#2229 - Jeff Dye

Jeff Dye is a stand-up comic, actor, and broadcast personality. His YouTube special "The Last Cowboy in LA" premieres on November 14. www.jeffdye.com https://800pgr.lnk.to/cowboy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:12Speaker 01

  I used to have a dog that had terrible, I mean, I don't have, I'm always traveling and also like I'm not real good with discipline of like someone else, you know, like I don't know how to train a dog. So I just let him do anything. So I think it was hilarious. He'd be like chewing on something like, "Check that out." They're like, "He shouldn't do that." I was like, "Eh, fuck it, let him." Like I just liked the idea that he was wild. It made me happy.

• 0:32Joe Rogan?

  It's very bad though if, you know, your dog bites somebody.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  Oh, he's always just humping stuff and like eating the, he was a Ridgeback.

• 0:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Rhodesian Ridgeback?

• 0:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 0:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 0:41Speaker 01

  But in my mind, I'm like, "Well, why do I want to rein tyranny on this dog and be like, 'He needs to sit, he needs to...'" I kind of liked that he was like this little psycho that would hump things and...

• 0:49Joe Rogan?

  That's fun, but you gotta be able to control them.

• 0:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, I couldn't.

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. How old were you back then?

• 0:56Speaker 01

  I was young, like 31 or something at the time. It was like, young.

• 1:01Joe Rogan?

  It's not that young.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  You're young to me, dude. I didn't become an adult for a while.

• 1:04Joe Rogan?

  For like six months ago.

• 1:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. Well, about four years, I think, was mine. No, but that dog, I would open the door, he would just dart. And I was like, "Yeah, this dog is unhinged."

• 1:13Joe Rogan?

  You liked it?

• 1:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, I liked it. It was cool.

• 1:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've had some crazy dogs, but it's like, you gotta train them.

• 1:20Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:21Joe Rogan?

  They have to listen to you. Cause I had a lot of pit bulls when I was younger.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  Oh, nice.

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  You have, they have to listen.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  You look like a pit bull.

• 1:26Joe Rogan?

  They have to have, like, they have to have a sense that you're the boss. You have to be kind and sweet and you love them, but you're the boss. Like, you have to train them. I trained my dog diligently. I was like, "Treat, sit, stay, line up, make him stay for five minutes and then give him a big treat and hug him and kiss him." You gotta like, make sure they fucking listen.

• 1:46Speaker 01

  Well, that was the problem, is that I would literally, like, he would be doing something and I'd be like, "He doesn't respect me." And I would think, like, it was just, it was, that's as simple as it was. My dog, he saw me as like a cool guy. He didn't respect me.

• 1:57Joe Rogan?

  He was your friend.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. So like, I would leave him with his dog trainer in Sherman Oaks and the dog trainer would send me videos and he'd be like, "Look." And I would, I would think, "Look at me, my money's going to good, he, look at what my dog's doing." He's doing a little turn and, but it's cause he respected that guy. And so then he would come back to my house, he'd just piss on the couch while he's laying there. And I'm going, wait, what was all that stuff he learned? He goes, my dog's looking at me going, not for you.

• 2:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're my friend.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're the cool guy.

• 2:23Joe Rogan?

  You're my fucking roommate, bro. We were buds.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  It sucks, dude.

• 2:26Joe Rogan?

  We're both dogs.

• 2:26Speaker 01

  Which is a metaphor for my life, too. Like, I was the fun piss-on-the-couch guy. But at some point, you gotta grow up and be disciplined and...

• 2:34Joe Rogan?

  You really do.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:35Joe Rogan?

  And you don't have as much fun, but the fun that you have, you appreciate.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, cuz it's like, it's not out of control.

• 2:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:42Joe Rogan?

  My dog that I have now is the first dog that I've ever had that was so easy to train. It was like I didn't even train him.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  And it's a Golden? Aren't they kinda dumb?

• 2:49Joe Rogan?

  No, my dog's very smart.

• 2:51Speaker 01

  What's the dumb breed?

• 2:52Joe Rogan?

  They're just sweet. They're sweet, so people think they're dumb, but he understands words. Like, I'll say, "Not that door, dude. Let's go in the side door." And he turns around and goes towards the side door. Like, he gets it. Like, he's a fucking smart dog, but training him was like that.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Really?

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god. First of all, Goldens have no resistance. They don't wanna fight. They don't wanna... They never growl at people. They never... If they bark, it's they see something weird, they never bark at people. Like, they're just the sweetest dogs.

• 3:20Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 3:20Joe Rogan?

  So they just want you to be their friend. So, like, teaching him to sit was, like, real easy. It was like, sit. I push his butt down. And then I give him a little treat. And then, and then I'd say, "Sit." And he'd just sit down.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 3:31Joe Rogan?

  And I'd give him a treat.

• 3:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:32Joe Rogan?

  And then, next day, it was like, "Sit." He sat. Pat him on the head, give him a kiss. He... Now, he just listens.

• 3:37Speaker 01

  Which is also the metaphor for, for humans. We like to have a little, uh, approval. Like, it's less than... It's less of the treat and the pat on the head. I made Dad happy.

• 3:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're the most like people, those dogs. They're the most like people.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  What's the dumb breed? Cuz I don't wanna keep doing this.

• 3:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's a lot of dumb breeds.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  Sometimes I'll see, like, a Dalmatian, and then I'll ask the... That one.

• 3:55Joe Rogan?

  Poor little Carl. Carl was... Carl's not the brightest, but his brain's the size of my thumb. It's not... He doesn't have a big head.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  They're cute though, that's the thing.

• 4:05Joe Rogan?

  Love the shit out of that dog.

• 4:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:06Joe Rogan?

  He's so jacked too. Look how jacked he is. His little muscles.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  He's in constant shape.

• 4:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, him and Marshall like go to war. Like he just, when, when Marshall's here, like Carl, Carl gets so tired from playing with my dog, cause my dog doesn't fight back, so he just totally takes advantage of it. Just throws himself at him like a torpedo. But when it's over, he like can't breathe.

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, cause he's, he was bred to not wrestle.

• 4:30Joe Rogan?

  He's got no nose. He's got no fucking nasal cavity.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  It is a weird dog.

• 4:34Joe Rogan?

  That used to be a wolf.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  They look like aliens.

• 4:36Joe Rogan?

  But it's so fucking weird that humans turned a wolf into that fucking thing.

• 4:39Speaker 01

  I think it's our best invention.

• 4:41Joe Rogan?

  It's a pretty cool job. Like, not saying it's an ethical thing or a smart, I mean, it's kind of like, you know, if you knew what you were doing to a wolf, it's kind of fucked up, but.

• 4:51Speaker 01

  But it doesn't need to survive. That thing's, yeah, he's got Jamie, he's got us, he's, he's in the safest place in America right now.

• 4:57Joe Rogan?

  Like when you see those ladies that carry him around in them little purses? Got a dog carrying him around with their purse?

• 5:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:02Joe Rogan?

  That's, like, that used to be a wolf.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 5:04Joe Rogan?

  They're trying to do that to us.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  What, I know. That's the problem. Just keep your dogs. Don't change me.

• 5:09Joe Rogan?

  They want to do that to everybody. If Kamala won, we would've been one step closer to poodles.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  That's right, yeah. Every day I was getting closer. That's why I'm single too. Just trying to hold on to any freedom I got.

• 5:20Joe Rogan?

  It's, you gotta find someone that you jive with, that gets you. And that's what's hard. It's like, people want to change people. Girls look at guys, they look at some guys like a project. Like, I know he doesn't want to settle down, I know he doesn't want this, but if I could just get him to start changing the way he dresses.

• 5:36Speaker 01

  I know. And then I get him to do the, "Open the car door for me, like, my hands don't work." I know. I'm still, I'm the Ridgeback we were just talking about. Where I'm going, just let me be wild. Let me, like, you know, like, I, I, I'll spend like 24 hours with a woman and just enjoy every second of it. I enjoy every, like, all the affection, the door opening. I enjoy these kind of things, you know, taking care of someone, showing them how cool.

• 6:01Joe Rogan?

  You don't open up the car door?

• 6:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll do that. Yeah, I like that. But, uh, I'll show them my life, you know, "Hey, these are my comedy buddies and watch me go kill on stage." "Oh, I got this, I'll pay for everything." And about like at a 24 hours of my brain.

• 6:12Joe Rogan?

  And I'm like, I gotta get out of this.

• 6:14Speaker 01

  Like, how, like, how do I reset?

• 6:15Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you're overdosing. Maybe it's like binge drinking.

• 6:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, maybe.

• 6:18Joe Rogan?

  You know, if you have a glass of wine with dinner, you don't feel like, like, oh, get that fucking wine away from me.

• 6:23Speaker 01

  That is true.

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  But if you drink like Burt Kreischer, you drink fucking boxes of wine. Burt, we get on the treadmill and drink a box of wine on the treadmill.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Ah, don't get me started. I know.

• 6:33Speaker 01

  Burt suffers from the same disease Patrice had. He doesn't know how, like, he's so this one of a kind person that he, everything he says and all the advice he tries to give, don't work for anyone else because he's one of a kind. So he'll say, here's what you gotta do, and you go, that doesn't apply to me. Do you know what I'm saying? We can't be on a treadmill, drinking a box of wine, and then go do a show for 200 grand. We're different people.

• 6:59Joe Rogan?

  He, he can keep going. I've never seen anyone like him. He's a freak athlete, believe it or not.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  I believe that.

• 7:06Joe Rogan?

  Tom Segura played him in a game of tennis. And Tom got a tennis coach. They had this, like, this big tennis match. They even did it on, like, one of those, uh, Your Mom's House Live screens. You know, like, they made a big deal out of it, a big tennis match. Burt destroyed him.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:22Joe Rogan?

  Drunk, hungover, giant belly, serves like a pro. He said he literally serves like a fucking Division One college player.

• 7:31Speaker 01

  I didn't know that about him. Yeah, that's pretty impressive.

• 7:33Joe Rogan?

  He goes, what the fuck?

• 7:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:35Joe Rogan?

  He goes, his serve is insane.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  That makes total sense. I mean, I'm not, yeah, I'm like somewhat surprised by it, but, yeah, just got it.

• 7:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he just knows how to do, he's also got this bizarre confidence.

• 7:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:47Joe Rogan?

  That allows him to not have anxiety about trying new things.

• 7:50Speaker 01

  Great for this business.

• 7:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, just dives in, takes his shirt off, woo.

• 7:53Speaker 01

  Look at me.

• 7:56Speaker 01

  Well, I was just thinking, like, cause early, he went on something where he was gone. If, if you, if someone tells you to quit drinking, uh, don't stop drinking. Tell, tell them to shut up. Drinking's the best thing. I go, oh, Jesus Christ, you know how many alcoholics are hearing this right now, Burt? Like, some people should quit, some people shouldn't. I get what he was trying to do. I get the point that he was trying to do, but in my mind.

• 8:15Joe Rogan?

  Is this a tennis match? See this?

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Boom. Oh, that was beautiful.

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• 10:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, but the form of that was beautiful.

• 10:52Joe Rogan?

  What did he do here? I think he aced them. Oh, he did ace them.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Uh, Tom's flustered.

• 10:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he's really good.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  Tom's just happy he didn't snap his leg here. Boom.

• 11:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, look at that fucking serve. Bro, it's got a curve to it, too.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Oh, that's great. Also, Burt looks fit here.

• 11:09Joe Rogan?

  Well.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  It's the outfit?

• 11:10Joe Rogan?

  That's for him. For him, he's fit. You know, he loses weight. He gets way down, then he binges up again.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:15Joe Rogan?

  He gets crazy again. He lost like sixty pounds and got real fit. Didn't drink for like three months.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:21Joe Rogan?

  And then he just goes crazy again.

• 11:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, has a good time. I love him, though. But I was just saying like the advice thing. Like, did you ever work with Patrice or know him good?

• 11:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  One time I'm in New York. This is the late, great Patrice I knew. I'm going through a thing with a girl at the time. And, you know, people ask you how you're doing, and if you're sad, I'm a pretty honest guy. I just go, ah, you know, this, my girlfriend's driving me crazy. She's back at, you know, the apartment when I was in New York. She's back. It's just stressing me out. I need to get on stage, have a good time, have some drinks. I need to like, just whatever. He goes, here's what you do, man. You're a good-looking guy. And I was like, yeah? I don't think I'm gonna get advice from Patrice, you know? This'll be great. He goes, you're a good-looking guy, man.

• 11:57Joe Rogan?

  Bring another girl home.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 11:58Joe Rogan?

  Is that what he said?

• 11:59Speaker 01

  He like goes, I seen the way these girls looking at you around there. You find one of these bitches, you have a good time. Don't worry about what's back at the apartment. Then, when the time comes, bring her back. Bring her back to your apartment and say, yo, this is me. This is, you know, you gotta deal with this shit. And if you ain't... And I was like,

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Patrice, you're my hero. I love ya. Terrible advice.

• 12:23Joe Rogan?

  Terrible advice.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  You're gonna get me murdered.

• 12:25Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna get murdered.

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Also, that's just not the type of women I hang out with. They're not gonna be fine with that.

• 12:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a very specific type of woman.

• 12:33Speaker 01

  I couldn't believe it.

• 12:34Joe Rogan?

  Who are already probably gonna murder you.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, time's ticking on that, exactly.

• 12:38Joe Rogan?

  I had a friend of mine that said that he was gonna, he, I talked my girlfriend into doing a threesome. And if I had the same exact feeling as someone saying to me, hey, I started making my own bomb.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Right, you got dodged it.

• 12:48Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 12:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. But I think that that's what you should think when you hear your heroes or Burt tell you anything. Just, just, just know their lives are different than yours.

• 12:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's some certain one of a kind people that you just gotta say like, not everybody can do that. Like Burt went and got a liver screen and cancer. Oh, he's fine.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:08Joe Rogan?

  He's fine.

• 13:08Speaker 01

  He can do it.

• 13:09Joe Rogan?

  He's fine.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  He is a machine.

• 13:11Joe Rogan?

  He goes and gets his health checked and his health is fine. He's 50 years old.

• 13:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:15Joe Rogan?

  He's still going hard. How old is Burt now? He's gotta be deep into his 40s.

• 13:20Speaker 01

  But Burt will be like, don't quit drinking. Have a good time. And then some guy's like, I'm hitting my wife again, dude. This booze is...

• 13:26Joe Rogan?

  He was probably drunk when he said that. You know, like you probably got that, probably took some time off and then had a drink. Started feeling good. I want to tweet some advice.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  Yeah. It was one of those things. Cause I love him. And some people, a lot of the comments were like, "Oh, another comedian not understanding another comedian." I was just, I was like, no, it's not that. I love Burt. If you knew our relationship, you'd get it. Like I, where we're good. I just want people to know, if you do have a problem, it's okay to quit.

• 13:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, especially you as a person who quit.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. I was just saying, you know, this is a sensitive subject for some people.

• 13:55Joe Rogan?

  It is. Because some, look, I have certain friends that have recovered from alcoholism. And this one buddy that I had that used to drink, he would drink and then his eyes would glaze over like a shark's.

• 14:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:07Joe Rogan?

  Like the pupils would be gone and he wasn't there anymore. Like, oh, Bob's gone. Now this fucking drunk Bob, drunk Bob, totally different human being.

• 14:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure.

• 14:15Joe Rogan?

  He would blackout all the time, not remember things. Like you don't remember what you did? Like you didn't remember anything?

• 14:20Speaker 01

  I was that guy. I would be fun, fun, fun till it wasn't fun.

• 14:23Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I think it's a genetic thing.

• 14:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:25Joe Rogan?

  I mean, I, I am guessing, um, but I, I've never had that.

• 14:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:30Joe Rogan?

  So I've got to assume that it's a genetic, I've gotten fucked up before.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 14:34Joe Rogan?

  I've gotten really drunk. I've never like, I need to get drunk. I've never been like, I need to get drunk. But I, I have friends that...

• 14:41Speaker 01

  I have one gear, dude.

• 14:42Joe Rogan?

  So there's a thing, yeah.

• 14:43Speaker 01

  One gear.

• 14:44Joe Rogan?

  One gear.

• 14:44Speaker 01

  If we're gonna smoke weed, I smoke all the weed. And you know what I'm saying?

• 14:48Joe Rogan?

  We're doing coke, you're going to Tijuana.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, I become King Coke guy, you know? Why do one Viagra when I can do six Viagras? You know, like I just don't have a, and, and that's why also like, it works to my benefit. You know, the first time I said I'm gonna do stand up, I never stopped. Like I was up there, I was obsessed.

• 15:06Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever get hit in the head real hard?

• 15:08Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, I played a lot of like sports growing up. So yeah, I got hit. I've had two really serious concussions where I went to the hospital. You think that's it?

• 15:17Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Oh, interesting. Yeah, I had two big ones where I lost a week.

• 15:20Joe Rogan?

  I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist, but I do know that that is one of the side effects of brain injury. Is that you you lose impulse control.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  Interesting. Yeah, I've got no governor. Which works good, you know, it works good for some things like, you know, like I said, when I'm hanging out with a girl, like I'm best boyfriend ever, I'm king, you know, but. And then it's a gotta be extremely not.

• 15:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  You know, there's kind of these extremes.

• 15:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta get to know someone. If you're diving in with someone for 24 hours, 48 hours, and you just met them, like, the chances of you guys jiving perfectly are not that good. It's like, not even 50 50. If you get lucky, you find the girl of your dreams and then, hey, we've been together, we we hung out together for two days in a row, and then, fuck, we were married six months later, and we live happily ever after. That's real. That can, I've met people like that.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:07Joe Rogan?

  It can happen, but generally.

• 16:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:09Joe Rogan?

  First of all, when you meet someone, you barely meeting them. You're meeting the thing that they put on when they want someone to like them.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  It's performative a little, for sure.

• 16:18Joe Rogan?

  I always say to young guys, try to become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Wait, say it again. Try to be?

• 16:26Joe Rogan?

  Become the person that you're pretending to be when you're trying to get laid.

• 16:30Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 16:31Joe Rogan?

  Just be that person, and you never have to pretend.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  I love that. I I I believe that outside of the idea of relationships. So like, I always say like, and I've probably heard this somewhere, read it somewhere, but like, the idea of like, you can be like your heroes.

• 16:44Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  You know, what like, what do you like about the person you say you like?

• 16:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  They're kind. Okay, so just be kind. That's what people like, you know, or, oh, I like that guy because he's down to earth.

• 16:54Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 16:54Speaker 01

  So then you should try to be down to earth. You know, it's very, you just, you, uh, you should be like the people, you know, and you can also have anti-heroes. Me and my parents have a very tumultuous relationship. And so that's a positive for me, because I'm going, I don't want to be like that.

• 17:06Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 17:06Speaker 01

  Or that quality that I don't want to be like, and so.

• 17:08Joe Rogan?

  For me, it was always lazy people. I I had a like, a severe disdain for lazy people, like, and I'm aggressive disdain. I'd be angry at people if they were lazy when I was a young man. It's because I was so scared of being lazy.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 17:22Joe Rogan?

  I was so scared of being a loser that I, if I saw any laziness in people, I'd get angry.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Which is weird, because you love pot.

• 17:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that

• 17:29Speaker 01

  A lot of pot guys are just, they're happy with their laziness.

• 17:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's not me, man.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  I know, you're the opposite. You're like the most productive pothead I've ever known.

• 17:37Joe Rogan?

  It's not a, to me, it doesn't slow me down. It makes me think more. And when I think more, I think about all the shit I need to get done. And I think about like how I'll feel if I don't accomplish what I don't accomplish, like if I don't put in the work. I start freaking out.

• 17:51Speaker 01

  What's your exact strand? Cause that's the one everyone needs. Whatever the strand is you're doing.

• 17:55Joe Rogan?

  I like sativas over indica's, but I don't like to get super duper high. I just, I know, it's like drunk. It's like, I like two drinks. Two drinks and I go on stage, I'm the life of the party. We're all friends. Come on, what's up? Four drinks and I'm like, what did I just talk about five minutes ago? Make sure I don't repeat my jokes, you know? Make sure I don't bring up something that I'm not sure where it goes yet, you know? I didn't, I didn't look at my notes before I went on stage, like, I can't, four drinks is too much.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  Or you go, I'll scrap these first four parts of the bit and just do this joke. And you're like, why'd you scrap those? I'm drunk, I just jumped right to that part.

• 18:30Joe Rogan?

  Pot makes me really consider all the things I'm not doing. It makes me call friends and check in on them. It makes, yeah, it makes me like way more like kind and compassionate and friendly. I wanna hug people.

• 18:44Speaker 01

  Mushrooms does that for me.

• 18:45Joe Rogan?

  Same thing, yeah.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, that one was like a life-changing thing for me. Because I was like, I, I don't know, I'm trying to explain something scientific that I don't know nothing about. But if I had to describe how it felt, it felt like it connected things for me. Where I was like, oh, I need to be a little bit more, I need to work on this, or I need to check in with so-and-so, or I need to let go of that. And that was all because of, um, I kinda came back a different guy after mushrooms.

• 19:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think one of the primary things that it does is it dissolves your ego. And the ego, I think, is a giant cage that we all live in. And you can kinda see the world from outside the cage, but the ego is there protecting you from reality sometimes. The egos there protecting you from your understanding of your own mistakes, which we all have. And some, some people bullshit themselves, but they keep it in the back of their head. The ego is what's doing all that for you. And it's doing that as like this little shield, this little cage that you put in that allows you to move through the world. And mushrooms just takes that down. And then you just get to see the world for what it really is and see you for where you really are. And then see like some of the behaviors that you always regret about yourself.

• 19:55Joe Rogan?

  Why am I doing that? Like, what is that? And then you can kind of see the, the roots of it all. Or and you see the cause and effect of interactions with people. I remember one time I had a psychedelic experience and I was closing my eyes and I saw positive thoughts as a different pattern. Like I had a negative thought and the pattern turned like dark. And then I had a positive thought like, oh, no, no, don't think negative. And it went, ah, like flowered open.

• 20:21Speaker 01

  Love that.

• 20:21Joe Rogan?

  Beautiful patterns. And then it was like the thing, like the mushroom was telling me, that's the way to go.

• 20:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:27Joe Rogan?

  That's the way to go.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  That perception.

• 20:28Joe Rogan?

  You can lean into negativity if you want to. You want to be a cunt.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 20:32Joe Rogan?

  There's plenty of cunts out there.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:33Joe Rogan?

  But there's people out there that are doing that. They're filled with anxiety. It's wrecking their life.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  Dude.

• 20:37Joe Rogan?

  Just nice.

• 20:38Speaker 01

  People love being wronged.

• 20:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they do.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  It's such a treat for them to hold on to their wrong, how the things they've been wronged and the. And so like, that's such a great way to describe that. Cause really the, my failures and my flaws and the things I want to work on and all that stuff are the connection. Like that's when, like when I was able to go, man, I think I really have a problem here and I need, I need some help. People were excited to help me.

• 21:03Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:03Speaker 01

  Because it gave them a chance to help and serve and connect.

• 21:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 21:06Speaker 01

  And so as opposed to me thinking I needed to pretend I didn't have a problem or they wouldn't be my friends. It made them so much better friends knowing like, oh, we can help them.

• 21:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 21:15Speaker 01

  So, and that's just, I keep using sobriety as an example, but just in general, the connection is. That.

• 21:22Joe Rogan?

  You know, connections, everything, like real connection with people is everything. And you gotta have good people around you, like this whole idea of being nice and being cool. Some people can't be nice, they're surrounded by assholes. They're surrounded by people that are fucking with them and taking from them and ruining their life and interjecting in their life and they're just like, ugh, they have to stand up for themselves.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 21:42Joe Rogan?

  But you've gotta at least aspire to get into a better situation in life and surround yourself somehow. There's a way, I've done it, you've done it, surround yourself with nice people.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 21:53Joe Rogan?

  It can be done.

• 21:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, hundred percent. Find a group, find a friend, find a church, find a.

• 21:58Joe Rogan?

  And also be that person so that you attract those people. Again, like try, figure it out.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  I was describing my buddy Chris the other day, like, like what I think the problem is uh, with kinda like modern times, and that's kinda vague. But it's like, I see, I've always seen my life as like, I got dealt a card of hands. You know, some of his cards real good and some of the cards not good, but that's the hand I was dealt.

• 22:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  We've all been dealt some hand of cards. A lot of people bad ones, some people really good ones, we've just been dealt a hand. And I, I thought to myself, how can I play these cards? I didn't start bitching about the rules of poker. Like I did, I didn't start going, hey dealer, that lets, maybe we should change the whole board. Like no, I just, all I can do is play my hand.

• 22:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 22:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think, and I, I think that like, that's kind of how I'm viewing modern times. Where people would rather complain about the rules of poker instead of just playing their hands the best way they could.

• 22:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's outcasts for the first time, get collectively as a group and then act like bullies. So they act like people have acted to them. Like the most, you know, it's that old expression, hurt people, hurt people. Right, so the nastiest, meanest people online, I find, other than like white radical, white supremacists, Nazis and shit. Like, well, just you're talking about social issues, the, the meanest people, the left wing people, for whatever reason.

• 23:19Speaker 01

  Especially now.

• 23:20Joe Rogan?

  And this is not to say there's not some cunts out there that are right wing people, there's a ton of them.

• 23:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:24Joe Rogan?

  But I just, it's commonplace for people who consider themselves good, kind people, to say things like. Like punch a Nazi.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:32Joe Rogan?

  And then they get to define what a Nazi is and has nothing to do with the swastika, nothing to do with hating Jews. You know, you just be you voted Republican. Oh, you're a fascist.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Right.

• 23:40Joe Rogan?

  Okay. You tell me, first of all, what does that mean?

• 23:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:44Joe Rogan?

  You tell me what that means. Tell me what that word, define that word. You throw that word around so often.

• 23:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:49Joe Rogan?

  And there's a word that, there's a lot of, there's a lot of definitions of that word, right wing, you know, authoritarian government, all that stuff. But also, like, forcing people to behave and think in a certain way.

• 24:03Speaker 01

  That's what they hate about religion.

• 24:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  They claim they hate religion because religious people tell them what to think and do.

• 24:08Joe Rogan?

  It's a religion.

• 24:09Speaker 01

  And then they do a religious act of being like a liberal going, if you don't think like me, you must be bad. Racism's their devil. And it's okay to hate the devil. And so they try to hate it.

• 24:19Joe Rogan?

  Do you know who Marc Andreessen is? He's a brilliant venture capitalist, like super genius guy and been on my podcast a couple of times. He broke the whole woke thing down as a religion and like explained how you can get excommunicated.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 24:34Joe Rogan?

  And cast out and that's, and people are fearful of that. So they stay inside the lines.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:38Joe Rogan?

  There's a doctrine they all follow.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  They're using race. Because guess what? Who'd want to be friends with a racist?

• 24:43Joe Rogan?

  It's also gender. It's also like stupid shit. Like you could be non-binary. If you're a white man, you got nowhere to go. Hey, I can't be, I can't even be like.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:51Joe Rogan?

  Fucked with, like nothing, no one's discriminating against me. You can become non-binary.

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 24:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, great. You can still fuck girls.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 24:58Joe Rogan?

  You just have to say you're a they, them.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Well, for like in my, like before what I've like in my observation, like the left used to be really like the cool, the progressive side, the nice side, the good side. Whereas to now, like, I'm like, listen to yourselves. You don't like rich people, right? You're mad at everyone wealthy. You're mad at the super wealthy. You hate gym bros, you hate frat guys, you hate straight white guys, you hate boomers. You're mad at your grandparents. You, you seem to not like a lot of people. For being the most accepting side.

• 25:29Joe Rogan?

  Just completely generalizing.

• 25:31Speaker 01

  Right, also where's our empathy? I think if I ever met like a crazy right wing, which I never have met any of these Nazis they're talking about, but if I did meet one, I believe that I could have some empathy for them and some sympathy and go, "They're just dumb."

• 25:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  They're not evil, they're just dumb. They can be tricked, they can be like convinced otherwise.

• 25:51Joe Rogan?

  They're also, they're also programmed, right? It's generally they're programmed by the people around them.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. But where's our empathy? I watched this documentary on Netflix, it was about like the KKK and the woman who made the documentary was like a, kind of a cute Muslim girl and she like interviewed actual white nationalists and, and KKK members. And she brings them into this thing and what I learned from that documentary, what I got from it was that like, "Oh, they don't even really believe this." They just wanted a group, they wanted a daddy, they wanted someone to like, so they, they, they thought to themselves, "I can hate black people." I mean if, uh, if they're over there, I don't ever have to confront one and I don't ever have to be, um, and when they will meet a black guy, they'll go, "Well, not you, we're talking about the idea." They're not even talking about that actual person. And the girl in the documentary goes, "Well, you know that you let me in and you've been very nice to me and I'm a Muslim woman." And the guy's like, "Well, not you."

• 26:41Speaker 01

  We're talking about, yeah. So it's because they just wanted a group like you.

• 26:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  They just wanted a group like, like black gang members or Hispanic MS 19, whatever these groups are. Whatever your little lesbian group is, whatever your baseball team is. They needed a group.

• 26:56Joe Rogan?

  They needed a group.

• 26:57Speaker 01

  And their group was like, "I can hate some people I've never seen before."

• 27:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and that's why it's so dangerous, like groups, like, um, where, where they can get entrapped. Because, uh, the, uh, the Governor Whitmer case, do you know that case?

• 27:10Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 27:11Joe Rogan?

  These guys conspired to kidnap the governor of, uh, Michigan? Michigan?

• 27:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:18Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, there's 14 people involved, 12 of them were FBI informants.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:24Joe Rogan?

  I mean, he got these two dudes that just wanted to be in a group.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it.

• 27:27Joe Rogan?

  Two guys, "Hey man, we're gonna kidnap them, we're gonna take over the government, fuck it."

• 27:32Speaker 01

  That's hilarious.

• 27:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, they just wanted some shit, yeah.

• 27:35Joe Rogan?

  Red Riders.

• 27:36Speaker 01

  I'm in, I'm in. What time?

• 27:38Joe Rogan?

  They probably had a name for their gang. They were cool, they called, they had a group chat, probably felt real cool.

• 27:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:44Joe Rogan?

  A group chat, "Oh, guys, my gang."

• 27:45Speaker 01

  We're gonna make some change.

• 27:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're getting a duct tape.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Vigilantes.

• 27:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, meanwhile, these two guys thought they were cosplaying, and then they got arrested, like, "I don't know, I didn't really plan on doing this."

• 27:53Speaker 01

  I know.

• 27:54Joe Rogan?

  It wasn't even my idea.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  It's tricky. Another problem I've noticed too, like, along these lines, is like, let's say we're in a group, let's say we have some group, and then we find out one of the guys in our group did a bad thing. But we got, we gotta pay our bills, right? We got a group, and also, we do, we do have kind of camaraderie. So a bad thing groups like to do is cover up for that person.

• 28:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 28:13Speaker 01

  So like, it's not like every Catholic priest, I've heard all your terrible bits at the comedy clubs about the Catholic priests from every comic I know. It's not like all the ones were fine with sexually molesting children. It's just that there were a lot that did, and the church thought, "This is not gonna look good for us, let's cover this up." It happens in the military, sometimes there's some bad guys in the military, and they, instead of, like, they, they don't want people to think if you send your daughters to the military, bad things are gonna happen, so they kind of internally deal with it, you know? And that's a bad thing that groups do, is that even our own government goes, "All right, let's find a way to cover that up," instead of dealing with this, because if we just deal with it, it's gonna reflect poorly on the group.

• 28:54Joe Rogan?

  What are we gonna do with this obscene client list? Let's, uh, yeah.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  Let's, uh...

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  Is it really helping the world?

• 28:59Speaker 01

  Isn't it a big deal?

• 29:00Joe Rogan?

  Does Mr. Gates need this kind of attention?

• 29:02Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 29:03Joe Rogan?

  He's out there trying to cure polio, leave him alone.

• 29:04Speaker 01

  Exactly. So you start to think, "Let's protect the group."

• 29:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  And we do it in all these ways. I think that that's happened with the LGBTQ plus, whatever. I think a lot of gay people are waking up and going, "Why did we let the trans people in this group? They're making us look terrible."

• 29:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, lesbians are having a real problem with it, because there's a lot of trans men who's identified as lesbian.

• 29:24Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 29:24Joe Rogan?

  Or trans women, they say they're a lesbian, and they get on lesbian apps, and these girls are like, "I'm looking for a vagina."

• 29:30Speaker 01

  Hundred percent, yeah.

• 29:31Joe Rogan?

  "What a dick, I'd go fuck a guy."

• 29:32Speaker 01

  And now they're waking up going, "Ah, maybe this, maybe the trans struggle was different than the gay struggle, but we've let them in the group, and now..."

• 29:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of gay guys think that the movement is homophobic, because you're telling a young gay guy, "No, you're a woman, you're actually a woman." Well, it's one of those things that you gotta say, some people, it must be true. Because it's always been a thing. Like, to have real gender dysphoria, to be in your mind, feel like a woman, has always been a thing, even if you're a guy. There's more feminine women that feel like women. So it's like, that's real. But also, when you encourage that, and you reward people socially for that, and then you have Pride Day at kindergarten, and you're talking about like sexual orientation to people that are nowhere near puberty, which is really crazy.

• 30:22Joe Rogan?

  And then you start, like, having people that become trans, all of a sudden, they're amazing.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:29Joe Rogan?

  Where they were just really mediocre before. Like Bruce Jenner. Like, he was the goof of the Kardashian show. First of all, it makes no sense. No one's accomplished shit. This motherfucker was on the cover of Weenies.

• 30:41Speaker 01

  A star.

• 30:41Joe Rogan?

  He was a star. He was a fucking gold medalist in the decathlon, in the goddamn Olympics.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  He was a national hero.

• 30:48Joe Rogan?

  He was a stud.

• 30:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:50Joe Rogan?

  And meanwhile, he's on this show with these influencers. And he's just getting nothing.

• 30:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 30:55Joe Rogan?

  He's just mocked.

• 30:56Speaker 01

  He's like, I could be a pretty gal.

• 30:58Joe Rogan?

  Just openly mocked. He becomes a woman, he's Woman of the Year in six months.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  Immediately.

• 31:04Joe Rogan?

  In six months, he took over the fucking game.

• 31:07Speaker 01

  He's a winner.

• 31:08Joe Rogan?

  It's like a Chinese autistic kid coming into your math class and fucking up the curve.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  How do they get here? What's going on here?

• 31:15Joe Rogan?

  This guy's a G, he's got a 287 IQ, this is not fair.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Cheating, yeah.

• 31:19Joe Rogan?

  He just came in and took over.

• 31:21Speaker 01

  Superwoman?

• 31:22Joe Rogan?

  He's, everyone loved him, until he started saying he was voting for Trump.

• 31:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, now they hate him.

• 31:26Joe Rogan?

  Which was hilarious, like, people were saying it's okay to misgender her.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 31:31Joe Rogan?

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• 33:47Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't seem to care.

• 33:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:48Joe Rogan?

  Like, is fine with you dead naming her, whatever. Like, this is who she is now.

• 33:54Speaker 01

  Right.

• 33:54Joe Rogan?

  She's comfortable in her own skin, sixty years old, out of the closet, the whole deal, yay. But people are, I saw this thing online where someone was saying it's okay to misgender Caitlyn Jenner because she voted for Trump. So, okay, so transphobia is okay if someone differs with you politically?

• 34:13Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 34:13Joe Rogan?

  Like, what are you doing?

• 34:14Speaker 01

  I know.

• 34:15Joe Rogan?

  You're not being compassionate, you're not being kind. All these things that you said is only with total compliance are you willing to give people this grace. You must have total compliance to our ideology, or you're cast out of the kingdom.

• 34:27Speaker 01

  It's a leverage of power.

• 34:29Joe Rogan?

  Even if you're a trans woman, which is like at the top of the oppression list. They're above regular

• 34:34Speaker 01

  Cannibals.

• 34:34Joe Rogan?

  Poor black people, poor Mexicans, like, poor immigrants, trans people's the top of the mountain.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  They're attacking their own. They're like, literally like cannibals, just going like, oh, this one didn't fall in line.

• 34:45Joe Rogan?

  Didn't fall in line.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Throw them out. Yeah, it's the worst. I also think it's like just a big overcorrection. I think, I think humans are like guilty of always overcorrecting. So it's like, we were racist.

• 34:56Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Historically, uh, I could go on about that for hours, but like, let's say that's the idea that we're agreeing with. Historically, America was racist. So now the overcorrection is, anything that is racist must be, don't ever even accuse a person of color of something wrong, because, because we have to so overcorrect and we have to say how many black friends we have and say how cool black things are and don't say that their hair is different, because that would be a racist thing.

• 35:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Or, oh, we used to be homophobic, so now, if a guy sucks a dick, let's give him a parade.

• 35:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's put him in the White House.

• 35:28Speaker 01

  Let's celebrate how, exactly.

• 35:30Joe Rogan?

  Let's get him in charge of, the fucking guy in the dress who's in charge of nuclear energy.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  Just let him suck dick.

• 35:35Joe Rogan?

  That was stealing women's clothes.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, just let him suck dick. We didn't need him to be in power.

• 35:38Joe Rogan?

  The person's not exceptional just because they wear a dress. That's crazy. That's a nutty person.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  You're not virtuous, because, like, and that's, and like, I think that there's a big difference between just letting someone live their life and not, and being kind to them in society and not treating them different and giving them all the same rights, as opposed to celebrating it.

• 35:55Joe Rogan?

  I think you're absolutely right. It's just an extreme overcorrection. What we need to do is just let people be themselves.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  Right.

• 36:01Joe Rogan?

  And figure out who that is, but what is weird is when it becomes encouraged. And so then you get like with girls in particular, they're very vulnerable. Abigail Schreier wrote a book about this, about how many girls that are on the spectrum get convinced that they're trans.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:18Joe Rogan?

  And then the problem is there's some states that allow you, I think if you're 15, you can go and get puberty blockers or at the very least you can get testosterone. I know you can do that. Do you know that Planned Parenthood is like the number one prescriber of testosterone? See if that's true. But I think Planned Parenthood prescribes more testosterone than anybody, which is really crazy, if that's true.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 36:40Joe Rogan?

  Because I think in some places they help people with gender transition. So, and if you're a girl, in some states, you don't even have to be an adult. You can go to them and you don't have the permission of your parents. And if you, I don't know who you have to consult with or what you have to do, but I've heard it's alarmingly easy.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:56Joe Rogan?

  And then now you're on testosterone. And one of the things that testosterone does is alleviates anxiety, makes you feel stronger, you feel like more alert, you're more alive, like this, this is what I was missing.

• 37:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:06Joe Rogan?

  I was missing testosterone, like, no, you weren't. No, you weren't, that's not a natural part of your body. You just added something and now you feel way different, but now you're gonna change your voice. And if you grow out of this, and if this is just a phase, well, now you've fucked up your life and you can't ever have children.

• 37:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 37:24Joe Rogan?

  And there's a bunch of those ladies out there, the detransitioners, they're stuck with deep voices for their whole lives, they're stuck with masculine features, they've cut their breasts off.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  I got in trouble for posting.

• 37:35Joe Rogan?

  They're adults.

• 37:36Speaker 01

  Uh, I got in trouble for posting this.

• 37:38Joe Rogan?

  Is that true about Planned Parenthood?

• 37:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to get sued.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Have you been sued? Anybody ever sued?

• 37:46Joe Rogan?

  I did read it in a, um...

• 37:49Speaker 03

  I see one article, but I don't know if this is legit.

• 37:52Joe Rogan?

  What does it say?

• 37:53Speaker 03

  Oh, it says that, but I'm trying to find out. I don't know what the, it's the Dallas Express, it doesn't seem like.

• 37:57Joe Rogan?

  That's the number one newspaper in the universe. Dallas Express, I always go to the Dallas Express. Planned Parenthood among largest suppliers of testosterone.

• 38:05Speaker 01

  Right there.

• 38:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay, let's see what the numbers are, do they say numbers?

• 38:08Speaker 03

  I didn't even get it.

• 38:09Speaker 01

  Eight hundred visits per year to more than 2,500.

• 38:11Joe Rogan?

  The whole fucking expression, gender-affirming care, freaks me out, man.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  I got in trouble for posting this. I said, "If genitals don't define gender, how does removing them affirm it?"

• 38:22Joe Rogan?

  That's fucking touche. That's touche.

• 38:25Speaker 01

  What are we doing? Like if...

• 38:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's really crazy.

• 38:28Speaker 01

  You said like, "I don't need to have a vagina to be a woman," then why do I need to remove my penis to be a woman?

• 38:33Joe Rogan?

  Whoa, back that up again? The number of gender-affirming hormone therapy visits to Planned Parenthood tripled between 2021 and 2023, growing from 800 visits per year to more than 2,500. That's crazy. That shows you that it's a social contagion, and that's Abigail Schreier's position on it. And it's a very compassionate, kind position.

• 38:59Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 38:59Joe Rogan?

  And it's about the future of children and them making decisions when they're very impressionable. And boy, do people attack her. They removed her from bookstores. They called her transphobic just for literally talking about facts and statistics and the numbers have increased and the psychological effect. Like, what's going on with them psychologically? Like, why are they being led? Who are these? What is the... What is the actual odds that nine friends all become trans? What are the odds of that? It's almost zero.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  Preposterous. Absolutely, yeah.

• 39:26Joe Rogan?

  But then again, it is also a real thing. Like, there's always been people that have felt like they should have been a woman. And if you're a grown adult and you want to make that decision, yeah, you do whatever you want to do.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:39Joe Rogan?

  I've met trans people that say they are very happy with what they've done.

• 39:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:43Joe Rogan?

  That's great.

• 39:44Speaker 01

  I guess.

• 39:45Joe Rogan?

  But you gotta know what the fuck that is, and when you're 13, you don't.

• 39:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't know if I'd encourage it even in an adult. I know that the correct statement for me right now would be like, "Just leave our kids alone." But I think that maybe I don't even want to encourage adults. We just gotta pursue your own things, and I think that's beautiful, and I think that's what our country's about. But in my mind...

• 40:03Joe Rogan?

  Find a dude who doesn't care about the dick.

• 40:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 40:05Joe Rogan?

  If you're a trans woman, find a dude... Find Jim Norton.

• 40:09Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, exactly. You can find a Jim Norton. You could have gotten a celebrity.

• 40:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, that's what happened with Jim. He's got a trans woman for a wife. He's happy. Talks about the dick.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  You know what's crazy about the Jim Norton thing? Is that, like, you know, he's with these tough crowd guys. He's with all my heroes. I looked up to Jim Norton my whole life. I love Jim Norton. I'm a fan. And then they go, "You know, he's married to a trans woman." And I was like, "The fuck?" And everyone's like, "Oh, you, Jeff, and your trans thing." I was like, "No, if I know Jim Norton, he wouldn't have got married." That's really what I was shocked about, the institution of marriage he believes in? That's ridiculous. This is Jim Norton.

• 40:44Joe Rogan?

  That's the overcorrection. You want to show this is really your wife? You're gonna marry her.

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 40:48Joe Rogan?

  Whereas all the girlfriends, all the girls with their little stinky vaginas. Get out of here.

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Get out of here.

• 40:53Joe Rogan?

  You're not getting married.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Like telling anyone.

• 40:55Joe Rogan?

  You can't take my last name. Fuck off. I'm waiting for a dick.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's very crazy, man.

• 41:01Joe Rogan?

  That's the overcorrection.

• 41:03Speaker 01

  But you wouldn't encourage someone, and I know that I'm gonna take some hits for this, but you wouldn't encourage someone who believed that they were, that their body was fat if it wasn't healthily, you know, like with an eating disorder, and they said, Joe, but I-

• 41:14Joe Rogan?

  I think Tucker Carlson said that. You don't say, "Oh, you are fat."

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, Joe, but I believe I should be, and you go, "You're dying, dude."

• 41:21Joe Rogan?

  Right. Or it's, no, what he said it about was anorexics. Like, you would never tell an anorexic, "Oh, you are fat."

• 41:26Speaker 01

  And that's real.

• 41:27Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:27Speaker 01

  People are really out there believing. They look in a mirror, they're a skeleton. But they look in the mirror and they go, "I'm gross, I'm fat."

• 41:32Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 41:33Speaker 01

  You wouldn't encourage it.

• 41:34Joe Rogan?

  You would never encourage that. You would say, "No, there's something wrong."

• 41:36Speaker 01

  Correct. You would treat it.

• 41:38Joe Rogan?

  I think the other problem is that the whole way they do it, you can't orgasm ever again. Okay? And you don't really have a vagina. You have this hole, right? And then you have to keep that hole dilated. You have to stick something inside it. I think it's like lip jobs. Like, don't get the early ones. Wait till they get this down. Don't let people experiment on you by spicing your dick open like a hot dog. Wait. Just hang in there.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Wait for the iPod 6.

• 42:04Joe Rogan?

  Wait for gene therapy. Because I firmly believe, it might not be in our lifetime, but if maybe in our children or our grandchildren's lifetime, gene editing will get to a place where they will be able to turn you into whatever the fuck you want.

• 42:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:17Joe Rogan?

  And it's probably gonna be a nightmare, because every guy's gonna look like Thor, and every woman's gonna look like a prime Jennifer Lopez. It's like, there's not gonna be any variations. Everyone's gonna be super hot.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:26Joe Rogan?

  There's not, you're not gonna appreciate hot people.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, you will big whoop.

• 42:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, because like, you know, when you, when a hot woman walks in a room and there's no other hot women, everyone's like, "Whoa, one's here."

• 42:35Speaker 01

  Look what I got.

• 42:36Joe Rogan?

  Look what you look. Look at her. Oh my goodness. What does she look like naked? Right? But if everybody looks like that, it's gonna be commonplace. And I think we're gonna get to a place where every man's gonna look like the Hulk. It's just gonna be just giant dudes.

• 42:49Speaker 01

  Nerds will, for sure.

• 42:50Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. They're gonna be the first to sign up for that. All these fucking dudes that go to the coffee shop and sit there with their legs crossed like this.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  No working out.

• 42:59Joe Rogan?

  Which I can't even do. And they're fucking, their shoulders slumped. They're gonna look like The Rock, just fucking, "Rawr." They're all gonna be beasts.

• 43:09Speaker 01

  Dude, you know what's interesting about the like comic book, um, world? All the guys who like, they read comics and it's Thor. Right? He's got shoulders like you and biceps like you.

• 43:20Joe Rogan?

  Spider-Man, the Hulk.

• 43:22Speaker 01

  All these dudes that are just fantastic, fantastic heroes that can give us justice and beat your enemies.

• 43:29Joe Rogan?

  Batman.

• 43:29Speaker 01

  But then if they see you at the coffee shop, they go, "Look at this douchebag." You go, "What? I look like your comic books." Like if Joe Rogan walked in, they should be going, "Holy shit, how does he look like that? I wanna look like that."

• 43:40Joe Rogan?

  But isn't it also weird that it's like the feeblest men?

• 43:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:43Joe Rogan?

  That really love the super powerful men in these fantasies, but, but not real life.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  But they don't wanna just work out to look like them.

• 43:49Joe Rogan?

  They, because that's too hard, Jeff.

• 43:51Speaker 01

  But just do it. Be like your heroes.

• 43:53Speaker 04

  I go in there and they beg on me.

• 43:56Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. They look at me weird.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's part of it.

• 43:58Joe Rogan?

  It's so hard if you're like scrawny and you go to a gym for the first time. It's so disheartening.

• 44:03Speaker 01

  It's tough. So what?

• 44:04Joe Rogan?

  And there's all these girls with those fucking yoga pants on. You might as well be a pile of shit to them.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Well?

• 44:11Joe Rogan?

  There's all these big jack guys doing squats.

• 44:13Speaker 01

  That's motivation, baby.

• 44:15Speaker 05

  Can you spot me?

• 44:15Joe Rogan?

  You're a spy, you're a...

• 44:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is.

• 44:18Joe Rogan?

  And you're sitting there with your little fucking 10-pound dumbbells.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  My arms?

• 44:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it takes so long to get strong.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  Guys, like you were slamming weights. You guys love to slam weights.

• 44:29Joe Rogan?

  So long to get strong. It takes forever. So many reps. Oh, you gotta keep doing it or you shrink.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, you gotta come back tomorrow. They go, "Oh, I gotta do this again tomorrow."

• 44:39Joe Rogan?

  It's so hard that most people just wanna dismiss it.

• 44:42Speaker 01

  But it's fun.

• 44:43Joe Rogan?

  If you could do it in a pill, you would all, I always tell to anybody, can't, if I could give you a pill and that pill would give you more energy throughout the day, you could pick up anything, you can carry things around, you'd never have to worry about yourself physically.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:55Joe Rogan?

  You're, you're stronger than most people you meet. You know how to fight. Wouldn't, wouldn't you take that pill?

• 44:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can do that pill, stupid. It's called hard work.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  Absolutely.

• 45:02Joe Rogan?

  That's all it is.

• 45:03Speaker 01

  That's so true, yeah.

• 45:04Joe Rogan?

  That's all it is.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  And it'll change everything for you. It'll change everything for you.

• 45:07Joe Rogan?

  You know how it's boring to take all those vitamins? Take the vitamins, you fucking retard.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  But Joe.

• 45:12Joe Rogan?

  Open up the cabinet.

• 45:12Speaker 01

  Uh, we don't have, I've gotta work at Chipotle.

• 45:15Joe Rogan?

  You've got enough protein and enough fat. Your fucking car is a race car.

• 45:19Speaker 01

  But Joe, I don't have the free time. I have a family and I.

• 45:22Joe Rogan?

  Everybody has free time. You just choose to do it with other things. You choose to sit there with your fucking phone out.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 45:27Joe Rogan?

  Scrolling through Instagram and checking your likes and arguing with people on Twitter.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's how I feel like it. It's like you've got plenty of time to go to McDonald's. You got time to. David Goggins has that great quote where he's like, he says, this guy said to me, oh, the gym membership's too expensive. He goes, you got a motherfucking floor where you live?

• 45:46Speaker 01

  You got a ground? Where you're at? Then workout, motherfucker. And I love that kind of mentality of like, you could do, you could do a whole workout right there.

• 45:53Joe Rogan?

  All you need is a chin up bar. That's the only, and you don't even need that. You can get those things that hang on your door. You don't even have to get like a permanent.

• 46:00Speaker 01

  Pushups.

• 46:00Joe Rogan?

  They have good chin up bars now that like attach to your door frame and they're solid and they hold you in place. You screw them in. They're, they're legit and all you need is that and pushups, body weight squats, situps. There's a bunch of different yoga.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  There's rocks outside. You can pick up a rock, free rock.

• 46:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's not a cool kettlebell with a monkey hate on it, but you know, you could, rocks are heavy.

• 46:21Joe Rogan?

  Rocks are awkward.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Tree branch. I know seven thousand parks by my house that have a bar that you wouldn't have to buy on Amazon. You could just go hang from it. Yeah.

• 46:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those are always good. Monkey bars, those are great.

• 46:32Speaker 01

  That'll do it.

• 46:33Joe Rogan?

  That's the number one way kids break their fucking arms too.

• 46:35Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 46:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. My daughter broke her arm on a monkey bar. I broke my arm in a monkey bar.

• 46:39Speaker 01

  Really? At school? Like she broke it at school?

• 46:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, at school, yeah. At school and at that school, I was like, boy, that monkey bar is really high off the ground. These fucking kids are seven. Like this is crazy.

• 46:50Speaker 01

  I like that though.

• 46:50Joe Rogan?

  And she's a little reckless.

• 46:52Speaker 01

  Ninja warrior.

• 46:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, that's what it is. All these kids are just trying to have fun, but they don't understand their limitations yet. That's why it's dangerous to have them in a, an environment like that. Cause they've, you know, but that's how you learn. Like when we were kids, they had those domes.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:05Joe Rogan?

  Climb inside. Kids were always getting concussions.

• 47:08Speaker 01

  There's foots in it, but they fall this way.

• 47:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, their legs rip apart. Those fucking things.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  What's the dome one? We had a, we had an actual like circular one that was little triangles.

• 47:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we had one of those too, and there was, but there was one that was like, it was like a half a circle.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  Right, oh.

• 47:23Joe Rogan?

  It was like a dome with all these monkey bars inside of it and shit.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Oh, that's the one I had. Yeah, we had that. And like, there would always be like one bar missing sometimes, like on the thing. You'd be like, what happened here?

• 47:33Joe Rogan?

  Sharp edges and fucking screws sticking out of it.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:36Joe Rogan?

  But kids always bang their head. I banged my head a hundred times on those fucking things.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  It also forces creativity too, cause you're like, you know, there's no iPad there. There's no like, uh, video, there's no Candy Crush. So you had to be like, alright, this is our igloo that we're gonna protect.

• 47:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't know. I wonder if that's good. Everybody wants to like, look back to the days when everyone was bored. And say, and like romantically, yeah, you'd make your own fun. I'm like, huh, I think if I had a video game, it would've been way more fun.

• 48:02Speaker 01

  Well, we had both. I had the nineties, so we had both. Like, when I was a kid, we would play video games all night. But during the day, there was something fun about, uh, wrestling. You know, like the human part of, so we really were making up things with guns and just like shooting each other.

• 48:19Joe Rogan?

  Say the best of both worlds.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, we kinda both.

• 48:21Joe Rogan?

  But that was before online media or online.

• 48:22Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, we weren't online playing video games either. It was just me versus my buddy.

• 48:26Joe Rogan?

  I think the social media thing is the craziest part of it. I think kids are just, first of all, they're weirdly connected. Cause they all get on Snapchat and then they have a Snap map, so they know where all their friends are at any given time.

• 48:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:38Joe Rogan?

  And, and so they're, they're constantly like paying attention to that and finding each other and they go in groups and they go to this party and oh, they're, they're at this party, let's go to that party. They see them on the maps.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  They're adults. You just described adults. Those aren't even kids anymore.

• 48:52Joe Rogan?

  They're little kids that are like traveling around with their friends with phones and they only talk through text messages.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's adults.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but it's fucking weird.

• 49:02Speaker 01

  It sucks.

• 49:02Joe Rogan?

  A weird new life. They still do like, kids today, they still do physical things. They just still do sports, you know, but when we were kids, the thing about Not having any other influences, especially like social media influences. You didn't really aspire to be exactly like other people. You know, it's like there was there was groups of people that, you know, you gravitated towards being a jock. You gravitated towards being an artist. But you didn't try to like completely copy whatever trend is going on. Nowadays, kids are, they leave their fucking stupid label on their their Nikes. Like, what is that?

• 49:45Joe Rogan?

  What is that? Where it's supposed to be cool to keep your fucking label on your Nike?

• 49:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, the tag is like, look, it's a limited edition. It's like, it's not.

• 49:52Joe Rogan?

  I made David Lucas cut it off.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  I pulled a knife out. I go, cut that off. I go, what are you, a sheep? Are you a little sheep? You got a fucking tag on your Nikes?

• 50:02Speaker 01

  And he did, he cut it off.

• 50:02Joe Rogan?

  You're right. I go, I'm right.

• 50:04Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 50:04Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah, I'm right. Who cares if everyone knows their white label or whatever it is? What is it called?

• 50:10Speaker 01

  It's called an Off-White.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, whatever.

• 50:11Speaker 01

  It means that it has that red tag on it, yeah. Stupid.

• 50:14Joe Rogan?

  Fucking knife out and cut it off. Cut it off right in the green room.

• 50:17Speaker 01

  That's a daddy moment for him.

• 50:18Joe Rogan?

  I give him a knife.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  You give, you said, hey, I'm dad here. You need to...

• 50:21Joe Rogan?

  This is nonsense. You are not doing this.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 50:25Joe Rogan?

  You're not gonna have a propeller on your hat.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  Keep a sticker on your, on the thing?

• 50:31Joe Rogan?

  Take that propeller off your fucking hat.

• 50:33Speaker 01

  Grow up.

• 50:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you don't have to have that label. When I was a kid, dudes would have labels on their hats.

• 50:38Speaker 01

  I hate that.

• 50:38Joe Rogan?

  They'd buy new hats and they'd leave the tag.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Or the sticker on the bill is one of my biggest pet peeves.

• 50:43Joe Rogan?

  The sticker on the bill is stupid. Take that sticker off.

• 50:46Speaker 01

  Take the sticker off.

• 50:46Joe Rogan?

  Why do you have that shiny stupid sticker?

• 50:48Speaker 01

  Makes no sense to me.

• 50:49Joe Rogan?

  That's dumb.

• 50:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, uh, I think that, one thing that I do look backwards and, and, and think about, and this is a mushroom thought for sure. This came to me, you know, whereas like I would say, my mom would go, why do you need these expensive shoes for school? And I didn't have the intelligence at the time to explain it to her now, but now I look back and I go, I wish I would've said, "Mom, my whole social structure is based on this." Because I don't have the internet, which would later come out. I don't have these things. When, at least in the nineties and the, and the late eighties when I was growing up. Amber Schumaker was the hottest girl at our school. Which meant Amber Schumaker's the hottest woman in our universe. I didn't go online and go, well, Amber's not, I didn't have anyone else. That's the hottest girl.

• 51:34Speaker 01

  Do you know what I'm saying? The coolest guy in our school, Anthony Medina, was the coolest guy in the world, because that's our world.

• 51:39Joe Rogan?

  Right, right.

• 51:39Speaker 01

  Whereas kids now could go, who gives a shit about Anthony Medina? I'm following LeBron and I'm following, so like, we had our own little realities. You know, so it's like, I didn't give a shit about the, uh, the Bulls necessarily, but if Mike Jensen from my school said the Bulls are cool. I liked the Bulls. I didn't have anywhere to escape to. I need to do what I can, and I think even before me was probably even better than that. I think like when cowboys roamed the earth, that might have been number one.

• 52:06Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no.

• 52:07Speaker 01

  You don't think so? Because here's why, he- hear me out. That cow, let's say we're cowboys, we're on the ridge line. Yeah, and we, it's, sun's going down, yeah, sun's going down.

• 52:18Joe Rogan?

  Kind with a house, or they're kind?

• 52:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, no, but we're, we have a house, but we're now on the ridge line with our horses.

• 52:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, we're on the road.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Few days.

• 52:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, on the trail.

• 52:26Speaker 01

  And say, hey buddy, let's, uh, sun's going down, let's make a fire.

• 52:28Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 52:29Speaker 01

  All right, but we gotta brush the horses, we gotta do our shit. We're eating our can, we see all these twinkling lights out there and we go, we got a picture of our lady in our wallet, like, oh man, I can't wait to get home to her, you know, say some dirty things about her. And then I, uh, would eat my beans, and then I'd say, I wonder what everyone's doing out there. I would just wonder.

• 52:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that is a really cute version of what it meant like to be a cowboy. Here's what it really was like. You would stay up and I would sleep because we don't want anybody raping and killing us in the middle of the night. Because the Indians have been following us for miles and we don't know they've been following us. And we're too stupid.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  That would be reversed, by the way, you'd stay up and I'd.

• 53:05Joe Rogan?

  Too stupid to cold camp, okay, so we started a fire, which makes you really easy to spot. And they just wait until that fire starts getting dim and they hear snoring, and they come in and they cut you up and they fuck you and they do whatever they want.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  No, you're supposed to stay awake and slaughter them.

• 53:21Joe Rogan?

  We, it's only two of us, there was like seven or eight of them, and, you know, back in the musket days.

• 53:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:26Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of reloading time.

• 53:29Speaker 01

  I get one of them, yeah.

• 53:31Joe Rogan?

  That's why the Comanches dominated this area because they were using single shotguns.

• 53:37Speaker 01

  But yeah, that's racist. They were just sitting here peacefully.

• 53:40Joe Rogan?

  The Comanches, they were not. The Comanches had multiple arrows on their fingers. So they'd keep like four or five arrows. And they would shoot one and then shoot another one, then shoot another one. They were just fucking these dudes up.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  I bet it.

• 53:53Joe Rogan?

  The only thing that saved this entire state, the only reason why people were able to conquer was the Colt pistol.

• 53:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 53:58Joe Rogan?

  When they figured out how to make a pistol with like a chamber, it was Colt, right? Wasn't it? I think it was Colt. So they, they developed, the, the, the, believe this or not, at the time, the military didn't want.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Really?

• 54:10Joe Rogan?

  They're like, what are we doing with these six shots? We got one shot. Good enough. Yeah. The guy couldn't sell them.

• 54:15Speaker 01

  That's ridiculous.

• 54:15Joe Rogan?

  He sold them to the Texas Rangers.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Oh, that's amazing.

• 54:18Joe Rogan?

  Jack Smith, that guy who's out in the hallway that photographed, that's why he's there. That's, that's the original Texas Ranger.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  Why wouldn't they want more bullets quicker, accessibly? Like that's.

• 54:27Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's the government. They're always, they've always been retarded. They were even retarded in the 1800s. So this was a, a novel invention. This guy figured out a revolver. And it was like, you had to take the cylinder out, put a new cylinder in. But every time he did it, he got five or six? Was it six shots or five? But so it was the first time ever you could fire multiple times. They just started fucking up these Indians.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was protection. Yeah, for sure. That's great.

• 54:48Joe Rogan?

  But it's these guys that like, they dressed like Indians. They fucking infiltrated. They cold camped. They would go deep, deep, deep into like uncharted territories.

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Those were probably just bad guys pretending to be Indians to make the Indians look bad.

• 55:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no, no, no. They, they were bad guys. But they were bad guys to go after the Indians. They were bad guys.

• 55:07Speaker 01

  No, but what I'm saying.

• 55:08Joe Rogan?

  So were the fucking Indians. They were bad to each other.

• 55:12Speaker 01

  Exactly. They were also, that's why I always get so mad about the debate about like, well, you came here, like white people came here and did bad. It's like, dude, you think that they weren't all fighting for land here?

• 55:20Joe Rogan?

  They weren't just fighting. They, they didn't ever, ever, ever surrender.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was lots of tribes.

• 55:27Joe Rogan?

  If they got, if they surrendered, they were tortured and murdered. Like the Comanches used to chop dudes' arms off and legs off. And then throw them while they're still alive on a roaring fire and watch them squirm around. They, it was fun. They were having a good time.

• 55:41Speaker 01

  I meant mentally earlier for my early analogy of the cute cowboy stuff.

• 55:44Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  No, no, what I'm saying is that mentally, we didn't compare.

• 55:48Joe Rogan?

  It was dangerous, dude.

• 55:49Speaker 01

  I know, I believe, I hear you.

• 55:51Joe Rogan?

  All that home on the range shit is straight up horse shit.

• 55:53Speaker 01

  What I mean is, they didn't compare.

• 55:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, because they were, they were, you hear that sound?

• 55:58Speaker 01

  You had too many real things.

• 55:59Joe Rogan?

  Someone's raping an Indian lady.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:01Joe Rogan?

  You hear that? You fucking, you hear gunshots and children screaming.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Oh, so what that Jeff dies with me, so what that he's funny, he's no Dave Chappelle. You, you, you didn't compare.

• 56:16Joe Rogan?

  But they did, like Billy the Kid. Like, people became famous, they became infamous, these people that everybody wanted to be like Billy the Kid.

• 56:23Speaker 01

  Well, that was one guy that we tried to be like. Right now, I'd go, big deal, Billy the Kid, there's a guy in Japan that can shoot seventy, like, the phone makes you have seven million. You don't even appreciate your wife learning guitar, because you go, she's no Bob Dylan, you know, who gives a shit? So, that's what I was trying to say.

• 56:39Joe Rogan?

  Really shitty husband. That's, that guy's a.

• 56:41Speaker 01

  That guy's mean, but he's thinking that.

• 56:42Joe Rogan?

  Clap, bitch. What the fuck, she just started.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  No, they give her a break, dude.

• 56:47Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:48Speaker 01

  But I meant mentally, we didn't compare.

• 56:50Joe Rogan?

  I think we are not designed for it, but I think kids will be. I think the human mind is going to adapt to technology and interacting with each other. And I think socially, people are adapting to interacting with each other. You know, like, the way kids, like, go after each other online, like, they're adapted to it. They're, it's normalized to them. Just like, you know, if you live in a war-torn part of the world, seeing dead people, it normalizes to you. And I think kids are normalizing to electronics. And people want to resist that, and they want to say, I don't let my kids use electronics, I'm like, it's part of the world, I use it, it's a part of the world, does it, it's not a barrier to being a good person. It's not a barrier to living a happy, healthy life.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:32Joe Rogan?

  Just like alcohol's not a barrier, for, for some people, it is.

• 57:35Speaker 01

  Right.

• 57:35Joe Rogan?

  Some people have a real fucking problem with social media, and you see it, a lot of comics, especially the unsuccessful ones, when they, they start falling apart when they get older, it just exacerbates their mental illness. And then, it becomes all politics.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:49Joe Rogan?

  These guys used to talk about farts and getting their dick sucked, now it's all politics. And it's all like, life hangs on every decision.

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:58Joe Rogan?

  And we're doomed if this takes place, doomed.

• 58:01Speaker 01

  You know what a comedian dude does that is Kathy Griffin? That guy doesn't lie. Oh, you know what I mean?

• 58:08Joe Rogan?

  You just misgendered.

• 58:10Speaker 01

  That guy's unhinged. You go on there, it's all day, just some doom and gloom.

• 58:15Joe Rogan?

  What do you think, do you think that that's because like, that's how they find meaning in an otherwise meaningless existence? Like, what is it about people where their entire life becomes completely wrapped around politics? To the point where they're tweeting about it literally all day long? And saying these things that they think are profound about all kinds of different issues?

• 58:36Speaker 01

  I think it's gotta be some sort of virtue signaling. Like, it's their way to go, "Look at how good I am."

• 58:41Joe Rogan?

  It's also a way to show that you're relevant. You know, you're talking about the things that people care about right now, and you're chiming in and saying the things that need to be said. You're being heard.

• 58:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's a lot of like weird, there's a lot of just, they want attention. There's a narcissism to a lot of it. But then there's also people that are capable of going online and having interesting discussions with people they don't know. And if you can manage that, you can actually get a lot out of like Twitter and X and all these different ways.

• 59:10Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 59:10Joe Rogan?

  You can get a lot out of it. You can get a lot, but it's so hard to do.

• 59:14Speaker 01

  I know.

• 59:15Joe Rogan?

  Because it's like so, it's such an, it's like you're deciphering smoke signals. It's like, the person's not even in front of you. You know, like, you're getting these weird interactions with people. There's a lot of like, like, what does this guy mean by that? Is he being shitty? Is he just being honest? Like, what is this?

• 59:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's very tough to translate their...

• 59:34Joe Rogan?

  It's a sucky way to communicate.

• 59:35Speaker 01

  What are they doing? Like, what is, were they trying to be funny right there? Yeah, were they trying, yeah, it's very tricky.

• 59:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, I'm very lucky and then I get to talk to so many interesting people. So I don't need to have as many interesting conversations online with people.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and also you're a comedian. My favorite thing about being a comedian is I get heard a lot.

• 59:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  We get to be heard. Even when I'm wrong, I get to be heard. So like...

• 59:56Joe Rogan?

  You can be wrong and still funny.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's the beauty of it.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  That was Patrice's whole act.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent. I'm often sometimes wrong and it's just so funny. They go, "Oh yeah, like, I like this guy."

• 1:00:05Joe Rogan?

  If it's funny, and also there's part of being wrong on purpose. Like, I say things that I know is wrong on purpose because it's funny. It's funny to say.

• 1:00:13Speaker 01

  You're going for the laugh first.

• 1:00:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm just trying to be silly. I'm trying to be silly. That's what I like. That's the kind of... of comedy I like.

• 1:00:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:00:20Joe Rogan?

  So I'm gonna do that and you can like it or you don't like it.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:00:23Joe Rogan?

  What infuriates me is when people try to take jokes or talking shit and just conflate it. And pretend that it's a statement.

• 1:00:33Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Like you.

• 1:00:34Speaker 01

  It drives me crazy.

• 1:00:35Joe Rogan?

  Have any friends.

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:00:37Joe Rogan?

  Do you not have any friends?

• 1:00:38Speaker 01

  You don't joke? Yeah, exactly. You wonder why all these comics wanna go to the right? It's cuz freedom of speech is a pretty big deal to us.

• 1:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  It naturally, it's a pretty big deal that we can say whatever we want. Cuz here's the thing, racism is bad.

• 1:00:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:50Speaker 01

  But it is kind of funny sometimes.

• 1:00:52Joe Rogan?

  It's it's very funny.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  Sexism is bad, but it's pretty funny sometimes.

• 1:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:57Joe Rogan?

  If it's well made.

• 1:00:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's funny. If it's funny enough.

• 1:01:00Joe Rogan?

  A good meme, a solid meme.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Great. Love it. Yeah, exactly.

• 1:01:03Joe Rogan?

  Things are funny.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  And people go, well, that's racist. You go, well, and it's racial and it's funny. But don't just assume that it's this blanketly bad thing. Yeah, it's such a silly.

• 1:01:12Joe Rogan?

  Like, it's funny no matter who gets it.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:15Joe Rogan?

  It's funny if white guys get it. It's funny if white women get it.

• 1:01:18Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:01:18Joe Rogan?

  It's funny if Indian guys get it.

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:20Joe Rogan?

  Things are funny when people get it. When they get them jokes, it's funny.

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  And they don't care about the racial stuff when it's when it's like a comic of any other race doing it.

• 1:01:29Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  You're like, if you're gonna use that same measuring stick, go to the Laugh Factory, you could cancel all 12 comedians that are on stage. Making easy racial remarks, but they're like, but he's Persian. I know, but it's still a racial remark, you know?

• 1:01:40Joe Rogan?

  Especially if you're cracking on white people. You could crack on white people as hard as you want right now. It's great.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Which is so vague too. I don't know if this is a smart idea or not, but it's something I always think is like, it's so vague. These shitty comics like Hari Kandabulu are like, white people, white people. What white people?

• 1:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Which ones?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  French, Canadian, do Jews count? Croatian? What a great lump you've done. All white? You know how many countries that covers? And then you go, well, that's why we're saying it cuz we don't mean a specific country. We're talking about a. But then, so then that's racist. You go, well, white's not a race. It's just a, it's a color of the. Well, then how come black is? Is is a race? Because black would be Haiti. It would be tons of parts of Africa. You know, so. I guess my point is like then then it's not racist when I say black if it's not racist when you say white cuz you're over glomming the big thing.

• 1:02:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's ridiculous. Also, how much do white people vary?

• 1:02:37Speaker 01

  There's so many white people.

• 1:02:39Joe Rogan?

  They vary so much.

• 1:02:40Speaker 01

  It's so vague.

• 1:02:41Joe Rogan?

  To just say white men like.

• 1:02:42Speaker 01

  Oh, you must be rich cuz you're white. You're like, do you know any poor white people there are?

• 1:02:46Joe Rogan?

  Go to Kentucky.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Most of them are poor.

• 1:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, go to where the fucking coal mines are. Those coal mining communities where people have just been popping pills since the eighties.

• 1:02:55Speaker 01

  Meth?

• 1:02:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:56Speaker 01

  Never heard of white trash? Like, we dominate the poor community.

• 1:02:59Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen the wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia?

• 1:03:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, dude, Jessica White.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  Fucking amazing. Didn't Johnny Knoxville produce that?

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  I that's how I saw it was I don't know if Johnny Knoxville, but uh Jack Hole Productions or whatever it was, yeah.

• 1:03:13Joe Rogan?

  Knoxville made that. It's fucking incredible.

• 1:03:15Speaker 01

  Amazing.

• 1:03:16Joe Rogan?

  But that's white people too.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:19Joe Rogan?

  Okay, these poor white people are they're just a victims of their environment, man.

• 1:03:24Speaker 01

  They're teaching college kids that like if you're a straight white guy, they just hand you suitcases full of money and that you have no troubles. And the cops don't target you. It's like cops.

• 1:03:33Joe Rogan?

  Did you see what Trump said today? I'll I'll send this to you, Jamie, cuz this is wild. This is a wild move. I'll send this to you, Jamie. It is what he said about uh colleges.

• 1:03:43Speaker 01

  Oh, I love it.

• 1:03:44Joe Rogan?

  And DEI endowments.

• 1:03:46Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 1:03:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I'll send this to you, Jamie. He's doing so much crazy shit because he only has one term. You know, like all the different things that he said so far about completely banning all uh of these uh gender transition clinics for kids. Hormone therapies for kids. Uh puberty blockers for kids, like stop that and you know and he even called them out for that expression, gender affirming care. That's a crazy. Like a literal dystopian euphemism.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:04:22Joe Rogan?

  For what you're doing.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  And he said Marxists multiple times.

• 1:04:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:25Speaker 01

  And people are gonna go, "They're not Marxists." Do you know BLM self-proclaimed themselves as Marxists?

• 1:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:31Speaker 01

  So you can find hundreds of times where they say, "We are Marxists."

• 1:04:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Speaker 01

  So before anybody comments, "Well, they're not really..." They've called themselves Marxists.

• 1:04:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:04:41Joe Rogan?

  I think a lot of people like blanketly support that just because it seems like a smart idea. Yeah, Black Lives Matter, of course they do. Yeah, there's cops that have killed people, we've seen it. Okay, yeah, it's definitely good to support that.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:04:53Joe Rogan?

  But then you find out all the other stuff behind it. And then you find out that the people that were running it were fucking buying real estate.

• 1:04:59Speaker 01

  Do a little homework. Buy millions of dollars in houses. They gave all your money to trans people, they didn't help the black community at all.

• 1:05:03Joe Rogan?

  Is not only gonna tax but confiscate endowments of every university that the Department of Justice finds has engaged in illegal discrimination under the guise of equity, which is basically every university in the country, but is especially true with the Ivy League, which is, if this happens, will die. Uh, they will crush, uh, oh, okay. But this is, oh, this, you know who suffers the most from this discrimination, from discrimination? Is Asian people. Do you know why? Because Asian people score so high and they work so hard. They make it more difficult for them to get it. They have to have higher grades and they have to have a higher score. They like, they score them based on like social interactions.

• 1:05:44Speaker 01

  Which is crazy.

• 1:05:45Joe Rogan?

  With, if you're studying 18 hours a day, like a lot of these Asian guys do.

• 1:05:48Speaker 01

  I'm gonna win.

• 1:05:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, it's their culture. Their culture is this like nose to the grindstone.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  Discipline.

• 1:05:54Joe Rogan?

  Hard work, discipline culture. I had a buddy of mine.

• 1:05:56Speaker 01

  And no one in America is mad at them for succeeding. We encourage it. It's good.

• 1:06:00Joe Rogan?

  I had a buddy of mine that was a national Taekwondo champion while he was going through his medical residency. He was Korean and his, no matter what he did, this guy won the nationals. He was the national Taekwondo champion. And he wasn't like talented either. It wasn't like he was like.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Hard work.

• 1:06:17Joe Rogan?

  It was 100% hard work.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:20Joe Rogan?

  And this fucking guy like would work all day long at school and then put his books in his backpack and walk up. Stairs to get a workout in.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  He would just do flights of stairs over and over again while he was at school because he had to do something and then go back to school. One of the fucking nationals like that.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  And that's beautiful.

• 1:06:37Joe Rogan?

  It's this kind of crazy work ethic that some Asian households instill in their children.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  And it's tough to compete with them. So what they've done is they've, you know, there's been lawsuits about it. I believe Harvard was sued, right? Was Harvard sued that they were discriminating against Asian Americans? So they have like ways that what they're saying is with the, what they were complaining was that there's ways that they have that like accentuate certain attributes like that lets you get in like think social things that you do, different things you do. They give you extra points. They felt like was designed just to keep less Asian people in.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  Crazy.

• 1:07:16Joe Rogan?

  To push some of them out because so many of them were getting in there and dominating.

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:20Joe Rogan?

  Dominating the fucking.

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, but that's great.

• 1:07:23Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Well, listen, man, if you come from.

• 1:07:24Speaker 01

  The best of the best.

• 1:07:25Joe Rogan?

  How a hardworking household and you, you develop that work ethic, you can, you might not be happy. That's part of the problem.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I like that they complain about their tiger moms and you're like, dude, they made you successful.

• 1:07:36Joe Rogan?

  Right. You gotta figure out how to be happy.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  Right. That's up for you to do.

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  This is it. The lawsuit, a threat to, what happened? An organization created by anti-race conscious admissions activist Edward Blum citing itself students for fair admissions sued Harvard alleging that the university discriminates against Asian Americans. And seeking to prevent Harvard College and other colleges and universities from using a a wide ranging and thorough admissions process that considers the whole person.

• 1:08:04Speaker 01

  Love that.

• 1:08:05Joe Rogan?

  Hmm. Interesting. So this, this, that's interesting though, because on paper, that sounds like a good thing. A wide ranging and thorough admissions process that considers the whole person. Like if you wanna educate a child, right? You want a kid to go from being a young teenager to being an adult and you're educating them. There is a social aspect to it, right? Like you don't want to develop like complete sociopaths that just go to work, but. You can't also, you can't like, stop that option. Like, there's, people want a quality of outcome, that's a very important point. But there's not a quality of effort. There just isn't. And in the mad dog race of life, you're occasionally gonna get a Michael Jordan.

• 1:08:49Joe Rogan?

  You're gonna get a guy who works harder than everybody, and he's gifted, and he's gonna exceed. He's gonna pass you all, and there's nothing you can do about it. Nothing you do about Mike Tyson when he's 22 years old. Get the fuck out of the way. Pick up tennis. He's gonna kill you. He's gonna kill you.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  You wanna be number two, maybe?

• 1:09:05Joe Rogan?

  If you wanna be number two, you're eventually gonna get to have to fight number one, and that's not gonna be a lot of fun.

• 1:09:11Speaker 01

  It's gonna be hard.

• 1:09:11Joe Rogan?

  The world's not fair.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:13Joe Rogan?

  Right? And that guy, when you saw the way he trained when he was a young man, he trained like a person possessed.

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:09:20Joe Rogan?

  He lived, he watched film all day.

• 1:09:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:22Joe Rogan?

  He was obsessed with fighting.

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  That's all he had.

• 1:09:24Joe Rogan?

  And talented and gifted. So if you have those things all together, the world is not fair.

• 1:09:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:30Joe Rogan?

  And you can't make it fair with laws, and you can't make it fair with rules, and it doesn't make you any better to suppress someone in some sort of a way by diminishing their success. And that includes someone who's a fucking complete psychopath, who studies 18 hours a day, and dominates, and starts a business when they're 19, and becomes a billionaire by the time they're 26, and then all of a sudden, you know, buys Twitter from Elon Musk. You can't stop that.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Ask one of these crazy people who doesn't understand these kind of things, or has never even thought of it.

• 1:09:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  Say, "Oh, you know, I notice you're watching the WNBA game. Do you think it's unfair that Brittany Griner makes more than her teammates?" And they'll go, "No, she's the best." Right!

• 1:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:09Speaker 01

  Right!

• 1:10:10Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing.

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  Just like anyone else that's the best, makes more money. How can you, how can you understand that Brittany Griner makes more than her teammates? But you can't understand that the NBA generates more money and is better, makes more than the WNBA.

• 1:10:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  How can you brain?

• 1:10:27Joe Rogan?

  Well, what people get scared of is the amount of control and power that you have with that kind of money. And then some people wanna make decisions for all of us. Like Bill Gates. Like, one of the wackiest ones, he's talking about like, blocking the sun, putting particles in the sky to block the sun to cool the earth, like, "Hey, fuckhead, there's a whole lot of people on earth, you don't get to say for all of us, you don't get to talk for all of us just 'cause you have 100 billion dollars, that's crazy talk."

• 1:10:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:52Joe Rogan?

  That's what people are scared of. What people are scared of is that when you really do have ultimate money and ultimate power... With most people, there's this desire to control people. It's part of the gig. And some of them, when they decide they don't want to go into politics, they start like influencing things behind the scenes.

• 1:11:09Speaker 01

  Lobby.

• 1:11:09Joe Rogan?

  They start donating, they have funds. They have a giant fund and their fund donates to all these different organizations. And in Bill Gates's case, it prevented them from criticizing him. Cause the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, they donate all this money to these media corporations and all these companies. Look at all the money we've given you to help global health and whatever the fuck it is. But what it really does is it buys off people from criticizing you.

• 1:11:33Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:11:34Joe Rogan?

  And then you start doing wild shit like telling everybody that you should eat plant-based food.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Fucking buying all the farmland.

• 1:11:39Speaker 01

  Whatever they want you to do, yeah.

• 1:11:40Joe Rogan?

  You start controlling people. It's like people like to pull strings on people. The George Soros's of the world.

• 1:11:46Speaker 01

  It scares me so much.

• 1:11:47Joe Rogan?

  Get DAs elected and then put an even more progressive DA to go in after him and see if he can fuck with things. By letting people out of jail and defunding the cops and it's like they're playing these weird monopoly games with the whole world.

• 1:12:01Speaker 01

  You know where you saw it, like a great example was when Barack Obama got into office, Michelle Obama's whole thing was like nutrition. Like that was what she was gonna like really like work on. And dude, it was almost like after two weeks, someone brought her in the back. It's like, listen bitch. Yeah, we hear what you're saying about the food industry. I don't know if you know how much bread we're putting in your husband's pockets. And then she immediately was like, maybe fitness. Maybe your kids could run around 10 minutes a day. How about that? Is that better?

• 1:12:26Joe Rogan?

  She gave up the food stuff?

• 1:12:27Speaker 01

  Gave up the food stuff. It just was immediately.

• 1:12:29Joe Rogan?

  What was that, Jamie?

• 1:12:32Joe Rogan?

  Is that the same thing?

• 1:12:33Speaker 03

  No, I just, I didn't have it muted. It wasn't supposed to be.

• 1:12:34Joe Rogan?

  Oh, sorry.

• 1:12:35Speaker 01

  But then it was like all of the, all of it, all the focus went towards, hey, just 10 minutes a day, have your kids go outside and play. It was all the food stuff gone.

• 1:12:43Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:12:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, and you, and you realize, oh, there are other things. You know, there's like all these other things that are at play.

• 1:12:50Joe Rogan?

  It's not just other things, it's. Billions and billions of dollars. When you're that far ahead of the game, you know, if you're playing a game and you cannot, you cannot beat the game. There's no way to beat it. You're on level one. There's a million levels. The people that have been playing it that you're playing against, they've been playing for thirty years. They have all the armor.

• 1:13:11Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:13:11Joe Rogan?

  They got all the magic spells. You're not gonna win that game. And that is what people are really scared about with people who have a lot of money. Is that they don't just have a boat. They don't just have a house. But then they start influencing what people can and can't do. Then they start funding studies to talk about particular types of energy. Because they've got an enormous amount of money invested in this green renewable energy. Or whatever it is. But what it really is, is money. They're not ever doing anything for you. Ever. Whether it's climate change, or whatever the, whether it's energy, it's always money. And they'll flavor it.

• 1:13:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:13:47Joe Rogan?

  With, it's for you. It's for us. We have to worry about the environment. We have to worry. Didn't Al Gore become the first guy to make a billion dollars off of climate change?

• 1:13:58Speaker 01

  Um, I know he's definitely the face of it for a long time.

• 1:14:01Joe Rogan?

  I, I read that, that Al Gore, it could be bullshit. But I read that, that Al Gore was the first climate change billionaire. And that, and the things that he'd invested in that movie that he put out that scared the fuck out of me.

• 1:14:13Speaker 01

  We're all like, we gotta do something. Yeah, I saw that.

• 1:14:15Joe Rogan?

  Not a single thing. Not a single thing was accurate, not even close. Not even close.

• 1:14:23Speaker 01

  Might as well have been made by Michael Moore.

• 1:14:24Joe Rogan?

  Michael Moore is more accurate. He was, at least back in the day. You watch Roger and Me. Michael Moore in the early days made some great films.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  Well, like, I think a lot of it was just bull crap.

• 1:14:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, not the first one. Not Roger and Me.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  Remember when he like, he did a scene where like, these kids go into a bank and they buy a gun over the counter from the bank. And I was like, yeah, it was, uh, of his gun one, Bowling for Columbine or whatever. And I remember seeing that scene as like, I worked at Hollywood Video at the time and I was like, this is terrifying. We gotta get rid of these guns. And then I looked into it years later when the internet kind of grew and I was like, oh, it's all total bullshit. It was like a made up scene.

• 1:14:58Joe Rogan?

  Made up a scene?

• 1:14:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, which, that's why we weren't even allowed at Hollywood Video to keep Michael. More's movies in the documentary section. We weren't even allowed to keep it in that section.

• 1:15:05Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:15:06Speaker 01

  Cause it's not counted as a documentary.

• 1:15:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, see, it didn't used to be like that. I kinda, I gotta be honest. I don't think I watched Bowling for Columbine. I might have. It was so long ago. But I do remember Roger and me being very impactful because it was about the auto industry moving out of Flint, Michigan.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:20Joe Rogan?

  And about how the town collapsed.

• 1:15:22Speaker 01

  Happened in Pittsburgh. I was just in Pittsburgh and you see all these abandoned warehouses where Americans used to work.

• 1:15:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  And you go, oh, wasn't it better with Chinese slaves making you $300 sneakers? Like, no, it's not better.

• 1:15:32Joe Rogan?

  It's not better at all.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  It's not better for anybody.

• 1:15:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It's crazy what they did and they just did it for money. They did it for money. They shipped over things overseas because they can get people to work for nothing, which is so crazy.

• 1:15:43Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:15:44Joe Rogan?

  That you, you can't do it here, but you do it there.

• 1:15:47Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 1:15:47Joe Rogan?

  I was talking to this person who ran a plant in Mexico. We were, we were getting a little tipsy and I didn't like.

• 1:15:54Speaker 01

  What he was saying?

• 1:15:54Joe Rogan?

  Justifying this, this procedure of doing that. And they were trying to tell me that these people would starve to death. If it wasn't for that plant. I go, those people have been there for thousands of years.

• 1:16:06Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:07Joe Rogan?

  I go, and you know why they don't have any money? Probably because we bribed their government.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:12Joe Rogan?

  We gave them loans they couldn't pay off and then we took all their resources and then we moved plants over there.

• 1:16:18Speaker 01

  And the, the pollution of the plants is like just insane too. Like they live in fog filled cities.

• 1:16:24Joe Rogan?

  We can go back to the entire areas run by the cartel because we have drugs illegal in this country unless they're prescribed.

• 1:16:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:31Joe Rogan?

  And then you have this hacker family that makes billions of dollars. Like, what about all this?

• 1:16:34Speaker 01

  Nobody's worried about that slavery. Everyone wants to talk about slavery that we abolished in this country.

• 1:16:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:16:40Speaker 01

  Everyone wants to talk about that slavery.

• 1:16:41Joe Rogan?

  But not a slave that made your phone.

• 1:16:43Speaker 01

  Current slavery that made this.

• 1:16:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  Or my shoes or, or all the things you wear. Or how about the sex trafficking? How about the women that are slaves right now?

• 1:16:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, how about the amount of them that have probably been smuggled across the border? We, we don't even know what those numbers are.

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  If I put together enough money, right? I'm not super rich, but I've got some money. If I put together, like my life mission was to fix that, they'd just kill me in a month.

• 1:17:08Joe Rogan?

  They'd go, hey.

• 1:17:09Speaker 01

  You have no chance. What are you doing, dude? Tell jokes and talk about baseball. Why, why are you trying to help in something that matters?

• 1:17:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, imagine trying to shut down the cartel.

• 1:17:17Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:17:17Joe Rogan?

  And you live in a normal house.

• 1:17:19Speaker 01

  I'd make it a week. We wouldn't let you go, what happened to Jeff?

• 1:17:22Joe Rogan?

  That's a billion dollar a month business.

• 1:17:24Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 1:17:25Joe Rogan?

  The fuck are you talking about? They're not gonna let you get away with that.

• 1:17:27Speaker 01

  No way, dude.

• 1:17:28Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna kill you. They kill everybody. Why wouldn't they kill you? So you've got all these problems and, and then, you know, shipping things, shipping these factories to these other places. It doesn't keep people from starving to death.

• 1:17:39Speaker 01

  Mm-mm.

• 1:17:39Joe Rogan?

  It's just, we were doing an unethical thing. Like, you can't do it on this patch of dirt, but if you just move it to that patch of dirt, now you can do unethical things.

• 1:17:46Speaker 01

  Now it's fine.

• 1:17:47Joe Rogan?

  This is crazy.

• 1:17:48Speaker 01

  What is this, a casino cruise ship?

• 1:17:50Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, like, now that we know, so they did that back then when there was no internet. You know, you sneak it across the board, nobody, "I'm still buying, look, my car is five dollars cheaper."

• 1:17:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:17:59Joe Rogan?

  And you don't care.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:00Joe Rogan?

  And so everybody, you hear some stories about Michigan, if you don't live there, hey, whatever. I'm over here in LA.

• 1:18:05Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:05Joe Rogan?

  I don't give a fuck.

• 1:18:06Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 1:18:06Joe Rogan?

  I got a nice car. But your car's made in Mexico. And it's like,

• 1:18:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:10Joe Rogan?

  We, we don't even realize, like, what the impact that was, but now that we have the internet, now you can see it. And we still do it.

• 1:18:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  Like, we, it's like it's grandfathered in that you buy your phone from a company that uses slaves.

• 1:18:23Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:18:23Joe Rogan?

  And, and the factories literally have nets around them to keep people from jumping off, and we're like, okay.

• 1:18:27Speaker 01

  And also, I'm not pretending I'm better than anyone else, right? Like, I, I promise that, but I don't yammer on on my social media about slavery all day.

• 1:18:35Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  I'm aware that I'm in this system or this network. It's just so hypocritical when I hear, like, LeBron talk about slavery that happened in our country over a hundred years ago, while he's dripping in Nike. Do you, how dumb can you be to pretend to care about slavery while you're making, oh, what, a billion or something? From, from Nike over the-

• 1:18:58Joe Rogan?

  Don't you think that if you're a person that is in mainstream world acceptance, whether a sports star or, you know, any kind of media personality, there's like certain things you feel obligated to call out and to talk about.

• 1:19:14Speaker 01

  I would think so. I only know how I would behave, and I like, I just think there's honest money and then there's dishonest money. And I've never had the stomach for it.

• 1:19:21Joe Rogan?

  You mean like the money they paid the people to endorse Kamala Harris?

• 1:19:23Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that's what we're talking about. Dishonest money right there.

• 1:19:26Joe Rogan?

  That's so wild!

• 1:19:27Speaker 01

  Cardi B, Beyonce.

• 1:19:28Joe Rogan?

  Did you know that was even legal?

• 1:19:30Speaker 01

  Fools.

• 1:19:31Joe Rogan?

  Did you know that was even legal?

• 1:19:32Speaker 01

  I, it shouldn't be legal. The Vogue, the, uh, the View keeps yammering about how Elon Musk shouldn't be allowed, or, you know, I saw a video yesterday about you. Oh, the Joe Rogans of the world are influencing, you're like-

• 1:19:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's that feminist guy?

• 1:19:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, and like, they're so mad.

• 1:19:48Joe Rogan?

  He tried to say that there's this multi-billion dollar right-wing ecosystem that's been developed, just like a terrorist network?

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:57Joe Rogan?

  That radicalizes young people, like, what, by talking to scientists?

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  By telling them to be good guys, to tell them to be honorable to their partner?

• 1:20:04Joe Rogan?

  Radicalizes.

• 1:20:05Speaker 01

  That's not radical.

• 1:20:06Joe Rogan?

  Radicalizes.

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  Also, let me ask you, on air for this podcast, how much money did Donald Trump give you to endorse him?

• 1:20:14Joe Rogan?

  A hundred million dollars.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  No, he didn't.

• 1:20:16Joe Rogan?

  No, he gave me nothing.

• 1:20:17Speaker 01

  Gave you zero, Joe.

• 1:20:18Joe Rogan?

  Gave me nothing.

• 1:20:18Speaker 01

  He gave you zero because you thought, I think that this is what's best for the country, given the two options.

• 1:20:23Joe Rogan?

  I know, I knew the resistance that it would face, but I think it's true.

• 1:20:26Speaker 01

  How much did Beyonce get?

• 1:20:27Joe Rogan?

  She got ten million dollars.

• 1:20:28Speaker 01

  Ten million?

• 1:20:29Joe Rogan?

  But, hold on, she talked for like, three minutes. That's good.

• 1:20:33Speaker 01

  What do you mean, that's good?

• 1:20:35Joe Rogan?

  I mean, that's enough.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  That's too much.

• 1:20:37Joe Rogan?

  No, no, it's plenty. It's perfect.

• 1:20:39Speaker 01

  Ten million?

• 1:20:41Joe Rogan?

  It's a good deal, the taxpayers' money. I mean, it's a good deal, all these people that are like, donating money to the Democratic Party, and they're twenty million dollars in debt.

• 1:20:48Speaker 01

  It went to Beyonce, you mutants.

• 1:20:50Joe Rogan?

  Here's the crazy thing. They're twenty million dollars, they spent a billion dollars, they're twenty million dollars in debt, and Trump offered to pay their debt. He's like, we have a lot of money left over, because most of our media was...

• 1:21:00Speaker 01

  We want too good.

• 1:21:00Joe Rogan?

  He called it earned media. I had to look it up. So, earned media is essentially whenever he's in the news.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:06Joe Rogan?

  Or when he's getting interviewed on shows, or on podcasts.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:09Joe Rogan?

  That's earned media, and that's what he did.

• 1:21:10Speaker 01

  Well, I just love, people go, why are you getting so passionate about this, Jeff? It's like, it's right in front of your eyes.

• 1:21:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  You, you have to pay someone ten million to endorse A, but then, like, B is doing it for free, because they believe in that, like, idea. Which one seems more nefarious?

• 1:21:28Joe Rogan?

  Bro, Eminem took 1.8.

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  1.8?

• 1:21:31Joe Rogan?

  Is that real?

• 1:21:31Speaker 03

  How do we know that's true?

• 1:21:32Joe Rogan?

  Because I said it.

• 1:21:33Speaker 03

  None of it, none of it is.

• 1:21:35Joe Rogan?

  The fuck is wrong with you?

• 1:21:36Speaker 03

  I have not found any evidence that supports this stuff, including...

• 1:21:39Joe Rogan?

  I think it's all legit.

• 1:21:40Speaker 03

  Some of them being asked, and said I was not paid.

• 1:21:42Joe Rogan?

  But wait a minute, Oprah was paid, there was an FEC thing.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  She, her, her company was paid to host an event.

• 1:21:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay. They paid her company a million dollars, dude.

• 1:21:50Speaker 03

  I'm just saying, that's, I don't know what happened, and where they hosted it, how people were involved, just, she was not paid, her company was paid.

• 1:21:57Joe Rogan?

  A million dollars? What, what did she do that hosted an event? Did she put together an event, like, cater an event?

• 1:22:03Speaker 03

  Campaign finance, I'll try to put on the screen. Show that they paid Harpo Productions for event production. It was paid for post livestreaming event.

• 1:22:13Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 1:22:13Speaker 03

  Which I don't know how much that costs.

• 1:22:14Joe Rogan?

  Production costs of a livestream event, that could be money.

• 1:22:17Speaker 03

  Said she was not paid a personal fee for the event. She said I was paid nothing.

• 1:22:21Joe Rogan?

  Right, but they, she didn't donate her company to do this. She, she got paid for it.

• 1:22:28Speaker 03

  That's where I don't, I don't know like.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  So this is where I got it.

• 1:22:31Joe Rogan?

  So she got a gig is essentially what it is. She got a million dollar gig.

• 1:22:36Speaker 01

  Five million to Megan Thee Stallion, three million to Lizzo, 1.8 for Eminem.

• 1:22:40Speaker 03

  I know that's in this article, but it doesn't show like where.

• 1:22:42Speaker 01

  And one million for Oprah.

• 1:22:44Joe Rogan?

  That could be made up.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, it says an Instagram list.

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  Well, I didn't make it up, but I, but that's what I read. So yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:49Joe Rogan?

  I want it to be real.

• 1:22:50Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, no problem.

• 1:22:51Joe Rogan?

  I want it to be real.

• 1:22:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:54Speaker 01

  Well, if I, I, I, it makes me believe in our earth better if they didn't, if they just did it for free.

• 1:22:59Joe Rogan?

  It makes me believe in the earth better if they did it. Cause I don't want to think that Eminem really believed that shit.

• 1:23:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. It's always naughty people that do this.

• 1:23:08Joe Rogan?

  I wouldn't think you went out there for 1.8.

• 1:23:11Joe Rogan?

  There's no federal records showing campaign payments to Eminem or Megan Thee Stallion. So when it says mostly false, like where did that rumor emanate from?

• 1:23:19Speaker 03

  Someone put it on Instagram and it goes around, people run wild with it because it sounds fun.

• 1:23:23Joe Rogan?

  Damn.

• 1:23:24Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:23:24Joe Rogan?

  I thought it was fun.

• 1:23:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, it is fun. Uh, if I'm wrong, I'm willing to, you know. I read it and I, my blood boiled. I was like, what is going on?

• 1:23:33Joe Rogan?

  The Beyonce one is crazy.

• 1:23:34Speaker 03

  There's no evidence that it's true. It might be true. Doesn't mean it's not. Just no current evidence as of today.

• 1:23:40Joe Rogan?

  Mostly false, but this is politifact.

• 1:23:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, it could be a rumor that got spread.

• 1:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Politifact is sketch.

• 1:23:45Speaker 01

  Well, if it's not true, then it's not true. But let me tell you, if it is true, that's crazy.

• 1:23:51Joe Rogan?

  Is that legal? Was, is it legal to pay Beyonce $10 million to talk at a political rally?

• 1:23:58Speaker 01

  Um, I don't think so. There's all these like little companies.

• 1:24:01Joe Rogan?

  Why would they pay her that much? That seems crazy. That does seem crazy.

• 1:24:05Speaker 01

  Desperate times.

• 1:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but she doesn't need the money.

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  No, I'm saying desperate times for the campaign trail and then they go, I was gonna endorse her anyways. I'll just do it for, you know, a little fee. My time is worth money. My private plane costs money. Can you cover that, you know?

• 1:24:18Joe Rogan?

  Well, it seems suspicious. You know, because when someone's got that kind of money to do something that people are gonna look down upon if they find out if it's true. That's what makes me skeptical. Because like someone who has that kind of money, for her, ten million dollars, it sounds crazy to say this, but I believe that for Beyonce and Jay-Z, ten million dollars is not noticeable. It's not gonna change their life at all.

• 1:24:38Speaker 01

  No, it won't change their life, but you still notice, like.

• 1:24:40Joe Rogan?

  I think they're billionaires, dude.

• 1:24:42Speaker 01

  Beyonce's got almost a billion dollars.

• 1:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think he has a billion as well. I don't think they're gonna notice. So that's like not gonna change your lifestyle.

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  But it could get you out of your house to go do a thing that puts you in the news.

• 1:24:55Joe Rogan?

  Is that what you want?

• 1:24:56Speaker 01

  Well, think about the Super Bowl. All those people that performed the Super Bowl halftime get paid zero dollars.

• 1:25:00Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it's a tremendous advertisement.

• 1:25:03Speaker 01

  Because they do it.

• 1:25:03Joe Rogan?

  But they perform. She wasn't even performing. She was just talking. I mean, maybe, maybe ten million bucks is ten million bucks. You can't help it even if you've got two billion dollars in the bank. But part of me is like, I would, maybe I'm just looking at how I would look at it. Like, I wouldn't do shit.

• 1:25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I always think, and this may be my naivety to like rich people, is that like, they don't have to be bought anymore because they're rich. Like, you'd think that. That's how I think about it. Is that like, I wouldn't do anything against, it's easier to do things against my moral compass when I was broke. You'd say, Jeff, we'll give you five hundred dollars, go steal this thing, because I'd be like, you know, I need five hundred bucks. Whereas like now, I can be a little more generous with my money. I can be a little more ethical. Because I'm, I'm in a place where I don't have to worry about, the five hundred dollars isn't worth breaking some ethical code for me.

• 1:25:49Joe Rogan?

  Right, but money isn't your existence. For some people, money is a some score of how well they're doing in life. And they get addicted to numbers. They get addicted to this idea of constantly, yeah, and they compare themselves to all the other people.

• 1:26:01Speaker 03

  Fox, this is from Fox News. They have Washington Examiner reporting that money was spent in ways, I guess you could argue, maybe.

• 1:26:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, they spent six figures bill building the set for Call Her Daddy, but that seems that people are saying that's outrageous, but that's not that outrageous. A hundred thousand dollars. You build a set, you have to lease a building, you have to bring in cameras and all that shit. I could see that being a hundred thousand dollars. Campaign spent at least fifteen million dollars on event production, FEC Record Show, with many payments lining up with high-profile events and concerts with celebrity attendees or performers.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  And that's how you do it. Because it's a performance.

• 1:26:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:41Speaker 01

  So you can pay them to perform. That's the difference.

• 1:26:43Joe Rogan?

  That's the difference. The truth is, just an epic disaster. This is a one billion-dollar disaster. Lyndy Lee, Harris surrogate and DNC National Finance Committee member, told Fox and Friends Weekend on Saturday. So they did, they just definitely spent a lot of money. Harris campaign cut multiple six-figure paychecks in September for left-leaning groups that have been vocal about defunding the police, reparations that are tied to radical activists who have supported notorious anti-Semi Louis Farrakhan, Fox News digitally previously reported. That's wild. So they cut checks to left-leaning groups. So they spend money to get people to talk about things.

• 1:27:21Speaker 01

  They give it to the groups, the groups pay the performers and the people that speak.

• 1:27:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, no, also the groups, like you're paying them to be vocal.

• 1:27:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:29Joe Rogan?

  Like by saying, "I cut multiple six-figure checks." Like, you're funding these people to go out and do these things. The FEC camp, um, filing also spent north of fifty-six million dollars on payroll and payroll taxes in just three months. That's crazy.

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  That payroll is, is your performers and your speakers.

• 1:27:51Joe Rogan?

  File also showed the campaign gave in excess of a hundred million dollars to various consulting and marketing firms, including Gambit Strategies LLC, DuPont Circle Strategies LLC, and Bully Pulpit Interactive LLC. That is so crazy. They gave those folks a hundred million dollars?

• 1:28:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, so like, one million dollars to Eminem could have been lost in there, but I'm just saying that no, you have to find the evidence to blame them.

• 1:28:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think with a guy like Eminem, too, he doesn't like Performing like he's you know he has agoraphobia like he's like he doesn't like leaving the house. Which is crazy. I saw him. He killed it. I saw him over here at the racetrack.

• 1:28:29Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:28:29Joe Rogan?

  He played at Cota. Yeah, it was awesome. It was like a hundred thousand people were there. Because it was uh, I don't know what the real number is. I might have made that up. But a lot of people.

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  A lot of people.

• 1:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Because it was there. People were there for Formula One and they have this enormous place. Like I saw the Stones there and I think it was, I mean, how many people's Cota seat? I mean, it had to be eighty thousand people. It's one of the biggest crowds I've ever seen. It was insane.

• 1:28:52Speaker 01

  This F1 stuff take off.

• 1:28:53Joe Rogan?

  But I saw Eminem there. He was great, but he performs so rarely.

• 1:28:56Speaker 01

  My buddy was at an F1 thing recently and like at one of the concerts that was performing afterwards or something or. Maybe it was just F1. I don't know. Maybe there wasn't a concert. Whatever it was, Michael Jordan was just hanging out. Michael Jordan had a hat on, a hood on. He had like the things over his ears from the noise of the car. And my buddy's like, hey, man, like I, you know, and then Jordan took like a selfie with him, chatted him up for a few minutes. And I was like, that's how popular it's getting.

• 1:29:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:19Speaker 01

  Like, you said that Eminem was performing at an F1 thing?

• 1:29:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. He performed, you know, they had the race, the races and then one night he performed.

• 1:29:27Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:29:28Joe Rogan?

  I think he performed Sunday night or Saturday night. I saw, just saw Post Malone there too. He was just there two weeks ago doing his country show.

• 1:29:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:35Joe Rogan?

  He's doing like,

• 1:29:36Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:29:37Joe Rogan?

  It's great. It's fucking, I love that dude to death.

• 1:29:39Speaker 01

  Post the best.

• 1:29:39Joe Rogan?

  He's so much fun. He's such a fun dude too. Just fun to hang out with him too. Get to see him and give him a hug.

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  Hundred thousand. Nice.

• 1:29:46Joe Rogan?

  Okay, hundred thousand people. Hundred thousand. So it was just in fucking insane huge crowd. He killed it too.

• 1:29:52Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  So, but he doesn't like to do shows. So to get him out there for a political event, you gotta come with the cheddar.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, you better pay the guy.

• 1:30:01Joe Rogan?

  Especially he doesn't do a lot of shows a year. One point eight will go a long way. Guy lives in Detroit. Price of living there is not that, not that steep.

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:09Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 1:30:09Speaker 01

  I, I think that you, I also think that it's. People care about money, you know?

• 1:30:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, especially if you're a person who thinks about money all the time. That's what I was saying about like, I know rich dudes, I know dudes who are billionaires, who get uncomfortable when they're around hundred billionaires, because they feel like losers.

• 1:30:28Speaker 01

  That's wild. It's hilarious. It breaks my brain. It's like when you showed me all the planets in a row and I was going, oh, like, that's what you just did with money for me.

• 1:30:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's always layers to it. Like, I'm pretty wealthy, but I'm very poor compared to my friend Elon.

• 1:30:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:30:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, I'm a popper. I'm like a dude living in a shitty studio apartment compared to that guy. Like, that's what it's like. Like, there's like crazy levels to it. But also, he works in a way I am not willing to do.

• 1:30:54Speaker 01

  He doesn't sleep. That's one thing people don't talk about these really, even Bill Gates, whether you agree with him or not, like, the dude was willing to like, sleep like a fish, where he'd take like, he'd sleep for like fifteen minutes and wake up and program again. Like, he worked really hard to become Bill Gates.

• 1:31:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, there's no doubt. And without Microsoft, like, who knows where we'd be without the Windows operating system?

• 1:31:14Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:31:14Joe Rogan?

  It was fucking everywhere. It was everything.

• 1:31:17Speaker 01

  He's also cured like five hundred things. These like small, like little nonprofits will say, well, there's this disease called this. You go, how much you need? They go, a million bucks, we think, maybe? And then he just gives them a money, and then they close. They go, well, what are we gonna work on now? He cured it. You know?

• 1:31:33Joe Rogan?

  Really? Sure about that?

• 1:31:34Speaker 01

  Uh, well, that's what I've, is this another one of these ones I got wrong?

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it might be one of these ones. Yeah.

• 1:31:39Speaker 01

  Let's ask it, Bill.

• 1:31:40Joe Rogan?

  There's a thing called philanthrocapitalism, okay? And philanthrocapitalism is you're acting like a philanthropist, but you're making a lot of money through this. Like, he invested a lot of money in the mRNA vaccines, and that's why he was promoting it. He made like five hundred million dollars.

• 1:31:53Speaker 01

  Sure, sure.

• 1:31:53Joe Rogan?

  And then after he dumped his stock, he started talking shit about it. It wasn't really that good. The virus wasn't that dangerous. Like, what?

• 1:31:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:00Joe Rogan?

  Where was this guy?

• 1:32:01Speaker 01

  Well, but I'm saying like, all these, I don't know how to look up if he's cured any diseases or anything. I don't know how you'd look that up. Is there a way to look that up?

• 1:32:09Speaker 03

  They've invested in efforts to develop cures for those, for diseases.

• 1:32:13Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 1:32:13Speaker 03

  Include sickle cell, HIV.

• 1:32:15Speaker 01

  But they didn't fix it.

• 1:32:16Speaker 03

  No, the only one I know that's close, I think, is sickle cell, but I think didn't they just pull back?

• 1:32:20Speaker 01

  We would have heard about that if they cured sickle cell, yeah.

• 1:32:23Joe Rogan?

  You know where sickle cell came from?

• 1:32:24Speaker 01

  I thought that he cured all these small ones.

• 1:32:26Joe Rogan?

  You know where sickle cell came from?

• 1:32:27Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:32:27Joe Rogan?

  It came from, uh, resistance to malaria.

• 1:32:30Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:32:30Joe Rogan?

  Isn't that crazy? Yeah, the people that, uh, experience malaria, that's tracked down in their genes, and they pass it on to their ancestors. That's where sickle, I had a buddy of mine died from sickle cell. When I was a kid, a guy I used to do Taekwondo with, dude named Walter, was awesomely talented guy. But like, he would get like, real sick, man. He just couldn't train, couldn't come in for months.

• 1:32:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, there was a new drug that came out this year, I think, that they thought was gonna be like, ending it, but they've had to quickly pull it off.

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Brought to you by Pfizer, of course.

• 1:32:58Speaker 03

  Died.

• 1:32:59Joe Rogan?

  They died from it?

• 1:33:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, anticipated number, higher than an anticipated number of deaths reported in trials.

• 1:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, indicating that the benefits of the drug no longer outweighed the risks. So it kills people quicker than sickle cell.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's just like, I guess that's a solution of sorts.

• 1:33:14Joe Rogan?

  There's been so many of those drugs. You know, thirty-three percent, is that what it is? Thirty-something percent of all drugs the FDA approves get pulled?

• 1:33:22Speaker 01

  Ugh.

• 1:33:22Joe Rogan?

  Like, whoopsies.

• 1:33:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, we tried, yeah, what's it matter, you know? You ever heard that book, I think it's called like, uh, nineteen, I don't know the name of the book, it's named after a year.

• 1:33:32Speaker 03

  Nineteen eighty-four?

• 1:33:33Speaker 01

  Um, I think it's.

• 1:33:34Joe Rogan?

  Not the George Orwell book.

• 1:33:35Speaker 01

  No, not George Orwell, it's called.

• 1:33:38Joe Rogan?

  That would be ridiculous.

• 1:33:40Speaker 01

  Gosh, it's a.

• 1:33:42Joe Rogan?

  What's it about?

• 1:33:43Speaker 01

  I'm trying to look in my, in my audible for this book. Uh, but the, basically the premise is, uh, this guy cures cancer.

• 1:33:50Joe Rogan?

  Why don't you just search and type in the number one nine?

• 1:33:53Speaker 01

  Maybe, but it might be called twenty twenty or something.

• 1:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you don't remember?

• 1:33:57Speaker 01

  No, it's a, I listen to a lot of books, what's it called here? I'll find it. But the, uh, the premise is this guy cures cancer, and then every, and at first everyone's great, he becomes the richest guy in the world, everyone's happy that he cured cancer. But then, uh, then people start to resent him because they're like, you know, I should have already had my inheritance by now. This guy's playing God, keeping my parents alive longer than they should. There becomes like, these ideas of like, no, he's wrong for doing this. He's affected society, like, there's no real estate being freed up as quick now. People should just die however they die naturally. And the, it's a fun little, yeah, it's not, obviously not real or nothing, but the. The was an interesting kind of way to look at things.

• 1:34:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's a sociopath's way of looking at things. Imagine that, like what you're thinking is if someone dies, I get their stuff. Why don't they just die?

• 1:34:50Speaker 01

  It's disgusting, but I could see how groups would start to think that. You know, like that's how like, like life is you may, you do a good idea. Look at the systems that we put in place like back in the day and now everyone looks like that was just their way to trap people in the projects. You're like, at first it was like a really nice idea, like they wanted to give people that couldn't afford places in the city. But it's all been.

• 1:35:11Joe Rogan?

  That's why how people react to that one dude is trying to live to be 2000 years old. You know, that one guy who gets like young guys blood injected in his body.

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, just do anything.

• 1:35:19Joe Rogan?

  Things. It's like, I've seen so many people mad at him. If everybody lived, everybody lived 500 years, the whole world would be overcrowded.

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. But everyone's not trying to do it. Yeah.

• 1:35:31Joe Rogan?

  Also, if I could give you a pill and you would be healthy, just take this one pill, you'll be healthy for 150 years. You're not gonna take it? Shut the fuck up.

• 1:35:39Speaker 01

  It's called 2030 by Albert Brooks.

• 1:35:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay, 2030.

• 1:35:44Speaker 01

  But it's interesting. It's just kind of like, yeah, cuz you start to do, see how like over time, people just misconstrue things. Enough time goes by.

• 1:35:52Joe Rogan?

  People are willing to do all sorts of mental gymnastics. I mean, that's how this whole gender affirming care thing got through. We would never let kids get tattoos. We're letting them get their dicks chopped off.

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:36:01Joe Rogan?

  Says who? Like, why?

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  What, 30 years ago, if you said that we'd be debating or even

• 1:36:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:36:06Speaker 01

  having to have a conversation that's controversial about whether a guy can be a woman.

• 1:36:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  They would laugh in the streets at us, you know? And now it's real. So I just like, that's kind of how the book does a really good job of describing like, they would just resent that guy after a while. They would hate him for carrying cancer.

• 1:36:21Joe Rogan?

  Some people would. There's always gonna be weak bitches in this world. And they exist to that you just you're talking about your parents. I don't want to be like that.

• 1:36:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:29Joe Rogan?

  That's what weak bitches are there for. They're weak behavior, jealous behavior. You learn from it and you go, oh, okay, I see what that guy's doing. I'll ever want to be like that guy.

• 1:36:38Speaker 01

  I feel like that with a ton of people in my life right now.

• 1:36:41Joe Rogan?

  Hell, yeah. You're gonna always, they're there. They're always gonna be there. There's some people that just, they're not gonna keep up. And you can't keep them in your life either. You just can't. You gotta keep moving.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:52Joe Rogan?

  Some people are never gonna run out of problems and they're never gonna run out of friends to throw those problems at.

• 1:36:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was telling you this earlier, but like, like the day after the election, like I like woke up, I was with my buddies. I was just sitting there and I was about to open up my phone for the first time. Since Trump wins the election, I just took a deep breath. I was like,

• 1:37:12Speaker 01

  I'm gonna lose a lot of friends today. I was about to post some shit and like, just like, I was so...

• 1:37:17Joe Rogan?

  You're not losing friends, though. You're losing friends that weren't really your friends. They were friends with conditions. You know, Ron White is a giant Kamala Harris supporter, believe it or not. Ron White always votes blue. He's one of them low-information voters. Like, you start giving him facts, he falls apart. But he'll fucking tell you, that guy shouldn't be the fucking president.

• 1:37:35Speaker 01

  He's a good president.

• 1:37:38Joe Rogan?

  Please, I love him to death. He's one of my best friends. I don't care.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  That's how things should work.

• 1:37:42Joe Rogan?

  That's how it's supposed to work. He has different political ideas. He has different ways of thinking about things. That's fine.

• 1:37:49Speaker 01

  It's broke my heart that a lot of people have treated me the way... Because I feel like people were fine with conservative Jeff. They knew that I'm a Christian and that I'm... That I lean, you know, right, and especially now, lean even more right. And then, but they didn't really draw a line until I became like supportive of Donald Trump. Like, that's when they drew a line and they go, "We don't want to talk to you anymore."

• 1:38:08Joe Rogan?

  I don't think I moved...

• 1:38:09Speaker 01

  And that broke my heart.

• 1:38:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't think I moved right at all. I stayed.

• 1:38:13Speaker 01

  But the thing is moved. That's what I'm saying. I haven't changed many of my thoughts. It's just that it's gone... What was a Democrat is now Republican.

• 1:38:22Joe Rogan?

  There's a few of my thoughts that I used to like be all-in on, and now I'm like, hmm. And this is like, just about like human psychology. Like, I was all-in on universal basic income, which I think is gonna be necessary in the future because I think automation... That's something Andrew Yang talked about when he was running for president. I think he's correct. That automation and AI is gonna just consume so many, especially AI, it's gonna consume so many jobs. There's gonna be so many people that have to like rethink their life and figure it out. And I think if we don't compensate those people somehow or another, we're gonna have a real fucking chaotic problem on our hands. Just to keep people happy and healthy, I think universal basic income might be the way to go. But I used to always think like, hey, maybe if we gave universal basic income to people,

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  then, you know, they would still be ambitious, but they'd be ambitious in like pursuing their own career, developing their own business, or, you know, taking that money and using it to be free. But now I think... That human nature, if you give people, there's so many people that if you don't give them a difficult problem to solve. And if you provide them with all their needs, their food and their shelter, they just get lazy.

• 1:39:29Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:39:29Joe Rogan?

  So there's two things going on, right. So there's two things going on simultaneously. One. We have to address the fact that there is no way to get around the fact that automation and AI is going to consume a lot of jobs. And I think universal basic income is probably the only solution for some of those people. But then there's also the psychology aspect of it. Like if you do tell people you never have to work again. Most people never have to work again and they're gonna regret it someday. One day they're gonna look at all these people they admire. That have accomplished things, that live these fun, exciting lives, successful lives. And they, and they're gonna feel envy and they're gonna feel despair and they're gonna feel like they could have done something more with their life. But they got trapped. The siren song of comfort led them into the rocks.

• 1:40:10Speaker 01

  That's the devil, the comfort, a hundred percent. Like, like all my friends, right? My friends, not all my friends, but during like COVID. They're like, what am I gonna do? And this is like really stressful and I don't have any, right? And then they got their government money, right, for, for, you know, being out of work. And you know what they did, Joe? They bought guitars and baseball cards. And it's like, I don't think you were as struggling as you thought you were.

• 1:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, they needed something to make them feel good.

• 1:40:37Speaker 01

  You know, so it's like you've got, like, if, if you give them, they'll say, well, this isn't basic, this basic income. It's not enough for me to really live. Cause what is really living, you know, like, so it's just always gonna be more.

• 1:40:51Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:40:51Speaker 01

  So it's like, it's flustering to try to solve that, you know, the hard work's the answer.

• 1:40:56Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're not gonna feel happy with no purpose. And that is another thing that we found during COVID. One of the things like people were so at each other's throats at during COVID, it's cause everybody was at home. And they were all fucking bored and they're all just freaking out and just like attacking people over every, wear a fucking mask.

• 1:41:15Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:41:15Joe Rogan?

  Like everybody was out of their mind.

• 1:41:16Speaker 01

  I lost my mind.

• 1:41:18Joe Rogan?

  It's like most people did, especially if you're seeing your life go away. Because you, maybe you've worked thirty years to develop a business, then all of a sudden some new thing. Comes along and you have to shut your business down for a year and a half.

• 1:41:29Speaker 01

  That's not gonna work.

• 1:41:30Joe Rogan?

  I don't have money.

• 1:41:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:41:31Joe Rogan?

  And you can't get a loan and like, oh my god, and the, the, the lease payments for the building, they keep coming in. What am I gonna do? And then you're on Twitter all day.

• 1:41:40Speaker 01

  All small businesses that they claim they care about.

• 1:41:42Joe Rogan?

  God, they crushed so many fucking restaurants.

• 1:41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:41:45Joe Rogan?

  They almost crushed the Comedy Store.

• 1:41:47Speaker 01

  Oh, I haven't made money in six months and now a different group's gonna break the windows out of that place that I didn't even. So, all at the same time?

• 1:41:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:55Speaker 01

  That's enough to make people.

• 1:41:56Joe Rogan?

  And people are saying defund the police at the same time. You're like, oh, this is great.

• 1:41:59Speaker 01

  That's enough to change my political opinions and it's enough for a psychopath to grab a gun and go, hey, maybe don't knock out the windows of my store. Like, it was just too much at once.

• 1:42:08Joe Rogan?

  If someone comes along from the left, that is an objective, sensible person, that's making sense of like immigration, foreign policy. Then I'm still left.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:19Joe Rogan?

  I'm still the same person. I'm still, because socially, I'm left on almost everything, on almost everything. The, the, you know, the hard right is to me just like the hard left. The crazy fucks that are, are out there on the fringes and they, they sort of define the left and define the right for everybody. Like, you define the right by like white supremacists.

• 1:42:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:42Joe Rogan?

  KKK, you've defined the left by Antifa, like.

• 1:42:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:42:45Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ. Most people are like right here.

• 1:42:48Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:42:48Joe Rogan?

  Most people are like, I just want rules and law and everybody be kind and healthy and a prosperous society and no pollution and.

• 1:42:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:56Joe Rogan?

  I feel like we could all work together and do a better job of all these different things.

• 1:42:59Speaker 01

  But like Jordan Peterson says, who's like my favorite human in the world, I love him so much. But he was saying like, it's really easy to identify and rebuke the far right. Like, we're very good at identifying it and going, I devour or disavow, or whatever the term is, we get, we don't want that.

• 1:43:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:14Speaker 01

  But then with the left, the very extreme left, we kind of celebrate it and we post it and we brag about it and we go, look how good I am.

• 1:43:21Joe Rogan?

  I think they thought we'd finally, we have thugs, you know?

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:24Joe Rogan?

  That it's one of those things.

• 1:43:25Speaker 01

  I'm against the far left.

• 1:43:27Joe Rogan?

  It's the bullies, it, I am.

• 1:43:28Speaker 01

  And the far right.

• 1:43:29Joe Rogan?

  The far right. It's the bullies. It's the bullies on both sides. The, the people that just wanna use a group and have a, a bunch, a bunch of people. They're all together and attack.

• 1:43:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:38Joe Rogan?

  And just go smash windows and light things on fire. And then, there's also, they get funded to do that, too.

• 1:43:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:43:44Joe Rogan?

  All this shit that you're seeing where the, the Harris, where they funded all these different organizations. People fund through political, through PACs, through all sorts of different methods, fund all sorts of organizations.

• 1:43:58Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:43:59Joe Rogan?

  They donate to all sorts of organizations. Some of these organizations cause problems.

• 1:44:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:03Joe Rogan?

  And they do it because they want them to do it. They want problems.

• 1:44:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  They was like during Black Lives Matter, when you see stacks of bricks laying around.

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:44:12Joe Rogan?

  I'm not buying it. I'm not buying this. Someone left thirty thousand dollars worth of bricks around. They were just doing construction. Just conveniently happened at the same time the protest is here.

• 1:44:22Speaker 01

  Everyone loves coincidences.

• 1:44:24Joe Rogan?

  What a coincidence. What are you, a conspiracy theorist?

• 1:44:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:29Joe Rogan?

  But it's just, you know, and that is another group thing, you know, about being a part of the group. If you're a part of a group that's yelling and lighting things on fire, you know how much fun that must be?

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, for that. Yeah, it's happening.

• 1:44:41Joe Rogan?

  You're doing it to support black people? Who doesn't want to support black people?

• 1:44:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:44:46Joe Rogan?

  Let's light up Starbucks.

• 1:44:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, and Starbucks is like, what did I do? I didn't do anything.

• 1:44:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. At least when I supported my group, I didn't get a free Xbox. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's, I don't think you really care about what you believe in if you're getting lamps and shit.

• 1:44:59Joe Rogan?

  And then in New York, they have the dumbest way of handling it. They just let people burn themselves out.

• 1:45:04Speaker 01

  It's crazy.

• 1:45:05Joe Rogan?

  That de Blasio was the worst. You know, it's not even his real name?

• 1:45:10Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. What's de Blasio's real name? It's some crazy, like, villain name.

• 1:45:14Speaker 01

  His real name's Mookie Betts.

• 1:45:15Joe Rogan?

  No, it's like a villain. He sounds like a villain. What's his real name?

• 1:45:25Joe Rogan?

  He changed his name to fit in with people in New York.

• 1:45:27Speaker 01

  Warren Wilhelm Junior?

• 1:45:28Joe Rogan?

  Warren Wilhelm Junior.

• 1:45:29Speaker 01

  Or Bill de, but, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:45:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's a fucking, that's an evil name.

• 1:45:32Speaker 01

  That is, for sure.

• 1:45:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Warren Wilhelm Junior.

• 1:45:38Speaker 01

  I like to call myself Jeff Dye.

• 1:45:39Joe Rogan?

  Changed his name!

• 1:45:40Speaker 01

  Jeff Dye Senior. And people are like, oh, is your son? I go, no.

• 1:45:43Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:45:44Speaker 01

  No, no, but if I, you know, just Jeff Dye Senior.

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  If I have a kid, it's gonna be Jeff Junior.

• 1:45:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:49Joe Rogan?

  I'm Jeff Senior.

• 1:45:49Speaker 01

  Jeff Senior.

• 1:45:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just preparing for the damn family. This is fucking so funny, though. The guy changed his name to make it ethnic.

• 1:45:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:45:58Joe Rogan?

  De Blasio, hey, De Blasio, the main New York.

• 1:46:01Speaker 01

  Right, I'm the guy, Gaba the goo.

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  De Blasio knows how to take care of you. Eat the fries, get a vaccine. Come on.

• 1:46:08Speaker 01

  William? What happened?

• 1:46:10Joe Rogan?

  No, no, Bill!

• 1:46:12Speaker 01

  Aren't you Old Man Williams kid?

• 1:46:14Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no, no, no. That's not me.

• 1:46:17Speaker 01

  That's really funny.

• 1:46:18Joe Rogan?

  I'm the guy who pays taxpayers money to interpretive dance performers with masks on in the middle of the street. You ever see that?

• 1:46:25Speaker 01

  You're like Alec Baldwin's wife. You remember her?

• 1:46:27Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever see DeBlasio? Oh, that lady's great.

• 1:46:29Speaker 01

  Dude, yeah, she's from Connecticut and she's like, "How do you say, uh, orange? Is it orange? I'm from Spain." She made up a national anthem. Just made up a whole, like, that's crazy to me. That's mentally crazy.

• 1:46:44Joe Rogan?

  She must be fun.

• 1:46:44Speaker 01

  Sexually, yeah. Amazing.

• 1:46:46Joe Rogan?

  I bet she's fun. Any kind of gal that pretends she's a different name?

• 1:46:51Speaker 01

  That's wild.

• 1:46:52Joe Rogan?

  That lady, that lady's fun.

• 1:46:54Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:46:55Joe Rogan?

  Um, what was I just asking? Oh, the, the video where DeBlasio had the performative dancers?

• 1:47:00Speaker 01

  Oh, yes.

• 1:47:01Joe Rogan?

  Listen to this. Take it from the beginning so you can hear how fucking stupid this is. Look at this. They all have masks on outside.

• 1:47:08Speaker 06

  We need a recovery that brings back the life and the heart and the energy of this city.

• 1:47:13Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 1:47:13Speaker 06

  And that everyone gets to be a part of.

• 1:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Look at this dance!

• 1:47:16Speaker 06

  We're gonna really bring back the heart and soul of New York City. We need our arts and culture back and we need people to see it and feel it, to participate in it. To know that that essence of New York City has not been defeated by the coronavirus.

• 1:47:29Joe Rogan?

  Peak woke.

• 1:47:30Speaker 06

  But will come back strong in 2021. Month after month in 2021, as you see the city come back to life, culture will lead the way.

• 1:47:37Joe Rogan?

  Culture!

• 1:47:38Speaker 07

  Culture is another step towards a recovery for our city. We're launching with 115 street locations in all five boroughs. And it brings stages to our neighborhoods and culture to the heart of our neighbors.

• 1:47:49Joe Rogan?

  I wonder how many of those 115 people, 115 neighborhoods shot at those dancers?

• 1:47:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Although, when I think of New York City, I do think of people spazzing out in masks like that. I do think of them going like this, like, on drugs, asking me for money. That's what I think of when I think of New York.

• 1:48:05Joe Rogan?

  This is peak woke. This is absolute peak woke insanity. Stupid, shitty, out of rhythm dancing to terrible music while everybody's wearing masks outside and they spent money on this. And this was his- way of bringing the city back through culture.

• 1:48:22Speaker 01

  It's just so unlikable.

• 1:48:24Joe Rogan?

  It's peak woke. This is this, I think this moment, this video, this is historians will look back at this like this is like.

• 1:48:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:48:31Joe Rogan?

  This is when they clearly lost their fucking mind. The biggest metropolitan city on earth, the one.

• 1:48:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:48:37Joe Rogan?

  If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere. That retard is the mayor.

• 1:48:42Speaker 01

  A hundred percent.

• 1:48:42Joe Rogan?

  And this is what he's doing with taxpayer money while he's got the whole city shut down.

• 1:48:46Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:48:47Joe Rogan?

  And he wanted to defund the police.

• 1:48:48Speaker 01

  They won't believe it.

• 1:48:49Joe Rogan?

  Let people riot and smash windows and steal things. We need to bring our culture back.

• 1:48:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:48:53Joe Rogan?

  You need to leave the job. You're terrible at this job.

• 1:48:56Speaker 01

  But people are gonna go, oh, you believe that? That wasn't real. You go, look at it, right? Yeah, yeah, they're gonna go, oh, come on.

• 1:49:01Joe Rogan?

  Peak woke insanity. If you tried to do that at any other time in history.

• 1:49:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:05Joe Rogan?

  If that was in nineteen ninety and the mayor of New York had people dancing with masks on in the street, everybody like, what the fuck is this?

• 1:49:13Speaker 01

  Someone bully them immediately.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  What happened here?

• 1:49:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, like what is happening?

• 1:49:17Joe Rogan?

  How did you lose your fucking mind? But they, that was when everybody was so confused and so mentally ill. I think as a society, we mentally had a cold. We're all like, oh, no one felt healthy.

• 1:49:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:49:29Joe Rogan?

  The whole country was mentally ill, like legitimately.

• 1:49:31Speaker 01

  I, yeah.

• 1:49:32Joe Rogan?

  That's how they pulled it off.

• 1:49:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:49:34Joe Rogan?

  That's peak woke.

• 1:49:35Speaker 01

  You know what they'll say, Joe? They'll go, ah, that was twenty twenty, dude. Cause they'll dismiss it as crazy. They'll go, oh, that was, that's different. That was twenty twenty.

• 1:49:42Joe Rogan?

  That was fucking.

• 1:49:43Speaker 01

  Uh, he's gonna bring up twenty twenty again.

• 1:49:45Joe Rogan?

  That was forty months ago, man. Let it go.

• 1:49:49Speaker 01

  Exactly. Well, where's the apologies?

• 1:49:51Joe Rogan?

  What's the big deal?

• 1:49:52Speaker 01

  Where's the, hey, we were, uh.

• 1:49:53Joe Rogan?

  They're not coming.

• 1:49:54Speaker 01

  Hey, you know, maybe we were wrong about that. When, when are you ever gonna hear that?

• 1:49:58Joe Rogan?

  Not only did they not admit that they were wrong, but now they're the victims.

• 1:50:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, everybody else is spreading misinformation and we have to censor online speeches. How, what about you guys?

• 1:50:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:50:10Joe Rogan?

  You got us into the Iraq war with misinformation, you cunts.

• 1:50:14Speaker 01

  I've been wrong all the time and I just go, oh, yeah, they go, oh, I'm sorry. I didn't know. I've been wrong on this fucking podcast right now.

• 1:50:20Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations.

• 1:50:21Speaker 01

  But like the left will just go, no, that's different. Like, I'm like, just, can you just at least say, we're sorry for calling you a a super spreading jerk because you wanted to leave your house to get coffee? Can I get one? Yeah.

• 1:50:34Joe Rogan?

  They were wrong about everything and they gaslit the whole fucking world. And they got away with it. And they got away with it. And they almost got away with demonizing their political opponent and putting him in jail. They almost got him in jail.

• 1:50:46Speaker 01

  Oh, my God.

• 1:50:46Joe Rogan?

  They came real close.

• 1:50:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's so scary.

• 1:50:48Joe Rogan?

  Convicted him thirty-four felonies, for things that aren't even felonies.

• 1:50:51Speaker 01

  Well, and also, people can't even tell you what those felonies are. They're just, it's more fun. It's more to fun to call someone a felon.

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, that's why he got convicted in the first place. It was all political.

• 1:50:59Speaker 01

  It's like name-calling.

• 1:51:01Joe Rogan?

  The whole world just lost its mind in four years. In four years, everybody just, it was like, there was so many contributing factors of the hatred of Trump. And then there was the coronavirus, the chaos, and then.

• 1:51:12Speaker 01

  The racism, the sexism.

• 1:51:14Joe Rogan?

  The George Floyd thing, and then Biden seems to be dead and he's still running the country. Like, what's happening?

• 1:51:19Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:51:19Joe Rogan?

  And then, you know, and then now, finally, when Trump won, it was like the first time in a long time. I was like,

• 1:51:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Maybe we're gonna be okay. You see the stuff that he's saying, like about the colleges, the gender.

• 1:51:31Speaker 01

  I'm very optimistic about it, yeah.

• 1:51:32Joe Rogan?

  This is like what most logical, sensible people have been saying.

• 1:51:36Speaker 01

  Well, and also, like, like, the, the double standard is just really fascinating to me is like, like, um, what's the Bosa guy from the Forty Niners? He comes on like while they're interviewing the guys that, uh, were the stars of the game. He runs up and puts his MAGA hat on. And then he like leaves, and everyone's like, well, he's gonna have to be fined for that. Like, you can't make political statements. I'm like, I don't know if you remember that BLM that was like on the field, like all their helmets said.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  That's different.

• 1:52:02Speaker 01

  That.

• 1:52:02Joe Rogan?

  That's not, that's not a political.

• 1:52:04Speaker 01

  Pretty political.

• 1:52:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a cultural statement, more than it's a politician you're supporting. There's a big difference between like someone you're supporting.

• 1:52:11Speaker 01

  Stop, don't shoot, isn't political?

• 1:52:15Joe Rogan?

  It's not political in a sense where someone's running for office. There's a difference between like, you're promoting someone running for office while it's on television. And they don't want you doing that on television. The other thing is like you're taking a, a cultural stand. It's a different thing. It's got political aspects to it.

• 1:52:32Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:52:32Joe Rogan?

  It's political in nature. It's supported primarily by the left, right?

• 1:52:36Speaker 01

  Hmm, okay.

• 1:52:36Joe Rogan?

  But it's not the same as-

• 1:52:38Speaker 01

  It's not vote for so and so. Okay.

• 1:52:40Joe Rogan?

  Right, right. But if you were, if he had a vote for Harris hat on, I bet nobody would give a fuck.

• 1:52:44Speaker 01

  I don't know. Yeah, but that is the interesting, like, I remember seeing that going, well, you're gonna have to find all those other players who wore defund the police on their things and, you know.

• 1:52:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little different. It's, it's different. It's a social issue. But I think the point's the same. It's like, these guys are you, it's also, it's like, how many of these fucking dudes who do this stuff just do it because they know they're gonna get social media cred?

• 1:53:05Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah. That's tough to figure out, too.

• 1:53:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of that in the world today. Like, when people know that you can say certain things, get a, it's hard to know what you really think.

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  Right. I've gotten accused of pandering, right? They're like, oh, he's pandering to the right or whatever. Yeah, Finesse Mitchell goes, you're getting real political lately, to me. And I was like, I'm just saying what I think. Also, like, I told you this, like, too, is like, when I was in Seattle, you know, and I was like, making jokes, like, nobody goes, wow, you're really leaning into this left stuff. You know, like, like, when comics are going up and talking about all the things they talk about, I don't go, oh, trying to make that Obama money, huh? Like, like, no, they're just saying what they think.

• 1:53:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:43Speaker 01

  Nobody ever accuses people of pandering until you do it, like, on the conservative side.

• 1:53:47Joe Rogan?

  Well-

• 1:53:47Speaker 01

  Then they think you're pandering.

• 1:53:48Joe Rogan?

  People do like when they catch people pandering, though.

• 1:53:51Speaker 01

  If you can catch them, but how do you know?

• 1:53:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, they like to accuse people of pandering if they disagree with what that person says. Yeah.

• 1:53:58Speaker 01

  Bingo. And our community, like, as far as stand-up comedians, has been very left-leaning. Always. And I've never once gone, oh, you're pandering to fit in here, or you're pandering to get on The Tonight Show, or you're pandering to get on Jimmy Kimmel.

• 1:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Definitely do, though.

• 1:54:09Speaker 01

  For sure. But I never accuse them of that, because how am I supposed to know if they really feel like that way or not?

• 1:54:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:14Speaker 01

  But then I say something-

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  I really don't care, as long as it's funny.

• 1:54:17Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:54:18Joe Rogan?

  If you, you're, you're pandering, but it's really hilarious. But the problem with me, what, what I really get grossed out by is clapter.

• 1:54:24Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. I'm guilty of it sometimes lately, for sure, just in certain scenarios I've done it, yeah.

• 1:54:29Joe Rogan?

  Where people just, they only want to say things that people are gonna clap and agree to, and if it's a punchline, like, hey, you missed a whole part of this whole formula we're all participating in here. This is a comedy club. We're coming here for funsies.

• 1:54:41Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 1:54:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think also too, it's like, that's why it's hard, that's why it's really rough to accuse someone of it.

• 1:54:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  Because you don't know, like, what is the difference between pandering and just playing to a crowd?

• 1:54:53Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:54:53Speaker 01

  Like, oh, Joe, you gotta read the crowd.

• 1:54:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:54:56Speaker 01

  Well, what's the difference between pandering and reading the crowd?

• 1:54:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:59Speaker 01

  I guess reading a crowd is pandering, so then I guess, yes, in a way, I'm guilty of it, but we all are.

• 1:55:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I guess. I've never been one for reading a crowd. I was like,

• 1:55:08Speaker 01

  You just do your thing.

• 1:55:09Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out.

• 1:55:10Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 1:55:11Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out how much of this stuff works.

• 1:55:13Speaker 01

  In Madison, Wisconsin, they go, did, or, no, I was in, uh, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, somewhere in Wisconsin, the people after the show go, I bet you don't do that material in LA. I go, damn sure I do. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do this material in LA for sure.

• 1:55:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, people have this bizarre idea that you change your act depending upon who's in the crowd.

• 1:55:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:55:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, you know how hard it is to come up with all this stuff?

• 1:55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:33Joe Rogan?

  It takes like fucking six months to come up with 20 minutes.

• 1:55:35Speaker 01

  It's hard to, yeah, one new joke needs to be blossomed into a thing, it needs to be watered. But I will say, like, I'll change, you know, read a crowd, like, if it's a corporate event, I'm gonna do different materi-, I'll do different words of the same bits and things, if I have to, like, I have to adjust, you know?

• 1:55:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, that's a different gig, though, right?

• 1:55:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:55:52Joe Rogan?

  The corporate gig is just, I'm only like hiking up my skirt and sticking my ass up in the air.

• 1:55:57Speaker 01

  Dude, that's all it is. That's the real luxury of being a successful, like, as successful as, you know, a lot of you comedians are.

• 1:56:04Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to do that.

• 1:56:05Speaker 01

  You don't have to do that.

• 1:56:06Joe Rogan?

  The corporate gig.

• 1:56:07Speaker 01

  I don't have to, but I still get offered it and I say yes, and I'm going, oh, it's tough.

• 1:56:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Ron White did one, he goes, uh, I did it because they offered me a fuckload of money and it was the worst experience I ever had in my fucking life.

• 1:56:20Speaker 01

  Stressful, dude.

• 1:56:20Joe Rogan?

  Why'd you do it? You shouldn't have done it. He goes, it was fucking terrible.

• 1:56:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, stressful. It also is kind of exciting, though. I kind of crave those moments where I'm like nervous again. Like, in February, when I came and did the mothership for the first time, I was like, oh, this is exciting, behind the curtain, I'm a little nervous.

• 1:56:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:34Speaker 01

  I'm a little nervous to go out there. You're up in the balcony, I'm going, I'm a little like, I like this. Like, the first time I did The Tonight Show, I had all these, like, butterflies, like, that was, I like, I live for those kind of moments, so like, You know, sometimes I'll take a corporate.

• 1:56:47Joe Rogan?

  You should do a live special.

• 1:56:48Speaker 01

  Pretty nervous. I'd love to.

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's.

• 1:56:50Speaker 01

  I'd love to.

• 1:56:51Joe Rogan?

  That, I did that because it made me nervous. I, I said no to it at first.

• 1:56:54Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:56:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I was like, no, I'm not doing that. Yeah, but then I thought, ah, why are you being a pussy? Then I called my manager back. I said, don't say no yet. Let me call you tomorrow. I called him the next day. I'm like, alright, we're good.

• 1:57:05Speaker 01

  I love it. I think that's the future.

• 1:57:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's definitely, you prepare for it more and you think about it in a different way than a regular show. Like, I, I prepared so much more than I ever do normally.

• 1:57:15Speaker 01

  Well, you didn't have to sit around approving edits from people at a big corporation with a bunch of laptops who aren't creative, who go, maybe this bit. And you go, I'm the comedian, why are you editing that? And so like, I think live's the future.

• 1:57:28Joe Rogan?

  I had to do that once with the Comedy Central, I had a Comedy Central deal to do a special and I bailed on it.

• 1:57:34Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 1:57:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, just after the phone call. Like, no, can't do this.

• 1:57:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, so like.

• 1:57:38Joe Rogan?

  It's like, you can't say that. I'm like, why not?

• 1:57:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, what do you mean?

• 1:57:40Joe Rogan?

  What are we talking about? Do you guys want funny or not funny?

• 1:57:43Speaker 01

  So I thought this was cable.

• 1:57:44Joe Rogan?

  They've changed their standards, though. And then like by 2014, I got away with a lot. I got away with a lot when I did a Comedy Central special in 2014. But they now, I don't even know what they make anymore, other than South Park.

• 1:58:00Speaker 01

  Comedy Central?

• 1:58:00Joe Rogan?

  I mean, do they even have South Park anymore?

• 1:58:02Speaker 01

  I'm not sure if they're making new episodes, but they have that. They play a lot of reruns of things. And then they also have all those daily shows and all that stuff does good for them.

• 1:58:08Joe Rogan?

  Okay, daily show, of course. But like, they used to have so many shows, man.

• 1:58:12Speaker 01

  I just don't think TV can compete with internet anymore.

• 1:58:15Joe Rogan?

  No. And they had an app, too. I know Comedy Central had an app for a while. I don't, I don't know if they still have that running. They still have a Comedy Central app?

• 1:58:22Speaker 01

  You want to hear a good story about the?

• 1:58:23Speaker 03

  They got folded into Paramount, I believe.

• 1:58:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that makes sense. And that's where the new South Park episodes are, right?

• 1:58:29Speaker 01

  What's that comedian's name that, uh, Joe List just made a documentary about? Gosh, he's a great guy from Boston. He now lives in the Keys of Florida. He's a Boston comic, kind of a legend.

• 1:58:40Speaker 03

  Tom Dustin?

• 1:58:41Speaker 01

  Tom Dustin, yeah. There's a great Tom Dustin story in Boston where the women that ran Comedy Central were like in the crowd and, uh, it's like a showcase thing. And the owner's like, just keep it clean. This is, you know, that's the thing. And Tom Dustin's already kind of a controversial guy as far as like the booker was like, you know, you know our reputation here and we're letting you do this because we want to help you, but like, play ball. So Tom Dustin goes out there and he's struggling a bit. And then he, uh... And it just in the middle of set, he just decides, I don't want to do this, you know, like I don't want to jump through these hoops. So he goes, I heard Comedy Central's here and everyone claps and he goes, how many fat, bearded, unfunny fucks are you gonna put on the network this year?

• 1:59:24Speaker 01

  And everyone's like mortified. And then he's like, ah, like he like, they're lighting him, get off the stage, get off the stage. And then, uh, he, he grabs, he's, ah, that's it, I'm in it. And then he comes back and he goes, oh, I forgot, you're all a bunch of N-word cunts.

• 1:59:39Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:59:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, just says that to the, the audience. And the, like, that, like, cause he just wanted to stick it to the comedy club and the, and the people that, yeah.

• 1:59:48Joe Rogan?

  That's the guy?

• 1:59:48Speaker 01

  Tom Dustin, yeah, he's a legend, dude, yeah. Um, great fucking funny guy, yeah.

• 1:59:55Joe Rogan?

  Must've missed him.

• 1:59:56Speaker 01

  He's, uh, you know, he's grinding, he's grinding it out, one of those Boston boys.

• 2:00:00Joe Rogan?

  And where does he live now?

• 2:00:01Speaker 01

  Now he lives in, uh, the, he started a comedy club in Key West.

• 2:00:04Joe Rogan?

  What's it called?

• 2:00:05Speaker 01

  Uh, I haven't played.

• 2:00:07Joe Rogan?

  There is a comedy club in Key West that a lot of people go down to. It's supposed to be a fun gig.

• 2:00:10Speaker 01

  Doug does it, Doug Stanhope does it, uh, I know Swartson, I don't know if Swartson's done it, but, uh, I know Swartson was down there when I was down there.

• 2:00:18Joe Rogan?

  So he just works his own club?

• 2:00:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, just ma- made his own, started his own club, he's happy.

• 2:00:22Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:00:22Speaker 01

  Pretty cool.

• 2:00:23Joe Rogan?

  Kinda like it.

• 2:00:24Speaker 01

  Well, you guys did it in different ways, Joe.

• 2:00:27Speaker 03

  Joe List.

• 2:00:28Joe Rogan?

  Joe List.

• 2:00:28Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, there you go. Sam Talent, that's pretty cool.

• 2:00:31Joe Rogan?

  You should fucking take a trip down to Key West.

• 2:00:32Speaker 01

  Hell, yeah. It's great.

• 2:00:34Joe Rogan?

  It might be fun to do a gig down there, just for funsies.

• 2:00:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'd help him out a lot, too.

• 2:00:38Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun area. Those people are wild people. I mean, that's been a wild place for a long ass time.

• 2:00:43Speaker 01

  Very uncharted territory.

• 2:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, kinda like, you know, nomads, like fucking Mad Max type shit.

• 2:00:49Speaker 01

  I like it there, yeah. And you can't just fly into the Keys. I mean, I, if you can, I didn't know that you could, because I had to drive, Dave Williamson drove me for like three hours, like, are we, like, how long have we been in the Keys? He's like, the gig's up here, don't worry.

• 2:01:02Joe Rogan?

  You gotta go by cruise ship.

• 2:01:03Speaker 01

  That's, well, I do, yeah, I think that's how they get there, actually, yeah. Have you done cruises, been on cruises, no?

• 2:01:10Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:01:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:01:12Joe Rogan?

  Not me, dude.

• 2:01:13Speaker 01

  Not into it, yeah.

• 2:01:14Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:01:15Speaker 01

  Well, you know what's funny about the cruise ships, uh, while we're talking about like corporate corruption? It's international waters. So like the casino, you're-

• 2:01:23Joe Rogan?

  They can just kill you.

• 2:01:23Speaker 01

  Well, the casino, you're like, this kind of is, this kind of feels unfair. And they're like, well, who are you gonna complain to?

• 2:01:29Joe Rogan?

  No one.

• 2:01:29Speaker 01

  There's no pit boss that goes, uh, don't worry, this is all sanctioned by the-

• 2:01:33Joe Rogan?

  They're to get you drunk and steal your money.

• 2:01:35Speaker 01

  Oh, and they're, the games are rigged.

• 2:01:38Speaker 01

  They just, just, they go, "I would like to talk to the casino commission." They go, "Shut up, you're in the middle of the ocean." You know, and you talk to the guy that works there. You're like, "Hey buddy, how much you, you know, make?" And they're like, "I make like a dollar a week." Or what, you know, like it's some crazy thing. You go, "They're just allowed to do that?"

• 2:01:52Joe Rogan?

  They give them free food and a bed.

• 2:01:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, and the guy, "More than where I li-" you know?

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  How about those folks that like live on cruise ships? You know those certain folks that gave up their house? And they just live on a cruise ship all year round?

• 2:02:02Speaker 01

  I will say, and I promise I'm not trying to be contrarian here. Cause I love Tim Dillon, I love like all these guys who will shit on cruise ships. And they're right. Every bit of criticism that my favorite people in my life criticize about cruise ships. The other side of that coin is, some people just wanna eat shit and look at things. They wanna be, there are some people, it's nice for my dad, you know? Like he's, he's happy to just go, "Oh, okay, what are they playing, uh, Rush Hour 2?" Alright, like it's okay. There's, those people are enjoying it.

• 2:02:31Joe Rogan?

  Sure, it's a vacation and you're where, with a whole bunch of people.

• 2:02:35Speaker 01

  Sunburnt, you're all sitting around.

• 2:02:36Joe Rogan?

  You got water slides and fucking all kinds of shit to do and...

• 2:02:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's fine for them.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  I get it, it's not my brain.

• 2:02:44Speaker 01

  Right, I don't wanna do it.

• 2:02:45Joe Rogan?

  I don't sync up that way.

• 2:02:46Speaker 01

  Nightmare for me. But then every three days you get to waddle your fat ass off the boat and see, uh, you know, Puerto Rico for three hours and then you get back on the boat. Some people, that's, that's a pretty cool deal.

• 2:02:58Joe Rogan?

  Some people.

• 2:02:58Speaker 01

  Some people.

• 2:02:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I don't wanna perform on those things.

• 2:03:02Speaker 01

  Well.

• 2:03:02Joe Rogan?

  How many times have you done it?

• 2:03:03Speaker 01

  Oh, I've only been on a cruise ship like probably three times and I got like some special deal.

• 2:03:08Joe Rogan?

  Were you doing stand-up or were you?

• 2:03:09Speaker 01

  I got to do stand-up. Oh, Joe, what a thing. One of the other comics, Tom Carter goes, "Don't be here, dude."

• 2:03:16Joe Rogan?

  I know Tom Carter.

• 2:03:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, Tom's awesome. He was the other comic on the boat. He saw that I was doing it, he goes, "Dude, you don't wanna be on here." He's like, "Go, you got the rest of your life to be on a cruise ship." Like if this is where you wanna end up. And, and he was speaking to the comedy aspect of it. Like, it was just pretty...

• 2:03:32Joe Rogan?

  That's a dark statement.

• 2:03:34Speaker 01

  Depressing, yeah.

• 2:03:35Joe Rogan?

  Cause Tom's my age.

• 2:03:36Speaker 01

  Tom's awesome.

• 2:03:37Joe Rogan?

  I've known Tom since we were open micers.

• 2:03:38Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:03:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the first time I ever went to an open mic night, I saw Tom on stage.

• 2:03:43Speaker 01

  Really? I just found out that Greg Fitzsimmons was a Boston guy.

• 2:03:47Joe Rogan?

  He started a week after me.

• 2:03:48Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:03:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we both started together.

• 2:03:50Speaker 01

  Do you consider yourself a Boston guy?

• 2:03:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's where I started.

• 2:03:53Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 2:03:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I think you develop a kind of sense of comedy and of urgency and like the audience's attention span and like the comics from Boston have, you know, at least back in that day, they had a sharp material.

• 2:04:09Joe Rogan?

  There were too many good comics. It was also like a real, it was a real pressure cooker because you had these guys that were these national level comics. They could have been some of the best comics in the country, but they never left Boston.

• 2:04:21Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:04:21Joe Rogan?

  And so you're always working with these guys, these Steve Sweeney, Don Gavin, Kevin Knox, Lenny Clark. They were monsters.

• 2:04:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, Lenny would have been pissed if you didn't say him right there.

• 2:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he was a monster. He was the first guy, or the second guy, actually, I ever get paid to open for.

• 2:04:36Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:04:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, those guys are rock stars and then they stayed put and so you guys have to compete with the rock stars.

• 2:04:42Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. So Lenny got out and he did a lot of TV shows and a bunch of stuff, but a lot of those guys, they stayed put and they, they were still fuck, like Steve Sweeney, he's to this day, one of the, the greatest killers on stage I've ever seen in my life. They got destroyed back in the day. I mean, destroyed. And Boston did a dirty thing. They did a dirty thing. The dirty thing was like, say if you're a famous comedian and you're coming to play Nick's Comedy Stop for the weekend, like Billy Crystal. They would put on Don Gavin.

• 2:05:08Speaker 01

  Oh, just bury him.

• 2:05:09Joe Rogan?

  Kevin Knox, Steve Sweeney, oh, it was hell, Mike Donovan.

• 2:05:14Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 2:05:15Joe Rogan?

  And they would just eat shit.

• 2:05:17Speaker 01

  Gotta earn it.

• 2:05:18Joe Rogan?

  And they would love that these guys would eat shit.

• 2:05:20Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 2:05:20Joe Rogan?

  They bring in a hell, they pay him all this money to go perform at this club. This is a club, by the way, that would pay you in coke or cash.

• 2:05:27Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, that's old days. Yeah, right there. I've only read about that, which makes me so happy. Like, you want coke, money, or just coke, or just money?

• 2:05:33Joe Rogan?

  Back in the day, there was a club that used to do that.

• 2:05:35Speaker 01

  I like that.

• 2:05:36Joe Rogan?

  And I think probably more than one.

• 2:05:38Speaker 01

  Oh, for sure.

• 2:05:38Joe Rogan?

  I mean, these were partying people.

• 2:05:40Speaker 01

  I would hear about that all the time.

• 2:05:42Joe Rogan?

  You know how they all got hit up, though?

• 2:05:44Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 2:05:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. They were all getting paid cash.

• 2:05:46Speaker 01

  Well, um.

• 2:05:47Joe Rogan?

  They all didn't pay their taxes.

• 2:05:48Speaker 01

  I remember opening for Greg Giraldo as like, uh, the club that I started at, like we were, he just used the open micers as free openers and like, and also like, pick up the comedian at the airport. And we wanted to pick up Greg Giraldo. Chris Porter, all these guys. We were excited to pick up the comics from the airport. But that was his way of not having to pay a car service to pick up the comics from the airport.

• 2:06:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the club owner did that?

• 2:06:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, the club owner did. And then, but then he'd also be like, "You guys are all gonna do short sets in front of the headliner, which we're excited to do, but that also means he doesn't have to pay us to open. So he doesn't have to pay for a middle or a host." So it was a little trick, but we were happy to be part of the trick because we just wanted stage time.

• 2:06:22Joe Rogan?

  Sure.

• 2:06:23Speaker 01

  You get to hang out with Greg Giraldo. How cool is that?

• 2:06:25Joe Rogan?

  It's like you're being an intern.

• 2:06:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it felt like that. Yeah, and I was happy with the trade. You know, that stage time's valuable. But, and I got to meet all, like, my heroes, you know, that came through. And I remember Greg Giraldo, you know, he's tor- he's, he's clean now. He's trying to be an honorable husband and he's, you know, he's got the fix. And he would just be like, "You know, Jeff, if this was back in the day, we would've been knee-deep in coke." And I'm like, "Let's do that now!" Like, why? Like, why? Why do I? How did I miss it? You know, like, I'm, I'm reading about all these tales.

• 2:06:53Joe Rogan?

  It's unsustainable.

• 2:06:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:06:55Joe Rogan?

  The only guy who's been able to sustain partying for an entire career is Stan Hope.

• 2:07:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, or they die. Dangerfield was doing it till the end.

• 2:07:03Joe Rogan?

  He did it till the end. He was smoking pot, doing lines to the very end.

• 2:07:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, he was committed.

• 2:07:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, come on.

• 2:07:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, this is comedy.

• 2:07:10Joe Rogan?

  How great is the notes in the green room?

• 2:07:11Speaker 01

  You saw me browsing those last night. I was pretty into that.

• 2:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:07:14Speaker 01

  How'd you get them?

• 2:07:15Joe Rogan?

  His wife. His wife gave them to us.

• 2:07:16Speaker 01

  Really?

• 2:07:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Whitney knows his wife, and when she found out we were opening up the club.

• 2:07:22Speaker 01

  I love that. I love stuff like that.

• 2:07:24Joe Rogan?

  I wanna do something like what he did, where he had Rodney Dangerfield and Friends, where he did those HBO shows.

• 2:07:30Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:07:31Joe Rogan?

  Where he introduced the world to, like, some of the best comics. I wanna do something like that.

• 2:07:35Speaker 01

  You'd help a lot of guys, let me tell you, because...

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Doing that, like, from the mothership would be fucking amazing.

• 2:07:41Speaker 01

  That'd help a lot of guys.

• 2:07:43Joe Rogan?

  I think there's guys out there that, that could use it, too. There's guys out there that have, like, 10 minutes of murder. And just put those 10 minutes of murder together and, you know, have four or five guys on a show and have some fun.

• 2:07:54Speaker 01

  Would you be able to commit to picking the guys you like as opposed to the guys that Netflix wants you to plug?

• 2:07:59Joe Rogan?

  No, if I was gonna do Joe Rogan and Friends, it would have to be people that I really think are funny.

• 2:08:03Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 2:08:03Joe Rogan?

  Whether I know them or not, like, people that I really admire. And that's what... What he did, what Rodney did was different than anybody else, other than Carson, who wasn't really a comedian, right? So Johnny Carson was the way that everybody got famous. You got on the Tonight Show.

• 2:08:18Speaker 01

  You're the new Carson, by the way.

• 2:08:20Joe Rogan?

  And you get to sit, oh, thank you.

• 2:08:20Speaker 01

  I believe that.

• 2:08:21Joe Rogan?

  And you get to sit next to Carson, like, holy shit, I'm sitting next to Carson, and like, he likes you so much. You made it. You were headlining in comedy clubs after that. And traveling around the country, and, you know, this guy's like Rich Jenny did, like, dozens of.

• 2:08:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, Rich Jenny was great.

• 2:08:33Joe Rogan?

  Amazing.

• 2:08:34Speaker 01

  A very unhappy man, but like, a talented man.

• 2:08:36Joe Rogan?

  Super depressed guy. But then you had Rodney. And what Rodney did is he introduced people to the HBO special comedians. So these weren't comedians like Tonight Show clean comedians. These were guys like Robert Schimmel, Dice Clay, Bill Hicks, Sam Kinison, Dom Irrera. Killers, Lenny Clark, killers, killers.

• 2:08:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:08:58Joe Rogan?

  And like, headliners already, like, and then they all got HBO specials.

• 2:09:03Speaker 01

  Love it.

• 2:09:04Joe Rogan?

  And they all became like, national talent, and like, people that would see them everywhere. But it all came out of Rodney. Because Rodney had this desire to introduce these comics to the rest of the world. Whereas nobody else was doing that back then.

• 2:09:15Speaker 01

  And I love that. That's like, that's how you help people. Is by going, hey, I know this guy isn't famous, he doesn't have a sitcom.

• 2:09:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:21Speaker 01

  But I, right, I'm funny. Here's the guy that I think is funny. I also think, I think our Rodney Dangerfield is Dave Attell. Joke, joke, joke, joke, just crushing killer. I think our Larry the Cable guy's Theo Von. Like, you know, like, it's got the voice and the things, and the, you don't know what is a story and what is a joke.

• 2:09:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:09:38Speaker 01

  But, you know, our Eddie Murphy's Kevin Hart. You can, you know, our Normie is, or Norm MacDonald is kind of a Mark Norman. Like, we have these kind of next guys.

• 2:09:49Joe Rogan?

  Sort of. I think they're all their own thing.

• 2:09:51Speaker 01

  They are their own thing.

• 2:09:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't really think it's our this or our other. I don't think about it that way.

• 2:09:55Speaker 01

  Well, you don't think styles influence people?

• 2:09:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they definitely do.

• 2:09:58Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 2:09:58Joe Rogan?

  For sure. I think, you know, like, if you listen to Steven Wright, then you listen to Mitch Hedberg.

• 2:10:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's great.

• 2:10:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:04Speaker 01

  That's beautiful.

• 2:10:06Joe Rogan?

  Absurdist, non secularist.

• 2:10:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. I'm very inspired by Norm and Patrice and Simpsons. Like, if you watch my act, you can go, I can, I know all the things this guy watched.

• 2:10:15Joe Rogan?

  But I think it tells his own thing. Like. It tells, I think he's one of the greatest of all time. I really do.

• 2:10:21Speaker 01

  Oh, I think so too.

• 2:10:22Joe Rogan?

  I saw him at the mothership one night. I came in just to watch the set. It was amazing.

• 2:10:27Speaker 01

  Machine Gun Joe.

• 2:10:28Joe Rogan?

  And he's so in the groove. He's just this zen master on stage where every, every beat is perfect. He's a master.

• 2:10:37Speaker 01

  I love him.

• 2:10:38Joe Rogan?

  He's so good. He's so good at just talking shit too, when he has everybody come on stage with him. He gives everybody a microphone, then just starts shitting on them.

• 2:10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's the best. He also like has still like, he's still maintained, people like when you don't change, you know? Like if you're a fat celebrity, you better stay fat. We don't want to see you skinny. You know, and if, and if you're a skinny person and you get fat, they go, what happened? You know, like we don't like any, that's why kid, child stars are doomed. Cause they're gonna have to change and you're gonna, I liked him when he was a cute kid, you know, what's going? But I think, uh, the same thing is true with like, Attell. He still looks like he's broke.

• 2:11:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:15Speaker 01

  You look at Attell, you're like, that guy, is he alright?

• 2:11:18Joe Rogan?

  Same, dresses the same way. Every time you see him, even on his specials, wearing a, it could be eighty degrees outside, he's got a jacket on.

• 2:11:25Speaker 01

  Like a durag and a hat.

• 2:11:28Speaker 01

  I love that. And I love that like you're, like you're like, is he okay? You're like, that's one of the best comedians in the world. He's crushing it, yeah.

• 2:11:34Joe Rogan?

  But he's really in his own little world. Like he really does still read newspapers and he writes jokes in a coffee shop and his flip phone. He texts you.

• 2:11:43Speaker 01

  No, from a flip phone? I didn't know that.

• 2:11:46Joe Rogan?

  Every time I get a text from him, I appreciate it because I know how long it took to make. These fucking things take forever. And he was in here in the studio and he was sitting there, he had a text, somebody was going.

• 2:11:56Speaker 01

  That's hilarious. Yeah, you're like my dad.

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  That's wild. But he's right, right? If you don't want to be connected to that world, you don't want to be influenced and just stay in the zone. And who's better at staying in the zone than him? Nobody.

• 2:12:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  Who's better at coming up with new material? Nobody.

• 2:12:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's awesome.

• 2:12:10Joe Rogan?

  He, so he's just like found this area to exist in.

• 2:12:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, he's the best.

• 2:12:14Joe Rogan?

  I'm good.

• 2:12:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:12:15Joe Rogan?

  I'm good.

• 2:12:16Speaker 01

  I love it. I, I think he's one of the greats. So I, or we agree that he's one of the greats. I had a, a couple of friends, this is a long time, we like, we just went to a theater show, we saw this comic, he wasn't very funny. They love to do that. Oh, I saw this special, it sucked, you know, like they love to shit on it better than just going, we enjoyed it. And so I go, oh, who'd you see? And they go, I can't remember his name, but we'll, we'll text you if we can remember or whatever. And I was like, okay, these are good friends of mine. And so then like later on, they're like, oh, it was Dave Attell. And I go, oh, you were wrong. You are just wrong. And they're like, no, it was really bad. I go, wrong? You're wrong. There's just no way that that is, and I think that that's like the disconnect of like maybe a theater show.

• 2:12:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, also.

• 2:12:56Speaker 01

  Or like a Netflix special, you know.

• 2:12:58Joe Rogan?

  Were you talking to your friends? Were you looking at your phone?

• 2:13:00Speaker 01

  They wanted some crowd work or something. I don't know what they expected, but I was like, you're wrong. Like, that's one of the greatest.

• 2:13:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:06Speaker 01

  I think sometimes if a venue's too big, you know, and the person's all small, like maybe that's, there's a disconnect there.

• 2:13:11Joe Rogan?

  Maybe.

• 2:13:11Speaker 01

  But.

• 2:13:12Joe Rogan?

  I don't know, but there's usually screens.

• 2:13:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:13:14Joe Rogan?

  It's, people have shitty tastes.

• 2:13:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I couldn't believe it.

• 2:13:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I've heard things like that before about other comedians that I think are awesome. Like, shut up.

• 2:13:22Speaker 01

  When also the stadium's laughing and going, this guy's the best, and then my dumb friends are gone.

• 2:13:26Joe Rogan?

  I thought they were all cheap jokes. Oh, you mean my favorite kind? Shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. I like a good cheap joke.

• 2:13:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 2:13:34Joe Rogan?

  A cheap joke that makes me laugh is fun.

• 2:13:35Speaker 01

  Did it work? Yeah, it should laugh.

• 2:13:36Joe Rogan?

  I, I'm not, yeah, I'm not necessarily a connoisseur. I'm just here to have a good time.

• 2:13:41Speaker 01

  Well, that's, I do think that's a good thing too about taste. Like, I think it was in Dave Grohl's book, where he was like, I'll eat like, I'll drink shitty coffee from like a gas station, but also appreciate like a nice espresso. And I think that's a good way to like, think about even like jokes.

• 2:13:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:56Speaker 01

  I'll take a one liner, a cheap joke. I'll take a story, a misdirection. I'll take anything.

• 2:14:00Joe Rogan?

  Just let me, make me laugh.

• 2:14:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like the good stuff and the bad stuff, yeah.

• 2:14:04Joe Rogan?

  But the thing that's hard for comics is to maintain an audience enthusiasm, right? Like, to watch comedy, like, and appreciate it like you used to before you were a comic.

• 2:14:14Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:14:14Joe Rogan?

  Cause you, you know the tricks and this, it's one way to, you like, when you see someone's doing hacky stuff, you're like, yuck. But just fun. Just have a good time.

• 2:14:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:14:25Joe Rogan?

  Don't start breaking down someone's bits or crap. Like, you see comics, they, they can't laugh. They're watching things and everything is like, hmm, I don't know. I don't think it's gonna get a little extra time to get to this joke. Could've edited that out a little bit better. You start like. You know, too much.

• 2:14:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:14:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, an audience.

• 2:14:41Speaker 01

  I did that early. I'd police guys.

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:14:43Speaker 01

  Like when I was like a passionate, obsessed with comedy open mic'er. I would be like, you know, so and so has a bit about that subject. And it's like, yeah, like we're all talking about the same subjects, you know? But I would be the guy that would be like, well, you shouldn't do that, cuz Daniel Tosh has a thing, you know, like. Uh, but it was all bullshit. It was just me being so passionate about it that I was overdoing it.

• 2:15:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, you're probably applying those standards to yourself, too.

• 2:15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, for sure.

• 2:15:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so that's part of it. You see someone who's like, eh, come on, man, you know that fucking Gilbert Gottfried had a bit about that.

• 2:15:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like also just you don't wanna overthink it. I think you're a hundred percent right. Like have fun with the crowd, be out there.

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and just be able to enjoy different kinds of comedy, too. And just some people just can't. And there's so many people, particularly like left-wing comics, like comedy has to align up with their ideology, or they just won't. They won't get into it. They can't.

• 2:15:31Speaker 01

  I hate it.

• 2:15:31Joe Rogan?

  I used to see that with Dice Clay. That was the big one. And we were talking about this last night, cuz like, I came in as like a Dice Clay fan when I was a kid.

• 2:15:42Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:15:42Joe Rogan?

  And by the time Dice had gotten kicked off of MTV and it was like in fashion for comedians to call him a sexist and a pig and like this guy is, it's a character.

• 2:15:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, what are you talking about?

• 2:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Also, it's like, shut the fuck up.

• 2:15:55Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:15:55Joe Rogan?

  And then I, there were, there was like so much jealousy. There was a little jealousy about him, too, because he was the first comic that ever sold out arenas.

• 2:16:02Speaker 01

  Mm.

• 2:16:02Joe Rogan?

  So he was selling out arenas when everybody else was like struggling to like fill a weekend at a little comedy club. Like, what?

• 2:16:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:08Joe Rogan?

  And these guys all started with him. And it, and he was one of those guys that got on Ronnie Dangerfield's special and just took off.

• 2:16:15Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 2:16:15Joe Rogan?

  And then he did his own special. I think it was just, I think it was called Dice Rules. And that special took off. And then, dude, he was everywhere. And it wasn't, it was different than any other kinda comedy, cuz everybody knew the nursery rhymes and they wanted to say it with them.

• 2:16:29Speaker 01

  The hits.

• 2:16:30Joe Rogan?

  So it was like going to a concert.

• 2:16:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:16:32Joe Rogan?

  You know? What's in the bowl bitch? Oh, and everybody go, yeah. It was different.

• 2:16:38Speaker 01

  If anyone was to criticize, you know, like I know a lot of the old dogs in Boston won't be like, these guys aren't doing anything different, but that's different.

• 2:16:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:46Speaker 01

  So you get something that's different that's working and then people will kind of get mad.

• 2:16:49Joe Rogan?

  They were mad.

• 2:16:50Speaker 01

  You claimed you wanted something different and it's working. It's working and it's different.

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  Just because you do a different thing, like if you're an observational comic, just because you do a different thing, doesn't mean that that thing that all these tens of thousands of people are screaming and cheering for is wrong.

• 2:17:05Speaker 01

  Right, 100%.

• 2:17:06Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy way of looking at it.

• 2:17:07Speaker 01

  I'll give you a great example. I was at Skank Fest, right, this year in Vegas, which what a treat and so grateful to them for having me. So I don't ever want to make it sound like I'm not grateful. But I went and watched, um, Carrot Top, Scott Thompson, right? I went over to, I went over to the Luxor. I watched the show. And then I come back to Skank Fest and I was like, oh, we were at Carrot Top, you know, but if you were like, Carrot Top, I was like, he's better than all of us, just so you know.

• 2:17:34Joe Rogan?

  He's funny.

• 2:17:35Speaker 01

  It's great, Joe. 90 minutes of not missing. It was, uh, relevant as far as like he was doing topical things. He had a P Diddy joke that happened like the night before I saw him. Like he had, uh, all the, you know, it wasn't all props. There was a lot of topical, tons of Trump stuff, political stuff. There was like three, like a maybe a one minute segment where I was like, um, you know, cause I was going in with an open mind. Like if it's gonna be shit, I'll say it's shit. And if it's great, I'll say it's great, you know? And there was like, there was like a one little chunk that I was like, that's a little hacky. And it's like, you know, a Vegas Luxor joke about how like, oh, they made it a, uh, pyramid because if you try to jump out the window, you'll just end back up at the casinos. That's kind of a, I've heard that kind of thing.

• 2:18:18Speaker 01

  But then I started thinking about it. I was like, no, he probably wrote that. He's been doing this for 29. Sometimes you'll watch Pryor and it'll be like, black women are like this, white, and you go, that's hacky. No, he did it first.

• 2:18:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:18:28Speaker 01

  And so in my mind, I was like, 90 minutes of not missing and he's the nicest guy in the world. And he's crushing it. It's a great, great, great show.

• 2:18:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, he was a guy that in the early days when he was taking off, everyone. Shit on.

• 2:18:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:18:43Joe Rogan?

  Everyone shit on, including Hicks. Hicks had a whole bit about Carrot Top.

• 2:18:47Speaker 01

  Which sucks, cuz he's so good.

• 2:18:49Joe Rogan?

  It was just a jealousy thing. It was just shitting on the guy who was doing this thing that you think is somehow another coloring outside the lines.

• 2:18:57Speaker 01

  Which is crazy to me.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  Didn't make any sense. And then he also kind of was alienated from everybody because he did, then he did a residency in Vegas. He was like one of the first big guys to just do it. He's been in Vegas forever.

• 2:19:07Speaker 01

  Twenty-nine years.

• 2:19:08Joe Rogan?

  That's so crazy.

• 2:19:09Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:19:09Joe Rogan?

  That's a long time.

• 2:19:10Speaker 01

  And that means it must be pretty good. Uh, like it was.

• 2:19:13Joe Rogan?

  He does well.

• 2:19:13Speaker 01

  Aw, man, I want you to see. Have you seen it?

• 2:19:15Joe Rogan?

  Really nice guy. Yeah, I saw his show. Yeah, I saw it.

• 2:19:18Speaker 01

  It's so good. And I couldn't, he was, couldn't have been more humble. And like, it was just like such a nice guy. And I, I, I said this to him. I wanted him to hear it that like, you know, all the hate that my like comedy friends do is just because it's become a thing.

• 2:19:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:19:32Speaker 01

  It's not cuz it's real. So like, I think this happens in life. Like people go, Henry Winkler, Jeff, you worked with Henry Winkler. Isn't he the nicest guy in the world? Yes. Henry Winkler's the nicest guy in the world. But so are a lot of people.

• 2:19:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:19:44Speaker 01

  But we've learned Henry Winkler's the nicest. Hence, we just repeat it. You know, oh, Taylor Swift only sings about her ex-boyfriends. Every musician sings about their exes. Why is that Taylor Swift's thing?

• 2:19:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, she's got a lot of.

• 2:19:56Speaker 01

  But it's just something we've heard and we repeat as like a hacky thing. And I think that's the same with Carrot Top. It became hack. It became like a trend to make fun of him, but

• 2:20:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:05Speaker 01

  He didn't deserve it. That act is killer.

• 2:20:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a lot of that. That's Trump as a Nazi.

• 2:20:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:20:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:20:11Speaker 01

  It's not fair.

• 2:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of that. There's narratives. There's headlines, clickbait narratives that just get spread.

• 2:20:17Speaker 01

  I don't know. I hate it.

• 2:20:18Joe Rogan?

  It's easy to define people in a certain way.

• 2:20:20Speaker 01

  They'll say, oh, I, I, I see it in like small things. Oh, you know, you swallow ten spiders, spiders a year. I go, no, you don't. What are you sleeping outside with your mouth open? What are you talking about? Why are people repeating these things that aren't, oh, you know, you lose a million hairs a month. You're like, no, you don't. Like, where are these things being repeated or perpetuated?

• 2:20:38Joe Rogan?

  The internet, just like we were talking about how much Lizzo made.

• 2:20:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Which I'm probably gonna wear that a little bit, but I think we got to the bottom of it.

• 2:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, we probably are at least semi-accurate. I just wonder who came up with that list in the first place.

• 2:20:53Speaker 01

  Well, but that's, there's difference between me saying something wrong on your podcast and millions of people repeating a thing that they heard about Carrot Top. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just, I don't understand how that becomes a, a reputation. And now this guy lives in some world where he goes, everyone hates me and even family guys shitting on me. I don't deserve this.

• 2:21:12Joe Rogan?

  Well, one of the things he said that after he came on my show, he started getting a lot of love.

• 2:21:15Speaker 01

  Oh, good.

• 2:21:16Joe Rogan?

  He said it was way different. A lot of people were coming to his shows that had like, were fans of my show and then wanted to come see him and... Yeah, it's like, he turned a corner and he should have never had to do that. I never met the guy.

• 2:21:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:21:27Joe Rogan?

  Like, I, I didn't meet him until I did a podcast with him.

• 2:21:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:30Joe Rogan?

  So for me, it was like, it was cool to just like, just...

• 2:21:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, just chill.

• 2:21:34Joe Rogan?

  Have fun with him and like, let him get out of that.

• 2:21:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 2:21:37Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 2:21:37Speaker 01

  Well, he's a comedian.

• 2:21:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and he's a nice guy.

• 2:21:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:21:41Joe Rogan?

  He's not hurting anybody. Like, he is a sweetheart of a guy.

• 2:21:43Speaker 01

  Right. I, I feel like what happened to more prop comics.

• 2:21:47Joe Rogan?

  They all went away because he's so successful, he defined prop comedy.

• 2:21:51Speaker 01

  He's like Weird Al.

• 2:21:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:53Speaker 01

  You don't see parody music anymore. Weird Al's goes, "I got 50 albums. Who's next?"

• 2:21:58Joe Rogan?

  You don't see anybody smashing watermelons. Gallagher did it and that's the only one.

• 2:22:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I guess Bo Burnham does musical parody, but it's not the same.

• 2:22:05Joe Rogan?

  Sure, he does it, but he, he started on YouTube, right?

• 2:22:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:22:08Joe Rogan?

  That was like...

• 2:22:09Speaker 01

  But it isn't like he doesn't take a song, you know how like Weird Al would take Michael Jackson's song? So you knew the song and then you'd repeat... Yeah, yeah, which is great.

• 2:22:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:17Speaker 01

  Um... I loved Weird Al. I haven't thought about him in a long time. Um...

• 2:22:22Joe Rogan?

  But like, you, but prop comics...

• 2:22:24Speaker 01

  It's over.

• 2:22:25Joe Rogan?

  It's it. Like, puppet comics, they, they went away. You have Jeff Dunham and that's it.

• 2:22:30Speaker 01

  What was the guy? I know you'll know this.

• 2:22:32Joe Rogan?

  Otto and George?

• 2:22:32Speaker 01

  Otto, I didn't have to say it. So funny. A dirty...

• 2:22:36Joe Rogan?

  I used to work with Otto. We used to do, um, these prom shows at Dangerfields. So when I first moved to New York City, Dangerfields was, uh, one of the clubs that I worked at the most, cause it was like, first of all, I couldn't believe it was Rodney Dangerfield's club and they actually filmed one of Dangerfield's specials there.

• 2:22:53Speaker 01

  So you're like a fan of Dangerfield?

• 2:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, huge fan. And, uh, we did these prom shows. The prom shows would start like 7pm or whatever it was. And they would go on until 4 o'clock in the fucking morning. And it was kids, like, from the Bronx and Staten Island. They'd come in on buses and limos, and they'd all be drunk. And they would fill up these fucking little clubs with these kids and then just want you to do the same material the next show, so the kids leave. So they never had the kids leave. So they would tell you, "Hey, you gotta stop doing new material. Do the same material every time." I'm like, "I'm not doing the same material." "I'm not gonna bomb." "I'm here to do my set. You can't tell me what to do." "You've got me here for five sets." "If you got five, if I look in that same drunk kid is in the front row, "I'm gonna do a new set."

• 2:23:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's great.

• 2:23:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, I have another 10 minutes.

• 2:23:40Speaker 01

  Trying to grow, yeah.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, it was fucking ridiculous. But the shows would go on forever and ever, and I did a bunch of them with Otto.

• 2:23:47Speaker 01

  Oh, wow. I'm so jealous to hear that. Do you think that the internet has a lot of Otto and George? Like, you can find stuff?

• 2:23:53Joe Rogan?

  You had to see him live, 'cause you couldn't believe what the fuck he was saying. He was so wild. He would say the fucking craziest shit. And then he would say to the puppet, "George, what the fuck are you saying? I can't believe you talk like that."

• 2:24:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, which is great. You got it out, but it's your hand. That's the... Oh, here we go, yeah. Dude, it's so funny.

• 2:24:14Joe Rogan?

  Dirtiest dozen, 1988.

• 2:24:16Speaker 01

  I love it. I love that this is on the internet.

• 2:24:50Speaker 07

  George, please, watch it, there are ladies here. There's ladies here? Blowjob! Protein slurpees, check it out!

• 2:24:58Speaker 01

  He's like a star to me.

• 2:24:59Speaker 07

  Who saw this movie? E.T. goes down!

• 2:25:04Speaker 07

  Blowjob! My girlfriend gave me skull last night. She did a good job. When she was done, my cock looked like a totem pole and her face looked like a glazed donut.

• 2:25:16Speaker 01

  I just love the idea, like, the premise is preposterous, but...

• 2:25:19Joe Rogan?

  You had to see him live. If you saw him live and you were in the room with him, it was so fun.

• 2:25:24Speaker 01

  And that, and that, that's a bit like, I know everyone talks about blowjobs now, but like, back at the time, that's pretty, like, edgy stuff, yeah.

• 2:25:30Joe Rogan?

  This is 88, right? So, he was a kind of a wild dude, and, you know, unfortunately, that kind of cost him a lot of substances.

• 2:25:38Speaker 01

  Oh, I see, wild that way.

• 2:25:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, a little off the rails, a little crazy.

• 2:25:42Speaker 01

  We had a guy, a couple of guys, these knuckleheads who lived in Seattle, but we looked up to them, because anyone that was, you know, any level was like an older brother or somebody in comedy was a big deal to us. And they did a thing called Robo. And he had his own MySpace page and everything, and it was just this terrible robot. It was a trash can that they just put a box head on, and they had like two buttons, like, it was on a race car kind of thing, so it could only spin, and the eyes would light up, and then when you hit like a thing, it would make his mouth make a little line of lights. And that guy would just be in the back, a comedian would be in the back, reading his jokes off the notepad. Well, oh, here it is, Robo! And the jokes were just so

• 2:26:21Speaker 01

  funny. His head would fall off sometimes, but he'd be like, "Why do women wear makeup and perfume? Because they're ugly and they stink!", and then he would like spin around.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  Let me hear some of it. ...to take a leak. I said, "Need to get that fixed."

• 2:26:38Speaker 01

  I can't understand it.

• 2:26:39Joe Rogan?

  No, shit. Someone in there offered me some cocaine. I said, "No thanks."

• 2:26:44Speaker 01

  Very wired, Gary. Just terrible shit, but like, yeah, you would just be like, why do women get their periods? Cause they deserve it. And then all you like spin around and people would leave. I mean, it's an open mic. It was not like, at least Autumn and George had like a sold out. This would be two guys just drunkenly having a good time with terrible jokes and putting it on the robot.

• 2:27:07Joe Rogan?

  That's actually a really good idea.

• 2:27:09Speaker 01

  So funny.

• 2:27:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's cool because you can get that robot to say things, just like you can get South Park to say things.

• 2:27:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27:13Joe Rogan?

  Cause they're not real people.

• 2:27:14Speaker 01

  Oh, it's not me in the back with a microphone. It's the robot. Yeah.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's Cartman.

• 2:27:18Speaker 01

  Right. Oh, it's so funny.

• 2:27:20Joe Rogan?

  It's not even a human. It's a big round thing.

• 2:27:21Speaker 01

  He said one time they got booked too, like, or actually like the first time someone tried to book them like, "Hey Rob O, we would love to have you at our venue." It's like, no, it's robo. Like, it's not like, it might've been an automated thing or something, but they thought it was so funny that someone tried to book them off of a video like that.

• 2:27:35Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:27:36Speaker 01

  I love that kind of stuff though.

• 2:27:37Joe Rogan?

  Well, somebody probably thought that was a real act.

• 2:27:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27:40Joe Rogan?

  You could take it somewhere.

• 2:27:41Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 2:27:41Joe Rogan?

  You probably could've. I mean, someone could easily do that.

• 2:27:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 2:27:46Joe Rogan?

  I mean, how hard is it to do?

• 2:27:47Speaker 01

  It's so funny.

• 2:27:48Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen that comedian on Kill Tony? What is the gentleman's name that has, um, he has some sort of a neurological condition where he can't talk. So he, he has a Bluetooth speaker.

• 2:27:56Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  And he does his jokes.

• 2:27:58Speaker 01

  I thought, I, I haven't seen him on Kill Tony, but.

• 2:28:00Speaker 03

  He's at the QS Comedy Club in like two weeks.

• 2:28:01Speaker 01

  Oh, that's hilarious.

• 2:28:02Speaker 03

  Calendar. It's Aaron Bileal's.

• 2:28:03Joe Rogan?

  Aaron Bileal. He's a very nice guy. Funny too.

• 2:28:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know. I've seen this guy on AGT or something.

• 2:28:09Joe Rogan?

  Right. That's what it was. It was on America's Got Talent.

• 2:28:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've seen him. I, uh, I almost did a thing after him. I had to follow him somewhere. I can't remember it was. Uh, but it was for like Louis J. Gomez. One of these shows where being mean is like, okay, you know?

• 2:28:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they were like.

• 2:28:26Joe Rogan?

  Encouraged.

• 2:28:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, it encouraged. It was like, Louis J's like, "You gotta tell your most fucked up joke first and then try to get out of the hole." And in my mind, I'm like, this sounds like a nightmare. Yeah, but they can tell us to do that. Yeah. And every comic made the same mistake where we, where we came out and went, we tried to get a, you know, we, you know, comics, we try to play, we try to get around the rules a little bit. I was going, he told us we had to say the most fucked up joke first. So we all did that kind of buffer. So it just didn't work for any of us. But, uh, that guy was before me. And so I thought about just recording into my phone like a thing and acting like I'm him as like my first thing and I was like this isn't gonna go over well, I'm just gonna, yeah.

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you didn't, that's, no one's gonna be on your side.

• 2:29:05Speaker 01

  Right. So, but I was like, I, I, you get a little more brave.

• 2:29:07Joe Rogan?

  What kind of balls? That guy has incredible balls to do that. He can barely walk, you know, can't move his arms well.

• 2:29:14Speaker 01

  Playing your hand.

• 2:29:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:15Speaker 01

  He's playing his hand.

• 2:29:16Joe Rogan?

  He's playing his hand.

• 2:29:17Speaker 01

  He's been dealt that.

• 2:29:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:18Speaker 01

  And he's making the fucking best of it.

• 2:29:20Joe Rogan?

  He's headlining Key West.

• 2:29:21Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. I love it.

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  That's a great example, playing your hand.

• 2:29:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, he didn't go, oh, this is bullshit, send me money.

• 2:29:27Joe Rogan?

  Do I have to piss so bad?

• 2:29:28Speaker 01

  What's up?

• 2:29:29Joe Rogan?

  I have to piss so bad. Should we wrap this up?

• 2:29:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's do it, dude.

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  Um, Last Cowboy.

• 2:29:33Speaker 01

  Yes, Last Cowboy in L.A. comes out today.

• 2:29:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, alright.

• 2:29:37Speaker 01

  It's out today, right? This comes out tomorrow?

• 2:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Where can people see it? Yeah.

• 2:29:40Speaker 01

  Um, yeah, so it comes out today, if you're hearing this. Uh, it's on, uh, Eight Hundred Pound Gorilla is the name of the production company, so like just go to YouTube, search Jeff Di, uh, Last Cowboy in L.A., you can find it.

• 2:29:50Joe Rogan?

  Hopefully you can search it. Hopefully YouTube doesn't fuck your algorithm.

• 2:29:54Speaker 01

  We'll see after some of the stuff.

• 2:29:55Joe Rogan?

  My Trump interview.

• 2:29:56Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, let's, can we watch this? Would that be alright?

• 2:29:58Speaker 03

  It's, I mean, technically it hasn't premiered yet.

• 2:30:00Speaker 01

  I know, but this is a little, this little trailer. Can we watch the trailer? Is that alright?

• 2:30:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, let's watch the trailer and we'll wrap this up. Everybody go see it.

• 2:30:06Speaker 01

  I hit rock bottom in Hollywood, California. That is a bad place for rock bottom, cause everyone is mean to you there. In Hollywood, everyone, my entire career, everybody in Hollywood's been like, you're not even famous. I've never heard of you, you're not famous, you're not even famous, you're not famous, I have never heard of you, you're not famous, you're not even famous. Right? And then I have one bad day and it's like, famous comedian crashes car, fights cop, I'm like, god damn it.

• 2:30:32Speaker 01

  Where'd you film this? Nashville. Yes, yes. Also, I, I, if I'm honest, I actually like trans women better than I like regular women. I do. Have you ever talked to a trans woman? They're great. They're like dudes. Just raw dogging life, you know?

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  Was this at Zany's?

• 2:30:54Speaker 01

  No, music venue.

• 2:31:02Speaker 01

  I like her, she likes naughty words. Probably not a smart subject to do on my first special, but you know. But to start at cancer.

• 2:31:11Joe Rogan?

  Alright.

• 2:31:12Speaker 01

  Last cowboy.

• 2:31:13Joe Rogan?

  Last cowboy.

• 2:31:14Speaker 01

  Check it out. Thanks for having me on, man. Appreciate you.

• 2:31:16Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.