Ep. 695: MeatEater Radio Live! 7,000-Year-Old Poison Darts, Fast Food Walleye, and Lip Tattoos

Hosts Spencer Neuharth, Seth Morris, and Austin "Chilly" Chleborad talk with archaeologist Bryon Schroeder of the Center for Big Bend Studies about uncovering an ancient weapon system, take in some listener hot tips, go fishing for one minute with Jesse Vadala of Trout Unlimited, play in another game of MeatEater Price is Right, and chat with Amanda Fairbairn Kimery about a unique tattoo she maybe shouldn't regret. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:18Speaker 02

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• 1:40Steven Rinella?

  Welcome to MeatEater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time. That's noon for our friends in Platte, South Dakota on Thursday, April 24th, and we're live from MeatEater HQ in Bozeman. I'm your host, Spencer, joined today by Seth and Chili. On today's show, we'll interview Brian Schroeder about North America's oldest weapon kit that was just discovered in Texas. Then we've got a hot tip-off about recycled waders and fleshing furs, followed by one-minute fishing with Trout Unlimited in Connecticut. After that, we'll play MeatEater's Price is Right. And finally, we'll interview Amanda Fairbairn Kim.

• 2:15Speaker 03

  About one of the coolest tattoos I've ever seen. First Seth, I want to talk to you about this very successful weekend of hunting.

• 2:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:24Speaker 03

  Had. How many turkeys died?

• 2:26Speaker 04

  Well, between my wife and I, four died.

• 2:29Speaker 03

  Four turkeys?

• 2:29Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 2:30Speaker 03

  You boys are gonna be eating good. Uh, you and your wife can be eating good on white meat for the rest of the year.

• 2:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, yeah, we were somewhere in America hunting. Um, and killed some turkeys and then had some time to kill, did, did some exploring and, uh, went and did a little Spencer New Horse rock hounding.

• 2:49Speaker 03

  Seth, you're getting right to the part that I want to talk to you about. I thought I was gonna have to listen to, uh, turkey hunting stories.

• 2:54Speaker 04

  No, well, I can tell you them.

• 2:56Speaker 03

  Um, let's talk about the rock. Yeah, let's talk about that.

• 2:59Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, I found a, a, a big rock that had a little bit of this ammonite sticking out of it. And at the time, I didn't know what was in there. I could just tell that there was something going on. Um, so I threw that rock against another rock a little too hard.

• 3:16Speaker 03

  Yep. You threw this soft rock against a harder rock.

• 3:19Speaker 04

  Yes, and broke it open and this is what I found inside.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  Seth in his hand has a softball size sea critter. Uh, this is an ammonite. Ammonites, uh, had one of the most successful runs in the history of the planet. They were around, they showed up in the fossil record like 450 million years ago. And then they disappeared around 66 million years ago for the same event that killed the dinosaurs. Now, in between that time, they survived all kinds of crazy stuff. There were other extinction events that happened. Um, where like 98% of the life on earth disappeared and they survived that.

• 3:56Speaker 04

  Really?

• 3:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Ammonites made it through. Around 200 million years ago, they started, uh, to struggle a little bit. And the event that killed the dinosaurs is also what killed them. And this ammonite is, is wonderful. Uh, they, they at one point, or at, at probably multiple points, were the most. Populous animal on earth. There was more of them than anything else living in our oceans. And you should watch the documentary Prehistoric Planet.

• 4:21Speaker 04

  Yeah, I've seen that.

• 4:22Speaker 03

  The regular documentary called like Planet Earth, right?

• 4:24Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:25Speaker 03

  There's a prehistoric planet one, they do. And there's like a whole little section on ammonites. It's a ton of fun. And this one Seth, has a beautiful knacker on it. That's what that little sheen is called.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 4:36Speaker 03

  What you see on a seashell that you'd pick up in the ocean. Show that thing to the camera a little more, spin it around. Wonderful ammonite. Now, there's some of those that are the size of your fingernail, all the way up to ones that are nine foot wide. And this is a big one, Seth.

• 4:50Speaker 04

  Yeah, I have another rock that I had found with a couple of small ones, just kind of sticking out, like poking out. But yeah, that's the biggest one I've ever found. And another thing I find with this, what's the shine called again?

• 5:06Speaker 03

  Knacker.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  Knacker. I believe it's a baculite?

• 5:10Speaker 03

  Yes. Yeah, yeah.

• 5:11Speaker 04

  So we find those with that shine on there too.

• 5:14Speaker 03

  A similar, yeah, a similar type of animal they were.

• 5:17Speaker 04

  Do you know what would have made them so successful?

• 5:21Speaker 03

  I don't know. I'm not sure. I think they obviously, if we think about the things that are successful now.

• 5:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:29Speaker 03

  Like a coyote or a cockroach, they're able to occupy a ton of different niches.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  Like if one food source or one type of habitat disappeared, they just keep on going with something else. I'm assuming it's something similar with ammonites.

• 5:43Speaker 04

  That makes sense.

• 5:44Speaker 03

  That made them so successful. That's a special fossil set.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's, it's one of the better ones in my collection and.

• 5:50Speaker 03

  Where's your collection live?

• 5:52Speaker 04

  It lives in my living room. We, Kelsey and I made, my wife, Kelsey and I made these like shelves. We call it the Morris Museum. Just all the cool stuff we found over the years.

• 6:02Speaker 03

  And it looked like that thing was found inside of a cannonball. There's a whole river in North Dakota called the Cannonball River. And basically that's like mud that would kind of roll in the waves. And sometimes that would pick up fossils like this. So that's probably what happened there.

• 6:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:19Speaker 03

  Is that this thing died, got rolled up in some mud and then just got blown around on a windy shoreline for a while.

• 6:25Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, it's.

• 6:27Speaker 05

  It's I don't know. It's cool. Like you I've seen videos of people breaking those open and like you never know what's gonna be inside.

• 6:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 6:35Speaker 05

  Um, but yeah, this one, I got lucky with this one.

• 6:38Speaker 03

  What a weekend. That giant fossil and four turkeys.

• 6:41Speaker 05

  Four turkeys. Yep. Love it.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  At the beginning of the show there, I shouted out Platte, South Dakota, Chile, a fellow South Dakotan.

• 6:47Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 6:47Speaker 03

  Nicest people I ever met on earth are from Platte, South Dakota.

• 6:50Speaker 05

  Oh, they're great. Yeah. Um, yeah, they they kind of have a bigger footprint than I than I thought. I went fishing up in Alaska. Um, in a town called St. Petersburg and the guy who took us out, his name was Ollie. But his parents originated from Platte, South Dakota, moved to St. Petersburg. He now lives there with his family. But he goes back every single year. And then I got people that I grew up with. I live over there. Great bird hunting.

• 7:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:17Speaker 05

  Love that area.

• 7:18Speaker 03

  Good fishing.

• 7:18Speaker 05

  Well, yeah, I was gonna say, what goes on in Platte?

• 7:21Speaker 03

  Everything. They're right on the Missouri River.

• 7:22Speaker 05

  Yep. Oh, so they got fishing, deer hunting, turkey hunting?

• 7:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 7:27Speaker 05

  Nice. Sounds like a paradise.

• 7:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, we we love you, Platte. Um, me and Chili, shout out, Platte. All right, let's move on with the show. Joining us on the line first is Brian Schroeder, the director of the Center of Big Bend Studies. He's here to talk about what may be North America's oldest intact weapon system, which was just discovered in West Texas. Brian, welcome to the show.

• 7:51Speaker 06

  Thanks. Thanks for having me.

• 7:52Speaker 03

  Uh, first thing, Brian, set the scene for us by describing Bin Big Bend National Park.

• 7:59Speaker 06

  Um, okay, so these are found just outside of the park a little bit and they're right on the edge of a a big cliff and it's it's called the Alameda Creek Drainage and the Alameda Creek Drainage has it was had live water. And so you're we're, you know, we're looking at the large of a big desert environment at the base of a large creek and a dried up stream.

• 8:25Speaker 03

  Uh, so besides the weapon kit that we'll get to in a little bit, what other notable finds have archaeologists had in this area?

• 8:33Speaker 06

  So the regions had a lot of stuff found throughout the years. Um, I mean, that's kind of what lured me there. Um, there's just a mammoth tusk that's rattling around in the news. Uh, that we just, our center just excavated that. Um, but for the most part, it's stuff like this, just lots of weapon kits that, uh, just did not weapon kits, but weapons in particular. So it just preserves perishable stuff really, really well because it's so hot and dry.

• 8:59Speaker 03

  And so that's, that's the key for that area? Why like ancient things are so well preserved in West Texas?

• 9:06Speaker 06

  Yeah. Yeah. You get really good preservation where there's, um, where you, it's either hot or dry or it's protected. Um, it's the same thing. Um, you know, microorganisms need some stuff to live. And when you've, when you remove water from that equation, you get really good preservation. So, um, yeah, that's how, that's how they preserve.

• 9:27Speaker 03

  Okay. Tell us about the day of discovery. Describe the cave and why your team was in that spot.

• 9:33Speaker 06

  So this is, we're actually there because the cave has been collected for years by amateur groups. And we were there actually because we didn't think we would find anything. Uh, we were there because we thought that it was, uh, really impacted. And what we wanted to do is we wanted to open up a cave and date the sediments so we could see, um, how much, uh, how much time was left. We could understand in the sediments and the pesky archaeology record wouldn't get in our way. And, uh, so it's really collapsed. It's been very dug and so it's, it's, uh, it's not this Hollywood cave that you walk into. It's been pretty impacted.

• 10:11Speaker 03

  Okay. And so tell us about like when the weapons were discovered. How close to each other were they? Did you know what they were? Was everyone stoked and giving high fives out?

• 10:21Speaker 06

  Oh, so yeah, so we actually dug in a portion of the cave that was, uh, really collapsed. And we thought that that would be the best example to find all of the sediments we were looking for. And, um, some of the crew thought we were crazy because it was really tucked up back underneath a rock. And we started excavating under that and, um, we ended up finding. Four of them in 2020. That was the first year that we found them. And one of them, we could tell that it was a piece of a dart, but the other ones really didn't make any sense. And so we were really excited about the dart, obviously, but we did not, uh, we did not know what the other pieces and parts were. And then we found a piece of it every year after that, as we expanded out the excavation.

• 11:05Speaker 06

  So we've literally found pieces and parts, um, since 2020.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  Okay, tell us about what this weapon kit fully consists of besides a dart.

• 11:15Speaker 06

  So it's got, it's, it's really interesting because it's got different components. And so it shows us how modular the hunting kits were. And so we have, uh, we have at least four stone tipped four shafts that would have won the end of the atlatl system. Um, we have the atlatl itself, um, that's missing the spur, so the spur actually snapped off of it. And then they discarded it back there with this. We have footwear, so we have, uh, we have sandals that they left with there. We have some kind of antler piece that's clearly for like retooling the stone that goes on there. And then, uh, we have a, what we call, people call rabbit sticks, but the discipline started to call plate, straight flying boomerangs, uh, so a hunting boomerang.

• 12:00Speaker 06

  And then, uh, it's, we have, uh, wood tipped darts that probably were a poison delivery device. But that's conjecture right now. We've got to do the science on that, but that's what we think they are. So we have all these modular pieces. Oh, and then we have the, we have the knock ends of the darts themselves. So the only thing we're missing out of the kit is the actual, um, sleeve that the four shafts would have fit into. So we have almost the complete hunting kit at a moment in time, almost 7,000 years ago.

• 12:27Speaker 03

  And you can see a photo of this hunting kit right now on the Meat Eater Podcast YouTube channel. What do we know about the person who left these behind? Did they live there? Were they just passing through? What do you guys think?

• 12:40Speaker 06

  So that's the part we're trying to understand right now because we have, there's a small little hearth back there and there's four copper lights back there. So there's four pieces of essentially human poop and um it seems like somebody just went back there, went through their weapon kit. They cut the fletching off of the back of the knocks. So they salvaged their knocks. They they were re retooling their darts and then they left the pieces, pieces of the four shafts that you know, they couldn't service because all the four shafts are split. So it seems like one person passing through, but it seems like the intent was to come back because there's a uh there's a pronghorn hide that's been folded, like they were cutting pieces off of it and

• 13:20Speaker 06

  they were made like maybe servicing some some, you know, clothing. I don't know. Uh but then they they folded it up and they put it on a rock and it seems like they meant to get back to that. They never, they just never got back to there. So I my guess would be passing through and probably one, maybe two people, not many. It's a really, really small little crook in the cave. Like it's not like, yeah, one person laying back there would be crowded.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  Brian, um Seth here, got a question for you. Are you guys done with the excavation? Or could there be more stuff in there that you guys haven't found yet?

• 13:55Speaker 06

  No, so we're actually at the beginning. We're uh, well, I mean, we're not at the beginning. We've been digging for 2020, but now that we've understand this period, this time period better back there, we're, we're not to the time period we want to, want to get to. So we want to get to the early record. We really want to look at the paleo record and that's what we're trying to get to, but we keep finding all this stuff. So we're, we're um, we're five years into a collaborative research with the University of Kansas. The University of Kansas actually sponsors it and we're going to keep going for the foreseeable future. So uh, we're kind of, kind of midway through, I would suppose.

• 14:31Speaker 03

  Brian, do we know what was in the fossilized crap?

• 14:36Speaker 06

  Uh, no, that's one of the things we need to look at. They, uh, it's definitely fiber, but there's, there's kind of a startling amount of bone in it.

• 14:44Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 14:45Speaker 06

  And, uh, um, that's one of the things we need to do. We just dated them and we really didn't think they'd be the same age as the deposit, but they're the exact same age as the hunting.

• 14:53Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 14:54Speaker 06

  So all of it's the exact same age. So that's, that's gonna be amazing because that'll give us direct, I mean, that'll tell us exactly what, you know, at least they were doing for a moment in time back there.

• 15:04Speaker 03

  And what do you think, uh, the weapons were used to hunt?

• 15:08Speaker 06

  So I think they're, I, that's what the coolest thing is. I think they're hunting different things, right? So there's a stone tipped point that goes on the end of the dart. That's for one type of game, probably medium game. I mean, it's pretty sexy to say that, you know, that toolkit maybe killed the pronghorn that was in there, but that I definitely don't know. That's just, you know, that's me editorializing it. And then the darts, the poison, if they are poison darts, the wood tips, those are for something else entirely. And then, um, there's a straight flying boomerang, boomerang, which is, we think it's for small game, but, um, the faculty that I work with do a lot of experimental studies and they've, they've played around with those and, uh, they, they think they could be pretty deadly

• 15:48Speaker 06

  for other stuff. So, uh, I, it's definitely a medium mammal sized toolkit and maybe small mammals. Um, definitely pronghorn. We don't know if there was bison out in west Texas. That's one of the open questions. Um, so, I mean, certainly medium game and small game.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  You said that the idea that they are darts, uh, is sort of a hypothesis right now. What makes you think that they are poison darts and what kind of poison would they have been using?

• 16:18Speaker 06

  So that's one of the things that, uh, the, my colleagues at the center want to really look at. Um, they're the ones that have really been like showing me more of the sighting that a lot of indigenous groups knew how to hunt with poison and they knew how to make poison compounds. And, uh, what exactly would it would be? I don't, I don't know, but we just actually got, uh, the lab equipment to start testing that. So we're actually going to start doing that and making, they're going to start making different poison compounds and testing it against that with residue and seeing if we can figure out what they're doing. But, um,

• 16:52Speaker 06

  The wood, the wood part of it, I think is what we think. They're clearly coated in some kind of resin. And they've been sort of looking for this parallel in the archaeological record that if there's these wooden tips, that that'd be a great way to deliver poison into animals. And lo and behold, this cave has at least three of them. So we can start testing that hypothesis.

• 17:16Speaker 03

  And what kind of wood are those tools made of?

• 17:18Speaker 06

  That's the, we've, so the only thing we've speciated as far as wood goes right now is the actual atlatl itself. And that is, it's an acacia. It's probably local mesquite. I mean, it's absolutely jaw dropping. I'll never find another atlatl in my life. And it's a really, really old atlatl. But it's as far as things that they could make, it's probably a 15 minute job for them. It's a pretty simple atlatl. And it's, it's just a split, it's a split. So that one we know is mesquite.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  And the radiocarbon dating, the radiocarbon dating process for wood, is that the exact same as it is for rock?

• 17:59Speaker 06

  So radiocarbon dating, it works on the organic. The rock we date differently. Rock, you can date residues off it if there's organic compounds, but you can only date organic compounds. So that's what makes the weapon kit so cool is that it's, it's a direct decision. Those people killed those trees to make that weapons. And so you're actually, they are the ones that actually killed the, the, the organic materials to make that kit. So we're dating a direct human decision.

• 18:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, so it was, it was declared by you guys, I think, that this is the oldest intact weapon system in North America. What discovery now has the silver medal?

• 18:41Speaker 06

  We talked a lot about this. So again, my colleagues at the center, we were, we were talking about this. And there's certainly older weapons, like individual weapons. And there's probably some stuff in the Yukon that's as, it's probably older. But we, we all can think that the second oldest Complete system is probably from White Dog Cave. Um, you get the full atlatical system. That's two, 2,500 years, somewhere in there. So, I mean, we're getting a significant time difference and this weapon kit is completely different than the one in, uh, White Dog. So, uh, that's really interesting to see how that, that technology evolved over 4,000 years. So.

• 19:25Speaker 03

  What comes next for this project?

• 19:28Speaker 06

  We're gonna keep going. I mean, the, the goal of the project is, I mean, the seven, you know, the 6,500 year old weapon kit is really, really cool. But what we really want to do is know if there's earlier deposits in the cave and if the cave was used by earlier folks and we just haven't gotten there in the excavation. So next is continuing to go down and see if we get earlier deposits and we have a, you know, a paleo record there and we can get the initial entry of humans into North America. So that's next. Keep digging.

• 19:55Speaker 03

  Well, thank you for joining us, Brian. Congrats on the exciting find and good luck with the research to come.

• 20:01Speaker 06

  Thanks. Thanks for having me.

• 20:03Speaker 03

  Have a good one.

• 20:03Speaker 04

  Thanks, Brian.

• 20:04Speaker 06

  Thanks, Brian. Yeah.

• 20:06Speaker 03

  Well, we got a, we got a real Spencer episode so far. A lot of rock.

• 20:09Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:10Speaker 03

  Top.

• 20:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, I bet you're stoked about this.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  We'll see if the, uh, the listeners stick around with us or not.

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• 23:48Speaker 03

  All right, our next segment is Hot Tip Off.

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• 24:19Speaker 03

  He composed it. Phil's been trying to line up a karaoke date in the next few weeks.

• 24:24Speaker 07

  You know what? I gotta give the credit to another man in this room. And that would be Chili. He's the one who brought it back, back up to my attention and I'm glad he did. We're trying to make it happen. Um, so, you know, if there's anyone at the company watching, hit up that group Slack. Let me know what day works best for you.

• 24:38Speaker 03

  What's the group Slack called? It's just called karaoke. Karaoke.

• 24:40Speaker 05

  I'm just trying to bring the people together, you know?

• 24:43Speaker 03

  What are you gonna sing Chili?

• 24:44Speaker 05

  In these tough times. Um, what am I gonna sing?

• 24:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:47Speaker 05

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• 25:03Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 25:03Speaker 05

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  Trying to bridge that gap.

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• 25:12Speaker 03

  Okay. So give us an example though of what you think you might sing.

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• 25:20Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  Um, uh, my actually go to song is Neon Moon by Brooks and Dunn.

• 25:26Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 25:26Speaker 05

  Cause I can do this thing where I can kind of sound, I can do like make, you know, Ronnie Dunn's voice is a little different. I can kinda do that.

• 25:33Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:33Speaker 05

  And so, the old people in the crowd, they appreciate it. The young kids just have no clue what's going on.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  The last time we went out for karaoke after Kickball, I sang the...

• 25:42Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, I think that's a, I've heard Spencer sing that one.

• 25:45Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 25:45Speaker 04

  Good choice.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  It's a good song.

• 25:46Speaker 04

  Good choice.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  Alright, Hot Tip Off is where two listeners go head-to-head with competing pieces of advice, and after we hear each tip, we'll declare which one is hotter. If you have a hot tip, take a one-minute video on your phone and email it to [email protected] with the subject line, "Hot Tip Off." This week, it's Adam Smith versus Brian Nisley, and they're competing to win a three-year OnX Elite Membership in a Moultrie Edge 2 Cell Cam. Alright, let's hear this week's hot tips.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  Adam Smith.

• 26:21Speaker 06

  Hey there, Adam Smith coming at you with a hot fishing tip that is budget-friendly.

• 26:27Speaker 06

  I love to wade fish, but I don't normally use waders or need waders, but I do like the storage they provide. And so, I was looking for a chest rig, a weatherproof, water-resistant chest rig to take wading. And as I was doing that, I remembered that I had an old messed-up pair of waders that was leaking. So, instead of taking hundreds or dozens of dollars to spend on a new piece of gear, I took some scissors, took that old pair of waders, and just cut them in half, right at the belly. Now, the top half of that wader serves as a chest rig. I got water-resistant storage here for phone, wallet, keys. And between this and my fishing vest, everything is right on me, easy access. And if I take a dip in the water, or the weather turns real rainy,

• 27:09Speaker 06

  I know I can still keep my essentials dry. So, I was able to do that without buying a new piece of gear. So, let me know what you think. Budget-friendly fishing tip. Thank you.

• 27:20Speaker 04

  Brian Nisley.

• 27:26Speaker 04

  This is Brian Nisley, Northwestern Pennsylvania. We've got a hot tip for you guys that are flesh and coons or other super greasy animals. Always a challenge keeping your beam clean.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  Once you start pushing the fat off the skirt and get your beam all greased up, use paper towels or something to wipe it, but, uh, paper towels are getting expensive. Fur is cheap, and I learned...

• 27:53Speaker 03

  This from a fur buyer years ago.

• 27:56Speaker 03

  Get yourself some sawdust. I work at a sawmill, so I get it for free, but get it at sawmills or woodworking shops, anywhere that sells sawdust, ground bedding or whatever. Throw a handful of sawdust down there.

• 28:10Speaker 03

  Wipe it around.

• 28:13Speaker 03

  Soaks up that grease and wipes right off.

• 28:17Speaker 03

  You're good to go. Works for your hands, too. Super cheap and effective.

• 28:23Speaker 03

  Thank you. And again, they are competing for a three-year OnX Elite Membership in a Multrie Edge 2 cell cam. Uh, now Brian was kinda going for Seth's heart there. He's from Pennsylvania, wearing a bear grease hat, talking about fleshing with the everyday raccoon.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  Raccoon.

• 28:40Speaker 03

  Now, I'm gonna have to rely on you here, Seth. Is that a hot tip about putting sawdust down?

• 28:45Speaker 04

  That is a hot tip. It's a hot tip that I've been doing for years.

• 28:49Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 28:49Speaker 04

  Decades, actually.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  Where'd you learn it?

• 28:52Speaker 04

  In Pennsylvania, when I was fleshing coons. Yeah, from a fur buyer.

• 28:55Speaker 03

  Of, of the percentage of folks who are out there fleshing coons. What percentage do you think know about that hot tip?

• 29:03Speaker 03

  Is it common knowledge?

• 29:04Speaker 04

  I would say it's fairly common.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:06Speaker 04

  Yeah. But I could be wrong. I just, I, the guys I ran around with did it.

• 29:11Speaker 03

  They were experienced.

• 29:12Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  They were legit.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  But, you know, there might be some folks starting out that don't know about that and it's a great tip.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  You're, you're an aspiring, uh, trapper, right? Did you know about the sawdust trick?

• 29:23Speaker 05

  I, I didn't know, um.

• 29:25Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's, I, I don't know a whole lot about fleshing. I've only done it a number of times. Um, Seth has been a part of that process pretty heavily. Um, but now for, so for me, that is a hot tip.

• 29:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:39Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:39Speaker 05

  I was more interested in his, his setup that he had going on.

• 29:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:43Speaker 05

  With everything going on.

• 29:44Speaker 04

  His beam was pretty sweet.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  He was ready to go in there. Now, Phil, are you doing a poll of our audience?

• 29:48Speaker 07

  I am doing, I've got a live poll in the chat right now.

• 29:51Speaker 03

  Phil's gonna let that go for a few more minutes.

• 29:53Speaker 07

  It's kinda tight, so let your voice be heard.

• 29:55Speaker 05

  I will say with the first hot tip.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  Adam Smith?

• 29:58Speaker 05

  Yep. Um, I was, you know, I love the idea. I was looking to, for it to be a little shorter, you know, to pique my interest, you know, if it was me. It'd be probably just that.

• 30:10Speaker 04

  Just a tube top?

• 30:11Speaker 05

  Just a tube top for Chili.

• 30:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, I like that. You'll get to, you can really appreciate these hot tips if you're watching this on our YouTube channel. Again, we have Adam Smith with the recycled waiters versus Brian and doing the fur trapping. While our audience continues to vote on this, I want to tell you folks that we need more hot tips. Corey Calkins, he's the one who manages our inbox there and he said we're running low on really good ones. So please take that one minute video and email it to radio at the meat eater.com with the subject line hot tip off. You're going to compete for some really good prizes if your video gets chosen. This week it's that three year on X elite membership and a mulberry edge to cell cam.

• 30:53Speaker 07

  And really quick, get some questions into the chat for the crew for our listener feedback section too. Just a reminder.

• 30:59Speaker 03

  All right, Chili, if you were voting, you're going to pick the recycled waiters or the fur trapping? We're going to let the audience decide, but maybe we can sway their opinion.

• 31:07Speaker 05

  Brother, I would say where I'm at in my life, I would say the hot, the trapping hot tip, the sawdust. Like that's probably going to be more applicable to me right now.

• 31:19Speaker 03

  Okay, Seth?

• 31:21Speaker 04

  I appreciate a frugal man, but I'm going to go with the fur trapping as well. The hot, the sawdust hot tip. He, Brian's from Pennsylvania.

• 31:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 31:31Speaker 04

  He's flesh and raccoons.

• 31:33Speaker 03

  Good facial hair.

• 31:35Speaker 04

  Good facial hair. All this is very familiar territory, territory to me. I'm going with Brian.

• 31:42Speaker 03

  I'm going to go with Adam Smith. I like the idea of recycling those waiters and that looked like a pretty handy little thing to have on your chest. People would talk to you about it if they saw you on the river, I think, too.

• 31:55Speaker 07

  All right, I'm going to go ahead and wrap up this poll right now with 53% of the vote. Oh, no, at the last second, 52 now.

• 32:04Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 32:05Speaker 07

  The winner is Brian with the sawdust.

• 32:08Speaker 03

  Well done, Brian. Corey Calkins is going to reach out to you about how to claim your prizes. For everyone else listening, please send us some more hot tips. We want to keep doing this segment. We want to get educated and educate our audience with your hot tips. All right, let's take a break for some listener feedback. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

• 32:28Speaker 07

  Uh, that's a great question. Uh, well, first I just wanted to say congrats to Mogor. Our guy Mogor in the chat, he just passed the toughest exam of his life. And we're officially kicking off the weekend for him.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Nice, congrats.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  Congratulations Mogor. He's in the chat every week, uh, so we, we appreciate you, uh, sticking around with us Mogor and, uh, hanging out from, uh, Hungary. I wonder, I'd like to know what that exam is. Maybe let us know in the chat again.

• 32:51Speaker 07

  Oh yeah, please do, because I think he mentioned it a couple of weeks ago as well, and I was curious. So yeah, let us know Mogor. Uh, this is kind of a big general question, but it's still that, still that turkey season. So if you guys have any, uh, hot tips, speaking of for spicy nachos. Says, hey all, first time turkey hunter here. I was wondering if I could get some late season turkey hunting tips. Uh, in Canada here, turkey's open 10 days ago and he has had no luck.

• 33:12Speaker 04

  Hmm, I got one.

• 33:14Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 33:14Speaker 03

  Go for it Seth.

• 33:15Speaker 04

  If you're hunting late season turkeys, you have to be in the woods from that 10 o'clock to 2 o'clock hour, if your state allows it.

• 33:25Speaker 04

  Late season hens, once they're done doing their thing, getting bred in the morning, the, they will go sit on their nests and those toms will become solo and looking for love. Um, it's a great time to kill late season turkey.

• 33:41Speaker 03

  Yeah, and turkey hunters who are smarter than me will talk about how you should change your decoy setup throughout the season. Like what were you using this weekend Seth? In Montana here, we'd probably be considered what like early season here, middle of the season or early season? What are you running for decoys?

• 33:56Speaker 04

  Um, I typically don't run decoys unless I have to. Um, I just, that's just because I just like, well, one thing I, I don't love, the way I hunt, a lot of running and gunning. Um, I just don't love carrying decoys. And I don't know, I just like to, to play the game without decoys. I like to set up in spots where the turkey. Ha- basically has to be in shooting range for it to see where the calling's coming from.

• 34:26Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 34:27Speaker 04

  So.

• 34:27Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 34:28Speaker 04

  That's how I like to hunt. I- I will use decoys occasionally if I'm set up like in a big, open area or whatever, but.

• 34:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I think like sort of, it's very general rule of thumb, but usually your turkey decoy setups get smaller as the season goes on. So at early season, when birds are still really flocked up.

• 34:44Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  Uh, you may have, if you have the ability to do it, four decoys out there.

• 34:49Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 34:49Speaker 03

  Uh, and, and if you're really getting late in the season, spicy nachos, uh, might be time to pare that down to just a single hen or a, a hen and a strutter. What else you got, Phil?

• 34:58Speaker 07

  Uh, Andreas is asking, Chili, what was your MOS when you were, uh, serving?

• 35:02Speaker 05

  Andreas, um, I was an O651.

• 35:05Speaker 07

  Uh.

• 35:06Speaker 04

  Which is what?

• 35:07Speaker 05

  COM.

• 35:08Speaker 07

  Hmm.

• 35:08Speaker 05

  Data network specialist. Um, but yeah, did a bunch of stuff with communications equipment and things of that nature, man.

• 35:18Speaker 07

  All right, on, uh, Ben says, Spencer, did you hear that Dakota Angler brought back the Rapala Minnow Wrap as an exclusive? You had said in the last radio live, you were in that you caught your personal best pike on it, but they were discontinued.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  Uh, I, I had a few people reach out to me and email me that, that, uh, Dakota Angler is bringing back the Rapala Minnow Wrap. Rapala has so many offerings and, and this was like a very specific one at a very specific time and place. Um, and I'm thrilled to hear that Dakota Angler has that sort of swing, uh, to get the Minnow Wrap back on their shelves. Uh, that, that's a great part of the country to be offering that crankbait. Uh, so, uh, good on you, Dakota Angler, and thanks for the heads up, Ben, and, and everyone else who reached out.

• 36:00Speaker 04

  I caught my PB Pike on an X Wrap.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 36:03Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 03

  Uh, what, what kind of X Wrap? Cause I feel like there's a lot, there's like X Wrap this, X Wrap that.

• 36:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Sometimes they'll have like a little bucktail on the, the last jig.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  It has a little bucktail. It was the, it was when the X Wrap first came out.

• 36:15Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 36:15Speaker 04

  Um, so, yeah, whatever the OG X Wrap was.

• 36:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:18Speaker 04

  I bought, uh, a handful of them for catching bass in Maine when I was living back east.

• 36:23Speaker 03

  Now, I feel like a lot of the X Wraps too, uh, they would have like the hollow body look that you'd like see through them.

• 36:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, this one you could see through was blue. Um, yep, had the bucktail on it, but yeah, that was, caught my PB Pike in Montana.

• 36:37Speaker 03

  I, I miss being really tuned in to like what crankbaits are, are hot right now and like, what's the new color that Rapala came out with this year?

• 36:46Speaker 04

  I don't.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  I don't do a whole lot of crankbait fishing. Um, I'm more like jig and plastic type guy for walleye and

• 36:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:56Speaker 04

  Don't do a whole lot of bass in here, but I love it. It's fun. I just wish there was more opportunities, which there are some good ones, but uh, yeah, I don't exactly keep up with the, the, those style of baits.

• 37:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, it used to be really tuned in. It was, it was totally a hundred percent something that caught more fishermen than fish.

• 37:13Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:14Speaker 03

  But I still like being very familiar with the library of crankbaits that, that different brands were offering. What else you got, Phil?

• 37:20Speaker 07

  We'll do one more here. Um, well, actually we'll do a light one and then a real one. What do the crew members use to maintain their facial hair? I hate an itchy beard, but don't enjoy the 12 year old boy look with a bald face.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  Um, I, I, as someone who's like gone back and forth between mustache and beard in the last, you know, few years. Uh, I, the itchy stage to me is like a very specific time. I don't, I don't remember when that is, but it's like between weeks, I don't know, uh, two and four or something like that. And then it's not itchy anymore. Is that what you, like your familiarity with it, uh, Chili?

• 37:53Speaker 05

  Yeah. When I, when I had a big, big beard, um, yeah, like it was like that two to four weeks, you know, maybe quarter of an inch long. And it got super itchy and then all of a sudden it just stopped.

• 38:04Speaker 03

  It's not itchy anymore. You never think about it.

• 38:05Speaker 05

  No.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  Uh, as far as maintenance, I don't, I don't do anything. It gets the same shampoo that my hair gets.

• 38:10Speaker 05

  Treesap, Treesap every morning, freshly, freshly found in the woods.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  Chili's a tail mane guy.

• 38:16Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, hair is, uh, mane and tail.

• 38:19Speaker 04

  Mane and tail.

• 38:20Speaker 03

  Mane and tail. Is it like a pomade or what?

• 38:22Speaker 05

  Uh, no, it's, it's a shampoo and conditioner made for horses.

• 38:26Speaker 03

  Now you're, you're messing with it.

• 38:27Speaker 05

  That's a hot tip right there for the folks. Yeah, I do.

• 38:30Speaker 03

  You have a horse shampoo and conditioner in your shower right now.

• 38:34Speaker 05

  Mane and tail.

• 38:35Speaker 03

  Okay. You send me a picture.

• 38:36Speaker 05

  I will send you a picture.

• 38:38Speaker 03

  I, I, I'd like your hair a lot more Chili now knowing that. Who, who told you about this idea? Uh, did you come up with it?

• 38:45Speaker 05

  No. If, see.

• 38:48Speaker 05

  Well, originally it came from the movie Blades of Glory.

• 38:52Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 38:52Speaker 05

  When he goes like, you help yourself to the mane and tail all you want, but don't even think about touching the verticoli.

• 38:59Speaker 05

  So, and then like it kind of took off. And then for me, uh, I mean, as you can tell, proof is in the pudding, right?

• 39:07Speaker 03

  Good, good head of lettuce on chili.

• 39:09Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh huh. And it's just, yeah, shimmers. And that's why I like it.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  Mane and tail. I like that.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  I, I do nothing for the stash and I like to wash the hair like maybe once a week.

• 39:20Speaker 07

  We can tell.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  Keep it greasy.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  That, that was the fun one, Phil. Let's hear what this dark twisted one is.

• 39:27Speaker 07

  Oh, no, no, it's not. I just, I said real, not, not like, man, we're gonna get real. I just meant like, it's a real question. Uh, what is the fastest time you have filled a turkey tag? Do you pass up the bird that comes out first light on the first day? Said he lives in a single bird bag limit area. That's from Will.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Hmm. I got a story that could tie a handful of things together that we talked about.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  Please do it.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  Um, last Saturday, we, my wife and I killed some turkeys in the morning and then we went to a different spot. And this was probably about 11:30 ish and got to a ridge, made a call, turkey gobbled like 200, uh, probably 250 ish away. And

• 40:12Speaker 04

  within, I don't know, a couple of minutes, that thing was dead. It just came running.

• 40:17Speaker 03

  That's efficient.

• 40:18Speaker 04

  Yep. And it was that, it was that, you know, that mid or that late morning hour, which Hens went to sit and he was lonely.

• 40:26Speaker 03

  Did it ever cross your mind to pass on that bird? So you could.

• 40:29Speaker 04

  Well, my wife, my wife was shooting on that one. I was just calling and I guarantee it didn't pass her, her mind.

• 40:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's never crossed my mind to pass on a legal turkey. The quickest I ever killed was my first archery bird. It was, it was opening morning. Um, I, I was set up way too close to the roost. Um, what would be considered too close, but it worked out anyway. Bird came down right off the roost. Uh, walked into my decoys and I, I shot him dead. Um, as far as passing on a bird at first light of the day? Nah. No thanks.

• 40:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't pass on turkeys unless they're Jake's. I'm, I'm to the point where I don't shoot Jake's anymore, but.

• 41:05Speaker 03

  All right, moving on. Our next segment is one minute fishing. Do I feel lucky? Well, do you, punk?

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Go ahead, make my cast. One Minute Fishing is where we go live to someone who's fishing and they have one minute to catch a fish and if they're successful, we'll make a $500 donation to a conservation group. And for the whole month of April, our friends at Trout Unlimited are joining us for One Minute Fishing. This week, our angler is Jesse Vadala, the Eastern Region Manager at TU. Today, he's on a tributary of the Hoosatonic River in Connecticut and fishing for a donation to Trout Unlimited. Jesse, welcome to the show.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  Hey guys, how you doing? I'm sorry to give you the most chaotic and worst audio possible, but I am quite literally next to a racetrack at the moment, also a wild trout.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  Okay, well, someone's gonna figure out very easily where Jesse is then today. Jesse, we asked Trout Unlimited to highlight some important watersheds across the country for this segment. So first thing, tell us about the wild trout streams of New England and their greatest threats.

• 42:11Speaker 02

  Totally. So it does tie into where I'm standing right now. This is the Salmonkill Creek, which is right across from the Lime Rock Speedway. It's a wild trout tributary that had stunted habitat and tough deals with erosion. So what we're doing largely at TU across the Northeast is for wild trout, specifically the brook trout, we're working on improving connectivity, removing culverts and barriers. We have a beautiful open bridge here that we're checking in on and that's where I'll be fishing right below. But yeah, we're doing a lot for connectivity and improving habitat for wild trout.

• 42:42Speaker 03

  So what are some other things that TU has done to help fisheries of the Northeast?

• 42:46Speaker 02

  TU has been a grassroots organization that largely focuses on educating the next generation. And today, I've got about 25 students out here that are planting trees in a riparian buffer. This is an annual program where kids get out and learn more. That's the bread and butter of TU is teaching the next generation about fly fishing and how important healthy cold rivers are. So that's what we do and it's evident in my work today, even though I'm Quite literally catching the Porsche race team moving behind me.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  All right, let's talk about the fishing. What are you targeting today and how are you doing it?

• 43:18Speaker 02

  Totally. So, uh, real quick, obviously, as a Catskill dry fly angler, I'm always paying attention to the hatches. This time of year, we're starting to see Hendricksons, male and female. So I'm fishing in a merger that has both a dark Hendrickson and light Hendrickson kind of co-thorax color. Uh, super optimistic to try and catch fish on drives on a bluebird day like today. So if it doesn't happen, I'm going to shoot some of the bigger holes below for the bigger brown trout. Uh, usually fishing something like a small but wiggly black marabou streamer. Uh, something cool to get their attention, uh, when they're hanging out low.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Okay. And when we talked to you before the show, you were very concerned about spooking trout. Uh, do you think that's going to be an issue when you get to the water?

• 44:00Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, actually, I think the cars might spook them more than me, but I'm walking over there right now. We're going to see how this goes.

• 44:06Speaker 03

  Okay, Jesse.

• 44:07Speaker 02

  The audio couldn't even get worse. But I feel like if you don't want to watch live fishing, you're getting it.

• 44:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. Uh, your one minute of fishing will start as soon as you make that first cast. Uh, he is walking through the lanes of the racetrack right now, headed to the water.

• 44:24Speaker 04

  Cars zipping by.

• 44:27Speaker 03

  Uh, and we've now lost him.

• 44:29Speaker 02

  Well, I think. You're still preparing with me in this chaotic fishing.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Okay, Jesse, are you, uh, are you set up and, and ready to make your cast?

• 44:37Speaker 02

  Man, I'm walking into the streamside right now.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  Okay. Now, the, the green, the green on the trees in the background makes me think of morrel mushrooms. Have the, the kids planting all those trees come across any mushroom patches yet?

• 44:51Speaker 02

  Good question. We're still a few more, I would say a week, maybe two weeks at most. Pretty well closely aligned to turkey season. Uh, we see morrels up this way. A lot of ramps still out and about on the streams. That's a big one.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, we've been able to find some. So I think pretty soon we'll start seeing morrels. I'm going to set you all up right where I had you before and, uh, we'll hope for the best.

• 45:16Speaker 03

  Okay, uh, Jesse is about to make his first cast. The timer will start when he makes that first cast. The video and audio are getting a little choppy. Uh, and he's got a fly in the water.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  There it is.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  Seth, would you be on that racetrack?

• 45:34Speaker 02

  There are actually light Hendricksons near the water and some small stenophiles.

• 45:39Speaker 03

  Okay, you've got 45 seconds left.

• 45:44Speaker 04

  Uh, I'd probably more likely be on the river than the racetrack.

• 45:48Speaker 03

  Uh, Jesse is feeling confident and saying that his fly is matching what he's seeing in the water.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  I'll throw one more.

• 45:55Speaker 03

  30 seconds to go.

• 45:58Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, that's that one. Let's get it. We're going in.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  There's a natural right next to it. No heat. It's not looking good, folks.

• 46:10Speaker 03

  You've got 15 seconds, Jesse.

• 46:12Speaker 04

  I do like that he's providing his own commentary.

• 46:13Speaker 02

  We're putting another clean one upstream.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  Okay, you've got 10 seconds.

• 46:19Speaker 02

  One more. Let's do it. All the way in. All right.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  Didn't happen today for Jesse.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  Sam, thank you all for the chance and supporting what we do to you. Appreciate it.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Thanks for joining us, Jesse. Uh, good luck with the rest of the day of fishing.

• 46:37Speaker 04

  Thanks, man.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  Thanks so much. Thank you. Take care.

• 46:42Speaker 03

  One minute fishing always brings some chaos to the show, uh, but we like it.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  All right, here's some more chaos. Our next segment is The Price is Right.

• 46:53Speaker 07

  Oh, here it comes from Mosman, Montana. Meat Eater Radio's most exciting 10 minutes. It's The Price is Right!

• 47:01Speaker 03

  Yeah!

• 47:03Speaker 07

  Seth Morris, come on down!

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, Seth Morris.

• 47:06Speaker 07

  Mr. Chilium, come on down! You're the next two contestants on Meat Eater Radio's The Price is Right! Now here's your host, Spencer Newho.

• 47:20Speaker 03

  Thank you, Phil. Now this game is really simple. Phil is going to tell you about a product from the Meat Eater Universe, and you need to guess its price. The player with the closest answer without going over will be declared the winner. If both players go over, then you'll both be told to try again. And the chat should play along as well, because whoever has the closest answer will get a shout out from Phil. All right, there are three products on today's show. Phil, tell us about the first item up for bid.

• 47:48Steven Rinella?

  I'll tell you one thing that binds together all of the vehicles in the Rinella fleet at my house. They all have WeatherTech floor liners. When we get a new car, the first thing we do, out with the junky factory carpet mats, in with WeatherTech. They really are the best. They're indestructible. You can pull them out, hose them off. It doesn't matter what happens on the floor of your rig. If you've got WeatherTech, you're going to be covered. I love these things. If you're looking to get a great gift for someone, especially if they're a big time outdoors kind of person, like if you really want to do them a favor, get them some WeatherTech floor liners for their truck or car. They'll have a way easier time keeping their rig nice and clean, and they'll get years and years of use out of

• 48:32Steven Rinella?

  a set. Visit weathertech.com for your holiday shopping today. Warning: This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical. Black Buffalo products are intended for adults aged 21 and older who are consumers of nicotine or tobacco. Now, you know how long it takes to build something that actually holds up? Well, Black Buffalo spent 20,000 hours on it. 20,000 hours, working alongside American farmers, growing and barn curing leafy greens to mimic the taste and texture of real dip without the tobacco leaf

• 49:13Steven Rinella?

  or stem. That's not a shortcut. That's a commitment. They started this thing in 2015, right here in America, and they got it right. In wintergreen, mint, and straight, the taste you already know, and long cut and pouches. It dips like the real thing, because they refuse to settle for less. Check out your local gas station or convenience store. Chances are, it's already on a shelf near you, or head to blackbuffalo.com and use code MEAT for 30% off your first order. Black Buffalo Tobacco Alternative. It's everything you love about dip, nothing you don't. The new Dual Threat Pro SD Climber is the ultimate companion for

• 49:57Steven Rinella?

  Both bow and rifle hunters, thanks to its adjustable dual threat front bar. This innovative feature allows you to tailor the climber based on your preferred hunting method. So you can choose between two climbing modes and two hunting modes. So you can sit or stand climbing mode. All right, there's a bow hunting mode, a rifle hunting mode, meaning you can get it where the bar is up as a rifle rest, or it's clear, so you can draw your bow and swing and not have any trouble. And a hand climbing mode with its new dual position seat. You have full control over your sitting height, ensuring an optimal vantage point for spotting game and taking that perfect shot. What I like about things, I don't like keeping a million different kinds of stands around.

• 50:40Steven Rinella?

  Leave it somewhere and use it for multiple things at multiple times a year. Get 20% off all tree stands by using the code MEATEATER at summitstands.com. That's a phenomenal deal. That's summitstands.com.

• 50:55Speaker 07

  Clicking a lot of buttons here, Spencer. Just give me one sec. Gotta turn off this banner. It's kind of in the way.

• 51:00Speaker 04

  I just want everyone to know that that, what Phil just did was live. It wasn't like a drop.

• 51:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. He brings all the energy.

• 51:09Speaker 07

  Well, let's start today's bidding with a three piece walleye dinner from Culvers. For one month, for one month every year during Lent, Culvers adds a deep fried walleye to their menu. Each filet, which comes from crystal clear Canadian waters, is hand battered and cooked to order. Their North Woods Walleye three piece dinner comes with tartar sauce, a warm roll, a soda and two sides. You'll get to choose from a garden salad, crinkle cut fries, coleslaw, cheese curds, chili or pretzel bites.

• 51:35Speaker 03

  And don't forget to save room for custard after eating those one and a half walleyes. The flavor of the day today is chocolate caramel twist at the Onalaska, Wisconsin location, which is where I source the price for this dinner. It's a three piece walleye dinner from Culvers. Two sides, a soda, a warm roll and tartar sauce. And them are some big old filets. Seth, how do you think, how big do you think them walleyes were?

• 52:05Speaker 04

  Uh, 25 inches.

• 52:07Speaker 03

  20 plus for sure. These, these are some healthy.

• 52:10Speaker 04

  I wonder where they're getting those. Great Lakes, probably.

• 52:12Speaker 03

  Canada.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  Canada?

• 52:13Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm. That's, that's what their website says. Now, when they say Canada, I don't know if there's like aquaculture in Canada, or if they're going out and netting some, uh, some faraway river or what the deal is. But it's, it's very well reviewed walleye from Culver's, a three-piece dinner. And again, you boys cannot go over. If you go over, you will get it wrong.

• 52:38Speaker 04

  Look at that sandwich.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Chili, you know, every time I'm heading east on, uh, on the interstate and I pass through Rapid City, that's the first time I can smell Culver's again. That's about as far west as they get.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, I would say, man.

• 52:54Speaker 03

  Well, leave it. You, you boys literally have the same answer.

• 52:57Speaker 05

  What if we get the right answer, dude?

• 52:59Speaker 04

  Well, we can't, we, we gotta have a winner and loser. We can't tie.

• 53:01Speaker 03

  Okay. Seth has seen Chili's answer.

• 53:04Speaker 05

  And you're cheating too.

• 53:05Speaker 03

  Chili, you miss the Culver's back home in Rapid City?

• 53:08Speaker 05

  I do. Yeah. And yeah, like, I, I feel like, yeah, you, you're right. They're outside of Rapid, west of Rapid, you don't find them.

• 53:17Speaker 03

  No.

• 53:17Speaker 05

  And if there are, someone let us know, but.

• 53:19Speaker 03

  You can start to smell Casey's when you get that far east too.

• 53:22Speaker 05

  Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, no, I do miss, I do miss a Culver's burger.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  All right. You boys ready?

• 53:27Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 53:27Speaker 03

  And this price is from Onalaska, Wisconsin. Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Seth saying $13 and Chili says $12.99.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  I want everyone to know if Chili wins this, I had that first.

• 53:41Speaker 05

  Well, maybe you shouldn't be so, I don't know. I don't know. I'm, I'm not gonna say that. That's bad. Just stick to your, your answer. Stick to your guns, dude.

• 53:49Speaker 03

  So you, you had $12.99 as well? Okay. Both of you come up with a new answer then. You saw Chili's answer. We're gonna have you come up with a new answer. Uh, you are both lower than the correct answer.

• 54:01Speaker 03

  So come up with a new one. They both wrote down 1299. Seth then changed his answer, but we're gonna make them try it one more time. We know the price is higher than 1299. Chili, you have your answer?

• 54:14Speaker 05

  I do, yeah.

• 54:15Speaker 03

  Seth, you have your answer?

• 54:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Chili saying 1499 and Seth saying 1450. The correct answer is $20.79, giving Chili that very first point.

• 54:30Speaker 05

  Suck it, Seth.

• 54:32Speaker 03

  Them walleye ain't cheap, huh Seth?

• 54:34Speaker 05

  I guess not.

• 54:35Speaker 03

  Uh, who did well in the chat, Phil? Anybody get around the right answer?

• 54:38Speaker 07

  Yeah, I haven't looked for the last 30 seconds. We had Derek saying 1999. That was the closest.

• 54:44Speaker 03

  Oh, and his last name is Xander. Xander is a European walleye.

• 54:48Speaker 05

  That is fantastic.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  Well done, Derek Xander.

• 54:51Speaker 05

  Guy knows his stuff. There's some of those in South Dakota?

• 54:53Speaker 03

  North Dakota.

• 54:54Speaker 05

  North Dakota, yeah.

• 54:54Speaker 03

  Cottonwood Lake, I think it is.

• 54:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, there you go.

• 54:57Speaker 03

  All right, Phil, tell us about the second item up for bid.

• 55:02Speaker 07

  Well, if you prefer selling fish to buying fish, then how about owning your very own bait shop?

• 55:08Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 55:08Speaker 07

  Lacy Marine Bait and Tackle is located at the Jersey Shore. This turnkey business comes with all of their inventory, four bait freezers, a live bait tank, and a state-of-the-art POS system. Lacy's has been open since 1969 and is a fixture of the community. I forgot that I can't change the slide without getting the script out of my eyeballs. And now it is gone. Where was I? But there are some things money can't buy, like the Lacy Township Police Department Citizen Recognition Award that the business received in 2023. Lacy Marine Bait and Tackle got the honor after its owner saved the life of a customer who collapsed while shopping for bait.

• 55:41Speaker 03

  Amazing. And Lacy's claims to have an annual revenue of $920,000 and has been listed for sale since November 2023. Seth and Chili, what does that bait store cost? And Phil is showing us some pictures of Lacy. That is Lacy Marine Bait and Tackle located at the Jersey Shore. We're looking at some bloodworms there. That appears to be one of their hot ticket items, based on Facebook.

• 56:13Speaker 05

  Seth, you wanna look at my answer?

• 56:14Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 56:16Speaker 03

  You boys have an answer?

• 56:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:19Speaker 04

  I would love to own a bait shop someday.

• 56:20Speaker 03

  That would be fun.

• 56:21Speaker 04

  Oh, I think it'd be so fun.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  Especially if you had a bar in there, too.

• 56:25Speaker 03

  Where would you put that bait shop at?

• 56:27Speaker 04

  Oh, probably like, upper Midwest.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Yeah. That, that type of culture. I feel like this is more like ocean culture.

• 56:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, this is very marine-heavy in their area. They've got like, a whole section of yacht paint in this bait store.

• 56:41Speaker 04

  Yep. Yeah, I'd be, I'd be wanting to like, you know, have a, have some cheese curd or something in there and, you know.

• 56:48Speaker 03

  Smell like bait.

• 56:49Speaker 04

  Have Chester come walk in.

• 56:50Speaker 03

  Culvers. That's good. You boys ready?

• 56:53Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 56:53Speaker 03

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got Chili saying 1.3 million and Seth saying 1.4 million.

• 57:01Speaker 05

  You cheating.

• 57:02Speaker 03

  You're both too high, so you'll both need to try again.

• 57:06Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 57:06Speaker 04

  What's, what are they saying?

• 57:07Speaker 05

  On the, too high.

• 57:10Speaker 04

  Huh.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  Has an annual revenue of 920,000. Now that's revenue, not profit. So that's, uh, that's their top line number, not their bottom line number.

• 57:24Speaker 03

  You guys have an answer?

• 57:25Speaker 05

  This isn't trivia. I could probably just look this up.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  I suspect some of our audience is doing that.

• 57:32Speaker 03

  You guys ready?

• 57:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 57:34Speaker 03

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got Chili saying 865 and Seth saying 930,000. They're still too high.

• 57:42Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 57:43Speaker 03

  They're gonna need to try again. We have yet to have this happen.

• 57:46Speaker 04

  I guess this place has been on the market for how long, Phil?

• 57:48Speaker 03

  Uh, since November 2023.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  I gotta say, everyone in the chat is right there with you guys.

• 57:54Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 57:54Speaker 04

  Too high.

• 57:55Speaker 03

  Too high. Wow. Uh, this, this bait store may have a lot of suitors after this episode. If you folks are willing to throw around 1.4 million, it could very easily be yours.

• 58:07Speaker 03

  Okay, you guys ready again?

• 58:09Speaker 05

  So wait, even if he's like, lower, but if I, if I'm over by 25K, but he's under by 300K, he wins.

• 58:16Speaker 03

  Being under is important. You're automatically disqualified if you're over. Are you ready?

• 58:20Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 58:21Speaker 03

  Okay, Seth is going back to his.

• 58:23Speaker 05

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna.

• 58:23Speaker 03

  So is Chili.

• 58:26Speaker 05

  We're gonna go.

• 58:27Speaker 04

  You're going low, I'm gonna mute you, dirtbag.

• 58:30Speaker 03

  Okay, they figured out the game.

• 58:33Speaker 05

  We're gonna go.

• 58:34Speaker 03

  Are you ready?

• 58:36Speaker 03

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got Chili saying 460,000 and Seth saying 475,000. They're still too high.

• 58:45Speaker 05

  Oh my god.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  They're going back to their whiteboards for a fourth attempt.

• 58:50Speaker 05

  We got ourselves a game, folks.

• 58:54Speaker 05

  You went 200 something then.

• 58:57Speaker 03

  We've started at 1.4 million. We're all the way down to under 460,000 at this point. Seth and Chili are on their fourth attempt of guessing the price of Lacey Marine bait and tackle at the Jersey Shore.

• 59:12Speaker 05

  No, I'm sticking. I'm just sticking.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  Are you ready?

• 59:14Speaker 05

  Just went low.

• 59:14Speaker 03

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got Seth says $56.

• 59:20Speaker 05

  No, that's, oh, that's five bucks.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  Five bucks. He says $5. Chili says 244,000. The correct answer is 279,000 giving Chili the second point and the victory.

• 59:37Speaker 05

  That's not bad for a tackle shot.

• 59:39Speaker 03

  Hey, it could, it could be yours. Uh, like I said, a lot of folks in the chat, uh, may be outbidding you though.

• 59:44Speaker 07

  Well, here's the, okay, really quick, a bunch of people started getting closer after like the third, you're too high. But Pit Pass Podcast guessed 210 right off the bat. So I'm gonna call it in the winners.

• 59:56Speaker 03

  Pit Pass, you get that point. Phil, let's hear about our third item up for bid.

• 1:00:03Speaker 03

  We'll see if, uh, if Chili can get the skunk on Seth and make him run around the office naked as his tradition.

• 1:00:10Speaker 05

  Nobody wants to see that.

• 1:00:11Speaker 07

  If you're looking to fill that bait shop with decor, then how about an autographed Jaws poster? This movie poster has a certificate of authenticity, meaning it's the real deal. It measures 26 inches by 38 inches and is signed by four members of the cast plus Steven Spielberg. Actually, I will tell you that John Williams is not a member of the cast, but a composer of the soundtrack.

• 1:00:31Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:00:32Speaker 07

  The Oscar winning film turns 50, 50 years old this year, giving you a chance to own a piece of, piece of cinema history.

• 1:00:37Speaker 03

  The eBay seller also offers a Jockeys costume from Seabiscuit and 23 Disney DVDs. All right, Seth and Chili, what does that signed Jaws poster cost? Who's the composer, Phil?

• 1:00:50Speaker 07

  John Williams.

• 1:00:51Speaker 03

  John Williams. And I think that's how they won their Oscar was via their music. It was not best picture or, or, uh, best lead actor or anything like that.

• 1:01:00Speaker 03

  Best music.

• 1:01:00Speaker 05

  You said that this fella has this on eBay?

• 1:01:03Speaker 03

  On eBay.

• 1:01:04Speaker 05

  Okay, so he's not trying to like sell this at it. Okay.

• 1:01:06Speaker 03

  And he's also selling Jockey's costume from Sea Biscuit and 23 Disney.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  That gives me some thoughts.

• 1:01:16Speaker 03

  You ready?

• 1:01:17Speaker 07

  I'm ready.

• 1:01:17Speaker 03

  Go ahead and reveal your answers. We've got Chili saying $11,000 and Seth goes with $1.

• 1:01:24Speaker 05

  You're such a, that's bush league.

• 1:01:27Speaker 03

  Correct answer.

• 1:01:28Speaker 05

  You're such a bush leaguer dude.

• 1:01:29Speaker 07

  Have you ever watched this show?

• 1:01:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:01:31Speaker 07

  Prices right?

• 1:01:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, but.

• 1:01:32Speaker 04

  $1 wins a lot.

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, but.

• 1:01:35Speaker 03

  The correct answer is $190, giving Seth his third point. And he's quite satisfied. I'm sorry, his first point. Chili is the winner. Today's game of Price is Right. Don't talk to me. Phil, how'd the chat do?

• 1:01:49Speaker 07

  Uh, we had Dylan Jenkins saying 175. I believe that was the closest without going over. Oh, nope, nope. Nick said 189, which is kind of suspiciously close.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  I feel like I've heard that name during the Price is Right before Nick.

• 1:02:04Speaker 05

  I think Nick is about to buy himself a new poster.

• 1:02:09Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:02:09Speaker 07

  Good game Chili.

• 1:02:10Speaker 03

  That ends today's game of Price is Right. Thanks for playing along, everybody. And remember to help control the pet population, have your pets spayed and neutered. All right, our next segment is Tattoos I Regret.

• 1:02:24Speaker 07

  Hello darkness, my old friend.

• 1:02:29Speaker 07

  I've looked at my tattoo again.

• 1:02:33Speaker 07

  It really seemed like such a good idea. When I was drunk last summer in Ibiza. The tattoo says a puss in a pot will always find more beans. What the does that mean?

• 1:02:52Speaker 07

  It's a tattoo. I regret.

• 1:03:03Speaker 03

  Now, I'm so thrilled about today's tattoo that for only the second time ever, we have the person with the regrettable tattoo joining us live. Here she is now, Amanda Fairbairn Kimery. Welcome to the show. Thanks.

• 1:03:16Speaker 06

  Thanks for having me, guys.

• 1:03:18Speaker 03

  Amanda, let's get some backstory before we reveal your tattoo. First thing, when did you get this?

• 1:03:24Speaker 06

  I got it almost probably like a decade ago when I was a junior in college at Clemson.

• 1:03:29Speaker 03

  Okay, and what was going on that day when you got that tattoo?

• 1:03:33Speaker 06

  My friend and I were having ourselves a good Saturday and and at the time Clemson was winning the national championship. Everyone was getting, you know, go Tigers, go Tigs, Clemson tattooed on the inside of their lip. It was like a new trend, I guess, I wanted to go on. And my friend and I were sitting there, I'm like, what is just the most outrageous and ridiculous tattoo you can think of?

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Okay, that's how you landed on this idea. Have you ever met another person with this tattoo?

• 1:04:06Speaker 06

  No, I haven't. I've met the hundreds of people with lip tattoos and like when the video of me went viral, I was reading the comments and everyone was commenting like what their lip tattoo that they had was. And I was really expecting someone else to have something similar, but no, not a soul yet.

• 1:04:23Speaker 03

  Is this your only tattoo?

• 1:04:25Speaker 06

  So, no, I actually have four other tattoos and they're actually all related to the outdoors in some way as well.

• 1:04:31Speaker 03

  Ah, all right. Well, let's uh, let's reveal your tattoo and then explain its meaning for us.

• 1:04:37Speaker 06

  Okay, so it's 1804 to 1806.

• 1:04:45Speaker 06

  Yes, 1804 to 1806 and it is the dates of the Lewis and Clark expedition.

• 1:04:50Speaker 03

  Okay, love that. Why, why the Lewis and Clark expedition dates?

• 1:04:54Speaker 06

  I mean, when sitting out, you know, on a nice Saturday with my friend, we were thinking, what is the most outrageous thing? What, what else could you possibly think of other than something having to do with history way back when that kind of people forget after grade school too, you know?

• 1:05:09Speaker 03

  So what ideas did you pass on before landing on 1804 to 1806 on the inside of your bottom lip?

• 1:05:16Speaker 06

  So we passed on my mom's phone number.

• 1:05:21Speaker 06

  I think she's probably very grateful that I know. Not have that. And then we also passed on, I think it was Bill Gates's birthday.

• 1:05:31Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:05:33Speaker 06

  Yeah, like I said, just we were thinking about outrageous and random things. And then my friend got the dates of the mine calendar when it was expected to end. She got those dates tattooed on the inside.

• 1:05:45Speaker 03

  Okay, very good. Now, what do your friends and family think of the tattoo?

• 1:05:51Speaker 06

  Um, when I first got it, they just thought it was stupid and, you know, they figured, oh, it'll fade in one to three years, whatever. Well, here we are almost a decade later and they still think it's just as outrageous, but it's brought a lot of joy and laughter. So everyone just thinks it's funny now.

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  Do your other friends with lip tattoos have their lip tattoos faded? Because I've always heard it said that that's a thing that they fade, but then that hasn't seemed to be a reality.

• 1:06:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, so like that's why everyone started getting them like a decade ago is because everyone was like, oh, who cares? Like it fades in one to three years. But yeah, no, hers actually, my friend that I got it with, hers is pretty faded. I think there's still a little bit left of it, but hers is pretty faded. Mine's going strong though.

• 1:06:31Speaker 03

  Do you actually regret the tattoo, though?

• 1:06:34Speaker 06

  I'm gonna say no. If you would have told me when I got it that it would last probably my entire life, I probably wouldn't have gotten it then. But looking back now, it's just brought everyone so much joy and laughter and it's actually the reason my husband and I are together.

• 1:06:50Speaker 03

  Oh, how did that come to be?

• 1:06:53Speaker 06

  So when we met, we met at a mutual friend's house for a party and at that said party, you know, he was there with his boys and he was like, I'm not gonna talk to any girls tonight. I'm just gonna hang out with the guys. He told me this later in our relationship. But then later on, he also admitted that the minute he found out I had that lip tattoo, he's like, oh, I'll talk to her. Like, she seems like a pretty cool girl.

• 1:07:18Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:07:19Speaker 06

  And now they're married.

• 1:07:20Speaker 03

  That's great. Well, traditionally during this segment, we shame people for having bad tattoos, but we're not gonna do that. I think it's so damn cool. And I'm jealous. I didn't think of it first. Why didn't I come up with putting the date to the Lewis and Clark expedition on the inside of my lip?

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's like something you would totally do.

• 1:07:36Speaker 03

  I know. But now we're talking to Amanda instead, who did have that great idea on a drunk Saturday.

• 1:07:41Speaker 06

  Hopefully one day someone else will have the same lip tattoo.

• 1:07:44Speaker 03

  That's right. All right, Amanda, thank you for joining us and thanks for sharing your tattoo that you absolutely should not regret.

• 1:07:51Speaker 06

  Thanks for having me.

• 1:07:52Speaker 03

  Appreciate it. Chili, do you regret any of your tattoos?

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  Not a one.

• 1:07:56Speaker 03

  How many do you have?

• 1:07:57Speaker 05

  Oh, I don't even know.

• 1:07:59Speaker 03

  Thirty?

• 1:08:00Speaker 05

  No, not that many. Almost twenty, maybe.

• 1:08:03Speaker 03

  You don't regret any of them?

• 1:08:04Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:08:05Speaker 03

  The only regret I have is like I didn't do some bigger. I don't have regrets about like, oh, shouldn't have done that.

• 1:08:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:08:11Speaker 03

  I have dead man's hand here right above my watch. I wish I would have done that bigger.

• 1:08:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, that would have, yeah, I like that tattoo a lot. I wish you would have done it bigger.

• 1:08:18Speaker 03

  Thank you, Chili.

• 1:08:18Speaker 04

  Your tattoos are really like, a lot of thought went into them, I feel like.

• 1:08:23Speaker 03

  I appreciate it. Well, I did a thing that most people with tattoos don't do is like, I didn't start getting them till I was almost thirty years old.

• 1:08:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:30Speaker 03

  You know, your tattoo era is when you're in college or something. And I was just too broke to afford them then.

• 1:08:35Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:08:36Speaker 03

  So now I had a wiser version of me coming up with bad tattoo ideas.

• 1:08:41Speaker 04

  I like them.

• 1:08:42Speaker 03

  Thank you, Seth. All right, that brings us to the end of the show. Phil, what's the chat have to say?

• 1:08:46Speaker 07

  Uh, yeah, we got a few more in here. First, I just wanted to shout out Mogor who got back to us. He says he officially passed the Hungarian state hunting exam.

• 1:08:55Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:08:55Speaker 07

  Says, inspired by Meat Eater. So, good job, Mogor. Congrats. That's on that. Devin asks, well, first of all, last chance to get questions in, do that right now. Devin asks, any good recommendations or favorites for solo camping tents for hunting trips? Looking forward to doing my first deer hunt later this year.

• 1:09:12Speaker 03

  What do you think, Seth?

• 1:09:15Speaker 04

  I have, um, it's a Nemo. I don't remember what model, but it's just like a one person, real light. It's a three season, so keep that in mind if you're gonna be in some cold snowy weather, but, um, I enjoy that thing. It's super light. I fit in it great and yeah.

• 1:09:36Speaker 03

  Chili?

• 1:09:37Speaker 05

  Um, I'm, I'm a fan of the Seek Outside, um, Cimarron. Um, it's a four man tent. Um, probably get two fully grown men in there. Um, but the cool thing about that one is too, it has a, you can, if you purchase a stove, you can run a stove out of it too. So if you are late season hunting, uh, you can, you can have some warmth with you. Obviously you have to do some more logistics when it comes to where you're going, packing in wood and all that stuff, but. I've ended up things great in the summer as well. So pretty lightweight and it's a very, very low profile as far as packing. So that's why I like it.

• 1:10:13Speaker 04

  Stoves are nice.

• 1:10:14Speaker 03

  Devin, I tented for most of my deer hunts and usually I'm solo. I run a three person tent. I find that's the right size for me to be like very comfortable in there. And I'm talking about car camping specifically where I can fit a cot. I can fit a little heater. I can like hang up my socks and clothes to dry real nice. Seth had brought up having a three season tent. If you're hunting in the fall, which sounds like you are on this deer hunt, I, I think it's very important to have a four seasons tent and, and those ratings are sort of done different by each company. I don't think there's any like a legal obligation to call it a three season tent or a four season tent if it fits this certain criteria. But I think Devin, if, if it's important to you to stay

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  warm at night and you're hunting anytime, you know, from mid October on in the north, look for a four season tent. And if you know you're going to be by yourself, three people, a three person tent will keep you really comfortable. I run an Alps Tasmanian tent. I've had that for five years. I, I really love it. I'm very cozy in there.

• 1:11:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. And I was thinking more backcountry stuff, but if you are car camming, go with a bigger tent.

• 1:11:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:11:19Speaker 04

  It's just nicer to have the extra room.

• 1:11:22Speaker 03

  Phil, what else you got?

• 1:11:24Speaker 07

  The only reason I'm going to put this guy's name on the screen is because he, he specifically told me how to pronounce his last name. But this is kind of an ethical Chedekit-esque moral conundrum here, but here we go. Brad asks, while being a father of three with food prices as high as they are, is it okay to accept game meat that was probably poached?

• 1:11:45Speaker 03

  And why do you pronounce his last name, Phil?

• 1:11:47Speaker 07

  Witucki. In case anyone wants to look for it.

• 1:11:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, take that game meat, Brad. You're fine. It's not going to taste any different. I don't think. Would you boys have any, if you needed to feed a family of three?

• 1:12:04Speaker 03

  Would you take some poached meat? We don't know that it's poached.

• 1:12:06Speaker 04

  Well, he doesn't know that. So, yeah, I'd take it.

• 1:12:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:12:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:12:10Speaker 03

  Take that meat, Brad, and then, and then when you're feeding it to folks, you can talk about conservation. It gives you a good little nugget of information to share with other people.

• 1:12:19Speaker 07

  Plausible deniability.

• 1:12:21Speaker 03

  There you go.

• 1:12:21Speaker 07

  You don't know. Nobody knows. Uh, let's see here. Favorite way to cook turkey breast that isn't schnitzel or nuggets, which he already loves to make. This is from Keith.

• 1:12:30Speaker 03

  Seth, what are you doing with all that turkey meat?

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  Well, schnitzel and nuggets are my go-to.

• 1:12:37Speaker 04

  My wife and I did a stir fry the other night, which was fantastic. I just kind of sliced it up in like thin strips and, and did that. It was great. Served it over rice.

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  Keith, go to the meat eater.com on our recipe section. You can, uh, search, you, you can put the criteria in there for only turkey meat. Uh, you'll get all kinds of great recipes from people who are far better cooks than us. Uh, and there'll be a lot of inspiration there that's not schnitzel or nuggets.

• 1:13:04Speaker 07

  Uh, Seth, this is from Will. Seth, I've watched you and Steve's trapping, uh, skinning and fleshing videos. Will y'all ever do a tanning follow-up or do you have any tips right now? He said he recently started and his coons always come out greasy and stiff.

• 1:13:16Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:13:18Speaker 04

  Hmm. Well, I don't do any tanning. I send everything off to the tanner to get tanned professionally. I just, I never got into the tanning thing. Um.

• 1:13:27Speaker 03

  Did you ever mess around with like quick tan? Isn't that something that, uh?

• 1:13:31Speaker 04

  No. I, when I was younger, I used to like kill squirrels and just salt the heck out, like stretch them and salt the heck out of them and.

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  Where are them squirrels at now?

• 1:13:39Speaker 04

  Oh, they're probably rotted away somewhere. Honestly, I have no, uh, I might have one or two left back in my mom's house in Pennsylvania, but, um, yeah, that wasn't a forever type.

• 1:13:50Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  Treatment, but, uh, yeah, I've, I've honestly never tanned anything, like legit tanned something. So can't really help you there.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  What else you got, Phil?

• 1:14:00Speaker 07

  Uh, any experience putting electronics on a pontoon? That's from Brian.

• 1:14:05Speaker 04

  Not on a pontoon, but a lot of electronics with other boats. Um.

• 1:14:11Speaker 04

  What do you need to know?

• 1:14:13Speaker 03

  Well, he's asking about a.

• 1:14:14Speaker 04

  Oh, Humminbird Lorenz. Ah, I'd go with the bird. But I kind of, it just depends. Humminbird has better mapping.

• 1:14:22Speaker 03

  And I, I bet on a pontoon, it's a little more simple, like, you know, plumbing your electronics through the bottom than it would be with a traditional V-haul boat.

• 1:14:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:14:32Speaker 03

  But I don't know, Brian.

• 1:14:34Speaker 07

  Uh, we can go.

• 1:14:35Speaker 05

  Have you seen a lot of electronics on pontoons like that?

• 1:14:39Speaker 04

  Um, yeah. I know, uh, um, Max Barter's father-in-law, Walidan, he, he guides out of a pontoon.

• 1:14:48Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:14:49Speaker 04

  He probably has lots of experience with rigging pontoon boats, but, um, as far as I'm concerned, I think a pontoon boat's a great fishing vessel.

• 1:14:58Speaker 03

  Gives you a lot of surface space to walk around in there.

• 1:15:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, for sure.

• 1:15:02Speaker 03

  And I imagine if you're, if you're rigging up a pontoon with expensive electronics, that you're trying to be a good family man, Brian. You're trying to have one foot in both worlds, good fishing and, uh, taking the kids out on the river or the lake on a Saturday. It's good on you, Brian.

• 1:15:16Speaker 07

  Uh, we'll do one more here, but first Brian, who won the hot tip off, said he got busy at work and missed it live, but he just popped in and says, thanks so much. So, yeah. Brian, be on the lookout for something from Corey here if he hasn't already, uh, messaged you already.

• 1:15:28Speaker 03

  Well done.

• 1:15:29Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. That's a pro, pro producer right there.

• 1:15:32Speaker 04

  Good tip, Brian.

• 1:15:32Speaker 07

  Uh, last one from Ben Spencer. Have you ever tried paddle fishing by Yankton? He said he's from the area and wants to get his first spoonie.

• 1:15:39Speaker 03

  I have done it, Ben. Uh, it was, it was like some of my favorite outdoor memories as a kid. Um, the, the fishing is even in the bad years, it's very good by Yankton. That's where a dam is on the Missouri River. It's the last dam on the Missouri River. Uh, and a lot of fish get stacked up there. Um, it's a lot of fun. It's not a thing where you have to be up super early or stay out till the last minute of daylight. Um, there's really, really good camaraderie with it, Ben. And I assume if you're a resident, you get access to better water, uh, than everyone else. And so, uh, enjoy that, Ben. Keep buying those preference points. Uh, know what the slot is and, and how to measure it. Um, folks are very willing to give tips on, on how

• 1:16:22Speaker 03

  to do it, how to rig your weights and your, your treble hooks. Uh, so don't be afraid to ask someone if, if you need some help. Um, but enjoy it. It's, uh, I, I miss it a lot. All right, that brings us to the end of the show. Thanks everyone for watching and listening. We'll see you guys back here in one week.

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