M5 Touring Review; 715HP 911T Drive; Car Thieves!

We give our take on the new M5 Touring; review the insanely powerful 715HP Porsche 911T built by Flat6Motorsports; and answer your questions about: Is the C4 ZR1 worth the price over the LT1? Keep my allocation for one cool car or go for two cheaper cars: one fun and one practical? Manual swap dream: Ferrari 458 or Porsche 718 RS? What car to buy to keep up with a C7, 997 Carrera, and BMW M2? The CA DMV goes after Tesla autopilot. Is the BMW X5 M Comp better than the new M5 Touring? Is the 4-cylinder Bronco good enough? Putting a gated manual in non-exotics Is Goodwood FOS worth attending? And more! Recorded July 23, 2025 Go to https://www. HelloFresh.com/smokingtire10fm now to get 10 Free Meals with a Free Item For Life. New merch! Grab a shirt or hoodie and support us! https://thesmokingtireshop.com/ Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody, welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. Today's episode is, as always, brought to you by Off the Record. We love Off the Record, and you guys too. A few of our patrons hit us up recently and said Off the Record really saved their backsides when they got pulled over for allegedly doing some things they shouldn't have been doing. Off the Record is a service that connects you with local qualified attorneys who will fight your case in court if needed. They'll negotiate with the prosecutor, do all the things. So, when you go to offtherecord.com/tst, all you have to do is include a photo or scan of your ticket, a brief description of what happened in your own words, and Off the Record

• 0:43Matt Farah?

  will set it up from there. Don't plead guilty, get off the record. I'm telling you, I hear every week from folks who listen to our show and get off the record, and they get their backsides saved. So, do it. OfftheRecord.com/tst for 10% off all legal services with Off the Record. Alright, on today's show, Zach and I give our review of the BMW M5. Although, before we get to that, I must say that it is possible our car was broken and they will be sending us another one next week. We also drove the 715 horsepower, flat-six motorsports Carrera T. It was quite nuts, and we talk about that.

• 1:28Matt Farah?

  But first, I suspect my neighbor has been hit by the Kia boys. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go.

• 1:39Speaker 01

  Did I tell you that when I saw, I think I did, when I saw Blues Traveler, they came out to America, fuck yeah, and I started like shout singing it, and Sarah's stepdad was like, looking at me like, "What song is this?"

• 1:53Matt Farah?

  That's something, oh, that's so funny. It's now, we're now removed enough from that movie that you will confuse people if you're enthusiastic about that song like "Play." Like if someone, if you're in like a town, let's say we're on a shoot somewhere, you know, in a small town in a state that maybe we're not familiar with, and we go to a bar with one of those jukeboxes, and you throw on "America Fuck Yeah."

• 2:23Matt Farah?

  A few people will understand what you're doing and laugh. Like when Thad read the Fast and the Furious speech at my wedding.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:31Matt Farah?

  Like 10% will be like, ah, I see what you did there. And then a bunch of other people will be like, wait, what is this? What have I missed? Is this a new Toby Keith song?

• 2:40Speaker 01

  100%.

• 2:44Matt Farah?

  And then it'll turn into, eventually, it might become Born in the USA.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:51Matt Farah?

  Or Fortunate Son, you know, or like-

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Cause I don't know what the second verse is, but like the chorus is right up a lot of people's alley right now.

• 2:58Matt Farah?

  I mean, the whole song is about America being the bad guy.

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Coming to save the motherfucking day.

• 3:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, about America's being the bad guy. But like, I, I, we regularly find out that people don't really know what like Born in the USA is about or things like that. Anyway, hi, hi, everybody. It's, uh, it's already been a day for me. I filmed three cars this morning. I'm back to my like one take days, except now it's for Bring a Trailer.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Oh, that's what you did this morning? I was like, what'd you do?

• 3:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I had to film, yeah. I had to, I had to do, do a walk around and drive videos with a, a very nice Panamera Turbo. A E63 wagon and, um, and a supercharged E92 M3.

• 3:41Matt Farah?

  The Panamera would be like the sickest daily for somebody. It's got like 118,000 miles on it, but it's really nice shape. And it's like the most unbelievable yacht. I think it's, it might literally be yachting blue with like a cream, like a light cream and blue interior. Like it, this thing is, um, it is specked out exactly like one would spec out a boat. It's, it must've matched the first owner's boat.

• 4:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's so, it's so-

• 4:12Speaker 01

  There's a picture somewhere of them parked on the dock.

• 4:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's fucking slick, debadged as well. So it's kind of sleepy. It's nice, yeah.

• 4:21Speaker 01

  That's very cool.

• 4:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah, super sleeper.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 4:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they're cool. So that's what I've done today. We're getting ready to go leave for Texas tomorrow. So it's like, this is, I don't know, for me, the day before any trip. But for some reason, this week, like, it's just a shit show of like, I have to tie every loose end before I leave. Otherwise, it's gonna be problematic. Yeah, it's like, it's the final push. And you have to take care of other business things, too. Yeah, and when you have like, multiple jobs, and the jobs are like, yeah, they're car jobs or whatever, but they're not the same thing. Like, I have to like, finish a road and track column that I'm doing about an electric motorcycle today. Or electric motorcycles in general. I have to like, we have to do this, what we're doing right now. I had to do those three videos.

• 5:08Matt Farah?

  The second we finish this, I have a team meeting downstairs. I have my trainer, because I can't, I have to train the day before we leave, because I won't train. And then, after that, I have to do like, a three-car shuttle this afternoon, and then pack. And like, it's like,

• 5:28Matt Farah?

  It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot of things. At the end of the day, you go, I did so much. I did so much. Yeah. Yeah, I'll forget all of it. I'll be like, that's just another day, to the end of it. You know, like, when you go on a big hike, and you're like, dying going up, and then, by the time you're like, halfway back down, you've like, pretty much forgotten that you just did the up. Totally. Or when you get to like, your destination hiking, and then you're just, oh yeah, that was a lot of work. That was, and now I'm here. Right. Yeah. Hannah and I did a big hike over the weekend, and it was, it wasn't technically challenging. Oh, it was Mesa Peak, which you did with us once. Not technically challenging, but it's, it's enough steep, that for a little bit, you're like, I could do this.

• 6:10Matt Farah?

  But when it just continues at that, you know, whatever it is, thirty degrees or of incline. It was like, fourteen hundred feet, two and a half miles, it's just at this, it's not like, up, down, and then up, and then, it was just.

• 6:27Matt Farah?

  By the end, you're, you're, my, uh, like, my shins are, like, toasty.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Dude, I-

• 6:32Matt Farah?

  Shins and my calves.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  I went hiking in Colorado, and it was supposed to be a three and a half mile hike. And the only shoes I had were my Onitsuka Tigers, which I've worn, like, for years. And I went, eh, three and a half miles, like, that's fine. And we get, and so this trail is mixed use. It's mountain bike and, uh, hiking. And they'd recently revised it, and my, the family that I was hiking with hadn't, like, they hadn't been on the trail since the, the, the changes. So we walked past this sign that has a gate that says, like, bikes only these days. But it's on our left. We went, okay, we're not going that way. Like, we're going over here. But that's cool they've added that. So we get to the, you know, 1.75 mile thing. We've climbed about 2,000 feet. It's gorgeous. We, we saw a deer. Awesome. And we get to where we're supposed to U-turn and come back down a different trail.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  And there's a gate and it's closed. And it's like, bikes only odd days. Hiking only even days. And it is an odd day.

• 7:26Matt Farah?

  Uh-oh.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  So we are going, oh, oh, we can't, and we didn't know, like-

• 7:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you're already there.

• 7:32Speaker 01

  We're there. My family's like, this was our way back. This is our three and a half mile hike.

• 7:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  And so, and we, for a moment, we deliberate, like, can we do this? And we look down. It's just, it's just bike tracks. And we, we know that if, if bikers are on this trail, they think there's no people walking.

• 7:47Matt Farah?

  And they're ripping.

• 7:48Speaker 01

  They're ripping. It's not safe. It's not fair. You get fined. We go, we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna be those people.

• 7:52Matt Farah?

  That's a pain in the ass, dude.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  So we had to turn around, and because we had walked down, like, basically, we ended up doing six and a half miles on my Onitsuka Tigers. My foot, like, the outside tendons of my foot was fucked for eight days. Like, legitimately had to limp around. Yeah.

• 8:07Matt Farah?

  You weren't with me when we tried to do, in my boat in Connecticut, when we had the little boat. We tried to go from Greenwich all around Manhattan and back.

• 8:15Speaker 01

  I was.

• 8:15Matt Farah?

  Were you?

• 8:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:16Matt Farah?

  And then we couldn't do it because the bridge was closed?

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, and Zimmerman was there, right?

• 8:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah. We what, we did three quarters of the way around the island of Manhattan, only for them to be like, sorry, sir, bridge closed. And I was not sure if we had enough gas to go all the way back. We did ultimately, but yeah, like, shit. Oh crap. Yeah, imagine that, but toes. Yeah, no, hiking a long way in the wrong shoes is bad. It fucks your shit up. It was fine, and then all of a sudden, it really wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. I just, first hike this weekend, my first new pair of, I've worn the Merrells, like your standard issue fucking Merrell hiking boot, for 25 years, since they've had it. They're for wide feet, they're awesome, but I was finally like, you know what?

• 9:05Matt Farah?

  Let's try something new. And so I got some Obos. Oh, I have those. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, they're very, very comfortable, but they're, they don't, they're not as wide. They don't have this, like, the elephant foot, like my dumb New Balances with the elephant foot stance. Yeah, the tread is out. Yeah. So it's not as laterally good, but it's really, really comfortable, um, this way. Did you get a boot or a trail shoe? I got a boot. I need, I need a high top. Okay. Like a day hiking, day hiking. I need the ankle support. Although mine, mine are about five years old, and the tread has peeled off on the outside of two of them. You hike so much, and you've been hiking on one pair of boots for five years. You should, you should be getting new boots. Well, now the tread has fallen off. Yeah.

• 9:47Matt Farah?

  That's when, that's usually my signal, is when it starts to peel, I go, that's the time. Yeah. But I hike a decent amount, so for me, that's like every two years. Yeah, you hike more often than I do. I just do big trips when I do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We do the day hike, like, every other week or so. Um, anyway, hi, everybody, cars, cars, cars, cars, cars. We went hiking, uh, I'll, I'll segue. Hannah and I took the BMW M5 Touring hiking. Uh, we drove it up to Malibu, and, uh, and there is one of those photos is actually, that I had, is actually us at the, at the Malibu Creek Trailhead. Uh, so I can, there it was. Ah, I proved I was there. You know, I took that, I took that photo not to show the car, but to like timestamp it for if I got a parking ticket. Oh. You know what I mean?

• 10:32Matt Farah?

  You gotta, you gotta get your own evidence. Right. Yeah, you do. Shit, privatized. Yeah. You know what I mean? And so, yeah, um, so there's a little 996 C4S in the background there, too. Um, so I, the M5 Touring. Uh, a certain very famous British journalist, good friend of ours, who we've worked with, and generally trust his opinion. Has said so many nice things about this car. Other journalists, uh, that we agree with most of the time have said this car is terrible. Um, other journalists that we only disagree, that we only agree with sometimes, it's, it's, it's all over the place. People love it, people hate it.

• 11:13Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 11:14Matt Farah?

  Uh, I have to say, I'm leaning towards the don't love it side. It, it, it, it really doesn't work for me at all. But I didn't want to talk about it until you drove it, because I think I would sound insane.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  No, no, I, I, look, I drove it for two days. I did not go to the canyons with it. So my experience is definitely limited.

• 11:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:37Speaker 01

  But in that limited experience, I have not found anything.

• 11:42Matt Farah?

  Please say, please say redeemable.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  I, I, I'm struggling to go, I like this aspect, or I like that aspect, and it's, sure, the seats are comfortable, but, um, there's just, there's so much happening. There's a styling thing, the, the ride, we should really talk about, because that's not a subjective. Um, lack of exhaust note is weird. So, you know, you drove it dynamically, I drove it around town.

• 12:06Matt Farah?

  I drove it mostly around town and a little bit dynamically.

• 12:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Where do you want to start then?

• 12:11Matt Farah?

  Okay, here's, here's, what I told you, and what I think I will stand by is, if I were to write a review of this car, what I would basically do is take the review that I did write for the 2013 BMW X5M, change almost nothing, and then print it. Because when you start to go fast, you go, wow, this thing's really heavy, and it gets around that corner. Uh, o- okay, but like, a lot of things that are not so heavy get around the cor- and like, it's like, this is the, the culmination of this spiral of tech to solve weight and weight to solve tech.

• 12:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:53Matt Farah?

  Right? And now, so like, around town, like, I, I, after the first time I drive it, I don't like to do this, but I'm going to, uh, this time, I texted Jason Camisa. Guys, we gotta take one quick. Quick break from the action for HelloFresh. And I absolutely love HelloFresh. People can love HelloFresh for different reasons, right? HelloFresh could really save you time if you're tired of wasting time going to the grocery store. HelloFresh can save you efficiency in your shopping if you don't want to buy oversized portions of spices and ingredients only to make a small meal for you or you and one other person. It cuts down on waste. HelloFresh is a variety.

• 13:38Matt Farah?

  Maybe you get into a rut and want to eat different things all the time, and HelloFresh can do that. I love HelloFresh because I love to cook. And I don't always love to shop, and I don't always love the process of trying to figure out what to make that gets me out of my sort of 10 go-to habits, you know? And HelloFresh, it makes it easier to fit quick, home-cooked meals into my schedule every week by curating those recipes and then sending the ingredients right to my door. Stuff like panko-crusted chimichurri barramundi, or sun-dried tomato grilled cheese sandoz, as well as all of these seasonal snacks, sides, and treats, right?

• 14:19Matt Farah?

  I like it because they send me all these recipes that I've chosen from their chef selections on their website, and then I keep the recipe card. That way, if I want to make this delicious thing for more people than just me and my wife later, then I have that recipe and I can always go back to it. I'm always trying to cook new things and learning new techniques, new flavoring techniques, and stuff can be ready in just three minutes sometimes for the new ready-made meals. Or if you want to cook it, typically 30 minutes, sometimes a little more. But every HelloFresh meal uses high-quality ingredients, including seasonal fresh produce, proteins that travel from the farm to your doorstep, and are simple with easy-to-follow

• 15:04Matt Farah?

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• 15:48Matt Farah?

  That's hellofresh.com slash Smoking Tire 10 FM for 10 free meals and a free item in every box. Hellofresh.com slash Smoking Tire 10 FM. One per box with active subscription. Free meals are applied as a discount on the first box. New subscribers only. Varies by plan. And now, back to the show. I just got the M5 wagon. I do not understand how this thing has all of the active ride control on the planet and still rides like a pile of dog shit with no suspension at all. He said, "Thank you." I said, "What is wrong with this car?"

• 16:25Matt Farah?

  He said, uh, he said, um, so wait, uh, he said, "I just, uh, I'm not going to repeat that because that was told to me in confidence." I said, "Is this really supposed to compete with Porsche's hydraulic active suspension? Get the fuck out of here, right?" He said, "I drove it back to back with active ride and it was like driving Fred Flintstone's car versus a Rolls Royce. Even the RS6 felt like magic."

• 16:54Matt Farah?

  I said, "I cannot believe how bad this is. I mean, I heard people when they told me, but this is really something." And he said, "Please make that opinion public."

• 17:03Speaker 01

  So you told me all this stuff and I get, I pick up the car from your house and I drove... A minute.

• 17:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  And I said, and I had the same thing you said to me in the car. It feels like there is adaptive steering turned on, but not in a way that actually really controls the car, just enough to make you wonder if a system is on.

• 17:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  It moves like an inch left and right.

• 17:24Matt Farah?

  Dude, it's the.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  It's very strange.

• 17:25Matt Farah?

  BMW's a new gaslight steering system. It's powered by.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  They tell you it's not on, but it's on.

• 17:31Matt Farah?

  It's powered by.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  And you posited that this is happening because it has maybe three degrees of negative camber in the front.

• 17:37Matt Farah?

  Well, and if you look at the front tires too, they're on the wear bars. These hand cooks on this thing. I don't know where this specific car has been, but my guess is a fucking racetrack a lot. So like, this car could be shot, or this car could be some cheater ass car that they sent to a test that has some crazy alignment in it, but it darts all over the goddamn road.

• 18:02Speaker 01

  But it, but it doesn't move around as much as GT 500 or, you know, C7 Corvette Grand Sport. Like those moved so much, like you, you felt like you were wrestling the car back, especially around here. This is so minute. It's minute, but unsettling.

• 18:18Matt Farah?

  And inconsistent.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's also, it's inconsistent also. And then the ride is this weird like under damped situation.

• 18:25Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 18:26Speaker 01

  Where it does like pogo a bit and it, it does not float across the land whatsoever.

• 18:32Matt Farah?

  And so like, okay, like it's got a, it, it's bigger, so it's better at everyday things, I guess, right? Like it has this huge trunk, it has a huge backseat, like it's like the biggest M5 ever. So like, it should be bet like, better at like everyday stuff, but driving it around town like sucks. It just, it rides so badly and you have to like wrestle the steering constantly. It's so strange.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Well, that's what makes me think, you know, Chris says it's great. The roads are smoother in most of UK than they are here, but Jason lives in a different part of California. We've talked to other people. I'm wondering if this one has like a broken damper computer or the dampers are broken after someone went to the track because maybe that explains the difference in opinion.

• 19:18Matt Farah?

  If you put it in dynamic mode. And, and i- i- it gets not much stiffer, but the body control gets better. I mean, how could it get any stiffer? It's like the springs are, it's, you know, so, but if you put it in dynamic plus, which is what sport mode is, the suspension does get more controlled because the damper actually starts damping. Um, it's still really stiff and in my opinion, not very pleasant on most roads. Um, but it does improve it. It's weird that like the normal mode is like unusable and you have to put it, so if you bought one, you'd make your individual mode

• 20:01Matt Farah?

  or whatever. Uh, but how weird would it be to have like your individual mode be like comfort powertrain and sport plus suspension? That would be the most bizarre

• 20:10Speaker 01

  Very strange.

• 20:11Matt Farah?

  individual mode ever.

• 20:13Speaker 01

  And the opposite of every car we've driven, pretty much.

• 20:15Matt Farah?

  And so I wanted, uh, to go back to the, the conversation I had with Jason for just a second. He says, the next thing we start talking about, uh, uh, wait, wait, wait. Um, okay. Uh, in related news, he says, I finally drove the A110 around a bumpy corner. Excuse me, but what the fuck? Uh, this, there's a hundred and twenty degree right angle with huge bumps that upsets every car. Most feel like you're gonna pop a tire and roll over, including the M5. Alpine sent engineers to smooth out the pavement first and then rough it back up for everything else after I blew up, blew it. That car, you know, light car,

• 21:00Matt Farah?

  just it, the bump disappears.

• 21:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 21:03Matt Farah?

  This thing, it feels like it happens three times.

• 21:05Speaker 01

  This thing, it feels like it makes new bumps when you drive, like driving from your place to my place.

• 21:09Matt Farah?

  It does. It invents new bumps. It's so crazy.

• 21:13Speaker 01

  I mean, only my car moves around this much. Uh.

• 21:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah, this is the gaslightiest car. It invents new bumps. It invents new, uh, uh, ADAS features that are, that don't exist.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  I think this is, this is, to go back to what you said, like, this is the Bermuda Triangle of tech where it's pulled in tech from. From all these corners and the result is like this black hole that just takes everything good away. It's very, I mean it's super huge. It doesn't ride like a luxury car and the M5 is a performance car, but it's a performance luxury car. And this has lost the luxury in my opinion.

• 21:47Matt Farah?

  Like even if this is faster around a track than a Panamera or an RS6, who's buying this for a track day? You're buying this to drive to the track, to do the track day in your GT3. Like who are we kidding? These kind of cars need to ride well. Bar none. No one's going to a track. Maybe as a goof, you do a track day in this as a gag.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  I think it's like, it's the body control that's strange. Cause I drove the Taycan GTS when I was in Georgia last year. Like that was a pretty stiff car. You know, if you're in Georgia, the roads are smooth, it's good. Around here, it would be pretty stiff.

• 22:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they were stiff here.

• 22:26Speaker 01

  So that's like setting this into dynamic mode. But this seems like it has the control to, you know, remove all the damper, but then the suspension's so stiff. But it's stiff, but it like bounces enough, you know, like a hobby horse thing at a playground because like it's all spring. I don't know. It's really strange. There's a lack of control when you're in comfort mode.

• 22:48Matt Farah?

  All right. Let me be nice about it for a minute. It's ludicrously fast and violent in a straight line. Did you do like a proper launch and go through like four gears?

• 22:57Speaker 01

  No, because it doesn't warm up between here and there.

• 22:59Matt Farah?

  Okay. So I did and it spun all four tires in second gear and from, you know, 20, 20 to about 120. It was like, I mean, literally it felt like a Hellcat. Like a hooked up Hellcat. In terms of not just the sound, but the violence of it. It was very, very, and I actually think in turn, when Jason did his drag race, the Panamera was actually quicker. But the Panamera Turbo SE Hybrid, it's really smooth. It's never violent. This, if you kick everything up to max and flat foot it, it does deliver a violence, which

• 23:40Matt Farah?

  I think is much more unique than either the Panamera or the RS6, neither of which are ever that. Maybe that's special edition RS6, but certainly not a regular.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  I mean, that was fast, but it wasn't violent.

• 23:52Matt Farah?

  So like, should you have the occasion to use that? Like this thing's, it...

• 23:59Matt Farah?

  Even if it's like a couple tents behind the Panamera, it's still fucking halls.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 24:04Matt Farah?

  Halls. You would, you would really scare somebody in this. And I did actually really scare Hannah in a couple of corners. Where she said, "I can't believe this car just went this fast through a corner." I mean, so it really, it does the thing, right? It goes through the corner, it, you know, in the same way a 2009 Nissan GTR did the thing. But like, it, to me, wasn't ever that fun. This is now, this is that, like, god, hell, if, if Paul Zuckerman came over for coffee right now in an E39M5.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:38Matt Farah?

  And I drove it 100 yards around the block, I guarantee you I would fall in love. Like, when I went to Japan, we went to Japan for a drive, and I spent two days driving around that GTR Nismo, whatever the fuck. Black, black series Nismo, whatever it was, the big wing.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, R34, right?

• 24:53Matt Farah?

  No, no, well, the first one, 35. I did the 35 press car for a couple of days, and then I returned it and got an R34, and went,

• 25:03Matt Farah?

  "Driver's car."

• 25:05Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:05Matt Farah?

  You know what I mean? Like, man, this ain't it. This is, there's a thousand computers in between everything you do and the road, and then the other direction, too.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  Now, is the regular, and I should have looked this up as I asked this, but is a regular 5-series wagon, you know, because the M's have always been like, let's take the, the existing thing, add some performance, and that's the car. So is this, are the problems and aspects of this thing being dictated by the lower 5-series?

• 25:30Matt Farah?

  Don't know.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Or is this because, well, you got London needs you to have an EV, and, but people still want to go fast, and, and, you know, these companies are just being forced to combine everything into a Turducken.

• 25:39Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  And this, the execution of this is just not great.

• 25:42Matt Farah?

  Don't know. And I'd be very interested to see if there's a regular 5-series wagon, which I don't actually know, maybe we could figure out. If there's a, a regular one, and, and, you know, BMW owns Alpina now. If there was an Alpina version of this that was tuned for highway, that was, you know, tuned for performance, but for highway road performance, not fucking Nürburgring performance, I bet it would be rad. Because the interior, I don't hate it. I mean, I well, I kinda hate it. It's a lot of haptics.

• 26:16Speaker 01

  It's a lot of haptics. I don't like the design styling of it. I think it looks like a laser tag arena. But, but that's me. Like, I would love, I really would like to show it to a 24-year-old and be like, "Do you like this?" Because what it, what I will say it is, is it is very different inside. I do mean that as a compliment. You know, Mercedes has always, has continued to have these really wonderful, like, round, smooth, old-school, like, shapes and things, very, like, aviation. And this goes the other way. I mean, what you see on the outside of these hard angles is mirrored on the inside, but it is distinct. So, maybe some, some people like it.

• 26:51Matt Farah?

  Well, I'll tell you what, driving it around and parking it at grocery stores and, you know, retail establishments for a few days, people who have never driven it, love it. They love, I mean, I love the color, you know?

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, color's good green.

• 27:09Matt Farah?

  I don't like the shape of it, but I do like the color of it. The fact that it is a wagon does give it some points, but not infinite points.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:18Matt Farah?

  But people who saw it at the street, at the, at the store, fucking loved it. So...

• 27:25Speaker 01

  So, there, there are other 5 Series wagons that are not available here. But they do make an electric i5, and you can get that in both eDrive 40 and M60 forms. So, it's either primarily electric, or there's a lot of electric versions. So, they had the architecture. They had all the stuff. So, I guess it does make sense that this has that.

• 27:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. If they, if they did an Alpina one that was tuned for ride, I bet it would be rad.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:53Matt Farah?

  You know? And not tuned for racetracks.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  So, I think that goes to, would that be... Are they stuck in this box of M, where if they made it more luxurious, it would be a better car?

• 28:04Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  Given the new criteria for cars. Yeah. I think that's tough.

• 28:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And, and, and to their credit, like, the actual, like, hybrid-ness of it isn't bad.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  No.

• 28:14Matt Farah?

  It has, like, a legitimate, probably 40-mile electric range in the city.

• 28:20Matt Farah?

  It has enough power to really, if you commute... 15 miles, you could never turn on the gas engine, but like, is that what you're buying an M5 for? Something about the Panamera Turbo SE Hybrid, to me, and even the Bentley GT, I feel like because they're tuned for comfort, are like better as electric. Like when a car is really stiff, it being an EV, like, it doesn't help it that much.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  Right, yeah, they seem conflicted.

• 28:48Matt Farah?

  It's not that same serene experience that you want out of an EV.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  But I will push back that, like, if the M5 was always this luxury performance, that it was a do everything car, right? It was just a larger version of the M3. I think it's very cool to have EV mode and then go fast holy shit mode. I mean, if I'm gonna spend a lot of money, the world can do everything for me. That is the natural evolution of automobiles. The problem is that it adds weight, of course.

• 29:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah, a lot of it, and so, you know, you wonder if that... Versus like some of the really light hybrids, that like the 296, things like that, where you have like a 2 kilowatt hour battery that can really just help fill torque, but you don't have this giant pack you need to lug around.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  I think for folks like us, like drivers, that's what we would want. I could see, you know, BMW planners or customers that go, "Oh, I have a Tesla, but I also like the M stuff. Can you put that in one sandwich, please?" And that's kind of what they've done, but the result is, I think it's hard to get it right. I think Porsche does a better job.

• 29:54Matt Farah?

  It's like fucking, it's like a sandwich on man versus food. You know what I mean? Like, at a certain point, you go, "God, I just, I wish there was just less shit on this." You know, like, you didn't have to put everything in the burrito.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  And that's why they quit the show, because they're like, "I'm gonna die."

• 30:12Matt Farah?

  It's just, it's too much. Like, I don't know, I think we need to get out of this fucking spiral, because it's basically an X5M at this point. If it was a little taller, it would be an X5M. It's 700 pounds heavier than my fucking Taycan wagon, like, come on. My fully electric, half the car's a goddamn battery.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  What year is your Taycan again?

• 30:37Matt Farah?

  2022.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  2022.

• 30:38Matt Farah?

  It's like, my car's like 5,049 pounds or something.

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 30:44Matt Farah?

  Taycan 4 Cross Teresmo?

• 30:45Speaker 01

  The M5 is only five inches longer than your car. Parking in my garage was very funny.

• 30:52Matt Farah?

  I saw the photos.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Did you see my photo? Like, I had about two inches on either end and I got so focused on just making it fit without chopping off the nose of this thing with the garage door. And the backup camera in this car is not great. It has like a parallax thing that makes the... I wish the camera was mounted higher, looking down at the bumper, because it's very... It's more rearward, but then it distorts the sides. So like, all my shelves looked like they were suddenly 800 feet tall. And it was very hard to get close to them. But once I finally parked, I get out and I go, "Okay, it's gonna fit." Like, this was really tight. And then I realized that the only outlet in my garage is at the back wall. And I did not have enough room to get there to plug in the charger to then plug... I didn't plan ahead and like run the cable.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  And I just looked at it, I was like, "I'm not moving it again."

• 31:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, that's another journalist's problem. They'll say in the comments, "This is your problem."

• 31:43Speaker 01

  It was. It totally wasn't my problem. But it was a funny thing that happened. I went, "I'm not moving it again." It was already too dicey.

• 31:48Matt Farah?

  If you drive around with the gas engine running, it charges itself pretty fast. It does. And I think if you have it in Sport Plus mode... I didn't drive it for an extended period in the canyons, because I have my wife with me and she gets motion sickness, but particularly in this car. But it seems to me that driving in Sport Plus, unless you're on a racetrack, really doesn't drain the battery. You get the performance of the E-Boost, but you're not in the pedal long enough to... Yeah, for it to do it. And it can, when you brake, it can engine drag and... Or torque drag as well to regenerate, so... I'm gonna go with not for me.

• 32:32Matt Farah?

  I think that Porsche's execution of this formula and Bentley's sub-execution of that formula are substantially better.

• 32:44Speaker 01

  Sure, I mean, the Bentley costs like twice as much as this.

• 32:46Matt Farah?

  It does, but it basically operates... It's a Panamera Turbo S underneath it, just with its own, you know, tune. In fact, now, I mean, who knows about maybe the next, the facelift or the next gen, but now the Panamera's... Probably the better car with the hydraulic suspension. Bentley has an air suspension.

• 33:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:03Matt Farah?

  So like, if you actually want the better driving car, you should get the Panamera right now.

• 33:07Speaker 01

  Get the magic ride.

• 33:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  We should find out if this, if maybe the dampers are broken on this thing. I hope they are. I hope it's not.

• 33:13Matt Farah?

  I don't think the dampers are broken. I think, and did you feel, by the way, the vibration at the front end? I think one of the tires was flat spotted because there is a vibration above like 60 miles an hour through the steering wheel. Um, the tires are super bald, all of them. Um, I, I would, and it's possible it has, and the inners are significantly more worn than the outers. Um, so it, this car may have had an alignment that is possibly more aggressive than what it should have.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  Interesting. I wondered, did Jason have this at Thermal? Like, we knew he was there. It'd be very funny if he had this car there.

• 33:51Matt Farah?

  If it was this very car, and it was like, this thing sucks and it's because of you.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, he doesn't say it. Yeah.

• 33:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, I should, uh, check the license plate with, uh, with his records.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  You should. I'm curious if we have the same one. Cause if, if we have different cars and you guys have the same report, then it goes, okay, this is the problem with the M5. If you guys had the same car, I think I'm remaining optimistic.

• 34:13Matt Farah?

  Problem with this M5.

• 34:14Speaker 01

  Right, exactly, exactly.

• 34:16Matt Farah?

  I, no, no, it's getting picked up. Is it today or tomorrow? I think it's getting picked up today. Well, we're, I, I, my plan is to ask them to, I mean, you know, one might say it's, it's maybe not, uh, quite fair to, uh, to like judge the car before we know for sure. Um, what the fuck? Is it today or tomorrow? Uh, but, uh, it's tomorrow, Thursday, um, which is good because after the show, I need you to drive me home.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 34:45Matt Farah?

  Cause I have to leave the 911 T here, cause we're leaving.

• 34:48Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:49Matt Farah?

  Can't drive anymore. It's gonna get picked up. Should we move on from the M5 and talk about that? Do you want to talk about the Carrera T?

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:56Matt Farah?

  Alright, so yeah, the M5 is gonna be a, it's gonna be a pass for me. But, respect to Chris Harris. And also, I took this photo of the wheels because I actually really like them.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  You do?

• 35:08Matt Farah?

  I think the wheels are cool.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  I do not.

• 35:10Matt Farah?

  I know not everybody does, but I think they look cool. But, you know, if you like that car, uh, okay, and we're gonna ask BMW if... But wait, go to that, on my Instagram real quick. Just look at it next to the Taycan, on the top right. And, look at what pretty is. Tell me, I mean, tell me the Taycan is not a significantly prettier wagon.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  I agree. When I picked it up at your house, I took a photo of each car, and I'm gonna put it in my stories like one above the other because the Taycan, it's just, that's just my style of shape.

• 35:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 35:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:44Matt Farah?

  There is a trade-off. The M5 has a bigger trunk, the M5 has a bigger backseat. But, like, in terms of pretty? Gold, gold medal to Taycan.

• 35:55Speaker 01

  This era of design for BMW, we'll see how it ages with people. I'm curious, but it's not, I have not warmed to it.

• 36:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 36:01Speaker 01

  I have a, I got a photo of the 911s somewhere.

• 36:04Matt Farah?

  Uh, oh, I, shit, I didn't post or airdrop. Oh, you put it on your Instagram, Zach Lepman. A company out of Florida called Flat 6 Motorsports saw the video we did with the twin-turbo Cayman from a few weeks ago and said, "Hold up. Are you telling me that if I send you my car, you might be interested in it?" And I said, "That depends what the car is," and they said, "Well, it's a Carrera T manual with a full interior, comfort spec, and it makes 715 horsepower." And I went, "That sounds fucking delightful. Let's go."

• 36:42Matt Farah?

  And he said you can have it for like two weeks. Uh, shout out to John, uh, at Flat 6 Motorsports for sending the car. Uh, Zach took it up the hill and actually got to drive it back to back, uh, with our buddy Misha's, uh, 991.2 GT3 Touring, so has a little direct comparison there. Um, I drove it as well, a lot, actually. Um, drove it on the mountain. I, I daily'd it for a few days. I, I drove it this morning because I knew it would be the last day with it and I will miss it because wow, what a fucking quality package we are talking about here. Yeah.

• 37:21Matt Farah?

  So these guys, it turns out the, the 3-liter Carrera motor that they use in all Carrera, uh, 992s and 991.2s, an earlier version of it, uh, has fully forged internals. Yep. Um, and you know, the, the base car and then the S GTS, they have progressively bigger, uh, turbos, but they never get that big. And so Flat 6 Motorsports puts a 67-millimeter, uh, set of turbos on this thing. Uh, CSF intercoolers, um, it's got an exhaust, it's got a numeric short shift kit. They do Olin's, uh, suspension, triple adjustable. Uh, it has a set of forged wheels and super sticky tires.

• 38:05Matt Farah?

  The wheels are, uh, plus one, uh, plus 20 millimeters all around width. Mm-hmm. Um, and then they have- So the wheels and tires are the same as a GT2 RS, I think? Yeah. They don't rub. They look like they should, but they don't, which is interesting. Um, there is a little bit of that Ackerman happening when you go full lock, when you're like backing out of a parking space, but the price you pay for speed if my, if I'm not. Uh, and then, um, and then it's, and that's, it's got an M Engineering tune. And then there's some other like bits and bobs, but like those are pretty much, I don't want to say that's it, but like- It's not an enormous list of parts. It's just some very well chosen and high quality items.

• 38:48Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 38:48Matt Farah?

  And a great tune on an already very strong engine. And fuck me, does it go fast.

• 38:55Speaker 01

  Extremely fast. And it's very, to jump ahead, like it's well executed. Everything works well. You know, CarPlay, all those systems work perfectly, but it was really like the tuning of the engine, the power band, how smooth it was. There were no holes in it. There were no, none of those weird valleys you get. I mean, that's literally credit to M Engineering who tuned your Boxer Spider.

• 39:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:16Speaker 01

  Like, this is what they do. They do really good pro tunes and this has a really good pro tune.

• 39:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So it, it, it sounds only a little bit louder than the stock car from the exhaust side, but you do get a bunch of extra turbo whistle.

• 39:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot. It's great.

• 39:34Matt Farah?

  It's a lot of turbo whistle. Amazingly, we, as we learned, the stock clutch holds this, this power.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Stock clutch, stock flywheel, stock trans, all that stuff.

• 39:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 39:45Speaker 01

  According to John at Flat6, it's Porsche just overbuilds it. They use the same one for...

• 39:51Matt Farah?

  Sport Classic.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, Sport Classic, which has, you know, was it 580 horsepower, something like that. But either way, it's over engineered. So I don't know how long it'll last. I don't know if there's a timeline that's significantly shortened, but...

• 40:03Matt Farah?

  Well, if Porsche will sell it in a car with 500 and whatever horsepower that has, five something, it's gonna be good for like a couple thousand drag launches, right? At that, you'd, you'd have to try pretty hard to fuck that clutch up if it was at stock level, right?

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:23Matt Farah?

  You'd have to money shift it or do something really, really bad to roast that clutch. Like, you and I know about Porsche clutches and like, they don't fuck around. So if they, let's just say... The lifespan factory of that clutch is 250,000 miles if you drive it perfectly. Maybe this one's 100,000. And that wouldn't match Porsche's QC. But in the aftermarket, a 700 horsepower car with a clutch that lasts, I'm guessing 100K miles if you take care of it, is like more than enough.

• 40:55Speaker 01

  Totally. That is victory. I mean, this is, they've added almost 400 horsepower to this thing. It's crazy. And when they told me that they used the stock clutch and transmission, I was.

• 41:06Matt Farah?

  They've added just over 300 horsepower.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  Uh, goes from 385, right?

• 41:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So it's almost 400 and it's just, yeah, so it's 300 change.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  Right, almost 400. It's a lot. I mean, it's, when you, when you start saying it's almost twice.

• 41:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, it's a shitload. It's a shitload. And normally, um, what's interesting about this is because this car is geared longer. You know, you noted, uh, that if the car was left on the stock powertrain, one thing you'd want to do is run short gears. And I agree with a lower powered, not that 385 isn't enough, but that would benefit that car. In the same way it benefits my car. Um, but with 700 horsepower, actually the long gears are right.

• 41:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:50Matt Farah?

  Because you have so much power that the gear doesn't really feel that long. You know, and if you want to go, you know, quick but not bonsai, you just drive a gear higher. And you still have a huge amount of power, but you're pretty much just lowering the engine at 3, 4,000 RPM. Kind of where you get that fun bit where every corner you go into the boost and then you come out of it and then you go back into it. Like, that's different than attacking it in boost. If you tried to drive like that, you can't. On a public, public road you can't.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you can't. You have to be on a track.

• 42:24Matt Farah?

  Yeah. On a public road, there is, it would not be possible to drive this car in boost all the time. It's just, there's not. It's too fast.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  And the power band's really broad. I mean, peak torque now is like 4,400 RPM. Uh, peak torque in the regular car is 2,000, but.

• 42:39Matt Farah?

  Well, that's what happens when you get a bigger turbo.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. So you've got a really, like, really. Nice big power band to play with in the corners and on the straightaways.

• 42:49Matt Farah?

  Peak torque is higher, but there's also so much more of it. So the question is, you don't have the dyno chart hint. No, it's okay. But the question is like at 2000 RPM. Even though that's not peak.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:02Matt Farah?

  You're still making about the same or just a little less.

• 43:06Speaker 01

  It was about, you're making about 300 pound-feet of torque, I believe at 2000 RPM and the stock car it was like 330.

• 43:13Matt Farah?

  That, that makes no difference. In the real world, that makes no difference.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  And then, you know, that line goes up.

• 43:19Matt Farah?

  It keeps going, it keeps going up. Yeah, no, that's, that's, that's a big difference. Um, but, you know, especially comfort seats, uh, backseat. So this one, um, you know, this is, was John's personal car and the suspension was really dialed in for like Florida roads and tracks. So a little bit brutal in the city. I would, I would crank this thing all the way down to soft if it was, if it was me, but like, okay, do that, fine. But the fucking, the powertrain, it, it, the only time it ever feels like a tuner car is when it's ice cold. I, I said it to you and you said, oh, I didn't really experience that, but it happened to me almost every time. When it's really ice cold, over, you know, overnight sitting for the first

• 44:04Matt Farah?

  sixty seconds. You know, sixty seconds, maybe two minutes. The clutch is like a little grabby and the, the throttle tip in is a little like a little like choky. It can get a little choked up right at the very, very bottom.

• 44:25Speaker 01

  Tiny stutter.

• 44:25Matt Farah?

  A little, a tiniest bit at the very, very bottom. But like, once the engine is to not even operating temperature, just above, when the water gets above like, you know, 100 Fahrenheit. Not even operating temperature, just like not cold. That, and, and then once the clutch gets not cold, that goes away. Um, and then it stays gone for the rest of the day. That's the only thing I noticed that made it feel not, cause a Porsche, any Porsche, even the most highest, highest performance Porsche. Stock. You could start it ice cold and just drive it normally. That's like a thing for Porsche. There's no like warm up period for a modern one.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  It just feels, it feels the same all the time.

• 45:05Matt Farah?

  But my car is, you have, if it's ice cold, you have to let it, give it a couple of minutes to, for things to get the flywheel and shit to get some heat in them and the oil is like, you know, whatever. And, and same as this, but this one's better at that than my car is. And the clutch is lighter.

• 45:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a lot lighter than your car. I mean, this, like we said, stock clutch, but it's so, this is just amazing because it's so easy to use. And it's like slightly lower than stock, but I mean, I drove it around. So I didn't scrape it on anything. That was fantastic.

• 45:37Matt Farah?

  It's got a painted lip too. That's a bold move.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  I, I took it to the store and ran around in it and it just felt like a normal car that looks awesome because I love the duck tail spoiler. And then put it in second, traction control full on, floor it and you like pay the fuck attention because it like, it lights the tires up and steps out a little bit and that is very interesting. Um, so comparison stuff. Cause I did get to drive it, like Misha showed up at good vibes. Flat six, I'll let you know now the car's fine. I did let Misha drive it. This man has owned a lot of 700 horsepower cars. And he loved it. He was like, whoa, this, he was impressed in every way by the thing. And the same realization we have, we go, is this gonna be the thing? Like, I was talking to Vin Anatra about it. He was supposed to drive it and he goes, man, this,

• 46:28Speaker 01

  this might be the jam. Like the fact that you can turn one of these up well beyond turbo S power levels. I mean, we're knocking on McLaren doors.

• 46:35Matt Farah?

  You know that all those people that were buying Supras in the early 2000s are now driving Porsches. Those are the same fucking people.

• 46:43Speaker 01

  Great point.

• 46:44Matt Farah?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 46:47Speaker 01

  This has like. You know, not B58 potential, but close.

• 46:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  You know, you had to put bigger turbos on it, but this kit was $20,000, which as a percentage of the car, isn't crazy for modifications.

• 46:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  And the performance you get is competing with cars that cost 3, 4, 5, 600,000 dollars.

• 47:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it's essentially the Sport Classic experience, but you don't have to treat it as an investment grade asset. And also, it's like, better.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  So I drove the Sport Classic on the launch. 570-ish horsepower, beautiful car inside and out. Like, I love the design of it, but I remember getting out and just thinking, okay, like, I really had to mentally focus on the fact that it's a rare car. Because the experience didn't feel rare.

• 47:36Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  And I came back to WCCS, you guys had like a Club Sport sitting in the warehouse with the ducktail spoiler, and I looked at it and I went, other than having side intakes with this, which the Sport Classic doesn't, and this not being rare, it's a turbocharged car, it's a manual transmission, like, it's so similar.

• 47:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's like, you could get the GTS or the S experience for like, almost the same.

• 48:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think like Porsche turbos and Turbo S's, well, now they don't feel as distinct because everything's turbocharged, but the Sport Classic just lacked that. It's real, if you know, you know. You pull in and sure, it is wearing the stealth watch, it's worth a lot of money, and people know it's rare, but if you don't know that, then you don't know. And this, from an experience perspective, it's far more exciting. The turbo whistle sounds, it adds so much theater to it. The handling was incredible. The turn-in on this is better than Misha's car. The steering rack is a little bit quicker.

• 48:31Matt Farah?

  The turn-in was better on the silver car, on the flat-six car than Misha's car?

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Yeah. Very slightly.

• 48:36Matt Farah?

  It is a 992, Misha's car's a 991, although it's a GT3.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  What it felt like is the rack felt... Five to 10% quicker, not much, but a little bit. And Misha's car, the GT3 Touring, off of center, there's like that, moving the wheel left and right one inch. Let's just, let's just say it requires two pounds of pressure. It feels pretty light. It's not dead, but it's so light, you go, is it actually moving the nose? And on the, on the new 911, or sorry, on the 911T, there was like none of that slack. It was just instantly moving the front of the car. So that made it feel a little bit more focused.

• 49:15Speaker 01

  And then, you know, the power, the way they deliver it is totally different. Because you have to rev it. It's not out of, and that sound will never get old. That car is a forever car for anybody that has one. It should be. Whereas I could see someone driving the 911T and after a while you get that, that GT-R tolerance where you go, okay, I'm used to the power. But what an amazing value for performance. And it really highlights like how good the T is and you just add power to it and the chassis stays good.

• 49:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's kind of, it's if you can already get a T, it's like kind of a no brainer. I might, if it was me, I might not do, I think they make a kit that's like 600 horsepower and uses a slightly smaller turbo.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  They do 625.

• 50:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like that, that with the manual to me, I don't think the difference between, oh yeah, so the 700 uses the pure 800 turbos.

• 50:13Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So like, you could, you know, the 625 for a street car, that really gets you, that's a fast fucking car. And you don't have to change the turbos. It's, or you can use the OEM turbos.

• 50:26Speaker 01

  Well, it looks like the 600, you have to use the S or GTS turbo.

• 50:29Matt Farah?

  Right, right. But, but like, you know, I mean, not that I don't trust a high quality aftermarket turbo, but if I can, if I can go from 400 horsepower to 625 using OEM parts.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  I get you.

• 50:43Matt Farah?

  That's fucking, that's money right there, dude. You know what I mean?

• 50:46Speaker 01

  I totally get it. And then you don't need their intercooler, although they recommend it.

• 50:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you'd get the, I trust the, shout out to CSF, dude. I love Josh at CSF. That dude rules. He makes a high-quality product and that guy is an excellent individual.

• 51:02Speaker 01

  I was just saying it looks like it's not required, but it's recommended. So, you know, the kit's slightly cheaper.

• 51:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but if it's hot out, you get the intercoolers.

• 51:08Speaker 01

  Oh, definitely.

• 51:09Matt Farah?

  You just get that.

• 51:10Speaker 01

  You know, if you're gonna track it, which this owner does, and then the...

• 51:13Matt Farah?

  And you can do this, starting with any Carrera. You could start with an S or a GTS or a PDK, you know, whatever. Like, you can put it on any car. So like, I might not do it on a cab, probably fucking twist the chassis, but...

• 51:25Speaker 01

  Oh, that's, that's true.

• 51:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but you could have, I mean, dude, imagine like, the sleeper, like Targa, like touring car you could set up. Quiet exhaust and just fucking thing.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  That is 600 horsepower.

• 51:36Matt Farah?

  Great.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  Targa Turbo, basically?

• 51:38Matt Farah?

  Well, Ali's car is, has a roof tune on it and, and, and that kind of stuff. So it's like five something. Uh, and it's a stick and it's sound, it's actually sounds pretty much just like this car.

• 51:49Speaker 01

  Look, this thing, you can get a tune, you make 480 horse, goes to 510. I mean, the engines have a lot of potential in them.

• 51:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  I think what came away, just to sum up, is every aspect of this car, in my opinion, was elevated and worked great. I thought the suspension, it was stiff for LA, but if you live where it's smoother, the Olens Road and Track stuff, like, I watched their Flat6's video, like, they did a lot of testing on shaker rigs to try to set it up well. And the brakes felt great, they're iron discs, but...

• 52:16Matt Farah?

  Oh yeah, they're PCCBs. Yeah, and you just take out, yeah, you put different steel pads and rotors.

• 52:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they're a little bit bigger. I like the shifter. I know you didn't like it, but I thought it was really focused.

• 52:27Matt Farah?

  It's not true. It's not that I didn't like it.

• 52:28Speaker 01

  Sorry, you didn't like it in town?

• 52:29Matt Farah?

  It's not that I didn't like it. I just wanted to point out that one of the lovely things about the T is the lightness of every control. And the numeric short shifter, it makes the seven-speed more direct. The trade-off is the weight of the shifter. And the wider tires at the front make the turn-in better. The trade-off is the steering gets a little heavier. So, it's just like one of many good things about the regular Carrera T that are changed with this package.

• 53:01Speaker 01

  True.

• 53:02Matt Farah?

  And it narrows the focus. A little bit away from daily driver and a little bit more towards weekend track or canyon car. And like, that's okay if that's what you want. It's just like a thing to point out because people like particularly like Spike and Zuckerman and like that whole crew. That typically really like stock cars and not tuner cars. One of the things that they repeatedly talk about and that I've felt from very special factory Porsches. Is the very special factory Porsches tend to get faster and faster and faster without the controls getting any heavier. Which is kind of like the clutch on a GT3 or an ST is so light.

• 53:44Matt Farah?

  And so when it, when a car starts to, people talk about it feels like could be factory or it feels like it could be. It's not, it feels like a tuner car. It doesn't feel, when people say a lot, a lot about their tuner cars, especially Porsches. It feels like, like Porsche could have done it. If the weight of the controls is heavier than it was when that car left the factory, it doesn't feel like Porsche would have done it. They wouldn't have done that. They would have found a way to keep the lightness of the control, but still have the car turn in better.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  Like, have you driven GT2RS?

• 54:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  How does the steering feel on that car?

• 54:19Matt Farah?

  It's, it's not like heavy. It's not like this. Like they reprogrammed the steering for the wheels on it, so it, it matches right.

• 54:28Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 54:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. It's like, like I think it's the same with like my Taycan, like the steering is a little heavier because I have these wider wheels.

• 54:36Speaker 01

  Steering's very heavy on your Taycan.

• 54:37Matt Farah?

  It is, yeah. But if you got the turbo that came with these wheels.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  It recalibrated. Ooh, okay. That'd be a good back to back if we ever see someone that has a Taycan turbo.

• 54:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah, we could find one, I'm sure. Uh, we have to find the right, the matching year.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Right, that's true.

• 54:53Matt Farah?

  But like, it's again, it's, it's not a point against. It's just a thing that narrows the focus from. The car, a car that is otherwise one of the most flexible cars on the market, you know? But I loved it.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:07Matt Farah?

  Don't want to give it back.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  I know.

• 55:08Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be a shame.

• 55:10Speaker 01

  Makes me want to shop for 911 Ts at some point.

• 55:12Matt Farah?

  I know.

• 55:14Matt Farah?

  I think, and they have a kit for the 991.2T. It just makes a little less power, I think.

• 55:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they said the head design is different on 992. So it flows a little more air.

• 55:27Matt Farah?

  So, anyway. That's a, that's a pretty sweet little fucking package there. If you're willing to go water meth, you can get even more power, but water meth is annoying.

• 55:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's not worth it, in my opinion.

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  And, and I was texting with Mitch from M Engineering about how much I enjoyed the car. And he's like, oh, we've got some other stuff you might like. And he's like, I've also got an extra like 911 Carrera S sitting here. He's like, I kind of want to build it into like a drag car. Like, has anyone ever run nines in a base, like a base Carrera, like a non-turbo? And he's like, I don't know, you want to try? He's like, I'll build it if you want to drive it. I was like, yeah.

• 56:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, do that.

• 56:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, cool, that'll be fun. So we can see if we can get a Carrera to run nines. That'd be pretty fun.

• 56:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did a quick Google. I'm sure everyone's, oh wait.

• 56:12Matt Farah?

  Has someone done it?

• 56:13Speaker 01

  APR made a Carrera T run nines.

• 56:15Matt Farah?

  Wow, really?

• 56:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, in 2020.

• 56:18Matt Farah?

  Really? That's pretty sweet. Go APR, nice job. All right, Mitch. You heard it here, Mitch, you gotta beat APR. We need a, we need a, we need a fucking Carrera running eights, baby.

• 56:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, they ran a 9.917.

• 56:32Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 56:32Speaker 01

  And then some other runs as well.

• 56:34Matt Farah?

  I gotta say, that sounds beatable.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, you gotta run a 9.8 or 9.7.

• 56:39Matt Farah?

  Sounds very beatable.

• 56:40Speaker 01

  Low nines and then you're safe, Mitch.

• 56:41Matt Farah?

  Low nines does it?

• 56:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:42Matt Farah?

  Let's go.

• 56:43Speaker 01

  Low nines.

• 56:43Matt Farah?

  Let's fucking go.

• 56:46Matt Farah?

  Anyway, that's, that's a fun one. Before we go to the, the people. Dude, I got a text from my neighbor this morning, real early.

• 56:56Matt Farah?

  Some creepers were creeping through the neighborhood and rolled up to his house and tried to get into his Ioniq 5.

• 57:03Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 57:04Matt Farah?

  And that, he, there were three cars in his driveway, a Subaru, the Ioniq 5, and a classic Land Rover Defender under a cover. A really nice one. And they, they just cruised up, checked the Ioniq, and then, and then left. Just that car. They also, I checked my cameras and, you know, 30 seconds before, they drove past my house, stopped, to, not stopped, but went to like one mile an hour, because there was two Porsches in my driveway, the silver one and the Taycan, and they stopped and then kept going. So, these fools are rolling around the neighborhood in an 01 to 04 Hyundai Sonata,

• 57:43Matt Farah?

  which I was allowed, able to identify from camera, um, only checking Hyundai's.

• 57:51Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 57:52Matt Farah?

  I think it's the Kia boys, dude.

• 57:53Speaker 01

  Oh, you think the USB trick works on the Ioniq?

• 57:56Matt Farah?

  I don't know. I can't, I mean, I don't know if it does, and they, and they know something or don't know something. But what kind of fucking, who rolls around a neighborhood and the only car that they stop to check is an Ioniq 5?

• 58:11Speaker 01

  Uh, let's see. Some Reddit says, unfortunately, it's pretty easy to steal an Ioniq 5.

• 58:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 01

  AI says, this is AI, granted, um, oh, like, Inside EVs, Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 are newest victims of the Game Boy hack.

• 58:27Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  This is a year ago.

• 58:29Matt Farah?

  The Kia boys. Sorry, huh, baby. That's what I told him. They, he showed, he pulls up the video, he sends me the video, they're trying to get in his car, and I go, yo, they only went for the Hyundai? And then they go, they drove by my house with two Porsches in the driveway? They didn't even come like look in the cars? It's like, that's the fucking Kia boys, 100% dude.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  It's like, let's see, uh...

• 58:55Matt Farah?

  That's crazy to steal a connected car, though, right?

• 58:58Speaker 01

  So, this is from Inside EVs. Technically, the device is an emulator. It's a bunch of radio transmission software stuffed into a shell, like a Game Boy, by someone in Europe, um, and then duh, duh, duh, duh.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Compatible with them. It works. Oh, once the car is woken up by touching the door handle and activating a handshake protocol between the door and what would be the owner's key fob. The program then activates the emulator which starts to talk to the car and the device tricks the car into thinking it's a legitimate key by using an algorithm that eventually calculates the right code, usually in a few seconds.

• 59:31Matt Farah?

  No way.

• 59:32Speaker 01

  If it takes longer, the thief can put the device in their pocket and wait for it to vibrate to signal it found the code and store it for use. So if his car goes missing...

• 59:40Matt Farah?

  No way. So he could have just, he could have just done the handshake bit and now he's gonna come back later and make it.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Very possible.

• 59:48Matt Farah?

  Wow. So now what do you do?

• 59:51Speaker 01

  I don't know. In this moment, I don't know. Does he have a garage?

• 59:54Matt Farah?

  I gotta call him.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  You should call him. You should send him this thing.

• 59:56Matt Farah?

  I do, but his, his good cars are in the garage, dude. It's like nice shit's in the garage.

• 1:00:01Speaker 01

  Oh, um...

• 1:00:03Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  He...

• 1:00:05Matt Farah?

  Tell him to put the knife...

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  He should call Hyundai. Honestly. He should say, "Hey, this happened. I know this was a problem."

• 1:00:09Matt Farah?

  Oh, so that's definitely what these guys are doing.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:12Matt Farah?

  I wonder if it was like, "They couldn't get it right now, so we'll just like, you know, come back later."

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Very possible. Like, I don't know if, you know, some cars, they said you start putting the key in a Faraday cage in your house.

• 1:00:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, someone told me that. Now I do it. Now all of our fucking shit goes straight in the Faraday box.

• 1:00:28Speaker 01

  Cause they, because I saw a video, like thieves would walk towards the house with a bunch of wire.

• 1:00:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  Which is basically an antenna and it would talk to your key, grab that data, and then they could unlock your Range Rover.

• 1:00:38Matt Farah?

  Cause everyone's keys are by the front door.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:00:39Matt Farah?

  So we had to like move our keys to somewhere else, but it's still like, if you were at the front of the house and your device could go through the wall, like you could, it's still like, my house isn't that deep, so anywhere would do. So yeah, we got the Faraday box and hopefully it's a real Faraday box. I got it on T-Mo, so I don't know.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  It's actually sending the codes to somebody. That would, that'd be great.

• 1:01:02Matt Farah?

  It's a scraper device.

• 1:01:03Speaker 01

  Oh, if thieves made the Faraday device, that's, that's 40 chess right there, gentlemen.

• 1:01:08Matt Farah?

  Oh, but I gotta tell my, I gotta tell my homie.

• 1:01:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:12Matt Farah?

  That's definitely the move. Oh shit, we have to review the footage.

• 1:01:15Speaker 01

  Cause there's no way they're like, I'm just gonna see if this is unlocked and then steal an iPhone.

• 1:01:19Matt Farah?

  The doors have the pop out thing, you know it's not open.

• 1:01:22Speaker 01

  Right. So this is what they're doing.

• 1:01:24Matt Farah?

  They drove down the street and just only hit that one car.

• 1:01:27Speaker 01

  And they, so they probably were admiring your cars because they knew that the Porsche wasn't vulnerable.

• 1:01:31Matt Farah?

  Oh shit, that's fucking dope.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  Shout out Porsche, maybe. And then they were like, alright, let's go roll and look for some Hyundai's.

• 1:01:37Matt Farah?

  Fuck!

• 1:01:38Speaker 01

  Well, it's wild that-

• 1:01:39Matt Farah?

  Driving a Hyundai. They were driving a Hyundai.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  That they probably stole, using the USB uh, move. Cause they're, they're driving stolen cars for that stuff. Unless they're dumb. It's just amazing that after all Hyundai has been through with the USB Kia boy thing, they got this whole new electric architecture and wouldn't you fucking know it?

• 1:02:00Matt Farah?

  You know, that's crazy. Stealing a connected car is a, was like a wild thing to do.

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Uh, well, according to the article, they basically steal it, drive away, and then they rip out all the GPS stuff and then, you know, they throw it in a container somewhere. So, I think you have to catch on quick.

• 1:02:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:15Speaker 01

  Like throw an air tag in your car, tell your neighbor to do that too.

• 1:02:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Bury it somewhere.

• 1:02:19Matt Farah?

  Like multiple.

• 1:02:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:21Matt Farah?

  Like five, six air tags, all over the car.

• 1:02:23Speaker 01

  You know, the last six months, but like,

• 1:02:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  Put them somewhere that's really hard to get to.

• 1:02:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Damn. Alright.

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:30Matt Farah?

  Shout out to the Kia boys. Get really getting it done. You know, I love, I love a go getter. I love someone who gets it done.

• 1:02:36Speaker 01

  Entrepreneurial, but I watched a video about that. They were selling like, it was like 15 year olds were, this is one area. 15 year olds would steal the Kia, then they would sell it to gang members in their neighborhood for like a hundred dollars. Cause then it would be used to commit a crime. And you're just like, this is so much risk. For, and I, I get it, opportunity, blah, blah, like that's a lot of money to a lot of people. I understand. But I was just shocked at how cheaply, how little you were getting, these people are undervaluing, valuing themselves.

• 1:03:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  They should-

• 1:03:04Matt Farah?

  They're getting a brand new Hyundai.

• 1:03:05Speaker 01

  They should form a union.

• 1:03:06Matt Farah?

  These things are going for 3.49 a month.

• 1:03:09Speaker 01

  Kia boys should form a union and sell the cars to the gang members for $500 because you're helping them escape felony.

• 1:03:16Matt Farah?

  Cause what are you gonna do? Use your own car?

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:03:19Matt Farah?

  You don't know how to, do you have a Game Boy? No.

• 1:03:22Speaker 01

  Kia boys, let me represent you to the local neighborhood council.

• 1:03:26Matt Farah?

  Jesus.

• 1:03:29Matt Farah?

  Alright, I gotta, can we pause? I gotta call my neighbor. No, we'll just wait till after the show. I don't think they're coming at 10:30 in the morning, unless they are. Maybe that's the move.

• 1:03:38Speaker 01

  They used to when people would go to work, and I think now people work from home.

• 1:03:41Matt Farah?

  WFH, baby. Nah, WFH. Um, right, let's go to the people.

• 1:03:49Matt Farah?

  I have, uh, Zach a hard outskate 11, you know. Um, let's go to the people. Of course, patrons are favorite people in the world who support us at patreon.com/the-smoking-tire-podcast over there. The best. They get, uh, they get ad-free podcasts. They get the podcast live. They get the podcast early. They get to ask us questions for the show and get them answered on the show. They get early access to merch, collabs, tickets to our live shows, which, uh, well, this is gonna air after we do our live shows, so I won't plug that anymore. Hopefully it went well, Zach.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  That's a good point.

• 1:04:23Matt Farah?

  And, uh, yeah, and, uh, let's get to those questions. Again, patreon.com/the-smoking-tire-podcast is where you get in on the action. Uh, honker, bonker, boinkie doinkies. Is that the best one?

• 1:04:37Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:04:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay, that's pretty good. Uh, I know you've made friends with, uh, foreign automotive journalists over the years. Uh, curious what have been the funniest stereotypes about your home country that have ever been, oh. Uh, I mean, so, most of the people that we've hung out with are like, pretty well-traveled. They're not like, surprised by America. I find that British automotive journalists, when they come to visit America, tend to get like, Ram 1500 press cars, just for the novelty of driving a giant truck around. Um, Harris did it, Porter did it, yeah. Um, I mean, uh, but

• 1:05:20Matt Farah?

  no, I actually find that most of our, the foreigners that, that, that, the intera-, the interactions they have with, with us are generally very positive, I think, I would like to think. But, yeah, no one, um...

• 1:05:34Matt Farah?

  No, we've never been like, I haven't met anyone who's like, you know, this is my first time in America and I really am surprised by this. So, I mean, at least within that circles. I'm sorry, I don't have a better answer. Kurt May says, oh, this talk with Camisi the other day resparked my interest in the C4 Corvette. Moving markets, baby. Is the premium of the ZR1 worth it over a later model LT1 with Z51 or the optional LT4? I mean, ZR1s are always going to be ZR1s, you know, so in terms of like, how it drives,

• 1:06:15Matt Farah?

  just pure driving experience, a ZR1's a 4-Cam engine. It's not, that's not like a pushrod engine. So, it feels very different from an even bigger pushrod engine. It's unique in the Corvette space that way, until the current Z06. So like, it's also like, the ZR1's like literally wider, like they, it's very interesting because it's not a wide body. They cut down the middle and widened it from the middle. So that's like a different thing that only the ZR1 has. I do think a ZR1 premium is worth it because it's not that much. It's not like a regular Corvette's 15 grand, then a ZR1's 70. It's like 15 and 35. Like, yeah, it's probably worth it because you probably get, you'll get a better percentage of it back on the

• 1:06:58Matt Farah?

  other side too. It's always going to be a ZR1. Right. Rida Sibal, hope I didn't butcher that. Recently acquired a LC500 convertible as a holdover while I wait for my Targa GTS allocation. Over the last few months, I've fallen in love with it. Would it be better to take the 100K difference after you option the Targa, put it in a more fun lightweight sports car as a two-car solution? I'm 32 and I can't drive stick, so considering buying a vehicle with a manual for that purpose. If you have room to keep that car, and it's not a financial hardship, I would say yes. Mainly because for 100 grand, you could get like...

• 1:07:44Matt Farah?

  A Porsche.

• 1:07:45Speaker 01

  You get a 911T.

• 1:07:46Matt Farah?

  You get another Porsche.

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Matt Farah?

  You get a really good Porsche, an old one, a new one.

• 1:07:53Speaker 01

  Boxer.

• 1:07:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  You get all kinds of stuff.

• 1:07:56Matt Farah?

  You get a bunch of shit. I mean, and if you want a different experience, you could get mid-engine cars. I mean,

• 1:08:05Matt Farah?

  you know, a hundred grand might even, might even get you into a manual swapped Ferrari or an old Ferrari 328 or 348. You know, you could have something really interesting. That would be, you know, a couple of times a month car, maybe, instead of a, an everyday car. Yeah, I would say

• 1:08:26Matt Farah?

  that LC500 is gonna last you a really long time. It's not gonna age much.

• 1:08:33Matt Farah?

  And I don't think financially, it would be wise to sell it a year after buying it. That's probably the worst time to sell that car. The longer you hold it, the better value it will be.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  And if you really like it and you keep it, then you could rotate your sports cars with that hundred grand.

• 1:08:49Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  Instead of being locked in this 992 target GTS that's gonna depreciate for a while. And then you're, you have that one thing. I think this is a very fun idea.

• 1:08:57Matt Farah?

  I think it's a better plan.

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:58Matt Farah?

  I think it's a better plan. And there's lots of, lots of manual transmission options from, from Porsches to Shelby GT350s, to Corvettes, to, I mean, you know, pick your, get an, you can get a hundred grand, get you a fabulous Acura NSX, you know, or a whole bunch of different stuff.

• 1:09:18Matt Farah?

  Gay.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  This is great.

• 1:09:19Matt Farah?

  Gay Ted Manuel.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's spelled G A E Ted Manuel, gated Manuel.

• 1:09:26Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  Gated manual.

• 1:09:27Matt Farah?

  Gated, oh shit, I didn't put that together. But thank you. Two cars I would purchase if they had manuals were the Ferrari 458 and, and 718 Spider RS. Assuming factory level conversions were possible, what, which would benefit the most from a manual transmission? And why? Probably the Ferrari, actually, just because they, they didn't have anything with a manual transmission there. Whereas you could buy any number of other Caymans and Spiders that do have manual transmissions.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, the Ferrari would be the more rare and more special, yeah.

• 1:10:01Matt Farah?

  I mean, yeah, I think, I think if you, if you could find a way, and that dude Jeff Siegel did, to make a manual work in a 458. Yup, that one. Um, it, because it's just, that's an experience that would not be available anywhere else at any price.

• 1:10:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, you just gotta recalibrate the ECU for that.

• 1:10:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  You know, so rev matching isn't impossible.

• 1:10:22Matt Farah?

  Right. Um, I could already, I could tell you without driving it, what a Spyder RS with a stick would be. That wouldn't be a new experience for me. Like, it would be a cool thing that they, that they could sell, that, and people would buy them. Uh, and I think it would be probably for a lot of people, the more desirable option, but like, I could tell you without driving one, I could write you the review of that car right now, whereas I could not write you a review of a manual 458. I have no comparison.

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Matt Farah?

  So that's why. Ride Country Night School.

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  That's good. I like that one. Yeah.

• 1:10:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, that's where fucking so many of my friends ended up.

• 1:10:57Speaker 01

  Really? Uh, is that like a detention joke?

• 1:11:00Matt Farah?

  No, no, it's like, um, it's actually funny that, it's funny that I spent, whatever, 12 years there, and no one ever made that joke. It's funny that that never came up as an actual joke.

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:11Matt Farah?

  Um, the joke is I went to Ride Country Day School was my high school, at middle school and high school. But, um,

• 1:11:19Matt Farah?

  uh, no, they, uh, they really had a habit of kicking people out for, for

• 1:11:26Matt Farah?

  things as, you know, for not having good enough grades, or for getting too many detentions. For like, really minor stuff, they would kick you out. And so, um, everyone ended up, for the most part, you know, just fine, even those who got kicked out. A lot of them would fail upwards. They'd get kicked out and end up at Choate or Deerfield. That's like, that legit happened all the time.

• 1:11:47Speaker 01

  They're diluting the pool of students there.

• 1:11:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:50Speaker 01

  Here at Ride Country Day School, we want to keep things high quality.

• 1:11:53Matt Farah?

  One of my homies got kicked out, ended up going to a boarding school in Maine called Gould, where they would go to class in the morning and fucking ski the second half of the day, and snowboard.

• 1:12:03Speaker 01

  That sounds great.

• 1:12:03Matt Farah?

  It was on, it's Sunday River, the mountain in Maine, and he got, he was like, competition level snowboarder. It was, it seemed amazing.

• 1:12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, that seems like a real fun idea.

• 1:12:11Matt Farah?

  It seemed better, yeah.

• 1:12:12Speaker 01

  Now, how was the education versus?

• 1:12:14Matt Farah?

  He turned out fine.

• 1:12:15Speaker 01

  Alright, great.

• 1:12:15Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 1:12:16Speaker 01

  Then he won.

• 1:12:16Matt Farah?

  Uh, what is, uh, what is one car from history that you would make indestructible and have a brand new one right now?

• 1:12:23Speaker 01

  Hmm, Ferrari 355.

• 1:12:26Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah.

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  It, it's, is it the most expensive Ferrari to maintain?

• 1:12:31Matt Farah?

  It's not, it's not, it's not, I think the F-50 and the F-40 are a little more.

• 1:12:36Speaker 01

  Okay, that's true.

• 1:12:37Matt Farah?

  But it's third, it's third to that.

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  And for being a quote entry level Ferrari.

• 1:12:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, insanely expensive to maintain. That would be a great one. That would be F-355 GTS. Euro steering wheel, non-airbag gated manual. Give me green over camel.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah. All day. Roth V. Okay. My friends I go driving with in the mountains have a C7 Grand Sport, a 997 Carrera and an M2. Looking to get a sports car to hang with them. Around 400 horsepower. Isn't ideally, okay, wait. Does not want a Porsche, BMW or General Motors vehicle. Under 75K. I see Shelby GT350R.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Yep. Took the words out of my mouth.

• 1:13:28Matt Farah?

  I see.

• 1:13:31Speaker 01

  You can't go Supra because that's BMW.

• 1:13:33Matt Farah?

  That's a BMW engine. Right. I would say not GM. Because Cadillacs would be, would be awesome, but Audi RS3 would be a fun one.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  That's a real fun car.

• 1:13:48Matt Farah?

  Audi, I think that that would be a lovely car.

• 1:13:50Speaker 01

  Uh, like a 2018 C63 AMG. Those are underrated as drivers.

• 1:13:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The, the, um.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  The one we drove from Carbond.

• 1:14:01Matt Farah?

  The S, the Performance Pack S1 was kick ass. Yeah, those are a really good time.

• 1:14:07Speaker 01

  Ooh, can you get?

• 1:14:07Matt Farah?

  Coop sedan convertible. Pick one.

• 1:14:09Speaker 01

  Yep. Can you get AMG GTs for 75 grand now?

• 1:14:12Matt Farah?

  Oh, probably. Early ones, maybe an S. You definitely need an S. You don't want a base, but like.

• 1:14:19Speaker 01

  Early ones look really good. I like the grill better.

• 1:14:21Matt Farah?

  You might be able to get into an R8 for 75 grand. It's gonna have miles on it.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:26Matt Farah?

  A lot of miles on it.

• 1:14:27Speaker 01

  It'd be an early one also. F-Type?

• 1:14:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, F-Type R. 75 grand gets you the nicest F-Type R on the market.

• 1:14:37Speaker 01

  You'll be the loudest car in the group.

• 1:14:39Matt Farah?

  That's actually, that's.

• 1:14:42Matt Farah?

  That's what you want. An F-Type R would be the right choice to hang with this crowd. You'll definitely have the loudest car.

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:51Matt Farah?

  You'll have the most horsepower. Uh, the later ones have all-wheel drive. If you are worried about a short-wheelbase car, the earlier ones have rear-wheel drive.

• 1:15:00Speaker 01

  They're spicy.

• 1:15:01Matt Farah?

  Those are very spicy.

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, that's what I'm at. Just the Tiptronic. Ah, that's good. Um.

• 1:15:10Matt Farah?

  Did you see the news that the California DMV is seeking a 30-day sales suspension for unrealistic autopilot full self-driving claims? Uh, is, wait, is that true? Is that a story? The DMV is looking, is it meaning like, like you can't buy a Tesla for a month in California? That would be hilarious.

• 1:15:32Speaker 01

  I bet they're saying that Tesla can't sell the self-driving feature. That's my, that's my guess, but I'm gonna look it right now.

• 1:15:38Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. Yeah, that makes probably more sense. Uh, but it would be funny if Tesla actually saw a consequence for anything. I don't think it will happen, certainly not under this administration.

• 1:15:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, let's see.

• 1:15:53Speaker 01

  Well, but now that-

• 1:15:54Matt Farah?

  30-day Tesla sales suspension. Oh, wait, uh, okay. Uh, California alleges that the largest EV manufacturer is misleading. Well, yes, that is, that is true. Um, oh yeah, the DMV is angling for a 30-day suspension of the automaker's license to sell EVs in California while the courts hash out whether fines or retribution should come next.

• 1:16:16Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:16:17Matt Farah?

  Well, I mean, they haven't been convicted yet. That would be the punishment if they are, you know.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  If California gets this through.

• 1:16:24Matt Farah?

  Not convicted, but what's the, if the judgment is, if the judgment is levied against them.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  Right. So it wouldn't just be the feature, it would be the car, is what they're seeking, is what they're seeking. Uh, and then CNN is like, what could, what does it mean for you? It's like, you'll have to look at other cars.

• 1:16:38Matt Farah?

  That means you can't buy a Tesla. Yeah, okay. That would be very funny. I'd like to see that. I don't think it'll happen, uh, under this administration.

• 1:16:46Speaker 01

  Made in California, sold elsewhere.

• 1:16:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um.

• 1:16:52Matt Farah?

  Just the whistle tip says that I've brought up negotiations and the dealership model being challenging for some consumers. What would your realistic ideal be for the market? How do we have fair consumer protection and economically viable ways for OEMs to move units? Dude, I have never sat and thought about how I would fix the dealership model. I mean, I think a very robust and impartial system of regulation, you know, could be put into place, but I don't think that that would really happen anytime soon. Obviously, you

• 1:17:35Matt Farah?

  can't interfere with a company's ability to make money, but like, it's not like, it's not like the, the direct to consumer model is like better. Like, people feel like it's better because they don't have to haggle.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:17:52Matt Farah?

  But that doesn't mean the price isn't, they're not always getting the best price. It's just, it's moving all over the place. So I don't, I don't really know.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  I don't know the solution either. I just, I would like a world where if you and I both go into a dealership one hour apart, our price for the same car is the same thing.

• 1:18:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Speaker 01

  And I, I know that regional prices have to change because that's supply and demand, that's economic differences, et cetera. But if we live in the same place and if you haggle better or worse than I do and our price is different.

• 1:18:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:20Speaker 01

  That's what I think sucks.

• 1:18:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:22Speaker 01

  So, so the dealership can set the price to whatever they want, but this, this negotiation thing that has to happen, it's probably one of the only industries that it happens. And it's because it's been built into this, it's the practice for decades and decades. So it's hard to unwind.

• 1:18:36Matt Farah?

  And, and the Ford store up the road here is competing against the Ford store in Santa Monica and the Ford store in Sherman Oaks and whatever for your business. They're not all just Ford dealers. They're standalone businesses that are competing with each other, not with other car makers. So. Uh, I mean, unless you had like all factory owned, I mean, look, the fact is people are more satisfied with Tesla and Rivian's model that doesn't have that. Even if that doesn't necessarily mean they're getting the best price, their experience buying the car that way.

• 1:19:18Matt Farah?

  People don't complain about it to me, the same way they complain about dealers.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  Sure. What do they say? They say, they say when, when you meet someone, people don't always remember what you said, but they remember how you made them feel.

• 1:19:28Matt Farah?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:28Speaker 01

  So if they go to the dealership and they feel like they got fucked, or the salesman is aggressive, or they, I'll just talk to my manager. If they don't make you feel like you're getting a good price, you can only, it's hard to go up, or sorry, hard to feel better.

• 1:19:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:41Speaker 01

  But if the price is just on this thing, you hit this app, you go, that's what it is. I accept that that's what it is. And then they're going to feel better about that experience.

• 1:19:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah. So I mean, maybe, maybe it's true that direct to consumer and non-franchise model is better because the consumer is happier. Even if it's not necessarily financially better for many people.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  Sure. Or the listed, the listed price is the price, like, you know, grocery stores in different areas might have different prices, but the tag is there and that's what it is. But it's the whole like, well, we could do a little something.

• 1:20:13Matt Farah?

  Sure. Yeah, yeah. Uh, that, that's true. Two people who buy a Tesla on the same day are getting the same price.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:20:21Matt Farah?

  But, uh, a lot of people were trying to sue Tesla for buying cars and then Tesla dropped the price a bunch. Like within a couple of months, instantly devaluing their residual by like a ton.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:20:36Matt Farah?

  So like, people do still get mad when Tesla changes the price, even though the two people who went in on that day might have paid the same price.

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  True. I think those are different things though, right? Different situations.

• 1:20:48Matt Farah?

  I mean, there may have to be, you know, a regulation that says you can only change prices by this much from one month to the next. But I, I don't see how that would ever get through an American capitalist congress.

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  I agree.

• 1:21:02Matt Farah?

  Uh, Aiden Squire says, I'm biased, oh, uh.

• 1:21:07Matt Farah?

  I'm biased for wagons and sedans over SUVs, but at this point, it feels like the X5 M is a better car than the M5 Touring. It's lighter, more focused, it looks better, and is more practical. Which car do you think provides a better value? Probably the X5, honestly. I don't have much argument for that. But I think the X3 M has a much better value proposition than either of them. Woolly thought car? That's pretty funny. I've seen new EV chargers marked down into the 30s. When your car depreciates 40% before you even test drive it, that might be seen as a problem. How does Dodge come back from this when their other cars are rebadged

• 1:21:50Matt Farah?

  Alfa No One Wants and a Durango so old it could be classified as a Tusk? Well, that's a problem. I would say that is a huge problem. I mean, Ram is bringing back the V8. You know, their customers did not want six cylinder trucks, and they're bringing it back. And I think they have an incredibly friendly government that has just determined that the fines for breaking CAFE rules will be zero. So, don't be surprised if the fucking Hellcat's back, baby. You know, Hellcat 2.0 is probably in the works.

• 1:22:23Speaker 01

  I mean, the Chargers were discounted even before that was announced, because they just weren't selling well. And once that happened, I mean, that might be the nail in the coffin for it for a long time at least.

• 1:22:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Should my dick trickle?

• 1:22:37Speaker 01

  Good one.

• 1:22:38Matt Farah?

  That's alright. Just picked up a film camera, and I want to start shooting cars. Tips for film recommendations for shooting cars? Well, just like the cars you're shooting, you should want the film to be sufficiently high speed, particularly if the cars are going to be moving for shooting action. If it's shooting cars in a car show in broad daylight, you could go with 100 ISO, or even 50 ISO if you want very rich colors. But if you're going to be shooting cars moving on a racetrack or on a road, then you probably want 400 or 800 ISO film, particularly if you're going to be doing it in golden hour, so you can

• 1:23:20Matt Farah?

  actually get that light, get that film exposed to the light rapidly.

• 1:23:31Matt Farah?

  I don't have the answer to off pista. Maybe somebody in the Patreon comments can answer them. They they want to know if they want a manual Ford Bronco, but it only comes with the small motor. If I get it, will I not regret getting the larger six cylinder engine with the auto? I've never driven a four cylinder Bronco, so I don't know.

• 1:23:52Speaker 01

  I think I did on the launch. I mean, yeah, it's a lot weaker. But if off piece main purpose is, you know, doors off beach wagon, teach your your son or sons to learn to drive a manual transmission. I think that's more valuable than having a more powerful engine like it's it's a beach car. You're cruising. It's fine, you know, and it's not like a performance vehicle. So if everything else about the Bronco, if you like everything else about the Bronco other than that engine, then get the manual and be happy and teach your kids to drive.

• 1:24:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:22Matt Farah?

  D sum 911 thoughts on the newer style PDK shifters in the GT cars that try to mimic a manual look? I don't. Is that true? I don't know if they try to mimic a manual look. I think it's the shifter from the old six speed or seven speed gearbox that the GT cars use.

• 1:24:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, so I think that's what they're saying. Instead of having the silver one with the button and stuff now, it's like it does look it's like the same exact shape and they print the little yellow letters on top.

• 1:24:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, maybe it is trying to mimic the look. I don't really think see it that way, but okay, fine.

• 1:24:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, they want to put one in. Put one in your Cayman GTS 4.0 or is it kind of poserish? Yeah, no, it's poserish. It's one thing if Porsche sells it that way. It's another if you try and do use it to like mimic that. I would say it's poserish.

• 1:25:12Speaker 01

  Well, wait, if he has a PDK car.

• 1:25:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:14Speaker 01

  Then.

• 1:25:15Matt Farah?

  Should he change out the PDK shifter?

• 1:25:19Speaker 01

  I think if it looks good, I don't care. It's like changing the steering wheel because you think the shape is fine.

• 1:25:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:24Speaker 01

  So if if but if make sure like the print matches like, I don't know. Sometimes Porsche matches font to font and there's a reason they chose one versus the other. But if you like the way it looks, if you can Photoshop it or see someone that's done it, yeah, go for it. It's just an aesthetic thing. Make sure that shifter works, though.

• 1:25:39Matt Farah?

  That's. Yeah, I think there's a reason Porsche did it that way.

• 1:25:43Speaker 01

  Just make sure like all the computer chips work.

• 1:25:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Huthi Huthi PC small coupe.

• 1:25:48Speaker 01

  Funny.

• 1:25:49Matt Farah?

  Could you put a gated manual in any car and achieve the same effect? Or is there something special about the cars that were built for them? Well, uh, yes and no. I mean, you could, there are people who have engineered gated shifters for Miata's and other stuff, and you do get that clack clack clack clack that's like pretty satisfying. But at the same time, a lot of the cars that have gated manuals from the factory are like pretty exotic experiences to begin with, and it's part of the overall package. And if the, if the engines, revs, and the throttle, and the clutch pedal, and the, the weight of the flywheel, and the timing of everything is such that going through

• 1:26:34Matt Farah?

  the gates at exactly the right speed results in exactly the right rev matching here and there, and it all feels right and cohesive, that's something you're not guaranteed to get by converting another car to manual.

• 1:26:48Speaker 01

  Or gated, yeah.

• 1:26:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, excuse me, to gated.

• 1:26:50Speaker 01

  I'd also say that there's something about like the springs and bushings in gated Ferraris I've driven that's unlike any other manual, even if you took the gate off, like the click clack is there, but there is a sensation to the action that you could not replicate.

• 1:27:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Um, uh, let's see, Christian, last one, uh, and then we have to go. Uh, is Goodwood Festival of Speed worth going to or best viewed on YouTube, uh, considering going next year, and would like to hear about the logistics of getting there and where people stay? Um, well, uh, is it worth going to? I mean, I suppose, like, that depends on what level of hardship it would take you to get there. If it's, if you're the kind of person that, that regularly does like car vacations, um, I think it's a good opportunity

• 1:27:45Matt Farah?

  for a car vacation. Um, it's a fun weekend, there's a lot of cool cars, and those cars aren't just on display, they're like ripping up the hill.

• 1:27:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you can get, or you can walk around so many of them in the paddock, like you can, you can be four inches away from like some of the most, the rarest, most incredible cars on earth.

• 1:28:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And it's a lot of fun. There's plenty of available food and beverage. It's pretty well organized. There's, you know, you get a parking pass and there's parking. You can, you could get a caravan or an RV and you could stay on site in an RV spot. There's, you know, it's in kind of the middle of nowhere, so there's not a lot around. I mean, we stayed in one of the closer hotels and it was still a 15 or 20 minute drive. So, yeah, if you're really gonna go, I mean, book your hotel or Airbnb or whatever situation, you know, early.

• 1:28:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:40Matt Farah?

  And you also need to get, make sure you get a parking pass, not just tickets. Otherwise, you're fucked. Or there might be shuttles from other places. I'm sure there are.

• 1:28:49Speaker 01

  Probably.

• 1:28:49Matt Farah?

  But, but you just wanna be able to go and leave whenever you want, probably.

• 1:28:53Speaker 01

  I thought it was a cool thing. If you're, if you either live in that part of the world or you were traveling there anyway, timing it, I think it's really fun and been special.

• 1:29:02Speaker 01

  The driving part, like, or sorry, watching the cars drive up the hill is cool, but you only see them for a tiny moment. So, cause this person asked, is it better to experience it on YouTube? YouTube, you don't get to walk around the cars. You don't get to see all the famous people and the drivers hanging out. Like, I think it's worth going to. I think it's pretty special.

• 1:29:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you can like, you're bumping heads with people, like with, with real legit legendary drivers and stuff. But I would, I wouldn't fly to there just to do it. I would do it as part of a bigger trip.

• 1:29:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Matt Farah?

  Um, sorry, we have to end this one, uh, at 90 minutes. I have, uh, some work obligations I have to do before we go to Texas. Um, hopefully that went well, Zach. We'll save the rest, we'll save the rest of the questions for, uh, for another show and, uh, we'll see you guys soon. Thanks. Bye.