S2E45: Casey Carter: The Teacher Who Started Hearing Her Student’s Thoughts | Talk Tracks

When neurodevelopmental teacher Casey Carter began working with a 12-year-old nonspeaking autistic student named Jed, she quickly realized there was far more happening beneath the surface than others could see. After helping him communicate through typing, Casey says she discovered that Jed could read her thoughts. Soon, she began hearing his thoughts back. In this episode, Casey shares the extraordinary connection that transformed her understanding of communication, consciousness, and reality. She and Ky explore telepathy, bilocation, altered experiences of time, spiritual realms, and what Jed has taught her about love, intention, and the abilities we may all carry within us. Casey also shares the story behind Converging Hearts https://www.converginghearts.com/ (https://www.converginghearts.com/), the creative space she and Jed are building for nonspeaking adults to communicate, create, and be fully understood. _______ Join The Telepathy Tapes Backstage Pass https://thetelepathytapes.supercast.com/ to get ad-free episodes, never-before-heard interviews, behind-the-scenes documentary footage, and access to our private Discord community. This is your invitation to come closer. To help shape what’s next. To be more than a listener… to be a co-creator of this paradigm shift. So if you’ve felt moved, if you’ve felt seen, if you’ve felt the call, subscribe today and join us: thetelepathytapes.com. https://thetelepathytapes.com/ _______ Thank you to our sponsors! Alloy http://myalloy.com/ - Try the original estrogen-powered M4 skincare from Alloy. Visit myalloy.com http://myalloy.com/ and use code TAPES for $20 off your first order! BiOptimizers https://bioptimizers.com/tapes - Make this the year you finally get your sleep, your energy, and yourself back. Get 15% off at bioptimizers.com/tapes https://bioptimizers.com/tapes when you use my code, TAPES. Boll & Branch https://www.bollandbranch.com/?utm_source=veritone&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=The+Telepathy+Tapes&utm_content=TAPES - Upgrade your sleep. Get 15% off your first order plus free shipping at Bollandbranch.com/tapes https://www.bollandbranch.com/?utm_source=veritone&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=The+Telepathy+Tapes&utm_content=TAPES with code TAPES. Fabletics http://fabletics.com/tapes - Shop now at Fabletics.com/tapes http://fabletics.com/tapes to get 70- 80% off everything when you sign up as a new VIP. Ka'Chava https://kachava.com/ - Go to kachava.com https://kachava.com/ and use code TAPES for 15% off your first order. Luminara https://www.luminara.care/ - If you’re curious about energy healing and ready to experience it for yourself, Luminara is offering 20% off your first session for listeners of The Telepathy Tapes. Just go to luminara.care https://www.luminara.care/ and use code TAPES20. One Skin https://www.oneskin.co/TAPES - Get 15% off OneSkin with the code TAPES at https://www.oneskin.co/TAPES #oneskinpod. Quince https://www.quince.com/tapes - Elevate your summer wardrobe. Go to Quince.com/tapes https://www.quince.com/tapes for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:03Ky Dickens?

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• 0:59Ky Dickens?

  If you want to see our incredible guests in person, we have a video version of this episode on the Telepathy Tapes YouTube page. Today, we have a very special person, Casey Carter, who was a neurodevelopmental teacher when she discovered that one of her students had telepathy. And Casey, your story was so significant in my journey personally, and I just want to share it with people. Because like I was maybe two and a half, three years into this whole journey already like, you know, basically the story was like complete, you know, I think in terms of what we were doing. And then someone forwarded me, I don't even know how I found it, a YouTube video of you, completely in the shadows,

• 1:41Ky Dickens?

  talking about the fact that one of your students could read minds and was jumping into your thoughts and that you were starting to hear him back. And watching the video, I could tell that you thought you were all alone in this, that no one else in the world was going through this, that your experience was a singular experience. And you felt really scared sharing it, which is why you were in the shadows. And as I listened to you speak, it was everything I'd heard from other teachers, other parents, and it was so affirming because for me personally, as I was going through this journey, no matter how much corroboration there was, not just around the country, but around the world, I'd always think, could this possibly be true? Could this possibly be true? And like, it was in one of those moments where it just, again, like I was just like,

• 2:26Ky Dickens?

  how on earth is this real? Where there you were, like alone out there, thinking, I'm a teacher, I'm witnessing this. And there was so much corroboration happening for you. And I remember writing you, saying like, you're not alone. And I think you were terrified to talk to me, you were like, I didn't, no one should, ah! And so, I want everyone to hear your story. So take us back to where you were working when you met Jed, the student who I think I can fairly say changed your life.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Yes, yeah, see, my life will never be the same. It's kind of crazy, it just overnight kind of flipped upside down in the best way. So I was a teacher at a school, it was a private school, for mostly kids with autism, severe autism. And I'd been there for a few years and I'd worked with every kind of student that there was. And the school was a great school, the kids are treated really well. But there was not a ton of emphasis on getting them the communication. Like, we didn't letterboard there. And if there was a letterboard, like the parents had to come in and train the teachers.

• 3:39Speaker 02

  So, started working with Jed. And like, I just had this feeling that I needed to help him. And I'm like, I don't know how to help him, like, God help me, help him! And I was looking at this kid, he was 12 when we started working together. And it's like, he couldn't sit still. He was like, just kind of having difficult days. And it's almost like he was trying to crawl out of his skin. That's what I kept like thinking, like, he can't even stay in his body. Like, I just had that thought, like, he just looked so uncomfortable. And, but I could tell that he was very smart and we just like clicked.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  So, one day, I just looked at him and I was like, Jed, I'm gonna help you. I'm gonna figure out how to help you communicate and we're gonna get you what you need. So, I was just improvising and I pulled out his iPad one day. And I was like, I know you're really smart and I know that you know yes and no. So, I opened his Notes app and I was like, you can, I can ask you yes and no and you can tell me, you can answer the questions that way.

• 4:47Ky Dickens?

  And so, you would ask him a question and he'd write yes or he'd hit yes?

• 4:50Speaker 02

  No, he, so, when the first time, he taught me how to spell with him. Because I held the iPad up and I was gonna help him do it independently, or try to, you know? He immediately grabbed my hand with his and pointed his finger, like he was grounding himself, and typed. And I was like, oh, okay, this is great, right? So, we did yes and no questions for a little bit. And then I was like, we're gonna see how many words you know? Like, how many words can you spell? So I grabbed this thousand-word list and we did a few words each day and he spelled every single word correctly. And I was like, okay, well, you know how to spell.

• 5:34Speaker 02

  And it was really strange because at the school, everybody's like, how does he know how to spell? I'm like, I don't know, but he is, so we're just gonna go with it. And after he had a way to truly express himself, I just saw like a change in him. He was calmer, we were having like really good days every day. And I started going through a spiritual awakening. I kind of realized that like they were all in there and they just didn't have a way to express themselves. He was telling us things like what he wanted to do over the weekend. And like, everybody was really blown away, but there wasn't a lot of questioning. We just went with it, right?

• 6:17Speaker 02

  They're like, oh, he's happy, let's go for it.

• 6:20Ky Dickens?

  And would you tell his mom, okay, he's telling us what he wants to do over the weekend?

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, we would send home notes. He would, it was in his iPad, so I'd be, I'd write in the journal, like, he typed in his iPad that he wants to play soccer this weekend, or he wants hamburgers for dinner, or whatever.

• 6:37Ky Dickens?

  So cool, so everything was being, he was typing into the iPad since there weren't letterboards, so you had a record of it or could take a picture?

• 6:42Speaker 02

  Yes, and he was, he did have other teachers at that time. So he was spelling with other teachers too, in the same way. Like, he grabbed their hand and pointed and spelled.

• 6:52Ky Dickens?

  Did you have any doubt it was him authoring his thoughts?

• 6:54Speaker 02

  No, no doubt at all, because, I mean, you can feel him moving his hand. It's all him, so I had no doubt ever. None of the other teachers had any doubt.

• 7:08Speaker 02

  So we did that for a few months and we, I was getting to know him. He told me, like, we would ask him, what do you want to, what do you want to be? He wanted, he wants to be an author. He told me he wanted to be a policeman one time.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  So very interesting stuff. And then, um, so, this is kind of where, like, I had a lot going on in my personal life. I don't know what was going on in his life, except we were seeing improvements at school and at home. And that was really great. But I had gone through what I call a spiritual reckoning. So I had this really tough weekend where I was like, dealing with emotional things and like, just praying to like, God show me. Like, I, I feel, I just felt like I had a purpose and I didn't know what it was. And like, every choice I made in my life, even like the very best ones, it just still wasn't quite right for me.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  So I was really seeking guidance to figure out what I'm supposed to be doing. And I prayed to God on a Sunday night to show me what I was supposed to be doing and to use me for his good. And the very next day, I found out that Jed was telepathic. And I was like, okay.

• 8:33Ky Dickens?

  Wow, wow.

• 8:34Speaker 02

  I hear you, God! It just started with, like, he, okay, so before this, before my prayer, before I figured out he could read me, the week before that, he found out, he was very emotional, he was like crying all day. And we were like, what's wrong? Like, what's going on with you? And he spelled that he was sad that his other teacher, who was a male, was leaving him to go to a different part of the school. And everybody was curious how he knew that because we didn't tell them. So we were like, how did he know? Like, did he hear us talking about it? Like, but we didn't talk about it in front of him? So we were just all kind of like, hmm, that's weird.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  So we went straight to his cubby and I, like, we didn't, he didn't even have his backpack off. I was like, you, you're gonna spell for me, you know? And I was like, can you tell me the word that I'm thinking? And he spelled it immediately, it was space. That was the word. And I was like, what? Like, this is crazy. So, I was like, maybe it's a fluke, maybe I was guiding his hand. And I asked him again and again and again. And every word that I thought, he typed it out. And then I was like, okay, this is incredible. I was like, obviously you can read my mind. So I started asking him, like, do you have to be in the room with me? Do you have, like, is there a distance barrier? Just all these little things I was curious about.

• 10:00Ky Dickens?

  What'd he say?

• 10:01Speaker 02

  He said, there is no distance that he cannot read somebody.

• 10:05Ky Dickens?

  Meaning like you were hearing him telepathically?

• 10:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 10:07Ky Dickens?

  Did you hear his voice or was it like the message just coming through in your brain?

• 10:11Speaker 02

  So when I hear him, it sounds, it sounds like my inner voice. It sounds like if I'm like making a grocery list in my head or talking to myself, it sounds the same. But there's like a feeling that comes along with it and I know it's not me. Like, I'm not thinking this.

• 10:30Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 10:30Speaker 02

  You know?

• 10:31Ky Dickens?

  So, and, and during the time that you're discovering this budget, it sounds like you were testing it all week, like testing, testing.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  Yes. So I was like, I'm gonna see if there's a, a boundary here, you know? So we did all of his schoolwork. I would just think it and he would spell it. So if we were doing processing, which is like saying three items, for instance, and then they have to repeat it back to you. Um, I would just think them and he would spell them. We did all of his work telepathically, but it was very one-sided at this point.

• 11:02Ky Dickens?

  Meaning he could only read your mind at this point?

• 11:04Speaker 02

  Yes. I, yeah, I didn't even think that it was possible for me to be able to do that.

• 11:11Ky Dickens?

  So just so the audience can keep up, because this is one of the coolest things that I discovered in my journey was that teachers, even more than parents, eventually started to hear their students' thoughts back and could have two-way telepathy, which is like the most mind-boggling thing. And you're one of those teachers. So I just wanted to put that out, that's coming. And same with by location. I know we just skated right by that, but that's all coming too. So.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:32Ky Dickens?

  Okay. So at this point, you've tested him, you're doing homework with him in, or not, or schoolwork with him.

• 11:40Ky Dickens?

  Did he say whether or not he preferred telepathic like communication over spoken word from you?

• 11:44Speaker 02

  Um, I don't think during that time I asked him if that was a preference, but I kind of learned very quickly that he would rather just use telepathy than the spelling, because that's a lot harder for him. It's very easy for him to send a thought to me. It's really hard for him to stay in his body, focus on the board, which is also a reason he uses, like, holds my hand. It grounds him energetically, but also he can see through my eyes.

• 12:17Ky Dickens?

  Wow. Okay. So you start hearing what he's about to spell out before he spells it?

• 12:23Speaker 02

  Yes. And it's actually, this month is the five-year anniversary of when I discovered his abilities.

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• 16:22Speaker 02

  I was like, what else can you do? Like, this cannot be the only thing, you know? He said he could see angels and demons. He can see the past and the future. He can astral project and that timing is his thing. Like, those were the, the list of, of gifts that he told to me.

• 16:41Ky Dickens?

  And for someone who doesn't know what astral projection is, what does that mean?

• 16:44Speaker 02

  It is traveling outside of your body.

• 16:47Ky Dickens?

  Okay.

• 16:47Speaker 02

  Through, I mean, I don't know exactly what it is, but it's your consciousness projecting to different locations.

• 16:54Ky Dickens?

  Okay. Now, did you ask him to show you what that means and what did he do?

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Yes. So, okay, so I used to describe it as like, I felt like I was in a bubble. Like, we were in the same bubble together, but we were obviously still in our seats. And then I heard somebody talk about an experience they had and they said that they felt really big. And I was like, that's what it felt like. I felt really big. I felt like I was filling up our cubby. And I was in my body, but I was also like above us. It was very strange and it was only for like a second or two, like a moment. And then it kind of like leveled out.

• 17:35Ky Dickens?

  And that was the first time it ever happened?

• 17:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 17:37Ky Dickens?

  So you had like a visceral reaction the first time it happened?

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Now, I, I have a lot of theories about what that was, but I, I do know that in some way, I'm not scientific, so I could not explain this, but we like merged our consciousness and we became connected on like a completely different level.

• 17:59Ky Dickens?

  Wow. Okay. So then, did you start hearing him only when he was beside you?

• 18:05Speaker 02

  Um, no. I heard him, so after that, when I was like, okay, I'm hearing you. This is really weird. I kind of thought when I go home, like, I won't hear him anymore, but it was like constant. I was, he was like talking to me like 24/7 almost.

• 18:24Ky Dickens?

  About what?

• 18:25Speaker 02

  Um, everything, about what he wanted to do, about how excited he was, like how our lives are gonna be different. Or just, you know, chit-chat, small talk. Like, I'd be cooking dinner and he's just like, oh, that looks good. Well, you know, just like constantly talking to me.

• 18:44Ky Dickens?

  And was it boyish? Like, you know, because I think of, I have like a six-year-old boy who's like, he likes living with a coyote. He's like, always everywhere. I'm spasmastic, you know, like, did it feel like that? Like, did it have boy energy that was like excited and?

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it had very, I would say, very pre-teen energy. But he's also extremely intelligent, like more so than me. And he's very.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  Well, he's become very mature too. So it's like, it's kind of a spectrum. Like, we'd get really excited and then he's just like, you know, the juvenile, like, innocent excitement and then very philosophical, um, intelligent conversations.

• 19:30Ky Dickens?

  When he was talking about like what you were making for dinner and stuff, so it wasn't that he was just popping into your mind. He was seeing what you were doing.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 19:38Ky Dickens?

  How? How did he say he could do that?

• 19:40Speaker 02

  Well, I just knew that he was tapped into me in some way, but he also told me that he's always with me. So when I, when I say that our consciousness like merged, it's like he just gained some kind of access to me. Where he's just always with me. I don't know how else to explain it. But like, I can ask him anything about this trip that I'm on right now and he would be able to spell it.

• 20:08Ky Dickens?

  Wow.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  So, okay, let's back up. So, okay, so you're doing schoolwork. You haven't told anyone yet.

• 20:13Ky Dickens?

  When did you tell his mom and when did you tell the principal?

• 20:17Speaker 02

  Okay, so that whole week, we were just testing and I was like, okay, this is incredible. Do you, what do you want to do? Do you want to go to the school? Do you want me to tell your mom? Because I, as a mother myself, I was like, there's, that's the only way forward is to tell his mom, right?

• 20:34Ky Dickens?

  Mm-hmm.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  And he was like, yes, absolutely. So I texted her that Friday. Um, and I was like, this is gonna sound strange, but after you picked Jed up, could you come by my house? And she was like, yeah, of course. She's very sweet. And like, you know, she just went with it. So they came by and he was gonna spell for her, but he was so nervous that he couldn't like stand still. So I was like, I'll just tell you what he is trying to tell you. I was like, you know how you said you think he's psychic sometimes? I was like, he actually is and he can read minds and he's been reading me all week. And I just told her everything that he had shared with me, how we were doing his schoolwork telepathically.

• 21:21Speaker 02

  And she immediately was just like, I knew he was special. Like she had some tears come up and she was like, I knew that he was special.

• 21:31Ky Dickens?

  Were you so relieved?

• 21:33Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:33Ky Dickens?

  Because that conversation could have gone very differently.

• 21:36Speaker 02

  Yes, it could have. It could have. But I just trusted Jed and that's what he wanted to do, so.

• 21:44Ky Dickens?

  He must have known it. She'd be receptive.

• 21:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I mean, after this, she's like telling me all these stories. Well, this one time he did this and this one time this happened. And she's like, it makes so much sense now. And then she was like, well, do we need to tell the school? And I was like, and he typed out, yes, we need to tell them. So she called and asked for a meeting with the founder and we had a meeting the next Thursday. Right when we walked in, it was kind of like I kind of took control. And I think some of that was him, because I, I can channel Jed and like, he uses my body to, like, I'll be talking to somebody and then I'll just say something.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  And it's like, oh, that was Jed. Jed wanted me to say that, you know? So we walk in and it's kind of clear that I'm like running the, the meeting here. And first I gave my notice, which was kind of weird because I wasn't expecting that. And I was like, you know, before we tell you why we're here, I just want you to know I'm not, Jed said I'm not coming back, so. Figure that out.

• 22:52Ky Dickens?

  What? So you weren't planning on quitting? You didn't want to quit?

• 22:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 22:55Ky Dickens?

  But Jed told you, you had to?

• 22:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:57Ky Dickens?

  Give your notice?

• 22:58Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 22:58Ky Dickens?

  And you just went with it?

• 22:59Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:00Ky Dickens?

  And you could hear him during this whole meeting?

• 23:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 23:02Ky Dickens?

  Oh, my goodness. Okay. So then what happens? You're sitting with the principal.

• 23:06Speaker 02

  I put in my notice and then I was like, um, you know, we're here because I discovered, I've been spelling with Jed. I wasn't sure if she knew that we were spelling together. So I explained that and I was like, I found out last week that Jed could read my thoughts. He could hear me. And I was like, I found out a lot of other things too. Like he's, can see the past and the future. And I just kind of gave her the little spiel. And she, she kind of smirked at me, which I was not expecting. I thought she was gonna ask me questions and be like, oh, this is incredible. Like, what else can he do?

• 23:49Speaker 02

  But she just kind of smirked and she said, I thought that's why you wanted to see us.

• 23:54Ky Dickens?

  So she'd heard this before?

• 23:56Speaker 02

  Apparently. And then she told us, we have a secret file of kids like Jed that can do what he does. And.

• 24:06Ky Dickens?

  Wait, so the school had a secret file of kids who were telepathic?

• 24:09Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 24:09Ky Dickens?

  That they knew about?

• 24:10Speaker 02

  Yes. And apparently they had, she told, she told me that we have a kid out in California that can tell us who at the school has these gifts.

• 24:22Speaker 02

  And at the time, because we had other things to discuss, like, it was shocking, but it kind of just, I just breezed past it. I was like, oh, so you know, okay. And then didn't really think about it till after we left the school. And I was like, hold on a minute, like they have a secret list. They already know this. Like, why aren't they telling? I couldn't understand why they wouldn't tell the parents. This is when I experienced the gatekeeping, uh, to begin with, so.

• 24:52Ky Dickens?

  Wow.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:54Ky Dickens?

  Because so many teachers have experienced this type of thing.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 24:58Ky Dickens?

  Wow. Okay, so you put in your notice. What did you do for work?

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Uh, well, he said that I was gonna homeschool him.

• 25:05Ky Dickens?

  Jed did?

• 25:06Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm. And I kind of, I looked at his mom and I was like, Jed's, I'm gonna homeschool him. And she was like, okay. So it was like in a, in a moment, that was decided and it just, we went with it.

• 25:22Ky Dickens?

  So, okay, so you leave, you start homeschooling, um, Jed. So maybe tell us about bilocation and maybe you could talk about how your journey unfolded and what you've learned since about Jed?

• 25:34Speaker 02

  All right, so bilocation, essentially, the way I understand it is being in two places at once, right? Being in your physical body and then also being somewhere else. That was pretty clear that he was doing that.

• 25:47Ky Dickens?

  How come?

• 25:48Speaker 02

  So I was walking on a trail before we left the school and I ran a, uh, I started a bakery program there. So I would leave Jed and we'd go bake and then I would come back to him. And I had these garlic knots in a bowl. I was gonna bring him some. And I like tripped while I was on the trail and I dropped all of them on the ground. And he like knew that whole experience. I was like, well, what just happened to me? And he was like, oh, you dropped my treat on your way back here. And it was just a lot of that. A lot of like, I wasn't really even thinking about what happened. It's like he experienced it with me because he knew exactly what I was doing, where I was, what happened.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  Here's a good example. I was at my house. My kids were asleep. It was like nine o'clock at night and my husband works late, so he wasn't there. And I was sitting on my couch and I was just chit chatting with Jed. And he had told.

• 26:50Ky Dickens?

  In your minds?

• 26:50Speaker 02

  In my mind, yes. And he was like, yeah, I'm always with you. I already told you that, you know? So I was like, well, if you're here, if you, if your astral body is here in my house, like where are you? Because I don't see him. I'm like looking, you know, like maybe I'll have some spiritual eyesight come up. I don't know. And out of the corner of my eye, the chandelier in my dining room just started swinging, like from the ceiling to the ceiling, just like big swings out of nowhere. And he was like, I'm over here. And I was like, what? Like he did that. He pushed the chandelier.

• 27:31Ky Dickens?

  Wow.

• 27:32Speaker 02

  He was at his home asleep, but he was at my house.

• 27:36Ky Dickens?

  And how many times has he impacted your physical world like that?

• 27:38Speaker 02

  Um, it used to happen more. Uh, I mean, I probably couldn't count. Um, there have been times where like he's asked me to send a message to somebody, like a text message. And I would be typing it and I would be overthinking it. And he would just make my thumb like press the send button.

• 27:58Ky Dickens?

  Really?

• 27:58Speaker 02

  Yes. Or like I'll be.

• 28:02Ky Dickens?

  And you'd feel like you'd feel it?

• 28:04Speaker 02

  Yes. Yeah. Like somebody took my thumb and did that.

• 28:09Ky Dickens?

  Dang. That's scary. Is it, was it scary?

• 28:12Speaker 02

  No, because I trust him. Now, if it was somebody else.

• 28:15Ky Dickens?

  Right.

• 28:15Speaker 02

  Uh, I would probably not. And I, I, I talked to him about like, you know, that's probably not best. You're like, you probably shouldn't do that. That's might be crossing some lines. It took him a while to realize like, yeah, I guess I shouldn't.

• 28:31Ky Dickens?

  So you really had to figure out those boundaries together?

• 28:33Speaker 02

  Yes. I was like, I, this is overwhelming. Like you, you're gonna have to give me a break. Like when I'm with my family, like you're gonna have to be quiet. And he was like, you know, I get that. I'm sorry. And I, like, he was just so excited.

• 28:50Ky Dickens?

  Okay, so now let's go for it. I wanna know what came next. The, cuz you told me a story once that I think our listeners would really be excited by.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, one of his, uh, gifts, well, a talent and a spiritual gift is that he can spin things really well. So he started spinning when he was like very little. He would get his mom's like biggest pot out of the kitchen or pan and like spin it. And he'll, she has videos of him like laying on his back and just like spinning this big pan like it's a basketball.

• 29:20Ky Dickens?

  On one finger?

• 29:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, on one finger and with one hand, like get it going. It's very impressive. Um, but he's told me because he can see the energy that's created by the spin. And he can manipulate that energy. He uses it, um, to time travel or open portals or close portals.

• 29:43Ky Dickens?

  And where do the portals go?

• 29:45Speaker 02

  I don't know. Not here. Somewhere that's not here.

• 29:49Ky Dickens?

  So like other realms?

• 29:51Speaker 02

  Like other realms, other dimensions. Yeah.

• 29:54Ky Dickens?

  And he never talks about what he sees that in those other dimensions?

• 29:57Speaker 02

  Some of them are just like this one, but different, you know, like, uh, like, like this earth realm. And then some might be like, uh, what you would describe as a different planet. Um, but just a different place than this.

• 30:15Ky Dickens?

  And he says he can do that by harnessing energy?

• 30:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:18Ky Dickens?

  And did you, would you have believed in any of that a few years ago?

• 30:21Speaker 02

  No.

• 30:22Ky Dickens?

  I mean, it sounds so unbelievable, but this is what's so interesting is the only other people I've heard about bilocation from portals. You know, um, oh, time travel, some of the things you've talked about are educators, speech patho- pathologists. Like people in the education space who are working with non-speakers and none of them would have believed any of this until, you know, their students are talking about. Now with time travel, does he say where he goes and why?

• 30:53Speaker 02

  Um, sometimes he needs to go in the past, uh, to know what to do in the future, I guess. Like back to the future. I don't know.

• 31:02Ky Dickens?

  But he, he'll talk about it, just like.

• 31:04Speaker 02

  So here's the thing, in the very beginning, he would tell me what he was working on. But he very quickly, like if he told me something that I found scary and I would pray about it, it would affect the timeline and not always in a great way, like it would mess him up. So, um, then he would have to work double time to get the same outcome or whatever. So he learned that like I don't actually need to know and it's best if I don't know exactly what he's doing all the time. Because our intention and our thoughts are so powerful that we, we affect everything.

• 31:46Ky Dickens?

  What does he say about time? Does, what is, has he talked about time?

• 31:50Speaker 02

  So, you know, he is able to go outside of time and space. So he can be in a place that may feel like he's been there for 10 years, but it's like 10 seconds here.

• 32:05Ky Dickens?

  Wow.

• 32:06Speaker 02

  And he also is like constantly in a dream state. It's like he's always dreaming cuz when he's asleep, he's talking to me. We used to do his schoolwork while he was asleep and I would be on like the computer. And he would just give me the answers and I'd put them in. So it's like, honestly, the communication is probably easier when he's asleep. Because when he's awake, it's just one more place that he's like processing being in.

• 32:34Ky Dickens?

  So when you guys first converged and all of a sudden you could start hearing him, you could feel, like, do you think you were just feeling energy because your consciousness expanded? Or do you think, cuz I, I've heard so many non-speakers who have a praxia say it feels like electric shocks are going through their body?

• 32:49Speaker 02

  Yes, I think I was feeling his constant state. Like I was feeling this like vibration, like internally. It's like I, it was like a buzzing, like in my whole body and it wouldn't stop. And I couldn't eat and I couldn't sleep. I was happy and excited, but I'm like, something is going on with me.

• 33:10Ky Dickens?

  Do you think, this would be tricky for me as a mom cuz I would want this connection with my child. Like, how is it for his mom?

• 33:18Speaker 02

  Um, well, I think first of all, she's grateful that he found somebody, right? That he could connect with because now she gets to know who her son really is. But I know that there is like this longing for her to connect with him also. But what I'm learning along the way through my own journey and like listening to other parents is that like they do have a connection. And Jed and I, like I was hearing him before I knew I was hearing him and all this is retrospection. But like I was hearing my kids, like when you have a child,

• 33:58Speaker 02

  I think telepathic, tele- telepathy begins when we begin, like that's just a natural form of communication. But we don't always have the mind to mind, which is what people are expecting. But when you, when you have your little baby and they need to eat or whatever, you know what they need. And it's because they're communicating that with you and I, they do have that relationship. And he does communicate with her. It's just not in the same way. It's not in the mind to mind, but they are connected. And I just try to remind her of that, you know, that like you are, it's just in a different way.

• 34:36Ky Dickens?

  I also think for parents, we have so much at stake often that there's so much pressure we put on that relationship or just that you don't even realize. And I've used this example before, like I'll be watching like one of my son's basketball games, for instance. And they're six, so everyone's running around going the wrong way. And it's like, oh, so cute. But then when my son starts running the wrong way, I'm like, oh no, oh, you know, and it's like such a big deal to me. And I get so upset and so anxious about like what's gonna happen.

• 35:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:02Ky Dickens?

  And I can just delight in everyone else's kid when they stop playing and they're mad and walk off the court. But when it's my son, I'm like dying, you know?

• 35:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:09Ky Dickens?

  And so I think that we put a lot of like such pressure and energy into our own children and our experience of them. That I've even met parents who can't spell to communicate with their child because of the anxiousness of like, I, I want them to do it. I want them to, you know?

• 35:24Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 35:25Ky Dickens?

  And, and of course, that's all out of love. It's, it's not, it's all out of love. Um, but I do think there's like a special relationship and you could tell me more than I can postulate here. But it does seem with teachers, there's a special relationship because there's not as much pressure on it where you can just receive non-speakers' telepathy easier.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  Yes, I, so with my own children, I don't have this, you know, mind to mind connection. And I probably never will because when I'm caring for them, I'm cooking dinner and I'm cleaning the house. And I'm making sure they get to soccer practice and, you know, all the things. It's a mental load that you can't easily drop when you're with your kids. But with Jed, we were trained to be with them, to be present with them, to not, you know, be on our phones or be distracted that like when you're with that student, you're fully present with them. And that I think is, was the catalyst or that's what kind of opened the door to this.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  Because when I was with him, I wasn't thinking about, you know, home life, family life. I was just on the job and also I was very interested after we started spelling into what he was gonna say. So I just was like blank slate and just waiting for him.

• 36:49Ky Dickens?

  What are some of the more remarkable things he's told you about himself or his desires? Or even maybe this non-physical world that have been surprising to you?

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Oh, man. Um, there's been so much, like the way I viewed the world before and after, just completely opposite. He has told me that like the spiritual realms where he operates are more real than what we experience. Which is like hard to understand because this is very real and we can feel and smell and see and taste. But he's like, it's what I experience outside of this physical experiences is what's actually real, you know?

• 37:33Ky Dickens?

  Wow.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  Um, so that was a big one for me to understand and I'm still trying to get there, you know? But he introduced, um, like simulation theory. Like I've learned so much about like reality or maybe not learned, but I've explored so many facets of reality because I'm like. What is this place that like this is possible? This is, we're not living in the world that like I was told it was, you know?

• 38:01Ky Dickens?

  Does he talk about like living multiple lives?

• 38:04Speaker 02

  He has before said that like our, like we are in a like a soul group. And we've traveled together and we've been close for many lifetimes. And he, that's like in the beginning, that's what he told me, that we've like in the past, in past lives, we were with each other in some capacity.

• 38:31Ky Dickens?

  And how did that? I mean, it's such a, I've heard so many non-speakers talk about past lives. And the first time I heard it, it was like a cognitive dissidence that exploded my world open. Cause I was like, I want to have my one marriage right now, my, my two children right now, my one life I'm living. And this one life feels so precious that it was so like off the grid of anything I'd ever heard. So when you heard that, like growing up in, I would imagine like the very Christian sound, like how did you take that?

• 38:58Speaker 02

  Well, I think like I had heard about reincarnation and I always kind of believed in it. Like since I heard it, it never made sense to me. Like even growing up in a church and hearing the stories, um, it didn't make a lot of sense to me that we only had this one shot. You know, to get it right, like that never sat well. So when I heard about what reincarnation was, it just made so much sense that I just believed it before I met Jed.

• 39:31Ky Dickens?

  So he had said, you guys have been together in a past life, but he didn't say which, which like relationship it was?

• 39:37Speaker 02

  No, he, he said many lives. So we've probably experienced like the, any dynamic of relationship that exists.

• 39:49Ky Dickens?

  So wild.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, but I mean, that, that goes for my kids and my husband. Like we all have been together in our little group.

• 39:58Ky Dickens?

  And so what else has he told you about reality that maybe has changed you?

• 40:04Speaker 02

  Well, um, first, when he was telling me about angels and demons, that was a big shift.

• 40:11Ky Dickens?

  That would terrify me.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  That was like, you know, top three of like shocks.

• 40:17Ky Dickens?

  What did he even mean by that? Like how present or like, okay, yeah, explain that.

• 40:21Speaker 02

  Okay. So he just said that he sees angels and demons. So they visit him, right? So beings come to him. Um, he, he's talked to me about what his actual job is here, not in great detail, other than like the timing thing where it's, his gift is being able to locate a timeline, follow that timeline and make sure events happen when they are supposed to. That's like as far as I understand what he's doing. I don't really know, like there may be somebody out there that gets it.

• 40:57Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 40:58Speaker 02

  I'm like, are all of these timelines like happening at once? Like what, what do you mean? I don't know. It's just so different from what I grew up being told, what I believed reality was that we're on a rock flying through space. Like I don't think any of that's real anymore, which is crazy. But my reality shifted so much that probably for the first year I thought I might be crazy.

• 41:37Ky Dickens?

  I mean, he has more or less explained that this is not the real reality. It's almost like a simulation theory that we live in multiple lives. But what would Jed say about God in this?

• 41:48Speaker 02

  Um, well, the message that he spelled was God is real and God is love. And love is the ultimate truth.

• 41:57Ky Dickens?

  I love that.

• 41:59Speaker 02

  I asked him if I have an angel and he said, everybody has an angel. Some people have more angels than others. He said, I have 22.

• 42:08Ky Dickens?

  Oh wow.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  That are always around me, which is nice to know because like it helps me not be afraid now, knowing that. Like he has angels that help him and they come to him when he, in times of need, right? Um, when his grandmother passed away, we were there and he saw angels come and take her.

• 42:32Ky Dickens?

  And you don't think it's metaphorical, like you, he sees this?

• 42:34Speaker 02

  Yes, he sees this for sure. But it can be metaphorical, just like a demon could be something he sees or something he feels. An angel is, would be the same way, I, I think.

• 42:47Ky Dickens?

  Anything else that he has said that could be fascinating or interesting or important to know or for people?

• 42:54Speaker 02

  I think the most important thing is just that we are all special and everybody, not everybody understands that. And that we all have the ability to like build a better world. And that's like probably the most important thing that he's shown me because I have put him on a pedestal. Like he's like, he sees more than us, like he's so powerful, he can do all of these things. I mean, he's told me he can be in five places at one time. That's pretty incredible. But he thinks that I'm incredible, you know? Because what I have that he doesn't, and what we all do,

• 43:35Speaker 02

  is the ability to use our physical bodies in this physical realm to create change and to build the world that we want to see. And that's so important. And I think that people don't realize like how our thoughts affect our reality, how our reality is a mirror of our inner world. And once we get a hold of our inner world and we start to heal the parts of ourselves that need healing, our, whether it's like from our childhood or from adulthood or whatever it is, as we heal and become aligned with our soul purpose, we have so much power in the physical realm.

• 44:15Ky Dickens?

  And so there's no way that you're, you will ever be like come untethered from him, right? Like.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  I, I don't know. I hope not. I hope, I really hope not.

• 44:26Ky Dickens?

  And how do your kids and husband respond to this?

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Okay, so my kids are just now starting to understand Jed and I's dynamic. And I, they've like overheard conversations and my son will be like, you're telepathic? What does that mean? And I'd explain that and he's like, oh, and then he'll ask me a question about Jed. And I'm like, oh, well, you know, answer it. And he's like, well, did he just tell you that?

• 44:55Speaker 02

  So he's starting to understand that like I can communicate with him at a distance. They love Jed, like they have like a special bond.

• 45:04Ky Dickens?

  From your perspective, how common is telepathy in these gifts with non-speakers?

• 45:10Speaker 02

  I mean, I think all of them can do it, but I've also, I mean, don't get on Reddit. You'll second guess your whole life. But I mean, there are supposedly non-speakers who say themselves that they don't have these abilities. So I don't want to speak for them if that's what they're saying. But I haven't met one that I don't think could do this or that I haven't felt a connection with like that.

• 45:40Ky Dickens?

  Yeah. And it is hard because like the word all is so like, no one can say, speak for everyone.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 45:45Ky Dickens?

  But from your experience and, and now meeting more parents and teachers, like, is it something that you feel like more people are talking about and realizing?

• 45:53Speaker 02

  Yes, I, well, I think the telepathy tapes has done so much. Well, I know that it has like really opened the space where we can talk about this. And like, maybe they didn't know what it was until they heard somebody else talking about it.

• 46:09Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 46:10Speaker 02

  But it's growing very quickly. The awareness and the ability, like the belief in their abilities.

• 46:19Ky Dickens?

  And final question, do you think many of us who aren't apraxic or severely autistic, have these gifts latent inside that we could tap into? Like you being able to hear him back is so remarkable to me. I can't imagine that, except for in dreams. I think that's.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:35Ky Dickens?

  Commonly where at least I feel like I receive things from non-speakers. But, um, do you think it's in everyone or most of us?

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Yes, I think that these gifts have been buried under lots of trauma and, um, disbelief that, you know, we're just not taught about these things. So if you look at a kid, like they're experiencing world in a very different way. And then they grow up and they kind of lose that connection, but it's still there. Does, if that makes sense, like I think we can all do this, but it takes. The right circumstances, you know.

• 47:16Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, or someone to help.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  Yes, or help.

• 47:19Ky Dickens?

  Say you can.

• 47:20Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 47:21Ky Dickens?

  I want to ask for any closing thoughts, but also I want you to talk about Converging Hearts.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  Okay, so Converging Hearts, I realized that like I can't stay in this role with him as a caregiver forever. He's maturing and he's getting well and he doesn't need as much support. So it's like the financial strain on a family that's paying a caregiver full time is great. And I was like, I just, you know, they can't keep this up forever. So how do we continue to work together? How do you keep me and I keep you? Um, but I still get paid because I have to make a living, right? So we had this idea that we'd open an art studio. It's taken us about three

• 48:05Speaker 02

  years to understand how to make art together, but we've started painting and he creates these beautiful abstract works and he puts healing codes into the work. I don't know how, but because he can perceive energy.

• 48:23Ky Dickens?

  I'm just like speechless right now because there's been like three or four non-speakers who said that they're doing art and putting healing codes or codes into the art. And I'm always like, what does that mean?

• 48:30Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 48:31Ky Dickens?

  Putting codes into the art.

• 48:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like he, when he makes a mark, it is with intention. So we all do this, but they do it on another level because they can actually see the energy that they're working with.

• 48:46Ky Dickens?

  I have to tell you something.

• 48:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:48Ky Dickens?

  Because it just came to me. Someone told me that this, this past weekend,

• 48:53Ky Dickens?

  that gravity is like the, the king force in our physical world and intention is the king force in the non-physical world.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  That sounds right to me.

• 49:03Ky Dickens?

  Isn't that wild?

• 49:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:05Ky Dickens?

  Yeah. So it's like, or queen force, I should say. But, um, but that, yeah. So it's like the intention with which.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:14Ky Dickens?

  It sounds like Jed is doing things, even art.

• 49:16Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 49:17Ky Dickens?

  Okay. So I didn't mean to cut you off.

• 49:18Speaker 02

  No, you're good. Yeah.

• 49:19Ky Dickens?

  Jed's making this incredible art. He's putting codes in it.

• 49:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's incredible. I mean, when I ask him, how do you do healing codes? What does that mean? It's like he uses lines, patterns, colors, like all very intentionally in each painting. And it doesn't look intentional, but if you, it's kind of, it's art that you feel before you analyze it. Does that make sense?

• 49:44Ky Dickens?

  It's how it should be always.

• 49:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. And for, not just for me and him, but for others to come and paint if they want to, spell, read books, I don't care.

• 49:55Ky Dickens?

  So it's for other non-speakers?

• 49:57Speaker 02

  We would like that, yes. You know, they're all aging out of school.

• 50:01Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 50:01Speaker 02

  There's nothing for them to do. But it's like, I've always wanted to open a space for them. At first I thought it was going to be a school and then very quickly I was like, no, they don't need a school.

• 50:12Ky Dickens?

  A creative space.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  But they need a space where they're understood, they can be themselves, and there aren't barriers to what they can express and.

• 50:23Ky Dickens?

  Beautiful.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Give to the world.

• 50:24Ky Dickens?

  It's so important. I can't tell you, I mean, you know how many parents will say, once my child ages out of school at 18, there's very little support financially, or what do you do? You might have to drop out of the workforce to take care of someone 24/7. So if anyone out there is financially well off, these are the type of things that are essential in every community, like literally every community to help non-speakers. So are you selling this art or is he selling it?

• 50:50Speaker 02

  Um, yeah. So it's on converginghearts.com. We have a shop. We started with prints. We do commissions. It is a collaboration because he has apraxia. He also has compulsions. So we've had paintings like complete and then I leave and come back and he's like gotten in the gesso and like just covered the whole thing. So it's taken me a lot to figure out how to get the, this beautiful work out of him and preserve it.

• 51:18Ky Dickens?

  Please tell Jed thank you for, you know, just opening you up and, and now you're sharing the story in the light.

• 51:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:27Ky Dickens?

  Your bravery is just helping all boats to rise in this ocean in which we're floating in. So I appreciate you so much.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Same.

• 51:34Ky Dickens?

  And Jed, will you tell him just that, how much I love him and adore him?

• 51:39Speaker 02

  He said, I heard you.

• 51:41Ky Dickens?

  He did?

• 51:44Ky Dickens?

  I think you're awesome, Jen.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, thank you.

• 51:46Ky Dickens?

  He's in your mind right now?

• 51:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:49Ky Dickens?

  This is so wild. I've never had this happen, like in real time, talking to someone.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. He wants me to tell you thank you.

• 51:56Ky Dickens?

  Well, thank you. Thank you, Jed. I'm pointing a blank card on the couch and thank you, Casey Carter. And check out converginghearts.com, is it?

• 52:05Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:06Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, cool. Awesome.

• 52:08Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 52:09Ky Dickens?

  That's it for this episode of The Talk Tracks, but new episodes will be released every Wednesday. So stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones that knit together our reality. And please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. To dive in deeper, subscribe to our Backstage Pass by visiting our website. With it, you'll unlock access to bonus content like telepathy tests, Ask Me Anything interviews with myself and guests. You'll be able to enjoy the podcast ad-free, connect with other members on our Telepathy Tribe Discord, and hear and see exclusive content from the Telepathy Tapes Vault. Visit our website at thetelepathytapes.com for more info on how to subscribe to our Backstage Pass. Thank you to my amazing collaborators.

• 52:52Ky Dickens?

  Producers Katherine Ellis and Selena Kennedy, technical directing, audio mix and finishing by Jeremy Cole, opening and closing music by Elizabeth P. W., and original logo and cover art by Ben Condor Design. I'm Kai Dickens, your executive producer, writer, and host.