SO YOU’RE TYPE A? Ft. Alli Bellairs | Episode 181

This week Alli Bellairs is on the show!! Alli and Drew debunk rumors on how the Bellairs met, talk Alli’s tattoos, being Type A vs. Type B, discuss The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives show, Drew once again defends Team Jeremiah, and so much more. Alli IG: https://www.instagram.com/alli_bellairs/ Alli Tiktok: https://www.tiktok.com/@alli_bellairs?lang=en Follow The Comment Section on IG: https://www.instagram.com/thecommentsection/ Shop Off-to-College at Amazon and save on college, save the everyday Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy https://acast.com/privacy for more information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  Welcome to 215 Maple Drive. We just put this property on the market.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Love the crown molding.

• 0:08Speaker 00

  Oh, wait until you see the walk-in closets and the bathroom tile.

• 0:12Speaker 01

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• 0:16Speaker 00

  No FiOS, but it looks like it's got cable. Let's check out the kitchen.

• 0:19Speaker 01

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• 0:23Speaker 00

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• 0:25Speaker 02

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• 1:02Speaker 04

  You know when people are like, "Your partner should not go through your phone"? I'm like, "I hope the fuck she does." Because I made a lot of plans and I have no idea when any of them are.

• 1:17Drew Afualo?

  Hey, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of the Comment Section Show, starring me, your fave, everybody knows me, who cares about me. Onto the guest today, we have the iconic, the legendary, the absolutely hilarious, Ally Billers.

• 1:31Speaker 04

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:32Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my God, thank you for coming.

• 1:33Speaker 04

  Honored.

• 1:33Drew Afualo?

  And you are so tall.

• 1:35Speaker 04

  Thank you for saying that.

• 1:36Drew Afualo?

  Ally wanted me to tell everyone that.

• 1:37Speaker 04

  Nobody's talking about that nearly enough.

• 1:38Drew Afualo?

  Nobody wants to talk about how tall you are.

• 1:40Speaker 04

  They hate to see it.

• 1:41Drew Afualo?

  They hate to see a bad bitch winning.

• 1:43Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:43Drew Afualo?

  They hate to see a tall, bad bitch, trust me, I know. Well, thank you so much for coming to the show. I'm excited to have you.

• 1:49Speaker 04

  I'm so excited to be here. Watching you, I've been a fan. I noticed that I did send you a DM in 2022, I think, so I've been on the you train.

• 1:58Drew Afualo?

  You did where?

• 1:59Speaker 04

  I've been waiting for you to get on the me train.

• 2:02Drew Afualo?

  Maybe I was nervous.

• 2:03Speaker 04

  You're right.

• 2:03Drew Afualo?

  Maybe I was playing hard to get.

• 2:04Speaker 04

  Right. Well, now we're here.

• 2:06Drew Afualo?

  Real game of cat and mouse you and I have been playing.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  Which one am I?

• 2:09Drew Afualo?

  I, I think we switched, reversed, both of us.

• 2:13Speaker 04

  You know the terms.

• 2:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, of course I do. I'm like, I'm as close as you can get without actually being there. One of my friends called me gay adjacent. So I just run parallels to it all.

• 2:22Speaker 04

  Right, you're on the plane.

• 2:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Yeah, I even talked, I told my friend Holmes recently on the show that I posted a cut down making fun of straight people.

• 2:31Speaker 04

  Right.

• 2:31Drew Afualo?

  With good children. I don't know if you're familiar with Joan Andrew.

• 2:34Speaker 04

  No, no, no. Oh, yes, of course I am.

• 2:36Drew Afualo?

  Yes, Joan Andrew, yeah. Well, I was talking to Joan Andrew and I was making fun of straight people. And I was making fun of them because I was saying like, talking to only and exclusively straight people can be exhausting and boring. And someone had commented like, yeah, let me just list the forty, like, the restaurants all I've been to my entire life for forty-five minutes.

• 2:54Speaker 04

  I am exhausted.

• 2:55Drew Afualo?

  Which is so funny.

• 2:56Speaker 04

  It's, sometimes when I listen to straight people, it's just fact, fact, fact, fact, fact. No, no opinion, just like, this exists.

• 3:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. It feels like when you're talking to like, a mom and then they're like, you know who died? No, I didn't know that.

• 3:10Speaker 04

  And don't bring it up that way.

• 3:13Speaker 04

  Also, not now.

• 3:14Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, now's not the time. But when I was talking about that, I did have quite a few people going, aren't you straight? Yes, which is why I can, I can make fun of them.

• 3:22Speaker 04

  Adjacent.

• 3:22Drew Afualo?

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• 3:51Speaker 04

  Adjacent.

• 3:52Drew Afualo?

  Straight adjacent, like.

• 3:53Speaker 04

  I, I had somebody tell me the other day, I saw this post, and they said that lesbian women need the relationship that straight women have with gay men, like, we need to have that with straight men. Sign me up for a war. Pick me anywhere else. Like.

• 4:09Drew Afualo?

  Um, I disagree.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  Women, women are still with men and somehow we get put with men now.

• 4:15Drew Afualo?

  They're like, well, you guys have a lot in common. You go over there. No, I think men need less friends and more time out.

• 4:23Drew Afualo?

  They need to be put in time out.

• 4:24Speaker 04

  In a corner.

• 4:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, somewhere. Just go, go stand there, think about your decisions, think about your choices.

• 4:30Speaker 04

  There's, they say male loneliness.

• 4:32Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  I'm like, there's not enough of it. We need a lot more seclusion and we need a few islands.

• 4:38Drew Afualo?

  That's like that joke. I saw a meme where it said, men suffer in silence and quotes. And then it said, then why am I always hearing about it? Which I, that's one of those jokes where I'm like, fuck, I should have made fun of, I should have made that one.

• 4:49Speaker 04

  And also when, about what? What are they going through? Tell, tell me one thing, ever.

• 4:54Drew Afualo?

  I did see a TikTok recently where a girl was saying like, it's crazy, like thinking about, you know, misinjury as a whole, or like the red pill movement, like them saying misinjury, calling women misinjuries. Cause men of all races and all backgrounds have been enslaving and raping and killing, uh, women for hundreds of thousands of years, like literally across time. But sometimes women can be mean.

• 5:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  I posted, I posted, I said, the men are terrible. And like the worst man, you know, has done the most heinous crimes ever. And I posed, I said, and the worst thing a woman can be is a nurse. She's like a little bit mean. The nurses came at me and they were like, we're healthcare heroes. I was in nursing school. So I'm like, I know.

• 5:38Drew Afualo?

  I know that.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  What I'm saying is they rape and murder and we're a little mean sometimes.

• 5:45Speaker 04

  We don't put the napkin on our lap.

• 5:47Drew Afualo?

  That's the greatest offense we could commit is being mean. Trust me. I know. I hear about it all the goddamn time.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  Criminal.

• 5:53Drew Afualo?

  God, every time, every fucking time. I've even said recently, like those like moving posters in Harry Potter, fuck Harry Potter, but like those moving posters things, like the one with Sirius Black when he's screaming, those are of me on Reddit.

• 6:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 6:06Drew Afualo?

  Like they're talking about me and I'm going.

• 6:09Speaker 04

  They are.

• 6:09Drew Afualo?

  Gooning.

• 6:10Speaker 04

  They give you such a hard time. You know what I love about you? Decentralized men. You can be in a relationship, you still decentralized this hierarchy of just like.

• 6:18Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 6:18Speaker 04

  Men are great. You're like, well, I don't know.

• 6:20Drew Afualo?

  Well, and you know what? Obviously my sister's a lesbian. And we know, congratulations, let's give it up for her.

• 6:26Speaker 04

  We got one!

• 6:27Drew Afualo?

  Yes, thank god. And I, I find like the lesbian perspective of men so fascinating because they don't give a fuck about men at all. Like literally you could never see one and it would be the best day of their life. And too soon. Like if you never saw one ever.

• 6:42Speaker 04

  You don't need, I think you realize how much you don't need them.

• 6:44Drew Afualo?

  Right, that's what I'm saying. Like, and I, that's why I'm saying like, de-centering men is actually very possible for anyone regardless of how you identify. Lesbians have been doing it for years.

• 6:53Speaker 04

  Right.

• 6:54Drew Afualo?

  Like, they, they, they truly never want to see them ever again. And I admire that.

• 6:58Speaker 04

  We have a whole group of lesbians who are fixing cars. Because we say, listen, we, we're not going there anymore. His prices are insane, we're not doing it anymore.

• 7:06Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and I have like, so many lesbians on my team and that's why shit gets done.

• 7:10Speaker 04

  Right.

• 7:10Drew Afualo?

  Shit gets fucking done on my team, that's why.

• 7:13Speaker 04

  Who is the NFL player who has an all-female team?

• 7:17Drew Afualo?

  Oh, Jalen Hurts.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:18Drew Afualo?

  He's a quarterback for the Eagles.

• 7:19Speaker 04

  Skin looks flawless, okay?

• 7:21Drew Afualo?

  All women, yeah, exactly. I know shit's gonna get done.

• 7:24Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 7:25Drew Afualo?

  I know, I can trust it.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  With women, we have everything.

• 7:27Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. And I was, I just was laughing about this in the car with my sister. Cause I was talking about, do you know The Summer I Turned Pretty? Have you watched that show?

• 7:35Speaker 04

  Oh, I'm re-watching it right now. I'm re-watching it.

• 7:38Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, I love, have you watched the new season?

• 7:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, oh, of course. I'm re-watching it to figure out how the hell anybody's Team Jeremiah.

• 7:45Drew Afualo?

  What the fuck? Are you serious? Hold on. Don't even get me started, cause then that's the whole episode, that's all I'm gonna talk about. Okay, so I am Team Jeremiah. This is me, being honest.

• 7:53Speaker 04

  This is me with, this is me with a gun.

• 7:57Speaker 04

  This is you being honest and this is me with two guns.

• 7:58Drew Afualo?

  I'm toeing that line for my Team Jeremiah girls. I'm toeing the line. They will not move me.

• 8:03Speaker 04

  You know what it is, because you love a bisexual. You're like, hey.

• 8:08Drew Afualo?

  I'm rooting for gays no matter what.

• 8:10Speaker 04

  There's no chemistry, but you're like, he's bisexual.

• 8:13Drew Afualo?

  A straight guy with a f- who's a doctor, yeah, get out of here. Hate crime waiting to happen.

• 8:18Speaker 04

  The privilege!

• 8:19Drew Afualo?

  I said, femicide, I know it. I know you're driving that shit.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  He's, he's, he's going to be a doctor because his mom died of cancer and you're like, still terrible.

• 8:28Drew Afualo?

  That's in important context that we're not factoring out.

• 8:31Drew Afualo?

  And you know what's funny is like, I was literally like, I'm not even, I'm getting all twisted up in my words because I'm getting passionate.

• 8:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 8:37Drew Afualo?

  I was like raging about it to my sister because I do think they made Jeremiah so fucking corny this season.

• 8:42Speaker 04

  He's so insufferable.

• 8:43Drew Afualo?

  I said, they nerfed him bad. They're like, you're gonna hate this guy. You're gonna hate this guy.

• 8:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 8:47Drew Afualo?

  Which the propaganda will not work on me.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  They're like, look, he's fun. He's singing along in the car. He's like got the lyrics pulled up.

• 8:57Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, meanwhile, minutes before he gets yelled at by his dad on the phone.

• 9:00Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 9:01Drew Afualo?

  On speakerphone.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  Also, what?

• 9:02Drew Afualo?

  In front of my bitch.

• 9:03Speaker 04

  He's right. Okay. She's drying up.

• 9:08Drew Afualo?

  Dad, you're killing my fucking game.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  In his Jeep Wrangler. I'm like, this is. It's too gay. They took all the stereotypes. They're like, he's singing Maroon 5.

• 9:20Drew Afualo?

  And you know what? When I was watching it, I was literally telling my sister, I was like, they've made him so gross. I said, making him a dirtbag cheater, that's one thing. Making him cornball city, I'm pissed off. I was like, why would you do that to my guy? He's so fucking corny now. And I said, now he's like this gross, douchey, like, just straight dude. And I said, he's this guy in pictures.

• 9:43Drew Afualo?

  Do you know the guy I was talking about? And my sister immediately goes, don't ever do that again. And then I go, I'm not doing it. I'm telling you, that's the guy.

• 9:52Speaker 04

  I need that freeze frame. I need that freeze frame, my background right now, you doing that. Hello?

• 9:57Drew Afualo?

  And I was laughing because I was like, you know that guy? Like in the pictures, they're like, do a silly face and then that's what they do.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  He puts his hands on his knees and sticks his butt out.

• 10:07Drew Afualo?

  And there's kids here.

• 10:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 10:09Drew Afualo?

  Like, I just think you're that guy. And that's how I see every straight guy.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  Okay, and not to, not to dive into it, because we're here now and I'm in the deep end and I'm drowning.

• 10:18Drew Afualo?

  Let's.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  But they also said, he was like, oh, I just sat in the bathroom and cried for 12 hours and then, and the homie looked at me and she goes, but he cheated twice, right?

• 10:29Speaker 04

  So you like, you fucked and then you cried and then you fucked again.

• 10:32Drew Afualo?

  And then I'd get one more and then I, I, maybe I'll cry after that.

• 10:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 10:37Drew Afualo?

  No, when she walked in and found out he wasn't gonna graduate and he was all curled up like that, I said, ick.

• 10:42Speaker 04

  Ick. Get it together. God damn.

• 10:45Drew Afualo?

  Pull yourself together.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  He's got a rich family.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  Get it.

• 10:49Drew Afualo?

  Sorry, I want to have fun, Dad.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  Dad, I was partying too hard. It's like you're, you spend every summer in New York, New York, right?

• 10:57Drew Afualo?

  No, North Carolina, I think. Cousins?

• 11:00Speaker 04

  Massachusetts.

• 11:02Drew Afualo?

  We don't even know. We haven't even seen the show.

• 11:03Speaker 04

  How about the crowd?

• 11:05Drew Afualo?

  We have no idea.

• 11:05Speaker 04

  Right. We're for the bisexual though.

• 11:09Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying. I'm rooting for y'all. I'm rooting for, for the gays constantly.

• 11:13Speaker 04

  I think an important part of that is being gay culture is knowing that sometimes we don't root for all gays. You know, like sometimes it's like, well, he's still missing. My favorite part of media, like watching media from like the early days is we got to pick who was gay. Nobody told us, you know, we were just like, Anna Kendrick is acting pretty frisky in the red ball.

• 11:34Drew Afualo?

  That bitch is gay.

• 11:35Speaker 04

  Right. And I got to tell people, but now they're telling me and I'm like, nah, not true.

• 11:40Drew Afualo?

  I'll take this back to the council, but it's not looking good. I don't think you're gonna get approved.

• 11:44Speaker 04

  Like in Sex and the City.

• 11:46Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 11:46Speaker 04

  When they, when, back in the day in the 2000s or whatever, whenever it came out, we got to decide which of the four were gay. And now they're like, it's Miranda. And I'm like, well, it doesn't have to be the redhead always.

• 11:58Drew Afualo?

  With the short hair. It doesn't have to be her.

• 12:00Speaker 04

  God forbid she's a lawyer. She can be a powerful woman.

• 12:05Drew Afualo?

  They're like, well, she can't be that good at her job and not gay. So obviously you gotta make her gay.

• 12:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 12:11Drew Afualo?

  I think that's so funny that you watch that show. I feel very seen by you.

• 12:14Speaker 04

  I watched like anything that's like you would not expect, like reality TV.

• 12:19Drew Afualo?

  You a big reality TV fan?

• 12:20Speaker 04

  Huge.

• 12:21Drew Afualo?

  Did you watch Love Island?

• 12:22Speaker 04

  Of course I did.

• 12:23Drew Afualo?

  I didn't, but I did. I felt like it was being shoved on me. I felt like it was being, I was being beat over the fucking head with it.

• 12:29Speaker 04

  That's how they take gay people. Christians take gay people. They're like, it's everywhere. It's in the bathrooms, on our television.

• 12:37Drew Afualo?

  Me to Love Island, I'm like, I don't care what you do behind closed doors. I just don't want to see it.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  Don't do it in front of the kids.

• 12:42Drew Afualo?

  Also, the way they sleep in Love Island, I like described them to my sister. I was like, those are like army barracks. Like just next to each other like that. You guys get up at dawn when you hear the trumpet?

• 12:52Speaker 04

  They put the sunglasses on them? Like, like, what, what is the lighting in there that they're?

• 12:58Drew Afualo?

  I don't know. It's so strange. Also, I think making me have my belly out the whole time, you're crazy.

• 13:05Speaker 04

  No swimming?

• 13:06Drew Afualo?

  No, no swim shirt?

• 13:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 13:07Drew Afualo?

  I don't get to put a big t-shirt on once.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  And the heels too. I think about the heels always.

• 13:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're crazy.

• 13:13Speaker 04

  Those toes are clenched up. By day three, they're like crawl.

• 13:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and my belly's out. That's so fucked up. What's your favorite reality show as of right now?

• 13:22Speaker 04

  Right now? Oh my gosh, you know what I'm watching? The old school episodes of Millionaire Matchmaker? Like LA old school?

• 13:30Drew Afualo?

  I actually, what's her name? The, the host?

• 13:33Speaker 04

  Patty?

• 13:33Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I met her at the premiere of Materialist. I interviewed her. I interviewed her and she was very nice, but she was very like, I love a movie about matchmaking. It is a business. I was like, right, right.

• 13:47Speaker 04

  She's like, it's her job and her person. It's everything to me. I wake up, I think about it.

• 13:55Drew Afualo?

  That's all she talks to. That's true.

• 13:57Speaker 04

  You know, because you go through these phases when we're online that I think you've had to take some breaks too, that you're just like, this is like all a little too much. I feel like everything I say, somebody, you know, you say like, in this recipe, we're gonna use eggs. And somebody's like, well, I'm a lawyer.

• 14:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and you knew that, and that's fucked up.

• 14:13Speaker 04

  And I'm like, well, don't do the recipe.

• 14:17Drew Afualo?

  Scroll, scroll.

• 14:17Speaker 04

  There you go. Look at me.

• 14:21Speaker 04

  But like, so sometimes I like to watch like the old school stuff because they say the most wild shit.

• 14:27Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god.

• 14:28Speaker 04

  Patty hates gingers in it. She like hates, the guy's like, oh, I'm into redheads. And she's like, disgusting.

• 14:35Drew Afualo?

  She's got a lot to say about it.

• 14:36Speaker 04

  She puts like the girls together and it's like all blonde girls. And she's like, pick one. And he's like, no, I like redheads. And she's like, ugh.

• 14:43Drew Afualo?

  She's like, um, well, kill yourself.

• 14:46Speaker 04

  She's like, what would you like about them?

• 14:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, she's like, ew, gross, on live television.

• 14:50Speaker 04

  Ugly, yeah. And she like, it's just like, it's like watching, um, what is the modeling show from back in the?

• 14:56Drew Afualo?

  Oh, America's Next Top Model.

• 14:57Speaker 04

  It's like, sometimes you just gotta go back and watch.

• 14:59Drew Afualo?

  Oh my god, I know. There was like, I remember, because my sister and I used to love that show too. I remember there was a photo shoot theme where they switched races. They literally made like white girls like African, they like tanned their skin way too dark. They like put them in wigs, like shit like that. I was like, this is the worst thing I've.

• 15:18Speaker 04

  Who approved it? Just blindly approved.

• 15:21Drew Afualo?

  We watched, I rewatched, um, or tried rewatching Vampire Diaries recently because I loved that show back in the day. I was trying to make my man watch it with me. And like the very first episode, when she walks into the school for the first time, Bonnie says literally a transphobic slur. But she's like describing herself. And then she just says that and I was like, oh. This fucking show. Oh my god. This is on the CW?

• 15:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, sometimes with those shows, you like just have to keep it at, we watched it when I was sixteen.

• 15:49Drew Afualo?

  They're like, oh, so I can't go that far back.

• 15:50Speaker 04

  It like ruins the magic.

• 15:52Drew Afualo?

  I agree. And also speaking of reality and like, reality TV specifically and what it used to be like back in the day, I was just telling my man the other day that they could never recreate something like Jersey Shore. Like the, the OG Jersey Shore, like I never really cared for reality TV, but I loved Jersey Shore.

• 16:10Speaker 04

  People are too aware now.

• 16:11Drew Afualo?

  I agree. And there's too much to be like one after in their mind. I feel like being an influencer or being famous online is like something you could incentivize to win this time, but like back then, they just had cameras in a dream.

• 16:23Speaker 04

  They went to the show and they were paid no money. They just said, fuck it.

• 16:27Drew Afualo?

  They were like, free summer at the fucking shore. Great, I'm in.

• 16:30Speaker 04

  Selling t-shirts by the shore. Hell, yeah.

• 16:34Drew Afualo?

  They literally were just fucked up all the time and working and then cameras in the house, that's it. And I was like, god, they could never recreate this.

• 16:40Speaker 04

  Everybody on staff had to be chill too. Like, nobody could go, nobody could go to HR.

• 16:45Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like literally ever, because then you're all going down. At that point.

• 16:49Speaker 04

  You couldn't be like, I saw some pretty inappropriate stuff. You just had to sit there and film and pray.

• 16:54Drew Afualo?

  I know. My sister told me that she was telling you to watch The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

• 16:57Speaker 04

  And did.

• 16:58Drew Afualo?

  And did you like it?

• 16:59Speaker 04

  You know, I.

• 17:03Speaker 04

  I'm fascinated by straight people. I am.

• 17:05Drew Afualo?

  You mean both, honestly.

• 17:06Speaker 04

  I mean, sometimes when I watch the dynamics, I'm just like, this works for some people and I've never thought of it this way. I had bout, you know, my boundaries are a little bit different.

• 17:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they are. They're vastly different.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  But you know what's fun is they know, like they know, they know, they're be, they're doing what they need to do.

• 17:26Drew Afualo?

  That's very true. I've joked about that with these because I'm like, I couldn't relate less to these women. Like when I watch shit like that, I don't know any of their names. I do know that many of them follow me and are fans of mine, which I was like.

• 17:37Speaker 04

  Rightfully so.

• 17:38Drew Afualo?

  Period. But honestly, bitchy white girls love me.

• 17:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 17:41Drew Afualo?

  A bitchy white girl, she's gonna love me.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  They're like, fight back. Fight, fight Drew.

• 17:49Speaker 04

  You're like, you say something, they're like, no.

• 17:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they, they love me kinda like how people love gorillas in the zoo. Like, they're like, oh my god, throw it again.

• 17:57Speaker 04

  Right.

• 17:58Drew Afualo?

  Do it again, look how big it is.

• 17:59Speaker 04

  See what it does when you pound the glass.

• 18:01Drew Afualo?

  It's putting its butt on the window, that's crazy. That's how they look at me.

• 18:04Speaker 04

  Take a picture.

• 18:06Drew Afualo?

  Take a picture with me, and then when I hit the glass a little too hard, they get scared.

• 18:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, right.

• 18:10Drew Afualo?

  That's what happens to me.

• 18:11Speaker 04

  Right.

• 18:11Drew Afualo?

  The off-topic, but not really, uh, when I was in therapy once, I was talking to my therapist about, I was like, telling her, like, how I struggle with being perceived sometimes, kind of like what you were saying earlier. And I was telling her, I don't know, sometimes I feel like an animal in the zoo. And I feel like they're all watching me, and then they get mad when I'm not enjoying my enclosure.

• 18:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 18:29Drew Afualo?

  They get annoyed with me.

• 18:29Speaker 04

  They're like, we're watching the fucking swing.

• 18:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. We put that peanut butter ball in there, and you haven't touched it once.

• 18:34Speaker 04

  You're banging your head against the glass, and they're like, doesn't even appreciate the fucking swing this one.

• 18:40Drew Afualo?

  I made a joke once, and I was like, I feel like the fucking, the whale in Blackfish, like, telecom or whatever the fuck. Where I'm studying their patterns, and then I'm gonna kill them eventually. Did you ever watch that documentary?

• 18:50Speaker 04

  No. Jason hasn't told me about it yet.

• 18:53Drew Afualo?

  She's my source for shit like that, too, to be honest.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  She's feeding me, she's feeding me.

• 18:56Drew Afualo?

  It's a crazy documentary about how they treat the animals at SeaWorld terribly. But when they're studying killer whales specifically, they, killer whales are really smart. So they noticed that, literally, he was going insane in there. So he got mad, and started holding grudges against the trainers. I'm not even kidding, I'm not joking. And then he started studying how they swam and their routine, and then he, like, literally killed them because he was planning. And that's me.

• 19:21Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm going insane, but I'm also fucking watching all of them.

• 19:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, but I'm also clocking a pattern.

• 19:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 19:26Drew Afualo?

  And my therapist, when I was talking to her about it, she was like, well, you know, even when you see animals that are enjoying their enclosure, like, that doesn't mean they were meant to be in there. So like, it's acceptance, whatever. I was like, right, right. And she goes, also, like, you know, uh, situations like that are known as, like, double binds, where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. She goes, they do tend to, tend to trigger psychosis, specifically in women. And I said,

• 19:45Speaker 04

  Thanks. Hey, any other notes, doctor?

• 19:48Drew Afualo?

  And I was, she, that was the end of her sentence, and I said, oh, so I feel crazy, cuz I am going crazy.

• 19:54Speaker 04

  I hate when they just leave you with things.

• 19:56Drew Afualo?

  And they're like, so same time next week?

• 20:00Speaker 04

  Hey, I'mma leave you with that.

• 20:03Drew Afualo?

  But speaking of our jobs making us go crazy, how did you get into content creation initially?

• 20:08Speaker 04

  Um, so I think originally I started posting videos because my friends were like, put that shit online. Because I'm not going to hear about it anymore. We've heard the joke.

• 20:16Drew Afualo?

  They said, "Talk to yourself and post it."

• 20:18Speaker 04

  We've heard it all. We've heard it. Try somebody else. And then, when I think about this, like, I know that at some point, I had Lil Jon. Like, he reposted one of my videos and it went crazy. Because I was like, what does milk the cow mean? And I like got on all fours and he was like, "Skeet, skeet, skeet, skeet." And I was like, "Thank you, Lil Jon."

• 20:39Drew Afualo?

  When I see you, I think Lil Jon.

• 20:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, thank you for saying that. A lot of people say that. You're not the first. But then I had Simone Biles, like, followed me and I was like, this is actually, I die here. I tried to commit suicide two times because I was like, this is as good as it gets.

• 20:55Drew Afualo?

  Well, that's it for me.

• 20:57Speaker 04

  So, yeah, I really started creating videos like at the end of college and I didn't think it would be anything and then I was silly.

• 21:03Drew Afualo?

  When did you graduate from college?

• 21:05Speaker 04

  I was supposed to graduate in 2020. But COVID messed things up and also my 2.1 GPA.

• 21:12Drew Afualo?

  I think it was fucking COVID.

• 21:14Speaker 04

  Like, all these factors. Who's to say?

• 21:16Drew Afualo?

  There was a lot going on at the time.

• 21:17Speaker 04

  Like, sorry.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  What's your Jeremiah? I partied too hard. Sorry, Dad.

• 21:23Drew Afualo?

  So that's why you hate Jeremiah, because you are Jeremiah.

• 21:26Speaker 04

  Right, of course. I hate what I am.

• 21:28Drew Afualo?

  He's a mirror.

• 21:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, yeah, then I started creating videos. And then, yeah, that's really, the rest is.

• 21:34Drew Afualo?

  And now you're doing stand-up?

• 21:36Speaker 04

  I am trying.

• 21:37Drew Afualo?

  How has that been?

• 21:38Speaker 04

  Intimidating.

• 21:39Drew Afualo?

  It is very scary. I agree with you on that.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  I'm like used to looking in the mirror and like, I'm good with that, but looking outwardly for everybody's, um, opinions is weird. Because I'm like, well, I don't respect what you say.

• 21:54Drew Afualo?

  You're so mean.

• 21:54Speaker 04

  I don't agree with a lot of you. Like, I have this natural urge to fight back.

• 22:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 22:01Speaker 04

  So I'm loosening up.

• 22:02Drew Afualo?

  I'm very familiar with that feeling.

• 22:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 22:04Drew Afualo?

  So, I get it.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  Right.

• 22:05Drew Afualo?

  Trust me.

• 22:06Speaker 04

  I'm loosening up. But I've also met some, people have been so great since we've moved to LA. Like, I've, I've had so many mentors now.

• 22:14Drew Afualo?

  Oh, that's so nice.

• 22:14Speaker 04

  Who are offering advice, and I'm just trying to be a sponge.

• 22:18Drew Afualo?

  That's really, no, that, that, I feel like is half the battle, is just being willing to listen.

• 22:22Speaker 04

  Right.

• 22:22Drew Afualo?

  Cause when straight men get up there and don't take any fucking notes.

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 22:25Drew Afualo?

  You're like, well, I could do that.

• 22:26Speaker 04

  It's, hello? I see a straight man do it, and I'm like, okay, why am I even nervous? I think there's this pressure to be, you know, as good as I wanna be and great. You know, most people, when they start stand-up, it's like them and some drunken, you know, some guy drinking at a bar.

• 22:44Drew Afualo?

  It's like seven people total, yeah.

• 22:45Speaker 04

  Yeah. So I think that I'm like, being perceived is always tough, and you know, you don't wanna make anyone mad, but you wanna do what you wanna do.

• 22:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, totally.

• 22:54Speaker 04

  So, yeah, but it's good. Always a good place to be.

• 22:57Drew Afualo?

  I think it's good that you're so, uh, open to learning, which is not shocking, cause you're not a straight man, so obviously.

• 23:01Speaker 04

  I am sorry.

• 23:02Drew Afualo?

  But I agree, though, cause I, I, that was like the, one of the last things I ever tried, and it was because I was genuinely very nervous to try it, because I didn't wanna find out the hard way I wasn't funny.

• 23:11Speaker 04

  Well, that's never gonna happen.

• 23:12Drew Afualo?

  Like, not that kinda funny.

• 23:13Speaker 04

  You're funny.

• 23:13Drew Afualo?

  Thank you. I think like, online funny and like, stand-up funny, they don't always cross over.

• 23:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:19Drew Afualo?

  Some of, some people genuinely do, and some people don't at all. Like, they try it, and they're like, oh, never again.

• 23:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, right.

• 23:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, or they're like, uh, she's only funny in her videos.

• 23:27Speaker 04

  You didn't, did you enjoy it?

• 23:29Drew Afualo?

  I did. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I think more than anything, when I was thinking about it, I was like, this is great, but like, I wanna do other things.

• 23:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 23:38Drew Afualo?

  I realized, I was like, I think I wanna act instead.

• 23:40Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:40Drew Afualo?

  So I'm kinda pursuing that. But I do love live performance. I think that's very fun.

• 23:44Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Did you take your podcast live?

• 23:46Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I have. I did, well, not this one. I I've toured my other podcasts with my sister.

• 23:51Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 23:51Drew Afualo?

  We did like a baby tour and then when my book came out last year, I did like a full national tour, like twenty two dates or something. Which was really fun and that's, it is like live comedy, but it's not stand up, so it feels different and more fun to me. Cause I feel like, I I feel like too for me with stand up, I felt very chained to the material. Like I felt like I had to memorize it word for word. So when I did like my first five, I I was a little stiff. When I did my next set, I felt way better because I just wrote bullet points and then just kind of went from there, which I think is more fun.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 24:21Drew Afualo?

  Is that kind of your vibe too?

• 24:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I think that I I've tried to like memorize sixty minutes of material to take it on the road. But yeah, the more you watch and you know, we've been going to so many comedy shows, funny people are funny.

• 24:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, that's, that's, that's literally what my fiance told me. He's like, you're still funny. Like even if it's, you don't memorize everything else. You don't know anything.

• 24:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. Stop it.

• 24:43Drew Afualo?

  You're a man. I have to have other people find me funny.

• 24:47Speaker 04

  Right, yeah. I don't care if you do. God, it's other people. Yeah, I do. I think that too. We've been to so many comedy shows in the last like two weeks too. It's just like, some people can get on stage and say, hello. And they're like, shut the fuck up. This woman. You know, like I think it's just about this confidence and this confidence.

• 25:08Drew Afualo?

  I agree too. And I think it's like, uh, being able to read a room too, because even when I talked to Caleb. Heron, he always like, he's been a mentor for me in stand up. Like he gives me lots of tips and stuff, but he's even told me like. That it's, it's all about reading a vibe because he's like, I like to think of it like having a conversation. So like if I brought up politics and you were not responding to it. I'm not gonna keep talking about something you're not. Yeah, he's like, I'm not gonna keep hammering home the same thing you don't want to talk about. So when I looked at it that way, it felt less, uh, daunting of like. What do I talk about?

• 25:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:41Drew Afualo?

  And even so, like, I feel like too, sometimes when people would come watch me do stand up, like the first time I did it was for Caleb, so. I told him I didn't want to market it in any way because I just wanted to find out if I was funny. I didn't want to tell anyone. Yeah, so it was like a pleasant surprise. But then I I performed with him and Chris Fleming, which I was like, that's fucked up to do to me.

• 25:57Speaker 04

  They're so hilarious.

• 25:58Drew Afualo?

  Why would you stack those two fucking titans over me?

• 26:02Speaker 04

  You are so funny and so loved, though, too.

• 26:04Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 26:05Speaker 04

  I think that that's like part of it, too. It's like you're filling it with a room full of people who love you. You would have to really fuck up.

• 26:11Drew Afualo?

  Good energy.

• 26:11Speaker 04

  You're right.

• 26:12Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and I even talked to like Grace Kulin Schmidt, like she said like, I don't like doing it in rooms with like predominantly straight people.

• 26:20Speaker 04

  Right.

• 26:20Drew Afualo?

  Like, I like to go to queer spaces, gay bars, like, because those people are gonna get your jokes. Like, a lot of your, your kind of energy and vibe. And I was like, that's so tea. That is so tea, because I think about like, other comics I've talked to, like longstanding comics who like, they've performed in certain cities they'll never go to ever again.

• 26:36Speaker 04

  Right.

• 26:36Drew Afualo?

  Because they're like, no matter what I say, they're gonna hate me there.

• 26:39Speaker 04

  Those aren't my people.

• 26:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they're gonna hate me and everything I say.

• 26:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:42Drew Afualo?

  Which is really exciting. Do you have any like, goals for stand-up?

• 26:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, so the goal is that I want, I've had trouble finding like a good management company, like, uh, so I want to find a good management and then take it on the road. Probably three shows at first, so I might book up my own. Three shows and then see how that goes.

• 26:59Drew Afualo?

  Fun.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  And then maybe it's whore.

• 27:01Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my god, how exciting.

• 27:03Speaker 04

  But I need to put my minutes in. I need to put in the hours.

• 27:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Are you a big planner? What's your sign?

• 27:07Speaker 04

  No, I'm an Aries.

• 27:09Drew Afualo?

  Oh.

• 27:09Speaker 04

  Can you tell?

• 27:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  In a bad way?

• 27:11Drew Afualo?

  No, in a great way.

• 27:12Speaker 04

  I'm not insecure about it.

• 27:14Drew Afualo?

  No, I get along with Aries very well, Aries people in general, because Aries people, even Aries men, which is shocking. But I feel like Aries people, I've said before, are like, you know, when you're driving and you're thinking to yourself, what if I just ran my car off the road?

• 27:28Speaker 04

  Of cour-

• 27:29Drew Afualo?

  Aries people, I'm like, Aries people do it, and then think about it after.

• 27:32Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:33Drew Afualo?

  And, uh, one of my best friends in college was an Aries, and I'm a Virgo. So like, I always say like, I never would have had any fun experiences without her, and she would have died without me.

• 27:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 27:42Drew Afualo?

  So I think we're a good pairing, honestly.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 27:44Drew Afualo?

  I think we keep each other alive, honestly.

• 27:45Speaker 04

  I think a big part of my growing up was like, no running the car off the road. Like, I was like, chill out a little bit. I used to be such a hothead, and now I think about yelling, and I'm like, nobody could ever make me yell.

• 27:57Drew Afualo?

  Really, you used to be a hothead?

• 27:58Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh.

• 28:00Drew Afualo?

  I would never get that from you.

• 28:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, well, I'm like, I'm like, trying to grow into a better person.

• 28:05Drew Afualo?

  Well, that's because I've grown up, so.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  Right, I, mm, I made a lot of bad choices. That's why I'm twenty six, I'm twenty six thirteen months ago. I'm not letting that go. I'm not letting that go.

• 28:17Drew Afualo?

  You're gonna, so you're twenty seven?

• 28:19Speaker 04

  Why would you say that?

• 28:22Speaker 04

  What and now I'm five six, how many lies are we gonna tell? How many lies?

• 28:27Drew Afualo?

  You're making me do math and that's fucked up.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 28:29Drew Afualo?

  I was literally doing math in my head. Okay, well, I'm gonna be thirty, so you're fine.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, you look great.

• 28:34Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 28:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 28:35Drew Afualo?

  I didn't appreciate the, oh, my god, but thank you.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  It's like a whole third, three, starts with a three?

• 28:43Drew Afualo?

  I know, I'm excited. I honestly hate being twenty-nine. I feel like it's like I'm hanging on to my twenties.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  Just do it.

• 28:49Drew Afualo?

  I wish I skipped to thirty.

• 28:52Speaker 04

  Just the age itself is getting desperate.

• 28:54Drew Afualo?

  I'm like, I am not thirty yet, okay? I just started telling people I'm thirty because I'm, I'm so sick of saying twenty-nine. It feels so embarrassing.

• 29:01Speaker 04

  You're gonna beat him to it, dude. That's so funny.

• 29:04Drew Afualo?

  It feels like I'm holding on to my twenties, but then I'm looking forward to my thirties because then when I turn thirty, I'm gonna be like, I'm only thirty, to like thirty-year-olds.

• 29:10Speaker 04

  The babyest of the thirties.

• 29:11Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I'm twenty-one again.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:13Drew Afualo?

  But in thirties.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 29:14Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 29:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what, I think I'm, I'm wishing for the thirties. It would be nice to not have any, like, attachment to the things I did in my twenties, you know?

• 29:24Drew Afualo?

  That's fair.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  I'll be sober for like fourteen years at that point or something. I'm like, come on.

• 29:28Drew Afualo?

  Congratulations, though.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 29:30Drew Afualo?

  That's awesome.

• 29:31Speaker 04

  Ally can't drink, congratulations.

• 29:35Drew Afualo?

  Sorority's fucking hard.

• 29:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, is it?

• 29:36Drew Afualo?

  That's awesome. I don't know, you tell me.

• 29:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't know. I think that like part of it is just like you wake up so icked one day from your, yourself. You're like, ugh, never again, you know, and I had enough. Like, I, I think a normal person would probably take, I like also didn't drink until I was old enough.

• 29:54Drew Afualo?

  Me too. I didn't drink till I was...

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• 31:04Drew Afualo?

  1920?

• 31:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:05Drew Afualo?

  I think it was like the first time I started drinking, yeah.

• 31:07Speaker 04

  And then I hit the handle hard. I like found about it, out about it.

• 31:11Drew Afualo?

  You said I put in those hours.

• 31:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:12Drew Afualo?

  That's for sure.

• 31:13Speaker 04

  Of course I did.

• 31:13Drew Afualo?

  Made up for lost time.

• 31:14Speaker 04

  Right. And then I said, "Cut it." That's plenty. That's plenty.

• 31:18Drew Afualo?

  No, that's so, that's honestly so, too. I agree with you on that. Especially the 20s, like being attached to your 20s. Because I actually was too, a hothead too, when I was younger. But I, I like to describe it-

• 31:30Speaker 04

  Us? No way.

• 31:31Drew Afualo?

  No way. That's why one of us would make a lot of sense. The other person, you'd be like, "Really?" And I'd get, guess who it is?

• 31:40Drew Afualo?

  When I was younger, I liked to describe it, though, as like, I just had no fear. Which I guess could have-

• 31:45Speaker 04

  That's scarier.

• 31:45Drew Afualo?

  Which is worse.

• 31:46Speaker 04

  That's so much scarier.

• 31:47Drew Afualo?

  I had no fear at all, especially like, when it came to any sort of confrontation, which again, shouldn't be shocking.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  Right.

• 31:55Drew Afualo?

  Which I say now, too, like, now that I like laugh at hate, or like, people being bigoted, or whatever, I'm like, "You guys should be lucky you caught me in my-

• 32:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 32:03Drew Afualo?

  -mid 20s."

• 32:04Speaker 04

  This is me peaceful.

• 32:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, if you caught me when I was 17, 18, bitch, you would have really hated me. Like, I would have came up to your front fucking door and we would have handled it in person. So I'm, I'm proud of that, too, getting older.

• 32:15Speaker 04

  Look at you, look at us.

• 32:17Drew Afualo?

  Look at us. We're so distinguished now.

• 32:19Speaker 04

  Sorry, classy, legs are crossed. Sorry, because before, they would have been here and here.

• 32:26Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, but speaking of fun facts about you, I do have some other fun facts about you. Some, some very interesting facts. The first one being that you played high school basketball.

• 32:38Speaker 04

  The crowd went quiet.

• 32:39Drew Afualo?

  Everyone's like, hothead in basketball, huh?

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is so unfair because I've been really into women's sports lately.

• 32:46Drew Afualo?

  Love.

• 32:46Speaker 04

  And so I meet these, you know, amazing athletes and they're like, obviously good at basketball. And I'm like, by the way, me too was.

• 32:54Drew Afualo?

  You know, back in my day.

• 32:55Speaker 04

  By the way, here as well.

• 32:58Drew Afualo?

  You're lucky I decided to be funny for a living.

• 33:00Speaker 04

  Right.

• 33:00Drew Afualo?

  Otherwise I would have taken that spot.

• 33:01Speaker 04

  Would have had a few problems with me. So, yeah, I did. I played high school basketball. I played in college for half a second as well, too.

• 33:08Drew Afualo?

  Okay.

• 33:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 33:09Drew Afualo?

  What was your position?

• 33:10Speaker 04

  Dive deeper into that reach.

• 33:14Drew Afualo?

  Add that to your little tab.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  Uh, two weeks in D3 school, so don't give me my credits.

• 33:20Drew Afualo?

  What did you, uh, what position were you?

• 33:22Speaker 04

  Point guard. You know my height.

• 33:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I knew, I didn't want to assume you were a point guard. I just wanted to ask. I imagine you said a forward, very crazy.

• 33:29Speaker 04

  I'm the big guy. I'm the big guy. You can't tell?

• 33:34Drew Afualo?

  Obviously, I'm posting up, obviously.

• 33:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 33:36Drew Afualo?

  Okay, the next one says, your very first tattoo was the quote, "Two roads diverged in a yellow road." Robert, Robert Frost quote on her arm. Is that true?

• 33:48Speaker 04

  That's close to the quote. So let me run it back for you because Robert would be pissed.

• 33:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 33:53Speaker 04

  Two roads.

• 33:54Drew Afualo?

  I was gonna say, yellow road? What is this, Wizard of Oz? Amanda, did you write that?

• 33:58Speaker 04

  Hold on, let's click, let's click my heels and we'll find out who that who is. You're like reading it and you're like, this doesn't seem right.

• 34:07Drew Afualo?

  Me being a Virgo, I'm like, no, that's incorrect.

• 34:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 34:12Speaker 04

  The yellow wood.

• 34:13Drew Afualo?

  The yellow wood, the yellow brick road.

• 34:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, two, two roads diverged in a wood. I took the one less traveled by.

• 34:18Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 34:18Speaker 04

  Which is what you get when you grow up in a town that there's no gay people. And you say, there's two roads and I'm not with them. I thought it was so deep. I was like, you were just gay in a small town. That's okay.

• 34:30Drew Afualo?

  I took the one less traveled today.

• 34:32Speaker 04

  Right. Not the rainbow road. Not the yellow road, but the rainbow road.

• 34:37Drew Afualo?

  A rainbow path, if you will.

• 34:38Speaker 04

  That was my first tattoo and any, don't get tattoos if you're, whatever, I don't know. Whatever advice I'm supposed to fucking be giving the young kids. Don't get them, don't do anything. But I got it.

• 34:50Speaker 04

  Horizontal. So like all my other tattoos are vertical and then it's just like bam, mistake.

• 34:56Drew Afualo?

  Okay, so it's like written this way as opposed to like, or is it written straight?

• 35:00Speaker 04

  And it's in cursive, like you, I know whoever wrote that down was trying to read this and they were like, damn. They're from the two thousands, they didn't learn cursive.

• 35:07Drew Afualo?

  Imagine you read it though and it did say Yellow Road, that would be crazy. You're like, wait a second.

• 35:12Speaker 04

  That's a D. I know a D, I know a D when I see a D.

• 35:16Drew Afualo?

  That's, uh, how many tattoos do you have? Total.

• 35:19Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 35:19Drew Afualo?

  A bajillion?

• 35:20Speaker 04

  Seventy, eighty maybe? It depends on what counts.

• 35:24Drew Afualo?

  Do you lose, do you lose track over time?

• 35:26Speaker 04

  I haven't gotten one since my frontal lobe developed. So like, I, I hate to be, I'm like thinking about it.

• 35:32Drew Afualo?

  It was thirteen months ago? When you turned thirty?

• 35:34Speaker 04

  When I was twenty-three.

• 35:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have like, I have Shrek, I mean, I have some that I'm like, hmm.

• 35:42Drew Afualo?

  I love that though.

• 35:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:43Drew Afualo?

  A patchwork vibe.

• 35:44Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 35:45Drew Afualo?

  I love that.

• 35:45Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 35:46Drew Afualo?

  I'd rather white people do that.

• 35:47Speaker 04

  With the regret. You're like, I love for you.

• 35:49Drew Afualo?

  I'd rather y'all be tattooing that than tattooing anything cultural.

• 35:52Speaker 04

  Right.

• 35:53Drew Afualo?

  Right, like that's why I was like, you don't need to get kanji.

• 35:55Speaker 04

  Like, cultural like what?

• 35:56Drew Afualo?

  Cultural, anything that's not of white culture. Like, like when people get like kanji on them or like Japanese characters, I'm like, you could have gotten, you could have gotten a hot dog.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  You could have gotten two roads diverged.

• 36:09Drew Afualo?

  On a yellow road.

• 36:09Speaker 04

  Right.

• 36:10Drew Afualo?

  You could have gotten that.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  But you didn't.

• 36:12Drew Afualo?

  I did like a tattoo thing recently, but I don't have many, I only have four. And this was the first one I got and then this was, I got this when I was like twenty-four.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  That's so dope. That's like commitment.

• 36:22Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'd say. I was like, when I got it too, I was like, well, I only have four. I hope that's cool. We gotta really stretch this time, don't we? So I was like, well, this one. Also too, cause it's tribal, obviously specific to Samoan culture.

• 36:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:34Drew Afualo?

  But like, normally they're supposed to have like, some sort of meaning, like your journey through life or like something like that. Um, it doesn't, it just looks cool. And so sometimes when people are weird and offensive about it, I'll just make shit up.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, you have to.

• 36:48Drew Afualo?

  Well, this, this right here means.

• 36:50Speaker 04

  Get the fuck away from me.

• 36:51Drew Afualo?

  I'm just lying. I'm just lying constantly. I'm telling them the story of the summer I turned pretty.

• 36:57Speaker 04

  The plot line.

• 36:58Drew Afualo?

  The whole plot line, but it's just following my journey. Uh, and then this, my tattoo artist put this on my finger, but this is a bird. Cause it's on my middle finger.

• 37:06Speaker 04

  Right.

• 37:06Drew Afualo?

  That's pretty much it.

• 37:07Speaker 04

  That's like my bee's knees. You're the bees knees, I know.

• 37:12Drew Afualo?

  That's cute. I love that.

• 37:14Speaker 04

  Yours are so good, too.

• 37:16Drew Afualo?

  Thank you.

• 37:16Speaker 04

  They just match. They're your vibe.

• 37:18Drew Afualo?

  I'm a big Virgo in that sense, too. We're like, all my, I want all my tattoos to match, because my, I have a big one on my back, down my spine, that looks like this. And then I have, my sister, my brother and I tattooed on the back of our neck, well, my sister and I's are back of our neck. My brother got it on his back, but we wanted to get one for each of my parents. So we got a moon with like tribal in it for my mom, because she always says like, I love you to the moon and back. And then like, so sweet.

• 37:42Speaker 04

  Did she say that to me?

• 37:44Drew Afualo?

  Yes, of course you can. I'll let you borrow her after this.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, thank you.

• 37:48Drew Afualo?

  My dad, his very first tattoo was like a stick and poke in someone, and it's on his shoulder, and it's in the worst writing, and it's tiny, and it's faded, and it says a hundred percent someone. That's all it says. And he always says like, I hate that tattoo. I should have never gotten it. He got it when he was like sixteen. And then he's like, I hate that tattoo. And then, of course, like, my sister was like, we should tattoo ourselves for him. So ours says seventy-five percent, because my dad's full, my mom's half someone.

• 38:16Speaker 04

  That's quick math.

• 38:17Drew Afualo?

  It literally just says seventy-five percent someone. And I was like, we just tattooed a joke on ourselves. For my mom, we were like, oh, I love you to the moon and back. For my dad, we're like, ugly tattoo.

• 38:27Speaker 04

  Here's your ugly tattoo.

• 38:30Drew Afualo?

  Yours is a percentage.

• 38:34Drew Afualo?

  So we tattooed that on us, and like, I only have the four. That's all I got.

• 38:37Speaker 04

  Yeah, any more in the future?

• 38:39Drew Afualo?

  I think so. I'm more so about placement. Like, I'm trying to figure out where to put my next one. I'm not too sure.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  So your type, what's the type? A?

• 38:47Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 38:47Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 38:48Drew Afualo?

  And you're type B?

• 38:49Speaker 04

  Well, I wouldn't know.

• 38:52Drew Afualo?

  Type A's very like structured, planning. Type B's very like, whatever happens, happens.

• 38:57Speaker 04

  Right. Well, that's a little bit. I'm like, what the fuck's gonna happen? But, yeah.

• 39:01Drew Afualo?

  What about your wife? Is she type A, type B?

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Very. Yeah, she has like four different planners. And like, this week, I like made plans, and I was like, oh, dinner on Thursday. And she was like, now where would we fit that in? And I'm like, we're free on Thursday. She's like, we're booked all day.

• 39:17Drew Afualo?

  If it's not in the calendar, it doesn't exist.

• 39:19Speaker 04

  She like, she like put one in the bathroom, so I have to look at it. It's like this huge dry erase board. I'm like, I don't know, still feels free.

• 39:26Drew Afualo?

  I really do, I really do think that type A and type B need to be together. I feel like two type As doesn't work.

• 39:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, cuz where am I gonna, I'm not gonna be invited.

• 39:36Drew Afualo?

  You're not gonna remember anything.

• 39:37Speaker 04

  You know when people are like, your partner should not go through your phone? I'm like, I hope the fuck she does because I, I made a lot of plans and I have no idea when any of them are.

• 39:47Drew Afualo?

  Yo, I think I made a plan. No, I, my fiance is the exact same way. Also, he does this shit that drives me up the wall, which is, he goes, do you have my wallet? Why the fuck would I have it? Like, why would I have your wallet?

• 40:01Speaker 04

  No, he shouldn't ask.

• 40:02Drew Afualo?

  He asked me that about so many things. Do you have my phone? Why would I, every time, like literally, the other, we were in Florida a week ago, yuck. And we were looking, my, my fiance was the last one who drove the rental car and me and my parents were trying to go somewhere. So we were like, okay, yeah, ready to go, ready. And he goes, do you have the car key?

• 40:21Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 40:21Drew Afualo?

  Why would I have it? I've never driven the car.

• 40:24Speaker 04

  People shouldn't, yeah, that's bad. And people who do that kind of stuff are bad. I've asked my wife all those questions this morning. We walk out the door, I go, keys, wallet?

• 40:34Drew Afualo?

  Mine and yours? Okay, perfect. One time we were, uh, driving home from somewhere and when we got in the house, he goes, do you have my phone? No, I don't. And then he couldn't find it. He uses his, he's logged into my find my iPhone, so he can find his own phone. Cause that's how often he loses it. And he's like, I literally can't find it. And then I was looking at it on like his location. It was on the fucking freeway because he left it on the top of the car and we drove all the way home with it up there. And it was like, and it was still on, like, cuz it was on the freeway off ramp.

• 41:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:05Drew Afualo?

  And then we drove in circles and I was like, what are we doing? We're not gonna find it.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  He's like, go on the ramp, come on.

• 41:11Drew Afualo?

  He's like, well, if I just look, look what? What are you Spider-Man?

• 41:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 41:20Drew Afualo?

  I can't, I genuinely don't, when I first started dating him, sometimes he would come, or we would come to my house to pick me up, or he would like, we would go somewhere to his house or whatever, he would leave his phone, wallet, keys in the ignition in the car.

• 41:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 41:34Drew Afualo?

  What are you leaving it running? Like he just gets out and just, it just gets up and leaves.

• 41:38Speaker 04

  Just happy to see ya. Sorry, I was happy to see ya.

• 41:43Drew Afualo?

  We were in, in Canada earlier this year for a show.

• 41:47Speaker 04

  How are they?

• 41:48Drew Afualo?

  They're nice, honestly. They're fun.

• 41:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, they're probably a lot happier than we are.

• 41:52Drew Afualo?

  Ah, I know. It was so clean up there too. So clean.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  They're recycling.

• 41:56Drew Afualo?

  My one gripe though with it is every restaurant in Canada, the lights are like so low, you can't see shit and the music is two thousand times louder than it is.

• 42:06Speaker 04

  Well, they have healthcare, so everyone can get glasses if they need it.

• 42:09Drew Afualo?

  I remember when somebody's sister goes, it's too dark in every restaurant and I, and I can't hear anything. Turn down the music.

• 42:18Speaker 04

  God, take me back to Florida.

• 42:21Drew Afualo?

  When we were in Canada, uh, I think like the second to last day we were there, I think we were there for like four or five days. The last day we were, second to last day we were there, um, he goes, I go, do you have the room key? He goes, no, we'll use this one. And he handed me the other one and I go, what happened to the other one? He goes, it's in my wallet. And I go, where's your wallet? He goes, I haven't seen it in a day.

• 42:38Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 42:39Drew Afualo?

  What?

• 42:39Speaker 04

  And thanks for the warning.

• 42:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. And he goes, no, I haven't seen it.

• 42:42Speaker 04

  He's like just trying to figure out where it could be.

• 42:44Drew Afualo?

  Since when? I don't know. I think yesterday. What do you mean you fucking think? And then he goes, I lost it. And I just like, it's fine.

• 42:52Speaker 04

  Not me.

• 42:53Drew Afualo?

  The way I would literally be on the fucking night news, cause I'd be scaling the buildings like King Kong. I'd be like, where's my wallet?

• 43:02Speaker 04

  Serving face though, serving face surely. Yeah, that is so deeply me. And so I wanna, I want, like, you know, when people talk about men who are incompetent?

• 43:11Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 43:12Speaker 04

  I like hear him say it and I'm like, they are bad.

• 43:14Drew Afualo?

  Girl, that sucks.

• 43:15Speaker 04

  And I did do that and I need to not do that anymore. It's like I look myself in the mirror. I'm like, oh God, stupid.

• 43:21Drew Afualo?

  It's such a like, I, I do though, to an, to an extent, I envy that because then nothing is ever stressful.

• 43:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:29Drew Afualo?

  I'm stressed all the fucking time constantly and he's just like, ah, it's fine.

• 43:33Speaker 04

  It'll buff out.

• 43:34Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like one time his phone stopped working and like I have brain rot. So if my phone stops working for longer than 10 minutes, like that's even a stretch. I start churning what I like to describe as like very Republican.

• 43:46Speaker 04

  Right.

• 43:47Drew Afualo?

  Like I start becoming very alt-right almost immediately. I'm like these goddamn fucking phones.

• 43:54Speaker 04

  I'm addicted to them.

• 43:55Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I start getting so like when I can't look at TikTok for 10 minutes, which is a bad thing.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  Our job though.

• 44:01Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  Part of it.

• 44:02Drew Afualo?

  That's my excuse.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 44:03Drew Afualo?

  That's what I say.

• 44:04Speaker 04

  I'm clocked in.

• 44:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I was like, it's my job and I'm watching like walkie slush on fucking TikTok for hours.

• 44:09Speaker 04

  When somebody catches me watching something and I have to say I'm working and then it's like, ignore that, ignore that.

• 44:17Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, he, his phone stopped working and he was like, I'll just leave it here. Not a big deal.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  Is he, does he do a lot of social media though?

• 44:24Drew Afualo?

  No, not really. Yeah, like that's a good man.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  That's yours, because it's yours and he doesn't get to touch it.

• 44:29Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, that's my neighborhood.

• 44:31Speaker 04

  That's your toy.

• 44:32Drew Afualo?

  This town ain't big enough for the two of us.

• 44:34Speaker 04

  Get out of here. He's like, he's like just trying to come in the town. You're like, no.

• 44:40Drew Afualo?

  Population one, me. And you know, what's funny is, no, he doesn't. He posts very infrequently if ever because he doesn't really care for it, which I do love. But he got invited recently to the Chief of War premiere. Have you seen that show with Jason Momoa? It's like about um, the Hawaiian Kingdom. It looks really good. It's on Apple TV.

• 44:57Speaker 04

  Dope.

• 44:58Drew Afualo?

  Big, big, big, big show, right? Highly anticipated. He gets invited to the premiere in Hawaii to host the carpet.

• 45:05Speaker 04

  Did he get a plus one or no?

• 45:06Drew Afualo?

  Uh, no. And if you're asking, no, I didn't get invited. I said, weird, that's crazy. Um, I'm also Polynesian and also host and also do that stuff.

• 45:14Speaker 04

  And how about he needs to get the hell out of my town? Get out of here.

• 45:18Drew Afualo?

  Oh, now I'm fighting you for jobs too?

• 45:19Speaker 04

  Scram, scram.

• 45:21Drew Afualo?

  They really are cutting DEI.

• 45:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:23Drew Afualo?

  Clearly.

• 45:23Speaker 04

  Right. Women and children are the first to go. Nobody talks about that.

• 45:27Drew Afualo?

  I told my sister that she goes, he never fucking posts. How the fuck did he get?

• 45:31Speaker 04

  How do they have, does he have an email and bio?

• 45:34Drew Afualo?

  I don't even fucking know.

• 45:35Speaker 04

  What's this cool cat doing?

• 45:36Drew Afualo?

  And honestly, I think it's because he bears a passing resemblance. And when I say passing, I mean very fleeting resemblance to Jason Momoa.

• 45:42Speaker 04

  Right.

• 45:43Drew Afualo?

  And I think they wanted it to be like, hey.

• 45:45Speaker 04

  Flex, flex.

• 45:47Drew Afualo?

  You guys look alike, stand together.

• 45:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:49Drew Afualo?

  Maybe kiss. Who said that?

• 45:54Speaker 04

  You said that. You said that. No, you said that.

• 45:57Drew Afualo?

  Okay, well.

• 45:58Speaker 04

  You're like, what if all the men kiss and then what?

• 46:00Drew Afualo?

  And what if?

• 46:01Speaker 04

  And then what?

• 46:03Speaker 04

  You're pushing gay agendas.

• 46:05Drew Afualo?

  You're right, I am. I'll take it. I'll take the fall for it.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. I like you do it with all things.

• 46:10Drew Afualo?

  Right. I got clearance from everyone.

• 46:12Speaker 04

  Right.

• 46:12Drew Afualo?

  All the gays. The, the Summer I Turned Pretty, weren't you rooting for the mom and Laurel or whatever to kiss?

• 46:18Speaker 04

  I remember when I first watched those episodes, I said, okay, that's lesbians. What do you mean lifelong friend? Get married.

• 46:28Drew Afualo?

  My sister makes this joke all the time whenever they're like, oh, this is my friend. She goes, I had a friend like that once.

• 46:36Drew Afualo?

  I also had a friend like that once.

• 46:38Speaker 04

  And now I know what she looks like from the inside. I had a friend like that.

• 46:42Drew Afualo?

  Now we're really good friends.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Right. Yeah. She had to like quit her job to take care of her. I'm like, that's gay.

• 46:49Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. You've kissed.

• 46:51Speaker 04

  I want to push my gay agendas on who I want to, you know?

• 46:54Drew Afualo?

  Me too. When I see it, I'm like, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss, kiss. I'm like, you guys aren't gonna fucking kiss?

• 46:59Speaker 04

  Right.

• 46:59Drew Afualo?

  That's crazy. Also, having Skylar from last season kiss Cam Cameron?

• 47:06Speaker 04

  Cam Cameron?

• 47:07Drew Afualo?

  What's that?

• 47:08Speaker 04

  What agenda are we pushing there?

• 47:11Speaker 04

  That's like somehow gayer.

• 47:14Speaker 04

  I don't know. That two plus two equals, that's the gayest shit I've ever seen in my life. What's going on?

• 47:21Drew Afualo?

  What?

• 47:22Speaker 04

  Who's the top? Tell me who the top is.

• 47:24Drew Afualo?

  What in the lavender marriage is happening there?

• 47:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. I also think that like when the mom got sick.

• 47:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 47:30Speaker 04

  She's like, I have to quit my job and take care of her. And then when, when she found out she cheated, she was like, I would never, under her breath, I would never treat you like this. I told, I told Hallen, I'm like, that's exactly how I used to treat, you know, like girls who I was friends with. I'd be like, I know you're dating him, but I would never treat you like that.

• 47:49Speaker 04

  In a straight way.

• 47:50Drew Afualo?

  Like in a totally normal, not gay way.

• 47:52Speaker 04

  I would hold your hand all the time and kiss you too. Been not a gay way.

• 47:58Drew Afualo?

  That's like how we joke about my sister loving the movie Lemonade Mouth.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  A Hailey Kyoga stand?

• 48:04Drew Afualo?

  Yes, my sister, when that movie came out, we watched it and I remember being like, this movie sucks. Like, it's alright, but it's, it's whatevs. And that's no High School Musical, I can promise you that.

• 48:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 48:15Drew Afualo?

  They could never, they could never recreate.

• 48:17Speaker 04

  High School Musical has b- b- b-.

• 48:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, what Kenny Ortega created is magic. But that's besides the point. When we were talking, I remember when we were watching it and talking about it the first time we ever saw it. She was like, we should watch Lemonade Mouth again. And we watched it so many times that I distinctly remember asking her, why do you like this movie so much? Cause it, none of it was adding up to me. I was like, why do you like this so much? Cause she hates musicals and that movie makes no sense. Like the general plotline makes no sense and she hates musicals. I can't stress that enough. There's nothing but music in that movie. And I was like, what do you like about this movie in particular? And she was, she would never have a real answer for me. Like she would be like, I don't know, I just think it's like awesome.

• 48:57Speaker 04

  When she was younger?

• 48:58Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, when we were younger.

• 49:02Drew Afualo?

  Well, and I remember like being shocked when my sister came out to me. But then when I look back, I see shit like that and I'm like, yeah, you're fucking gay.

• 49:09Speaker 04

  She's like, I like the plot, the plot is just gay.

• 49:13Speaker 04

  The plot is Hailey Kyoga.

• 49:14Drew Afualo?

  You're just watching Hailey Kyoga like this.

• 49:17Speaker 04

  Trying to zoom in on something.

• 49:21Drew Afualo?

  Did you have, what was your, uh, coming out experience in that regard? Like where you realized you're like, uh-oh, I think I might like girls.

• 49:27Speaker 04

  No, oh, my mom says, my mom's like, Ally, I knew you were gay since you were born. And so now, just to test it, I like bring babies up to her. I'm like, you fruity, are you thinking?

• 49:36Drew Afualo?

  Sniff this one, what do you think?

• 49:36Speaker 04

  Right, what do you think, mom? She's like, it's wrist or flimsy. I'm like, that's gay. No, I don't know, there was a lot of, I like, I was so into basketball that like I didn't have a lot of romance in my life, but I do remember feeling always drawn to female, like, you know, women who were in movies. Like, just like that hero, I like had a hero complex. I was like, I would never hurt her. In a friend way, once again, guys, it's in a friend way, but every, you know?

• 50:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's super in a friend way.

• 50:05Speaker 04

  I think Shigo was big for me.

• 50:07Drew Afualo?

  Nice, that's a great one.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:10Drew Afualo?

  She's mean and hot.

• 50:11Speaker 04

  Right, and yeah, mean. I was, I was, I didn't know what I wanted. Now I have like the nicest person in the world. I'm like, that's my Shigo. How about that character change?

• 50:23Drew Afualo?

  I think that's great. I think those are easy, uh, I think tells too. The characters that you're drawn to. That's why Haley Kyoka, like being who Haley Kyoka is now, I was like, fucking hat on a hat, bitch.

• 50:34Speaker 04

  And just engage. It's like, I mean, this means everything to me. I commented on their engagement post and I'm like, this is everything. I've been laying the bricks since Lemonade Mouth.

• 50:49Drew Afualo?

  I've been here since the beginning, on ground zero.

• 50:51Speaker 04

  Right, since she had that haircut.

• 50:54Drew Afualo?

  Exactly, that's what I'm saying. And she was a rebel.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  Right.

• 50:57Drew Afualo?

  In that movie.

• 50:58Speaker 04

  Bad, bad. Gay, just gay.

• 51:01Drew Afualo?

  And short hair, there you go.

• 51:03Speaker 04

  Right.

• 51:03Drew Afualo?

  They love to do that.

• 51:04Speaker 04

  Can't be straight with short hair.

• 51:08Drew Afualo?

  Uh, this next fun fact says that your grandma almost went pro in ping pong?

• 51:16Speaker 04

  Which one?

• 51:17Drew Afualo?

  Is that, is, is that a lie that you told?

• 51:19Speaker 04

  I was not close at all with any of my grandparents.

• 51:26Speaker 04

  I hope you do, I hope you do explain.

• 51:27Drew Afualo?

  I hope that my research team does explain.

• 51:30Speaker 04

  We need to call in, we need to call in a family member. I saw a part of a Q and A with you guys on YouTube and you were like, my grandma almost went pro ping pong. I said that?

• 51:41Drew Afualo?

  That's what I said, what are you, again, lying. Remember I told you before, I love to lie on this show. And sometimes people tell me things and I'm like, that's not true.

• 51:48Speaker 04

  I, guys, I, I bet this was my grandma Mimi on my father, maybe my father's side. Okay, cuz he was an, he, my father was an athlete, so it makes sense that he came from greatness like her, ping pong. Olympics, it said?

• 52:04Drew Afualo?

  It said, almost went pro. I don't know what pro would be.

• 52:07Speaker 04

  Right.

• 52:07Drew Afualo?

  Maybe your grandma Mimi would know.

• 52:08Speaker 04

  Right. She would. I think she died when I was four. So, rest in peace.

• 52:14Drew Afualo?

  I was gonna say, like, my fiance loves ping pong, but we can't relate on that, cause you don't even know.

• 52:18Speaker 04

  Well, now, thinking back, I'm pretty dang good at ping pong. I'm like, it's in my roots. I'm channeling something. Yeah. That could be true.

• 52:28Drew Afualo?

  Your dad was an athlete? Was, did he play basketball?

• 52:29Speaker 04

  He was. Oh, I don't know him. I mean, we don't really talk anymore. I haven't talked to him in probably a decade. He was a double athlete, though.

• 52:37Drew Afualo?

  Oh, well, fuck him.

• 52:38Speaker 04

  Right. Well, I won't, but.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  That would be pretty inappropriate.

• 52:42Drew Afualo?

  I'll curse his bloodlines. Past you.

• 52:47Speaker 04

  I'm like, so at pe- you know, I feel like so at peace with things, but you channel it in me. I'm like, well, maybe I should get a little riled up.

• 52:55Speaker 04

  I'm like, you know, I'm at peace. Like, people should go and live their lives. And you're like, why don't we hurt them?

• 53:00Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. I'll hurt them for you. You don't have to be here. I'll do it.

• 53:03Speaker 04

  Look, I'm tired of you putting in all the hard work and the sweat. You're like, I got this. I'm like, no, I'm coming. You're like, I don't need you.

• 53:10Drew Afualo?

  I know, I saw, I literally saw a TikTok yesterday of a girl saying that, like, when men talk about misandress, uh, and they talk about how, like, oh, women are hating men. She was saying, like, there's so few women who, like, genuinely feel that way. Like, it's like one per, like, fifteen of women who are, would do anything to defend men. So it's like, there are many misogynistic women in the world that are so stark and rife, that like, there's no way it could balance out.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 53:37Drew Afualo?

  And she's like, but that's why I feel like, maybe that's why it's so strong in me. I gotta pick up the fucking slack. Like, I gotta carry the water.

• 53:43Speaker 04

  The weight of fourteen others who are missing out.

• 53:45Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. I'm like, you don't hate them, it's okay. I'll hate enough for all of us. I'll do it for us.

• 53:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. I actually, I, I think what really gets me going about men too is recently I found out that they don't wash their hands after they pee, a lot of them. And I'm like, how dare you shake a hand? How dare you ever shake a hand?

• 54:00Drew Afualo?

  And they love to handshake.

• 54:02Speaker 04

  You love to handshake?

• 54:03Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, they love to touch hands.

• 54:05Speaker 04

  It's like, how does anybody have a good job when they don't wash? They, you got pee pee hands. And you're, you're a CEO? Bacteria.

• 54:15Drew Afualo?

  You're no, that's actually so real because my man does wash his hands after he goes pee.

• 54:19Speaker 04

  But you have to, you're like.

• 54:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I, I, well, I asked him once because I had seen it and I just can't even fathom, especially because if you don't, like if you don't identify as men, you don't have a penis, you're not, and you just, you sit down to pee, you're not touching anything. Other than like flushing, but even then you're like, you're flushing with your foot or something.

• 54:38Speaker 04

  Women, women never flush the correct, nobody's like.

• 54:42Drew Afualo?

  Everyone uses their foot because it's gross. I don't even touch the door handle when I leave the restroom. I can't imagine touching my literal dick and then going and being like, no, no need to wash my hands.

• 54:51Speaker 04

  It's like, they're like.

• 54:52Drew Afualo?

  And then they go and do this.

• 54:57Drew Afualo?

  That's what they do and they want me to not hate them. Like you're crazy. I have no choice.

• 55:02Speaker 04

  I do feel like they do so much to make it easy, if it wasn't so easy.

• 55:06Drew Afualo?

  That's what I'm saying. I'm like, when I, when people ask me like, because sometimes I don't even know why recently, like in some interviews I've had people ask me like, do you like really hate men? Like some bullshit ass question like that, which like, even if I did, what are you gonna do about it? But it's like, well, more importantly, I'm like, I'm always like, well, yeah, this is a joke. I always say, but it's kind of true. I always go, well, yeah, have you ever spent time with one?

• 55:26Speaker 04

  Right. Have you put in the hours?

• 55:28Drew Afualo?

  Have you, yeah. Did you clock the hours? I did because you'd fucking hate them too. If you spent enough time with one.

• 55:33Speaker 04

  Right.

• 55:34Drew Afualo?

  Like just one, just one singular one.

• 55:36Speaker 04

  I, well, I would be scared if it was one. I'd be scared if it was two.

• 55:40Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I've even said before that when you see like groups of men together, ooh, chilled on my stomach.

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Doing what? The khaki short army coming towards us.

• 55:50Drew Afualo?

  Doing anything.

• 55:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:51Drew Afualo?

  Just commiserating in general. When you see a group of them and they're all laughing.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  At what?

• 55:57Drew Afualo?

  You never look at them and go, I wonder what they're laughing at. When you look at them laughing, you, you, I literally get pissed. I get pissed off. I'm like, what the fuck is so funny? What are you guys laughing at?

• 56:06Speaker 04

  I don't think anything should be funny to them. And it's never them and in the thing, no, no, if a man is watching this right now, it's never them. It's always the ones who are like, even me, especially you.

• 56:20Drew Afualo?

  Actually, um, actually I couldn't see you. So I'm glad you pointed yourself out.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  Yes, you, you especially.

• 56:26Drew Afualo?

  I know, that's what, and I feel like my mentality obviously is not exclusive to me. I'm just like, I'm a straight woman who, who talks about it and has eyes on me. But like, that's why lesbians have been feeling that way for years. Even gay men feel that way in a lot of ways. I was like, many gay people have been feeling that way for fucking years, like exactly the same way I feel, which is like, if you don't bother me, I won't bother you.

• 56:46Speaker 04

  I would, I would, to be left alone is a dream. I, I have, I have men come up to me and I'm like, what do you think's gonna happen here?

• 56:55Drew Afualo?

  We're wearing the same outfit.

• 56:56Speaker 04

  Who does what?

• 56:58Speaker 04

  I think you're wrong. I think you're wrong, you know?

• 57:01Drew Afualo?

  Knock it off. Leave me alone.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  I don't even know how that would work.

• 57:05Drew Afualo?

  I was talking to one of my gay friends the other day and she told me, she goes, I forget you're straight sometimes. And she got all pissed off. I was like, I'm sorry.

• 57:15Speaker 04

  My bad, that's on me. The amount of apologies I get from straight people in my DMs apologizing, sorry, sorry, I'm just like, well, that's how it should be.

• 57:24Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, you're like, well, I don't forgive you.

• 57:27Speaker 04

  It's fine, just don't do it around me or the kids. And I wish you wouldn't televise it.

• 57:31Drew Afualo?

  What you do behind closed doors again is none of my business. I just don't wanna see it.

• 57:35Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:37Drew Afualo?

  Okay, this next fun fact says you own a clothing brand called Be Nice Co.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  A Be Nice Co, that's it, yeah.

• 57:43Drew Afualo?

  Love that. How did that come to be?

• 57:46Speaker 04

  So it started out as like influencers doing merch, sorry.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  Now the gun's on me, sorry. But yeah, I think too, like a big part of my life has been mental health, right? Like I am obviously terrible at trying to kill myself, so I'm here nonetheless.

• 58:04Speaker 04

  And so I think that I just like wanted to do a company that was very like, I see that you're here and I'm glad that you are, and sorry.

• 58:10Drew Afualo?

  Love that.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  Like when people say that to me, I'm glad you're here. Sometimes it feels like, fuck off.

• 58:18Speaker 04

  You can't kill yourself, so you have to be.

• 58:20Drew Afualo?

  They're like, we're not very good at that.

• 58:22Speaker 04

  Right, right. And just bringing that up one more time. Yeah.

• 58:27Drew Afualo?

  I think that's beautiful, though. I think it's a beautiful thing.

• 58:29Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 58:30Drew Afualo?

  And I also think like, anytime influencers do anything that isn't like, making videos, it's like, no, an influencer is doing another fucking thing.

• 58:37Speaker 04

  Right.

• 58:38Drew Afualo?

  And like, you could do, I, I could like, go and do, like, dig up some, some fucking archaeological fact, and they'd be like, "Oh, nice, now influencers are getting into paleontology. Nice. They're gentrifying everything. Nice."

• 58:50Speaker 04

  You can't, now you can't spread your wings.

• 58:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 58:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. No, I do. I think, I think people, it's like, if I was looking at an influencer, I think a big part of me would be like, maybe I hate her too, a little bit. Like, it's easy to look at somebody and hate.

• 59:03Drew Afualo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  You know? I choose to look in love. I don't know if that makes me better than people. I don't know.

• 59:09Drew Afualo?

  I don't know.

• 59:09Speaker 04

  I don't know. Does that make me better that I would never leave a hate comment? I don't know. And we're working with the team to discover that one.

• 59:17Drew Afualo?

  Jury's still out, so we're waiting on the decision.

• 59:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 59:20Drew Afualo?

  I agree with you, though. I feel the same way. I've never been in a position where I've been like, I'm gonna write something fucked up. Like, I've never in my life been so, like, down bad on myself that I felt the need to do shit like that.

• 59:33Speaker 04

  Well, one of the things that we love about humans, right, is that, like, everybody has this bit of mystery to them. And when you're online, it's like, we could, we could have a few more questions. I wish they didn't have answers, you know? But that's just part of it.

• 59:46Drew Afualo?

  I agree. And I, I've told people too, when they, I'm sure you get this too, if people ask you for like, advice on growing a platform or whatever, the first thing I always ask them, I was like, "Do you hate being, like, perceived?" But more specifically, don't even factor personality. What you look like, and just how you talk, how you stand, how you dress. Generally, the things that make you you. Does it bother you to think that someone might tell you they hate that?

• 1:00:09Speaker 04

  Right. Everything's up for discussion.

• 1:00:10Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, and if they, if the answer is yes, don't do it. Every time, I'm always like, "Don't do it."

• 1:00:15Speaker 04

  You have to be so good with you.

• 1:00:18Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, yeah, because this, I swear to fucking god, like this, I've even said too that in some, I'm, I'm a very confident, secure person.

• 1:00:26Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 1:00:27Drew Afualo?

  Obviously, based off my content. This job has given me. Insecurities that I was like, what the fuck?

• 1:00:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:00:35Drew Afualo?

  Sometimes like the shit people say to me, I'm like, like the wall-eyed thing is one I've said many times and uh, the pot of greed joke is another one I've said, I said that joke and men were like, yeah, pot of greed and I'm like, it's not funny. See how you ruin everything?

• 1:00:49Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:00:50Drew Afualo?

  Everything.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  See when I was trying to be fun and you came in and you did.

• 1:00:54Drew Afualo?

  We're all laughing and having fun and you join and we're like. It's like, it's that crowd noise reaction when they're like, ooh. That's how it feels.

• 1:01:02Speaker 04

  They say what you said louder, we're like, we all, we heard it the first time. We did.

• 1:01:07Drew Afualo?

  No, we actually loved it the first time I said.

• 1:01:09Speaker 04

  It was worse the second.

• 1:01:12Drew Afualo?

  If I had a note, um, I wouldn't say it again.

• 1:01:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:14Drew Afualo?

  It's the same thing. I, and I've said to people, like, if you care at all.

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Drew Afualo?

  What people could potentially say about just what you look like.

• 1:01:21Speaker 04

  Don't have an insecurity.

• 1:01:23Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, don't do it. Don't do it. Do you have a fragile sense of self? Don't do this.

• 1:01:26Speaker 04

  Right. Be so sure of your insecurity.

• 1:01:28Drew Afualo?

  Uh, yeah, I always tell people if you're, if you're not feeling good, don't do it.

• 1:01:33Speaker 04

  You, so when you logged off, do you just get, you've gotten in your head?

• 1:01:38Drew Afualo?

  Like, and as far as hate goes, getting hate, it depends on the kind. Because like when it comes from people that I love and it's like, it's under the guise of not like, I hate you, it's under the guise of like, you're not doing enough. You're not doing this, you're not doing that, you don't do this, you don't do that. That kind of shit stays with you.

• 1:01:53Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:01:54Drew Afualo?

  Which I'm working on in therapy. Like I said earlier, she said the gorilla's going nuts. You're right, I am. And so that's one, um, but like general hate, like from trolls, like fat, ugly shit like that. Honestly, that, it's not good and I'm not proud of this. It excites me when I get those.

• 1:02:10Speaker 04

  It revs the engine up.

• 1:02:11Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it really, it feels like those smelling salts that you like. And then I could go run a forty.

• 1:02:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:16Drew Afualo?

  Like, that's how it feels to me.

• 1:02:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:02:18Drew Afualo?

  But, um, other kind of hate, like, that's more a testament to, like, integrity, character, like shit like that. Uh, when it's coming from a very high and mighty place, that kind of shit stays with me.

• 1:02:28Speaker 04

  When I feel like look into the mirror a little bit and I'm like, well, hold on.

• 1:02:32Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:32Speaker 04

  When I have that pause, I always am like, I log off for a little bit.

• 1:02:35Drew Afualo?

  Me too. And that was kind of why I took my, that was why I took my break, actually, um, in December, because like, it was just getting to a point where it felt like, again, like a metaphorical gun just pointed at me every single time I did anything.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:02:48Drew Afualo?

  Even if I was just doing my normal shit, or if I was minding my fucking business.

• 1:02:51Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:02:51Drew Afualo?

  Like, that was another thing, too. And so it was just overwhelming me to the point where I was starting to think of myself as a different person, like, starting to think I'm actually, maybe I might be a bad person.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:03:01Drew Afualo?

  When that started happening, I was like, I gotta get off this shit, cause like.

• 1:03:04Speaker 04

  Cause I'm, I'm not, I'm not even making sense to me a bad person.

• 1:03:07Drew Afualo?

  One thing I do love is myself.

• 1:03:08Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:03:08Drew Afualo?

  I am not gonna let you guys convince me otherwise. But that was another thing where I was like, this is getting in my head so severely that it's making me start to see myself differently and that's not fucking fair to me.

• 1:03:17Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:03:17Drew Afualo?

  Um, no matter how much people love me, it's not fair to me. So like, that's why I took time off and then, it felt like that, that YouTube video of Logan Paul pretending to be colorblind and then he puts on the thing and he's like, whoa, and he has tears in his eyes. That's how it felt. I was touching grass for the first time.

• 1:03:33Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, I know. Sometimes it's like, I'm sure you feel like this with your fam- I feel so thankful to have like a good family.

• 1:03:41Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  You know, it's just so grounding. Like, sometimes when stuff happens, cause I, I want so badly to explain myself. Like, a part of me is like, you know I wouldn't mean it like that.

• 1:03:51Drew Afualo?

  Me too.

• 1:03:51Speaker 04

  Like, I'm, I'm good here.

• 1:03:53Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  You know? And I so badly wanna explain myself, but it's like, you can never. There's thousands of, you know, some people are gonna think that you're a bad person. You have to feel like you're a good person. And so having family to just ground you sometimes.

• 1:04:06Drew Afualo?

  I agree.

• 1:04:07Speaker 04

  Like, even if it's my brothers being like, don't pose that selfie, you need to know you look a little bit fugly. I'm like, see in that. It's because sometimes I feel a little too hot. Like you'll always, you'll always be funnier than you're hot.

• 1:04:20Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, the humbling from family, I crave it at this point, like and most, most especially normalcy, like just like things that have nothing to do with what I do for a living or who I am online.

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:04:31Drew Afualo?

  Um, I need that too. Like I need to be with real life people in real life. Like that was something I talked about in therapy a lot too, which is like, I need to remember that these people don't actually know me.

• 1:04:41Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:04:41Drew Afualo?

  Um, like 99% of the people that follow me do not know me literally at all. Um, so I have to like, keep reminding myself about that and family does help, especially like humbling jokes like that shit. Cause I always say like, one time my sister told me she saw one of my videos and then she goes, "Yeah, that's the funniest one you've posted in a while." And I was all, right.

• 1:05:02Speaker 04

  And I loved you through it.

• 1:05:04Drew Afualo?

  It was a rough go of it for a minute.

• 1:05:06Speaker 04

  I was gonna ask if you needed some help.

• 1:05:08Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. One of my favorite stories to tell is my brother, when he was in high school still, he was like, oh, one of the girls in my class that she was on TikTok. And I was like, my sister's on TikTok. She has a lot of followers. Mind you, I'm doing this full time at the time. So I have like six, seven mil at the time.

• 1:05:21Speaker 04

  By the way, nine million people.

• 1:05:23Drew Afualo?

  And then I was like, oh yeah. And he goes, yeah. Then she asked me, oh, what's her handle? I want to look her up. And then I go, I don't know. And I go, it's my first and last name, the one we share, by the way. And then he goes, well, how was I supposed to know that?

• 1:05:35Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:05:35Drew Afualo?

  You got me there.

• 1:05:36Speaker 04

  How about tune in every now and then?

• 1:05:38Drew Afualo?

  Hey, you got me there. I'm on the ropes. My fucking dad.

• 1:05:42Speaker 04

  Out of pettiness, my brother, who I think works with numbers in some way. I'm like, I don't fucking know. He tries to tell me, I don't know. Sorry.

• 1:05:50Drew Afualo?

  And I don't listen.

• 1:05:52Speaker 04

  And some of the time I don't care.

• 1:05:56Speaker 04

  No, but he, I like out of spite, he won't download TikTok.

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• 1:07:05Speaker 04

  I'm like, okay. Hey, don't ever need me, though.

• 1:07:10Drew Afualo?

  Right, exactly. You know, you're all, I honestly, I think that's great. And even like my, um, my grandfather, like I joked about this too. He was on, he's on TikTok. Um, has he ever watched me? No. Um, how do I know that? He told me.

• 1:07:24Speaker 04

  But he's trying to get to the page.

• 1:07:25Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, well, he told, well, no. No, my grandfather knows how to work TikTok. That's the worst part. Like, he knows, and he has favorite people on there. Sometimes he'll tell me, like, oh, I watch this guy. I go, oh, I know that guy. And then he goes, do you? Yes, I've been doing this for a while. But then he told me to my face, like, I don't watch you. And I go, is there any particular reason why? And he goes, I don't need to see all that.

• 1:07:46Speaker 04

  Yeah. Did you let him know that you also don't watch him? Is he posting?

• 1:07:50Drew Afualo?

  All that? What are you talking, what do you think I'm doing on there? And he's just like, nah. It, like, truly, he's like, I have other people I'd rather watch.

• 1:07:57Speaker 04

  Not my style. Not my style.

• 1:08:01Drew Afualo?

  Do you have any faves on TikTok you like to watch?

• 1:08:03Speaker 04

  Oh, my gosh, of course.

• 1:08:04Drew Afualo?

  Like, random faves?

• 1:08:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think I do. We, we have, like, on Holland and I's Bel Air's account too. They're so, the gay community, I like, love it. Like, when I get older lesbians on my feed, I'm like,

• 1:08:16Drew Afualo?

  Oh, yeah, I love that.

• 1:08:18Speaker 04

  I gotta stop making the suicide jokes. We gotta get there, baby, you know? So like, I feel like I've, so many gay creators I watch, but also, like, I love, The rich white girls or or the rich halls. I like eat it up. I'm like, oh.

• 1:08:34Drew Afualo?

  You know what's so funny is Alex Earl before she like, and I sound like one of those people. I knew her before she. I literally sound like that, but I'm dead ass. She had like maybe ten thousand followers. I watched her one video that blew the fuck up. It was like a tailgate video or some shit. I remember distinctly going, have you ever seen this girl to my sister? Cause I'd seen her like twice. And each time I watch her, like she's the monkey in the zoo. Because I cannot relate to a lifestyle less and I watch them like they're aliens. I'm like, oh my God, that's crazy. When I watch it, I'm like, interesting. I feel like, right, right. Like I'm studying her like, right.

• 1:09:11Speaker 04

  This is what they do.

• 1:09:13Drew Afualo?

  Interesting. It feels like I'm in enemy territory. I'm also a straight girl. But it feels like I'm watching.

• 1:09:19Speaker 04

  We're so different.

• 1:09:21Drew Afualo?

  But I remember seeing her shit and I'd be, I would be like, man, I can't relate to anything less. That's cool though.

• 1:09:26Speaker 04

  That is crazy ten thousand followers.

• 1:09:29Drew Afualo?

  That's what I mean. Literally a year later, I was like, what the fuck? When I saw her, I was like, Jason literally told me. She was like, I think that's the girl you showed me that one time.

• 1:09:37Speaker 04

  Remember that girl you were watching all night and writing things down about?

• 1:09:42Drew Afualo?

  I look at my hands like, the power I hold.

• 1:09:46Speaker 04

  Who do I pick next?

• 1:09:48Drew Afualo?

  The King Midas touch. Who am I gonna touch next? I, I do have a few faves that I love to watch, like. I just randomly they'll come across my shit and I'm like, oh, my show is on perfect. Uh, have you ever heard of Dr. Parkenstein?

• 1:10:02Drew Afualo?

  I'm about to put y'all on. Make sure you write this down. Dr. Parkenstein, he's literally this guy. He lives, I think in Texas. He is obsessed with like. The early nineteen hundreds period. So it's like anything past nineteen thirty four, get out of town. He, all of his, his apartment, his appliances, his cars, everything from like nineteen ten to nineteen twenty. Like all of, he dresses like that. He also dances like they did back then. He makes.

• 1:10:31Drew Afualo?

  What does he call it? Fuck the Charleston. He does it all the time. He'll post an eight minute video and it's just him doing that one move for eight minutes. I'll watch every minute. I'm not.

• 1:10:40Speaker 04

  I need the link.

• 1:10:41Drew Afualo?

  He's got a fan in me. I wa- I watch it every time. I'm like, yes. Every time I see him, I'm like, Dr. Parkenstein, yes.

• 1:10:46Speaker 04

  People that are so themselves.

• 1:10:48Drew Afualo?

  I love him. I'm obsessed with him.

• 1:10:50Speaker 04

  His life is in black and white.

• 1:10:52Drew Afualo?

  And he.

• 1:10:52Speaker 04

  These cool cats down the street are trying to get me.

• 1:10:55Drew Afualo?

  He puts these like. End cards on his videos too, and it's literally an old timey photograph of himself that he had someone take and turn into an old.

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  He's older?

• 1:11:04Drew Afualo?

  No, he's like twenty two. That's why I was like, he's also a genius. Like I see him build cars and shit.

• 1:11:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:11:11Drew Afualo?

  Like his old like, old, old, old like Ford, like trucks, like nineteen twenty cars. He fixes them up and drives them around town and he's wearing, he's like, and he has a little hat on.

• 1:11:21Speaker 04

  That's what social media was supposed to be.

• 1:11:23Drew Afualo?

  I'm telling you.

• 1:11:24Speaker 04

  Like people with these niche interests who are just like, this is my life. Like, if you like it, if it's not for you, whatever.

• 1:11:30Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:11:30Speaker 04

  That's, yeah, you've got to send it to me.

• 1:11:32Drew Afualo?

  I will. And there's another woman I watch on, she's Australian. Her name's Fadon. She's a marriage lawyer. Like she helps with divorces and stuff in Australia.

• 1:11:41Speaker 04

  Oh, love that.

• 1:11:42Drew Afualo?

  No particular reason to love her other than she makes platters. Like she makes her own like charcuterie boards like at home and shit.

• 1:11:49Speaker 04

  A girl has a hobby.

• 1:11:49Drew Afualo?

  Yes, and she's a working mom and she's literally just like, it's, she goes Saturday platter day. She always says that and she goes, Saturday night we eat platters. Why? Cause we don't fucking cook on Saturdays. I'm dead ass, she says it every time.

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  She's a white woman? I love when white people rhyme.

• 1:12:05Drew Afualo?

  When white people white, I'm in, I'm locked in. And she has a bunch of different kinds of platters. She cuts everything by hand, puts it all fifteen minute videos. I'm watching the whole goddamn thing. I'm sitting there, I'm like.

• 1:12:16Speaker 04

  I get caught up in like storylines. Like right now I'm doing a storyline where um, this woman is like fighting the healthcare system for one of her clients and she like keeps calling these people and she's like, but she's a doctor, so she's like, very disappointed. And I'm like, that means she's fucking pissed bitch.

• 1:12:34Drew Afualo?

  And then you have to go back, go to their thing, go down to recently posted and then you have to like,

• 1:12:38Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:38Drew Afualo?

  Catch up on all your lore.

• 1:12:40Speaker 04

  It's going slow because it's the healthcare system and insurance companies, but I'm there every day checking in.

• 1:12:47Drew Afualo?

  I know every time, sometimes I forget and I'm like, I want to follow them. And then I just follow them. They never follow me back, like random accounts like that, but I don't give a fuck.

• 1:12:54Speaker 04

  I, yeah.

• 1:12:54Drew Afualo?

  I just follow them because I'm like, I gotta keep up with you.

• 1:12:56Speaker 04

  Sometimes it's like, I'm okay not being your vibe, but you're definitely mine. I'm like, this woman probably wouldn't like me that much. I fuck with her hard.

• 1:13:05Drew Afualo?

  You got a fan in me.

• 1:13:06Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:13:07Drew Afualo?

  I am supporting you.

• 1:13:08Speaker 04

  For sure.

• 1:13:09Drew Afualo?

  I love um, Disney people too. I love watching them.

• 1:13:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm married to one of those.

• 1:13:17Drew Afualo?

  One of them. I do love Disney, but not to that extent. Like the extent that they go. They be saying shit that I'm like, what? Like, what are you talking about? Like, they're like, oh, these new drops just dropped in this store and all that.

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  The pins.

• 1:13:30Drew Afualo?

  Mystery Pin Monday?

• 1:13:31Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:13:31Drew Afualo?

  Very familiar.

• 1:13:32Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 1:13:32Drew Afualo?

  With like Blake's Pop Nook, love him. Megan the Magical Millennial, have you ever heard of her? Clock that tea. If you like it, clock that tea, girl.

• 1:13:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:13:41Drew Afualo?

  Megan the Magical Millennial, love her.

• 1:13:43Speaker 04

  I didn't know it would be that serious. And then I get there and Holland's like, and go. And I'm like, I like lose her. I'm like, you need to wear a sparkly hat or something. So I couldn't find you. I mean, it just, she, she knew the routes to get to places. I mean, I think we did like 24 miles. I'm like, that's a marathon.

• 1:14:01Drew Afualo?

  You did 20, 20,000 steps, didn't they?

• 1:14:03Speaker 04

  I can't, I can't walk. The next morning, she's like, we got an, we got another thing to explore.

• 1:14:07Drew Afualo?

  We got another day, so let's get up.

• 1:14:09Speaker 04

  She's like, we're doing two parks today. We got the park hopper. And I'm like, can I get a wheelchair?

• 1:14:13Drew Afualo?

  Girl, what does any of this mean?

• 1:14:15Speaker 04

  Right, yeah.

• 1:14:16Drew Afualo?

  I went to Disney World for my brother's birthday. He wanted, that's why we were in Florida, because he wanted to drink around the world.

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:22Drew Afualo?

  In Disney World, which we didn't even end up doing, went to two countries and gave up because it was too hot. And but we went to all four parks in one day, which is just crazy town, insane. And she's like, unbelievable.

• 1:14:33Speaker 04

  You don't do it like that. Do it most. Do it much, Drew.

• 1:14:37Drew Afualo?

  And I remember we went on the dinosaur ride. Have you ever been on that ride?

• 1:14:42Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:14:43Drew Afualo?

  Yes. You guys believe she, you looking at her going, yes.

• 1:14:46Speaker 04

  I like blacked out. I was like, I was, it was fight or flight.

• 1:14:51Drew Afualo?

  It was, we went on the dinosaur ride. It's like, kind of like, it's just you're in a car and then you're going through and it's like bumpy. But it's the one where you're looking for a dinosaur, but the whole entire ride is pitch black. Okay, oh, this is.

• 1:15:03Speaker 04

  Oh, my head was probably down the whole time then. I'm scared of the dark.

• 1:15:05Drew Afualo?

  This is what you should know about me. I have megalophobia, which is like a fear of anything way too large, like anything way too big.

• 1:15:12Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:15:12Drew Afualo?

  So like, most like animatronics scare the fuck out of me.

• 1:15:15Speaker 04

  Like when I walked in here, you were like, hold on. Who's stomping on in here? It's me.

• 1:15:22Drew Afualo?

  And I said, oh, that's just Ally.

• 1:15:23Speaker 04

  Anyways, I'm.

• 1:15:24Drew Afualo?

  I'm not worried anymore.

• 1:15:24Speaker 04

  Anyways, you're, so you're scared of big things?

• 1:15:26Drew Afualo?

  Yes, I'm terrified of them.

• 1:15:28Speaker 04

  Like every time you get successful, you're like, it's too big.

• 1:15:30Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's too big.

• 1:15:31Speaker 04

  Too big.

• 1:15:32Drew Afualo?

  I'm just screaming.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  Too strong.

• 1:15:34Drew Afualo?

  Like the Avatar, like the blue Avatar movies.

• 1:15:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:15:38Drew Afualo?

  I spiritually feel very connected to those movies, but the size of those aliens scares the fuck out of me.

• 1:15:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, is it open things?

• 1:15:46Drew Afualo?

  It's more so like mammals or animals of any kind that are large.

• 1:15:51Speaker 04

  She's like if a hippopotamus, I'm like like the big, big ocean and you're like, no, really the hippo.

• 1:15:55Drew Afualo?

  Exactly. Like if I saw a couch that was really big, I wouldn't be afraid. But whales scare the fuck out of me.

• 1:16:00Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:16:01Drew Afualo?

  Like, have you ever seen Life of Pi?

• 1:16:03Speaker 04

  Where he's on the boat with a.

• 1:16:05Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, the tiger, yes, but there's a scene where like a whale like shoots up right next to him.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:16:10Drew Afualo?

  I would have killed myself that night. I'm not making it, sorry.

• 1:16:13Speaker 04

  How?

• 1:16:14Drew Afualo?

  I would have just.

• 1:16:15Speaker 04

  You're trying to drown yourself. You look down the ocean's huge.

• 1:16:18Drew Afualo?

  I just lay flat. I'd lay flat, me thinking it out. I really did. I, I would literally lay flat with my head face down in the water and I just accept my fate.

• 1:16:24Speaker 04

  The ocean just feels so big to me. That feels like I'm trying to.

• 1:16:28Drew Afualo?

  Something would have killed me bu- way before that, but if for some reason I did survive to that point, I'm dying that night.

• 1:16:35Speaker 04

  I do think about that. How long do you think you last in bad situations?

• 1:16:38Drew Afualo?

  Not long.

• 1:16:39Speaker 04

  Like zombie apocalypse, how many days till you try to end it?

• 1:16:43Drew Afualo?

  Probably a couple of days.

• 1:16:44Speaker 04

  I fight for a year and then I'm gone.

• 1:16:48Speaker 04

  The iPhone batteries, you know, they're so weak nowadays.

• 1:16:51Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, once my AirPods die, I'm out.

• 1:16:53Speaker 04

  You like, everybody gets a cold around you and you're like, well, no.

• 1:16:56Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, don't, don't be coughing on me. Or actually cough directly in my mouth. I'm gonna die too. Like, I'm real suicide pact. Like, that's what I'm doing.

• 1:17:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:17:03Drew Afualo?

  Any like Handmaid's Tale situation, like apocalyptic, I'm out. I'm out, but.

• 1:17:09Speaker 04

  You don't, you don't fight a little bit? You just seem like such a fighter.

• 1:17:12Drew Afualo?

  I, yeah, until it gets to a point. Not like that. What's the point? I'm also, I also too, like, I think about, well, I said this in, in a podcast once, cause he had asked me that joke, that jokingly, like, oh, Handmaid's Tale situation. And I was like, I'm killing myself easily, like suicide pact. And he's like, really? I go, well, no, actually what I think I would do, would I would surrender myself to like the home base. But then I would just rip my shirt off and I bomb strap to my chest, take as many people out as possible.

• 1:17:38Speaker 04

  Right. You've thought about it.

• 1:17:39Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, I'm going out.

• 1:17:40Speaker 04

  What if I, this is my thing though. What if I told you that there were two hundred women in a room with a man who was verbally abusing them, abusing them?

• 1:17:48Drew Afualo?

  Well, then, yeah, I'd jump in on that action.

• 1:17:50Speaker 04

  You'd be like, okay, maybe a year. I'll map it out.

• 1:17:54Drew Afualo?

  That's done and he's dead, then I'm dead.

• 1:17:57Speaker 04

  You're like, I go.

• 1:17:58Drew Afualo?

  Well, I said, well, is that it? Alright, I'm out.

• 1:18:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:01Drew Afualo?

  And I think, I, like, do you think you would survive?

• 1:18:03Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no, no.

• 1:18:05Drew Afualo?

  By choice, or just for, like?

• 1:18:07Speaker 04

  Well, like, like, you can't kill yourself.

• 1:18:10Drew Afualo?

  Like, you'd take yourself out, or you, or you think you would be killed?

• 1:18:12Speaker 04

  Uh, both.

• 1:18:13Drew Afualo?

  Both.

• 1:18:13Speaker 04

  Both. I just don't, I don't think I have any good qualities for survival. You know, I don't, I think I'm small, like, I can't really hide well, my fluorescent skin is gonna come. Like, I'm trying to hide in the, I'm trying to hide in the mud, and they're like, okay.

• 1:18:27Drew Afualo?

  Ally, get up, I can see you.

• 1:18:28Speaker 04

  You're shining. It's like Twilight. They're like, we knew where to come because we saw you glistening.

• 1:18:34Drew Afualo?

  Right. Lucy McCalpine actually told me that exact thing. She's like, I know no traits, I'm like useless.

• 1:18:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:40Drew Afualo?

  But then I was like, but you can sing, so you'd be like that bitch in The Hunger Games.

• 1:18:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:44Drew Afualo?

  Rachel Zegler's character.

• 1:18:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:18:45Drew Afualo?

  Lucy Gray. You'd be her.

• 1:18:47Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:18:47Drew Afualo?

  I have no talent.

• 1:18:49Speaker 04

  No.

• 1:18:49Drew Afualo?

  Other than being funny.

• 1:18:50Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, I think you got it.

• 1:18:52Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. Now, if it's a Planet of the Apes situation, I would think a sur, I think I would survive because I would make peace with the monkeys. I feel like we would have a real mutual understanding.

• 1:19:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:19:02Drew Afualo?

  Like, to each other, like, we're cool.

• 1:19:05Speaker 04

  Uh-huh.

• 1:19:05Drew Afualo?

  Me and the monkeys.

• 1:19:07Speaker 04

  Well, that sounds like a good situation for you, but once again, I think they fuck me up. I think they fuck me in every.

• 1:19:12Drew Afualo?

  They'd be like, this one's too pale and too weak.

• 1:19:14Speaker 04

  Too pale, and I don't like her vibe, honestly. Honestly, I think she should be the first to go.

• 1:19:19Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, it's like, honestly, she's kind of a fucking bitch.

• 1:19:20Speaker 04

  Right. And I'm out, and I'm out. And I, like, respect that, too, so I'm like, take me.

• 1:19:25Drew Afualo?

  That's fair. That, that's what I said when I've been like, I think I'm too annoying to survive. Like, they would kill me because they'd be like, oh my god, kill her, she's annoying.

• 1:19:33Speaker 04

  I just have a lot of bad ideas.

• 1:19:37Speaker 04

  Like, somebody's like, there's a noise down there, and I'm like, I'll go check.

• 1:19:39Drew Afualo?

  You think no worries, I'll be right back.

• 1:19:41Speaker 04

  Yeah. They're like, you're not supposed, have you seen a movie fucking ever? Do not go down there.

• 1:19:47Drew Afualo?

  And then you're just kinda like, sure. I think the theory's in you.

• 1:19:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do, too. I think I'm like, too curious, I heard, I would hear a noise and like, run towards it. And they're like, bad decision. As usual, Ally, you tend, you continue to amaze us.

• 1:19:59Drew Afualo?

  Okay, one last fun fact, uh, but it's actually, I'm gonna ask you if you can debunk this one.

• 1:20:04Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:20:05Drew Afualo?

  Cause we're not sure if it's true, but it was on Google.

• 1:20:07Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:20:08Drew Afualo?

  It says, AI Google says that Ally and her wife met rock climbing.

• 1:20:12Speaker 04

  That is.

• 1:20:15Speaker 04

  This is, they're pushing something on us. They met at a Subaru dealer's.

• 1:20:20Drew Afualo?

  They were both wearing Chacos.

• 1:20:21Speaker 04

  Right. Pride flag. They both had pride colored hair, so they related on that.

• 1:20:27Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:20:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, no, no, that's not true. So, we, so we don't like to say where we met on the internet or anything about like getting married and stuff, just because I think people are so quick. I would never post a wedding on TikTok because I think they dissect it.

• 1:20:42Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:20:43Speaker 04

  And they're like, "Oh, not how I do it." And it's like, "Well, I don't really give a damn if you don't like salmon."

• 1:20:47Drew Afualo?

  Well, good thing you didn't marry me.

• 1:20:49Speaker 04

  You would hate it.

• 1:20:50Drew Afualo?

  For you, bullet dodged, thank God.

• 1:20:52Speaker 04

  Yeah, so no rock climbing, not at all. I did, I used to tell people, I said, "We met in a parking lot because Holland hit me with her car." And like, people loved that. I was like, I was like, "It was nice because I was such a hoe," you know? And it was the first time somebody had hit it and stayed. I was like, "She gave me CPR, it was our first kiss," and they were like, "Eating it up." I was like, "This is so, like, you know this has to be a lie."

• 1:21:13Drew Afualo?

  You're like, "I'm lying. I'm actively lying to you."

• 1:21:15Speaker 04

  And you know I am. Like, don't make me say it.

• 1:21:18Drew Afualo?

  And honestly, it's kind of hurting my feelings that you believed me so easily.

• 1:21:20Speaker 04

  Right. Can I be district? No, not true.

• 1:21:24Drew Afualo?

  Not rock climbing.

• 1:21:25Speaker 04

  No, we did do rock climbing. We had an awesome gym in Pittsburgh. Um, but that started like, three years ago, maybe? Or something? Like, we, we had been, we were, yeah.

• 1:21:35Drew Afualo?

  Man, AI Google is also being very homophobic.

• 1:21:39Speaker 04

  They also said I'm thirty-one on there. And like, it's starting to get a little unfair. Like, there was a rumor that went around that Holland and I had an age gap and we're like sixteen months apart or something. And like, it blew up and people were like, "Ooh, a twelve-year age gap?" And I was like, not one-

• 1:21:55Drew Afualo?

  Twelve years?

• 1:21:56Speaker 04

  Not one comment said, "No way."

• 1:22:01Drew Afualo?

  They just immediately started calling you a predator.

• 1:22:02Speaker 04

  Everybody, yeah, I was like, not one person said, "Damn, need her skincare." Everyone was like, "Yikes."

• 1:22:08Drew Afualo?

  Everyone was like, "That makes a lot of sense."

• 1:22:10Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was like, hmm. I was like, and I looked pretty, I like, looked in the censored comments and like, not-

• 1:22:16Drew Afualo?

  Not one of you wants to correct this, huh?

• 1:22:18Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:22:18Drew Afualo?

  That's kind of fucked up.

• 1:22:19Speaker 04

  Not one of you wants to take up for me? Who, well, who's, who's older? Not, not none of that.

• 1:22:24Drew Afualo?

  I don't believe that. They look really young.

• 1:22:26Speaker 04

  Everyone said, "Holland, Holland, really? Ally would do that?" And I'm like, "What if Holland's the predator?"

• 1:22:33Drew Afualo?

  How come I'm the oldie?

• 1:22:34Speaker 04

  I, and I asked, I said, "What if, what if Holland's the predator?" And they said, "Oh, no."

• 1:22:38Drew Afualo?

  They said, "She would never and don't ever talk about her like that again."

• 1:22:41Speaker 04

  Have you seen her skin?

• 1:22:44Speaker 04

  I said, okay.

• 1:22:45Drew Afualo?

  They said, ask her for her skincare routine.

• 1:22:47Speaker 04

  I had four skincare brand, uh, brand deals coming through, all of them dropped.

• 1:22:53Drew Afualo?

  They said.

• 1:22:53Speaker 04

  They said, no skin like that.

• 1:22:55Drew Afualo?

  Oh, we thought it was your wife.

• 1:22:57Speaker 04

  They said, yeah, they said, real hot, a twenty-six-year-old thirteen months ago. Who, who, who people think is forty? I don't think they're, they don't want the recipe to that one.

• 1:23:44Drew Afualo?

  You were talking about your skincare routine.

• 1:23:45Speaker 04

  And everybody said they didn't want it.

• 1:23:48Drew Afualo?

  And everyone said, yours is terrible.

• 1:23:49Speaker 04

  Yeah. We posted a video the next day because I thought it would get traction and Holland's blew up and mine was like, mm.

• 1:23:56Drew Afualo?

  You're like, right, okay, very big. Well, what is your morning routine?

• 1:24:00Speaker 04

  So I try to wake up as soon as possible.

• 1:24:03Drew Afualo?

  Right. That's essential to waking up in the morning.

• 1:24:05Speaker 04

  Ten thirty, you know? I wake up, I splash some water on the face, I use some Drew's favorite products.

• 1:24:13Drew Afualo?

  Perfect.

• 1:24:13Speaker 04

  I do a Red Bull and then I go on a run.

• 1:24:15Drew Afualo?

  There you go. A run, no bouldering.

• 1:24:17Speaker 04

  No bouldering anymore.

• 1:24:18Drew Afualo?

  No. Now you're into running, you gonna be a marathon person now?

• 1:24:22Speaker 04

  I'm running away from a lot of things lately.

• 1:24:24Drew Afualo?

  Need something.

• 1:24:25Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:24:25Drew Afualo?

  Keep me pushing.

• 1:24:26Speaker 04

  Distracted. Out of breath, can't think.

• 1:24:29Drew Afualo?

  But enough time and energy to do your morning routine.

• 1:24:33Speaker 04

  Always.

• 1:24:33Drew Afualo?

  Hopefully with products from Sephora. Wouldn't that be so nice?

• 1:24:38Speaker 04

  I would love that.

• 1:24:39Drew Afualo?

  Period.

• 1:24:56Drew Afualo?

  I've never had, I did have at one point when you would Google my name and I think they've changed it since, maybe it's because I was bitching about it, but like the only picture that would pop up was literally, it was a glam, like it was like a Getty photo from a carpet I did years ago. So I hate the fucking hairstyle and I hate the makeup and so does my, my hair and makeup artist. We, we both hate it collectively. I don't know what we thought we were doing. But it's not just that picture. It's my head turned into like a fat head. So it's like, it's like blown out.

• 1:25:27Speaker 04

  It's expanded.

• 1:25:28Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. It looks like that picture of Patrick or no Squidward when Patrick sits on his face and it's just two big butt cheeks. Like that's literally what my face looks like. And it was just in like my hair is slicked back like this. So I look bald.

• 1:25:39Speaker 04

  I'm sure the lighting's not great.

• 1:25:41Drew Afualo?

  And I literally took a picture of it because I was like, why the fuck is this the only picture that pops up when you Google me? How come everyone's like, oh my God, mine's so cute. And that's what mine fucking looks like.

• 1:25:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. So what happens is they actually go to your worst enemy and have them pick the photo up. And then that's it forever.

• 1:25:54Drew Afualo?

  The person who hates you the most. They're like, pick a photo for her. Who cares? Also, there was a thing going around for a while that men like genuinely did not believe I was tall, like at all. Like they thought I was just constantly lying about it, which I, I would lie about that. Don't get me wrong. But like, I'm not lying about it. No, I absolutely would. And if I was gonna lie, I would say I was like six, four.

• 1:26:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:26:14Drew Afualo?

  Because that's taller than most men. So like.

• 1:26:16Speaker 04

  There's never, you're not gonna, it's gonna be a purposeful lie. Okay. I'm lying for a purpose.

• 1:26:20Drew Afualo?

  It's gonna go big or go home.

• 1:26:21Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:26:21Drew Afualo?

  I'd say I'm like six, nine by that measure.

• 1:26:23Speaker 04

  Are you right at six foot?

• 1:26:24Drew Afualo?

  Yes.

• 1:26:25Speaker 04

  So they hate that because they're all claiming six foot.

• 1:26:27Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, absolutely. And then if I can see your scalp, you're looking more like a five nine.

• 1:26:31Speaker 04

  Look, and I need to get more on your vibe. You take three inches. I took two.

• 1:26:35Drew Afualo?

  Yeah. It's the same thing. Like when I tell men, like when I insult them and I just bring up height, I don't even know how tall they are. Um, I just say five, six, because that's like the funniest height to me because it's, it's short, but not that short.

• 1:26:48Speaker 04

  But for a guy.

• 1:26:49Drew Afualo?

  For a guy.

• 1:26:50Speaker 04

  Right. For girls.

• 1:26:50Drew Afualo?

  But it's fine because you're six, two.

• 1:26:52Speaker 04

  Right. Five, eight.

• 1:26:55Drew Afualo?

  Also like Alona Mar, have you met Alona Mar?

• 1:26:57Speaker 04

  Oh my gosh, have I?

• 1:26:58Drew Afualo?

  Okay, Alona is the shortest out of her siblings and she's like five ten? Yeah, so her sisters, her sisters are, are much taller than her. Like her youngest sister, I think is like six two, six three. And I was like, big women, big, one of us.

• 1:27:12Speaker 04

  She's a legend. Yeah, I'm like, I'm like, whenever she posts, I'm like, wherever you need us, we'll go. She's like, I think, she's like, I think I got this one.

• 1:27:20Drew Afualo?

  The apocalypse.

• 1:27:21Speaker 04

  Anything.

• 1:27:22Drew Afualo?

  Let her do it.

• 1:27:22Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:27:23Drew Afualo?

  I, I, I follow her. I wouldn't follow us.

• 1:27:26Speaker 04

  Me too. I'm, we met her in a, uh, we met her at the mall, at the Grove. And I like look over and I'm like, hi. She's like, you're that little pick tucker, huh?

• 1:27:36Drew Afualo?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:36Speaker 04

  No, she's so nice.

• 1:27:38Drew Afualo?

  I get it.

• 1:27:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, she's, she's great. And then we got to see her on Dancing with the Stars.

• 1:27:42Drew Afualo?

  Love her.

• 1:27:42Speaker 04

  Legend.

• 1:27:43Drew Afualo?

  She's fantastic. Love her. I'm glad to hear that you and your wife did not meet rock climbing.

• 1:27:47Speaker 04

  No, that would be way too cliche. That would, that does sound like, I hate that you even put it out into the universe. Because like-

• 1:27:54Drew Afualo?

  Start that rumor now.

• 1:27:55Speaker 04

  Like, there's a lesbian movie coming now. There, it's coming.

• 1:27:58Drew Afualo?

  Falling in love rock climbing?

• 1:27:59Speaker 04

  Right, falling.

• 1:28:02Drew Afualo?

  There you go.

• 1:28:02Speaker 04

  In love.

• 1:28:04Drew Afualo?

  TM, TM, Ally TM did already.

• 1:28:06Speaker 04

  The, The Climb by Miley Cyrus.

• 1:28:10Drew Afualo?

  Oh, you're writing it for them. Chill, you're writing it for them.

• 1:28:14Speaker 04

  I'll, I'll, I'll collect the check.

• 1:28:15Drew Afualo?

  Were you guys big, big rock climbers? Did you guys like rock?

• 1:28:17Speaker 04

  I like got a little too into it and then you have to back up.

• 1:28:20Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:28:21Speaker 04

  You gotta back up. Yeah.

• 1:28:22Drew Afualo?

  I was, I'm glad you said that because I do, I do have, I don't feel good about it, but I do have kind of a judgment about people who love rock climbing.

• 1:28:28Speaker 04

  No, yeah, and I, I probably relate to it a lot and it-

• 1:28:32Drew Afualo?

  There's something about it, like I just feel like, like one time someone on our other podcast said that she got a major ick from a dude who loved rock climbing because he said, and I think it was like a quote, he said, it's like- The intellectual like puzzle Pete like puzzling athle- of athletics or some bullshit like that. It made me so angry, I started shaking.

• 1:28:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:28:55Drew Afualo?

  What the fuck are you talking about?

• 1:28:57Speaker 04

  Anything that's fake like that, like it's like you're fake climbing a mountain, you know, like it's like the people who are really good at the game where you drive the car.

• 1:29:04Drew Afualo?

  Yeah, like F1 kind of racing, yeah. It's like, well, that's fake. So relax.

• 1:29:08Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:09Drew Afualo?

  You're not actually doing it, so relax.

• 1:29:10Speaker 04

  I, the reason why I got into it is because I was like, I want to be active, but I'll do anything but go to the gym.

• 1:29:16Drew Afualo?

  That's fair.

• 1:29:17Speaker 04

  So home's like rock climbing and I was like, ah, it's a little too bad.

• 1:29:22Speaker 04

  Every day we pulled up in the Subaru, I was like. But I like.

• 1:29:26Drew Afualo?

  Feels hat on a hat.

• 1:29:27Speaker 04

  It was my, it was so queer friendly. I was like, I love it here.

• 1:29:30Drew Afualo?

  Love that though.

• 1:29:34Drew Afualo?

  Well, no wonder you were getting so into it, safe space.

• 1:29:36Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 1:29:37Drew Afualo?

  Was it like bouldering or was it like?

• 1:29:38Speaker 04

  It was bouldering, but I'd, I would never correct you.

• 1:29:44Speaker 04

  You say rock climbing and I'm like.

• 1:29:45Drew Afualo?

  On my show.

• 1:29:46Speaker 04

  Right. I'm chained to this chair.

• 1:29:48Drew Afualo?

  That's why I know, well, the difference is that bouldering, you don't have any harnesses or anything, right?

• 1:29:52Speaker 04

  Right, well, gays always wear the harness. I'm always stressed. They're like, you're bouldering. I'm like, yeah, but I still have the harness.

• 1:29:59Drew Afualo?

  I brought my harness from home.

• 1:30:00Speaker 04

  Right, uh, yeah, yeah, no harness. So you just fall like 20 feet.

• 1:30:05Drew Afualo?

  Shit.

• 1:30:06Speaker 04

  Onto a mat.

• 1:30:07Drew Afualo?

  Right.

• 1:30:08Speaker 04

  Pretty soft.

• 1:30:08Drew Afualo?

  You get back up again and that's the story of life.

• 1:30:11Speaker 04

  Right, and that's how we met.

• 1:30:13Drew Afualo?

  She helped you up like this?

• 1:30:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. We were both climbing and we locked eyes and I was like.

• 1:30:21Drew Afualo?

  All of a sudden you're really good at it. You know, that's, that was crazy how everything is connecting, but I, I had said once, I was like, I think that Jason Momoa loves bouldering. Like he loves, he loves shit like that.

• 1:30:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:30:34Drew Afualo?

  Which I have said, and I don't stand by this in case I ever meet him.

• 1:30:38Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 1:30:38Drew Afualo?

  He might be annoying.

• 1:30:39Speaker 04

  Right. But like, sometimes.

• 1:30:43Drew Afualo?

  It's okay though, I'm annoying.

• 1:30:45Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:30:45Drew Afualo?

  In other ways.

• 1:30:46Speaker 04

  I just think that Pete, like let them. I sound like Mel Gibson.

• 1:30:51Drew Afualo?

  Let them.

• 1:30:52Speaker 04

  Let them.

• 1:30:53Drew Afualo?

  It's fine.

• 1:30:54Speaker 04

  Some people are annoying, it's fine. Don't hang out with them, but like.

• 1:30:56Drew Afualo?

  You can be annoying in many different ways.

• 1:30:58Speaker 04

  Right, you don't, but the, the area is not all the time. Sometimes we have to take a break.

• 1:31:03Drew Afualo?

  You gotta pace. That's why like you're a little too into it, have to take a step back.

• 1:31:07Speaker 04

  Take a step back, look in the mirror. And attack again when ready.

• 1:31:12Drew Afualo?

  When I've struck balance, then I can re-enter my rock climbing face.

• 1:31:15Speaker 04

  And I'll know when that is.

• 1:31:17Drew Afualo?

  You'll sense it one day, you'll wake up.

• 1:31:19Speaker 04

  Right.

• 1:31:19Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming on the show.

• 1:31:21Speaker 04

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:31:22Drew Afualo?

  I fucking love you.

• 1:31:22Speaker 04

  I love you.

• 1:31:23Drew Afualo?

  You're so fun.

• 1:31:24Speaker 04

  I'm so glad our cross paths.

• 1:31:26Drew Afualo?

  Oh, my gosh, obviously. Paths crossed.

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  Don't correct me.

• 1:31:32Drew Afualo?

  Yellow road all over again. Cud.

• 1:31:35Speaker 04

  I'm so glad, yeah.

• 1:31:36Drew Afualo?

  We all gotta hang out, you, me, Victoria Paris, and some bouldering.

• 1:31:40Speaker 04

  What a group, oh.

• 1:31:43Speaker 04

  Let's just drink.

• 1:31:44Drew Afualo?

  And let's just boulder. Let's just see where the wind takes us.

• 1:31:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:48Drew Afualo?

  Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. I think you're fucking hilarious and so fun.

• 1:31:52Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:31:52Drew Afualo?

  And for those who don't know, where can everybody find you?

• 1:31:56Speaker 04

  You can find me by searching my name, Ally Bellairs. No E, A-L-L-I-B-E-L-L-A-I-R-S.

• 1:32:04Drew Afualo?

  Period. And hopefully see you on tour soon.

• 1:32:06Speaker 04

  And hopefully see you, come with me, opening.

• 1:32:08Drew Afualo?

  Oh, okay, gee, let me know.

• 1:32:09Speaker 04

  You headline all open.

• 1:32:12Drew Afualo?

  I'll sit in the crowd.

• 1:32:14Speaker 04

  And calling to the same.

• 1:32:16Drew Afualo?

  Yo, I do have some notes when I get off stage.

• 1:32:18Speaker 04

  Thank you, thank you.

• 1:32:19Drew Afualo?

  Thank you all so much for joining us on this episode of the comment section. Thank you to my amazing guest, Ally. Don't forget to follow Ally on literally everything. She's hilarious and so fun. And thank you all so much for joining us. Don't forget, new episodes of the comment section come out every Wednesday. You can stream the audio on all streaming platforms with the video list for free and exclusively on our favorite platform, Spotify. Thank you so much to my amazing guest, Ally. Thank you so much to all of you, and I'll see you next week. Bye.

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