#2327 - AJ Gentile

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:14Joe Rogan?

  We doing this?

• 0:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 0:16Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad you brought it. Eckel fish.

• 0:19Speaker 03

  You did not have to do that. I appreciate it.

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  I fucking love your channel, dude. I've spent countless hours watching your hilarious videos.

• 0:28Speaker 03

  So cool that you've even found it.

• 0:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know, Gino told me about it a long, your brother Gino, who I've been friends with for years, told me about it a long time ago, that you guys were doing this. And I was like, really? All right. Interesting. And then I watched him, like, this is fucking great. It's right up my alley.

• 0:45Speaker 03

  You would show clips all the time, and it would drive Gino nuts. And then finally, it got named Reggie Watts Was Here. And he's like, you ever hear of the Y Files? You guys are talking about moon landing shit. And you're like, what's that? And, uh, I don't know. A week or two later, Gino gets a text. Are you the Y Files?

• 1:03Joe Rogan?

  He didn't tell me the name of it.

• 1:04Speaker 03

  He was so excited.

• 1:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's a great show, dude. It's like everything I'm fascinated by. Anunnaki, aliens, secret bases. How did you get involved with making a show like this? Is this something you've always been interested in?

• 1:20Speaker 03

  Always, I mean, like, grew up Art Bell.

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Dad. There he is.

• 1:24Speaker 03

  There he is. I mean, the goat. The goat.

• 1:28Speaker 03

  Dad was an overnight cop, so always overnight radio. And so it was always Dr. Demento.

• 1:33Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:34Speaker 03

  You remember him? And Art Bell. So I kind of grew up with the weird stories. And it just got in the Twilight Zone. We watched as kids. It was like required watching from Dad. The old black and whites, the classics. So that was always in there. So, um, I'll skip 20 years. We had a podcasting studio in LA on Sunset. We were doing pretty well. Hosting a lot of shows, guys you knew, like, when COVID hit, Kill Tony came and worked out of our studio, Jeremiah Metzger, all the guys. Didn't make any money, but it was a cool setup. But then they locked down the city, impossibly. And we didn't really know what to do. Then they set fire to the city somehow. And the wife and I are racing down Hollywood Boulevard, being chased by people with bats.

• 2:18Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:19Speaker 03

  And boxes of Adidas. And we were like, this is, this is too much. And we just started packing. That's it. We got out. And I didn't know what to do. So I'd been working in showbiz, not super successfully, like on the cusp. But I'd been a professional host, editor, producer, writer for TV. So I was like, YouTube. Easy. I'm a natural. So I started the channel, talking about science and weird stuff. And it was the hardest thing I ever did. It was, it was like impossible to do. And I started out, like, following all the consultants. High energy, smash the like, be a YouTuber. Top 10 list. And I did that for a little while. It's like, ah, no one's watching. This feels stupid.

• 3:01Speaker 03

  And then I just, I said, fuck it. Let me just talk about the shit I want to talk about. So I think the first, like, good one was Operation High Jump. You know, Admiral Byrd goes down Antarctica with an armed fleet, supposedly looking for Nazi UFOs. And it's a six-month mission. And in like a few days, they have to turn back. And it's crazy stuff. So I did that story and it got a, you know, I think I got 50,000 views.

• 3:26Joe Rogan?

  I don't think I saw that one.

• 3:28Speaker 03

  It's an old one.

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  What happened in Operation High Jump?

• 3:31Speaker 03

  All right. Admiral Byrd goes down. This is just after the war. Remember, the Nazis were fleeing to South America. So mostly Argentina. So the Nazis had established, or tried to establish, a base in Antarctica. That's true. It's New Schwabenland. Now, people say they were trying to build a Nazi base and all that stuff. They were really just looking for a whaling station to get oil. So Hitler didn't want to rely on outside sources. So anyway, after the war, they go down there. We still don't really know specifically why. It was supposed to be just to see how our aircraft would operate in cold weather. That was what they said. But this was a fleet that was armed to the teeth. Like, super, like armed.

• 4:12Speaker 03

  The first helicopters were the destroyers. So they go down there. It's supposed to be a multi-month mission, maybe six months. They get down there and in like, a matter of weeks, maybe even fewer, they just, they just bail. And no one really knows why. There's a press contingent there. No one knows what's going on. And Admiral Byrd starts giving these weird interviews. And the first one was in Spanish. It might have been the either Argentinean or Brazilian newspaper. And he talks about how there could be these craft that attack the United States from the poles and craft that can fly pole to pole. And people were like, what is, what's that? And just sparked this crazy stuff. And you can hear him talking about these things.

• 4:57Speaker 03

  So Hijjup goes down there to look for stuff. We don't really know why they left.

• 5:02Joe Rogan?

  Admiral Byrd was talking about these crafts?

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Admiral Richard E. Byrd, this famous guy, flew the North Pole like a super badass. He was on paper, the commanding officer, but he preferred to just fly his plane and do stuff. So the legend is, they get down there, Admiral Byrd takes his plane, starts flying across Antarctica and sees patches of green. He doesn't, can't believe it. And he's, and he's on the radio saying, I'm seeing this, rolling hills, sun is shining. He just keeps flying. It gets greener and greener and then, phew. He's like, I just saw woolly mammoths. Woolly mammoths grazing in the green. And he keeps going and he's on the radio and then he's talking, I'm seeing all this stuff. The sun is bright and then radio contact goes out. He's flying and flying.

• 5:48Speaker 03

  Suddenly, he's engulfed in light and he doesn't know where he is. The green is behind him. He's just flying in light, just trying to get his bearings. And then up beside him, two flying saucers, just kind of next to him. Almost like, you know, the F-16s trying to wave. He's got two flying saucers. And he looks over and they have swastikas on him. And he's like, uh-oh. So he's on the stick and he feels the stick shaking and then, the stick just goes dead. And then he goes down with the UFOs. And they just land into a cavern in the hollow earth. Right? So that's how that happens. And they take Admiral Byrd out and they're tall aliens.

• 6:27Joe Rogan?

  With swastikas on their crafts?

• 6:31Speaker 03

  On the crafts.

• 6:33Joe Rogan?

  Like the ancient symbol.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  I don't know. Which would be reversed, right?

• 6:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think there was a bunch of different versions. I think the Nazi one, it was like kind of tilted.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 6:44Joe Rogan?

  But there was a bunch of the Hindu ones and a lot of the Japanese ones.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  For thousands of years.

• 6:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 6:49Speaker 03

  A positive symbol of life and prosperity.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  We don't know how they were oriented because I debunked all this. I'm telling you the legend.

• 6:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Because that's kind of my format, right?

• 6:59Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  I get you excited.

• 7:00Joe Rogan?

  We should explain that to people. You get everybody all jazzed up and then at the end, you kind of...

• 7:05Speaker 03

  I get so much heat for it.

• 7:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's fun.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  Um, and I watch the numbers. Like, as soon as I say, "But is it true?", phew, like, everyone's done.

• 7:13Joe Rogan?

  Nobody wants to know the truth.

• 7:14Speaker 03

  No, nobody wants to know.

• 7:15Joe Rogan?

  They want to know fun.

• 7:16Speaker 03

  And then I'll get the hate mail. "You ruined it for me."

• 7:19Joe Rogan?

  So what is the truth?

• 7:20Speaker 03

  The truth is, a lot of that comes from Admiral Byrd's diary, which was discovered years later, which was not his diary.

• 7:26Joe Rogan?

  Ahhh.

• 7:28Speaker 03

  Right.

• 7:29Joe Rogan?

  Horse shit.

• 7:30Speaker 03

  Horse shit. And he flew the North Pole, not the South Pole. But here's the interesting thing. He was in a single man aircraft that only had so much fuel. He was, which can only fly for a little bit. He was out of radio contact for three hours. Nobody knows where he went.

• 7:47Joe Rogan?

  What was his take on it?

• 7:49Speaker 03

  It, we don't really know. That's kind of...

• 7:51Joe Rogan?

  So it's just he went radio silent for three hours? Then the legend grew?

• 7:55Speaker 03

  It's like, he did that interview as soon as they got back, and then something must have happened because he got real quiet. But he would go on TV and he would talk. But the pole-to-pole thing was, he was just warning that the poles are a vulnerable space. Like, we need to keep an eye on the North Pole because if there's a base on North or South Pole, you can attack from there. So let's keep an eye on them, was kind of his point.

• 8:16Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. The Antarctica situation is very strange because I don't know if you ever saw the Sean Ryan Show, where he talked to this guy that worked with a neutrino detector down there? And he was, yeah, have you seen that?

• 8:30Speaker 03

  I haven't seen Sean do it, but I know the guy.

• 8:32Joe Rogan?

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• 11:20Speaker 03

  This is like the DEWs. The US has always been fascinated with the-

• 11:26Joe Rogan?

  Direct energy weapons.

• 11:26Speaker 03

  Right. That's where the like the HARP conspiracies come from and all of that. And if you don't know what HARP is, that's the High Altitude Rural Research Project. It's just this array of antennas in Alaska that's built by the US government to study the ionosphere, but for some reason it costs hundreds of millions of dollars. And when you look at it, you're like, where'd the money go? It's like a building's a box and it's a bunch of antennas. Where I'm getting at is, this is an array that can ionize parts of the atmosphere. So I did an episode on Project Blue Beam, which is a conspiracy about how the United

• 12:06Speaker 03

  Nations or the shadow government will create these holograms in the sky, and that will force a one world government. We can get into it if you want to.

• 12:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 12:16Speaker 03

  But I kind of debunk it saying holograms need a substrate. You know, you need...

• 12:21Joe Rogan?

  Clouds.

• 12:22Speaker 03

  Glass is really what you need. But then the technology has gotten to the point where you can ionize atmosphere and create things in the atmosphere. So something like HARP conceivably could create something up there.

• 12:40Joe Rogan?

  Something visual.

• 12:41Speaker 03

  Something visual. And I've heard people say that the UAPs, UFOs, may not be real, they could just be holograms for some reason.

• 12:50Joe Rogan?

  I heard that too. Yeah. Or a combination of many different things.

• 12:54Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 12:55Joe Rogan?

  There's probably a lot of different factors that people are seeing. You know, I was watching a video the other day, I'm not sure if it's real, but I put it on my Instagram anyway, on my story, because it was just fun, of ball lightning, which is real, but this ball lightning was moving around a parking lot and it was extraordinary. This one.

• 13:12Speaker 04

  This is the...

• 13:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yes.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  The plasma lasers that the Navy apparently has the ability to make some stuff like this. 3D images in the air.

• 13:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  They can also make them make sounds somehow, too, which is interesting.

• 13:23Speaker 03

  Well, because you're just vibrating air molecules. So in Project Blue Beam, the energy comes from a satellite array. So can satellites do that yet? If it can, they won't tell us.

• 13:34Joe Rogan?

  But that could be a way where you could throw off the enemy or freak people out and pretend that there's some sort of an alien invasion, it's really just a hologram.

• 13:45Speaker 03

  Really just a hologram. And that's, you know, that's, Blue Beam is supposed to... Get rid of religion because what will happen, according to the legend, is the holograms will manifest as whatever deity is dominant in the area, whether it's Jesus, Buddha, whomever. And atheists will see different things. And people will just freak out. Nationalism will go away.

• 14:08Joe Rogan?

  Atheists will see different things. Like, why?

• 14:11Speaker 03

  Because, according to the legend, the array, or with the technology, will manipulate your mind. Again, Harp has been accused of this, because you can manipulate someone's mind with electromagnetic frequencies, at the right frequencies. So they could just tell you to see something.

• 14:27Joe Rogan?

  So, like, that specific?

• 14:29Speaker 03

  That specific.

• 14:30Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Now, I debunk a lot of it, because the story originally came from a Canadian journalist named Serge Manass, fascinating figure. He comes out with this theory that's bonkers, and then the Canadian government takes his kids away, because they're homeschooled. He gets harassed by authorities. He gets hauled off to jail for spreading disinformation, dies of a heart attack the next day. So then, of course, that's just like, that lights the fuse.

• 14:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 14:58Speaker 03

  And I was like, what did he find? And he talked very publicly about all of this. So that's supposedly how it happens, is they manipulate our minds, they show us what we want to see, and then it's not like, we won't resist authority, we'll beg for it. We'll just beg to take our freedom, take our rights, keep us safe.

• 15:17Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. Because something huge is happening, and we need to consolidate.

• 15:22Speaker 03

  I feel like that's what would happen.

• 15:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm sure you've seen the how put off thing. Did you see when how put off, how put off, George Bush, during his presidency, they floated the idea of disclosure? Did you ever see this?

• 15:37Speaker 03

  I didn't see it, but I know how it's worked very well.

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  So what how, what how said was? He and several other scientists were brought aboard and they were given a task of writing pros and cons to disclosure. What are the things that are going to be disrupted and what are the things that's going to benefit the society and attach a numerical value to each thing. And all the scientists at the end of the day showed that the numerical value for con was far higher. Like it was going to cause much more disruption than it would be beneficial and so they decided not to disclose. But what they were telling Hal was this was what you were planning for was retrieved crafts not of this world and biological entities that the United States government is in possession of.

• 16:23Joe Rogan?

  Should we disclose this?

• 16:24Speaker 03

  Right. I think I've definitely heard that. I don't know if is that connected to the Brookings report if I'm getting that correct?

• 16:30Joe Rogan?

  Which one's that?

• 16:31Speaker 03

  I forget when it would even come out. Here's all the CYAs. I'm an expert on nothing. I don't know anything. I tell stories.

• 16:39Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 16:40Speaker 03

  Okay? How can you talk about planet Sapo if you've never been? Look, I've just, I just like this. I just all due respect.

• 16:49Joe Rogan?

  That's gonna go on forever.

• 16:51Speaker 03

  Forever.

• 16:52Joe Rogan?

  You've never been.

• 16:53Speaker 03

  Never been. I hope he's okay. Douglas Murray's a lot of fun.

• 16:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's great.

• 16:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, so I'm not an expert at anything. So I don't know when Brookings was, but it was the same thing. It was a recommendation from the government that, look.

• 17:06Speaker 04

  It was in 1960.

• 17:07Speaker 03

  1960.

• 17:07Joe Rogan?

  Ah, same thing?

• 17:08Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know, but the exact same thing, but.

• 17:10Joe Rogan?

  Same kind of thing?

• 17:11Speaker 04

  Proposed studies of the implications of peaceful space activities for human affairs commissioned by NASA and created by the Brookings Institute. Collaboration, long-range study.

• 17:21Speaker 03

  Same result. Don't do it.

• 17:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I think they're probably right, but also I want to know.

• 17:27Speaker 03

  Well, that's, that's put, puts us in a pickle, I think, is.

• 17:33Speaker 03

  Let's say it's real. I want to know too. But I don't want the Chinese to know. And I don't want, I definitely don't want Iran to know. So I understand.

• 17:43Joe Rogan?

  Why do you not want them to know? Maybe we could all get along. If we realize that there's actual aliens that are visiting us. I mean, wasn't that the Ronald Reagan speech in front of the UN? You've seen that, right?

• 17:52Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 17:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the famous speech.

• 17:55Speaker 03

  But wasn't the SDI part of that speech? Is we'll all get along, but we're going to have laser weapons in space, just in case we don't. Wasn't that that same, it might not have been, but it was about that same time. And that was all smoke and mirrors.

• 18:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, the Star Wars thing was fake, right?

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Couldn't get it to work.

• 18:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  It was all fake. So maybe we'll all get along. Boy, that sounds nice. But you know, Iran produces brilliant people, so intelligent, great engineers, doctors, all of that. But the government is bananas.

• 18:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 18:25Speaker 03

  So, I mean, you don't want to have brilliant scientists working like that.

• 18:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 18:29Speaker 03

  We had brilliant scientists working for dictators in the past, and it was not awesome.

• 18:33Joe Rogan?

  Right. Like the Nazis.

• 18:35Speaker 03

  That's who I mean.

• 18:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  That's who I mean. So...

• 18:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's really sketchy if they get the technology.

• 18:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 18:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is what Hal Puthoff said. He said that the government of the United States has at least 10 of these things. And I said, well, other governments have them? And he said, yes. And I said, well, do they have similar numbers? He's like, we believe so. So they don't know. So essentially, what he was kind of alluding to is that there's basically like a kind of Manhattan Project to try to back engineer these things. And whoever figures it out first is going to have a massive advantage.

• 19:10Speaker 03

  Right.

• 19:12Joe Rogan?

  And it would be nice if it was us.

• 19:13Speaker 03

  It would be nice. Hal Puthoff has been connected to a lot of disinformation campaigns.

• 19:20Speaker 03

  I love the guy and his work, but he has been connected to disinformation campaigns with known disinformation.

• 19:25Joe Rogan?

  Think about what, what subjects.

• 19:28Speaker 03

  About disclosure. Like, you heard the name Richard Doty?

• 19:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 19:30Speaker 03

  Okay, so, I mean...

• 19:32Joe Rogan?

  Want some coffee?

• 19:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, let's have some coffee. I'm off booze right now.

• 19:38Joe Rogan?

  Forever?

• 19:39Speaker 03

  No, not for- cheers, I just needed a break. It was becoming a little bit.

• 19:43Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 19:44Speaker 03

  Like a habit. You too?

• 19:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've been off for two and a half months. Maybe even a little more now. Yeah, I, I just, I just decided one day, I'm done. And then I feel great.

• 19:56Speaker 03

  Feel better?

• 19:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 19:57Speaker 03

  Think clearer, wake up feeling better.

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  I have a nightclub, so I'm, I'm at my nightclub, my comedy club, all the time. And, you know, everybody's buying shots and you want a beer, you want this, that. After a while, you're like, god, I feel like shit.

• 20:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, you do.

• 20:10Joe Rogan?

  You know, but I'm at, it's like, the illusion is that you won't have fun. I'm having the same amount of fun. It's so much fun.

• 20:16Speaker 03

  Of course, and cause I, I get, I get, I'm funnier because I know what I'm talking about.

• 20:21Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 20:21Speaker 03

  And I'm not embarrassed the next day.

• 20:23Joe Rogan?

  You just, it just doesn't kill your inhibitions, but that's, it's overrated.

• 20:27Speaker 03

  It is.

• 20:28Joe Rogan?

  It's fun. I've had a good time, boozing, but yeah, enough.

• 20:33Speaker 03

  I'm allowed to go back at the first of the month.

• 20:35Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  I just needed, you need to quit vices once in a while, if anything, just to prove that you can.

• 20:42Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Yeah, it's a good thing, just to prove that's not, doesn't have the hooks in you.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  Right. I can quit whenever I want, it's.

• 20:49Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  But can you?

• 20:50Joe Rogan?

  I've taken a few days off of social media and I always feel better, but I always go right back in.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't know why I hardly ever look at it.

• 20:57Joe Rogan?

  It's just a massive distraction. Like, I don't read anything about myself, but I'm always, but more so, I'm always looking at, but I find a lot of interesting things too, especially on Instagram. But more so now than ever, my screen time on my phone is dedicated to YouTube. It's like, when I come home, especially at the end of the night, come back from the club, I'm tired, I want nonsense. I want Bigfoot.

• 21:22Speaker 03

  Same. I don't want to think too hard.

• 21:26Joe Rogan?

  I want, you know, I want, you know, Bob Lazar, I want Bigfoot.

• 21:31Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 21:32Joe Rogan?

  I want, you know, ancient civilizations, it's just me and the dog watching TV.

• 21:36Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 21:37Joe Rogan?

  You know, everyone's asleep. That's, that's my favorite.

• 21:40Speaker 03

  Cause no booze for me doesn't mean no gummies. So, so a half a gummy and a Bigfoot episode, I'm having a great time.

• 21:47Joe Rogan?

  That's the one that I wish was real, but I'm 99% sure it's horseshit.

• 21:51Speaker 03

  Same.

• 21:52Joe Rogan?

  But I also wonder, I wonder like.

• 21:57Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if, under certain conditions, it's real. Like, this is my thought. This is gonna sound squirrely. I think, under heightened states of anxiety and fear, when you're alone in the woods, maybe it's possible that the barrier between dimensions is slippery, and you can see things that you would ordinarily never see. Like, it might not even be as simple as this is a biological creature that lives here on Earth with us, but no one's ever found a body. It might be weirder than that. It might be, these are some sort of hominid from somewhere else that can appear. This episode is brought to you by Squarespace.

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• 23:19Speaker 03

  Native American legends say exactly that. That it's this creature that lives between worlds. And the same with giants as well. They have the legends of the red-haired giants that were chased west.

• 23:28Joe Rogan?

  I'm glad we're getting to that.

• 23:30Speaker 03

  Getting to giants.

• 23:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because the giant thing is weird. When you go into the story, and I watched your episode on giants, I loved it.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  Uh, maybe it was the Malta.

• 23:37Joe Rogan?

  The Smithsonian?

• 23:38Speaker 03

  Oh, that was, yeah, that was GE Kincaid in the Smithsonian cover up.

• 23:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 23:42Speaker 03

  The Grand Canyon, that's a good story.

• 23:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, the whole Grand Canyon thing is bananas. Like, there's areas of the Grand Canyon you cannot explore.

• 23:49Speaker 03

  You cannot go, you cannot fly over.

• 23:52Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 23:53Speaker 03

  Um, and you can't fly under the rim. Yet, when you go to those bad places, suddenly, a white plane flies over, under the rim, black helicopters show up. I showed it on my episode. I showed the black helicopters showing up. Like, they do show.

• 24:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Like, they are protecting something.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  Something.

• 24:10Joe Rogan?

  It's not as simple as this is a dangerous area, because you can go to any dangerous area.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  You go to just to the normal tourist area. It's like, be careful. People fall, two people a year fall.

• 24:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, someone fell recently.

• 24:22Speaker 03

  Did it?

• 24:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, an influencer. Of course, taking a selfie.

• 24:27Joe Rogan?

  But the Grand Canyon, there's been these crazy stories of people finding these like Egyptian, these caverns with like Egyptian artwork and hieroglyphics and these stories of artifacts that have been removed from there.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  So the story is, it shows up, I believe in like the Phoenix Gazette, it's 1903 or so, and the explorer is G. E. Kincaid, and he's going down, he's looking for gold deposits or whatever. This is just before Teddy Roosevelt made the Grand Canyon a preserve, he was a naturalist. So he finds these steps that are clearly man-made, he follows the steps up and there's a cave, and he goes in there, and he describes hieroglyphics that look Egyptian but are not quite. He finds a statue that he describes as like Buddha-like, not Egyptian, not human, but sort of like Buddha, and all these weapons, shields, gold, all sorts of stuff. He keeps going, he finds a deserted city in the caves, and all these tunnels and caverns

• 25:29Speaker 03

  go everywhere, and he's trying to map everything. He comes out, and he goes back to town, and he gathers together a group that we're gonna go, we're gonna go find the stuff again. And people are excited about it. And a couple of weeks go by, and everyone's gathered to go on the expedition, he never shows, the expedition goes nowhere, and that's really the last we've heard of it.

• 25:49Joe Rogan?

  Really? And is there any photographs or anything?

• 25:52Speaker 03

  There never is of this stuff.

• 25:54Joe Rogan?

  Right, just descriptions?

• 25:56Speaker 03

  Just a great story.

• 25:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, the great part of the story is the fact that you actually can't go there. And just the idea that there's an area where the military is protecting people from being foolish, that doesn't make any sense.

• 26:09Speaker 03

  Nobody asks why.

• 26:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  Nobody asks why. It really bothers me about that story and all of these, whether it's disclosure, whatever. I don't hear anyone asking why, well, they won't let us. Well, who's "they"? Someone's in charge of stuff that's not the president.

• 26:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:25Speaker 03

  Or Congress. So who is it? So, you know.

• 26:30Joe Rogan?

  Is it possible there's some sort of a government installation down there somewhere?

• 26:34Speaker 03

  You know, it's all gonna be woo-woo conspiracy stuff, or it's real. Or G.E. Kincaid found something, and someone got to him.

• 26:43Joe Rogan?

  But if G.E. Kincaid found something, why would they wanna hide some ancient civilization discovery, particularly in the early 1900s? Like, why? For what reason?

• 26:54Speaker 03

  I don't know why Graham Hancock is marginalized now.

• 26:58Joe Rogan?

  Right, but that, wouldn't you think that there's like, less of a grip on that stuff in the 1900s, early 1900s?

• 27:04Speaker 03

  I would think so. So my guess would be treasure and money. That would be my guess. Is, it shows up in the paper, the government goes down there, like, "There's a lot of stuff down here, let's grab it, send it to the Smithsonian, who keeps 99% of the stuff under wraps." They have, you know, a billion items that nobody can see. And then that's the end of it.

• 27:24Joe Rogan?

  But what the fuck? Which, I would love to know the official reason. See if you can Google. Is there an official reason why you're not allowed to go to certain areas of the Grand Canyon?

• 27:35Speaker 03

  They use a VPN there, brother.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  The story, I was looking at an article about the original article, and it says that the two guys mentioned might not have even existed.

• 27:45Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:46Speaker 04

  There's no evidence of them.

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  G.E. Kincaid?

• 27:49Speaker 04

  And another guy named S.A. Jordan.

• 27:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, so it might be just a story that someone printed? Some horseshit?

• 27:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, when I was looking into one of these things before, I found something explaining that back in the, like, early 1900s, when newspapers were a really popular thing to read, I don't know if it was like, a game, or if there was actual prizes people would play, or like, amongst themselves, to try to get fake stories printed. If you could get the craziest story printed, you'd win like, 500 bucks, or...

• 28:14Speaker 03

  I might be wrong, but I think Jordan was connected to the Smithsonian. At least, according to the story.

• 28:20Speaker 04

  I pulled this from the Smithsonian debunk, which, I mean, obviously, they would if this is the way we're gonna go with it, but them debunking this, and they gave two links, one to the original 1909 article, and one to a 2008 update, and that's where I was pulling that from.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  I don't trust the Smithsonian. They're exempt from all kinds of stuff.

• 28:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 28:38Speaker 03

  Well, like, there's a law passed not too long ago, that if you have Native American artifacts that are important to that culture, especially burial artifacts, they must be returned. Unless you're the Smithsonian.

• 28:48Joe Rogan?

  They're allowed to hold on them?

• 28:49Speaker 03

  Then you can make, you can make a case that you don't have to give it back.

• 28:51Joe Rogan?

  How do they have so much power?

• 28:53Speaker 03

  I, they're, it's a government agency.

• 28:55Joe Rogan?

  Smithsonian is a government, oh, I didn't even know, I thought it was a private agency. So, there's no official story as to why this area of the Grand Canyon is off limits.

• 29:05Speaker 03

  For your safety. Forbidden zone, they call it. Yeah, it's all I can find.

• 29:08Joe Rogan?

  That's fucking weird. That's fucking weird. That this story comes from the very area that's forbidden. That's fucking weird.

• 29:17Speaker 03

  I think.

• 29:17Joe Rogan?

  What are the odds?

• 29:19Speaker 03

  I don't believe in coincidences, so. There are a lot of these stories come from places you just can't go.

• 29:26Joe Rogan?

  Is anybody trying to hike in?

• 29:27Speaker 03

  All the time.

• 29:28Joe Rogan?

  Wear camo?

• 29:29Speaker 03

  Raft in.

• 29:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, did they get busted?

• 29:31Speaker 03

  And busted, yeah, and arrested.

• 29:33Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 29:33Speaker 03

  Hmm. You could find, you could find online, I wish I knew the names, um, of a team that, that went up there. That's who found the black helicopters and, uh, I used them in, in the video. And, uh, and I credit them, so you can find their videos. They were up, they're up there for an hour, hour and a half, uh, trying to, trying to find stuff. And what they found up in that forbidden zone is anchored into the ground, a giant hook.

• 29:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  Or like a loop.

• 29:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Like, what would you use that for? And that would be to rappel down. That's the only reason that it would be there. There's no explanation for what is this? They also found artifacts from that era, from the early 1900s, artifacts that people were there. So, it's possible that they rappelled that, like, they might have been standing right above that entrance. And there are reverse angles of that rock face that look a little weird. It could be pareidolia, but it.

• 30:24Joe Rogan?

  What's pareidolia?

• 30:25Speaker 03

  Pareidolia is the, is the mind's ability to see objects in random noise. You know, it's something we evolved to, you know, to see predators in the forest. That's why if you see a cloud that looks like a Abraham Lincoln.

• 30:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 30:39Speaker 03

  It's not Abraham Lincoln, you know, it's, it's pareidolia. But debunkers will always fall on paradolia. So like the real believers, they hate that word.

• 30:49Joe Rogan?

  God, that would be, imagine. Everything would have to be rewritten. If they found some evidence of a lost civilization with no connection to any known civilization, that was advanced, that was living in the Grand Canyon.

• 31:05Speaker 03

  Did you ever think about going?

• 31:07Joe Rogan?

  To the Grand Canyon?

• 31:08Speaker 03

  To go and just be an outlaw and go see.

• 31:12Joe Rogan?

  How would you get in though? I mean, if they have black helicopters and they're scanning the sky, or scanning the ground with some sort of a drone or a plane.

• 31:24Speaker 03

  We go in, we live-

• 31:25Joe Rogan?

  Are you planning something?

• 31:26Speaker 03

  No, no, no, hold on, no.

• 31:28Joe Rogan?

  What should we do?

• 31:28Speaker 03

  I don't have-

• 31:29Joe Rogan?

  I'm in.

• 31:29Speaker 03

  I don't have a contract, alright? So, this is da- This is already dangerous for me sitting here. But I got your back.

• 31:37Joe Rogan?

  If I go?

• 31:38Speaker 03

  Yeah. Because even if they drag you out,

• 31:43Speaker 03

  questions have to be posed.

• 31:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, why couldn't I go there?

• 31:46Speaker 03

  What did he do wrong? Well, he violated this area. Okay, well, how come?

• 31:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, when you think about how dangerous the Grand Canyon is overall, there's not a safe area. It's literally a canyon. You could fall at any of a million spots along the way to your death.

• 32:05Speaker 03

  Have you been there?

• 32:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 32:07Speaker 03

  Unbeliev- It's-

• 32:08Joe Rogan?

  Incredible.

• 32:09Speaker 03

  Incredible, you couldn't paint a better picture. But as you get closer to that edge, you can feel your amygdala going, "Oh, back up."

• 32:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 03

  Like, it's seriously dangerous.

• 32:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 32:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God, the problem is I want to believe. With all these things. Yeah, same. Most people enjoy your show. We want to believe, that's why it's so fun.

• 32:31Speaker 03

  And I don't believe in most of the stuff I talk about. But when I approach a story, I try to find as much evidence as I can to support it, and I also want to find the other side. So then what we're left with is- Some truth, and not all stories can be fully debunked. And I've had my mind flipped a couple of times, you know, crop circles, hollow moons, some really crazy shit have flipped me around.

• 32:55Joe Rogan?

  Crop circles is a weird one.

• 32:56Speaker 03

  So weird.

• 32:57Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird one because when I first saw them, I'm like, what is that? And then I saw that these guys were doing them with boards and string. I was like, oh, it's just people being silly. And then I watched a whole documentary about how the energy that bent these things over caused these nodes to explode as if they'd been cooked in a microwave.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 33:18Joe Rogan?

  I'm like, what? And then you find out that the actual stalks are woven together.

• 33:24Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 33:24Joe Rogan?

  It's not that they're pressed down, they're woven together. And that these are complex geometric designs that would have taken people weeks to map out. And there's no footprints leading up to it, there's no roads, no machinery, no evidence of any use of any kind of machinery, and these things appear like that. Like, people have flown over an area and then flown back an hour or two later, and there's immense football-field-size, perfect geometry that no one can explain how it was created.

• 33:59Speaker 03

  Correct. So the nodes in the stalks, a node is like a knuckle on your fingers. So these, those are there for phototropism to bend toward light. So what you're talking about is these things are bent over. They're bent over at right angles, it can only be done with high energy. But also around these crop circles, they're finding microscopic metallic spheroids in, around the circles. And that's not conspiracy theory, they're finding them. And there are these magnetic fields around the circles. And you can see videos online of people going into these crop circles and their hands start to get red. Things are happening to them. So I went into crop circles thinking it was all guys with boards.

• 34:42Speaker 03

  But then when you watch people with boards make a crop circle, it's a mess. They can't do this. And you cannot bend the nodes of reeds and weave them together in a perfect, you can't do it. So, that was, as I'm doing the research, I'm like, alright, 99% of them are fake, but there's this 1% that I cannot explain.

• 35:03Joe Rogan?

  The famous video where you see the orbs circling around the field in England, and then the crop circle slowly starts to emerge, has that been debunked?

• 35:11Speaker 03

  Semi. It's controversial, because the guy who released that video, I don't know his name offhand, allegedly went to a visual effects house.

• 35:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 35:21Speaker 03

  And released it. But, they somehow put that thing together in a matter of hours, which is suspicious. So, in my episode on it, I said, alright, here's what the skeptics say. But, you know, in the 1990s, to do that kind of VFX work, because it looks real.

• 35:37Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:38Speaker 03

  I don't know. To me, I'm on the fence about it.

• 35:41Joe Rogan?

  It's very convenient that they got the footage.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  It is.

• 35:45Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 35:46Speaker 03

  It is. Operation Blackbird was a famous operation in 1990 to try and capture the footage live, by a great researcher named Colin Andrews.

• 35:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he's the guy that does the books on crop circles, right?

• 35:58Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 35:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's all in.

• 36:00Speaker 03

  He's all in, and he got a lot of support for Blackbird, and not only did nothing happen, he was totally embarrassed by it. And it was all like streaming live, and a lot of people were involved. He's embarrassed, we find out later, that while they're like waiting for the circles to happen, just a few miles away, there's a top-secret military operation doing whatever they're doing. He doesn't know why. And then he gets a knock on the door, from someone, you know, Men in Black, whoever it is, that first offers him money to stop his work, then threatens him with whatever, threatens his family. And, he doesn't know who this guy is, they go back and look at the tapes, and he sees the guy in the background, like one of the TV crews.

• 36:42Speaker 03

  So, the theory is, some type of intelligence was embedded into Blackbird, made to discredit him. And that was kind of, that was kind of the end of Colin Andrews, because he was a legit researcher at that point. Now he's fringe, now he's pseudoscience. But, I get into that in the episode. That was something I discovered, I never knew, that there was intelligence involved. I didn't know that there was a military op, which is confirmed. It's wild.

• 37:06Joe Rogan?

  So, do you think they discredited him on purpose?

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 37:09Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. To make the crop circle thing looks foolish. But like, what is the crop circle thing, like, what is the, out of the believers? What is the best theory?

• 37:20Speaker 03

  The believers is that it's a, it's a way to message craft, or it's a landing site, or it's some type of communication.

• 37:30Joe Rogan?

  But why, why would, why would they do it in wheat fields?

• 37:32Speaker 03

  I, I don't know, it doesn't make sense to me. If you have the technology, just, you know.

• 37:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  Pick up the phone, you know, you, there's better ways than just mowing wheat down. But, I, you know, I don't understand.

• 37:45Joe Rogan?

  Do you know the one about the, the Mandelbrot set?

• 37:48Speaker 03

  I've, I've seen it.

• 37:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think that one is really weird because I think it coincides with the fractal creation of the Mandelbrot set by these people that are into this kind of geometry and fractals. They're like, someone made the Mandelbrot set, which is essentially an infinite fractal of like spectacular design.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  And this is before Lorenz and Lorenz attractor, I think it's before that, isn't it?

• 38:15Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 38:15Speaker 03

  Before it was mainstream.

• 38:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, before it was mainstream, yes. And then when this thing appears and people are like, well, what is this design? And then they connect it to this Mandelbrot set, which is, someone would have to have some very esoteric information.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  And, and it's the Mandelbrot set using Fibonacci numbers?

• 38:35Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  And, and the phi, the golden ratio?

• 38:38Joe Rogan?

  It's accurate.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  It's accurate down to inches.

• 38:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 38:41Speaker 03

  You can't do that.

• 38:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe you can, but like, how? And how long would it take? And how much planning? And how many people? And what would you use? Like, what, what is the technology they would use to bend those things over that way and weave them? It's very weird stuff.

• 38:58Speaker 03

  It's weird.

• 38:59Joe Rogan?

  Because it's, these, you know, the way these fractals work, it's, this ratio in the, in the geometry is like, they're specific sizes. This one is half the size of that one, which is half the size of that one, and it goes on and on forever. And when you see it all, see if you can find the Mandelbrot set.

• 39:18Speaker 03

  It's the, maybe the most spectacular crop circle.

• 39:21Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. It's really weird, because it's fucking enormous.

• 39:25Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 39:25Joe Rogan?

  You know? And it seems so stupid. Wow, there's a whole bunch of them. The Mandelbrot set is the one with the look like a heart.

• 39:34Joe Rogan?

  About that one right there. Yeah, that's it. That's the Mandelbrot set.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  Yep, and there's some other fractals there as well.

• 39:39Speaker 04

  I was looking at an article that says these two guys took on the challenge and did it for a TV show on the BBC.

• 39:44Speaker 03

  They did. If you watch them do it, it's clumsy AF.

• 39:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it doesn't look as good. Like, like-

• 39:51Speaker 04

  I was trying to find it.

• 39:51Joe Rogan?

  Cause I know they always say that these guys did it, but like-

• 39:55Speaker 03

  You can't really see it there, but those flattened reeds, they're woven together.

• 40:01Joe Rogan?

  Well, some of the weirder ones, go back to other crop circles, you had some other images before that. There was some other ones, that, those ones, those spirals.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 40:11Joe Rogan?

  Like that one right there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is fucking wild.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  That's wild.

• 40:15Joe Rogan?

  Like, this is multiple football fields, long and wide. So, how? Make that one a little bigger, please?

• 40:22Speaker 03

  And one of these, I don't know if it's that one in particular, showed up right next to Stonehenge. Like-

• 40:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Like a tennis ball throwaway.

• 40:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, that is crazy. To not, first of all, if you're on the ground, alright, just the measurements alone, to make each one the equal distance between circles, you know, in the whatever, six different blades that you have that stem from the center. They're all the same distance, they're all the same size.

• 40:53Speaker 03

  The small circles are the ones that are most interesting, cause how hard is that to do?

• 40:58Joe Rogan?

  Right. Right. And they're uniform. And it's like, what is that? Like, what the fuck is that? And who's, if that is a hoax, it's so bizarre that it's only these two goofballs that were making really shitty ones with boards and strings. And yet, there's hundreds, if not thousands, of these like really complex ones that exist.

• 41:23Speaker 03

  Those are the guys that are on, you can see them doing it live.

• 41:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but those guys, there's no way they had enough time to do all these things.

• 41:30Speaker 03

  And it looked terrible. Jackie, look, he's just trampling it.

• 41:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, look, you can certainly make crop circles with a string and a board. You certainly can make crop circles. But you're, and you know, it always gets connected, like believing in aliens and everything else. But it's not, no one's even saying aliens, like it could be some sort of energy from something that we possess, some, something that humans possess, that they somehow or another aim at these areas, like what is that one above it? Go, go, that one right there above, like right there, what the fuck is that thing? Look at that.

• 42:05Speaker 04

  They are in the same county, eighty percent of them come from the same county in England.

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  Which is all, also weird.

• 42:10Speaker 03

  Now, people will correct me in the comments, but I believe that middle piece of geometry is a hypercube, isn't it? Isn't that a, a four dimensional cube?

• 42:18Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 42:20Speaker 03

  A tesseract?

• 42:21Speaker 04

  It does look like it, but.

• 42:23Joe Rogan?

  Like what the fuck? How long would that take? That seems like that would take a long time to do.

• 42:29Speaker 03

  Stonehenge is under constant surveillance and, and circles show up overnight.

• 42:34Joe Rogan?

  Very weird stuff.

• 42:35Speaker 03

  There's an interesting conspiracy to.

• 42:37Joe Rogan?

  I mean, what the fuck dude?

• 42:39Speaker 03

  To crop circles that we can, we can get into later.

• 42:41Joe Rogan?

  Wiltshire has the most crop circles in England.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 42:44Joe Rogan?

  And it's mostly in England too, which is also weird.

• 42:46Speaker 03

  And it's mostly in Wiltshire.

• 42:48Joe Rogan?

  Man, like, is there some sort of a theory by the kooks?

• 42:52Speaker 03

  Ley lines.

• 42:53Joe Rogan?

  Ley lines?

• 42:54Speaker 03

  That they're happening on these, these segments of energy that intersect.

• 42:58Joe Rogan?

  What is that black and white one, Jamie? Click on that one.

• 43:01Speaker 04

  It's just a.

• 43:02Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no, the one, that one. What the fuck is that? Wow.

• 43:09Speaker 03

  Wow, on, on a mountain.

• 43:11Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 43:12Speaker 04

  That could be in sand, I think, because this is like sand dunes.

• 43:16Joe Rogan?

  Is that what that is?

• 43:16Speaker 04

  Not, circle sixteen.

• 43:17Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  I don't, I've never seen that one, it's wild.

• 43:21Joe Rogan?

  I mean, just the amount of time that it would take to do these things. So ley lines, so this is the theory?

• 43:29Speaker 03

  That's the theory, have you heard about ley lines?

• 43:31Joe Rogan?

  Kind of.

• 43:32Speaker 03

  It's this, this, um, alleged grid of energy that circles the earth. And, uh, almost like how magnetic fields work. And this, these energy lines have intersection points. And on these intersection points are things like Stonehenge, Giza.

• 43:48Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 43:49Speaker 04

  It's in snow on a mountain in France.

• 43:51Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 43:52Speaker 03

  Where are the tracks in?

• 43:54Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 43:57Speaker 03

  You know.

• 43:58Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what the fuck is that?

• 44:00Speaker 03

  So this is.

• 44:01Joe Rogan?

  No footprints, no tracks.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  Footprints right here.

• 44:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, but that could be.

• 44:04Joe Rogan?

  That could be the people that discovered it though.

• 44:06Speaker 04

  Oh, that's the guy that did it, though.

• 44:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the guy.

• 44:08Speaker 04

  It's an artist that did this.

• 44:09Joe Rogan?

  The guy actually did it.

• 44:10Speaker 04

  These aren't crop circles, this is an artist doing it.

• 44:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I see.

• 44:12Speaker 04

  That's kind of what I was trying to say.

• 44:13Joe Rogan?

  Fucking incredible. An artist did that?

• 44:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, it has the guy's name on that first picture we had here.

• 44:17Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 44:18Speaker 04

  Simon Beck.

• 44:19Speaker 03

  So the artist angle is a conspiracy angle. There's a man named John Lundberg, who was a, was part of a group called Circlemakers.org, which is a, an art project and also a sociology experiment. He would make fake crop circles to see how people would react. Years later, Lundberg and some associates created a documentary called Mirage Men, which is an excellent documentary. It's mostly about Richard Doty and his disinformation campaign on behalf of the Air Force to discredit the UFO community, drove Paul Benowitz nuts. Um, Bill, Bill Moore, who's the, who's the guy who essentially brought Roswell out to the public. Bill Moore was taking payments and being fed information from Doty to muddy the waters in the UFO community.

• 45:01Speaker 03

  He finally came clean in 89, was booed off the stage at MUFON, and everything just unraveled. So it's all disinfo.

• 45:08Joe Rogan?

  They booed him off the stage?

• 45:09Speaker 03

  Cause he fi- he finally said, "Look, I've, I've been working with the government. A lot of the stuff I've been saying, they told me to say." Majestic 12, all this stuff was coming from Doty, and they didn't want to hear it. They didn't want to hear it. And his career was basically over that day.

• 45:25Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Bill Moore. He, there was no Roswell story before Moore, before his book. And, you know, that was Doty. So the, the documentary about Doty was directed and put together by Lundberg and his associates. Lundberg was one of the original circle makers that would make these fake crop circles to see how people would react. I just thought it was an interesting connection.

• 45:46Joe Rogan?

  But it's interesting because clearly some people are making these. But like, what was the origins of it? Cause I'm, I'm sure you've seen that. Image from the newspaper of the devil with a scythe. You know what I mean? And they're talking about crop circles like back in like the seventeen, eighteen hundreds? Sixteen seventy-eight. Yeah, sixteen hundreds, wow. First crop circle ever reported was in sixteen seventy-eight. According to the story, farmer, the crop mower were arguing about the cost of harvesting the farmer's oat field. The farmer was furious at the mower's price and stormed off swearing that the devil himself should harvest the crop. That night, a dazzling light lit up the oat field and in the morning, the farmer discovered perfectly round circles in his crops.

• 46:29Joe Rogan?

  He was so frightened by the circles, which he thought could only have been so neatly mowed by the devil or some infernal spirit, that he abandoned any attempt to harvest the field. That's a little sketchy. You're scared of circles? Come on pussy.

• 46:43Speaker 03

  Uh, uh, really though? If there were crop circles in my backyard, I would be a little nervous.

• 46:48Joe Rogan?

  I would be curious. It's not terrifying, right? They're not something that would scare me away from harvesting my crop.

• 46:56Speaker 03

  No, I'm more afraid of the government than I am of, you know, that stuff.

• 47:00Joe Rogan?

  Crop circles don't seem to be killing anybody.

• 47:01Speaker 03

  No.

• 47:02Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, what is, so ley lines? So these things are to differentiate areas so they could see them from the sky? Is that the idea?

• 47:11Speaker 03

  The ley lines are the, are the energy lines.

• 47:13Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:14Speaker 03

  Uh, whatever, a mystical energy. It's not a scientific energy. And where the lines intersect is where you see sites like Machu Picchu, Giza, Stonehenge, all these ancient sites. There's the ley lines.

• 47:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 47:29Speaker 03

  But ley lines is, you know, it's, it's semi debunkable because if you, if you connect enough lines, you're gonna find patterns, you're gonna find geometry.

• 47:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, you go looking for it.

• 47:39Speaker 03

  Right.

• 47:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Very, just very weird stuff. The, I, like I said, I used to think it was total nonsense until I saw some documentaries on it where they were talking about the nodes. They were talking about some of these things are just so complex and they appear so quickly.

• 47:53Speaker 03

  The nodes and the braiding to me was like, okay, now I gotta change my approach to this.

• 47:58Joe Rogan?

  What do you think it is?

• 48:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't know. I, I think, I think it's beyond us. It's just, we're just monkeys trying to guess math. I don't know. Every time we make a guess on this show, someone's laughing.

• 48:16Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 48:16Speaker 03

  Someone's like, they think it's a landing site.

• 48:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's one of those subjects that if you even entertain it, you're almost immediately a fool. Which I'm super comfortable with being a fool.

• 48:28Joe Rogan?

  I entertain a lot of foolish ideas. But that one is particularly foolish because people will always point to those guys with boards. And I'm like, not so fast. Yeah, those guys with boards definitely made some circles. But this is, there's some of them that are really spectacular.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  They are.

• 48:43Joe Rogan?

  And it just doesn't, and when you factor in the nodes, and you factor in the weaving, and then these incredible geometric shapes. Like, how are you even mapping that? Like, how are you doing that? How many people are involved? How long does it take?

• 48:59Speaker 03

  You know, it would take people so long, it would never be that accurate.

• 49:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  With ropes and boards, I just don't see it.

• 49:08Joe Rogan?

  Right, but like, it leaves you with this weird mystery. Just like, what, what is this?

• 49:14Speaker 03

  I wish I knew.

• 49:15Joe Rogan?

  It's just one of those things that like, it's almost like the universe is laughing at us. Every now and then, it just shows you something that's so goofy, that you have to go, well, what is real?

• 49:25Speaker 03

  You know, a great, it was a hoax, but a great crop circle was the Aracebo response. Do you know that one?

• 49:30Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 49:31Speaker 03

  That was a great one.

• 49:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 49:33Speaker 03

  We sent the Aracebo message out, it had all the symbols on it that...

• 49:36Joe Rogan?

  And it sent it back with like a half of you, an alien face.

• 49:39Speaker 03

  Right, and it showed where in their solar system they lived, what their DNA was like. Yeah, it was a great one.

• 49:46Joe Rogan?

  Who did that one?

• 49:46Speaker 03

  I don't know who did, I don't know if it was circle makers, I don't know who it was. But it was a hoax, but it was, but it was like a really well thought out one.

• 49:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, that one kind of looks like a hoax. Like, it's so on the nose, you have an alien face in the crop circle.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  Wasn't that different than the Aracebo response?

• 50:02Joe Rogan?

  Is it?

• 50:03Speaker 03

  I forget.

• 50:04Joe Rogan?

  I think they were related. I'm not sure, though.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  The response, I thought was so cool.

• 50:09Joe Rogan?

  I thought the Aracebo response was aligned with that UFO thing, the alien face. See if you can find the crop circle that says it, Jamie.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  You could be right. As soon as you see the alien face, you're out.

• 50:22Joe Rogan?

  I think the Aracebo response is next to, there it is, above that, Jamie. You just had it, if you scroll, go to the top, right there, bam.

• 50:32Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so that's different.

• 50:33Speaker 03

  That's different, but there's, there's a-

• 50:34Joe Rogan?

  This is Aracibo is the answer-

• 50:36Speaker 04

  It's an album cover for someone on Apple.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, but the crop circle's a real crop circle. That, that, somebody actually made that thing.

• 50:42Speaker 03

  Right, and that's a message, in that circle, that spiral is a message.

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  Look at that one to the right.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Uh, there's the Aracibo response, down there, with the humanoid face.

• 50:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's it, that's it. Very weird. So that's a hoax.

• 50:56Speaker 03

  That's a hoax, but, boy, it's a good one.

• 50:58Joe Rogan?

  It's a fucking great one. Go back a couple of posts.

• 51:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, right there, that one on the right-hand side, that's crazy.

• 51:10Speaker 03

  It's the small circles that get me.

• 51:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's fucking, if it is a hoax, it's amazing.

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  That is just so weird.

• 51:23Joe Rogan?

  But again, it's like one of those, like, it doesn't, it's not satisfying.

• 51:27Speaker 03

  No, it's not.

• 51:27Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's not like, every, it just, at the end of it, you're just like, "Oh, I don't know."

• 51:32Speaker 03

  That's why the worst question is, "What do you think it is?"

• 51:34Joe Rogan?

  It's like, "Ugh." Right. I was hoping you had something stupid.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  No, well, I don't have, I don't know, man.

• 51:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know either. But I do know that I want to believe, which is always the problem with me with all these things. You know, I wanna believe the bases in Antarctica, I wanna believe that there's pyramids up there, all that stuff.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, and when you find out something's debunked, how do you feel?

• 51:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you know.

• 52:00Speaker 03

  Are you okay?

• 52:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, disappointed, but-

• 52:03Speaker 03

  But there's a part of you that goes, "Yeah, it's probably right."

• 52:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think most of them are bullshit. I think like, most UFO sightings are bullshit. Most UFO sightings are probably people seeing experimental military aircraft, and things along those lines. Satellites, that's a big one. Like, those, the Starlink ones, just fly across the night sky, and people are like, "Oh my god, it's an alien."

• 52:26Speaker 03

  It's not an alien, you could see them with, with your naked eye.

• 52:28Joe Rogan?

  Satellite, yeah. But if you didn't know what it was, it looks like a fleet of ships flying across the sky.

• 52:34Speaker 03

  And the way that they alternate lights, it looks like there's an intelligence to it.

• 52:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah, yeah. I've never seen anything myself. Have you?

• 52:44Speaker 03

  No. Gino has.

• 52:45Joe Rogan?

  What did he say?

• 52:47Speaker 03

  Gino saw, and I think, I think maybe Jeremiah said he saw the same thing. Gino saw a giant orb of light over the Pacific Ocean and he watched it for a long time. And I said, where's the photo of it? And he said, I was so in awe, I didn't even think to get out my phone. I was like, man. But that's a common thing you hear.

• 53:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 53:08Speaker 03

  Is you're just so in awe, you don't think, I gotta selfie this.

• 53:12Joe Rogan?

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• 55:11Speaker 03

  Yep. And you know, Gino's legit. He's not, he's not bullshitting.

• 55:15Joe Rogan?

  Bullshit artist. Yeah. Now, I've talked to quite a, Dave Foley had a sighting. He saw something.

• 55:20Speaker 03

  Gino, talk to David about, they saw the same thing.

• 55:22Joe Rogan?

  Hmm, yeah. Well, there's always the question of like, what's going on off the coast? And I'm sure you're aware of this one. That, we actually talked about it the other day, but we never found it. There's a structure that's off of Malibu in the deep water that was available on Google Maps.

• 55:40Speaker 03

  Was a structure.

• 55:41Joe Rogan?

  Was. And now it's blurred out.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 55:44Joe Rogan?

  But it looked like there's openings in it. There's a top that's flat. It looks like.

• 55:49Speaker 03

  Looks like a base.

• 55:50Joe Rogan?

  Looks like a base.

• 55:52Speaker 03

  Looks like a base.

• 55:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 03

  You know, if.

• 55:54Joe Rogan?

  And now it doesn't.

• 55:55Speaker 03

  Now it just looks like blurry water.

• 55:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like why does it look different now? Like what's going on?

• 56:00Speaker 03

  With a gun to my head, all the weird stuff is in the ocean. It's not from another planet.

• 56:05Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 56:06Speaker 03

  Nah, I don't know. Who, who knows? But it's, it makes a lot more sense that the stuff we're seeing. It's the best place to hide is just deep water.

• 56:14Joe Rogan?

  So not from another planet originally? Like maybe originally and that's where they, they make their base?

• 56:21Speaker 03

  I, I, it's hard for me to square how to travel great distances. It's hard for me to square that. You know, I know that we've got the Albuquerque drive and warp drive and all these theoretical things about, about compressing space time and all of that. I, you know, I get it. But it's hard for me to think that that's solvable. But what is interesting is maybe another species evolved alongside of us a long time ago and has been here a long time and said, you know what, let's go, here's, this is where we go to avoid cataclysms and geological instability. Let's go underwater.

• 56:56Joe Rogan?

  That's a weird one, though, because like, what kind of technology are you utilizing? How'd you achieve, how did you achieve that level of technological superiority and not completely control man? Because if I was an intelligent species that was capable of developing bases under the water, I'd be super concerned at all the different things that human beings are doing to ruin things. Like, if we had chimps that all of a sudden had flamethrowers and they were lighting the jungle on fire, we'd probably take their flamethrowers.

• 57:24Speaker 03

  So like, we would turn off a nuclear reactor?

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  Right. So, we talk about humans. If, if, if this theory's true that they evolved here, there were no humans. Humans are 300,000 years old. That's not, it would take whatever species a lot longer than that to evolve to this technological level. We've seen the craft just zip into water with no displacement.

• 57:46Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:47Speaker 03

  You know, where are they going? And there, there are unnamed whistleblowers, you know, anonymous sources that say there's, there's a base near the Bermuda Triangle, the Navy knows about it, they know not to get close, it moves around a little bit. I'm gonna do an episode on it soon because it's just too good not to. Corroborated by another biologist who said he worked with the retrieval team and the Aster stuff. And what this base does is it, it, from raw materials, creates craft to go on specific missions. So it's always the question, you know, why is there a saucer? Why does it look like a pyramid? Why is it this? It's because they're custom-built for a mission. And there's an AI and a species down there, and they say, oh, we're gonna go survey Mount Hays in Alaska, super, super fascinating place. So we only need a scanning gear, some propulsion, and we just build

• 58:31Speaker 03

  it, it fits in an orb, send it out, does its thing, comes back, and then it gets broken down to the, its parts. And then another mission, build it, oh, it's gonna be a triangle, it's gonna be this or that, does its mission, comes back. To me, that makes good sense, a good way to do that, a good way to conserve resources, not have to go out and get stuff.

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 58:50Speaker 03

  I like the theory. That's a fun, it's a fun theory.

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun theory, yeah. It's a fun theory also that if you were, if you were creating bases here, like, say if they're coming from somewhere else and they wanna visit us, it would be far more...

• 59:06Joe Rogan?

  Logical to develop some sort of a base with resources and you know where you could you could observe things and they can exist there completely undetected and then be able to go to wherever they're from back and forth but when they're here on earth it would be undetected.

• 59:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 59:26Joe Rogan?

  And the ocean is literally seventy something percent of the earth's surface.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  And we've mapped I think two or three percent of it.

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. It'd be a good place to hide in plain sight.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  That's what I would do and to make things from raw materials meaning like molecular level stuff you're I mean you're totally off grid you know we don't need to strip mine we got everything here.

• 59:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, right and if you have something that's a transmedium vehicle so it doesn't displace the water it works on some sort of a warp drive or some.

• 59:58Speaker 03

  I think you have to get into interdimensionality then and all it gets a little it gets a little wild but if you're not displacing air or water that that means you're phasing through matter.

• 1:00:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  Which is theoretically doable because everything is mostly space.

• 1:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Well they said they've mapped things going under the water five hundred knots.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Right without making a splash.

• 1:00:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no ripples, no discernible waves.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  Just Greg Louganis right in there, nothing.

• 1:00:27Joe Rogan?

  Five hundred knots under the water, I mean what the fuck could do that? The amount of energy you'd have to have to go through that much resistance of deep water five hundred miles an hour, five hundred knots.

• 1:00:39Speaker 03

  Right, look at how when they do missile tests from subs how those things are just like ah trying to get out of the water and these things just go bloop.

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  And nothing.

• 1:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Well that's the weird ones and but that would make you also think like maybe it is a hologram because if there are these transmedium things but the thing is they're seeing them with radar.

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  Right, which means heat signature or mass.

• 1:01:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:01:05Speaker 03

  Or electromagnetic displacement.

• 1:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Or if it was if it is some sort of photons like some sort of a projection would that not have some kind of a heat signature?

• 1:01:18Speaker 03

  It would if it was ionized air. You know, that would be plasma, so that was hot. If that's what it is. But when they go into the water, we see them under the water for a second and you don't see any refraction.

• 1:01:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:01:33Speaker 03

  So that kind of screws up the like the holographic projection theory a little bit. Cause there's no light refraction. So how did you do that?

• 1:01:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Speaker 03

  No, I'm asking you how to do that.

• 1:01:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:01:46Speaker 03

  I don't know either.

• 1:01:47Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's my answer, yeah.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  I mean, you've had physicists on here that I've seen go, uh.

• 1:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, the really crazy ones are the ones that the fighter pilots have seen. Because, you know, particularly Commander Fravor and the other people that were on that mission with him. So two separate jets, you have four people that are eyewitness to this thing. And then that there was something actually under the surface of the water, like an aircraft carrier, an enormous thing, that this Tic Tac is hovering above. And then that thing descends into the water, the Tic Tac turns towards them, jamming their signal, is hovering in space and then shoots off at such an insane rate of speed that most of the things that we have on earth would just disintegrate and fall apart just from the sheer pressure.

• 1:02:38Speaker 03

  Of course, and from the inertia.

• 1:02:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:40Speaker 03

  Couldn't be done. Now, if I were doing an episode on Tic Tac or Go Faster Gimbal, I would be remiss if I didn't include Mick West's analysis of those. And I know you've talked to Mick on and off throughout the years.

• 1:02:51Joe Rogan?

  He's like a professional debunker though.

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  He is.

• 1:02:53Joe Rogan?

  He wants to debunk things that I don't think can be debunked.

• 1:02:56Speaker 03

  He does. He approaches it as it's definitely fake and I'm going to show you why.

• 1:03:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, everything is definitely fake, almost to the point where I'm like, who are you working for?

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:03:04Joe Rogan?

  Who are you working for?

• 1:03:05Speaker 03

  Everyone thinks we're CIA, by the way.

• 1:03:07Joe Rogan?

  Me and you?

• 1:03:08Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, Reddit is convinced I'm CIA.

• 1:03:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh. Me too?

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  That's why my channel blew up in two and a half years.

• 1:03:15Joe Rogan?

  Cause of CIA?

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  CIA is back.

• 1:03:16Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I've heard that before. I've heard that about many people. Like the reason why they got successful. I've heard that about me too.

• 1:03:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, go back to 2009 where I have 200 viewers, like the CIA sucked back then. Me at all.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Dude, I remember just watching you in little squares on Ustream, just like the top of your head and Brian and Duncan. I mean, that's what I, Gino's like, you gotta watch Joe Rogan's show on, on Ustream. I'm like, what are you talking about? He's a comic. He's like, he's got Graham Hancock on. And I went, oh, I gotta watch that. And that's, that's when I started watching.

• 1:03:47Joe Rogan?

  I think Graham was our first serious guest. So it was Duncan and I, and we're in my house and Graham flew from England. We ate pizza in my kitchen. It was the first time I got to meet him. I was so pumped because I'd read his book in the 90s.

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Same.

• 1:04:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Fingerprints of the Gods, amazing book.

• 1:04:03Speaker 03

  From Art Bellis who told me about it.

• 1:04:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I remember my wife was like, you should read like real, real archaeology. I'm like, no, this is fucking interesting shit.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  Why should, is your wife a scientist or something?

• 1:04:12Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. She's just a little more serious than me.

• 1:04:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:15Joe Rogan?

  A little smarter than me.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  Same, same.

• 1:04:19Joe Rogan?

  But it's like, I, I still to this day will pick up those books and read them. And it's like, I, I do not think that modern archaeology has the full story. And I've seen the way they behave. I saw the way Flint Dibble behaved with Graham. They're gatekeepers. They don't want anyone to have any information that they don't have. So even in the face of very compelling information, they dismiss openly, quickly, without any consideration. They, they just want to dismiss it. And then they want to pretend that any archaeologist that presents any kind of information that fucks up the narrative, isn't immediately attacked. And they are, their careers are ruined. Whether you go back to Clovis first, or in,

• 1:05:03Joe Rogan?

  any of these different archaeologists that have proposed alternative theories of the human timeline. All of the conventional archaeologists, all the mainstream people attacked them.

• 1:05:14Speaker 03

  Randall Carlson, Robert Shock, John F. West.

• 1:05:19Speaker 03

  If I were advising Graham, I would've said, "Don't do that debate. Don't do it. There's no way to come off, you're not going to convince anybody, and you're just going to come off not looking great." And I've seen his response on his own site. And he's even said that was probably a mistake, he wasn't prepared enough. But you'll never be prepared enough for a professional debunker, you just won't be. They have too much. Someone told him, "Don't go into the lion's den."

• 1:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, the problem was, he wasn't being honest. Flint was not being honest about the information that we have, particularly about offshore shipwrecks. He was just not honest.

• 1:05:54Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 1:05:54Joe Rogan?

  You know, and the amount that they have discovered, not honest.

• 1:05:58Speaker 03

  And Graham didn't know that at the time?

• 1:05:59Joe Rogan?

  And also, the timeline of like, how old these are. When you get to 5,000, 6,000 years, there's no ship left. All you have is like, the pottery and whatever's on the ground at the bottom. And if you're talking about 10,000 years, 15,000 years, who's to say that that's not completely covered by sediment by then? And it probably would be.

• 1:06:20Speaker 03

  Well, you know, I watched a little of Zahi Was on here.

• 1:06:24Joe Rogan?

  That's all you need, just a little for that episode, you get it.

• 1:06:27Speaker 03

  I couldn't believe he's still doing it. I mean, maybe he was around when they actually built the things.

• 1:06:32Joe Rogan?

  I think that was probably the best advertisement for alternative archaeology you're ever going to get. When you see the guy that's the gatekeeper and how close-minded he is.

• 1:06:42Speaker 03

  He didn't mention the capstones, the limestone facing from Tora, he didn't even talk about it.

• 1:06:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, this, just saying it was the national project. And that's how they were able to get 80-ton stones 500 miles away through the mountains on sleds. Like, come on.

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  The Aslan stones are from 1,200 miles away.

• 1:07:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:06Speaker 03

  You know, the Tora stones are... I don't know, twenty, thirty miles away or whatever.

• 1:07:11Joe Rogan?

  What about those Lebanon stones at Baalbek?

• 1:07:14Speaker 03

  Baalbek, they can't, I, I, how many tons is that? You, you need a person standing on it to even see the size of, if you've never seen the Baalbek stone, if you're listening, the thing is, it's like a skyscraper on its side.

• 1:07:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  And it's one solid piece.

• 1:07:28Joe Rogan?

  And it was moved there?

• 1:07:30Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:07:30Joe Rogan?

  See, pull up the Baalbek stones in Lebanon, cause there's stuff that's above it that is like of a more recent time period, but it seems to have been put there on top of these older stones that are so big, they don't make any sense. Like, that's just one of them that was quarried but not moved, but the ones that are in place, go to the ones that like, see, like these ones, the ones that are above, so there's the lower stones and the ones above, you don't realize how big they are unless you can get a human being to stand next to them, but they are preposterously big. Like, there you go.

• 1:08:09Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:08:10Joe Rogan?

  Like, you.

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  Fifteen feet high, thirty, forty feet long, I mean, they're shown in metrics, so I'm confused.

• 1:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Incredible.

• 1:08:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:08:19Joe Rogan?

  And who, who did it and when? When was that done? And then there's like Malta, like that stuff that they think Malta was constructed when the sea levels were much lower, so there was a, a way to make a path to there from Italy and from these other places, because they found Neanderthal bones there and.

• 1:08:40Speaker 03

  And allegedly giants built that, Darren Cuyu and all the hidden cities underneath the Cappadocia in Turkey that they're finding are connected.

• 1:08:47Joe Rogan?

  Those are nuts.

• 1:08:48Speaker 03

  No one knows who made them.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  No one knows who made them and they can have thousands of people living underground.

• 1:08:54Speaker 03

  They can bring fresh water from the, from the aquifers, they can bring fresh air and circulate it, they have defensive mechanisms with these giant stones and nobody knows how they made them?

• 1:09:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and who?

• 1:09:06Speaker 03

  And why?

• 1:09:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Speaker 03

  Great flood.

• 1:09:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the theory, right? The theory of the great flood and then the Younger Dryas impact theory destroyed the atmosphere where there was just like above the earth, which is like chaotic and they sought refuge underground.

• 1:09:20Speaker 03

  I lean more toward that the the ice sheets melted from a solar event than an impact, but it certainly could be either.

• 1:09:27Joe Rogan?

  I mean. Well, it could be a combination of things.

• 1:09:29Speaker 03

  Could be.

• 1:09:30Joe Rogan?

  Because it's also, they think there was more than one. The the impact event happened. They know this based on core samples, iridium, the nano diamonds that come from impacts.

• 1:09:41Speaker 03

  This is the Greenland impact?

• 1:09:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not just Greenland, North America. They think it hap- I think they found these, the evidence of this stuff, like thirty percent of the earth's surface where they believe these things had hit. I think we got bombarded.

• 1:09:55Speaker 03

  Right, so that would be like flying through an asteroid field like like the like the Leonids or the Perseids and Taurus. So the remnants of some giant object that is rubble.

• 1:10:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:06Speaker 03

  And we just fly through it, which means we fly through it frequently.

• 1:10:09Joe Rogan?

  We fly through it twice a year.

• 1:10:11Speaker 03

  Twice a year.

• 1:10:11Joe Rogan?

  But we don't always, you know, most of the time we get lucky and it's not a really a hot one. But like what happened with Tunguska.

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  Tunguska, right. That's that's Greenland. This is nineteen oh seven.

• 1:10:22Joe Rogan?

  And in the same month that we passed through that comet field.

• 1:10:27Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:10:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:28Speaker 03

  Right, that's over Siberia. And that was an airburst, I believe. Because there's no impact crater.

• 1:10:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:34Speaker 03

  But it flattened like millions of square miles of trees.

• 1:10:36Joe Rogan?

  And it's still fucked to this day.

• 1:10:37Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:10:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's images of that if you want to look up that. There's um, there's actual like film of it. It's crazy. It looks like a bomb went off.

• 1:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're in a shooting gallery, you know? Earth is flying through a shooting gallery. There's nine hundred thousand near earth objects that are just hovering around out there.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  And NASA says we track most of them.

• 1:11:01Speaker 03

  Because in those fields with the proceeds towards, there are big objects. There are earth killers in there.

• 1:11:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:11:08Speaker 03

  You know, and Apophis is lurking. Apophis is the big one. That's due to fly by in a few years.

• 1:11:13Joe Rogan?

  What's that one?

• 1:11:14Speaker 03

  That's a giant asteroid that's, I think it's due to fly by maybe 20, 30 something.

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  How big is that one?

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  I'll get it wrong. I mean, I'm gonna say a million things wrong today. I'll hear all about it. But it's a planet killer. Like, it's a civilization ender. And it's gonna fly near, like, we're gonna be able to see it during the day.

• 1:11:35Joe Rogan?

  375 meters across, about the size of a cruise liner. It will pass within 32,000 kilometers of Earth's surface on April 13, 2029.

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  Now, stop there. That's about, that's closer than the moon.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:11:49Speaker 03

  I mean, way closer than the moon.

• 1:11:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:51Speaker 03

  So that's what, about 70,000 miles where the moon is?

• 1:11:54Joe Rogan?

  250?

• 1:11:55Speaker 03

  250 to 300. So, we're gonna see that.

• 1:12:00Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  You don't wanna see that in this, you don't wanna look up and see that.

• 1:12:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, just knowing that ones far larger have passed through.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:10Joe Rogan?

  And then, we know for sure a bunch have hit, you know?

• 1:12:14Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 1:12:15Joe Rogan?

  You know, Chichen Itza, that one.

• 1:12:17Speaker 03

  All right, Chickshulub, but that was pseudoscience until the father or son went down there and found it.

• 1:12:21Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:22Speaker 03

  And that wasn't, I think that was, when I was growing up, the dinosaurs died. It was, that was a conspiracy theory, the asteroid.

• 1:12:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  And they, and they, they found it, I think around 1980.

• 1:12:32Joe Rogan?

  The Yucatan impact, yeah.

• 1:12:34Speaker 03

  And that's-

• 1:12:35Joe Rogan?

  Under the ocean.

• 1:12:35Speaker 03

  And the iridium-

• 1:12:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:37Speaker 03

  Matches it.

• 1:12:37Joe Rogan?

  Uh-huh. Yeah. All that is really spectacular stuff. It's just like, when you look at the moon, and you see the craters all over it, and you realize, okay, this is what happens when you don't have an atmosphere. And you also don't have water, and you could see everything that hits. Like, the whole thing.

• 1:12:53Speaker 03

  The whole thing.

• 1:12:54Joe Rogan?

  Covered.

• 1:12:55Speaker 03

  But why are there so many fewer impacts on the other side?

• 1:12:58Joe Rogan?

  Are there?

• 1:12:59Speaker 03

  Fewer.

• 1:12:59Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:13:01Speaker 03

  I can't, I don't know, the moon, I have, I have a, it became a saying on the show. I even have a T-shirt, "The moon is weird."

• 1:13:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:09Speaker 03

  Like, Gino's my weird topic guy. It's like, what should we talk about? He's like, "Do hollow moon." So I went into that story thinking, "This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard."

• 1:13:17Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:13:17Speaker 03

  "The moon is hollow." And I'm doing the research, about halfway through, I'm like, "Hmm, the moon is weird." And then by the end of my research, I was convinced that clearly the moon is a hollow spaceship that was brought here from another part of the galaxy. And it's here, and the lizard people are absorbing our soul energy. That's the only explanation for it. Probably not true, but man, the moon is very weird.

• 1:13:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also weird that the alignment and the size and the distance of the moon makes the eclipse perfect. Like, what are the odds of that? What are the odds that it is the exact distance from the sun so that when the moon and the sun align, it's exact?

• 1:14:02Speaker 03

  Right, it's like a 400 to 1 race, it's exact.

• 1:14:04Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 1:14:05Speaker 03

  But, but you could debunk that by saying the moon is getting further and further away.

• 1:14:10Joe Rogan?

  Right, but why is it perfect?

• 1:14:12Speaker 03

  What, I mean, we have-

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• 1:15:48Speaker 03

  Not found a planet in this solar system or anywhere else that has a giant moon right next to it.

• 1:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Quarter the size of the Earth.

• 1:15:55Speaker 03

  We haven't found it.

• 1:15:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:57Speaker 03

  We're the only one with it. And there are ancient legends that talk about a moonless sky and when the moon arrived, and when it arrived, it caused a great flood.

• 1:16:10Joe Rogan?

  What are the ancient stories of a moonless sky? Where are they from?

• 1:16:14Speaker 03

  Ancient Indian texts will have it, but also native legends will have it about the moon.

• 1:16:19Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:16:20Speaker 03

  About a moonless sky, and then the moon arrives.

• 1:16:22Joe Rogan?

  When do they think the moon arrived?

• 1:16:24Speaker 03

  It's hard to tell. I always go to Younger Dryas, Younger Dryas. But who really knows? The Earth was apparently just covered in this haze, just very wet, very hazy, maybe like Venus or something like that. Then the moon arrives and all that water from the atmosphere drops down to Earth. The tidal forces are crazy, there's a huge flood, and everything just settles, and then the moon is here. And the moon is now like the guardian of the planet, which it really is. We couldn't really survive without it.

• 1:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Because it stabilizes our atmosphere, right?

• 1:16:56Speaker 03

  Stabilizes us and...

• 1:16:58Joe Rogan?

  Stabilizes our orbit.

• 1:16:59Speaker 03

  Our orbit and our spin and our axis. When there's a major earthquake, the Earth changes speed. The spin change, like our spin, it changed measurably if there's a big earthquake. And if there's a lot of those, that could throw you off the axis, but the moon steps in like a bouncer and it settles things back down.

• 1:17:18Joe Rogan?

  So the idea would be that some sort of a superior civilization placed the moon there to ensure our survival?

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't think they care about us.

• 1:17:29Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:17:30Speaker 03

  No, I don't think so.

• 1:17:31Joe Rogan?

  How come?

• 1:17:32Speaker 03

  Again, we're, we're, we're in very speculative territory because nobody knows.

• 1:17:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:17:38Speaker 03

  But I would think it would just be for resources. Hey, this place has a lot of stable water.

• 1:17:42Joe Rogan?

  That's it?

• 1:17:43Speaker 03

  That's useful.

• 1:17:44Joe Rogan?

  Don't you think they would be fascinated with us as an emerging civilization? And like I always say, that if we found a planet that had cave people on it, like just starting to learn stone tools and stuff like that, we would for sure be interested in them. We'd be so fascinated. And we would probably try to accelerate their learning curve.

• 1:18:03Speaker 03

  You think we would?

• 1:18:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, definitely, yeah. Yeah, well, think of what a lot of these jerk-offs have done with like, uncontacted tribes and stuff like that. We're always trying to intervene and do something with them.

• 1:18:16Speaker 03

  You know the dark forest theory?

• 1:18:17Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  It's Lucian Shaw who wrote The Three-Body Problem and all those. Dark forest theory says that if you attain a certain level of technology, the best thing you can do is just be quiet. Because, because the universe is a dark forest and the first person to stick his head out dies. Because you don't want a competitor in your region. So, as soon as a, a culture gets close to some technology that could make, that they're on a path to threaten you, you gotta take them out. You gotta, you gotta halt their technology. And Three-Body Problem is, is kind of based on that, that's what they do in the books. And that seems to make a little more sense to me than sort of this altruistic, hey, let's help them, you know, the Star Trek approach. Let's, let's make first contact and all of that.

• 1:19:02Speaker 03

  You know, I, I like, you know, human nature's a tricky thing. We're very selfish. You and I might want to see those people and help them along, but there's a lot of people that would not want a competitor in the neighborhood.

• 1:19:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe, but what if they don't even think of us as a competitor? What if they're so advanced? Like if they're millions of years advanced? Like this is the thing that Diana Pasulka and Gary Nolan and a lot of these people that study crashed retrievals, there's a term that they use that these are donations.

• 1:19:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:19:41Joe Rogan?

  These vehicles are donations and that the idea is we're supposed to look at this and formulate new ideas through reverse engineering.

• 1:19:50Speaker 03

  And there's circumstantial evidence that that's true. If you look at Bell Labs and all the crazy discoveries after Roswell, like we're using cathode ray tubes and suddenly transistors are made and silicon semiconductors and wireless transmission and Bell Labs is all these leaps forward.

• 1:20:07Joe Rogan?

  Fiber optics.

• 1:20:08Speaker 03

  Fiber optics, laser technology came out of Bell as well. And the retrieval experts say that fiber optics and lasers for sure is reverse engineered. And it kind of makes a lot of sense because it seemed to have come out of nowhere, suddenly Bell Labs has it.

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  My question is where is the stuff?

• 1:20:33Speaker 03

  We've got World War II, we go into Korea in 1950, and at the time, Russia had the MiG-15 was basically on par with us. I think we had the F-86 at the time, and MiG might have even been better. So that would have been a great time for some advanced tech. But America did catch up and exceed the Soviets about 51, 52 during Korea and then has been superior ever since. But you would think that after 47, with the Soviets there, let's get some of this anti-gravitic stuff going.

• 1:21:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, maybe the problem is that you're working in this very compartmentalized environment, so you're not allowed to share with all these different scientists. So because of that, there's no collaboration, which is necessary for real innovation. You have to have... Experts from a bunch of different fields analyzing all the different aspects of it. This is what Lazar pointed to the problems that they were having at S4. When they were trying to back engineer this stuff, he's like, you can't do science like this because everything is so top secret and so compartmentalized. The metallurgists were not allowed to talk to the propulsions people and no one was allowed to talk to anybody else and everybody was just like, what the fuck is going on?

• 1:21:43Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:21:44Joe Rogan?

  What are these things? Where, like, they didn't even tell him allegedly, you know, if the story's true. They didn't even tell him where this thing came from. They, they show it to him and there's a United States flag sticker on it. And he's like, oh, this is ours. Oh, that makes sense. And then he's examining, he's like, oh, no, it's not. Like, there's no seams in this thing. Like, what is this? What's, what is the metal? Why is it designed for something that's three feet tall? Like, there's no controls inside this thing? Like, what is this reactor? How does this thing work?

• 1:22:14Speaker 03

  There's a chair.

• 1:22:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:15Speaker 03

  You know, there's a couple of chairs. It looks like there's a neural interface, maybe. I, you know, you hear a lot of the scientists, their frustration, like, if I could just talk to these guys.

• 1:22:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  You know, I'm, I'm picking up an, an EM field from this. The metallurgist would be helpful here to tell me what's going on. You know, I, I keep coming across spinning mercury all the time.

• 1:22:35Joe Rogan?

  Spinning mercury.

• 1:22:36Speaker 03

  The spinning mercury engine has been part of the lore since ancient India has the Vamanas, you know, those, those craft. If you look at the ancient texts, it may have been in the Mahabharata.

• 1:22:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:48Speaker 03

  But they allude to this liquid metal. And then you fast forward to like the Nazis building the bell, the de-glock. That was a mercury engine. And then we fast forward a little further, Mark McCandlish and the ARV vehicle. The, um, I forget, the flux liner. That is, that's spinning mercury engine. So spinning mercury keeps, keeps popping up. And spinning mercury would cause some type of field. What that would be, I'm not a scientist or physicist, I'm not sure. But it would certainly throw off a bunch of ions that could maybe be harnessed or used for something.

• 1:23:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's like, we're trying to explain things to us based on our current understanding of technology. Like, glass was invented a long time ago, but imagine showing up with a brand-new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra with Gorilla Glass, you know, in that thin frame and looking at, what the fuck is this?

• 1:23:46Speaker 03

  There'd be statues of you for a thousand years.

• 1:23:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, you know what glass is, you know what metal is, right? Well, this is glass and metal. You're like, what?

• 1:23:52Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:23:53Joe Rogan?

  No, what the fuck is this?

• 1:23:54Speaker 03

  We took sand and made it real hot, and it made it clear. Huh?

• 1:23:58Joe Rogan?

  What? You can drop it on the concrete and it doesn't break.

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:24:02Joe Rogan?

  What? Yeah, so just our current understanding of technology, based on the origins of that technology, just metal and glass. You know, you show someone metal and glass is thousands of years old, show them what we have now with metal and glass, they'd be blown away. And you just keep going, keep going, go a thousand years from now. What does it all look like? It's like, probably some sort of gravity propulsion system, probably 3D-printed, so there are no seams.

• 1:24:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:24:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:32Speaker 03

  And that's the frustration about disclosure, is how far could we be by now?

• 1:24:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:24:37Speaker 03

  You know, had there been disclosure in 47 or whatever.

• 1:24:39Joe Rogan?

  It's even more of a psy-op if it's all bullshit. Like, it's a psy-op if it actually is, like, wow, the government is actually really good at one thing, they're good at keeping secrets about UFOs.

• 1:24:49Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:24:50Joe Rogan?

  But if they're not, if it's all bullshit, like, boy, how weird, that we've been, like, focusing on this nonsense, like, as a culture, it got in the front page of the New York Times in 2017, but meanwhile, it's all nonsense.

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:25:03Joe Rogan?

  That's almost less likely.

• 1:25:04Speaker 03

  Well, if you look at what Doty did in the 70s and 80s with Paul Benowitz, when Benowitz discovered this advanced technology on Kirtland Air Force Base, he called the base and said, hey, I think there's UFOs, so they send Doty out, he was Air Force Intelligence, OSI, they send him out to Benowitz, and he's like, Paul, I think it might be UFOs, it is aliens. And Paul, you know, Paul gets a little bit wacky, and he starts intercepting signals from outer space, and they're sending him messages, but it turned out it's really the NSA rented a house across the street, and... Paul is committed at some point. And then Doty, over the years, changes his story and says, no, a lot of it is actually true.

• 1:25:48Speaker 03

  But Doty has also, he said as recently as 2019, Hal Puthoff tried to recruit him for a disinformation campaign with ATIP.

• 1:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Really? So Hal Puthoff has been a part of disinformation campaigns?

• 1:26:00Speaker 03

  Allegedly. Allegedly, forever.

• 1:26:03Joe Rogan?

  And what have they been doing with these disinformation campaigns? Whatever they've been trying to muddle?

• 1:26:10Speaker 03

  Just to keep guys like you and me fascinated and trying to figure stuff out while they can just operate their advanced technology in peace. Like, let them think it's aliens and UFOs, that's fine.

• 1:26:20Joe Rogan?

  What a dirty thing to do to us.

• 1:26:23Speaker 03

  Filthy. In the 50s, they were very public about anti-gravity. It was in the papers. You know, the G-Engine, they were talking about it. And then suddenly, quiet.

• 1:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Jesse Michaels talks about that all the time, the Townsend Brown.

• 1:26:34Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:36Speaker 03

  And Ning Li, remember her story, the physicist who dis-

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  Right. And then she died in a car accident after she came back from China.

• 1:26:44Speaker 03

  Oopsies.

• 1:26:44Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies.

• 1:26:45Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:26:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:48Speaker 03

  Yep, so that was AC Gravity, if you guys want to look that up. She used to give talks and all of that. She was funded by DOD for $400,000, so we know that for sure. And then she just goes dark. She goes dark for 11 years, shows up, I think in 2013, she's back, 2014, she gets hit by a car.

• 1:27:11Joe Rogan?

  Why is it so fun?

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  I don't know. Mark McClan just found all that stuff, ended up killing himself later on.

• 1:27:16Joe Rogan?

  All this stuff is so fun, which is why the Y-Files are so good. Because it's like, I always get the same feeling when I watch your show. It's like, oh, what is the answer? What is real? What is it? But it's, what is it about us that's so intrigued by these mysteries? I mean, there's so much that we know that is real. Just the nature of the cosmos itself, of black holes and solar nurseries and all the wild shit that's absolutely real. But there's these things that are like, yeah, but what is that?

• 1:27:49Speaker 03

  I don't think enough people are interested in it, to be honest. I think that's part of the problem.

• 1:27:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, don't you think it's because, for the most part, it's dismissed? And if you engage in it, it's like if you're a normal person, not like you or I, but if you're a person that has like a job in an accounting firm, you're like a very respected legitimate person, especially like pre 2017, pre the New York Times article, and you want to start talking about like gravity propulsion systems that the government's been hiding, and there's back engineering programs, they've got crashed UFOs, and there's one of them, it's only like a couple hundred feet wide, but you go inside of it, it's the size of a football field.

• 1:28:28Speaker 03

  Right, like the TARDIS.

• 1:28:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, or the one in Korea that's so big they had to build a building around it because they couldn't move it.

• 1:28:35Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:28:36Joe Rogan?

  I want to know what that is.

• 1:28:37Speaker 03

  Same, same. I don't, I wish more people were interested in it.

• 1:28:41Joe Rogan?

  I would almost be willing to run for president, just to get access. Just, if I ran for president, the company would be in shambles, but everybody would know everything about UFOs.

• 1:28:51Speaker 03

  Dude, you have no shot.

• 1:28:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I have no shot. They'd kill me, for sure.

• 1:28:54Speaker 03

  I can't, I can't believe the things you say are news.

• 1:28:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it's because news is like really dead.

• 1:29:00Speaker 03

  Yes, that's true. They're angry about, about independent media.

• 1:29:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, they are, but it's also the news is not, so their business is just clicks. And what better way to get clicks than I said something crazy? And so then, you know, and then it also kind of supports the idea that we need to be gate-kept, and someone needs to, you know, be able to stop us from spreading misinformation. Or my favorite term, malinformation. This is something that came up during COVID, that we need to stop the spread of misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation. Malinformation is real information that is true and accurate, but would be negative in its impact to society.

• 1:29:45Joe Rogan?

  Which is

• 1:29:45Speaker 03

  It's bonkers.

• 1:29:46Joe Rogan?

  Crazy.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  We can't live in that society.

• 1:29:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's, they're, they're making us infants, right? They're saying, "We can handle this, but the, the vast majority of you, even though we're all supposed to be equal and the government's supposed to be working for you and serving the people, no. We will have this information and we will know what we're doing and you won't be able to have access to it because you're not ready for it, because you're too stupid."

• 1:30:07Speaker 03

  They lost. They lost already, they just don't know it yet, but they lost.

• 1:30:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they lost a long time ago.

• 1:30:13Speaker 03

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna put out an episode about how dragons are real and when I get to the debunk, I'm gonna say, "Nothing, they're real, peace out."

• 1:30:20Joe Rogan?

  Triangular spacecraft, what is this?

• 1:30:22Speaker 04

  Stumbled down a lower rabbit hole and found a patent that exists, or did exist, it was abandoned in 2006.

• 1:30:30Speaker 03

  This couldn't be the, I forget the title.

• 1:30:31Joe Rogan?

  Look at this.

• 1:30:32Speaker 03

  The SR, was it 7RB?

• 1:30:35Speaker 04

  There's a T-3B.

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  This is like the ones that they always see, like the Phoenix Lights and that one. So it says, "A spacecraft having a triangular hull with vertical electrostatic line charges on each corner that produce a horizontal electric field parallel to the sides of the hull. This field interacting with a plane wave emitted by antennas on the side of the hull generates a force per volume combining both lift and propulsion."

• 1:31:02Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:31:02Speaker 04

  It gives all the math, but like, I don't know how to do this math and if someone

• 1:31:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we need to get Eric here.

• 1:31:07Speaker 04

  Someone can look at it and be like, "That's not real."

• 1:31:09Joe Rogan?

  Get Eric Weinstein to like, do that math for us.

• 1:31:11Speaker 04

  Hasn't been made, obviously, or that we know of.

• 1:31:13Joe Rogan?

  Or it has.

• 1:31:15Speaker 03

  And I'm surprised it's not classified.

• 1:31:18Speaker 04

  There's other, according to this article though, that's where I found it, it was about the T-3B thing.

• 1:31:23Speaker 03

  Right, so that, that's, that's a real experimental aircraft.

• 1:31:25Joe Rogan?

  Does America have a reverse engineered UFO? Whoa.

• 1:31:29Speaker 04

  This goes back to 1991 with the Desert Storm, there's reports of what they call it a TR-3A, which looks a lot like what the stealth bomber kinda is, but also

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:31:39Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:31:40Joe Rogan?

  TR-3B is said to be like, nothing we've seen before.

• 1:31:46Speaker 04

  This was what I got to from Liquid Mercury. I was trying to find stuff about it and there's theories that people say that like this is probably what they're running off of.

• 1:31:54Joe Rogan?

  It's supposedly powered by a reverse engineered anti-gravity drive that was recovered from a crashed alien spacecraft. The TR-3B is where reports of UAP performing seemingly impossible aerial maneuvers intersect with stories about very real aircraft.

• 1:32:10Speaker 03

  Read the next paragraph.

• 1:32:11Joe Rogan?

  There are lots of claims over the internet about TR-3B's anti-gravity drive, most of which include using nuclear power to rotate highly pressurized mercury to produce plasma and in turn a gravitational field.

• 1:32:25Speaker 03

  Whoa. Something about the mercury.

• 1:32:29Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever heard Eric Weinstein talk about this? There's a college in upstate New York that has an incredibly overqualified physics department and they're attached to a hedge fund that does Bernie Madoff type numbers.

• 1:32:42Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:32:43Joe Rogan?

  And he thinks the whole thing is a cover for some sort of advanced physics that they have been keeping a lockdown on.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  And it would make total sense. I mean, SRI would be another good example of that, right? Where Hal was in the 70s with Project Stargate and all of that.

• 1:32:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. The idea that the government can't keep secrets, like what about Epstein? Come on.

• 1:33:05Speaker 03

  People ask me all the time.

• 1:33:06Joe Rogan?

  That's in front of everybody's face and they've kept the list a secret.

• 1:33:09Speaker 03

  We're never gonna see the list. Stop asking me. You're not gonna see the list. Why not? Because everybody, all your heroes are on it and they're on it a lot. It's never coming out.

• 1:33:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And, you know, I have a friend that thinks like a lot of the world events that you're seeing, one of the reasons why people support it is because of Epstein, because of the list, because people are compromised, because no one can talk about things, you know, which is like really wild. So the government can keep some secrets.

• 1:33:36Speaker 03

  Manhattan Project was secret.

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they did a great job with that. And that was one that, you know, I mean, it was a race between us and the other foreign powers. They were all trying to come up with a nuclear bomb first. We did it first. The idea that there's no way that we could have some sort of advanced propulsion system and that modern physicists would be aware of the state of the art and they would tell you, yeah, no, this is not possible. I don't think that's correct. I think you could probably, if you were working on something and you had... A very specific hierarchy and you were really good at compartmentalization and you were recruiting these people at a very early stage in their career.

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  People with promise, these geniuses, giving them a very high salary, a prestigious position, but then everything's locked down. Cell phones, email, they're under constant surveillance and if somebody steps out of line, like the lady in Maryland, the Chinese lady.

• 1:34:38Speaker 03

  Yep. A lot of them. A lot of them go that way.

• 1:34:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:42Speaker 03

  You know, I'm skeptical about a lot of the whistleblowers, especially the ones that come out of Air Force Intelligence and all of that.

• 1:34:47Joe Rogan?

  Me too. Even when I'm talking to them, I'm like, hmm.

• 1:34:50Speaker 03

  Well, I mean, you know, I have, I kind of have that needle of skepticism and it starts with, do you have a background in intelligence? Yes. Military intelligence, Air Force intelligence. Are you still on the payroll? Did you get your information cleared from the Pentagon?

• 1:35:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:05Speaker 03

  Do you have a book?

• 1:35:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:07Speaker 03

  And it all goes. Did you, did you release some photos that were fake?

• 1:35:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:12Speaker 03

  I'm all over here. Then you go Bob Lazar. He has none of that stuff. Did the government target you? Did they try to discredit you?

• 1:35:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:19Speaker 03

  You know, have you been ostracized? When Lazar came out, I think it was to George Knapp, he was, he didn't say his name.

• 1:35:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:25Speaker 03

  He didn't have any books. The first book, I think, was with him and Jeremy in 2019.

• 1:35:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:30Speaker 03

  So Lazar, to me, is the most credible of the whistleblowers.

• 1:35:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:35:35Speaker 03

  But Jeremy and George just had a whistleblower a couple of weeks ago. He was pretty credible. He's a young guy. He's clearly nervous and he has some very interesting information about, what is it, Immaculate Constant?

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• 1:37:41Speaker 03

  Constellation.

• 1:37:42Joe Rogan?

  Which guy is this?

• 1:37:43Speaker 03

  I don't remember his name, it's very new.

• 1:37:45Joe Rogan?

  Is that the bald guy?

• 1:37:46Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:37:47Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:37:48Speaker 03

  No, the bald guy I think is Air Force Intelligence. This is a kid whose career is ruined, and he's maybe in his 20s. And you can see he's clearly nervous.

• 1:37:56Joe Rogan?

  And what is his claim?

• 1:37:58Speaker 03

  His claim is that he was going through some files, you know, he's got top-secret clearance, and he found the Immaculate Constellation Project, basically a PowerPoint presentation. And his job was just to sort these files. And he's looking through it, and suddenly it's like, whoa, this is about recovery and alien craft? And he did the right thing and went to his superiors and said, you know, there's a leakage, I saw information and maybe it wasn't supposed to, I'm just letting you know. And his superiors were like... Eh, forget about it. And he's like, and how is it? It's just no reprimand, no nothing. I just went back to work. But he was too fascinated by the document, so he kept pursuing it and pursuing it. And now he talks about it.

• 1:38:43Speaker 03

  I don't know his name, but if you track down Jeremy and George, you'll find it easily.

• 1:38:47Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 1:38:48Speaker 03

  That's the kid.

• 1:38:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So here's a way that I would kind of try to debunk that of I was being logical. If I was the government and I did have some very sophisticated propulsion system that's beyond the understanding of what we think to be current state of the art physics, like beyond, far beyond that, I think I might release a bunch of horse shit about UFOs.

• 1:39:15Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 1:39:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I might put a bunch of that stuff out there to say, oh, it can't be ours. It's not ours. It's not of this world.

• 1:39:23Speaker 03

  Muddy the waters.

• 1:39:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not just that, but attach like really kooky stuff to stuff that's real so that you think the real stuff is kooky.

• 1:39:34Speaker 03

  Right, like the drone scare. Remember that? That was very manufactured and the press was all over it. We don't know where the drones are. They're all flying over the military bases, all of that stuff.

• 1:39:45Joe Rogan?

  What do you think that was?

• 1:39:46Speaker 03

  I know what it was. I've seen the NOTAM reports. I don't, you know what a NOTAM is?

• 1:39:49Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:39:49Speaker 03

  That's a notice to airmen. So pilots, private pilots get warning of no-fly zones. And usually you'll see a lot of swathes carved out if like Air Force Ones flying through. Well, for some reason, this NOTAM reports have all these little circles all around that you can't fly through where the drones were. And I've seen that. And when did the drones, they suddenly stopped? When?

• 1:40:12Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:12Speaker 03

  Right before inauguration day.

• 1:40:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:15Speaker 03

  And no one talks about the drones anymore.

• 1:40:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's gone.

• 1:40:18Speaker 03

  Gone.

• 1:40:19Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it was mainstream news all over the place.

• 1:40:21Speaker 03

  And they had people nervous.

• 1:40:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:24Speaker 03

  They had them nervous, and I think that was the point.

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  So you think they did it as a psy-op?

• 1:40:28Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  Just to see how people would react?

• 1:40:30Speaker 03

  I do. And remember, I know nothing.

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:32Speaker 03

  But that is my opinion, is that it was a psy-op. And that most of this is.

• 1:40:37Joe Rogan?

  If there are visitors and they are from somewhere else, wouldn't the best way to prepare us is to start flying a bunch of like really wacky shit that we have in the air and not explain it?

• 1:40:50Speaker 03

  That would be a good way to prepare us.

• 1:40:52Joe Rogan?

  Get us comfortable with seeing things hovering over New Jersey that defy what our understanding of drone capabilities are in terms of the time that they can stay in the air. Some of them were in the air like for five hours.

• 1:41:06Speaker 03

  But if that's what was the reason to get us ready, it backfired because it freaked people out. People were very nervous about it like so our military installations are vulnerable. People were very frightened.

• 1:41:18Joe Rogan?

  That was the other thing like Wright Patterson Air Force Base had some drones and then they had to shut the base down.

• 1:41:24Speaker 03

  And Wright Patterson is is like ground zero for all of it. Project Blue Book.

• 1:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Roswell Recovery.

• 1:41:29Speaker 03

  Roswell went there.

• 1:41:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:31Speaker 03

  The second crash.

• 1:41:32Joe Rogan?

  What's the second crash?

• 1:41:33Speaker 03

  The second crash was some miles north and west of there and you'll hear Doty talk about it and that's where other pilots were recovered. I think the total of five.

• 1:41:42Joe Rogan?

  Pilots?

• 1:41:43Speaker 03

  The EBEs.

• 1:41:44Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 1:41:45Speaker 03

  The EBEs and according to Doty and others, one of the EBEs was stayed with the government, I think in Los Alamos for five years until 1952. There was EBA one or whatever. He liked strawberry ice cream.

• 1:42:01Joe Rogan?

  Who doesn't?

• 1:42:03Speaker 03

  Who doesn't, right? That'd be the first thing I'd do if I went to Planet Serpents, what's the ice cream like here?

• 1:42:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's just the idea that they would eat like we eat seems crazy.

• 1:42:14Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:42:15Joe Rogan?

  And then also they could breathe our air. Like, what are the odds of that?

• 1:42:18Speaker 03

  Well, you know, the theories are, you know, we never see alien shit or whatever, but but there's always a rebuttal is that, you know, they have a metabolism that absorbs nutrients and their waste is recycled and all of that stuff.

• 1:42:30Joe Rogan?

  Photosynthesis or something.

• 1:42:31Speaker 03

  Something like that.

• 1:42:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, they do seem genderless.

• 1:42:35Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:42:36Joe Rogan?

  Genderless, giant heads. You know, I always say that the archetype, like the grays, like Close Encounter grays. If you go back to like Neanderthals and then you go back to like Australia Pithecus covered in hair, heavily muscled, and then you go to like the average dude who plays Call of Duty. You know, like what do we do?

• 1:42:55Speaker 03

  I play Call of Duty.

• 1:42:56Joe Rogan?

  It's fine, it's a great game. But you know what I'm saying, it's like people become like these frail, muscle-less things, and then your head keeps getting bigger and bigger as the mind evolves. And then human capabilities increase in terms of like our ability to communicate telepathically. All these different, no need for mouth noises anymore, so your mouth shrivels up, there's a little slit.

• 1:43:18Speaker 03

  And why the eyes so big and black? Because you evolved underground.

• 1:43:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I thought it was like sunglasses built in.

• 1:43:25Speaker 03

  Well, it could be the same.

• 1:43:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, that's what I thought. I'm like, well, that looks like sunglasses.

• 1:43:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:43:30Joe Rogan?

  Like if you wanna protect your eyeballs, if like your atmosphere is far brighter and, you know, you have to be able to see things.

• 1:43:37Speaker 03

  I think that was, there was one retrieval story that had that, like one of the black eyes was half-open, that they thought it might have been something.

• 1:43:45Joe Rogan?

  Like a little shield?

• 1:43:46Speaker 03

  Like a shield. Like, it's a legit recovery story. I can't remember it offhand.

• 1:43:49Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Like camels have a weird shield over their eyes for sandstorms.

• 1:43:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:43:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like they have like an eyelid, a clear eyelid that covers over their eyes. That's so they can like go through sandstorms and not get blinded.

• 1:44:05Speaker 03

  You know, it's an interesting point that you brought up about Neanderthals is, and a lot of people don't know that just about 50,000 years ago, Neanderthals had basically an empire.

• 1:44:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:17Speaker 03

  Over all of Europe and Asia.

• 1:44:19Joe Rogan?

  For hundreds of thousands of years.

• 1:44:20Speaker 03

  Hundreds of thousands of years. And then suddenly, boom, they're defeated by frail, weak, hairless humans out of caves. And it's attributed to, we figured out a bow and arrow. You know, we could harass from a distance, projectile weapons. And that's how we defeated this vast empire of Neanderthals, who were not stupid. You know, who were-

• 1:44:40Joe Rogan?

  Bigger brains than ours.

• 1:44:41Speaker 03

  Bigger brains than ours. They had art, culture, music. They trained in warfare, they had organized warfare. I mean, can you imagine staring down the barrel of a division of organized Neanderthals coming at you?

• 1:44:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, like essentially super athletes.

• 1:44:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:44:56Joe Rogan?

  With chimpanzee-like strength.

• 1:44:58Speaker 03

  Right, and speed.

• 1:44:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:00Speaker 03

  And intelligence, and we came out of the caves and defeated them, okay?

• 1:45:04Joe Rogan?

  And eyes so large that they think their eyes might have been, they might have been able to see nocturnally.

• 1:45:09Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I love that episode you guys did on Neanderthals, you debunked it at the end, but the idea that they were like more ape-like than they were human, they looked like monsters.

• 1:45:21Speaker 03

  Dark-skinned, yeah.

• 1:45:21Joe Rogan?

  Dark-skinned fangs.

• 1:45:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was a cool episode. They're mostly debunked, but yeah.

• 1:45:26Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, there probably was some hunting of humans.

• 1:45:31Speaker 03

  For sure.

• 1:45:32Joe Rogan?

  And when you're dealing with something that's a far superior physical specimen.

• 1:45:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, when you hear-

• 1:45:38Joe Rogan?

  Much denser bones.

• 1:45:39Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:45:39Joe Rogan?

  Much stronger than us.

• 1:45:41Speaker 03

  And when, we know that we have some of their DNA in us, and it's, you know, when you hear, "Oh, we interbred with them." It's not precisely how it went down, most likely. It's most likely the women were carried away. That's how the interbreeding happened.

• 1:45:56Joe Rogan?

  Yikes.

• 1:45:57Speaker 03

  Uh-huh.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  Yikes, or horny men, and some lonely Neanderthal lady.

• 1:46:04Speaker 03

  Some dude's like a big lady, there's no shame in it.

• 1:46:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a big, thick one to make you some fucking warrior children.

• 1:46:11Speaker 03

  It's it, just wanna be cocked.

• 1:46:13Joe Rogan?

  Someone's just got dense bones, you know? I'll look at a frail lady with a dense head.

• 1:46:20Speaker 03

  Let's have a dense baby.

• 1:46:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what do their fucking language sound like?

• 1:46:23Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:46:24Joe Rogan?

  It's like, we used to think of them as being really stupid, and until they realized that their brain mass is actually larger than ours, and they're capable of language, and all these different things, like, okay. Like, how did we beat them?

• 1:46:36Speaker 03

  I don't know. That is a puzzle. You know, the answer is projectiles.

• 1:46:41Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Well, it kind of makes sense. I mean, if we were the only ones to figure out bows and arrows, and adaladals, and all that kind of stuff.

• 1:46:49Speaker 03

  It would work.

• 1:46:50Joe Rogan?

  Maybe, yeah. Especially if we organized, you know?

• 1:46:54Speaker 03

  But you could still overwhelm, you know, you could overwhelm a few archers with just, you would just throw bodies at it.

• 1:47:02Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:47:03Speaker 03

  You know, warfare's been fought like that for humans forever.

• 1:47:05Joe Rogan?

  Maybe their language is too crude to allow for that kind of communication, like to strategize. And, you know what I'm saying? Like, maybe their language is like very crude, normal, day-to-day stuff. "I'm hungry, I wanna fuck, like, let's kill these people." It was not complicated enough to say, like, "We got an issue here."

• 1:47:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  "Here's the issue, we gotta get around them from the back end, you know, and you guys gotta distract them from the front, and this is what we'll do," you know?

• 1:47:32Speaker 03

  I mean, that's the only thing that makes sense.

• 1:47:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:35Speaker 03

  But it still doesn't make complete sense to me.

• 1:47:37Joe Rogan?

  Why were their brains bigger than ours? That's the weird one. Like, we associate larger brains with more complex thinking. So why would what we think of as the most brutish version of human beings?

• 1:47:49Speaker 03

  I don't know, but don't Neanderthal brains, even though they were larger, had fewer convolutions, so...

• 1:47:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really? Do we know that?

• 1:47:56Speaker 03

  Um, that's part of my research, which, you know, most of it's bullshit, but that's what I read. You know, large brain, but not as powerful, but...

• 1:48:05Joe Rogan?

  Interesting. Well, so maybe the large brain was attributable to physical capability?

• 1:48:11Speaker 03

  Just the fact that you can produce music tells me, oh, so, so much about your brain.

• 1:48:17Joe Rogan?

  And they produced music?

• 1:48:18Speaker 03

  They produced music and art.

• 1:48:19Joe Rogan?

  How do we know that?

• 1:48:19Speaker 03

  We found, we found relics and artifacts of it.

• 1:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Of musical instruments?

• 1:48:23Speaker 03

  Instruments and cave writing and all that stuff. We, you know, they used needles and thread to make clothing.

• 1:48:30Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:48:31Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:32Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:48:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, very strange that we beat them.

• 1:48:35Joe Rogan?

  That's a Neanderthal tool?

• 1:48:37Speaker 03

  A flute.

• 1:48:38Speaker 04

  A flute?

• 1:48:38Joe Rogan?

  Some sort of flute. Wow, a bone flute.

• 1:48:43Speaker 03

  Made with the bone of your defeated enemy.

• 1:48:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, some dude you ate.

• 1:48:47Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:48Joe Rogan?

  Made a flute out of his shin. Oh.

• 1:48:52Speaker 04

  They figured out that death whistle back then, too. That's sort of musical.

• 1:48:55Speaker 03

  Oh, the Aztec death whistle.

• 1:48:57Speaker 04

  It's not the same, but.

• 1:48:58Speaker 03

  Aztec death whistle. That's a scary one.

• 1:49:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Brian Callen blew it on this show in 2019 and COVID started right afterwards.

• 1:49:05Speaker 03

  That's the summon the demons.

• 1:49:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Remember that?

• 1:49:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was just January 2020.

• 1:49:11Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:49:12Speaker 04

  It was like weeks before.

• 1:49:13Joe Rogan?

  Weeks before the lockdown?

• 1:49:15Speaker 03

  Uh, COVID was already here.

• 1:49:16Speaker 04

  I've even been closer.

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  I think COVID was already here by then.

• 1:49:19Speaker 03

  It's like with the anti-gravity. Why can't we cooperate with the Chinese?

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, nope.

• 1:49:23Speaker 03

  Well, we kind of. We know how to do that.

• 1:49:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah. Um, it's also fascinating to me how many different versions of human beings existed. You know, um, there's, um, the hobbit people on the island of Flores.

• 1:49:40Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:49:40Joe Rogan?

  That's a fascinating one.

• 1:49:41Speaker 03

  Florianses, something like that.

• 1:49:43Joe Rogan?

  Or heiscus, whatever it is.

• 1:49:44Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:49:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the three-foot-tall little furry creatures that they think had tools and

• 1:49:49Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:49:50Joe Rogan?

  wore clothing and all that jazz.

• 1:49:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, and there's even the different branches, like Cro-Magnon is not really from our branch.

• 1:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:49:59Speaker 03

  That's a different. Yeah, we branch from a different branch. So.

• 1:50:02Joe Rogan?

  There's Denisovans.

• 1:50:04Speaker 03

  Denisovans, right.

• 1:50:05Joe Rogan?

  And then the, what are the big head people that they just found recently? This is like super recent. Like, there was a, an article that was made in December of 2024 about this other new branch of the human species that had much larger heads than ours. And they think it was like this really thick, muscular, like, heavy human being. What is it called again?

• 1:50:28Speaker 04

  Jeweleren.

• 1:50:28Joe Rogan?

  Jeweleren. Yeah.

• 1:50:31Joe Rogan?

  Big head people. Yeah.

• 1:50:34Speaker 03

  So they disappeared around the same time as the Anshals 50,000 years ago.

• 1:50:38Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen the images of what they, the reconstruction? See, go to some of the drawings of what these people look like. They look fucking insane.

• 1:50:45Speaker 03

  Were they taller?

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  Uh, I do not know. I don't know how tall they were, but they looked fucking cool as shit.

• 1:50:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:50:54Speaker 04

  There was like a jacked one, wasn't there?

• 1:50:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the one I want.

• 1:51:02Joe Rogan?

  That's one, but that's not the one we were looking at. We're looking at one that theorized that it was completely covered in hair.

• 1:51:10Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 1:51:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So this is a very recent discovery. So how many, this is the thing. I think something like ninety percent of the species that have existed, we don't have fossils for.

• 1:51:25Speaker 03

  That, well, I mean ninety-nine percent of species ever existed are gone.

• 1:51:29Joe Rogan?

  Right. But fossils are very difficult to happen because it has to happen in a mudslide, somehow the body has to be preserved, then it's mineralized.

• 1:51:37Speaker 03

  Right, I don't know how many dinosaur, uh, complete fossils we have, like a T-Rex, I don't even think we have a complete one yet. But one or two billion T-Rexes lived and died on the planet, we have a couple of skeletons.

• 1:51:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:51:49Speaker 03

  Billions.

• 1:51:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, yeah. And it just makes you wonder, when they're finding things like this in 2024, how many are yet to be discovered? I mean, how much of the ground's surface has really been excavated to a very high level?

• 1:52:04Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:52:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:05Speaker 03

  Very little and, and it's, and it's very difficult to even dig there. I mean, what's happening in Turkey is a shame with Gobekli Tepe. You know, just paving over it and planting orchards on top of it.

• 1:52:17Joe Rogan?

  They took, they've taken down the orchards.

• 1:52:19Speaker 03

  They did?

• 1:52:20Joe Rogan?

  They've taken down the, yeah, the olive trees. The problem with that was that, and this is Jimmy Corsetti had talked about this long ago, that the, the issue with them doing this is the roots are going to destroy the artifacts below. And they're like, no, no, no, no, it won't. And then it turns out, actually it is. So they had to pull them. And so they, they pulled the olive trees. But they planted them purposely over the, the area, which is like...

• 1:52:44Speaker 03

  I'm glad Corsetti's out there, I like him and I know him pretty well.

• 1:52:47Joe Rogan?

  He's great.

• 1:52:48Speaker 03

  The Turkish government, I think, has banned him. And is trying to get him in trouble here, trying to get him sanctioned.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  Sanction? How do you sanction a guy off YouTube?

• 1:52:57Speaker 03

  Uh, uh...

• 1:52:57Joe Rogan?

  For what?

• 1:52:58Speaker 03

  Look, when you were, when, when CNN was going after you and they were like, trying to get Spotify to cancel you, creators like me who go against kind of mainstream were very nervous. Because like if YouTube just pulled my show, I'm kind of fucked.

• 1:53:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:15Speaker 03

  Um, so it's like if they could take down Joe, we're done. But they, you know, Spotify with a lot of respect hung fast.

• 1:53:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we've talked about that. Like if I wasn't on Spotify and I was only on YouTube at the time, I might have been fucked.

• 1:53:26Speaker 03

  Do you mind?

• 1:53:27Joe Rogan?

  Because they were taking people down for actual, real, truthful information.

• 1:53:32Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:53:33Joe Rogan?

  That was, in their eyes, malinformation that would cause vaccine hesitancy.

• 1:53:37Speaker 03

  Still no apologies.

• 1:53:39Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:53:40Speaker 03

  But, you know, it was a risky time, you know, to be non-politically correct, you know, before it was safe to.

• 1:53:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it was a very dangerous time and weird because it's like instantly dangerous. Like it wasn't like that before. Then all of a sudden, like anything you could say could get your career ruined.

• 1:53:56Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:53:57Joe Rogan?

  And you're, and again, everybody turned out to be right. Everybody was right that masks don't work. Everybody was right that the vaccine didn't stop the infection, didn't stop.

• 1:54:07Speaker 03

  Wasn't a vaccine.

• 1:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Transmission. It wasn't a vaccine. It has a bunch of side effects.

• 1:54:11Speaker 03

  The pangolin is nonsense. I mean, we knew that all of this was just intuitive.

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. The lab leak theory was racist.

• 1:54:19Speaker 03

  That was racist. Oh, my goodness. The R-word. It gets you destroyed.

• 1:54:24Joe Rogan?

  They tried anything. They tried anything they could to silence any opposition.

• 1:54:27Speaker 03

  Why?

• 1:54:28Joe Rogan?

  You were gonna say something? Do you mind? You were gonna say? You got a quick question, I think?

• 1:54:31Speaker 03

  I forgot.

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  We steamed over it. But we were talking about, like, the weirdness of that time, about how dangerous it was. Like, you know, it was real touch and go. It was real weird. There was like a lot of forces that were trying to get me removed because I was talking to people that they were deeming quacks. One of them, which is Robert Malone, who has nine patents on the creation of mRNA vaccine technology. These are rock-solid credentials these people had. They weren't kooks like Jay Bhattacharya. All these people are Stanford, MIT, Harvard, all these, all the people from the Great Barrington Declaration. These are legitimate researchers and scientists that didn't agree with the narrative and they were getting them removed from Twitter.

• 1:55:12Speaker 03

  And they had awards through their careers, highly revered and respected, and then suddenly no.

• 1:55:19Joe Rogan?

  It didn't matter because these people unfortunately had a conscience and they were saying, "Well, this is not what I know. I am an actual expert and I do not think that the information they're giving out is correct, so I'm gonna speak my mind." And then just... They were just, and then there's also a concerted effort by Fauci, like, and his group, to go after these people and to attack these people publicly.

• 1:55:42Speaker 03

  Yes, and when it was very early on, I forget even what paper, I had a release not bad in some paper criticizing a lot of this and lockdowns, you know, like my dojo was closed down, was trying to fight with masks on. So I was angry. And then, within weeks of that, it suddenly became politicized. And I was like, now I'm fucked. Now it's a political issue? How is this a political issue?

• 1:56:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:56:07Speaker 03

  But it was. It was politicized. And I don't know why. I don't know why I was all shut down.

• 1:56:12Joe Rogan?

  I think it's all just money. I think the vaccine companies wanted to make as much money as possible. And then anything that contributed to vaccine hesitancy was not for the greater good of public health. It was because the more vaccine hesitancy, the less profit they would have. I think it's real simple.

• 1:56:28Speaker 03

  Ugh.

• 1:56:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:29Speaker 03

  I agree, but that's really gross.

• 1:56:31Joe Rogan?

  It is gross. But it's also gross that they would prescribe it for children, because it was totally unnecessary. So the only reason why they would prescribe it for children, or mandate it for children to get into schools, because they wanted to make as much money as possible. And they made an insane amount of money. So it did work. It was effective. But, boy, it destroyed a lot of credibility.

• 1:56:49Speaker 03

  It certainly did. It definitely worked. Where my wife was working, it was a mandatory vaccine situation, but she was working remotely, so didn't really have to get it. But I can see that the narrative was starting to catch with her. And I'm like, honey, hold fast. This is a story. You know, it was a left-wing company, and they're just following the narrative. They don't just hold fast and don't get that shot. And she didn't.

• 1:57:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, luckily. I know people that did. I know people that have real fucking problems right now.

• 1:57:21Speaker 03

  Same.

• 1:57:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:22Speaker 03

  Like, they got long COVID suddenly.

• 1:57:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's weird that long COVID is something that mostly affects people that have gotten vaccinated. But they want to call it long COVID. They don't want to call it vaccine injury.

• 1:57:34Speaker 03

  Nope.

• 1:57:35Joe Rogan?

  The whole thing is like very creepy because it just shows you if something is like very clear and obvious and it's a real disease and we know the origin of it now and we know that all this stuff has been done to obscure it, how many other elements of society, how many other stories that are in the news have also been distorted and twisted around in order to promote a very specific narrative and how effective have they been at doing this? It's not like this is the only time they've ever done this. So COVID was kind of a window into disinformation and about how the government can use these ploys and manipulation and, you know, using these tactics of humiliation, humiliating

• 1:58:17Joe Rogan?

  these established scientists, ruining their careers, attacking their credentials and what other things have they used these on? What other, you know, geopolitical aspirations have they masked in all this bullshit? Like, the whole thing is just, like, it's very disconcerting to find out that the people that have been running the country are super comfortable with lying.

• 1:58:42Speaker 03

  Here's the good news, is the irony of COVID is the forces that were forcing us to be locked down and stay home gave rise to independent creators and journalists and independent thinkers and folks like you. And because of their forcing the lockdowns, they destroyed their own industry.

• 1:59:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:02Speaker 03

  And there's no going back. I mean, I haven't watched MSNBC or Fox News in years and you turn it on, it's like, oh, this is just, I hear the same stuff from the left and the right, I just hear the same stuff. I get my news from YouTube, from all different sources, and that's what I want. And they destroyed their own industry.

• 1:59:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's interesting to see, like, what is it gonna look like, you know, five, 10 years from now? Because five, 10 years ago, you'd never, 10 years ago, you'd never would have imagined that CNN would lose all its credibility.

• 1:59:30Speaker 03

  No, that would, we watched, you know, Desert Storm on there.

• 1:59:34Joe Rogan?

  Everything.

• 1:59:34Speaker 03

  Everything.

• 1:59:35Joe Rogan?

  Always, when you wanted to get the news. And it was always, also, CNN was thought of being as this, like, sort of nonpartisan environment for the news. It just showed you what the news was. And then somewhere along the line, it became very editorialized, very opinion-based and very, you know, these people telling you to do your own research. Do not do your own research. Like, imagine saying, "Don't read."

• 1:59:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:59:57Joe Rogan?

  "Don't read. You're not smart enough, AJ."

• 2:00:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:00:01Joe Rogan?

  You think you can go read?

• 2:00:03Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:00:03Joe Rogan?

  And absorb information? You're not smart enough to absorb information. Leave that to the experts.

• 2:00:08Speaker 03

  Don't listen to Rogan. He takes horse pills.

• 2:00:11Joe Rogan?

  Ah.

• 2:00:11Speaker 03

  Got that from his doctor, you...

• 2:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also calling it horse dewormer was so stupid.

• 2:00:16Speaker 03

  It was so stupid.

• 2:00:18Joe Rogan?

  Because everybody knows it's used on humans.

• 2:00:19Speaker 03

  Oh, ivermectin's in my cabinet.

• 2:00:21Joe Rogan?

  But it's just a simple Google search would tell you that something's wrong.

• 2:00:24Speaker 03

  That's required medication for foreign service.

• 2:00:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so it's one of those things where you wonder after something like that has been happening, "Well, this seems like a playbook they're really comfortable with using. How many other things have they used this on? Like, what other aspects of society are just complete horseshit?"

• 2:00:40Speaker 03

  When did it really start?

• 2:00:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:00:43Speaker 03

  You know, probably...

• 2:00:45Joe Rogan?

  Probably during the 40s. Maybe even before, because if you read "Wars of Arquette" by Smedley Butler, that was 33.

• 2:00:52Speaker 03

  General Butler, yeah. The business plot, General.

• 2:00:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, he was a very, very honest guy.

• 2:00:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, if you guys don't know, the business plot's worth looking into. That was, they tried to recruit him to overthrow the government.

• 2:01:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:05Speaker 03

  Because he had all the troops at his disposal.

• 2:01:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that was wild. They were gonna have a coup.

• 2:01:10Speaker 03

  They were gonna have a coup.

• 2:01:11Joe Rogan?

  In the United States.

• 2:01:11Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:01:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:12Speaker 03

  And nobody has answered for that. That's the JP Morgans and that whole set.

• 2:01:18Joe Rogan?

  So this kind of thinking has been going on forever. And then there's also kind of gatekeeping of information, like hiding the truth from people in order to preserve narratives, in order to preserve power and authority.

• 2:01:31Speaker 03

  Well, let's connect, let's go back to Butler for a quick second. You've got Tesla, who gets funded by JP Morgan to create wireless technology, but Tesla gets a little ambitious and says, "I'm gonna do wireless communication, but I'm gonna take your $150,000. I'm gonna do wireless energy. We'll do free energy around the world." And Morgan's like, "How do you put a meter on that?" Tesla's like, "What do you mean? This is propel mankind forward." Morgan pulls his funding, tells everyone in the investment class, "This guy's a kook, and if you invest with him, you don't do business with me." A few years later, Wardencliff Tower gets torn down, Tesla dies in poverty.

• 2:02:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:08Speaker 03

  And where are those 20 boxes?

• 2:02:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:02:10Speaker 03

  And why was the government so quick to respond to that crime scene?

• 2:02:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they showed up at that guy's house quick. They gathered up all that information. I wonder what they got from that.

• 2:02:19Speaker 03

  Uncle John Trump there was in charge of that.

• 2:02:22Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:23Speaker 03

  What did they get in those boxes?

• 2:02:25Joe Rogan?

  Donald Trump's uncle reviewed Tesla's death ray, secrets and found mysterious royal letters.

• 2:02:30Speaker 03

  I think they-

• 2:02:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, he looks like a Trump, doesn't he?

• 2:02:32Speaker 03

  He kinda does.

• 2:02:33Joe Rogan?

  That's a Trump look if he didn't do the comb over.

• 2:02:35Speaker 03

  Wasn't he working at a Wright Patterson as well?

• 2:02:37Joe Rogan?

  Was he?

• 2:02:39Speaker 03

  For this?

• 2:02:39Joe Rogan?

  Dun dun dun. Wright Patterson is a weird place. Like, they think that that's where one of them is.

• 2:02:48Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:02:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You know the Nixon story with Jackie Gleason?

• 2:02:53Speaker 03

  I know that Gleason was into UFOs. Tell the story.

• 2:02:55Joe Rogan?

  The story is Gleason got into UFOs because him and Nixon were drinking one day and Nixon was like, "You wanna see some shit?"

• 2:03:01Speaker 03

  I wish I was drinking with that dude.

• 2:03:03Joe Rogan?

  Can you imagine? And then he takes him, flies him out to wherever the base is and shows him a crashed UFO and these bodies that they have in freezers.

• 2:03:13Speaker 03

  And it was Wright Patterson?

• 2:03:14Joe Rogan?

  I do not know. I do not know. I don't know if Jackie Gleason ever said. The story came from Gleason's wife and it was an article in some sort of a magazine. But then there's the house that Gleason built in upstate New York that looked like a UFO. Like Gleason built a home. Yeah, that was like a disc.

• 2:03:33Speaker 03

  I'm gonna look into this. It's such a good story. I wonder where they went.

• 2:03:36Joe Rogan?

  Reportedly would have been in Homestead Air Force Base. It might be in Florida. In 73. I think that's where they were when they were playing golf and- Embalmed. Was reportedly showing embalmed bodies of four alien beings. Dun dun dun.

• 2:03:51Speaker 03

  So Nixon exposes UFOs to a civilian and then it does not go well for Richard Nixon after that.

• 2:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think what went badly for Richard Nixon was that Richard Nixon was inquiring as to who killed JFK and he said he thought he knew. And he was kind of talking about it publicly and they're like, "Okay."

• 2:04:08Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:04:08Joe Rogan?

  And they had already, you know, brought in Gerald Ford, kicked out Spiro Agnew. They got rid of him. Gerald Ford, who was also in the Warren Commission report.

• 2:04:16Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:04:16Joe Rogan?

  And then all of a sudden Nixon and Watergate happens.

• 2:04:20Speaker 03

  Nixon the most popular president of all time.

• 2:04:23Joe Rogan?

  And it turns out that Bob Woodward was actually an intelligence agent and this is his first project ever.

• 2:04:28Speaker 03

  Operation Mockingbird.

• 2:04:29Joe Rogan?

  And then the people that were involved in the break-in, all FBI.

• 2:04:33Speaker 03

  G. Gordon Liddy?

• 2:04:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the whole thing is a coup.

• 2:04:36Speaker 03

  Hall was a coup, Hall was a setup.

• 2:04:37Joe Rogan?

  And we're all parroting, you know, Nixon was a crook, that guy was a crook, he was this, he was that. Like, they did a great job. The psy-op was wonderful.

• 2:04:46Speaker 03

  I'm a patsy.

• 2:04:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:48Speaker 03

  They say it over and over.

• 2:04:49Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm, yeah. It's all really, really interesting stuff. But it's just, you know, what it boils down to with stuff like your show, like, how much of it is, how much is real, you know? And when you have these mysteries, one of the amazing things about mysteries is you're never gonna run out of topics.

• 2:05:11Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:05:12Joe Rogan?

  There's so many of these things.

• 2:05:13Speaker 03

  And as long as there's a US government, I'm, I'm good. As long as the CIA exists.

• 2:05:18Joe Rogan?

  They're always gonna be hiding something, but the fun ones are always the alien ones. That's the most fun ones, the alien ones and the ancient civilization ones. Like, what do you think, when, when you go over the Babla Zahr story? Like, what, what do you, how much of you, how much of you cries bullshit? How much of you's like, hmm?

• 2:05:38Speaker 03

  I'm more on the hmm side. I think he's the most credible whistleblower because he, he...

• 2:05:43Joe Rogan?

  Didn't profit from it.

• 2:05:44Speaker 03

  Didn't profit, and they, I mean, they prosecuted him for running, for running a prostitution ring, you know?

• 2:05:50Joe Rogan?

  Which maybe he was.

• 2:05:51Speaker 03

  Which I think he was. He pled down to pandering, but he...

• 2:05:54Joe Rogan?

  They also raided him during the Jeremy Corbell documentary. While they're filming the documentary, the FBI raided his facility.

• 2:06:01Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:06:02Joe Rogan?

  And they said they were looking for something. And supposedly, he has a version, or a, a sample of stable element 115.

• 2:06:12Speaker 03

  What?

• 2:06:13Joe Rogan?

  That's supposedly, yeah, and that's supposedly what they were looking for.

• 2:06:17Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 2:06:17Joe Rogan?

  Supposedly, he had gotten that from the lab, and when, when he was at S4, and that he had managed to smuggle out a, a stable chunk of this element 115. And there was a video that George Knapp had from back in the 80s, where Lazar was demonstrating how this stuff bends light and, you know, what it does, like, it has weird effects.

• 2:06:38Speaker 03

  How soon after that raid was, 115 is now called Moscovium. How soon after that raid was 115 synthesized? I think it was synthesized in Russia.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Well synthesized by a particle collider and so the, the, when they got it is a very temporary, quickly dissolving form, but they proved its existence. And supposedly what Lazar is saying, wherever these beings are from, they obviously have a completely different environment and they have a stable version of this, this element.

• 2:07:11Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:07:12Joe Rogan?

  And this element is crucial to this gravity propulsion system. That it's a part of this reactor, it gets bombarded with radiation, produces this gravity field, allows you to just slingshot through the, the universe.

• 2:07:24Speaker 03

  I, I don't know, are they working to stabilize it? Uh, you know, I don't know what's going on behind the scenes, man.

• 2:07:31Joe Rogan?

  Why would they raid Bob Lazar?

• 2:07:33Speaker 03

  That's, that's that spectrum of believability again.

• 2:07:36Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:07:37Speaker 03

  Here's a guy who's being attacked and, and tormented.

• 2:07:39Joe Rogan?

  In the middle of filming the documentary.

• 2:07:41Speaker 03

  I mean, I just had my first IRS audit, I don't know how you're doing.

• 2:07:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, what'd you do?

• 2:07:45Speaker 03

  I didn't do anything. I don't work in weed anymore.

• 2:07:48Joe Rogan?

  What do you think they were auditing for you, you for? What, what, what, when you go over all your episodes?

• 2:07:55Speaker 03

  I'm sure it's just a coincidence.

• 2:07:57Joe Rogan?

  What do you think, definitely coincidence. What do you think are the most problematic?

• 2:08:01Speaker 03

  Uh, most problematic for me are probably this, the, um, the CIA ones, I, the one I did that ended with the Agent Orange kind of expose was a kind of a dangerous one. It was the dark history of DARPA and all the bad stuff that DARPA's done since, uh, since its founding. It's done some horrible, horrible, horrible stuff. And that was an episode I was afraid to release. There's been a couple of those.

• 2:08:25Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:08:26Speaker 03

  MKUltra is kind of afraid to release, because I name names. A scary one was, um, how Lyme disease might have been a lab leak.

• 2:08:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a weird one.

• 2:08:34Speaker 03

  That's an-

• 2:08:35Joe Rogan?

  Bobby Kennedy fully believes that.

• 2:08:36Speaker 03

  It was Eric Trout was like the chief Nazi bio warfare specialist that was brought here, Operation Paperclip.

• 2:08:44Joe Rogan?

  And we do, we do know that there have been some studies done where they were trying to devise diseases that they could aerial spray, whether it's through bugs or something, onto a population, overwhelm their medical system, so they'd be easier to defeat.

• 2:09:01Speaker 03

  That's documented.

• 2:09:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the entire enemy, super weak, everybody's weak over there, and then-

• 2:09:07Speaker 03

  Also documented is some ticks got out.

• 2:09:12Joe Rogan?

  Dun dun dun.

• 2:09:13Speaker 03

  Dun dun dun, some ticks got out. So it's, you know, when you look at Lyme, Connecticut as ground zero and it just spreads from there and there was no Lyme disease before, that's a scary one to release.

• 2:09:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:24Speaker 03

  But whenever I get into Operation Paperclip, I always hammer home, these are Nazis. We, you know, Wernher von Braun is not a hero. He's a hero, but he's not a hero. You know, a lot of these guys, these is all evil dudes. And most of the Operation Paperclip was just bringing over intelligence assets. They don't like talking about that. It's the 1,200 scientists that we learn about. It's not the 6,000 intelligence agents that just lived here until the 70s and 80s.

• 2:09:50Joe Rogan?

  Right. All with their fucking dueling scars on their faces.

• 2:09:54Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:09:55Joe Rogan?

  Scary looking dudes, like right out of Indiana Jones.

• 2:09:58Speaker 03

  Right, SS on the shoulder.

• 2:10:00Joe Rogan?

  And that's what was a part of NASA. That was running NASA. Like Wernher von Braun was an actual Nazi and he was the head of NASA.

• 2:10:07Speaker 03

  And SS Nazi. So the V1 rocket program killed 3,000 people in London, but killed 30,000 Jewish slaves building the rocket. You know, way, 10 times more people died building the thing. And if you didn't work hard enough in the rocket factory, they would just hang you from the rafters. But von Braun said he didn't know anything about it. And all of his team said, we, ah, we didn't know anything about it. Okay.

• 2:10:32Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's convenient.

• 2:10:33Speaker 03

  Well, every time I bring up someone who's from there, I just remind everybody, these are Nazis, these are liars, these are bad dudes. That doesn't mean, you know, they're not, they didn't do amazing things for America because you could do both.

• 2:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what's weird.

• 2:10:47Speaker 03

  You know, the V1 rocket eventually becomes Saturn V, which takes us to the moon, allegedly.

• 2:10:52Joe Rogan?

  Allegedly. That's allegedly.

• 2:10:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:54Joe Rogan?

  That's my favorite one.

• 2:10:56Speaker 03

  Same.

• 2:10:56Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see the episode I did with Bart Sabrell?

• 2:10:58Speaker 03

  Um, yes, and I talk to Bart from time to time.

• 2:11:01Joe Rogan?

  He's, boy, he's all in.

• 2:11:03Speaker 03

  All in.

• 2:11:04Joe Rogan?

  For decades.

• 2:11:05Speaker 03

  Eventually, I'm gonna do a conversation podcast and, uh, he'll be one of the first guys I have on.

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  I had dinner with Bart Sabrell in like the year 2000, 2003 or something like that. I had dinner with him in Los Angeles. I, uh, I had seen A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon. Which, what year was that?

• 2:11:25Speaker 03

  Great documentary.

• 2:11:27Joe Rogan?

  What year was A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon released? So it was like shortly thereafter, somehow, I do, I do not even remember how I got connected with him. But we had dinner in Los Angeles at this Italian restaurant. I sat down with him.

• 2:11:40Speaker 03

  Two thousand one.

• 2:11:41Joe Rogan?

  Two thousand one. Yeah, so it was probably around two thousand three that Bart and I had dinner. And then, you know, twenty-two years later, I had him on the podcast.

• 2:11:50Speaker 03

  I, I need to look.

• 2:11:51Joe Rogan?

  He's still going after it.

• 2:11:52Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah. He still emails me and I'm like, Bart, I'll have you on. I'm just, I'm still building the studio.

• 2:11:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's so all in on this. And the more you talk to him, the more you go, god damn it, he might be right.

• 2:12:03Speaker 03

  He might be. I debunk a lot of his claims, which not all of them, you know, like the parallel shadows and, and how there shouldn't, how a shadow on the moon should be completely black, but that's not really true. And shadows.

• 2:12:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, things are reflective and the surface is reflective. That's part of the issue. But the parallel shadows are fucking weird. Like, you could find a reason why these intersecting shadows could exist, but it also could be more than one source of light.

• 2:12:32Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:12:32Joe Rogan?

  It's, there's more, there's a lot of weirdness to it.

• 2:12:35Speaker 03

  And shadows are not parallel. They don't work that way. Shadows disappear to the, to the, to the horizon.

• 2:12:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:12:42Speaker 03

  You know, there are no parallel shadows.

• 2:12:43Joe Rogan?

  Right, but going in completely different directions is very odd.

• 2:12:46Speaker 03

  It, uh, it's odd, but.

• 2:12:48Joe Rogan?

  It's very odd. That, that's not nearly as odd as, I mean, there's so many different things. You know, there's, there's so many things, like how goofy it looks when that craft lifts off from the moon and takes off into space. It's wobbling around like it's on a fucking string.

• 2:13:04Speaker 03

  It looks like it's on a string and, you know.

• 2:13:06Joe Rogan?

  It looks so fake.

• 2:13:07Speaker 03

  The camera tracks it nicely.

• 2:13:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, pans. From where?

• 2:13:11Speaker 03

  From, from Earth. From Houston with the, what, seven second delay or whatever?

• 2:13:16Joe Rogan?

  How about the fact that Nixon is on the phone with them?

• 2:13:21Speaker 03

  In real time?

• 2:13:21Joe Rogan?

  In real time. Like, you don't got a delay. It would be with nineteen sixty-nine technology, communicating, like, one of the reasons why Gus Grisham, you know, there's the, the big theories that Grisham was murdered because he wasn't willing to go along with it. Gus Grisham hung a lemon on the lunar module because he wasn't, wasn't able to communicate with the tower from Earth. It, the communication system wasn't working. And he's like, this is a fucking lemon. And he puts a lemon on a coat hanger and hangs it on the thing. And then.

• 2:13:53Speaker 03

  Well, let's go back and look at the original films and we, maybe we'll learn something.

• 2:13:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they don't have them anymore.

• 2:13:58Speaker 03

  Gone.

• 2:13:58Joe Rogan?

  They're gone.

• 2:13:59Speaker 03

  They don't know.

• 2:13:59Joe Rogan?

  What about the telemetry data? That's really important.

• 2:14:01Speaker 03

  Gone. The episode I did on the moon, which is a fun one, I even have a NASA scientist saying, "We don't know how to redo the technology. We just lost it."

• 2:14:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:11Speaker 03

  Didn't write anything down or nothing.

• 2:14:14Joe Rogan?

  And then there's the reality of the Van Allen radiation belts.

• 2:14:18Speaker 03

  That's true. That could be explained scientifically.

• 2:14:21Joe Rogan?

  Can it?

• 2:14:23Speaker 03

  The radiation is high particles, high voltage, all that, but they're spread wide apart, so you've just got to go really fast through them.

• 2:14:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it took hours to get through it.

• 2:14:32Speaker 03

  It did. It did, but they still were moving fast.

• 2:14:34Joe Rogan?

  Or it would kill everybody.

• 2:14:37Speaker 03

  Or we'd kill everybody. This is one of these theories.

• 2:14:39Joe Rogan?

  But the Apollo astronauts ever got through that. What I always say is like, they never even flew a chicken through that shit and had it come back alive.

• 2:14:45Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:14:46Joe Rogan?

  And they're just going to try it out with people?

• 2:14:47Speaker 03

  Lika the dog did not survive when they threw Lika up there.

• 2:14:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about Operation Starfish Prime? Where they shot a nuke into there to try to blow a hole through it and it wound up making it more radioactive?

• 2:14:59Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 2:15:01Joe Rogan?

  They thought they were going to blow a hole in the Van Allen radiation belt so they could just pop through that hole.

• 2:15:06Speaker 03

  Right, and now thanks to that, we've got the South Atlantic anomaly where there's just no protection anymore. We appreciate all that.

• 2:15:13Joe Rogan?

  They blew out the power in Hawaii.

• 2:15:15Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:15:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they fucked up the grid. They were detonating nukes in space.

• 2:15:20Speaker 03

  Really crazy.

• 2:15:21Joe Rogan?

  People in the 1950s and 60s were buck wild.

• 2:15:24Speaker 03

  They were.

• 2:15:25Joe Rogan?

  They were just, they had so much power, there was no internet, there was no oversight, and they were doing things that were completely new, like nuclear bombs. And they're like, "Let's see if it does this."

• 2:15:35Speaker 03

  Even Oppenheimer, they didn't know what was going to happen?

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  They had a more than 0% possibility that it was going to cause a chain reaction that would destroy the entire environment of the Earth.

• 2:15:47Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:15:47Joe Rogan?

  And they were like, "Let's see."

• 2:15:49Speaker 03

  Well, we got to try it.

• 2:15:51Joe Rogan?

  There's only one way to know. Is detonate it.

• 2:15:54Speaker 03

  And something like Bikini Atoll, which I think was Castle Bravo, was like three times more powerful than they thought. You know, it's like, "We're going for 10 kilotons, but we got 30?" Dude, you got to carry the one. Be careful. Be careful. Just be careful.

• 2:16:10Joe Rogan?

  Carry the one.

• 2:16:11Speaker 03

  I don't even know why we messed with it.

• 2:16:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, well, it's too late.

• 2:16:15Speaker 03

  Too late.

• 2:16:15Joe Rogan?

  The genie's out of the bottle. So if you had a bet, if you had $100,000 and you can give a bet, we went to the moon, we didn't go to the moon.

• 2:16:26Speaker 03

  That money's not enough, but gun to the head.

• 2:16:30Joe Rogan?

  Gun to the head.

• 2:16:31Speaker 03

  Gun to the head. We went to the moon without people. That's what I would go with. But let me preface by saying, I'm like a bobblehead. I go back and forth and I can be convinced one way or the other. It's a very complicated issue. Like, I can be convinced both ways.

• 2:16:49Joe Rogan?

  There's also the weird footage that looks like they're on wires, where they're pulled up and they fall down.

• 2:16:54Speaker 03

  You could see the reflections.

• 2:16:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I get into it. It's a good episode. I get into all of that. I cover Bart. Buzz Aldrin knows how to throw a shot.

• 2:17:04Joe Rogan?

  Kinda. Didn't get his hip into it. Old shoulders. But it's also, the thing is, like, every other technology from 1969 is cheaper, easier, and faster to reproduce today, except the moon landing.

• 2:17:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:17:17Joe Rogan?

  That, no one has ever done it again. No one has ever even been to deep, not human beings, have ever even been to deep space.

• 2:17:25Speaker 03

  And there's no, I don't know why. You know, if we could 3D print anything, why don't we send a 3D printer up into orbit? And then every time Elon launches a Starlink, just bring some substrate, bring some wire, and just deliver it there. Every time, because you're gonna do 10,000 of them. Just bring some wire, bring some wire, bring some aluminum, and we can just build the stuff in orbit. We don't have to worry about escaping gravity. Just build stuff up, 3D print stuff in orbit.

• 2:17:52Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. It sounds a little more complicated than you're making it out to be, but I see what you're saying. You know, the film footage, the lost footage that Sabrell had, is also very compelling, where it looks like they're filming the moon from, you know, 30,000 miles out. But then when they pull the covers off the windows, it shows you they're actually in near-Earth orbit.

• 2:18:14Speaker 03

  It fills up the whole window. And they even say in that film, we've got the camera right up against the window. No one can get in between it.

• 2:18:22Joe Rogan?

  But then someone walks in between the camera and the thing.

• 2:18:24Speaker 03

  And then you see what looks like a piece of plastic go whoosh. And then everything opens up.

• 2:18:30Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh. That's a hard one to explain.

• 2:18:33Speaker 03

  It is.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  And not for public display?

• 2:18:35Speaker 03

  Not for public, that's absolutely right.

• 2:18:37Joe Rogan?

  And also, why would you ever delete all of the original film?

• 2:18:45Joe Rogan?

  What, why would you destroy the original film? Why would they lose the telemetry data?

• 2:18:50Speaker 03

  And we don't even have a direct feed because they broadcast the feed on a wall and then pointed a TV camera at the wall.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:58Speaker 03

  And that's what we see.

• 2:18:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's why it looks so shitty on television in 1969.

• 2:19:02Speaker 03

  Cause the networks were like, hey, can we get the live feed? NASA's like, ah, you don't need that.

• 2:19:06Joe Rogan?

  It's so weird.

• 2:19:07Speaker 03

  It's weird.

• 2:19:07Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird one. It's also just weird that we keep saying we're gonna go back and we still never even get out of Earth's gravity. Or never even got out of Earth's atmosphere. Or Earth's orbit, rather.

• 2:19:18Speaker 03

  As soon as the Chinese start mining like helium two or whatever, we'll get, we'll get there.

• 2:19:23Joe Rogan?

  People always say, oh, well, there's photographs of the lunar lander on the moon. You can see it, like. How'd they get that buggy up there? How'd they piece that buggy together? Yeah. Little tiny ass fucking lunar module.

• 2:19:37Speaker 03

  Cause you can't see the tracks up there. If, you know, if you believe the stuff.

• 2:19:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, what does that mean? How easy is it? There's, there's video of me selling Kentucky Fried Chicken.

• 2:19:45Speaker 03

  Oh, I gotta look that up.

• 2:19:46Joe Rogan?

  There's like, you know what I'm saying?

• 2:19:47Speaker 03

  I gotta write that down.

• 2:19:48Joe Rogan?

  It might not even be Kentucky Fried Chicken, but it's like, there's AI video of me hawking all kinds of stuff that I've never even seen.

• 2:19:55Speaker 03

  I know, you show up on my feed, I'm like, oh, he's selling chicken.

• 2:19:57Joe Rogan?

  It's all fake. But, but that is easy to fake, cause it's blurry. Blurry nonsense photos.

• 2:20:03Speaker 03

  In my episode on the face on Mars, I show exactly how NASA copy and pasted cloud formations. You literally see it's the same cloud formations and then you see the Mars photos. They copy and pasted chunks on Mars. They did that. Like, I didn't make that up.

• 2:20:19Joe Rogan?

  What do you mean by that? They copy and pasted chunks on Mars?

• 2:20:22Speaker 03

  You've got this Martian rock face.

• 2:20:24Joe Rogan?

  Cydonia.

• 2:20:26Speaker 03

  Cydonia is where the face was and the alleged city and all kinds of.

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  That square.

• 2:20:31Speaker 03

  And the square's crazy.

• 2:20:32Joe Rogan?

  The square, but that's a recent one that we've been seeing.

• 2:20:34Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:20:35Joe Rogan?

  That one's nuts.

• 2:20:36Speaker 03

  Cydonia was one of the original landing places and they changed it at the last minute. Why? Land there and go to the face, let's see. Because if you don't know the story about the face on Mars, the first images, it does look like a face. And then suddenly the images got blurrier and then it was just kind of a plateau. It was, you know, pareidolia, it wasn't really a face.

• 2:20:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:20:59Speaker 03

  Well, then land there. Drive, you know, Sajona over there, whatever. Let's have a look.

• 2:21:04Joe Rogan?

  What's crazy is that the face is right down the street from the square.

• 2:21:08Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:21:09Joe Rogan?

  The square, to me, is way more compelling than the face. Because if the second images were more clear and it really is just, how do you say that word again?

• 2:21:16Speaker 03

  Pareidolia.

• 2:21:16Joe Rogan?

  Pareidolia, if that's really what it is, that kind of makes sense. Because the first one's like real blurry and shitty and it was from the 70s.

• 2:21:23Speaker 03

  True.

• 2:21:23Joe Rogan?

  But this square is nuts.

• 2:21:26Speaker 03

  Right, it looks geometrical, you know, right angles.

• 2:21:29Joe Rogan?

  And an actual square, or at least similar to a square, it looks like a structure made out of right angles and it's on the fucking moon. I showed it to Elon Musk, he's like, "Oh, very interesting. We should probably go up there and look around."

• 2:21:42Speaker 03

  We should. I mean, they're finally admitting that Mars used to have an atmosphere and oceans, giant oceans.

• 2:21:49Joe Rogan?

  And they found frozen water on Mars. Yeah, which is like, okay.

• 2:21:53Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, if we go back millions and millions of years, like, what did it look like? What was going on there?

• 2:21:59Speaker 03

  Remember, they sent Joe McMonigal to remote view back on Mars?

• 2:22:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, what did he say?

• 2:22:04Speaker 03

  He said he saw giant tall beings there in a very advanced society. And Joe McMonigal, part of the Project Stargate, a remote viewer. So he goes into his thing and he's drawing the aliens and the cities and all of that. But he didn't know where he was looking. They, you know, they wouldn't tell you at first. And then he's done, he comes out of his transfer whatever, opens the envelope and it says Mars with coordinates, 1 million B.C. or something. He said he saw stuff. And Stargate, again, Ingo Swan, saw all kinds of stuff on the far side of the moon, which I don't see, I don't hear covered a lot with Ingo. But he remote viewed the moon. He always wanted to do more stuff. He's like, "I don't want to look at a bridge, I'm going to go to the moon." And he said he saw-

• 2:22:48Speaker 03

  Structures on the far side of the moon that sound a lot like Carl Wolf disclosed in 2001.

• 2:22:53Joe Rogan?

  What did he disclose?

• 2:22:55Speaker 03

  Carl Wolf, Air Force Airmen, he's basically a technician, fixes, think of a Xerox repairman. He has to fix some imaging equipment for NASA slash DOD. It's images from the, from the moon surveyor. So he goes in, it's a dark room, a guy's working there, the guy's like, Carl, look at this. It's pictures of the dark side of the moon. He sees domes, towers, roads, all kinds of stuff. He can't believe it. And Carl goes home and he told his wife, I can't wait to see this on the news. This is crazy what we found, like this is civilization on the moon. And it just, it just goes away. And Carl Wolf said he saw that.

• 2:23:33Joe Rogan?

  Remote viewing?

• 2:23:35Speaker 03

  No, photographs.

• 2:23:37Joe Rogan?

  He saw photographs?

• 2:23:38Speaker 03

  He saw photographs of it. He saw photographs.

• 2:23:40Joe Rogan?

  Who took the photographs?

• 2:23:41Speaker 03

  It was the moon surveyor satellite that takes pictures all the time. It's like, we, we have images, we have stuff around the moon. I don't know why there's no webcam. You know, I don't know why we can't just tap into the image.

• 2:23:56Joe Rogan?

  Throw a satellite up there.

• 2:23:57Speaker 03

  Something, they're, they're there. Just send a signal back. I, I read that they just got like 5G working in space. Send us, send us a signal. Put a webcam on the ISS, let us tune in. So Carl Wolf saw that stuff. Ingo Swann saw the same things, but he saw actual beings there. And he said they were able to sense his consciousness. And he like snapped out of it. He said, aliens are on the far side of the moon and they are not our friends. So very interesting story. Ingo Swann, very interesting cat.

• 2:24:29Joe Rogan?

  So what took these photographs?

• 2:24:32Speaker 03

  Uh, the moon surveyor, lunar surveyor, satellite.

• 2:24:37Joe Rogan?

  None of that stuff's ever been released?

• 2:24:39Speaker 03

  Oh, they released a lot of images from the far side, but they released what they release. That's why we know there's fewer impacts on the far side, because we've seen those images.

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  But there's no images of these domes or whatever?

• 2:24:50Speaker 03

  No, no. I've seen some that maybe are faked, that look pretty compelling. I forget what episode I had to show them in, but when I found them, I was, it was mind blowing. And I can't find them again, for some reason. Like I, I wanted them for another episode and I can't find the photos, which is always suspicious to me. It's like, it's like suddenly the thing is blurry off, off of Malibu. You just can't find the stuff. But, um. You know, my gut tells me something's going on up there. Someone's aware of it. And I just, I'm dying to know what it is.

• 2:25:25Joe Rogan?

  It would be unbelievable if Mars was the first planet that had life before Earth was capable of supporting life. It reached a very high level of sophistication and then started seeding Earth.

• 2:25:38Speaker 03

  Right. Pansemeria theory.

• 2:25:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:40Speaker 03

  I believe we have at least one rock from Mars that just landed here. I think we have one of those. So from maybe a giant impact or something through some of Mars over here.

• 2:25:50Joe Rogan?

  Dum, dum, dum. But the idea, I think, is that their atmosphere was deteriorating or that they were getting further and further from the sun.

• 2:25:58Speaker 03

  Their magnetic field was weakening, strips away the atmosphere.

• 2:26:03Joe Rogan?

  And so this would be the thing, if you were a super advanced civilization, the race would be get so advanced that you could leave your planet.

• 2:26:11Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:26:12Joe Rogan?

  And that's the only way you're going to survive because eventually your planet is going to move over millions of years further and further away from the sun, not able to inhabit life anymore.

• 2:26:22Speaker 03

  Right, so maybe send your DNA or whatever to the third rock.

• 2:26:27Joe Rogan?

  Or Anunnaki.

• 2:26:30Speaker 03

  Or Anunnaki.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  That's the good one.

• 2:26:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, they show up everywhere.

• 2:26:34Joe Rogan?

  That's the ultimate one.

• 2:26:34Speaker 03

  And it's the big one. Anunnaki's the big one.

• 2:26:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a, that's a good one. That's, that's one that makes you go, huh.

• 2:26:42Speaker 03

  Because it shows up everywhere. It shows up in the Bible, it shows up in the Mahabharata, it shows up in ancient Chinese literature, shows up everywhere. Not always called the Anunnaki, but the Anunnaki and then they have their servile species that could be the Nephilim, could be the giants, and then they take, take these primitive humans, give them just enough intelligence to mine, you know, to mine the gold, is part of the lore.

• 2:27:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:09Speaker 03

  It's a good one.

• 2:27:10Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, it's the best one. It's the best one because... When you do look at ancient Sumer and you you look at their detailed map of the solar system, you're like, what the fuck is that? Like, how did they figure that out?

• 2:27:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:27:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, you're talking about 6,000 years ago, they had depictions of the planets? All in the proper area, like, they weren't the exact right size, but like, the bigger ones were in the place where the bigger ones would be, the smaller ones in the place where the smaller ones would be, it was representative, and the sun looks like a sun, like, it's got the rays around it.

• 2:27:42Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:27:42Joe Rogan?

  Showing that this is the center of the solar system.

• 2:27:44Speaker 03

  Right, and this is two, well, how many thousands of years before Copernicus, right?

• 2:27:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:50Speaker 03

  Didn't even know. Something I don't think, it doesn't get enough attention, is when these ancient cultures are obsessed with equinoxes. A lot of people think equinoxes when day and night are the same, but that's, that's not what that is. That's, when day and night are the same, it's called an equilux, and it's different for everybody on Earth, depending where you are. An equinox is when the sun is over the center of the Earth's equator. Well, how did you know there was an equator? So, Stonehenge is aligned to the equinoxes, how did you know there was an equator? And, how, you know, how was the, the pyramid, the sizes are directly divisible to a number like 43200, that could be factored in to calculate the circumference of the Earth?

• 2:28:35Speaker 03

  So you can calculate the equinox. How did they do that?

• 2:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Right, and how is it pointed to true north, south, east, and west?

• 2:28:42Speaker 03

  How did they do that?

• 2:28:42Joe Rogan?

  Why does it mirror the stars of the Orion Belt?

• 2:28:45Speaker 03

  But mirrors them 30,000 years ago because of precession.

• 2:28:49Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:28:51Speaker 03

  So, I'm in the camp that the Egyptians found the pyramids, not built them, but I'm glad Zahi's not here.

• 2:28:58Joe Rogan?

  Well, that would, you know, get you to the ancient civilization theory, but when you're looking at an ancient civilization that is as complex as Egypt, and then you factor in the Arunachai story and all these other things, you gotta think, like, why were the Egyptians so advanced? Like, where did they learn this from?

• 2:29:17Speaker 03

  Christopher Dunn has the answer.

• 2:29:19Joe Rogan?

  With the, the power plant?

• 2:29:21Speaker 03

  Power plant.

• 2:29:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, is that what you think?

• 2:29:23Speaker 03

  You know, it's one of my favorite episodes because I, you know, you can either watch my stupid thing with the fish, or the better thing is to just buy Chris's books and read the science.

• 2:29:36Speaker 03

  Don't be a sheep. The next one's gonna have taxes or theft.

• 2:29:40Joe Rogan?

  For people who don't know, if you haven't watched the show Hecklefish Talk Shit From The Aquarium During The Adventure Show. It's really a funny little, it makes the show fun. Cause it's like shows you're not totally taking it seriously. You have a talking fish who talks shit to you the entire time.

• 2:29:56Speaker 03

  What I'm trying to do is take weird topics, complex topics, break them down, make them accessible to everybody, have a good time, get you thinking on your own. If I get things wrong, that's okay, as long as you go out and just get interested in stuff. That's what I'm trying to do. Have fun and get you interested.

• 2:30:11Joe Rogan?

  Have you been looking at all under the structures underneath the pyramids?

• 2:30:15Speaker 03

  Yes, and I'm skeptical of that research. Cause if you look at the imaging, I don't see the coils or any of that stuff, I don't see it. They also said they found the tomb of Nefertiti, no, the tomb of Osiris. It just looked like splotches on radar. And they also, they haven't released any of that information to the scientific community. Nothing's peer reviewed. But when it first hit the news, I was like, that supports the power plant theory, the coils and all of that. But I have a feeling that their research will be debunked. Hope I'm wrong.

• 2:30:48Joe Rogan?

  Really? Well, they released more of it. And because they released more of it, and the conversation that Graham Hancock and Brian Murawescu had with them, well, they were initially skeptical as well, they've come around more to thinking that these guys might be on to something. Cause they've done this multiple times now with multiple scans, they keep getting the same results. And it does kinda look like coils. When you look at the images, first of all, the pillars, the fact these pillars are uniform, and they see, and then the fact that the structure goes down two kilometers into the earth.

• 2:31:20Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:31:21Joe Rogan?

  Like, maybe people 4,500 years ago were so motivated, Zahi said, that it's like, "This is the project of the entire country, the pride of the country." Okay, maybe, maybe. But two kilometers down? We're starting to get real crazy.

• 2:31:37Speaker 03

  I mean, if you look at the, like, the Kufu pyramids, like, perfect, and then you look at the pyramids that were built later- That we know were Egyptian built. And it's like the Timu version. It's like you didn't, you're not even, it's like a mess. It's just a pile of rocks.

• 2:31:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:31:53Speaker 03

  Where, where the Great Pyramid is precise. And there's no reasons for these different chambers. And the chemical residue, why? And why are there copper rods going down into the aquifer? Which is exactly the technology Tesla was using at Ward and Cliff Tower. The same exact technology. Why? You know, there's hydrochloric acid. We have evidence of that. And we've got the zinc sulfide. And it creates hydrogen atoms that go up the gallery. And then there's an opening that's exactly the right wavelength for hydrogen to flow through. And it resonates at 440 hertz and it makes an F sharp chord. And you've got the, it's tuned inside the King's Chamber to exactly that chord. Or, you know, maybe it's just a place for a dead guy.

• 2:32:37Speaker 03

  You know, the, why use rose quartz? Which is so highly, you know, rose granite is so dense with quartz. It's very rare. But it creates a lot of piezoelectricity when you apply pressure to it. And hydrogen could do that if you, if you pumped it through the King's Chamber.

• 2:32:52Joe Rogan?

  It's so fascinating to me that the gatekeepers are so, they're, they're so reluctant to even consider any possibility that it might have been something other than what they've initially asserted.

• 2:33:03Speaker 03

  It's frustrating, but it, it, it ruins their career and their reputation. It's like everything you said was wrong.

• 2:33:09Joe Rogan?

  Over time, I have a buddy who just went to Egypt and he hired these two archaeologists to take them on a tour. And both of them are saying, there is no way the original, the, the actual mainstream story is accurate. They're like, there's no way. Like this stuff is beyond. And then as he was like going through it with them, he said he was just fucking blown away. He said, I haven't been, but he said, you can look at it all day on television and on your laptop. When you go there, you're just like, what the fuck?

• 2:33:37Speaker 03

  I'd love to see it.

• 2:33:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we should go together.

• 2:33:39Speaker 03

  Let's do it.

• 2:33:40Joe Rogan?

  Let's go. Let's go. Zahi wants me to go with him, but I just don't think I could. I think after an hour, I'd be like, dude, I gotta get away from you.

• 2:33:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:33:48Joe Rogan?

  You're freaking me out.

• 2:33:49Speaker 03

  He'll ruin everything.

• 2:33:50Joe Rogan?

  I discovered this. This is my discovery. Yeah, it just.

• 2:33:55Speaker 03

  Didn't even mention the limestone from Tor, didn't even touch on it.

• 2:34:00Joe Rogan?

  What's the significance of that?

• 2:34:02Speaker 03

  Uh, it's a great insulator of electricity. It's also mined from very far away. We know it was definitely there. Herodotus talked about the limestone pyramids that could be seen from the mountains of Arabia. So Herodotus, they were still there. We know that the limestone facing was there because a lot of it was looted after a couple of earthquakes. They built bridges out of it. You can go touch it, it's there. Um, but he didn't talk about it. But if the pyramid power plant theory is true, then you use the limestone as an insulator. Inside, you've got the granite, which creates this piece of electricity. And then you've got this other limestone in between that kind of keeps everything modulated.

• 2:34:40Joe Rogan?

  So if it was a power plant, like what was it powering and how was it doing that?

• 2:34:45Speaker 03

  That's the big problem I have is, you know, so if Tesla wanted to project this energy into the ionosphere and then we can, everyone could tap into it with some type of receiver, like a radio. But there's no evidence I can find of them powering anything. So we can make the, the argument that maybe if the capstone were gold, this energy could resonate through the center of the pyramid, come up through the golden capstone, and then go straight into the ionosphere. And we know that the pyramid will resonate at certain frequencies and amplify it. That's been tested at about 200 meters is the ideal wavelength. But the only other theory is the obelisks at some point were these receivers. But there's no evidence that they powered anything. But maybe they used the energy for something different. I don't know.

• 2:35:30Joe Rogan?

  And if we're looking at the wrong timeline, if we're not really looking at 2,500 B.C., if we're looking at 30,000 B.C. or something even before that, which is also a weird thing that Zahi dismissed. He dismissed this idea of the King's List that goes back 30,000 years.

• 2:35:47Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:48Speaker 03

  And he says that just.

• 2:35:50Joe Rogan?

  Meet.

• 2:35:50Speaker 03

  Meet, right, just meet.

• 2:35:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. We know exactly. Also, he said he didn't believe in carbon dating, which was like.

• 2:35:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's convenient.

• 2:35:58Speaker 03

  That's convenient.

• 2:35:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:59Speaker 03

  Did not believe in carbon dating. And, and what about rock dating? That, you know, that is, that is a thing with certain types of rock. Limestone, not so much, but something like igneous rock, you can, you can, you can get a pretty good idea.

• 2:36:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the whole thing is very weird. It's so weird because it's so vast and so spectacular that no matter what you think, no matter what theories you have, you still have to look and you go, how the fuck? Like, it's so nutty that you can't even imagine people making it.

• 2:36:30Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:36:30Joe Rogan?

  Not people as like we consider people today. Like, if a civilization today, if we, let's say, for some reason, no one had ever visited a part of the earth, and then they went to a part of the earth and they saw people with these structures today, we'd be like, what happened? How did you do this?

• 2:36:50Speaker 03

  We would think they were wizards.

• 2:36:51Joe Rogan?

  Wizards. Above and beyond, two million, three hundred thousand stones.

• 2:36:55Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:36:56Joe Rogan?

  Hundreds of miles through the mountains, you carried the big ones for the inside of the king's chamber, you put them up a hundred thirty feet up in the air.

• 2:37:04Speaker 03

  With a ramp?

• 2:37:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:37:06Speaker 03

  I don't think, I don't think so.

• 2:37:08Joe Rogan?

  But it's all just, if they did, how, where'd that technology go? Where'd that construction knowledge go? Like, where did their engineering go? Like, how were people that advanced that long ago?

• 2:37:20Speaker 03

  You know, I like the acoustic levitation theory is an interesting one, where they use sound vibration to lift heavy objects. You know, we see that occurring throughout history as part of lore, but even in the nineteen thirties, a British, maybe he was an archaeologist, naturalist, went to see Buddhist monks, and using instruments, he watched them levitate heavy objects. And there's film of it, this is all the legend, and when he went back to the UK, they seized the film, but they were using instruments and chanting to levitate these rocks up a cliff face to build whatever they were building.

• 2:37:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about that wacky dude in Florida that made the coral castle?

• 2:38:00Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, that's Edward Lee Scanlon. I found, it's hard to find, but I found him using levers and pulleys and stuff to do it. It's still amazing what he did.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, by himself.

• 2:38:11Speaker 03

  By himself. Like, he's like five foot one, ninety pounds, and I think that door is tons, and you can push it with your finger, that door in the coral castle is amazing.

• 2:38:21Joe Rogan?

  And supposedly did it for his girlfriend?

• 2:38:23Speaker 03

  I didn't, I didn't read that.

• 2:38:25Joe Rogan?

  For his beloved, yeah. He did it to impress a lady.

• 2:38:28Speaker 03

  You went too far, man. You don't have to do that, just buy a nice car. Don't, don't do the, the, she doesn't care.

• 2:38:35Joe Rogan?

  Anybody can buy an ice cream. I'm gonna rock this chick's world.

• 2:38:39Speaker 03

  Literally gonna rock her world.

• 2:38:40Joe Rogan?

  She's gonna see my coral castle and be like, "This motherfucker's the one."

• 2:38:44Speaker 03

  She bailed. She, you, you bail if a dude builds you a castle.

• 2:38:48Joe Rogan?

  You're like, "Uh, look at the time."

• 2:38:51Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:38:51Joe Rogan?

  Gotta go.

• 2:38:52Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:38:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Um, when you do these shows and, you know, you've amassed like this channel now with all these like fascinating things, which ones to you are the most exciting to create?

• 2:39:06Speaker 03

  The most exciting?

• 2:39:07Joe Rogan?

  Like, one of the ones you get really jazzed about?

• 2:39:09Speaker 03

  The, the ones that, that, that kind of shatter my belief system. Like, the hollow moon or the, the crop circles.

• 2:39:17Joe Rogan?

  The, the, the idea of the moon being hollow is because they shot something into the moon and it rang like a bell.

• 2:39:25Speaker 03

  Right, right. Well, a few things. You know, one was they deliberately crashed their, their rocket into the moon. And there was seismology, you know, seismographs were placed in the moon to, to check what would happen. And it did reverberate. But mainstream science says it reverberates because it's extremely dry and that's why sound, sound waves travel like that. That's what they say. But other scientists have said there, it seems to be, if it's not hollow, there are hollow cavities within the moon.

• 2:39:55Joe Rogan?

  And why do they think that?

• 2:39:56Speaker 03

  Just, just the way that the sound travels and just how, there are parts of the moon where the surface dirt is, let me get this right, where the surface dirt is older than the dirt underneath. The soil on top is older. And the only way you can do that is through excavation.

• 2:40:15Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:40:16Speaker 03

  Moonquakes, yep. You know, and the, and the moon had volcanoes on it at some point.

• 2:40:21Joe Rogan?

  Passive seismic experiment sized monitors were placed during the Apollo 12 mission, remained active until 1977, recording both natural and human-made moonquake alike. Human-made moonquake, also, why are they doing that?

• 2:40:36Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:40:36Joe Rogan?

  Why are you trying to make moonquakes? In fact, moonquakes happen fairly regularly. A space debris like asteroids hit the moon more frequently than Earth because the moon's atmosphere is much less dense.

• 2:40:45Speaker 04

  Right above it, it described that the Apollo 12 mission was the first human-made moonquake. They, they detonated, or they crashed the module back on the surface.

• 2:40:54Speaker 03

  One ton of TNT. Good idea.

• 2:40:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, wow. First human made moon quake to take place, the PSE size monitors, oh, seismometers, seismometers, record the resulting vibrations, which were much bigger and lasted much longer than the scientists had anticipated. They were far different from the earthquake vibrations we're familiar with.

• 2:41:16Speaker 04

  And that next paragraph said it's because the moon is 60% as dense. Just doesn't mean it's hollow, but it's just different.

• 2:41:22Speaker 03

  Right, right. So if the collision theory is true, which is the mainstream theory, then the moon was made mostly out of earth's mantle, which will be less dense is why. It just kind of clipped us.

• 2:41:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:34Speaker 03

  But, the moon is weird.

• 2:41:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So, the hollow moon one freaks you out, crop circles?

• 2:41:42Speaker 03

  Crop circles. You know, those are the fun ones. I do the conspiracy, the government conspiracy ones are interesting to me, but a lot of times they make me angry. So it's not really fun, but I think it's important.

• 2:41:55Joe Rogan?

  Like the CIA stuff, MKUltra?

• 2:41:57Speaker 03

  MKUltra, and Agent Orange, that stuff really makes me angry.

• 2:42:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:02Speaker 03

  You know, the DARPA episode, I end up kind of losing my temper and crying a little at the end, which I didn't mean to do. And it was just in the course of the research, just, that's what happens, things start to unfold. I just wanted to see DARPA's history. And as I'm learning about it, it's like, oh, these guys did some bad, bad stuff. And then when you get to Vietnam, and you know, you got, they got the chemical company Dow Chemical, and DuPont, and all this, creating Agent Blue, Agent Purple, Agent Orange.

• 2:42:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:31Speaker 03

  And, I mean, more American soldiers got sick than actually got killed in the conflict. You know, I dedicated the episode to my father-in-law, who had all kinds of injuries from Agent Orange. The government denied any responsibility for years. They finally agreed to a settlement in 1981, and he applied for his benefits, and the government made do. They kept their word. He got his settlement 40 years later.

• 2:42:54Joe Rogan?

  Jesus. And even that's never going to be enough to deal with all those health problems.

• 2:42:59Speaker 03

  Right. So your country needs you, and you answer the call, and then when you need your country, take a number.

• 2:43:03Joe Rogan?

  And your country needs you based on a false flag.

• 2:43:06Speaker 03

  Gulf of Tonkin.

• 2:43:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Which is also very dark.

• 2:43:10Speaker 03

  LBJ.

• 2:43:11Joe Rogan?

  That they fake attacks to get us to go to war. And then there's Operation Northwoods, which is a really wonky one.

• 2:43:19Speaker 03

  That was the one to get us into Cuba.

• 2:43:20Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:21Speaker 03

  And that was probably... The beginning of the end for Kennedy. Because I believe Kennedy put a stop on North Woods.

• 2:43:28Joe Rogan?

  And Bay of Pigs, wouldn't allow air support.

• 2:43:30Speaker 03

  Right, he got screwed on that. And the Bay of Pigs, that was the end. That was where Kennedy says, "We need to start again. We've got to dismantle this and start again. I can't rely on my intelligence community."

• 2:43:42Joe Rogan?

  Jeez.

• 2:43:43Speaker 03

  And Eisenhower, he talked to Eisenhower a lot. Eisenhower gave him advice and said, "Watch out for the CIA. Keep an eye on them." Because remember when Eisenhower left, he gave that famous farewell address where he said, "Beware the military industrial complex. You make war profitable, you're going to have more war." Because America was never like that before. You know, we kept, we had a defensive military, not an aggressive military, forever.

• 2:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Profit is where the devil does his best work.

• 2:44:08Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 2:44:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:10Speaker 03

  That's right. That is from the Bible, isn't it?

• 2:44:11Joe Rogan?

  It might be. But it's really what it is. If evil is real, justification for evil, like if you have a compartmentalized situation like they do with corporations, where you have this diffusion of responsibility, because you have a bunch of people that are all working together. "Hey, it's not my, I'm just working. This is part of my job." And then you have a responsibility to shareholders to make maximum profits every quarter. And then you justify all kinds of things and you get rewarded. "Great job. You did a great job, AJ. We like how you made those profits. You got a nice fat bonus." And then, you know, you drink yourself to sleep every night.

• 2:44:45Speaker 03

  My stepsister just retired from Grumman. She worked in top secret programs. She won't tell the family what she did.

• 2:44:51Joe Rogan?

  Dun, dun, dun. She wants to live. Good. Keep your mouth shut, lady.

• 2:44:56Speaker 03

  Keep it shut. Lisa, be quiet.

• 2:44:59Joe Rogan?

  I'd keep my mouth shut, too.

• 2:45:00Speaker 03

  She never said a word.

• 2:45:01Joe Rogan?

  Why would you? It's not worth it.

• 2:45:02Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:45:03Joe Rogan?

  It's not worth it.

• 2:45:04Speaker 03

  Pension's too good.

• 2:45:05Joe Rogan?

  Also, you don't want to die, you know? It's just like, they get rid of people. If you're in the business of killing people, which is what military contractors are, they are in the business of killing you if you get in the business of killing people. They're like, "Oh, we just have to kill one more person, then we can kill a whole bunch of other people and make a lot of money." Yeah.

• 2:45:26Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 2:45:26Joe Rogan?

  "Oh, look, he had a heart attack. Whoopsies."

• 2:45:29Speaker 03

  He fell out of a hotel window. The Frank Olson murder is taught by Israeli intelligence as the perfect murder.

• 2:45:36Joe Rogan?

  Which one's that?

• 2:45:36Speaker 03

  Frank Olson was part of MKUltra and was starting to have second doubts about it, so they sent him to a psychiatrist who he didn't know was actually, worked for Sidney Gottlieb and was, you know, into programming and he was freaking out. And he's up in a hotel room with someone else from MK and he falls out the window. But if you look at the window where he fell, it's like, you know, two feet by two feet. You can't just jump out the window. So he was found on the sidewalk by the doorman. That's Frank Olson, worth looking up.

• 2:46:10Joe Rogan?

  He was drunk before talking to his family afterwards. They gave him 750 grand.

• 2:46:15Speaker 03

  That's right, and it took a lot of pressure. Right. And it was, be quiet. We'll give you the money, but be quiet about it.

• 2:46:29Speaker 03

  So, I mean, it's all real and it's just...

• 2:46:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just the stuff that's undeniable is enough to make you just go, whoa. What is happening? What is really going on behind the scenes?

• 2:46:43Speaker 03

  You know, the NBA ultra, the testimonies from the women is really heartbreaking to watch them. You know, the sexual abuse that they endured for years at that, you know, the whatever that was, that lodge on the water near DC and just tortured and crazy stuff. Operation Midnight Caller, you know that one?

• 2:47:04Joe Rogan?

  Which one's that?

• 2:47:05Speaker 03

  That's, uh, it happened in San Francisco where they had agents hiring prostitutes and they...

• 2:47:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Midnight Climax?

• 2:47:11Speaker 03

  Midnight Climax, behind the two-way glass.

• 2:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, nuts.

• 2:47:15Speaker 03

  Nuts.

• 2:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Bunch of weirdos.

• 2:47:16Speaker 03

  Tax dollars at work.

• 2:47:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it's because they had no oversight. You're of ultimate power. It's all totally deniable.

• 2:47:26Speaker 03

  And it was, I think it was Nixon who banned it in 72? It might have even been 69 before he came in. They kept doing it anyway. Same with bioweapons. They were ordered by executive order to get rid of their bioweapons. And it was found out years later. They were just stockpiling them. They still had them.

• 2:47:45Speaker 03

  And you know they still do.

• 2:47:46Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh, yeah.

• 2:47:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Do you hesitant, do you hesitate sometimes when you're doing these government cover-up ones?

• 2:47:55Speaker 03

  Yes. Yes. Yeah, you know, I don't want to say I'm a-

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  Because they're dangerous.

• 2:48:00Speaker 03

  They are.

• 2:48:00Joe Rogan?

  Bigfoot's not dangerous.

• 2:48:02Speaker 03

  No, Bigfoot's not gonna hurt me.

• 2:48:03Joe Rogan?

  Bigfoot's a fun one.

• 2:48:04Speaker 03

  It is fun, he's-

• 2:48:05Joe Rogan?

  UFOs are fun ones.

• 2:48:06Speaker 03

  Different dimensions, you know, we-

• 2:48:08Joe Rogan?

  Fun stuff.

• 2:48:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's, it's hard for me because I consider myself a patriot, a very, very like pro-military, pro-law enforcement, but also anti-war and, you know, pro-criminal justice reform. Like, I'm a very-

• 2:48:22Joe Rogan?

  Me too.

• 2:48:23Speaker 03

  Politically confused.

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, me too.

• 2:48:25Speaker 03

  You know, I just like fairness and-

• 2:48:27Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:48:27Speaker 03

  Transparency, that sort of thing.

• 2:48:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. You like to think that our government's good.

• 2:48:31Speaker 03

  I, I do like to think that, and this journey has shown me that it's mostly not. You know, it's really mostly not, but it's, it's a government made of men, and men are flawed and selfish, and men will hurt each other.

• 2:48:42Joe Rogan?

  And there's also justifications that be made, can made, be made, rather, for doing terrible things, because there's terrible people out there and you have to stay ahead.

• 2:48:49Speaker 03

  Always.

• 2:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Don't become a monster when you're fighting monsters.

• 2:48:52Speaker 03

  That's exactly right, and these, this collateral damage is, is just part of it, it's just part of it.

• 2:48:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:58Speaker 03

  You know, so we give them a settlement, stay quiet, but this is for national security.

• 2:49:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:03Speaker 03

  Great or good.

• 2:49:03Joe Rogan?

  What other ones have freaked you out?

• 2:49:05Speaker 03

  And it's, it's hard to, it's hard to say off the top of my head. MKUltra's a tough one. You know, I have, I have covered Northwoods and, and some of those. Operation Gladio was a crazy one. That was, that was where CIA was killing civilians and, after World War II. Allen Dulles, I'm gonna do an episode on Allen Dulles, the Dulles Brothers, their connection to the Nazis and all of that. It's gonna, that's gonna be a dangerous one.

• 2:49:33Joe Rogan?

  What were they doing? They were killing people for what reason?

• 2:49:36Speaker 03

  So, we had to fight communism, communism, communism. So, they trained a secret army, a civilian army, in Italy to bomb civilians and then blame it on the communists. The communists at that time were the most popular party in Italy, you know, post-war, because they had just went through fascism, right, with Mussolini, so you just, it always swings too far the other way.

• 2:49:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:50:00Speaker 03

  So, we swing way the other way. Communism, very popular, can't have that, so- Civilians were killed in bombings by the CIA-trained guerrilla army. And they were trained by a Nazi general who was tight with Allen Dulles. And it was, and this was planned during, during the war. You know, while, while American GIs were being killed fighting the Nazis, they were already planning this next phase. But, but civilians died in massacres and they blamed it on communists. And it was denied and denied, and eventually it came out. It was called Operation Gladio. Gladio is a, Gladius is the sword of the, of the Roman soldier.

• 2:50:39Joe Rogan?

  How did they kill the people?

• 2:50:40Speaker 03

  Bomb. Car bomb. Car bomb was a big one. I think it was in Milan, but there was a few.

• 2:50:45Joe Rogan?

  And they were just blaming the communists, just to stop communism?

• 2:50:48Speaker 03

  Right. Because it was, it was a huge, Italy was a lot of turmoil. I think it was called like the, the years of lead or like the decades of lead, something like that. Because people were just getting killed all the time. I don't know how many constitutions Italy's had since World War II, but it's, it's probably over two dozen at this point. You know, it's a chaotic place.

• 2:51:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow, that's my people.

• 2:51:08Speaker 03

  It's my people too.

• 2:51:09Joe Rogan?

  We're goofy.

• 2:51:10Speaker 03

  Nipali dan. Gisirishikifah.

• 2:51:15Joe Rogan?

  What about the Richard structure?

• 2:51:17Speaker 03

  You know, people ask me about that, the eye of the Sahara. I usually, I usually say, you know what? Go to Corsetti, go to Brighten Sight, go to Randall Carlson.

• 2:51:26Joe Rogan?

  Corsetti's the most, Randall Carlson doesn't believe that that was Atlantis.

• 2:51:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:51:30Joe Rogan?

  But Corsetti makes a very compelling case. Mountains to the north, river to the, to the south.

• 2:51:35Speaker 03

  The circular, the concentric rings.

• 2:51:37Joe Rogan?

  The concentric rings, the, the correct size.

• 2:51:39Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 2:51:40Joe Rogan?

  The fact that there's still salt on the ground there.

• 2:51:42Speaker 03

  I want to believe it.

• 2:51:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:44Speaker 03

  You know, I-

• 2:51:44Joe Rogan?

  And then there's like, when you pull back and you get the satellite image of the surface and it looks like it was just completely deluged.

• 2:51:51Speaker 03

  It does.

• 2:51:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:53Speaker 03

  Well, we know for a fact it was deluged.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:51:56Speaker 03

  It just, it doesn't line up with Atlantis. I mean, I mean Carlson has shown us that, how the surface of the, of Africa was just altered.

• 2:52:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:05Speaker 03

  By, by, you know, by the flood. So it all lines up. But there's all these leaps that we have to make. I enjoy making them.

• 2:52:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:52:14Speaker 03

  But, you know, on my show, I try to let people know, look, I connected some dots here. You know, I had to fill in some gaps with a little bit of creative license. But if you're interested, go pursue it, go learn more. I want that to be Atlantis.

• 2:52:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it seems like Atlantis was a real place. Because, you know, once they found out that Troy was a real place, Troy was also dismissed, right?

• 2:52:36Speaker 03

  Yes, it was.

• 2:52:36Joe Rogan?

  They found out now Troy actually existed. It doesn't seem like any of those stories were bullshit. It seems like they were historical accounts. And the thing about Plato's writings about Atlantis, he talks about it having existed 900 years prior, which lines up perfectly with the Younger Dryas.

• 2:52:56Speaker 03

  Right, and he learned it from an Egyptian priest who learned it from someone else. So the story goes back beyond Plato, if you believe Plato, which you can, you can believe Plato.

• 2:53:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was right about a lot of things. And it's just, it's so fascinating, we think of like that kind of historical record-keeping, that you're getting these depictions of what kind of a civilization existed thousands and thousands of years ago.

• 2:53:21Speaker 03

  Right, so what, you know, with Homer's Iliad, what did they think he was writing about? A fictional place? I mean, that was this, that was this...

• 2:53:28Joe Rogan?

  I said, I think I said 900 years, I meant 9,000 years.

• 2:53:31Speaker 03

  9,000, right, right.

• 2:53:32Joe Rogan?

  9,000 years, yeah. Which is like, first of all, like, how do you get 9,000 years of history 2,000 years ago? Like, what are you even getting?

• 2:53:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:53:40Joe Rogan?

  What, how are these stories, how are they documented? Like, how do they pass them? How do they pass them on? Like, who were the original people? What's the actual version of the story? Like, which one is more accurate? Epic of Gilgamesh, Noah's Ark? Which, like, something seems to exist in almost every ancient civilization.

• 2:54:01Speaker 03

  They all have a flood myth.

• 2:54:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:54:03Speaker 03

  And, you know, Gilgamesh and Noah's Ark, it sounds, they're very similar stories. And there are other cultures that have a Noah's Ark story.

• 2:54:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, that's, that's my favorite currently. I've seen like a ton of videos and I think Jimmy Corsetti does the best job about the Rashart structure, but he's all in on it.

• 2:54:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:54:25Joe Rogan?

  And I think, like, it doesn't look natural.

• 2:54:28Speaker 03

  No, it doesn't.

• 2:54:28Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't. It looks like exactly, and it's like, what a coincidence that it matches the dimensions of Atlantis as described.

• 2:54:37Speaker 03

  And it's in the right place. So, you know, when people argue for Bimini, Bimini being Atlantis is like, nah, they didn't know what any of that was, but they knew what North Africa was.

• 2:54:46Joe Rogan?

  Right. And also, it's so close to Egypt. It's so close to what we already know was a super advanced civilization that existed.

• 2:54:55Speaker 03

  There's been no excavations of that?

• 2:54:57Joe Rogan?

  I don't believe so. Of the Rashart structure? Yeah, I'm reading all about it. Uh, what, what have they done? Like, deep?

• 2:55:04Speaker 04

  1974 was discovered. They found artifacts. I'm looking right now, so I was about to show you some. This isn't a great example, but there's other, this isn't it, uh, another eye that looks similar to it in the same area.

• 2:55:18Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:55:19Speaker 04

  And then the comments say that there's even two or three of these.

• 2:55:22Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:55:23Speaker 04

  Um, and I was reading, uh, Stephen Novella's breakdown of Jimmy's video. He says he's leaving out some known facts, like there was a canal that connected each of the circles that isn't apparent in the Rashart structure. But those are the things I was just getting at right now.

• 2:55:40Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:55:40Speaker 03

  But this looks like canals.

• 2:55:43Speaker 04

  Well, that's a different one. This isn't the Rashart structure.

• 2:55:44Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 2:55:45Joe Rogan?

  Show the Rashart structure.

• 2:55:46Speaker 03

  And the Rashart structure is strange because the coloration is different than the rest of the, uh...

• 2:55:49Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm. That was also the depictions of the colors of the rocks is the same. Red and black. Yeah, like, that is fucking crazy. That's crazy.

• 2:55:58Speaker 03

  It is.

• 2:55:59Speaker 04

  The one guy who found artifacts said there was, there was some stuff like out here on the outer circles, but not very many inside.

• 2:56:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, the question is like, how big was the catastrophe and how much would be left? And what would you actually see? You know, like, how much was the structure altered by whatever the fuck happened?

• 2:56:19Speaker 03

  Right, so when we talk about ancient advanced civilizations, we're not talking about more advanced than us, we just mean advanced.

• 2:56:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:56:26Speaker 03

  So people will say, "Well, where's their plastic? Where's their..."

• 2:56:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it doesn't have to be the same kind of advanced.

• 2:56:33Speaker 03

  It doesn't.

• 2:56:34Joe Rogan?

  Combustion engines, all the different things that we've done, electronics, like, we're just assuming that technology always goes in the exact same path. But it's, whatever the fuck they were doing, whatever we know they were doing in Egypt was extraordinary with, in terms of like, their ability to core the drills. When they have these cores that they, like, high-speed drills that seem to be, if not diamond tipped, something of a similar vein that allowed them to dig into that fucking granite like that, like...

• 2:57:02Speaker 03

  Right, how did they generate 2,000 RPMs or whatever?

• 2:57:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:57:05Speaker 03

  How could they do that?

• 2:57:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's all freaky, man. It's like, the history, I mean, Graham has the best depiction. He said, "We are a species with amnesia."

• 2:57:15Speaker 03

  That's the perfect way to say it. You know, it's a shame that he's marginalized, but I like that Netflix is stuck by him and gonna keep bumping those out.

• 2:57:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, the facts are the facts, you know, just the structures that he's uncovering, when you're looking at Gunnam Padang, when you're looking at all these different places, when you look at, you know, just Machu Picchu, all these different places. Like, what the fuck was going on? Like, why is this stuff so complex? Why is it so fascinating?

• 2:57:40Speaker 03

  And why aren't we allowed to ask? Why aren't we allowed to investigate it?

• 2:57:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:57:45Speaker 03

  Remember when Ancient Apocalypse, season one, came out, there was a British newspaper said Graham Hancock is the most dangerous man in the world. Because of the whites-

• 2:57:56Joe Rogan?

  Those guys are just dumb asses. Well, they always want to connect it to white supremacy, which is so crazy, because Graham Hancock is the furthest from a white supremacist, you know? He's married to a woman of color, he's like, he's like the sweetest, nicest guy, he's a vegan.

• 2:58:11Speaker 03

  Of course. He never said they were white folks.

• 2:58:14Joe Rogan?

  No, he said, "No one says that."

• 2:58:16Speaker 03

  And who cares? I just want to know who they were.

• 2:58:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, they couldn't be white folks, because white folks don't live there.

• 2:58:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:58:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, if they're Egyptians, they're Africans.

• 2:58:23Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:58:24Joe Rogan?

  The Africans were the most sophisticated civilization that we have ever seen that existed at that point in time. We don't know if they're as sophisticated as we are, but we know they did some stuff back then that we're not capable of today.

• 2:58:38Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 2:58:38Joe Rogan?

  And that's real.

• 2:58:39Speaker 03

  It is.

• 2:58:39Joe Rogan?

  And we don't know how. We don't know what technology they had. But here's the thing. If it's not from 2,500 B.C., but it's really from 30,000 B.C., what do you think would be left? Like, only maybe the stone.

• 2:58:52Speaker 03

  That would be it.

• 2:58:53Joe Rogan?

  That's prob- that's part of the problem.

• 2:58:55Speaker 03

  I mean-

• 2:58:55Joe Rogan?

  Steel, any kind of metal-

• 2:58:57Speaker 03

  It'd be gone.

• 2:58:57Joe Rogan?

  Gone.

• 2:58:57Speaker 03

  It would only take 100 years for Manhattan to be covered by vegetation.

• 2:59:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:59:03Speaker 03

  A thousand years, the skyscrapers would crumble.

• 2:59:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:59:07Speaker 03

  10,000 years, it'd all be washed away.

• 2:59:08Joe Rogan?

  Right. 100,000 years, you're not gonna see jack shit.

• 2:59:11Speaker 03

  Nothing.

• 2:59:11Joe Rogan?

  Nothing, yeah. Who was that, um, British archaeologist that we brought up the other day, Jamie? With the, um, where he has this, like, really good point. That human beings have been in essentially the same form for the last 300,000 years. Like, it's not outside the realm of possibility that we have achieved very high levels of sophistication multiple times, and have been knocked back down to the Stone Age again.

• 2:59:34Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 2:59:35Joe Rogan?

  By cataclysmic events.

• 2:59:36Speaker 03

  Right. And that makes a lot of sense to me. That it's just part of a cycle.

• 2:59:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:41Speaker 03

  You know, the doomsday clock is, it's kind of a real thing. Is that you just get to a level of technology where you just are too dangerous for your own good. We're not sophisticated enough for nuclear weapons. We're not smart enough to have those.

• 2:59:53Joe Rogan?

  No. Well, that's the hope, is that that's what the aliens are here for. To go, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.

• 2:59:58Speaker 03

  Right. Because they have.

• 3:00:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:00Speaker 03

  But then, why did they allow just the United States to detonate 60 something bombs?

• 3:00:06Joe Rogan?

  And- Well, here's the thing. Two of them that caused mass death, right? Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But that's also when the UFOs started showing up in mass. You know, and, you know, I have this comedy club called The Comedy Mothership. And the rooms are named Fat Man and Little Boy.

• 3:00:24Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 3:00:25Joe Rogan?

  And the reason why is because in UFO folklore, after those bombs were dropped, that's when the motherships started showing up.

• 3:00:31Speaker 03

  Right.

• 3:00:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:00:32Speaker 03

  And in some tests, you can see stuff in the sky, in the films. I think you can see something at Castle Bravo. Could be wrong, but there are some tests where you can see stuff in the sky. Like, what, what was that for a few frames? Like, they were keeping an eye on- I hope they are.

• 3:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that would be nice.

• 3:00:49Speaker 03

  Please.

• 3:00:50Joe Rogan?

  That'd be nice. Well, listen, AJ, I love your fucking show. You've provided me with hours and hours of entertainment. It's an awesome program. You do a really good job. It's really well done. I don't know who's doing it with you and how you promote, how you produce it, but you guys fucking kill it.

• 3:01:05Speaker 03

  Thanks, man. Great team.

• 3:01:07Joe Rogan?

  It's a great show. The Y Files, it's available on YouTube. 4.73 million subscribers, so I'm not alone. And you guys have only been around for how many years now?

• 3:01:16Speaker 03

  2020.

• 3:01:18Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing. Five years and you already have almost 5 million subscribers.

• 3:01:22Speaker 03

  CIA is just backing it up.

• 3:01:24Joe Rogan?

  It's a great fucking show, that's what it is. So, I'm glad we finally did this.

• 3:01:28Speaker 03

  Appreciate you.

• 3:01:28Joe Rogan?

  Thank you very much, man. And if you ever got anything crazy, you want to break it here, we're ready for you. If you've got an episode coming out you want everybody to know about, come on back. I think we'll probably do this 100 times. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you. Alright, bye, everybody.

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