Fraud Friday: RazzleCON: The Rapping Crypto Criminal w/ Jabari Davis

Laci welcomes Jabaris Davis (NBA Finals File) to discuss Heather Morgan, a rapping former-CEO who was a part of the largest asset seizure in history, involving over $4 billion in bitcoin. Plus, a Greek Orthodox priest and hedge fund manager participated in a “short and distort” scheme. Stay Schemin’! (Originally Released 03/21/2022) CONgregation, catch Laci's TV Show, Scam Goddess, now on Freeform and Hulu! Did you miss out on a custom signed Scam Goddess: Lessons from a Life of Cons, Grifts and Schemes book? Look no more, nab your copy here on PODSWAG Follow on Instagram: Scam Goddess Pod: @scamgoddesspod Laci Mosley: @divalaci Research by Kaelyn Brandt SOURCES: https://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-fund-priest-thou-shalt-make-money-1445918531?mod=mktw https://www.reuters.com/legal/litigation/jury-sec-case-finds-priest-shorting-biotechs-stock-made-false-statements-2021-11-05/ https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02/the-many-shifting-sides-of-cryptos-most-notorious-couple.html https://www.coindesk.com/markets/2016/08/03/the-bitfinex-bitcoin-hack-what-we-know-and-dont-know/ https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/02/doj-seizes-usd3-6-billion-in-stolen-bitcoin-arrests-couple.html https://medium.datadriveninvestor.com/bitcoin-billionaire-rapper-busted-after-fbi-seized-her-3-9-billion-fortune-183ad0e8cb0 https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/13/nyregion/bitcoin-bitfinex-hack-heather-morgan-ilya-lichtenstein.html

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• 1:58Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release older episodes from the Scam Goddess Vault. That's right, Fraud Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall, and as always, stay schemin'.

• 2:40Laci Mosley?

  What's poppin', congregation? Welcome back to another installment of Scam Goddess. It's your girl, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. And I'm here, y'all, giving you all the energy I have left. Your girl had an operacion. Uh, maybe I'll talk about that a little bit in the beginning because I'm always, as what? I'm, I'm what? Uh, yes, I'm excited. I'm very excited, ecstatic. We have a member, a self-proclaimed member of the congregation here today, which I always love to hear, because you know it's gonna be a good snapping time, honey. He's a talented writer, host, and producer. He hosts the Jabstep Podcast on 19 Media Group Network. Also, he's the content producer for Miles and Jack Got Boosties, an NBA podcast.

• 3:23Laci Mosley?

  Yes, okay, congregation, please welcome Jabari Davis to the show.

• 3:27Speaker 05

  Hey, Lacey, thank you so much for having me. Like, like I mentioned to you in the beginning, I'm a member of the congregation, so this is an honor.

• 3:33Laci Mosley?

  Oh, I love this. I was saying, um, I had, I don't know if you know what uterine fibroids are, Jabari? I had, they're benign tumors. A lot of black women have them. It's like over 80% of black women get them, but maybe you like don't notice you have them, or maybe you do. But, um, mine, one was the size of like a kiwi. They love to explain everything in terms of fruit, so they were really, really big. And I had like a small procedure just to cut off the blood supply called an embolization, and then that shit went left. And I woke up one day and like couldn't barely walk. And so, of course, my dumb ass, I waited like three days, like literally canceling recordings, like hobbling around my house, like crying to get to my kitchen from my bedroom. And, you know, strong black woman child, wow, a scam. And I'm trying to be weak.

• 4:18Laci Mosley?

  And I wanna be a weak black queen, okay? Lip risk. But, um, so I finally went to the hospital. My good friend Mary drove me to the hospital. Shout out to Mary. And, um, when I got to the hospital, I went to see her sign, and I was supposed to be the bougie hospital, but I don't know where Beyonce be having her emergencies, but it most certainly wasn't the emergency room that I was in because I waited, Jabari, no lie, I waited five hours. To get to the the VIP of the hospital. I was waiting out in the lobby. Uh.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  You you didn't hit him with, do you know who I am or any of that? Nothing?

• 4:52Laci Mosley?

  No, I the the the healthcare professionals are so overworked. I was just trying to be as nice as possible. And it got to a point where like when I hobbled up hour four and a half, they were like, okay, we gonna get you in, we gonna get you in. We know you've been waiting. We know you've been waiting. Because you know, so I've never been in the ER that long. So after a while, like when you first get into the ER, like they kind of make it cute, like you get in, you go in, they check your blood pressure. They ask you what your symptoms are, da da da da da. They kind of assess if you need to be moved up the list. So then they sent my ass back to the waiting room. And because I had been there for so many hours, once they they called my name again. And then I was like, price is right, like, do do da doo. Like, I was like, it's my time.

• 5:33Laci Mosley?

  And then I, you know, I hobbled up there like, yeah, please treat me. And they're like, oh, no, we just doing a vitals check, bruh. I was there so long, they started doing checks to just make sure you alive.

• 5:42Speaker 05

  I'm saying.

• 5:43Laci Mosley?

  Are you not dying in the ER waiting room? They just come in to check your vitals. They're like, all right, she's still alive. Put her back, put her back over there. And I was like, damn. So then I started thinking, I was over my homegirl, I was like, man, maybe we should drive me to the end of the block. And then I could call the ambulance. And then I could come in here on some wee woo wee woo shit, like on the stretcher. And I was gonna come in, you know, holler and like, my neck, my back, my neck and my back. And um, we laughed about this and kind of just sat there for maybe like half an hour more. And then somebody came in on a stretcher from the ambulance. And I was so jealous. I was like, oh, my God, look at them, like on that stretcher. They about to go straight back to VIP. And.

• 6:18Speaker 05

  That's when you honestly, I I I'm here for that energy. That's when you gotta get your true scam goddess on. If if they are, if they are not matching what you need, you'll take it in your own hands.

• 6:28Laci Mosley?

  Exactly. That's what I thought to do. But then, so this woman comes in on a stretcher, I'm sizing her up because I'm so jealous. She about to get that healthcare that I want. And I was like, oh, well, she don't look like she dying that much. Damn, I should have really did it. I should have pulled over. So why, um, they they rolled this woman in. And then all of a sudden, the stretcher like takes a turn in front of me. And the chairs that I'm sitting out, Jabari, why did they unload this woman off the ambulance stretcher into a chair in the waiting room?

• 6:57Speaker 05

  They said, no, we not falling for the okie doke. Okay.

• 7:01Laci Mosley?

  Not just shaking her off like, like she a cookie on a hot pan and, and somebody way right here. You ain't, you ain't got that much of an emergency. Not the Uber ambulance. I was so hurt for her and for me.

• 7:13Speaker 05

  I'm saying, did you, was she still there waiting when you finally got back? Or was she able to, you know, kind of slide her way in?

• 7:20Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I don't have, I should have better hater energy because I didn't clock her much longer than that to see if she went before me. But I do know that they did dump her out in a chair and make her wait. And I was like, damn sis, you had it all added up. You had, you had the plan. Fully ready, came in on the stretcher and they still put you in the waiting room. I was like, damn.

• 7:39Speaker 05

  And you want to get it.

• 7:40Laci Mosley?

  Right. Well, I mean, the hospital is overwhelmed. I'm not complaining about the people who work in the hospital. I was just like, damn, it was bitch. But finally I got in, I got a CAT scan and they were like, yeah, girl, we're gonna give you some surgery. And I was like, okay, I have work to do. They were like, yeah, that's cute, but uh, you need a body to do that. So. Here I am on uh, pain medication and vibes.

• 8:00Speaker 05

  Shout out to you for honestly playing through that. Like you are literally a wounded warrior. I, I, I'll be honest. Even though we're just sitting here podcasting, I don't think I would have been able to make it. So honestly, props to you.

• 8:11Laci Mosley?

  I know for a little bit, I couldn't make it to the living room, which is tragic. When you have to cancel things and it's like in your living room, it's truly tragic. I mean, in my office, but still, you know, just a couple hobbles away, couldn't make it. But we here. Uh, a little detour there up top, which why I always ask, you know, uh, what's your relationship with scams? Have you ever been scammed? Do you like them? Do you hate them? It could be anything, a story, whatever you got.

• 8:33Speaker 05

  I'll be upfront. You, you grew up in Southern California. I grew up in the Los Angeles area. You're gonna be, you're gonna be scam chasing at the very least. And I come, I come from a big country family where I, you know, I was the first generation that like literally wasn't like raised on the farm. And I would say, I would say half of the folks are law abiding citizens and you'll take care of business. And the other half, they may have a day gig, but they also have a hustle of some sort. And it just, it just kind of is what it is. Quite frankly.

• 8:57Laci Mosley?

  Amen.

• 8:58Speaker 05

  We're sitting here right now because I, you know, because I got my scam on. I didn't have a background in journalism. I didn't have a background in radio. I didn't have a background in any of that. And I started a website and basically within a year ended up, you know, with an internship that got me hired by USA Today. And one thing led to another and here, and here we are. So I'm very familiar with scamming or, or as you, I guess you could say fake it till you make it.

• 9:21Laci Mosley?

  Right, Jabari, I mean, when you got talent, is it really faking it? I mean, let's think about it. Nobody was born with a background in anything. You know, we all came into the earth backgroundless and with no things.

• 9:32Speaker 05

  This is true, but I'll, I'll, I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example.

• 9:36Laci Mosley?

  No, I know exactly what you mean. I'm being facetious, but yeah, give me an example.

• 9:41Speaker 05

  My second internship, Sharon Hoops, uh, it's now defunct, but shout out to y'all. You know, whatever y'all are doing. They asked me, hey, do you, we need a, we need a, um, a producer.

• 9:50Laci Mosley?

  Okay.

• 9:51Speaker 05

  You know, can you do that? Of course I can, yeah. Google how, what is a podcast producer? What is a podcast? It was straight like that. I had to teach myself all of it on the fly. They were patient enough because they didn't have anybody else to do it. And, and like I said, here we are.

• 10:05Laci Mosley?

  Right, they hired you because they didn't know nothing about producers. So clearly you figured it out and Google is free and right there. I, I don't know, it sounds good to me. You were like, you Google like producer, okay? Step one, headphones, okay? Get on Amazon, get some of those. Yeah, no, I love it. I love this for you. That's a good scam and you turned it into a, a coin making career.

• 10:24Speaker 05

  Here we are. Here we are.

• 10:26Laci Mosley?

  Love to see it, love to see it. Well, let's get into our first segment here. What is hot and fraud? This is where we warn our listeners about fraud that's popping on the streets. And more often than not these days, we get a letter from you guys. As always, snitch on your friends and family at [email protected]. Jabari, I need a fake name for this person. We don't care about gender. And as always, guys, make sure scams are retired. We don't want to, yes, fuck up your bag, okay? Don't send it to me while you're still doing it. I'm not trying to get in the way, getting in the way of what you're stealing. I'm not trying to do that. But Jabari, what you got? Uh, give me a fake name, don't matter gender.

• 10:57Speaker 05

  Let's go with Ralph.

• 10:59Laci Mosley?

  Ralph.

• 11:00Speaker 05

  Ralph, Mr. Trezvan, if you're nasty.

• 11:03Laci Mosley?

  Oh, oh, if you're nasty, Ralph, yes. Um, so Ralph says, actually, I'm gonna pause for one second because I do have one question, one follow up question for you, Jabari. So you say your family is country. They from the country of California or they like from the, where y'all from?

• 11:18Speaker 05

  Country, backwoods, Louisiana, northern Louisiana.

• 11:21Laci Mosley?

  Where?

• 11:23Speaker 05

  Faraday, Faraday, Louisiana.

• 11:25Laci Mosley?

  Faraday, okay, I've heard of Faraday. I have family in Natchitoches.

• 11:28Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 11:28Laci Mosley?

  Yes, and we like to go to the boat.

• 11:31Speaker 05

  Everybody in Louisiana is related one way or another. I'm just gonna tell you that.

• 11:34Laci Mosley?

  Truly. We're probably cousins, we're probably cousins. I also have a big country family and played a lot barefoot and definitely did not send my DNA to ancestry.com because too many of my cousins got strikes. We now play those games.

• 11:47Speaker 05

  That's an away game. I I can appreciate not playing that.

• 11:50Laci Mosley?

  Right. Y'all not gonna give me all no DNA evidence. But so Ralph, not to be confused with the store Ralph's, which you know, when Ralph's named their store Ralph's, did they know that they were gonna be ratchet? I feel like some people have to know they're like planning a ratchet business because Ralph's just doesn't sound like a classy place to get food. I go there, but it just doesn't sound like Whole Foods.

• 12:12Speaker 05

  I'll I'll be honest with you. Back in the day, growing up in, you know, growing up in the L A area, Ralph's used to be, you know, pretty nice. It it was kind of like the upstanding place, you know, you you go to Ralph's, you know, Ralph's Pavilions or whatever. But most recently, the last time I met her, you know, I'm I'm in I'm in Tucson now, but the last time I was in L A, I went into a Ralph's and you're right, it kind of does resemble Food for Less and, you know, no disrespect, shadows, all love the Food for Less, but it kind of does resemble that now.

• 12:37Laci Mosley?

  And listen, I love some Food for Less. It's nothing about the vibes. It's just like the clientele has really, you know, you go outside of Ralph's, you be like holding your purse and putting all your keys between your fingers, looking left and right and left and right again, neck hurt when you get home from being vigilant.

• 12:53Speaker 05

  They offering you food and entertainment. You just never know.

• 12:55Laci Mosley?

  Mm, yes, entertainment and maybe a workout. You might have to run from somebody, so. Unless they sponsor a podcast, I'm like Ralph's, mm mm, get your produce there.

• 13:07Speaker 05

  The best. Shout out to Ralph. Shout out to you, Ralph.

• 13:10Laci Mosley?

  Yes. So Ralph says, uh, hi, Lacey. Love you. Love the show. Oh, thank you, Ralph. So my coworker Kevin, Kevin sounds like a scammer. He asked a question at lunch today and I wanted to run it by you as a scam expert in my life. Is, amen.

• 13:28Laci Mosley?

  Is it a scam if he just asks people online for a dollar, no strings attached? Does it become a scam if he asks for a dollar and then that dollar enters them into a giveaway to potentially win ten thousand dollars every year for the rest of their life? Okay, Ralph.

• 13:44Speaker 05

  There's a lot going on there. Is is the scam actually the the thing?

• 13:49Laci Mosley?

  Right. You started. You started with just asking for a dollar and then it became, okay, now what if Kevin runs his own personal lottery? Like, we went from one dollar to ten thousand dollars for the rest of your life really quickly there. Um, I'm gonna say if you ask people for a dollar, it's not a scam. If you ask them for a dollar and promise that you're gonna pay them, I mean, if you pay them, I guess we could all be our own lottery shit. Uh.

• 14:14Speaker 05

  That that that's like Nigerian email level scam. Like, like, let's be honest. If you if you're falling for that, quite frankly, you deserve.

• 14:21Laci Mosley?

  The taxes and fees.

• 14:22Speaker 05

  Yeah, if if you fall, if you fall for, hey, if you give me a dollar, you might win ten thousand, then you kind of deserve what you get. I'm not feeling sorry for you.

• 14:30Laci Mosley?

  There's just nothing to hold us, hold you accountable. Cause like, if I go give a dollar scratch off to the, you know, state lottery, like, the girls do have to run me my little coins if I win. But like, who's to say that Kevin, I I, how do I know I won, Kevin? Like, are you giving out lottery tickets? Are you giving out little, uh, rassle tickets? Like, how do I know if I won?

• 14:51Speaker 05

  You're not winning with Kevin. Kevin's taking your dollar and and moving on about his life. I I I can appreciate that energy and, you know, I guess if you have no problem asking a thousand people for a dollar, cool, but yeah.

• 15:02Laci Mosley?

  And a dollar is not much to miss. He said he figures if he gets a million people to give him a dollar, he could invest and then pay out the giveaway from part of the interest that he earns. He felt like it was a win-win for everyone involved and therefore not a scam. The rest of us are pretty sure it's not legal to make your own lottery. What do you think? Thanks. I don't think I've ever gotten a letter like this, which makes me laugh, like.

• 15:25Speaker 05

  So he is, he has entered pyramid scheme style now. Like, this is not, let me take back a little bit of what I said before. I was dissing, I was dissing the scam, but actually, you know, there are layers to it. There are levels to it. So I, look, I don't think you're gonna really get very far on it. And, you know, it is what it is, but if you can, if you can convince even twenty people to get it to, you know, give you a dollar, I guess you're twenty dollars up.

• 15:47Laci Mosley?

  Right, and Kevin, if you wanna do a Facebook Live and hold your own lotto, who am I to say no? Now, liability wise, I did not tell you this was legal. Uh, this sounds like a gray area to me, but if you wanna ask people for a dollar and they give you a dollar, like, nobody's gonna miss a dollar. You know, most people won't miss a dollar, so.

• 16:05Speaker 05

  Kevin running the numbers.

• 16:07Laci Mosley?

  Right, and it's giving, I would say pyramid scheme too, but pyramid scheme, the defining factor of that would be if he was like, y'all give me a dollar and then y'all get ten of y'all's friends to give you a dollar and then bring them in on the dollar pyramid. Uh, a very low pyramid, low stakes pyramid scheme, which in that case, I would say, I mean, try it. Uh, the thing that always makes me laugh, and I tweeted about this like during the pandemic, which now is two years ago when it started, but people will get on Twitter and post their GoFundMes on viral tweets. And here's the thing about that, guys, like, can y'all at least kinda look at the tweet that you're posting your GoFundMe on to see if the vibe is right?

• 16:49Laci Mosley?

  Cause sometimes the viral tweet be like, I've been lonely for so long, my hairbrush starting to look good to me. And then, you know, it's got two hundred fifty thousand likes and then you underneath like, hey, y'all, my, my grand niece got hit by several buses. Anything helps? And it's like, I just feel like you shouldn't be under this tweet.

• 17:07Speaker 05

  I get that, I'll be honest with you, I don't, uh, uh, uh, let me say, I don't go viral all the time, but I get people posting that under my link, you know, under my links or my tweets or whatnot, and I say, do y'all not realize I'm a broke ass podcaster? What am I gonna do for you? I'm not really sure where I can go with that.

• 17:21Laci Mosley?

  I know, I think they're hoping that somebody will read the viral tweet and then hopefully be inclined, so inclined, and I don't know, it must work a little bit because I see people doing it all the time. So maybe it gives you a little bit of traction, uh, cause it's hard now to get some traction with your GoFundMes, too many of them.

• 17:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, literally when everyone has one, I'll be honest with you, it, it all kinda blends in and I say, hey, you know what I gave at the office?

• 17:46Laci Mosley?

  Right, and it's like GoFundMes used to be like, you tell a little story, you may, maybe provide a photo. I feel like now you gotta have whole videos. Like, we gotta see the traffic cam footage of the grand niece getting hit by several buses, like, it's like. People think a lot more to give.

• 18:01Speaker 05

  Unless I see that video, I'm, I'm gonna figure you're trying to pay back, you know, pay back one of those loans you shouldn't have taken.

• 18:07Laci Mosley?

  The P P Es?

• 18:08Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 18:09Laci Mosley?

  I'm not mad at anybody who got a P P E loan. I was just like, well, how did you think it was gonna end? They did call it a loan. They never said it was just like you could have it and go buy Lamborghinis.

• 18:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:18Laci Mosley?

  Uh, blue from Pretty Ricky. Nobody said you could just have it. You do have to pay it back.

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• 19:55Speaker 01

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• 20:28Laci Mosley?

  And we're back and it's time for Historic Hoodwicks. This is where I'm gonna regale Jabari with a famous con caper group of criminals couple. You know, who knows? And we'll get his opinions all throughout Jabari. Interrupt anything you have to say, tangents. We love all things here. Um, so for clarification, Heather Morgan is not, nor has ever claimed to be a comedian or have any comedic intentions. That's just gonna come into play at some point. So this is a clarificate, like this is a clarifying statement, which makes me laugh. That's up top, Kaylin. Uh, that she's not trying to be funny, which means that she must be hilarious. Good to know. So today we're talking about a rapping former CEO duo that have made international headlines

• 21:11Laci Mosley?

  after the DOJ completed the largest asset seizure in history involving $4 billion in Bitcoin.

• 21:20Speaker 05

  I mean, if you gonna, if you gonna do it, do it big. At the very least.

• 21:24Laci Mosley?

  I feel like if you gonna do it, do it medium, so maybe don't get caught. I feel like it's too big.

• 21:29Speaker 05

  That's a good point. Uh, once you, once you, once you cross someone's radar, a certain radar, I guess you open yourself up, but hey, four million right off the bat, okay?

• 21:38Laci Mosley?

  Right, I feel like I'm trying to scam an extra medium. Extra medium to small, like not, not large, not XL, you know?

• 21:45Speaker 05

  I got you.

• 21:47Laci Mosley?

  So who is Heather Morgan and Elia Lichtenstein? Uh, so in her own words, Heather Morgan is a software entrepreneur, writer, rapper, CEO and persuasion expert. That is the, the strongest rebrand of liar and manipulator that I've ever heard.

• 22:07Speaker 05

  I was just about to ask, what the hell does that even mean? Look, you, you gotta break this stuff down for me. Persuasion expert, okay?

• 22:14Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, she's just an expert in persuasion, you know? Whatever you need to be persuaded, she can provide. So we have a little video here. Look at her. Okay, we're gonna post the photos of her. She's giving us a strong she-EO pose here. Um, I don't, the, all these clothing items that she's wearing, it looks like she's going to different places.

• 22:35Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 22:36Laci Mosley?

  The blazer is giving me like a distant cousin's funeral. The shirt is giving me like fifty percent off at Delia's.

• 22:46Speaker 05

  Definitely. Wait a second. Are those leggings?

• 22:49Laci Mosley?

  They're, I think they're leggings. They're giving fabletics. It's like, are you, are you going to the gym?

• 22:54Speaker 05

  What's the weather like where you're going?

• 22:56Laci Mosley?

  Right. Are you going to a coworker's daughter's quinceañera? Where are you going? I don't know. So we have a video where she did talk about the topic of being an expert in persuasion a little bit. Let's just play a little bit of that. And I'm seeing that, um, uh, the title of the PowerPoint where we're about to start this video is how to social engineer your way into, in all caps, anything. Okay, so she's at some hotel lobby. Oh, she's rapping.

• 23:31Laci Mosley?

  Okay, please, please stop. Oh, my God.

• 23:35Speaker 05

  I have one question. What's that brother in the bottom left corner doing there? Cause I was, my, my comment was gonna be, you, you notice we, we not in this crap. Wait, no, damn. He led me down, led me down for the, you know, fellow big brothers and, and on top of that, we, we, we can see you, bro.

• 23:52Laci Mosley?

  Yo, he's trying to be a social engineer. He trying to socially engineer his way into the art of, uh, being a persuasion expert. Also, like, sis, not you starting this TED Talk with your rap song, which I did watch the music video. I think we'll have a clip of it. You'll be, get to see a little bit of it. It's insane. Also, um, Miss, Miss Girl, Miss Morgan, you are so far away from this beat.

• 24:18Laci Mosley?

  You.

• 24:20Speaker 05

  She's in New York, the beat, your beat was in Wyoming?

• 24:24Laci Mosley?

  Like, girl, you are in witness protection from the beat. Like, you ain't ever seen the beat, heard the beat so far off of it. It don't rhyme. What's happening? It's, ah, okay, go ahead, Jibril. What were you gonna say? Cause, Lord, so we have the one black man here, uh, diversity, inclusion.

• 24:43Speaker 05

  I, I, I need, honestly, I need, I need more follow up on him. Was he a plant? Did they say, did they walk outside and go, hmm, hmm, you, what, that guy, that, like, how, how did he wind up there? That, that's really my main question. And then also, like, what was she rapping about?

• 24:57Laci Mosley?

  I feel like you don't need any plants when you're trying to sell something like this. I feel like probably white people would feel more comfortable if there were no people of color in the audience. Like, we got here first, like, we on the, we on this first, and then it'll trickle down to the minorities, but we need to learn how to be persuasion experts first.

• 25:14Speaker 05

  I mean, fair.

• 25:14Laci Mosley?

  So I don't, yeah, I don't know if people would be like, where are all the black people at this meeting?

• 25:19Speaker 05

  I don't know. I mean, she, she did lead in with a rap. She, she led in with a rap and even, even throw a mofo in there at that, said, you know.

• 25:27Laci Mosley?

  Right. And it feels like y'all are at an airport Marriott. I don't know if you should just be dropping motherfuckers, like, at the, I.

• 25:34Speaker 05

  Even though I listened to the show, I was like, wait, can I say that? Yeah.

• 25:36Laci Mosley?

  Yes. Oh, yeah. We are not safe for work, and everybody knows that. So she even got into streetwear design, which she wore both in her music video as a rapper and to industry events. So she also got into streetwear design. She said, uh, Rihanna, um.

• 25:56Speaker 05

  Oh, stop it.

• 25:59Laci Mosley?

  Hold, hold, hold my beer. You know, I'm, I'm, I'm gonna rap, I'm gonna sing, and also gonna put out, uh, terrible clothes.

• 26:07Speaker 05

  Her hat is zero fucks. I'm guessing that's what that is? That, that is, this is fantastic.

• 26:11Laci Mosley?

  It is.

• 26:12Speaker 05

  Is is this a gold sequin jacket over a cheetah print?

• 26:16Laci Mosley?

  I believe so. Yeah, she's giving us a gold sequin bomber and then a cheetah print and then it looks like she has on like a a a T-shirt that almost looks like a flannel underneath, like a button up. It's got like three little buttons. It's like, are you cold? Are you hot?

• 26:34Speaker 05

  Did she just basically watch like late eighties and nineties, you know, movies that they featured like what they thought rappers look like? Because that's what this was. Wow, she really is wearing like the leggings and.

• 26:44Laci Mosley?

  Maybe she made those leggings because she has them on again and they're fascinating because they have these little sheer panels, but the panels are at the thigh part, which is like not normally where you would want to panel. Like I have thick thighs and I don't want sheerness where the where the friction. No, not where the friction is happening. Um, I have what we call a thunder thigh and yeah, I don't, uh, this is a lot. Um, so she's in the Fidai district of New York, um, posing and and and rapping in her in her clothes, girl. She's also a clothie air. So Heather grew up in Tahama, a town of about four hundred people in Northern California. She studied economics in school, but ultimately moved to San Francisco to create a marketing firm.

• 27:28Laci Mosley?

  Additionally, she spent time in the Middle East, working in currency markets. Um, so Elia Lichtenstein was born in Russia in nineteen eighty seven, though he moved to the U. S. With his parents as a child. He grew up the son of a wealthy mortgage broker in Chicago. So this is Elia with his cat. Okay.

• 27:46Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 27:47Laci Mosley?

  As an adult, he co-founded a sales company in San Francisco, which secured a one point five million dollar investment from Mark Cuban and others in the same year. Okay, so he got a little Mavs money behind him.

• 27:58Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 27:59Laci Mosley?

  The two tech entrepreneurs met in twenty fourteen when Alia became an advisor to Heather's company. Despite their differences, mostly how they're viewed, having lives on social media, the two married in twenty eighteen. Note that her husband Alia didn't embrace social media like Heather did. Well, duh, I mean, oh, wait.

• 28:19Speaker 05

  Come on, girl.

• 28:20Laci Mosley?

  I'm gonna say he didn't did it. Marina, as soon as I read he didn't embrace social media, she brought up the most bizarre looking TikTok video that we haven't even played, but it's just the way he's laying on this bed. What is happening?

• 28:34Speaker 05

  What is going on? It's is she gonna be rapping in the background?

• 28:37Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, but he's laying on the bed like it's Valentine's Day and he about to surprise Bay like.

• 28:44Speaker 05

  Like it's rose petals everywhere.

• 28:46Laci Mosley?

  Yes, it's giving rose petals. He got the knees tucked in like it's giving like baddie like. You know, pregnancy photo shoot.

• 28:56Speaker 05

  He also has the double collar going like so. So what are we doing here? This is not two thousand eight.

• 29:01Laci Mosley?

  And is he on a bed or a pullout or and then what is going on with this blind situation in the back? I'm so confused. It's a hotel.

• 29:09Speaker 05

  I I just don't understand it.

• 29:11Laci Mosley?

  Can we hit play on this TikTok? I'm scared, but let's just see what's going on.

• 29:16Speaker 10

  Interesting when I say recorded the first time, okay, because I'm not a little wind up. Little dancing monkey that's gonna repeat the exact same thing.

• 29:26Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I'm very confused. There's two trashcans by this pullout bed situation.

• 29:34Speaker 05

  And there were multiple, tho- those were multiple laughs in the background, like is there an audience there? Wha- what do you, where is the setting?

• 29:40Laci Mosley?

  Also, his voice is not what I thought it was gonna sound like.

• 29:46Speaker 05

  I was holding on, I was holding on, but as soon as I heard it, I was like, okay, I don't know if I'm allowed to make fun of this guy, so I'm.

• 29:51Laci Mosley?

  Right. I'm like, all right, sir. So as an adult, he co-founded a sales company, you know, that got the Mark Cuban's coins. Uh, they got married, even though obviously they're very different. At their wedding in Culver City, her friends carried her down the aisle in a Moroccan. Plankton as the final countdown played. Uh, what is a Moroccan plankton? And these are her friends. I guess, well, she did spend some time in the Middle East, so maybe she was like, y'all come to my wedding, but also like. Is this true, she did this?

• 30:28Speaker 05

  I was gonna say, what type of appropriation is this? And my man is so disgusted by it. He's picking his nose at, you know, in your picture.

• 30:34Laci Mosley?

  I mean, I won't lie, it's kind of fire, you know, so I mean, and the final countdown is playing, which is bizarre, okay. At the reception, she performed her song Turkish Martha Stewart.

• 30:46Speaker 05

  Wait.

• 30:47Laci Mosley?

  Hmm.

• 30:48Speaker 05

  Oh, I thought you had video of this. I was like, please.

• 30:50Laci Mosley?

  I think we have a hyperlink of at least the song. Can we hear some of Turkish Martha Stewart? Even though, okay, just play it.

• 30:59Speaker 11

  Turkish Martha Stewart, keep going up in her skirt, been trapping with dessert, gone poppy from the dirt.

• 31:07Laci Mosley?

  Oh, sure.

• 31:10Speaker 05

  There's so much pelvic thrusting going on. There's so much just confusing and still like, I don't know if she's in Turkey right now, but that beat again is not anywhere.

• 31:20Laci Mosley?

  Start, start. Why she say, why she say start like that?

• 31:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, like is she trying to do like skirt? Is she trying to do that? Cause I, I kinda thought that's what she was doing, but it still doesn't play and it, it doesn't really fit.

• 31:32Laci Mosley?

  If you're not from Turkey, how are you Turkish Martha Stewart? You're not from Turkey.

• 31:37Speaker 05

  Wait, she's Russian, right?

• 31:39Laci Mosley?

  No, she, her husband is Russian. She's from Cali.

• 31:43Speaker 05

  I got nothing. Oh yeah, I forgot. She's from a, a small town in Northern California and she probably tells people she's from the Bay.

• 31:49Laci Mosley?

  Right, which equals Turkey. I am confusion. I am confusion. I, okay, so in early 2018, both Heather and Alia quit their jobs working for large companies. Heather attributed the transition to CEO burnout, which was later cured by discovering her rap persona, Razzle Khan. I know damn well.

• 32:16Speaker 05

  She goes by Razzle Khan?

• 32:17Laci Mosley?

  I know. I know you did not put a Khan on it and it's K H A N.

• 32:25Laci Mosley?

  It should be C O N, but it's K H A. It's sweet. I know they told us that a lot of us are related to Genghis, but since this ain't it, you ain't really, huh? So we have another TikTok. Let's just play a little bit of this. I'm, I'm already tired of Heather. I, I'm exhausted. Okay, so.

• 32:44Speaker 11

  Don't hate, cause I look great, smell great, taste great. Don't hate. This ain't a debate. We ain't gonna date. Even though I make you wanna masturbate.

• 32:57Laci Mosley?

  My mouth is a gape.

• 32:59Speaker 05

  I I don't have anything for this like I.

• 33:01Laci Mosley?

  Cause you make me wanna masturbate.

• 33:03Speaker 05

  It's so bad. I have to seriously ask, is this a joke? Like it it it this is.

• 33:08Laci Mosley?

  Remember the beginning of the episode or this part of the episode, we said she is not a comedian. This woman is serious. That make you wanna masturbate. I get you a low interest rate. Don't hate. CEO Razzle Dazzle Con. What?

• 33:26Speaker 05

  Lacey, why couldn't, why could, well, I won't speak for you. Why couldn't I just be born into money? Cause I I feel, I feel like you have to be born into money to ever get to that level of, I don't know.

• 33:36Laci Mosley?

  Delusion.

• 33:37Speaker 05

  Delusion, yeah, complete delusion.

• 33:39Laci Mosley?

  Honestly, she looks so free and I'm a little jealous. I'm like, bro.

• 33:45Speaker 05

  I'm hating on that privilege.

• 33:46Laci Mosley?

  Am I hating from outside the club? Like. Ah, right. Hands up if you're hating from outside the club. Just uh ta- tap your neighbor if you're hating from outside the club because I would love to just be this fucking ignorant, not even just ignorant. I want this for me. I wanna have.

• 34:05Speaker 05

  I want that for you.

• 34:06Laci Mosley?

  Level of delusion, just no clue about what's happening on planet earth. You know, rapping on TikTok and then she teasing it as a new song. It's a freestyle, but it's gonna be a new song too. And hey, hey, and then how you offbeat and there's no beat in the back?

• 34:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, no beat whatsoever. Like, I don't understand that.

• 34:24Laci Mosley?

  That's a talent. I don't know how you are offbeat when there are literally no beats in sight. Like, congratulations, sis, because wow.

• 34:32Speaker 05

  You make a good point. Maybe we're the ones that are that are wrong here. She actually is talented.

• 34:37Laci Mosley?

  She might be on to something.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  We just don't realize it.

• 34:39Laci Mosley?

  You know, it's a lot of great artists, uh Van Gogh, who you know, had chopped his ear off and went and that. And didn't, and didn't get no shine until he died, you know?

• 34:49Speaker 05

  Picasso, same deal.

• 34:50Laci Mosley?

  Right, maybe we're wrong because the girls weren't loving all that art until they died, you know, maybe others. Yeah Heather, maybe she owns something.

• 35:00Speaker 05

  She's he got Rin and Tin vibes from uh what's what's it called Brown Sugar? She's got whatever that that.

• 35:06Laci Mosley?

  I rhyme and I rip, I rip and I rhyme.

• 35:08Speaker 05

  She's got a little bit of that.

• 35:09Laci Mosley?

  I don't know, they were a little bit more on meat than this.

• 35:12Speaker 05

  That's a good point.

• 35:12Laci Mosley?

  Don't go, put some respect on Rin Tin's name, cause I don't I don't know. So following her leaving the company, she co-founded, and this is in her own words. Uh, she says, it's really strange to suddenly have free time after beasting nonstop for years. It was about this time that I discovered rapping. I I really wanna know who helped you with this discovery so that we could fight them. Because we need to have a fisticuffs with said uh individuals. Uh, so it was during this time that both Alia and Heather also went on to attain other nebulous titles such as serial entrepreneur, which I've already told y'all means scammer, advisor guru, and fashion designer.

• 35:56Laci Mosley?

  Though Heather, the former CEO, didn't pick up a full-time job again, the couple traveled frequently and moved into a one million dollar Wall Street apartment. I love when you're so rich that you don't you don't have to work, nobody knows where your money comes from. When you apply for a million dollar apartment, they're just like, okay, like. I feel like when you're black and even if you've worked so hard and had some money, they're still like, how did you get this money?

• 36:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Who who are you representing? Like, what do we do?

• 36:22Laci Mosley?

  Right. Even if they see the money in your bank account, they're like, how did it get there? Is someone gonna take it back? You could've got this all your own. Who did you take this money from, niggas?

• 36:31Speaker 05

  Exactly. No, that that that is kind of amazing that that, I'm sorry, a million.

• 36:37Laci Mosley?

  No, you can be an all.

• 36:38Speaker 05

  I just wanna live her life. Like, I I'll even make those terrible, I can't rap at all. Like, so to be clear, I'm making fun of her. I can't rap. I could do better than that, but I can't. I wanted you, I want, I want that type of confidence.

• 36:51Laci Mosley?

  I do too. So the crime beyond RazzleCON, which is a crime to humanity that somebody is letting her put this on wax. So it turns out that the sudden career changes may have had less to do with wanting creative expression and more to do with a couple suddenly coming into possession of almost four billion in stolen Bitcoin. In August twenty sixteen, so they were like, oh, you know, we just wanted to pursue our passions, get a million dollar apartment. You, you know how, we was just e, e price scamming.

• 37:20Speaker 05

  Earlier when you, I, I didn't realize you said four billion. I thought you said four mil. These folks, these folks took a billy and thought this.

• 37:30Laci Mosley?

  And thought nobody was gonna ask no questions.

• 37:33Speaker 05

  Also, just, just really quickly, if you have guru in your name, you're full of shit. I don't care. If, if, if you, if your, if your card says guru of any kind, you're full of shit.

• 37:42Laci Mosley?

  Nobody can guru. I feel like somebody gotta be able to guru.

• 37:46Speaker 05

  Who?

• 37:48Laci Mosley?

  That's, I mean, look, back in the day, I feel like you could only be a guru before the internet. Because the Dalai Lama, like, people call him a guru, and like, if you look into Dalai's past, there's a lot of shit back there that ain't as cute as you think it is. But, you know, people were like, I don't know, he, he looks the part, he's very zen and calm, we never seen him yell at nobody that you've seen. And, and, and you're like, oh, okay, well, he must be a guru.

• 38:14Speaker 05

  Hey, you know what, Dalai, okay, I take it back. Dalai Lama, you can run that type of game. I'm not believing in Heather.

• 38:20Laci Mosley?

  But maybe you could just be a guru by being quiet. I feel like if you're gonna be a guru, you just have to have very uncomfortable energy that you've harnessed into superiority. Cause a lot of people have uncomfortable energy that you meet them and you're like, this nigga's a weirdo. But if you're a weirdo and you learn how to harness that into like, a power, like an ego, like move where you can be superior to people, that's where you become a guru. Cause you're still making people uncomfortable and unsettled, but now they're like, is it cause I'm less than?

• 38:47Speaker 05

  I was gonna say, that's kinda sounding a cult leader-ish, but.

• 38:50Laci Mosley?

  Do I feel uncomfortable cuz I'm not worthy? Hmm, you know, that's, that is.

• 38:55Speaker 05

  What does she know?

• 38:56Laci Mosley?

  Right, that's what I want. So, eh, in August twenty sixteen, the Hong Kong crypto exchange by Finex was hacked, leading to the loss of a hundred twenty thousand Bitcoins at the time, sixty-six million dollars, right? Um, which, that's the thing about Bitcoin, it's all online, and I get it, like, everybody's like, the future. I won't lie, like, I'm not trying to be a hater on, like, crypto, because it's obviously a part of our lives. Like, if you Venmo, it's crypto, like, all money online is crypto, in a way, you know, it's online currency. But i- it just feels like because the banking industry and stocks and everything else has been so overrun with the same Wall Street types,

• 39:37Laci Mosley?

  that the new tech bro Wall Street types were like, well, how do we get in and, like, ruin everybody's lives? Oh, we do crypto, and this is how we'll ruin everyone's lives, uh, with currency. I don't think you can get in the crypto game, but I think you have to get out. I don't think you can just, like, live in it. And, eh, because eh, I don't know, I think that anything that involves people advertising it to try to get more people involved is a scam. Cuz if you were making money hand over fist, I have never seen a benevolent capitalist. I've never seen any billionaire or money hoarder be like, oh, we making so much coin, y'all come over here and get involved. That's not how money works.

• 40:16Speaker 05

  That's exactly the case. Anytime you have to sell me on it, you are trying to sell me. I'm not that, look, I'm not gonna be the one. And maybe I missed the boat, maybe I end up missing the boat. You know what, Lacey, you might, we might circle back in a year and you're gonna be like, hey, look, I, I got my million dollars.

• 40:32Laci Mosley?

  Get in and get out, I'm just saying, don't stay, cuz I don't know what happens when you stay. That's all I'm saying. Maybe dip a toe if you have some, you know, income that you, you can be frivolous with, but I'm just saying, don't stay. Because if crypto's buying ads in the Super Bowl, you know, it's like, why y'all gotta sell it if it's so good? Why y'all gotta tell us?

• 40:53Speaker 05

  On the biggest stage, when you know it's folks that are just looking.

• 40:56Laci Mosley?

  If they bought the Staples Center and called it crypto.com, I'm like, hmm. Why?

• 41:02Speaker 05

  But then again, I'll be honest with you. It, it, you, you know what's gonna sell. You have folks that were going ahead and scanning that, scanning that screen. I looked at, I looked at that and said like, no, I don't think so.

• 41:11Laci Mosley?

  Right. I was like, I'm good. I'm not gonna put my phone camera up here for the court tea. I think I'm good.

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• 43:19Laci Mosley?

  But I get it and I'm saying Dipato like if you have somebody who's got some plugs if you if you have Bitcoin Bitcoin is appreciated so much and like people made a lot of legit money off of it. I'm you know I always say on this podcast like make sure you're trading from a legitimate source. So to this day, no one has been caught for the theft of the actual Bitcoin that happened uh in the Hong Kong crypto exchange, right? Heather and Alia came into possession of roughly 95,000 of those Bitcoins in early 2017 through a series of small, complex transactions. So remember, 120,000 Bitcoins were stolen. Somehow Heather and her Russian bae have come up on 95,000 of

• 44:01Laci Mosley?

  them, which means that only 25,000 of them they did not get. So who did y'all know who stole this? Because y'all came up on a significant amount of the coins.

• 44:11Speaker 05

  Whatever Russian oligarch that is associated with this gentleman, I want to uh offer on my on my part as well as on Lacey's part, we apologize for anything that was offensive.

• 44:21Laci Mosley?

  Listen, so at today's value, the 95,000 Bitcoins that they got roughly translates to about $4 billion in stolen crypto. The problem and reason why the couple did not simply disappear with their hoard was that with a hack that big and notorious, the stolen Bitcoins were almost immediately blacklisted. So you know with Bitcoin, blockchain, all this stuff like they can figure out there's a receipt, there's a CVS long receipt for all of this shit. So they couldn't just be like, okay, my like the Squid Game coin people when they like took $3 billion and was like, oh y'all like that TV show and we stole your money, bye. They couldn't do that with $4 billion. You can't just make $4 billion disappear off the ether. So whoever possessed the crypto couldn't redeem

• 45:03Laci Mosley?

  it for cash or trade it in reputable exchanges. This left a massive amount to be laundered, which only increased year after year as the couple held on to the hoard and the Bitcoin value soared. So normally when you have Bitcoin and the value's going up, you'd be like, oh, this is amazing. This is great for them. This is an L because they're like, damn, it did better today? Oh, hell. Like, how are they gonna get this shit back on the market legally seeming um when they have so much volume to move? One of the only ways they could actually use the Bitcoin was through purchasing $500 Walmart gift cards. Wow.

• 45:39Speaker 05

  No, they went the Walmart gift card route?

• 45:42Laci Mosley?

  This is so ghetto. Five hundred dollars at a time. Y'all ain't never gonna launder this money.

• 45:47Speaker 05

  Never.

• 45:48Laci Mosley?

  Y'all had a laundry bag. Y'all laundering with quarters.

• 45:53Speaker 05

  Let me, let me ask this. How did they have like the wherewithal? I want, you know, whether it's intelligence or wherewithal. How did they have the ability to pull this scam off but have no plan whatsoever? And why would they have stayed here and not at least traveled to a place that wouldn't extradite? I just don't understand. Like, you, you come up, you come up with.

• 46:12Laci Mosley?

  You saw how this woman was rapping.

• 46:15Speaker 05

  It's a good point. That's a good point. You're right. Like, I, I should not expect her to have a.

• 46:18Laci Mosley?

  We have to attribute that level of delusion in her rap career to that level of delusion in her financial crime career. Because clearly she was high on something. Uh, maybe it's life, but whatever it was, girl, stop taking it. So the couple began traveling abroad more often, like you said, because obviously the US ain't that girl for all of this. Going to Ukraine in 2019 and meeting with money launderers. While they developed their plans to leave the country with their billions successfully turned to cash, they continued to live their entire lives online. Now, listen, even the creator of Bitcoin, we don't know who that person is. Like, why are you a public figure when you know you sitting on billions of dollars?

• 47:01Laci Mosley?

  And you know, you literally know that you are getting the tide, you're getting the shout, you're getting the gain. And you're seizing in the laundry like black people where you put like 12 game sheets in the dryer. Like, you are laundering laundering money. You know, you are doing a fold and press. You are taking stuff out of the, uh, you know, the permanent press cycle and hanging it on the draw, on the clothesline. Like, you are laundering laundering money. Why would you be online?

• 47:29Speaker 05

  I don't understand. Like, it wasn't just enough to pull the scam off. They had to let you know. They had to flex on you. Hey, look, if, if, if that's where we're at, I, I guess. I'll tell you right now, I am from a generation where if I ever, if I get my hands on something like that, you'll never hear from me again.

• 47:43Laci Mosley?

  Ever.

• 47:43Speaker 05

  It's gonna be, it's gonna be like, I'll still listen, hey, look, I, I, I'll give you some listens, I'll make sure to go even listen through your, listen through your promo so you get the full credit. But outside of that, that's it.

• 47:52Laci Mosley?

  If Scam got this podcast drop off the map and I don't tell y'all that I'm not doing episodes no more, just know I didn't hit a lick and I'm gone. I'm gone. You will never see, you'll never see me again. What? Like, this is crazy. So they traveled to and from business meetings exclusively by Uber during their Ukraine excursion. Uh, which, why would you do that? There's a record of Uber that's gonna tell people where you got dropped off, where you got picked up. Girl, y'all better find a yellow cab, y'all better rent a car, y'all got all these coins, why are y'all operating on anything that's technological? Why are y'all operating through technology? Why?

• 48:28Speaker 05

  I don't feel guilty about saying this, these are the dumbest crooks that I've heard of so far.

• 48:31Laci Mosley?

  And they shouldn't be.

• 48:33Speaker 05

  In order to be that successful at that.

• 48:35Laci Mosley?

  Cause y'all are white collar crooks, like y'all should know by now, if you work on Wall Street, you should know a decent amount about crime. What are you doing?

• 48:42Speaker 05

  Or no other criminals that can at least like, you'll say, hey, hey, my, my, my man, or you know, Heather, don't do this.

• 48:47Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, y'all need a criminal guru. Y'all need a crime guru who could help y'all, give y'all philosophical advice and in return, you pay them for their silence. So Razzle Khan's raps, and Razzle Khan is Heather, I, I cannot call her that. Heather, I am not calling her that name.

• 49:04Speaker 05

  You can just call it Khan for short.

• 49:05Laci Mosley?

  And no, that's even worse. So Heather, Ms. Ms. Razzle Dazzle, uh, her raps included lyrics such as Spearfish your passwords slash all funds transferred. And, okay, so I guess you're trying to give little tips in your raps? Maybe I need to listen to these raps about financial crime, like she might be giving it to us.

• 49:27Speaker 05

  She giving up the game in the rhymes, that is amazing. I'm sorry, like, what is, what, it, okay. So can we just, just quickly? She's a rapper. Uh, uh, uh, amongst all those other things. They pulled this scam off. They got it and they would have gotten away with it.

• 49:43Laci Mosley?

  Yup.

• 49:44Speaker 05

  They decided to broadcast it.

• 49:46Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 49:46Speaker 05

  And then she's, and then she's gonna talk about it in her own rhymes. No one's gonna hear them, but if in, just in the case that they do. She has given the game up and told what she did. Okay. I'm sorry. I, I didn't mean, I didn't, yeah, that's, that's amazing to me.

• 50:01Laci Mosley?

  She said, my name is Heather. I ain't from Turkey, but I keep. The, I can't even do it. Like, she's like, I.

• 50:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's bad.

• 50:09Laci Mosley?

  She's like, I keep them cons on me like faux jerky. I'm the realist in the biz because I will steal all your shit. Spearfish, yo password, all funds transferred illegally. Like, what are you doing? Like, I, no. So, Alia, her husband, kept files on the cloud storage account for documents such as notes about money laundering and forged identification documents to get them into Ukraine. The cloud?

• 50:38Speaker 05

  And they took notes.

• 50:40Laci Mosley?

  The cloud. The literal thing that Steven Jobs and his black turtle ass neck ass made that no one understands.

• 50:52Speaker 05

  I'm going to be a stereotypical, uh, black male right now and I'm gonna quote the wire. You taking notes on a criminal fucking conspiracy?

• 51:00Laci Mosley?

  Bro.

• 51:01Speaker 05

  Like, what, what are we doing?

• 51:03Laci Mosley?

  You got receipts for your crime? You like, we gotta keep all these Walmart receipts. We might need to take back these, what? You keeping blue light special receipts? Are y'all on cra- is a crap? Because I, I, I just know that no one is this dumb. Like, I think Kevin, who's trying to get a dollar from everybody to start his own Lotto. I don't think he's gonna keep receipts of the dollars that he receives. I cannot believe that y'all would put shit on the fucking cloud. No one knows how the cloud works. Have you not seen how many celebrities got their nipples aired out because it was on the cloud? The cloud is hella accessible. It's called the cloud for a reason, cuz we're all like, we learned in school what clouds do. We did.

• 51:45Speaker 05

  We did know they're there.

• 51:46Laci Mosley?

  But it's it's like gas. I don't know. It's white. It looks solid, but it's not. When you in a plane, you fly through it. It's you know, sometimes rain. We we've all learned about clouds and we still don't know shit about the cloud, which is why they named it the fucking cloud because how? How? So it was their internet service provider that alerted the couple in the early twenty twenty ones that a grand jury was seeking records related to them. So Comcast or AT and T or whoever the fuck they high speed provider was, which shout out to the internet provider. Y'all must have been paying for some high speed shit if they were like, hey, y'all. Um, it's us at AT and T, um.

• 52:26Laci Mosley?

  And we we all are value customers. Y'all are. Uh, love all the SIM cards y'all are getting across the world. Uh, love the high speed that y'all are getting. Uh, please continue to pay for stars. There will be more power installments. Uh, fifty cent is writing a bible. But, um, just wanted to ask y'all, cause the government did call us. And they did say that they needed like records. They wanted certain files that y'all have, like one called crime. Another one called money laundering. Um, yeah, what?

• 53:00Speaker 05

  It also feels like that is that's illegal. Like, is the is the internet service provider allowed to, you know, kind of give them the heads up? I mean, it didn't help, but.

• 53:10Laci Mosley?

  I mean, uh, I guess. Look, the internet service provider was like, we been in and we are not in it. All we did was put them ethernet cords in your house. Just wanna let y'all know. And and and honestly, I would do the same thing if I was the internet service provider, especially depending on where they were. I don't want them to think I was involved. Like, if you got that much money, like, you definitely could do murders.

• 53:31Speaker 05

  In a real way. Yeah, that's a good point.

• 53:33Laci Mosley?

  Yeah. So I just want the girls to know, like, I don't need to be murdered, you know? We just over here connecting things, you know?

• 53:40Speaker 05

  We just a middleman.

• 53:41Laci Mosley?

  We're just over here making sure your Wi Fi is, that's it, that's all we're doing. So as of today, it appears that Heather and Alia continued attempting to carry out their plan until early this year. So they were like, okay, the government's on to us, but you know, we're gonna continue getting these Walmart gift cards and wrapping and doing TikToks and living our lives. Cause you know, why not? So their arrest on January 5th, 2022, investigators arrived at Heather and Alia's apartment with a search warrant. There was allegedly a struggle when Heather attempted to trick investigators and lock them out of her phone while pretending to retrieve her cat. Okay, so she was like, hold on, I gotta go get Mittens.

• 54:23Speaker 05

  I was gonna say, she really did say like, hold on, timeout, timeout. She tried to call timeout on an arrest?

• 54:27Laci Mosley?

  She tried to timeout on a search warrant. She was like, hold on, Mittens is very antsy, y'all. Hold on, Mittens got, um, anxiety. Y'all can't come in here. Let me get the cat net.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  Once again, the privilege, because again, if they are come, look, if they come to your, if they come to your door, my door, and anyone that we know, they're not just gonna be like, hey, can we come in? The first of they gonna kick that door in.

• 54:45Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 54:46Speaker 05

  And it's not gonna, you're not gonna have time.

• 54:47Laci Mosley?

  They'll tear all my shit up. They got like.

• 54:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, Mittens would be gone. R I P Mittens, I'm sorry.

• 54:53Laci Mosley?

  Right, they would have thrown Mittens out the two-story window. What are you talking about? It's like, she, she got a search warrant done, like the cleaning people were coming. She was like, yeah, it's right over there. Make sure to be delicate with my, my linens. What? I just feel like they would definitely arrest you. So she lost the ensuing wrestling match over her cellphone and officers found forty thousand dollars in cash and large amounts of money in other currencies in a hollowed-out book for transporting bills and a bag labeled burner phone. Now why?

• 55:24Speaker 05

  Stop it. They wrote burner phone on the bag.

• 55:27Laci Mosley?

  I'm tired of these people. This is just the most laziest. They say, uh, they opened our book called crime. Okay, so we're looking at books right now that they've hollowed out and it's like they've only learned crime from television. Why, what? Y'all thought they were gonna open the books? And also, these aren't even big enough books. Like, you can't get that much cash in these books, even if you're doing hundred-dollar bills. At most, you're getting ten thousand in each of these books. How?

• 55:52Speaker 05

  No.

• 55:54Laci Mosley?

  Burner, not her burner charger. She was, I will say Heather's organized. She was like, this is where I keep my burner charger so I don't, my burner don't die. This is my crime phone. This is my murder phone. We haven't used that one yet. We need to get a SIM card for the murder phone. Um, what?

• 56:08Speaker 05

  But, but, my, my real question is, it's fine to put it in that bag. Why do you need to label it? Why do you need to write burner phone? Like, you know it's your burner phone.

• 56:17Laci Mosley?

  Were you gonna forget the phones that you have associated with crime? Also, when people knock on your door with a search warrant, the first thing I would have done was pull the SIM cards out of those phones, or at least drop them bitches in the toilet and, and hit flush a couple of times. Like, what are you doing?

• 56:33Speaker 05

  Again, no plan, no plan whatsoever.

• 56:35Laci Mosley?

  I would have been doing an Irish jig on them phones, just dancing after I poured soda water all over them like something. Fire, fire's good. Burn it with fire.

• 56:44Speaker 05

  Try something, microwave, throw it in the microwave. Like, honestly, I, these are the most stimulated type of people that would make that decision.

• 56:49Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, no grill ladders. What are you doing? So, she lost the wrestling match. They obviously found everything. Additionally, the warrant extended to the couple's computers where they also found folders titled personas and passport ideas.

• 57:07Laci Mosley?

  I, y'all are really just, this is hilarious. Now, I understand why Kaelyn put that warning at the top that y'all are not comedians because I don't know if I can make this funnier than it already is. Passport ideas, y'all, like, let's throw around names. I think in my next country, I want to be Suzy Rudabega. What, what do you think about that name? But we'll put it on the Excel. We'll think about it. What?

• 57:30Speaker 05

  This, this is how bad they are. If you make a movie or a short series, shout out to you Netflix and, you know what?

• 57:36Laci Mosley?

  Right, because they love a short series.

• 57:39Speaker 05

  If you make it, you can't make it without it being a comedy. Because it's that absurd.

• 57:43Laci Mosley?

  It is. They rapping, they got all, and, and also, this also tells me that y'all don't really, before you got into rap culture, you didn't even study anything about it. Because even if you're on the scammer rap side, if you would just listen to some lyrics, they would have taught you something about this.

• 58:02Speaker 05

  Listening to some Jeezy, some

• 58:03Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 58:04Speaker 05

  Listen, li- li- like, I

• 58:05Laci Mosley?

  What Jeezy say, I keep my hands clean, I never touch dope, like, what?

• 58:09Speaker 05

  Hello?

• 58:10Laci Mosley?

  Y'all touching all the dope. What are y'all doing?

• 58:13Speaker 05

  Touching it all, and letting you know that they got it. Hey, look, I got dope in my hands.

• 58:16Laci Mosley?

  Literally, why I got a label maker and y'all like, alright, D O P E, okay, put this one on the top shelf, that's the dope. Okay, burner phones, B U R N E Y, oh, I'm running out of tape, can you go to the container store? Cause we gotta label the rest of this prime. What do you, you just made this the easiest fucking search warrant ever, like, what? So, it wasn't until January thirty first that investigators were finally able to decrypt files on Aliyah's hard drive and find a stash of missing bitcoins, so at least he encrypted them, which you should have known, the government has hackers now.

• 58:47Speaker 05

  They're gonna get in there.

• 58:48Laci Mosley?

  And even if they don't have good hackers, the thing is, a lot of good hackers will strike a deal and be like, I guess I'll keep crime off the streets if y'all keep me at the sale. So, you're playing. The couple was arrested and posted a combined eight million dollars in bonds, secured in part by both their parents' homes, privilege, your parents' homes. Also, if I was your mama, the last thing I'm doing is putting up my house, you're not, I wouldn't even give y'all my lawn. I wouldn't even give y'all the sprinkler system. I'm not putting shit up, cause y'all seem like the type who are gonna run.

• 59:21Speaker 05

  Remember that I told you about my country family, right?

• 59:22Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 59:23Speaker 05

  I, I, I remember a day, I remember a day like it was yesterday, I was about thirteen, fourteen years old, and one of my cousins called my mama and said, hey, can you put your house up for me? And her exact words were, fuck, no. Just like that. This is a, this is a, this is a good old southern woman that doesn't do, doesn't even speak like that, well, she does, but you know, she'd like to say this, she doesn't.

• 59:41Laci Mosley?

  Put some clarity on it, she had to really, I mean, she needed to know she wasn't gonna think about it, she wasn't gonna sleep on it. Don't call her back in a few hours. The answer is no, today, tomorrow, always and in perpetuity, amen.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  Exactly, e- e- exactly that.

• 59:55Laci Mosley?

  She said in his name.

• 59:57Speaker 05

  And he, exactly, in, in his holiest of holy name.

• 1:00:00Laci Mosley?

  Okay, I know Jesus came back on the third day, but he ain't come back again, and neither, and don't you, don't you come back, okay?

• 1:00:06Speaker 05

  Yeah, don't, don't come back.

• 1:00:07Laci Mosley?

  So, neither have entered pleas, though Heather's lawyer claims that she was a passive participant in Aliyah's grand scheme to launder money and flee the country. Oh, now you're putting your husband under the bus. Oh, she warned her husband under several buses. Oh, wow.

• 1:00:24Speaker 05

  She was gonna write a ramble.

• 1:00:25Laci Mosley?

  Oh, yeah, you gotta get out of this relationship because your rapping, your rapping white wife is about to do you. She won't come out with raps talking about trapped, trapped, trapped in an abusive con relationship.

• 1:00:38Speaker 05

  He, he made me do it all.

• 1:00:39Laci Mosley?

  He ma- right.

• 1:00:40Speaker 05

  That, that, that's a, it's a guarantee that that's going to be.

• 1:00:43Laci Mosley?

  That's the next single, He Made Me Do It All. Hey, y'all, it's me, Turkish Martha Stewart. I'm not trying to go to jail. Like, look, you called yourself Martha Stewart, so you kind of.

• 1:00:52Speaker 05

  In a real way.

• 1:00:53Laci Mosley?

  You willed yourself into a financial crime bed.

• 1:00:57Speaker 05

  Hey, she, she spoke it, she wrapped it into it.

• 1:00:59Laci Mosley?

  Into existence. You gotta be careful what you rap. You might rap it into existence. So Chief Judge Beryl A. Howell ruled that all you stay in custody because of the extreme likelihood that he would attempt to flee while Heather met the criteria for a supervised release. How? They were together.

• 1:01:18Laci Mosley?

  I know they found all the financial stuff on his computer, but they were together and she was wrestling somebody for fun. I just feel like if you go.

• 1:01:24Speaker 05

  She was rapping about it.

• 1:01:25Laci Mosley?

  If you go strong call Steve Austin or somebody for your cellphone, you should also be in the jail awaiting trial.

• 1:01:32Speaker 05

  She flipped on him. That had to be.

• 1:01:33Laci Mosley?

  Oh, she must.

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  She had, she must have told on him and put, and put him in.

• 1:01:37Laci Mosley?

  She went full Simone Biles. She, she got on the beam, just started flip, flip, flip, flip, flipping, tens across the board. She stuck all the landings, was like, I don't know him.

• 1:01:47Speaker 05

  That one took me a second, I'm not gonna lie. I was like, wait, full Simone up?

• 1:01:50Laci Mosley?

  She was like, I don't know him. And, and, and stuck the landing. Stick it. I mean, I can't be mad at that as, as a woman, you know, flip on your man, you know?

• 1:02:02Speaker 05

  We, we, we watched that TikTok. She was gonna flip on him. Come on, man. Again, I'm not trying to be judgmental. We watched that and we do.

• 1:02:09Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, you're right. From the TikTok, we could tell that she was a snitch.

• 1:02:12Speaker 05

  Yeah, she la- first of all, she laughed in that man's face.

• 1:02:15Laci Mosley?

  She did.

• 1:02:15Speaker 05

  With her friend.

• 1:02:16Laci Mosley?

  Cackled with her friends in his face while he was laid up on the bedpost, trying to give the girls all that he had.

• 1:02:23Speaker 05

  All of it. He was showing.

• 1:02:25Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I'm not gonna do this again. I can't, I'm gonna do it a different way. She was like, okay, boo. He's so dumb. Yeah, uh, and I mean, if she's a real rapper, maybe she got her Megan Thee Stallion on. She was like, leave these niggas holding the bag. You know, mwah, you know?

• 1:02:40Laci Mosley?

  She stuck her tongue out and say, ow, real high girl shit. Real fraud girl shit. Okay.

• 1:02:47Speaker 05

  The real question is, does she have enough money to get a mega, a mega feature at some point?

• 1:02:52Laci Mosley?

  I mean, these rap videos are giving low budget, but she did it without getting chased out on the streets. And you can't really film like that in New York. They know when the girls are filming. So maybe she got a coin, maybe she had a permit. If convicted, Aliyah and Heather could face up to 25 years in prison for money laundering and conspiracy. The thing is, is that this is not even physical coin. It's Bitcoin. So can't they just return the coin and unencrypt the thing that was blocking it and all is well, that ends well? It's just, 25 years, I think about prison time a- as a taxpayer. And this isn't a violent crime. These people are goofy as fuck. Like, I don't know if they need to spend 25 years in the can.

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  It does seem extreme, but honestly, four billion. Like, I think it's because of the amount.

• 1:03:39Laci Mosley?

  I just think-

• 1:03:40Speaker 05

  The amount of scamming that had to go into it.

• 1:03:41Laci Mosley?

  I just think of crypto as a rich man's game. And I'm like, who did they really harm? Because obviously, but at the same time, I don't know who bought into Bitcoin. And maybe you have a lot of savings, your life savings tied up into it. And perhaps it's, obviously it was very harmful if they stole 100. Whoever originally stole it stole 120,000 Bitcoin. And if 95,000 of those Bitcoin equal four billion dollars, then a lot of people got robbed. And I don't know if there's a way, like the FDIC is insured. I don't know how it works with crypto. So, you know, financial crime does harm people extremely. People need money. The only people who ever say money doesn't buy happiness is fucking rich people, which is why they need to shut the fuck up. Because you know how happy you can sleep when all your bills are paid? Do you know how happy you can feel when you got food? Yeah, you may have other issues. You may have family issues. You may have health issues.

• 1:04:27Laci Mosley?

  But even if you have health issues, you know how happy you would be when you go to the hospital? You don't have to worry about the girl shaking you down before you get your procedures.

• 1:04:34Speaker 05

  Listen, I, I, I, I, I understand the old adage of more money, more problems, but I want those problems.

• 1:04:39Laci Mosley?

  Right. I would rather have the money problems than the lack of money problems because nobody ever says

• 1:04:43Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:04:43Laci Mosley?

  No money, more problems, which is definitely a thing. It's just that we assume that. But before we go, scammer of the week. This is where we highlight a charlatan who's worthy of our praise or maybe not. We'll see and we'll get Jabari's opinions. Today we are talking about Greek Orthodox priest and hedge fund manager. What a combination. Reverend Emmanuel Limson, who was found by a federal jury to have been involved in a short and distort scheme. Hmm. Short and distort. Oh, what's, what's that about? So the scheme involved shorting the stock of a San Diego based company called Ligon Pharmaceuticals Incorporated.

• 1:05:21Laci Mosley?

  Shorting is the process of borrowing securities that you don't own and selling them to another investor at a lower price while pocketing the difference. So you're borrowing the securities. And then, and so we were talking about obviously financial crime earlier with Bitcoins and now we're moving over into the stock market. Uh, shorting is a thing that happens very often and a lot of people get away with it. But unfortunately, uh, Greek Orthodox priest Reverend Emmanuel was, uh, not so blessed and fortunate to get away with his shorting. So he was borrowing, he's borrowing these securities that he doesn't own and then selling them to another investor at a lower price while pocketing the difference.

• 1:06:02Laci Mosley?

  The Reverend allegedly then manipulated the stock's price through making false statements through attacking Ligon Pharmaceuticals in the media. So, but you know, got the stock, sold it off, short, you know, for a cheaper price and then brought the stock down by talking about it, amen, as a reverend? Like what was, what was Reverend Emmanuel saying? He was like, Ligon can't heal you. Only God can heal you. They selling the devil's pharmaceuticals. What?

• 1:06:34Speaker 05

  So the first question that I have is, how long has he been a priest? Because the question I actually have is, was this a long con? Like, did he get into this position so that he could be a reputable, believable individual? Someone you put the little paper there? You get the benefit of the doubt that you probably otherwise wouldn't get. Or otherwise, if you're a priest, what do you need profits for anyhow?

• 1:06:59Laci Mosley?

  Now, as a hedge fund manager, it does make sense to me to perhaps want to go into the fatherhood because, you know, you start talking about churches, especially if he has his own, like, that's a tax write-off. And then maybe some of them hedge funds I manage and turn into blessings that I write off for the church house. So Father Emmanuel Lemson manages a hedge fund, lives on a three-acre estate in Boston in a suburb, and on weekends tends to his flock at the St. George Greek Orthodox Church in Keene, New Hampshire. Wow.

• 1:07:34Speaker 05

  So my man is basically a hedge fund manager that just does church on the weekends. Okay, man, that's a real hustle right there.

• 1:07:41Laci Mosley?

  I mean, you really only need to do church on the weekends, you know? Like, he come in, do the services, he gonna give y'all four services, you know, two before the football games come on and two during for the girls who don't care. And, I mean, he was doing it. He earned 1.3 million dollars as a result of the stock price falling. Brother Lemson advocates an investment philosophy based on Christian ethics. So he said, "God and the NASDAQ."

• 1:08:11Speaker 05

  Wants this.

• 1:08:14Speaker 05

  That's fantastic. Look, I've always, you know, I mean no disrespect, you know, to religion or anybody that is religious, but I've always been entertained. I've always been entertained by some of the ways that the folks that consider themselves holy, you know, can also... Excuse themselves, you know, for this type of behavior. Actually, yeah. Yeah, that's it.

• 1:08:38Laci Mosley?

  It's always been one of the harder things for me because I just think as a religious leader, the one thing which I think is impossible for human beings in general. I feel like the one thing though as a religious leader is that you need to abstain from like the obvious sins. Like I feel like you shouldn't be cheating on your wife. I should, you shouldn't be stealing. You shouldn't be involved in illegal activity, just simply because that's your whole brand. I feel like you have to stay away from those vices and rarely do we see anyone in the religious community abstain from those vices. It's giving righteous gemstones.

• 1:09:14Speaker 05

  There's a lot of folks, I'll, I'll just say this, and I mean, again, I mean no disrespect to anybody that is religious, but there are a lot of parallels to, uh, pimps and pastors at times.

• 1:09:23Laci Mosley?

  And I, I'll just leave it at that. And, and I mean, we've seen so many pastors, especially, I don't remember the name of that pastor who recently was under fire because he spit during the pandemic into his hand and rubbed it on his brother's face.

• 1:09:37Speaker 05

  I saw that. I don't, I don't know his name either, but what do we do?

• 1:09:39Laci Mosley?

  We don't.

• 1:09:40Speaker 05

  Like even, even outside of a pandemic, what do we?

• 1:09:42Laci Mosley?

  And I had seen that pastor before he did that because a homegirl of mine who no longer subscribes to him, but she, she had him playing on a Sunday, you know, after a wild weekend that we had. You know, we turned on church if we couldn't make it during the pandemic. You know, we're good Christian.

• 1:09:54Speaker 05

  Turn it on.

• 1:09:55Laci Mosley?

  Good Christian gays. And so we turned on church and I just remember he was so extra and I was like, mm, something is up here and he's on TV. And it, it was a lot of, they had a lot of production value that I just didn't really think was necessary in church. Like I remember one time this same pastor had a sermon where he was talking about the storm and God and, and, and they had rain on stage and he was standing, uh, and his name is Mike Todd, um, Judith, uh, Judith, our super producer, so his name is Mike Todd. But he, I remember a sermon where he had the rain pouring on the stage and it was like the stage was full of water and he was stomping around and splashing and shit. And I just felt like this is a waste of funds. Like I feel like for all the money y'all spent on making it rain on this stage for probably three or four sermons today,

• 1:10:40Laci Mosley?

  you could have just donated that and deal with the church is supposed to do and why we don't tax y'all, which is be a benevolent source in the community and keep your lights on.

• 1:10:49Speaker 05

  You were also not Drew Hill or Missy Elliott in a video. What do we do?

• 1:10:53Laci Mosley?

  It was giving Omarion. He was just out here just like touched just in the rain. Like it felt like he was about to fight for the community center through dance. And as a pastor, I just don't think we need that from you.

• 1:11:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, let, let, let, let somebody else.

• 1:11:07Laci Mosley?

  I thought you could just give us cute interpretations of the Bible, send us off with, you know, some good spirits and some good intentions for the, the demons we gonna meet that week and, and that could be that. Uh, but so, you know, pastors, they can get kind of manipulative. In one video, he described the difference between, and this is Emmanuel, the hedge fund pastor. He described the difference between eastern and western Christian views on wealth, including stating that wealth is not a curse necessarily. This is in quotes, while sitting in his Boston mansion, and we're gonna watch a little clip of this in a second while they pull it up.

• 1:11:44Laci Mosley?

  Wow. I think that before we play this, I just wanna say like, I know that when you're a part of a congregation of a church where the pastor is really rich, or you know, like Joel Osteen, like the TD Jakes, they have multiple churches, cars, books, movies, whatever. It's the, I think the empathy there lies in, if I follow God, and I, I am a believer in God, uh, mostly because I'm a gambler. And I just feel like I'd rather believe in something than nothing. And, and if you ignore a lot of the wild stuff in the Bible and just kind of focusing on being kind to people and,

• 1:12:24Laci Mosley?

  and helping your neighbor, your unhoused neighbor, your neighbor who needs anything, or like just being a good, kind person and, and trying to show love to people in the world. But those principles fundamentally are really good. And I know a big principle that people kind of hold on to when they see their pastors becoming absorbently rich and driving Maseratis and Lambos and shit to church. Is like, well, why shouldn't I be able to love God and make money? Why shouldn't I be able to love God and be rich? And I think that you absolutely should be able to be a steward of God and the fundamental principles, not all that hating of gay people, not all that, you know, racism, not all that sexism, not all the weird stuff, just the good, right, the isms, just the earnest part of Christianity, then yeah.

• 1:13:08Laci Mosley?

  I don't think anybody needs to be a billionaire that's hoarding resources and hurting people, but I think you should be able to be comfortable loving God. Like, I get that.

• 1:13:17Speaker 05

  I I don't have a problem with them being comfortable. I don't even have a problem with them making, you know, having, you know, having a little bit of money, but agreed, like the billionaire ones, the one, like, I, I think it was Crefflo, Crefflo Dollar, you know what, and my bad Crefflo, uh, but.

• 1:13:30Laci Mosley?

  Now you're quoting Crefflo Dollar.

• 1:13:33Speaker 05

  I'm pretty sure it was him that had no problem saying, yeah, I know we already have a private plane, need another private plane. Pretty sure it was him. This was about a, this was a couple of years ago, and I'm sorry, man, like, for one, you got a, you had a private plane, but you also have the audacity to say, I know we have a PJ, but we need it.

• 1:13:54Laci Mosley?

  Listen, we gotta fly in the sky with no devils in the house, Jesus. You, you getting on a commercial plane, you don't know who on that plane, Jesus.

• 1:14:02Speaker 05

  Just, you just don't.

• 1:14:03Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, we need a flight log. Well, no devils in the house. Amen. Let's play this inspirational video from Head Fund Reverend Emmanuel Way.

• 1:14:13Speaker 12

  We have a notion of priesthood which is informed by the Latin or the Catholic Church, uh, and ideas about celibacy and vows of poverty and so forth.

• 1:14:24Laci Mosley?

  Emmanuel said, I'll be fucking.

• 1:14:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's what, exactly what he said.

• 1:14:27Laci Mosley?

  And I'm rich. Look at his house, his big ass windows. This is outside, not him reading his Bible outside of his mansion.

• 1:14:35Speaker 05

  He got a little travel sized Bible.

• 1:14:37Laci Mosley?

  Right. And why he on the first page, not in the beginning.

• 1:14:41Speaker 05

  Hey, hey, he hitting the LeBron. You just reading that first page for the, for the camera.

• 1:14:44Laci Mosley?

  Like, I read the first page and the last page of the Bible. I know what's happening.

• 1:14:48Speaker 05

  We good in the beginning.

• 1:14:49Laci Mosley?

  I saw the beginning of Revelations. Yeah, I know what happened.

• 1:14:52Speaker 05

  He got his, he got his road, he got his road raised on. I'm not mad at him.

• 1:14:55Laci Mosley?

  He's giving big friar energy. Who's living in this house with him? It's painted yellow. Wow.

• 1:15:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's a lot.

• 1:15:00Laci Mosley?

  Now, what kind of car is this? Okay, I have a little Benzo Mercedes.

• 1:15:04Speaker 05

  Of course, wagon at that.

• 1:15:06Laci Mosley?

  No, it's not, it's not a, a G wagon though.

• 1:15:10Speaker 05

  Oh, it's not, oh, okay.

• 1:15:11Laci Mosley?

  The G wagon is like the square one. So this is like a, a mid-class Mercedes sedan. He's keeping it class. It's probably like a fifty thousand dollar car.

• 1:15:20Speaker 05

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 1:15:21Laci Mosley?

  Fifty, sixty.

• 1:15:21Speaker 05

  That's amazing.

• 1:15:22Laci Mosley?

  It's not like a G-Wag is like a hundred thousand, at least.

• 1:15:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know, he got one of those too then.

• 1:15:27Laci Mosley?

  But that's the car he drive to church so he could keep everybody humble. Oh, yep, cuz he just pulled up at the church now with this suitcase. Okay, his church is small. Look, hi- his church is giving humility. He got wooden pews. He wanted to respond to God's call. God called him up on the hotline bling.

• 1:15:43Speaker 05

  Yep, say, say, hey, my dog, my dog, hey, we gotta get this.

• 1:15:47Laci Mosley?

  God told me to get involved in stocks. And also in the clergy.

• 1:15:52Speaker 05

  Remember what I said about pimping from the Pope?

• 1:15:53Laci Mosley?

  Right, look at his, he putting on holy drip.

• 1:15:56Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 1:15:57Laci Mosley?

  Like, Steve Harvey is shaking. Like, this is some ostentatious holy drip. Okay, now he got his humble service in here reading their bibles.

• 1:16:09Speaker 05

  Baby's like, I don't want none of that.

• 1:16:10Laci Mosley?

  Alright. Now, is he spoon feeding the baby wine?

• 1:16:13Speaker 05

  I think he did. Baby drunk as a skunk.

• 1:16:16Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:16:16Speaker 05

  Look at him, now the baby wants some.

• 1:16:18Laci Mosley?

  Baby like, don't sleep good tonight.

• 1:16:20Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm. They feeding him off the same spoon, I'm not gonna go there.

• 1:16:23Laci Mosley?

  Yeah, right. During COVID, I feel like I don't wanna drink out the same gobbly. Y'all gotta give me them. At my church, we had individual cups for communion that had a little wafer on top.

• 1:16:32Speaker 05

  I need that.

• 1:16:32Laci Mosley?

  It definitely came from a warehouse.

• 1:16:34Speaker 05

  Hey, there you go.

• 1:16:35Laci Mosley?

  In his twenties, he acquired some good real estate. Oh, he driving to a different home. He was in a different home before.

• 1:16:43Speaker 05

  I think that might be the same compound. It's a com- it's a compound.

• 1:16:47Laci Mosley?

  How your church smaller than all your homes?

• 1:16:50Speaker 05

  In a real way. Like, hi- his home is three to four times the size of his church.

• 1:16:54Laci Mosley?

  Right. Now, are you inviting everybody over for a potluck? Is he single? I don't see nobody else in these.

• 1:17:01Speaker 05

  Nah, I think you had it right when he said, I get it in. Cuz he said, we don't make such.

• 1:17:06Laci Mosley?

  He brought up celibacy. He was like, yeah, no, the girls aren't doing the cellar and the bussy, like.

• 1:17:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, the pussy, that's about.

• 1:17:14Laci Mosley?

  We getting a pussy and a pussy, either or, we ain't, we having sexuals.

• 1:17:18Speaker 05

  Whatever you need.

• 1:17:19Laci Mosley?

  We practicing procreation, listen, we gotta repopulate the earth and I gotta practice. Amen. Who I'm going to hear?

• 1:17:26Speaker 05

  So say it's a song, so say it's a song. I'll be there, I'll be there first, I'll hold the door for you.

• 1:17:30Laci Mosley?

  Literally, I would be in line, Jesus gonna start pulling up my podcast, I'm like, look. You know I was a jokester, God, you made me in your image, come on now.

• 1:17:39Speaker 05

  Comedian.

• 1:17:39Laci Mosley?

  Open that gate, don't pull the lever, don't pull the lever, make me go to hell. Uh, but yeah, so this is the scam of the week, I'm gonna say Reverend Emmanuel. I'm into this, it seems fun.

• 1:17:52Speaker 05

  As long as no one's getting hurt, honestly, it's fine.

• 1:17:54Laci Mosley?

  You know, somebody getting hurt.

• 1:17:56Speaker 05

  Part of me, I was gonna say, part of me feels like there's, there's some stuff.

• 1:17:59Laci Mosley?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:00Speaker 05

  Part of me feels like they put, you know, they put the little music on the need to make it sound, you know, make it sound peaceful and whatnot, but.

• 1:18:05Laci Mosley?

  Right.

• 1:18:05Speaker 05

  You know.

• 1:18:06Laci Mosley?

  He was like, I'm.

• 1:18:06Speaker 05

  He's not forcing folks to go there.

• 1:18:08Laci Mosley?

  Right, it was like Wolf of Wall Street, but if it happened on HDTV.

• 1:18:13Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:18:13Laci Mosley?

  Like, real, real classy, like, a lot of, like, exterior, outdoor scenes, and, you know, he was praying, he had a few candles lit for the girls, giving that holy ambiance. I, I, you know, I mean, we've seen a rapper who's doing financial fraud, we've seen a priest now who's doing financial fraud. Uh, uh, apparently you can't just do it, like Bernie Madoff was a purist, he just did financial fraud. Now the girl's gotta have a side hustle, religion, affirmations, rapping.

• 1:18:44Speaker 05

  Exactly, twenty twenty-two, you can't just get away with one hustle.

• 1:18:47Laci Mosley?

  Right, you said that, you said, you said half your family got two hustles, like, can't just have one hustle, this is a gig economy, guys, so if you wanna be a preacher, also maybe consider being a hedge fund manager.

• 1:18:58Laci Mosley?

  Maybe short some stocks, uh.

• 1:19:01Speaker 05

  Just short some stocks, you're fine. Uh, like, actually, it's the perfect, it's the perfect connection for himself. He can just, he can just pray and, and, uh, and pray it away, and he's fine.

• 1:19:10Laci Mosley?

  Amen, it might be working, but guys, we've reached the end of such a fun episode, uh, Jemara, we always ask, where would you like to be found?

• 1:19:19Speaker 05

  Again, thank you so much for this opportunity. Fant- it's great to be in the presence of greatness. Um, on Twitter Jabari Davis MBA, uh, you can find me at nineteen media group dot com and coming soon on I heart podcast. It's for several different, several different projects.

• 1:19:36Laci Mosley?

  Several, okay, we love several. I love I heart. That's like my first family. I love Jack, uh, Brian and Miles over there. Uh, guys, as always, scam guys pod at gmail dot com. Email us with your questions about scams. That was a new one and send in some questions. Also snitch on your friends and family. Just make sure the scam is retired because we don't want to fuck up your bad scam guys pod at gmail dot com. Uh, I am D I V A L A C I D, Lacy on all platforms. If you want to see my shenanigans, I've been a little dark because of my surgeries, but I'll be back. And then scam guys pod, if you want to see all the videos and photos that we were looking at today on all platforms, but the Instagram is mostly where we post. Everything, um, the new season of I Carly airs April 8th, guys. So that's coming up. That'll be fun.

• 1:20:19Laci Mosley?

  All episodes of the second season of Black Lives Matter show streaming now on HBO Max. I am not in season three of a Black Lives Matter show. Um, I love to do I Carly. So that's where I'm at. Um, Keenan, fourth episode, if you want to see a fun twist that absolutely ties into this show. And yeah, that's all for me. Congregation. Stay Schemin.

• 1:20:42Laci Mosley?

  Scam Goddess stars and is hosted by me, Lacey Mosley, AKA Scam Goddess. It's produced by Judith Cargvo, engineered by Marina Faiz and researched by Kaelyn Brandt. Stay Schemin.

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