Sauce Gardner: 2 sides to every story as the All Pro responds to recent negativity surrounding the NY Jets, locker room culture, Aaron Rodgers, team's needs in Free Agency & personal growth after getting hacked

“There’s 2 sides to everything. And I’m a realist, so I’m always going to keep it 100.” Sauce Gardner The NY Jets 2x All-Pro cornerback is setting the record straight, responding to verbal accusations about the organization and providing context to unanswered questions and speculation surrounding the Jets culture and future of the team. Only the 3rd guest to make a repeat appearance on The Pivot, Sauce chats with Ryan, Fred and Channing about everything from growing up in Detroit to his love of music to being a leader in the locker room to what 2024 looks like for The Jets but most importantly, Sauce was strong in his purpose of letting the world know, the bull crap and false talk about his team, needs to come to an end. Stemming from a recent conversation The Pivot had with Mecole Hardman, Hardman spoke out against his former NY team, listing numerous reasons he was happy to have left the organization as well as revealed the inner workings from his experience that painted the team as complacent and a disorganized mess from the top down lacking leadership, treating star players differently than the rest of the roster and not being able to have success despite having extreme talent. Sauce spoke out on social media after the Hardman did along with other Jets players who also debunked the claims sharing his side speaking in facts only about the team, their approach and the coaching. He was extremely clear on certain aspects of the season, spoke in detail about the locker room mentality and made sure it was known that the standard is the standard in NY and the team is not an ego driven program as described. Although frustrated with the narrative that Hardman and others have used about the Jets, Sauce is open about wanting others to succeed and believing everyone can eat if they work hard enough, he applauds Mecole for another Super Bowl win but says he should have taken the high road and not even mentioned his former team. The 23 yr old, young in age but wise far beyond his years, carries himself more as a veteran in the NFL than the young rising star he is. The early expectations were not for Sauce to reach the level of stardom he has now, yet with all of the fame and success, he discusses the importance of humility and grace. With a 96 overall Madden rating, Sauce understands that it’s the little things that separate people from good to great which is why he explains making it a priority to learn something new as often as he can by chatting with everyone in the building from the GM to the cafeteria people to the groundskeepers to his teammates, understanding that’s the best way to sharpen your skills is through communication and never being too big to learn from anyone. Playing in the biggest city brings a lot of attention and sometimes turmoil, which Sauce details one particular incident that highlighted his new reality while using his roots to handle the issue. This was the cause for roughing the waters between Sauce and Hardman, as he explains his former teammate’s involvement in the situation. Dealing with a hacking issue on Snapchat, false claims about his personal life, exposure of privacy on blogs while also being extorted, Sauce never caved from who he is at the core and never allowed the off the field chaos to affect his play. The only player to be named First Team All-Pro in his first two seasons since the 1970 merger, Sauce has etched his name as one of the best at the position and is just getting started. Being touted as a future Hall of Famer comes with a lot of pressure, which is why he continues to focus on each day like it’s his first day. Sauce didn’t have a role model growing up, so he strives to set an example and be a voice to young guys who came up just like him. With free agency underway and the draft coming up, Sauce says his team wants are simple, “I want Aaron to feel comfortable in the pocket and for Garrett to not always be double teamed.” Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:00Channing Crowder?

  Before I signed my second deal, I had like 300 grand in the bank. If I hadn't signed a second deal, I'd be dead broke.

• 1:07Channing Crowder?

  My first four years, I made four million, four for four.

• 1:10Ryan Clark?

  Four for four?

• 1:11Channing Crowder?

  And I had 300,000 left in the bank after them four years.

• 1:14Ryan Clark?

  That's not a uncommon story.

• 1:17Channing Crowder?

  I had nothing to show for it, though. It was all just hanging out, partying, spending. Just a financial dude called my mama and said, yeah, he spent, um... He withdrew 120,000 dollars between 6:00 P M. and 6:00 A M.

• 1:33Channing Crowder?

  So I was taking out 10 grand a month at the strip clubs.

• 1:37Ryan Clark?

  That's crazy, Chan.

• 1:39Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:41Channing Crowder?

  ATM withdrawals, 120,000, over 120,000 dollars in a year, all at the strip club.

• 1:49Channing Crowder?

  You could take 2,000 dollars a night, but I was going out, you think about it, 10 days, or five, six days through that month, so you could take out 2,000 dollars a night. So every Friday night, every Saturday night, I was taking out 2,000 dollars at the ATM. And so I took out over 120,000 dollars between 6:00 P M. and 6:00 A M. My shit had, my max is two grand, and I was hitting that on the head.

• 2:12Ryan Clark?

  And the strip club, they give you as much money as you can get.

• 2:14Channing Crowder?

  What's that? Yeah.

• 2:15Ryan Clark?

  That ATM give you as much money as you could possibly get. And Tootsie dollars.

• 2:19Channing Crowder?

  All of you for that little credit card. They charge you 10%, yeah, hell yeah. I used to, boy, I used to be in there. He was like, because I even, when he said it, when she said it to me, she, she was like, "Yeah, you took, you took out over $120,000 out the ATM." I'm like, "Shit, yeah, that's my money."

• 2:36Ryan Clark?

  Is somebody knocking? No? No. Okay, that's fine.

• 2:42Ryan Clark?

  Hello, Ahmad.

• 2:43Sauce Gardner?

  Yo. Oh, y'all got the whole setup, okay.

• 2:45Channing Crowder?

  What's good with you?

• 2:46Ryan Clark?

  What's happening with you?

• 2:47Sauce Gardner?

  Chilling.

• 2:48Ryan Clark?

  Good to see you, boy. Yes, sir. Good, bro? Good, baby.

• 2:52Channing Crowder?

  What's up with you, bro?

• 2:53Ryan Clark?

  Hey, Sauce, I ain't even gonna lie, bro. You the first guest ever that I was slightly upset that was on time.

• 3:02Sauce Gardner?

  That was on what?

• 3:03Ryan Clark?

  Well, we was hungry as hell.

• 3:04Sauce Gardner?

  When?

• 3:05Ryan Clark?

  After this meeting we just went to. And I was like, "Shoot, Sauce," and you hadn't texted us back, like, "Text us back what time?" I was like, "Man, Sauce gonna be a little late, man, we might as well get something to eat."

• 3:14Sauce Gardner?

  Man.

• 3:15Ryan Clark?

  I was like, "Let me shoot my boy a text."

• 3:16Sauce Gardner?

  I usually, I usually pull up a little late, but it all worked out, you know what I'm saying? I just came straight here.

• 3:45Ryan Clark?

  Well, welcome back to The Pivot.

• 3:46Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 3:46Ryan Clark?

  One of our very few repeat guests, Freddie T, Chan, I'm RC. Only repeat guest other than Sauce is Floyd. Floyd, CJ. Floyd and CJ, so you're number three, bro. You gotta be doing this thing. Yeah, so, so here is my, uh, my question, bro. Since you are here for your second time, like, the show could be totally different. So I want to go back to Lil' Sauce, the SoundCloud rapper.

• 4:09Sauce Gardner?

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:09Ryan Clark?

  Can you give us a little bit of what the, uh, what the flow was?

• 4:13Sauce Gardner?

  It was a little Detroit flow. I remember I had got my, uh, my first phone or whatever. You know, I was in, this is elementary, I believe. But you were still able to, like, buy beats on your phone? So I had like $3, the beat was like $3, so if you really go on there and like dig deep, I got like five different songs on the same beat. And that's what everybody talking about. They like, "Bro, you using the exact same beat." But that's just because I couldn't really afford it at the time. You know what I'm saying? And when I was in elementary, like, everybody rapped. Like, we used to be in my basement. I remember my brother used to rap with his friends. They used to be in the basement. He had his little group that he was rapping with. And I was young, and me and my boys was young, and we used to be rapping too. I used the little voice memo thing. So that's what I was recording off of. A lot of people was like, "You need to get in the studio again."

• 4:58Sauce Gardner?

  When they like heard the SoundCloud or whatever. But the whole time, I just played a beat and just record off my phone. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, so I used to like doing it. It was just, I didn't like have a passion for it. It was just something to do, like, if I wasn't playing the game. Because I grew up still playing the game, playing football, basketball, sports. But like, I still used to just do it just for fun.

• 5:21Ryan Clark?

  But if you listen to it, bro, like, and this is, this is me with my 44-year-old adult years, thinking about like a young kid. Like, you actually, like, it made sense. Like, you actually had a little flow.

• 5:31Sauce Gardner?

  No, for sure. It's just one of the things, like, I mean, you can really hear what I'm lying about. Because I did, I was capping about some of the stuff. But like, the good thing about it, like, is the stuff I was rapping about back then, like, is actually true now. You know what I'm saying? The jewelry, the clothes, all of that stuff. But like, some of the stuff that I was saying, it was actually like me.

• 5:53Ryan Clark?

  It's interesting you bring that up, that the things you rapped about when you were a SoundCloud rapper are true now. Your goals were recently, like, released, or somebody found them, and you posted it. Can you explain or tell me what those three goals you wrote on a piece of paper were before you enrolled?

• 6:13Sauce Gardner?

  I don't even remember what that paper said. I believe it probably said, um, I don't even remember what it said.

• 6:19Ryan Clark?

  Number one, because I know, was a 3.0.

• 6:22Sauce Gardner?

  3.0, yeah.

• 6:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. Number two, you wanted to be a great college player. And number three was, you wanted to make it to the league and take care of your family.

• 6:32Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah, for sure.

• 6:33Ryan Clark?

  When you think about having written those goals before you even entered high school to where you are now, how much did you believe that those goals could come true?

• 6:44Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah, I always believed that, um... I ain't really had like no big role model who was already like successful, stuff like that, who could just tell me stuff like if you write it down and just tell yourself the same thing that you write down, like your mind gonna train yourself to do whatever you gotta do to line up to those goals. So I feel like I was just wise beyond my years, you know what I'm saying? I just write, write stuff down and be like, you know, this is what I'm gonna do. And my mom, she always like preached school first. And as much as I used to always just have my mind on games and football, it's like, that was like the reality of it. Like you had, you gotta get the school part down. So it's like if you could be a talented player, because I know all of us,

• 7:28Sauce Gardner?

  I know we all know some people that was talented but just couldn't get it right. You know what I'm saying? So if you could really get that school part down and just, just lock into that, everything else gonna take care of itself. So, you know, I made sure I focused on school. Like, I went to college, I did my thing, three years, and then I went back, you know, got my diploma or whatever, graduated. Now we here, you know, I'm in the league, being able to take care of my family.

• 7:53Channing Crowder?

  You reached all them goals? You had a 3-0?

• 7:56Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 7:56Channing Crowder?

  We know the other two. The other two is on, yeah, that's on wax.

• 7:59Sauce Gardner?

  Okay, yeah, so I'm gonna get deeper into it. So like, when I was young, like elementary, I always had a 4.1. Middle school, it was danger, the same thing. High school, I used to have like a 3.4, 3.5. College, I used to have a 3.5 cumulative. So like, I was always smart. Like, that was one thing that you couldn't take from me. Like, I was always smart, no matter what it was in school. If I was outside, like I was always street smart, I was always book smart. I was always like smart all around.

• 8:29Channing Crowder?

  Do you still, you still set them goals? Do you still write them down? Like you saying, it was released, but you still write them goals down every year?

• 8:34Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah, I always have them in my notebook, especially like before each season too, I always write some new goals down. Some of them be the same, because you gotta understand, like in the league, there's certain things that you can do again, Pro Bowl or Pro. You know, one of the things I can't do again, Rookie of the Year, but like, I'm always writing goals down, you know what I'm saying?

• 8:53Channing Crowder?

  We talking about writing things down, notebooks. What's your pass code, A1 or hot sauce? How you get hacked?

• 9:03Sauce Gardner?

  All right, so look, I'm gonna go. I'mma go, I'mma go back because I ain't trying to create no theories. So this is what I feel like. Because like, like I said, I'm smart, so I feel like I can pick up on.

• 9:15Fred Taylor?

  I don't know how smart you was, Sauce, because they figured your pass code out.

• 9:18Sauce Gardner?

  Hear me out. It wasn't even that easy. You know what I'm saying? So, I'mma go back, back. So, it was a situation that happened with like these, this blog. You know what I'm saying? It's these female bloggers or whatever. And they like, they just post athletes or whatever and be like, "What's the T on him?" And I remember my name came into the conversation. So then I'm just seeing like females just lying. He took me to Paris. He took me to... I'm like, I ain't even got no pa... I ain't even have a passport at the moment. You know what I'm saying? I still haven't been to Paris. I still haven't been out the country till this day. So it's like, certain things, I just couldn't, I just couldn't get right with it. So then I remember I told one of my teammates.

• 10:01Sauce Gardner?

  And this kind of when me and Miko like kind of fell out a little, little bit. So, uh, my teammates, I got a couple teammates that made the blog or whatever. They told me that one of his close friends, she is the one behind all of it. Like she run that blog. So I tell him, I'm like, "Bro, you gotta tell her to take it down a... You know what I'm saying?" And he said he was gonna do it.

• 10:25Sauce Gardner?

  So then he come back to me, like,

• 10:28Sauce Gardner?

  "Ay, bro, I could tell her to do it, but she gonna want a little something. She gonna want some money." So I'm like, that really just threw me off, like, because that's extortion.

• 10:40Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 10:41Sauce Gardner?

  And it's like, you as my teammate, first of all, I've never been extorted. Can't like, I don't care if it was a dollar. I'm not paying nobody a dollar to like extort me. That's just like where I come from. We don't play about that.

• 10:55Sauce Gardner?

  So yeah, I remember, um, he said that. So that's where it sparked a little something like, I remember every single day like... I was just on some different timing because like I know that if you really cool with somebody, then you got the power to tell them to take something down and they'll do it. You know what I'm saying? So that's just like a part of it. And then something happened between me and him. He went back to the female and was like, yeah, this causing problems in the locker room. So then it's like, you going back to females, you know what I'm saying? You going back to females telling them what we got going on locker room. So then I remember that blog hit me up and was saying, yeah, I need X amount. So I just started responding. All that died down. So then fast forward to like my Snapchat getting hacked.

• 11:39Sauce Gardner?

  I don't think they was the ones like that hacked it, but I think they had something to do with it. Cause like whoever hacked it, he like a true hacker. Like he been around for a minute. So I don't know how that, how that happened. But it's like the messages, all of that stuff looked the same when it came to them trying to ask for a certain price. And it's like, if you do that, that's just like a no brainer. I'm not paying you. You know what I'm saying? Cause I know me, I know how I move. So if it's on Snap, like I know I ain't got nothing too crazy. Like I'm not recording every single thing going on in my life. You know what I'm saying? I always been that way. So shit, I was just like, go ahead, do what y'all gotta do.

• 12:15Fred Taylor?

  Aside from the potential ransom, it seemed real personal. Like the message from the hacker and the tweets and stuff, everything that popped up. It seemed personal, like somebody was really, really out to get you. It was, it was a different type of hack situation where they released these guys' accounts again. But those messages seemed directed and very personal. Do you think they're sane?

• 12:38Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah, I, I definitely agree. Like, I'm saying, it's like whoever hacked the account seemed kinda mad. You know what I'm saying?

• 12:44Fred Taylor?

  Exactly.

• 12:45Sauce Gardner?

  I'm like, if it's a true hacker, they just do it for fun. You know what I'm saying? They ain't really gonna, it ain't gonna sound personal. That's just what they do. So. I definitely think it was something personal. You know, I still don't know what it is, but I have my, I got my speculations, but.

• 13:01Channing Crowder?

  I was gonna say, bro, what they was asking for? About 20 racks, 200 racks, a meal? Like, what was the numbers they were talking about?

• 13:07Sauce Gardner?

  So, I think they, they asked like 100.

• 13:09Ryan Clark?

  100,000?

• 13:10Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah. It's one of them things where it's like, they think that I don't know what's on there. So it's like, I know that's probably why they overreached like that. Cause like, the Snapchat, you don't know what you're doing. But me, the type of person I am, is like, you not gonna find nothing OD that's gonna have me like, cooked or something like that. Like, you know what I'm saying? Cause I don't move like that. So I wasn't tripping, I was just like, hey, it is what it is.

• 13:34Ryan Clark?

  In a situation like that, early on, you mentioned, you know, always being intelligent when it pertain to school, also having a level of street smarts. You know, I mean, you from Detroit. Like, you don't make it from where you're from.

• 13:47Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 13:48Ryan Clark?

  Without having that sort of awareness. How much does that play a part in the way you move though? Because a lot of cats, in your position, type of money you have, type of fame you have, the type of success, they live recklessly, right? And if their Snapchat got hacked, they'd pay that money just to not let those things get out. How much of your upbringing and certain things you've experienced is what makes you live that way?

• 14:14Sauce Gardner?

  A lot of it, like, you know what I'm saying? I don't really, I ain't sitting there recording my whole life. Like, people know when they come around me, like, I don't need all them cameras in my place. You know what I'm saying? I don't really party like that anyway. Like, y'all know me, I be playing the game, streaming and stuff like that. Cause I know I ain't gotta worry about nothing, you know what I mean? So, that's how I be, that's just how I always move. You know, in the times if I was to go out, you ain't gonna see me dancing or uh, I'm probably like the most warm person to go out with. But it's just like me, all that music and stuff, that just, I just be like aware of all my surroundings. You know what I'm saying? My teammates could be all turn, but me, I'm gonna be the one that's, you know, that's chill, that's just looking around, making sure everybody else good.

• 14:57Fred Taylor?

  I know that. If that was Chen, Snapchat, he'd have been out there butt booty ass naked.

• 15:02Channing Crowder?

  Oh yeah, I'm taking my shirt off in the club.

• 15:04Fred Taylor?

  Picks, all type of naked picks and everything on Snapchat.

• 15:07Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm taking that shirt off in the club. But what did, what did you, what did you learn from it? What, what did this situation, what, how did that change something?

• 15:16Sauce Gardner?

  Uh, I ain't gonna lie, it just. It ain't changed me too, too much. Like, it ain't like I'm ashamed or nothing. Know what I'm saying? Like, everything, I got more secure though. Two-factor verification, I got that on everything, so. It didn't really change me, like.

• 15:32Ryan Clark?

  But you actually said, though, you've reached a place in success and fame where you can't really have a private life. Where you can't, you can't really live, I guess, the normal existence. Did you know that before this situation? Or was it this situation that made you tweet that and feel that way?

• 15:52Sauce Gardner?

  Actually, I think I tweeted that before this happened.

• 15:54Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 15:54Sauce Gardner?

  Before that had happened. So it was like I was already knowing, like. I'd had plenty of situations. I'd have been by myself. Or like, when I travel, I always got security with me. Know what I'm saying? But it's just like, you can just be out eating with your peoples. You know, you got people trying to come up to you, taking pictures. It's never really private, even if you wanted to be private, so. I feel like, since my name been growing even more, it's like more of that. You know, because I feel like the amount of people who know me from year one to now is crazy. And it's crazy, because I thought a lot of people knew me last year. But it's like now, it's even more crazy. Even in Vegas, everybody was coming up to me. I'm like, this Vegas, it's always people with big names here. You know what I'm saying?

• 16:40Sauce Gardner?

  But it's definitely changing, but, you know, that's what come with it.

• 16:44Ryan Clark?

  You mentioned how the situation during the season sort of caused a rift between you and McColl. Like, I get it, you know what it is. Like, if you're my teammate, you're supposed to have my back. You understand that these things are happening. If I know Chan and I know, if I know Fred and I know Chan, and Chan's like, hey, man, me and Fred have this issue, have this issue. I'm going to try to be the go-between and get things fixed. That's the way it works. We had McColl on our show, and, you know, he said some things about your team, the Jets. And Thomas Morstead spoke out and said something about, you know, getting beat out by an undrafted rookie. And, you know, you also, you know, there were some jokes you made. Playbooks being leaked or calls being leaked.

• 17:30Ryan Clark?

  When you started to hear those things, how much of those feelings from the season sort of rose up and made you think that it's possible that a person like that could do some of those things?

• 17:43Sauce Gardner?

  Y'all know it's like a difference between like this podcast and the first one. Like the first one, I really get in a room, something, I don't really like talking too much because I like to fill everybody out. You know what I'm saying? So when I first met Miko, I think it was in Cali, the first thing I thought is like he talk a lot. You know what I'm saying? So I really wasn't surprised by like him getting on the podcast and just talking about everything. You know what I'm saying? Just talking the way he talk. Because if you ask me, it looked like he was just happy to be there. You know, and it looked like he just made y'all's job easier because y'all just asked questions and he just sitting there talking the whole time, which is fine because he did ball out. He balled out in the Super Bowl. He had a Super Bowl game with a catch

• 18:27Sauce Gardner?

  and he won a Super Bowl. Now, I'm happy for him, you know, for being able to make that happen. But you got to think, I really feel like you can't really discredit the Jets, especially him individually. Like they sent you to a contender team. You know what I'm saying? They sent you back to the Chiefs and you just won the Super Bowl. So like, I feel like that's ungrateful and I feel like he shouldn't have got on there talking about the Jets because he could have just took the high road. You won the Super Bowl and you got to have the game with a catch. The standard, I know he spoke some good things about the defense, but like the standard is the standard. Everybody got to follow the standard. If the offense can't make certain things happen, that has nothing to do with the standard. You know, it's just, they just couldn't make it happen for whatever reason.

• 19:11Sauce Gardner?

  You know, you had some missing pieces or whatever. And yeah, like I said, Cosly do a great job implementing the standard. You know, offense, defense, special teams, it's not no ego-driven program. Aaron, yeah, he there, but Aaron, Aaron work his butt off, you know? The day in, the day out. And I know he mentioned like helmets being on the ground. We don't really have helmets on the ground. And I know if it was helmets on the ground, his was one of the ones that's on the ground. If you really know what it is, what it takes to win, let me just put it out here. If you know what it takes to win, I'm saying, you going to make sure you let the team know. We always around each other. We always in the locker room having fun. We always in the meetings. We always talking to each other after practice. But the reason he couldn't do that is because he never earned his stripes.

• 19:56Sauce Gardner?

  He came in the facility and just thought he had it made for him, like. If you know what it takes to win, you're not gonna go to practice and drop hella punts and then have excuses for why you dropping them. You know, you're not gonna go in a special teams meeting and get cussed out by the special team coordinator. Like, there's just certain things that's not gonna happen if you truly know what it takes to win. So I feel like it's always two sides to it, and I'm a realist, so I'm always keeping a hundred. Like I said, I'm gonna keep it a hundred with that. Like I said, I'm actually proud of him for being able to go there and make those plays like late in the season. You know, cuz he, I'm sure when he came to the Jets, he wasn't expecting to go back to Kansas City the same year or whatever. You know what I mean? So I'm proud of him for being able to win the Super Bowl. I'm proud of him for being able to, you know,

• 20:40Sauce Gardner?

  make that catch in the game.

• 20:42Ryan Clark?

  You are, just to be honest, I told you this when I met you at last year's Pro Bowl. For someone who is as successful as you are, the absolute zero amount of hate you have in your heart for people is refreshing. Like, I've listened to you talk about players at your position. I've listened to you talk about teammates, guys on other teams. And so, first of all, I wanna say that, just, and even in that answer, you displayed that. Like, you defended your team, and you talked about your team. You talked about some things that you felt were real with him, but you also said, "I'm also happy that you got to go do what you did." And so, just from a respect level, it just, my respect for you continues to rise. I will say this about McColl.

• 21:27Ryan Clark?

  He definitely was comfortable in talking to us, which I think a lot of people are. Like, you're a little different. Like, I can tell you right now, 15 minutes through this one, you're way more open than you were the last time. You know, I can tell that that's a difference. I think for him, too, it was part of that relief of like, "I had that start to the season, and look how I finished." You know, from our standpoint, I, I take some accountability.

• 21:55Sauce Gardner?

  I could have phrased questions in different ways. I could have redirected him different ways. And I gotta do a better job in that for sure. But I just wanted to give you your flowers on the way you approach everything, bro. It is absolutely phenomenal.

• 22:10Fred Taylor?

  Regardless of, you know, what McColl said, whether it's true or not, like, we weren't in the locker room. And we're talking about standard. He's a guy who's come from a program, organization, where he's played in, what, four or five Super Bowls or something like that? And it's a comparison thing for him, right? But you guys now have an opportunity. The words are out there, whether it's bulletin board or whatever it might be. You guys have an opportunity to kind of reassess and reevaluate yourselves in the offseason. Who are our captains? Like, the coaches, they gotta say, alright, he said it for a reason.

• 22:48Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 22:49Fred Taylor?

  You know what I'm saying? He was here, he peeked around, he said it for a reason. How do you guys as the leaders, how do you as the leader of the team, All-Pro, Pro Bowl, how do you take that step forward to say, alright, this is out there. Maybe we need to look at things a little bit differently and use this approach. How do you go for it? Do you do anything differently?

• 23:09Sauce Gardner?

  I mean, you gotta think, even if it's, if it wasn't true, you still gonna look at it like, alright, it's out there. Let's make sure we tighten up every end. You know what I'm saying? It's some good that we can take from what he said, without a doubt. But, you know, like I said, some of the stuff, it just caught me off guard. But definitely, we gonna make sure we tighten up every end. And to pivot back on what you said, I don't never hate on nobody, bro. Like, I come from humble beginners, you know? So I was always the type of person that wanted to see everybody eat. I was always the type of person that wanted to see everybody succeed. Like, I even saw me cold, I saw me cold at the, um... The All-Star game and Indy. You know, I ain't no hate towards him. I was watching him play.

• 23:54Sauce Gardner?

  You feel me? I was courtside, watching the All-Star game, you feel me? Watching, watching them play. But it's just like, in the season, when that happened, that's when I was like a different type of person. Not a different person, but I was feeling a different type of way. You know what I'm saying? Because I, I know like, if I know a female and she running like a blog, I know like, she gonna listen to me. If we just friends. So that's, that was my mind, that was my mentality, my mindset back then. But all that's over with. I ain't got no hate towards him. I don't got no hate towards nobody in the league, nobody in general. Because I feel like, first of all, when you ain't worried about the next man, that's helped you with mental clarity. You know what I'm saying? It helped you put some positivity.

• 24:38Sauce Gardner?

  And I'd have been in the room with like, Stingley, with Pass Hertan. We always chopping it up, we always picking each other's brains. So it's like, it ain't no reason to like, hate on the next man. And the fans and the fanbase, they always gonna try to paint that picture.

• 24:52Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 24:53Sauce Gardner?

  And even the, um, the media, they always gonna talk about, how do you feel about so-and-so? Do you think you're? And it's like, it don't always gotta be that. Because at the end of the day, we gotta line up against these other dudes on the offensive side of the ball. You know, so, that's why we always can help each other. So we got the best for, uh, for when we going against these Tyree Kill's of the worlds and these elite receivers.

• 25:18Ryan Clark?

  Well, first off, you did kinda hate on Micah in the All-Star game. Say he was wide costing that, ain't get 10 points though.

• 25:24Sauce Gardner?

  Hey, man, I'm gonna be honest. Like I said, I had front row seats, man, so I already, I seen what was going on. Micah had, he had a, he had a goal that he wanted. And I had got there a little late, so I didn't know exactly what was going on. He like, dang, I almost got 40. And I could just tell by how he was playing, he ain't care about nobody else, you feel me? He was trying to get 40. So then I'm, I'm just watching Kai, because I rock with Kai heavy, you know, that's my dog. I done linked with him, uh, plenty of times. He my age, you know, and he hilarious. Um, so yeah, I respect everything he do. I'm just watching Kai doing jumping jacks on the court. You feel me? And I'm like, oh no, he wide open. You know what I'm saying?

• 26:04Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 26:05Sauce Gardner?

  Micah still shooting the ball, air balling, he ain't even care. I'm like, nah, he chirping.

• 26:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, Kai said my wife tried to holler at him on one of his videos.

• 26:13Sauce Gardner?

  Really?

• 26:14Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 26:15Sauce Gardner?

  How you feel about that?

• 26:16Channing Crowder?

  I responded to him. We went back and forth on social because I was like, yeah, man, I'm a Ferrari. You a moped. Why would she leave a Ferrari to go to a moped?

• 26:24Sauce Gardner?

  Okay.

• 26:24Channing Crowder?

  One of the reasons, honestly, like RC kinda hit on it. One of the reasons why I think this show is so successful is because it's alpha males sitting down together.

• 26:32Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 26:33Channing Crowder?

  You can agree, disagree, but it ain't no, like you're saying, it ain't no hard feelings. Like, I think this way, I think this way. Okay, cool, bro, respect. Like, we don't gotta agree. We can respectfully disagree. But as men, like RC said, and we've had tough conversations between us three, too. Did you really have a grown man sit down conversation with McCole about all the shit going on?

• 26:53Sauce Gardner?

  No, we didn't.

• 26:55Sauce Gardner?

  Because I'm, the way, the way that I was, like I said, the way that I was mentally during that situation is like,

• 27:05Sauce Gardner?

  it's kinda how I would, how I used to be like back in the day, like back then when I was young. Like, I was really hot because I already had my mind made up. I remember walking into a special teams meeting and it's like, I feel like you could tell when somebody talking about something still. So I done sat down and I done turned around. I just see him like, the hand signal, he talking to somebody else. And I remember I got up, went over there, you know what I'm saying? And it's like, right, bro, this is wasting my time. Let me chill out. I ain't gonna gain nothing from this. Let me relax. But we never had a sit down conversation or nothing like that, you know? I wouldn't be opposed to doing it. Like I said, I ain't one of those type of people like,

• 27:45Sauce Gardner?

  once I'm cool, once my mind is at ease and not like 99% of the chance, a percent of the time, my mind always at ease. I always got a great mental space, thinking space, all of that stuff, so. I wouldn't mind doing it. You know what I'm saying? But at that point, like, it wasn't no telling me, like, to do that. You know what I'm saying?

• 28:06Ryan Clark?

  But I think that's, I think that's smart. Like, I've, you know, we saw, we've seen hard knocks. Like, we've seen you get into it with people. You've talked about the way you grew up. Like, from a leadership standpoint, to say this isn't the time for that conversation is intelligent and mature on your point, on your part. Right? Because, like, I know when I walk over to somebody, the sort of energy I'm on. Right? Sometimes I walk over and I was like, I hope he says something that I can click out about. Right? Like, that's the mood I'm in. And then sometimes I'm like, no, I really want to hear you how to fix this. And so I think for you to be, be able to understand your headspace and move accordingly, again, just says a lot about you.

• 28:49Ryan Clark?

  But for me, that's crazy, Sauce, that you have some of these things going on in your second season, and you became the first player since the 1970 merger to be All-Pro First Team two years in a row to start your career. I think it was something like, what, 251 total yards, yards or something like that on PFF given up. When you look at your rookie season, where your defensive rookie year compared to this year, how do and where do you think you've improved?

• 29:20Sauce Gardner?

  I would probably say, are we talking, like, on the field or like?

• 29:24Ryan Clark?

  Period. Because I think the, I started with the leadership part because I believe that's a large part of growth as well.

• 29:30Sauce Gardner?

  For sure. I would, I would definitely say the leadership part. Like, I'm one of those guys, like, I don't never get complacent. I'm not a guy that you by the C be like, alright, yeah, I'm only taking a few reps at practice. I'm literally doing this because I'm trying to get better and I'm trying to help motivate too. You know what I'm saying? I know I was the number four pick. I know I got the All Pros or whatever. So it's like, me, I try to attack every day like it was my first year. Because I wouldn't even start when we first was in training camp. I was, I was behind, I was behind Bryce Hall. Or dominant corner as well, you know, he be doing his thing. And we done seen at the times he had to go in there and play Denver and Philly. You know, he got a pick, scoop, score, fumble.

• 30:13Sauce Gardner?

  So, you know, just being able to just watch him and watch how he attack, attack the day every day. Like, he motivated me. That's one thing about me, man, like, I'm saying, I always, my ear is always open. You know, I'm always trying to listen and be able to get more pointers, whether it's from the coaches, whether it's from my teammates, no matter who it is, whether it's, sure, it could be the lunch lady. It don't matter who it is, I'm always trying to find ways to get better. You know, that's why the way I move, when I go in there to get my meals in a, in a cab, I'm always, you know what I'm saying, like memorizing names, you know, telling them thank you for the food and stuff like that. Like, I just been trying to mature even more, you know what I'm saying? And, um, yeah, back to like the, the Mikko thing.

• 30:57Sauce Gardner?

  It's like, I didn't come into the league to, to like be on that type of timeline. I'm saying, be getting into with people, be arguing with people. We all came in for whatever our own reasons is, me, Mikko, and the rest of the people in the league. And I know Mikko, he have plenty of reasons why he wanted to, you know, come to the league and dominate and show the world what he can do. You know, and I know one of those reasons wasn't to be arguing with me or arguing with other people. So, you know, we gonna grow from it and, you know, we always going on in on our, on our why and why we, why we play this game that we learn to play.

• 31:34Speaker 00

  Having uncontrolled eosinophilic esophagitis, or E O E, can mean you're stuck in many ways. Like, cutting your food into tiny pieces.

• 31:44Speaker 00

  Or stuck, chewing food for a long time.

• 31:49Speaker 00

  Dupixentipilumab, a prescription medicine for patients one year and older weighing at least 33 pounds, can help with that. It's a breakthrough treatment that can reduce inflammation in the esophagus and improve swallowing.

• 32:02Speaker 00

  How about this? Dupixent is not a steroid. It proactively treats EOE so you can get ahead of it.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Severe allergic reactions, including skin reactions, can occur. Get help right away if you have trouble breathing, or wheezing, or swelling of your face, mouth, tongue, or throat. Tell your doctor of new or worsening joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection, or asthma. Don't change or stop other treatments without talking to your doctor.

• 32:22Speaker 00

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• 32:33Fred Taylor?

  You ever look at your stats and say, "God damn, good as hell"?

• 32:36Ryan Clark?

  I'm locking folks up.

• 32:39Fred Taylor?

  Crazy, bruh.

• 32:40Sauce Gardner?

  Nah, I really don't because, you know, I really, I love the game, man. I love the game so much. And I love what the game can do for like my family, you know? It's like, I be, I keep seeing videos resurfacing of me when I was real, real young and it's like, if you ask any individual, you wouldn't expect me to be where I am today. You know what I'm saying? College, high school, Little League possibly, because I was a man in Little League. You know what I'm saying? I was a man in Little League. When I got to high school, I was still hella small. Like, I was like 5'8", 130, like ninth grade. So like, you couldn't really look at me and be like, "Oh yeah, he gonna be a cornerback, starting the league, this, this, and that."

• 33:23Sauce Gardner?

  You know, but like, I don't really be looking at my stats like that. You know, sometimes it's like, I can't, I can't help but to see them because they pop up on Twitter, it's always there.

• 33:31Fred Taylor?

  You look at your Madden rating?

• 33:33Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah, I do look at my Madden rating.

• 33:34Fred Taylor?

  What's your Madden rating?

• 33:36Sauce Gardner?

  I heard, I haven't been playing that. I heard they took it to 96. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy.

• 33:42Ryan Clark?

  As a gamer, how dope is that though, man? To see yourself on Madden, to have that sort of rating, you know, for someone who actually enjoys stuff like that?

• 33:53Sauce Gardner?

  We keep it at 100, so. I mean, it's cool, like, it's Madden pro players who will be getting me for their ultimate team and stuff like that. And I remember before I got drafted, I said, I had stopped playing Madden in college. I was like, I'm not gonna play until I get in the game. And it's like, whenever I actually get on Madden, I feel a certain type of way seeing myself. I'm like, bro, I'm really on the game. So that's why, that's probably like 70% of the reason why I don't be on Madden, because I'm on there. But it's not like a bad reason. It's just like, it always make reality hit again. It make me get to thinking about myself when I was young. Like, dang, but I'm really on Madden. I'm really a 96 overall. I'm really

• 34:36Sauce Gardner?

  this, I'm really that. You know what I'm saying? So that's like the main reason I don't be on there.

• 34:41Channing Crowder?

  Bro, we saw it. I go back in mind, we older than you. I saw it with Deion, I saw it with Champ Bailey, I saw it with Revis for that little stretch, and now your ass. Like, when you know the quarterback looks over there before snap, hell with that.

• 34:57Sauce Gardner?

  Nope.

• 34:59Channing Crowder?

  Does that shit get frustrating?

• 35:00Sauce Gardner?

  I mean, it do get frustrating, but like, I play between the lines, so whenever I get a chance to like, take it out on the receiver, that's what I do. You know what I'm saying? I get them to extra push or whatever, like, whatever it is. But it definitely get frustrating. You know, I had some opportunities to get interceptions this past year. And that's what make it so frustrating. Like, I wish I could have made the most out of those opportunities that I got, because I didn't get a lot.

• 35:25Ryan Clark?

  I want to ask you about that. Early on in the season, you guys are playing Dallas.

• 35:30Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 35:32Ryan Clark?

  You lock down outside, Dak kind of throws it across the field. And that's early on in the game, too.

• 35:38Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 35:38Ryan Clark?

  Where you have an opportunity to not only be the difference maker you always are, you change the circumstance of the team. When you have those sorts of moments, because you said earlier, you're always seeking to get better. You're always seeking to reach a higher standard. How frustrating are things like that? And how did you feel like right then, right there?

• 36:01Sauce Gardner?

  I was so frustrated. And I was making excuses, because it's like, I remember my visor was blurry, but, but I still seen the ball. It's like, if you all peep.

• 36:13Sauce Gardner?

  I haven't worn a visor, I didn't wear a visor for the rest of the season. You know what I mean? Because I was contemplating, it's crazy, I was contemplating on taking it off. I'm like, buddy, y'all seen my visor, it's crazy. Because we in the dome, that's how it is. Next thing you know, they outco. Like, damn. You know what I'm saying? It's definitely frustrating. Because I could have changed that game. You know what I'm saying? I still think about that. I could have changed that game. The pick six, we would have been back in it, but you know, they just had the momentum the entire time. You know what I'm saying? So, stuff like that, I wish I could get back. You know, I'd be lying if I said I did feel that way, you know?

• 36:54Fred Taylor?

  I think, I think last time we saw you, we asked you your goat receivers, like, former players. Do you mind if I ask you your top five receivers in the game?

• 37:05Sauce Gardner?

  Right now?

• 37:05Fred Taylor?

  Or the guys you like to go against?

• 37:10Sauce Gardner?

  So, I got Tyreek. Just not in order right here. Tyreek, Justin Jefferson, Devonte Adams.

• 37:23Sauce Gardner?

  Want to say somebody maybe, but he ain't put me in his top five, so I ain't even saying him.

• 37:30Sauce Gardner?

  Make him an honorable mention then, who would it be? I'd make him an honorable mention. Alright, so that's the three right there.

• 37:38Sauce Gardner?

  You know who I like though, who really like that?

• 37:40Fred Taylor?

  Who's that?

• 37:41Sauce Gardner?

  Amari Cooper.

• 37:42Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, he like that.

• 37:43Sauce Gardner?

  Amari Cooper. Like, he don't be in the top five though, people don't really put him in their top five.

• 37:48Fred Taylor?

  Maybe because he's a little older than those guys, but Coop.

• 37:52Sauce Gardner?

  Coop been crazy this year too. That's what I'm saying. Alright, you have four. Alright, um, I feel like I'm missing something. Oh, C.D., I ain't even said C.D.

• 38:01Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 38:01Sauce Gardner?

  Tyreek, Justin Jefferson, C.D., um... Amari. Coop.

• 38:08Ryan Clark?

  Vontae.

• 38:09Sauce Gardner?

  Vontae.

• 38:09Ryan Clark?

  Okay, nah, that's a, that's a great one.

• 38:11Sauce Gardner?

  Honorable mention, Stepan Diggs.

• 38:13Ryan Clark?

  Oh, cuz he did.

• 38:14Sauce Gardner?

  Honorable mention, Stepan Diggs. I was just about to say, same division.

• 38:18Ryan Clark?

  Lil' Aiden, his lil nephew.

• 38:20Sauce Gardner?

  Oh, he did, he did.

• 38:21Ryan Clark?

  Kid Pro Bowl.

• 38:22Sauce Gardner?

  Ay, nah, he, he is hilarious. I feel like, I mean, I feel like he gonna be a baller when it come to football. But he can mess around and have acting in his career too. Like, man, he can have his own lil TV show. He hilarious, for sure.

• 38:35Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he got, he got that, that Diggs sort of entertainment gene. You know, Freddie T. asked you about the top five receivers. Bro, your class of corners has turned out to be an amazing class. We all knew about you and Sting. You guys go three, four. Trent McDuffie.

• 38:53Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 38:54Ryan Clark?

  Absolutely went crazy, had a great Super Bowl. Deron Bland, Tariq. You know, just so many of you guys. Like, when you look at that young, that, that actual class of DBs, I think a lot of people still feel you stand at the top of it. How fun is it to play with those guys, know those guys, rock with them, but also get to compete amongst a great group of peers for the years to come?

• 39:22Sauce Gardner?

  I mean, it's great. I feel like, um, soon, whether it's this offseason, next offseason, or the one after that, like, we gonna have to all get together. And I feel like that'd be good for, for the culture. Like, we could start something special. You know what I'm saying? Us training. I mean, the next, the next group of corners, and the next draft class, they can get together. I feel like receivers, they train more together than us as DBs. I don't know what the hidden secret is, hidden reason why us as DBs don't be together. Like, some of the top guys, you know what I mean? Those guys that you just named in, in our class, some of the top guys, like. We could be learning stuff from the older guys. I know Slay, Slay always willing to get some game, free game, you know, Johnson Dallas.

• 40:06Sauce Gardner?

  He one of those guys, but there's other guys in, there's other guys in the league too, you know what I'm saying? I know Jalen, that put me hip to a lot of stuff, you know what I'm saying? Whenever I ask. But, I feel like we, there's probably some stuff that we don't know, you know, some stuff that I don't know that they know, vice versa.

• 40:22Ryan Clark?

  I have a question. What is your relationship with Kalen King?

• 40:28Sauce Gardner?

  Okay, so. Kalen, we got a pretty good relationship. He used to always be hitting me in college. We used to play the game.

• 40:35Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 40:36Sauce Gardner?

  When he was in.

• 40:37Ryan Clark?

  Penn State corner was coming out to the draft.

• 40:39Sauce Gardner?

  When he was in college, I think I was in college.

• 40:43Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, because you only been in the league two years, yeah.

• 40:44Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah, so we used to always be playing 2K and everything like that. And it's like, I used to watch him at Penn State. He used to be a baller. And then I seen his 40, and it's like he looked a little bit nervous. And it's like, I was feeling the same way. I know you probably seen the tweet. I was feeling the same way. I was feeling, I was feeling hella nervous when I was, when I was at the combine. It was kind of like uncomfortable type nervous, like, why is it so quiet in here? It's hella people in this stadium, and it's hella quiet. And it's like, you can just look up, you see everybody looking at you. And it's like, you get down for your 40, you look up, everybody is like around that area right there, that strip. And I remember my first 40, all my technique went out the window.

• 41:29Sauce Gardner?

  First of all, my, I could not learn to start when it came to running the 40. Like, I know your hand down, you gotta, they want you to swing it straight back. But if you lift it up first and then put it back, you already lost time. So like, even, even on my second 40, I did the same thing. I still just ran faster. You know, so I feel like a huge part of it is technique for sure. But yeah, man, I seen that, and it's like I already know he fast. I know the type of guy that he is. I know the type of player he is. And I know the type of dog he got in him. You know, he from Detroit? You know, me, anybody from Detroit, I'm always gonna feel like, I already know like where they coming from. You know what I'm saying? So I already know he feel like he can go up and match up against anybody, which is the main thing.

• 42:11Sauce Gardner?

  The main thing is how you perform on Sundays, or Thursdays, Mondays, you know, so.

• 42:16Ryan Clark?

  That's about that. Just, you know, to, to do it publicly is huge for a kid like that, or for a young man like that, who's going through that. Like you say, because he could actually really play.

• 42:29Sauce Gardner?

  Right.

• 42:30Ryan Clark?

  Right? He's gonna be one of the higher drafted corners. And then you do run 4-6, and the first thing goes through your mind is, I've ruined it all.

• 42:38Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 42:39Ryan Clark?

  You know, so to have you reach out to him, when I'm sure people are probably dogging him, or he's down on his self, is big for his confidence.

• 42:46Sauce Gardner?

  Definitely.

• 42:47Channing Crowder?

  And bro, I gotta ask, like you said, a number four pick, second year, two-time All-Pro, team leader. And y'all were in the talks of winning the Super Bowl early in the year. And we was all watching it. Week one, we knew what happened. We was all watching, the world was watching. Play four.

• 43:04Channing Crowder?

  A-Rod get back there, he tried to push off and then he sit down. He don't do all the wiggling on the ground. He just sit down and he shaking his head.

• 43:12Sauce Gardner?

  Man.

• 43:13Channing Crowder?

  You as a team leader, like at that moment, how did you feel? And then you as a team leader, y'all gotta get up the next day. Cause y'all still got 16 left for the regular season.

• 43:21Sauce Gardner?

  Shoot, they had to get out the next series.

• 43:22Channing Crowder?

  You know what I'm saying? You still, you had to do that. Like what, what was your part in? How did you feel at that moment? What was your part in that? Because man, that was, that was a hit to the football world.

• 43:31Sauce Gardner?

  Like you said, he wasn't doing all the squirming around and all of that. So I'm thinking like, he probably just twitched his ankle or something like that. Rolled his ankle. You know, but once I heard the actual news, I'm like, bro, like what we gonna do? You know what I'm saying? We had the whole offseason, Hard Knocks, all of that going on. And it's like, damn, we ain't got A-Rod. You know what I'm saying? We ain't got eight out there. We ain't gonna have him out there no more. So I was definitely hurt, but the way our defense is, the way our brotherhood and bond is, it's like, we always gonna think, all right, bet. Now we gotta do it for him. You know what I'm saying? So it was really easy to be able to go out there and be motivated to play for him. You know what I'm saying? You don't wanna see nobody get hurt.

• 44:15Sauce Gardner?

  And you don't never wanna see that happen to nobody. You know what I'm saying? The same thing with, um, what's his name from the Niners?

• 44:22Channing Crowder?

  Uh, Drake Greenlaw.

• 44:23Sauce Gardner?

  Greenlaw.

• 44:23Channing Crowder?

  Linebacker.

• 44:23Sauce Gardner?

  There's stuff like that, it's just, you don't never wanna see stuff like that. You know, you want people to always be able to be available, to be able to play the game that they love. So things like that is, is just hard, it's just hard to, hard to take. You know what I'm saying?

• 44:39Speaker 00

  Having uncontrolled eosinophilic esophagitis, or E O E, can mean you're stuck in many ways. Like cutting your food into tiny pieces.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  Or stuck chewing food for a long time.

• 44:53Speaker 00

  Dupixentipilumab, a prescription medicine for patients one year and older weighing at least 33 pounds, can help with that. It's a breakthrough treatment that can reduce inflammation in the esophagus and improve swallowing.

• 45:06Speaker 00

  How about this? Dupixent is not a steroid. It proactively treats EOE so you can get ahead of it.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Severe allergic reactions, including skin reactions, can occur. Get help right away if you have trouble breathing or wheezing, or swelling of your face, mouth, tongue, or throat. Tell your doctor of new or worsening joint aches and pain, or a parasitic infection, or asthma. Don't change or stop other treatments without talking to your doctor.

• 45:27Speaker 00

  Feeling stuck with EOE? Start treating with Dupixent. Talk to your gastroenterologist or allergist today about Dupixent. Learn more at dupixent.com or call 1-844-DUPIXENT.

• 45:38Ryan Clark?

  You know, he's back, right? You expect to have Aaron Rodgers healthy. I mean, he was working his way trying to get back if you guys made the playoffs. And so for y'all, last year was, okay, let's try to get some new players in. Let's get this new quarterback in. We have a Super Bowl caliber defense. We know who we are. This offseason is a little different. What's your focus and the team's focus this offseason headed into 2024? What do you want to happen going forward? And what do you feel like you need to do? I mean, I know LaSalle's been on the job.

• 46:11Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 46:12Ryan Clark?

  LaSalle's the recruiter.

• 46:13Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah, man. I feel like we got a couple pieces, you know, that we want to get, you know? But the main thing is just locking that brotherhood in, getting everybody on board. You know what I'm saying? If we are on the same page, we good. You know what I'm saying? That's one thing Miko did say that was true. Like when Aaron went down, it's like, when Aaron, I'm gonna just say it like this. When Aaron was on the field, everybody felt confident in their ability, you know? Whatever position they was like. Yeah, you had Garrett, Garrett always gonna do his thing. Breece always gonna do their thing. You know, I'm talking about them because I know that they was in the same draft class as me. And I already know them. You know what I'm saying?

• 46:56Sauce Gardner?

  But it's like when he on that field, everybody want to block for him. Everybody want to catch the ball for him. Everybody want to do that. And it's like, you know, once he, once he wasn't there no more, it's just, it's certain things that like we, some people like relented a little bit. Yeah, that's just the reality of the things.

• 47:13Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I mean, whenever you have a dude like that at quarterback, the belief in the building is different. You know, I mean, when you mentioned the name Aaron Rodgers, he's always going to be mentioned with the best to ever do it. He is in those conversations with the Patrick Mahomes when we talk about skill level, the Josh Allens, the big time guys in this league and him even more so with some of the things that he's accomplished. So when you look at who the Jets are going to be this season, now I want you to put your recruiter hat on, right? Because you know, in the offseason, LaSos of Buffalo Wild Wings, uh, Buffalo Wild Wings fame.

• 47:52Sauce Gardner?

  Yep.

• 47:53Ryan Clark?

  Gets to recruiting in this offseason. What are some of his recruiting wishes if he can make some things come true?

• 48:00Sauce Gardner?

  I want Aaron to be protected back there. I want him to feel comfortable back there in that pocket. You know, and it's really simple. Like, I want him to feel comfortable in the pocket and I want Garrett to not have to get double teamed. So if that means bringing another guy in, A to be able to throw to, you know, then that's what it's gonna be. But it gotta be that much of a threat to the point where it's like, all right, we can't just double team him. If we double team him, we gotta double team both of them. You know what I'm saying?

• 48:28Ryan Clark?

  Well, last year it was just double teaming the coach.

• 48:30Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That was it.

• 48:34Fred Taylor?

  Channing said, um, two-time All-Pro, two-time Pro Bowler, All-World, everything. You're a seasoned vet. Random question, what's most important, the seasoning or the sauce?

• 48:45Ryan Clark?

  On chicken wings?

• 48:46Sauce Gardner?

  Well, yeah, like what we talking about?

• 48:48Fred Taylor?

  That's some bullshit, man. My mind works stupid sometimes. Because you can't have.

• 48:54Ryan Clark?

  So I'm gonna be honest.

• 48:55Fred Taylor?

  I know this goddamn voice is deep in that commercial. Rubbing the pailset. Rubbing the pailset.

• 49:00Ryan Clark?

  God damn!

• 49:03Fred Taylor?

  The seasoning or the sauce?

• 49:05Sauce Gardner?

  Like, so I'm gonna be honest, like, you know, it'd be easy for me to say the sauce, you know? That's my name or whatever. But it's like.

• 49:13Sauce Gardner?

  You know, sometimes the seasoning is just right. You don't even need no sauce. You know what I'm saying? You don't even need no sauce. So I say the seasoning for sure. Got to be.

• 49:25Channing Crowder?

  I love it. You know what? I was about to say myself, but I think I'm gonna put y'all in there too. Sauce is better at football than we were.

• 49:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 49:32Channing Crowder?

  He's the best football player in this room right now.

• 49:35Ryan Clark?

  I mean, he's the only two that can even have a conversation. We're not part of that conversation.

• 49:39Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, we need to get on this one goddamn balcony somewhere and walk away from this conversation stuff. But to RC's point, like you talking about, and little Sauce, like you say, you on your recruiting tip, or you know. Do you go to the organization and be like, because you know these dudes. It was different. I speak myself. Like, I knew a whole bunch of dudes in the league. But then, like, I'm going to the Dolphins and being like, hey, man, my homeboy in San Francisco is a free agent. Do y'all, young boy, do y'all go to the organization and talk to him about that?

• 50:05Sauce Gardner?

  Oh, yeah, I did, I did, W bro. You know what I'm saying? I definitely did, W bro. I remember one of my boys, I ain't gonna say no names, because I don't know, like, where he at right now, or where he got going on. He about to be a free agent. He was like, yeah, I know y'all need a, I know y'all need an extra tackle. You know what I mean? So then I just said, I said that, you know? But I didn't say it till, like, after, because we had lost. So like, I wasn't going straight to him, like, yeah.

• 50:34Channing Crowder?

  You go right to Joe, or?

• 50:36Sauce Gardner?

  I went to Sala right there. Joe would hit me up sometimes, and it's like, it depends what it is. Like, if it's a receiver, he'd be like, hey, how did you feel about him? Like, did he give you problems? I'm like, it depends what it is. Because sometimes it's like, watch the tape, dude, it look like he gave me problems. You know what I'm saying?

• 50:50Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 50:50Sauce Gardner?

  It really depends on who it is, but, um, yeah. Because he know that us as players have a different relationship than a player and a GM. So like, we know the actual person. Joe D, he do a great job at bringing in the right. Person and the right man. You know what I'm saying? So that's the main thing.

• 51:10Ryan Clark?

  You want Deion Dawkins? I know y'all friends, no?

• 51:12Sauce Gardner?

  Oh, no.

• 51:13Ryan Clark?

  You say, I saw you the other day. You took your, you worked out, took your shirt off, said you was about to go do a podcast with your shirt off.

• 51:19Sauce Gardner?

  I mean.

• 51:20Ryan Clark?

  Like, when, why do you feel that's been the trendy thing, though? To knock the Jets? When Deion Dawkins goes on this show, obviously, he never wears a shirt. He didn't have a shirt on at the ESPYS, actually. And he's like, you know, those guys are weirdos or those things. Why do you feel it's become trendy to knock the Jets?

• 51:42Sauce Gardner?

  I don't really know. I would have been perfectly fine with the interview if, if he just said, I hate the Jets. I swear I wouldn't have said nothing. I wouldn't even responded like, I still shouldn't have responded because.

• 51:53Ryan Clark?

  That's what I'm about to ask. Why, what made you respond?

• 51:56Sauce Gardner?

  First of all, like, I'm gonna say, me personally, I ain't going on Vlad. I got my reason why I ain't going on Vlad. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's different to like, see like a current player going on Vlad, first of all. That, that kind of threw me off. When you look at Vlad, you really see more like rappers and stuff like that, who then got into stuff in their life, or then this, this, or did that, or that. You know what I'm saying? You ain't really seeing those.

• 52:22Ryan Clark?

  It's a different platform.

• 52:23Sauce Gardner?

  A whole different platform. That's why I said, I feel like he wanted to talk about what he was talking about. He could have just came over here and caught it today. Because like, you going on Vlad to talk about a $50 million contract that you just got? You know what I'm saying? Vlad really don't even care about that. Vlad ain't never played football a day in his life, probably. You know what I'm saying? And I got, hey, I ain't got no problem with Vlad, but yeah, it's just, it's kind of weird. Like, he's saying, we the guys who just post pictures on, and then I had seen something on Twitter. He got like 400 pictures on Instagram.

• 53:02Sauce Gardner?

  I'm like, how? Like, how are you saying that? You know what I'm saying? He, like, people was, because you know how the Jets fans get, they be OD sometimes, you know? They gonna go find you. You know what I'm saying? If this, oh, he said, we be doing that on Instagram, let me find his Instagram. So I'm looking at, I'm looking at the little pictures on Twitter that they screenshot from Instagram. I'm like, hey, you saying we be doing that, but you? You on your IG tweaking. But I ain't really, I ain't really tripping because it's like, again, that looked like one of them things where he was just like happy to be there. Like, when they brought up Mike Clement.

• 53:39Sauce Gardner?

  You can't, hold on, you can't call him what you call, like, he called him whatever he called him. But if you know Mike, you know he ain't going for nothing.

• 53:47Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 53:47Sauce Gardner?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 53:48Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 53:48Sauce Gardner?

  It was just certain things, like, come on, bro. You ain't gotta try to act tough on Vlad. We get it, that's where the rappers be at, that's where they, you ain't gotta try to act tough on Vlad. You mentioned he always have his shirt off, that's cool, but, come on, bro, you ain't gotta, you ain't gotta act over tough on Vlad. That's just, that's just me, how I look at it. Like, when I look at that podcast, it looked like a human being who was happy to be on that podcast, or happy to be getting an interview from Vlad, because that's what we grew up watching some R-rappers being interviewed on. And it looked like you acting over tough. And you ain't even gotta do all that. Because if you really standing on, like, what you stand for, you ain't gonna do all that extra talking on, on the interview.

• 54:32Sauce Gardner?

  You ain't gonna call somebody out their name like that, come on.

• 54:34Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think that's the part that was, you know, I could see having to respond to. But I kind of want to take it away from there. You're in your second year, and, you know, the great part about being in your second year is you don't have to pay for the rookie party. Now, what I want to ask is, when the, when the-

• 54:56Ryan Clark?

  $14,000 bill came out and you said, you could hear your voice, you didn't have to pay it. Did you feel a little sorry for the rookies though, being that you had to do it just last year? Last season?

• 55:10Sauce Gardner?

  Thank you, nah. Thank you, nah. Cause like, my rookie dinner, I had to turn rookie dinner. Like, I had the vets talking about, this is the best rookie dinner I done had. We ate dinner, lil baby, lil baby. We just, I was lil baby. I rock with baby heavy, like, that's my dog, you know what I'm saying? So, that's DJ favorite rapper. So DJ like, hey bro, I'm a, he wanna get a, I'm like, you want a picture? Bro, all you gotta do is say that. Tell baby come over, they take a picture or whatever, boom. So it was like, at the dinner though, the vets didn't even try to text me. I swear my bill would have been like 10,000 or like 8,000. The workers at the food spot was just bringing food out.

• 55:53Sauce Gardner?

  They was bringing platters out that's going for like 7 bands a pop. They brought 3 of them out, off the rip. And I'm just thinking like, oh yeah, this ain't really like, you know what I'm saying? So that's just like 21,000 right there.

• 56:05Ryan Clark?

  Wait.

• 56:06Sauce Gardner?

  That's just on 3, for 3 platters. So like, that stuff that they just brought out that people didn't order. That's the seafood, that had to be the seafood tower.

• 56:12Ryan Clark?

  What was the final number?

• 56:14Sauce Gardner?

  I don't even remember the final number. But look, let me, let me tell you. So look. At the end, when I, when I, no, there was like 6 bands, 6 bands a pop. At the end, when I go to look at the tab, and I don't never be on no disrespectful joint, like especially to the vets. All, all the vets rock with me, cause they know I'm solid, you know what I'm saying? I'm always keeping it a hundred. So I look at the tab, I look up, I say, hey, I ain't gonna lie, I ain't paying this. And I wouldn't even on no arrogant type, it was just the principle. It came off those platters and none of the vets ordered the platters. So it's like, hey, bro, I ain't, I don't know what y'all want me to tell y'all, feel me? I ain't paying this, you know what I'm saying?

• 56:55Sauce Gardner?

  And they could know where I'm coming from, because they know I ain't trying to be on no cocky junk or nothing like that. They like, man, why they do that? You know what I'm saying? So they go in with me.

• 57:06Sauce Gardner?

  My, our vets, my vets, they went in with me on the, on the bill. So I think I ended up being like eight bands, nine bands.

• 57:13Channing Crowder?

  Right, so did you go, so you should have went in on the bill this year?

• 57:18Sauce Gardner?

  Nah, that was different though, because like, this year is stuff that everybody already had ordered. Like, everything on the menu was ordered, you know what I'm saying?

• 57:27Fred Taylor?

  Precedent, so it wasn't no extra?

• 57:28Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah, it wasn't no extra, like, oh, we went to a different spot than last, than the year I, I had went to. You know what I'm saying? I would have, I would have looked out if they would have tried to get over on me, because I ain't, I ain't even gonna watch somebody try to get over on my dogs. You know what I'm saying? Hey, that was just unfortunate. The vets, the vets was feeling a little, you know?

• 57:48Sauce Gardner?

  You know?

• 57:49Channing Crowder?

  Junior say I ordered two bottles of Louis the 13th on the way out and took them home on me. Think about that, dinner done.

• 57:58Sauce Gardner?

  That was going, like, at that time, at that time.

• 58:00Channing Crowder?

  That was like, yeah, about seven, seven bands apiece. And, and the restaurant, he got one for the table and poured it up his shots, and he took one in the box home. God rest his soul, Junebug, loving to death, but, yeah, man, they even hit us in the head. They even got nice with y'all.

• 58:14Fred Taylor?

  Look, don't never be too rich to ask for the itemized copy of the bill. Because down in Miami, you hang out, they give you a table minimum, because, girl, the bar, the table chicks used to trick us back in the day. They give you the itemized, they don't give you the itemized bill, they just bring you the ending copy.

• 58:32Sauce Gardner?

  Exactly.

• 58:33Fred Taylor?

  You owe 10 grand.

• 58:34Sauce Gardner?

  Nah, that's definitely what I did. I did that. I said, I want to know how much it is for each one. That's how I was able to see that them, them, uh, western cars going for six bands.

• 58:43Fred Taylor?

  What was going on the flatters, though?

• 58:44Sauce Gardner?

  I ain't gonna lie, it was something crazy. I thought they, I thought they was looking out, I thought it was on the house.

• 58:49Channing Crowder?

  You thought it was free?

• 58:50Sauce Gardner?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 58:50Channing Crowder?

  Oh, shit, I ain't had to pay for nothing.

• 58:52Sauce Gardner?

  Bro, it's like some steak with like a, bro.

• 58:57Sauce Gardner?

  Damn, I don't know how to word this. Yeah, y'all was eating the wagyu, the A5? Yeah, but it was like the steak was like this, though. You know what I'm saying?

• 59:05Ryan Clark?

  He thought he was getting over. He was like, shoot, these boys eat this. This for the free.

• 59:09Sauce Gardner?

  Yeah.

• 59:10Ryan Clark?

  I'm good. Six thousand dollars, bro.

• 59:14Sauce Gardner?

  And it got over on me.

• 59:16Ryan Clark?

  You know, headed into year three, though, Sauce, man. This will be the last one for me. You've had the individual success. You always talk about team. You always talk about winning. What is it gonna take that if we're sitting here at this time next year, what is it gonna take for the New York Jets to be a playoff team?

• 59:38Sauce Gardner?

  Hey, just believing. You know what I'm saying? We gonna make sure the piece is there. Everybody just believing in their ability to be great. You know, we got the leaders that lead by example, and we got the vocal leaders as well. You know what I'm saying? So everybody, like the way I came in as a rookie, I was always watching the vets. You know what I'm saying? So we get that from the younger guys that come in just watching us lead by example. You know, they all gonna fall in line. You know, they gonna love being a New York Jet.

• 1:00:07Ryan Clark?

  I lied. I have one more question. You know, with what was said on our podcast a couple of weeks ago, it's not just about the players. Do you believe in special teams, offensively and defensively, you guys have, not only the players, but the coaching staff to win big in this league?

• 1:00:27Sauce Gardner?

  Most definitely. You know, I meant to say that earlier when you said what it's gonna look like. Complimentary football, you know, offense, defense, special teams. You know, we got the coaches. We definitely got the coaches to give us a great game plan, make it happen. We got the players to go out there and execute. You know, we just gotta make it happen. Can I hold your change for the night? I don't know about that. Look, I'm gonna tell you why. I would, you know, but I can't trust that you gonna come back with it. There ain't no chance in hell I'm gonna come back. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

• 1:00:57Ryan Clark?

  Appreciate you, dawg. Appreciate you. Appreciate you, my boy.

• 1:01:03Ryan Clark?

  Sir.

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