• 1:29:46Doug DeMuro?

  Brunei, hopefully, I'm super interested to see that video. Haven't watched it yet, but excited to see it when I do. Sad that we still can't get what we really want, which is me and Nick go to Brunei ourselves.

• 1:29:58Speaker 03

  You've taken me on that trip. I'm not just gonna let you take Nick here.

• 1:30:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:02Speaker 03

  Sorry, I'm going on that one.

• 1:30:03Doug DeMuro?

  You can't allow Nick into a Muslim country. You gotta, you gotta be, you gotta have minders. He's gotta have minders.

• 1:30:10Speaker 03

  I think we'll just put like a collar on his wrist and just zap him every time he starts to say something insane.

• 1:30:15Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, there we go. That's our podcast. Ken, any final thoughts for us?

• 1:30:19Speaker 03

  That best one we've ever done.

• 1:30:21Doug DeMuro?

  Best pod we've ever done. Nick is here and I'm thrilled about it.

• 1:30:25Speaker 04

  I'm thrilled to be here.

• 1:30:26Doug DeMuro?

  Lovely. All right.

• 1:30:26Speaker 04

  Get on the Mercy next week.

• 1:30:28Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, big Mercy week. Maybe there'll be an SLR. We don't know.

• 1:30:32Speaker 04

  Never find out.

• 1:30:32Doug DeMuro?

  We're not announcing.

• 1:30:33Speaker 03

  Have mercy.

• 1:30:34Speaker 04

  I think I'm gonna get an SL65 if anyone has one.

• 1:30:37Doug DeMuro?

  Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:30:38Speaker 03

  Goodbye.

• 1:30:59Speaker 00

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