KHC 167 - Q&A with Cam Hanes

Join us for a new Q&A to start off the New Year - in this video we’re answering your questions from Instagram – restoring confidence after failures, consistency vs the “x factor”, “flu game” races, and more! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Venezuela, Recent Political Drama, and Dave Crenshaw 00:09:22 – Q1: What’s on Cam’s reading list this year? 00:12:01 – Q2: Will you continue doing ultras for the foreseeable future? 00:13:55 – Q3: Would you ever consider a Last Man Standing race? 00:15:23 – Q4: What is your In-N-Out order? 00:18:13 – Q5: How do you do it all? You're an inspiration to so many! You have helped pull me from the darkness. 00:21:18 – Q6: What's the name of the Mexican restaurant in Eugene? Be there for Spike Camp 00:24:13 – Q8: Can consistency beat the so-called "x factor"? 00:26:30 – Q9: After bows/arrows/release, what should I buy as a next step towards hunting? 00:27:39 – Training for Your First Marathon & the KHC Training App 00:29:17 – Q10: Do you have a race that was your "flu game"? 00:32:23 – Q11: How do you restore confidence and self worth? 00:38:03 – Q12: Did you know P22 the Hollywood mountain lion attacked a girl walking her dog? 00:43:07 – Q13: Has there been periods in your marriage where you've had to put some of your goals on hold? 00:46:19 – Q14: Do you ever do any bowhunting for carp? 00:48:59 – Q15: I want to start running. I'm 45 years old, 60lbs, overweight, and want to love running. 00:51:27 – Q16: How to get deer bigger/attract them to your land? 00:54:38 – Q17: When are you inviting Ella Langley to do a Lift. Run. Shoot. with you? 00:55:33 – Q18: What is the single most important thought you have every day? 00:56:37 – Q19: What's the hardest question you've ever been asked? 01:01:33 – Podcast Downloads and Statistics Thank you to our sponsors: Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:15Cameron Hanes?

  All right. This is the Keep Kremmer and Collective Q and A special edition

• 0:22Cameron Hanes?

  with Gideon.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  This just in.

• 0:27Cameron Hanes?

  That was good. That was good. Do you have anything just in?

• 0:32Speaker 01

  Uh Venezuela.

• 0:34Cameron Hanes?

  Just the tip, just the tips in. I know. Yeah, we took over that shit.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  Kind of sick.

• 0:41Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I guess it's how you look at it.

• 0:47Speaker 01

  I mean, in an idea, in theory, you know, us just dropping in and kidnapping their president to me is like,

• 0:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I bet the guys were excited to get some action.

• 0:58Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, the guys are probably loving that shit. They live for that. Hey, they're they're the best in the world at it. So good. I don't know anything about it, really. Was this a fentanyl thing? Or what is this for?

• 1:11Speaker 01

  Because.

• 1:11Cameron Hanes?

  Or we just want to do it?

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Because the Venezuelan president is it's a dictatorship.

• 1:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, there's a lot of those.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20Cameron Hanes?

  I mean.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  I still know who we can blame.

• 1:26Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, North Korea is it, you know, Putin? I mean, well, how come we didn't take take over those places?

• 1:35Speaker 01

  That's a great question. I think maybe this was AI, but I saw an interview with him like a week ago, and he was like, Trump, if you want me, come and get me.

• 1:45Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 1:48Speaker 01

  Well, we did that.

• 1:48Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you gotta watch who you say that to. There's some people who are just fucking nuts and will just do whatever.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  I did see someone made like AI images of the raid like once he was captured and it was like a

• 2:01Speaker 01

  it's like a bunch of blurred faces except for Tim Kennedy and.

• 2:06Cameron Hanes?

  LeBron was there? Well, yeah.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Cause LeBron's always like, oh yeah, I was there.

• 2:11Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. Oh, for everything that ever happened. Yeah. When Kobe scored 81. Yeah. When LeBron won his six, or not LeBron.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Jordan.

• 2:22Cameron Hanes?

  Jordan won his six rings.

• 2:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:25Cameron Hanes?

  I'm surprised. Yeah, it's good.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Well, we can't get too off topic here. We got a Q and A and we got some really good questions from our dog humans.

• 2:36Cameron Hanes?

  I, yeah, just when I thought I understood, like the, yeah, I, I don't, I don't, I don't understand. I, okay, here's the thing. People have accused me of having an ego before, right? I think I'm fucking retarded and I have no idea why I, why I've had any success. I've worked, I feel like I've worked fairly hard, but a lot of people work hard. Okay? I'm not, you're not special because you work hard.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:08Cameron Hanes?

  So I'm not trying to say, I don't want to, I never want to pretend like I'm, I mean, I'm not educated. I'm not, I've never had money. I've never had any reason to have an ego, but I guess you don't need to. But I never, I've tried to really,

• 3:26Cameron Hanes?

  like, I don't know if I have any strengths, but play him down. But when I read some of this shit, I'm just like, I am, if these guys are normal Americans, I'm a fucking genius.

• 3:41Cameron Hanes?

  I am the smartest retard out there, I guess.

• 3:45Speaker 01

  I can't see the profile pictures, but it seems like these questions were asked by a bunch of Somalis.

• 3:52Cameron Hanes?

  I heard their IQ is like averages 60 or something.

• 3:59Cameron Hanes?

  Which, I mean, they don't know how to spell learning. Did you see that?

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:05Cameron Hanes?

  How?

• 4:06Speaker 01

  That is a whole, we can get into that on shit talkers.

• 4:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, let's save that. Let's save that. But the point is, I never wanted to act like I was better than anybody, but I am better than a lot of idiots out there.

• 4:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think I was gonna say the same thing. And also, this, is this technically shit talk? This is like a spin off of shit talkers, right? So it's still all love.

• 4:27Cameron Hanes?

  Well, no, this is like, you know how you, uh, okay, you know how Rip and what's her Beth have, they have a spin off series of Yellowstone?

• 4:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:36Cameron Hanes?

  That's what this is.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 4:38Cameron Hanes?

  This is our spin off. This is like Rip and Beth's spin off Q and A.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  You still can't take anything we say.

• 4:46Cameron Hanes?

  No, no, no. The disclaimer still applies.

• 4:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:50Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  We're covered.

• 4:52Cameron Hanes?

  No, yeah, I mean, there's nothing like it could be held liable for any reason.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  I think Spotify sends you a warning till you have to sign a waiver before you listen to us. So we're in the clear. No big deal.

• 5:02Cameron Hanes?

  Is it the waiver that Dan Crenshaw didn't want to sign for Sean Ryan's show?

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 5:07Cameron Hanes?

  Cause I'm not signing that either.

• 5:12Cameron Hanes?

  God, I'm so sick of that. Have you even like followed up or saw any of that?

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, not Crenshaw's, but I listened to Hunter Biden's. Cause I was like, what the is going on here?

• 5:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I don't know. So anyway, there's some beef with, uh, how was that one, by the way?

• 5:35Speaker 01

  One thing I really like about, well, I like a lot of things about Joe, but I feel like he does a good job of asking uncomfortable questions. Even if he's sitting across from the person and I don't feel like Sean did that.

• 5:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  With Hunter Biden. I feel like there was a little bit of like, you know, we're sitting in a room. I'll just be nice.

• 5:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 5:52Speaker 01

  And I wanted.

• 5:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  Cause he was saying a lot of shit that was like.

• 5:56Cameron Hanes?

  You could have, you could have dove in on.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's like, you know, things that are important to me, my family.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  My faith, my friends. I was like,

• 6:07Cameron Hanes?

  Drugs ever come in there?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, but I didn't listen to that.

• 6:12Cameron Hanes?

  Losing his family or putting, yeah, being a crackhead.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Being the world's most famous piece of shit.

• 6:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but it all sounds good. All the other stuff sounded good. Yeah, also for that live, love, laugh sign bullshit.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  I love that. Yeah, put that right above my kitchen.

• 6:31Cameron Hanes?

  I think that's from Hunter Biden. That's his quote.

• 6:34Speaker 01

  This is a house of joy.

• 6:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, well, they're throwing a full beer bottle at their old lady's head. You dumb bitch. House of joy. Straighten up that sign. Beer bottle.

• 6:50Speaker 01

  Or I'll throw another one.

• 6:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 6:53Speaker 01

  But no, what's the beef with Crenshaw?

• 6:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I don't know. I mean, one of the hardest parts of hunting is glassing big country to find animals you know are there. That's why I run Sig Sauer Zulu Imaging Stabilizing Binoculars when I'm covering a lot of ground and need to see everything. These binos are a complete game changer. After long climbs, when your heart rate's up and your hands aren't steady, shaky glass makes it hard to stay locked in. With image stabilization, everything settles down. You can slow the process, really pick apart the country and catch movement you'd normally miss. I've found more animals and saved a ton of time because of these binos.

• 7:37Cameron Hanes?

  I actually just talked about how impressive this technology is on the most recent episode of the Joe Rogan Experience. Once you use stabilized glass, it's hard to go back. It gives you a real advantage when you're hunting big, open terrain. And here's the rare part. Optics companies almost never offer discounts, but Sig is giving listeners of this podcast 10% off. Just use code CAM at checkout. So if you're serious about glassing and want the same edge I've had the past couple of seasons, head to sigsauer.com, grab a pair of Zulu binos and use code CAM for 10% off. Sig Sauer Zulu Binoculars. See more, miss less. Keep hammering.

• 8:19Cameron Hanes?

  All right, hunters, listen up. Hunting season's here and the last thing you want is to tap out before the action starts. That's why I'm dialing in with Mountain Ops Ignite. Ignite isn't your average energy drink. It delivers smooth, long-lasting energy, no jitters, plus mental clarity that cuts through the backcountry fog. Powered by amino acids and brain blend of nootropics and 200mg of clean caffeine, Ignite keeps you sharp and pushing hard mile after mile. Whether you're glassing ridges, packing in before dawn, or heading to elk camp, one scoop in your bottle and you're locked in. It's my go-to every hunt, every hike, every long drive. And Mountain Ops isn't just about performance, they're mission-driven. Every purchase helps feed families in need through Operation Conquer

• 9:04Cameron Hanes?

  Hunger. Right now, you can get 20% off your purchase, just go to mountainops.com and use code CAM at checkout. This season, don't settle for sluggish. Ignite the hunt. Those military guys are always beefing about something. But Crenshaw, I think, I think it was because he's, you know, like richer than Elon Musk, makes like 20 bucks an hour as a congressman. Some people wonder how these politicians make that much money based on their salary and, you know, whether they're being tipped off on different things. Like Pelosi's pretty, pretty rich.

• 9:44Speaker 01

  Well, I would just say if, if an app has been created so that you can just follow all the investments Nancy Pelosi makes.

• 9:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:51Speaker 01

  And it's up exponentially.

• 9:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 9:54Speaker 01

  Something's probably going on there.

• 9:56Cameron Hanes?

  Right. So he's had the same type of luck on the stock market, apparently. I don't, smart, very smart. But I don't know. I mean, so I think Sean was gonna ask that. There's always this back and forth, just kind of dick measuring with, I mean, it's no different than hunting. It's, you know, it is different than hunting, but it's military and they have their own, they're very competitive. So it's just that. And then also then there's... When you're a politician, you're held to a certain standard. So I think Sean just wants to ask him about that. Then I think there's been, you know, maybe shit talking from about each other's records, like military records. I don't know. I don't know.

• 10:41Cameron Hanes?

  I'm not, I'm, like I said, I'm not really up on it, but I just know that Crenshaw didn't want to sign the release to go on there. So it turned into this big, both making posts about it.

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Oh, that's

• 10:52Cameron Hanes?

  I'm like, well, you know how you can avoid it? Just don't have a release like us.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Anything goes.

• 10:58Cameron Hanes?

  I know. So I probably will be sued for something and then I'll be like, they'll ask, did you have your guests sign a release?

• 11:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, they sign releases, right?

• 11:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Don't they?

• 11:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean,

• 11:11Cameron Hanes?

  are you, of course, of course they do.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  You think we would let them carry the rock without signing a release?

• 11:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and be injured and sue us. Yeah. So I'm, I'm not the one to ask or to call anybody out on this shit. I don't know. I just wanted to hear it.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:24Cameron Hanes?

  I wanted to hear the, the whatever.

• 11:27Speaker 01

  I feel like that buildup would make for a better episode.

• 11:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And I, I was looking forward to it, but then it was supposed to be today, I think. And then of course, I don't think it happened. I don't know.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  Well, interesting. Well, we can get into some questions. I've got a really good one to start it off with.

• 11:42Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 11:43Speaker 01

  Rashid.

• 11:49Cameron Hanes?

  Rashid Wallace? You know who that is?

• 11:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 11:51Cameron Hanes?

  Played for the Blazers.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  Oh, uh, that's a

• 11:54Cameron Hanes?

  Is that from him?

• 11:55Speaker 01

  That's, I'm going to use that poll because I, I tried to play this game the other day. You have to name one player from every team in history. Just one from any time, but you can't rename any players. Yeah.

• 12:07Cameron Hanes?

  So like,

• 12:07Speaker 01

  So I got through all of them. You can't reuse players, but I got through all of them and then failed on a team I forgot existed. Memphis Grizzlies.

• 12:16Cameron Hanes?

  Are they right now? Are they the Memphis Grizzlies? Or what are they now? Cause they're still the, they're still the Memphis Grizzlies.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:25Cameron Hanes?

  You don't know Ja Morant?

• 12:26Speaker 01

  That's who I didn't name. And I was like, oh, I didn't realize he played for them.

• 12:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, okay. I don't know anybody else.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  I know.

• 12:34Cameron Hanes?

  But I know him.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  I was like, all right, give me a player. And they were like, Ja Morant. I was like, damn.

• 12:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that should have been an easy one.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. But anyways, so Rashid Khan asks, and this is a really good question. So you might want to finish that sip.

• 12:47Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 12:52Cameron Hanes?

  That's it?

• 12:53Speaker 01

  He just typed in H U. So what do you think about that?

• 12:58Cameron Hanes?

  I think that's a great question.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:01Cameron Hanes?

  And it actually leads me down a path I didn't intend to go down.

• 13:07Cameron Hanes?

  I want to talk about my childhood.

• 13:13Cameron Hanes?

  And how I felt

• 13:16Cameron Hanes?

  underappreciated.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Hmm. How you were touched.

• 13:19Cameron Hanes?

  No, that's you.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  Oh, right. Okay.

• 13:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No, that's all I had.

• 13:24Speaker 01

  Um, PJ Najera asks, what's on your reading list this year? I think a better question would be, do you read? Can you read?

• 13:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Uh, well, I've still been trying to read the Bible. So I did get through an entire chapter. So that's pretty good. Proverbs.

• 13:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So anyway, I don't know.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  The Bible.

• 13:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I feel that's a good one.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Have you seen that Leo Scepi guy?

• 13:52Speaker 01

  He's like a big bald guy. I think he might be gay. But anyways, he's been like, reading the Bible. And

• 13:59Speaker 01

  it's been going super viral.

• 14:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  Because he's been like a person in the past that you wouldn't expect to read the Bible. But he's, as he's reading it, a lot of things are like, kind of hitting home with him. And he's like, changing things about his life because of it. Uh, but anyways, it just reminded me of that.

• 14:13Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, no.

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Um, okay.

• 14:16Cameron Hanes?

  I'm waiting for something to hit home.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  Sean out there asks, will you continue doing ultras for the foreseeable future?

• 14:24Cameron Hanes?

  I guess. I mean,

• 14:27Cameron Hanes?

  I like running. I like testing myself.

• 14:29Speaker 01

  At what point do you think you stop running ultras?

• 14:34Cameron Hanes?

  Hopefully when I die and hopefully that's soon.

• 14:40Cameron Hanes?

  At my age, it could happen any second. But no, I don't, I've, I, other than today, tonight on my run, I've still feel pretty good. When I think about running or when I watch running videos, I feel good. When I'm actually running, I don't feel that great.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  Yeah. Me either.

• 15:01Cameron Hanes?

  Well, you got big goals coming up though.

• 15:03Speaker 01

  I know.

• 15:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  That's why I'm running, but every time I step out the door, I'm like.

• 15:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I'm like, I need. Do people like on steroids just feel like strong all the time and just like

• 15:17Speaker 01

  That'd be sick.

• 15:18Cameron Hanes?

  bouncy and light and, cause I, I was like, I do not feel like that. I feel like no bouncy, no strong, no nothing.

• 15:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:31Cameron Hanes?

  I feel like a jellyfish.

• 15:33Speaker 01

  I did like

• 15:34Cameron Hanes?

  Running.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  five miles the other day and just didn't look at my watch the whole time, just ran based off how I felt. I was like, damn, I felt really good. I feel like that was good run and then.

• 15:40Cameron Hanes?

  Six minute miles?

• 15:44Cameron Hanes?

  Five minute miles?

• 15:47Speaker 01

  It's like eight fifty ones.

• 15:50Cameron Hanes?

  That should feel good.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  That was like, oh.

• 15:53Cameron Hanes?

  That should feel really good.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Okay. So it turns out I do need to look at my watch.

• 15:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 15:57Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 15:58Cameron Hanes?

  Hopefully true is not taking that approach for his buildup on this next goal.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was like, was I running? I can't remember.

• 16:04Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 16:04Speaker 01

  Um, okay. Well, in the same kind of.

• 16:07Cameron Hanes?

  Same vein.

• 16:08Speaker 01

  Same vein. Thank you. Yeah. I was going to mess it up and make it a giddy them.

• 16:11Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  Kyle Hotlet Holt it asks, would you ever consider a last man standing race?

• 16:17Cameron Hanes?

  I've done one, so I guess I have considered it.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  But in the future.

• 16:22Cameron Hanes?

  Oh. Sure.

• 16:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't.

• 16:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I did. Let's see, I did one, I think a couple of years ago and I went fifty five miles. It was like kind of a weird one. It's like, it's five miles. So it's a little longer.

• 16:41Cameron Hanes?

  And I think, well, one, it was seventy. So it wasn't even too crazy. It's a little, I don't know, that mile. Normally those are like four point one. That extra mile makes a difference when you start to get fatigued. But, uh, and then I think this year I did it and I did.

• 17:00Cameron Hanes?

  Forty miles? Maybe. I just like had a goal. I hadn't been running. It was after Cogadona and I hadn't run in a month and then I went and did it. It was like first week of June and I think I did forty miles. So it was like I've done them, but not like it, not like honor the true last man standing.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  Not, not a marked out old addition?

• 17:20Cameron Hanes?

  No, he's a stud. He's, he is good.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:24Cameron Hanes?

  That guy's tough.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  We're gonna talk. I got a little bit to talk about him because he made a post. We will do this on shit talkers, but made a post about Minnesota and the state there at the moment, the Somalians.

• 17:35Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, did he?

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and caught a lot of heat for it.

• 17:37Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 17:38Speaker 01

  Yeah. So.

• 17:39Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 17:39Speaker 01

  Tune in. Um, oh, I like this question. Carl Ostapjuk asks, what is your in and out order? Now we're talking.

• 17:50Cameron Hanes?

  Pretty, pretty straightforward. Same as McDonald's, same as Burger King, same as anywhere. Two plain burgers, meat and a bun, nothing else, no funny business, plain and dry, no cheese, no secret sauce, no little bits of onion if you're at McDonald's and fries. And a large diet.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Yeah. How you order that is you just take, you say, I'll take a hamburger depressed style.

• 18:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yes, exactly.

• 18:19Speaker 01

  Sad and depressed.

• 18:21Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, those things are fucking thin and light. I mean, that's how you know, you go in the bag, you reach in the bag and you're like the lightest nothingness burger. That's mine. Yeah.

• 18:33Speaker 01

  I'm a two double doubles.

• 18:37Cameron Hanes?

  That's some meat, son. So that's four patties. Who had a million patties? Who was that? Was that Tanner?

• 18:48Speaker 01

  I think it was me.

• 18:49Cameron Hanes?

  Was it? So you had like, how many patties was that?

• 18:55Cameron Hanes?

  In the short term is like seven patties or something.

• 18:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, going down, right?

• 19:00Cameron Hanes?

  Is that what it was?

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Because we had burgers when we got there.

• 19:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:04Cameron Hanes?

  Where was this?

• 19:05Speaker 01

  At Powers.

• 19:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's what it was.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah. So in and out on the way, in and out or like the code there.

• 19:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:17Cameron Hanes?

  In and out on the way back.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was.

• 19:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 19:21Speaker 01

  It was a lot.

• 19:21Cameron Hanes?

  That's a lot.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  But when I go to Five Guys, I get the double cheeseburger with an extra patty. So three.

• 19:29Cameron Hanes?

  But just one?

• 19:30Speaker 01

  Just one.

• 19:30Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  No putting down two.

• 19:32Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. See, that's only three as opposed to four.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, it's not so bad.

• 19:36Cameron Hanes?

  It's science.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:37Cameron Hanes?

  Not sponsored.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  I wish. Gay, gay, gay.

• 19:43Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, a lot of those.

• 19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, here's a, yeah. Okay, real quick, we tell you guys every time to ask good questions and I have not seen an uptick in in quality of questions.

• 19:54Cameron Hanes?

  Dog humans.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  It's all love. Look, we love our dogs.

• 20:00Cameron Hanes?

  I love dogs.

• 20:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:02Cameron Hanes?

  I love dogs.

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, always happy to see.

• 20:04Cameron Hanes?

  And I love humans. I just don't know if I love dog humans.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  Depends, yeah. Depends. Depends how they show it.

• 20:12Cameron Hanes?

  How they show what?

• 20:13Speaker 01

  Their dog humanness.

• 20:14Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. If they just always want to.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  They're always humping their bed. Like in the morning when you wake up with a hard on.

• 20:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, then that's fine. Eating your own shit, not fine. See? We have standards. Ketone IQ is now backed by research from KU Louven and team of Vizma. Ketone IQ is showing powerful results in helping your body bounce back quicker and push harder, especially in tough, low oxygen conditions. Here's what the science says. Number one, ketone support EPO production. Yes, you heard that right. EPO. That's a hormone that boosts red blood cell count and helps deliver more oxygen to your muscles. Two, they improve blood flow and vasodilation, getting oxygen and nutrients where you need them faster. Three, and also they enhance brain.

• 21:04Cameron Hanes?

  Oxygenation for better endurance, sharper focus and quicker recovery. Whether you're an endurance athlete, a weekend warrior, or just someone who trains with purpose, Ketone IQ is edge your body's been waiting for. Ready to unlock next level performance? Go to ketone.com/cam for 10% off and 30% off your first purchase. Hoyt began with a dream and a simple desire. Create the best bow hunting and target archery equipment possible. And since 1931, that is exactly what they've been doing. I'm skeptical every year that this year's bow will be better than last year's. Yet somehow their engineers seem to figure it out.

• 21:46Cameron Hanes?

  I think what sets them apart is their engineers are all avid hunters themselves. So they take their bows in the field every year with intent to make them stronger, faster and more accurate. Hoyt is actually my lifetime bow sponsor. That is how much I believe in them, their products and their drive to always be the best. Hoyt is giving listeners of this podcast 20% off products in their store with code CAM. Sorry, it doesn't work on bows, but it does work on accessories, including quivers, rests, and my favorite, the ghost stick. That's code CAM at checkout at Hoyt.com.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  This guy, Ben Creek, says, "How do you do it all? You're an inspiration to so many. You have helped pull me from the darkness."

• 22:29Cameron Hanes?

  Thank you.

• 22:32Cameron Hanes?

  Man, don't know. One day at a time. I, I don't know how. I, yeah, I don't know. I don't even know. I'm a piece of shit that just tries to not be a piece of shit every day.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  That's what I say. Anytime my girlfriend has like, "Hey, I don't really like that you do this." I go, "I get it. I'm a piece of shit."

• 22:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, I, I'm sure you don't. I don't like that I do it either, actually, to be honest. I wish I could stop.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Oh, fine. I'll kill myself.

• 23:04Cameron Hanes?

  Cause that's our options. I'm either like that or I'm dead. So which one?

• 23:09Speaker 01

  You can't have it all.

• 23:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I have no clue, dude. I'm not the advi- this is crazy because I'm like the last person anybody would want advice from.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, no, you can understand it with you. What I don't get is when people ask me for advice.

• 23:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, well.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  That's nuts. You gotta be in a bad.

• 23:30Cameron Hanes?

  I don't think so, dude. You're, you're, what are you, 27?

• 23:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:34Cameron Hanes?

  27. I was such a fuck up. You're actually pretty squared away for 27.

• 23:41Speaker 01

  But think about the other 27 year olds we've had on and it's like.

• 23:44Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. So billionaires just making baller moves forever and just meeting with the president, Benji.

• 23:55Speaker 01

  Well, I don't, I didn't want to do that anyways. Well, so they offered, they offered it to me first.

• 23:59Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course.

• 24:00Speaker 01

  I said, I'm not a big guy, you know, I'm not big into the spotlight, so.

• 24:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Respectfully.

• 24:07Cameron Hanes?

  Have Benji. He might, he might be the best. Maybe too much.

• 24:12Speaker 01

  After me, yeah.

• 24:13Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe too much, too good?

• 24:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I can't really relate to him.

• 24:16Cameron Hanes?

  Someone say too good?

• 24:16Speaker 01

  You know?

• 24:17Cameron Hanes?

  Someone say not good enough? Trying to be Trump. I don't know how to.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a bad.

• 24:22Cameron Hanes?

  Normally he talks about it like, maybe too many Asians. Some, some would say too many.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  He's a great guy.

• 24:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 24:38Cameron Hanes?

  That was more like Shane Gillis.

• 24:42Cameron Hanes?

  I just saw a picture of Shane Gillis. Was he at Zach Bryan's wedding? I think he was.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, Zach Bryan got married.

• 24:47Cameron Hanes?

  I saw that.

• 24:48Speaker 01

  Looks exa- she is his ex's doppelganger.

• 24:52Cameron Hanes?

  Brittany Chicken Fry or whatever her name is?

• 24:55Speaker 01

  Brianna.

• 24:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, Brianna Chicken Fry. That is, is that my massage girl?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, Brianna Chicken Fry.

• 25:02Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I thought that name sounded familiar.

• 25:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. They look similar.

• 25:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, pretty, it's pretty bad.

• 25:12Cameron Hanes?

  Anyway, Shane was there, I think.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  Oh, I didn't know that. That's kind of wild.

• 25:16Cameron Hanes?

  They were both in a tux, so I don't know where it was.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, with, um.

• 25:19Cameron Hanes?

  Zach Bryan.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  No, some guy was laying on the pavement.

• 25:23Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I didn't see that.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  I can't remember anyways.

• 25:27Cameron Hanes?

  AI.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  Slickmouth BBQ.

• 25:30Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Asks, what's the name of the good Mexican restaurant in Eugene?

• 25:34Cameron Hanes?

  Chapala's baby.

• 25:35Speaker 01

  Chapala's. Get some.

• 25:37Cameron Hanes?

  Chapala's. You will, if you go there. Normally how I do it is there's at least two baskets or three baskets of chips.

• 25:50Cameron Hanes?

  Gone before the tacos get there.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  We also have salsa.

• 25:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, chips and salsa and they're, they're warm, they're salty, they're got all the seed oil everywhere dipped in them.

• 26:02Speaker 01

  Hold on, warm salty seed oil.

• 26:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  What are we talking about here?

• 26:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 26:08Speaker 01

  That's what my cum tastes.

• 26:10Cameron Hanes?

  Well, these are cum chips.

• 26:13Speaker 01

  Just, just cum into the fryer.

• 26:18Cameron Hanes?

  That reminds me, we watched Fight Club the other day. And that's a big part of it. Like spitting and pissing in the, in all the shit.

• 26:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I thought you were talking about coming into a.

• 26:30Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, probably.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Industrial fryer.

• 26:32Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe they, I'm sure they did, but they were.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  They cut that scene.

• 26:35Cameron Hanes?

  They were anti everything, anti establishment. On that movie. It's a great movie, but uh, yeah.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Well, there you go. He's gonna be at Spike Camp, so that's why I asked.

• 26:45Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, gotcha. Yeah, it's coming up.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Um, Max Song J asks, very nice, how much?

• 27:00Cameron Hanes?

  For this? I would say.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  I think he's asking about, for you.

• 27:04Cameron Hanes?

  $10. Oh, for like sexual favors?

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:12Cameron Hanes?

  I guess it depends on the day.

• 27:15Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 27:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so check back with me.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  Not that anybody cares, but I'm a 20 bucks for anything kinda guy.

• 27:21Cameron Hanes?

  Anything, huh?

• 27:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:23Cameron Hanes?

  You should do those like the girls do.

• 27:27Cameron Hanes?

  What do they, what do they, it always says like, uses all three holes or what these stupid.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  All four.

• 27:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, what is, I don't even, I haven't even like, don't even care enough to try to figure out what four holes are. But I see like, like shaved pussy. I don't know what they say, but.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, I I've never seen it, but just I hear.

• 27:52Cameron Hanes?

  I've definitely seen it because it's on Instagram and it's just stupid. And I just see that and I'll just be like, okay. Whatever. I mean.

• 28:00Speaker 01

  See, you got one.

• 28:02Cameron Hanes?

  Two. Three.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  Two.

• 28:09Cameron Hanes?

  Let me go. Wait, let me start over. One.

• 28:13Cameron Hanes?

  I I I don't know, but anyway.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  If you guys know.

• 28:17Cameron Hanes?

  Twenty bucks for all four holes.

• 28:18Speaker 01

  Smash that comment button.

• 28:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, smash and subscribe.

• 28:23Speaker 01

  Can consistency beat the so-called X factor? I feel like this is a talent versus.

• 28:29Cameron Hanes?

  Training. Yeah. Uh, I I don't know. I don't have either. I mean, I'm fairly consistent, so. I don't know. I don't know what it's like to have talent. So I can't really speak to to. The one offs. But.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, well. Like I said in the last one, when we were talking about, uh, speed of. Bow speed, which we can, we have to address that on shit talkers.

• 28:57Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, boy.

• 28:59Speaker 01

  I I like to think in extremes. Somebody has talent and they are a fat piece of shit and sitting on the couch. They're not going to be anything. But if you take a fat piece of shit and give them really good work ethic, they will be something. So work ethic, it has to outweigh talent.

• 29:13Cameron Hanes?

  What does that have to do with speed of a bow?

• 29:15Speaker 01

  Well, just like that.

• 29:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. No, I know. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I think, uh, yeah, talent, if you're fucking worthless, not gonna, not gonna even see it.

• 29:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, remember this, guys.

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Ten divided by zero is always zero.

• 29:32Cameron Hanes?

  Exactly.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  So remember that.

• 29:34Cameron Hanes?

  And zero times one million is.

• 29:40Cameron Hanes?

  Exactly.

• 29:41Speaker 01

  The pen can only write on the paper it's given.

• 29:44Cameron Hanes?

  A hundred percent. What I don't know what any of that means.

• 29:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:48Cameron Hanes?

  But here's what I know. Get to fucking work.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Boats can only float because water exists, but it also means that they can sink.

• 29:57Cameron Hanes?

  Ooh.

• 29:57Speaker 01

  Remember that.

• 29:59Cameron Hanes?

  Good. That's gonna be my neck tat.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Ooh, but in a Chinese.

• 30:03Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, cuz then I can say it's like some ancient proverb. And it's like, oh, I couldn't explain it to you.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know, but it just says cheeseburger.

• 30:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Just a intermission here. If you put a question dialogue or question, not dialogue. What is it? Question box. Sure.

• 30:24Cameron Hanes?

  You arguing with yourself?

• 30:25Speaker 01

  You fill that out with send me a bow.

• 30:28Cameron Hanes?

  Is that what it says?

• 30:29Speaker 01

  There's a couple.

• 30:30Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 30:30Speaker 01

  What the you doing?

• 30:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, homos.

• 30:33Speaker 01

  Dog human.

• 30:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, dog.

• 30:34Speaker 01

  Go eat shit.

• 30:35Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, yeah, I don't wanna, I don't wanna disrespect homo, so dog humans.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:39Cameron Hanes?

  Sorry.

• 30:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. After bows, well, after a bow, arrows and a release. What should somebody buy as their next step toward hunting?

• 30:51Cameron Hanes?

  You gotta buy that dog in you.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Money can't buy that.

• 30:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, shit. Uh, let's see. What, what was the things he had? Bow?

• 31:01Speaker 01

  A bow, arrows and a release.

• 31:03Cameron Hanes?

  You're gonna need binos, son. You're gonna need binos. I mean, I don't know. I used to like, before I knew anything, like when I first started rifle hunting, I didn't have binos. But everybody just used to look through the scope at shit. Until you look through the scope and there's some guy going, what the?

• 31:23Cameron Hanes?

  So then I had cheap binos, but I think even back east and some people probably hunt without binos.

• 31:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, you probably could.

• 31:30Cameron Hanes?

  It's so thick, but out west, if you're, if you're out west, you gotta have binos. If you're, uh.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  Well, his, his username is Dom Western. So we, I think we can.

• 31:40Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, optics, son.

• 31:42Speaker 01

  Dominatrix Western.

• 31:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you're gonna need binos, rangefinder. You might get both in one, but yeah, that's gonna be the next, next purchase.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  Well, there's been a lot of people that want advice for training for their first marathon, first half marathon. I'm gonna go ahead and cut you off. Uh, if you haven't listened, you can do it right now. So don't train for a year to run a mediocre time. Just go do it.

• 32:04Cameron Hanes?

  Well, we also have a training program. Now I know more about.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  It's pretty cool.

• 32:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I saw it. Uh, Rihanna was like spearheading that. And I think you added, or you had a suggestion to add in running and ultra running, like as far as marathon training program.

• 32:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And I thought that was a great idea. So everything I saw, the app looks sick. We're going to be populating it. It's got some cool stuff in there now, but we're going to answer this question specifically for sure. And that, so check that out. I don't know when it's going to be released, but.

• 32:35Speaker 01

  It's, it's released. So there's some users on there. We haven't like publicly pushed it. It's like, um, we've got some select people in there using it just to give feedback. Um, but Rihanna did a great job with it. We've also gotten there like, you know, an AI coach. Um, and then also we've added kind of a social media aspect to it. You can follow people. Um, and then there's a community tab where you can see people post and train. So it's actually, I've been using it. I've been posting on there and it's pretty fun. There's nutrition. So, yeah.

• 33:06Cameron Hanes?

  Is there a, a follow button and a, is there a stalk button? If you just want to stalk people?

• 33:13Speaker 01

  No, that is something I recommended we add is being able to go to profile pages.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  Cause I've been posting my AI titties on.

• 33:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Okay. Cool.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  So yeah, anyways, do you have a race? I'm going to add, or an event, like a hunt, maybe that was your flu game. Jordan flu game.

• 33:35Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  I, to me, I feel like Cocodona. I know like afterwards, but still.

• 33:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Just a broken foot?

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Broken foot, uh, going to see the undertaker after, and then still finishing in the top 20.

• 33:51Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  I feel like that's pretty good.

• 33:53Cameron Hanes?

  The undertaker? What was that?

• 33:56Speaker 01

  Isn't that, well, cause you almost died?

• 33:58Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, at the hospital? Oh, fuck. Yeah. No shit.

• 34:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that was, okay, that was definitely the flu like at the end. Holy shit. Yeah, it was during the race, maybe I felt like that. I think that's just, what did I have again? What was it called? A neurovirus?

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Neurovirus, yeah.

• 34:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so I think that's just how you feel during an ultra. So I didn't really know if I had it or not. But once I got done, I definitely had it. But yeah, that was, that, that three days was not the easiest.

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was a long three days for sure.

• 34:36Cameron Hanes?

  Three day flu right there with a broken foot.

• 34:40Speaker 01

  Um, this is a good question. I like, how do you restore self-confidence and self-worth?

• 34:47Cameron Hanes?

  Do you need to have it first to restore it?

• 34:50Speaker 01

  I think so. Let's say you're a regular guy and then you find out your wife has been getting dicked down.

• 34:57Cameron Hanes?

  Does that happen to every, in every marriage?

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Right. Some people it affects, other people it doesn't.

• 35:02Cameron Hanes?

  You can just ignore it?

• 35:05Speaker 01

  Oh, this is by Lander T. Davidson, by the way.

• 35:09Cameron Hanes?

  Let's see. So this is advice for what?

• 35:13Speaker 01

  How do you restore self-confidence and self-worth?

• 35:17Cameron Hanes?

  Well, I mean, I have had some hunts and I've, I've had races too where

• 35:25Cameron Hanes?

  I felt like I didn't perform up to my, you know, you, you just, you're not gonna, I mean, I'm not gonna be an Olympian, but I want to compete at my highest level. So there's times when you don't feel like you, you gave your best or you put your best out there for whatever reason. Maybe it was like a rough day mentally or physically, or it could be emotionally, whatever. But I've been, I've had situations like that and it sucks. And you're like, this is what I've worked my whole life for to shit the bed here. All we can do is, you know, get back on that bike, basically, get back on the horse, whatever you want to call it.

• 36:04Cameron Hanes?

  You fall down, you get back up. Um, it's just the way it goes, you know, especially, and I think we've talked about this specifically with Jelly Roll and Truitt, but you know, the, the higher the stakes of what you're taking on, the, the greater the likelihood you could fail. And that's just how it works. You take, you know, safe bets all the time. Whatever, it's probably not going to be a big payoff, obviously, but you go for big goals and you're very ambitious, you might get kicked in the nuts. And so then that is going to be the test because that is where people, they can be like, I just don't have what it takes. But instead of that, how about just reframe and say, no, I was, I was trying

• 36:44Cameron Hanes?

  to do something that no, very few people have ever done. And there's a reason. And if that's you, then it's, it's really easy to, to, um, I guess, um, I don't talk yourself through that. But if it's something that you feel like you've seen other people do, and you should have been able to do it, and you didn't, that's okay, too. Because as we've talked about, some people are further ahead on the path. So just because it's like, even like, you say, everybody's running marathons, right? And everybody's like, everybody you know is like, with this medal and their bib and all this shit and smiles. But then you go try to run one, and something happens. And it's still a long ways, 26 miles. And

• 37:26Cameron Hanes?

  if you haven't done the training prior, your body might say, no, we're not ready. Right. But that's okay. Because we just learn, we adjust, we recalibrate, and we're like, okay, I didn't put in the work. And that, this is what happens when you don't do that. So all we can do is learn from it, get better. So it doesn't really matter how big the goal is, you still have to put in the necessary steps, uh, prior to be prepared for it. And sometimes we get a wake up call. Yeah. Sometimes that wake up call hurts and it sucks. But it's the people who don't, uh, don't have that resolution that we're after, don't have that, the dog that we talk about, they're the ones who quit after one attempt. Hmm. The people who stick with it, those are the people that you know their name. Yeah.

• 38:09Cameron Hanes?

  All right. Those are the people that you follow. Those are the people, they've all failed. They've all failed, they've all questioned themselves, but none of them quit. So you're, you're only a failure when you quit. Hmm. And, um, so yeah, I've had a lot of times where I, you know, was disappointed in my effort, disappointed, and you know, I, I felt like I I don't know if I deserved or I wanted better results and I didn't get them. All I've ever done has been like, okay, I just gotta work harder.

• 38:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think two things. I think one, getting back on the horse is super important. You know, you, you look at like extreme athletes.

• 38:45Speaker 01

  You know, I could take like climbing, for example. I always tried climbing this one time, which is where you, you're basically following a crack system and you place your own protection. And then you clip yourself into it as you go and I ran out like halfway up and I fell and the last piece I'd placed busted out of the wall and I fell like 60 feet upside down and landed like two feet above the ground with my head facing downwards. And I remember at the time I was like, I wanted to shit my pants because I was so scared. And the only option was you have to get back up and try again because if you don't, you're going to let the self doubt creep in. You're going to let the nerves creep in. I just watched Ford versus Ferrari and it's like Shelby Carroll

• 39:29Speaker 01

  has that race where, uh, you know, he loses his nerve and he stops racing and it's like, that's, that's what's going to happen. You're going to let any kind of doubt, that's when it's going to come in. So you have to get back on the horse. And then second, I think a lot of people who lack self-confidence and self-worth are people that aren't honest with themselves. They can't look themselves in the mirror and say, this is how I [__] up. This is how I need to get better. Instead, they want to live in a lie and tell themselves that they, they are doing these things or they want to be a victim. And you can't do that. You have to be able to be honest with yourself. And if you fail or you know, you, you don't achieve your goal the first time, you have to be able to look at yourself and say, okay, I didn't work hard enough. And I will this time. So that would be my, my advice. Not that you asked for it, but you got it anyways.

• 40:15Cameron Hanes?

  I like it.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Let's see. Terry, Terry Wayne Christ asks, did you know P22, the Hollywood mountain lion? Pretty famous, been photographed a bunch of times, attacked a girl walking her dog.

• 40:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I saw that. I sent that to Joe. Um, cause we had been talking about that. That's the, that is the lion with the Hollywood sign in the background, that photo. And, uh, yeah, they, I think they killed it. They had to put it down, but yeah, this is. These animals, I think I just saw a woman got killed in Colorado. Did you see that?

• 40:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:53Cameron Hanes?

  And it was the same, I think it was the same lion. I'm pretty sure she had an encounter with, like a few weeks ago and had it, she warded it off successfully or it was something like that. Again, I'm just like a headline reader.

• 41:09Speaker 01

  It wasn't the one that that guy had a run in.

• 41:11Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe, maybe it was, but it, it, I don't know if it was her, but it had had an issue with somebody before. They think it's the same lion and then it ended up killing her, I think yesterday. And, uh, yeah, these things, I mean, I don't know what people, you know, you start, there's lions out there. They're born and bred, natural born killers. That's how they survive. They don't eat grass and shit. They eat, they kill stuff and eat it. That's it.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  They don't go to Whole Foods and get their vegan chicken nuggets.

• 41:43Cameron Hanes?

  Kill. So if you're in where they live, you, you might get killed.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:51Cameron Hanes?

  Because that's what they do. They don't differentiate without the threat of human. You know, I mean, as we've talked about this with grizzlies, if grizzlies don't fear humans, they're the top of the food chain. And lions are like that too. You haven't been able to hunt them in California for, since the seventies. Colorado, you know, I don't know if this one is, you know, uh, just used to people being around on the trails or whatever it was. Or maybe he's a, maybe he was hungry. Maybe there's an issue with it. Maybe it's just a dominant male. But whatever the case, they're dangerous animals and they kill. That's their business.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. I think people see the photo and they're like, oh, that's so cool. It's like, yeah, it is really cool. The photo is amazing. But it also comes with risk, you know?

• 42:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  I mean, that's just kind of a part of the deal.

• 42:37Speaker 01

  Also, funny thing about not hunting them in California, don't they kill just about the same amount, just not publicly?

• 42:44Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we were trying to look at those numbers. I would say they don't want those numbers like super easy to find, but yeah, generally how it works is instead of hunters paying for the right to hunt these animals and paying for the tag and license and everything and monitoring it that way, the government or the state has to hire trappers or just government hunters essentially to go and eliminate animals, just like this, this one that attacked that woman in California. And so if you look at the objective on what the carrying capacity is of the land, how many like should be harvested to keep that healthy population down or where there, there's not too many lions or they're killing too many deer. And then if there's too many lions, then there's not enough deer and then they don't have

• 43:27Cameron Hanes?

  anything to kill. So then they're killing pets. But as long as you keep that balance there, I think generally what they pay to have government trappers and hunters for the state or the agency kill would be somewhere close to what hunters would kill. That'd be the objective to kill annually. Instead of hunters paying for it and then that money going to help fund conservation, the state has to pay. Instead, they're losing money because they're paying somebody to do it.

• 43:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. And who do you think the state is getting money from?

• 44:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 01

  Taxes.

• 44:03Cameron Hanes?

  The people. Yeah.

• 44:04Speaker 01

  So who do you think's taxing you?

• 44:06Cameron Hanes?

  You.

• 44:06Speaker 01

  Benjamin Netanyahu.

• 44:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you're paying for that shit instead of hunters. And you know, we, the North American wildlife model is the most successful on earth. Um, we've, you know, for people that don't know, there's more deer, elk, bear, turkey in, you know, now than there was a hundred years ago because of hunters have taken these conservation measures and stepped to step this up. We, we can contribute the money to pay for habitat, to pay for science, to pay for biology, to pay for research, to make sure that we're, we're managing wildlife the way it should be to the best of our ability. And it's been a wildly successful program

• 44:48Cameron Hanes?

  for like I said, a hundred years. Um, but in California and some states, they take that out of our hands. They say, no, you guys have kicked ass. Yeah, you've done a great job, but. We're not gonna let you do that here. In fact, we're not gonna let you hunt them at all and this shit like this happens.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 45:06Cameron Hanes?

  And so it's a, you know, I think hunters deserve a lot of credit for what we've done because it's a hunter centric program, the North American Wildlife Model, and it's been successful. Just let us do what we do. We care.

• 45:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, we don't need a ballot box biology.

• 45:22Cameron Hanes?

  No, for sure.

• 45:24Speaker 01

  Ben can be as fit. That's yet to be seen. Have there been periods in your marriage where you've had to put some of your goals on hold?

• 45:35Cameron Hanes?

  Out in the mountains, there's no room for weak gear. When I'm packing out meat in the heat or loading up for a long range training trip, I need a cooler that holds the line every time. That's why I use Grizzly coolers. These things are bear proof, rugged as hell, and keep ice locked in for days, literally. I've had coolers on the trail, baking in the sun, still holding ice after hauling out elk quarters. That's performance you can count on. Whether you're running deep in the backcountry or just stacking meat for the weekend, Grizzly is built for that grind. Right now, you can get 20% off at grizzlycoolers.com with the code KEEPHAMMERING. And that's all one word. And I'm not gonna

• 46:20Cameron Hanes?

  spell it. Keep hammering. Again, keep hammering, one word for 20% off. Don't roll with weak gear. Go Grizzly. When you're deep in the backcountry and everything depends on your gear, your knife can't be the weak link. That's why I teamed up with Montana Knife Company to build the Keep Hammering Packout. What matters to me in all things is performance. The Packout is built to do one thing really well, break down animals efficiently. The blade shape gives you control when skinning, the steel holds an edge, and it's light enough that you don't think twice about carrying it all day. When you're tired, cold, and working on an animal miles from the truck, simple and reliable are everything. Montana Knife

• 47:03Cameron Hanes?

  Company is American made, and that matters to me. I know Josh Smith personally, and he doesn't cut corners. He cares about quality, doing things the right way and about building products here in the USA that actually perform in the field. That's why I trust this knife. If you want to check it out, head to Montana Knife Company.com and right now, podcast listeners, get 10% off any knife with code CAM10. C-A-M-10. The Keep Hammering Pack Out. Built for the backcountry, built to work. We've got a limited all-black pack out dropping January 8th. Quantities are tight and they won't last. Get yours now. No.

• 47:50Speaker 01

  So Ken, tell that bitch wife of yours to shut up.

• 47:56Cameron Hanes?

  Any other questions?

• 48:00Cameron Hanes?

  My, well, part of it is, you know, my goal has always been to provide for my family, to make sure they have everything they need. So it's not like my goals are interfering with my role as a husband and father. That's always been, you know, I'm, I'm the provider and protector of this house, always have been, always put my kids in position to be successful, coached them up, fathered them up, done, done whatever I need to do to make sure that they understand that. And there's been no goals of mine that have superseded that. So if you're putting your goals ahead of your family, or your marriage, or your kids, okay, keep doing.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:45Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, we're, we're dads, husbands, fathers, we know. I don't, and that's what, another thing is like, I cannot stand when people like, oh, well, my dad wasn't around when I was a kid. So that's, I'm just like trying to, shut the up. You know what's right and wrong. You know, who gives a what happened when you were five? I don't, you're 40.

• 49:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:06Cameron Hanes?

  30. You don't know what's right and wrong. It doesn't matter what, how you grew up or what your dad did. Nobody gives a about that. You're a man, be a man.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, I always say it's like, you know, okay, great. That, that happened in your childhood. Nope. Like, what do you expect?

• 49:25Speaker 01

  The only person that can fix that is yourself. You're gonna have to take ownership. Or you can feel sorry for yourself, I guess, and continue the cycle.

• 49:32Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you can be a victim and can blame everybody for why you're not successful. Nobody gives a and it's like, to me, whatever I went through, I'm glad.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:42Cameron Hanes?

  I'm glad. If if I would have had it too good, I wouldn't be who I am. So I I'm thankful for all the shit I had to go through. I wouldn't want it any other way. And if you're using what you had to go through as a crutch, grow up.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Or as my brother told me recently.

• 50:01Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, boy. Oh, boy.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  He texted me and said that I need to grow up and be an adult and face my issues with my family instead of running away from them.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  From my nice cushy life, quote.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Do you have any objections to that, Zeke? No? Okay.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  So.

• 50:26Cameron Hanes?

  Is like, just having a job, is that running away?

• 50:31Speaker 01

  I guess. I don't know. Maybe I, to be fair. I mean, he's kind of right. I don't really want to go home.

• 50:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but is that running away? Or is that just like, this is depressing?

• 50:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Anyways.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  Vance Beeb a baby. Do you ever do any bow hunting for carp? And I know you don't.

• 50:57Speaker 01

  But I fly fish for carp and it is, it's the Rocky Mountain redfish. But I have bow hunted for him and it's actually really fun. It's definitely a redneck. That's for sure.

• 51:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, me and Roy actually used to do that all the time when you could bait for bear with here in Oregon. So we'd go and we. We'd go out to Fern Ridge, carp spawn in this shallow water out there. We'd go out, kill a bunch of carp, take them for bear bait.

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Oh, no kidding. That's actually a good idea. Good way to use them.

• 51:28Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's, yeah, because I don't know what the you're gonna do with them.

• 51:31Speaker 01

  Well, there are some cultures that eat them.

• 51:33Cameron Hanes?

  Well, here's a fun fact on the carp. Me and Roy, oh, Roy, bear bait was always a thing. We'd always like be hustling at Williams Bakery, getting old donuts or carp, right? So then we'd put them in fifty-five gallon drums at Roy's house. And if you put a bunch of carp in a sealed fifty-five gallon drum, a lot of gases and a lot of, I'm not really a scientist or a chemist, you might be surprised to learn, but apparently, apparently.

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Apparently.

• 52:07Cameron Hanes?

  Apparently, that little kid says it twenty fucking times on that one video.

• 52:11Speaker 01

  Apparently.

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Apparently, I've never been on live television before. Apparently every time, apparently grandpa just gives me a remote after we watch the Powerball.

• 52:22Cameron Hanes?

  Apparently gases and whatnot build up. And so, if you have a fifty-five gallon drum that has like this ring around it and lid and then a bolt, right? So then you you back off the bolt a little bit and then you can take that ring off. But if there's a bunch of pressure per se in that, that drum, you back off that bolt a certain number of turns, maybe, where maybe that lid could come off under pressure and explode up in the air and then carp juice and maggots.

• 52:58Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 52:59Cameron Hanes?

  Are raining down on you. That could happen. That could happen. That was a fun time.

• 53:05Speaker 01

  That was like me fishing out the beavers.

• 53:07Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it reminded me of that. But yeah, pretty nasty, dude.

• 53:11Speaker 01

  That's disgusting.

• 53:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so same thing. So, yeah.

• 53:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:14Cameron Hanes?

  Good. Rotten maggots.

• 53:16Speaker 01

  Just building pipe bombs, but with carp.

• 53:19Cameron Hanes?

  Carp, yeah, it works.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  So, yeah, they taste really good. Spock27S asks, it's not really a question in here, but I want to start running. I'm forty-five years old, sixty pounds overweight and want to love running.

• 53:37Cameron Hanes?

  One step at a time, baby.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  One step at a time.

• 53:40Cameron Hanes?

  Let's get going. And I wouldn't be too married to the running part. I just get out, cover some miles, walking, even hiking.

• 53:51Cameron Hanes?

  Get your body used to getting miles on your feet because it's a lot of, you know, as, as we've discussed here, I think before, but there's about 2,000 miles, I don't know, 2,000 steps a mile. So five miles, 2,000 steps, 10,000 steps a day. Whether you're running or not, 10,000 steps, if you've been doing two, or one, or 500, 10,000 is a lot.

• 54:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:15Cameron Hanes?

  So get your body used to that. That's where, this is where people are always like, I wanted to run, but I had shin splints. I've never had shin splints in my life, but I've been running my whole life. So I would just say, I, I understand where you're at, and I applaud that, and I love the positive changes and then, and the shift in mindset. But just get out there and get your body used to it before you get injured and then get derailed.

• 54:41Cameron Hanes?

  That's the last time I'll talk about being moderate in your effort. Because other than that, I think people are way too weak and talk about overtraining when they're giving like 30% effort.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:57Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  And maybe, you know, going for those 10,000 steps is, you know, his hardest effort.

• 55:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:02Speaker 01

  You know, it's, it's relative, but there's, the best time to start was yesterday. And the second best time to start?

• 55:11Cameron Hanes?

  Tomorrow. Oh, today?

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Right now.

• 55:13Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, oh, gotcha.

• 55:15Speaker 01

  Remember that.

• 55:16Cameron Hanes?

  It's, it's like so late, though. It's 10 after 7.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, that is.

• 55:21Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe tomorrow.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll do tomorrow.

• 55:23Cameron Hanes?

  Maybe tomorrow would be better.

• 55:25Speaker 01

  Sounds good.

• 55:25Cameron Hanes?

  But Sunday, so maybe, maybe, you know, Sunday's family day.

• 55:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:31Cameron Hanes?

  Even, even Jesus rested, I think, on Sunday.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:35Cameron Hanes?

  Or was that God?

• 55:36Speaker 01

  Uh, you gotta honor the Sabbath.

• 55:38Cameron Hanes?

  The Sabbath.

• 55:39Speaker 01

  Shomer Shabbos. I don't roll on the Sabbath.

• 55:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so, um, I'm joking, obviously.

• 55:49Cameron Hanes?

  Get after it every day, but not, don't go too crazy and get hurt first.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  Um, this is, this is one you'll really like. Rancor Wrangler asks, how, how to get deer bigger slash attract them to your land? I figured you'd know all about.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  What you wanna do, go get your plow, plow yourself a big field and plant corn in it. Then.

• 56:16Cameron Hanes?

  Then get ready, cause here come them deer.

• 56:19Speaker 01

  Come that big buck, that target buck.

• 56:20Cameron Hanes?

  There it comes, big old twelve pointer.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  I'm a smoking.

• 56:25Cameron Hanes?

  I'm gonna fill him with some buckshot. Yeah, yeah, I think I will. I think that's what I'm gonna do.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  It's like Sling Blade. Have you seen that?

• 56:34Cameron Hanes?

  I'm gonna kill that son of a bitch. Did that show Hailey Berry Naked?

• 56:40Cameron Hanes?

  Or was that another movie?

• 56:41Speaker 01

  Something else. Sling Blade is the, Sling Blade.

• 56:46Cameron Hanes?

  Swing Blade? Oh, that was Monster, maybe?

• 56:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, Sling Blade is the retard who.

• 56:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 56:57Speaker 01

  Takes a lawnmower blade and kills a dad, a guy, a kid's abusive dad with it.

• 57:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:04Speaker 01

  French fried potatoes.

• 57:05Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 57:06Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. You are not swearing like that. You is just a boy.

• 57:13Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm.

• 57:16Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. Billy Bob's taking on some, now he's, you know, landman.

• 57:21Speaker 01

  Love that show.

• 57:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 57:23Speaker 01

  For multiple reasons.

• 57:25Cameron Hanes?

  The daughter, she drives me insane.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  Oh my.

• 57:29Cameron Hanes?

  Just shut the up and just be on screen and just quit being a, just irritating.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  Take your tits out.

• 57:35Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, she's like, why people hate hot girls?

• 57:39Speaker 01

  Exactly. And the wife's not much better. Actually.

• 57:41Cameron Hanes?

  Just don't talk.

• 57:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:43Cameron Hanes?

  Cause that, is that too much to ask?

• 57:45Speaker 01

  We, Connor and I used to notice that every show about a guy who's successful always has to have some nagging bitch ass wife. So we always call it the bitch ass.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Just kidding, guys. It's all love.

• 58:01Cameron Hanes?

  It's all love. Oh, we forgot the disclaimer.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:04Cameron Hanes?

  We, we said it at the beginning, but just in case you forgot, some of you wives may have forgot when you heard that one part right there. It's all love, baby.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, and because apparently we have women that listen.

• 58:17Cameron Hanes?

  And yeah, I did hear, I did get some messages from women.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. Why?

• 58:23Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:24Speaker 01

  I mean, besides the fact that I'm strikingly good looking and, you know, you're probably abusing.

• 58:28Cameron Hanes?

  Just show us your tits.

• 58:32Cameron Hanes?

  We don't need to, we don't need to be any words.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  I know you're abusing the little man in the boat to me. In my, in my voice.

• 58:41Cameron Hanes?

  What?

• 58:42Speaker 01

  Little man in the boat. Think about it.

• 58:44Cameron Hanes?

  Is that their?

• 58:45Speaker 01

  Little man in the boat.

• 58:47Cameron Hanes?

  Oh shit. That's next level.

• 58:50Speaker 01

  I know.

• 58:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I never heard that reference. That's cool.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 58:53Cameron Hanes?

  That what the kids do now?

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:54Cameron Hanes?

  That's what they say?

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Play the DJ. Woogie woogie woogie.

• 58:57Cameron Hanes?

  I thought they just said six, seven, or whatever the fuck that is. I don't even know what it is.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  I don't know how it started.

• 59:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, but I hate it.

• 59:05Speaker 01

  When are you inviting Ella Langley to do a lift, run, shoot?

• 59:11Speaker 01

  And call her daddy?

• 59:13Cameron Hanes?

  I know. That one could happen. Ella, she's plain hard to get.

• 59:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, classic Ella.

• 59:21Cameron Hanes?

  Uh, it's just what she does. She's crazy girl.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Crazy girl. You, you crazy girl.

• 59:30Cameron Hanes?

  One, she is. She's so cute. So cute. She does stuff like this, pretends like we don't exist.

• 59:38Speaker 01

  Classic.

• 59:41Cameron Hanes?

  But once she gets done with this little charade, she'll be on.

• 59:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:46Cameron Hanes?

  Guaranteed. So coming up soon. Shoot a bow. Seen her shoot a bow.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  So just need to

• 59:52Speaker 01

  do the lift.

• 59:53Cameron Hanes?

  Did you see her like hit that water bottle? Yeah.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  Is it real?

• 59:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:58Speaker 01

  Damn.

• 59:58Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  What is the single most important thought you have every day? Just one.

• 1:00:06Cameron Hanes?

  I'm waiting for one. I'm waiting for an important thought. Normally it's like my thoughts are like, I have to go look myself in the mirror and be like, man, you're

• 1:00:20Cameron Hanes?

  you need to get your shit together.

• 1:00:25Speaker 01

  That's pretty much the most important thought I have too.

• 1:00:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  You're a piece of shit.

• 1:00:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so it's, it's really like just try, it's, it's the bottom of the barrel, like as far as existence goes, just trying to stay above that line.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Slightly. Sometimes you dip your toe in it.

• 1:00:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I most I don't I don't even know. I don't have an important thought. I don't think I'm still like I said, I'm waiting for one.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're still leering.

• 1:00:54Cameron Hanes?

  Mm hmm. Okay. Lering? What's that?

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Learning.

• 1:00:59Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God, I know. In Somalis.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Um, what's the hardest question you've ever been asked?

• 1:01:07Cameron Hanes?

  This one?

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Who is Cameron Hanes?

• 1:01:09Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 1:01:14Cameron Hanes?

  Can hate that question. Who is? Yeah. Hardest question I've ever been asked.

• 1:01:25Cameron Hanes?

  I think it was I was leaving. I was drunk at the Oregon game and I left. We didn't even go in at halftime. This is back when I was probably at my height of being an idiot.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Till like last year at some point.

• 1:01:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's been like just this weird stretch from when I was 21 to now.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:01:50Cameron Hanes?

  Just a little rough patch.

• 1:01:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:52Cameron Hanes?

  But when I was 21, I remember I was leaving the Oregon game, been in or didn't go in at halftime. I don't know if we were winning, losing, but just stayed out and drank. So basically what you do, you get there early, get up before the game. You sneak beers in and something like a boat a bag or something like that.

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  Your asshole. Yeah.

• 1:02:10Cameron Hanes?

  Somewhere. Yeah. Prison pocket. You get in, you sip, try to sip some, don't get kicked out because you're not supposed to take your own alcohol in there. Then you come back out at halftime, drink some more. Usually there's fights and just stupid shit like that. But at this time, I just kept drinking, stayed out there. Then it's time to leave. So when everybody leaves, you know, it's kind of a shit show. And you would think that I wouldn't be driving after I'd been. So this might have been at like, say, it used to be the games used to be like 12:30. So you'd get there like 10 to start drinking. You might be drinking at home before that.

• 1:02:49Cameron Hanes?

  Game gets over, say around 3:34 and then you're leaving. So you've had about at least six, seven, eight hours of drinking.

• 1:03:00Cameron Hanes?

  Which usually.

• 1:03:02Cameron Hanes?

  Leads to good decisions for me.

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  Of course.

• 1:03:04Cameron Hanes?

  Right. And so what I decided to do at that time was all the, you know, there's a bunch of traffic. They have cones out going out on the Centennial Boulevard there. It's Martin Luther King now, I guess. But I thought it's a, it'd be a good idea to drive over all the cones and just like, just like running over all of them as I was leaving. Apparently a cop thought that wasn't a good idea. So he jumped down in front of my car, stopped me, said, pull over onto the sidewalk on, when everybody's leaving Otzen. And then he said, I think it was something like, recite the alphabets or count backwards or some fucking thing.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  I need you to recite the alphabet from Z to A backwards as fast as you can.

• 1:03:51Speaker 04

  From Z to A?

• 1:03:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:53Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 1:03:56Speaker 04

  Z. Y. X W V U T S R Q P O N M L K J I H G F E D C B A.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  Remarkable. I've actually never seen anybody do that.

• 1:04:14Cameron Hanes?

  Those seem like very hard questions.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  Those were the hardest questions.

• 1:04:18Cameron Hanes?

  So.

• 1:04:19Speaker 01

  Please touch your tip of your finger to your nose.

• 1:04:22Cameron Hanes?

  So those questions at that time were very hard for me, but somehow, I remember the task was you stand and you hold your like one leg up, six inches above the ground, nailed it. He's like, have you been drinking? I go, all day. And he's like, so I did that, somehow passed, somehow did all the shit, somehow I got out of there without a DUI. But if I'm thinking of hard questions, I remember like a lot of people looking at me doing this while I was leaving and everybody in this town kind of knew my truck and knew whatever, wasn't, wasn't the greatest.

• 1:05:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, that.

• 1:05:08Cameron Hanes?

  Experience.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Those would be hard questions.

• 1:05:10Cameron Hanes?

  But I did not get a DUI. I don't know how.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Cause you weren't drunk.

• 1:05:14Cameron Hanes?

  Right, right. But anyway.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  So, well, that makes sense.

• 1:05:18Cameron Hanes?

  A little trip down memory lane.

• 1:05:20Speaker 01

  Little nostalgia.

• 1:05:21Cameron Hanes?

  So that's why I don't drink anymore.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:05:24Cameron Hanes?

  Cause of shit like that.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Hardest question I've been asked.

• 1:05:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. What is yours?

• 1:05:32Speaker 01

  Uh, probably when my uncle asked me if he can go again.

• 1:05:39Cameron Hanes?

  No, no, my bottom's sore. My bottom's too sore.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  But you've already done six.

• 1:05:45Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:52Speaker 01

  Uh, well, that's, uh, that's it.

• 1:05:56Cameron Hanes?

  That's it?

• 1:05:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:58Cameron Hanes?

  Good.

• 1:06:00Speaker 01

  Those are all the questions.

• 1:06:02Cameron Hanes?

  Did you have any?

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Well, I have a whole shit talkers episode.

• 1:06:06Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. So I did the, I was doing a little research, but maybe we can do it on shit talkers. Remind me, but not research. Um, it's pretty good. We get, let me think what that was.

• 1:06:22Cameron Hanes?

  Eighty thousand downloads every podcast episode total.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:29Cameron Hanes?

  So eighty thousand and, uh, YouTube, ten million. So that's two hundred thousand a week.

• 1:06:39Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Oh, total.

• 1:06:43Cameron Hanes?

  Total views for, for YouTube. So like on the slide, it was ten, ten point eight million for the year.

• 1:06:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:51Cameron Hanes?

  You divide that by fifty two, that's two hundred thousand a week.

• 1:06:55Speaker 01

  Per week, per week. Yeah.

• 1:06:56Cameron Hanes?

  So it's like, if you're, if there are two hundred thousand people are watching a YouTube video and then podcasts are separate. Cause that's, that was the eighty thousand down, that was the downloads. The views were two hundred. So there's not even any show on the outdoor channel that's got two hundred thou, like they should say, like, if you got a hundred thousand views a week, that's like bone collector. And we're at two hundred.

• 1:07:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:25Cameron Hanes?

  This fucking what I mean, an 80,000 downloads per episode and the 200 views a week?

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  And we're doing, you know, we're doing just slightly over, but pretty much an episode a week for podcasts. So really there's only room to grow.

• 1:07:40Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  You know what I mean?

• 1:07:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:42Cameron Hanes?

  But it's like that. I thought 200,000 a week is good.

• 1:07:46Speaker 01

  Good.

• 1:07:47Cameron Hanes?

  That's a lot of attention.

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a ton.

• 1:07:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I was, I wish I would have broke that down. So I just want to talk about it.

• 1:07:56Cameron Hanes?

  Cause I think when, cause people see 10 million and I didn't really think about, okay, what is that per week? You know what I mean?

• 1:08:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, right.

• 1:08:03Cameron Hanes?

  But when you think about it, like a show will be like,

• 1:08:08Cameron Hanes?

  you know, if they even look at how many people watch the news or whatever. Hardly, we're, we're like, we're better than any show on Outdoor Channel ever.

• 1:08:18Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:08:19Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah.

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  That's

• 1:08:23Speaker 01

  28,500 every day.

• 1:08:26Cameron Hanes?

  For 10 million?

• 1:08:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:29Speaker 01

  It's pretty good.

• 1:08:30Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:08:32Cameron Hanes?

  So yeah, I was, I was pretty impressed with those numbers when I just broke that down like that. Cause I was wondering what our downloads were. Cause if you only look at one platform, like it'll, it might just be like Spotify 20 some thousand. But I'm like, no, I want to, cause there's different platforms. I want to know what all of a, you know, I don't want the, the YouTube views for podcasts aren't films. So I want those under podcasts. And so that's what I had her, had them do. And like when, when it's just a podcast, 80,000 per episode is good.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  That's really good.

• 1:09:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:05Speaker 01

  On average.

• 1:09:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I wish I would have broke that down on that slide and said, because, you know, how she had it at first with her sponsors are, are seeing like the most popular, whatever was terrible. I'm like, yeah, but podcasts on YouTube don't mean anything.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:23Cameron Hanes?

  So I was kind of distracted by, I wanted that number big, but I wish I would have broke it down per week.

• 1:09:30Speaker 01

  And 10 million is kind of almost too big to like comprehend it or put it into. Terms with your brain, but 200,000 is a lot of

• 1:09:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:39Speaker 01

  Every week.

• 1:09:39Cameron Hanes?

  200,000 a week.

• 1:09:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's good.

• 1:09:41Cameron Hanes?

  That's a lot of people paying attention to what we're doing.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  A ton of people.

• 1:09:44Cameron Hanes?

  So it's, uh, to me that gives value when the sponsors see that like they, they know, we don't have to break it down for them.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:53Cameron Hanes?

  Cause they know like, so wait, we got 10 million people paying attention to what this head does on his films and then 80,000 listening every week. You know, attention is currency.

• 1:10:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:05Cameron Hanes?

  That's a lot of attention.

• 1:10:06Speaker 01

  That's a, yeah, that's a shit.

• 1:10:07Cameron Hanes?

  So between the podcast and the films, we're at, you know, 15 million a year. No magazine is getting that. No other platform is getting that. It's just like, yeah, so it's a, I'm glad we got, she did a good job of, I don't know. I assume she totaled it all up. Maybe Rihanna helped it, but helped, but those slides, especially that one that showed how much we gave back to 100,000.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, we were looking at that and I was like, I feel like we should add Travis Barker and Kourtney Kardashian.

• 1:10:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, that was good.

• 1:10:43Speaker 01

  Can't forget about those people.

• 1:10:45Cameron Hanes?

  Did we have Deegan in there?

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:46Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, good.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:10:47Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, cause those, those are, nobody's doing that shit.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:10:51Cameron Hanes?

  Just us.

• 1:10:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:10:53Cameron Hanes?

  And then we get

• 1:10:54Speaker 01

  Nobody.

• 1:10:54Cameron Hanes?

  No, and it's like, if you look at, so what, what I wanted to make it for the sponsors was like, okay, so nobody can touch this on view, on films, really. May, may probably media, but, uh, films, podcast, but books, merch, celebrity photo, you know, all your photos you've got. So that's all, that's all valuable content.

• 1:11:18Speaker 01

  I don't even know how you could total that all up.

• 1:11:19Cameron Hanes?

  No, so, but you can't, but like when you, when you have this valuable, so I always think about it like this, when you have this valuable content, like your images or your video, and then they want to share that. So that adds value to it. But all this stuff, like views, books, podcasts, messaging, influence, merch, images.

• 1:11:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:43Cameron Hanes?

  Nobody. Did we blow everybody away?

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:46Cameron Hanes?

  Everyone. And it all, it all at compounds.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  And you want to look at media, it's like, well, they also have a huge team.

• 1:11:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, we got five, a handful of people.

• 1:11:56Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:11:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they, they should be way more than us. And they got way more overhead.

• 1:12:02Speaker 01

  Your stuff is good. You know, I have a buddy that works there, but it's not super compelling.

• 1:12:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:09Speaker 01

  You know what I mean? Like, or it's not different. Like there's.

• 1:12:11Cameron Hanes?

  No, it's old school. It's like old outdoor channel.

• 1:12:14Speaker 01

  And then a lot of the stuff is pretty similar. So it's like, if you've seen one, you've seen them all kind of thing.

• 1:12:19Cameron Hanes?

  It's all we're, we're like, I feel like I've tried to be on the cutting edge of all this, you know? Even like with the ultra running exploding, bow hunting exploding, we've always been like pushing that.

• 1:12:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:32Cameron Hanes?

  And Meteor, they're the more old school, outdoor channel crowd, kind of transferred over from outdoor channels, kind of dying. So they got those old kind of, but we got all the new people.

• 1:12:45Speaker 01

  Yep. Yeah. I was trying to think, it was like, you know, what's, what's going to be our next big film?

• 1:12:52Speaker 01

  Gotta be something good.

• 1:12:55Cameron Hanes?

  Well, a lot of people, like I put up that, that post today about the mountains, something like, uh, never, never for me to reasonable person on the top of a mountain. I've got a lot of messages because people see, those are like the biggest names.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:11Cameron Hanes?

  And they're, so I've got a lot of like big names that'd be like, how can I come and train? I want to do that.

• 1:13:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:18Cameron Hanes?

  So I think, and with Joey Roll, um, yeah, talking so much about it, it's, yeah. Stay tuned. We've got shit talkers coming up next. It's all love, baby.