Tesla's "Flying Car" & Espionage at OpenAI | PBD Podcast #874

Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team break down the criminal investigation into Ilhan Omar, Kimberly Guilfoyle's sudden exit as U. S. Ambassador to Greece, and reports of a secret burn book involving the Trump family. Plus, new revelations about Jack Smith's investigation collecting personal data from hundreds of thousands of Republican supporters, Trump's Iran war, the AI stock selloff, and the latest political battles ahead of the 2026 midterms. ------ 👞 Get the NEW Billionaire Suede Loafer: https://bit.ly/4ym5oRA . 👕 SHOP THE ICON COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/3TuUU3x . 👞 GET THE FLB1's: https://bit.ly/4mC4uf6 . Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: https://bit.ly/4kSVkso . Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP . 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 . 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj . 🇰 KALSHI: http://kalshi.com/pbd . SUBSCRIBE TO: @VALUETAINMENT @BetDavidConsulting @vtgenz @ValuetainmentComedy . ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright.

• 0:17Speaker 01

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signs, right here.

• 0:21Speaker 02

  You are a one of one?

• 0:22Speaker 03

  My sundries are very good.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 0:29Speaker 02

  The song.

• 0:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, Armin, shout out to Armin, but anyways, hey, you know, uh, the two teams, uh, uh, who have, uh, spent a lot of money to get the best players.

• 0:38Speaker 02

  Are we going there?

• 0:39Patrick Bet-David?

  One of them gets a bunch of Hall of Famers. The other one gets a bunch of Hall of Famers. And they both get swept in the same playoff. We're talking about the Yankees get swept by who? The Tampa Bay.

• 0:50Speaker 02

  Bay Rays.

• 0:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. And then the Dodgers yesterday get swept by who?

• 0:54Speaker 02

  Milwaukee.

• 0:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Milwaukee. And then Cleveland is up on.

• 0:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it the White? Who's Cleveland?

• 1:00Speaker 02

  Tampa.

• 1:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Tampa. Cleveland's up on them two to one. And you know what their budget is?

• 1:04Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 1:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Seventy one million dollars. You know what the Yankees budget is? Somewhere on three eighty to four hundred and one million dollars.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  You let that happen?

• 1:12Patrick Bet-David?

  We let that happen.

• 1:13Speaker 02

  Come on, it's your fault.

• 1:14Patrick Bet-David?

  It's our fault.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  It's your fault.

• 1:15Patrick Bet-David?

  We got Tom here. He, he could have gone and played yesterday.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Is this still Brian Cashman?

• 1:20Patrick Bet-David?

  We decided to go, yeah, we decided to go to a, a event for, uh, Dennis Prager. It was his first time, uh, since his injury that took place. And let me tell you, this guy spoke, he was supposed to speak for twenty, thirty minutes. He, he went for hour and a half maybe, Adam.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39Patrick Bet-David?

  And he goes for an hour. You're sitting there saying, are you flipping? The message he gave was so powerful. I'll share some of the notes at the end of the podcast about, you know, some people can use the word great. Dennis Prager is the great. We have a great time last night. Lots of value. Talked about a lot of great things, but today, you know, we have this guy today with us, which is kind of a big deal. Okay, this guy named Adam Friedland, I don't want to hype him up too much, but he's like, some GQ calls him the, the, the younger version of Jon Stewart. I don't even know if he likes that or not. He's phenomenal with interviewing. He went to GW. He just got married two weeks ago.

• 2:11Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Born on the same day as my dad, April tenth. He's one of the guys we like. So we're glad to have you on the show here today. Aries, exactly. So Adam, good to have you on.

• 2:22Speaker 02

  Guys, I, I, it is, it is an honor. I honestly, I was telling you before the show, I, your clips are at this point, almost half of my algorithm. And I'm just like fascinated by the show. Cause it, there's so much like, uh, it's so like, I, who do you break your audience down into? Like, uh, demographically?

• 2:39Patrick Bet-David?

  We, so we did a survey. It says thirty nine percent of our audience are business owners. I think eighty percent of our audience is between twenty five to forty five.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you know that a lot, like a lot of cheeky boys like me?

• 2:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Like you.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  We love this show.

• 2:52Patrick Bet-David?

  It's great.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  We love this show. What is it? We're like. I don't know. Just read, I don't know. It sounds, I think it's right.

• 2:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I like the word.

• 2:59Speaker 02

  I think it's right. I think it's right. But, uh, I, you, I think it sounds, yeah, it's accurate.

• 3:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you though.

• 3:04Speaker 02

  But like, uh, I, I just love it. Like, uh, it's, cause it's such a self-contained universe. And there's a hierarchy and you're like, uh, the, you're the capitan and you guys are capo de tutti's and like, it's incredible. Then like, there's like, there's this aspect of brotherhood and a conflict, you work it out. And like, uh, yeah, I just love it. I, I, then there's also aspects of like, uh, mental health stuff and like, which is like the same stuff that like, uh, just people that annoy me, uh, like, like woke people that annoy me, like, yeah, like I make fun of, uh, liberals who talk about, uh, imposter syndrome and I'm like, wow, they're business guys that talk about it too? It's just really, it's, uh, fascinating to me. Cause it's so foreign, cause I'm, I like, I, I, I'm terrified. I don't, I'm afraid to check my bank account.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  I had a, I yelled at my business manager that I didn't want to have a IRA. Cause I was like, I don't care about sixty, sixty five me, sixty five year old me is a loser. That, like, tell him to make his own money.

• 3:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Like that. He has no idea it's gonna be like that. He has no idea.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  You guys are like, you guys are like, uh, just, uh, the attributes you guys have are like, just so.

• 4:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, thank you for that. Listen, I, I, I tell you, we, we were, uh, having a massive, uh, strategy meeting, talking to ourselves about whether we ever wanted to have an Adam on the show, let alone two of them.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So we're making an exception today and we're gonna have a good time. So with that being said, let me get through some of the stories.

• 4:25Speaker 02

  Do you know about this guy?

• 4:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is he?

• 4:27Speaker 02

  I was watching his clip. I just want to publicly give him his flowers, cause I was watching his deaf comedy jam last night. And I, I was floored. Let me tell you about white guys. We don't know how to, I hold the mic stand, I hold the mic stand like this, cause I don't know what to do with my arm.

• 4:42Patrick Bet-David?

  He knows how to do move.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  He's so kinetic. He did, he uses the space. Unbelievable. To get the approval of like, what?

• 4:49Speaker 03

  All black crowd.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  A theory.

• 4:50Speaker 03

  Oh, deaf comedy jam, yeah.

• 4:51Speaker 02

  There was like a thousand or two thousand, like, uh, black audience members.

• 4:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  It's like a bar mitzvah. I mean, it's unbelievable.

• 4:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Black mitzvah. Vinnie's middle name is Tyrone. Vinson.

• 5:00Speaker 02

  You didn't know that?

• 5:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Tyrone Oshana.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 5:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Adam, we got a lot of stories to get to. We got a lot of stories to get to.

• 5:04Speaker 02

  That is an unusual.

• 5:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Tesla launches this car.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  It makes sense.

• 5:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Tesla launches this car and you see the video and everyone's like, there is no way this is real. This has to be AI. The first time you saw this. And then Elon's like, we needed a live crowd to be here to make this believable, because people are gonna say, this is AI. Right? You have a legendary person that said, this person is dumb. This person doesn't know what they're talking about. Make sure you send the clip to the back.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, he got it.

• 5:28Patrick Bet-David?

  We have to talk about that. Number two, AI. He'll, he'll show you. Number two is AI espionage, which is kind of weird what's going on. OpenAI employee accused of planting gay bug in company San Francisco headquarters.

• 5:39Speaker 02

  Oh no.

• 5:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And OpenAI is, uh, very concerned about what's going on there. So we'll talk about that. Eric Deeters, this guy is talking about Kimberly Guilfoyle. And all of a sudden he starts releasing saying, I gave her three hundred thousand honors. I gave her two hundred thousand honors. I gave her a hundred thousand. I had a one million dollar commitment for her to get me on Tucker Carlson, for her to get me on Fox, for her to help something with IRS, get me in front of Pam Bonny. What? Yeah, and I have all the exchange of texts. What are you talking about? She's in Greece. And then next thing you know, the new press secretary announces that, uh, we are moving on with Kimberly Guilfoyle. Guilfoyle, thank you for her service, et cetera, et cetera. Then the press secretary has her own challenge that he's dealing with. Is she an attorney? Is she a lawyer? Pepper Dine? What were you doing in China? Did you practice?

• 6:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you not practice? To the point where even Sean Hannity was pushing her hard yesterday. And you know when that happens, what that means?

• 6:31Speaker 03

  Not good.

• 6:32Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not good.

• 6:33Speaker 02

  It's bad, yeah.

• 6:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah. It, it, it means she could potentially, the over under of breaking Anthony Scaramucci's record, that's what a lot of people are talking about. I don't know about that, but we'll talk about that. And then we have, uh, a story about California DOJ suing, I'm sorry, DOJ suing California for potential voter fraud. Then we have Elon Musk, who puts a hundred and fifty eight million dollars in the race in Texas with Talarico, specifically the Senate race that we're talking about. And Talarico has been interviewed. This Catholic lady comes up to her, says some stuff. We'll show some of those clips. I think I've got those clips ready as well. Then we have the Fort Hood shooting, which Hexet said was gonna be a live stream. And now, apparently the president puts out a Truth Social saying, they're not gonna be live streaming.

• 7:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Eighty one percent of Americans didn't want the live stream. The nineteen percent who did, you wonder who they are, right? Vinnie is like, I'm.

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm that guy.

• 7:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm that guy. I'm that guy.

• 7:31Speaker 03

  We'll talk about it.

• 7:31Patrick Bet-David?

  We'll get to that.

• 7:32Speaker 02

  What are you, Oz, Ozzy? Pay per view and pay off the national debt?

• 7:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Sixty minutes, viewership is down forty one percent. Why Adam's gonna give us a breakdown on that. Shane Gillis, Shane Gillis does a, uh, uh, this is the SNL sketch, right? That he does and he.

• 7:48Speaker 03

  Monologue.

• 7:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Monologue he does and he calls these, uh.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  Gym girls.

• 7:52Speaker 02

  Girls look like, uh, uh, used to whore at, uh, at the gym.

• 7:56Patrick Bet-David?

  And people, the ladies lost their mind and they went and act the like one. Okay.

• 7:59Speaker 02

  It's stand up, Jesus Christ.

• 8:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, we're gonna play it.

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Who the fuck cares?

• 8:04Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna play it, Adam, and you can react to it.

• 8:06Speaker 02

  People act like stand up is the most important thing on earth. It's not important at all.

• 8:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, if that pissed you off.

• 8:11Speaker 02

  You guys should, I shouldn't be on the show. I don't qualify. You guys are way smarter than me. You guys are acting like we're the genius philosopher kings. We talk about boners on stage.

• 8:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:22Speaker 02

  It's, doesn't matter.

• 8:23Patrick Bet-David?

  So obviously this doesn't bother you. This story bothers you a little bit. I want to hear about it when we get into it.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  It's because of Trump.

• 8:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Hold your thought. Hold your thought. We'll get into it.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Cornell.

• 8:31Patrick Bet-David?

  We will get into it. Billy Crystal, Adam, Billy Crystal says, because of what's been happening, my friend, California fire, I'm thinking about becoming an atheist, maybe a full-blown atheist.

• 8:42Speaker 02

  Don't do it, Billy. Wait, wait, explain that to me?

• 8:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  We're gonna get into it, Adam.

• 8:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Billy Crystal.

• 8:46Speaker 02

  California fire is what?

• 8:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, he says he's having a hard time believing in.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Who's California fire? Is that a person?

• 8:53Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, the fires that happen in Palisades and everything.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Oh, makes him want to be an atheist.

• 8:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes. Makes him want to be an atheist.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  Over a year ago.

• 8:59Tom Ellsworth?

  All they burned all those

• 9:00Speaker 02

  He wasn't an atheist to begin with?

• 9:01Patrick Bet-David?

  That's exactly what I was thinking. Weren't you an atheist before?

• 9:03Speaker 02

  He's a Jewish guy. We're all atheists.

• 9:05Adam Sosnick?

  No, we're not.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  Yes, we are.

• 9:07Adam Sosnick?

  Literally not.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Except for the, except for the rabbis, none of us believe. We hate life.

• 9:13Patrick Bet-David?

  We have the Big Bang Theory guy Chuck Lorre.

• 9:15Speaker 02

  We don't believe in hell, you idiot.

• 9:17Adam Sosnick?

  You're going.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  No, Adam, I'm sorry for calling you idiot. We don't have hell in Judaism.

• 9:21Adam Sosnick?

  Whether we believe it or not, you're going.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  You don't even know what happens after you die? You haven't looked at that?

• 9:25Adam Sosnick?

  Don't find out what happens.

• 9:26Speaker 02

  The rule is, the rule is even Hitler, it's a spiritual like washing machine. We don't believe in anyone going to hell. There's something called Gehenna. You don't know?

• 9:34Adam Sosnick?

  Gehenna.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  You don't know, you don't know about the, what happens in the afterlife?

• 9:38Adam Sosnick?

  I know, Adam.

• 9:38Tom Ellsworth?

  So when it talks about, so when it talks about sheol in the Torah, what is sheol?

• 9:43Speaker 02

  Uh, Saul?

• 9:44Tom Ellsworth?

  No, sheol. It's hell.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  Hell?

• 9:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 9:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, but we don't believe.

• 9:48Adam Sosnick?

  You just got biz dogged.

• 9:49Tom Ellsworth?

  Hang on, I'm on, I'm on Amazon. I'm gonna send you a Torah. What's your address?

• 9:52Speaker 02

  Turtle, huh? You can't buy a Torah.

• 9:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me go through this Torah. I'll come to you. Hold it together. Last but not least, last but not least is Palmer Lucky. Palmer Lucky. Okay? The Oculus guy, the billionaire, young guy, 32 years old. His new company that they're selling drones and all the military equipment, Andrell, is in talks to sell insider shares. You know what? At what valuation? $90 billion valuation. And I think it's a small number. I think it's a small number. I think that company is gonna be a multi-trillionaire company. With what he's building and how war is changing, we're gonna go that direction. All right, with that being said, um, for some of you, yesterday we're at this event. This guy comes up to me, says, hey, so

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  By the way, the most comfortable loafers you'll wear, go to FLB.com if you haven't ordered them yet. I think they are in brown, stone, and navy blue. They're gorgeous. Again, go to FLB.com, place your order. With that being said, let's get into our first story. First story to get into, yesterday, Elon Musk. All these videos are going viral. They're everywhere. And they're like, nah, this is AI. My son's like, that's AI. This is AI. That's AI. I'm like, no, Tesla tweeted this. No, that's AI. And then all of a sudden, you're like, Elon is talking about this. We have to have an audience. As a matter of fact, there's a video, I don't know if you have the video or not, I'll send it to you here in a minute. Elon's like, we have to have an audience because people are not gonna believe what we're launching today. They're gonna say this is AI, and it's not. This is real.

• 12:21Patrick Bet-David?

  So this car, all of a sudden, starts flying, flipping, turning around. And for the people that have vertigo, you're watching this, saying, I would never in a million years want to do this. I just want you to show, uh, see this here. And then, by the way, did you guys see the car that he did? How fast it went 0 to 60? Did you see that clip?

• 12:36Adam Sosnick?

  One second.

• 12:37Patrick Bet-David?

  It went 0 to 16.81 second, Vinny. You have to see that. It's insane. Go ahead and play this clip. Go for it.

• 12:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this. Again, this is not AI.

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• 14:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Kayak searches and compares hundreds of travel sites. But unless I repeat the word kayak, Kayak thinks you won't remember that. So Kayak asked me to say kayak as many times as possible. Kayak. Kayak. Kayak.

• 15:02Speaker 06

  Kayak. Kayak. Kayak. Kai. Ooh.

• 15:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Ak.

• 15:07Speaker 06

  Kai, Kai, Kai, Kai, kayak. Kayak, kayak, kayak.

• 15:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Search, compare, and save on your trip. Kayak. Got that right.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  Like.

• 15:25Speaker 02

  Bro. Like, how is that? Like, how is that real?

• 15:30Adam Sosnick?

  No, I'll tell you. You're telling me that's real.

• 15:32Patrick Bet-David?

  That is real.

• 15:34Adam Sosnick?

  That just happened.

• 15:34Patrick Bet-David?

  That just happened. There's an audience there. That just, and that's one of the clips. I'm about to send a couple of other clips to the guys in the back. And the best, watch this, watch this, watch this. Go play, keep playing it. Watch this one. Oh, the music you can't do with the.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  Me and you in there are throwing up horribly.

• 15:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You know what the question Tico kept asking? Is there anybody in the car? Dylan kept asking, is there anybody in the car? I'm like, that's actually a pretty good question. If somebody was in the car. So this announcement comes out. So I'm guestimating the Tesla stock today when the market opens, if it already did. Can we look at how Tesla stock is doing, Tom?

• 16:09Speaker 02

  You think it's up?

• 16:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, I don't know. When you do a launch like that, people have to sit there and say, okay, it's up. Nothing crazy, less than a percent, but it just started. So we'll see what happens with the announcement.

• 16:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Hey, go back to five days real quick. Yep, there's the car taking off right there at the end.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 16:23Patrick Bet-David?

  So go, go to the video, go to the top left, go to the top of with Elon speaking. Is this the one where he says, we had to do this live because some of it may be AI? Go ahead, go for it. Watch this.

• 16:34Speaker 07

  Are you gonna see some crazy stuff tonight?

• 16:40Speaker 07

  Like.

• 16:43Speaker 07

  We need an audience to prove that it's not AI or SI.

• 16:49Speaker 07

  So you guys can tell people you saw it with your eyes. Because what you see with your eyes, you will not believe.

• 16:57Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not lying.

• 16:58Speaker 07

  Uh, but you're gonna see the results of what happens when you have a collaboration with the world's best car company and the world's best rocket company.

• 17:10Patrick Bet-David?

  You think he's slightly competitive?

• 17:12Speaker 07

  And this is, this is the culmination of incredible work by Tesla and SpaceX engineers working closely together to make something that you haven't seen in any movie. Uh, that's better than any James Bond car. Are you gonna see some?

• 17:31Patrick Bet-David?

  You can pause it right there. Let me show one more, and then I'm gonna come to you first, Adam.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Well, I just.

• 17:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you do me, can you do me a favor? Uh, play the clip of Elon on Rogan, the first time he's on there. Okay, this is very important. This is the first time he's on Rogan. They're having a conversation. Elon's explaining to him what he's building. Watch this clip. Go for it.

• 17:52Speaker 07

  Put rocket thrusters on it.

• 17:55Speaker 02

  For real?

• 17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  He's laughing. He's thinking he's joking.

• 17:57Speaker 07

  Nothing. Uh, high, ultra-high pressure compressed air.

• 18:01Patrick Bet-David?

  2018. Eight years ago.

• 18:02Speaker 07

  Coal gas thrusters.

• 18:04Speaker 02

  Now, do you have to have air tanks? Or are they sucking the air out of, okay?

• 18:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's an electric pump.

• 18:09Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 18:09Speaker 07

  Pump it up to like 10,000 PSI.

• 18:11Speaker 02

  And how fast are we talking?

• 18:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen.

• 18:13Speaker 02

  Zero to 60?

• 18:13Speaker 07

  How fast do you want to go? We're gonna put rocket thrusters on it.

• 18:16Patrick Bet-David?

  How fast do you want to go? Okay, so Adam, thoughts on this?

• 18:20Speaker 02

  Okay, uh, just a question. Like, do you think this is shaping up to be a race? Like, uh, like, we have to win the flying car race? Cause like, uh, we lost 4G, we lost 5G, the trains, you know? I, I don't know about business. I'm asking you guys.

• 18:36Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think, Tom? How do you, what do you think? That's a pretty good question.

• 18:38Speaker 02

  Like China, and also we have to protect this IP.

• 18:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I think that's a good question.

• 18:42Speaker 02

  China's done better at protecting their patents.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Oh, and stealing ours at the same.

• 18:45Speaker 02

  And RD, yeah, yeah.

• 18:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, what do you think?

• 18:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, I just went to look to see if I, how do you get one? And it says by invitation only. You know, there's two levels of it. Yeah, put 5,000 down, 45,000.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Invited? I gotta.

• 18:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep. I was invited for two. You got one or two?

• 19:01Tom Ellsworth?

  So basically, um, this is, this is known as a flagship car. Uh, the hypercars, the flagship cars, all the car companies do it. But this happens to be exactly what he said. The collaboration between the world's best rocket company and the world's best car company. And he's putting together here what you saw there. It worked. It was, there were, um, under the car, there were things that were sucking, and it was holding the car down to the ground. And that's when it went upside down. And then when you see that it twirls, you'll see out to the side, there's like a little puff. That is a, that is a, as he said, 10,000 PSI coal gas thruster.

• 19:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Spraying to the side, and what that does, it makes it rotate. It's the same thing that's on the side of, if you go look at the old Apollo command module, these are the same things that's on the side of the space shuttle, which are these little jets on the side that cause things to turn. And so, everything you saw here is real. I completely understood it. Yeah, you look over there on the top left picture. Top left picture, you see those little square jets on the side? There's one pointing north, south, east, west there, on the side of them. That's just what he did on a friggin'. Car on earth. And so this is like a hypercar flagship showing people it goes up the ramp sucks itself to the ceiling, jumps off, the thruster fires, rotates it around, then the thrusters fire down. The same way that they land the rocket by firing it in reverse and it slows down.

• 20:26Speaker 03

  Retro propulsive rockets that he has.

• 20:28Tom Ellsworth?

  The big metal topsticks come out and grab it.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:31Tom Ellsworth?

  It's just, it's the same principle. What you saw him returning to earth with the rocket.

• 20:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Pat returns that car to the ground.

• 20:37Speaker 03

  But my, but my question is this.

• 20:39Tom Ellsworth?

  This is, this is his hypercar. He's got five aces.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 20:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Five.

• 20:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Would you buy one?

• 20:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Would I buy one? Absolutely.

• 20:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you ever bought a Tesla before?

• 20:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, no, I haven't.

• 20:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you ever bought a Tesla before?

• 20:50Tom Ellsworth?

  No.

• 20:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. Obviously, I'm not asking.

• 20:52Tom Ellsworth?

  But I'm leaning towards it. I'm leaning towards it.

• 20:54Patrick Bet-David?

  But hear me out. Would this make you want to buy one? I've never owned a Tesla before in my life.

• 20:59Speaker 03

  But, but.

• 21:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Would this make you say, I want to buy one of these cars?

• 21:02Speaker 03

  It's a supercar. It looks, it looks.

• 21:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it. It's just, I would.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  Yeah. But guys, here's my question though.

• 21:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Not the flying part. We're not gonna fly it. It's ridiculous.

• 21:09Speaker 03

  Well, that, that's the question I want to ask. That's the question I want to ask. Was this demonstration just to kind of show the car? But do all the, cause it was.

• 21:16Tom Ellsworth?

  He said he doesn't know. He doesn't know if he could do it actually.

• 21:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that's, that's all I'm saying is I think this was just a spectacle event to show like, look how cool this is to bring eyeballs to the car. Cause a car is gonna go 368 miles an hour. Which by the way, I don't know if you've been in one of these cars. Tom put me one of the, uh.

• 21:33Tom Ellsworth?

  It's too dangerous. It's scary.

• 21:34Speaker 03

  You're gonna snap your neck every single time. I think this was a publicity thing, which I love for the vehicle. I don't think it's gonna do that. It's not gonna flip around.

• 21:41Speaker 02

  But, but, but aren't we like, what do you make of the fact that like we, from what I understand, you guys are businessmen, so you know, like, 64 of I think 72, like crucial, uh, like, uh, races, uh, China has the advantage in. We only have, uh, eight, I believe, out of those, uh, 72. Like, uh, do you think that this is like a crucial kind of, uh, thing that we need to kind of, cause in R and D, it feels like we're falling way back. Solar, we lost. The trains they've built, uh, like, like, uh, supersonic trains, thousands of miles of them. California can't bu- uh, build like a hundred feet of it.

• 22:18Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, we know. Gavin knows some screwed that up for us.

• 22:20Speaker 02

  Well, no, it's all the municipalities have, they, every municipality, that's why Amtrak can't, we don't have high speed rail. It's like, you have to get approval each time you go to a, a new county or new municipality. It's just like, it's impossible.

• 22:33Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think? Do, do you think it is that important to have flying cars? You think that's a race that's important to win?

• 22:38Speaker 02

  I, I don't know. I don't, now I'm asking you guys. I don't see.

• 22:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm asking you. I want to know what you, because you're asking a very good question.

• 22:43Speaker 02

  I think, I don't know. Elon Musk is smarter than me. He has a trillion dollars.

• 22:49Patrick Bet-David?

  I'll ask the rest of you guys. Do you, do you, do you think it's a big deal to be the first to come up with the flying cars?

• 22:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Versus China, you mean?

• 22:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, versus anybody.

• 23:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, look, I'll just back up a second and I'm gonna answer your question. We talk about having a long-term vision. Clearly Elon Musk has a long-term vision. Everything I'm thinking about these flying cars, I'm just thinking of the movie Back to the Future. Flying cars, flying hoverboards. This is what's going on here. He has a long-term vision. Connor said something earlier. He goes, anything you see Elon Musk do, equate to this one thing. Is this gonna work on Mars?

• 23:23Speaker 03

  Mars.

• 23:23Tom Ellsworth?

  And that's basically what he's thinking. There's one part in, in the movie Back to the Future. When he gets on there and he's doing the, um, Johnny be good, da, da, da, da, da, da, da. And the crowd is like shocked. And they go, he goes, listen, you guys might not be ready for this.

• 23:37Speaker 02

  But your kids are gonna love it.

• 23:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah. And that's the way I work at Elon. We might not understand what he's doing this year, this decade. But in 50 years from now, a hundred years from now, when Elon's not here and his kids are running the planet potentially, all million of them. They're gonna say, thank God dad did this and built all this. Now I'll say this about China. As much, it seems like you're maybe worried about China and that's fine, but there's a lot of metrics where we're kicking their ass. It seems like you're only focusing on where they're.

• 24:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, Tesla over in China and then they, they just sold his IP. So like.

• 24:12Tom Ellsworth?

  That's what China do.

• 24:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. And now they are beating us in battery technology. They have longer lasting.

• 24:16Tom Ellsworth?

  But there's a lot of things that we're beating them in. It doesn't seem like you're focusing on that at all.

• 24:20Speaker 02

  Uh, we lost 4G, we lost 5G.

• 24:22Tom Ellsworth?

  You're only focusing on the losses. We have a lot of W's.

• 24:24Speaker 02

  Uh, I, it looks like it's what, 64 out of, uh, 72. I mean, like it's, it's.

• 24:29Tom Ellsworth?

  You just made those numbers up.

• 24:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, I mean, it's like according, uh, what is it?

• 24:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Our GDP, our, our national strength, our national security. There are communist 140 dictatorship.

• 24:38Speaker 02

  Well, that, okay. So think of it this way. I'm not advocating for it, but like if you get, uh, a, a grant to do research in America, right? Um, if your research, uh, screws up, you lose your grant. In a centralized economy, uh, they have an advantage because they could screw up 25 times and then on the 26th time, get it right. So I'm just saying that there's an inherent in terms of.

• 25:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Wait, they have students in our grant program that are stealing the information, sending it back there.

• 25:04Speaker 02

  And they have girls that are gonna sleep with OpenAI engineers. They send over sexy girls.

• 25:09Tom Ellsworth?

  I see the point you're making and you're pointing out that, oh, we're losing all these races according to the list.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Losing. I'm, I'm saying it's, it's trending the other way.

• 25:15Tom Ellsworth?

  You said that. You said there were certain ones of them that we lost.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  That's what, that's what I read. I'm asking you guys. Yeah.

• 25:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, let me ask you. How many of those do you think are being compromised by spies? And things that have infiltrated the college system, that have infiltrated the grant system? And so to say China is beating us here, here, here, here, and here. Yeah, some of the, some of them they are. But some of them, they're over here stealing. And that's how it's going back the other way.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  That's what happened with Tesla. That's exactly, right? Like Elon went over to China, then they took his IP.

• 25:44Tom Ellsworth?

  That's, that's, that's exactly, that's exactly right.

• 25:46Speaker 02

  And I got a great pair of Jordans from them also.

• 25:48Speaker 03

  And so I just, I saw this article.

• 25:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Are they the ones with the stitching that doesn't match? Cause those are Vietnam.

• 25:53Speaker 02

  No, no, they, they have, they have great ones.

• 25:54Speaker 03

  Until the Tesla Rolster, there's only one car in the flying car market, uh, and this is.

• 25:59Speaker 02

  Gotta be China on this.

• 26:00Speaker 03

  Well, look, look at this car, Pat. This is, this is Alef welcomes Tesla to the electric flying car race by flying over a Rolster video.

• 26:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is this?

• 26:08Speaker 03

  This is, um, Alef.

• 26:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Where's the?

• 26:11Speaker 03

  A L E F. I think this is ours. This is, this is American. Cause I asked, uh, I asked Chad GBT, who's winning the race? Who's leading the car? It's, and they said, you said a good thing, Adam. It's us. It's us in China.

• 26:21Patrick Bet-David?

  That is the ugliest car of my life.

• 26:24Tom Ellsworth?

  By the way, by the way, hang on guys, guys, guys. That's not a flying, Pat, that's not a flying car. That's a hovercraft.

• 26:30Speaker 02

  I know all about this show.

• 26:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Hang on, you know this. There's hover, there's hovercrafts. See it blowing underneath? Hovercrafts that will take you across the English Channel right now. Big hovercraft.

• 26:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me, let me, let me show you, let me show you this.

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Like a, like a foil.

• 26:42Patrick Bet-David?

  If the, if there is a conversation about innovation of what's going on.

• 26:46Speaker 02

  66 out of 74. Sorry, I missed, I, yeah, I didn't say the right number.

• 26:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's the part to look at.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  Oh, now it's five. It's not eight.

• 26:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, let me, Adam, Adam, hang tight, buddy. Hang tight. I'm here. So from 2003 to 2007, China led according to this one report. On different, uh, items statistically in the area of technology, according to an Australian independent strategic policy think tank.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:09Patrick Bet-David?

  China led in three, US led in 60, 03 to 07. Then 19 to 23, China led in 57, US led in seven. And then today, uh, the latest number is, what does it have here? 66 out of 74 and then even 69 out of 74.

• 27:25Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 27:26Patrick Bet-David?

  The latest data. And you look at the China high-speed train versus California, China, they have a 50,400 kilometers, US has zero. And California, one that they approved in 2008 and Newsom said he was gonna build it. I don't know how much money they gave him. 21 billion dollars? No, much more than that. Nothing ended up happening there in the state of California.

• 27:44Speaker 02

  China could just destroy your farm, right? Like they could eminent domain anything, right?

• 27:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 27:49Speaker 02

  You can't do it in, so, but, but you can't do it in California.

• 27:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Land in Minnesota with pathogens to destroy your crops.

• 27:55Speaker 02

  Wait, no, I'm just saying if they could build thousands of miles of, uh, train tracks, we have the technology, but they could just like, like, destroy, like.

• 28:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam, it sounds like you want to move to China.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  I'm just saying these are their inherent, this is why they've developed so fast.

• 28:08Tom Ellsworth?

  You love China.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  I'm saying inherently their system has made them develop faster because they, they don't have to adhere to our laws.

• 28:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Why do you hate America?

• 28:15Speaker 03

  That doesn't have elections.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  I don't hate America. I'm just looking at the data, right? I want America to win. I love America. It's the best country in the world. What do you mean? What do you think that means I hate America? I'm just saying, look at the scoreboard and we gotta get, we gotta get, bring our lead back.

• 28:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Sure.

• 28:29Speaker 02

  Right? We can't ignore the scoreboard. We can't be down to 100 zero and say we're winning. Right? It's like.

• 28:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Go ahead, Pat.

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 28:37Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no. The, the, by the way, this is actually very good point. You have to think about that. To me, when the, it is a, it is a real thing when you're competing, you have to sit there and think about innovation being better. And then knowing the other part that, Adam, I had a guy on the podcast a couple of weeks ago, the guy that tweeted about Anthropic. I'm an Anthropic employee. I quit today. I don't know if you remember that guy, Jacob Coxon. He was here a few weeks ago and he said, at Tesla, no Chinese national works at Tesla. You simply cannot.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  He said, but at Anthropic and at OpenAI, when he worked at both places, there are a ton of Chinese nationals that work there. So guess what's one of the things they do when they work there?

• 29:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever they learned from the interior, you know, what the company's doing, they simply send it back over to China. And matter of fact, there's a story that came up and maybe we'll just go to the story next, cause it kind of goes with this.

• 29:26Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:26Patrick Bet-David?

  OpenAI employee accused of planting a bug in company San Francisco headquarters. Uh, this is on page 10, if you guys want to go to it.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Um.

• 29:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you imagine you're working at a company like this and they're putting a bug in the office?

• 29:42Tom Ellsworth?

  I think they

• 29:42Patrick Bet-David?

  An OpenAI engineer has been fired and hit with federal charges accusing him planting a listening device in an executive conference room at the tech giant San Francisco headquarters.

• 29:51Tom Ellsworth?

  I like this.

• 29:52Patrick Bet-David?

  OpenAI said it turned its artificial intelligence models into sleuths to identify thirty-five-year-old Abdulham Al Fozan, a Saudi national. We used our models to understand the device, where it had come from, identifying that such a specific employee had planted a few days earlier. The company's FBI director, Cash Patel, alleged Al Fozan was attempting to secretly capture sensitive communication about the company's superintelligence technology. Personnel first discovered the device wrapped in toilet paper. On September thirtieth, a hidden camera later captured Al Fozan checking behind the television, where it was planted, the same day he allegedly left a bag in a printer room containing another recording device. When he returned asking about the missing items, he did not mention it.

• 30:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Al Fozan was arrested on October night and did not enter a plea. If convicted, he faces a maximum of five, uh, five years in prison and $250,000 in fine. OpenAI said it has no indicators. He assessed he accessed or infiltrated models, ways, source code, or customer data. Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 30:53Tom Ellsworth?

  The old wrapped in the toilet paper trick.

• 30:55Speaker 02

  The old banana in the tailpipe.

• 30:57Tom Ellsworth?

  It's so lo-fi. I'm not gonna pop in a banana in the tailpipe trick. Um, this is showing you how, how deep the espionage is just gonna go. That's all it's showing you, very simply, is that people can be paid and you look at the level of it. And if anybody doesn't think that certain models and certain things that AI is doing, especially the frontier models, is not a national security threat, they're not paying attention. And when I say national security threat, means if, if these things are this important, why aren't we doing, as Palmer Lucky has talked about, is quote, "protecting the hell out of the stuff we're doing"? He's not just trying to do, outdo the defense industry. He's trying to protect what he's doing from other defense contractors and from bad people around the world.

• 31:42Tom Ellsworth?

  So if this is what's going on, and I, yesterday, I did a couple of projects with Fable. It's frickin' crazy, the stuff that's in there. And it remembered, like, four different projects I did previously, and it said, "Would you like to connect the findings that we had, these other two things that you did, approximately two months, three weeks, fourteen days, and ten seconds ago"? And I'm like, "Oh, crap. Yes, as a matter of fact, I would." And it's in there. I think this is dangerous, and I think it shows that the frontier model guys need to step up their game on protecting their own internal staff and, and organizations. Pharmaceuticals-

• 32:19Speaker 02

  Saudi?

• 32:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Saudis. Pharmaceuticals and defense contractors, Pat, have to go to a lot of extents. Where is the IT oversight? Where, where is the census on this stuff? You know, that's, this is bad.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  Is it common for the federal government, like, for our tax dollars, to protect, uh, private companies? Is that, does that happen? I'm just asking.

• 32:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Meaning what? Meaning for-

• 32:41Speaker 02

  Like, if we have to, like, we have to have troops outside of OpenAI, it's their, they gotta get their shit together.

• 32:47Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're saying the, the, Cash Patel has no business in this is what you're saying?

• 32:51Speaker 02

  I don't know, I don't know if there's a precedent for that.

• 32:54Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I, I think there is, because if it's, if you're leaking info, if you're leaking info to somebody else within a company, that itself is a crime in America. That you're gonna go to the government and say, "Hey, this is what one of our guys is doing." So that part, you're protected as a company.

• 33:08Speaker 02

  From the government or from a private, uh, company, right?

• 33:11Patrick Bet-David?

  No, it's a law. You keep, like, if you, if you worked here, and you, and I find out, Adam, you came in here and you put a camera and you left, and we recorded you putting that camera there, you're gonna get arrested.

• 33:22Speaker 02

  Really?

• 33:23Patrick Bet-David?

  If you do. You, you wanna try it out?

• 33:25Speaker 02

  I'm an idiot, I don't know.

• 33:26Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, you're gonna get arrested. So there's compliance, there's security.

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 33:29Patrick Bet-David?

  There's, there's compliance protection. But, but to me, Tom, you know, with the question Adam is asking, how do you protect against it?

• 33:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, here it is.

• 33:37Speaker 02

  You know, they're sending sexy girls to SF. They, they had a meeting, uh, at OpenAI to, like, they're, like, be careful of, like, sexy Chinese girls. I swear to God, because they think-

• 33:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, I believe it.

• 33:47Speaker 02

  They're gonna honeypot the engineers. And these guys are, these are the biggest nerds in the world.

• 33:52Tom Ellsworth?

  That's true.

• 33:52Speaker 02

  They're gonna, they're gonna, these guys are, were screwed. These guys are desperate.

• 33:57Tom Ellsworth?

  And after four minutes, they're like, "Wow, I'm doing great with this girl."

• 34:01Speaker 02

  They're like, "How do you question?"

• 34:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Girls, your question. Adam, let's say you and I did a Palmer Lucky and we built a defense company. There are audits. The Defense Department will come in, audits on IT, audits on a lot of things. So they do not pay to protect us, but if we're building sensitive stuff like missile guidance technology and stuff that we really don't want bad guys to get, we would have all kinds of audits and people in our place. But they come and go on an audit. They don't provide federal dollars-

• 34:27Speaker 02

  But that's a defense contract. This is, this is a private company.

• 34:31Tom Ellsworth?

  I think you, you-

• 34:32Speaker 02

  OpenAI is a private company, though.

• 34:34Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, I'm not arguing with you. I'm answering your question. You said, "Hey, has the federal government ever, you know, well, the answer is, if this is declared important, the federal government need-"

• 34:44Speaker 02

  But that's, that's government expenditure, though, right? So that's why they're auditing it. Why, like, honestly, like, like, they need to get their shit together.

• 34:53Tom Ellsworth?

  But the government is using these models.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Well, honestly, first of all, I think this whole thing is terrifying, and the, the amount of people that have control over it, uh, being like four people is terrifying. But I don't think that we should work for these companies. I think these companies need to protect their own, uh, interests. I don't know. Call me a libertarian.

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• 37:31Tom Ellsworth?

  He's actually asking, uh, asking some decent questions. To me, this is actually a bigger story that we're even letting on, because it's like a multifaceted story here. There, there's a couple different things here. There's an H1B situation going on here. This is a Saudi national. If you told me there was intellectual property theft going on, I, first thing I'd be thinking is China. Now we're, now Saudi's trying to do something?

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Nine eleven.

• 37:51Tom Ellsworth?

  It's a Saudi national. So there's intellectual property, IP theft, there's potentially some inten, uh, intellectual terrorism going on here with Saudi, national security. If you were to tell me that this company was hiring, did you say that was OpenAI or would you say was, uh, the anthropic that is actively hiring Chinese nationals?

• 38:10Patrick Bet-David?

  OpenAI and-

• 38:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, so what are you doing hiring these people?

• 38:14Speaker 02

  Wait, so it's a multi-

• 38:15Tom Ellsworth?

  So it's a multifaceted conversation about H1B. Why are you hiring these people? Bring them into the country when you know-

• 38:21Speaker 02

  I know.

• 38:21Tom Ellsworth?

  That they're gonna steal their-

• 38:22Speaker 02

  They're trying to corner the market, right?

• 38:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you this question.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  They're trying to have only three companies.

• 38:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, let me ask you this question. And, and by the way, a part of that, of them wanting to-

• 38:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Thrilling.

• 38:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Use regulation to not allow other people to come compete with them, so they can have a monopoly.

• 38:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 38:38Patrick Bet-David?

  A form of that, this has been going on for a long time. So when you're talking about eliminating barrier, there's a part there. However, you know, uh, when, when you think about this, can you go back to that story of the, the one that Adam brought up, the, the New York Post story about the honeypot story? Can you go to that? Look at this. OpenAI's blunt warning to employees about preserving company secrets. If you're getting hit on, it's probably a-

• 39:01Tom Ellsworth?

  You're a nerd, bro. Nobody's hitting you.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  They've been working their whole life to be millionaires, and now they can't even get laid.

• 39:06Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's the question. So here's a question for you. The question is the following. Can you imagine a guy say, "Hey, you're not as handsome as you think you're. If a girl says you're hot, she's lying to you. You're ugly. Don't believe it, right?"

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Vinny, if Pat told you that you can't get laid, would you listen to him?

• 39:20Patrick Bet-David?

  No, he hasn't had that problem his entire life. He's kinda gotten overlaid. We need to-

• 39:25Speaker 02

  Wait, I'm just saying-

• 39:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Get him to slow down a little bit.

• 39:27Speaker 02

  I can't.

• 39:27Patrick Bet-David?

  But, uh, but stay-

• 39:29Speaker 02

  We know he's a Miami boy.

• 39:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Stay with me here. Stay with me here.

• 39:31Speaker 02

  Is he, is he?

• 39:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Stay with me here. So when you, when you think about this, Tom, here's the question. This is the question. Do we have a history of doing that? Does America have a history of sending spies to Russia or Iran or China? Do we have a history of doing what these guys are doing to us?

• 39:50Tom Ellsworth?

  I think all of the Western, I think if you were to look at the KGB, the CIA, MI6, and our friends in Israel.

• 39:58Speaker 02

  Mossad.

• 39:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Mossad, you know what? You are going to find the, the spy trickery, dating, sex scandal leaderboard. You're gonna find it, Pat.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  Now I'm nervous.

• 40:11Tom Ellsworth?

  You're gonna have, yeah, because to the point, they have more sophisticated ways they go after it. Very sophisticated. It is not as simple.

• 40:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you saying this because it's factual or it's opinion? Like, is there historic?

• 40:24Tom Ellsworth?

  No, I mean, we can go look at.

• 40:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it a different perspective? Is MI6, like, you think about it?

• 40:29Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm saying factual. Go look at, go look at sexual compromises, dating compromises, world spy organizations like CIA, and look at them. You're gonna find a list of them. You're gonna find examples of what happened here and then things and divorced their wife and had a second thing. You're gonna find them all up there and it was MI6 spying on us, spying on Israel.

• 40:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it. So Martha Peterson, American spy, female spy in Moscow in the 70s. She was one of the first female case officers to operate behind the iron curtain. She worked in Moscow handling a Soviet diplomatic source who supplied American intelligence.

• 41:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Look at the CIA.

• 41:05Patrick Bet-David?

  But Peterson was not a documented honey trap operative. So what I'm trying to find that is, have we used a honey trap operative ourselves?

• 41:13Tom Ellsworth?

  I think so. Take a look, CIA. Hang on, Adam, we have it right here. Look at it. Historically, has you, the CIA has utilized operation involving seduction and a honey trap such as Operation Midnight Climax.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 41:27Patrick Bet-David?

  50s and 60s.

• 41:27Tom Ellsworth?

  Wow, you would think the CIA would be a little bit more.

• 41:30Patrick Bet-David?

  LST. But, but when is the last time US was documented for doing this? This is 50, 60, 70s. When is the last time?

• 41:38Speaker 02

  They're not documented.

• 41:39Tom Ellsworth?

  You were asking if we ever did it. The answer is yes. And now the Chinese are doing it over in, in San Francisco. A beautiful Chinese girl comes up to, do you code Python or do you have a Python? It's like, oh my God, here we go.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  Tom, you're going blue. He's working blue.

• 41:55Patrick Bet-David?

  You've got a guy in his 30s here, you're talking like that in front of a young man.

• 41:59Tom Ellsworth?

  You've got one woman for life. Have a respect.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  Free speech, uh, can tell it like it is.

• 42:02Adam Sosnick?

  But Pat, can I, can I make a different distinction here?

• 42:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, go for it.

• 42:05Adam Sosnick?

  Because this is what it seems. There's a difference between a spy and clandestine versus employees. Like, you don't go to China and see some guy named Bill, like, hey, what's going on? Like, you know, you don't go to Iran and see Tiron, your friend that's serving in the military or the Mossad. The difference is, we're actually hiring companies, when I say we, companies in, in San Francisco or wherever, Silicon Valley, are hiring these foreign nationals to come in and inviting them to steal stuff. I, I guarantee you, if you go to a Chinese company, or a Iranian company, or a Russian company, or North Korean company, you're not seeing Rick from accounting there. So there's a difference here. They're coming into America, working in our companies. We're infiltrating potentially, but like clandestine.

• 42:49Adam Sosnick?

  But we're not, I mean, hired in their companies, though. It's a big difference.

• 42:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Have there, has there been a single law? Congressman from California that tried to run for governor that resigned in disgrace because of Fang Fang. So, I mean.

• 43:01Adam Sosnick?

  Right, but Fang Fang was a spy. She wasn't working for a company, was she?

• 43:05Speaker 02

  Has there been a significant piece of legislation to, uh, like, regulate this industry? One.

• 43:13Adam Sosnick?

  What they're working on.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  I can't think of one.

• 43:15Patrick Bet-David?

  What, what would you want to see? What would you want to see?

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Maybe we should make them vet foreign national, like, uh, their employees.

• 43:21Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I, I'm fully with that one. I, I do think.

• 43:24Speaker 02

  This is reckless.

• 43:25Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I, I'm fully with that. A part, a part of me, the more I was talking to the guy, Jacob Cox, and the more he was telling me, he says, he says, this is what he said, he says, these guys are my friends. He says, I'm uncomfortable saying this, they're gonna get upset at me. I said, what do you think needs to happen to them? He flat out said, they can't work for these companies. Their loyalty is not to America. Their loyalty is to somebody else.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Who are his friends? The foreign nationals?

• 43:48Patrick Bet-David?

  The, the, the foreign nationals are his friends. These are people you're going on lunch with, like, these are people.

• 43:51Speaker 02

  Didn't he work there for like two weeks?

• 43:52Patrick Bet-David?

  No, he worked at there for two weeks, but he was at OpenAI for three years. Three years, you're having lunch with these people. So, so.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  So why do you think they're hired, though?

• 43:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Do, do you know, why do you think who's hired?

• 44:01Speaker 02

  Because they're better at computers.

• 44:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it, yeah.

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Because we suck at teaching computers to our guys, so they get people from China.

• 44:07Patrick Bet-David?

  So, by the way.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  Probably getting cheaper.

• 44:09Patrick Bet-David?

  FYI, that is a part of the argument.

• 44:11Speaker 02

  That's why they're getting hired, though, right?

• 44:13Patrick Bet-David?

  That is a part of the argument that Elon makes. Because for Elon, Elon's got a position on this that's a little bit controversial with others.

• 44:19Tom Ellsworth?

  He's born in South Africa.

• 44:20Patrick Bet-David?

  I understand that. What I'm saying to you is, for Elon, he's saying the level of advancement of some of these people, we're not producing in America as fast as some other places, so I don't mind hiring them. That's a controversial position for some of the people. But Elon privately wants to be able to hire some of these brains to, to work for the company. Now, at SpaceX, from my understanding, Chinese nationals cannot work at SpaceX. Because apparently, and if you can check this, because apparently the government, once you take money, Tesla, you know, SpaceX, then a Chinese national cannot work there. If we do have some there, that's a big threat. So then, this goes down to the next conversation. This isn't even one of the stories.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  If there was a foreign national that was way better at his job than an American, they were both interviewing with you, you're CEO, what do you do?

• 45:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, okay, let's process it, let's go through. So, Adam, here's, here's how I would process it.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Is, I joined the US Army, okay? I was in the Army. Uh, but I was born and raised in Iran.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay? So if I was, uh, uh, joined the Army, what level of secret clearance would you give me day one?

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Uh, I, I don't know about anything.

• 45:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, just think, just be logic, don't worry about it, you don't know anything.

• 45:29Speaker 02

  Uh, low, low, low.

• 45:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Low, why would you give me low?

• 45:32Speaker 02

  Uh, because why, you want to be the Army of America?

• 45:35Patrick Bet-David?

  I was in the US Army.

• 45:35Speaker 02

  You're such a suck up, dude.

• 45:36Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but, but the point is, you logically wouldn't give me a high level clearance for someone that was born in Iran, okay? That's a logical move.

• 45:46Tom Ellsworth?

  And what year did you join the Army? Put it in perspective.

• 45:48Patrick Bet-David?

  1997.

• 45:49Speaker 02

  Okay, between, uh, the first and second Iraq wars.

• 45:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, so, so when you go in, you, you have to, like, even when I hire somebody in the company right now, if somebody comes, I'm like, let's just say I recruit you from an enemy that hates us. We have a massive, uh, you know, feud between the two of us, but you were the Director of Finance. And you come to me, and let's just say you were married to the guy's daughter, and it was a divorce.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  The boss.

• 46:11Patrick Bet-David?

  The boss.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:12Patrick Bet-David?

  You come to us, maybe at the beginning, we have to be careful what kind of intel we're sharing with you.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So I wonder, I'm sure these companies have certain level of security on what they're doing, but Tom, when you.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  Basically, do you want the guy that is better at his job or not? Because I hear the Indian guys work, work way harder at, at the offices.

• 46:31Patrick Bet-David?

  If you ask me, if you ask me for what types of businesses?

• 46:34Speaker 02

  For, for STEM careers, science, technology, engineering, mathematics. Because they're way ahead of us education wise.

• 46:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I don't know. It limits a number of amount that you do is fine. Like, if you limit, not an unlimited supply, because we gotta get our guys to get advanced and we gotta get our jobs to stay here where our kids are getting better at these games, getting, getting better at these jobs. But a part of level of, uh, uh, access to information, there's no way in the world you're getting a high level of access. I don't know what the level of access is when some of these guys are getting hired at these companies. And these companies that have this type of technology, like, think about it. What companies, Tom, what companies, this is to all of you, what companies shouldn't allow Chinese nationals and Saudi nationals to work for them? Industry, be specific, industry in America.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  Anything with vaccine.

• 47:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Security.

• 47:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you're saying vaccine?

• 47:24Speaker 02

  Anything with, has to do with medical, especially with COVID, I don't want Chinese.

• 47:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, what else? So let's just say that's your opinion, that's one, what else?

• 47:31Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I'm talking about high-end defense.

• 47:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, I'm with you there. Like, by the way, Palmer Lucky's company, Anduril. I don't want any Chinese nationals working for Anduril, and let's go to that company anyway.

• 47:42Speaker 02

  What do they make?

• 47:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let's get into it, let's get into it. So Palmer Lucky's company, this is a guy that built Oculus, sells Oculus, worth a couple billion dollars, 32 years old, young guy, decides to start a military company, building drones. And you're like, wait, what? What is this guy doing, building military equipment? And he, he does an interview with a video, showing the guys what they're building. This is a drone, this is a this, this is a that, and everybody is shell shocked that the guy's building something like this. Let me get to the story. Anduril is in talks to sell insider shares. At $90 billion valuation, Andoril Industries is allowing employees to sell shares as part

• 48:25Patrick Bet-David?

  of a tender that stands to value the defense technology startup at roughly $90 billion. According to people familiar with the situation, the tender would be giving employees the chance to sell shares at 9480 each with overall size of the company capped at $1.3 billion. It opened on October 13 and is set to close November 9. The representative for Andoril declined to comment on it. Andoril was founded in 2017 by the billionaire Palmer Lucky and supplies a range of AI-powered products for defense, including unmanned fighter aircraft and autonomy software surveillance tool and augmented reality helmets for the military, which is sick what he's doing with that. That's the picture of one of the...

• 49:03Speaker 02

  What did we do?

• 49:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me read this. Its valuation doubled to $61 billion in May funding round. The company counts the US Defense Department among its largest customers, generated $2.2 billion in revenue. So, Tom, Andoril, $90 billion valuation, is it low? Is it high? Is it a dumb move if you're able to get in there, put $100,000, should somebody entertain it? And would you allow a Chinese national to work for a company like this?

• 49:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Three questions in order. Number one, I think this is a low valuation. This is a, basically a venture class valuation. And what they're doing is there's some people at the company, they, maybe they've been there a few years, and they want to take a little bit of money off the table. Maybe they want to try and buy a house, maybe they want to pay off student loans, whatever it is, Pat. They want to take a little liquidity off. And so, people buy the insider shares. What does that mean? Say, hey, Vinny, you said you wanted to sell some, you've got 100,000 shares, would you like to sell 10,000 shares at 20 bucks a share? That's 200 grand. Would you like to do that? Yeah, I'd like to do that. Okay, great. Then you go to the company that buys those, Pat, so the company doesn't get diluted. It's just an outsider that now owns some of those shares. So I

• 50:12Tom Ellsworth?

  think that valuation, even though in the venture world, that's usually a forward speculative, forward valuation, I think that's a little low compared to where they're going and the technology they're showing. So that's number one. Number two, should Chinese nationals be allowed to work there? Hell no. They're working on stuff that is now up at tier one of the level of weapons that we have up there. Well, why do you want to get a hold of one of my F-35 planes? Why do you want to get a hold of a stealth fighter, even if it's at the bottom of the ocean because it crashed off San Diego? One did. And they were trying to go down and get it. Why did the Chinese want to get it? Because you want to take it home, not copy it. You want to build defense against it. What can this do? Where do I

• 50:53Tom Ellsworth?

  have to go to be better? So I don't want any Chinese nationals working there. So that was your second question. And my third question that I have is just, you know, is our government, Pat, moving fast enough for the high-speed venture class speed of a guy like Palmer Lucky so that we can be reaching out and encouraging them to protect what they're building for?

• 51:15Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean by that? Go a little bit deeper on that. Is our government working fast enough? What does that mean?

• 51:19Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, Palmer Lucky's working so fast and startups are working so fast. Is our government working at that same venture?

• 51:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That's never gonna happen.

• 51:27Tom Ellsworth?

  It's never. So our government is always going to be a step behind...

• 51:31Patrick Bet-David?

  But what's your point, though? What are you going with that?

• 51:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, that means whoever is faster than that can, has a crevice to ledge and exploit.

• 51:40Speaker 02

  But what are these things for? Like, are they for like, we give them to Ukraine? I mean, like, what are the drones for?

• 51:50Patrick Bet-David?

  You didn't hear about the operation that US had with Ukraine on August 15?

• 51:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 51:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you hear about that?

• 51:55Speaker 02

  So, but like, what I'm saying is...

• 51:56Patrick Bet-David?

  But did you hear about that?

• 51:57Speaker 02

  What I'm saying is this, is like, we have a massive industry in America that requires...

• 52:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, did you hear about the operation?

• 52:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course, of course.

• 52:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So what happened at the operation?

• 52:03Speaker 02

  That they all crashed.

• 52:05Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no. There was a test that US did against Ukraine on drones, and guess who won the exercise?

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Oh, Ukraine did.

• 52:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Ukraine won the exercise. So US is like...

• 52:15Speaker 02

  But when are we gonna fight? Like, my question is this, it just seems like it's a stimulus into a weak economy.

• 52:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait, let me, so you're not worried about drones?

• 52:24Speaker 02

  No, I really think that this is just like not... Defense spending is such a massive racket. He said the F-35, it's like every single aviation company just got billions of dollars and it crashed for years. I mean, like, these companies require conflicts to be happening in order to make money.

• 52:42Patrick Bet-David?

  They do, and that's the issue with...

• 52:43Speaker 02

  And that's like, if you look at Israel, Ukraine, like, we left Afghanistan, and like, how are these companies gonna make money? People talk like we gave Israel $23 billion. We gave Boeing, Lockheed, we gave American companies...

• 52:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Money went to them.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  And then they, and then they sent them over to... So, just the question is, is like, is that, does that benefit the American people? No.

• 53:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So pause, pause right there. Let me ask you a question.

• 53:07Speaker 02

  It benefits this weird guy in a Hawaiian shirt, but like, I'm like...

• 53:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you, are you from the mindset...

• 53:11Speaker 02

  The economy's bad and people aren't happy.

• 53:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, are you of the mindset of we shouldn't invest in military companies to prevent against something in the future that happens?

• 53:20Speaker 02

  It's half of what we invested.

• 53:22Patrick Bet-David?

  I didn't ask you whether we are or not. I'm asking you, should we or should we not? That's a different question.

• 53:27Speaker 02

  Should we defund the military?

• 53:28Patrick Bet-David?

  No, not defund the military. That's not what I'm saying.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  What does that mean?

• 53:30Patrick Bet-David?

  You're criticizing what's the point of building these military equipment. I'm asking you, if you were somebody that's running, would you be as interested in strengthening our military? Yes or no?

• 53:41Speaker 02

  I think if you're running on the strength of this, it doesn't earn votes. I think it's bad politics.

• 53:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me why. No, forget about votes.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  Because in a material way, it doesn't improve people's lives.

• 53:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm not asking you about votes. Forget about votes for a second.

• 53:53Speaker 02

  But that's their politicians. They have to.

• 53:54Patrick Bet-David?

  But that's not what I'm asking you. This is not about votes. None of us here are running for anything.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  No, it's about people that lobby you.

• 53:59Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'm asking you is, if you had a choice, and you're wondering about the security, would you see benefit in us advancing our military with something like this that Palmer Lucky is doing? Do you see a benefit in that?

• 54:11Speaker 02

  What is the benefit to American people's lives? I'm asking.

• 54:14Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the benefit to American people's life?

• 54:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, by this type of spending.

• 54:17Patrick Bet-David?

  What is the worst thing that ever happened to you in your life?

• 54:19Speaker 02

  Whatever. My mother died.

• 54:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, how painful was that?

• 54:23Speaker 02

  It was pretty bad.

• 54:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Pretty painful?

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, really awful.

• 54:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Was there financial consequence? How old were you when that happened?

• 54:29Speaker 02

  It was about five years ago.

• 54:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Five years ago. Okay, I'm sorry to hear that.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  Oh, six years ago.

• 54:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, six years ago. Sorry for your loss. But think about, think about, you know, yesterday. I'm at the Dennis Prager event.

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay.

• 54:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Dennis Prager, two years ago, on November 12, I want to say. You can correct me on the date, November 11 or November 12, right after he does an interview with us on the podcast. It's fairly, yeah, November 12. On November 12, he's on the second floor, typically when he's on the second floor, his wife's downstairs in the kitchen making breakfast and lunch for him. That's the routine. She's never on the second floor. While he's on the second floor, he had bought a new razor. He leaves the shower to go use his new razor. When he goes outside to use the new razor, he takes it, he slips, hits his head.

• 55:21Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah, two years ago.

• 55:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Instantly, he becomes a...

• 55:25Speaker 02

  Paraplegic.

• 55:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Paraplegic.

• 55:27Speaker 02

  A quadriplegic.

• 55:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Quadriplegic, yes. Quadriplegic. Everything is gone. They told him, forget about it. You guys gotta have a plan to get this guy. Okay. So, unless you hear that story happening to someone close to you, you don't think about it. Last night I come home, when I come home, I go to Jen, the first thing I tell Jen is, we just did our shower. And we have a good-sized shower, you know, family, all that stuff that we do. And the floor that we have is way too slippery. I've never liked it. Super fancy, I don't give a shit how fancy it is, it's too slippery. Last night, you know what the conversation was with us? Hey, we gotta figure out a way to address this thing here because it's too

• 56:07Patrick Bet-David?

  slippery, and we gotta fix it. Where am I going with this? There is naivete, why are we investing into this? Why do we need to do this with drones? Adam, you gotta let me finish, and I'm gonna come to you. Why are we doing this? And why are we doing that? And why are we doing this? Do you know what we've learned with war the last three years? Here's what we've learned with wars the last three years. The giant, the giant, like Russia, who everybody thought Russia was gonna eat Ukraine and Zelensky was gonna get destroyed, Zelensky had the best small drones that they would make for $2,000, and they can send and build half a million of them. And send them into tankers and shut them down. Send

• 56:50Patrick Bet-David?

  them into ships and shut them down. Then we learned US goes against Iran. And guess what Iran builds that Russia was using? Now that Russia buys from Iran. What are those drones called that Iran built? Shahed?

• 57:02Speaker 02

  Shahed drones?

• 57:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Shahed. They're known for that. Those two countries are not known for being the...

• 57:08Speaker 02

  Why are we using?

• 57:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, this is where the point I'm getting to you. What I'm trying to tell you is, when you get to a point like this, it's very honorable that a guy like Palmer Lucky and others are sitting there saying, while the naive people are like, why are we building military equipment? Why are we doing all this other stuff? You're living in your small, little la-la land that don't know what the reality of life is when the enemy wants to take you out. And then when shit hits the fan, you know what you're gonna be saying? Why don't we have more military equipment? Why don't we have more drones? Why don't we have better equipment? No shit, Sherlock, because you said don't invest the money. So nobody ever thinks about crisis until all of a sudden, boom, we're hit with it. Now you're saying, all these, where was the US military? What was this? All these years, we're building into this kind of stuff. So to me, there is...

• 57:52Speaker 02

  Why are we giving it to other countries then?

• 57:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I didn't tell you about other countries.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  We're giving it to Ukraine and Israel.

• 57:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Those are two, but you isolate the issue, buddy. There's two different things. The one item is us. We need to be strong, ourselves. So to isolate that issue, I applaud what Palmer Lucky is doing. And by the way, I think, I think this company that you're seeing that's $90 billion valuation... I think in the next five years.

• 58:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, I think Andoril has what it takes to be a one and a half to two and a half trillion dollar company in the next five years.

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:24Patrick Bet-David?

  And I also think a lot of other people are gonna get into the space. Uh, developing this type of military equipment because warfare has changed in a massive way.

• 58:33Speaker 02

  Do they only sell to America or do they sell to other countries too?

• 58:37Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a different conversation, whether they sell or not.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  I'm just asking theoretically.

• 58:40Patrick Bet-David?

  I get what you're saying. That's a different conversation. If some of them choose to sell it, it better be the partners. The part where it becomes an issue is when they sell it to an enemy. That's the part we don't want.

• 58:49Speaker 02

  Can I ask you a question? Okay. We left Afghanistan, right? It was the longest war in American history, right? But like one benefit is is that there's a massive industry that requires us spending money in order to, for them to make money, right? The, the like defense industry, right? So if we leave Afghanistan, like, uh, then what do we do? And it, to me, in my mind, I'm simple, okay? You guys are, you're, you're numbers, guys. You're much smarter than me. Like, uh, it benefits that industry if we have people dying in different conflicts and then we just keep sending them weapons.

• 59:22Patrick Bet-David?

  No one disagrees with you.

• 59:23Speaker 02

  So, so, but like, here's my question, like.

• 59:25Patrick Bet-David?

  But here's the part you have to realize.

• 59:26Speaker 02

  Don't.

• 59:27Patrick Bet-David?

  As, as a cynic, which you're a cynic.

• 59:29Speaker 02

  I'm not a cynic. You're saying that anytime we, we could, uh, the, we could be attacked. That's cynical.

• 59:35Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not what I'm saying. What I'm, no, it's not cynical. That's called preventative. That's called being, that's like, I'm in the insurance, I was in the insurance space for 25 years. You buy.

• 59:43Speaker 02

  When's the last time America's been attacked? Actually, genuinely, I'm trying to think. Pearl Harbor, right?

• 59:47Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a reason why.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  But that's not against, but that's, that's a plane. That's not, uh, technology.

• 59:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Why aren't you attacked? Ask that question.

• 59:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Why aren't?

• 59:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Why aren't you attacked?

• 59:56Speaker 02

  Uh, but.

• 59:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  Why isn't anybody invading us?

• 59:58Speaker 02

  We're the richest country in the world.

• 1:00:00Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no. Who gives a shit? A lot, a lot of countries are the richest. They get attacked. Dubai has a lot of money.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  We're also across a, we're across an ocean from everyone else.

• 1:00:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Why aren't we attacked?

• 1:00:07Speaker 02

  We're, geographically, we have an advantage because we're across the Pacific and the, and the Atlantic Ocean.

• 1:00:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Why else you think we're not attacked?

• 1:00:13Speaker 02

  Uh, because, uh, America's the richest and most powerful country, yeah.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  But a nuke, why?

• 1:00:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Just money? You think that's why we're not attacked?

• 1:00:19Speaker 02

  We get more nukes. We have nukes though, right? Why would, why do we need these little crappy little things?

• 1:00:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Your, your, your naivete of way of thinking.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  People don't like their lives right now.

• 1:00:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Your naivete way of thinking.

• 1:00:30Speaker 02

  That's why the Republicans are getting wiped in the midterms.

• 1:00:32Patrick Bet-David?

  And guess what?

• 1:00:33Speaker 02

  Because it's the economy and it's just people aren't happy.

• 1:00:35Patrick Bet-David?

  If it happens.

• 1:00:35Speaker 02

  And that's why Biden got wiped because the economy was bad.

• 1:00:37Patrick Bet-David?

  If it happens, well deserved. That's how politics works. People vote with the gas prices. That doesn't mean it's always right.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:00:44Patrick Bet-David?

  People vote with gas prices.

• 1:00:45Speaker 02

  I don't think like, it's a little bit annoying if I find out my taxes are going to Iron Man suits with like, uh, people, people kind of need like a lot of other things in this country. The economy sucks.

• 1:00:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam, you're doing a good job of, of.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  No, no, I think, I think it's a stimulus package for an industry. That's what it is. And it's inflating a ready weak economy.

• 1:01:02Tom Ellsworth?

  No, you're spinning back. You're doing something very interesting. You're, you're making one point.

• 1:01:05Speaker 02

  Go ahead. No, no, Adam, I'm sorry. I cut you off. Yeah, but go ahead. Yeah.

• 1:01:09Tom Ellsworth?

  I have a question for you. You said your mother died six years ago.

• 1:01:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, but why, why did you do that?

• 1:01:13Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, because I'm gonna ask you, buddy.

• 1:01:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:01:14Tom Ellsworth?

  How did your mother die?

• 1:01:16Speaker 02

  Uh, gliob, uh, a pontine glioma, a brain cancer.

• 1:01:19Tom Ellsworth?

  What is that?

• 1:01:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, brain cancer.

• 1:01:20Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm sorry to hear that.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  It's in the pons.

• 1:01:22Tom Ellsworth?

  Now, let's say hypothetically, your mom was actually murdered by a terrorist or even just a bad person.

• 1:01:27Speaker 02

  What are you talking about?

• 1:01:28Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm talking to your face about what happens if something.

• 1:01:31Speaker 02

  My mom was murdered by a terrorist?

• 1:01:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Let's say something like that. You don't think that that's possible?

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  What are you talking about?

• 1:01:36Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm talking about your mom got murdered.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Any sense?

• 1:01:39Tom Ellsworth?

  Cause you're, if you'd listen, you'll understand.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  What's the last terrorist that's murdered, like my, uh, moms, Jewish moms in Las Vegas? What are you talking about?

• 1:01:47Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm talking about.

• 1:01:47Speaker 02

  All right. Was my mom under threat of a terrorist killing her?

• 1:01:50Tom Ellsworth?

  You're a comedian, right?

• 1:01:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're being funny though.

• 1:01:52Tom Ellsworth?

  You, you, no, you.

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  I don't understand what you're talking about right now.

• 1:01:54Tom Ellsworth?

  To, to think outside the box, right?

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  It was just a crazy one you just dropped.

• 1:01:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I'm just.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  I love your first name though.

• 1:01:59Tom Ellsworth?

  What I'm saying is God forbid something like that happened to your mom.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  God forbid that. She gets hit by lightning.

• 1:02:05Tom Ellsworth?

  On national security?

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, we need a light.

• 1:02:07Tom Ellsworth?

  What Patrick is basically saying.

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  No, the economy's weak and we're inflating it with this fucking spending.

• 1:02:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Why don't you just keep talking? How about, how about that?

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  You know I'm right. That's why you brought up the crazy thing about my mom.

• 1:02:16Speaker 03

  Had such a big headache.

• 1:02:17Tom Ellsworth?

  If you're conservatives, you should be upset about waste.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  We need to have a way.

• 1:02:21Patrick Bet-David?

  There's two things.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  Except when it comes to one.

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  He's through strength, buddy.

• 1:02:24Patrick Bet-David?

  There's two things. Now, hang on, hang on.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  Why didn't Doge go to the defense, uh, defense department?

• 1:02:28Patrick Bet-David?

  There's two things.

• 1:02:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Hear me out.

• 1:02:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:30Patrick Bet-David?

  We don't mind debate. That's why you're invited.

• 1:02:33Speaker 02

  I know. Very passionate.

• 1:02:34Patrick Bet-David?

  No, we invited you.

• 1:02:35Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:02:36Patrick Bet-David?

  And we respect our.

• 1:02:36Speaker 02

  But I, what I will say is like, I'm so excited. That's why I'm doing it.

• 1:02:39Patrick Bet-David?

  I get that.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  Take it down.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  It's thrilling.

• 1:02:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Hang on.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:02:41Patrick Bet-David?

  But if we're going, allow the other person to speak.

• 1:02:44Speaker 02

  It's rude of me. I apologize. Adam, I apologize.

• 1:02:46Patrick Bet-David?

  We will give you the time. Trust me. We enjoy this.

• 1:02:48Speaker 02

  No, I'm hogging the time. I'm hogging.

• 1:02:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You are. So allow the others to speak and we'll come to you. I want to hear your thoughts. So Tom, what do you say to the argument he's making?

• 1:02:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, first of all, um, you're, you're, you're kind of spinning and conflating two things. And it's kind of a classic, a classic debate. I don't want money to go for that. American people are starving. There's all these things American people need. Yes, there are. There's a lot of things American people need. They're not getting from their government and their government is screwing up a lot of things that they do need. I get that. But this, to be safer, defense has been a deterrent. That's not a conservative position. That's a historical fact. Defense has been a deterrent, right?

• 1:03:26Speaker 02

  And we have nukes already though. Like, that's why it's a deterrent.

• 1:03:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. I have a car already. It's 10 years old. There's advancement. We're gonna upgrade it. No, you can't roll your eyes at that. You know that's correct.

• 1:03:38Speaker 02

  It's not as, it doesn't move the needle.

• 1:03:41Tom Ellsworth?

  Wait a minute, wait a minute. You're, you're a gamer. You're a gamer today. You have an Alienware. No, my Alienware computer's like six years old. I'm gonna get smoked.

• 1:03:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, if you have, Adam.

• 1:03:49Tom Ellsworth?

  You know what I mean.

• 1:03:49Patrick Bet-David?

  So, so nukes. Go to nukes. Okay?

• 1:03:52Speaker 02

  Crazy. They should exist. They're so scary.

• 1:03:54Patrick Bet-David?

  That's no problem. So, so that's the position.

• 1:03:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Scary to who?

• 1:03:56Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but you have.

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  You shouldn't be able to end life on Earth. It's crazy that it exists.

• 1:04:00Patrick Bet-David?

  If you have nukes, which we do today, it's too late.

• 1:04:03Speaker 02

  I already.

• 1:04:03Patrick Bet-David?

  We have it, okay? So that's gone. Okay. How many times have we used it in war?

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  Uh, twice.

• 1:04:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Twice. Okay. How often is a weapon like that used? Not that often.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. So, saying you have nukes, but you're watching a war that's being won by drones and we are weak in drones, don't you think we need to elevate that part of our game?

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  I think that, uh.

• 1:04:24Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a very logical question.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  A deterrent. The drones would not be a deterrent against America being attacked.

• 1:04:29Patrick Bet-David?

  You would be amazed how much it would be because nowadays, if the six, did you watch the sixty?

• 1:04:34Speaker 02

  The drones?

• 1:04:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you watch the 60 minute interview this week with the Director of Secret Service?

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:04:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay. It's a pretty good interview. So the guy is saying.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Who is it?

• 1:04:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Attacks, uh, in, uh, uh, attacks on, uh, can you pull up the stats that he pulled up? Attacks are up 25 to 26 by 41%.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  On what?

• 1:04:52Patrick Bet-David?

  What he says. Attacks on the US, threats on the US is up 41%. Then they asked him the question about drones and his answer is, quite honestly, we don't necessarily have the best defense against it right now. And they're showing some of the equipment that they have for drones, but we don't have that. You know what the job of somebody that runs Secret Service or the military is? They don't think like you do. They don't think like you do. That, that's, their, their wiring is not like you. Their wiring is.

• 1:05:18Speaker 02

  We got a really big military.

• 1:05:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Their wiring is, how do I, as big of a military as we have?

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Huge.

• 1:05:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Military advances and we're behind. That's what that is. Wars change and we're behind. Like Russia. You know, you know how many nuclear bombs Russia has?

• 1:05:32Speaker 03

  Five thousand two, five thousand two, five thousand one hundred.

• 1:05:35Speaker 02

  So scary? How scary is that?

• 1:05:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Is, is Ukraine scared?

• 1:05:39Speaker 02

  Uh, well.

• 1:05:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is Ukraine not scared of Russia?

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  They're getting some nice US.

• 1:05:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is Ukraine not afraid of Russia? Why is Ukraine not afraid of Russia?

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Because they're getting some nice military.

• 1:05:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Because nobody uses nuclear weapons. And so we're learning.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  Why are they there?

• 1:05:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is who there?

• 1:05:52Speaker 03

  Deterrent. So that, you know not to wipe us out because we go wipe you out.

• 1:05:55Patrick Bet-David?

  That's invention. That's something that invention, it is scary.

• 1:05:58Speaker 02

  Wait, uh, uh.

• 1:05:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Why is a taser or a gun on the hip of a cop?

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  Uh, because it's, it's a police.

• 1:06:04Speaker 03

  Well, that's the first thing they use.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  No, no, just, I'm just saying.

• 1:06:06Tom Ellsworth?

  These get arrested people. Well, and?

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:06:09Tom Ellsworth?

  He's a deterrent.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Well, he's a cop too. You don't want to do things.

• 1:06:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Okay, well then.

• 1:06:13Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think the military has?

• 1:06:15Tom Ellsworth?

  Transfer to a country.

• 1:06:16Patrick Bet-David?

  The naivete.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  Now we, so you think that we should be patrolling everywhere like a police?

• 1:06:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, no, no. She, she flipped the answer to do that.

• 1:06:23Speaker 02

  I'm just asking, you guys think I'm debating. I'm really just, uh, inquisitive more than anything.

• 1:06:27Tom Ellsworth?

  It's not debating as much as it is annoying.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  No, no, but you guys are numbers, guys, and I don't think you buy this. I think you're just riding for Trump right now. I genuinely.

• 1:06:34Tom Ellsworth?

  This has nothing to do with safety. This has to do with defense.

• 1:06:36Speaker 02

  You're a conservative, you're a conservative. Waste and it should be your number one issue. We are wasting.

• 1:06:42Patrick Bet-David?

  I feel like you're trying to make 10 points in one.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  No, no, no. Listen, listen.

• 1:06:45Tom Ellsworth?

  You are.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  No, listen. It, it is a simple fact.

• 1:06:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, what's your, what's your outcome of being here today? No, no, hang on a second. What's your outcome of being here today?

• 1:06:52Speaker 02

  Fan experience. It's like I would, like, I feel.

• 1:06:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Being honest with you.

• 1:06:55Speaker 02

  Genuinely.

• 1:06:55Patrick Bet-David?

  What's your outcome of being here today?

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Thrilling. I genuinely enjoy it so much.

• 1:06:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You just said, you guys are all Trump. What did you just say? You're all, what was it?

• 1:07:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Riding for Trump. Riding for Trump.

• 1:07:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's because.

• 1:07:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you heard anybody here say you're just riding for Obama or Biden or AOC? Have you heard us say that to you?

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:07:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No, so what are you doing saying that?

• 1:07:13Speaker 02

  Because I'm not, because I, I don't like either.

• 1:07:14Patrick Bet-David?

  We have a very regular conversation.

• 1:07:16Speaker 02

  I love them though.

• 1:07:17Patrick Bet-David?

  No, we have a very regular conversation where we go through different issues. But for you, you go here and then you get cornered. You go here and then you get cornered. You go here. That's what you're doing.

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  Defense, listen, it's a massive industry. They lobby politicians. They have a, a.

• 1:07:29Patrick Bet-David?

  They do.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  Factory in their district.

• 1:07:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  They get a stimulus package.

• 1:07:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Eisenhower, a Republican president said, be careful with the military industrial complex. Yeah. So what's your point?

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  This for so, because now you're advocating for some.

• 1:07:39Patrick Bet-David?

  You have, you have one of two things I'm asking, you still haven't answered.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  My point is this.

• 1:07:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Now, hang on, let me ask the question. Let me ask the question.

• 1:07:45Speaker 02

  35 program, right? It is a stimulus to every single aviation company.

• 1:07:49Patrick Bet-David?

  You're not gonna do this. If I'm talking to you, let me ask you a question.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Patrick Bet-David?

  You have two choices.

• 1:07:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:54Patrick Bet-David?

  If you're a leader.

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 1:07:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you want to see innovation?

• 1:07:57Speaker 02

  They say that every time.

• 1:07:58Patrick Bet-David?

  If you want to see innovation in us producing better military equipment that's been used the last three years in war.

• 1:08:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Or you're saying, no, forget about it. It's not a private, it's not a top 10 list for me.

• 1:08:07Speaker 02

  I'll tell you what, when I would want that.

• 1:08:09Patrick Bet-David?

  You didn't answer the question.

• 1:08:10Speaker 02

  No, I'm answering you. I would want it if I had a lot of stocks in military, uh, defense companies.

• 1:08:15Patrick Bet-David?

  But now you're being sarcastic.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  No, I mean it.

• 1:08:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're not.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  I would want it because I would make money.

• 1:08:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Stocking Andoril and I want it.

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  I'm not saying you. I'm not.

• 1:08:20Patrick Bet-David?

  But I'm talking, don't play the game.

• 1:08:22Speaker 02

  You think of that as being?

• 1:08:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Answer the question.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  Dude, I, I don't, I never do debates.

• 1:08:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes or no? Which of them is it?

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  I think.

• 1:08:27Patrick Bet-David?

  You have a choice.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  The economy stinks and I think that, that this and AI are artificially propping it up right now.

• 1:08:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, so, so.

• 1:08:34Speaker 02

  That's what I think.

• 1:08:34Patrick Bet-David?

  This part, so to you is, we don't need to make better military equipment. Let's not incentivize.

• 1:08:39Speaker 02

  Do you live in fear of a terrorist shooting your mom in the head every day?

• 1:08:42Patrick Bet-David?

  It, it, do I live in fear?

• 1:08:44Speaker 02

  Like Adam, fear. I, I don't.

• 1:08:45Speaker 03

  You should.

• 1:08:45Speaker 02

  I should?

• 1:08:46Patrick Bet-David?

  The reason.

• 1:08:47Speaker 02

  What terrorist?

• 1:08:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, the reason why, why don't you though?

• 1:08:50Speaker 02

  Because I'm a sane human being.

• 1:08:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do people in the Middle East do though? Why do other countries do?

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Because we're not, I'm saying, in my life, I don't live in fear that I'm gonna be shot.

• 1:08:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Why though? Why don't you? That's an honor, that's a privilege.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Is that the world you occupy?

• 1:09:00Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, why don't you though?

• 1:09:02Speaker 02

  Is that your world?

• 1:09:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Answer the question, why don't you worry about it?

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Because, are you out of the world? Like, that's not what happens.

• 1:09:07Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, you're out of the world.

• 1:09:09Speaker 02

  Terrorists don't shoot people in the head.

• 1:09:10Patrick Bet-David?

  What countries have you, what countries have you lived in for more than three years?

• 1:09:13Speaker 02

  Uh, America.

• 1:09:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:09:15Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 1:09:16Patrick Bet-David?

  What other places have you lived? What other places have you lived?

• 1:09:18Speaker 02

  South Africa, Israel.

• 1:09:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Israel, okay. Why do you think, here?

• 1:09:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:09:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think you're so safe, you're not worried about it?

• 1:09:25Speaker 02

  Because South Africa is fighting for us.

• 1:09:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you worried, why are you not worried in America that you're not gonna be?

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Because we have nukes and we have the biggest economy, we have the biggest military ready.

• 1:09:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, so because of that?

• 1:09:34Speaker 02

  Every single time there's an appropriation, they say, what if you get killed and they spend more money?

• 1:09:38Patrick Bet-David?

  So, you're, you're welcome, you're welcome, you're welcome.

• 1:09:42Speaker 02

  You know it's dirty.

• 1:09:42Patrick Bet-David?

  These are, these are your, again.

• 1:09:44Speaker 02

  You know it's dirty.

• 1:09:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You're playing the game of two things.

• 1:09:46Speaker 02

  I don't, you come on.

• 1:09:47Patrick Bet-David?

  You're playing the game on two things.

• 1:09:49Speaker 02

  But you're a numbers guy, you, you know this, you know this, Pat.

• 1:09:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You're, you're funny, so, listen.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  You're a numbers guy.

• 1:09:53Patrick Bet-David?

  We can play sarcasm and have fun.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  It's not sarcasm.

• 1:09:55Patrick Bet-David?

  That's that part, you still haven't answered the question.

• 1:09:57Speaker 02

  What? Do I?

• 1:09:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you feel safe in America?

• 1:10:01Speaker 02

  Because we're the strongest country.

• 1:10:02Patrick Bet-David?

  No shit, Sherlock, how did it happen?

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  So why do we have to buy these gizmos for this weird guy?

• 1:10:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Because you have to stay that way, it's called, only the paranoid survive.

• 1:10:09Speaker 02

  That's what they say every time. No, right now, we have to like, our citizens don't.

• 1:10:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you ever ran a business?

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  Yes, I do.

• 1:10:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have kids?

• 1:10:15Speaker 02

  Currently.

• 1:10:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't have kids yet, right? When you do have kids, you know how you're gonna look at the world?

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  I've loved this, by the way.

• 1:10:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you gonna have kids one day?

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  Of course, yes.

• 1:10:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't wait for it to happen. When it happens, call me, I wanna congratulate you, but I can't wait to see if you have a daughter and a son, and how different you look at the world.

• 1:10:29Speaker 02

  I'm hoping daughter.

• 1:10:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Whatever it is, okay, we're gonna go to Shane Gillis and, and what's the one, the abortion guy, the lady that had a son, and she got it aborted on TikTok, and got a half a million likes.

• 1:10:39Speaker 02

  Someone had an abortion on TikTok?

• 1:10:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so.

• 1:10:42Speaker 02

  So now we're having fun again.

• 1:10:43Patrick Bet-David?

  When that happens.

• 1:10:44Speaker 02

  Can we all apologize to each other for our argument?

• 1:10:46Patrick Bet-David?

  No, Adam.

• 1:10:47Speaker 02

  I love you guys.

• 1:10:47Patrick Bet-David?

  When that happens, when that happens.

• 1:10:50Speaker 02

  I don't share your worldview.

• 1:10:51Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, it's when it, when, it's not, it's fine.

• 1:10:54Speaker 02

  I don't think a terrorist is gonna shoot me in the head, I'm sorry. You sound a little crazy saying that, you sound hysterical.

• 1:10:59Adam Sosnick?

  Where do you live, in New York?

• 1:11:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, the reason why you-

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  My mom died from cancer, maybe we should fight cancer instead of a terrorist shooting her in the head.

• 1:11:06Adam Sosnick?

  I'm sure your mom maybe died of a headache.

• 1:11:08Speaker 02

  That's one of the worst ones.

• 1:11:08Adam Sosnick?

  Your mom might have died of a headache.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  Brutal, brutal one there. My mom died of a headache? You made a joke about that?

• 1:11:15Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  About her brain cancer?

• 1:11:17Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 1:11:17Speaker 02

  Pat, go on, that's inappropriate. There's no timeout, that's inappropriate. He made a joke about my mother's brain cancer, on a live stream right now, and she died from a headache.

• 1:11:27Adam Sosnick?

  I don't know, you said your-

• 1:11:28Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I didn't hear that at all.

• 1:11:29Adam Sosnick?

  You said you're giving me a headache.

• 1:11:31Speaker 02

  Adam, no, no.

• 1:11:32Adam Sosnick?

  I didn't hear that at all.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Oh, you said that, I, I gave her a headache, not her brain cancer.

• 1:11:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's, let's move on, let's move on with the story, this-

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  No, no, no, I think, I think, no, no, no.

• 1:11:41Patrick Bet-David?

  For this format?

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  I'm not gonna-

• 1:11:42Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't work for this format.

• 1:11:43Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, that's, that's a very insulting thing.

• 1:11:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't work for this format.

• 1:11:46Speaker 02

  Why?

• 1:11:46Patrick Bet-David?

  This format for you, you're not even letting the conversation take place, not annoying.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  But that was a violation.

• 1:11:51Patrick Bet-David?

  We have a lot of annoying people that are on. This is not a left or right thing.

• 1:11:54Adam Sosnick?

  You're winning.

• 1:11:54Patrick Bet-David?

  We've had a lot of people on the right we'll never have on, because they can't handle this conversation.

• 1:11:58Speaker 02

  I love it.

• 1:11:59Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not you love it, allow the format to go.

• 1:12:02Speaker 02

  But that's not the format.

• 1:12:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what he said, I didn't hear what he said.

• 1:12:04Speaker 02

  But Pat, you're the, you're the, you're the in charge, you gotta deal with that.

• 1:12:07Patrick Bet-David?

  What did he say?

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  He said, my mother died of a brain, uh, headache. I said, maybe we should solve cancer, if not terrorists.

• 1:12:14Adam Sosnick?

  What happens if you die from a terrorist attack?

• 1:12:15Speaker 02

  No, no, he didn't, you just said, Adam, you're gonna get in trouble.

• 1:12:18Adam Sosnick?

  Sorry about your mom.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  You're gonna get in trouble, no, no, this is not good for you guys, this is not good for Valuetainment, if that gets out. Unless I misheard it, and then I-

• 1:12:25Adam Sosnick?

  Maybe you misheard it.

• 1:12:26Patrick Bet-David?

  If it got out, dude, we're a live show, you didn't really care if it gets out.

• 1:12:29Speaker 02

  No problem. You're gonna hear that he made a joke about brain cancer.

• 1:12:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Cut it up and react to it.

• 1:12:32Speaker 02

  I don't want to, I don't wanna be part of this world, I like getting lost.

• 1:12:34Adam Sosnick?

  I'm sorry about your mom, buddy.

• 1:12:35Speaker 02

  I love Vinnie, and the, the rest of you guys are short, thin ice right now.

• 1:12:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me go to the next story, I'm gonna get to the next story, let's go to the next story.

• 1:12:42Speaker 02

  I don't really wanna move on right now.

• 1:12:43Patrick Bet-David?

  This format-

• 1:12:44Adam Sosnick?

  You could go to the bathroom if you want, for a second.

• 1:12:46Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let me get to the next story.

• 1:12:47Speaker 02

  No, you should fuck off.

• 1:12:48Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, next, next-

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  Don't say that about my mom.

• 1:12:50Adam Sosnick?

  Are you okay? You're getting a most-

• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  You shouldn't say, make a joke about someone with brain cancer.

• 1:12:56Adam Sosnick?

  You've been joking this entire podcast.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  About someone's mother die of brain cancer.

• 1:13:00Adam Sosnick?

  I said, how did your mom die?

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  Adam, Adam, you live, be civilized.

• 1:13:04Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, what would you like me to do, buddy?

• 1:13:05Speaker 02

  I'd like you to be, I'd like you to be an adult.

• 1:13:07Adam Sosnick?

  What would you like me to do?

• 1:13:08Speaker 02

  I'd like you to be an adult, and I'd like you to take accountability.

• 1:13:10Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, I'm sorry.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  That's fucking fucked up, man.

• 1:13:13Adam Sosnick?

  Sorry that I asked about your mom.

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  I can't, like, I can't believe, like, a human being-

• 1:13:15Adam Sosnick?

  Are you gonna be okay?

• 1:13:16Speaker 02

  You didn't ask, no, you didn't ask.

• 1:13:17Adam Sosnick?

  I asked how your mom died.

• 1:13:19Speaker 02

  Dude, you're gonna get in trouble, like, this is crazy.

• 1:13:21Adam Sosnick?

  Am I gonna get in trouble? From who?

• 1:13:22Speaker 02

  If you said, from who, I don't care, dude.

• 1:13:25Adam Sosnick?

  Who, from who?

• 1:13:26Speaker 02

  Adam, that is-

• 1:13:26Adam Sosnick?

  I'm being normal and nice, I'm not being-

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  No, you're not. No, you're not.

• 1:13:31Adam Sosnick?

  Are you okay, young man?

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  What I'm gonna say is, if I misunderstood you, I apologize.

• 1:13:35Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 1:13:36Speaker 02

  But if you said what I understood you to-

• 1:13:38Adam Sosnick?

  I'm not being malicious towards your mom, it seems like you're being antagonistic, first of all.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  No, no, that is antisocial and demonic.

• 1:13:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, do you know, do you know how his dad died?

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  How?

• 1:13:45Patrick Bet-David?

  How did your dad die?

• 1:13:46Adam Sosnick?

  It was very tragic, but let's not go there, it's not, it's, it's fine.

• 1:13:49Speaker 02

  I wouldn't make a joke about it.

• 1:13:51Patrick Bet-David?

  He wouldn't joke about your mom, buddy.

• 1:13:52Adam Sosnick?

  Not-

• 1:13:53Patrick Bet-David?

  He wouldn't joke about your mom.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  That's not what happened.

• 1:13:55Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I'm, I'm moving on, Adam.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  Pat, that's not what happened.

• 1:13:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you able to do this, or you wanna leave?

• 1:13:59Speaker 02

  Me?

• 1:13:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  Triggered?

• 1:14:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you able to do this, or you wanna leave? Cause I wanna have, I got eight more stories to go through.

• 1:14:05Speaker 02

  Okay, go do your story.

• 1:14:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you wanna do this, or you wanna move on?

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  I'll move on.

• 1:14:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let's go to the next story, next one I wanna go to is Shane Gillis. So Shane Gillis does a sketch on SNL, right? And he says, uh, can you go back to the story and then we'll play the clip? So it says, everyone has weighed in on the Shane Gillis monologue controversy, except SNL, go for it. So what did Shane Gillis say that pissed everybody off? Go ahead.

• 1:14:29Tom Ellsworth?

  He's a fat guy, especially in New York, it's a nightmare, dude, everyone's just, just the hottest gay guys you've ever seen. They're jacked, and they look at me, they're like, yeah, right. I know, dude. Also, I haven't been to the gym in so long, I didn't know women just dress like whores now?

• 1:14:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, I'm sorry, there's no other way to describe, I say, have you seen it? I've seen it, the shorts? Have you seen the shorts? Those neon, they're like, the only, they're like, artificial bait colored?

• 1:14:58Tom Ellsworth?

  The wrinkles, the wrinkles go like, around the cheeks and all combine at the butthole.

• 1:15:06Tom Ellsworth?

  And don't look, you're not allowed to look. For real, don't look, cause they are filming, I'm, I'm in the background of like, ten TikToks right now.

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• 1:17:47Patrick Bet-David?

  All the equipment, I haven't been in the gym and so the equipment's changed. It's all like kettlebells and rubber bands and rubs. I'm not doing kettlebells fat publicly.

• 1:17:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I'd rather die. Okay, so what's the issue here? What happened with this, Adam? I'm gonna come to you first. He said what?

• 1:18:06Speaker 02

  Whore.

• 1:18:06Patrick Bet-David?

  And so that's why people are pissed?

• 1:18:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, because of the Cornell 7 and like, uh...

• 1:18:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, what happened here?

• 1:18:12Speaker 03

  Well, he said, "The girls that are in the gym with those tight pants that, you know, accentuate the buttocks and there's like a gym shark or some, like all these girls' pantses." And I'm gonna be honest with you guys, Pat, you guys, I'm gonna take a completely different angle. I am disgusted, absolutely disgusted with Shane Gillis, and I'm gonna say it out loud. How dare he say stupid stuff like that where these girls are just out there trying to be body positive, they're trying to work out, like, kind of, can you show me in the gym? Guys, this is how, when I'm at the gym, Pat, that's how, that's what I wear, you know why? I'm not a whore. I just feel more comfortable, the air conditioner is better in my gym.

• 1:18:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, you see your entire dick.

• 1:18:54Speaker 03

  And I'm telling you right now, this is how I work out. And shame on him for trying to bring that up. But anyway, all jokes aside...

• 1:19:00Patrick Bet-David?

  It's actually a real picture, right?

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  By the way, let's, yeah, that's not a real picture, but, uh, the future looks tight. Here's my thing, and Adam, I want to ask you guys, real talk. These are the same people that are mad, can you show that video of what girls were doing, what he triggered? Like, so Pat, girls are playing his video and look at how mad, this girl, and then, yeah, fast forward it to like right when she goes up to the camera, look at how mad, Pat, look at how mad she is, and then go back to what she said, listen, listen to this. The way that you just spoke about women says more about you than it does me. I'm strong, I'm body confident, and I shouldn't have to worry about being objectified at the gym.

• 1:19:38Speaker 02

  So, uh...

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  It's, by the way, it's...

• 1:19:39Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'm trying to find out is what, what is a big deal about this?

• 1:19:42Speaker 03

  Girls, because, Pat, in this day and age, these girls are dressing very provocative in the gym. Let's just, can we just be honest, number one? Call them exhibitionist, whatever, I don't even think the right word was whore, because what does whore mean? That you're sleeping around with other...

• 1:19:57Speaker 02

  You could just see their butts because they're wearing tight pants.

• 1:19:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're wearing very tight pants.

• 1:20:00Speaker 02

  But, but, but, but, like, why does, like, why does any of this matter?

• 1:20:04Speaker 03

  It doesn't matter, but here's the thing, you know what I love? SNL, they didn't comment, they were trying to ask Michael Shade the other day, he avoided the question. It's a joke, and you know what the crazy thing about this is? If you don't like it, don't watch it. Nobody was shoving your face in front of a TV and go, "Watch Shane Gillis." Mind you, good for him. Do you guys remember when he was casted on the SNL and what happened? He did a podcast making fun of Chinese people and they freaking kicked him off. You know how, how...

• 1:20:32Patrick Bet-David?

  But they brought him back.

• 1:20:33Speaker 03

  They brought him back to host, and this is his second one. And it's absolutely insane. These are the same people that last week were talking crap about Sydney Sweeney, they're like, "What a whore, she's doing a commercial." And now they're like, "Oh my God, these girls, don't call us whores, shut up, just shut up."

• 1:20:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, where are you at? Where are you at with this?

• 1:20:50Adam Sosnick?

  Well, look, uh, there's two things going on. There's Shane Gillis doing his comedy, and then there's the actual situation that's going on at gyms. Shane is, all he's doing is commenting on what everybody has been talking about, what's going on at gyms for the last five years. You know, Dave Chappelle once did a skit where he goes, uh, someone came up to a cop and he goes, "Excuse me, excuse me, Mr. Officer, uh, I need your help." He goes, "Why would you think that I'm a police officer? Just because I'm wearing this outfit does not make me a police officer." He's like, "Just because you're wearing the outfit of a whore does not make you a whore." He goes, "Yeah, I get it, but you do realize how confusing this is?

• 1:21:30Adam Sosnick?

  These women are wearing ridiculously skintight, risque outfits as if they don't know what they're doing? Ladies, you're not a victim. If you're showing your booty cheeks out in a gym and you're doing squats, what do you think the average guy's gonna do? We have eyes, we have eyesight, but what the women have a problem is, if it's a good-looking guy, you've seen this before, they're like, "Oh, he's hitting on me, that's nice." If it's a guy that they're not attracted to, they're gonna call sexual harassment. Ladies, you know exactly what you're doing with these outfits and just, there's freedom of speech, you're not free to, you can freedom of press, you're not free of consequences for wearing ridiculously tight clothes. Shane Gillis is completely innocent of being a wronged comedian.

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  So the girls are to blame? What, I don't understand this take either. The girls are to blame? It's just a joke in a stand-up set.

• 1:22:21Adam Sosnick?

  I'm with Shane Gillis.

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  We've been, those have been wearing yoga pants for years.

• 1:22:25Adam Sosnick?

  By the way, to be clear, I'm pro-women wearing whatever you want. But when you wear whatever you want, you're gonna get some looks and some comments. It's not like, "Oh my God, I don't see you half naked." I mean, what are we doing?

• 1:22:37Speaker 02

  There's just another, like, uh, like, social, like, woke to...

• 1:22:41Adam Sosnick?

  Are you a male feminist?

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  What does that mean?

• 1:22:44Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly, I don't know, but are you one?

• 1:22:46Speaker 02

  No, I think this is, this is a nothing burger. I think it's a nothing burger, and I think that people have hoisted comedians, Shade, I'll say this, Shade's my friend, Shade got me my first representation in the industry unprompted. I never asked him, he just texted me, he says, "Do you want agents?" Like, he's a, what he's doing is, people are acting like...

• 1:23:04Adam Sosnick?

  So you're defending Shade?

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, I'm sorry, like, you were yelling at each other about, uh, should we buy defense technology with our tax dollars?

• 1:23:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Not defend, build it to prepare for...

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  What I'm saying is, this is, that's an important conversation. This is like, who the hell cares?

• 1:23:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Part of me agrees. It's like, who, why is this such a big story? Why?

• 1:23:22Adam Sosnick?

  It's actually not, it is a lot of noise, it's women being victims.

• 1:23:26Speaker 02

  It's a matter of fact, no, it's not that.

• 1:23:27Adam Sosnick?

  And saying, "I can't believe that you're objectifying me." Well, then don't wear those pants.

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  No, it's other former, it's other celebrities.

• 1:23:32Adam Sosnick?

  No men are complaining.

• 1:23:33Patrick Bet-David?

  So let me get both sides. So one side is, hey, if I want to wear these clothes and go to the gym and do that, leave me alone.

• 1:23:39Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 1:23:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And then the guy is saying, "But if you're dressing like this..."

• 1:23:42Adam Sosnick?

  I'm gonna look.

• 1:23:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, what are you doing, looking at me?

• 1:23:45Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that kind...

• 1:23:46Adam Sosnick?

  And why do you think I'm... Exactly.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  I'm just saying in general...

• 1:23:49Adam Sosnick?

  It's like, can we go back to Vinny's gorgeous outfit?

• 1:23:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Please not.

• 1:23:54Adam Sosnick?

  I actually, that's my screensaver now.

• 1:23:55Speaker 02

  I gotta go to the bathroom.

• 1:23:56Adam Sosnick?

  It's my screensaver now.

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  Can I have those tissues?

• 1:23:58Adam Sosnick?

  But you're gonna look at that!

• 1:24:01Patrick Bet-David?

  But, did you see the... All right, let me get to the next, let me get to the next. All right, let me get to the next story. Next story I want to get into is the Eric Deeders commercial. So here's Kimberly Guilfoyle, who apparently, a little weird, guys, on what's going on here. So she is speaking to this guy named Eric Deeders, who a couple of years ago, Dieter, whatever you want to call him, Eric Dieter, he comes out and he has receipts. And he shows that he gave her $300,000 for speaking fee and appearance fee, including Freedom Fest events, $50,000 for consulting fee, then another $100,000 for consulting, and, uh, up to $1 million of, uh, if he can get, uh, if she can get him on Tucker Carlson.

• 1:24:45Patrick Bet-David?

  He wanted to be on Tucker Carlson, if he was able to pull it off, you know, she was gonna get apparently a million dollars, this is what he's claiming. Get access to Attorney General Pam Bondi, and then arrange a meeting with IRS Commissioner Billy Long. He wanted assistance addressing a 2020 tax deduction dispute that he has. Then get the DOJ to investigate MetPro Group, and then obtain broader publicity for Durrani victims. And last but not least, literally, this is one of the things, Vinny, get his song lyrics to Kid Rock. And if he did that, she was gonna get a million bucks. Well, she at the end, in a text message, asks him, "Can you give me $100,000 for me to pay off my American Express balance?"

• 1:25:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Then, the story comes out with the new Press Secretary Katie, who is being asked about Kimberly Guilfoyle, and this is what she had to say, I don't know if you guys got the clip in the back or not, she says, "You know, we appreciate her for her service, but we have decided to move on." Go for it.

• 1:25:46Tom Ellsworth?

  I have two questions for you, if you can. Uh, first of all, on Kimberly Guilfoyle, the Daily Mail has been reporting on her since last year. The president said yesterday to reporters that he is considering firing her. Do you know a timeline for that? And also, potentially, who could be on the shortlist to replace her if he does? We have asked Ambassador Guilfoyle to resign. She has been a wonderful asset to the team, and we wish her well.

• 1:26:13Patrick Bet-David?

  So, that's that. And then the president was asked about it, I don't know if you have the president's clip about, you know, she was part of the family, I don't know if you got the clip in the back, I think you do.

• 1:26:22Adam Sosnick?

  He was saying no, right?

• 1:26:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, here's what he had to say, go for it.

• 1:26:27Patrick Bet-David?

  We're not happy.

• 1:26:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Is this it, or this is not it? Let's watch. No, she wasn't a member of my family. She, uh, I guess dated my son a long time ago, but she wasn't, no? She went to Greece, she was doing her good job, but we didn't like what we were reading. What did you think of the allocation? Okay, so now this leads me to stories now coming out of her releasing a burn book with dirt on the president's family, right? With all the stuff that came out, which by the way, you know, that's pretty valuable with all the information. There's a lot of people that hate the family that would love to have a story like this that comes out. Tom, when you hear a story like this, how bad is this? How bad is the look? What do you think will happen next?

• 1:27:13Tom Ellsworth?

  So first of all, there's one part in this that's very normal and typical in political circles. And that is, I don't know this guy and I'm not criticizing him, but there are people that make donations and they're called lobbyists on one level. This is, hey, I need an audience with the president. We're going to donate 500 to the reelection campaign. When this is over, we'd like an audience and I want to talk about X. Not X, the social media. I want to talk about, you know, legislation in my industry. I want to talk about awareness for these topics that matter to my kind of company. So people do that and there is a quid pro quo in there for a future meeting. Maybe something's not going to be signed, maybe it's not going to be done, but there's a quid pro quo for meetings.

• 1:27:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Hey, you know, Vinny, let me take you to dinner. I'd like you to introduce me to the owner of the Comedy Store, right? This happens all the time. Will you do that for me? And they buy you dinner or they whatever. So all of that goes on. So it seems kind of normal that a person's going to be approaching an insider and Kimberly Guilfoyle was an insider. Now, the part about song lyrics becomes kind of funny, but set that aside. So that first part doesn't seem terribly crazy to me. The part that is just odd is all of the stuff that's coming out. I got pictures of credit cards and pictures of guys junk and I got this list and all that. That's like, ugh, you don't want that to go out there.

• 1:28:37Tom Ellsworth?

  And by the way, there were stories out there that said, this was kind of why Trump sent her to Greece to be ambassador, to give her something meaningfully to do to see if she could perform in that function and that be way over here there and out of the spotlight and away from the American media. Now all this comes out like this and now the burn book? You know, I looked at the advances. I went down a list of celebrity and political book and advances over the last three years. Her rate card would be about two and a half to three and a half million dollars. When you look at all that, you know what I'm talking about?

• 1:29:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course.

• 1:29:13Tom Ellsworth?

  You go down, look at all the advances that have been paid. Let's just look at the stock market for recent advances paid on books. What are those numbers? She would get a two and a half. Well, she's not married to anybody. She had somebody that she said she wanted them to pay off her credit card bill. There's enough text that we can evaluate this. It appears credible. So, and you're not doing anything now, you're not married to anybody now. She's going to need to make a living or do something somehow, stay in.

• 1:29:39Patrick Bet-David?

  So then this is what I, this is what I think.

• 1:29:41Tom Ellsworth?

  So that makes the book then dangerous for them.

• 1:29:44Patrick Bet-David?

  I got a couple of things I want to ask. I get that. But Tom, let me ask you. So these guys bought a house together in Jupiter, okay? Don and her. They bought a 9.6, 9.4 million dollar house in Jupiter. I remember when that announcement was made four years ago, three years ago. So do you not think you're part of a family? President Trump is a very litigious guy before he became a president, let alone when he became a president. He's been, he knows how to deal with lawyers. Don't you think if this family is known for having prenups, when a relationship doesn't work out, they're going to have a contract in place to say, you better not speak? You don't think that exists? And if it does, can she still go around that and ask the, whatever the big publishing firm to say, if you're going to help me cover for the legal fees, I'll give you some of the dirt? What, what do you, what role do you think that plays?

• 1:30:25Tom Ellsworth?

  So if the burn book is just a rumor, we'll know, we'll know shortly and I'll tell you how you can tell. If there's no press release from Simon and Schuster saying, we are proud to work with Kimberly Guilfoyle and we are going to publish the book, My Years With The Trumps or something, right? And talking all about that. If that never happens, then they get a phone call first from the Trump attorneys quietly that said, you know, there's, there was kind of a prenup here. They were engaged. We have a prenup here and we have non-disparagement, non-disclosure. You put that book out, I'm going to take this, I'm going to put a letter on top of it from, you know, some very, very powerful people and you're not going to do it. So if you want to pay for a warehouse full of books that you can't distribute, try me. And then the publisher goes, thanks for your call.

• 1:31:10Tom Ellsworth?

  They go, I don't know if we can do that. They're going to sue her and they're going to sue us and try to injunct us. So if there's no announcement and no book deal announced, then I would, I would conclude, Tom would conclude, you know what? There's probably a document in there and somebody called the publisher and said, yeah, you don't want to do this.

• 1:31:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So Adam, where are you at?

• 1:31:31Adam Sosnick?

  Well, do you know where the word burn book comes from?

• 1:31:33Speaker 02

  Mean Girls.

• 1:31:34Adam Sosnick?

  It comes from the, the movie Mean Girls and there, there's going to be some Mean Girls. Kimberly Guilfoyle has, by the way, I'm not interested in reading the book, but if she did write a book, it'd be probably the most salacious, juiciest book you've ever read. Why? She was married to Gavin Newsom.

• 1:31:51Speaker 02

  That's where this whole story starts from.

• 1:31:53Adam Sosnick?

  Becomes a Fox News anchor, ends up dating slash engaged to Don Jr. Now she's in the Trump administration as the ambassador.

• 1:32:04Speaker 02

  Did you say Greece?

• 1:32:05Adam Sosnick?

  When, when I, when I went to the White House, I've been there a few times, she was there. I'm like, oh, hey. She goes, hey, what's going on?

• 1:32:12Speaker 02

  She was way out there.

• 1:32:13Adam Sosnick?

  Very out there type person. To me, there's one of two things that are going to happen. She's either going to find out, we're going to find out, is she actually loyal? She about that life? Or is she just looking for a quick buck? Cause she, she's loyal to the president and she'll say, wow, I've been in this orbit for over a decade. Let me stay loyal to my boss, to the president of the United States. Or do I need a couple of million bucks? We're going to find out. I also think this, last point, what the hell is she going to say about Trump that we don't already know? Grab him by the, this and this, that story, he's already the president. What's she going to do to make him look worse? Everything's already out there.

• 1:32:47Patrick Bet-David?

  You think Trump's worried about that? I actually don't think he is.

• 1:32:49Speaker 02

  Why'd she get a job then?

• 1:32:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think she is.

• 1:32:51Adam Sosnick?

  Don Jr. might be worried.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Why'd she get a job?

• 1:32:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:54Adam Sosnick?

  But because they were engaged.

• 1:32:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Why did she?

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Why would she get a job though?

• 1:32:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think?

• 1:32:58Speaker 02

  It's your son's ex-girlfriend. If my dad hired my ex-girlfriend, I'd be like, what the hell is that?

• 1:33:04Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I agree with that.

• 1:33:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  She probably has something on there.

• 1:33:07Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, that's a, that's a, here's what I would tell you though.

• 1:33:09Speaker 02

  And also what does an ambassador do?

• 1:33:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So the, so the position, this new role that they play, remember what the new 2024 strategy is versus what 2020 was, 2016 was. 2016, he fired people left and right. 2024, the strategy is, hey, just give him a job. Like Mike is a Waltz, Mike Waltz?

• 1:33:30Speaker 02

  Mike Waltz.

• 1:33:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Was the one with the signal messages going out and you know, in the meeting? What did he do? You're an ambassador. What, what job did he end up getting? Yeah, US ambassador to United Nations. So ambassador. So I think, I think it's like a job you give to not have any noise for the administration. It's kind of like a, you're the ambassador to Greece. Go do that.

• 1:33:51Adam Sosnick?

  Thanks for your loyalty. Enjoy Greece.

• 1:33:53Speaker 02

  Imagine getting a crap country.

• 1:33:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I see a meeting like this taking place.

• 1:33:56Speaker 02

  The Cyclades.

• 1:33:57Patrick Bet-David?

  I see a meeting like this taking place.

• 1:33:58Speaker 02

  She's got something.

• 1:33:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you give me the lowest five jobs we can give here? That is not a high decision-making job. Ambassador to Greece, offer to her, hey, we have announced she's going to be the, I think that's the position you play. Do, do, if the question is, do you think she has things to reveal and talk about? I mean, what do you?

• 1:34:16Adam Sosnick?

  Well, you know who I think this is on? This is not on Trump. It's on one person. It's on Don Jr. He was engaged. That's like saying, hey, Pat, can you hire my ex? I think Adam made up a decent point here. Can you hire my ex?

• 1:34:27Speaker 02

  He's so annoying.

• 1:34:28Adam Sosnick?

  Why would you ever advocate for something like that? It's only going to end foolish and stupid. We're going to see if she's actually a pro-Trump person at the end of the day. My guess is she's actually going to be smart enough to stay loyal to Trump.

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  But guys, like as if everybody shouldn't have known, she married Gavin Newsom. No, I'm being dead serious. They look sexy. Yeah, look at Pat. For five years. Yeah, that was. They're both attractive people. No, 100%. But it's Gavin Newsom, the guy that's sleeping with his best friend's wife and he's just a slime ball.

• 1:34:57Tom Ellsworth?

  But you know, in 2026, what does America think of this? Liberals look at this and they go, ew, he, her? And then conservatives are like, ew. No, no, it's a unifying picture because it disgusts people on both sides of the issue.

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. But, but a question for you, like Pat, if you become president, let's say they change the constitution, you can run. Pat?

• 1:35:19Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm listening.

• 1:35:20Speaker 02

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• 1:37:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. I would give you Catalina Island.

• 1:37:52Speaker 02

  You promised me Catalina Island.

• 1:37:53Patrick Bet-David?

  I'd give you Catalina Island.

• 1:37:54Speaker 02

  You're gonna stick me with those fucking buffalo?

• 1:37:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Go take care of the Wrigley founder.

• 1:37:57Speaker 02

  No, no, I want I want I want I want a Carnival.

• 1:38:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:01Adam Sosnick?

  Your wife will not let you go to Brazil.

• 1:38:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You better get your act together.

• 1:38:04Speaker 02

  The president wants me to, the president said.

• 1:38:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You better get your act together.

• 1:38:06Speaker 02

  And they only got one ticket.

• 1:38:07Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let's go to next story. Next story is one of the biggest races that everybody's following closely with Talarico and Paxton. All of a sudden, this guy that just made flying cars comes out and says, ah, I kind of want to give some money to these guys. Well, Elon, how much money you want to give them? I don't know, maybe not a dollar or two. How about if I spend a hundred and fifty eight million?

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  Nothing to it.

• 1:38:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Dollars. It is not, but that's a lot for race. He donated a hundred and fifty million dollars to a Senate Republican super PAC. Contribution seventy five million plus eighty three million in September. Money was subsequently transferred to PACs supporting Ken Paxton. Musk also contributed eighty million to the America PAC during Q three. Total money in the last few months is two hundred and thirty eight million dollars.

• 1:38:54Adam Sosnick?

  SpaceX. There's one reason here.

• 1:38:56Patrick Bet-David?

  He lives in Texas.

• 1:38:57Adam Sosnick?

  Where does Elon Musk live?

• 1:38:57Patrick Bet-David?

  He lives in Texas.

• 1:38:58Adam Sosnick?

  He's in Texas. So he dabbled in in politics in twenty twenty four. We know that got ugly with Trump and Doge.

• 1:39:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:03Adam Sosnick?

  But he's in Texas.

• 1:39:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I ask you a question? This is the question I want to ask. Have you seen Trump and Elon getting cozy again recently?

• 1:39:10Speaker 02

  They miss each other.

• 1:39:11Adam Sosnick?

  And Elon is actually showing respect by calling it SI, super intelligence.

• 1:39:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:39:16Adam Sosnick?

  Not even AI.

• 1:39:17Patrick Bet-David?

  But what I'm saying to you, you're seeing that. And you know what they're starting to realize? What do you think they're starting to?

• 1:39:21Adam Sosnick?

  We're better together than apart.

• 1:39:22Patrick Bet-David?

  We need each other, buddy. And FYI.

• 1:39:24Adam Sosnick?

  Just the two.

• 1:39:25Patrick Bet-David?

  FYI, do you know how much money Elon just saved Trump that he needed to use for his PAC to get a Ken Paxton?

• 1:39:32Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Not the most exciting candidate.

• 1:39:34Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:35Patrick Bet-David?

  To be able to go against Talarico, which the left, this is a Obama-esque type of a guy that they're excited about. Minus the scandal that the last ten days he was missing, whatever the flu thing.

• 1:39:44Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, Talarico is the wife. Without the wife and without the kids.

• 1:39:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Very Tom guy.

• 1:39:48Adam Sosnick?

  Tom, where are you at with this?

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  He's a vegan.

• 1:39:50Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm gonna answer your question directly because that's a polite and professional thing to do.

• 1:39:54Speaker 02

  My apologies.

• 1:39:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Dave, I wasn't talking to you. Why would you think I'm talking to you?

• 1:39:58Speaker 02

  You're you're very polite, great guy.

• 1:40:00Tom Ellsworth?

  You're you're you're so insane. I don't understand you.

• 1:40:03Speaker 02

  You're crazy. You're triggered. You're triggered.

• 1:40:05Tom Ellsworth?

  So he saved Trump and the RNC, the national, a hundred million dollars.

• 1:40:10Patrick Bet-David?

  That's exactly it.

• 1:40:11Tom Ellsworth?

  Because that's your answer to your question. Now they can use that elsewhere.

• 1:40:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly. Exactly. And you know who shared that with me, which was, I want to, well, Brad Parscale is who brought that up. And I said, what a great point of what is going to happen here. So this is this is a saving for them of what's going on strategically for the RNC.

• 1:40:32Speaker 02

  Okay, I actually wrote this down because I thought you guys would like it. I had a guy on my show the other day, big hot shot. But like, honestly, Chuck Lorre, he made Two and a Half Men, Big Bang Theory, Sheldon. He's never missed, okay? He's he's on our notes through syndication. He's he did that speech against Trump. Yeah, but it was like, I don't know. I asked him about it. I was like, what the hell are you talking? But through syndication deals, massive syndication deals, he's worth over a billion, right? And so then I thought to myself, Elon Musk has one thousand, one thousand times more. But, okay, let me run the numbers for you because I prepared this.

• 1:41:14Speaker 02

  He's the first guy, he's the first showrunner to have four shows simultaneously top twenty ratings in television history. Okay, this guy's like, never had a bomb, okay? Billionaires make up.

• 1:41:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Great birthday.

• 1:41:30Adam Sosnick?

  Amazing.

• 1:41:30Speaker 02

  Whose birthday? Yours?

• 1:41:32Patrick Bet-David?

  The great team. We're born on the same.

• 1:41:33Speaker 02

  Now you love this guy. It would be your dad. Okay.

• 1:41:36Adam Sosnick?

  DVD, I just realized what date it is.

• 1:41:38Patrick Bet-David?

  What's that?

• 1:41:39Speaker 02

  It's your birthday.

• 1:41:40Adam Sosnick?

  Your birthday's coming up.

• 1:41:41Patrick Bet-David?

  No, my birthday's in two days.

• 1:41:42Speaker 02

  No, we have plans.

• 1:41:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Forty seven for two more days.

• 1:41:45Speaker 02

  Adam, we have plans, okay?

• 1:41:46Adam Sosnick?

  Sorry, guys.

• 1:41:47Speaker 02

  Okay, billionaires make up approximately.

• 1:41:49Adam Sosnick?

  Get Trump on the line?

• 1:41:50Speaker 02

  Point zero zero zero zero zero four two percent of the people on earth, okay? Trillionaires are approximately point zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero one.

• 1:42:07Patrick Bet-David?

  There's only one guy.

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:42:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Allegedly Putin or somebody.

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  Yes, maybe, but okay, but yes, there's only one guy. That's, okay, so like, imagine this, Chuck Lorre, he made Two and a Half Men. He would have to make twenty five thousand men to have, to have as much money as he's got.

• 1:42:25Adam Sosnick?

  That's funny as hell.

• 1:42:26Speaker 02

  Just like, think about it. Think about how much money, so to him, two hundred fifty million dollars, it's, yeah.

• 1:42:32Patrick Bet-David?

  So what are you saying though?

• 1:42:33Speaker 02

  SpaceX and Tesla are in Texas.

• 1:42:35Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, but wait a minute, go deeper with that. Go deeper with that because to me.

• 1:42:39Speaker 02

  He's the most powerful man on earth.

• 1:42:41Patrick Bet-David?

  It is, and and I, you know, I said this two weeks ago. I said, when I started getting calls from different chiefs of staff trying to get on the good side of Elon instead of Trump, I'm like, what are you, what are you, what are you talking about? This, you know, they would typically say the president of the United States is the, you know, most powerful man in the world. No, not, not, not with the direction this is going. This guy's building a flywheel, Vinnie, and a moat that everybody needs him. This guy's got moats on top of moats right now, Elon Musk.

• 1:43:15Speaker 02

  Do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing? Just for a government to be weaker than it is individual citizens.

• 1:43:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you, there is a.

• 1:43:22Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:43:22Patrick Bet-David?

  There is a, no, listen, you do know, you have an opinion on that.

• 1:43:26Speaker 02

  You think I do? You think I'm a secret communist?

• 1:43:28Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no.

• 1:43:29Speaker 02

  I'm not Hassan Pique.

• 1:43:30Patrick Bet-David?

  But but you, but but a point of it.

• 1:43:32Adam Sosnick?

  He's a French.

• 1:43:33Patrick Bet-David?

  A part of it is, we said this two weeks ago. If this guy's an evil man, holy shit, he's gonna have control of the world.

• 1:43:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:41Patrick Bet-David?

  If he is, okay? So there is that part where, you know, now Starlink is like, hey, some of your countries, I'll give it to you. Some of your countries, I don't give it to you. You're a pretty powerful guy right now. And hey, you know what, Verizon, AT&T and T-Mobile? Guess what? I'm gonna come after you. Day one, ten percent stock drops. Eight hundred megahertz, you know, company he's building, he bought for eight billion dollars. They're about to announce they gotta finish the paperwork up and he's gonna go after the telephone service business? This is a very, very powerful guy. So now the Democrats are gonna sit there and the Republicans are gonna sit there and they have to realize, who do the future presidents report to? Who do future world leaders need?

• 1:44:20Adam Sosnick?

  Elon Musk.

• 1:44:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Elon Musk. This is, this is, this is a very, very real thing. So guess what'd be a good time? If there's ever been a time where I've said, and the percentage is less than five percent, Tom. But if there's ever been a time where the left will want to take money out of politics, it's today.

• 1:44:39Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 1:44:40Patrick Bet-David?

  They've never wanted to. They were not open to it.

• 1:44:42Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:42Patrick Bet-David?

  But if there's, if there's ever been a time where people on the left are gonna be like, I think we need to take all this political business, money, the industry of politics, money out now, I think could be some time. Why? All the lobbyists, everybody? There's one guy you gotta go up against and he's got more money than you collectively. He's got more money than you.

• 1:45:03Speaker 02

  You shouldn't be able to buy politicians, right?

• 1:45:05Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm I'm with that.

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  It's a democracy.

• 1:45:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I fully believe that. I'm fully with that. That should have never happened in the first place. That should have never happened in the first place.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 1:45:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Should have never happened in the first place.

• 1:45:15Adam Sosnick?

  Let me just make one quick point on the citizen. Let me tell you, you know who I'm gonna call out right now? Ken Paxton. If you can't win in Texas against James Talarico with a newfound, look what I got, a hundred million dollars from Elon.

• 1:45:29Speaker 02

  Hundred fifty million.

• 1:45:30Adam Sosnick?

  Then maybe you shouldn't be the candidate guy.

• 1:45:32Speaker 02

  Well, what does that say about the party's people?

• 1:45:34Adam Sosnick?

  Everything is working for you and not against you. If you can't beat Talarico after he takes two weeks off with the flu and he's going woke and weird in Texas using mittens to eat beef, then maybe you're not the guy.

• 1:45:47Speaker 02

  Well, you're ready for this though?

• 1:45:48Adam Sosnick?

  I hope you win, sir, but if you don't, you can only blame yourself.

• 1:45:50Speaker 02

  But this is a bigger problem, I think, than that. Besides a hundred and fifty million dollars, this is just, this guy thought just Trump's endorsement is gonna make you win? Look at what's happening in Texas. I showed him before the show, this, the city, the big super city, Muslim city. This, are we talking about Texas? Hold on, no, no, hold on. This is a bigger issue. What the hell is happening with with Texas? Like, and like, by the way, I'm not talking, bashing Texans. They're not stupid people, Pat. Talarico is on camera multiple times. This whole town hall was a complete contradiction of every single policy and stance he's had. Can you play the, can you play the the SAVE Act one? By the way, this guy has been against the SAVE Act forever. What's that?

• 1:46:33Speaker 02

  The SAVE Act is for, just plain and simple, show your ID to vote in the United States, bro. And it's people like Chris Cuomo that that are, that was on the podcast. I was like, no, I don't think you, you shouldn't need, it's like, what are you talking about? And he's like pro Talarico as if he's cool with the transgender stance, the no ID stance, the open border.

• 1:46:51Patrick Bet-David?

  What does the Calci Talarico look like right now? Can we see that?

• 1:46:54Speaker 02

  He's up there.

• 1:46:54Tom Ellsworth?

  It is squeezing, if you guys could go back to one week, go to one week, please.

• 1:46:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, he's coming down a little bit.

• 1:47:00Tom Ellsworth?

  It's a little bit.

• 1:47:01Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the one week.

• 1:47:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Go to a month, go to a month.

• 1:47:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh huh. So you can see it's spread.

• 1:47:06Speaker 02

  Two to one.

• 1:47:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Not looking good for Paxton.

• 1:47:08Speaker 02

  No, it's not.

• 1:47:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Thirty million in there, by the way.

• 1:47:11Speaker 02

  That's Elon's money brought out.

• 1:47:12Patrick Bet-David?

  But but wait a minute, Elon's money just hit.

• 1:47:14Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:15Speaker 02

  It just hit.

• 1:47:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Elon money just hit, so.

• 1:47:17Speaker 02

  What's the last day?

• 1:47:19Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I, I, guys, if you, can you do me a favor? Pull up the Calci Pierre Poliev against Carney. Carney.

• 1:47:27Adam Sosnick?

  Who's that?

• 1:47:28Tom Ellsworth?

  It can happen.

• 1:47:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, if you can pull up the Pierre Poliev.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  No, it's not, thank God.

• 1:47:32Patrick Bet-David?

  You'll see the point I'm trying to make. If you pull up the Pierre, that's a tough one too. Just try to find it here in a minute while you're going through it. But there was a, there was a clip of Talarico being asked a question by this Catholic lady. Do you have that one or no? Can you find that one clip and then go back and find the Calci?

• 1:47:49Speaker 02

  And I'll set it up, Pat. He claims that the Bible is silent on a, a Bible is silent on abortion. And look at what this lady says.

• 1:47:58Speaker 02

  And and the Bible is silent on the issue of abortion. It means you and I both have to look at at different scriptures to try to come to a conclusion. And I just want to add that the Bible is not silent on abortion. There is the 10 commandments, thou shall not kill. And as Catholics, we take great insult, I guess, sometimes when it's spouted that way. But I also.

• 1:48:20Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, you see that this says CNN and Jubilee? Go back to the first five seconds.

• 1:48:24Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:48:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Go back to the first five seconds if you can.

• 1:48:26Adam Sosnick?

  This is to change my mind.

• 1:48:27Patrick Bet-David?

  So this is if you look, pause the moment it says change my mind. Pause, pause, pause right there. Pause right there. All the way at the top that says change my mind. Steven Crowder is suing CNN and Jubilee because he's had the patent on change my mind since 2017.

• 1:48:39Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:40Patrick Bet-David?

  And that's going to be a real lawsuit. You can't, you can't do that. Jubilee knows that CNN knows that even though they do a good job, go for it.

• 1:48:46Speaker 02

  Announce that we're suing. Maybe Jubilee has generated all of their profit off of a completely unoriginal idea, disguised it. And then the mask came off. Or maybe CNN suggested, well, you know what? Change my mind has more brand familiarity because billions of people have seen the meme and the video. So, so we don't know. We need to find out who flagrantly disregarded.

• 1:49:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 1:49:06Speaker 02

  The trademark, who flagrantly plagiarized, who profited off of it most and for what degree of time? So this, what you just saw.

• 1:49:14Patrick Bet-David?

  So whether he's going to go or not, he has a right to because they have the name. I will tell you this. Uh, I love what Jubilee does. I hope they continue to do what they do, but just you gotta, you gotta be careful with the name you're using because that's out there. So that's stuff that.

• 1:49:26Adam Sosnick?

  Has the most valid case ever. He has.

• 1:49:28Patrick Bet-David?

  I know he, of course he does. Of course he does. But, but even with that, you, you, you're seeing what's going on where a CNN is going to a YouTube channel. Hey Jubilee, we kind of have this idea. Can you come and, why don't we do the idea what we done with Jubilee? I love that that's taking place.

• 1:49:46Adam Sosnick?

  And let's just steal Steven Crowder's idea as well.

• 1:49:48Patrick Bet-David?

  It's great. Have you done it yet or no? You have to go do it.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  I was gonna do it, but, but then they, uh, it was, uh, Charlie Kirk happened and then they.

• 1:49:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you, you gotta do it.

• 1:49:57Speaker 02

  They pivot.

• 1:49:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Like you would do very well.

• 1:49:59Speaker 02

  But I did, no, but, no, actually, this is the only time I've ever like sincerely like been like, uh, so like.

• 1:50:04Adam Sosnick?

  What were you gonna go on?

• 1:50:05Speaker 02

  But like I was, I told them that I, I thought that, uh, bodybuilding, uh, culture, uh, leads to toxic masculinity. And I wanted it to be 20, uh.

• 1:50:14Adam Sosnick?

  Buffed that guy.

• 1:50:15Speaker 02

  Juice guys against one wimp. And I'd be like.

• 1:50:17Adam Sosnick?

  And you were the Jack guy?

• 1:50:19Speaker 02

  Girls, girls don't really care. They, I think you're, I think fashion muscles are gay. I don't really, yeah. But then just like roiting out on me, it would have been hilarious.

• 1:50:26Patrick Bet-David?

  That would have been hilarious.

• 1:50:27Speaker 02

  But then the Charlie Kirk thing happened and I think they wanted to be more serious.

• 1:50:30Speaker 03

  But, but to the, to the, to the point of, of who Talarico is, and I, and I hope, listen, the 150 million, I hope it hits and I hope it works. But just go off of what he said, God being non-binary, which he taught, he said, yeah, I said that. Yeah, he said that, that you have that clip where he goes, I was just being provocative. I think he.

• 1:50:45Speaker 02

  He's non-binary.

• 1:50:47Speaker 03

  No, no, watch it, watch this, watch this.

• 1:50:48Speaker 02

  First comment. What? About, um, about God not being defined by gender. When I said that I was being provocative and I want to admit that and come clean about that.

• 1:50:59Adam Sosnick?

  Who cares?

• 1:51:00Speaker 03

  No, but here, no, but here, no, here's my thing.

• 1:51:01Speaker 02

  You guys are clutchy pros.

• 1:51:02Speaker 03

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, time out, time out. How much have you heard and listened to who he is and what he's, what his history is and what he said? And now how he's contradicting himself?

• 1:51:10Speaker 02

  He's like, uh, yeah, he's like.

• 1:51:11Speaker 03

  He says transgender medical procedures for minors. Like, I don't, I don't care. No, no, hold on. Explain to me how you think, I'm not saying you, an individual, a grown man, that it's cool for a nine-year-old or a 12-year-old to be the consenting voice to say, yeah, I want to chop my crotch off.

• 1:51:26Speaker 02

  Is that what he wants?

• 1:51:27Speaker 03

  He's for transgendering my, hold on, for minors. He wants, no, no, here's my thing, here's my thing. This is just transgender medical procedures. He voted against Texas SB 14, which restricted puberty blockers, cross-sex hormones and certain procedures for minors. Voting against it, number one. Number two, said that there were six biological sexes in 2001.

• 1:51:47Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:47Speaker 03

  That's click, okay, that's, that's, hold on, he's batting two for two. Save America. He said, I, he said it's, it's hurting, he said it's racist to ask black people. You have that clip, Connor? It's racist. He was interviewing, a, a, a, a black gentleman was interviewing him. He says it is this, not, not this one, the, the one of the actual individual. This is where he, he backtracks, but he was, uh, speaking to a guy and he goes, it's racist to our black neighbors. Basically saying black people are too stupid to show IDs. That's, so that's three for three. And then he's cool for transgender athletes, boys competing with girls. Bro, and the list goes on and on. I just don't understand. Yeah, this is it right here. This is the SAVE Act.

• 1:52:27Speaker 02

  We as human beings have the right to shape our own destinies and we do that through the vote. And so many brave Americans, so many brave black Americans have fought and died for that right. And so for politicians in Austin or in Washington, as they're now doing with the SAVE Act, um, they are trying to rob our neighbors, particularly our black neighbors of those God-given rights.

• 1:52:49Speaker 03

  Because black, you know what that says?

• 1:52:49Speaker 02

  I have a track record of.

• 1:52:51Speaker 03

  No, no, you know that, that means black people are too stupid. That's what, listen.

• 1:52:55Speaker 02

  He said that there's probably a percentage of black people in the voting.

• 1:52:58Speaker 03

  Bro, there's white people that, there's people that are in God in Alabama, back, back in the backwoods that don't even have a driver's license.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  There's probably some advantage that, that serves Democrats.

• 1:53:06Adam Sosnick?

  Adam, I'm gonna give you your moment to shine.

• 1:53:08Speaker 02

  You think I'm debating, but I'm really.

• 1:53:09Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, I'm actually asking you a question.

• 1:53:11Speaker 02

  Just trying to understand, yeah.

• 1:53:11Adam Sosnick?

  Here's a question they asked Talarico, I'll ask it to you. Who's your favorite drag queen?

• 1:53:16Speaker 02

  Who's my favorite drag queen? RuPaul, she's the most famous one.

• 1:53:19Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, other than her.

• 1:53:20Speaker 02

  I don't really know anything about drag queens.

• 1:53:21Adam Sosnick?

  That's the point.

• 1:53:22Speaker 02

  So what?

• 1:53:22Adam Sosnick?

  He has a favorite. He goes, oh, my favorite drag queen, probably Alyssa Edwards.

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  Who cares?

• 1:53:27Adam Sosnick?

  How do you know names of drag queens?

• 1:53:28Speaker 02

  You guys are, I really don't care about any of those stuff.

• 1:53:31Adam Sosnick?

  But that's my point.

• 1:53:31Speaker 02

  You need a better one.

• 1:53:32Adam Sosnick?

  Know the names.

• 1:53:32Speaker 02

  You need a better one on this guy. Cause he's doing a good job in Texas. You need a better one. And he did good on Rogan. That's why he's doing well right now.

• 1:53:39Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, because.

• 1:53:39Speaker 02

  Would you agree, Pat? He did well on Rogan.

• 1:53:41Speaker 03

  Oh, he's a great.

• 1:53:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:43Speaker 02

  That's why he's, that's why he's leading. If you're trying to say that he wants to give all the kids a transition.

• 1:53:47Patrick Bet-David?

  There's two things, there's two things. There is marketability, super marketable.

• 1:53:52Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:53:53Speaker 02

  Is he?

• 1:53:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I think the left is using him. He's a star, he's everywhere.

• 1:53:56Speaker 02

  He's Christian and he's a progressive.

• 1:53:58Adam Sosnick?

  Gay Christian allegedly?

• 1:53:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But for somebody on the left to use, give me a bigger superstar than this guy on the left. Abdul Al-Sayed, what, what is the guy?

• 1:54:06Adam Sosnick?

  Who's killing it too?

• 1:54:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Him? Who, he's dealing with, uh, he's dealing with, uh, well, no, no, but he's dealing with, uh, no, no, he's dealing with the Muslim Brotherhood ties with his brother-in-law and all this, it's just a nasty. Oh, you haven't seen these tweets?

• 1:54:20Speaker 02

  In Egypt.

• 1:54:21Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, you haven't seen the tweets of what they said on October 7th? And this guy's full on tied to the Muslim.

• 1:54:26Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:54:27Speaker 03

  You want to hear this clip?

• 1:54:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you haven't seen?

• 1:54:28Speaker 02

  I haven't seen it.

• 1:54:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, don't.

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  You're living in a Brooklyn bubble, buddy.

• 1:54:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's stay on Talarico.

• 1:54:33Speaker 02

  Just not reading like. A Brooklyn bubble over here, bubble boy.

• 1:54:36Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's the thing with Talarico.

• 1:54:37Speaker 02

  Were you just reading?

• 1:54:38Patrick Bet-David?

  The part with Talarico, the part with Talarico is, Talarico would have been a superstar in California.

• 1:54:45Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:46Patrick Bet-David?

  A superstar in New York, a superstar in Illinois, a superstar in Michigan. He'd be a superstar in.

• 1:54:53Adam Sosnick?

  An ultra-blue state.

• 1:54:53Patrick Bet-David?

  An ultra-blue state. But I will tell you, if Talarico wins in Texas, it's a massive, massive statement.

• 1:55:01Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:55:02Patrick Bet-David?

  That the left can beat the right. In Texas, we can beat them anywhere. So this is the part where if I'm a Democrat campaign guy, and say I'm one of the behind the scenes power player like a Soros, not necessarily the guys you see all the time, the behind the scenes type of guys. If I'm one of those guys and I'm looking, you know what it's like? Milwaukee beats the Dodgers, they sweep them. You know what's one of the players said in the interview? You know what one of the guys said in the, in the interview? He said.

• 1:55:30Speaker 02

  Health insurance.

• 1:55:31Patrick Bet-David?

  He said, he said.

• 1:55:32Speaker 02

  Seriously?

• 1:55:33Patrick Bet-David?

  The fact that I watched, did, did the Dodgers sweep Milwaukee last year or something like that?

• 1:55:37Adam Sosnick?

  Yes.

• 1:55:37Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, when I saw the way the Dodgers celebrated after they beat us, I never forget that. You know what it was? They beat them like, yeah, you guys are nobodies. We're that dominant. And they walked off, oh my God, you know, like the typical Jubilee, that excitement, they got none of it. He says, I could never take that away from my mind on how they celebrated and when they beat us, there was no enthusiasm as if we're nobodies. We couldn't wait to paraphrasing, kill them. That's me saying kill them. He didn't say kill them, but you know what I'm saying?

• 1:56:05Adam Sosnick?

  Kick their butt.

• 1:56:06Patrick Bet-David?

  So what's the point?

• 1:56:07Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:07Patrick Bet-David?

  If I'm a Democrat, power player, dude, you, you beat Paxton, Texas with Elon money and Trump? Adam, that is cover of New York Times type of shit to come out and say, we got your best state with all the money of Elon and your Trump and MAGA. What do you have to say about that now?

• 1:56:30Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:31Patrick Bet-David?

  So to me, I would not be surprised if some of these guys, the power player guys like Soros and those guys are like, oh, really? Okay, let's put up 100 million dollars to help out Talarico.

• 1:56:40Adam Sosnick?

  Aren't most elections just the economy? To be being good or bad.

• 1:56:44Patrick Bet-David?

  It is, but this is Texas.

• 1:56:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 1:56:46Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Texas.

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  Robles, very low favorability.

• 1:56:48Patrick Bet-David?

  This is kinda like, this is like Hilton winning in California.

• 1:56:51Speaker 02

  Things are expensive right now.

• 1:56:53Adam Sosnick?

  You gotta give the Democrats credit for one thing. You know, you know how you can say, you know, you can't teach an old dog new tricks? The, the, the Republicans are running old dogs. And the Democrats are basically running these young little tricks.

• 1:57:07Patrick Bet-David?

  No, you're right.

• 1:57:07Adam Sosnick?

  The Maldonys of the world, the Al-Sayyids of the world, the Talarico's of the world. Whereas the Republicans are running these old conservatives who are 60 plus, Susan Collins in Maine.

• 1:57:18Tom Ellsworth?

  You're correct on one.

• 1:57:18Adam Sosnick?

  Do better, get better candidates.

• 1:57:20Tom Ellsworth?

  You're correct on, on a couple of things, but one thing that you're very correct on that stands out is how this is going to be used as a victory flag for the rest of what they're doing. There are really four things that are coming into the Talarico Paxton race right now. Number one, you said they ran old dude. The enthusiasm for Paxton as a candidate sucked even during the primaries where it was Republicans and Republicans. There was no enthusiasm, there was no intrigue, there was no battle cry, there was no real, real something, some bright light, some torch he's gonna carry, was it? Number one. Number two, the economy and the issues that you pointed out. Do you know what the intensity difference is for the American voter, specifically in

• 1:58:03Tom Ellsworth?

  the Midwest right now, between affordability and economy versus trans, abortion, everything else, even the Iraq war? It's 2X. In other words, when somebody says, "The economy is my number one issue," it's 2X, anything that's even close. So you could say, "Vinnie, correctly, he said this about trans, he said this about God." You're correct. He said all those things and there are voters that are annoyed by those things that are with Paxton. But Paxton's not enthusiastic. The intensity on the economy is 2X. So the third thing is that the list doesn't stick to him personally as much as it does to the policies. He said this about God, he said this, this, he said this, this.

• 1:58:46Tom Ellsworth?

  He's not like a criminal or a philanderer or a rapist or something that you can stick to him.

• 1:58:52Adam Sosnick?

  Just wants to train the kid.

• 1:58:53Tom Ellsworth?

  And then the last thing, the last thing, and this is something that we need to help educate the American people about. You ready for this? How important is a senator versus a governor to the average American voter? Really important. Five to one.

• 1:59:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you kidding me? Not even close.

• 1:59:09Tom Ellsworth?

  The governor, they think the governor is like five to one important because he's our guy here.

• 1:59:14Speaker 02

  Texas, they go every five years to work. It all stood.

• 1:59:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Correct, but you see the point? So when they're looking at, "Hey, Talarico could end up being our senator," they're not thinking about the Senate, they're not thinking of Supreme Court justice, you know, getting confirmed, they're not thinking about the things the Senate does. They're more worried about, "Well, we need our governor just like Florida needs the senators." The average American doesn't get as revved up. It's 5X more intensity for the governor. Put all that together and you know what? The left is gonna get a victory flag. I know it's a fake flag, Pat knows it's a fake flag, you know it's a fake flag, but they're gonna wave it and it's gonna look like a very real flag.

• 1:59:51Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, there's definitely a lot of flags.

• 1:59:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Because everything that comes together.

• 1:59:54Patrick Bet-David?

  I got a question for you.

• 1:59:55Speaker 02

  The economy is bad, so it's a real flag.

• 1:59:56Patrick Bet-David?

  I got a question for you. Do you think? Who put Talarico on the map?

• 2:00:03Speaker 02

  Rogan. Joe Rogan.

• 2:00:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's close friends with him that lives in the same city he lives in?

• 2:00:07Speaker 02

  Elon Musk.

• 2:00:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think Elon's called and said, "What are you doing?"

• 2:00:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe. Who knows?

• 2:00:13Adam Sosnick?

  I think, I hear what you're saying, but I don't know.

• 2:00:15Patrick Bet-David?

  I hope so.

• 2:00:16Adam Sosnick?

  I think Talarico was already on the map, that's how he got onto Rogan.

• 2:00:18Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no.

• 2:00:19Adam Sosnick?

  Meaning Rogan amplified what he was already doing, but if he was a nobody, he wouldn't have been on Rogan.

• 2:00:24Patrick Bet-David?

  The great thing about Rogan is he'll talk to anybody. And Rogan likes him a lot.

• 2:00:27Adam Sosnick?

  But we had already been hearing about Talarico before he got onto Rogan. It was like, okay, obviously.

• 2:00:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Not, not, not at, what are you talking, not at that level. There's a big difference between.

• 2:00:33Speaker 02

  What's the thing that's, because he's Christian, right? He's like a traditional Christian, but he's progressive. That's his, that's his brand, right?

• 2:00:40Patrick Bet-David?

  So the, so the point here is.

• 2:00:41Adam Sosnick?

  He's a leftist.

• 2:00:42Patrick Bet-David?

  The point here is, for the people, for the people in Texas who see this as a threat, this is one of those things where it's a, if you had to compare all the races that we have going on, which one do you put at the top? Election night?

• 2:00:57Adam Sosnick?

  This one. It's Texas.

• 2:00:58Patrick Bet-David?

  I think this is the highest one out of all of them. And by the way, for those of you guys that'll be joining us, uh, November 3rd on election night, on Monday, I'm gonna tell you who the panels are gonna be. Those of you guys that are members, you're gonna get a chance to meet the panelists. It's gonna be a ridiculous night. And on Monday, this Monday, we're gonna make a very unique announcement of what else is gonna happen, of what other places you're gonna be able to watch PBD Podcast on election night. It's gonna be bonkers. If you're not a member yet, go to BoardroomCigarLounge.com, become a member, put the link below, go to BoardroomCigarLounge.com. It'll only be members on that night. Everybody will need to go through the process before you can be there because it's gonna be security, cops, you'll see the whole thing, what we're doing. It's gonna be sick. I'm gonna show you some of that stuff on Monday as well.

• 2:01:42Patrick Bet-David?

  But let's go to the next story. White House Press Secretary, okay? White House Press Secretary, Katie Zachariah. I don't wanna spend a lot of time on this, but I'm gonna spend a few minutes on this. She comes out and she does her day one. A lot of people said it wasn't the best day one. Now, it's kinda hard to follow up on Caroline Levitt's, you know, uh, shoes, it's not easy because she did such a good job, but she came up, she did her day one, she got some criticism on the fact that she wasn't fully there when she was given some of the answers. She broke the story on what's gonna happen with Kimberly Guilfoyle. And then stories came up about attorney, uh, whether you're a lawyer or an attorney. And in one exchange, when Trump is there, I don't know if you have this clip, they asked Trump about Katie, whether she's a lawyer or an attorney, and Trump just turns

• 2:02:27Patrick Bet-David?

  around and says, "What are you?" And then she answers it. If you, if you wanna play this clip, go for it. I need audio. I thought she was very good. Watch this. I thought she was very good. Watch. She passed the bar exam. She said she's an attorney.

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• 2:05:15Adam Sosnick?

  Did she say China? That's no good.

• 2:05:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at the president. No, no, no, no, do me a favor, go back seven seconds? Go back seven seconds? Look what Trump is doing. Okay, go, go a little bit more, a little bit more, a little bit more before he turns around? Okay, watch what he does. He turns to her, okay, where he's saying, "You gotta, you gotta explain for yourself." Wait for this. He's looking at her because he's like, he's hoping the team probably filtered it out. Okay, but, but right there, you know what look that is on the president? That's a skeptical look. That's bad for the White House. That's a skeptical look. And then, on top of that, forget everybody attacking her, that's their job. They're supposed to attack the press secretary. It's not an easy job. I congratulated her, but it's a tough job to have. This is not a job you want to, you know, you go up, you're gonna have an easy time.

• 2:06:04Patrick Bet-David?

  She's married, she's got four kids, all this young kids. She's got, oh yeah, she's married with four kids and her husband's, I think in California, taking care of the kids. And so the deal was, if you're a lawyer, you're a JD, you're not necessarily a person that passed the bar exam. Attorney, passed the bar exam. Yesterday, Hannity grilled her on Fox. I don't have the clip to show it, I think it's like seven, eight minutes, so we're not gonna show the whole thing. But on Hannity yesterday, he's like, "Well, what about this? And what about that? And what about this?" And she was confronted. Now. They're done with her. That's the point. If it goes from here to Hannity, and Hannity is a friend? I mean, this is kinda like, hey, maybe this is Anthony Scaramucci 2.0, we gotta move on it.

• 2:06:46Speaker 02

  Spicy, remember spicy?

• 2:06:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, maybe this is like Anthony Scaramucci 2.0. How long is this clip that you have? I just wanna show a snippet of it, I don't wanna show the whole, okay, play the clip, go for it.

• 2:06:55Tom Ellsworth?

  I have only three questions in 14 minutes, and what might you do a little differently going forward? I can give you some unsolicited advice that's never gonna be a friendly room to you.

• 2:07:07Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, so what I would say is I would absolutely

• 2:07:11Patrick Bet-David?

  This isn't a clip, don't worry about it.

• 2:07:12Adam Sosnick?

  He doesn't have the sauce.

• 2:07:14Patrick Bet-David?

  In one of the clips, he says, "Why would you do that? Why did you do this? Why did you call yourself this?" And then there's a couple tweets that you retweeted that claimed that as if you're the attorney, people know this because you're not an attorney. And so Hannity was pushing her. And it's not like it was a game. And the question now becomes, Tom, what do you think happens next? Do you think she makes it past Scaramucci? Or do you think it happens before? I have my own opinions, I want to hear yours.

• 2:07:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Um, first of all, um, I think she handled this really poorly. You're going into a new job, there has to be clarity. You gotta know that everyone's gonna ask every question. And her first answer, "Oh, I, uh, it was in China." Her second answer, which I saw this morning, was that, "No, I did not pass the bar." And so she's sticking to what Pat quoted there is a correct definition that when you say lawyer, you don't always mean, by the way, and the key thing is always, you don't always mean, you know, pass the bar exam. If you say attorney, you know, attorney at law, you pass the bar exam under the guidance

• 2:08:18Tom Ellsworth?

  and with your law license now under the shingle of a law firm, a licensed law firm. And so she came out and said, "I did not pass it." But the use of the word lawyer and attorney now having to split it, Pat, that's a bad look. You're trying to split, "Oh, lawyer means maybe I did, maybe I didn't. Maybe I was just giving informal legal opinion from my position as having a law degree." You know, that's, to me, this was handled really badly.

• 2:08:47Adam Sosnick?

  It's her job to talk to the press.

• 2:08:48Tom Ellsworth?

  And you put the president in a bad spot.

• 2:08:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's my question for you. Who's this on?

• 2:08:55Speaker 02

  This is on the vetting process of the White House.

• 2:08:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think the vetting team knew? Do you think the vetting team, do you think she told the vetting? Do you think, no, but do you think the vetting team was told, "I did pass my bar exam"? If she told, by the way, if you told the vetting team

• 2:09:09Tom Ellsworth?

  They're done.

• 2:09:09Patrick Bet-David?

  That you passed a bar exam, you lied. Oh, bro, we just did an interview with a guy a few months ago, who claimed he went to a very prestigious school. And during the background check process, we went and called the school. And he went and never went to the school. And then we asked him, and I says, "I have my degree, I'll show it to you guys on Monday."

• 2:09:26Adam Sosnick?

  It's in storage.

• 2:09:27Patrick Bet-David?

  It's in storage, show it to us on Tuesday, Wednesday, oh, my dog, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. No, he never went to the school, he put on the resume. We're not gonna hire you.

• 2:09:34Adam Sosnick?

  Come on, player.

• 2:09:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so to me, one, how the hell did the vetting team not know? Two, if you lied to the vetting team, you're done. They're firing you in no time. Three, I don't think they fired her that quickly. Because I don't think Trump wants anybody but Scaramucci be the shortest ever to have the time of

• 2:09:51Adam Sosnick?

  She's already beat Scaramucci.

• 2:09:53Patrick Bet-David?

  What I'm trying to tell you is Trump intentionally wants to keep Scaramucci as the GOAT of that. They have a very strong beef with each other. And, you know, we've had Scaramucci on, he's a very smart guy himself, a capable guy.

• 2:10:03Adam Sosnick?

  Probably more capable of her than, but that's a whole, that's a personal.

• 2:10:05Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not even a comparison. But all I'm saying is intentionally, I think it's gonna be like, "How many days? Just make sure he stays as the GOAT." I think Trump is the vengeance type of guy.

• 2:10:15Tom Ellsworth?

  I agree with that.

• 2:10:16Adam Sosnick?

  That is very Trump.

• 2:10:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Adam, remember.

• 2:10:18Adam Sosnick?

  You know who this is on?

• 2:10:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Who?

• 2:10:20Adam Sosnick?

  It's on the vetting process and the vetting team. It's not like they had two weeks. She stepped down like three months ago. They've had three months to basically flesh this out and figure out, "All right, who do we want representing?" But by the way, if you look at everyone that he's hired to be the press secretary, it's all blonde, attractive women.

• 2:10:38Speaker 02

  Sarah Huckabee Sanders, was it?

• 2:10:39Adam Sosnick?

  I'm saying since

• 2:10:40Speaker 02

  He gets distracted.

• 2:10:42Adam Sosnick?

  Since Katie McEnany, Caitlin McEnany, he's realizing, "I want some attractive women up there." Sean Spicer, Huckabee, thank you.

• 2:10:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Another attractive blonde woman, Sean.

• 2:10:52Speaker 02

  Well, that's a good business move. It's like when you want to give people bad news, have it be a beautiful blonde girl because it's easier for the public to swallow it. Well, I mean, there's not that many good news.

• 2:11:01Adam Sosnick?

  Can we give somebody credit, though? Respect. Caroline Levitt was the GOAT. She was incredible.

• 2:11:07Patrick Bet-David?

  In her twenties.

• 2:11:09Adam Sosnick?

  I'm a Jen Sackey, man.

• 2:11:11Patrick Bet-David?

  In her twenties.

• 2:11:12Adam Sosnick?

  Then she'll be six foot. But Caroline Levitt, respect to you.

• 2:11:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, but like, uh, he's the CEO of the White House. Like, the buck stops with him. It's embarrassing for the president.

• 2:11:22Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't disagree.

• 2:11:23Speaker 02

  It's really embarrassing to him. And like, this lady sucks. You saw her on Hannity, she sucks at talking to the media. So how did she get this job?

• 2:11:32Patrick Bet-David?

  FYI, let me tell you. You know if I'm Trump? Let me tell you what would happen. Tommy, you know this. If I have a guy like Tom, whom he knows what I like and what I don't like, I'll empower him to make the decision. Right now, I say, "Tom, hire whoever you think's gonna be the good, whatever we need for this position." He's got a lot on the plate. He does, he's got a lot on the plate. I can tell you, this was not a decision that Trump went very deep in and did his due diligence on this. He entrusted somebody, and I can guarantee you I can guarantee you, there was one very painful, horrible call for somebody that took place.

• 2:12:15Patrick Bet-David?

  You do not F up like this with press secretary. You do not do something like this. And so, look, I mean, you know how the news cycle is? By Monday, everybody moved on. It's like, boom, we're going, look at the Dodgers, look at the this. But in reality, someone's gonna get that phone call.

• 2:12:33Adam Sosnick?

  How does he do it?

• 2:12:34Patrick Bet-David?

  How does who do it? You're funny.

• 2:12:37Adam Sosnick?

  How does he do it?

• 2:12:37Speaker 02

  We need a lady.

• 2:12:38Patrick Bet-David?

  That's you guys.

• 2:12:39Adam Sosnick?

  You met him before it. No, how does he read some of the right act? Like, how's he bring someone one-on-one?

• 2:12:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, he's, he doesn't hesitate. He calls, he's a phone call guy. He calls immediately and say, "Hey."

• 2:12:49Speaker 02

  You're done.

• 2:12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you doing? "I trusted you to get this vetting. What do we miss here on the vetting process? What are we doing over here?"

• 2:12:56Adam Sosnick?

  That's gotta be bad.

• 2:12:56Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the call you want to see. That's the call you want to see.

• 2:13:01Speaker 02

  He made a show about it.

• 2:13:02Adam Sosnick?

  Pat, this is my speculation, but don't you think that he personally selected this person?

• 2:13:07Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 2:13:07Adam Sosnick?

  If you're gonna be the person representing me?

• 2:13:09Speaker 02

  Doesn't make him look good.

• 2:13:10Adam Sosnick?

  Really?

• 2:13:11Patrick Bet-David?

  No way.

• 2:13:11Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:13:12Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't think so. I'm telling you, I don't think so. I don't think he selected her. By the way, you know, Levitt is kind of like, I see.

• 2:13:21Adam Sosnick?

  How you like me now, guys?

• 2:13:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Never, ever follow up a Levitt. Never. You know, you know what I actually think happened?

• 2:13:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Harold Minor.

• 2:13:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you what you just made me think about. Let me tell you what I think happened. Here's what I think happened. I think there were three more qualified people that got the call, who were way more qualified than Katie to get the call, but they all turned it down.

• 2:13:45Adam Sosnick?

  They said, "I don't want to follow that."

• 2:13:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Because they don't want to follow.

• 2:13:47Adam Sosnick?

  It's like following the best comedian.

• 2:13:48Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, I guarantee you that took place.

• 2:13:51Adam Sosnick?

  It's like following Vinnie when he goes on Def Comedy Jam.

• 2:13:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Unbelievable.

• 2:13:55Patrick Bet-David?

  I guarantee you that took place. And the other people are like

• 2:13:57Speaker 02

  You think they turned down the job?

• 2:13:59Patrick Bet-David?

  100%.

• 2:14:00Speaker 02

  Really? Trump has like rules like that.

• 2:14:02Adam Sosnick?

  I don't think you turn a job like that down, though.

• 2:14:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, you're, listen, you kidding me? How do you do, you, health, mom, can be out, it's one of those.

• 2:14:10Speaker 02

  He likes, like, for vice president, he picked a big position.

• 2:14:13Patrick Bet-David?

  It doesn't matter, you're not gonna take it after Levitt. There's people that are not gonna take the job after Levitt. So if we want to do one last, I'm gonna give you guys the options on the story because we got eight minutes and then we gotta wrap up. I got the Billy Crystal story, I got the Metallica story, I got the, uh, let me see here, I got the, uh,

• 2:14:28Adam Sosnick?

  The Billy Crystal story is intertwined with the

• 2:14:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I got the Fort Hood shooter story, or I got the 60 Minutes outlet being down 41%.

• 2:14:35Adam Sosnick?

  Billy Crystal, God.

• 2:14:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to the Billy Crystal.

• 2:14:37Tom Ellsworth?

  And then we got to wrap up with Dennis.

• 2:14:39Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I think that, that flows.

• 2:14:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's just wrap up with Dennis.

• 2:14:42Adam Sosnick?

  Well, that all flows.

• 2:14:43Speaker 02

  You said you had some thoughts.

• 2:14:44Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, let me go to this. Billy Crystal reveals personal strategy shattered his faith in God. Uh, this is Billy Crystal, which the man from Analyze This and a bunch of different things that he did, right?

• 2:14:56Speaker 02

  The jazz man.

• 2:14:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Such a great actor, you know?

• 2:14:58Adam Sosnick?

  When Harry met Sally.

• 2:14:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Billy Crystal admitted that a series of

• 2:15:01Adam Sosnick?

  I'll have what she's having.

• 2:15:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Billy Crystal admitted that a series You gotta let me read this. Billy Crystal admitted that a series of personal tragedies have shaken his faith. The comedian opened up with the devastation of losing his home, a lifetime of memories in the Palisades wildfires, as well as the profound grief he endured with the death of a close friend, Rob Reiner, which we all remember when that happened. On October 11th with CBS Morning, when asked whether he still has conversations with God, a topic he had previously referenced, this is what he had to say, go for it. Still, he says the body blows of 2025 have changed his outlook a bit. In 700 Sundays, you had conversations with

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  God. Have you been talking to God over these past couple?

• 2:15:40Speaker 03

  No, because I don't trust him.

• 2:15:43Speaker 02

  Are you serious?

• 2:15:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. Too many bad things have happened. The earth is in bad shape. This is a weird, scary time. So, no, not anymore.

• 2:15:57Tom Ellsworth?

  Tom, I think what's sad there is this is exactly the time you should trust God. The question on earth isn't whether bad things happen to good people, or decent people, or neutral people. The puzzle of earth is when good things happen to bad people. As long as you're on earth, this is a broken place. This is why all the world religions are trying to find a way out. And Christianity, Jesus Christ is that way out. From a broken earth and to find yourself. It's really, it actually hurts my soul because I enjoy his work. I enjoy what I've seen of him. I remember growing up and one of his early series was this thing called Soap.

• 2:16:38Tom Ellsworth?

  Where he portrayed a young little brother in this thing. And that's where I first came encountered with the genius of Billy Crystal and his acting. And I remember that so clearly. And it's just sad to see him saying, I don't trust God. It's not about trusting God. It's about knowing God and just trusting that he's always going to be there and he's there for you even when bad things happen. It makes me sad to see the as this perspective. I would hope that there's somebody close to him to put an arm around him and say, Billy, this is the time when you do trust God.

• 2:17:14Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, it's tough about listening to this. And Billy, you know, a lot of times, we have a relationship with these actors. Like you'll go to a certain place, right? When you think about these actors, especially Billy Crystal being one of the ones that we watch many times. Did you know this, Tom? You know, when he said that was the first thing I thought about? Who's watching? Out of eight and a half billion people in the world, who's watching him say that on the interview? You know who? Who the most important six people that are watching this? His two daughters and his four grandkids. Do you know how long Billy Crystal's been married? You ready for a fun fact? Would you call him an A-lister? I think he's an A-lister. Billy Crystal's been married for 56 years.

• 2:17:52Tom Ellsworth?

  Good for you, Billy.

• 2:17:53Patrick Bet-David?

  56 flipping years you've been married. Do you know how hard that is? To be in Hollywood, famous, funny like you, and you're married for 56 years like a Paul Newman.

• 2:18:02Tom Ellsworth?

  It's the Paul Newman record.

• 2:18:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the Paul Newman. You've been married for that long. So to me, you gotta be very careful. Yesterday, we were with Dennis Prager, and he's given his first public appearance since the accident that happened November 12, where he fell down and he became a quadriplegic right after the incident that took place to him, right? And yesterday, he comes up in the, do you have the picture to send us to the back?

• 2:18:24Tom Ellsworth?

  I actually sent them a video of this. This is when he just got on stage.

• 2:18:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, this is how he got on stage yesterday. It's a small little meeting. It's not a lot of people.

• 2:18:32Tom Ellsworth?

  200, 300 people.

• 2:18:33Patrick Bet-David?

  That's him and his beautiful wife, Sue. You can pause it right there. Okay? So, he's on stage and he starts talking. 30 minutes turns into almost an hour and a half. Afterwards, we had a conversation together because Dennis Prager, to me, you know, there's certain people you call great. I remember the first time I met Dennis Prager, when I did a Saving America show with KKRLA is what it was called in 2009, 2010. And Bob Hastings and Richard Kennedy are like, here's Dennis Prager. You gotta meet him. And Dennis Prager had a debate he did once with a guy named Frank Pastore. The late Frank Pastore, who passed away, was a Cincinnati Reds pitcher. And they had this conversation together, but he said a few things. He says, you know, you guys feel bad for me. He says, but you know, the moment I became a quadriplegic, you know what I realized? He says, I realized there was another guy out there named Charles Krauthammer.

• 2:19:17Patrick Bet-David?

  And he says, Charles Krauthammer, we watch him on TV, and we had no idea who he was. And we had no idea he had any health issues, but he was a quadriplegic. And he says, and you know the difference between me and, if you just go to his images, if you can go back and go to his images. He says, you know, the difference between me and Charles Krauthammer? Right there, top right. Just type that picture on the top right. Nobody would know. He says, I became a quadriplegic at 75. He said, he became a quadriplegic at 20 years old. After becoming a quadriplegic at 20 years old, his career takes off and never uses it as an excuse. He says, there's a few things I gotta tell you. In the meeting, by the way, two people's phones went off. I'm proud to say the first person's phone that went off was Tom Ellsworth.

• 2:19:59Patrick Bet-David?

  In the middle of the meeting, he loves just having the phone go off. It was a monumental moment.

• 2:20:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Wasn't as bad as the second one?

• 2:20:04Patrick Bet-David?

  When he was speaking.

• 2:20:05Tom Ellsworth?

  It wasn't as bad as the second one?

• 2:20:06Patrick Bet-David?

  But it was still the first. Tom set the tone for the second one.

• 2:20:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, Tom was the inspiration.

• 2:20:10Patrick Bet-David?

  He says something. He says, you know, I watch a lot of YouTube videos nowadays. And he says, you know what's the most thing I'm envious about? He says, people who have hands. To be able to touch the people that you love and just use your hands. He says, I don't have that. He says, when this happened to me, I had three choices. Death, depression, or perseverance. He says, I chose perseverance. He says, you know why? He says, because, his words, I don't want to die. I love life. I don't want to leave my loved ones. For many years, he says, I studied unjust suffering, which kind of goes back to what Billy Crystal was talking about. And I wrote most of my conclusions on unjust suffering 30 years ago on a book called Happiness, right, that he wrote about.

• 2:20:53Patrick Bet-David?

  And he says, I've always been more interested in what God wants from me, not what I want from God. And he says, the key to happiness, the mother of happiness is gratitude. He says, I'm always happy because I'm always grateful for the life that I've given, even now. He says, I believe that suffering is real. I never asked myself, why me since my accident? You know what he said? Instead of asking, why me? I constantly ask myself prior to the accident, why me? But he says, guess why I said, why me? God, why am I so lucky to have this life? Why am I so lucky to have this life? And he continues, expectations eliminate the most basic thing to happiness. The secret to happiness is gratitude. All grateful, all grateful people are happy people.

• 2:21:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And all unhappy people are ungrateful. What an interesting thing to say. Optimism, he goes into talking about optimism. He says, you cannot be happy. Look at the words on what he says here. This was my favorite part of the whole thing. You cannot be happy if your primary identity is a victim. If you view yourself as a victim, you cannot be happy. But you know what he said in that sentence, Vinnie? Let me read this one more time. Just please listen to this, folks. This is the most powerful part. He says, you cannot be happy if your primary identity is a victim. Then he says, even if you are a victim, you cannot do that. What a powerful thing. He says, my identity, he says, my identity is Dennis. I'm not a victim.

• 2:22:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Of all things I asked for when I was conscious was iced coffee. He says, the moment I became conscious, I'm like, can I get some iced coffee? And so his son had three different drinks in the back. He kept giving him sips to drink, water, iced coffee.

• 2:22:32Tom Ellsworth?

  Patrick, what's happening to you conservatives? This is a Hollywood millionaire, lead Billy Crystal complaining about a mansion getting burned down. And now you're feeling bad for him. Screw him. So many people around the world having so much worse than him.

• 2:22:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You're right.

• 2:22:45Tom Ellsworth?

  He's acting, oh.

• 2:22:45Patrick Bet-David?

  You're right.

• 2:22:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Why is it even in the news if Billy Crystal believes in God or not?

• 2:22:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Part of it is, a part of it is his environment. So let me wrap it up with this, and then I'll come to a couple of you guys, and then we'll wrap up. He said, I would give anything to wheel myself around.

• 2:22:59Tom Ellsworth?

  He can't even do that.

• 2:23:00Patrick Bet-David?

  He can't even do that because it's neck down. I've spent most of the last two years to breathe without a ventilator and to regain my normal voice. And he finally got it back. He says, I lost 80% of my income while my expenses have skyrocketed the last two, last two years. And despite all of that, I refuse to call myself a victim. On virtually any Sunday morning, Sue would be downstairs, except for this morning, she was upstairs. If she wasn't upstairs, she saw him fall. If she didn't see me fall, I would be dead right now. And the only reason is, is because I wanted to try my new razor that I bought because I'm too impatient to use a new toy that I bought. That's it. He says, it was impatience of wanting to use a new razor. And the last thing he says, Vinnie, this is so powerful.

• 2:23:44Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, you know what's the one thing that we have as human beings? He says, all we have is memories. Memories is everything to humans. You lose your memories, you're gone. No gratitude, no happiness, no memory, no gratitude. And last but not least, the pandemic of adult children was those who don't speak to their parents. Is how he said this message. So for me, with Billy Crystal, dude, you've been married 56 years. You got two kids, you got four grandkids. You're one of the most decorated actors of all time. Sell the next generation some gratitude. Instead of this victim, give me a flipping break.

• 2:24:22Tom Ellsworth?

  He could still see, he could, by the way, he has his vision, he could walk, he could talk. You're gonna sit, by the way, he's still crazy rich.

• 2:24:31Speaker 02

  Also, it's just this Hollywood ego that we have to even know about his belief in God.

• 2:24:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, like where the, I haven't.

• 2:24:36Speaker 02

  Poor me because the fire's gone.

• 2:24:38Tom Ellsworth?

  When's the last time, and a good point, because when's the last time you even heard the name Billy Crystal? Be honest.

• 2:24:43Speaker 02

  City slicker's full.

• 2:24:44Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't remember.

• 2:24:45Speaker 02

  Jazz bag, the jazz bag.

• 2:24:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But he's cemented.

• 2:24:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, no, absolutely.

• 2:24:51Tom Ellsworth?

  But to think God's sitting there looking at Billy Crystal going, I'm gonna ruin your whole.

• 2:24:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, keep it short, two minute. I gotta wrap up.

• 2:24:57Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I'll just say this. There wasn't a dry eye in the room yesterday. The fact that this guy, you know, came on stage. Quadriplegic showed up and gave not only a wise monumental type speech, but also with humor, the guy's the epitome of a mensch. Here's my prediction. He's going to be the most powerful speaker in America for the rest of his years because he has the, the, the, the know-how and also the, the, the wisdom to basically move America. But you know what he said? Cause there was a common theme there. The left is ruining America. He used at one point, the leftists are unhappy because they're ungrateful lowlifes.

• 2:25:34Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what he said. Yeah, he did.

• 2:25:35Adam Sosnick?

  Ungrateful lowlifes.

• 2:25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep.

• 2:25:36Adam Sosnick?

  And then speaking of God, Billy Crystal would do, would be very well-served to have one conversation with Dennis Prager, I guarantee you, because I went through my atheist phase right there and it's just not a good life. He said, don't feel sorry for me. He said, am I lucky to be alive or unlucky that I'm a quadriplegic? He can speak and still move people with his words.

• 2:25:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:56Adam Sosnick?

  He said this, he said, this is the most powerful thing for anybody that's, that's interested. I think, Tom, you got this. He said, the relationship with God. He says, everyone thinks like, you know, what, why didn't God do this for me? God, I, oh, God do this for me, please God, pray to God. He goes, no, no, no. It's what does God expect from you? Are you, are you using all your capabilities, all your skillsets to best serve the Lord above and the people around you? If you look at it that way, you'll understand where God is. He said, do not feel sorry for me. I've had an amazing life, sitting as a quadriplegic, do not feel sorry for me. So I'm so grateful that he's alive.

• 2:26:36Patrick Bet-David?

  And the conversation we had afterwards with him. And by the way, you know what he said?

• 2:26:40Adam Sosnick?

  We had a private moment with him.

• 2:26:41Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, you know, you're the last podcast I did. I think it was the last podcast that he did with us. And then he said, hey, I'd like to come back on the podcast.

• 2:26:48Adam Sosnick?

  Pat.

• 2:26:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you imagine we bring him up?

• 2:26:50Adam Sosnick?

  We walk in this room. Can I just say this? We walk in this room. I mean, this is his first speech in public. Pat walks in. They literally like, it was a, they, Pat, he wants to talk to you. He goes, Patrick, first thing, I'm so proud of you. I have to come on your podcast again. We're like, oh my God. Whatever you want, Prager, Aaron Prager, shout out to you guys. Respect to Dennis Prager. Incredible. What a man.

• 2:27:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Hey, much love to Dennis, to Sue, to the son, to the grandson, Daniel. We met Daniel and the daughter, granddaughter. DP3 was great. But anyways, Adam, great having you on. Enjoy. We start a little bit choppy, but we finish good. We appreciate that. And hopefully in the future, just remember flow. We can debate all that stuff, but it's the flow that matters.

• 2:27:33Speaker 02

  He said something very rude.

• 2:27:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam's a.

• 2:27:36Speaker 02

  Adam, you could, wait, you could apologize right now.

• 2:27:38Adam Sosnick?

  I've already apologized.

• 2:27:39Speaker 02

  You're being cowardly. No, no, no, you know what I'm saying.

• 2:27:41Patrick Bet-David?

  You almost ended that.

• 2:27:42Speaker 02

  You're being cowardly.

• 2:27:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, what was your YouTube?

• 2:27:44Speaker 02

  I want Adam to apologize. It's very rude.

• 2:27:47Adam Sosnick?

  Adam, do you want me to apologize again?

• 2:27:48Speaker 02

  No, you're not apologizing for what you have to.

• 2:27:50Adam Sosnick?

  I'm going to give you a hug after the show.

• 2:27:51Speaker 02

  I don't want a fucking hug for me.

• 2:27:52Patrick Bet-David?

  All right, we got to wrap up. Hey, Adam, the Adam Friedland Show. The Adam Friedland Show. We'll put the link below. Go support him. He does some very good interviews with Newsom, Mark Cuban, a lot of other guys. Uh, he's actually a very, very good interviewer. You got to give him the power. He's a very good job. God bless everybody. Have a good weekend. Take care. Bye, bye, bye.

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