Martin Short

Martin Short has a stamp in Canada. Amy hangs with the ‘Only Murders in the Building’ star, talking about winning his first SAG Award, working on the famed production of 'Godspell,' and why girls are always cold. Host: Amy Poehler Guests: Martin Short, Tina Fey, Maya Rudolph, and Colin Jost Executive Producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-Berman For Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, supervising producer Joel Lovell For The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson and Belle Roman; audio producer Kaya McMullen, video editor Drew van Steenbergen, booker Kat Spillane Original Music: Amy Miles Use coupon code ‘EATCESAR10’ at Cesar.com for 10% off Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:04Amy Poehler?

  Hi, everyone. Welcome to Good Hang. I'm Amy Poehler, and we have a great guest today. It is Martin Short, the hilarious and kind and generous and just deeply talented person who I grew up loving and love even more now as a grown adult. We're going to talk to Marty, as his friends call him, about Canada and the SNL 50th and Only Murders in the Building and how it felt to have COVID and not be able to accept an award that he won. But what's really exciting is we're also going to talk to some other comedy legends who love Marty and who want to talk nicely behind his back and tell me questions that

• 0:49Amy Poehler?

  they think I should ask him. So joining me, before we get to our interview, are Tina Fey, Maya Rudolph, and Colin Jost.

• 1:10Amy Poehler?

  Maya and Colin, I'm being asked, would you mind flipping your phones to the side?

• 1:15Speaker 01

  What do you do?

• 1:16Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. And I know this seems weird, but can you hold your credit cards up to the screen, too?

• 1:22Speaker 02

  Oh, yes. You want the CVC?

• 1:25Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, we need the CVV.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  We need the DVD?

• 1:29Amy Poehler?

  Jost, I don't know if you know, but I already did a podcast with Tina, who nicely came in to be interviewed. I look forward to doing one with you. Maya, I look forward to doing one with you.

• 1:40Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:40Amy Poehler?

  And Jost, you were name dropped in the interview that Tina and I did. We were talking about...

• 1:46Speaker 02

  How much we love going to the Lampoon.

• 1:50Amy Poehler?

  So we're doing this thing where we're asking people to kind of talk behind people's back in a good way. So I've got the great Martin Short on today.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  Never heard of him.

• 2:01Amy Poehler?

  And you've all worked... Yeah.

• 2:03Speaker 02

  Never. But I bet he's good, if you like him.

• 2:06Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, I like him. I think you should check him out. I think he's funny. I found him on TikTok.

• 2:13Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:14Amy Poehler?

  So I guess my question is, what, yeah, you know, how much do you love Martin Short? What do you love about him? What do you think I should ask him?

• 2:23Speaker 02

  When I think about him, I think he's evergreen. He's...

• 2:28Speaker 02

  He's the, he's always funny and he's always up for being funny and he will always make you laugh and he's, there is a, there is a, just an unbridled joy in him, in the, in the pursuit of being funny. I mean, don't get me wrong, he works hard at it and, but he, but you can see that he loves it and you can also see that he loves to be among funny people. There are some funny people who love to be solo acts and he's not one of them. I think he's one of those people that thrives among the funnies and he's just

• 3:08Speaker 02

  like a, like a great guy. So inherently that comes through somehow through the comedy, which makes you love him more. When I found out that he had a stamp in Canada, I was like, oh, that, that, that checks out. That makes sense. You're perfect.

• 3:29Amy Poehler?

  Wow, I gotta look at the image of that. Is it just him or one of his characters?

• 3:35Speaker 02

  My memory is it might've been one of his characters.

• 3:40Speaker 03

  Character from Half Wits.

• 3:41Speaker 04

  It's a, it's a regular stamp, but he owns it.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  He bought it.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. Canada's a much cooler place because I think Catherine O'Hara has a stamp too. I'm just saying.

• 3:51Speaker 03

  I don't think any of us are getting stamps in the next four, four to four years.

• 3:56Amy Poehler?

  So I'm gonna ask him about a stamp. Tina, Jost, anything you feel like I should ask him or anything you want to say about Marty?

• 4:03Speaker 03

  I love Marty. I wanna, I wanna claim my love for Marty early. Like, I know, I love him. I've also had a crush on Marty from like decades before everyone else. I remember, I came to New York City when I was maybe in college and you used to be able to go see, um, uh, Broadway shows for free by being an usher. And so I, I was ushering at a, a production of Godspell in like the early nineties, late eighties with like Trini Alvarado as in whatever. And I remember I was ushering and I turned around and I saw, um, the two people that I handed their programs to were Paul Schaffer and Martin Short. And I was like, because of course Marty had been in the original Toronto production. Um, but

• 4:45Speaker 03

  also I was just like, I was starstruck and also I was like, also Marty's cute. Anyway. I'm on record. You're not alone, buddy. You're not alone. Uh, Mike, so I do, I would love to hear him talk about that Toronto production of Godspell, because I think that cast was incredible and it was like Gilda Radner and I want to say Andy Martin, like it was an insane cast. And Paul Shaffer. Yeah. And then the other kind of question I was thinking about was, um, uh, you know, everything that we, everything that we know Marty from, that we grew up with, it's all canon, right? Like everything from Father of the Bride and Three Amigos and, and Clifford, all these things and SCTV to us, it's all just like comedy bible.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  I wonder for him during that time, if he ever felt like frustrated with being like the funny person, like was, was he happy with his career in that time? Or did he, did he want more? And, and does he, does he feel differently now? But just because I feel like we also all look at our own things going like, oh, I should, I should be doing this or I should be doing that. But does, does he know that he has this tremendous body of work? Good question. Was he ever grouchy about it at the time? Ooh, good question. And Josty?

• 6:02Speaker 04

  I'm doing a counterpoint, right?

• 6:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, you're doing, you're doing what, what actually sucks about Marty.

• 6:07Speaker 04

  Not, yeah, not a nice person. Hasn't made me laugh. I didn't, I was just thinking, realizing this, he was actually weirdly my first SNL character I ever saw because I went on a studio tour when I was young and I saw Ed Grimley, like in stuff backstage or pro, like promotionally around. And I didn't even understand what it was at the time, but I always remembered it being funny. And, and that was like my first kind of character I saw there before I watched the show.

• 6:39Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 6:40Speaker 04

  And I loved, I mean, Three Amigos, I just loved those. And, and my grandpa so couldn't understand Three Amigos and my brother and I watched it all the time. And my grandpa was just like, what is this? I don't understand it. We love that. I guess my questions are, like, I was wondering, did he have any, did he have any, like, rivals in comedy at different times in his life?

• 7:01Amy Poehler?

  But do you think, but okay, this is, this is a good question. Do you think I should be asking these kinds of questions on this podcast? Because-

• 7:09Speaker 03

  I think Marty's a great person to try it out on, because he'll, he, he's so kind of graceful.

• 7:14Speaker 02

  I also think, I just watched that, um, that Weird Year documentary, and I also would be curious to hear a little bit of that one, one year in that cast on SNL.

• 7:25Speaker 04

  And was like, I don't know if you talk about this either, but like, for the FCTV cast, were they, were people like, hooking up in that cast too, the way there was like, early SNL, you know what I mean? But I don't know if that's fun to talk about.

• 7:37Amy Poehler?

  Yes, dude. So, Jost, your questions are, who was your biggest enemy? And who did you hook up with? Okay, those are great. Those are, I'll start with those.

• 7:48Amy Poehler?

  Maya, thanks for taking a break in the middle of your show.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  Amy, this was a really good hang.

• 7:54Amy Poehler?

  Thanks, Maya.

• 7:55Speaker 04

  Whoa.

• 7:56Amy Poehler?

  Great hang.

• 7:57Speaker 02

  Great hang.

• 7:58Amy Poehler?

  Good hang.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  That's my show. My show's Great Hang.

• 8:01Amy Poehler?

  Damn, that's gonna be better.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Nope, I just, I, I disagree.

• 8:05Speaker 04

  It does sound better.

• 8:06Amy Poehler?

  It does sound better.

• 8:10Amy Poehler?

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• 8:49Amy Poehler?

  I want you to know, you're one of the first three.

• 8:55Speaker 05

  Well, you know, that makes me feel good. Thank you.

• 8:58Amy Poehler?

  I don't feel like I got any time with you at the SNL 50th, really.

• 9:01Speaker 05

  No. Well, the only thing we got was COVID. You know, everyone got it.

• 9:05Amy Poehler?

  Okay, not only do I know that everyone got it, but so we were doing this thing on this podcast where we're asking, I'm asking, reaching out to people who know you or like friends of yours or ours to ask them what I should ask you. So I just did a Zoom with Tina, Maya, and Jost. And all three of them have or had SNL COVID.

• 9:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:27Amy Poehler?

  They all got it.

• 9:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. So did, so did Amy Schumer.

• 9:33Amy Poehler?

  Yep.

• 9:34Speaker 05

  Meryl.

• 9:35Amy Poehler?

  Dang.

• 9:36Speaker 05

  Um, Mike Myers.

• 9:38Amy Poehler?

  Now, I've done scenes with all of those people and I shared a dressing room with Meryl. I did a scene with Mike Myers and Maya.

• 9:46Speaker 05

  You got nothing, I know.

• 9:47Amy Poehler?

  But did you have a good time at the, like, how was the experience?

• 9:50Speaker 05

  Oh, it was great. The whole thing was great.

• 9:52Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 9:53Speaker 05

  I mean, on the Thursday, Steve and I went down to the Comedy Cellar with Simon Rich and John Mulaney, I mean, to try out material, which is an insane idea because as we were going down there, I said to Steve, when was the last time you went to a club like this? You went, uh, 1966. So when they saw him, they went insane.

• 10:13Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 10:13Speaker 05

  Well, they were suddenly not gonna laugh at his jokes. Of course, everything.

• 10:16Amy Poehler?

  Right. But do you guys do your, because I want to talk about your tour that you do because Tina and I are basically copying what you're doing. But do you go on the road and try out your stuff before the tour?

• 10:27Speaker 05

  Never. Never.

• 10:28Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, I feel like it's not a genuine, you just can't.

• 10:31Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no. That's what, you know, Ali Wong, the great stand-ups will do that. And, and then they burn their material.

• 10:39Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 10:40Speaker 05

  You know, I don't.

• 10:41Amy Poehler?

  And I, I kind of, I think it's hard to get like an honest laugh from like, to your point, the audience is too hot.

• 10:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's, they're really excited to see you. In Steve's case, they're saying, okay, they're both alive? That's so weird. So, so much for newspaper articles. And so already you have them.

• 11:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 11:00Speaker 05

  You know, there's a famous story, Jack Benny. I think in his last concert in England, he was like 80 or something. And he came out and got a 12-minute standing ovation. And then his first line was, "I'm not that good," you know?

• 11:15Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 11:15Speaker 05

  So there's an element of that.

• 11:16Amy Poehler?

  I wanted to talk to you about the congratulations on winning the SAG Award.

• 11:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, two of them. I know what you mean.

• 11:23Amy Poehler?

  You are nominated all the time, and you don't win.

• 11:26Speaker 05

  I never win.

• 11:27Amy Poehler?

  And then the time that you win, you're not there.

• 11:29Speaker 05

  Covid.

• 11:30Amy Poehler?

  Was that a bummer?

• 11:33Speaker 05

  I wasn't even watching. I was watching The Brutalist.

• 11:35Amy Poehler?

  Uh huh, sure. You watch it every night.

• 11:38Speaker 05

  Well, you know what it is?

• 11:39Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 11:40Speaker 05

  It's like Elon Musk. You need a positive sense of, like, a big, warm blanket around you before bedtime.

• 11:47Amy Poehler?

  So you always put on The Brutalist.

• 11:48Speaker 05

  I do that, and then prescriptions. Um, yeah, but it's, yeah, I start with The Brutalist.

• 11:54Amy Poehler?

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:55Speaker 05

  Uh, no, so then, so then someone said, "Turn it on," and I was stunned. I mean, it was like, that's what Selena Gomez said, "We always lose."

• 12:03Amy Poehler?

  Well, I, I, I related, not to front-door brag, but I have been nominated often and never win. Never.

• 12:11Speaker 05

  How many Emmys do you have?

• 12:12Amy Poehler?

  Only one. But I think I've been nominated, let me pretend to not know the number. Um, no, but it is something in the twenties.

• 12:22Speaker 05

  Steve says in our show, I say, "How many Emmys do you have?" He says, "I wanna say five." I wanna say five, but I have one.

• 12:34Amy Poehler?

  But I was thinking about you because I know for me, every single time, no matter how much I've, um, tricked my brain into knowing, who cares? It doesn't matter. Like, there's this weird physiological moment that happens when you're, just the split second where you're thinking, "Maybe I'll have to go up there. Maybe I'll have to give a speech." Does that happen to you?

• 12:56Speaker 05

  Um, you know, it has happened to me, certainly. But I will tell you, in this experience of Only Murders in the Building, this, we're starting our fifth season, absolutely never had a consideration. In fact...

• 13:10Amy Poehler?

  That you were gonna win?

• 13:11Speaker 05

  No, not remotely. In fact, um...

• 13:16Speaker 05

  I think that some, you know, the publicist sends you things and they were

• 13:19Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 13:19Speaker 05

  SAG predictions.

• 13:20Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 05

  And there were like three other people.

• 13:22Amy Poehler?

  The gold derby races or whatever.

• 13:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, and there was always like, "Well, if it isn't Jeremy Allen White, I'll tell you, it will be Jason Segel." I mean, it was like...

• 13:30Amy Poehler?

  You were never even close.

• 13:31Speaker 05

  Not even close.

• 13:31Amy Poehler?

  So how did you win the SAG? What did you, who did you sleep with?

• 13:34Speaker 05

  I guess I'm a beloved. I guess I'm, you know...

• 13:37Amy Poehler?

  I guess the actors.

• 13:39Speaker 05

  You become this stupid icon.

• 13:40Amy Poehler?

  Give it to the actors and they'll vote for anybody.

• 13:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, leave it to actors. They'll vote for anybody.

• 13:45Amy Poehler?

  No, but I mean, I was bummed to see you not be up there, but I was wondering if you cared.

• 13:50Speaker 05

  I certainly, it would have been thrilling to be there. But I do find that stuff of, "You have to get up and did you forget a name?"

• 13:57Amy Poehler?

  I agree.

• 13:57Speaker 05

  And then if you pull out a piece of paper, you're a wimp and you don't have any soul. You know, I saw Timothee Chalamet just speak.

• 14:04Amy Poehler?

  Totally.

• 14:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:05Amy Poehler?

  He killed it. He was so good.

• 14:06Speaker 05

  And what I'm gonna do next time, if I ever went again.

• 14:08Amy Poehler?

  Okay.

• 14:10Speaker 05

  I'm gonna get up there and lower the mic so that I can lean down to it. Like he did.

• 14:15Amy Poehler?

  That's a power move.

• 14:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a power move.

• 14:17Amy Poehler?

  To talk like this.

• 14:18Speaker 05

  When you're, when you're this length, when you're this lanky.

• 14:22Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  You know?

• 14:23Amy Poehler?

  And I agree, you either have to kind of free ball it and just be, you know, off the top of your head and just talk about how you're feeling or you have to have really good jokes. The in-between is stressful.

• 14:36Speaker 05

  Right.

• 14:37Amy Poehler?

  The in-between is stressful.

• 14:38Speaker 05

  And then also leaving out that name.

• 14:41Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 14:42Speaker 05

  Like, "Oh, I forgot to think Selena."

• 14:45Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, right. That would be, would that, would that be the kind of thing that would keep you up?

• 14:49Speaker 05

  I would feel badly and she would say, "It's cool." There's no one cooler than Selena.

• 14:54Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 14:54Speaker 05

  You know?

• 14:55Amy Poehler?

  She is so cool.

• 14:56Speaker 05

  She is so cool.

• 14:57Amy Poehler?

  How did you guys, I mean, I'm sure you've told this story many times in other places, but never to me. When...

• 15:02Speaker 05

  Well, because you just started a podcast.

• 15:04Amy Poehler?

  That's right.

• 15:04Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:05Amy Poehler?

  That's right.

• 15:05Speaker 05

  Exactly. And usually when I see you at parties, you're a little bit removed.

• 15:10Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 15:11Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's like, um...

• 15:12Amy Poehler?

  I just can't find it.

• 15:13Speaker 05

  Looking over the shoulder, "Oh's."

• 15:14Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, I just wanna see if there's another more famous person there.

• 15:16Speaker 05

  Is Mike Myers here?

• 15:17Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, yeah. I don't like to, I like to not settle in until I find the alpha in the room and then...

• 15:22Speaker 05

  Oh, I know. Oh, I know. And I've talked to people who know and I won't elaborate on that.

• 15:29Amy Poehler?

  But the only murders, how did Selena get, like, how did you guys get her? Did she, was she attached with you at the same time?

• 15:39Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no. It started off, Steve was at a party at Sandy Gallin.

• 15:46Speaker 05

  I don't know, 13 years ago. And sitting on the couch was Ron Rifkin, Joel Gray, and someone else. And Sandy said, "Those three, you should do a show for them." That's all he said. And Steve's driving home and he's obsessed with true crime. And watches it all the time and thought, "Well, gee, that's an interesting idea. Three older people who solve crimes in a building, but they'll only solve a murder in the building because they don't want to travel." And Steve had the title, he had everything. And then he put it on the back shelf for a few years. And then had a meeting with Dan Fogelman. Dan said, "Any ideas you have?" And he said,

• 16:31Speaker 05

  "Well, I have this one idea." And it was suddenly into production. How it got to be Selena, I don't, I don't actually know. I know that Steve phoned me and said, "Would you like to do it?" And I thought it sounded great. And, you know, it was work.

• 16:45Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 16:45Speaker 05

  You know, if he had said, "Do you want to do the Chrysler Industrial, mainly for, we're bringing it the duster, we're bringing that car back," I'd say, "Sure." And you say, you say that there's a check. Is that what you're referring, Steve? No, anyway, so I was excited to say yes. And then brilliantly, they went to Selena. You know, if they'd gone with someone, another older person, it would be Murder She Wrote.

• 17:10Amy Poehler?

  Yes, it's so smart.

• 17:11Speaker 05

  It's so smart, yeah.

• 17:13Amy Poehler?

  It's so smart. And I'm just curious, and maybe, maybe I can have her on here and ask, like, what is the...

• 17:18Speaker 05

  Bob Balaban, that was the third guy.

• 17:20Amy Poehler?

  Oh, yeah, Bob Balaban. I love Bob Balaban.

• 17:23Speaker 05

  They were three on a couch.

• 17:24Amy Poehler?

  He's such a good actor. Well, I'd be so curious about like, what made Selena sign on for another TV show? It must have been you and Steve. She must have known she was signing on to something premier and funny. She has that kind of taste.

• 17:37Speaker 05

  You know, I'm sure. I mean, I've told this before, but certainly the first day of shooting, it was, we were in the height of COVID.

• 17:46Amy Poehler?

  First day of shooting?

• 17:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, so we had to wear shields and masks and...

• 17:50Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 17:50Speaker 05

  And, so I had never met her. We had zoomed in read-throughs and stuff. And I'm driving to work thinking, well, she could be a nightmare.

• 18:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 18:01Speaker 05

  She, I mean, she's a pop princess. She's, since she was 14, what if she's... I thought, oh, if she's late, forget it, Steve will quit, because that's his Achilles' heel. Well, what if she doesn't know her lines, or what if she's, what if she's mean to people? And all those things go through, and literally, I met her in the makeup room, and I, she smiled, and I thought, okay, she's just adorable. And she has never been a second late. She is such a pro, it's a joke. And then all these endless guest stars we've had year after year have all been, again, impeccable.

• 18:35Amy Poehler?

  So fun.

• 18:35Speaker 05

  Maybe they're afraid of Steve, I think.

• 18:39Amy Poehler?

  Interesting. Well, maybe we have that in common, because I feel like people are afraid of Tina.

• 18:46Amy Poehler?

  And not afraid of me, and I want them to be more afraid of me.

• 18:49Speaker 05

  No, no, they're never gonna be more afraid of you.

• 18:51Amy Poehler?

  But do you want people to be more afraid of you, or do you like that they're afraid of Steve?

• 18:54Speaker 05

  No, I like, Steve is like the Pope. You know, I mean, some of these famous comic types, they like me, it's fine. But when Dave Letterman or Howard Stern is around Steve, or Jerry Seinfeld, it's like, "Oh, hi, Steve."

• 19:12Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I don't know why, because...

• 19:15Amy Poehler?

  I know why.

• 19:16Speaker 05

  Oh, you do?

• 19:17Amy Poehler?

  I think it's because Steve just doesn't talk as, I think the power move is to not talk as much. That's what I, like, the quieter you are...

• 19:27Speaker 05

  So that's my big problem, is what you're referring to.

• 19:29Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, that's your problem, and this is my problem.

• 19:30Speaker 05

  Yak, yak, yak, yak, yak.

• 19:32Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, we're two yak heads, and we're like, hey, this is us, this is me, this is me, this is me. And you just have to stay quiet, and everybody projects everything on you.

• 19:40Speaker 05

  So you're saying...

• 19:43Speaker 05

  That's like a line in the movie Jiminy Glick and Lala Wood, hold for applause.

• 19:48Amy Poehler?

  Best character ever.

• 19:49Speaker 05

  Where we improvised it, great deal, and Jan Hooks. Elizabeth Perkins was complaining that her husband needed sex three times a day. And she said, "Oh, honey, I'll tell you, you gotta get a blow up thing because, listen, I've had four kids. Fucking me is like fucking a purse." And you saw Elizabeth Perkins shake her hand because she was supposed to be drinking, bringing it up to her mouth so she doesn't spoil the take. And I said, "Dixie, remember when we discussed the word mystique?"

• 20:24Amy Poehler?

  Jiminy Glick, Marty.

• 20:27Speaker 05

  Well, let's just, let's focus a second on Jan Hooks.

• 20:30Amy Poehler?

  Let's focus, okay, you're right.

• 20:31Speaker 05

  Was there anyone funnier than Jan Hooks?

• 20:36Amy Poehler?

  There were a few women at that SNL 50th that I was really missing, that I really wish I could meet because I have never met. One of them was Gilda and the other was Jan. Never met either one, never met Jan. And she was, she was the, like, the, you know, Kristen Wiig or Kate McKinnon of the cast when I was growing up. Jan was so talented, so, such a good actress, so funny.

• 21:04Speaker 05

  And moving. We did a special together in 95 where she played everyone, everyone from David Letterman's mother. She played Brett Butler that was so...

• 21:14Amy Poehler?

  So good.

• 21:14Speaker 05

  So vicious.

• 21:16Amy Poehler?

  She's so good.

• 21:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:18Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, I missed her and I loved Lorraine and Jane holding up Gilda's picture.

• 21:23Speaker 05

  Oh, I loved that, loved that.

• 21:24Amy Poehler?

  I loved that.

• 21:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:26Amy Poehler?

  I had a great moment with Lorraine and Jane where I, I, I didn't know Lorraine that well. I've just kind of like seen her at events over the years and we, I felt very bonded with her by the end of the weekend. I don't know if she felt the same way about me, but she was just...

• 21:40Speaker 05

  I know she didn't.

• 21:41Amy Poehler?

  She didn't.

• 21:41Speaker 05

  I asked her.

• 21:43Amy Poehler?

  Damn it.

• 21:43Speaker 05

  I said, "Who did you bond with? Who didn't you bond with?"

• 21:48Amy Poehler?

  And she...

• 21:49Speaker 05

  Well, she opens up with the word surprise, surprise. So it shocked me.

• 21:56Speaker 05

  She didn't like you.

• 21:57Amy Poehler?

  She didn't.

• 21:58Speaker 05

  You know why?

• 21:58Amy Poehler?

  I could feel it.

• 22:00Speaker 05

  I'll tell you what she said.

• 22:01Amy Poehler?

  She kept nodding her head no.

• 22:02Speaker 05

  She said, "I'm not a fan of the chatty chap."

• 22:04Amy Poehler?

  She was like, "I wish she was quieter."

• 22:06Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. She said like Steve Martin?

• 22:08Amy Poehler?

  He's like, "He will."

• 22:09Speaker 05

  Or Tina. Oh, I'll tell you what.

• 22:09Amy Poehler?

  They make you work hard.

• 22:10Speaker 05

  You know who I wanted me to see, Tina Fey.

• 22:12Amy Poehler?

  Totally.

• 22:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:14Amy Poehler?

  Um, damn it, I felt that. I felt that because, but she, her and Jane, she shared two things of me that I loved. One was just a small detail, but I loved it. She's like, "Jane and I are getting ready together."

• 22:26Amy Poehler?

  Which I just love. That's a very, that's a very girl thing. Like, who are you getting, doing hair and makeup with for the party? And Jane and Lorraine were getting ready together, which just warmed my heart. Like, I love that. And also, they just both seemed great. And, uh, I was like, I said, "You two look great. You seem great." And we kind of had a moment where we said, you know, women know how to age. Like, they can, they do better with aging than men.

• 22:52Speaker 05

  Well, some do.

• 22:54Amy Poehler?

  Most.

• 22:57Amy Poehler?

  You disagree?

• 22:58Speaker 05

  Well, okay, let's, let's put it this way.

• 23:02Amy Poehler?

  Let's go. Let's go.

• 23:04Speaker 05

  Yeah. If you're talking about someone who's had, I said suture, who's had 15 facelifts.

• 23:09Amy Poehler?

  But yes, but.

• 23:10Speaker 05

  And then has that look.

• 23:12Amy Poehler?

  But that's, I think, I think we get a little confused that, well, maybe I'm wrong, but we live in Los Angeles and we see that a lot. But the rest of, like, your average people in the country.

• 23:23Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure.

• 23:24Amy Poehler?

  Women, like, look at women, look at men and women when they turn 50. It's, it can be diff, it's, I don't know. Every school reunion, high school reunion I went to, the women look pretty great and the men.

• 23:36Speaker 05

  They look bad?

• 23:37Amy Poehler?

  Terrible.

• 23:38Speaker 05

  Why?

• 23:39Amy Poehler?

  Marty!

• 23:39Speaker 05

  Okay, here's, okay, here's what's not good. Going bald is tough.

• 23:45Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, that's, that, that I don't even mind.

• 23:47Speaker 05

  But.

• 23:48Amy Poehler?

  Who's the most handsome bald person?

• 23:50Speaker 05

  Uh, Paul Shaffer.

• 23:52Amy Poehler?

  Paul Shaffer, most handsome bald person.

• 23:55Speaker 05

  Fabulous.

• 23:56Amy Poehler?

  Yes, so, he, um.

• 23:58Speaker 05

  I say of Paul that I've known him since 72, and even in 72, he looked like a Mater D in a spaceship.

• 24:11Amy Poehler?

  Anna and Will killed as Bobby and Marty at that music.

• 24:15Speaker 05

  Oh, my God. Was there anything funny? And I said to Will after, I said, OK, did that take you two months or three months? He said, we learned it today.

• 24:23Amy Poehler?

  Today. And Anna was doing a great impression of Paul playing them the part because it was like he was playing, yeah, forty-five, forty-five songs at once. And it was a complete chaos and they crushed it. And to me, Tina and I were talking about this after. To me, there was something very proud of. I felt very proud of all of us. I don't know why, but it felt like a win for all of us that these two great sketch comedians came out. I mean, I feel this way when I watch you work and when you and Steve are together, like, can come out and just settle a crowd and just, it just owned the room. There's a joy when people are not nervous.

• 25:05Speaker 05

  Oh, my God.

• 25:06Amy Poehler?

  That I love so much.

• 25:07Speaker 05

  Absolutely. And also, neither character, or forget actor, but neither character they were playing was trying to be funny.

• 25:17Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 25:17Speaker 05

  They weren't trying to, they weren't saying laugh at it. They were just being sincere in who they were. And it was, oh, my God, was that a triumph? I thought Bill Murray killed.

• 25:28Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, everybody was incredible.

• 25:30Speaker 05

  How about Maya and Fred as friends?

• 25:33Amy Poehler?

  Incredible. Like Fred can do these physical things, the slightest.

• 25:38Speaker 05

  There is no one funnier than Fred.

• 25:39Amy Poehler?

  I agree.

• 25:40Speaker 05

  This is what Fred said to me at the end of this.

• 25:42Amy Poehler?

  Fred Armisen for everybody listening.

• 25:43Speaker 05

  This is what, first of all, this is visual, but every, his dressing room was beside me. So I would pass his room and he'd be on his phone. I'd say, hey, Fred, and he'd go.

• 25:56Speaker 05

  See, Fred, you're not really asleep. Oh, hi, how long have you been here? Fred, I just saw you. And the other thing he did, which she completely convinced me was true, was when I left the stage after the goodnights, he said, why did you call Paul McCartney Tony McCartney?

• 26:18Speaker 05

  I said, "I wa- what?" Yeah, I mean, you said, "Oh, Tony McCartney."

• 26:27Speaker 05

  And because I didn't know Paul was standing beside me, I thought, "Did I?" And...

• 26:33Amy Poehler?

  Such a funny joke.

• 26:34Speaker 05

  Then I told Bill Hader this, and Bill told Fred, and then Fred sent me a text like days ago.

• 26:38Amy Poehler?

  He said...

• 26:38Speaker 05

  "Sorry, I thought you knew that was a joke." I literally thought I said Tony McCartney.

• 26:43Amy Poehler?

  That would've been great.

• 26:43Speaker 05

  The stupidest thing in the world.

• 26:44Amy Poehler?

  Tony McCartney.

• 26:45Speaker 05

  Tony McCartney? I wish I said it, of course, you know? Not knowing Paul's name.

• 26:50Amy Poehler?

  Fred used to send me long texts about his flight schedule, like when he was arriving, what airport, what time to get picked up, as if I was picking him up from the airport.

• 26:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know.

• 26:59Amy Poehler?

  He is so deeply funny. He also does a bit that I love, where if you haven't seen him for a long time at a party, and you go, "Hey, Fred," he goes, "Hi, how are you?" Like, he pretends you're just a fan bothering him.

• 27:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 27:09Amy Poehler?

  He's so funny. He loves a bit.

• 27:11Speaker 05

  He does a million of them, too, and everyone's funny.

• 27:15Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. But people feel that way about you. People feel, like, the way, even, we were talking earlier with Maya and Tina and Jost, like, people feel that way about you, Marty. Of all the funny people, people think you're the funniest.

• 27:29Speaker 05

  I don't think so, because...

• 27:30Amy Poehler?

  Okay.

• 27:31Speaker 05

  Well, okay, thank you. But I find that, I find what I do with, like, Fred is, if it's at a party, I'll say, "Did you hear what Fred said?"

• 27:40Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 27:40Speaker 05

  There's a lot of, "Did you hear what Fred said?"

• 27:42Amy Poehler?

  I, I agree that I think Fred is, like, genuinely one of the funniest people I know. But I think you are, too.

• 27:52Speaker 06

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• 27:56Speaker 07

  Nah, I got this. Okay, I don't got this.

• 28:01Speaker 06

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• 28:04Speaker 08

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• 28:21Amy Poehler?

  The thing that I love about watching you is, and I don't know, maybe you're faking it, but I feel like the lesson I learned at SNL and beyond is if you are enjoying yourself, people will enjoy themselves.

• 28:33Speaker 05

  Oh, absolutely.

• 28:35Amy Poehler?

  But people don't really apply that often into the work that they do and even into the comedy that they do.

• 28:39Speaker 05

  Well, some people can't hide it. You know, I used to think that even if I was at work and I was feeling low about something, I would do an impersonation of myself happy.

• 28:49Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 28:50Speaker 05

  And then that would get me happier. Like, when I started doing talk shows, I kept thinking. First time I did an important American talk show would be December of 82, Letterman. 12:30 show. And I thought, what is the gimmick here? Oh, I got to do an impersonation of myself at a dinner party, really loose and having fun. But I got to get it down to eight minutes.

• 29:14Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, that's deep. I remember Lorne telling me when I was doing Update, you have to do a version of yourself for Update. That's, yeah, a removed version of yourself.

• 29:32Amy Poehler?

  Are you doing lip balm?

• 29:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right. Nothing worse than dry lips, is it?

• 29:39Amy Poehler?

  I get them constantly. It's actually a problem of mine.

• 29:42Speaker 05

  I love that you needed me to do it to feel free that you could do it.

• 29:45Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, I mean, I can't do it. That's too rude. But if my guest pulls out lip balm.

• 29:51Speaker 05

  Now, what if you looked over and I had bright red lips? Red lipstick.

• 29:54Amy Poehler?

  I love a lip balm. It's one of the things about LA that really crushes me is how dry it is here.

• 30:00Speaker 05

  Very dry.

• 30:01Amy Poehler?

  Is this your home base, LA? Like, this is home?

• 30:04Speaker 05

  No, I was born and raised in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. And then when I was 22, I moved to Toronto. Which is 40 miles east of Hamilton.

• 30:14Amy Poehler?

  I've been to some of those lakes you talk about outside of Toronto and it does not get warm ever.

• 30:20Speaker 05

  Oh, it does.

• 30:22Amy Poehler?

  I was there mid-August.

• 30:24Speaker 05

  This is, and I don't, this is-

• 30:26Amy Poehler?

  And it was about 55 degrees.

• 30:27Speaker 05

  I know, but this is gonna be-

• 30:29Amy Poehler?

  Sorry.

• 30:29Speaker 05

  Okay, well, I'm gonna say it and then I'm gonna, well, be criticized and, but it's a real girl thing to say.

• 30:35Amy Poehler?

  To be cold?

• 30:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 30:36Amy Poehler?

  How dare you, you motherfucker. I do a cold plunge, motherfucker, every day.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  Okay, but let me say something, and oh, again, I gotta get in trouble again. But-

• 30:48Amy Poehler?

  A girl saying to be cold, no, no one's gonna be mad about that.

• 30:52Speaker 05

  A girl calls a cold plunge is not what a guy calls a cold-

• 30:56Amy Poehler?

  Oh, my God, you're-

• 30:57Speaker 05

  I'm doubling.

• 31:00Speaker 05

  Like, I don't consider-

• 31:01Amy Poehler?

  I mean, you're right.

• 31:02Speaker 05

  I don't consider 71 a cold plunge.

• 31:03Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, I mean, when I say cold plunge, I mean, yeah, like, I'm like, take my-

• 31:06Speaker 05

  No, not like, real cold.

• 31:08Amy Poehler?

  Like, I sleep without my socks on.

• 31:10Speaker 05

  That's a cold plunge.

• 31:12Amy Poehler?

  No, I have a high tolerance for cold. I proudly got into cold plunging, like, five years ago, and I do it all the time now. Like, every good podcaster.

• 31:22Speaker 05

  I'm, you know, decades older than you. I would think that I'd say, "I'm gonna do a cold plunge," and, "Ugh," and be dead. Be dead, just floating right in that cold plunge.

• 31:34Amy Poehler?

  No, I slowly built up, it was during COVID, and I was, genuinely, I was so anxious.

• 31:39Speaker 05

  So, when did, what, what temperature did you start, truthfully?

• 31:41Amy Poehler?

  Truthfully, I, I was so anxious and depressed during COVID that I was trying all these different things, and so I would do the sauna, and the cold plunge was about 48, 49 degrees.

• 31:53Speaker 05

  And how cold will you get it now?

• 31:55Amy Poehler?

  Same. I don't do it any colder. I, maybe the coldest is, like, 47.

• 32:00Speaker 05

  Right, that's cold.

• 32:01Amy Poehler?

  It's cold, and I started by just, like, going in and out, in and out, for years, and then building up, and now I can do a couple of minutes. And it is, come, I cannot recommend it enough.

• 32:12Speaker 05

  How about just a cup of coffee? Just a lovely cup of coffee in the morning. You know?

• 32:17Amy Poehler?

  I want to talk about your tour because Tina and I are on tour.

• 32:21Speaker 05

  I know.

• 32:21Amy Poehler?

  And we asked you for advice. I don't know if you remember, or maybe...

• 32:25Speaker 05

  You probably sent some glib...

• 32:26Amy Poehler?

  You did. You said, well, you said you gave good advice. You gave a lot of good advice. But because we've been doing a show and tour, it's been the best.

• 32:35Speaker 05

  Oh, it's the most fun.

• 32:36Amy Poehler?

  It is a dream come true.

• 32:37Speaker 05

  Well, this is what it is. This is what it is. Because you and Tina love each other.

• 32:41Amy Poehler?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:43Speaker 05

  Then there's a rehearsal, there's laughs, there's a dinner.

• 32:46Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  There's perhaps a glass of wine afterwards.

• 32:49Amy Poehler?

  Mm-hmm.

• 32:50Speaker 05

  So it is kind of like as much fun as it can be because you're happy to see everybody.

• 32:55Amy Poehler?

  And I know this sounds silly, but because I was never a touring stand-up or a musician, I don't think I ever sold tickets where people knew they were going to get me. You know, I was either part of an ensemble.

• 33:09Speaker 05

  Right, right.

• 33:10Amy Poehler?

  Part of a sketch group, part of an improv show, or I was hosting something that it wasn't. So the, the fact that people show up already knowing that you are who they want to see is, it just gets so much out of the way.

• 33:23Speaker 05

  Well, that's why, you know, you've done corporate dates and things like that. Now, they can be tricky because they're not showing up for you. They're showing up because, you know, they work for Tide. And so you, you, you kind of have to be prepared for a, "Hi, everybody."

• 33:42Speaker 05

  Nothing, and not take it personally.

• 33:44Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean...

• 33:45Speaker 05

  But when you, when, when people have paid to see you, it's this great compliment and they're happy to be there and...

• 33:51Amy Poehler?

  I know. It's, it's the silliest, most obvious thing, but I realized our first show, oh, people knew it was going to be just us.

• 33:57Speaker 05

  Yes, that's right.

• 33:57Amy Poehler?

  And they paid to see us. And there's like a, a, a honest exchange between your performance and their ticket. Like, I do the show for you, you come and pay for it. Like, it feels very honest, whereas I feel...

• 34:13Speaker 05

  Well, see, that's the other thing. I think that if, if, and Steve is similar to me, and I know that Tina and you are the same, if you felt... Or if I felt that Steve was kind of walking through it that night, then I'd say, you know what, this has been great. We did it, but we can't do anymore. Because that would, and vice versa, he would like be stunned. So I think that there are certain things in partnerships that goes without saying, and that commitment to understanding that people not only paid a lot of money, they got a babysitter. There was a dinner, maybe. You know, it's...

• 34:49Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, we have like tons of women who come with their friends, or mothers who are bringing their daughters. Like, this is their night out for the month.

• 34:57Speaker 05

  Maybe they got a hotel room.

• 34:58Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. And we're the same. When we were done with the show, we look at each other and we're like, we gave them a good show. Like, that's what we feel good about. Yeah, I know. I, it's...

• 35:09Speaker 05

  But I must admit, especially doing different Broadway shows through the years, I've rarely met anyone that just will walk through it. I'm always amazed when I go to a Broadway musical and it's, let's say, Wednesday matinee and it's maybe not the greatest musical. You still can't believe the talent on stage.

• 35:29Amy Poehler?

  I know.

• 35:30Speaker 05

  The level of the work, like they're working like it was opening night.

• 35:33Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 35:34Speaker 05

  And I don't think their computer knows how to do it differently.

• 35:36Amy Poehler?

  What was it like, like, we, like a lot of people in comedy, I obsess about those early Toronto days and you all together and...

• 35:45Speaker 05

  That was crazy.

• 35:46Amy Poehler?

  Crazy. I mean, one of the questions Jost wanted me to ask you was,

• 35:53Amy Poehler?

  who was sleeping together that we didn't know about? You don't have to answer, but he wanted me to ask you.

• 35:59Speaker 05

  But I... Oh, I used to be able to, there was a big picture of the Godspell cast, and I could go, day by day, day by day. Oh, dear Lord, three things I pray. No, it was the 70s.

• 36:17Amy Poehler?

  Yes, it's so good. I mean, that period of time with all the people that you were there with, because you were there with who? Paul?

• 36:24Speaker 05

  I was there with Paul, Gilda.

• 36:27Amy Poehler?

  Yep.

• 36:27Speaker 05

  Um, Andrea Martin.

• 36:29Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 36:29Speaker 05

  Um, Victor Garber, Eugene Levy. We were on the same cast.

• 36:34Amy Poehler?

  Wild.

• 36:35Speaker 05

  And I remember Stephen Schwartz, it was down, it really like 500 people, it was like American Idol the whole day, it was the callback day. And Friends were at the back cheering on Friends and, you know, Gilda got up there in bib overalls and with pigtails on either side going and saying, "Zippity-doo." And I thought, oh, that's the saddest thing I've ever... And they said, "You're hired." And I thought, oh, maybe I have to rethink, because I'm doing my funny Valentine, so I don't know. But it was just, she was exactly what they were looking for.

• 37:09Amy Poehler?

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:10Speaker 05

  And, um, and then we all just got there. But I remember Stephen Schwartz, it was down to about 12 people, and it was between me and another guy.

• 37:19Amy Poehler?

  Do you remember the guy?

• 37:20Speaker 05

  I know. I want to call him and say his name is Andrew. I never saw him again. But I just remember Stephen Schwartz, who was like 24 at the time himself, went like this, "Andrew, you're so, so good, but I think we're gonna go with Martin." And I'm still in university. It was like...

• 37:36Amy Poehler?

  Wow.

• 37:37Speaker 05

  So Eugene and I, who are friends, went back and there was a payphone. We kept borrowing each other's dimes and phoning people and telling them what happened. And it was a dream. Now you weren't in university anymore. Now you didn't have to study any more exams. You could stay up as late as you want. You could drink beer at the end of the show.

• 37:55Amy Poehler?

  Oh, and he told you in real time?

• 37:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, right there. At the end of the day, we knew.

• 38:00Amy Poehler?

  Wow, wow, wow, wow.

• 38:02Speaker 05

  It was unbelievable.

• 38:03Amy Poehler?

  I mean, can I, can I ask you a little bit about Gilda? Because we talked about Jam, but...

• 38:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:07Amy Poehler?

  I, like, the things I hear about Gilda, and it just might be my projection, but I just feel like I would really love her.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  Oh, you would have been madly in love with her.

• 38:17Amy Poehler?

  What I can't always balance is like how, like, you, you said something about her one time about like she just was so comfortable with her own, just the story you told, her own weirdness and strangeness, like her own, like she really knew...

• 38:31Speaker 05

  She was just, you know what, she was just, every, you know, I've said this before, every girl wanted to be her best friend.

• 38:38Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 38:38Speaker 05

  And every guy wanted to go out with her. I remember she came up to the first rehearsal and said, "Hi Marty, I'm so happy to be here." And she had her finger on her forehead. And I said, "Okay, good." I knew she was doing it, and then she pulled, and she had a big pimple here. She was just so original, the size of her purse, the fullness of her hair.

• 39:00Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 39:03Speaker 05

  And, you know, I fell for her madly.

• 39:06Amy Poehler?

  Yeah. Tell me more about that.

• 39:09Speaker 05

  Well, we didn't.

• 39:12Amy Poehler?

  Because it's just like, it's just so sweet.

• 39:15Speaker 05

  I don't know, well, she was, you know, she was...

• 39:18Amy Poehler?

  How old were you when you guys fell for each other?

• 39:20Speaker 05

  I was younger. I was 22 to her 26.

• 39:23Amy Poehler?

  Wow.

• 39:25Speaker 05

  And we went, we would break up and get back, but it was a couple of years.

• 39:29Amy Poehler?

  What kind of attachment styles did you have?

• 39:33Speaker 05

  What does that mean?

• 39:36Amy Poehler?

  Do you have an hour? But were you anxiously attached? Were you an avoidant?

• 39:42Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. In fact, I, I'll tell you exactly what is very interesting. Gilda had, you know, emotional ups and downs. And I had just gone through a period where my parents had died.

• 39:54Amy Poehler?

  Right.

• 39:55Speaker 05

  And my mother had died, and all she wanted to do was live. And she was the happiest person in the world. So to me, one of the issues that Gilda and I had where we'd have fights about was, I think, what do you have to be not happy about? You're talented, you have family money, everyone loves you, everyone wants to be your friend, everyone wants to date you. No one is funnier. You get the biggest laughs of anyone on stage. You know? But I was only 22. You know, I didn't understand. You know, I mean, look, we're learning a lot of things about gals today. One is, they can't handle cold.

• 40:36Amy Poehler?

  We have not learned that.

• 40:37Speaker 05

  And the other is, duh, mood swings.

• 40:43Speaker 05

  So I mean, I'll like make a list of the things I've learned about you.

• 40:46Amy Poehler?

  But you say something really beautiful, which is you did have, you had a lot of loss early in your life. And you learned that lesson that some people learn and take away, which is, you know, we are here once, you've got to figure, you know, like, we have to enjoy life.

• 41:00Speaker 05

  I've never understood why, for some reason, because my brother died when I was 12, my mother when I was 17, my father at 20,

• 41:10Speaker 05

  why I didn't become a victim of that, why I became oddly empowered by it, to the point that I could be on stage and put my hair up in a point and say, I think it's funny.

• 41:22Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, totally.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  I mean, and not be, did they like me? I don't know. Do they, and I was never that, and I think, because I grew up in a very funny family. I was youngest of five, Irish Catholic, and if they liked you, then that's all you cared about.

• 41:40Amy Poehler?

  And you just might have been built that way. There's just like your nervous system was...

• 41:43Speaker 05

  Right, and some people understandably become, you know, victims of these tough situations.

• 41:52Amy Poehler?

  But don't you feel like that's the, I mean, for me anyway, that is the thing about getting older is realizing, oh, the simple lesson over and over again that we all process differently. Like, I cannot get someone to be happy if they're not, or I can't get myself...

• 42:08Speaker 05

  And as a parent, you know, because we always want to solve.

• 42:13Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, there's some kind of version of that, what you talk about, that joy of being alive that does come out in the stuff that you do. And also, what I love about you is you also play very, how do I say this? Like, sharp and...

• 42:35Amy Poehler?

  Biting characters, like you're also really funny at playing people who are not rooting for you. And but we love like, okay, Jiminy, so Jiminy.

• 42:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, but I mean, we love morons with power. We love, you know.

• 42:50Amy Poehler?

  Yes, that's a better way to say it.

• 42:51Speaker 05

  People who, I mean, to me, the idea that Jiminy Gleick was a guy who had a staff working for him and someone was afraid of screwing up the lunch order. I said tuna. When I say Dijon mustard, it does not mean French's and they're quivering. You know, it's kind of like, can you imagine the staff when they leave after delivering Trump his 48th thing of Kentucky Fried Chicken? What they're privately saying? I don't call this hot. Yes, sir.

• 43:22Amy Poehler?

  And Jiminy, to me, is a very familiar person in the world, in the past 20, 30 years of like, press that I've had to do.

• 43:31Speaker 05

  Oh, completely.

• 43:32Amy Poehler?

  That kind of person who, to your point, king of his kingdom.

• 43:35Speaker 05

  King of his kingdom.

• 43:36Amy Poehler?

  And you come to them, and this is how we do things, and they're inquisitive, but like, mean, and they, they like, hate women.

• 43:45Speaker 05

  Dave Foley from Kids in the Hall said, Marty, oh, you finally created a character who's as mean as you really are in life.

• 43:51Amy Poehler?

  Well, but that's like, I think that's what I'm getting to is I, do you think you are meaner than people think you are?

• 43:58Speaker 05

  Probably. But I think that, you know, my father was sarcastic and Irish and mean. I mean, I remember taping, recording two and a half hours of present opening on Christmas morning, and you hear my father, oh, Michael, what a lovely guy. I wonder what Michael would give you if he had money. You know, it was like.

• 44:16Amy Poehler?

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:17Speaker 05

  It was just all that stuff.

• 44:18Amy Poehler?

  But teasing is a love language.

• 44:20Speaker 05

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 44:20Amy Poehler?

  That's what I do for people that I love.

• 44:23Speaker 05

  The thing that was weird for me doing Jiminy Gleick was that, because it was improvised, I would say things that even shocked me afterwards. Like, I remember interviewing Edie Falco. And she was in the middle of an answer, and I went, shh. Just because I ask you a question does not mean that I need an answer. Thank you. And she said afterwards, she was really thrown, because being shush was her Achilles' heel as a kid. So you can see it in the things she did. And it was also so insane. It's so insane.

• 44:55Amy Poehler?

  This is a great, great moment, though. I mean, Jiminy is the videos that people watch, that my people watch to...

• 45:05Amy Poehler?

  Check, like to just get a huge serotonin boost. Like it is Jiminy videos all the way. We, Tina and I, all of us send each other those videos almost every week. Still.

• 45:16Speaker 05

  I love that.

• 45:16Amy Poehler?

  They're just, they're so funny.

• 45:19Speaker 05

  I think it is that ability to say the worst things.

• 45:24Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 45:25Speaker 05

  And have no fingerprints on it. Like I sit, you know, saying to Mel Brooks, what's your big beef with the Nazis? And, and he just kind of goes, my big beef? My big beef? I said, you're always knocking on the Nazi. Oh, it's time for Mel Brooks to knock the Nazis. And he goes, I don't know, they're rude.

• 45:50Amy Poehler?

  And the, and the guests, it was completely, like, like they didn't know our questions.

• 45:54Speaker 05

  The only thing we ever did once with Steven Spielberg. I said to Steven, okay, at one point, I'm going to ask you to describe how, how you view the role of a director. And kind of look off. And so what we planned was, and the only thing, time we ever planned anything like this, is that he was talking, the camera stayed with me and I slowly got down in the chair and crawled to craft service and took all the candies, put three donuts, put them in my pocket, crawled back, crawled up in the chair and interrupted. Oh, that wonderful. Now.

• 46:36Amy Poehler?

  God, Jiminy forever, Jiminy forever. Um, you have a stamp in Canada.

• 46:41Speaker 05

  I do.

• 46:43Amy Poehler?

  Is it a picture of you or one of your characters?

• 46:46Speaker 05

  It is a picture of many characters.

• 46:48Amy Poehler?

  So it's a many-character stamp?

• 46:50Speaker 05

  Yes. It's a stamp, I have a coin.

• 46:53Amy Poehler?

  Wow.

• 46:54Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 46:54Amy Poehler?

  Is it, was that cool?

• 46:56Speaker 05

  Unbelievable.

• 46:57Amy Poehler?

  Did they have a ceremony and everything?

• 46:59Speaker 05

  No, they didn't have a ceremony, but they had, or they did and I didn't show. Probably more like, you know what I mean? It's probably, it was.

• 47:08Amy Poehler?

  They did, they had a guy except for you.

• 47:10Speaker 05

  Yeah, they were doing a whole, you know, Bewitched tournament on TCM and I wasn't going to miss that. Um, no, um, a coin, I have, uh, yes, a stamp. And so does Catherine O'Hara.

• 47:23Amy Poehler?

  I heard, the great Catherine.

• 47:24Speaker 05

  So does Jim Carrey, Mike Myers.

• 47:28Amy Poehler?

  All heroes of mine. I was 12 in 82. Were you on SNL at, what year were you on SNL?

• 47:34Speaker 05

  SCTV.

• 47:35Amy Poehler?

  In 82?

• 47:36Speaker 05

  I joined it in the spring of 82.

• 47:39Amy Poehler?

  So what, how many years were you on SNL?

• 47:42Speaker 05

  One.

• 47:43Amy Poehler?

  Wild.

• 47:44Speaker 05

  What was your first year?

• 47:45Amy Poehler?

  Um, when I started, 2001. I started two weeks after 9/11.

• 47:50Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 47:51Amy Poehler?

  That was the time when it was like, you know, will we ever laugh again? Comedy is dead.

• 47:56Speaker 05

  Right.

• 47:57Amy Poehler?

  And I remember thinking, but, but maybe not. Maybe it's, you know, maybe we should still laugh. Yeah, my first show was The Giuliani Show with the first responders onstage.

• 48:09Speaker 05

  Right. Who was the host?

• 48:10Amy Poehler?

  Reese Witherspoon, musical guest Alicia Keys. And that was September 29th or something, 2001.

• 48:19Speaker 05

  God.

• 48:19Amy Poehler?

  And, you know, it was like, you know, the beginning of any job. It's like, where are the bathrooms? How does this work? How do you get anything on? And we're not going to do anything political for three years. Comedy is over. New York is, you know, hurting. We're gonna, you know, there's anthrax in the building. But isn't it interesting that that happened then? Covid happens. Over and over again, this idea that, how can we get through this? Personal, people have personal tragedies in their life. It's like, over and over again, we think, how can I get by? And for me, and maybe for you, like comedy just continues to be the thing that I think pushes people through.

• 49:01Speaker 05

  Yeah, because it is so absurd, our life.

• 49:04Amy Poehler?

  Yes.

• 49:05Speaker 05

  That, that these perfect lives will end one day.

• 49:08Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 49:10Speaker 05

  And that tragedy exists. There is a reason that the two masks are comedy and tragedy, because they're both preposterous. And I think comedy has...

• 49:22Speaker 05

  Saved my life endlessly, endlessly.

• 49:25Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 49:26Speaker 05

  And being so lucky to be in the family I had, this Irish Catholic, youngest of five siblings, that are all still so close and all so funny. And all of us do Wordle every day. And everyone is mean to each other and insult each other. And it's perfect.

• 49:46Amy Poehler?

  It's the best.

• 49:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:50Speaker 05

  My father.

• 49:51Amy Poehler?

  I hear someone laughing.

• 49:52Speaker 05

  My father would never had dinner with us, you know, because he have his big, he was Irish. So it had, and he was a successful guy. But he'd have his big.

• 50:01Amy Poehler?

  He had an Irish brook?

• 50:02Speaker 05

  Yes. Crossman Glen Count Harmel. Marty, get down here. And so he would come home. We'd be in the nook having dinner. And he'd have the newspaper with his gin and ginger, no ice. Because the Irish feel ice is addictive. So he'd sit there and he'd. Marty, don't shovel the food in like an animal do. Thank you. And then, or one time he got up and he said, Michael, keep eating. I'll make sure the dogs don't get at you. It was just, and of course, if you weren't the brunt of it, you found it hilarious.

• 50:35Amy Poehler?

  Yes, but that's love.

• 50:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know.

• 50:39Amy Poehler?

  That is, the fact that somebody feels like you can take the tease.

• 50:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:44Amy Poehler?

  Is the highest compliment.

• 50:46Speaker 05

  People ask Steve and myself this a lot. And I'll ask you, have you, like, Steve and I insult each other a lot. You know, I mean, in life, it started with me insulting him in life. Because that's how I grew up. And then we turned it, you know, we insult each other on stage. But people always wonder if I've ever gone too far or hurt his feelings or I didn't mean to. It never has happened. And Steve will answer that question by saying, I think it's because we just know we'd never intend to.

• 51:16Amy Poehler?

  Yes, that's right.

• 51:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:18Amy Poehler?

  And we have, Tina and I have a different dynamic. We don't, we don't really insult each other.

• 51:23Speaker 05

  Well, you'll fight over the heat, right? Like if it's too cold in the room, you'll say, oh, that's my blanket. I mean, do you ever do that stuff?

• 51:34Amy Poehler?

  No.

• 51:34Speaker 05

  You know?

• 51:35Amy Poehler?

  Mm-mm.

• 51:35Speaker 05

  But I think, you see, it's so funny you say that because I think of you ladies as...

• 51:40Amy Poehler?

  That's where you should stop.

• 51:41Speaker 05

  Well, no, I just think of...

• 51:42Amy Poehler?

  You should just stop. Don't, don't think of us.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  So you never say, "Okay, missy," that, you don't say that?

• 51:48Amy Poehler?

  Mm-mm.

• 51:49Speaker 05

  Okay, that's my blanket?

• 51:50Amy Poehler?

  No, we're really, we usually are the same temperature as you.

• 51:52Speaker 05

  So, so sorry. Why should I? So I shouldn't just verbalize what everyone's thinking?

• 51:58Amy Poehler?

  I don't think everyone's thinking it. I think it's very personal to you.

• 52:01Speaker 05

  Okay, whatever you think, that's fine.

• 52:03Amy Poehler?

  I don't know if any, if you notice this at all, but there's a lot of, this is my personal fake food, some of my personal fake food collection. So we've been trying to figure out how to make the studio feel homey.

• 52:15Speaker 05

  You know what's interesting?

• 52:16Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, which one do you like the best?

• 52:18Speaker 05

  A lot of people would have fake food and it would be boring to look at.

• 52:20Amy Poehler?

  Thank you.

• 52:20Speaker 05

  But the way you've arranged it, like the Cheez-Its.

• 52:24Amy Poehler?

  Well, let's talk about it for a second while we just have a second.

• 52:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:28Amy Poehler?

  Okay, so this is a, for people who might be watching this rather than listening to it, there's a tiny little paper box of Cheez-Its.

• 52:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:38Amy Poehler?

  And you think, "Oh, it's just a teeny, tiny, miniature box of Cheez-Its. There can't be anything in there."

• 52:42Speaker 05

  No, it can't be anything. It'd be silly if there was.

• 52:44Amy Poehler?

  Maybe there's a tiny Cheez-It.

• 52:49Speaker 05

  Do you know what's sad about this moment? You, you actually know a lot about this stuff.

• 52:54Amy Poehler?

  This is my stuff.

• 52:55Speaker 05

  No, I know, that's what's sad. But you know what? Oh my God. Sometimes when I'm like, I'm dieting, but I'm still hungry for something.

• 53:08Amy Poehler?

  Does it have an Icy? You know what? When I have a tiny Nutri, box of Nutri Grain Bars.

• 53:14Speaker 05

  Well, surely nothing's in there.

• 53:15Amy Poehler?

  No, it's a ti, just a silly little box. It couldn't be an actual Nutri Grain bar and with an anthropomorphic face that's winking at you. Let's see if you can see that, right?

• 53:29Speaker 05

  See, a lot of people would find that disturbing.

• 53:30Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, not me.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  Not me, but meanwhile.

• 53:37Amy Poehler?

  Well, thanks.

• 53:38Speaker 05

  Oh, hold on.

• 53:42Speaker 05

  Party.

• 53:43Amy Poehler?

  Hey, not to be, not to make it a big deal, but this isn't real. This is a candle.

• 53:53Amy Poehler?

  It's fake bread and it looks like a candle.

• 53:56Speaker 05

  See, if you were on a blind date with a guy and he brought you back to his apartment and said, "You wanna see all these things?"

• 54:03Amy Poehler?

  I've done that. I've brought all my men through. My fake food museum.

• 54:07Speaker 05

  And some of it's fake and some of it isn't, you'd say, "Oh, okay."

• 54:09Amy Poehler?

  And I put it, yeah, and I go, "Let's go. Guess which is fake." I go, "Put it in your mouth." "Put it in your mouth and tell me what's fake. That's how I get it."

• 54:17Speaker 05

  Well, that was, I'm not, see, clip, clip, yeah, I can censor.

• 54:23Amy Poehler?

  But look, a simple felt fake garlic. This isn't garlic. This is felt.

• 54:30Speaker 05

  Oh, you're kidding me.

• 54:31Amy Poehler?

  Felt tomato. Come on.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  Why you? Oh, that is so clever.

• 54:38Amy Poehler?

  Thanks.

• 54:39Speaker 05

  And you know what? Again, some people would have this and not make it interesting. But you describing it is really, really interesting.

• 54:56Amy Poehler?

  Thank you.

• 54:57Speaker 05

  Oh, look, you can do props.

• 54:58Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, thank you. I'm gonna take your word for it.

• 55:03Speaker 05

  I'm a pirate, you know?

• 55:05Amy Poehler?

  Listeners, Marty is putting a fake felt tomato on one of his eyes and pretending he's a pirate. It's this kind of prop stuff that's great for podcasts.

• 55:14Speaker 05

  Ah, I know. And you know what? It's so interesting. I realize now as I do it, it's one of the things that have kept me out of the big money. It's prop humor. Yeah, prop humor. But you're making it work. What's that, an egg?

• 55:26Amy Poehler?

  This is a fake egg. ASMR. Listen to this.

• 55:31Speaker 05

  Well, it doesn't sound fake to me.

• 55:35Amy Poehler?

  People make so much money doing clickety click things with microphones. Not, but not with a fake egg.

• 55:41Speaker 05

  But what a gift you have. If this is an indication of what your podcast is gonna be.

• 55:46Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, it's really, really.

• 55:48Speaker 05

  I think, I wouldn't make a big cake to celebrate the second week. But certainly, I bet you finish this week.

• 55:54Amy Poehler?

  Yeah, we will definitely finish this week.

• 55:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:56Amy Poehler?

  We will definitely, yeah. And they've been very nice and they've, they've, they, I, in fact, they just.

• 56:01Speaker 05

  But I wouldn't bother to decorate the whole place. I mean, you've got, you've got this stuff going. I think it's probably, oh, pancakes.

• 56:09Amy Poehler?

  Big pancakes. They just said, someone just said to me, "Great job and let's finish the week." That's what someone said to me and I take that as a good sign.

• 56:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, I think it's very good.

• 56:18Amy Poehler?

  So my last question to you is, and I'm asking a lot of people this. What is the thing you, like, where do you get your serotonin? What do you look at, watch, listen to? Where do you go? Who do you hang with? I mean, we, you're very funny friends, but you know, what is the, what is something that you like genuinely laugh at, that you watch or consume?

• 56:42Speaker 05

  I can always turn on Annie Hall and just get lost in it.

• 56:48Speaker 05

  But I have great friends for a long time, decades and decades friends, who are all famous people in comedy. And everyone is funny. I'm, one time I was having lunch with Chris Guest. This is years ago and I was making this movie, Captain Ron. He said, "Martin, what is this film about?" And right away I knew he'd hate the film, you know? I said, "Well, Chris, I play a man who has two children who inherits a boat." He said, "I didn't say spoil it for me."

• 57:23Speaker 05

  I thought, oh.

• 57:24Amy Poehler?

  Do you have anything you like, like now that like you're watching? Anything that's making you laugh?

• 57:30Speaker 05

  No, you know, I truthfully, I am a news junkie.

• 57:34Amy Poehler?

  Well, this is, yeah, okay.

• 57:35Speaker 05

  I watch, you know, Morning Joe. Every morning I'll turn on CNN. So there are many, many, I love Bill Maher. But there are many, many things that people say, "You haven't seen that." I mean, when I go to the Emmys, I don't know who's a massive star or who's a seat filler. Because there's so much I haven't seen. There's just still that last Saint Elsewhere I haven't seen yet.

• 58:02Amy Poehler?

  God, I loved St. Elsewhere.

• 58:03Speaker 05

  Love St. Elsewhere.

• 58:04Amy Poehler?

  Oh, but that St. Elsewhere was so...

• 58:06Speaker 05

  I'm telling you.

• 58:07Amy Poehler?

  This is the last time you watch TV is St. Elsewhere.

• 58:10Speaker 05

  As Jiminy Glick said to Bill Hader, "I'm still mad that they canceled Arliss."

• 58:18Speaker 05

  All right, well, I love you very much.

• 58:19Amy Poehler?

  Thank you so much for doing this.

• 58:21Speaker 05

  So I get paid...

• 58:22Amy Poehler?

  Yeah.

• 58:22Speaker 05

  Not in cash, right?

• 58:24Amy Poehler?

  No, in Bitcoin, in Dogecoin.

• 58:26Speaker 05

  Doge.

• 58:26Amy Poehler?

  In Doge.

• 58:27Speaker 05

  Doge.

• 58:28Amy Poehler?

  In Doge a cat coin.

• 58:31Amy Poehler?

  Well, that was an awesome interview with Martin Short. He is the best. And now it's time for something we're calling the Polar Plunge, which is basically, how do you get... How do you change your day? How do you make yourself feel better? I do like to jump into cold water. I know it's weird, but I have a podcast, so I have to do it. But I think one way to, like, change the molecules in your brain and give you a serotonin boost is to laugh. And there is no better laugh for me than Jiminy Glick. So do yourself a favor and watch that character, played by Martin Short, in a variety of videos online. Jiminy Glick interviewing Bill Hader when he stepped in for Jimmy Kimmel is so funny. Hader cannot stop laughing. And he just loves getting teased.

• 59:15Amy Poehler?

  And that kind of teasing between people who are mutually respectful of each other is like my favorite kind of love language.

• 59:24Amy Poehler?

  So yeah, Martin Short, thank you for Jiminy Glick, the gift that keeps on giving. And if you have never watched that character, please binge it now.

• 59:35Amy Poehler?

  Thanks so much for listening to Good Hang. Thanks for hanging with us. We will see you next time.

• 59:41Amy Poehler?

  You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman, and me, Amy Poehler. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaia McMullin, and Aleah Zanaris. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.

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