Behind the Scenes Minis: Iceland and Obstinance

Tracy talks about the way she usually handles names in episodes, and how Icelandic naming conventions changes that. Holly discusses the way that one leader’s petulance can lead nations into unnecessary conflict. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 2:16Tracy V. Wilson?

  Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production of iHeart Radio.

• 2:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Happy Friday. I am Tracy V. Wilson.

• 2:30Holly Frey?

  And I'm Holly Frey.

• 2:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  One of our episodes this week was about Jón Arson and the Protestant Reformation coming to Iceland.

• 2:40Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 2:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  We tried very hard to say all of the Icelandic things correctly.

• 2:48Holly Frey?

  I'm so bad at Icelandic.

• 2:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, it's a challenging language.

• 2:55Tracy V. Wilson?

  There are some phonemes in Icelandic that just aren't in English. And that makes it very hard to try to learn to say things correctly as an adult. That's the case with other languages, too. That's not just, it's not unique to Icelandic.

• 3:14Holly Frey?

  Icelandic does have a reputation for being very hard.

• 3:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 3:18Holly Frey?

  To learn.

• 3:20Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. And there's just some of the words, because of the way the language works, some of the words are very long. And so it will be a long word that has multiple parts in it that aren't really

• 3:30Tracy V. Wilson?

  sounds that really exist in English.

• 3:33Holly Frey?

  And that is why I can never move permanently to Iceland. Because you have to learn the language to get citizenship.

• 3:41Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yep.

• 3:42Holly Frey?

  And I think I would be on the struggle bus with that.

• 3:46Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 3:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  I think I would have a challenge of the, the long, dark winters. Because just living in Massachusetts, where the nights in winter are longer and it gets dark earlier than anywhere else that I've ever lived, it's rough. And I am totally aware that this is not the earliest sunset in the world or the longest night in the world. But just even the difference between Atlanta, Georgia and...

• 4:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  Eastern Massachusetts. Yeah. Difficult. So normally, when I'm writing episodes, the way I generally approach people's names is when we are talking about children, I'm using their first names. Yeah. Because it just feels a little weird to me to just refer to a child with only their last name. Right. And then usually that person becomes an adult over the course of the episode. And at that point in the episode writing, I am usually referring to them by their last name in a lot of cases, unless it's going to be confusing. I did not do this in this episode because of how names work in Iceland. Right.

• 5:02Tracy V. Wilson?

  Because like Jon Arson's son was Bjorn Jonsson. And, you know, Bjorn Jonsson's son would have been something Bjornson probably. And it just felt very weird to me to spend the whole time calling a man named Jon by the name of his father as his father's son. So I felt a little weird. So if you noticed that that seemed a little different from a lot of our episodes, that's why. Also, I've been to two of the places we talked about in this episode. One of them, we went to on our trip.

• 5:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  We stopped at Skallholt. Yeah.

• 5:41Tracy V. Wilson?

  I think that was on. We stopped at Allthing also, right? Oh, sure. Yes, well, the Allthing, yes, for sure. We were at Thingvallir, the assembly fields where the, where the Allthing historically met. I forgot about that one. Yes, we went there, we walked all through there. But in terms of the other places, we stopped at Skallholt on our trip. And I think that was the day that we were supposed to go snowmobiling, but we didn't get to go snowmobiling because the glacier was too melty. It was too warm for snowmobiles. Yeah, so we had other stops that we made on that day.

• 6:21Holly Frey?

  Horsies?

• 6:22Tracy V. Wilson?

  We got to feed some Icelandic horses with what their, you know, the farm where they lived on described as horse candy, which is very charming. You could buy some horse candy and feed the horses. There was a very stern sign saying that the horses were allowed to eat their horse candy and nothing else.

• 6:41Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 6:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  So if you go to whatever horse farm this was, don't try to feed the horses, your random apple or whatever.

• 6:49Holly Frey?

  No.

• 6:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  Only horse candy.

• 6:52Tracy V. Wilson?

  So we stopped at this place where we saw the, like, the church that's there now. There was a little museum in the church with kind of an honor system, pay to be able to go in there. And

• 7:10Holly Frey?

  And then there was the murder barn.

• 7:14Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, yeah, the murder. Yeah, you talk about that part.

• 7:17Holly Frey?

  I'm trying to remember all the details because I will admit that my own

• 7:23Holly Frey?

  activities in the murder barn were probably different than most of the

• 7:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Well, and I spent more time in the little museum part, so I didn't see as much of this.

• 7:33Holly Frey?

  Yeah, the murder barn was just a little barn where a murder has occurred.

• 7:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  All right.

• 7:37Holly Frey?

  At one point. But my dear friend Bernadette, who was with us on this trip, and I decided this is terrible. And I hope nobody who is Icelandic or lives there thinks this is terribly disrespectful. But we decided that we would stage out photographs that look like the end of midsummer. Just if you've seen that movie, you know what we're talking about. And if you haven't, then you don't.

• 8:05Tracy V. Wilson?

  I missed all of this completely.

• 8:07Holly Frey?

  Yeah, we were giggling because that's a movie we have watched together and

• 8:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 8:11Holly Frey?

  have fond memories of. It's not a fun movie, but it's very good.

• 8:15Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 8:15Holly Frey?

  But yes, there's a thing that happens in a similar structure at the end of that movie that is very upsetting. And we thought it would be. Fun to reenact it.

• 8:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 8:26Holly Frey?

  I don't know.

• 8:26Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 8:29Holly Frey?

  That was an idyllic little place, though.

• 8:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 8:32Holly Frey?

  Super pretty.

• 8:32Tracy V. Wilson?

  I felt that way a lot about a lot of the places we stopped.

• 8:35Holly Frey?

  I mean, I'm I'm so obsessed with Iceland, it's not even funny.

• 8:39Tracy V. Wilson?

  I'm also not sure if that was a place that was a planned stop for the day because I don't really remember. Our schedule that day changed so much because of the cancelling of the snowmobiling.

• 8:47Holly Frey?

  I think that was a last minute addition because our schedule had opened up.

• 8:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. This, one of the things that our guide, God, was really great about was planning in advance where our bathroom stops were gonna be.

• 9:02Holly Frey?

  Bless that man.

• 9:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Which, I mean, it's it's necessary if you're in Iceland with a group of people because you're probably gonna be traveling distances without necessarily a place in between them to stop.

• 9:16Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 9:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  And so I don't remember if that had been like on the schedule from the beginning, planned bathroom stop at the end of the day. But I do remember, I think I remember there also being a bathroom there.

• 9:29Holly Frey?

  There was. It was a little pay one in the little area.

• 9:33Tracy V. Wilson?

  An Honor System app for paying to go to the bathroom.

• 9:36Holly Frey?

  Yeah, like shout out to God for that, by the way, because not only would he plan frequent stops, but whenever we got on the bus, he would say, the next bathroom is 90 minutes away and also seat belts, please. But like that way you knew, okay, I could drink my soda because we're gonna have a stop at this point in time. Or like, maybe I should lay off on the coffee because it's gonna, this one's a longer wait. Like, you don't think about how important and helpful that kind of planning is.

• 10:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 10:05Holly Frey?

  Until you have someone doing it and you're like, this trip felt so much more relaxed and easy because I never had to worry.

• 10:11Tracy V. Wilson?

  There has been more bathroom angst at all of our other trips to Europe when we typically did not have an advanced time planned for when we would be making that stop. So my first trip to Iceland on my honeymoon, we stayed overnight, at least one night, possibly two nights, in Loigervaten, which is a place that we only drove through when we were there in November. And where, it's not a big place, but where we were was right by that pool that we talked about in the episode. And so we had just walking around, kind of discovered this little pool, took pictures of it, took pictures of those stones,

• 10:53Tracy V. Wilson?

  took a picture of the explanatory sign, the English language portion of it. And so when I was writing this episode, I was like, I definitely have been to that pool. And I definitely remember reading something on the sign about something historically significant. And so I had to go through my honeymoon pictures and find my picture of the sign to refer back to it.

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• 15:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  Last random thing that I had on my list of things to talk about is Jón Arson's poetry. I've read none of it. I don't know if there are translations of it into English outside of the context of like, isolated things in academic papers. But, you know, poetry doesn't still exist. It still exists in Icelandic. I read descriptions of people, like, describing how it worked as poetry and the kind of the forms that it uses. And it was far enough for my experience reading English poetry that I was like, I don't even really understand this. But there was a paper in which somebody named W. P. Kerr, who was the vice president of the Viking Society for Northern Research.

• 16:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  This paper came out in 1914. He described Jón Arson's poetry as "something that cannot be explained except to those who understand it already."

• 16:50Holly Frey?

  It's kind of like, if you don't get it, don't bother.

• 16:54Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah, don't even try. Um, so anyway, I am very glad, I'm very glad that we had, uh, God as our guide on that trip. He was great. He was amazing.

• 17:05Holly Frey?

  What a delight.

• 17:06Tracy V. Wilson?

  Knew so much stuff. Um, and had he not told me, or told us, told the whole group, had he not told us that story, I would not have had this episode to talk about, or I would not have had this idea to talk about on an episode. So, uh, thank you for all of your many things that you did for our group on our trip and also telling me that.

• 17:28Holly Frey?

  He was an absolute delight. Love God. I love that he will ping me on WhatsApp with Star Wars things when he sees them now. He's, he's the best.

• 17:37Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Uh, he also sent some pictures of, uh,

• 17:40Holly Frey?

  New Year's.

• 17:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  New Year celebration.

• 17:44Holly Frey?

  It's beautiful.

• 17:44Tracy V. Wilson?

  It's great. Great.

• 17:46Holly Frey?

  I gotta figure out when I'm going back, cause I am going back. I just don't know when yet.

• 17:50Tracy V. Wilson?

  I really, I really love Iceland. I love visiting Iceland. Um, I have now been at two similar, but different types of, times of year because the first time that I went was for our honeymoon. We were there late April, early May, um, which was a little earlier than like the high season of, uh, tourist stuff. And we were there this time in November, which is a little later than the high season of the tourist stuff.

• 18:18Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 18:19Tracy V. Wilson?

  A little less advantageous for weather in both cases. Uh, I can't remember if I said this already. My absolute number one favorite purchase of what I bought for myself before our trip to Iceland last November was rain pants. Best choice of things to pack and have with me. Uh, I felt one million percent more comfortable with my rain pants on than I had felt, uh, you know, however, many years prior in the wind and the rain, wearing in most cases, blue jeans with a pair of tights underneath. Because I only had one pair of flannel lined blue jeans and I wound up making myself some long johns out of tights

• 19:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  that I wasn't gonna wear again as tights on the trip. Yeah. So anyway.

• 19:09Holly Frey?

  Uh, my previous trip was at the end of May. It was beautiful.

• 19:12Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. Yeah. Well, and that's, uh, after our honeymoon, Patrick and I had this conversation of, okay, we want to go back. Do we want to go back during Northern Lights season? Try to see the Northern Lights? Or do we want to go back like in the height of summer?

• 19:25Holly Frey?

  Well, and you never know, because I was there at the end of May and it was a freak year when you could still see the Northern Lights. So like, and we couldn't see them this trip when it was supposed to be ideal time.

• 19:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right. Right. The, uh, when we were there late April, early May, we stayed at a hotel that has a wake up service. You could put your name on a list and they had the name list out when we checked in. And I was like, oh, I know there's not much of a chance of this really happening, but I'm going to put our name on it. And the person at the front desk said, actually, they were out last night quite bright. And we didn't have the list out because from our perspective, the season for the Northern Lights is over. Like it was at the time of the year where it's not fully dark at any point at night.

• 20:10Holly Frey?

  Right.

• 20:10Tracy V. Wilson?

  Um, but she was like, yeah, the Northern Lights were out last night and we didn't have the list out and people were really upset. Uh, and where Patrick and I had been the night before, it was really overcast. So we would not have been able to see them. But anyway, anyway, Iceland, love it.

• 20:24Holly Frey?

  Iceland, you're, you're the best.

• 20:27Tracy V. Wilson?

  Occasional history episodes with multiple beheadings. Um, love those two for a different reason.

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• 23:29Holly Frey?

  We talked about the Isles of Scilly this week.

• 23:31Tracy V. Wilson?

  Uh huh.

• 23:32Holly Frey?

  And the 335 years war.

• 23:35Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 23:36Holly Frey?

  The Isles of Scilly are officially on my tourism bucket list now.

• 23:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 23:43Holly Frey?

  Cause they look beautiful.

• 23:44Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yes.

• 23:45Holly Frey?

  And I knew precious little about them before we did this. I had seen this particular story in blurb form.

• 23:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right, me too.

• 23:52Holly Frey?

  On a number of occasions, but actually looking at it, I'm like, oh, I see.

• 23:56Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 23:56Holly Frey?

  Oh, I, this is a lot of people making decisions that are bad and that nobody wants. Look at that. Look how that goes.

• 24:04Tracy V. Wilson?

  Sometimes when I'm trying to find something kind of ridiculous to talk about on the show, I mean, sometimes we need some humor in the episodes. And so I'll wind up Googling something like most ridiculous wars. And this is one that has wound up, you know, on several.

• 24:21Holly Frey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 24:23Tracy V. Wilson?

  So yeah, it's, it's a, it's a basic setup that had crossed my screen a number of times in the past, but I had no concept of the full context for it.

• 24:35Holly Frey?

  Right. Um, one guy who just wants his way really caused a lot of problems. I love the idea of paying for things with daffodils.

• 24:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  I like that better than.

• 24:48Holly Frey?

  The puffins, because the puffins were gonna end up on a plate.

• 24:51Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 24:52Holly Frey?

  It's fun to, to think about, like, here are your, here's your herd of puffins.

• 24:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 24:58Holly Frey?

  That's inherently funny, but then, you know.

• 25:00Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. When I was in Iceland, uh, years ago on my honeymoon, I got to hold a rescue puffin at an aquarium. It was a puffin who could not live in the wild anymore.

• 25:12Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 25:12Tracy V. Wilson?

  Was being cared for at the aquarium. Um, and was so soft.

• 25:19Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 25:21Tracy V. Wilson?

  That as, as a person who does eat some meat, I was like, I can't, I could never eat one of these. It captured my, my heart to touch this incredibly soft puffin.

• 25:35Holly Frey?

  If you ever meet a cow, you might be doomed.

• 25:38Tracy V. Wilson?

  Oh, I've met cows before.

• 25:40Holly Frey?

  Yeah, me too. They're so sweet.

• 25:42Tracy V. Wilson?

  Somehow the fact that, um, But like, I grew up around cows and my grandfather had cows and would gift the family with a side of beef at Christmas. Like, that feels a little different than this puffin, who I met for the first time as a grown adult.

• 26:03Holly Frey?

  Right. Yeah. I mean, some of it is just like culturally what you were accustomed to.

• 26:08Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 26:08Holly Frey?

  Yeah. Puffins are so cute and goofy. I love them. Yeah, I just so struck in this one by the ways that conflicts wage on and do real, really kind of come down to, you know, disagreements that often, particularly in this case, right? Like, part of me going, no dude, you can't have money for that. No dude, you really can't. Sorry dude, you can't do that. Him going, I'm gonna do it anyway. He totally kinda lever Jenkinsed his way into a big, big scandal that impacted a lot of people.

• 26:48Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah. That is something that has come up on the show before in the context of other episodes. And I went, because I was trying to remember, like, I remember, we have talked about the basics of this context before. And in my looking through old outlines, could not put my finger on which episodes those were.

• 27:08Holly Frey?

  Yeah. Um, but I, I like it. And I like the fact that, you know, someone figured out that this was still a hanging chat, essentially. How can we fix this in a way that looks great for all of us and is actually pretty lighthearted and fun? I love that. Paperwork. It'll get you every time. File your, file your TPS reports, or someone will have to realize you're at war. Um, some of this, obviously, as we talk about the English Civil Wars.

• 27:41Holly Frey?

  Those have been things that for me have always been a little difficult to get my head around because there are so many moving parts. And because this was a time when I had to kind of distill that down into like easier broad strokes.

• 27:57Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 27:58Holly Frey?

  I suddenly was like, oh, now I get it. Now I see. I, oh, that other thing we've talked about. It was one of those great moments where we talk about this. I know we've talked about this during live shows for sure. Like, the longer we do this show, the greater puzzle that is world history gets filled in a little each time.

• 28:17Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 28:18Holly Frey?

  And this was one of those where a lot of pieces clicked together and some weird shaped thing I thought I would never find went bloop. And I was like, oh.

• 28:25Tracy V. Wilson?

  It's right there.

• 28:26Holly Frey?

  Alrighty, alrighty, Rue. Now I get it. Now I, now I get it. Now, listen, don't quiz me on it because in two weeks I'll be like, I don't remember. I don't know what happened there. Uh, but maybe.

• 28:36Tracy V. Wilson?

  Yeah.

• 28:37Holly Frey?

  Maybe it will be retained. I don't want anybody to be at war because I'm a hippie, but that's how it is.

• 28:43Tracy V. Wilson?

  Same here.

• 28:44Holly Frey?

  Nobody wants to listen to me, apparently. Um, yeah, meh. Yeah, let's go to the Isles of Scilly at some point. Tell my list. Next time I go to England, I'm gonna have to figure out a little, a little off the coast visit. Because I want to go. I want to see all the little things. I also just love like those little places that are, uh, don't have a huge population and have a tourism industry that is a kajillion times. I know that's not mathematically real.

• 29:18Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 29:19Holly Frey?

  Um, but it's kind, Iceland is not dissimilar. Uh, because, you know, it has, I think at last count, what we were told when we were there a couple of months ago, 400,000 people now, which is actually up quite a bit from what it was not that long ago. But they do more than 2 million people a year in tourism, which is a lot. And so this is kind of, this is a bigger gap in terms of like proportion. Because if there are 1,800 people and 100,000 people are coming a year, that's

• 29:47Tracy V. Wilson?

  Right.

• 29:48Holly Frey?

  That's a bigger jump.

• 29:49Tracy V. Wilson?

  That made me think about, uh, western North Carolina, which is A big tourist destination, Asheville specifically, and a lot of the other cities and towns in the area, tourist destinations. And after, like, in the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Helene, there was a lot of discourse from people saying, "We should move away from tourism." Like, we were so reliant on tourism dollars, and now we've had this disaster. And it was one of those things where I was like, "I get that sentiment, but also that disaster is so enormous that every industry that could be there would also be affected."

• 30:33Holly Frey?

  Yeah.

• 30:34Tracy V. Wilson?

  And so that just made me think about, we're talking about islands in a climate that's milder than, you know, some other parts of those, that area of the world, but how vulnerable islands are to disaster, and then what happens afterward. This is where my brain is today, apparently, disaster and consequences of disaster.

• 30:59Holly Frey?

  I feel like my brain is living there lately. But hopefully, if this is your weekend coming up, I hope you have no disasters, nor any concerns about consequences of disasters, real or imagined. Listen, sometimes anxiety drives the bus, and you think about all this bad stuff that could happen, and I hope that doesn't happen for you this weekend. I hope instead you have joy, some relaxation, you take care of the people around you, and they take care of you in turn. If you have to work, I hope it goes smoothly and no one's a jerk. And if they are a jerk, you tell them I said stop. I'm sure they're really gonna care. When you're like, "Holly Frye said don't," they'll be like, "Aunt."

• 31:39Holly Frey?

  In any case, we will be right back here tomorrow to share a classic story with you, and then on Monday, we'll have something brand new.

• 31:52Tracy V. Wilson?

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