BGB Cayman Turbo S Review; Better Beetle Story; PCH Opens

Should Porsche put a 911 Turbo S engine in a Cayman? We've all said as much for a long time and someone finally did it: BGB Motorsports. We describe what the drive was like. Plus, Zack Klapman's VW Beetle story; PCH has reoponed to the public; and we answer Patreon questions including: How cheap will a BMW M4 GTS get? Commuter/canyon: IS500 vs Alfa Giulia Quad Deman vs BGB How would you build a C5 today? BMW 850i or LC500? A McLaren Speedtails meant for turns? Matt's amazing brussels sprouts recipe Did they fix the BMW M2? And more! Recorded May 26, 2025 Truewerk Get 15 percent off your first order at https://www. TRUEWERK.com/tire. Smalls Get 35% off Smalls plus an additional 50% off your first order by using my code TIRE at https://www.smalls.com New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 0:45Matt Farah?

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• 1:26Matt Farah?

  Turbo Porsche Cayman with a 911 Turbo S powertrain in it. Also, we learn about Zach's mom's much more interesting Volkswagen Beetle story. The PCH has reopened, and I take my first drive back. But first, Eric's desk has left the building. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  I looked in the fridge and I saw a lot of Bang Energy and I was like, I don't know if I wanted it. I've never had that before. It's creatine plus stuff.

• 1:58Matt Farah?

  Fuck yeah, bro. I'm fucking ready. I can't imagine drinking an energy drink before working out.

• 2:06Speaker 01

  No, it's great.

• 2:07Matt Farah?

  Is it?

• 2:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08Matt Farah?

  I feel like I'd have a heart attack.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Oh, true, if you have too much, especially now at our age. But like, back in the day, in my twenties and thirties, pre-workout, powdered stuff, you were a superhero. It's why you over-train and then you don't understand why you're growing.

• 2:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  The thirties, you get injured more. The twenties, you're just like, I'll just work out for two hours and then keep shaking.

• 2:28Matt Farah?

  I think I didn't have that in my twenties. Yeah.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  There was one, uh, I forget which pre-workout it was, but it, everyone was like, why does this make my skin itch?

• 2:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, boy. Ya-za.

• 2:41Matt Farah?

  That's like, that's like what heroin withdrawals does.

• 2:43Speaker 01

  It was weird, but it was, after you drank it, you're like, and then I threw that one away.

• 2:47Matt Farah?

  The one I would keep hearing about is the one that would change the color of people's pee.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  They, most of them did that. Basically, that's too much vitamins. Like, anytime you take too many vitamins, even multis, like, your pee's gonna be neon.

• 2:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  It was just different shades of neon.

• 3:01Matt Farah?

  What does orange mean?

• 3:02Speaker 01

  The best, the best one, I never did this, but the funniest one was early 2000s when they realized that Hydroxycut literally had amphetamines in it. And it was like, look at us, losing weight. You're like, this is illegal and it's what they did in the thirties.

• 3:13Matt Farah?

  I don't know, uh, much about supplements, but I do remember Hydroxycut equals bad.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Then they changed the formula and no one bought it because it stopped working.

• 3:26Matt Farah?

  For the amount of energy I put into working out, which is a lot.

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:30Matt Farah?

  Despite, you know, the results, um, I probably could spend an extra 10% doing the supplement thing and achieve probably some significantly better results.

• 3:42Speaker 01

  Supplements only make, and this is like me quoting Lee Norton, who's, you know, PhD and powerlifter, they only add like 5% once your nutrition's perfect and stuff.

• 3:54Matt Farah?

  So I need HGH, like in testosterone.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  That is different, yeah. That's different, yeah. Like, there's supplements and then there's PEDs.

• 4:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 4:01Speaker 01

  Those will make a difference no matter what you do.

• 4:03Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm. And like, I don't have a sanctioning body. Like, let it rip, right?

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Pretty much.

• 4:08Matt Farah?

  Just fucking go. The only reason I don't do that kind of stuff is literally needles. My fear of needles has really kept me pretty safe.

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:16Matt Farah?

  Pretty safe. Yeah.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  You'd also, I don't, you'd have to research if there are long-term effects of such things, because I don't know. And you see, you see both sides on the internet, so.

• 4:25Matt Farah?

  There's a lot of things I do that I do not research the long-term effects of.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  That's a good point, yeah.

• 4:29Matt Farah?

  But Needles keeps me away from the most dangerous ones.

• 4:32Speaker 01

  Listening to Burt talk about taking testosterone in the beginning was the funniest shit, because he's just, because I think him and Tom are both on it, but Burt would sit there and just be like, "I feel it, man." Like, I could feel it. And Tom's like, "Uh huh." The contrast of their personalities was so evident, right?

• 4:46Matt Farah?

  One of us is proud to be a testosterone junkie.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Just excited, yeah.

• 4:51Matt Farah?

  You know, when I was like, whatever, 40 pounds heavier, I got prescribed the Ozempic.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Oh, wow.

• 4:57Matt Farah?

  But it was the, I never took it.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  Oh, that's right.

• 5:00Matt Farah?

  It's in my fridge for two years.

• 5:01Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 5:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Could have sold it for like 1,500 at one point, you know? Shit expired, though. Yeah, only because I didn't want to stab myself with a needle. That was it. That was the only real thing that kept me from doing it. And like, a slight amount of pride to see if I was capable of losing weight without it.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  Which you did.

• 5:22Matt Farah?

  Which I was.

• 5:22Speaker 01

  You look, that sweatshirt, also very good.

• 5:24Matt Farah?

  This is a good sweatshirt.

• 5:25Speaker 01

  It's got a good shape, but you have a good shape, yeah?

• 5:27Matt Farah?

  Did. But it was possible, but I probably, probably would have been a lot easier with the, you know, what'sies.

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Maybe, but I mean, I think I told you the story that Judd Apatow, he told us recently that he was proud that he beat the Ozempic because he was taking it, but he'd also overeat while taking it, and he's like, "My need for food just beat my need to lose weight," and he was oddly proud.

• 5:48Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Congratulations, Judd.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 5:54Matt Farah?

  Everyone's got a record for something, you know?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  Right.

• 5:57Matt Farah?

  Got to put your name, got to put your stamp on something.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  His discipline beat his discipline.

• 6:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, you know, like, obviously, fucking, I don't give a shit what people take. No problem, take it, have fun. But yeah, Needles was the only reason I didn't. If there was like a fucking one that was pills, I would have been 100% in on day one.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  I mean, there's definitely steroids that are pills, but they're different.

• 6:20Matt Farah?

  Like an Ozempic, probably like drug.

• 6:22Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 6:23Matt Farah?

  And in 2023, I would have taken that shit orally. Right away, right away. But I didn't want to do the old stabskis. If I'm about to die, no problem with the stabskis, but short of that, it's gotta be an EpiPen. And I don't really have any.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  One day we'll, we'll come in and you're gonna have like the steroid delt that's like very hard to build. And I'll be like, ah.

• 6:49Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, it's Memorial Day today. You're not gonna be listening to this on Memorial Day, almost certainly. Um, but day started off, uh, fun. Uh, you know, when you get a text from somebody at seven o'clock in the morning on a holiday saying, uh, you're not gonna believe this one. And, um, Eric's desk exploded.

• 7:12Speaker 01

  I'm gonna see if I can put it on the chat.

• 7:14Matt Farah?

  Oh, you can, uh, you can airdrop it. Yeah. Um, I have the security video. It happened in approximately ten, ten something last night. Um, I don't know if this has ever happened to anybody else. You know, this is actually the second time this has happened to me.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  What?

• 7:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The first time.

• 7:30Speaker 01

  Stop fucking on the desk, man.

• 7:31Matt Farah?

  The first time, we gotta go back to 99. And what I'm talking about right now is spontaneous glass combustion.

• 7:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:39Matt Farah?

  Maybe someone out there's had this happen. You ever have a, a table that's made of glass? Or a door that's made of glass and glacier type of folks will, will say that this is like, actually happens a lot. Um, so in the bottom of this video, Eric's desk is glass and there it goes. It just decides to exit the building.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  And on top of it was what, an iMac?

• 8:04Matt Farah?

  On top of that is an iMac and a phone and, you know, a bunch of other regular desk stuff that all sort of tumbles into the center.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  It should be said that like the weight of those things are mostly over the supports.

• 8:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, no, this is not, this was not a weight issue. This desk has been there for five years. It's like, it's the, and, and yes, the heavy thing is on the stanchion. It's not adding weight.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:27Matt Farah?

  Um, so it, and, but this is the second time this happened. The last time this happened, take it back to 99. We're at my friend Dave D's house, his parents' house in Mamaroneck, New York, beautiful home on the water. High schoolers, we're high school seniors and, uh, we're sitting out by their pool. And, you know, one of those big round glass outdoor tables, you know, them tables that everyone had in the nineties where the ta, the glass is a little wavy. You know those tables?

• 8:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:57Matt Farah?

  Sitting around and I remember it distinctly because everyone had brought their own bong. So not only did the table break, but it took everyone's bong with it. Took like five really nice bongs out with it.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  I think big parent was up to something. I think they.

• 9:16Matt Farah?

  Someone could get a squib on that.

• 9:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. They did a little tap tap. They knew you're having a party the next day. They put a little, little scratch in there. Wow.

• 9:24Matt Farah?

  And this wasn't pre-internet, but it was like almost pre-internet. It was way pre YouTube or anything like that. And so, uh, and certainly pre-smartphone. And so it was like, we thought the fucking poltergeist was doing like.

• 9:39Speaker 01

  Well, especially if you were a post-bong.

• 9:40Matt Farah?

  We're sitting around the table. It's not, we all watched it happen. It wasn't like we walked away and came back and it was broken. Like, you know, without a security camera, you'd think someone's walked, got somehow broke into the building and smashed this thing. But like, it just, it happens. It's spontaneous glass combustion. So.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Imagine the smell of that patio. You gotta throw it away. Just five bongs just burst. Oh, God.

• 10:08Matt Farah?

  What do you do?

• 10:09Speaker 01

  Did the parents think that you guys were lying and you all had your alibi together? That you're like, all of you are like, we swear.

• 10:15Matt Farah?

  Nobody, nobody believed us that it was a spontaneous glass explosion.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Of course not.

• 10:22Matt Farah?

  Just like nobody believed us that we saw that movie that we told our parents we saw. It's like, yeah, we were high as fuck, but we did go to the movie, Mom. Just sucked.

• 10:32Speaker 01

  That's so funny.

• 10:34Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, I mean, that my morning was spent with Vinny cleaning up safety glass from the floor.

• 10:43Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, and now until we get a new desk, Eric down there, we got took the little like, uh, you know, plastic folding table. It looks like Eric's fucking running a library book sale down there.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I said he was demoted. I texted him.

• 10:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so, uh, so that was fun. Um, I do, uh, I do have to issue a correction. The, uh, the patron who called me out last episode was correct. Uh, about the, the Cybertruck loan thing. I checked every source and I swear to God, don't know where I got it from, but not true. Uh, so I apologize and that's my bad. I'll tell you what, though. That shit has been in there for a long time.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  What?

• 11:31Matt Farah?

  What, the, the wrong thing that I thought?

• 11:33Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 11:33Matt Farah?

  I've thought that for a long time. I didn't just come up with that now. That goes fucking back, back. I don't know how long I've thought that, but it's been a long time. But like, dude, who knows? I, uh, you know, who knows? I'm sorry, uh, that was incorrect.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 11:51Matt Farah?

  But I checked with everyone, up to and including Niedermeyer. I was like, dude, help me out. Where did this come from? He was like, I don't know, dude, but that ain't right.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  Oh, man. Alright, well, I'll add a, a comment.

• 12:02Matt Farah?

  So, yeah, you can add a, yeah. I mean, my bad. I don't know, I don't know why I thought that, but.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  It's the, the thing, the why gets around the world, so.

• 12:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  You read it somewhere or something?

• 12:11Matt Farah?

  It came from, it came from somewhere and the somewhere, you know, appeared perfectly credible at the time. But it go, that shit goes back years for reals. Like.

• 12:21Speaker 01

  I've been telling people that for a while.

• 12:23Matt Farah?

  I mean, I, well, like, what are you gonna do other than be like, whoops? And, you know, own up to that shit?

• 12:27Speaker 01

  That's what you have to do.

• 12:28Matt Farah?

  And, and go about your life. Otherwise, if I, if I, you know, I don't know. But you gotta own up to it first. First, step one. My bad.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 12:35Matt Farah?

  And whoever that was, I forget who it was, the patron, it's a regular, uh, in the comments or in the, in the questions who called me out. Good call out.

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Also, I appreciate the way they approached it. They're like, because they said, I looked around for this thing, I can't find it. Can you direct me that information?

• 12:51Matt Farah?

  And you know what happened? I went and looked.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Go fuck yourself.

• 12:53Matt Farah?

  No, I went and looked. I spent, I spent probably more time than I should have allocated to it, but you know what? It ended in a fucking goose egg.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  Ooh, awkward.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Joseph Smith, can you find these golden plates again? Actually, I can't.

• 13:08Matt Farah?

  Yikes.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  I got a Beetle story from my mom.

• 13:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, fuck yeah, dude, let's go.

• 13:14Speaker 01

  If you didn't listen, both of our parents-

• 13:16Matt Farah?

  It's really Volkswagen week on this road.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Matt's dad owned a VW Beetle. My mom also owned one at basically the same time, I think, late 60s. So, and she had a slightly different interest and reason for buying it than your dad.

• 13:31Speaker 01

  So she had a Mustang for a while. She traded it and got an old MGTD, which is what she really, really wanted.

• 13:38Matt Farah?

  An MGTD?

• 13:39Speaker 01

  MGTD.

• 13:40Matt Farah?

  Whoa.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  And, I'm gonna find this thing.

• 13:45Matt Farah?

  Where did she live at the time?

• 13:46Speaker 01

  Bakersfield. And her dad owned a scrap-

• 13:48Matt Farah?

  What?

• 13:48Speaker 01

  Her dad owned a scrapyard. So it's possible, I don't know, I didn't get the story on this.

• 13:53Matt Farah?

  Dude, an MGTD is an MG from the 50s that looks like it's from the fucking 30s.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's Mini Gatsby. It's Mini Gatsby status.

• 14:02Matt Farah?

  But people ran these things in like trials and shit.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  The British hill climb in the dirt that they call trials.

• 14:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:09Speaker 01

  Exactly, so-

• 14:10Matt Farah?

  Very charming.

• 14:11Speaker 01

  Super charming.

• 14:12Matt Farah?

  What? Okay, she goes from a Mustang to this.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Exactly. And she wanted this for a long time, she said. And her parents got her a Mustang instead. Maybe scrapyard supply situation.

• 14:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah, if you're parents, you're not fucking getting this for your kid.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  No, no, definitely. Look at these, look at these wheels.

• 14:30Matt Farah?

  Not if a Mustang, not if a relatively new Mustang is available at the time.

• 14:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right.

• 14:37Matt Farah?

  You're in the middle 60s, you're not fucking buying this thing for your kid.

• 14:40Speaker 01

  Get a 10-year-old British car that no one can work on.

• 14:44Matt Farah?

  Okay, Sheldon, like, fuck.

• 14:47Speaker 01

  Nigel.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  We take it to Nigel.

• 14:51Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  I don't know why her parents sound like that.

• 14:52Matt Farah?

  All right, so she's in an MGTD?

• 14:54Speaker 01

  So she had this, I guess they had to like fix it up a bit. And then her boyfriend at the time crashed it very soon after. And so she said after all the work that had gone into it, she figured she should get something, quote, "more humble, cheaper, and easily replaceable." Plus, the Volkswagen was super cool and innovative at the time.

• 15:13Speaker 01

  She wrote, "Kind of like the Tesla truck."

• 15:17Matt Farah?

  Shit, wow.

• 15:18Speaker 01

  I have to ask her follow-up questions on why she thinks that's innovative.

• 15:21Matt Farah?

  Context matters.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Look, she's like 82. She's like, "Look at this amazing truck."

• 15:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  I'll explain when I see them this week. Um, I said, "What about if it was innovative? I know, but I want to know what you saw." And she said, "The shape, easy as pie, smooth gear shift, and the agility."

• 15:36Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  So she liked the size, the shifting, and the shape.

• 15:39Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 15:40Speaker 01

  I guess so she liked the rear engine, front trunk.

• 15:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, I, yeah, yeah.

• 15:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:45Matt Farah?

  Wow, okay, so she actually like, her, these are totally different opinions.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:51Matt Farah?

  Meanwhile, it was also the fucking like cheapest car, you know, around.

• 15:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:55Matt Farah?

  So, uh, okay, cool. Thank you, Klapman.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:00Matt Farah?

  Thank you very much. Um, so, uh, a couple of things. Uh, one, I drove a PCH for the first time on Sunday. It's open, two lanes each way. Folks gotta take a quick break from the show for Truework, who is supporting us this week. Look, most gear gets built to look like it works. Truework is different. Built for real conditions, hot rooftops, quick turns, jobs that don't ease up. With sweat-wicking fabric, unrestricted movement, and strength that holds firm under pressure, Truework helps keep pace when it matters. They're not here to mimic hard work, they're here to support it.

• 16:43Matt Farah?

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• 17:26Matt Farah?

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• 18:11Matt Farah?

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• 18:56Matt Farah?

  They are a loved bunch in my house. We have four of them. We've set up our entire house to make their lives better. Um, but the one thing they're picky about, not where they sleep, which is anywhere. Not the scruples they like, which is all of them. And not the snergs, because they like them too. But sometimes they get very picky about their food. They decide out of nowhere that they don't like the food anymore. And you've already bought like three months worth of food. It's like, it's a, it can be a disaster. Right? Maybe this- This is your cat, or maybe your cat is having digestive issues, or throwing up, or getting hairballs, or maybe in need of a diet upgrade? You know who's in need of a diet upgrade? Cricket. My cricket is a little bit spherical, and we need to work on that.

• 19:40Matt Farah?

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• 20:23Matt Farah?

  Cricket is a little too round. But they all eat together, so they kind of have to have the same diet. You can't just feed one cat differently. So, they sent me a sort of a variety pack, and man, did my cats just rip through everything. And even if you give your cats dry food, Smalls makes a good topper, because you really should transition. You've got to have some protein-filled wet food in your cat's diet. You can't just have kibble all the time. Right? Right. After switching to Smalls, 88% of cat owners reported overall health improvements, which is a huge deal. Smalls is so confident that your cat will love their product, that you can try it risk-free, that means they will refund you fully if your cat doesn't eat their food.

• 21:07Matt Farah?

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• 21:47Matt Farah?

  I drove a PCH for the first time on Sunday. It's open, two lanes each way.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  And, you know, seeing things that are not there anymore is pretty shocking. I know there's plenty of videos of it and, you know, people with passes have been driving up and down there for months.

• 22:10Matt Farah?

  But pretty terrible thing to see. Interesting thing to be seeing from the ID Buzz, which is like the cheeriest, you know, thing ever. Going by these like, you know, burnt out shells of businesses and stuff, but.

• 22:26Matt Farah?

  Particularly if you're in LA, now that it's open. Please drive safely and go back to Malibu and support businesses and restaurants and stuff like that. Them motherfuckers have been on an island for a minute. Yeah. I've been doing all my shopping in Malibu. And, but it's good. Yeah. PCH being open, I think, you know, the traffic for the last five and a half months has been horrific. Because everyone from there has to go around this other one way. Cause there's mountains and that's it. So hopefully that relieves some of the shit show in the mornings and afternoons here and like. You know, it's nice to have at least partial PCH back.

• 23:10Matt Farah?

  People were getting really shitty about PCH not reopening and. I have to believe that well intentioned people were making every good faith effort to get the fucking road open.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  The busiest highway, it's probably the busiest scenic highway. In the United States that's also used for commuting. You know, I mean, it is a tourist destination on its own. And it is where how people get to and from work from Thousand Oaks and Oxnard and all the other places like. No one wants it open more than the people that probably run the highway.

• 23:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So thanks for all that hard work and keep it up. But it's, yeah, it's gonna be a little slow, probably, particularly during like busy beach hours and stuff. But definitely, uh, smooth.

• 23:57Matt Farah?

  Passable, doable in sports cars. It's not like hacked up and I mean, couple of sections a little bumpier than they used to be, but like not terrible. Can do in a sports car both ways.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Did the tarmac get wrinkled from the heat or something?

• 24:10Matt Farah?

  A little bit or from something. Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what, but there's a little, little, little shittiness, but fucking sad, man. But I'm glad it's like at least moving towards, you know, something. The understanding, our friend Peter, who lost his house, the guy who wrote Demolition Man. It seems based on his social media that he intends to rebuild his house. So it's on the, it's on the ocean there. Yeah. So he's like, he's posting a lot of pictures of just like empty lots. I mean, I get it, but like, um, should we?

• 24:50Matt Farah?

  Talk about that Porsche Cayman? Cause it is. It is really.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  It's worth talking about.

• 24:57Matt Farah?

  Really something. Boy, did it get, yeah, there it is right there, top center. You can, you can skip to the photo that doesn't have me in it. Photos two and three don't have me in it. That is fucking, just keep, I just, I'm always ruining photos by like being in them. It's like, get the fuck out of the way. Show me the car.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  But the algorithm shows that people, a photo with your face probably outperforms a photo.

• 25:20Matt Farah?

  I got a yellow shirt and then we're really in the money, bro.

• 25:25Matt Farah?

  Uh, so yeah, um, there's a company out of Florida, Daytona.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  FloRida.

• 25:31Matt Farah?

  FloRida called, uh, uh, BGB Motorsports. They're, they, they, they're a racing team. I don't, I, from what I gathered from John, like they don't really do street cars, like really at all. They're really a racing team. They're an IMSA, they're, they're an endurance team. And, uh, and they build fucking race cars. And you know how, here's how I know that they're good at this because their website is terrible. And if you're usually, if you're in the motorsports industry, if you have like a great website. I would look out. If your website was made in like 2002 and never touched and maybe just like added to, like there's like 75 menus at the top of this website, usually

• 26:15Matt Farah?

  you're pretty good at your job because you're too busy doing your job to fuck with the website.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  And they have been a race team for about 20 years.

• 26:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Racing in IMSA, Michelin, whatever, you know, all the different names that they've used for that series, but that's where their focus is, is sports car racing.

• 26:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And so Mitch, who we, from M Engineering, Mitch McKee, who we've had on the show, emails me and he goes, "Hey, man, I tuned this thing and like you have to drive this, like it's batshit." And I was like, you know, all right. So he introduced me to John from BGB, uh, who's, uh, who says he's gonna bring the car out here. Um, I'm like, "Okay, you know, if you want to." So this is a, a Cayman, a 2016 Cayman GTS with, uh, the engine from a 991.2 Turbo

• 27:04Matt Farah?

  S. Uh, it does fit, technically speaking. Um, the intake plumbing and, uh, charge cooler plumbing takes up basically all of the rear trunk.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 27:20Matt Farah?

  Um, and there is a...

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Water tank in the front, in the front.

• 27:25Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  Which is used for the water air intercooler.

• 27:28Matt Farah?

  Yes. Yeah. Uh, which is in the front. It's got like a front mount. Uh, what they, I suppose you used to call a front mount, is now just called a fucking intercooler. Uh, so you do lose some cargo space, but other than that, the car works at, pretty much, quote, "as factory," meaning like all the functions work.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:48Matt Farah?

  Gauges work, the climate control works, the, you know, the power seats work. Like you, you can push buttons and the things do what they're supposed to do. Uh, it's really loud.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Extremely loud. I think it's louder...

• 28:01Speaker 01

  Or tied with a GT4RS. It's a slightly different tone, but it's

• 28:06Matt Farah?

  No, it's definitely louder.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Because you also have wastegate and turbo whistle added to the intake, which they put the intakes just behind your ears, much like GT4RS, which you can see in this photo if you're watching. And then the intake tubes run through the trunk and then down into the airbox.

• 28:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so it, the airbox is in a different place than GT4RS where it's right behind your head. So you don't have that intake resonance. Instead, as John is trying to work his way through, you have a bit of an exhaust drone because of how you have to root the exhaust. And he's like, this guy, this poor guy's like tearing his hair out to try to figure out how to get rid of this drone.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  His description was wonderful. He's like, 2600 to 3300 is drone town.

• 28:49Matt Farah?

  18 to 26.

• 28:51Speaker 01

  18 to 26.

• 28:52Matt Farah?

  If you keep it over 3, it's okay. Which, because of Porsche, it's fine. And, you know, it's essentially a stock engine.

• 29:02Matt Farah?

  They, other than what they've had to plum to make it fit, and the aftermarket cooling, it is a stock engine. It's running what he's calling a stock map, although it's sort of optimized.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  He, I mean, well, it was confusing. The dyno chart looks super smooth and great, but he said it's a stock map.

• 29:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 29:23Speaker 01

  So I think it's, I think it's running stock boost levels and everything. They didn't turn it up beyond that. I think they just had that.

• 29:29Matt Farah?

  Just make it nice.

• 29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:30Matt Farah?

  But he also had to have Mitch do it because he's using the Cayman's PDK. Like, it's not the PDK from the 911 because it goes the other way.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:38Matt Farah?

  Right? So it's, so there is a limitation theoretically at the gearbox, right?

• 29:46Speaker 01

  Power limitation, right?

• 29:47Matt Farah?

  A power limitation. And so, you know, a couple of people, you know, ask, rightly so, like, is it running like 700 horsepower? Because you can't, it's like, no, it's running like, he said 580.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  580 wheel, he said.

• 29:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, which is like 650.

• 30:00Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 30:01Matt Farah?

  And, and a very flat, very big torque curve.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:04Matt Farah?

  And so, on the street, this is a lot faster than my car.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  It's really

• 30:11Matt Farah?

  Car makes 520 at the wheels, 528 at the wheels, according to that dyno. But it, you know, it builds and builds and builds and builds and the peak is up at eight. So most of the time, it's not actually making that. Whereas with these turbo cars, with that torque curve, you know, you hit the fucking pedal and at three, from three to eight, you're at V max acceleration, basically.

• 30:32Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, I think the number was, it was making like 350 pound-feet at like 3,000 rpm. And then the peak torque was five whatever, and it, and that was happening at 4,100, which is all still, which is far earlier, obviously, than peak torque of the NA engine. And I guess earlier than your engine too.

• 30:50Matt Farah?

  And then peak horsepower is like 72, so it's a wider spread. Whereas my engine, I think peak torque is 370, but it's like 5,600 rpm, you know, and then peak power is 8250. So this is a real meaty punch, right in the middle, uh, far earlier than my car. Plus, you have like that, like, that huge, like, inhalation, you know, and, and spool, and you get to ride that, uh, wave. I mean, this actually, this feels like it actually finally maxes out the chassis.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:28Matt Farah?

  You know, particularly because this car doesn't have a wing on it. And for me, when you got going, uh, you know, you're, you approach the end of straightaways much quicker than in other, almost anything. I mean, basically, this is as fast as McLaren 570.

• 31:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:47Matt Farah?

  Perhaps 600 LT. It's, that's what we're talking about, but in a Cayman.

• 31:51Speaker 01

  It feel, and it, and sound-wise, it reminded me so much of like McLaren 650.

• 31:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  And the power delivery, the torque curve, and also that intake sound, the whistle. It was very much like driving those McLarens that have the, the intake, like, on the roof.

• 32:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:04Speaker 01

  Sensory, not overload, but close.

• 32:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  It's good.

• 32:07Matt Farah?

  And in fact, if they, if they pursue this, I mean, the side window scoops, like, are very cool. But I might also consider a roof scoop option.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:16Matt Farah?

  Could be extremely rad. Um, uh, and he knows about the aerodynamics. So about, if that's viable or not, I'm sure he could tell you, because he probably does, like, wind tunnel shit. But, um.

• 32:28Matt Farah?

  It did feel in a lot of ways like when you started pushing it and going really quick through corners and stuff, the rear end felt like I'm, I'm getting to the edge of what this is actually capable of. And certainly at the end of the straightaway, when you went from gas to brake, the rear went, which is what early McLaren 570s did too. Um, you need, this needs, I told him, like, I mean, he knows too. It needs like the RS wing basically on it to keep the back on the

• 32:58Speaker 01

  There's a reason RS has it, you know, and it's like, I love the Cayman's little duck tail and it looks nice and stuff, but when you can get going as fast as you can in this, and then you jump on the brakes and you throw that in the back, like you'll, you'll opt for the wing.

• 33:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's what it has right now is like a runway setup.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:13Matt Farah?

  You know, where you can, you can go flat, flat, flat, flat, flat, and then just lightly roll out of it and transfer the weight smoothly and then like it's fine. But if you go get full gas to heavy brake, ooh, that gets light back there.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, and you're going very, very fast. It also has the, the club sport brakes, which is really cool. And, uh, John said he worked with, uh, whoever the, the pad company was.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  Carbon.

• 33:40Matt Farah?

  Carbotech.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Carbotech.

• 33:41Matt Farah?

  Carbotech, I think it was Carbotech, to make a pad that fit the club sport brakes, but was more like a high-performance street pad that wasn't as noisy.

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. So it's a no squeak track pad almost.

• 33:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:56Matt Farah?

  Which is pretty cool.

• 33:57Speaker 01

  And it's a, it's a one-off because he was like, I know you guys would complain about the squeaking, but you got a race caliper and race cars don't give a shit if they squeak. Cause there's all the kinds of noise anyway. But yeah, they got this one-off pad that, uh, apparently everyone's asking him to make.

• 34:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  And he's like, hold on, slow down.

• 34:14Matt Farah?

  Um, but yeah, this thing was, this is really wild stuff. Excuse me. And, sorry.

• 34:22Matt Farah?

  And I don't think he's, I don't, it doesn't seem like they're trying to like make a run of these. You know, this one's still like a little scruffy. It's like a prototype-y thing, but it does work.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:34Matt Farah?

  Um, but I think if people do want one, you know, they're willing to, there's some different things you could do.

• 34:43Matt Farah?

  He did, he, John emailed me and he was like, see, I, cause I put in his head, he should do a Boxer. And he was like, he's like, should I, he's like, I either wanna do this with a manual or like a GT4RS manual swap or like this in a Boxer Spider. I was like, I don't know. All of those sound pretty fun, but like, um, I don't know. I vote for finishing this first with a wing and that kinda stuff. And going out and like making a video where you beat a McLaren around something.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Well, that's cause the challenge of the Spider would be the air intake, right? Cause you, cause right now the intakes are up near your shoulders, which was interesting. He said they did that on their race cars because the air is much cooler. You know, you're further away from the hot tarmac. And so the intake temperature, what did he say? It's like basically just 10 degrees above ambient, whereas if it's down low, it's pulling from the, the heat from the brake rotor and the tarmac and it could be like, you know, 110, 120, depending on where you're racing.

• 35:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. He said if they were doing a Spider, he might have to eliminate the roof entirely for, to make space for other stuff, but he might also have to do a, like a snorkel scoop of some kind. And I was like, yeah, that sounds, that sounds alright. I'm, I'm in. Sounds like a good time.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  If it's shaped well, it works for Gunther Works, you know? They got all the speedster things. No one needs a roof.

• 35:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like, this is, this was really something.

• 36:03Speaker 01

  This was the most exciting Cayman I've ever driven and I think above GT4RS only because of that torque punch, all the sounds. I mean, it sounds like it's half, you know, Mark IV Supra big turbo, but then you have Porsche flat six sound. You've got the intake right behind you and it's so small. It just makes it extra exciting and it doesn't feel. As planted as like a GT4RS or a GT3 or GT2RS. So because it's small, it doesn't have the aerodynamics sorted out in the back. So it's like extra exciting. It's fucking cool.

• 36:35Matt Farah?

  Real rowdy.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Yeah. Oh, and it still has, it still has the stock adaptive damper. But it's got a new spring on it and then a bunch of club sport like control arms and things.

• 36:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah, basically they wanted it to work like OEM. So they did the complete club sport everything. But took out the club sport fixed damper and put in the GT4 adaptive damper.

• 37:01Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 37:02Matt Farah?

  So, I mean, I don't know, I thought the ride was great. Like it was fine. You did actually have to drive it in the sport shock. You did not want to fuck with this thing in the normal shock. It actually was too, it was past that. It also has some, I don't know what the tires were, but they were some sticky ickies. They were something very sticky.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  PS4, I don't know.

• 37:23Matt Farah?

  No, they weren't PS4s. They were definitely R compounds, like either Toyo proxies or the like R888s or something. They weren't that loud, but they were really, really sticky.

• 37:36Matt Farah?

  It was just, it was a lot. This thing is, this was a handful of a car.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:40Matt Farah?

  Very, very exciting. And you, you know, you can, you could drive it slower. Like you don't have to go that fast. But like we, me and Zach, we only have one day. Let's fucking make sure this is a good time. And it's funny because John kept, you know, this is a guy who builds race cars. And we went up, did our normal thing on the mountain. There is a video of this, by the way, and you'll, you'll, you guys will, you'll get it sooner rather than later.

• 38:06Matt Farah?

  But he was like, yeah, cars never been driven that hard. I was like, you, race, you got, we're not like, we didn't do, I, we didn't drive, I swear to God, did not drive it that hard. So I don't know how it like looks from the outside or whatever. Or like what he is really like expecting, but like they build race cars. Like I, I would have thought that they, that hard would be a, a different, you know, like the Overton window for hard is like not.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  And I would add that this car had 3000 miles on it. And I believe they've taken it to racetracks in Florida. So maybe he's done the driving and it's different when you're, you know, we hear this all the time. When you watch your car get driven.

• 38:42Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 38:43Speaker 01

  You go, ooh, is that hard, is that fast, whatever.

• 38:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  Maybe it was that kind of thing.

• 38:47Matt Farah?

  And I don't mean this like in a, in a, in a, in a negative way towards him or the, in any way. It's just like, uh, I've heard, and I've heard it from other people before, oh, it's been hard. It's like, really? Like, I don't think I went within 1,500 RPM of the red line more than once or twice, just to see what would happen.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  It's a surprising descriptor.

• 39:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  It's not, it's nothing about their assessment. It's like, we are surprised that they use that word.

• 39:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Do you think it's because they're always, when we're doing the drive-bys, they're always standing where you're standing? And I'm literally doing things to create whatever the maximum drama at that moment for the camera. Could that, whether it's like a back, a backfire, or like a boost spool or something for the camera? And so they

• 39:31Speaker 01

  Possibly.

• 39:32Matt Farah?

  They don't realize that as soon as I go around the corner, I'm just like pottering around to the next like

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Probably, and also like they're, they're closer to the road where if you're a racetrack.

• 39:39Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 39:40Speaker 01

  How close can you get to most of the track, depending on where you are? Sometimes there's barriers that are, separate you by several feet.

• 39:46Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  Twenty feet?

• 39:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 39:49Matt Farah?

  Follow up with that one.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  It's fucking exciting and fast and loud. I mean, this, it would be hard, it'd be hard to drive this on the street for any time beyond, I'm driving to the canyon, I'm in the canyon, or I'm driving to a racetrack. I'm like, this for me is a once a week kind of thing, unless you're really into crazy science experiments.

• 40:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, this, this is, this is not a daily driver car. I mean, even though it's automatic, right? And even though it's got comfort seats, and it actually has like extended leather and some night, you know, contrast stitching. Like, it's a pretty nice car they started with. Um, but it's just too fucking loud. I mean, you can't, you couldn't drive this every day. Um, maybe if it was a Spyder, it wouldn't, it wouldn't be as loud somehow, because the roof does keep things in.

• 40:37Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 40:37Matt Farah?

  And you're sharing airspace with the entire length of the intake tubes.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 40:42Matt Farah?

  Um, but if, if they, if they figure out how to kill the exhaust drone, which I think they will eventually, some combination of parts will work. Um, or customization or who the fuck knows. Maybe they have to shoot them straight back up through the, you know, through the roof. Um, then that, but yeah, for the, but if you got, if you want to go McLaren fast in a Cayman, this, that's it.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I want to look up what McLaren 650 prices are.

• 41:11Matt Farah?

  Oh, used 650? A buck and a, buck and a quarter?

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Wow. Well, in 2023, you could get one on Cars and Bids for 100 grand, which is

• 41:22Matt Farah?

  I think, I think Harry Metcalf got one pretty, pretty cheap. Like, like he traded in a Mira for it cheap. Probably threw in a little extra cash on top, but

• 41:33Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 41:34Matt Farah?

  I think he talked about what he paid for it, but it didn't seem, I don't think it was much.

• 41:37Speaker 01

  That's nuts.

• 41:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, 650s are not expensive. I mean, excuse me, relative to what they once, you know, were.

• 41:46Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 41:47Matt Farah?

  Uh, and, and what, what that money is buying you in terms of speed.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Which was the carbon floor one we drove? Was that 650 GT?

• 41:54Matt Farah?

  675 LT. Oh, you mean the black, that black one?

• 42:00Speaker 01

  I think I'm thinking like the 570.

• 42:03Matt Farah?

  You're thinking, there was like a 620R.

• 42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that.

• 42:05Matt Farah?

  We had, yeah. 620Rs are probably rare. I think that was a very limited edition car, whereas a 600LT is a much more common version of that. And they're still kind of expensive. I mean, I catch myself again. They're all fucking crazy expensive.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  No, you're right. I mean, 620Rs are holding value a bit better because they're

• 42:28Matt Farah?

  They're rare.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  They were 300 to start.

• 42:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:30Speaker 01

  Um, yeah. Cause I was trying to figure out like what you compare this to and, and the price of the thing and what you could get for it in terms of excitement and speed and stuff like, so.

• 42:39Matt Farah?

  Right. So they, it's, it's, it's about a hundred and 20,000 dollars plus any Cayman from 2016 till now.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 42:49Matt Farah?

  Any engine, any Cayman, any engine. So.

• 42:52Speaker 01

  Find one with a blown engine.

• 42:53Matt Farah?

  If you find, yeah, I mean, you know, you, you probably don't want like a base one because you're just going to have to do a lot of suspension work. You know, if you start with like a Spyder or a GT4, I mean, uh, they can't do Spiders yet, but if you were to start with a GT4 with a blown motor, you know, you could be in a pretty good spot.

• 43:14Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 43:15Matt Farah?

  That's a great spot to be.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:19Matt Farah?

  Because what's I mean, I don't know what a GT four with a blown motor goes for, but let's call it, take a swing at it and call it fifty? Forty, forty to fifty grand? I'm not really sure. But add one twenty, you could, if you could keep this under two hundred thousand dollars, I mean, it's a, that's a weapon. You know, and it's fucking much weirder than showing up in a whatever, you know, used McLaren.

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:44Matt Farah?

  Um, I don't suspect they'll sell too many of these because it's very extreme. Um, but it's a cool thing to know that someone can do. And now we know a nine eleven Turbo S engine fits in a Cayman. And that's a good thing to know.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  It's pretty wild, yeah, a little bit of, they didn't have to do too much, like any cutting or anything. They had to like flip the engine around and, oh, and I asked if they had to make new engine mounts. And he said, because Porsche is Porsche, you know, they try to do the most engineering in the beginning to make the most things fit as easily as possible later. So in the engine, there were actually, uh, holes that were like tapped that just needed to be drilled through to then mounted in the Cayman.

• 44:25Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Or vice versa, but like, yeah, no, I think it was in the engine case, like the engine case is basically ready for either thing. You just have to like drill the hole. So that actually fit pretty easily. It was the programming that took. He said it was four months between when they installed the shit and turned it on and when getting it out of park.

• 44:41Matt Farah?

  Wow.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:42Matt Farah?

  Here's a hypothetical, if they wanted to actually sell these types of cars. Instead of using a nine eleven Turbo S engine, I would use the lesser three liter engine, tune it to about four hundred horsepower, four hundred, maybe four fifty on a, an over boost or a sport mode. Right? Make it like pretty reasonable and make it like not so loud. You know, figure out like a streetable intake option. You know, leave it with cats. So maybe it has like a chance of passing, you know, carb. And I think you would have a package and and I know it, the problem is it wouldn't be any less expensive to like engineer that.

• 45:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 45:26Matt Farah?

  And it wouldn't be less, like it probably the the packaging and all that would be almost the same.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably.

• 45:31Matt Farah?

  You know.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Cause you have to keep it cool.

• 45:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:34Matt Farah?

  And it and it it probably is designed to fit in the same cradle, cause the the in the nine eleven, it would fit in the same place and the same way.

• 45:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:42Matt Farah?

  So they're probably interchangeable in that. Maybe they are, maybe the engineering is transferable. And like, you could just use that engine instead and save money that way.

• 45:52Speaker 01

  Uh, that's true, if you want.

• 45:54Matt Farah?

  Or if you wanted something that like wasn't quite so nuts.

• 45:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:57Matt Farah?

  But still was like, I mean, look, if this thing had four hundred and fifty horsepower, it would still be faster than any other Cayman on the road.

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Right, and you have that low torque, which is really nice.

• 46:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it would rip.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 46:08Matt Farah?

  Um, it might even be a better Canyon car, because, you know, the boost really starts coming on in this car around three thousand RPM, and maybe if you had the smaller turbos or smaller, it might come on earlier and it might actually feel quicker on the street.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 46:22Matt Farah?

  Um, or as quick. Um, we'll have to ask John what the math is on if they were to do one that had a smaller engine, if that would, I suspect he say, he would say, the diff, the incremental difference in buying a Carrera-based engine versus a turbo engine used is, and the once, you know, the, and and having a separate set of engineering for that, for that engine, probably not worth it.

• 46:46Speaker 01

  Cause the price of the engine, he said, was, it surprised me, I think it was like fifteen to twenty for a Turbo S engine.

• 46:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  So it was a lot, it was lower than I was expecting, I guess if there's a car around it that's destroyed, then, you know, and how many things can it go into? Not many, it's not like an LS, which, you know, goes in much easier.

• 47:03Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 47:03Speaker 01

  But I wonder if with the smaller engine thing, you run into the same thing we discussed with Koenigsegg in the three-cylinder, where if the person can shell out the money for this conversion, which is expensive.

• 47:12Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  And you go, hey, we offer a weaker engine also, but it costs almost the same, so put it in, they go, why would I do that?

• 47:18Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 47:19Speaker 01

  You know.

• 47:19Matt Farah?

  That makes sense. The only reason I could think of is like, it's quieter and mellow enough to actually use as a. Regular car.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  No, it might be a better thing, but funny enough, when you get to that type of project.

• 47:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 47:32Speaker 01

  People go, I want the bigger name of Turbo S and the more expensive and the more power.

• 47:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, it's like Prininger told me, people will suffer through any financial penalty or indignity in the car if it, if it makes it go faster. You know, like, Andy, why does it not have a trunk? A 911 is supposed to have a trunk. Well, it goes faster and the RS people would rather it goes faster than have a trunk.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, look, we just did that with this. This has no trunk and half a frunk now and we're on board.

• 48:05Matt Farah?

  That's, I really like this guy, John, and I really like this car, but I don't want one. I want the one I have and part of that is because none of that other shit is impacted.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  True.

• 48:16Matt Farah?

  You know, and this is for hardcore people, like really fucking hardcore people. Yeah, and that's cool. There's a few of them.

• 48:24Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. I'm really, I love this science experiment shit.

• 48:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, it's excellent and we should figure out the, what the math would be on the smaller engine. It might be a more reasonable option, particularly if, you know, like if in like the Boxer cars or something, if it's hard to get as much cooling or whatever.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:43Matt Farah?

  You know, if there's a benefit to that, you know, the, to a Roadster that has a slightly, I don't know, smaller, I don't know, fucking, got it. Anyway, it's fun. Thank you to them. Check out the video. Um, I am, uh, pretty much out of notes. Wow, that Celsius makes me burp so much. That shit is like fucking super, super bubbly.

• 49:09Speaker 01

  At least your skin doesn't itch.

• 49:10Matt Farah?

  Huh?

• 49:10Speaker 01

  At least your skin doesn't itch.

• 49:12Matt Farah?

  Says you. Anything I tell you, everything?

• 49:18Matt Farah?

  Um, let's go to the Patreon. Um, I love the Patreon. I love you patrons. You guys are great. Call me on my bullshit sometimes. That's okay. Um, the Patreon, which you can find at patreon.com/the-smoking-tire-podcast is where you will find exclusive content, extra pro driver shows, content released before the general public gets it, content without advertising, live programming, and the ability to ask questions of your hosts during the live streams.

• 49:55Speaker 01

  That was solid.

• 49:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 49:56Speaker 01

  You watching the new, the farm show?

• 50:00Matt Farah?

  The egret. Um, let's go to it. Oh, you.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  Oh, sorry, I'm adding.

• 50:05Matt Farah?

  Oh, I just saw the username Buck Melanoma wins the day. Faux fucking real. Uh, let's go to the angle of the dangle. Have the M4 GTS hit their ceiling and what's your, their, what's their basement in your opinion? Uh, well, I mean, there was a peak. There was a flipper market and then they, they come down. I don't know what the, I mean, there is, I'm sure there's a floor, but like, I don't know. The thing about the M4 GTS is it's not that cool to me. I don't, I haven't really paid much attention to the market on those. I don't really know what they go for. Let's, uh, let's try cars and bids today. Let's look for an M4 GTS on cars and bids

• 50:47Matt Farah?

  and let's see what some of the results are. We've had three different M4 GTSs here at, uh, WCCS since they came out. Um.

• 50:59Speaker 01

  Let me look up.

• 51:00Matt Farah?

  I don't like the seats, Zach. They aren't comfortable.

• 51:04Speaker 01

  No, nothing on cars.

• 51:05Matt Farah?

  None. Okay. Let's, uh, let's try the old. Bringeth of a trailer. Or the, yeah, no, these are gonna be, these are gonna be auctions. I don't know what the floor is on these. I mean, certainly, uh, the, it has aesthetically aged quite, quite nicely.

• 51:22Matt Farah?

  Do we have any, oh, here we go. We've got a few on bat. Twenty-eight of them. Holy shit. So, okay, recent, oh, wow, last, uh, last, two in the last month. A six thousand mile for seventy-eight, thirty-nine hundred mile for eighty-three. I suspect, yeah, so there's a real difference between fucking wrapping paper ones, like this five-hundred-and-thirty-eight mile one for ninety-five. And then if you drive it like up to five or five thousand miles, it looks like eighty-five. If you drive it more than that, maybe seventy-five. Yeah, I mean,

• 51:59Matt Farah?

  the, the more, for the next twenty years, these are going to go down to about, what, forty-five grand, maybe, Zach?

• 52:08Speaker 01

  Ooh. That, that would be interesting if they kept sinking that far, because, you know, they're special, but are they?

• 52:15Matt Farah?

  They're not that special.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I haven't, I haven't driven one in such a long time.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  I think for me, like, the M4 is so good at so many things, focusing it more just for track work. Uh, I don't know, I guess it's just not what I think of for that, for eighty-five grand.

• 52:32Matt Farah?

  I've never really liked any of these, like, stiffened hardcore M3s and M4s. I really just, I don't like them that much. The versatility of those cars is what is their best suit.

• 52:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:45Matt Farah?

  But I don't know if they'll, I mean, eventually, yes, people will go, wow, these were, these were so special, you know, in twenty years or, or whatever, when, when all the cars start to come back, but I think the floor is like, you know, in the, in the fif- four forties, fifties, if they're decent, but a lot of them, the ones that are, that are being sold, have pretty low miles and are gonna stay that way. Uh, Jim Kana, what is a better commuter car, uh, freeway with occasional canyon duty? IS500 Lexus or Alpha Julia Quad, both used? Interesting, interesting.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  It, for me, it depends on how occasional that canyon duty is. If it's twice a year, also that, you know, and also does have a warranty. So let's just assume they both have a warranty. If I'm doing the canyons twice a year and otherwise it's just commuting, I, I, uh, I ask five hundred, but, um, I think it's probably just like.

• 53:42Matt Farah?

  See, this one's kinda crazy because.

• 53:46Matt Farah?

  And usually, when you put the Alpha against any other sedan, it's like, well, the Alpha has the better engine, right? Like, almost always.

• 53:55Speaker 01

  Uh...

• 53:56Matt Farah?

  But I actually like the Lexus's engine better.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 53:59Matt Farah?

  That's a, that's a fucking great engine.

• 54:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:03Matt Farah?

  Used Lexus versus used any Italian car?

• 54:07Speaker 01

  If it's out of warranty, there's no discussion.

• 54:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right?

• 54:09Speaker 01

  And, so that's that. Um, and I think that, I found the Alpha Quad to be really, really fun in the canyon. Like, I love the steering. I thought it was better than the new M3s.

• 54:19Matt Farah?

  It's pretty good on the freeway.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  And it's, and it was a little bit softer on the freeway than the new M3. Whereas the IS500, I felt like was just like, kinda soft and cushy.

• 54:26Matt Farah?

  It's pretty soft.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  So it's a, it's a good GT car. Canons, it's fine, but it's a 710C.

• 54:32Matt Farah?

  It's not inspiring in the canyons, but the engine and gearbox are really good.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 54:36Matt Farah?

  That's, it does sound great.

• 54:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does.

• 54:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Hmm. I would say Alpha's here for a good time and the Lexus is here for a long time.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 54:46Matt Farah?

  Uh, Michael Cosgrove wants me to compare the, uh, Demand engine to this turbo engine. I mean, the Demand engine is, is more like what the car has from the factory. It's just a lot more of it.

• 55:03Matt Farah?

  The, the curves roughly mimic the stock car's curves, just moved up by, you know, 100, or whatever it is. This is a totally different thing, cause when you, even though it is like the stock turbo powertrain, the way it's plumbed makes it sound like a crazy tuner car.

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 55:24Matt Farah?

  And feel like a crazy tuner car. Even though the engine isn't a crazy tuner car engine, it's just a different engine from Porsche.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  It almost feels like a, uh, you know, big turbo 935 kind of race car situation, with all these big turbo whistle sounds. Like, that's kinda what it reminds me of. Cause it's, it's far beyond what a GT2RS or even, you know, turbo sounds like.

• 55:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:47Speaker 01

  It's more into motorsport land.

• 55:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Ha BBL, would you rather stall every time you drive a manual car? Or never drive a manual again? I'd rather never drive a manual again.

• 55:59Speaker 01

  Can I choose when I stall it?

• 56:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Then that would be the deciding factor.

• 56:04Matt Farah?

  Right. Can I stall in my own driveway?

• 56:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Every time I start and move, I stall it. I hate myself and then I drive away and everything's fine.

• 56:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think Zach has found the appropriate loophole to happiness within that.

• 56:15Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 56:16Matt Farah?

  Hypoth- hypothetical binary question, yeah. Only, oh wait, Matt loves Pearl Jam. Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, or Nirvana? Listen, HaBibi, I don't rank my artists. I enjoy all of these artists for their own fucking thing. I think a lot of the problem with Nirvana is that they are so popular but had a relatively small catalog.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:43Matt Farah?

  And almost all of it is just, I've heard so, so much that I am no longer moved by Nirvana.

• 56:53Matt Farah?

  Other, in Alice in Chains, they play a little less. They have a little less music, but they play a little less too, like. That's the, that's kinda why I like Pearl Jam is still my favorite quote grunge band. Because like, a lot of the songs that I really love from Pearl Jam are almost like after the whole grunge era ended.

• 57:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 57:12Speaker 01

  I don't think, I don't, I don't consider them grungy. They just sound so different from Nirvana and other, you know, bands that basically use more distortion. So.

• 57:21Matt Farah?

  I do love grunge music. I mean, I really do, but can't rank them. It's not cool. Certainly not when fucking the singers of all of them are dead. Like, you know, have I, haven't I talked to you about my favorite Eddie Vedder quote of all time?

• 57:35Speaker 01

  No.

• 57:36Matt Farah?

  Of all ra- you know, someone said, Eddie, what is the key to, you know, Pearl Jam's, you know, I think it's however many years, it's 30 years or whatever have they been together? What was the key to, to, to 30 years' success? He goes, well, really, you know, the key is to, to not have anybody die or, or break up.

• 57:56Matt Farah?

  That's it, yeah. Keep going. Don't overdose and die or break up.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the other, an exception to that is System of a Down. I read an interview with the lead singer, that guy, I can't remember his name.

• 58:07Matt Farah?

  Serge Tankin. Love Serge Tankin.

• 58:09Speaker 01

  They're like, "How come you guys don't do another one?" And part of what he said was like, "We're also in a different place. Like, it's hard to get that angry and we don't all want to do it together at the same time."

• 58:19Matt Farah?

  Well, that's what Andre 3000 said. He's like, "I can't make OutKast music now. I can't rap about that shit. He's like, "I have gray hair." Like, what am I, what are we doing? Uh, crispy bacon. If I were to build my old C5 Corvette today, how would it differ from when you first built it? You know what's funny? Like, not that much, actually. I mean, I kind of, we did sort of get a lot of that right. It had coilover suspension, it had big brakes, it had lightweight wheels and good tires.

• 58:51Speaker 01

  You'd do different wheels.

• 58:53Matt Farah?

  Well, I ultimately ended up with HREs, which is what I would do. I wouldn't do racing harnesses. I'm never taking out the factory seatbelts of a car ever again.

• 59:05Matt Farah?

  And I probably would have gone with a different steering wheel. The wheel I went with was a little too small and a little too far away. I would have spent a little more time measuring what I wanted and where I wanted. And, uh, yeah, but other than that, I mean, that thing had it going on. That car was a good time.

• 59:25Speaker 01

  Would you go slightly quieter?

• 59:27Matt Farah?

  Maybe slightly quieter. Yeah, slightly quieter. But it did have a, it had a little bit of a drone in that one narrow window, which I hated.

• 59:36Speaker 01

  I just know it was 135 decibels when we did a exhaust off on the car show.

• 59:40Matt Farah?

  It was really loud.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  That is like jet plane taking off.

• 59:43Matt Farah?

  It was so loud. Yeah.

• 59:48Matt Farah?

  Okay, OnlyFans in the building, is the BMW M850i worthy of being cross shopped with the Lexus LC? Um, looking for something that Canyon carves on weekends while excelling at daily driving for under 75K. I mean, I suppose, like, yeah, they're technically like Force 2 plus 2 GTs, but like, you put them cars next to each other, it's not even a question for me.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Which one? Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:15Matt Farah?

  To get the Lexus, 100%.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  The 850, I think, is a better performance car, but I would stop caring about that immediately, and then I'd rather drive the LC.

• 1:00:24Matt Farah?

  I'm not sure the 850 without being an M8 is that much better of a performance car.

• 1:00:30Speaker 01

  Uh, that's true. Yeah, I drove the M8.

• 1:00:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's probably kind of a wash with the Lexus LC. The M8 is truly fast. But like, yeah, you put those next to each other, no, no question. LC, all day, all day. Um, don't ignore the convertible, because it's rad.

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Looks so good.

• 1:00:49Matt Farah?

  4K Libya, very good, sir. What is the Myron, oh, Myron Vernis story? Oh, our friend Myron Vernis had a very rare early 9/11 that was actually not even a 9/11, it was a 901. Um, that's, yeah, like, before they called it 9/11. Um, and he was able to sell it for an awful lot of money, and he, he chose to, uh, with a bunch of that money, buy like 50 random cheap cars. And that's fucking cool. That's a cool thing, that's a cool thing to do, and that's why he was like the king of Jalopnik for like, you know, a decade. But he's a lovely man, and he has fabulous taste in weird shit. Dre from Houston, what up?

• 1:01:32Matt Farah?

  Uh, Zach, what car is next on your purchase list?

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Eventually, I will have to fight myself between a Cayman GTS and maybe a E90 M3. Depends on how much I want to continue spending on maintenance for vehicles. But, remember, he also asked us about what he should do with his mom's Audi S4. And we'd like to get rid of it. He did maintenance and a stage one APR tune and they're keeping it.

• 1:02:03Matt Farah?

  Daily, alright, cool, there you go. Bad Gardener says, "Do you agree that some cars only seem appropriate doing one specific thing? For instance, I think the McLaren Speedtail looks beautiful still or rolling, but weird when turning. I saw a video on track, looked wrong."

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  I get it.

• 1:02:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, I think that's like a, that car is basically supposed to be like a streamliner, almost, right? Yeah, that's like the thing.

• 1:02:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:31Matt Farah?

  I think it would look good on like Nardo.

• 1:02:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, but even like-

• 1:02:34Matt Farah?

  Probably look silly at a track day.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  The long tail 24 hours of Le Mans cars, when they got really long, and I know, you know, the Mulsanne Straight was straight, I get it, it was, you could win the race on that straightaway, but when I look at those and I go, "But they had to go around the corners also." It just looks like a tow truck, you know, with this big thing sticking off the back.

• 1:02:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:53Matt Farah?

  I mean, there's a, there, I don't want to say there's a lot of cars, but there are some very, you know, narrowly focused cars, usually for racing, that do look kinda dumb when doing almost anything else. Doesn't that do race cars? I once commuted into Manhattan, and ended up Manhattan in a fucking Hummer. That looked stupid.

• 1:03:12Speaker 01

  Right, also out of place.

• 1:03:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I thought I looked cool, and I did fucking not. Not at all. Mm-hmm. Okay. Whoa. There's a lot happening in that one, I'm gonna have to go with the next one, I can't process it. Too many, too many words. I also, have you ever heard of Nice Cam's question? He's asking us about a set of tires.

• 1:03:32Speaker 01

  No, I've not tried those tires.

• 1:03:33Matt Farah?

  Uh, Nice Cam's? I don't even want to say the name of them tires, because we've never heard of them. No endorsement or denial on that one, on Nice Cam's. Zach would like an update on, oh wait, Here For Matt's Cast with Cats would like an update on Zach's BMW in the voice of RFK.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Well, I got a bad power lead in the stereo, so it turns itself off and on. So I can't listen to Alex Jones tell the truth. And the quote on my seats was really expensive, so I might actually have to sell some more books before I can do that.

• 1:04:11Matt Farah?

  I thought you were gonna skin your own animal and put it on.

• 1:04:14Speaker 01

  Oh, that would've been better. Yeah, that would've been better. Yeah. There's a dead whale on the beach that I might turn into a seat.

• 1:04:20Matt Farah?

  There's that company in Russia doing the whale penis. I'm just gonna get my own whale penis. Regular Cat Reviews wants to know about what you're racing in Lemons this weekend.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  Uh, right. We're driving this Ranchero, which I got some more information on. I'll make it quick, but it is... They basically tried to make what they describe as a budget-like NASCAR truck from back in the day. So V8 suspension, it's got brake ducts for cooling, 4-speed top loader, and... I'm excited, because it's been kinda sorted out, but it's supposed to be 105 degrees each day?

• 1:04:58Matt Farah?

  And it's Thunder Hill.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  It's Thunder Hill.

• 1:05:01Matt Farah?

  Thunder Hill is so hot. When we do Performance Car of the Year, Thunder Hill's 95, and you're saying it's going to be 105?

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  That's what they said a few days ago. 105 in the daytime. It's 25-hour, 24-hour race. So, but the guys that built the car...

• 1:05:19Matt Farah?

  Have you done a night stint before? Is it a full 24-hour or it's 12 to 12?

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Full 24.

• 1:05:24Matt Farah?

  Have you ever done a night stint?

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 1:05:27Matt Farah?

  Are you gonna?

• 1:05:28Speaker 01

  Uh, we haven't decided the order yet. I hope so. I don't wanna do sunset. I would love to do a night stint.

• 1:05:33Matt Farah?

  If you can, you should. And are the lights okay on this thing?

• 1:05:36Speaker 01

  That is a question that is still being determined. In the group chat, they built a glowing letter, or sorry, glowing race number, which you need, which looks really great. And then someone was like, "Did we put the additional lighting on the front yet?" And it was quiet. But it's something we're all concerned about, thankfully. And they said it should run pretty cool, as long as you don't, you know, take it to redline. It's got a lot of torque, so you don't need to drop it in a second for too many corners. It's gonna be a test of people and machine. I mean, 105 degrees. Granted, that's only for part of the race, but... It's not like it's gonna cool off a ton.

• 1:06:11Matt Farah?

  No, that's a tough day.

• 1:06:12Speaker 01

  Between 10 a.m. and 6, 7 p.m., it's gonna be fucking hot.

• 1:06:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, all day.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  No cool shirt.

• 1:06:20Matt Farah?

  You don't have one, or there isn't one in the car?

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  I have one, there's no system in the car.

• 1:06:24Matt Farah?

  Oh dude.

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm gonna lose five pounds.

• 1:06:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. Wow.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  Someone's gonna crash. Hopefully not. Someone's gonna pass out is what I'm worried about, just from the heat.

• 1:06:35Matt Farah?

  Uh, Regular Cat Reviews also says, "Why did the 981 generation Boxster came in only last four years, but the 718 has been around for almost 10?" I think because they knew they were not gonna redesign the new gas model. Once they knew they were going to the, to the electric one, they, they, they didn't redesign it, but they, you know, they could just, as long as they were selling them, they might as well keep building them, you know, until they were told they couldn't anymore, or, you know, whatever. Um, they finished the electric one, or, you know, the legislation says they can't sell gas ones, or whatever.

• 1:07:14Speaker 01

  Four years is also a very short run for a car.

• 1:07:17Matt Farah?

  Well, cause, I mean, 981 and 718 is a mid-cycle refresh. That's not a, it was, it was-

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  It's still the same chassis and everything?

• 1:07:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they changed the dashboard a little bit, they changed the front bumper a little bit, they put different wheels on it, some different colors and options, and they added the turbo motors at the bottom end, and they updated the GT4 and the Spyder. Like, that's a, it's a facelift essentially, even though they changed the chassis code and did the stupid 718 naming thing. Um, yeah, that's not like a real, real generation. Um, Enrico Palazzo wants the Cliff's Notes of my Brussels sprouts recipe. Okay. This is for everybody. This is how you get Brussels sprouts. So, the key is obviously in the sauce, but also in the crisp, okay? So, you preheat your oven, convection 400 degrees.

• 1:08:08Matt Farah?

  You get your Brussels sprouts, and you cut them into halves or quarters. Now, the key is, you want the resulting Brussels sprouts to all be the same size, all the pieces. So, if you've got a mixture of small ones and big ones, some will be halves, some will be quarters, and there's a little tiny one, maybe you just cut the stem, leave the rest of it. Though, I like to leave the loose leaves in there too. I like some leaves. They get nice and crispy.

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:31Matt Farah?

  You toss that in a bowl, little olive oil, salt, pepper, toss it on a baking sheet, lots of air in between them, lots of space, you don't want them piled up. Convection 420 minutes, then-

• 1:08:43Matt Farah?

  You make your sauce. Tablespoon of miso paste, and this is for like a big, the full-size oven tray of Brussels sprouts, right? Uh, tablespoon of miso paste, uh, tablespoon of chili crisp, whatever sub-variant of chili crisp you like. Uh, splash of soy sauce, splash of rice vinegar, splash of mirin, tablespoon of honey. Mix all that up, swirl it in a bowl, like the big bowl, and then when you take the Brussels sprouts out of the oven, 20 minutes, give or take, when they get real, real crispy, you gotta let them sit for like two minutes so the steam, you know, gets off, right? So, so they cool just enough to not be steaming. Throw them in that bowl, toss it all together, serve right away.

• 1:09:28Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 1:09:29Matt Farah?

  You got all that, motherfucker?

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  Do you need the steam to go away so it doesn't add too much water to the sauce?

• 1:09:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and when you toss, if they're steaming and you toss them in the bowl, they get mushy. You gotta like, make sure that they kinda dry out a little bit, before you toss them, then the sauce will coat and they'll stay crispy. Yeah, cuz you don't wanna, you don't wanna fucking get that crisp. You just spent 20 minutes getting the perfect crisp.

• 1:09:52Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:09:52Matt Farah?

  You fucking throw it in the bowl too early, and it turns into a steamy mush. It's gross. Uh, Christian says, uh, will Porsche, and we're just talking about this, go back on that word, and make internal combustion boxers and Caymans? Um, or will they keep it EV and, uh, they'll figure out how to, and do a GT version gas? I think that's what they'll do.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:10:16Matt Farah?

  I think there will be a GT version that's gas. Um, I don't know. They might get this one right. It's possible. It's possible they build the first great electric sports car.

• 1:10:29Speaker 01

  It's hard, there's just too, there's so many factors. I mean, there's the US things that are changing, but then, I don't know what's going on in Europe with, uh, politics and EV mandates and stuff, so, they have like one foot in each camp and have to make both happy. That's challenging.

• 1:10:42Matt Farah?

  Stewdog says, what's a watch that I bought that you thought you'd love but just wasn't for you? Oh, there's been a whole bunch. And, uh, but I've been, see, I got spoiled cuz I didn't have to buy them. We got to try them cuz of the watch podcast. That shit was golden. I went through...

• 1:11:02Matt Farah?

  Twenty years of big dollar collecting in two years of demoing watches for the podcast. Seeing shit on Instagram going, oh my god, that's fucking sick. Hey, whoever, send me this to demo. And then it would just show up and you'd get, A, you get that fucking new watch in the mail, fucking heroin shot, that's alright. And you didn't have to pay for nothing, that was really good. And then you put it on and by day three, you're like, hmm. Okay, kind of over this. Or you put it on, you go, wow, that's really sits on my wrist like shit. Or it's top heavy or it doesn't fit under my cuff or, you know, whatever. It's fucking something about, I can't read it, whatever.

• 1:11:41Matt Farah?

  And just send it back. So there wasn't a lot of purchases where I learned, I learned the lesson after buying some expensive thing, which is lucky. That's, I mean, that's, well, it's not luck, but it's privilege that I put myself in a position to try every great watch. Um, my tastes changed, you know, when I first started collecting, 2015, big watches were in fashion. And so the stuff I've bought more recently was smaller and some of the really big ones I had earlier, I got rid of. But, um, now I like both. Now when I have the long sleeves, I like the smaller one, I have the big shorts, I like the bigger. Give you fucking, fucking even it out a little bit, you know?

• 1:12:24Matt Farah?

  It, Lappy, Lappy McPaddleton? Yeah, Lappy McPaddleton. Worst wildlife encounter you've had while motoring. Oof.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  Did you ever hit anything?

• 1:12:37Matt Farah?

  Hit birds?

• 1:12:38Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I don't know.

• 1:12:40Matt Farah?

  I've never hit anything like big.

• 1:12:42Speaker 01

  I hit, I, oh, I forgot, this was college, I was driving to go skiing with my girlfriend at the time. And a bird like flew across the road and there was a little, no, no, rabbit, rabbit ran across the road. And just left side of Jetta GLX, da dun, da dun. And the girl, and the girl was like, did we hit it? And I went, no, definitely not. And it was real quiet in the car.

• 1:13:08Speaker 01

  I just remember that. I remember it was really quiet in the car.

• 1:13:11Matt Farah?

  Zach did not have the sex that day.

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  I did not. She was sad, yeah.

• 1:13:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, uh, I think I took a bird to the chest while on a motorcycle once, which was pretty nuts.

• 1:13:26Matt Farah?

  We, I mean, encounter, we were filming, we've been filming and been in the middle of the tarantula migration.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  Fuck that.

• 1:13:34Matt Farah?

  Which is real crazy to see that in the Angeles forest.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  We were filming Proving Ground Special at Lime Rock once, and one of the crew is transiting to the track in the morning in the extra Supra. Toyota sent us three Supras. We asked for one. They had them around. But a deer jumped out and just like literally crashed into the side of the car. And that wrinkled the right rear quarter panel, I think, that we had to shoot around after that. So that was fun. It was a good start to everybody's day.

• 1:14:03Matt Farah?

  Best username of the month. Buck Melanoma says, we've heard, we've heard repeatedly about Matt's one that got away, Quicksilver 4GT. But what about Zach? Oh, so many questions for Zach today. Do you have any one that got away? The Mustang, maybe, I suppose.

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  The Mustang is the recent one. But I actually thought of one at Good Vibes this week. A guy let me drive his S52 swap D30.

• 1:14:25Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  It was magic. He had the good steering rack in it. Fantastic car. And I remembered that when I was shopping for cars long ago, I had found, oh, and he wants to BAR swap legal it. He wants to do it in the past. There was someone in San Francisco selling like a baby blue E30 coupe that had a bar legal like S50 swap. And at the time, they were asking like 8,500 bucks before the E30s had popped. That would have been such a good buy because the engine swap would be California legal. And I'm sure that car would now be worth like $40,000. That was dumb.

• 1:15:00Matt Farah?

  Eventually, maybe you just like take your M3 apart and put the powertrain into another car.

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  This, the car to this weekend was simple and it just, all it had, it had the good shit. It had, you know, compliance suspension, decent tires, the right steering rack and the engine was great.

• 1:15:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:17Speaker 01

  You know, greenhouse is awesome. The car is small. What a fun thing.

• 1:15:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the best BMW I ever drove was S54 E30.

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  The Roone one, right?

• 1:15:25Matt Farah?

  The best.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:26Matt Farah?

  It was awesome. Uh, Chris says, okay, uh, for the inevitable cars live action movie in 10 or 15 years. What type of car would Lightning McQueen be? Let me just state my protest flag against that. Like, please just don't do that.

• 1:15:45Speaker 01

  Like, don't make another?

• 1:15:46Matt Farah?

  Don't make a live action cars movie?

• 1:15:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:15:49Matt Farah?

  What would that even be?

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  I don't know. They're doing, well, they're making a live, quote, "Live action, how to train your dragon."

• 1:15:55Matt Farah?

  Well, okay, but that...

• 1:15:57Speaker 01

  But I, but they made three of them and it's animated and dragons are fake, so like, it was great.

• 1:16:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it's stupid, but, but like, at least you're talking about like, humans that play humans and like, you know, CGI or whatever.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:09Matt Farah?

  We're talking about cars, like, actual cars that in real, like, that would be the dumbest looking movie ever.

• 1:16:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, how, you either have to do CGI to make the grill move to talk, which is terrible. Or you do the Kit Knight Rider thing, which is also terrible.

• 1:16:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it would be horrible, but I'll play along to Chris's question, even though I hope that this never happens. My snide answer, but the one I really believe in is whoever pays the most fucking money.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:16:34Matt Farah?

  I mean, like...

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  That's really what it is.

• 1:16:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, I mean, and, and Lightning McQueen's a, is a, is a race car. So it's like, and like a NASCAR, basically, right?

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:46Matt Farah?

  I mean, pretty much, right? So he would have to be one of the, one of the, my guess is it would be a Ford or a, you know, a General Motors NASCAR product.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 1:16:57Matt Farah?

  Probably, yeah.

• 1:16:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:59Matt Farah?

  Uh, Prashawn says, oh, yeah, "Am I wrong in thinking that I am more willing to overlook the looks of a car while Zack can't?" I mean, overlook.

• 1:17:12Speaker 01

  I don't know, maybe. I'm definitely very focused on my

• 1:17:15Matt Farah?

  Trying to say I buy ugly cars?

• 1:17:16Speaker 01

  No, I think he's trying to say that you judge them by the content of their character.

• 1:17:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. You're shallow.

• 1:17:20Speaker 01

  I am more shallow. Possibly. I don't know.

• 1:17:23Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I just, I think there's, I wouldn't say that about you or I, but I don't, I think that once I'm inside a car and driving it, I kind of stop caring about what it looks like.

• 1:17:34Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:17:36Matt Farah?

  I call that the Porsche Cayenne plan of acceptance. Learned that back in 04.

• 1:17:40Speaker 01

  But when you get back out of it, do you then care again what it looks like?

• 1:17:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah, sometimes.

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  If it drives well enough, you don't care?

• 1:17:46Matt Farah?

  If it drives well enough, I care less.

• 1:17:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:17:48Matt Farah?

  But I remember when I was 20, I would have been 21 in 04, when my dad got the Cayenne Turbo. I took it out on 684 and allegedly went 150 plus.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:18:01Matt Farah?

  And I no longer thought the Cayenne was an ugly vehicle.

• 1:18:04Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 1:18:05Matt Farah?

  I went, okay, yeah, whatever. That was fucking sick.

• 1:18:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:08Matt Farah?

  I'm in.

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  Excitement can definitely overcome aesthetics.

• 1:18:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:11Speaker 01

  And I think also vice versa. Like, for me, if the car is drop-dead gorgeous, Alpha 8C or something like that, and people go, oh, but it drives kind of mid and it, compared to these other things, I go, I don't care.

• 1:18:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  You know, because I'm getting the fizz from how it looks.

• 1:18:25Matt Farah?

  Same thing. Most people that have taken Senna's around racetracks don't think they're as ugly as people who have never taken Senna's around racetracks.

• 1:18:34Speaker 01

  100% valid.

• 1:18:35Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 1:18:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:37Matt Farah?

  Jake in Westchester, New York, shout out to him. Thoughts on the new M2CS that was revealed at Villa d'Este? I really like the flip tail. Does have the duck tail on it. That's kind of fun. I didn't spend too much time looking at it. I just saw one photo of the flip tail and then went about my life.

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it doesn't look that different.

• 1:19:01Matt Farah?

  Did you see it? Do you have it?

• 1:19:01Speaker 01

  I had not seen it. I'm seeing it now.

• 1:19:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, look, the wheel, I think the wheels look great. This color combo of this sort of Nardo gray with the gold wheels. Absolutely fabulous. I'm pro that color combo. It's probably one of the better colors for the M2, right?

• 1:19:19Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I just, okay, I don't know.

• 1:19:21Matt Farah?

  That hard side photo is by far this car's best angle.

• 1:19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, the proportions are good and the little duck tail matches kind of the angles of the front. This is, this, when people ask me, they go, are you gonna do the CSL trunk on your car? I say, no, because I think the wing on the CSL trunk is too big. I think it fucks the proportions up. This is perfect. But, did they fix the rear bumper in any way? No. Why can't I open these?

• 1:19:43Matt Farah?

  What is this, like Geo City's ass website?

• 1:19:45Speaker 01

  AutoEvolution.com is not good.

• 1:19:47Matt Farah?

  I think they've been hacked, or something. That, or, I mean, maybe they build a hell of a race car over there, that's...

• 1:19:54Speaker 01

  It's better on the other monitor, so...

• 1:19:55Matt Farah?

  It does?

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  It is, so I'm showing it here.

• 1:19:58Matt Farah?

  It just won't translate into our big monitor?

• 1:20:00Speaker 01

  There's just so many, in my opinion, there's things I haven't, there's things about the M2 that have not grown on me, or I haven't softened on, and this doesn't fix any of them.

• 1:20:08Matt Farah?

  I agree. And furthermore, for the M, for them, this generation of M2, if I don't have a racetrack, this, it just doesn't, because you have to, the difference between an M2 with traction control on and moment traction control off, is a, is a world of difference. And with it off, it's like wheel spin in 4th gear. And it becomes just a fucking drift missile, which is great if you have the room to safely do that, like we did in Performance Car of the Year. If we get one of those for Performance Car of the Year, that'd be sick, because we have a track to fucking do the thing in. But, to then take that car home, and now I'm not getting to do that thing anymore all the time, but it is, I do have to look at it.

• 1:20:50Speaker 01

  And this goes back to another question, both you and I agree, like, this car drives great, and from inside, it rides better than the other one, and it handles great, but it doesn't give us much more than the other one does.

• 1:21:02Matt Farah?

  The other one did those things well enough to satisfy me, and looked a lot better. Yeah. Last one, a bad case of explosive scooteria. I like that, that's very good. Most, uh, let's see, most, uh, successful Resto mod slash reimagine companies target iconic cars that enthusiasts and the general population would be familiar with and generally appreciate. I would say that's true. Think 911, Bronco, Mustang, and Defender, yeah. What other cars from the 80s and 90s would meet that standard and benefit from improvements in tech and materials? I mean, there's a, there's a decent number of cars, but it's, you just have to, the cross-section

• 1:21:43Matt Farah?

  of people who would pay a ton of money to have the best version of that car. Um, and, and people who are seeking out those specific cars, there's not as many of them. So like eighties Mercedes, like the wagons and shit, the diesel ones, like that's a great one. Those people would put that at their Hampton's house. You know, like Seinfeld's got like a couple of those old Mercedes that are like relatively expensive, but they're mint.

• 1:22:12Speaker 01

  I mean, the G, the Built by Legends folks and other people are kind of discovering what the limit is on how much you can charge for a GT-R, I think. And because they're doing that Singer stuff, like let's rebuild everything and make it as perfect as possible and improved as possible. How much, how big is that market and how much are people willing to pay for it?

• 1:22:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:32Speaker 01

  You need, but that's why you need an iconic car, cause you need the most attention.

• 1:22:37Matt Farah?

  But the cars also have to be like built pretty, well, not really. I mean, you've got Defenders and Broncos, so I guess not.

• 1:22:44Speaker 01

  With enough engineering, you can re-engineer the whole car.

• 1:22:47Matt Farah?

  I mean, I think, I think you, you know, you drove the Grand Wagoneer with the Hellcat engine. I think there's plenty of people that would love to have a, a Grand Wagoneer that would, that would do the job. We may find people, there's, there's a, we may find a fucking market for like early nineties explorers. You know, I, I, I would be surprised, but maybe. Um, I think people would pay a good amount of money to have really nicely done two-door Tahos.

• 1:23:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:23:15Matt Farah?

  Um, uh, my dad's attorney, uh, John, who passed away last year, but shout out to him, R.I.P. Spent six figures restore, restoring a, a ninety-four Tahoe, uh, two-door for his Martha's Vineyard home. Cause just cause he fucking wanted it.

• 1:23:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:23:34Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah, those I think probably will, early SUVs maybe.

• 1:23:40Matt Farah?

  I bet, I bet there would be a market somewhere for a Wrangler or Cherokee, non grand, like a tradition, a boxy, a square Cherokee.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:23:53Matt Farah?

  Or a Wrangler that was done to, if you did a Wrangler with a V8 and a good manual, but like great seats and great materials and, and really, really did it up, I bet you could fucking do that.

• 1:24:05Speaker 01

  There's probably shops doing that that we're not privy to. I'm sure there's a bunch of, but that's a good point. Regular like, regular Cherokees that are, that get the same attention of like the TLC stuff.

• 1:24:14Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:24:15Speaker 01

  And just nice engine, nice suspension, all those things. Cause all it is, is you're grabbing, capturing people's nostalgia for something they liked. And then you're just making it something that they have to like stretch their budget to afford.

• 1:24:25Matt Farah?

  Hannah would love to have the world's nic- nicest 94 Jeep Cherokee, you know?

• 1:24:30Speaker 01

  Those are good.

• 1:24:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Fucking, you know what? They seal up real nice too. If you're gonna do double blunts. Shout out to Brandon and his 01 teal Cherokee Sport. The most hot box vehicle in right country day.

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  Well, it's mudproof and, and uh, smokeproof, you know?

• 1:24:46Matt Farah?

  Man, speaking of which, I've been watching uh, Your Friends and Neighbors on Apple, The Jon Hamm Show. That shit is shot in my fucking neighborhood where I grew up.

• 1:24:55Speaker 01

  What's it about?

• 1:24:56Matt Farah?

  It's about this like rich stockbroker, uh, not stockbroker, like a, a hedge fundy guy. Who gets forced out of his job and like fucking kicked out with nothing. He's divorced. He's living in like a rental house in a fake town, but the fake town is basically Rye where, where my high school was. And they use downtown Rye for like all the scenes uh, in, of the town. And fuck me, the, the, the locations on, on all the, where they're driving through, you know, the, the suburbs and like the downtown and all that, that was my fucking life, man. That show, this, oh, this guy loses everything and starts robbing his friends. Like taking watches and jewelry and shit from their houses.

• 1:25:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, that's like the Your Friends and Neighbors part of it, but like, fuck, that, that whole, this show hits mad close to home. All these fucking D-bags he's stealing from are like my friend's parents.

• 1:25:55Matt Farah?

  But I'm not gonna throw stones, probably my parents too, like probably my parents also, although,

• 1:26:02Matt Farah?

  but yeah, no, like all the houses, like, cause you've been to my fucking parents, you watch this show and you're like, oh yeah, that's, I know where that is, actually, I've been there, it's fucking crazy.

• 1:26:12Matt Farah?

  So it is a pretty good show, the watch, the watch cred is pretty high in the show, I, it is an entertaining show. Thanks folks, that's it, that's it for today, we got one more tomorrow, and if you're not listening live, then you're probably listening to this while I'm in Italy and Zach is actually racing at Thunderhill, right? Something like that? Yep. Little delayed release on these ones, but we gotta keep that contento flowing while we are traveling, doing other things and fucking finding things to talk about while we're here, that's part of the gig. We appreciate you patrons especially, but everybody certainly, and go check out our latest video,

• 1:26:52Matt Farah?

  which is my six month Tycon update, oh, and we'll also have my, um, video about living with the 911 GTS Hybrid for a week. Little bit different than what we did, but I went on the launch and I did a Canyon video and a racetrack video about that, so I didn't want to do that again, so instead I made a video talking about what it's like to live with the 911 GTST Hybrid for a week, and that's going up on the 28th of May. Right? Right, yes, okay, that's all, I'm leaving now, goodbye.