Michelle Yeoh & the cast of STAR TREK: SECTION 31

Michelle Yeoh leads a ragtag group of misfits in the STAR TREK film SECTION 31 and joins Josh on the stage of the 92Y to discuss her approach to fight scenes, why she stayed with Star Trek, and why she's in every big genre property nowadays. Also featured Rob Kazinsky, Omari Hardwick, and Olatunde Osunsanmi SUPPORT OUR SPONSORS! Quince -- Go to Quince.com/happysadco for 365 day returns and free shipping! Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Happy Sad Confused patreon here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! We've got discount codes to live events, merch, early access, exclusive episodes, video versions of the podcast, and more! To watch episodes of Happy Sad Confused, subscribe to ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Josh's youtube channel here⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:00Josh Horowitz?

  Last actor any of you were mistaken for? Does it ever happen?

• 1:02Speaker 03

  Lucy Liu, Gong Li, Zi.

• 1:08Speaker 03

  I did Memoirs of a Gay Shirt. Two days, three days, I was mistaken for every one of them.

• 1:19Speaker 04

  Prepare your ears, humans. Happy, Sad, Confused begins now.

• 1:27Josh Horowitz?

  Hey guys, it's Josh here. How's everybody doing? Welcome to another edition of Happy, Sad, Confused. I'm about to take you to another live event we taped at the 92nd Street Y. And this one made my nerd heart very happy. It was Star Trek. It was a Star Trek event, guys. As I say, in the taping, you'll see in just a moment, you know, I get to moderate a lot of things and host a lot of things, but... It was Star Trek, really, Star Trek and Star Wars, not a unique story when I was a little kid that got me so excited about movies and TV. And I went to the conventions in here in New York City.

• 2:13Josh Horowitz?

  And I stayed in line to get the autographs of all the stars. So anytime I get to host a Star Trek event, there's something special about it. So that's coming up. That's the main event in just a second. I'll talk more about that in a minute. I just wanted to say hello to you guys. Hope you all are doing well. I myself somehow managed to squeeze in like a 36 hour cold flu between like two events. Like everybody's sick, right? So it did not, it did not elude me either. I came down pretty hard with a bad cold flu thing. But thankfully I rallied just in time for the Star Trek event. So anyway, long story short, I hope you guys are feeling all right where you are. And you're evading whatever's going around.

• 2:58Josh Horowitz?

  You might be able to hear in my, my voice, my nasally tones more so than ever. But I'm fine. I'm okay. Reminders, we have no events to mention right now, but there's always something cooking and there are things cooking. So stay tuned for event announcements in New York and perhaps other places for happy, sad, confused. As always, go to our Patreon page if you are so inclined, patreon.com/happy/sad/confused. You're going to get all the early access, the upcoming event announcements, ask a question of the stars, get autographed posters. Oh, I was going to show this. Speaking of Star Trek, got a couple of these. This is the entire cast of Star Trek: Section 31. You want a Michelle Yeoh autographed poster?

• 3:43Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, that's badass. So go over to Patreon, all the information is over there. But with annual memberships, we give away autographed posters from our events. And there are a ton of cool ones to choose from. So check it out, patreon.com/happy/sad/confused. That's about it. No other big updates. We've got some cool guests coming up. Um, I'll just say it because yeah, why not? Uh, Ki Hui Kwan. Cause he kind of makes a cameo. He does make a cameo in this episode. Uh, taped a great episode with Ki, Academy Award winning actor Ki Hui Kwan. Um, starring in Love Hurts. So he is the sweetest man on the planet. You'll see it's his second

• 4:25Josh Horowitz?

  uh, appearance on Happy Second Fuse. It's actually, as he reminded me, I didn't realize this at the time, his first appearance on Happy Second Fuse was his very first podcast. So he's got a special place in his heart for Happy Second Views and that makes me very, very, very happy. Um, okay. So let's talk Star Trek for a second. This event uh, was a live event at, at the 92nd Street Y in New York City. This was with the director of Star Trek Section 31, as well as the cast. Um, Omari Hardwick, uh, Rob Kaczynski and Michelle frickin' Yo. I know, let's hold on that for a second. Michelle Yo, uh, had never talked to Michelle before in my

• 5:05Josh Horowitz?

  life and I am pleased to report she is amazing. She is amazing. I love her so damn much. Uh, so chill, so cool backstage. Um, just really easy to talk to and disarming for the international global icon that she truly is. Um, I fell in love with her. I mean, I was already in love with her, but she was fantastic. And you'll see in the conversation too. She's so charming and funny and self-deprecating. Uh, loved her, loved her, loved her. Five stars, Michelle Yo. Keep being you. Um, this is a slight spoiler conversation. So, uh, Star Trek Section 31 is on Paramount Plus right now. Uh, so the best way to, uh, consume this conversation is check out the movie first.

• 5:50Josh Horowitz?

  Cause there are some spoilers in here. So I want to give you some warning on that. Um, this is a new kind of Star Trek movie. This is a little bit more of the Guardians of the Galaxy, Mission Impossible, Ocean's Eleven vibe. You'll see, it's a different vibe for a Star Trek thing, but we gotta try new things, guys. I love my wholesome, you know, classic Star Trek, but I also like to see new things. So give it a shot. Star Trek Section 31, uh, it's on Paramount Plus. Check out that movie. Um, and yeah, let's get right to it. Like I said, a little bit of a spoiler conversation, a lot of laughs, a lot of fun with this great charming cast and director. Uh, Star Trek Section 31. Enjoy. Welcome, everybody. Hi, 92nd Street Y audience. Uh, I'm Josh Hurley.

• 6:34Josh Horowitz?

  Welcome, guys. This is a live taping of my podcast, Happy Sad Confused. And it's also a very special night because we're technically opening night of Star Trek: Section 31, guys.

• 6:48Josh Horowitz?

  As we tape this, in just a few hours, this movie, yes, this Star Trek movie, the first in many years, is gonna be released on Paramount+. But this audience in New York City just got a sneak peek, and you guys liked it, I take it, yes?

• 7:03Josh Horowitz?

  Um, I'm so thrilled you guys are with us tonight. Uh, look, I get to moderate a lot of things for 92nd Street Y and for my podcast, but anytime I get to do Star Trek, I'm gonna be honest, it makes my inner geek heart really damn happy. Because I grew up a Trekkie, I went to Star Trek conventions, I was obsessed. And now, to see Star Trek back in such a huge way, uh, with this amazing cast and crew, uh, this is gonna be fun. We're gonna talk Star Trek tonight. What better way to spend an evening, right? Okay.

• 7:39Josh Horowitz?

  So I want you guys to give a warm New York City welcome. Let's begin with the director of Star Trek: Section 31, Olutunde Ushusame. Come on out, Olutunde! You gonna go over there? Please give a warm welcome to Rob Kaczynski, everybody. Rob!

• 8:00Josh Horowitz?

  Omari Hardwick, come on out, Omari!

• 8:06Josh Horowitz?

  And she is an Academy Award winner, she's an emperor, she is an icon, Michelle Yeoh is with us, everybody!

• 8:34Josh Horowitz?

  We have Emily Gonzalez and Casey Rowe. We have some extra cast members in the audience, too. We should get some love, too, yeah!

• 8:49Josh Horowitz?

  Big night, congratulations everybody. You guys have been making the rounds, but we're so privileged. You're making the time to chat with us tonight. As I said, technically speaking, we're in the last hours. This movie is about to drop. How are you feeling as this first Star Trek film in nine years comes out for the world?

• 9:07Speaker 05

  Does it drop at midnight?

• 9:09Speaker 06

  Well, you know.

• 9:09Speaker 05

  What, tonight?

• 9:11Speaker 06

  Tonight. It's happening.

• 9:13Speaker 05

  I don't know, just you constantly hear 24th, don't you? And you think, well, I don't know, lunchtime? But no, it's like in two hours, brilliant. I'm well inside.

• 9:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I know, but I don't know why that didn't occur to me until exactly this moment.

• 9:30Speaker 06

  Are you still, it's the 24th in London right now.

• 9:32Speaker 05

  Do you know what?

• 9:33Speaker 06

  You know, maybe it already dropped in London.

• 9:35Speaker 05

  Has it?

• 9:36Speaker 06

  Maybe it dropped in another part of the world.

• 9:37Speaker 05

  You see what happens. I think.

• 9:39Speaker 03

  This is what happens when we're filming.

• 9:41Josh Horowitz?

  Regret the question already, god, guys. Here's what I'll say, congratulations are in order on many fronts. I want to start with you, Michelle. Very big day, congratulations on Star Trek: Section 31. And we should also say Wicked. 10 Oscar nominations.

• 10:01Josh Horowitz?

  I guess when it rains, it pours. This is a good day to be Michelle Yeoh, yes?

• 10:05Speaker 03

  Yes, it's a very good day, I must say. I'm so blessed. First of all, let's start with Wicked, because today we had 10 nominations for the Oscars. I was only a little bummed that John M. Chu did not get nominated. And Alice Brooks, our DP as well, because they really, truly did. I think we wouldn't be here without them, right? So how did that happen? Anyway, really, really happy for Cynthia and Ariana. They were like sobbing on the phone. We were all crying for all the best, good reasons, yeah. And then, now with my amazing cast. Who's that dude over there? That, no, because he doesn't normally look like that. He's wearing like shorts and flip flops on set.

• 10:50Speaker 05

  In Canada in winter.

• 10:51Speaker 06

  True.

• 10:53Speaker 03

  He looks like some surfer dude. And we're filming in Toronto and you know how cold it can get there, right? But I'm so happy that I got to reprise my role, Philippa Jojo, and then get to work with these super talented, talented actors, actresses. I wish, Sam Richardson. Yep. I've never seen somebody can sweat on.

• 11:21Josh Horowitz?

  On command. True skill.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  And Sven. Who else am I forgetting? So we, we had a lot of fun. We put, when we walked onto set, we always put our faces out and put it on fun, so.

• 11:35Josh Horowitz?

  So speak combining Star Trek and Wicked, is this a musical cast? Because I remember, Omar, you told me there was some karaoke-ing during production.

• 11:43Speaker 07

  We, we did karaoke on set and off set. We also, just so you guys know, as much of a powerhouse as Michelle Yeoh may be, when I say Michelle, you say.

• 12:00Speaker 03

  Sounds like Jamie Lee Curtis now.

• 12:02Speaker 07

  When we did our unofficial rap party, it was Michelle's night to celebrate us all. She and her friends, her lovely friends, some of whom are here. And we got to go hang out with Michelle and we did a moment of, I guess, flash dance meets what else? Dirty dancing. And there might have been a Michelle Yeoh flying in the air.

• 12:28Speaker 07

  Landing across us. And so it was a very musical cast. It was a lot of fun. We were given permission to just let loose and remain lifted. And it's a testament to Michelle Yeoh. She is obviously very elegant, very classy, but she is a riot.

• 12:46Speaker 07

  And we enjoyed it. We enjoyed it.

• 12:47Speaker 05

  And let's not forget that we've got a Grammy nominated member of the cast here as well.

• 12:51Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 12:57Josh Horowitz?

  A lot of talent on this stage, to say the least. Look, I'm sure, look, you can't grow up on the planet Earth and not have Star Trek touch your life. I was saying to this audience how important it was to me growing up. Who's the biggest, who did Trek have the biggest influence on, on this stage, growing up? Hmm.

• 13:16Speaker 05

  Yes, it may well be me, yes.

• 13:19Josh Horowitz?

  On a scale of one to 10, one to 10 dilithium crystals, how many did it...

• 13:24Speaker 05

  Twenty, thirty, forty, I mean... Thirty-one. Thirty-one.

• 13:28Speaker 05

  Look, I, I, I'm an autistic human being, I was diagnosed at thirty, and if you have the privilege of having that spectrum disorder, you tend to fixate on things. And for me, it was Star Trek. And Star Trek has been my, my comfort blanket since I was eight years old. And there's not a single episode that I don't mouth along with. There's not been a moment in my life where I'm not watching one of the shows. It has been the guiding force of morality, and who I want to be, and how I want the world to be, since I was old enough to understand the concept of a world. Star Trek is it.

• 14:12Josh Horowitz?

  I would imagine each of you had that moment walking onto these sets, where it's like, this isn't just another film or TV set, I'm in Star Trek.

• 14:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 14:22Josh Horowitz?

  What's, what's that moment for you? Can you recall, can any of you recall a "I'm in Star Trek" moment?

• 14:26Speaker 07

  Yeah. I probably had it pre-production, and it was just a phone call with, you know, our director, at the helm, steering the ship, and that being Olutundi. We had a conversation just about all the historical meaning of, of what Star Trek has meant. To Rob's great point, Gene Roddenberry and family created a world in which, you know, you draw a line in the sand, and you stay on this side, and or that side. And it invited in all misfits, all pariahs, all outcasts, all colors, shapes, sizes, sexual orientation, gender, religious affiliation, it didn't matter. And so, when Tooney said to me, "Oh, we have not had a lot of you with your face in the seat that I'm trying to put you in."

• 15:11Speaker 07

  When he said that to me, I thought, "Man, you got me at hello." And, and, and just for him to entrust...

• 15:20Speaker 07

  In me, that which obviously was entrusted upon and Avery Brooks to LeVar Burton, to Nichelle Nichols and Zoe Saldana and Sonequa and on and on Sam Richardson. While co-erding this opportunity as a fellow African-American man from Detroit, me from Atlanta, two chocolate cities. And for Tunde to go, "Bring some chocolate, bro," to this universe, that was a pinch-me moment. Just the conversation with my director.

• 15:50Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, it's in the DNA of the show. It goes back to the original series. You mentioned Nichelle. I believe it was, wasn't it the first interracial kiss on network television, Star Trek? For you, Nichelle, look, this goes back to Discovery. And... I know you were brought on, but it wasn't necessarily to be on for season upon season. So give me a little sense of your history with the show and how, how much you willed this into existence. Because it sounds like we wouldn't have Section 31 if you didn't really say to Alex Kurtzman, "Make it happen."

• 16:25Speaker 03

  Well, I, I'm not quite the nerd, like, I, I, because I, I, the problem with me, I can hardly remember my, what I did last week, so let alone remember all the different episodes and of things and movies that I love or, you know, TV series. But I did remember very, very clearly, right from the start, I wanted to be Spock. I don't know why. I always wanted, I thought he was the coolest thing with the Vulcan pinch and the eyebrow. So when the, when they came calling, I remember, I'm like, "Star Trek? Yes, hell yeah." But of course, I'm very cool. "Oh, yeah, interesting? Yeah, tell me about it."

• 17:08Speaker 03

  And he goes like, "You're gonna be like, the captain. That's a big deal, right? It's not just you're gonna be in the ship, be one of the, I don't know, carrying coffee around." And they said, "You're gonna be the captain." That sounded great already. They had me there and they go, "Uh, and..." Then, I don't know why, something went, eh, eh, something sounds a little off here. So I said, "You're not gonna kill me, right? You're not gonna kill me off." Then they went a little quiet, and they go, "Uh, uh, unfortunate, yes. Yes, yes, but listen, okay? Captain Philippa Jojo dies in episode two, I think."

• 17:46Josh Horowitz?

  That's right, episode two. What a run, though.

• 17:49Speaker 03

  Oh, I know. She gets killed, but it's a very dramatic death. She gets, I don't care if it's dramatic or not. She dies, but she gets killed by the Klingon after a great fight. I'm like, "Seriously, guys? I don't want to be just a little bleep on the Star Trek wall. I want to be part of the Star Trek family, and everybody will remember me forever and ever, right?"

• 18:12Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 18:17Speaker 03

  So then I said, "Uh, no." Then they go, "But wait, you come back." And I'm like, "You know, you get very skeptical, yeah. Everybody comes back in science fiction and be cloning you, I don't know what." Then they, "No, but when you come back, you really come back." "That sounds intriguing."

• 18:41Speaker 03

  "Why?"

• 18:42Josh Horowitz?

  Well, spoiler warning, and this, this audience has seen it. He didn't make it.

• 18:46Speaker 03

  But he can come back. That's what I'm trying to tell you, see? Yeah, he can come back, I was reassuring him.

• 18:50Josh Horowitz?

  There are always possibilities.

• 18:51Speaker 03

  We've got bits and pieces of you, anyway. So, yeah, we'll be making- Do this light to have the dream job presented to you, and then they kill you?

• 19:01Josh Horowitz?

  She does.

• 19:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's me, that, yeah. See, and then I came back, and the first thing, when you see her, you hear her say, "Don't you bow before your emperor." I thought that was like a rock-solid sentence, and then you see, and of course, my number one. Can you imagine the first episode, trudging down the sand dunes? Two figures, they unveil themselves, and Sunequa, the most amazing Sunequa Martin-Green.

• 19:31Speaker 03

  It was like, I still find it difficult to say, but two minorities. How did we come, become minorities? I don't know, I'm Chinese, you know? I, I can't believe I'm a minority anywhere in the world.

• 19:48Josh Horowitz?

  Touche.

• 19:50Speaker 03

  Right?

• 19:51Josh Horowitz?

  Let's just talk numbers, guys, because...

• 19:54Speaker 03

  But the most important thing was two women, the captain and her number one, and they're Star Trek. This is Star Trek. This is the essence of what Star Trek is about. So when we finished, I think we haven't even finished filming season one, I met Alex. I called Alex Kirschman, "Hey, let's have lunch." So, of course, you know, Alex is the nicest, sweetest, most patient guy in the world, apart from being an amazing director and storyteller and our lord and master.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  So I said to him, you know, "Spinoff." He looked at me and was like, "Spinoff from what?" "Spinoff, section 31, Philip Jojo." And he's like, "Oh, we haven't even launched Discovery yet."

• 20:45Speaker 03

  But I had the confidence. I thought, "Ah, this is an amazing... the story, the character, so many stories to tell." So I hung on to it and...

• 20:54Josh Horowitz?

  Well, I mean, it's taken years and different iterations, but...

• 20:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, but good things take time, you know?

• 21:00Josh Horowitz?

  Well, I think it speaks also...

• 21:01Speaker 03

  And it's worth waiting for, right? Otherwise, yeah.

• 21:04Josh Horowitz?

  That's right. I'll say also, it speaks volumes. I mean, you've never been more busy in your life, the opportunities, I mean, justifiably so that you have, and that you said, "No, I still want to do this." This is important to me.

• 21:16Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 21:18Josh Horowitz?

  Tunde, talk to me. You've directed a lot of Trek. When this, like, how far back in this development process did you go? Because this was initially going to be a series. Were you involved then? Or only when it turned into a movie? Give me a sense of how you got involved in this one.

• 21:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, I received a phone call from Alex saying, "Hey, we're gonna do a section 31 pilot and I'd love for you to direct it." And I thought, "Okay, great." And he told me a little bit about the conversation he had with Hugh and that he's gonna bring on Craig to write it, Craig Sweeney, who also wrote the movie. And, yeah, I, we, we actually had two parallel rooms going. We had section 31... We actually had a concept meeting on Section 31, while we were shooting the finale of season two of Discovery. So we were doing two at the same time. And then, and many things happened from Covid to, you know, you name it.

• 22:17Speaker 06

  It happened. And there were a couple of other iterations of the series. And then one day, Alex likes to call me and tell me stuff. So it's always something. And he says, "We're gonna do a movie." And I thought, "Oh, that is exactly the right way to approach this." Given all the things that we were able to learn and excavate from setting up the series, picking out the most salient points. It just felt, it just felt really right. And so I was attached to the movie and we were able to get it done.

• 22:51Josh Horowitz?

  Rob, what's a, what's a Star Trek audition like versus other auditions? Is there anything different about auditioning for Trek?

• 22:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, it's like any other audition. He said, "You're 100% sure you're not gonna get it."

• 23:02Speaker 05

  I was 100%. I was like, "Well, I mean, what are the, what are the chances that I'm gonna be on my dream show?" I mean, it's all, I'll make a bad tape, who cares? I'm not gonna make any effort. And I really, I mean, I was in my gym gear. I looked like crap. I didn't, I was really, I'm gonna, I've still got it 'cause I've been saving it 'cause I'm gonna run it next to the scene that it ended up being. And boy, are you gonna be like, "How did you get the job?" And then he's like, "Yeah, man, you nailed it."

• 23:32Speaker 05

  "Go." "Thank you very much." There was a, yeah, it came out a bowl out of the blue for me. Can I go back and just say one thing about Michelle Yeoh?

• 23:42Josh Horowitz?

  Here we go. Let's do it.

• 23:43Speaker 06

  Getting ready.

• 23:43Speaker 05

  This is, they're gonna drop the bomb. When you win an Oscar, you're the most powerful person in the world. Your most powerful point in life. And you can say, "Get me Spielberg." And he'll be like, "Yes, Miss Yo."

• 23:57Speaker 05

  And Michelle Yeoh, and she won her Oscar. She decided that the thing that she wanted to do most was this. Now, as a fan...

• 24:11Speaker 05

  As a fan, you want the things you love to be in the hands of people who love it as much as you do. And if that doesn't show that Michelle Yeoh and Tunde and all of these guys love Trek as much as we do, I mean, that made me feel so inspired that you did that. And I will forever be grateful that you did.

• 24:37Josh Horowitz?

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• 28:05Josh Horowitz?

  I think what's exciting about this, look, it honors Trek, but this is a different side of Trek than we've seen before, and I've seen a lot of Trek in my life. Talk to me a little bit about, I mean, creative touchstones. I would imagine stuff like Guardians of the Galaxy, Mission: Impossible. Like, is that stuff mentioned in the creative development process, or even on set when you're making this?

• 28:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, you know, sure, that stuff's mentioned. But, you know, what was really interesting in coming up with the visual design for this was taking a look at, okay, we have a really fascinating, nuanced character in Philippa Giorgio. And-

• 28:39Speaker 06

  What is Philippa Giorgio? She is unpredictable. She's fierce. She's got a bit of wild energy. She's learned kindness. And you take that, that what, those emotions and, and those, those adjectives, and then you apply it to the visuals. And, you know, it's just, it's just the way that I approach directing and, and visualizing what a movie should be and what it should look like, is you either, you either take the, um, uh, what does the scene mean and what does the movie feel like? And/or you go with the characters. And then you build out from that.

• 29:21Speaker 06

  And in this movie, as you saw, we have some very interesting characters. Um, and it was really important to me that the visual design represent that. So, so what does that mean? It means that, you know, we now have snap zooms, zoom ins and outs for the first time in this modern era of Trek. It means we've got different colors, bold colors, uh, that are very different from what we've seen on Disco or seen on Strange New Worlds or Picard. You know, it means that we've got sets that have a bit more texture than what we would ordinarily see. Each of it going back to character and the emotion of the story.

• 29:52Josh Horowitz?

  I'm curious, like this, yeah, I mean, this is, uh, I was gonna say, as you were talking, I'm like, that makes perfect sense because she's a flamboyant, big character. And, yeah. And from the costume design, the set design, the camera moves, that reflects Philippa.

• 30:08Speaker 06

  That, that's right. And you ripple that through every department. You know, we, we, we mentioned, uh, Gershka, who's here in the audience. And she, and she, she did all the costumes. And not only she done them in Section 31, she's done them on, uh, Discovery. And may I dare say, um, uh, that has rippled through all of the, the live, uh, action, this era of Star Trek.

• 30:33Josh Horowitz?

  So, Michelle, do you have a lot of empathy for your character? We see more of the backstory in this. She comes from very dark beginnings, and I guess you can empathize to a degree, but she still has done some despicable things in her life.

• 30:47Speaker 03

  Thank God I'm not a method actor, right?

• 30:52Josh Horowitz?

  Sitting where I am, I'm happy too, yeah. So, do you feel for her?

• 30:58Speaker 03

  You know, that's the thing, that was the interesting thing about Philippa Jojo. I was very happy when Craig Sweeney, our writer, I mean, he was holed away for two years, more than two years, writing this and tweaking it and all that. But to start the movie with, that was such an amazing scene. You all saw that, of course you saw that.

• 31:19Speaker 03

  When you open up and you see this beautiful girl, obviously she's been through a lot. And they draw you in into this very intimate family home. And that environment of just simple living, but so full of love and heart, right? And then you discover, to be the emperor, this is the choice you have to make. And there can only be one. And how do you, at that point, think anyone can make a choice like that? But, like we always say, is it nurture and nature, right? Maybe it's a bit of both to be able to make that step. But they lived in that kind of world where it was kill or be killed.

• 31:59Speaker 03

  And we find out very quickly that San, who didn't do that, still had everybody killed. And in a worse possible way. But I love that we're two but one, and that was turned day. That we reminded you constantly of that love. And so, when I see that character like that, Philippa Jojo, I look at that character, deep down inside, there is something there. It was, you know, it's not something that she made up. It was there and it's always been there. And that's why I think the crew from Discovery saw that as well. Much as they knew how all the atrocious things that she did,

• 32:44Speaker 03

  and even when she comes to the prime, she sometimes say, "Yeah, just blow them up." What? You know, and she looks at them with disdain like, "Oh god, you guys are just so hopeless. You can't make up your mind, you can't do things right. Just step out of the way." And that's the amazing thing about her is you never really know when she's joking or she's not. And probably half the time, she's not. So to get a chance to play someone like that where you're always on your toes, but you can't hate her. Because you, as, as, I think as us, as human beings, we empathize. And that what makes us human. And that, in us, there's always compassion and kindness. And that's, I think, our superpowers.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  So for, for me to explore, Philip, to start off with the amazing captain, who was kind and benevolent and much-loved, and suddenly, during this, I don't know what she was at the beginning, she was just all-powerful and scary, even to me sometimes. But we found those moments where it was hu- funny. You know, things that came out of mouth, it was like, I don't know whether to laugh or not, but if I don't, I maybe am gonna cry out of fear. So I did, I did fi- I did empathize with her. Because she was lonely as hell, right? She was like the lone wolf, always, no one she could trust. And it was really, even her own daughter in the Mirror Universe was ready to kill her.

• 34:09Speaker 03

  Everybody was ready to kill her at any point. It was only in discovery that she discovered she can, you know, she was being hugged. Oh, God. She was being like, you know, taken care of. And that was a, it very, it's good to discover that deep inside, there you learn to forgive yourself. You learn to forgive, yes, sometimes we take the wrong path. But if you think, oh, well, nobody's gonna forgive me, nobody, I don't care about it, then that's even worse. So this was, section thirty-one was a redemption for her.

• 34:43Josh Horowitz?

  Let's talk about some practical, important stuff. Who complained more, Sam about his contacts or Rob about his costume?

• 34:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's me.

• 34:55Speaker 05

  I mean, you cannot compare.

• 34:58Speaker 07

  You see, you see the point?

• 35:00Speaker 05

  Contact lenses to a fifty to sixty-pound suit made of batteries and pain.

• 35:08Josh Horowitz?

  And, Rob, don't forget, you also had to wear contact lenses sometimes.

• 35:11Speaker 05

  And I had to wear contact lenses. Which, which, by the way, I, I can't do. And I was crying my eyes out and having panic attacks about it. But I was like, it's Star Trek, we'll wear the lenses.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  But these guys were amazing.

• 35:25Speaker 07

  Rob is not high maintenance, but he was high maintenance in this movie.

• 35:29Speaker 05

  Dude, yeah. It was not my best hours, but it was my finest.

• 35:38Josh Horowitz?

  I want to get into some of the amazing fight sequences in the film. And I want to do it by way of a little video message that I got from an acquaintance. I got a chance to catch up with a mutual Ki Hui Kwan the other day. And Ki wanted to send in a little hello and message for his Everything Everywhere co-star. Let's take a look, shall we?

• 36:06Speaker 06

  Hi guys, hi Josh. Hello, Michelle. First of all, congratulations on your brand-new movie, Section 31. I'm so excited and I can't wait to see it. I miss you so much. We had such an incredible time making Everything Everywhere all at once. And I still, to this day, you know, sometimes I still think about that. It puts me, you know, puts me in a great mood. Anyway, you know, you have an incredible career. You're such an amazing actress. And all your fans knows, you know, the incredible action stuff that you do.

• 36:44Speaker 06

  And over the years, you have also worked with some really incredible male actors that are pretty good with martial arts. For example, you know, you worked with Jackie Chan, Chow Yun Fat, Donnie Yen, Jet Li, and that guy, what's his name? Yes, Ki Hui Kwan from Everything Everywhere All at Once. Okay, so my question for you is, out of all your male co-stars, which of them's physical abilities that impressed you the most?

• 37:29Josh Horowitz?

  That is awesome.

• 37:38Josh Horowitz?

  No pressure.

• 37:39Speaker 06

  Oh no, I'll just ask them to fight it out.

• 37:42Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 37:47Speaker 03

  Jackie, Key, and Chow. Chow will sit down with me, we'll watch them.

• 37:53Josh Horowitz?

  Right, yeah. Fight for my love, in front of me. That's the way to do it. I did want to say, I mean, not to go off-topic too much, but it's the 25th anniversary of Crouching Tiger: Hidden Dragon.

• 38:10Josh Horowitz?

  I mean, an all-time classic. That really changed how we perceived how action could be done for most of the world that hadn't seen it done that way. Was it a game-changer for you in terms of, you'd done a lot of fighting in films before, but did that change your approach to marrying action with drama and acting at the time?

• 38:28Speaker 03

  I think most important is Ang Lee who did that. Right, yeah. Because the Hong Kong action sequences, the way they choreographed, the way they create, the way they work, it's very, very different. I mean, today I was on the Drew Barrymore show, and she did Charlie's Angels, right? And she said she brought over Master Yun Waping's brother because he was training them. And it's very, very different. We didn't at that point have the luxury of rehearsal time. So, for example, when I did Crouching Tiger, I don't, I have no clue what kind of action sequences I'm going to get into. I just know my character very well

• 39:12Speaker 03

  and understand what the drama was behind that action sequence. So you get, you're all dressed up. I get there, and I'm standing there with Master Yun Waping, Ang Lee, and Peter Powell, our director, our DP. And I'm on top of the wall. Remember that sequence where we're in the walled area? I'm running on the roof. And then I'm standing on top of the wall. And they go, okay, so you run down this corridor, the side of the wall, up onto the ledge of the wall, and then down the wall. You pick up the stone and you throw it at the masked fighter. And you go like, down the side of the wall? Okay. I'm martial arts, right? And I can do anything.

• 39:55Speaker 03

  So for for us, the learning on the spot was something that I learned a lot from my days in Hong Kong. So which helped tremendously now when I go on to a film set. So I can spend less time with the rehearsal in the way. But the most important thing, like you say, is the drama that propels it. You know, otherwise it's just two arms and two legs, you know, flailing around. But for example, when we did in section thirty one, and thanks to Gersha with the costumes, right, Tunde, right, and Chris Maguire, our Sun team, how do we pair them up?

• 40:40Speaker 03

  Like the first action sequence, Philippa Jojo doesn't really give two hoots about why she's doing that. She just wants to get that thing and get this lot out of her baram. So so it's not, I know, it's okay. I love you guys. You're welcome. But, you know, you were like infringing on my. No, no, no, it's fair, it's fair.

• 41:02Speaker 03

  So here, what the excitement was, how do we make the fights different? Apart from the drama that pushes it, where the fight sequence with Sun at the end is high intensity drama, right, that propelled that kind of fight. So through the collaboration, and it's a real, real collaboration in that sense that we talk about, you know, what what's the message here? Why are we doing this? We get this and then they talk about face parts and I don't know what the hell that was. But then with the costume, we said, well, she's an inventor and she's had time on her hands, so she's gonna make, she's gonna be a walking lethal weapon.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  So the choker, our amazing glamorous choker, becomes this like dagger dagger. And Mario, our props master, was like very carefully, can you imagine our prop master, like putting Sirovsky crystals on the dagger?

• 41:58Speaker 03

  And then the cape, you wanted the cape, right?

• 42:00Speaker 06

  I wanted the cape.

• 42:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, you wanted the cape. And so we figured, you know, she has razor blades all along her cape, right? And then she has these bangles with her sleeves that opens up the force field so that when, you know, she can take the hits. So it's a lot of fun to be able to do that. But I think all my years in training with the Hong Kong films, that's really helped very much. So I can, you know, really sit down and go at it with you guys. But I did enjoy, I think I do enjoy, like, for example, the high flair of the first one and also the very dramatic one, right? Where it wasn't just about fighting and beating, but why we were doing that.

• 42:44Josh Horowitz?

  We're gonna add four more hours tonight so I can listen to Michelle Yeoh talk about fight scenes because that was amazing.

• 42:50Speaker 03

  Sorry, I'm sorry, I do get carried away.

• 42:52Josh Horowitz?

  No, no, no, no, that was awesome.

• 42:53Speaker 03

  But watching these guys do it, it was like, oh, why don't I have muscle like that? I can just crash through a wall.

• 43:03Josh Horowitz?

  Since we can't talk a little bit of spoilers, how'd we get Jamie Lee Curtis involved, guys? What happened? That's a nice surprise, another Academy Award winner joining the fray. Is that an Everything Everywhere phone call?

• 43:19Speaker 06

  Well, yeah, well, we were, myself, Alex and Craig, were having a conversation about, okay, who should play control? Like, who should be there at the end of the movie? I thought, oh, well, wouldn't it be great if it was somebody that we all know and recognize? And then we reached out to Michelle, you know, is there anybody that you could think of? And then she said...

• 43:45Speaker 03

  Of course, they say, uh, could you call her?

• 43:50Speaker 06

  That's right.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Right? And at first I thought about it. Yeah, we had that conversation and I was like, and then I went back and thought, maybe he's taking advantage of your friend. Exactly. Someone then, I know a very good friend of hers and I was talking to her, I go, "What do you think? Do you think?" She says, "Take advantage of her. She didn't expect you to do that." She, yeah. And that's what I love about Jamie is like she, she's very committed and when she's there for you, only if she believes in it. So, obviously she did believe in it because she was busy, she was starting her own new movie. And, but she came, she did it. She was great.

• 44:31Speaker 06

  She sure did. She was great. She came in and killed it in two hours, in and out. It was fast. It was actually the first day of principal photography. Not many people know that. Yeah, we shot, we shot her first, the very last scene, we shot a big part of it first.

• 44:46Speaker 03

  Hey, we did that for everything everywhere all at once too. The very last shot, we shot on the first day.

• 44:55Josh Horowitz?

  So, I alluded to this earlier, that this, this is a film that kind of pushes at the boundaries of what Trek has been and I think that's absolutely necessary as, as any franchise evolves. I'm just curious for you guys, you know, where do you want to see Trek go? Because it's, it's great to see, to honor kind of the traditions, but, I don't know, I, myself, I'm excited about seeing Starfleet Academy and I'm see, and seeing this. And I, do any of you have votes on kind of like where you want to see Trek? What aspects you want to see it explore in the future that haven't been explored thus far?

• 45:26Speaker 06

  You know, that's a great question. You know, it was, we, we really pushed the limits on 31. And, you know, I thought Rob and Omari brought something like really special, you know, along with the rest of the cast. And they had these huge footsteps to follow in, Michelle Yeoh's footsteps, Sunequa, you go, you know, Patrick Stewart, you go on and on. And I thought you guys just, just killed it. And I hope you guys really appreciated what they were able to bring tonight. But I, I'm also, it's interesting, involved in SFA. And, and it's really interesting examining what's happening with Starfleet Academy. I don't want to say too much and get in trouble here, but, but, but that's, it is, it is an interesting way forward.

• 46:11Speaker 06

  And I think there's also a lot of untold stories.

• 46:16Speaker 06

  For section 31.

• 46:17Josh Horowitz?

  I was gonna say, so yeah, what's... Do you... Yeah. Do we see this... If anyone's voting here, a series of movies? An actual series? What do you envision exploring next?

• 46:29Speaker 03

  I don't care as long as we do it.

• 46:33Speaker 05

  Do you think there'll be a T... How many movies are we gonna do? Do you think there'll be a TV show? Can you let us in?

• 46:38Speaker 06

  Well, I think first we have to ask Michelle and...

• 46:42Speaker 05

  Michelle, is there gonna be a TV series or a movie?

• 46:45Speaker 03

  You didn't hear what I just said. I said I don't care whether it's TV or movie. Just do it. Well, I just wanted to keep doing it, right? As long as we have our fans. We need your support to tell them, yes.

• 47:00Josh Horowitz?

  Are there any traits from your characters you would like to see in yourselves? What's a trait in your character that you admire? That you could absorb, perhaps?

• 47:09Speaker 05

  I mean...

• 47:12Josh Horowitz?

  Don't self-censor, you got something.

• 47:14Speaker 05

  Come on, Michelle, you must have something. You must have something. She murders well.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  I told you I'm not a method actor, okay?

• 47:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 47:24Speaker 03

  I'm gonna come and beat you up after.

• 47:27Josh Horowitz?

  Wow.

• 47:28Speaker 05

  I...I said the thing that I take away from Zef is his stupidity. I think you can get that.

• 47:34Speaker 05

  I admire his kindness and his goodness in the face of being the least intelligent person in the heck.

• 47:40Josh Horowitz?

  Sometimes it's easier in life just to be a little stupid, yeah. Omari, what about for you?

• 47:45Speaker 03

  True life is the best way.

• 47:46Speaker 07

  I think it would probably be, um... A lock has a, uh...

• 47:51Speaker 03

  Hot.

• 47:52Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 47:54Speaker 03

  Hot.

• 47:56Josh Horowitz?

  It's a true... It's a true family, yeah.

• 47:58Speaker 07

  He's, you know what? He's a very much a cross T. Come on, Michelle. He's very much a cross T dot I guy. And, um, I'm not as much that. I'm not as much that. I'm super...I execute really well, but I'm not so cross T, so that... You know, Gersha helps in terms of... Could you imagine that? Could you imagine if Tuni and Alex Kirshman and everybody hired me just because they liked the way I looked in Gersha's suit?

• 48:28Speaker 07

  That means anybody in here could have played a lock.

• 48:32Speaker 05

  Bro, I know, Michelle ain't telling me I'm hot, so I can't take it.

• 48:37Speaker 06

  Yeah. And by the way, she's not telling me that either.

• 48:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:40Speaker 06

  I don't think she said it to him.

• 48:42Josh Horowitz?

  We're all desperate for Michelle to say we're hot.

• 48:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, people should love, damn it.

• 48:46Speaker 06

  So, in addition to being...

• 48:47Josh Horowitz?

  Accept the compliment, yeah.

• 48:47Speaker 06

  Yeah, in addition to being an amazing talent, you are hot.

• 48:50Speaker 07

  I need Keita, I need Keita to come back. Give him back.

• 48:55Speaker 07

  Come back?

• 48:59Speaker 07

  Not fair. Hey. Working my ass off in Shakespeare Meisner for fucking 30 years. What the hell did that do for me? You're just hot, buddy.

• 49:10Speaker 03

  Hot.

• 49:11Speaker 07

  Great. I wasted a lot of freaking money.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  To be hot.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  Okay, talented as well.

• 49:33Josh Horowitz?

  All right, so much for the sequel. You guys are never working together again.

• 49:38Josh Horowitz?

  This is what the end of a press tour looks like, by the way.

• 49:44Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 49:45Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 49:46Speaker 07

  Thank you very much.

• 49:48Speaker 07

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• 51:59Josh Horowitz?

  Michelle, you have become, I mean, no surprise, every genre film wants you. Not only Marvel and Star Trek, you're going to be in Avatar. You're going to be in a Blade Runner series. I'm very excited about this. Are you gravitating towards that kind of work or is it coming your way? Are you, what is up with you just occupying this space in the genre world right now, you think?

• 52:26Speaker 03

  I think we're like magnets.

• 52:30Josh Horowitz?

  Have you shot Blade Runner yet? Just a reminder.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  We still have three more weeks left. We've been shooting since last July. Oh, God. Yes, it's been fantastic. It really is. It's an incredible world and I'm working with this beautiful, brilliant young actress, Hunter Schafer. So we have fun. She's hot, too.

• 53:00Speaker 07

  Michelle hasn't looked in the mirror lately.

• 53:05Josh Horowitz?

  Never seen someone more sad to be called hot.

• 53:07Speaker 07

  We did not know about Blade Runner.

• 53:08Speaker 05

  No, that's the most exciting thing ever.

• 53:10Speaker 07

  Castmates, did you guys know about?

• 53:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, I didn't know this at all, really.

• 53:13Speaker 07

  Wait, what, Casey?

• 53:19Josh Horowitz?

  No, but I agree.

• 53:20Speaker 05

  We didn't, we're just idiots.

• 53:21Speaker 07

  Oh, the ladies knew. We didn't know about Blade Runner.

• 53:25Josh Horowitz?

  We're excited.

• 53:25Speaker 03

  Where have you been the last two months?

• 53:28Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah, we're spending another hour talking Blade Runner and Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, okay?

• 53:32Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 53:33Speaker 05

  And Avatar.

• 53:35Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 53:36Speaker 05

  Well, I'm just gonna go and be in either the first, second, or third most expensive movie of all, like the biggest grossing movie of all time after the other two Avatars.

• 53:46Josh Horowitz?

  Okay, time is sadly running short, so I'm gonna give you guys the Happy, Sad, Confused, Profoundly Random Questions. Are you ready? Yep. Here we go, guys. Dogs or cats? Dogs.

• 53:56Speaker 06

  Dogs.

• 53:57Josh Horowitz?

  Unanimous.

• 53:58Speaker 05

  Aw, poor cats.

• 54:00Speaker 07

  Sorry, Sam Richardson.

• 54:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:02Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, he's not representing the cats, okay. What do you guys collect?

• 54:08Josh Horowitz?

  Do you collect anything?

• 54:10Speaker 06

  Soundtracks.

• 54:10Josh Horowitz?

  Soundtracks?

• 54:11Speaker 07

  Yeah, record, yeah, records for me, old records.

• 54:15Speaker 05

  I mean, I collect kind of a thousand different things from a thousand different properties. I've got every version of the Normandy that's ever been, like, minted. I've got, like, crazy action figures. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm one of you.

• 54:26Josh Horowitz?

  You're that guy, yeah.

• 54:30Josh Horowitz?

  You're in a safe place, it's okay.

• 54:31Speaker 05

  I'm that guy. I spend all my money on toys.

• 54:36Josh Horowitz?

  Least surprising news ever.

• 54:41Josh Horowitz?

  I got you, I got you. Michelle, do you collect anything?

• 54:47Josh Horowitz?

  Besides awards for everything everywhere all at once?

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Yes, I do. I collect watches.

• 54:56Josh Horowitz?

  That's okay.

• 54:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's cool. Crazy watch collection.

• 55:01Speaker 07

  Yes, you do.

• 55:02Josh Horowitz?

  Yes, I do.

• 55:03Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 55:04Josh Horowitz?

  What is the best video game of all time?

• 55:07Speaker 07

  Uh, Gallagher.

• 55:08Josh Horowitz?

  Gallagher. Yeah, old school. I like it. Yeah, I'm with you.

• 55:12Speaker 05

  No, it's not.

• 55:13Speaker 07

  I just said it was.

• 55:16Josh Horowitz?

  That hurts as hard for you to say that.

• 55:18Speaker 05

  But it's not, is it?

• 55:19Speaker 07

  What are you gonna say, Pac-Man?

• 55:20Speaker 05

  No, no, you can sit there and say Tetris is.

• 55:22Speaker 07

  What are you gonna say, Pac-Man?

• 55:23Speaker 05

  They're important games, but I mean, have you played Mass Effect? Have you played Horizon? Have you played Assassin's Creed? Like, there are so many good games.

• 55:32Speaker 07

  Do you see what we mean by high maintenance? Like, you can't, like, it's just...

• 55:37Speaker 03

  We've got a right cast here, hot and high maintenance.

• 55:40Speaker 05

  But let's be real!

• 55:41Speaker 07

  Gallagher.

• 55:44Speaker 05

  Gallagher.

• 55:46Speaker 06

  Well, I got one from my childhood that I don't know that anybody will ever remember. Super Nintendo Act Razor.

• 55:53Speaker 05

  No. No, I was...

• 55:56Josh Horowitz?

  Okay.

• 55:58Speaker 05

  That got zero votes at the party.

• 56:01Josh Horowitz?

  Well, does anybody have an interesting wallpaper on their phone? What's the wallpaper on your phone? Does it reveal anything about yourself? No?

• 56:10Speaker 05

  Mine is my dogs.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 56:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:14Josh Horowitz?

  Same.

• 56:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:15Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah. Last actor any of you were mistaken for?

• 56:20Josh Horowitz?

  Does that ever happen? An actor you were mistaken for. Does it ever happen?

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Lucy Liu, Gong Li, Zi.

• 56:29Speaker 03

  I did Memoirs of a Day Show. Two days, three days, I was mistaken for every one of them.

• 56:42Josh Horowitz?

  How about this? The worst note a director has ever given you?

• 56:45Speaker 05

  Uh, that's...

• 56:47Speaker 03

  What did you tell me tonight?

• 56:51Speaker 03

  What did you say tonight?

• 56:52Josh Horowitz?

  Besides tonight, of course, obviously. Yeah, yeah.

• 56:54Speaker 05

  Oh, you get a reprieve?

• 56:55Josh Horowitz?

  Yeah.

• 56:55Speaker 05

  I was on a show once and I did a scene, and I was feeling pretty good about it. And the director walked up to me and he just stood in front of me and he kinda went... And he was doing this thing with his hand. He was like trying to figure out how to... He started doing this, and then he just went, "You know what? Just be better."

• 57:17Speaker 05

  Thank you very much, Pete, that was very useful. What was his name? Pete. Yeah, go to hell, Pete.

• 57:30Speaker 05

  I think he's teaching at my old drama school.

• 57:36Josh Horowitz?

  That's amazing. Anything stick out? You don't have to name names. Does any bad direction you've received over the years, Omari, Michelle?

• 57:44Speaker 07

  There's always bad direction.

• 57:47Josh Horowitz?

  What's not helpful? What do you not like hearing from a director generally?

• 57:50Speaker 07

  When directors start acting.

• 57:53Josh Horowitz?

  Wine readings, that kind of thing?

• 57:55Speaker 07

  Yeah, line reading, like actual physical movement of how they want your face to like stop. You look terrible.

• 58:05Josh Horowitz?

  I'm gonna act, you're gonna direct, and we're just gonna do it? Yeah.

• 58:10Speaker 03

  No, I don't like directors when they're not prepared. You know, because when you're on set, you're wasting everybody's time. And when questions start coming out, it's why do you do this? What's the motivation? It's like, hell no, please.

• 58:27Josh Horowitz?

  And finally, in the spirit of Happy Sad Confused, the name of my beloved podcast, an actor that always makes you happy. You see them on screen, you immediately light up. You're in a better mood.

• 58:35Speaker 07

  Oh, that is a great question, yeah.

• 58:39Josh Horowitz?

  You see, no, an actor, a particular actor, whenever they're on screen, you're in a better mood. Is there an actor that you always gravitate towards?

• 58:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, one, rest in peace, James Earl Jones, always.

• 58:55Speaker 05

  Robin Williams.

• 58:57Josh Horowitz?

  Robin Williams comes up a lot. He is a frequent answer.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  I always loved Audrey Hepburn.

• 59:04Josh Horowitz?

  Nice.

• 59:08Speaker 06

  Excluding current company, Denzel Washington.

• 59:12Josh Horowitz?

  Excellent.

• 59:13Speaker 05

  Imagine a film with those four.

• 59:16Josh Horowitz?

  Which one?

• 59:17Speaker 07

  Those four? I'm saying, like, Tunde just named Denzel, and so he's saying even when he's like, King Kong ain't got nothing. You still happy?

• 59:27Speaker 06

  I'm still happy.

• 59:27Speaker 07

  Yeah!

• 59:28Speaker 06

  I'm still happy.

• 59:29Speaker 07

  Do it again!

• 59:34Josh Horowitz?

  A movie that makes you sad, always, makes you tear up, makes you emotional. What movie makes you sad?

• 59:41Speaker 07

  Shawshank Redemption. Shawshank Redemption.

• 59:46Josh Horowitz?

  That's a good one.

• 59:47Speaker 07

  I feel hopeful too, but it makes me sad.

• 59:51Speaker 05

  I was talking about this today, actually. I was doing a podcast and we got into this moment. It was a Katie Sakoff's podcast and we were talking about Moana.

• 1:00:02Speaker 05

  And you know, you know that bit at the end where she's got the heart of Taffiti? And Taffiti is rushing towards her and she's so crazy angry and Moana's singing, "I can see it inside," and he's just like, "No, no, like, like, give her her heart back." And like, it just brings a tear. We were literally crying about it on the podcast. I mean, it's sad, but it's absolutely, like, Moana.

• 1:00:29Speaker 05

  I am such a stereotype.

• 1:00:33Josh Horowitz?

  You've really revealed too much today. And unless you have an answer, I have a final question. That's okay. And final question, most importantly, a food that makes you confused. You don't get it. Why do people like that? What's up with that food?

• 1:00:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:00:51Josh Horowitz?

  You got one?

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  Escargot.

• 1:00:53Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  Oh, come on!

• 1:00:59Speaker 07

  Calling you out, like you, he's going to get escargot tonight, right after that.

• 1:01:05Speaker 07

  Sardines are confusing to me.

• 1:01:07Josh Horowitz?

  Sardines, okay. Same family?

• 1:01:10Speaker 07

  Yeah, same family.

• 1:01:12Josh Horowitz?

  Rob?

• 1:01:12Speaker 05

  Turkish delight.

• 1:01:14Josh Horowitz?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:01:15Speaker 05

  What is, that's not a sweet, what is it? It doesn't taste, it's just powder and gelatin, it's horrible.

• 1:01:22Josh Horowitz?

  Your voice is cracking. What's happening?

• 1:01:24Speaker 05

  No delight in it at all, like, it's misery.

• 1:01:29Josh Horowitz?

  You're enraged.

• 1:01:30Speaker 07

  Thank you guys for coming to see our comedy.

• 1:01:34Josh Horowitz?

  Close us out, Michelle, a food you don't get.

• 1:01:38Josh Horowitz?

  Couscous, there it is, guys.

• 1:01:43Speaker 03

  Like hairs in your hair. I can't bite into my tongue.

• 1:01:48Speaker 07

  Where'd you get that question? That's a great question.

• 1:01:50Josh Horowitz?

  Well, there's always one in the group.

• 1:01:51Speaker 07

  What about you? What about you?

• 1:01:53Josh Horowitz?

  I'm not a beats person. I can't get behind beats.

• 1:01:55Speaker 07

  Cause you're confused.

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  I love beats.

• 1:01:57Speaker 07

  Cause you think you're dying later that night, right? You think you're dying.

• 1:02:01Speaker 07

  You think you're dying later that night.

• 1:02:03Josh Horowitz?

  Right.

• 1:02:11Josh Horowitz?

  The super hot Omari Hardwick and the cast and director of Star Trek: Section 31, everybody. Spread the good word on Paramount Plus. Thank you for coming out tonight, guys.

• 1:02:30Speaker 04

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