The Snack: Madonna, Patient Zero, Cornell 7, and the Best TV Shows of All Time

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: The Jennifer Hudson spirit tunnel Sports updates / game attendance VMAs recap (Madonna, Yung Lean, is this show cooked?) Taylor Swift’s new music and the Patient Zero video The 100 Best Shows of the 21st Century List + our personal top 10s Upcoming: Verity, Love is Blind Boston Reviews: Love Hypothesis (and Lili Reinhart’s iconic press tour outfits), Best of the Best, RHONY The Cornell 7 Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit https://girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: IM8: Get a free welcome kit, 5 travel sachets, and 10% off your order at https://im8health.com/gge and use code GGE. Lululemon: Get new styles from the fall collection and free returns at https://lululemon.com. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  This week on the snack, patient zero Madonna and the best TV shows of the century.

• 0:07Rayna Greenberg?

  This is a Dear Media production.

• 0:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Enjoy.

• 0:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi, guys.

• 0:16Rayna Greenberg?

  This is spooky season, October 1st.

• 0:22Rayna Greenberg?

  The decorations are starting to come out. No, you did go, woo. The decorations are starting to come out in the West Village and I'm excited. They do some crazy shit. The, the rich people in the West Village do some crazy shit on their stoops. I'm excited.

• 0:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I love it. I mean, we've said this for years. People just need to find joy however they can. And if that means insanely extra Halloween decor, I am for it. The spookiest thing I'll be doing this month is moving.

• 0:48Rayna Greenberg?

  That is scary.

• 0:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  That is very scary. God help me.

• 0:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I am excited. I have shows all month, which I haven't really been performing. I have shows all month and you sent me flowers. If you guys are watching on the YouTube above my, um, behind my right shoulder, Ashley sent me flowers. And I was like, what did I even do to deserve this? And your card was so fun. You managed to roast a bunch of people in the card and compliment me and tell me you love me. I was like, oh my God, so fun.

• 1:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, it was, it was flowers for, um, just you being such a great friend to me and delayed housewarming and fuck these bitches.

• 1:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, and fuck these bitches. Yeah, if you guys want to see me and then see me with Ashley, you can go to my tour page. Are you saying what shows you're coming to now?

• 1:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know what you're doing, but we have a show. We have a show. We're coming out of retirement. We are so excited. We're going to just do the New York Comedy Fest, which I don't think we've really done together ever. We've always probably been on our own tour, not that we haven't wanted to. So we're really excited to be involved in it. We are going to be doing a show on Sunday, November 7th. I love a Sunday show at the Stand West, which of course you know, the stand, that is our comedy club that Raina and I both have performed, performed at. We love it so much. And this is their West location, used to be Chelsea Music Hall, which we've done a show at, and we just love this room. So we are really excited to do a show there. We will be doing stand up, we'll be on stage together. Of course, we're going to have some friends, so people you've seen on the podcast.

• 2:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're just going to have such a fun, fun night. This will be just such a fun comedy show. Come alone, bring a date, bring the girlies, bring your family and we will see you there. Get tickets there, uh, going to go fast.

• 2:29Rayna Greenberg?

  And you can get those at NYComedyFestival.com and we'll have it on our website, girlsgottaeat.com as well. We're excited to see you guys there.

• 2:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and we'll do a link in bio on Instagram. Girlsgottoe Podcast is our Instagram, so no excuses to not be able to find it, but, uh, this is the first time we're announcing it. So grab those tickets before they go. I just think they are going to go quick and we can't wait to see you guys. I really am so excited.

• 2:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I haven't been on stage in a long time. I'm excited. Okay, we have a report, but can I just tell you something like, just like on a side thought that I, I don't think we've ever talked about this on this show. And I'm like, I think personally we talked about it, but I'm curious your feelings. Cause I was scrolling and I saw Tyler Cameron. Okay, let me back up. My greatest fear in the world is not like what other people, like speaking on stage or aging or spiders. It is the Jennifer Hudson spirit tunnel.

• 3:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, have you seen the SNL sketch about this?

• 3:17Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I just, I was, I opened my phone and Tyler Cameron was doing it. And I was, he did it with another guy. And I was like, that's the hack. You dance with another, if I had to do the Jennifer Hudson tunnel by myself, Ashley, I, I wouldn't go on the show. I couldn't do it. You could do it. You're a great dancer. I, it's my greatest fear.

• 3:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's my greatest dream is your biggest fear. Wait, Raina, you got it. So Nikki Glaser, when she hosted SNL, they did a sketch about this. You just, you didn't see this? So she said that's her biggest fear. So they did a sketch and basically the sketch was like the meds to take if you're going to have to do it. And it was, they just made you like violently ill. So you could throw up and cancel basically. And she claimed it was like one of her favorite skits or sketches that she came up with, like, and then shortly after she did it, so there was this full circle moment and she did great and she looked beautiful, but.

• 4:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, she looked great. I remember her doing it.

• 4:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's interesting because it feels so niche, like that sketch was so niche, but clearly it's a relatable thing because it's a fear of yours. Like I love that Nikki was like, I'm not the only person that could have this fear. Like this, no matter if you're famous or not, this could be someone's biggest fear and it is my greatest dream. And I, all I do is watch these videos and I am obsessed with what songs they pick. And I'm like, what song would they pick for me? I will sit and scroll these for hours. Like I never want to miss one. Like give, throw a celebrity at me, I can tell you what they did down the spirit tunnel. Like obviously Julia Stiles, Julia Stiles just crushed it recently. Cause she did moves from Save Last Dance and 10 Things I Hate About You. Like she bent over, did the hair flip, like it just, I'm so obsessed with them.

• 4:52Rayna Greenberg?

  I feel like you would like drop it down to the floor. I feel like you have your butt in the air and like, oh, you'd be on all fours with your butt in the air, like.

• 4:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  I would crawl down the spirit tunnel.

• 5:00Rayna Greenberg?

  You would. I mean, like, I would need to be so drunk. I don't have it in me. I just, it is my greatest fear in the world. I was watching some like red carpet interview with Paige De Sorbo and she was saying that she had been asked recently to do that show and thank God she had something else to do that day. She was like, I don't think I could do it. Like it is my greatest fear. Even if we did it together, like you, like Tyler Cameron, like tangled down, down the tunnel with somebody else. And I was like, that's the move. With somebody else, I could baby stomach it.

• 5:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  There was someone who, this actor that did it and his dick looked so big, they had to turn off comments. Who was it?

• 5:41Rayna Greenberg?

  No.

• 5:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, guys, I'm going to, I can't believe this. It was some actor and it was just like.

• 5:47Rayna Greenberg?

  I can't even imagine what you're Googling to get to this. Whose dick was too big for the spirit tunnel?

• 5:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, it was Aaron Pierre who played Mufasa in The Lion King.

• 6:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Dick is too big. You never think that's going to be your problem in the spirit tunnel, that your, your cock is too big for the tunnel. That's a funny metaphor. You can't fit, that dick can't fit in here.

• 6:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  It was, it was just really prominent and they had to, uh, turn the comments off on that. That was a while back. This is in 2024. So come back and look that up if you guys care.

• 6:26Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I'm glad we discussed this and then we can, um, we can thank our partners and get into it, but I'm glad.

• 6:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, wait, I have one more report, one more report. I have a quick, before we get into our official report, I have a quick sports report. Eagles lost last night, tough loss against the Bears. It was rough, but we'll get back into it. And I am going to a Dodgers game this Saturday. It was, I just don't like baseball, but I want to go for the vibes. We haven't been to a Dodgers game, haven't been to Dodger Stadium. Shashank really wants to go, so it'll be the first playoff game. As this airs, we will probably know who they're playing, but right now we don't know. It's probably going to be the Phillies or the Braves. So it might be the, it might be the Phils. So we are going this Saturday and that'll be like a fun little outing.

• 7:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, that'll be fun. I've never been to Dodger Stadium. It's far.

• 7:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Well, I know, but we're going to, we'll go have an early dinner at Echo Park and just be up there. And Saturday is better than trying to get there on a weeknight. I can't even imagine.

• 7:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, fuck no, absolutely not. The Steelers are also two and one now. They lost a game. They're playing on Thursday night and I'm not going to be able to see it because I'll be in Connecticut doing a show. You guys, if you're in Stanford, Connecticut, rainagreber.com for my tour tickets. There, I got it in there. I'll see you guys tonight. Um, okay, let's thank our partners and then we'll get into it. Thank you to IM8. Get a free welcome kit, five free travel sachets and 10% off your order at IM8health.com/gge and use code GG.

• 7:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  And thank you to Lululemon. Get new styles from the fall collection and free returns at lululemon.com. Okay, so we are going to kick it off with a music report. Lots of music news, new music, the VMAs, all the things. Raina watched the VMAs, so you didn't have to. I did catch most of the highlights. I feel like I've watched enough to know that, well, to understand why the reviews for this year were not so great.

• 8:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, it was a mess. I couldn't believe what I was watching. I actually like, I mean, you and I, we watch a lot of award shows, but specifically we watch the music ones because they're like fun to watch. I like the fashion, like the performances. First of all, I was trying to find it and I couldn't find it. And then I realized MTV was airing this on CBS, which made no fucking sense. It started 20 minutes late because there was a football game they couldn't cut from. And I'm trying to find it and I finally think I've found it. And I see Madonna is performing and Snoop Dogg is hosting. And I swear to God, I texted like three people to check that like, I didn't stumble upon like the VMAs greatest hits or something. Like, why am I watching Madonna and Snoop Dogg? Like what year is this?

• 8:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so they, I think they've always done this, but by the way, like I have a lot to say. First of all, MTV VMAs on CBS insane. What are we doing here? The VMAs themselves have been off and on for a while now. I mean, they were so iconic in our day. MTV hasn't played music in 20 years. Like if MTV is going to do an award show, it should be for reality shows or ridiculousness only, because that's all they play. Like it just is not what it used to be, but I have always rooted for the VMAs. It's just so nostalgic and they have always brought together older artists from our day with newer artists. Like they have always done that. What LL Cool J used to host them. Like I do like that they do that. I like that we could have Madonna and Snoop and then Yung Lean, who's the first I'm hearing of him.

• 9:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like I like that whiplash and that chaos blending new and old. But yeah, you're like, what year is this? But I don't mind it.

• 9:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I was like, this has started 20 minutes late. I'm confused. I mean, then Charli XCX came out and I was like, okay, so clearly this is current, but we're starting 20 minutes late. Yes, there was a lot of throwbacks. There was Nirvana, there was a Dolly Parton tribute, uh, there was a George Michael tribute, which I was like, okay, what, why? I don't understand what's happening here. You guys don't have to DM me. I could look it up on the internet if I cared. There just was a lot of nostalgia. I mean, every category is very women heavy, which I do love to see, but I mean, most of the categories were like Taylor Swift and Sabrina Carpenter and Tate McCry and then Madonna. And that was just like every single category.

• 10:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  It felt disjointed from what I saw and what I read. I've read a ton of reviews about it and people don't have very nice things to say. Like people are just saying this is cooked and this is over and the, they've lost the plot, but Madonna was the talk of the night.

• 10:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  I want to kick this off by saying Madonna's a legend, full stop. She's 68. She's still making music. She's performing. I will always support a woman shattering societal norms of what they say women should be wearing, acting like, doing. That's not who I'm going to want to emulate at nearly 70, but I respect it. And she is an icon and a legend and she can do whatever the fuck she wants. She doesn't give a fuck. I know that's her vibe. I worry she's getting into a territory of like, okay, grandma, time for bed. You know, like she is not Mitch McConnell, but like, is she on her way? Like, I just don't want her to tarnish her own legacy. But Madonna's going to

• 11:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  do her and she kind of always has been a little quirky and out of pocket. What she was doing in the 80s was ahead of its time in terms of how women should act. And so she's always blazed that trail. So I will always respect it. But I do feel like you're kind of like, lady, what are we doing here?

• 11:40Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I, it was, I was deciding if I loved it or hated it. You have to love it. It's Madonna. But she just like swept all the categories. And every time she like staggered up on stage, she just busted out some like very random speech. And like, everybody that she was with is like, what is she doing? Sabrina Carpenter was stunned. She just sat there and laughed. It was like very cute. She couldn't even talk. Madonna's telling this whole story like, I wanted to collaborate with Sabrina. And then she didn't respond to me for five days. And then I DM'd her and then she did. Sabrina Carpenter is standing there like, holding her up, like, sure. And Madonna's like, let's go backstage and get drunk. And then she like comes back out with Charli XCX. And she did talk about like what dance has meant to her and like how it's changed her life. It's just, all

• 12:21Rayna Greenberg?

  these speeches really were like, let's rough this shut up. It's just, she was just like, I'm Madonna and I will stay here and speak as long as I want with my no pants on and my leotard and you're not going to stop me. It was hilarious.

• 12:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  My personal beef with Madonna is that that's the longest I've ever waited for an artist at a concert. I saw her in Atlanta, three hours, three hours till she came out. Yeah. And I mean, maybe she had something going on in her life, or maybe she's just that much of a diva. But you know, just let her cook. I mean, Sabrina is like, ma'am, I texted you back. Could you stop? Like, what are we doing here? But yeah, so she won Artist of the Year and Album of the Year.

• 12:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I didn't know she had new music.

• 12:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so I did a poll on my Instagram. I said, no shades for research purposes only. I asked, did you know Madonna put out a new album this year? As of this point, it's not fully expired yet. 5,000 people have responded. 500 said yes.

• 13:15Rayna Greenberg?

  What? How did 500 people find out about this?

• 13:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  So yes, 4,500 people said no. And can I just say, right, I did know she had new music because Cody Rigsby played a new Madonna song in a Peloton class. And I sort of clocked it. But I was like, Madonna put out a single. Like, there's no way Madonna has a new album in the year of our Lord, 2026. Like this-

• 13:44Rayna Greenberg?

  I was watching that, like, am I so behind the times? Like, how did I not know about this? But clearly, like, I want to know how those 500 people found out about it. Because I am-

• 13:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Peloton, Cody.

• 13:56Rayna Greenberg?

  You and I spend a lot of time on, we're the most chronically online people that I know is is our job. And like, that includes music news.

• 14:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like Madonna is a gay icon, queer ally. Like, maybe that is more of the community that keeps tabs on her. I am a fan of Madonna in the 80s, almost exclusively, not even really the 90s. This is music subjective, whatever. I like her 80s stuff. Look up her discography. That's kind of 89 is when she kind of lost me. But I just would have thought we would have heard a single from it. But the album is basically one long, continuous house trance album. This lady is 68, trance album. Like, it is just like a DJ set. It's just meant to go dance and vibe. There's not like a single, I don't think that really would have even gotten quote unquote, radio play,

• 14:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Spotify today's hottest hits. So that's really what's going on with her. But I just think people are like, hey, no shade. She's a legend. But was this deserving of all these wins?

• 14:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I mean, it was surprising to me. I mean, I guess give somebody else a moment in the spotlight besides Sabrina Carpenter and Charli XCX and Taylor Swift and Tate McCray, I guess. But like, could it be somebody else besides Madonna that put out new music this year?

• 15:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then there was controversy surrounding another award, which was Best Choreography, which Madonna also won for her Confessions 2. Also, Confessions 2, this is Usher. Like, what in the Usher, like Confessions Part 2, like Confessions 2, that's the album. And then there's a 13 minute short film, video. But that's what won Best Choreography over Generation and Young Lean for Storm 2, which they performed on stage, pretty much mimicked the music video that went viral. And this music video was basically set in this dystopian British boarding school in the year 2034. Yung Lean plays an aggressive, intimidating bully orchestrating a student

• 15:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  rebellion. And it's this insane choreography of these guys, all kind of all in this like bleacher type thing, directed by this renowned filmmaker. And they really did replicate it as best they could at the VMAs. And people went crazy for it. It's brilliant. It's captivating, for sure.

• 16:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I was a little torn about it. I mean, it is one of the coolest performances I've ever seen, like on television. It is like over 100 men in the same like blazers and just the, the transitions between black and white clothing and the way they moved in unison. I mean, it is truly like a feat to behold. I felt like, I wonder if in the sort of wake of the Cornell 7 and all that's happening, like, do people feel a little triggered by this? And I don't ever want to be the kind of person that's like, there can't be anything that comes in front of my eyes that doesn't, that never that bothers me. But I don't know what they would have done besides this.

• 16:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  I did have like an immediate pit in my stomach because it looked like a fraternity. And right as we're consuming all of this, and which we'll talk about later in the episode, to see these like fraternity prep school guys, it was an immediate trigger. But that is not to say that they shouldn't have done it, or it's insensitive. You know, we're not about that. Like, I'm never going to go down that road. It's insensitive. No, like, this was, this was brilliant. And it should have won the award. But in this climate, it felt triggering. And that's just sharing how I felt and what we're curious if anyone else had that feeling. It's a sad thought to have, that you look at that and you're like, is that looks like the Chi Phi pledge class that we're talking about. You know,

• 17:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  like, it felt kind of sick, but it's not like, in this landscape, how could you? I'm not saying that. It was just like, we're curious if anyone else felt like that. And I told you, it reminded me of Eminem's 2000s VMA Slim Shady performance where all the guys dressed like him came out. And that was this iconic thing, probably again, like 100 dudes. And I told you, I was like crazy that a bunch of guys dressed in what we used to call wife beaters and sweats, look less likely to rape you than these guys in ties. But we will get to that.

• 18:00Rayna Greenberg?

  It reminds me of the people that do get away with this stuff. That's what those uniforms reminded me of. And you know, you and I, I don't subscribe to like, this was not tone deaf. It wasn't like a read the room kind of moment. It was like a truly brilliant performance. I just had a feeling about it. That's all. Just, it triggered an emotion for me. But other than that, it was really brilliant.

• 18:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. And just as brilliant, in my opinion, is the Patient Zero video.

• 18:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Love it.

• 18:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love it. Oh, my God. I love this song. I love the video. Are you kidding me? This video? Like, I'm still thinking about it. Like, I heard Patient Zero. I was like, I fucking love the song. It's been in my head ever since. And then I knew that there was this short film coming with Dakota Johnson and Colin Farrell. I thought the song was about a fuck boy. It's about a man who's killing his rich wives. Like, I'm obsessed.

• 18:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Let's rewind. So she put out four new songs called The Encore on Friday last week. And I want to talk about the songs and then I want to talk about the video.

• 18:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, you want to do the songs first? Okay, fine. I had a good transition there because they did premiere the video at the VMAs. But it's fine, you know?

• 19:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I want to talk about who's feelings about the music. Okay. You know, it takes me like five or six listens to decide if I like something. People hated this. I mean, I think people just like to have a negative take on things. I think people like to have a hot take and that's typically a negative take on things. People, real Swifties were like, I hate this. This is tired. It's just like, I wrote down some words that I saw that people used to describe it. And then I'm gonna- I'm gonna say something that might surprise all of you. Preoccupied with her critics, repetitive, thin. I might get flamed for this. I liked them. I liked the songs. I thought Cleveland was kind of a bop. And I, the messaging, I will get into, but I enjoyed these songs. I liked Patient Zero. I like Babylon. What was the other song? Pink?

• 19:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Pink Clouding.

• 19:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Pink Clouding, I just don't, I really have any thoughts about. It's not for me, but like, I actually enjoyed these songs. I was on a road trip. I liked listening to them in the car.

• 19:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 19:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I liked the messaging of Patient Zero, which is, the music video is a bit of a departure, but like, the messaging is just like, you know, I'm, I'm the first person that dated him. And if you dated him after me, like, I get you, girl. I see what he's like. Um, under this veil of everything. Cleveland, I mean, I have fun listening to it. I think that she's, okay. I like that Taylor Swift will acknowledge that people make fun of her. I, I like that.

• 20:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 20:15Rayna Greenberg?

  I think we're like, doing it a little too much. She's like, if people think I dress stupid and that, you know, I, I'm not hot enough for him or young enough for him, but like, that's my man. He, I don't think you need to keep defending this. I think it's like enough. And like, it's sort of almost reminded me of like, when influencers are like, behind all the glitz and glam, it's a real person and it's not all beautiful all the time. And the first time you hear somebody say that, it's really refreshing. You're like, thank you for acknowledging that it's not like this. But I feel like I've heard her acknowledge in her music over and over again. Everybody hates me. Everybody thinks I'm cringe, but my man's obsessed with me. I just feel like it's like enough. You get it?

• 20:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. We've, we've heard it. That's kind of always been her thing though, like reputation. Like she is kind of always paid a lot of attention to, to the haters. In terms of Cleveland, I wrote on threads, obsessed with Taylor Swift putting out a song dedicated to the haters that she knew they would viscerally hate. Like, that song was designed for the haters to hate at a high level. I love Patient Zero, like I just said. I really like Pink Clouding. Babylon, to me, is fine. It's forgettable. I feel like I've heard it before. Cleveland feels like a joke. It feels like trolling. I don't actively hate it, but I am laughing at it.

• 21:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  I've also seen commentary that without Cleveland, people would have been fine with this. The other three are fine songs. I, I mean, I think they're good songs, especially Patient Zero. I think they sound like her, an older her, newer her, like a blend of the two. Like Cleveland is what really triggered people. But it's like, I don't know, it's this silly little campy song. If you hate it, you can just skip it. But people like live to hate her. It's, it's really bizarre. It's people that call themselves her fans. Like, this is where I get defensive of her, because I hate nothing more than people that call themselves fans and they're like your biggest critics, like the weirdest way. And they hold her to such impossible standards.

• 22:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I know that Taylor Swift has these albums where she's like this poetic songwriting genius, but she also has songs like, "We are never, ever, ever getting back together." And Shake It Off, let's not forget about me. Raina, "Me" with Brendan Urie. The lyrics said, "Spelling is fun. You can't spell awesome without me." Like, she has always done this shit. She has oscillated between this profound songwriter and a silly little pop girlie. Like, her whole thing is eras and she's going in and out of them. And so, it's so crazy when people flame a silly little song. Like, I, I get this, the critique that she's just paying too much attention to her haters. But I'm just like, I don't know. She has done this before.

• 22:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is not such a departure from her silly little campy songs that she's put out before.

• 23:03Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I liked it. I don't know. I don't think everything, like, the messaging in Patient Zero and Babylon are so heavy and you really have to listen to the lyrics to like, understand what it's about. And like, I listen to these songs over and over and over again on this car ride to just like, understand what they were about. Cleveland, it's just, it's straightforward. Sometimes I don't want to think that hard, you know? Sometimes I just want like a bop that kind of sounds like a marching band. It's funny. She's like, "He took me to Cleveland. He showed me the heights. I met his parents. Nah, he likes going down on my pussy." Like, I just, I thought it was funny.

• 23:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. I, I really am just like, what, guys, please? Like, people are just obsessed. Like, think pieces, like, all this stuff. It's like, she's done this before. "You can't spell awesome without me? You can't spell awesome without M-E." That's her. That's old Taylor. We want old Taylor back. That is old Taylor. She has always been both. And so, just, I let her cook and I just, again, love Patient Zero so much and I started reviewing too soon, but I loved the video. No, I just, I love the plot twist. I really loved it. I loved every scene. I loved all of the imagery. I think it was so insane. I didn't expect the end, really, she was a ghost the whole time. Like, I have chills.

• 24:15Rayna Greenberg?

  So she has been in 60 music videos. She's directed 18. She writes every single frame, every single shot. It's pretty impressive. And I don't know that I've really seen a music video like this, that, it's a short film, almost, like, about, I mean, he's like slowly poisoning her, like, munchausen, like, and you find out that she's dead and Dakota Johnson, they're wearing the same outfits the whole time. And I just, it was, it's really interesting. It's really different.

• 24:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  I've thought it was brilliant. I loved it. And she did win this award. She won the inaugural Artist Director Honors, which people are saying that, that was made for her and her team pressured them to create that award. But they, they be doing that stuff. They always have done that stuff. They come up with these new awards, they give them to somebody or like, you just wanted to give that person an award this year. So whatever you think about it, I don't know. I mean, did Taylor Swift pressure the VMAs to make an award for her? I don't know. If she did, that's weird.

• 25:10Rayna Greenberg?

  No one else showed up for this thing. Who the fuck else showed up for this entire award show? The most, and no shade to her, because I love her. Lisa Rayna was like the most famous person on the carpet besides Taylor Swift. Shaboozie was there with Ciara. Great, I love that. I love to see, no one else showed up for this thing. Call it the Taylor Swift VMA Awards. Let her do whatever she wants.

• 25:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, Madonna was there.

• 25:31Rayna Greenberg?

  That was, that was interesting.

• 25:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  You know what I gotta say? Madonna is the VMAs though. Madonna, what she posted, did she post that she was hit the stage for the first time 42 years ago?

• 25:42Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought she said 48, but what, what, whichever it was.

• 25:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Forty-two, which makes sense.

• 25:47Rayna Greenberg?

  First VMAs.

• 25:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my gosh. Anyway, okay. Well, that's your VMA update and Taylor Swift update. And, you know, I just, I find it interesting, the people make their entire existence to hate on her. And you, I have my critiques of her too. I wish she would speak out more about things happening in this country and around the world, but we could do a lot worse with female role models. And I still think she is a female artist that is a role model to your daughters and who is someone that can be looked up to and is not offensive. And I feel like the hate makes me want to defend her even more. Because it's insane. You people are insane.

• 26:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I was trying to find any other like, people like hated it. And I was just like, also, like, you know, me and you, just, it's just not that deep to me. Like, it's just, I don't want to be like, it's just not that deep. It's just music. Music means a lot to a lot of people. Music artists mean a lot to me. Music means a lot to me. It's changed my life many times. But this is not that deep. I thought Cleveland was just like, kind of a fun bop. People were so mad. But when she makes things too cerebral and too heavy, people don't like that either.

• 26:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  They critique that too. Yeah. Like, just, I don't know. Let her do her thing. I saw this one thread that says, "Why does Taylor Swift keep making songs about her life and her man instead of about me and what I want her to sing about?" And that's the exact energy.

• 27:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  God, these people suck. Yeah, but Cleveland's stupid, whatever. She knows it. She's trolling.

• 27:18Rayna Greenberg?

  It's called Cleveland. I saw a meme that said like, the, but the community board of Cleveland's having an emergency meeting right now.

• 27:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, I thought you were gonna say, it's a recession indicator that she's writing songs about Cleveland and Florida, when it used to be like Paris and London and New York and out, Cleveland and Florida, exclamation point. Let's just talk about our partners and then we will get back into it. I am telling you guys about Lululemon. Always so excited to talk about Lululemon. It is all I wear. I don't have any workout clothing that is not Lululemon. It's most of my athleisure as well. And we are just obsessed with it. The highest quality, the best for performance, but also so cute and cozy and comfortable too. So, we have all kinds of stuff from the new fall collection that we are just obsessed with. I love this Licensed to Train set, the Racerback Shine Bra and the High Rise Short. And I have the pants as well, but I'm just really liking, it looks really shiny.

• 28:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  It looks really sexy. I've just been like, loving wearing it to my workout classes. It's Lululemon's innovative Everlux material, shiny, quick drying. The Lululemon dries instantaneously. Like, I always know if I'm running around in my Lululemon Align Pants or this sports bra or whatever, if I get wet, get sweaty, it's just gonna dry immediately. Love the short with that too. We are saying that we are really loving the Smooth Space or Relaxed Collared Half Zip and the High Rise Wide Leg Pant Set. This is our new favorite set to travel in. We are just loving it. It is really soft and smooth, four-way stretch, quick drying again, and just really nice to travel in and just run around, do errands, whatever you guys are gonna do. But we're just obsessed with Lululemon and everything they do. These colors are really great. Some of these pieces in the fall collection have this vintage feel. Of course, the little things, they have the Kangaroo Pocket Thumb Holes, like, the fabrics,

• 28:55Ashley Hesseltine?

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• 29:12Rayna Greenberg?

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• 30:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, we are going to talk about the best TV shows. So the New York Times put out this list of the top 100 TV shows of the 21st century, and they worked with stars, actors, showrunners, they worked with all these people to create this list. I just, they really put a lot of time and effort into it. Yeah, 500 people. It wasn't just like, here's what we think. I listened to the episode in the Daily about this. I found it really fascinating. So they put a lot of time and energy into this. And just immediately when they put this list out of these 100 shows, people are like, where's The Sopranos? Like immediately, where's Sex and the City? So I realized that I did also confirm that they had to start at 2000 or later. So shows that started

• 31:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  in the 90s didn't make the cut. So primarily because The Sopranos, Sex and the City, Seinfeld, Friends, didn't make the cut and people were all up in arms, but that was the criteria. So before we get into it, I mean, we just wanted to say that. And I listened to this podcast episode, I haven't fully finished yet, it's like an hour, and it's really interesting. They break down a lot of the comedies. And like, early in the episode, they're talking about the joke density of 30 Rock and how it's almost hard to even keep up versus Curb, where it's this one long, relatable bit drawn out for an entire episode. I just find these things really fascinating. I mean, I'm obsessed with TV. I think TV is better than ever. We're so lucky to live in this era of TV. And they really broke all this down.

• 32:04Rayna Greenberg?

  It was fun going through this list. I just, you know, it was like a lot of nostalgia for me. And also thinking like, what the criteria is for the best show? Like, is it the best show? Because it transcends time and it transcends generations? Or is it the thing that you go back to time and time again? Like, to me, the stuff that like, I watch on repeat are not necessarily the greatest, like, Gossip Girl is something that I'll put on my TV because I just like to watch it in the background. But I wouldn't say it's, I wouldn't put it in the, my top 20 greatest TV shows of all time. Reality shows, like, there are some things that launched a genre, which we created our top 10, and I'll talk about reality shows, but there are things like Top Chef, for example, that were like ground zero for cooking competition shows. And I was

• 32:48Rayna Greenberg?

  curious, like, why more stuff like that wasn't included as well? And you listened to the episode, did they say, or it just, it wasn't reality TV at all? And that was that?

• 32:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't think there was any reality on the list. Um, it's, and I didn't, again, finish the whole episode. I am curious to, because you're right, what makes something impactful, or things that start, like you said, a whole genre? I mean, they can't be ignored. So I mean, they had their set of criteria. And again, like, most of your faves are on here. Most of the shows, the best shows of all time, like Breaking Bad, and Mad Men, and Game of Thrones, and Veep, and Hacks, and The Bear, and like, all those shows are on the list. I mean, the, the main ones missing that I felt were from the 90s, or started in the 90s. But I, I guess it was tough because it was still, they were still very much new in the 2000s, too. So, you know, that was the

• 33:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  only thing I felt was lacking. But you're, you're so right. I mean, there's so many different benchmarks you can measure a good show on. For me, my top, or just how they make me feel, like, the ones I still remember, not necessarily that I would go back to and re-watch, some of them are, of course, but just how much I love them, even if I can't fully explain it, or put it up against another show and explain why it's better. This is my opinions.

• 34:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, some of these, to me, they just like, they defined a genre, they defined a generation, like Sex and the City, I refuse to not have it on my list. I refuse to not. It defined women growing up. And it may be a little dated at this point, but like, it broke every single barrier for women talking about sex and pleasure that existed at the time. So, does it stand the test of time? I don't know. I mean, like, my, my favorite show of all time is The Sopranos, and I think that it transcends time. Like, and I always say, like, because there wasn't a lot of like, I mean, the mafia isn't using cell phones, and the internet, and emails. So it feels current today, even though it is a 30-year-old show at this point. And I think

• 34:51Rayna Greenberg?

  it transcends time. I think that the way that they incorporated different characters into it was brilliant. I mean, I, they never had like a slump season to me. I mean, we'll do our episodes. But to me, like, The Sopranos is the height of like, acting, cinematography, direction, character development, plot, that like, made sense, that like, was carried out in the fullest.

• 35:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  I gotta get into it. I gotta start that one. Uh, I mean, Sex and the City is my favorite show by every measure, that I could re-watch it over and over and over again, that it was so empowering for women, that it comes into play in what I've done with my life, that it changed my life, that it inspired me, that it was so incredible, it was so ahead of its time, literally, all the things. It hits every single mark for me. And so that's my number one. And the rest are just kind of, they're in no particular order. I feel like I couldn't really rank them.

• 35:42Rayna Greenberg?

  My top four are the top four, but everything else, no particular order. Okay, give me your list.

• 35:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Top 10 favorite shows of all time. Ashley has the time. Number one, Sex and the City, and the rest are no particular order. So, Curb Your Enthusiasm, The Bear, Hacks, Girls, Queen's Gambit, I will never forget. When that show ended, it was during quarantine. I was like, that's the most perfect show, limited series I've ever seen in my life. Normal People, of course.

• 36:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Great.

• 36:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Homeland, Homeland, I was staying up till 5:00 in the morning, watching Homeland. Like, I started it late, so I was binging it. Insecure.

• 36:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Great call.

• 36:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  And The Bold Type. I, that's probably my, like, deepest cut that wasn't so mainstream. I loved it so, so much. I have a few honorable mentions. I just have to

• 36:30Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I did honorable mentions too. Of course I did. No, of course I did.

• 36:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're probably gonna make fun of these, but, um,

• 36:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean,

• 36:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Scandal, it just didn't make my top 10, but it's, Scandal is still up there for me. Sex Lives of College Girls, I absolutely loved. Off Campus.

• 36:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then I did just throw one reality, and that's Love is Blind. And it is my favorite reality show of all time. I watched every single season. It was so groundbreaking when it came out. And I really do still love it. And I didn't include any childhood shows. That feels like a whole nother conversation. But all these shows also molded who we are. I mean, everything from Full House, Stay With The Bell, Family Matters, Are You Afraid of the Dark, Clarissa Explains It All. The only one that I felt like maybe transcended outside of the child category for me is My So-Called Life. And that felt really life-changing for me.

• 37:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 37:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I was a kid, still, so.

• 37:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I guess I didn't really understand Jordan Catalano back then, the original fuckboy.

• 37:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I still think I could really watch that show and enjoy it. And I was like 11 when it came out.

• 37:35Rayna Greenberg?

  I thought I was a little kid.

• 37:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  But childhood shows, it's like, I can't even go down there. There's so, so many that it's like, hard to even touch. Like, I kind of started with college for me, which was Sex and the City.

• 37:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I mean, stuff that I could digest as an adult.

• 37:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, can't wait to hear yours.

• 37:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, we only have three overlapping. Some of your, your mentions.

• 37:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, can I just, can I just say, you guys, I haven't seen a lot of these shows. Like, like, if you were like, why wasn't the show on your list? I may not have seen it. And this is, again, like, I would never push my list on anyone else. It's very specific to me.

• 38:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I would never argue this list against someone else's. I haven't even seen The Sopranos. But I don't like Game of Thrones and I didn't really enjoy Breaking Bad. Like, I started it when I finished it. But Game of Thrones is probably the show that of, that people are obsessed with. I gave it a fair shot and it's not for me.

• 38:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, we should, Breaking Bad is the number one show on this entire list. We should have told you people that. Sorry, guys.

• 38:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  I started it. I watched two episodes. I just don't think, I mean, I would pick it back up. I didn't dislike it as much as Game of Thrones. I'll never watch that again. It's not for me. But, okay.

• 38:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, my top 10, my top four are the top four. They're my favorite shows of all time, and that is The Office, The Sopranos, Mad Men and Girls. Those are my top four favorite shows. The rest, in no particular order, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Succession, Sex and the City, Real Housewives of New York. It launched, it launched a network. It launched a category. I mean, the original season of the like, original Real Housewives. I mean, that is Bravo. Schitt's Creek, which I think is some of the greatest characters ever written and heated rivalry.

• 39:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, shit. Okay, that is also, I forgot about it. It should be on my list, too. This is so hard.

• 39:20Rayna Greenberg?

  It's hard. And then I have a lot of honorable mentions because like, they just were so brilliant. Broad City. Broad City and Arrested Development, to me, are some of the greatest comedic writing that has ever existed. White Lotus, what they are able to do every season is so brilliant. Vanderpump Rules, you know, is my favorite reality show of all time. Real Housewives of New York made the top 10 because they, Real Housewives, they, they walked so Vanderpump could run, you know?

• 39:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  White Lotus was tough for me. It, I do, you know how much I love, I love White Lotus and it feels like appointment television. But I just, I don't know. I'm not as obsessed, but I love the show, but it should be up there. And yes, heated rivalry, good call.

• 39:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I have a couple more. Top Chef, which I also think like, is really like, ground zero for TV food competition shows. And it was so ahead of its time. People thought it was like, really cringe at the beginning. And now people would die to get on that show. I mean, it's made people's careers. Insecure is also on my list. Love is Blind and Euphoria, season one. It's hard. I mean, I love Euphoria. I thought it was so phenomenal, but they ruined the show for me. But, I mean, the first two seasons were great.

• 40:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Listen, I put a lot of time into my list, but just know that I will lay awake tonight thinking of the shows I forgot. So just know that. I don't need to be criticizing this. I'm gonna hate myself enough for all of us. I will have so much regret, but I did my best with the information I had the time. I will pop up at four o'clock in the morning and think of a show I didn't have my list. So just know.

• 40:41Rayna Greenberg?

  It will haunt my dreams. Like, I was so proud when I thought of heated rivalry. I was like, that's so original. She's killing it. But I had another thought yesterday and I don't remember what it was. And I will be upset about it later. And you guys, if you want in the comments, give us your top 10. I'm so curious what you guys think. And I just, we want to know. Give us your top 10.

• 41:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, you and I could do 100, you know, like, really, if I was presented with a list of all TV shows of all time, like, I could really come up with my 100 and I couldn't include all those MTV shows growing up. I mean, Singled Out, Singled Out would be on there. Newlyweds, Jessica Nick. I mean, I'm thinking about all the shows. The MTV Spring Break, just as a show.

• 41:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Stuff as an adult. I just, you know, we had to, we had to draw the line somewhere.

• 41:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly. We had to draw the line. You're totally right. Yeah. But like, Gossip Girl, the OC. I mean, those were like, defined my college experience. Like this, it was just really hard to come up with. But I think, you know, we did our best.

• 41:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Are you a Gilmore girl? I forget.

• 41:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, no, no. I feel like this is a thing. When you, like, when you see Gigi, are you a Gossip Girl or Gilmore Girls?

• 41:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, we're gossip girls.

• 41:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I like corny stuff, but I was never about it. Dawson's Creek, that was another childhood one, but.

• 41:50Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that's a separate list. I think, I think nostalgia.

• 41:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, yes, yes, yes. And if you guys are curious, these are the top 10 from the 100 best TV shows of the century from the New York Times. Breaking Bad, The Wire, Mad Men, Succession, Fleabag, Game of Thrones, Veep, 30 Rock, Curb Your Enthusiasm, and Atlanta. And a lot of comedy in that list, especially in the lower half of the top 10, and they discussed that on the episode of The Daily, too. So if you guys are interested in this, there's a whole podcast episode to listen to. I'm about to listen to the rest of it as I take my walk today. That's on that. And we just have some more TV and movie news.

• 42:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, a few things to look forward to. Verity officially comes out tomorrow night. I just can't wait. It's Colleen Hoover. It's a thriller. It's a real departure from the other type of genres she writes about. It's starring Dakota Johnson, who is, by the way, everywhere. She is everywhere. She is on the cover of Vogue. She's in perfume commercials. She is dating MGK. She's in Taylor Swift video. I mean, she is the moment. Anne Hathaway, who's in everything, obviously. And Josh Hartnett, thank God, I've been missing him on my, on the silver screen.

• 42:54Rayna Greenberg?

  So, I mean, we'll review it next week.

• 42:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  This is the third Anne Hathaway movie I will have seen in the theater this year. And also with, with my husband, we've been to the movies probably five or six times total in our whole relationship. And three movies this year, we saw Devil's Pride, Two Odyssey, and this is crazy. Like, I find that crazy. I think it's crazy in any year, even in the heyday of going to the movies, that you would see one actor, actress in one, in the, in three movies in a row.

• 43:26Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I know. And also, I am devastated that you're seeing this with him and not me. I like, can't believe it. It's not an option. But like, I'm just, I can't, I mean, obviously, he wouldn't be included in this, otherwise. I am devastated that we aren't going to this together. I don't even know if like, I don't even know who I want to go with. I feel like other people don't care about this as much as I do.

• 43:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think, yeah, I think you'll find your community. I mean, people just, it's, even if you haven't read the book, which, by the way, this is my first Colleen Hoover book, which was so wild. This is just like, her book that stands out. She self-published it because it's so not her normal type of novel. But we brought a group of girls to see The Housemaid that hadn't read the book and they really enjoyed it. So I think, I really can't wait. I think it's gonna be incredible. We have Love is Blind, Boston, finally, October 14th. And love is gonna need to be blind with this cast. This, not the women, all women are beautiful. The men on this cast, right? Like, coming off of Love is Blind UK, the hottest cast. Like, it's a real come down.

• 44:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I was like, are other people feeling like this? I'm scrolling. I'm waiting to find anybody as hot as the UK men.

• 44:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Beekeeper? What are we doing?

• 44:35Rayna Greenberg?

  The accents, you guys, I cannot wait for the accents coming out of these people's bodies.

• 44:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I, you know, it's not as common as you would think. It's hard, it's hard to find. Like, I hope they find some Boston accents. It's not everybody running around the city. The same with like, a Staten Island, New York accent. You don't hear it that much in Manhattan. And so it's like, most of Shoshone's friends don't have that accent. Their parents do. You just, it's not as common as you would think. And I hope they find some. I just, I do. Everybody's gonna want it, but it's like, I'm there a ton. That's, you don't hear it on the streets like you think you do. It's not the town when you're walking around Boston proper. And so I hope they find them. I mean, you know, we joke about Boston being the short king capital of the country. Like, are these guys all gonna be short kings from Southie? I just cannot wait to see it.

• 45:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Also, I hope, I hope it is people from Boston proper. Like, sometimes they do these shows and like, Denver was not really people from Denver. Denver was people all over Colorado. And I hope that this is Southie boys. I'm looking for real Boston people.

• 45:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. I mean, it's Boston. So many people do live like, kind of outside the city suburbs. Many people from like, Cambridge or Worcester or different towns like that. But I do hope it's like, in the area.

• 45:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Me too.

• 45:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  And just a few things I watched. I watched Love Hypothesis, which is a cute rom-com on Amazon. It started kind of meh and then we really ended up liking it. I watched it with Shoshone. This is Lily Reinhardt, Tom Bateman, who is so sexy. I did not know of him. He is very hot. She's a grad student. He's this ruthless professor. They start a fake relationship and I'm sure you can guess what happens next. But I found it really cute. Like, if you're looking for just a fun watch, like, I don't love every single rom-com. You know what I felt about that J Lo one. I feel like this is totally fun, light, watchable, if you're looking for two hours to pass.

• 46:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I can't believe we even talked about this yet. Lily Reinhardt's wardrobe for the press tour for this movie is unbelievable. So she has been wearing, incredible. She's been wearing dresses from other rom-coms throughout history. I mean, it is such a thing. She's never looked better. It is absolutely incredible. You guys should look this up. I mean, it's just like, it's a romance movie outfit tribute. And she is wearing the gold dress from How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days. She is wearing Miss Congeniality.

• 46:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, oh my God, I saw the Miss Congeniality one.

• 46:56Rayna Greenberg?

  Airway Leje dress. She is wearing Uptown Girls, Brittany Murphy's dress from Uptown Girls. I mean, this is one of like, the most incredible like, press tour ideas I have ever seen. Every single dress is just like, 10 out of 10. These are really nostalgic. Atonement, which I did not see. Suddenly 30, Jennifer Garner's outfit. And then the final one is My Date with the President's Daughter from 1998. She just has all these like, really iconic looks. I mean, she has never looked better. This is a brilliant idea. I've been loving watching it.

• 47:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I, yeah, and I recommend this, this movie. I just, like, I feel like I, we are entering back into a good, good age of rom-coms. I've seen some ones that I've enjoyed. I hadn't talked about this in a sec, but I watched The People We Meet on Vacation. I like that, too. It didn't blow my mind, but I enjoyed it. And so I'm liking this because I feel like we went through a real period where they were all really bad. And I feel like we've turned a corner. So Love Hypothesis is good. Check it out. And I love that you brought that up about the press tour. I saw that Miss Congeniality thing and I didn't really totally clock what she was doing and it's iconic. And last night, we watched Best of the Best. So this is, Hasan Minhaj was a writer on it. And Maitri, I'm gonna butcher her name. I practiced this last night. I'm still gonna mess up.

• 48:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  She was the main actress from Never Have I Ever. And this is a coming of age comedy movie about two childhood best friends who join UCLA's competitive Bollywood fusion dance team. So it's a dance movie and there are these two best friends who go to UCLA. And I loved it. I've her, her and Hassan have been doing this press tour that's been so hilarious. And they have this like big brother, little sister energy. And it's been so funny. I've been like watching all the interviews. I just love them together. And I like this. I love the cultural representation. The acting is great. It's a totally fresh storyline. This Bollywood dance team, you know, like in terms of like something that we really haven't seen before.

• 48:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  I love the music. Osama has a cameo, of course. He shows up at the very end. And it's just really cute. We really, really liked it. So I recommend that on Netflix. Best of the best.

• 49:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know if I recommend this, but I, it has been pouring on rain here. I haven't left the house in like three days. So I have recently gotten back into Real Housewives of New York. I mean, this is like season 16. People every year since the original cast was canned are just like, what are we doing here? And they keep trying to add new people. And I don't know, I want to love it because it's like my city. And it's just not really working. I don't even know if like, maybe a show like this just doesn't work in New York City anymore. Like, it should be about like a community of people that know each other, that like, maybe some of their kids go to school together. And they used to have these women in the Upper East Side. And even like Beverly Hills makes more sense to me. Because like those women sort of run in the same circles. These women are so disparate in their ages. I mean, there's some new people on the season that are pretty cool. Hayley Glassman, who was the mistress of John Goslin.

• 49:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, right. Oh, my God.

• 49:53Rayna Greenberg?

  They have Erica Hammond, who's married to the founder of Built Rewards.

• 49:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, Bill. Oh, I've met her. She's really nice.

• 49:58Rayna Greenberg?

  She also was, I think, one of the co-founders of Rumble Boxing. I really like her on the show. She is like, of the entire cast, she's the person I like the most. She, it makes, she makes sense on the show. They have this girl Daisy on the show, who is Martha Stewart's makeup artist. And Martha Stewart makes an appearance on every episode for the first three episodes. It is hysterical. Like, how did they get Martha on here? My biggest criticism of the show is that they recast Carol Radswell. I'm not age shaming her at all, but Carol Radswell is 63 or 64 years old. And half of this cast is in their, most of them are all in their 30s. She is just, she's in a different generation as these people, a different phase of life. And they casted her because Love Story was so big, the show, the show Love Story about Carolyn Bisette.

• 50:40Rayna Greenberg?

  And she was very good friends with Carolyn Bisette. And she was married to JFK Junior's cousin. And she wrote a book about it. And every scene, she's just like, kind of sour and doesn't want to talk about it. But that is why she was cast on the show, was to talk about it. So it's weird that she takes this like tone. That's the only reason you're on the show. She gets really like sour about it and doesn't want to talk about it. It's like, I get it. I wouldn't want to talk about my friend dying in a horrific accent. It's terrible. But I wouldn't be cast on a reality show about it. So I don't know. I try to push through. I don't, they're trying to do something. Maybe the show doesn't work in New York City anymore. I don't know. Now, these people have anything to do with each other, really. It's just like strangers, kind of like drumming up drama with each other.

• 51:20Rayna Greenberg?

  So I'm trying, you guys. I will watch it tonight. Just about four episodes might be all I can take.

• 51:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, maybe it doesn't deserve to be in your top 10. If you can't even watch it anymore. That was my, that was one of my criteria. One of my criteria was like, did I finish this show in full? If it's not still on, which I don't think any of mine were. But like, can I, did I, did I give it up along the way? Because then it couldn't make the cut.

• 51:48Rayna Greenberg?

  That's a good call.

• 51:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Because like Walking Dead, I was a big Walking Dead person. And I didn't finish it.

• 51:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Let me see what I have to swap it with. I would be comfy, I would be comfy swapping it with White Lotus. But it's hard for me to love White Lotus because it's different every season. So it's like, who's to say? If I will like it next season.

• 52:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Camping your top 10. You got, you gotta love it, love it. All or nothing, you know, to be on the list.

• 52:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Euphoria was one of my favorite shows, and now it's my least favorite show. It couldn't make the top 10.

• 52:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Euphoria shouldn't have made your list either. You're going to redo the list. You know, you'll stay up till now. You'll work on it. We'll touch base next week, you guys. Okay, let's move on, on a more serious note. So for headlines today, there's not too much going on that we feel like we need to cover. And the biggest headline right now is what's been happening with these Cornell rapists. And we just want to discuss that as our headline portion for today.

• 52:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I mean, this is on my mind a lot. This is about an assault that happened in 2024. And the punishments that were and were not given out to these seven men and the 57 men that were on this group chat, advertising that there was a woman available for sex in this frat house. If you guys aren't familiar, she was assaulted for many hours by seven men. Two of the guys were expelled. Correct me if I'm wrong. The other five allegedly were subject to just sort of like administrative punishments of writing essays. They're like, all of these men's lives have sort of moved on. And, you know, it has sparked this greater discussion of, you know, this, this happens everywhere. This happens in corporations and jobs and schools, all the way to the highest level of government in the White House.

• 53:24Rayna Greenberg?

  And this notion of, you know, we don't want to ruin these men's lives. And, you know, they're just kids. And women have to bear the brunt of it. And it's sickening. And any woman, anyone who's ever been in a school environment, a job environment, has been subject to harassment on even a small scale, can feel how terrible this is, that we continuously look out for men and not ruining their lives. But the same kindness is not given to women. The burden of proof is given to women. And we ruin their lives constantly, time and time again, without a thought. So it's obviously on our minds a lot and very upsetting.

• 53:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it has been on my mind nonstop. I feel like I don't have the words to adequately speak about it, express the rage I feel about it. And just the devastation that this is the country we live in and that we've always lived in. And like Raina said, this is not an isolated incident. This happened two fucking years ago. And it is an extreme case. But versions of this happen all over the country at college campuses and elsewhere constantly. There's not a woman alive who doesn't know multiple women who have been assaulted by men, if not herself. And so I, first of all, I just want to commend the bravery of Jane Doe, which obviously they're calling her.

• 54:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  She just needs to be applauded and protected at all costs. I don't ever want to hear, why don't women report ever again in my fucking life? Because shit doesn't happen. I mean, whatever you want to do is up to you. But there, it's become so clear why women don't. Because there are no consequences a lot of the time. And I hope that this time will be different. And what, New York State has reopened this case, basically, which is great to see because of public pressure, which is not how this should work. We shouldn't have to do this. We shouldn't have to have vigilante justice with this. But here we are. And ruin these men's lives forever. Ruin every single one of them, all seven of them. Everyone who was complicit in this, put their names, their faces everywhere. Get them fired for their jobs.

• 55:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Get them never hired again. Hold their families accountable. Ruin their lives. You raped someone. Your life should be ruined forever. And the thing I can't stop thinking about is, this is Gen Z men. Like, this is supposed to be the consent generation. I was talking about this with my best friend Cory, who is a high school teacher. And they are supposed to have been raised with a healthy fear after the Me Too movement. Whether they respect women or not, they don't. Whether they view them as equals, they don't. They should still be scared to rape someone. And I can't believe these men weren't more scared. Like, I can't believe one person wasn't like, hey, as much as I love free pussy, and as much as I love to rape an unconscious woman, maybe we might get kicked out of school or not get jobs.

• 56:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I can't believe there is not more fear. And the reason is because of who's president. Like, we have a convicted rapist, someone who's been accused of rape, sexual assault, pedophilia dozens of times. The person who said, I don't even wait. When you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab them by the pussy. Before he was elected the first time. I will never forgive anyone who voted for that. You knew and you voted for it anyway. And you're complicit in this rape culture. And the fact that the president is a convicted rapist because he told you who he was and you didn't care. And we haven't done anything about the Epstein files. Brett Kavanaugh is a Supreme Court justice. Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth is an accused rapist. Donald Trump nominated a sex trafficker, Matt Gaetz, to be Attorney General.

• 56:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, this is who we are now. This is what America is. And these boys have paid attention. When these Cornell rapists were 11, 12, and they saw an accused rapist, they saw Donald Trump say, you can grab them by the pussy. You can do whatever you want to women. And then he became president. And so for the next 10 years, they have been conditioned to think, whatever you do, if you have the money, you have the resources, and you are white, or you have the right proximity to whiteness and power, you will not be punished for your wrongdoings. You can do whatever you want. And you can do especially whatever you want to women. And that is why they think they can get away with it.

• 57:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course it is. And I'm so angry because this is the most recognizable machine. And I don't think it should be around anymore. This machine says like, protect his future, question her account, destroy her life, put the burden of truth on her, manage the institution's image, whether that is politics, whether that's a school, whether that's a corporation, and only call it accountability when, once everybody is watching. And even when everybody's watching, there's no consequences. It is so maddening. It is so sickening for me, for every woman that I've ever watched have to go through this and whose lives were ruined. I just, I feel sick about it. And yes, ruin these men's lives, get them fired. Let's make an example out of every single one of them.

• 58:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. And you know, this did exist before Trump became president. Like, obviously, Brock Turner was during Obama. Like, it's just gotten so much worse and so much more reinforced. I just don't think that we would see this happen. This insane thing we've seen happen, seven men have gang raped a woman and gotten away with it in their college, covered it up with a different administration. And I could be wrong, but it's just like, it's gotten so horrific. And things are just so much worse than they should be in a post Me Too world.

• 58:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 58:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  With this consent generation. And so, there's so much more we could say. I could say so much about men and raising good men and all these things. I mean, maybe we'll continue to talk about it, but you know, we're just getting started. And you know, I've seen a lot of different things about this that I just want to stay focused. I've seen language policing. I've seen, don't call them the Cornell Seven, call it, you know, use active voice instead of passive voice. Don't use the grape emoji. Say rape with your full chest. And it's like, people, there's various reasons why people may censor themselves depending on the app they're on, or why they have, why they use the language they do. Like, I just don't want us to lose the plot in this. If we are all on the same team and we really know, of course, this woman did nothing wrong, we want these men to burn in hell. Like, can we stop with this? I feel crazy. It's like, it's like, attention

• 59:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  seeking, and it like, takes attention away from the point. Like, I know, language is important, but like, I just, I feel like I'm starting, the language policing is really starting to piss me off. Because like, that's not the point. And like, same team, same, this is why I see with the left, the infighting. Same team, stay the course, ruin these men's lives. And this Cornell Seven is at the website, the cornellseven.org, was started by Toby Morton, who @wordclown is his handle. He was a former writer on South Park. And he is putting all their names and everything up on this website. You guys can check that out. But I mean, everybody has been talking about this. And we will continue to follow

• 1:00:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  this case. But that's, we love, we love to see it. Like, the names, the faces, everybody, destroy everybody.

• 1:00:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Amen. I hate to end the episode like this, but you know, this is what's on our feed constantly. And this is a show with a primarily female audience. And I'm sure you're angry and sickened watching this. And we are too. And we just want to lend our voices to this as well.

• 1:00:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. And again, the same with the TV list. There's stuff we didn't say. There's stuff we missed. We don't need to be policed about. Our same team here. We'll get to it another time. This is going to be a story that we're going to follow really closely. So.

• 1:00:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Comparing this to the TV list is so funny.

• 1:00:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm just, my point is, sorry if we missed a point you want us to make. We're doing our best. And that's your snacks.

• 1:00:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  GirlsGottaEat.com, GirlsGottaEatPodcast on Instagram and TikTok. I'm Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Raina is Rayna Greenberg. Rayna Greenberg for her tour tickets. She will be seeing you guys all over this week, next, and through the fall. And you can watch full video on Spotify and YouTube. Share this episode with a friend. Leave a comment on Spotify or YouTube. Leave a review. And we will see you guys Monday.

• 1:01:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a good weekend, guys.

• 1:01:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.

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