The New Corvette! Porsche Saves the Manual, Four Seat Lamborghini!

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• 0:49Doug DeMuro?

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• 0:54Speaker 03

  I'm Filippo.

• 0:55Doug DeMuro?

  I'm Doug. And let's start with the news. The biggest news of the week is key. Filippo?

• 1:02Speaker 03

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• 1:03Doug DeMuro?

  We got a new channel. A new channel. Producer Sean, along with other people who are very gifted, created a new YouTube channel for high-quality automotive content. Everybody's always like, why not more cinematic? Why not more quality? Why not invest real money into making good stuff? And I'm in the parking lot with my bad camera.

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• 1:41Doug DeMuro?

  There's great stuff coming. I've seen some upcoming key videos. They're awesome. This truly is a chance for producer Sean, who, by the way, is on the podcast next week. It's a big deal. This is a chance for producer Sean to let his creative juices flow and create some really high-quality, cool car stuff that's gonna be awesome. Are you excited?

• 2:02Speaker 03

  I'm incredibly excited.

• 2:03Doug DeMuro?

  Are you excited?

• 2:04Speaker 04

  Is it gonna be only about Alfa Romeos? There's gonna be other stuff, right? Because if it's just Sean, if you let him go, that's what you're gonna get.

• 2:09Speaker 03

  I don't even think there's an Alfa Romeo in the first few episodes.

• 2:11Speaker 04

  Wow. Well, there will be one eventually, but yes, I am excited.

• 2:14Doug DeMuro?

  It is good stuff. It's gonna be legitimately, wonderfully, excitingly good. I am tremendously excited about it. Sean has always... Well, Sean's gonna talk about this more next week on the pod, but Sean has always had all these great car content ideas. He's finally in a place to be able to do some of them, along with a fantastic team that we have. And go subscribe to this channel and check out our content. It is good.

• 2:37Speaker 03

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• 2:42Doug DeMuro?

  We're gonna pin a comment. Let's pin a comment. From now on, we're gonna pin a comment saying, "Go subscribe to Key." Until you do, I'll be watching you.

• 2:50Speaker 03

  You the police?

• 2:52Doug DeMuro?

  And Sting.

• 2:53Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 2:53Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Key. Key is big news. The other big news of the week, almost as big as Key, but not as big as Key, is...

• 3:00Speaker 03

  The Fila is dead.

• 3:02Doug DeMuro?

  So what happened to that PR person we were talking about last week?

• 3:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, you gotta assume that they're also dead.

• 3:06Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, dead.

• 3:07Speaker 03

  No, no, no. Obviously not. But I assume that they may know a longer job. The... We talked last week about this being likely. So Honda has stopped pretty much all of their EV initiatives. Sony Honda Mobility is no more. Sony Honda Mobility announced that they're gonna... They've decided to discontinue the development and launch of its first model and its second model collectively.

• 3:29Doug DeMuro?

  And all models.

• 3:30Speaker 03

  The models. It comes following discussions between its parent companies, the Sony Group Corporation and Honda Motor Co. They are throwing Honda massively under the bus in this entire statement for good reason.

• 3:41Doug DeMuro?

  Well, Honda's the one who makes cars. So without Honda, they can't make cars. Okay, I'm gonna... I wanna posit something. I have a question for you, Filippo. Kenan, you can take this one, too. We got the fellow in the office, the White House, the there, the Trump fellow.

• 3:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, the President of the United States, yeah.

• 3:54Doug DeMuro?

  President of the United States, the Trump guy. And things could be better.

• 3:59Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 3:59Doug DeMuro?

  Right? You can't get to an airport. You got Iran. You got the oil crisis forming.

• 4:07Speaker 00

  I get to airports all the time.

• 4:11Doug DeMuro?

  Pretty good. There, let's just say there's a possibility that the libs get their act together and find a decent candidate. Which is admittedly, we'll see. Yeah. But let's say that happens and the Trump fellow is gone. Yeah. Do you think that these companies that are turning their, and even right now, gas prices are shooting up. Do you think that these companies that are turning their backs on EVs may, it's either soon with the Iran situation, or sort of soon with maybe a new presidential administration. Do you think they might regret not developing EVs further? Yeah.

• 4:43Speaker 03

  I think they will. I mean, to be clear, Sony Honda Mobility. There were some concerns about their future regardless, had they produced the Fila 1 or the Fila 2 or the other models. I'm not sure that was ever viable, but I think that stopping that development will be really problematic. I think it will also, I mean Honda's doing this, every American automaker is also kind of taking the same path. And I think that we will see them regret that in the near future.

• 5:10Doug DeMuro?

  Now, do you think that Sony will regret that they can't be in the car business?

• 5:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, they'll keep making screens, they make technology. I want to legitimately read this because it's quite depressing. I want to read just one line.

• 5:22Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it was written by someone who's.

• 5:23Speaker 04

  Please illegitimately read that to us.

• 5:25Speaker 03

  Yeah. However, as a result of Honda's reassessment of its automobile electrification strategy announced on March 12th, Sony Honda Mobility will no longer be able to utilize certain technologies and assets that were originally planned to be provided by Honda. It does not have a viable path forward.

• 5:40Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah.

• 5:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:42Doug DeMuro?

  No one's surprised. A Fila is done.

• 5:43Speaker 03

  To be fair, it didn't have a viable path forward with Honda's technology, so.

• 5:47Doug DeMuro?

  We've been laughing about a Fila since they announced pricing, since they announced models. Like if you, I'm going to tell you something, if you want to be successful as an EV automaker, this ain't it.

• 5:56Speaker 03

  No, it was very technology heavy.

• 5:58Doug DeMuro?

  This ain't it. It ain't happening. This is not the car. Okay?

• 6:01Speaker 03

  The good news is that Sony Honda Mobility will continue discussions with Sony and Honda regarding its future business plans.

• 6:06Speaker 04

  It is so interesting because like Apple for a long time had considered making, or decided no.

• 6:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:11Speaker 04

  Which I think was kind of, it was, and they lost, they had invested a lot of R and D and decided not to do it. Sony decides to go. And do this and fails miserably at it before it even starts before it even becomes something.

• 6:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 6:22Speaker 04

  There is, it is not easy to develop a car. I think a lot of tech companies look at it and think, oh, it's a skateboard platform.

• 6:27Doug DeMuro?

  That fellow from South Africa did it, though.

• 6:29Speaker 04

  That fellow from South Africa did do it. He started with a Lotus.

• 6:32Doug DeMuro?

  But also the guy from Florida who we talked to on this very podcast, that day that it was hot.

• 6:36Speaker 03

  RJ.

• 6:36Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, yeah.

• 6:37Speaker 04

  He did it.

• 6:38Doug DeMuro?

  What about that? And the Saudis are doing it today with Lucid.

• 6:41Speaker 03

  It is, I, I.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  Sort of.

• 6:43Speaker 03

  It's interesting to see the Japanese automakers kind of not really innovate in this space in a meaningful way.

• 6:49Speaker 04

  It is interesting. It is interesting.

• 6:51Doug DeMuro?

  The Japanese are like, we don't need EVs.

• 6:53Speaker 03

  Yeah. Meanwhile, Nissan really excelling. Honda now has had, has had multiple quarters of quite poor results.

• 6:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yesterday, I came to an intersection. I came to a stop sign and a fellow in an Aria got there after me, but he.

• 7:06Speaker 03

  Discontinued.

• 7:06Doug DeMuro?

  Floored slamming his brakes, get to the stop sign, floored it through the intersection, he turned without his turn signal. I was like, you know what? Guy's got an Aria. I'm gonna let him do his thing. You know what I mean?

• 7:14Speaker 03

  Discontinued, though, so he's.

• 7:15Doug DeMuro?

  That's kind of what's my thinking. It's like if you're at the point in your life where you got an Aria, you got, you know what? You drive it like that, sir. You need that. I'm giving you that.

• 7:23Speaker 03

  I do wonder, there are a lot of one-year-only EVs. The, the Fila never made it to one year, but there are a lot. And you gotta kind of wonder if these will become desirable later in life.

• 7:32Doug DeMuro?

  They will not ever become desirable, but you do wonder about support. Like, there are definitely people who bought some of these EVs, assuming that, like, especially retired people who are assuming this is gonna be maybe their last car. That like it was, they've sold reliability and their, their mile of juice case has gone down and all that. And so they ended up getting themselves into stuff like a BZ4X, although that technically hasn't been canceled yet.

• 7:51Speaker 03

  It's a BZ now.

• 7:52Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Or a Prologue or which is ZDX.

• 7:55Speaker 03

  Indeed, canceled. And problematic because it's not a Honda product, really.

• 7:58Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 7:58Speaker 03

  So poor dealers are gonna have to support a two-year product.

• 8:01Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Right.

• 8:02Speaker 03

  Forever.

• 8:03Doug DeMuro?

  With GM architecture and that's, try explaining that to some old person who bought one. You actually have to take this down the street to John Smith's Chevy. And they're like, what? I bought a Honda because it was reliable.

• 8:14Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 8:14Doug DeMuro?

  That's gonna be a weird situation. Anyway, good luck to that. No surprise about a Fila, literally zero. I would have called this the day that it was first announced. In fact, you first told me about it on this very podcast. We could go back and watch the clip, but I, I have a suspicion I wasn't particularly supportive.

• 8:28Speaker 03

  No, it talked to you, though, or something.

• 8:30Doug DeMuro?

  Dude, if it looks like that.

• 8:32Speaker 03

  It did.

• 8:33Doug DeMuro?

  It could, it could.

• 8:34Speaker 03

  They ran a lot.

• 8:34Doug DeMuro?

  It could whisper you sweet nothings.

• 8:36Speaker 03

  They ran a lot of ads that tried to connect Sony cameras to the, it was.

• 8:41Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I

• 8:42Speaker 04

  It just doesn't.

• 8:43Doug DeMuro?

  I have a Sony cam. Now that I think about it, I have a Sony cam.

• 8:45Speaker 03

  Oh, so you're a fan of Sony hot mobility?

• 8:46Doug DeMuro?

  I feel bad now for this company.

• 8:48Speaker 04

  Well, actually, all of the cameras that's being filmed right now, all of those are Sony cameras.

• 8:51Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God. This company we love.

• 8:54Speaker 04

  We love the cameras. Stick to the cameras.

• 8:56Doug DeMuro?

  We don't realize how integrated they are into our lives. It's like when Circuit City tried to make a car dealership.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  Right. As High School Musical taught us, you should stick to the stuff you know.

• 9:07Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, let's move on to the next news story, which is the new Corvette Grand Sport. Surely this must be an exciting moment for Filippo, the resident Corvette enthusiast.

• 9:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is. We talked a few weeks ago, there was a spy shot on like a pullout on Angeles Crest, or something like that, of a Grand Sport. And indeed, the Grand Sport is coming. They announced it at Sebring. More details will come between the time you're watching this and the time we're filming. Like, theoretically, more details are being announced tomorrow.

• 9:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yesterday.

• 9:33Speaker 03

  Yesterday for you.

• 9:34Doug DeMuro?

  You know more than we do. How does it feel to live in the future?

• 9:37Speaker 03

  And therefore, we don't have much to say.

• 9:40Doug DeMuro?

  No, but we do know that it has little red stripes on one corner like other Grand Sports have.

• 9:44Speaker 03

  Blue, it's got the white stripes.

• 9:45Doug DeMuro?

  We do know also that they have continued to tamp down rumors of a manual transmission.

• 9:49Speaker 03

  They have said very clearly that there is not a manual coming. That there were rumors of it because a supplier had made a manual that could theoretically fit with the engine. But the chief engineer for Corvettes had made very clear that it's not coming.

• 10:06Doug DeMuro?

  For them. Now, the Tremec is supposedly making a transmission for swaps that's coming in two years.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 10:14Doug DeMuro?

  It'll be an interesting swap because of the center console design.

• 10:17Speaker 04

  Yeah, how do you make that work, all the buttons and?

• 10:19Speaker 03

  Okay, I will say, it's quite an interesting quote. So Tony Roma is the Corvette engineer, is the chief Corvette engineer, right? And his quote says, "Tremec showed something at SEMA last year that I wish they wouldn't have shown. It's not real." So I it's rare for an automaker to throw their larger one of their larger suppliers under the bus. Maybe it doesn't actually exist. Maybe it's not production ready.

• 10:41Doug DeMuro?

  Chevy is probably perpetually a little bit disappointed by the persistent rumor that there's going to be a manual transmission in this car, possibly because a manual transmission would really be a really strong asset to this car. This is a fantastic car, one of the best sports cars on the market. It'd be cool if it had three pedals.

• 10:57Speaker 04

  I couldn't agree with you more. Mid-engine, V8, manual. I mean, that is-

• 11:01Doug DeMuro?

  Especially because GM is so committed to manuals and other performance cars. Camaro had one right up until the end. The Blackwings got one, the both four and five.

• 11:08Speaker 04

  And their take rates must have been pretty decent on those, I would think. Like, people-

• 11:11Speaker 03

  Apparently, late C7 manual take rate was absolutely low.

• 11:15Speaker 04

  Well-

• 11:16Doug DeMuro?

  Do you mean abysmal?

• 11:17Speaker 03

  I know, I said it very poorly. I sounded wrong.

• 11:19Speaker 04

  English is the second language, don't forget.

• 11:21Speaker 03

  Abysmal low, excuse me. Very low, and that's part of the-

• 11:24Speaker 04

  Sure, but the market, I mean, the demand for it's there, like-

• 11:27Doug DeMuro?

  I would also argue, this is an argument that I would provide to Tony Roma and one of his restaurants. I would say, look, I would say, look, I would say, I totally agree that the C7 demand for manuals was low, but the C8 is reaching a totally different kind of buyer. It's a, I presume it's a younger buyer. There is more youth interest in this car than I have ever seen before. It is much more a performance car buyer who actually probably wants to exploit the capabilities of the vehicle as opposed to some of the C7 owners that we know.

• 11:59Speaker 03

  They would argue is faster shifting.

• 12:00Doug DeMuro?

  Totally, but who want to enjoy it, etc. I mean, you look at Porsche, you see what's going on there. I wouldn't be surprised if-

• 12:06Speaker 03

  Two manual models.

• 12:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but GT3s, it's like all anybody wants. It's a distinction between whether the car is successful on the used market or not. The real enthusiasts are going after them. They're selling for 20, 30% more on the secondary market. Not that I'm saying that would happen to C8, but there's certainly demand, especially for C8 relative to C7. I totally understand C7 take rate was low. I think that was more of the boomer jean short kind of buyer. I think the C8 buyers are a little bit different.

• 12:32Speaker 04

  But it doesn't have to be offered with every model. Like, a manual Z06, like, I think we can all get behind that that would be a pretty incredible car.

• 12:38Doug DeMuro?

  I would even be into a manual Grand Sport, presuming the Grand Sport is like other Z06s, which is, or other- Previous Corvettes, which is that it has some of the ZO6 upgrades, not the powertrain. That would be a pretty cool car.

• 12:48Speaker 03

  By the way, there's talk of for the first time there being two Grand Sport models. There are rumors that there'll be a Grand Sport X, which is the E-Ray, rebranded as a Grand Sport X.

• 12:58Doug DeMuro?

  Hey, anything they can do to justify the investment in the E-Ray? Pull up the C4 Grand Sport. I want to talk about this first.

• 13:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I've never loved the C4 Grand Sport.

• 13:06Doug DeMuro?

  The C4 Grand Sport is my all-time favorite Corvette.

• 13:08Speaker 04

  We sold it in Grand. Sorry, I didn't.

• 13:11Doug DeMuro?

  Grand.

• 13:12Speaker 03

  It's not an.

• 13:13Doug DeMuro?

  He's not a giant Corvette enthusiast like me.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  He's a Maserati grand.

• 13:17Doug DeMuro?

  This is my all-time favorite Corvette. I love this car.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  More than the C4 ZR1?

• 13:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 13:24Speaker 04

  Really?

• 13:24Doug DeMuro?

  C4 Grand Sport is the coolest-looking Corvette of all time. It came out the very final model year of C4. It just balled out.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  355?

• 13:35Doug DeMuro?

  I love the C4 Grand Sport and I still to this day occasionally think about picking one out. And you know, we got this WS6 Bird in the office. Makes me want one of these even more. I want to get into some late 90s, early 2000s America. Let's go!

• 13:47Speaker 03

  Doug is ready for his jean shorts era.

• 13:49Doug DeMuro?

  Pull up the interior. This was not a jean shorts car. This is for connoisseurs. This is for real adults. Look at this red interior. You had this interior back in 96, you were somebody.

• 13:57Speaker 03

  Can you go back to the photo with the 355? Could we just agree that anybody that's actually buying a 355 should just buy a C4 Grand Sport?

• 14:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, especially because it's a roofie liftry offie.

• 14:06Speaker 03

  No.

• 14:07Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, move on to the next news story, please.

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• 16:41Doug DeMuro?

  Which is the C4 grand, oh, Lamborghini. Okay, Road and Track is reporting, Road and Track, uh, famous magazine, or possibly they're not a magazine anymore. They're reporting that the fellow who runs the Lamborghini there, Stefan Winkelman.

• 16:55Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 16:56Doug DeMuro?

  Or Stefan, if you want to call him.

• 16:57Speaker 04

  Best jet CEO in the world.

• 16:58Doug DeMuro?

  He, uh, he, he's, they, Rodent Truck was talking to him at the 12 Hours of Sebring, and he said that they're continuing to work on EVs, they're not sure, and blah, blah, blah. But what we're missing is a grand touring car, a two-door, two-plus-two. Now, this surprises me because Ferrari has had this in their lineup for decades, and it has never been successful, ever. It's always been the car that they make you buy if you want to get a nicer car.

• 17:24Speaker 04

  It's one of them. You gotta get a, you gotta get a Roma, and you gotta get that. They've added more to the lineup.

• 17:28Doug DeMuro?

  But back in the day, it was the one. Like, if you bought a 612, they would have a conversation with you about some high-performance something else.

• 17:34Speaker 04

  Yes, and everybody loves to say that was the car that old man Ferrari loved himself, the two-plus-twos, like, that was it.

• 17:39Doug DeMuro?

  Enzo, the last shot of Enzo driving a car, he's in a 412. Or is it a Peugeot? Anyway, the point is, the point is, that Lambo says they're missing this. Aren't you astonished to hear this?

• 17:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, because realistically...

• 17:52Doug DeMuro?

  A two-door, two-plus-two?

• 17:53Speaker 04

  Right. What I feel that, like, you know, covers the two-plus-two thing for them is the Urus. Like, that is, like, and they sell...

• 17:58Speaker 03

  That's a large SUV.

• 17:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, but they sell, because that's what the market wants.

• 18:02Doug DeMuro?

  That's what the market wants. Who's looking for two-door, two-plus-twos anymore? Who? Is there anyone out there in the world? You know, whenever we say these hypotheticals, and people get in the comments, like, "Actually, I'm looking for a $13,000 two-wheeled pickup truck." I bet you no one's gonna get in these comments and be like, "Yeah, I want a $380,000 two-door, four-seat Lamborghini."

• 18:21Speaker 03

  But that's every 9/11.

• 18:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, basically. Yeah, because those people are cross-shopping Lamborghinis.

• 18:27Doug DeMuro?

  Is Lamborghini gonna hop in at the $90,000 price point?

• 18:30Speaker 03

  A 9/11 is $125.

• 18:32Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, are they gonna hop in at the $125 price point?

• 18:34Speaker 04

  No, it's a $400-something-dollar car.

• 18:37Speaker 03

  They also said in that same interview that they've ruled out a sedan and a small SUV.

• 18:40Speaker 04

  Well, that makes sense. You know, well, you remember the sedan, the Estoke?

• 18:43Doug DeMuro?

  Of course, pull it up. Pull it up. I still have, to this day, I have a Hot Wheels of it. My kids play it all the time. It's incredible. You know this car?

• 18:50Speaker 03

  The Estoke, yeah.

• 18:51Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 18:51Speaker 04

  Estoke.

• 18:52Speaker 03

  This could've happened, and then Filippo screwed it all.

• 18:55Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:56Speaker 03

  I went into their headquarters and said, "Do not build this."

• 18:59Speaker 04

  You did, but... That I think that is so cool.

• 19:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:02Speaker 04

  That was just before Aventador, so got all that.

• 19:05Doug DeMuro?

  At the front end. Honestly, the Lambo design, like so many of these cars, the design language translates so much better to a four door sedan than it did to an SUV.

• 19:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:12Doug DeMuro?

  The Urus was, has still after 10 years, never been attractive. This car looked cool.

• 19:17Speaker 04

  Still, look at that flare that comes out of the rear door for the.

• 19:20Doug DeMuro?

  Lambo did it right, though, by not making this car. They probably got close. I mean, this looks pretty production.

• 19:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 19:25Doug DeMuro?

  And in the end, they were like.

• 19:26Speaker 03

  They were right not to. I mean, it wouldn't have been.

• 19:28Doug DeMuro?

  It was the wrong time. It was the recession. And then a couple of years after go by, after the recession, the markets start changing for SUVs and then they think about it.

• 19:36Speaker 04

  Really the recession? That looks so far ahead of its time.

• 19:39Doug DeMuro?

  I feel like it was 08.

• 19:40Speaker 04

  I think you're correct, but like that is.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  That's far ahead of its time.

• 19:43Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah, because these headlights kind of ended up on the Huracan, which was much later than 08. But very interesting.

• 19:49Doug DeMuro?

  Very interesting.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Nonetheless, I agree. This is a wild thing that they feel this is what they're missing.

• 19:54Speaker 03

  I, I kind of get it. I mean, they, they have a small two seat, two door car. They have a larger one, the, the, uh, Tamarara. They have the larger one, the Ruelto. What can you add? You already have an SUV.

• 20:06Doug DeMuro?

  Well.

• 20:07Speaker 03

  You, you add something that's maybe a little.

• 20:08Doug DeMuro?

  Offroad SUV. It wouldn't be a two plus two. No one's buying that. Name a car that's, where that's successful anymore. Mercedes, okay, but 125 grand.

• 20:17Speaker 03

  Or, or 250 for a turbo, right? You're, you're not that.

• 20:21Doug DeMuro?

  But that's, well, that's the Huracan or whatever it's called now, the John Tamarara.

• 20:24Speaker 03

  The Tamarara, yeah.

• 20:25Doug DeMuro?

  If they're thinking about, it's interesting. If they're thinking about a two plus two as a Ferrari California competitor, that's a different conversation.

• 20:30Speaker 03

  I would. What's the Ferrari California called now? It's not the Portofino.

• 20:33Doug DeMuro?

  The Roma.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  The Roma Spider. And then there's the, uh, the, um, uh, Amalfi.

• 20:37Speaker 03

  Amalfi, that's what it's called now. They, they keep moving to different coasts.

• 20:40Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, if, if they're talking about that, that's interesting. It's a different market from the angled Lamborghini design.

• 20:47Speaker 03

  That's true. Yeah.

• 20:47Doug DeMuro?

  Into the Roma, which is like a relaxed kind of old guy in Newport Beach kind of car. Interested to see, hey, pull up the Lamborghini Portofino, if you will.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry, what?

• 20:56Doug DeMuro?

  The Lamborghini Portofino. I got a trivia question for you on this one. The Lamborghini.

• 21:00Speaker 03

  If it's not.

• 21:01Doug DeMuro?

  Portofino. Pull up the, pull up a picture of this.

• 21:03Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 21:03Doug DeMuro?

  Take.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  Chrysler Lamborghini Portofino.

• 21:06Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, what car do you see in that?

• 21:08Speaker 03

  I see a lot of Dodge and.

• 21:08Doug DeMuro?

  Dodge and Treppen. You know, Chrysler and Lamborghini were best pals at this era, then one loaned the other, who knows who. And they, this is a Lambo concept car. And they took the Lambo concept and they made a Dodge and.

• 21:20Speaker 04

  It had dual scissor doors?

• 21:22Doug DeMuro?

  It had dual scissor doors. Yeah.

• 21:24Speaker 04

  That's nuts.

• 21:26Doug DeMuro?

  Can you imagine? That must have worked terribly. How could that make any sense?

• 21:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, it does make sense for Ingress and Egress to a degree. Both of us completely get out of the way.

• 21:34Doug DeMuro?

  That Koenigsegg I drove was like, oh no, it had one giant one.

• 21:37Speaker 04

  But imagine having to close this. What do you go like?

• 21:40Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's insane especially because they must hinge on each other. So does that mean you have to close them at the same time?

• 21:44Speaker 04

  You close the back. Well, that's a good point.

• 21:48Doug DeMuro?

  Or they latch on each other. Obviously, maybe they latch on the bottom somehow, which probably isn't allowed.

• 21:53Speaker 04

  Not structurally so good, but yeah.

• 21:56Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, that is cool. That was the Lamborghini Portofino, which became the Dodge Intrepid. Think about that.

• 22:02Doug DeMuro?

  Boy, will I. Nothing else to think about.

• 22:05Speaker 04

  Next news story, please. Ah, yes, on the topic of manual transmissions. Porsche, as we know, sold lots of manual transmissions. Recently, a patent had come out. Now, this isn't a new pen. This was actually submitted in 2024, but this is the first time that we're hearing about it. Do you remember the Koenigsegg ESS transmission where you'd have an automatic and a manual at the same time?

• 22:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I remember they talked about it. Is that real?

• 22:24Speaker 04

  That's real. Now, Porsche also believes that you can do this, and they filed a patent for this. So the idea is that you have a lever that you can select automatic mode like anything else, or you can put it into manual mode and have a traditional H pattern. Now, it's not actually connected to the transmission. This is a totally separate unit that would be shift by wire, which I'm sure Porsche purists will be very upset about, which I kind of understand. But nonetheless, like, they're looking at this. You have to imagine because they're thinking for EVs, it could be something that they're gonna offer.

• 22:53Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna give you some bad news here. This is an EV transmission.

• 22:55Speaker 04

  I agree with that. That was my analysis of that. However, I'm still, I think it would be kind of cool still to be able to shift gears in an EV.

• 23:01Doug DeMuro?

  Totally.

• 23:02Speaker 04

  Because if there's anything that the Ioniq 5N proved to you and I, it's that shifting it that way feels pretty organic and really cool. And even if we're forced to have EVs one day, if we can still row our own and they build the parameters where it can feel like a manual and engaging. I think that's kind of, that's pretty cool technology.

• 23:18Doug DeMuro?

  Totally.

• 23:19Speaker 04

  So I'm really curious to see if this comes to fruition. I mean, just because it's a patent does not mean they're going to make it. But I suspect we're going to see this in Porsche EVs in the future.

• 23:28Doug DeMuro?

  It makes sense in EVs. Porsche has already hinted a few times that the Hyundai and shifting thing is something that they're interested in. They're looking into, etc. This has been talked about. It would make sense for Porsche, for whom people love the physical act of shifting so much, not just the paddles and the sounds, the physical thing, to develop, to be the ones who develop a manual for that purpose.

• 23:50Speaker 04

  I agree. And of course, with the EV Cayman and Boxer, it's like this seems like a very natural thing to integrate into that and will upset us a lot less. So we'll see.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  Maybe. It depends on how well it's done. Apparently, they would use electric motors and springs to give the shifter feedback and have interfaces of the engine.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  If any company can be trusted to judge that correctly, it is Porsche. Porsche and Honda make the best shifters in the business.

• 24:12Doug DeMuro?

  Totally. Although I do wonder about, the early integrations of this, I suspect, will be interesting and maybe look back like they have with SMT and its weird quirks. I wouldn't be surprised if this is looked back on someday as like, huh, that was a weird.

• 24:25Speaker 04

  Maybe, but maybe, maybe it will be the beginning of something that flourishes into something else. Who knows? But we'll find out. I just love that unlike GM, Corvette understands they need to be offering manual transmissions in their sports cars.

• 24:37Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, there you go. They're looking at a manual automatic.

• 24:41Speaker 03

  I know. I've always loved this idea, conceptually.

• 24:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Do you remember the MR2 with the SMT?

• 24:48Speaker 03

  I don't.

• 24:48Doug DeMuro?

  What car was it that had a pattern but no clutch? That was a Saab?

• 24:51Speaker 03

  There was a Saab, but there's also some Citroen that also had that same concept.

• 24:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, don't forget the Ferrari Veyron.

• 24:56Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, that's right. The Veyron Ferraris, of course, had.

• 24:59Speaker 04

  Porsche did that also.

• 25:00Doug DeMuro?

  Porsche had Sportomatic.

• 25:02Speaker 04

  Sportomatic. Didn't that not have a clutch? I don't think that had a clutch.

• 25:04Doug DeMuro?

  It didn't have a clutch, but was it a pattern?

• 25:05Speaker 03

  No, I think it was a pattern. There were a few, yeah. That works even more.

• 25:09Doug DeMuro?

  The Ferrari Veyron, the F40 Veyron.

• 25:11Speaker 04

  The F40 Veyron built for the Agnelli family, just one of them.

• 25:14Doug DeMuro?

  But I would.

• 25:15Speaker 03

  That's the F40 we want.

• 25:16Speaker 04

  Right. That's right. The only automatic F40. I wonder where that car is.

• 25:20Doug DeMuro?

  Probably worth 5X what a manual one is. Gianni Agnelli's personal car. In the later years, he's taken all his mistresses in it.

• 25:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, just imagine watching him try to get into that car toward the end would have been really rough. And then he puts it in, you know, he just, it's just a bias. Very impressive.

• 25:39Speaker 03

  It's a lot of technology for him.

• 25:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, but nonetheless, very cool.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:43Speaker 04

  On the next news story.

• 25:45Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, this is a big one, folks. The Nissan Z has been given a minor facelift and Filippo and Sis, we talk about it.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  It is a minor facelift, but it is a facelift. And also crucially, uh, there's a new paint color, which is unreal green.

• 26:00Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, it is unreal. No one's gonna buy it. That's why it's unreal.

• 26:03Speaker 03

  Unreal. Unreal. I don't know. I don't speak English good. But much, much more importantly, uh, the Nismo Z will have a manual transmission.

• 26:12Doug DeMuro?

  The Nismo Z is finally getting a manual, which it should have had from day one. It's too little, too late, though, because, um.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Is it?

• 26:17Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 26:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, dude, no one's buying this car. This is the end of the Z. Do you have any, do you have any epilogue you want to give to the Z? A eulogy, perhaps, or maybe an un- un- yuru, as you say?

• 26:28Speaker 03

  Uh, no, no, no eulogy. I've never really felt that strongly about the car. But I am excited the Nismo, which by all accounts drives quite well, will have a manual and be a little more engaging.

• 26:36Doug DeMuro?

  In 03, when I was a 15-year-old and the Z came out, changed the world.

• 26:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:42Doug DeMuro?

  It was the coolest car on the planet. And the G35 was the coolest other car on the planet. And this is like kind of a whimper. And you wonder if maybe Nissan should have put some money towards succeeding instead.

• 26:56Speaker 03

  Well, you know, they re- it, it, a couple of years ago, it was kind of exciting that they did anything with it. I know that they reused the same 370Z chassis and a lot of the same components to make the Z. No number this time, uh, a little bit more upgraded. And it looks great. It's a good-looking car. Don't see many of them. Maybe we'll see like two or three of these.

• 27:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:15Speaker 04

  I'm, I'm sad because I believe that it is a wonderful car. You've driven it. I mean, it's, it's a very competent car.

• 27:20Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:21Speaker 04

  And it is just so, such a shame that it was too little, too late with this thing.

• 27:25Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, it, it's so cool. I suspect it will in the end make money. Ultimately, they were using the platform of the old car and a lot of the technology, the old car.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  Back camera of the old car.

• 27:35Doug DeMuro?

  But that trick can only be used for so long. And it does show where we are with sports.

• 27:39Speaker 03

  I mean, that's pretty clearly that, right? Like you do one mid-cycle facelift, you let it run for another decade.

• 27:44Doug DeMuro?

  The fact that they didn't even bother with a convertible also kind of gives you an idea of how they feel the success has gone. All the previous, many of the previous these have had convertibles.

• 27:52Speaker 03

  But good news, new wheels.

• 27:54Doug DeMuro?

  New wheels, new, you can get unreal green, as Filippo calls it.

• 27:58Speaker 04

  I don't know if you've noticed, it's very hard to see in the picture, but the tires actually say Nissan on them. You can't really see it if it says Nissan.

• 28:04Doug DeMuro?

  How about that, Filippo?

• 28:05Speaker 04

  I don't know if that's something that they're actually parting with, or that's just a...

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Just Photoshop.

• 28:09Speaker 04

  I imagine that is just Photoshop.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  There's also a tan interior color.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Well, green tan, that is the color.

• 28:15Doug DeMuro?

  You know, many years ago, I was at the Porsche museum there. And there's a Porsche with Porsche crests in the tires.

• 28:22Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 28:23Doug DeMuro?

  And it also has, the top, it's a zipper.

• 28:26Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 28:27Doug DeMuro?

  It's called the Pan America, you want to look it up?

• 28:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 28:29Speaker 04

  Not, not really, but sure.

• 28:31Doug DeMuro?

  Pan Americana, I'm sorry, Pan Americana. Okay, now you're thinking to myself, there's no way this car has Porsche crests in the tires and the top is a zipper. That's what you're thinking, right?

• 28:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 28:41Doug DeMuro?

  Huh?

• 28:42Speaker 04

  Oh, this thing, yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 28:44Doug DeMuro?

  There's, there's the tires, zoom on in, you can see the Porsche crest in my back tire.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  Man, what a car.

• 28:51Doug DeMuro?

  All right, and then you go to the, you can see the roof, that purple is one giant zipper. And you can unzip it, drive it around. Yeah, I saw this once there at the museum.

• 29:01Speaker 03

  Are you sad they didn't make it?

• 29:03Doug DeMuro?

  I thought to myself, boy, this company's had some terrible ideas over the years.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  It's probably really light.

• 29:07Doug DeMuro?

  It's a wonder that this company still exists in any capacity. Look at it from the rear three quarters, that's the ugliest thing I've ever seen in my life.

• 29:13Speaker 03

  No, I've been good.

• 29:14Doug DeMuro?

  Looks like it got hit.

• 29:15Speaker 03

  It's somewhere between a nine, nine, three.

• 29:17Doug DeMuro?

  Probably it got hit because it lost traction due to the fact that the tires are Porsche crests.

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Also, those are some wide tires.

• 29:23Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they look wide.

• 29:24Speaker 04

  It has no body.

• 29:24Doug DeMuro?

  It has no body, yeah.

• 29:26Speaker 04

  Of course they look wide.

• 29:27Doug DeMuro?

  But the top is very light, so that's good.

• 29:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, right up until your zipper gets some stuff in it and then you can never use it like a YJ.

• 29:34Speaker 04

  You have to take it to the zipper guy, who's the zipper guy?

• 29:36Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, all right, that's, I don't know why that came up, but oh, the tires, love Porsche.

• 29:40Speaker 03

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• 30:24Speaker 03

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• 31:20Speaker 04

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• 31:30Doug DeMuro?

  Next story, please.

• 31:31Speaker 04

  Oh, this is something, Filippo?

• 31:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, we spoke last week about how a new Mercedes minivan is coming to America and was just revealed, which is a VLE. We've now gotten confirmation that there'll be a Maybach VLE, or the Maybach VLS, actually.

• 31:47Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 31:49Speaker 03

  It'll be larger than the VLE, obviously, you know, VLE, VLS. Maybe there'll be a VLC someday.

• 31:54Speaker 04

  VOG?

• 31:55Speaker 03

  But it will, all we know is that it will be a purpose-built VIP shuttle, and we think that it will have a lot of screens.

• 32:04Speaker 04

  Well, that's...

• 32:05Speaker 03

  And we can move on to the next news story.

• 32:07Speaker 04

  It's very compelling.

• 32:09Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, how exciting, a purpose-built VIP shuttle. So you don't have to build one yourself.

• 32:14Speaker 03

  A lot of people have converted the Metris into like a Maybach Metris. You reviewed one.

• 32:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 32:19Speaker 03

  Now, Maybach will make a large van themselves.

• 32:21Doug DeMuro?

  Their own van, which looks better and it's gonna be better. A Maybach van. This is, this is gonna be, it's $200,000 is the number that's being bandied about.

• 32:30Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 32:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, pretty big, but it's a purpose-built VIP shuttle and, most importantly, I can't wait to review one. Cause that video's gonna blow up. Sean, that Monstron's gonna be like, "Yeah, we hit the numbers, yeah."

• 32:42Speaker 03

  And also about a few years after it comes out, you can buy for $55,000.

• 32:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but can you imagine, Filippo, all this stuff, there's gonna be a fish tank in this van.

• 32:49Speaker 03

  There's gonna be a fish tank in this van. There better be, and it'll have a 100 miles range.

• 32:52Speaker 04

  Do you think they would ever do an AMG version of it and give us the R63 back in our lives?

• 32:57Doug DeMuro?

  Wow, wow.

• 32:58Speaker 03

  I bet they will, they will make a VLE, a Mercedes-Maybach VLS with EQ technology AMG.

• 33:06Doug DeMuro?

  Perfect.

• 33:06Speaker 03

  Or some combination of those words.

• 33:08Speaker 04

  Right, only 75 characters for the name.

• 33:10Doug DeMuro?

  You don't think this is pure electric?

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Of course it is, but they'll still call it with EQ technology, won't they?

• 33:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, Mercedes-Maybach VLS with EQ technology.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  No, but no, cause the, the, the, the electric, pure electrics, that don't share body.

• 33:25Doug DeMuro?

  I'm wondering if it isn't gonna, is, is the van fully electric? Do we know these vans, like the ID Buzz?

• 33:29Speaker 03

  The, the VLE has been revealed as fully electric. The VLS is technically a different model, so we don't know.

• 33:34Doug DeMuro?

  Man, you know what I hope they have? I hope they have cobblestone flooring.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  I bet they will.

• 33:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, that's, that was, there was a, uh, I believe it was a Cadillac that had that at one point.

• 33:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, famously.

• 33:46Speaker 04

  It was a rare option.

• 33:48Speaker 04

  Only ones come to market with it.

• 33:51Doug DeMuro?

  Be nice to see that here in the van. Next news story, please.

• 33:57Speaker 03

  All right, Jerry McGovern.

• 33:59Doug DeMuro?

  Jerry McGovern!

• 34:00Speaker 03

  Uh, he formerly of Jaguar.

• 34:03Doug DeMuro?

  Jaguar Land Rover, this is, sure, you are not giving enough credit.

• 34:06Speaker 03

  He designed the Defender, he designed the new Range Rovers, he's done it all.

• 34:10Doug DeMuro?

  He designed the new Defender. Jerry McGovern did a lot of stuff and he's, he's, he's just announced that he's leaving Jaguar Land Rover. We reported about six months ago that he had been fired and then like two weeks later, they were like, "Oh, no, he wasn't fired." "No, no, you're wrong."

• 34:23Speaker 04

  Oh, sorry.

• 34:25Doug DeMuro?

  Well, now he's finally decided he's retiring. He's 70 years old. He's gonna move on to his own.

• 34:29Speaker 03

  He's starting his own consultancy.

• 34:30Doug DeMuro?

  What all car designers do when they retire from car designing, they're gonna do a consultancy where they do a little bit of work designing the finishing touches of bread makers.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  For a lot of money.

• 34:39Doug DeMuro?

  For a lot of money.

• 34:40Speaker 03

  Works out.

• 34:41Doug DeMuro?

  And Jerry McGovern, and he's designed some of the all-time great vehicles, including, and this is what it says on his Wikipedia, he was the lead designer of the critically acclaimed Land Rover Freelander.

• 34:54Speaker 03

  That was a good-looking car.

• 34:55Doug DeMuro?

  Folks, we're losing this great mind to designing bread makers. This is, this is, oh, if we sold a Freelander.

• 35:02Speaker 03

  We have, of course.

• 35:02Doug DeMuro?

  How lovely. Jerry McGovern.

• 35:06Speaker 03

  It's a gun-looking car.

• 35:06Doug DeMuro?

  Jerry McGovern, that orange reflector, same as my Ford GT.

• 35:10Speaker 03

  I remember when these came out, and they were great-looking cars. I loved Freelander.

• 35:16Doug DeMuro?

  You know, that's true. They were actually good-looking.

• 35:17Speaker 03

  For the era of SUVs, something.

• 35:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's funny how they all disappeared.

• 35:22Speaker 03

  Has not aged. Well, they all disappeared because they were notoriously unreliable.

• 35:26Doug DeMuro?

  Unreal, horrible cars, absolutely horrible cars. In fact, if you bought this one, I'm sorry.

• 35:30Speaker 03

  I had a friend in Italy, whose mom had a Freelander when they came out. They were rich, obviously.

• 35:36Doug DeMuro?

  I remember in Philly, there was one in a consulate with Italian console plates, and it was a manual diesel.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 35:41Doug DeMuro?

  Those days are.

• 35:42Speaker 03

  By the way, there are a couple of other pieces of Jaguar news out this week.

• 35:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah.

• 35:45Speaker 03

  Ian Callum, who was a design director from 1999 to 2019.

• 35:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  And a famous person, revealed that they had designs for the, a new XF, a new XJ, a redesigned F-Type, and a redesigned FPace that were ready, I don't know if they were ready from an engineering perspective.

• 36:02Doug DeMuro?

  But they were ready.

• 36:03Speaker 03

  They were ready, and like, they were gonna move forward, and then at the end, they scrapped them all for the Type 00 concept.

• 36:08Doug DeMuro?

  Now, I want to be deferential to Ian Callum, because the man designed one of the all-time great vehicles ever, the Volvo C70.

• 36:17Speaker 03

  Which gen?

• 36:18Doug DeMuro?

  The good one.

• 36:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:20Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, like, yeah, he designed quite a few good cars. V8 Vantage.

• 36:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they were like. That was Peter Horbury. No, it's both of them. Regardless, Ian Callum did the DB7 too, which we have to give the man his credit, that is the finest $18,000 car you can purchase.

• 36:35Speaker 04

  Are they that much?

• 36:38Doug DeMuro?

  But, no, he did the F-type, which I think actually was a true contribution to modern car design and a bunch of other beautiful cars. Those cars wouldn't have sold. So like, it's great that they, it's great that they came up with, it's, everybody's so upset with Jaguar for going in this new direction. They were failing. A new XF wasn't gonna be it. If they had come out with a new XF, it wouldn't have been like the savior of the company. It wouldn't be sitting here being like Jaguar is good now, they redesigned the XF.

• 37:04Speaker 03

  Yep. Good looking car, though.

• 37:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it was good looking. They sold six of them.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  You know what was also a good looking car? The E-Pace, but nobody's ever seen one.

• 37:11Doug DeMuro?

  No, the E-Pace was not a good looking car.

• 37:13Speaker 03

  You don't like the E-Pace?

• 37:14Doug DeMuro?

  Stubby little thing. Ian Callum didn't touch that, I promise you.

• 37:17Speaker 03

  Regardless, Jaguar.

• 37:19Doug DeMuro?

  Jaguar, we'll see how that all shakes down. Again, been more than a year, still waiting for their new product onslaught to come. I have a suspicion we'll be waiting for a long time. In the meanwhile, Land Rover dealerships are still rocking, they still have good products such as the Discovery Sport.

• 37:34Speaker 03

  And the Evoque, sorry, the

• 37:36Doug DeMuro?

  Velar.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  The Velar, which is still available.

• 37:38Doug DeMuro?

  The Evoque have been forgotten about. Land Rover has forgotten that they produce them, but I'm here to tell you that they do.

• 37:43Speaker 03

  There is still a new Evoque, right? You can pull on?

• 37:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Okay, next news story, please.

• 37:48Speaker 04

  Mercedes-Benz, for those of you who truly noticed, we're not actually a Porsche podcast, we're a Mercedes-Benz podcast. Owner, owner, former owner, we have a lot, we love Mercedes-Benz. They have announced that, you remember, this came out last year, they announced that they were doing a concept AMG GT Track Sport. Not Track Leisure, Track Sport.

• 38:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, right.

• 38:08Speaker 04

  So now they have announced that they are going to do a Black Series, a new Black Series. We haven't had one since 2021, so we're kind of due. And then they're going to do a homologation version of that for GT racing specifically, which is really cool. Now, they've been talking about this for a while, we still don't have a lot of details on this, you should have read the press release, it was unbelievable, very difficult to read.

• 38:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I had it pulled up, it was complicated.

• 38:27Speaker 03

  What was the 2021 Black Series?

• 38:29Doug DeMuro?

  The AMG, the previous AMG GT Black Series.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  It was a serious car.

• 38:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, that is a serious car.

• 38:34Speaker 04

  It's a very serious car.

• 38:35Doug DeMuro?

  That is a no joke car.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  It looks modified from the factory, it's insane.

• 38:38Doug DeMuro?

  Pull it up. That was a really desirable, cool, special car.

• 38:41Speaker 04

  We see them occasionally.

• 38:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 38:43Speaker 03

  Really?

• 38:44Doug DeMuro?

  Huge weighing, yeah. You don't remember this? And so it set the Nürburgring production time, it may still stand.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  That thing.

• 38:51Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, that was called the black series. I thought it was called. There were various versions of that AMG GT, but the top, top, top, top, top, top, top topi was the black series.

• 39:00Speaker 04

  And it is wild. One of the craziest wings ever put on a road car until, actually, until the new GT3 RS, to be honest with you. Look at that wing. That's crazy. But anyway, a new black series is coming, and I do think it's cool that they're going to homologate and go GT3 racing with it. Now, they're testing the car currently. They've tested at the Nordschleife, or they've tested at Portimao, and a couple of the European tracks. So they're getting closer. Development is certainly getting there. It's gonna have a V8 engine, which is lovely to hear. But we do have a ways to go on this. They said the GT3 will be allegedly ready for the 2027 racing season, so we're close. But so some, you know, stay in the space. We'll certainly see more of it.

• 39:35Doug DeMuro?

  This, it gives a little credibility to the car. The previous black series had serious cred because of the Nürburgring time. It was a cool car. But going racing gives credibility to the car.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 39:45Doug DeMuro?

  Obviously, Mercedes-Benz, for 20 years now, has been looking at the 911, thinking, how do we get in on that? And they've been trying and trying and trying. And it's never really been successful. But this is one way to do it, is to go racing and then create a car based on the racing car. Obviously, Porsche does that with their GT3 and GT3 RS, which is massive success financially and weightless and reputationally.

• 40:04Speaker 04

  All homologation cars are cool. That you take for racing, they're all cool.

• 40:07Doug DeMuro?

  GR Yaris.

• 40:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, yes, that is a very.

• 40:11Doug DeMuro?

  GR Yaris.

• 40:12Speaker 04

  Yep. But this, I'm excited about. I love seeing another black series come to the lineage. So we'll see where this develops, but in the meantime, it's coming. And they gave us some colors, too.

• 40:22Doug DeMuro?

  Now, I actually, by the way, the new AMG GT is essentially an SL coupe. It's not the most desirable car. It's not as, it's not as cool as the previous gen. However, I think it looks better. And I do think that a GT version of the current AMG GT probably will look really cool. These spy shots give a preview of it, and they look pretty cool in the spy shots.

• 40:38Speaker 04

  They do.

• 40:39Doug DeMuro?

  Hopefully, they don't offer this color scheme.

• 40:41Speaker 03

  Maybe they should.

• 40:41Speaker 04

  You know what? Someone is gonna recreate this in Miami. They're gonna drive around looking like this.

• 40:45Speaker 03

  Totally, totally.

• 40:46Speaker 04

  But alright, next news story. So Rolls Royce has also announced something new. So they are introducing their coach build collection. Now, I don't know if you remember the sweet tail and the boat tail? Do you remember those?

• 40:56Speaker 03

  Absolutely. I think about them all the time.

• 40:58Speaker 04

  So they are now offering something along those lines. They're being a little bit cagey about what it is, but they said they wanted to bring their clients closer and bring them behind the scenes, be close to the engineers and experience. I love this. They said extreme weather conditions in their cars. Exactly what every Rolls Royce owner wants. Makes no sense. Like, the press release on this is one of the crazier ones I've read. But they said, uh, they said they'll be welcomed into the ateliers of master craftsperson from adjacent worlds within super luxury, whose dedication to perfection mirrors that of Rolls Royce.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Quite a quote.

• 41:30Doug DeMuro?

  God, AI.

• 41:31Speaker 03

  AI and PR are the worst combination that has ever existed in corporate world.

• 41:36Speaker 04

  I couldn't agree to you. It was like just hard to read. But nonetheless, I do think it is cool that they're offering more atelier program. Now, I'm hoping what this means is they're gonna do a lot more. It's, everything they said is gonna be based on the electric, like, that's the...

• 41:49Speaker 03

  Which makes sense. They've said that they will be fully homologated and road legal throughout the world. And so, start with EV. Makes that so much easier.

• 41:56Speaker 04

  Exactly. But to do, I love the idea of going back and doing coach building, like traditional one-off. I mean, that's...

• 42:04Doug DeMuro?

  Give me a Dario Francidi.

• 42:08Doug DeMuro?

  Dario's got a...

• 42:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, Dario knows this.

• 42:10Doug DeMuro?

  Race car driver. He's got a Rolls Royce Wraith with a, with a, with a shooting brake.

• 42:15Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 42:16Doug DeMuro?

  And let's do that. I'll take a Spectre shooting brake and I'll pay up to 125,000.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  Oh, tax that and you're maybe in the ballpark.

• 42:25Speaker 04

  I don't even, I don't even think. I can only imagine what they're gonna cost.

• 42:28Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think Dario paid one, five.

• 42:30Speaker 03

  They've said that the coach build collection will only be offered to clients with a deep affinity for Rolls Royce design.

• 42:35Doug DeMuro?

  In other words, very, very rich.

• 42:38Speaker 03

  In other words, anyone they can find who's willing to do it and has the money.

• 42:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 42:44Doug DeMuro?

  That's a translation of that, if you needed to hear.

• 42:46Speaker 04

  Deep, deep pockets. But nonetheless, very cool. And Rolls Royce as a brand. And makes a lot of sense to do this with.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  By the way, they also said that there'll be people that participate will be able to join the engineers at top secret test facilities. What top secret test facilities do you think Rolls Royce has?

• 43:01Doug DeMuro?

  Top secret.

• 43:02Speaker 04

  Yeah, top secret. What are they developing there? A new, a new, a new ashtray?

• 43:06Doug DeMuro?

  Top secret.

• 43:07Speaker 04

  They're developing a new Nurling.

• 43:09Speaker 03

  God, what a pres for these. Rolls Royce is really trying to get people into the whole thing.

• 43:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:12Speaker 03

  The British have that mystique though. Uh, all right. Is that our last news story?

• 43:16Speaker 04

  That is the end of the news.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  There is one more big news story for you.

• 43:18Doug DeMuro?

  There is. Say it.

• 43:19Speaker 03

  All right. After almost six years of

• 43:22Doug DeMuro?

  Six years.

• 43:23Speaker 03

  Touching every single auction that comes on Cars and Bets.

• 43:25Doug DeMuro?

  I touched them all.

• 43:26Speaker 03

  You touched them all. You wrote many Doug's takes. You, you, you edited many, many Doug's takes. The Doug's take is going away.

• 43:33Doug DeMuro?

  We're getting rid of the Doug's take this week. By the time you watch this, it won't be gone, but it's gonna be gone soon.

• 43:39Speaker 03

  Starting Monday.

• 43:40Speaker 04

  Hallelujah.

• 43:41Doug DeMuro?

  We've been writing these Doug's takes forever. So when the Doug's take first came out in the auctions, I wrote a little blurb. Yeah, pull up, pull up the Daytona. I wrote a little blurb about every car that went live. And usually it was like, this car is cool.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  Hold on, let me find your first car. Cause I'll find the very first auction that we did.

• 43:56Doug DeMuro?

  And it was always like, oh, we got a, oh, yeah, something going on.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  There it is. E sixty three.

• 44:01Doug DeMuro?

  First auction. There's my first Doug's take.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  I started out pretty tame.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  They start out so

• 44:05Doug DeMuro?

  Often they were just a sentence or two. They were cheeky. They were funny. But as we've grown and we're now selling like 50 cars a day, it's gotten to the point where it's not feasible to write anything meaningful. We, we've, how many E three nine M fives we sold? How many E forty six and threes we sold? Where you talk about the S fifty four six cylinder and their handling prowess.

• 44:21Speaker 04

  I could say something different about every third.

• 44:26Speaker 04

  I have, and he takes it all out.

• 44:28Doug DeMuro?

  But ultimately it just is not value additive anymore. Our community tells us they don't really read it anymore. They've become too generic. Because it's not really easy to add that much value. And so we're taking the Doug's takes out. Also, the comments, the community has grown so much that the comments provide what the Doug's take was intended to provide in the first place, which was like sort of this kind of personal, interesting tidbit. But the commenters know more about the individual cars than me.

• 44:53Doug DeMuro?

  And so the Doug's take's going away.

• 44:54Speaker 04

  Will it appear on any like really special cars?

• 44:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, but I'm I've decided I'm gonna comment more because I want to still make sure that I see all the cars. I still want to look at all the auctions. It's very important to me. With 35,000 auctions, something like that.

• 45:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, just about 36,000.

• 45:07Doug DeMuro?

  So, you know, it's still important to me. So I'm still gonna like be there and I'm gonna try to comment more. And like really be a part of it, but I'm certainly not. There was it just got silly that I'm every 100 series Land Cruiser. I'm talking about the combination of luxury and reliability and off-road capability. It's just not, it's not even believable. It's like silly.

• 45:26Speaker 03

  Fundamentally, it's become a blocker to sellers, right? Like you do an incredibly good job of touching every single listing.

• 45:31Doug DeMuro?

  But it takes often an extra day. I'm traveling. It takes.

• 45:34Speaker 03

  Just slows it down.

• 45:34Doug DeMuro?

  The cars are gonna be able to go through the process about probably about a day quicker on average since I don't have to. We don't have to wait for Doug anymore.

• 45:41Speaker 03

  And you get time back every single day to make better content, to make more content.

• 45:45Doug DeMuro?

  I actually bet in the end I won't get time back because I'm still gonna just be producing the listings to try to leave a little comment on the ones that I find the most interesting. But I think even that will be more appropriate for the purpose that Doug's take originally had. Like I'm actually saying something about the cars that are interesting, saying interesting things about the cars that are interesting. Rather than dropping on every car like, oh, it's finished in this cool color and has a clean car fac. There wasn't.

• 46:08Speaker 04

  It's offered with the thrill of no reserve.

• 46:10Doug DeMuro?

  That's right. That's right. It just got too generic. And I don't think anybody's gonna mourn the loss of this, but we wanted to tell you about it.

• 46:17Speaker 04

  No, I've been, we've, it's, we've been doing this for six years and for five of us have been begging to get rid of the Doug's take. I'm glad that it's, I'm glad that you will have some more freedom and you will still be involved with the cars. You're not going anywhere. So.

• 46:29Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 46:30Speaker 04

  It's exciting.

• 46:31Doug DeMuro?

  Now, we have a big talk cars segment today. But but first I want to tell you the talk cars segment is brought to you by the Mega Track. I'm sorry. I'm familiar, but I'm sorry. Can it pull up the Mega Track, please?

• 46:48Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, trust me, we've never sold one of them.

• 46:50Speaker 04

  I figured.

• 46:50Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, just type in Mega. Have you ever heard of this?

• 46:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 46:53Doug DeMuro?

  All right, the Mega Track, this is part of my.

• 46:55Speaker 04

  Was it CK?

• 46:56Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, space. Mega is actually the brand.

• 47:01Doug DeMuro?

  The Mega Track, pull up this picture.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  Yup.

• 47:04Doug DeMuro?

  There's some picture, oh here, pull up this picture, pull up the one, yes, this. The Mega Track was an off-road supercar that I believe was French. And they made maybe 1012. And it's huge.

• 47:18Speaker 03

  To be fair, why is that other?

• 47:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I think that car's there because I think it's another Mega.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  But it's like the small Mega. But it's lifted, so it's nice.

• 47:27Speaker 04

  That's even worse than like the big Mini.

• 47:30Doug DeMuro?

  It had suspension, so I pull back out, there's other great photos. The Mega Track, look at this, this photo here? The Mega Track is actually in the background.

• 47:41Doug DeMuro?

  You don't realize it, but it's huge.

• 47:44Speaker 03

  What powered this thing?

• 47:46Doug DeMuro?

  I don't remember, this one, this one here? Uh, on, on plates from Vienna in Austria, oh there, there, that picture. That one is seen in Monaco sometimes, but that picture, you can see how big it is. Thanks to an F40, it's like laughable, it's like, it's like truly embarrassing. It was supposed to be an off-road supercar. Of course, it wasn't successful at anything, including selling. The Mega Track.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  How did you, where did this come from?

• 48:12Speaker 04

  He must have had some time to do some reading recently, there it is in Monaco.

• 48:15Doug DeMuro?

  The talk cars segment today, there's the Mega Track next to a Yukon Denali. And look how big it looks.

• 48:21Speaker 04

  Hold on, that is very funny.

• 48:23Doug DeMuro?

  These cars are both in Vienna, the, the, the, look at this thing.

• 48:26Speaker 03

  Were those Audi or Porsche Taylors? Were, were those from a 960 or from an Audi A4?

• 48:31Doug DeMuro?

  The Mega Track was developed ground up by the finest connoisseurs.

• 48:34Speaker 03

  No, I'd be my question. Cause that could go either way.

• 48:37Doug DeMuro?

  The corporation of Mega. This picture also, I think, really illustrates what the Mega Track was capable of.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Wow. Do you have problems handling your supercar? Do you accidentally end up off-road? Well, this one's the one for you.

• 48:48Doug DeMuro?

  Exactly, you don't have to worry about it getting scratched or whatever, cause it's gonna go anywhere and do anything. This was the Storato before the Storato, although it was actually two Storatos. Size-wise.

• 48:59Speaker 04

  I mean, here's another one, normal traffic, I mean, look at that.

• 49:02Doug DeMuro?

  It's so ridiculously absurd. Yeah, that one on Vienna plates is apparently seen around Monaco here and there. Someone's driving around, it's a 400 horsepower Mercedes V12.

• 49:12Speaker 03

  Must've been terrible. Shout out to Schmie who filmed that car in 2011.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  Yeah, shout out to Schmie.

• 49:15Doug DeMuro?

  But he's filming it going by, someone's gotta do a quirks and features. We gotta get a Mega Track video. There's a 959 next to it.

• 49:21Speaker 03

  Let's get you to Austria.

• 49:23Doug DeMuro?

  Let's get there.

• 49:27Doug DeMuro?

  Those were the two off-road super-

• 49:28Speaker 03

  That, by the way, is a 143 scale. Still giant.

• 49:31Doug DeMuro?

  Can't believe someone made a 143 scale Mega Track. 143 scale Mega Track wouldn't fit on this table.

• 49:37Speaker 04

  I mean, with the Phantom.

• 49:40Doug DeMuro?

  So much bigger than the Phantom.

• 49:41Speaker 04

  It's so hard to understand the scale.

• 49:44Doug DeMuro?

  Ridiculous, stupid. Most idiot car ever made.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  No, I love it. I love it so much.

• 49:50Doug DeMuro?

  The Mega Track.

• 49:51Speaker 04

  I had no idea. I'm gonna go read about this.

• 49:53Doug DeMuro?

  There's, there's, you can do a deep dive. The company was called Axiom, but their line of vehicles was called Mega. And then the Track.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  Right.

• 50:02Speaker 04

  And then the Track.

• 50:02Doug DeMuro?

  There were others. There was like, there was also like the Mega whatever, or the Mega. It wasn't just the Axiom Mega Track.

• 50:08Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 50:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 04

  Uh, anyway, that's a tough car segment. That's a great topic.

• 50:12Doug DeMuro?

  They're currently the leader in quadricycles in France.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  Oh, wow.

• 50:15Speaker 04

  Oh, they went from that.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  Which, AKA, the cars that teenagers can drive.

• 50:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:19Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know what you do?

• 50:21Doug DeMuro?

  You, you take your Mega Track to the quadricycle dealership for service.

• 50:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 50:25Speaker 04

  They, quadricycle, quadricycle, quadricycle.

• 50:27Speaker 03

  Mega Track.

• 50:28Doug DeMuro?

  You pull up next to the shop, they're not big enough, the shop's not even big enough to fit the Mega Track. I want you guys to know that they currently offer a Mega product still, the, the Axiom brand. It is like a lifted...

• 50:41Doug DeMuro?

  I, I want the Track. In this picture, that's what, that's the Lotus Europa, it's parked next to, they're actually next to it.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  I want to talk about Slate.

• 50:49Doug DeMuro?

  The e-scouty Evo.

• 50:50Speaker 03

  I want to talk about Slate. You remember Slate?

• 50:52Speaker 04

  Of course.

• 50:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, what are you gonna say about this? Because I see what's written in the doc and I don't-

• 50:55Doug DeMuro?

  I got a Slate story for you. It's a, it's a Slate story, but I, it's a, it's a Slate Slate story.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 51:01Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I, do you remember a couple of months ago, they did that video where the CEO?

• 51:06Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 51:06Doug DeMuro?

  Was like, answered questions. One of the questions, when can Doug Demure review? Do you remember what her answer was?

• 51:10Speaker 03

  Whenever.

• 51:11Doug DeMuro?

  Whenever he wants. So for the last two months, I've been working with the Slate people, trying to, trying to date a review it. And we've set on a date, and then they bailed and pushed the date, and we set a date, they bailed and they pushed the date, set a date, bailed, pushed it. It's happened three or four times. And the most recent was, how about June or July? This was supposed to happen in February.

• 51:28Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 51:28Doug DeMuro?

  In addition to that, that woman is no longer the CEO.

• 51:31Speaker 03

  She's the president.

• 51:32Doug DeMuro?

  She's the founder, no longer CEO, they hired a CEO.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  She's the president.

• 51:36Doug DeMuro?

  And, of course, the, the price of these trucks has, uh, increased significantly, which is one of the problems when you kind of make your announcement around the pricing based on incentives, which could go away. And so I wonder- Whenever he wants to review it has now been pushed, pushed, pushed. Like, how are we doing? How are we doing over there?

• 51:53Speaker 03

  I think the answer is not well.

• 51:54Speaker 04

  I personally am hoping they do another Wes Anderson style thing where she answers a bunch of questions because I really enjoyed that. But I really, I do want, everybody wants to see a review of this thing. So June, July, so that means it's gonna be fall.

• 52:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, the fall.

• 52:06Speaker 04

  The fall, maybe winter.

• 52:07Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's the thing. It's like, what are we doing here? Like, she said whenever we want. And then we were scheduling it. We had March 6 on the books.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  Jay Leno did it a month ago.

• 52:16Doug DeMuro?

  Where's Doug? They're not afraid of Jay. I don't think they're afraid of Jay. Like, Jay drives a car. He's like, ah, whatever. Tell me about the car. The CEO goes on Jay's video, talks about the car.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  That's right.

• 52:27Doug DeMuro?

  Doug doesn't do any of that. Doug actually pokes into the things. And you watch Doug's prelude video and you start thinking, maybe we don't give a shit about these. Maybe we're a little nervous about what he's gonna say. But that makes me nervous about the state of this company. And they obviously are probably also nervous because of the EV incentive no longer makes their product as compelling as it once was.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  I mean, we talked about when they first announced it. Producer Sean and I went up to Orange County to their launch party.

• 52:51Doug DeMuro?

  That's right.

• 52:51Speaker 03

  And we talked about it that week and we were a little skeptical that it would be an appealing proposition at the price they stated, which was 20,000 with tax credit, some of that. So high 20s without. They've since said that they'll be in the mid 20s.

• 53:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 53:04Speaker 03

  Or, so they've lowered it a little bit, but no tax credit anymore.

• 53:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 53:07Speaker 03

  It's not a compelling proposition at that price point. It's like, the range is too low, the power's too low.

• 53:12Doug DeMuro?

  That's right. Two-door.

• 53:13Speaker 03

  It's small. It's a niche segment. The Maverick exists.

• 53:15Doug DeMuro?

  The Maverick exists for 30 with a four-door. I could, I could just go get a Volkswagen Severo. But I'm glad you went to the launch. You don't even say anything about that. I'm glad I went to the, you went to the launch party because Kenan also went to that launch party with Emily. And afterwards was a lovely evening in Los Angeles for the two of them.

• 53:36Speaker 04

  We did not go to that. But yeah, but Filippo did get a tattoo while he was there because they were offering that tattoo booth. Do you remember that?

• 53:42Speaker 03

  I remember the tattoo booth. I did not get a tattoo.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  Oh, that's unfortunate.

• 53:45Speaker 03

  I'm not a tattoo guy.

• 53:46Speaker 04

  You could have commemorated when you got to see the slate.

• 53:48Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, I'm a little bit nervous.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  I did get some ice cream. That was nice.

• 53:50Doug DeMuro?

  A little bit nervous about the slate situation.

• 53:54Speaker 04

  As we all are.

• 53:55Doug DeMuro?

  A little bit nervous.

• 53:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:57Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, speaking of slate and Amazon, who is a majority or minority partner.

• 54:02Speaker 04

  They're an investor.

• 54:03Doug DeMuro?

  The other day. I'm driving around there and I see an Amazon delivery truck with a Montana license plate on it.

• 54:15Speaker 04

  Huh, now we're not in Montana.

• 54:17Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, no.

• 54:18Speaker 04

  We're in Southern California.

• 54:19Doug DeMuro?

  California.

• 54:20Speaker 03

  Interesting.

• 54:21Doug DeMuro?

  Now, is Montana temporary license plate? Here's a theory. I'm gonna give a theory, I'm not saying they're doing this, but here's what I would do. I thought it was Amazon trying to limit my tax liability. You set up a business in Montana. You buy the trucks from the Montana business.

• 54:34Speaker 03

  Which LLC creation business do you think they're using?

• 54:36Doug DeMuro?

  I think they got their own. They're calling LLC TLC. You buy the trucks in your Montana business and then after they've been titled in Montana no sales tanks, you flip them to another state where you happen to sell the car for $1. And in that state, that's the price you paid because your Montana business sold it to your California business for a dollar. That's just what I might do if I was trying to limit my tax liability and I was a giant company. But it was interesting to me because California last week was cracking down on a dentist in Fremont for doing Montana on his Aventador. And here I am driving through this Amazon truck with a Montana plate and I'm like, you know, that's interesting. And it's a temporary plate, so they're waiting for title.

• 55:18Doug DeMuro?

  So the moment they get Montana title, what would you do if you were a large company trying to limit your tax liability?

• 55:24Speaker 03

  The interesting thing here is I would be stunned if they purchased the trucks.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  Just leased them?

• 55:30Speaker 03

  They would lease them from themselves. I mean fundamentally, they would have a financier that is probably themselves own them. That makes it interesting. I remember most Amazon trucks have the digital California license plates.

• 55:40Doug DeMuro?

  I don't want to speak to what's going on, it's interesting. Uh, the other interesting thing with California-

• 55:44Speaker 03

  Some people are asking questions, that's all I'm saying.

• 55:45Speaker 04

  It's merely an observation.

• 55:47Doug DeMuro?

  The other interesting thing, the California license plates have finally switched to the new format. Nine, the end of the nine series has been reached. It started in 1980, they've switched. I got the very first one. The photo that you see-

• 55:59Speaker 03

  Never arrived.

• 56:00Doug DeMuro?

  The photo that you see, no, I have it, it's in my house. The photo that you see right now is me with the very first one. How did I pull it off? You'll never know.

• 56:10Speaker 03

  Did it actually ever arrive?

• 56:12Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:12Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 56:13Doug DeMuro?

  It was on the Ford GT. It was registered to the Ford GT for a little while.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  Right.

• 56:16Doug DeMuro?

  I never put it on. I got the first one. So California has made this after, after 46 long years. In the same license plate format, the switch has been made. This is a massive news story, people.

• 56:29Speaker 03

  So up until now, it's been number, three letters, three numbers.

• 56:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:32Speaker 03

  And now it's what?

• 56:33Doug DeMuro?

  Just flipped the opposite. It's really not interesting. But this is a big deal.

• 56:38Speaker 03

  Three letters, three numbers, one number?

• 56:39Doug DeMuro?

  I'm only mentioning this news story because I got the first one. I'm not mentioning it for any other.

• 56:43Speaker 03

  It's a big deal, period.

• 56:44Doug DeMuro?

  Are you jealous that I have the first?

• 56:45Speaker 03

  No, but I'm really sad that I never saw a nine Y plate, or nine Z plate, rather. Actually, I haven't seen a nine Y.

• 56:51Doug DeMuro?

  You will see nine Ys. It seems like they skipped nine Z. Do you?

• 56:54Speaker 03

  It's so sad to me. I wanted to see nine Z.

• 56:56Doug DeMuro?

  Do you? Well, hey, if you're looking for three plates, you'd find they'll never see a three Z either. Let me tell you something, or a one Z. Let me tell you something.

• 57:03Speaker 03

  Isn't one Z a truck plate?

• 57:04Doug DeMuro?

  No. Let me tell you something. As the person who got the very first one, I'm proud of the new format. Love it. Obviously, it all kind of started with me.

• 57:13Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 57:14Doug DeMuro?

  I consider myself the founder of the format, really. It's, it's hard as a founder.

• 57:23Speaker 04

  I wonder if California DMV are like, they were going through, it's like, oh my gosh, somebody took it.

• 57:30Speaker 04

  It's this guy.

• 57:31Doug DeMuro?

  I got the first one. It was a random chance.

• 57:33Speaker 04

  Alright, we can't issue that one.

• 57:34Doug DeMuro?

  I happened to walk into the AAA office down by my house in San Ysidro.

• 57:43Doug DeMuro?

  Modesto, and there they were. The previous guy got the last one and I got the first one. It was pure chance.

• 57:51Speaker 03

  Are they starting with A000AAA?

• 57:54Doug DeMuro?

  No, they're not. No, it's, the first one is 000AA1. We've been showing it on the screen for the last 15 minutes.

• 58:00Speaker 03

  It's the second one.

• 58:00Doug DeMuro?

  I meant to bring it in today, but I forgot, but it's at my house. No, the, the first number is gonna be like the last number. The last number is gonna be like the first number was.

• 58:09Speaker 03

  Do you want to enter that?

• 58:10Doug DeMuro?

  No. The last number is gonna be like the first number was, like the age identifier, basically.

• 58:14Speaker 03

  Right. But what plate are they starting?

• 58:16Speaker 04

  Zero is gonna be first, then?

• 58:17Doug DeMuro?

  000AA1, 001A1.

• 58:20Speaker 03

  I didn't know they were skipping some.

• 58:21Doug DeMuro?

  No, they didn't skip. They gave me the first one.

• 58:25Doug DeMuro?

  And by the way, it's 000 because California starts each series with 000 as some states do. Are you happy about this?

• 58:32Speaker 03

  I, I think I gotta go get a vanity plate and then return to a regular plate to get a new one.

• 58:37Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe.

• 58:38Speaker 03

  I need to buy a car, maybe.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  So you're gonna, the great irony of this is you can't put this on any car because then it looks like you just got it, which

• 58:44Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I also think that at this point, California probably won't let me have this plate anymore. It's just gonna be in my garage. It's just gonna go up on my garage wall as a souvenir of the time that I started it all.

• 58:54Speaker 04

  Well, I, I'll say a couple of things. One, I didn't care at all about license plates until you came into it.

• 58:59Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, now you know.

• 59:00Speaker 04

  And that's all I look at. Now that's all I look at. It is helpful.

• 59:02Doug DeMuro?

  Especially in California where they stay with the car.

• 59:04Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 59:04Doug DeMuro?

  Because you can tell who's a little sketch and who's not.

• 59:06Speaker 04

  Totally. But I feel that it is notable. I feel this is like a California thing to see the plates switch over. Like when you moved here, it's like to know what sequence they went in.

• 59:13Doug DeMuro?

  90s.

• 59:14Speaker 04

  And now we've all gotten to see them switch, like do the big switch that we've been waiting for.

• 59:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, big day for Felipe.

• 59:19Speaker 04

  So it's a big day.

• 59:20Speaker 03

  My 911 has WXP, 9 WXP.

• 59:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, Felipe.

• 59:24Speaker 03

  And it's really time to get a new plate.

• 59:26Doug DeMuro?

  What are you gonna do about the wheels?

• 59:28Speaker 03

  Well, I'm, I'm selling my BBSs. I have a buyer for them. I have a buyer for them. He, he actually reached out by email like early on.

• 59:35Doug DeMuro?

  What are you gonna do about the wheels in the car? They're gray painted.

• 59:37Speaker 03

  So my BBSs are, are sold.

• 59:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 59:40Speaker 03

  I have to ship them out, but they're, they're sold. My wheels that were the OE wheels were refinished by the prior owner and he never put them back on the car.

• 59:47Doug DeMuro?

  He refinished them in, in brake dust.

• 59:49Speaker 03

  Unfortunately, they're a little

• 59:52Speaker 04

  This is exactly

• 59:52Speaker 03

  Mashed and dark.

• 59:54Doug DeMuro?

  He just got them really brake dusty and then he PPF them.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  Right. And he didn't think about the center caps.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  The center caps are a little different. So in this light, it's maybe acceptable and otherwise it's not. Uh, at some point I will refinish them.

• 1:00:05Speaker 04

  Now, here's the great

• 1:00:06Doug DeMuro?

  He's not gonna.

• 1:00:06Speaker 04

  A, you're not going to.

• 1:00:08Doug DeMuro?

  Never will.

• 1:00:08Speaker 04

  The time to do that was, oh, I don't know, when the car was on another set of wheels.

• 1:00:12Doug DeMuro?

  I didn't

• 1:00:12Speaker 04

  That was the time.

• 1:00:13Doug DeMuro?

  We didn't know how bad, you couldn't tell in the box how bad they were.

• 1:00:17Speaker 04

  No, but you couldn't put those center caps in.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  I was getting a lot of pressure to change out the BBS.

• 1:00:21Speaker 04

  I know.

• 1:00:21Doug DeMuro?

  I now regret it and honestly wish that the car was still on the BBS.

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  No, I like those, I like the OE wheels.

• 1:00:26Doug DeMuro?

  So bad.

• 1:00:27Speaker 03

  Ryan, they're

• 1:00:27Speaker 04

  Don't give this to Ryan.

• 1:00:28Doug DeMuro?

  They're like

• 1:00:29Speaker 03

  They're a little dark.

• 1:00:30Doug DeMuro?

  Slightly gray. It's like, it really messes with

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  I will get them, get them redone. The issue is that I don't want to go without the car. I drive the car every day and I want to keep driving the car every day.

• 1:00:40Speaker 04

  Do you drive?

• 1:00:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, definitely.

• 1:00:41Speaker 04

  But you know what? Here's, here's what's gonna, your truck-

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Some days I don't.

• 1:00:44Speaker 04

  Your pickup truck is on the way-

• 1:00:45Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:00:45Speaker 04

  From Arizona.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  It's getting shipped.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  When that gets here, send the 911 in and get the wheels fixed.

• 1:00:50Speaker 03

  At some point.

• 1:00:50Speaker 04

  You have to drive around in a carbureted, you have to sleep in the bed you have made-

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  First, I need to buy new wheels for the pickup truck, because they're sixteen and a half.

• 1:00:58Doug DeMuro?

  When is the pickup truck coming here?

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  Uh, it should be getting picked up today tomorrow.

• 1:01:01Speaker 04

  Filippo's just-

• 1:01:02Doug DeMuro?

  It's coming here this week?

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  Yeah. Maybe, maybe early next week.

• 1:01:04Speaker 04

  We're just finding this out now, it's Wednesday, when we're filming this.

• 1:01:07Speaker 03

  I have it as an item on here for that reason.

• 1:01:08Speaker 04

  I think it was supposed to be here, I've been hearing it's gonna be here this week for three weeks now.

• 1:01:11Speaker 03

  No, no, I, I paid for a shipper yesterday. It's coming.

• 1:01:15Doug DeMuro?

  Damn, so this is like real, real.

• 1:01:16Speaker 04

  Yep. Filippo's gonna be a carbureted man like you. What do you have to say about that?

• 1:01:19Speaker 03

  I, I, I will be honest here, the, I need to get it titled. It does not need to pass MOLG, which is great. And I do need to get new wheels and tires. Quickly, because I can't really drive it that much.

• 1:01:29Speaker 04

  I mean, you're just mired in wheel and tire problems.

• 1:01:31Speaker 03

  I know, I know!

• 1:01:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, what's the wheel and tire issue on this? Does it, does it bolt up to other Ford wheels? I mean, let's throw on some, let's throw on some of the Pope's Fusion wheels.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Putting it, the Pope apparently had a, had a manual Fusion. Uh, according to Farley. Um, I wish I did. I almost bought one on Craigslist years ago.

• 1:01:47Doug DeMuro?

  You and the Pope, it was probably ex-

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  I know!

• 1:01:49Doug DeMuro?

  Probably ex-Pope.

• 1:01:51Speaker 03

  It was in Wisconsin. It was in Madison, so-

• 1:01:54Doug DeMuro?

  You know what? Dude, that dude was ex-Pope!

• 1:01:56Speaker 03

  It could have been ex-Pope.

• 1:01:56Speaker 04

  Man, you, oh, that's crazy.

• 1:01:58Doug DeMuro?

  Pope John Paul-

• 1:01:59Speaker 03

  What gen Ford Fusion? Because multiple gens had a manual.

• 1:02:00Doug DeMuro?

  I think it was the- All gens had a manual. I think it was the 2010, that pre, pre redesigned, but like the good facelift.

• 1:02:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, that was the one I was, I'm not joking, it could have been-

• 1:02:09Doug DeMuro?

  John Paul, Pope John Paul's like Fiat Uno on eBay one time, sold for like $2 million. This could have been you.

• 1:02:15Speaker 03

  Imagine the Ford Fusion, the worst car.

• 1:02:16Doug DeMuro?

  You missed out!

• 1:02:18Speaker 03

  Love the Uno. Uh...

• 1:02:20Speaker 04

  Or maybe the Vatican want it back, put it in the museum.

• 1:02:23Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:02:23Speaker 04

  You know? That was with, yeah.

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  The truck is coming though. I, I, finding new wheels will not be a problem, just it's a, it's a family process, so there are many- It's a family process. The family's got to be consulted on which, on which wheels they-

• 1:02:35Speaker 04

  How is that, alright. I got so many questions, I'm just gonna let you have that.

• 1:02:39Speaker 03

  Yeah, thanks, appreciate that.

• 1:02:40Doug DeMuro?

  They gotta, hey, family, hey, what, what is everybody so, we're gonna take a family vote on which, on which-

• 1:02:45Speaker 04

  Today's family meeting.

• 1:02:46Doug DeMuro?

  Two hundred and twelve dollar used wheels and tires we're getting. We're gonna go down to Sandy Seed Row.

• 1:02:52Speaker 04

  You and your wife are the ones that have this thing. Like, all that matters is her opinion. I don't think she cares about them.

• 1:02:57Speaker 03

  She's family.

• 1:02:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course she is, but like, I don't think she cares about the wheels.

• 1:03:01Speaker 03

  Other, other people.

• 1:03:01Speaker 04

  Are they round? That would be her question.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  That would, would be an important component.

• 1:03:04Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, you can really screw up the wheels on that truck if you get the wrong ones.

• 1:03:07Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 1:03:08Doug DeMuro?

  Because the truck, but I, you will undoubtedly do that.

• 1:03:10Speaker 03

  I want to be clear, it's also not on the OE wheels, it's on some, you know.

• 1:03:13Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, it's on some aftermarket.

• 1:03:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, from like the-

• 1:03:15Speaker 04

  Great.

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Nineties, though.

• 1:03:16Doug DeMuro?

  Get a, get the ninety-seven, pull up, can you pull up an Explorer, please?

• 1:03:20Speaker 03

  I will absolutely not get the, I know your wheels are not.

• 1:03:22Speaker 04

  Did you say ninety-seven?

• 1:03:23Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, no, on Cars and Bids, because that's, we're trying to, we're trying to push that website on people.

• 1:03:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's CarsAndBids.com.

• 1:03:29Doug DeMuro?

  CarsAndBids.com.

• 1:03:30Speaker 04

  There's an app, I think.

• 1:03:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, it is.

• 1:03:32Doug DeMuro?

  Just for, I- Go down, go down. The wheels I like, the wheels I, I like a lot of wheels, but the ones I want you to get, click on that Explorer.

• 1:03:38Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:38Doug DeMuro?

  Click on the red one. Click on the red one. I don't want to see the white one, I want the red one.

• 1:03:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:03:42Doug DeMuro?

  I liked these because they had sort of this like teardroppy, rain droppy situation.

• 1:03:47Speaker 03

  They are cool. Are these, are you a five lug? Probably not.

• 1:03:50Speaker 04

  I honestly don't remember, I don't, I do not, though.

• 1:03:52Doug DeMuro?

  Look at these things still on Firestones.

• 1:03:54Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:03:55Doug DeMuro?

  This is, this is a nostalgia play. You can drive around in your Explorer and get killed.

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Don't look at the original tires.

• 1:04:01Doug DeMuro?

  Jeez.

• 1:04:02Speaker 04

  Jeez, oh my god. That looks like a, like a map. That's really bad.

• 1:04:09Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, man.

• 1:04:11Speaker 03

  Are those the original tires?

• 1:04:12Doug DeMuro?

  What, how many miles did this have on it?

• 1:04:14Speaker 04

  Uh, this one had, yeah, had-

• 1:04:15Doug DeMuro?

  When did we foist this on some-

• 1:04:17Speaker 04

  Two thousand miles TMU, though.

• 1:04:18Doug DeMuro?

  With a salvage title?

• 1:04:20Speaker 04

  This is an unusual one.

• 1:04:22Speaker 03

  Ten grand.

• 1:04:22Speaker 04

  They had ten Gs.

• 1:04:23Doug DeMuro?

  How did this one not get cash for clunkered?

• 1:04:26Speaker 04

  Seriously.

• 1:04:26Speaker 03

  Don't you wonder?

• 1:04:27Doug DeMuro?

  Two thousand miles, that might be real.

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  I mean, it looks pretty clean.

• 1:04:31Doug DeMuro?

  That's how the seats looked OE.

• 1:04:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, so that's a good- Damn.

• 1:04:35Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, grab those wheels. Uh, okay, Kenan, Kenan has much more to talk about. I don't know why we've been talking about, as we've said, you're talking about California license plates and Filippo's.

• 1:04:43Speaker 04

  Well, that's how it works. You guys talk and I listen, but well.

• 1:04:47Doug DeMuro?

  Tell us about the SL65.

• 1:04:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I recently sold, as people know, my SL65 on the cars in the bids, and it brought 60,000 dollars.

• 1:04:56Speaker 03

  It's all because of that fourth picture where you're cleaning off the.

• 1:04:59Speaker 04

  Well, that, that does have something to do with it. That is how I care for my cars.

• 1:05:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:04Speaker 04

  Meticulously. Um, but this car sold well. The bidding more, it, it was bid up pretty quickly. If you look at like the actual bid history, and for the longest time it was sitting at 45 and then it went to 47. Um, but the, in the end, there were a couple more bids and it ended up, uh, at 60 and the car's going to Dallas. One of the cool things.

• 1:05:20Doug DeMuro?

  There, isn't it?

• 1:05:22Speaker 04

  By the, at the time this airs, it'll probably be about there.

• 1:05:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, he.

• 1:05:25Speaker 04

  Went in a truck on, on Tuesday of this week. The, uh, it was a cool story. The, the buyer, um, was talking to me about, so he, he wanted an SL65 and his buddy has an SLR and an SL65 in addition to a bunch of other cars. And it was a black, on black and red car. And so he wanted to buy that and his friend watched the video I did with Nick on the SL65 and was like, I can't sell you the SL65. I, I have to keep them both. They're both too good.

• 1:05:47Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:05:48Speaker 04

  And so then, so then he ended up, uh, bidding on this car and he won it and now it's, uh, now it's in doubt.

• 1:05:53Doug DeMuro?

  Look at this.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  I think it feels right.

• 1:05:54Doug DeMuro?

  Picture.

• 1:05:55Speaker 03

  Who took this picture?

• 1:05:56Speaker 04

  This is a Nick Stafford, uh, Stafford media took the picture.

• 1:05:58Doug DeMuro?

  That is real photographer.

• 1:06:01Speaker 03

  That's a great photo.

• 1:06:02Doug DeMuro?

  This makes me want the car and I already drove the car and had it around.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  I was, I was a little disappointed in your video. You didn't give it the full. You, you didn't go full throttle on the car.

• 1:06:11Doug DeMuro?

  What was I?

• 1:06:12Speaker 04

  You went, you did like.

• 1:06:13Doug DeMuro?

  Freeway though and something interesting happened.

• 1:06:15Speaker 04

  Probably, but the, this car, uh, the thing is like, yes, I'm very happy to sell it. I'm happy it goes to good home. I'm happy to get a very good result on it. I'm, I will miss that engine. It is just one of the all time great engines and I will sing that thing praises until the end, but it.

• 1:06:30Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan's SL65 has departed us.

• 1:06:33Speaker 04

  Yes, and the hunt is on for a Viper.

• 1:06:36Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan is legitimately looking for a Viper.

• 1:06:39Speaker 04

  There are three people I'm talking to, all with first generation Vipers, all red.

• 1:06:44Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:06:44Speaker 04

  Various years, all three spoke, all side pipe, and so we'll see. I'm working together on a couple of, of, yes, there's, there's a, an order. Um, I'm not in a rush, so I'm gonna find the right one, but I am, I'm definitely on the hunt. I, I, look, everybody has given me a lot of guff about this. It's like, oh, this car is, the Mercedes is so much better than the Viper. It's like, well, yeah, you're missing the point.

• 1:07:05Doug DeMuro?

  Missing the point. We're experienced men.

• 1:07:08Speaker 04

  We're, I want to experience it. I want to be clear. I am likely not gonna have the Viper for more than six to nine months. But I just, I have to have it. Like, I, it's, I just, there's an itch that I have to scratch. I want to follow in Doug's footsteps.

• 1:07:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 1:07:21Speaker 04

  Get a manual V10.

• 1:07:22Doug DeMuro?

  You'll be really good at putting the top on and off.

• 1:07:25Speaker 04

  So, there's a fun fact about first gens. They came with a tonneau cover. On the first gen Vipers, across the dash, there are a bunch of little snaps. That is for a tonneau cover that goes over the whole thing. So if you want to just cover the interior, you can't.

• 1:07:36Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:07:37Speaker 04

  So I'm gonna get, and there's a zipper, so you can zip out just the driver's section.

• 1:07:40Doug DeMuro?

  Roof at all? Okay, got it.

• 1:07:41Speaker 04

  There is, of course, a roof, but it's a paint.

• 1:07:42Doug DeMuro?

  That's a fun fact.

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  But yeah, a lot of people, have you ever noticed that?

• 1:07:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, so I figured you would have, but like, yeah, that's a very few people.

• 1:07:50Doug DeMuro?

  I kind of remember at the Peterson, maybe I even, I don't remember. They had that, they have like the fourth one made or something.

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:07:54Doug DeMuro?

  You know what, I was, I was, I was at my kid's school there the other day, you know, over there.

• 1:07:58Speaker 04

  I, over there, over there by the thing.

• 1:08:00Doug DeMuro?

  And, uh, I was walking up to pick up one of the kids there from the school.

• 1:08:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:05Doug DeMuro?

  And there was, there was a school district van, and it was an Econoline, and on the side of it, it said Triton V10. And I'm thinking to myself, how bizarre is it?

• 1:08:16Doug DeMuro?

  That the people driving V10s are Huracan, Gallardo, R8 owners, LFA, Carrera GT, muscle guys in Vipers, and then a school employee.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  Hey, the V10 knows no bounds. Everybody has to experience it, whether it's in the truck.

• 1:08:36Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I, I, of course, have driven a U-Haul.

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  My friend Talon has one, and how he, and he's not a car person at all, he's had it since high school.

• 1:08:43Doug DeMuro?

  Econoline?

• 1:08:44Speaker 04

  Yes. But he, he said at one point, he put 27 friends in and drove down to the beach, I'm sure it was, you know, very safe. But like, yeah, I, cause I hadn't seen this truck forever, and then he pulled up to this volunteer thing we're doing. Said V10 on it.

• 1:08:56Doug DeMuro?

  Today's world is so ridiculous. Young kids growing up today who become car enthusiasts are gonna look back at those V10 vans like we look back at like those old Cadillac V8s that were eight liters and made no power and be like, back in the grandpa's days, they were putting V10s in vans.

• 1:09:12Doug DeMuro?

  So weird.

• 1:09:13Speaker 04

  We lived through a great period of automotive history. We really did. But I, I am again, just thrilled with the result. Thank you again for reviewing it. And I was very happy to represent this when the car made it easy because it was a very good car.

• 1:09:24Doug DeMuro?

  Do you think he's gonna end up with a Viper?

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:26Doug DeMuro?

  Do you, are you pumped for this?

• 1:09:27Speaker 04

  Yeah. I think, I'd like for you to drive it. I'd like to, well, you'll be part of the, my friends drive my Vipers.

• 1:09:32Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, I will this time?

• 1:09:33Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:09:33Doug DeMuro?

  This time?

• 1:09:33Speaker 04

  And you can be too, because you're not gonna review it because you've already done a first gen Viper.

• 1:09:37Doug DeMuro?

  I would do it again, especially if you got a ketchup and mustard.

• 1:09:39Speaker 04

  I should have bought that one. That was a mistake. It was sitting right there. But I had to, I, I want the three spokes.

• 1:09:46Doug DeMuro?

  That car was so unruly.

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  I want the side pipe. It is. They are.

• 1:09:49Doug DeMuro?

  They're so unruly. It's laughable.

• 1:09:51Speaker 04

  You know, another thing I did recently, I went to Texas through the Port Hill Country Rally, which I'll talk about a little bit in a second. But what I maybe realized is how much I love classic cars. I really love them. And the Viper is this unusual blend of classic and modern because it has like fuel injection, you can be diagnosed, and they're pretty reliable and no carbs, nothing like that. But it's so raw and visceral and it is about just driving. Nothing else, just driving. And admittedly, the driving situations you get into are a little scary with that car. But that's what it is about, one thing, and I just respect that and I love that. I want to experience it.

• 1:10:23Doug DeMuro?

  And it is a very different experience from E39 M5, which the SL65 also was, but maybe not in the right way. Like, it was more relaxed, more easy, more serene, like not, but the Viper is gonna be like, you already have some of that stuff in E39. Like, the Viper is gonna be so like, just, you gotta control it. You gotta handle that car.

• 1:10:42Speaker 04

  The M5 is good. Like, it does a bunch of things and it's just like taking the slider and stretching on one of those. In the SL's case, it was performance and luxury. In the Viper's case, it gonna be rawness.

• 1:10:52Doug DeMuro?

  Now, it ain't performance.

• 1:10:53Speaker 04

  Rawness. It's still pretty, I mean, it's a lot of power in a lightweight car.

• 1:10:57Doug DeMuro?

  Groundhog over here, Sean, Reuser Sean, Sean at carsandbids.com. He, he hadn't liked the Viper.

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  No, but Sean has what we call hot takes. In some friend circles, we know him as Hot Take Sean. And he is often wrong. So we're gonna find that. I know he hates the Viper a lot. The thing about the Viper, you once said that a great car should be loved and hated in equal measures by people. That's how you make like a truly awesome car. And the Viper is that. Some people love it. And the people love it, really love it. And people hate it, really hate it.

• 1:11:26Doug DeMuro?

  It is, it is, it is, I was, I was sitting in a light the other day next to a Harley and I was watching the, I was watching the, the whole thing shake. And I was thinking to myself, German and Japanese bike enthusiasts who see this, laugh at how unrefined it is. Meanwhile, that's exactly what attracted that fella to that bike.

• 1:11:44Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:11:45Doug DeMuro?

  Is, is the rumble. And that's the Viper. Like Sean's over here, his bad colored G-Wagon is behind us. He's shooting from his, from his high, holier-than-thou German car, European car brand. He's got three European cars. Since I've known him, he's had five European cars. Guy's just one of these coastal elites. Meanwhile, you, man of the people with your rumbly thing.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  Born and bred in the Midwest, baby. So like, I, yes, I've also, I've also only owned European cars. And I want to own, but I want to own an American car. Like I, and I just think that it is, I just think they are as cool as it comes. I just think they're the best. So.

• 1:12:22Doug DeMuro?

  Tell us about the Porsche Rally.

• 1:12:24Speaker 04

  I'm gonna pull up a picture of the Viper so we can just stare at one.

• 1:12:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, leave that up while you talk. But yeah, yeah, that's a great one too. Leave that up.

• 1:12:30Speaker 04

  I actually, this rear through, look at that.

• 1:12:32Doug DeMuro?

  That's a cool car.

• 1:12:33Speaker 04

  It's a cool car. Anyway, so I went to,

• 1:12:36Doug DeMuro?

  You'll never.

• 1:12:37Speaker 04

  I went to Texas with some friends of mine from New Orleans to go drive in the Porsche Hill Country Rally. Now, this is a rally that takes place every year just outside of San Antonio in the hill country. And it's, it's focus, some rallies you can go to, it's kind of a car show. Like this was not that. We showed up and there were 374 cars, a lot of them at this hotel. But the thing was, they're all Porsche bar cars. So 1989 and Ford Porsches. So that's 911, 914, 356.

• 1:13:04Doug DeMuro?

  And older.

• 1:13:05Speaker 04

  1989 and older.

• 1:13:07Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:07Speaker 04

  Correct. What I realized when I got there is that it is a classic car event and it is focused on driving. By the, by the time we get up in the morning at like 7:30, the parking lot will be almost completely empty.

• 1:13:18Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  All those cars are out just driving. They gave us these great routes to drive. You could drive at your own pace. You chose when you left. There was no like organization around. They didn't dictate when you had to drive.

• 1:13:27Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:28Speaker 04

  And so it was just a bunch of people out there driving these old Porsches. And what I realized is like those cars can really take it. Like it is a classic car. I was in a 1973 911E, which just made the most glorious sound. You know the beginning to Le Mans when Steve, Steve McQueen is driving his 911? Does anybody know? People will know what I'm talking about. That's what it felt like. It was just raw and visceral. And I'm, I'm losing my mind. A video is coming out about this soon. But it was just like, we really used those cars. 450 miles in less than, in two days.

• 1:13:58Doug DeMuro?

  That's strong.

• 1:13:59Speaker 04

  And people drove from all over the country. A group of guys drove up from Monterrey, Mexico with a bunch of cars. People came from California.

• 1:14:07Doug DeMuro?

  Drove to.

• 1:14:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, Paul Kramer drove with a group. They only did a hundred miles on highway. Everything else was back road. Got there, drove some travel and drove back again.

• 1:14:14Doug DeMuro?

  Do you, um, are you a Porsche man now? Like Spike?

• 1:14:17Speaker 04

  So, well, here's the thing. I realized that it's coming for me. Like.

• 1:14:21Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:14:21Speaker 04

  It's coming for me.

• 1:14:22Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:14:23Speaker 04

  However.

• 1:14:24Doug DeMuro?

  Take mine.

• 1:14:25Speaker 04

  However, I am going, I would, what I realized is most of these people, they just liked cars. It just happened to be Porsches. They actually, they were exactly what we liked. They weren't obsessed over the little DVD. They were driving the things and they were driving them well and as they were intended to be and using them. People were fixing stuff in the parking lots and like, it was just, it was, that was real automotive enthusiasm. I, I think that is the future of car events, to go and use them the way they're supposed to be used. Like that was the most pure automotive event I have ever been to and I absolutely loved it and I plan to go back next year. But I know that I'm going to end up with a Porsche at some point. In the meantime.

• 1:15:01Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo and I, I'm not trying to be a jerk to you. I really am not, but Filippo and I prefer the Rare Shades event where we look at the, the parked cars are parked on plinths and we look at very similar identical Porsches that just happen to be slightly different versions of gray and brown. And we talk about how cool that brown is compared to. Different brown. That's what people and I like to go to.

• 1:15:20Speaker 04

  You're a kissy sky. There were a couple of there were a couple of cars there that were like so nice. They weren't driven on the and that's like, whatever. But those people brought other cars that they could just go cane, which I thought was really cool.

• 1:15:29Doug DeMuro?

  And so I have to say, and it was, I'm very grateful to everybody who came up and said hello. A lot of people were surprised. I was there like,

• 1:15:35Speaker 04

  what are you doing here? But I just want to

• 1:15:38Doug DeMuro?

  Becoming a Porsche person.

• 1:15:39Speaker 04

  And I'm grateful to my friends who brought their cars, let me drive and the New Orleans crew was great and we just had a great time. So I highly encourage people to get out there, go to driving events. They are the most fun.

• 1:15:48Doug DeMuro?

  Um, I agree with that. And on the subject of driving events, I want to move on to the market report. We have two very short things to cover before we have to move on to questions, which are going to be short today. I'm sorry. The market report is brought to you by the Suzuki Across. The Suzuki Across. Yeah. Pull up the Suzuki.

• 1:16:03Speaker 04

  We sold one.

• 1:16:06Doug DeMuro?

  The Suzuki Across. Filippo, do you want to tell?

• 1:16:07Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:16:08Doug DeMuro?

  Tell the audience.

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  I'd rather not engage.

• 1:16:09Doug DeMuro?

  Suzuki Across is a, it's a, it's a, it's a four wheeler. Pull up this picture actually of it, I think is the best one.

• 1:16:17Speaker 03

  That's the last gem.

• 1:16:18Doug DeMuro?

  The Suzuki Across, that's the one I like. The Suzuki Across is a four wheeler. Uh, it's a very

• 1:16:23Speaker 04

  And that it has four wheels?

• 1:16:24Doug DeMuro?

  It's a very competent, capable off-road vehicle and you have never seen this body design before. This is brand new car Suzuki Across, totally distinct from any other automobile. And you can tell that it's a Suzuki and not something like a Toyota, because the center caps have the Suzuki logo on it.

• 1:16:42Speaker 03

  That's right.

• 1:16:43Doug DeMuro?

  And ignore the fact that the plug-in hybrid badge is the same as you might see on some Toyotas. That Toyota copied that from Suzuki.

• 1:16:49Speaker 04

  And you've had, oh my God. Did you get shot?

• 1:16:55Doug DeMuro?

  Go to the, pull up the Daytona.

• 1:16:56Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. So this is another thing we have to talk about. So a couple of, I can't spell today. A couple of weeks ago, after Moda, I went and drove this 1974 365 GTV.

• 1:17:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 1:17:09Speaker 04

  Daytona. What an unbelievable car. Now, I, I started working with cars and bids six years ago yesterday.

• 1:17:17Speaker 03

  Happy six years.

• 1:17:18Speaker 04

  Thank you. And I have, since we started, I have dreamt one day that we would have a car like this on the site. And here it is. A Ferrari Daytona.

• 1:17:28Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, but I'm more of a

• 1:17:29Doug DeMuro?

  Better than everybody.

• 1:17:30Speaker 04

  Well, I'm a Ferrari guy, so.

• 1:17:32Doug DeMuro?

  Daytona's on the site. It is absolutely beautiful, breathtaking. What was it like to drive there?

• 1:17:37Speaker 04

  So special.

• 1:17:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:38Speaker 04

  Surprisingly agile. Once you like, you set the chassis in a corner and then you go. I mean, fully independent suspension in a 1970. And this engine, the Colombo V12, is one of the most magnificent things.

• 1:17:47Doug DeMuro?

  As I'm sure you know.

• 1:17:48Speaker 04

  Of course. Yep, the depot. Yeah, anyway, well, forget it. I'm not gonna waste my time. But just to hear the carburetors, like, it just makes such a wonderful noise and like, and the power is good. The steering, everybody said at low, when you're not moving, if you have to do a dry turn, like, no motion, very heavy. But once you are moving, I found every engagement point with the car was wonderful.

• 1:18:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Speaker 04

  It really is a special automobile and it just felt solid. It felt like I could have driven that car back from Seattle to California, like, genuinely. What an experience that would have been. So.

• 1:18:17Doug DeMuro?

  So beautiful, so special. Every time I see a Daytona, which is pretty much only at car events, I'm astonished by just how special it is. It is a very cool car, very special vintage Ferrari. It is the link between vintage Ferrari and more modern Ferrari. It was this design that sort of took them out of the, you know, taller grills and wire wheels era and kind of moved them into the more swept back cars that we kind of more, even to this day, more knows the Ferrari design.

• 1:18:42Speaker 04

  It was the last Ferrari to have Bronis. After that, and they offered Mags at the time, you could get them.

• 1:18:46Doug DeMuro?

  It was literally the link between that one.

• 1:18:48Speaker 04

  It was literally.

• 1:18:49Doug DeMuro?

  But from a design perspective, too, it was clearly Ferrari going more modern.

• 1:18:52Speaker 04

  And then after this, for 30 years, they were mid-engine. And then they brought the 550 back, which this car was in, it was a car in Driver Magazine, where they, like, issue, where they compared

• 1:19:01Doug DeMuro?

  This car.

• 1:19:02Speaker 04

  this and the 550 Maranello, like.

• 1:19:03Doug DeMuro?

  And there's a lot of similarities. If you really look at them on paper, there's a lot of.

• 1:19:06Speaker 04

  But the, one last thing I'll say on this, because I know I'm talking a lot today, but the stiffness of the drivetrain is unbelievable. Like, because it's a torque tube, so it's secured at the front and the rear, and the transmission's at the back, the transaxle.

• 1:19:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:19Speaker 04

  It just, when you get on it, the whole thing is tight. And so you get on it and the foot goes like this, it just rocks back and then you monster off down the road.

• 1:19:25Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, we gotta get a Daytona in the office.

• 1:19:28Speaker 04

  It's pretty special. Who wouldn't want that?

• 1:19:29Doug DeMuro?

  I will say, go, go watch Kevin's video on Cars and BIDS YouTube channel.

• 1:19:32Speaker 04

  Yes, thank you for reminding me.

• 1:19:34Doug DeMuro?

  Sean, if you want me to get a Daytona, you gotta get one here so I can drive it. Bid on this one.

• 1:19:40Doug DeMuro?

  But there it is. We went and we drove the car and it was just the coolest thing. I had the greatest time and it was a chance for me to meet a hero of mine. I've jumped of that car since I was a kid.

• 1:19:48Speaker 03

  Totally.

• 1:19:48Doug DeMuro?

  And it was, it far exceeded my expectations. Um, and whoever ends up with this car is very lucky indeed. I, I, Daytonas have not been appreciated the way that they deserve to be. Uh, and I hope that that changes because it is just, look at the thing.

• 1:20:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:03Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Unfortunately, there's no other time for more market report stuff that we wanted to talk about Xteros. We went and took my 97 360. We had a good 360. Pull up the 360 result. We gotta move on to questions. We're not gonna talk about the 360 result. It's just gonna sit here. It's just gonna sit here and you're gonna look at it.

• 1:20:17Speaker 03

  It's a high mile car too.

• 1:20:19Doug DeMuro?

  Questions, of course, are brought to you by Cars and Bids. Cars and Bids is the leading authority on cars and on bidding. If you want to bid or if you want cars, you go to Cars and Bids. Oh yeah, dot com there. We have an app too, Filippo?

• 1:20:32Speaker 03

  We do. Yeah. Uh, we have an iOS app and if you've been asking about an Android app, stay tuned.

• 1:20:37Doug DeMuro?

  Stay tuned. That's my God, he's telegraphing. There's a future here. It's like-

• 1:20:41Speaker 03

  Minutes ago, I got an email inviting me to join our, our, our Android testing.

• 1:20:45Doug DeMuro?

  It's like when Stefan Winkelman said they might do a two plus two. Oh, this is, this is that level of, oh my God.

• 1:20:51Speaker 03

  Much more certain and much sooner.

• 1:20:52Doug DeMuro?

  I hope this gets covered in all of the industry publications. Uh, anyway, from OMG Foz, first question. Oh, and remember you can ask questions. Go to carsandbids.com, click on the community tab. The next pod is with Sean. We, we don't, there's not gonna be a questions thing for it. After that, you can ask questions. First question is from OMG Foz, release the Saturn files. I want to talk about this because people have been asking me about it. You, you want to tell the story?

• 1:21:18Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:21:19Doug DeMuro?

  All right, here's the story. Go back to the fall of 22.

• 1:21:23Speaker 03

  Is that when it was?

• 1:21:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:25Speaker 03

  God, it's been a while.

• 1:21:25Doug DeMuro?

  Summer of 22. Uh, um, the fella sold his 430 scootery out on Cars and Bids.

• 1:21:32Speaker 03

  I remember the car.

• 1:21:33Doug DeMuro?

  You're a really nice guy. He lived up in, in, you know, somewhere and, uh, and, and he was great. And he said, hey, listen, he said, um, since you're up here, he said, I also, as a nostalgia thing for my childhood, I bought a 1992 Saturn and it's pristine. Do you want to review it? And I was like, yeah, sure. So I did the scoot, sold the scoot on the site, whatever. Then I did the Saturn, the same day. And the Saturn video has never found a date to go live.

• 1:22:02Speaker 03

  I, by the way, legitimately love the Saturn. We've auctioned a Saturn, I sell.

• 1:22:06Doug DeMuro?

  We actually had the Saturn video on the calendar over last summer, but I pulled it off.

• 1:22:12Speaker 03

  Look at this car.

• 1:22:13Doug DeMuro?

  For something else. Yeah.

• 1:22:15Speaker 03

  I love, this is not the car. I love the Saturn. It's that curved rear glass.

• 1:22:20Doug DeMuro?

  Anyway, any whom, uh, that's the, the, the, the formal way to say any who.

• 1:22:26Speaker 03

  Will it ever be shown to the public?

• 1:22:29Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I don't know. What do you think? Like, my, my thinking is, um, Sean wants us to put it up at some point, probably to stop all the annoying comments.

• 1:22:36Speaker 03

  Plus, to see 2022 Doug, it's been, it's been a while.

• 1:22:39Doug DeMuro?

  Been a while. No beard.

• 1:22:41Speaker 03

  They don't have a beard. Just give me a shot. Your hair was longer or shorter?

• 1:22:44Doug DeMuro?

  The, the, uh, yeah, no, it will be interesting. Uh, I will put it up at some point. The problem is basically this. We now have, we, ever since then, more or less, we've switched to this new format where on Tuesdays I put up video reviews with brand new cars. And on Thursdays I put up video reviews with cars that were selling on Cars and Bids. And the Saturn is neither. And so it's been hard to find a spot for it. You know, I get emails from the automakers almost every day, like, hey, you filmed this car three months ago. Why is the video going up yet? It's like, okay, we gotta put that up. And, or, hey, this car's gotta go live because the seller needs it to be sold. So that video's gotta go up. And they all have a higher priority than the Saturn. Uh, but it's out there.

• 1:23:17Speaker 03

  Can I, okay, Mr. Beast, one of the, the, the top creators on YouTube and Amazon.

• 1:23:22Doug DeMuro?

  Jimmy.

• 1:23:22Speaker 03

  Jimmy, uh, uh, has a thing where he like pre-recorded videos for like Jimmy five years from now, 10 years from now, whatever. And also for once after he dies.

• 1:23:31Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow. Jesus.

• 1:23:32Speaker 03

  Have you considered just kinda saving that for that fateful unfortunate day?

• 1:23:37Speaker 04

  I have an idea.

• 1:23:38Speaker 03

  If it comes up, you get it.

• 1:23:40Speaker 04

  April the first falls on a Tuesday or on a Thursday, I think. So, release it then.

• 1:23:45Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe I'll release it for the five year anniversary of filming it next year, which is probably September.

• 1:23:50Speaker 04

  That's what you should do.

• 1:23:52Speaker 03

  And then 22 and 27.

• 1:23:54Speaker 04

  But Sean has popped up the gopher.

• 1:23:55Doug DeMuro?

  The thing is, I wanna put it up. What, what Sean? We should sell a shirt. We should sell a shirt.

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  Check out.

• 1:24:02Doug DeMuro?

  Between Sean and Filippo, the Cars and Bids promotion.

• 1:24:05Speaker 03

  Berth, berth.carsandbids.com.

• 1:24:07Doug DeMuro?

  I want to, I'm gonna put it up at some point. I gotta find a slot for it. It initially was like, ah, it's been a year. There had been videos that waited a year. Um, and then there was that video that waited a lot longer and I gotta find a place to put it. Uh, but it's been hard.

• 1:24:23Speaker 03

  They're going big into non-vat creators.

• 1:24:27Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question from Row76. Tell us about the mega track. Ah, you're in luck. No, I'm kidding. But man, I, pretty cool, right? Row76, when are we getting Ryan on the pod? Ryan, I'd love to have him on the pod. Normally, he sits and watches the pod, but we haven't been keeping his interest today.

• 1:24:45Doug DeMuro?

  I don't need to do any of these jerks. Uh, someday, Ryan will go on the pod. I think pretty soon, actually, Ryan's planning to be on the pod. I would love to have Ryan on the pod for a lot of reasons. Uh, mainly to kind of get inside his head, get inside his psyche and see what's all going on in there.

• 1:25:00Speaker 03

  See if we can get an explanation.

• 1:25:02Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and you can, he golfs. I mean, he's an interesting fella. He golfs, you can, you can talk about it to him. I don't know.

• 1:25:09Speaker 03

  Please don't talk about it at all.

• 1:25:10Speaker 04

  Golf is interesting. That's definitely what our audience wants to hear. More golf.

• 1:25:14Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe, you want to have Ryan on the pod or not?

• 1:25:16Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 1:25:16Doug DeMuro?

  Kenner?

• 1:25:17Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, I like Ryan.

• 1:25:18Doug DeMuro?

  All right.

• 1:25:19Speaker 04

  I get to be in videos with Ryan. I'm lucky.

• 1:25:21Doug DeMuro?

  That's true. You're around Ryan more than all of us.

• 1:25:23Speaker 03

  Ryan, by the way, you can find him most Mondays on the Cars and Bids YouTube channel.

• 1:25:27Doug DeMuro?

  Check out the Cars and Bids YouTube channel.

• 1:25:29Speaker 03

  Key, the new channel.

• 1:25:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Key, go to Key, you'll see Ryan Lopez 24/7.

• 1:25:34Speaker 03

  Right now, well, depending on when you're watching, like in the next two hours, you'll see a video with Ryan on the Key channel.

• 1:25:40Doug DeMuro?

  You can even ask him about his hair in the comments. Uh, okay, next question. Next question. Uh, Dear Doug from 1Cheap987, Dear Doug, you've mentioned several times you hated working for an OEM and you pity everyone who works for an OEM. If you were forced to pick an OEM right now, who would you choose for? I do not pity people who work at OEMs. I think people who work at OEMs, OEM being car companies, headquarter car companies. I do not, I've definitely never said that I pity people who work for OEMs, ever. I promise I've never said that. The OEM that I worked for...

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• 1:26:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Yeah. That was, I definitely have some pity there. Uh, which was Porsche. It wasn't, it wasn't my best job. Let's put it that way. Um, let's, let's just say if I had to walk behind Filippo cleaning up all of his slop, that might also be a better job than the one I had. I don't know. We're off the rails at this stage. It's all over. What? Filippo, have you ever thought about working for a car company?

• 1:27:12Speaker 03

  Uh, no, not really. I'm a startup guy through and through and even the startup.

• 1:27:17Doug DeMuro?

  Go for RJ.

• 1:27:18Speaker 03

  Even the startup car companies are 100 times larger than I want my company to be.

• 1:27:22Doug DeMuro?

  Go work for Telo, dude.

• 1:27:23Speaker 03

  But Telo is small.

• 1:27:25Doug DeMuro?

  Telo is small, just like the truck. Just like the truck.

• 1:27:28Speaker 03

  Telo Truck Drive.

• 1:27:29Doug DeMuro?

  Um, if you were forced to pick an OEM to work for right now, who'd you choose? Buick. Next question.

• 1:27:35Speaker 03

  You and Mary Barkin, hang on.

• 1:27:37Doug DeMuro?

  Buick. Uh, next question. This is a very interesting question from Ricky Marquez. Ooh. Will the manual Panamera go up in value in the future? This is, this is, the question makes an interesting presumption and that there is a manual Panamera. Uh. Was there? Okay. So here's an interesting thing that a lot of people don't know. When the Panamera first came out in 2010, Porsche made manual transmission rear wheel drive Panameras, both the V6 and the S. There are manual Panamera S, never sold in the United States. Uh, this question asks, there's only 146 of them made. Will they go up in value? Um, one time I was in Stuttgart at a business meeting when I worked for Porsche, the job that was similar to cleaning up Filippo's slop.

• 1:28:22Doug DeMuro?

  And I remember right, right at the factory there at, in Zuffenhausen, which is also Stuttgart. No one knows why they're called both, but they are. Um, you, there's a car, there's a Porsche dealer right there at the factory. And one time I remember after the meeting ended, I was waiting for a ride back to hotel or whatever. And I walked into the dealer and there was a Panamera S sitting there on the showroom. I looked inside and, and it was a stick. Um, and I was like, I knew it existed. Um, but I was like, oh my God, this is so crazy. They, they killed it real quick. Yeah. Um, but it's in claims. Only 146 made, probably most of which were V6s. I think the S's are probably the rare one. Uh, how cool. What a cool thing. Do you think it'll go up in value? I don't know. 928s never went up in value.

• 1:29:02Speaker 03

  You have a Cayenne.

• 1:29:03Speaker 04

  But Cayenne certainly have.

• 1:29:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but it's still not over sticker. Like that one green one, but other than that.

• 1:29:08Speaker 03

  Also, it's only, I think, in the US.

• 1:29:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:29:11Speaker 03

  A manual Cayenne.

• 1:29:12Speaker 04

  That's true, but also I imagine if someone, one day, if Nick is still being crazy, many, and what's that? Because you said 2010, so we gotta wait till 2035?

• 1:29:21Doug DeMuro?

  It's not that far off. Yeah, it's already 16 years old. It's nine years away. They're legal in Canada. You could bring a manual Panamera to Canada today. If you can find one.

• 1:29:28Speaker 04

  Nick could figure out a way.

• 1:29:29Doug DeMuro?

  Godspeed. If you can find one.

• 1:29:30Speaker 03

  Surely it was whoever wanted the cheapest Panamera.

• 1:29:33Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe. I mean, there were probably people who bought S's. They looked cool because like the Carrera GT, the Panamera had the shifter up high. So it was like a high mount shifter. Yeah, see if you can pull one up. Manual Panamera. See if you can pull up an image from the interior. Uh, they're out there.

• 1:29:46Speaker 03

  Wow. Right-hand drive and left-hand drive.

• 1:29:49Speaker 04

  That does not surprise me.

• 1:29:51Doug DeMuro?

  There you go. Look at that. They're out there.

• 1:29:53Speaker 03

  They exist. Wow. Good, good shifter position.

• 1:29:56Doug DeMuro?

  They exist. You want one of these?

• 1:29:59Speaker 03

  Uh, kind of, yeah. I, I do.

• 1:30:01Doug DeMuro?

  You know, the sad thing, the, the truth is the dual clutch was such a good transfer that car.

• 1:30:05Speaker 03

  Swappable though.

• 1:30:06Doug DeMuro?

  Probably not.

• 1:30:07Speaker 03

  Why not?

• 1:30:08Doug DeMuro?

  Because it's a dual clutch. It's not like.

• 1:30:09Speaker 03

  You know, you gotta swap a tire transmission.

• 1:30:11Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, yeah. Buy, buy an $8,400 automatic Panamera, spend $43,000 swapping the last remaining manual transmission.

• 1:30:19Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 1:30:20Speaker 04

  It, that is.

• 1:30:21Speaker 03

  I did not know somehow.

• 1:30:22Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah. You didn't know they existed?

• 1:30:24Speaker 03

  I think vaguely it was somewhere in my mind, but no.

• 1:30:27Speaker 04

  You know, the other one, Alfred, didn't the Alfred Giulia quad portfolio come with a manual in?

• 1:30:30Doug DeMuro?

  Did it?

• 1:30:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, I believe in Italy, correct?

• 1:30:32Doug DeMuro?

  Really? Damn. That'd be a cool car, too. Those are a lot newer.

• 1:30:36Speaker 04

  Those are a lot newer, but they're only.

• 1:30:38Speaker 03

  Was it the quad portfolio? Was it? Yeah, yeah, it was the quad.

• 1:30:41Speaker 04

  It was the quad, yeah.

• 1:30:42Speaker 03

  That's cool.

• 1:30:43Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, next question, we'll do two more very, very quick. Two more from Lawrence. Hi Doug. Why do you no longer include exhaust sound clips in the reviews of performance cars? Like Kenan's AMG V12 powered SL65. Ken, do you want to explain why I didn't do an exhaust clip in that video?

• 1:30:58Speaker 04

  Well, that particular car, it's pretty quiet. It's kind of the

• 1:31:01Doug DeMuro?

  Isn't it, doesn't it not rev?

• 1:31:03Speaker 04

  No, it does.

• 1:31:04Doug DeMuro?

  The reason, the answer, I still do them, to be clear, when I can. Like, I just did the Viper and we did it. But to answer your question, like, almost all new cars do not let you rev and park. Like, 2,000 RPM is the max you can rev. Almost all. In fact, the C8, being a Corvette, has a special mode where you can't rev it in park, but if you pull both paddles at once, you can rev it in park. It's like, you have to confirm that you want to be annoying. But like, almost all of the new cars that I review do not do that. The older ones do, and so I do it when it's appropriate. Like, I didn't do it for the X5, but like, for the Viper, we did it. I did it for the Aston Vanquisher, just coming up. There's a few. The Firebird we have coming up in our office. But that's, that's like, the big problem.

• 1:31:45Doug DeMuro?

  You go to rev, like, the new RS6 Avon, and it revs to 2,000. Like, there are electronic

• 1:31:50Speaker 04

  Forgot that was the thing.

• 1:31:51Speaker 03

  Are there ways? Is it like, neutral or drive?

• 1:31:53Doug DeMuro?

  You try neutral, it doesn't work either. It's the same thing. Cars stop and will not let you rev. It's just like

• 1:31:57Speaker 04

  I'm fine with that. Why?

• 1:31:59Doug DeMuro?

  It's for, maybe for sound. There's all these rules in Europe. Maybe for emissions, maybe for just general annoyance, maybe to protect the engine from cold revving. Like, you start it and want to show your buddies and but a lot of new cars don't do it, from a lot of different brands.

• 1:32:12Speaker 04

  I'd love to know more on the reason, but all those sound plausible.

• 1:32:14Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Uh, final question from Jolly Swag Man. Final question. Dear Doug and team members, thank you for referring.

• 1:32:21Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 1:32:21Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, you all call Southern California home these days, and you're all plugged into the local car enthusiast scene, but you've all lived in various places across the US. How would you compare car culture in some of the other cities where you've lived?

• 1:32:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Happy to answer. Madison, Wisconsin had way more manual hatchbacks, way more my scene as a result.

• 1:32:37Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:32:38Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:32:38Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Okay. What about Baltimore? How was the car culture there?

• 1:32:43Speaker 03

  Great.

• 1:32:44Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:32:44Speaker 03

  No, I don't know. I was, the reality is that before Cars and Bids, cars were always a part of my life. But going to like, car events really

• 1:32:51Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, but you're driving around Baltimore. Like, what are you seeing?

• 1:32:53Speaker 03

  Oh, great, great cars that I love. I love quirky, weird things. There was a, in my neighborhood, there was a There was some old American EV that I'm blanking on that was just parked on the street there.

• 1:33:04Doug DeMuro?

  S10 EV. EV GM EV1.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  No, I fully. There was something that was really interesting that was there. You see cool cars everywhere.

• 1:33:11Doug DeMuro?

  Did you ever?

• 1:33:13Speaker 03

  My folks are in New Hampshire, a lot of manual station wagons.

• 1:33:15Doug DeMuro?

  We're talking about Baltimore car culture. You agree if Nick was on the pod, we'd have to cut out.

• 1:33:18Speaker 03

  We have to cut out every single word.

• 1:33:20Speaker 04

  Yep, that would hit the cutting room pretty hard.

• 1:33:22Doug DeMuro?

  What about your previous place?

• 1:33:25Speaker 04

  In Cleveland, yeah, I found that the thing about Cleveland that's galvanizing is the weather. So when it's nice, we can all use our cars like all come out.

• 1:33:31Doug DeMuro?

  Unfortunate word for that context. Ironic, actually.

• 1:33:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, it is. Yeah, but it really is. And so like I actually found there was a, I found a great group of car people. There's, when I lived there, a surprising number of exotics make their way in from the coast, they end up in the Midwest. And there's also a very, very strong pre-war scene there. So it's a surprisingly, and of course muscle cars and like, there's a pretty diverse actual group of car enthusiasts there. And they're all, we're all very tight. As there's one, the weather's nice, we drive and we're out there going and using them. So yeah, a very good scene. Still friends with a lot of people in the Cleveland car scene out there. So shout out to the land, as it were.

• 1:34:04Doug DeMuro?

  All rust. Worst car scene in the world, Philadelphia. You agree? In America?

• 1:34:09Speaker 03

  No, wasn't there a Veyron in Center City for a while?

• 1:34:11Doug DeMuro?

  You agree, though. Worst car scene in America.

• 1:34:14Speaker 03

  I was walking up Pine and an LFA drove by me.

• 1:34:19Doug DeMuro?

  Sure you were.

• 1:34:19Speaker 03

  No, it was. I have a picture from like 2015 of this happening.

• 1:34:22Doug DeMuro?

  Worst car scene in America, Philadelphia?

• 1:34:25Speaker 03

  I don't agree with that.

• 1:34:26Doug DeMuro?

  It's a city where the people don't have, it's not like New York where like to have a car, you gotta be like rich and quirky. So there are some weird cars around. Philly's the opposite. Street parking is horrible. The culture generally is like things get damaged. Like that's just like general Philly culture. Like it's not a place for cars. People did not get into cars. It's not a driving city. There are no good road. Philly car culture, the worst in America. Not, I'm not saying outside Philly. I'm not coming for you, Wayne. That's where Filippo lived for two years. When he was in his suburban family phase. Of course, he left that family.

• 1:34:56Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:34:59Speaker 03

  They don't know that, but yeah.

• 1:35:01Speaker 04

  Oh, man, that's really... You're close there, buddy.

• 1:35:05Doug DeMuro?

  Who's out there with Italy? Um, worst car collection in America?

• 1:35:09Speaker 03

  I don't agree with that.

• 1:35:10Doug DeMuro?

  What do you think's the worst car?

• 1:35:11Speaker 03

  There's a lot of cities that don't really have any kind of...

• 1:35:14Doug DeMuro?

  That was Philly.

• 1:35:15Speaker 03

  No, Philly had...

• 1:35:15Doug DeMuro?

  Every car in Philly had like 14 of those residential parking permits on the back and was a Toyota Corolla.

• 1:35:20Speaker 03

  We like different things.

• 1:35:22Doug DeMuro?

  It wasn't even cool. It was Toyota Corollas. It was nine-year-old Toyota Corolla.

• 1:35:26Speaker 03

  There were also some cars. One time there was a manual 360 driving around. There was a Skyline, GTR. There was a Hover. There was a Vantage.

• 1:35:34Doug DeMuro?

  I'm so sick of you.

• 1:35:35Speaker 03

  There was an S-Cargo. There was a Viper. I think that's it, though, right? That was all of them.

• 1:35:39Doug DeMuro?

  That was all of them.

• 1:35:40Speaker 03

  Defender.

• 1:35:41Doug DeMuro?

  We had an RDX.

• 1:35:42Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:35:43Doug DeMuro?

  I own an Acura, people. Don't ever forget that. Uh, okay, that's the end. Ken, give us some parting thoughts.

• 1:35:49Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know. I'm very happy SL65 found a new home. Go check out my YouTube channel. I have one more video coming out on that car talking about the auction and walking through that.

• 1:35:56Doug DeMuro?

  We never did the drag race.

• 1:35:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, we never...

• 1:35:59Speaker 03

  A little bit of news.

• 1:36:00Speaker 04

  I have a little bit of news, but that's gonna wait. Here's a teaser. You're gonna have to wait. But we never did do the drag race because Nick and I were scared, but I'm kinda happy we didn't, so it's fine. Plus, then Nick doesn't have to be truly embarrassed of my car.

• 1:36:10Doug DeMuro?

  Ah!

• 1:36:12Speaker 04

  There is that.

• 1:36:13Doug DeMuro?

  Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:36:14Speaker 03

  Goodbye.

• 1:36:14Speaker 04

  Bye.