Kylie & Mikaela Shiffrin on Looking Like Twins, “Back Abs,” & Figure Skating Greatness w/ Johnny Weir & Tara Lipinski | Ep. 56

Kylie is joined by Mikaela Shiffrin, Johnny Weir, and Tara Lipinski for another Winter Olympics Extravaganza! Kylie’s thrilled to sit down with the American G. O. A. T of skiing, broadcasting legends, and sneaky Faithfuls on the Traitors. Kylie starts this episode with her favorite Real One Comment of the Week, who caught her turned around at the Team USA Women’s Hockey Gold Medal Match. (3:12) And breaks down how her superstitions *actually* helped give the team momentum to win in overtime. Then, Kylie reveals in places Kylie Has *No* Business Being, she watched the Women’s Figure Skating Short Program with Nathan Chen, and Speed Skating with Apolo Ohno. (6:13) And she emphasizes, if you are trying to learn the mechanics of a new sport, it’s best to learn from the greats. In Doomscroll of the Week, Kylie reacts to Eileen Gu’s amazing comeback after a reporter insults her for “only” winning silver, and translates Gu’s polite result to what she couldn’t say: FAFO! (7:41) Plus, Kylie takes a look at how you actually get to the top of the Big Ski Jump, and by you, she definitely does NOT mean her. (10:11) Then Jason and Kylie figure out which winter sport they predict each one of their girls would play! After that, Kylie sits down with 3x Gold Medal skier, right off of her record-breaking win, Mikaela Shiffrin! (14:15) Mikaela and Kylie talk about cursing on LIVE television (16:16), her remarkable gold medal Slalom run (19:46), and celebrating with espresso martinis. They also get into how Mikaela has ‘back abs’ (32:14), how they first connected thanks to The Other Podcast (33:55), figure out when Mikaela will give Kylie a ski lesson, and settle the debate if they are actually… long lost sisters? (46:37) Kylie is then joined by figure skating broadcasters and current Faithfuls on the Traitors: Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski! (55:54) Kylie immediately bonds with them as they are all Philly natives, and they reveal their favorite word in the Delco accent. Johnny and Tara also talk about their connection to Kylie through the Traitors, break down Donna as the Secret Traitor, and how they hid the fact that they were best friends. (58:24) Kylie asks about what makes this USA Figure Skating Team so amazing, complimenting Alysa Liu for her liberating gold medal performance. (1:10:29) Then Johnny and Tara let Kylie know how more fans can watch them broadcast figure skating throughout the year, and follow their favorite skaters. (1:15:04) Make sure you tune into More Sh*t Monday on the Not Gonna Lie YouTube channel for even more exclusive clips from our TWO Winter Olympics Spectaculars!. . . Follow Not Gonna Lie on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: lnk.to/j61XD8 Purchase NGL Merch: https://www.nglkylie.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Kylie Kelce?

  Not gonna lie, I lied to you. That's right.

• 0:06Kylie Kelce?

  This, I said was Milo, and it's not. It's Milo. So, put some respect on his name. Also, I would just like to point out,

• 0:18Kylie Kelce?

  he is our Paralympics mascot. This is his tail. Look at how cute he is. Look at him. Are you kidding? Let's get this podcast started.

• 0:33Kylie Kelce?

  Benvenuti a quale vere.

• 0:38Kylie Kelce?

  Almost. How'd I do? I don't know. I got a thumbs up.

• 0:46Kylie Kelce?

  That, of course, means "welcome, real ones", in Italian, we think. Yes? Sure. I'm back for part two of our Winter Olympics spectacular of "Not Gonna Lie: A Wave Original", and I'm here once again in studio in Milan with YouTube and NBC at the Milan Cortina Winter Olympics. I'm your host, Kylie Kelce. The best dish I've had since being in Milan is definitely parmigiana, which is not what the Americans think, okay? It's this lovely thinly sliced eggplant with a little bit of tomatoes

• 1:22Kylie Kelce?

  and mozzarella cheese. Maybe some parmigiana in there? Who knows? It was freaking delicious. They could've put a shoe in there and I would've eaten it. That shit was phenomenal. And also spaghetti arrabbiata. Oh, I got a nod for that. Okay. I'd eat that every day of my life. My favorite experience from this trip so far has to be watching the Women's Ice Hockey Final, when they won gold in overtime, in person. That was bananas. God, it was so good. And our most feral child. That's right. Benny Boo Boo Bear. She's turning three years old tomorrow.

• 2:08Kylie Kelce?

  Amazing. So, happy birthday to Benny.

• 2:12Kylie Kelce?

  And I wonder how three is gonna go. We'll all find out together. But for now, time to lock back in on the Olympics action. Coming up on today's Winter Olympics spectacular, part two. I'm going to talk about all our experiences at the Winter Olympics, including last night's insane win of the women's gold medal ice hockey game. Then in Doomscore the Week, a reporter fucked around and skier Eileen Gu let him find out. And we love that. I can't wait to show that clip. After that, I'm going to be joined by not one, not two, but three Team USA greats.

• 2:50Kylie Kelce?

  Fresh off of her gold medal run in slalom, icon Mikaela Shiffrin and figure skating royalty Johnny Weir and Tara Lipinski.

• 3:00Kylie Kelce?

  Yep, you guessed it. I'm not sure how I ended up in this chair, but we get to talk to all of them. Stick around. But before we get to all of that, let's start off with the real one comment of the week. Christopher Boyd 331 said, Kylie, we see you turning around at the US Women's Gold Medal Game. Awesome. For those of you who don't know, maybe you're just tuning in for the Olympics content. I have a habit of being superstitious. I can't help myself. Part of the reason why I stole one of those lovely pieces of wood the other day was because sometimes you have to knock on it and sometimes you have to sit backwards in your seat at a stadium. I don't make the rules.

• 3:43Kylie Kelce?

  I just manifest them in my head and think that I'm helping. I turned around, I believe it was during the second period. And

• 3:56Kylie Kelce?

  I want to be clear. This is partially a running joke and partially me answering my superstitious anxiety thoughts. Okay? So just, I know that the reason the US Women's Hockey Team succeeded was because they've trained their whole lives for this. But also, it did start going uphill in the second period. So.

• 4:23Kylie Kelce?

  I'm not saying that, Jason also put his hat on. I just think that there was like a lot of things that changed, including them taking control of the momentum of the game, and throwing the puck a little bit less and moving as a unit. You know, there were things that happened on the ice and there were things that happened off the ice. And we did what we could do. This was definitely one of the best sporting events I've ever been to. It was, I mean, here's the deal. I've said it about the Eagles so many times at this point, that I would love to go into something and just experience stress-free. Stress-free fandom. But apparently that's not the life I was meant to live. Because this was

• 5:08Kylie Kelce?

  difficult, and also fucking thrilling. It was incredible and these women fought so hard. We have a clip here of our whole team freaking out after the game-winning goal. Let's see it.

• 5:27Kylie Kelce?

  You'll see me have to like unfold myself? Yep.

• 5:35Kylie Kelce?

  That, I don't know. We should slow-mo me getting stuck on my own legs. I tried my best not to pee a little or cry a little. I tried my best.

• 5:47Kylie Kelce?

  I can't tell you whether or not I was successful, but I tried my hardest and I loved every second of it. And this is what we came for. Congrats to Team USA. Big shout out to Cleveland Heights best athlete, gold medalist Leila Edwards. What a great way to start the day of people seeing, not gonna lie, Leila Edwards, and finishing the day with a gold medal around her neck. Okay, a few days ago, we called this segment Places Kylie Has Some Business Being, but the more insanely cool things I get to do here in Milan, like see our hockey team win a gold medal, the more I realize it's gotta go back to no business.

• 6:27Kylie Kelce?

  Guys, who are we kidding? I don't know what I'm doing here, but we're doing cool shit and that's what matters. In addition to men's and women's hockey, we also got to see two skating events. Both times, I got to ask questions to the most qualified experts. First was figure skating with Nathan Chen, sitting directly behind us. Jason was asking questions and genuinely, by the end of the short programs that we watched, Jason was calling what was and was not correct. And that's why, it just goes to show you, he's good at everything and kind of, it's a pain in my ass.

• 7:12Kylie Kelce?

  I said it. He's sitting right over there. I said it basically to his face. He's good at everything and makes me mad. And then, we got to talk about speed skating with Apollo Ono, which again, if you're gonna quiz people or try and learn about what you're watching, go to the greats, okay? Nathan Chen, Apollo Ono, what's happening? I'm saying these words out loud and I'm still not really believing them. All right, that's it for Places Kylie Has No Business Being. Next, on Doom Scroll of the Week, Winter Olympics Edition, Part 2. First up, five-time Olympic medal-winning skier Eileen Gu was asked what I gently call,

• 7:53Kylie Kelce?

  this is the nicest way I could say that, "an absurd question at the podium." And I feel it's my duty as someone with a series called Fuck Around and Find Out, to share her response. Queen, um, the clip, please.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  Also, do you see these as two silvers gained or two goals lost?

• 8:11Speaker 02

  I'm the most decorated free skier, female free skier in history. I think that's a answer in and of itself. How do I say this? Winning a medal at the Olympics is a life-changing experience for every athlete. Doing it five times is exponentially harder, because every medal is equally hard for me, but everybody else's expectations rise, right? And so, the two medals lost situation, to be quite frank with you, I think is kind of a ridiculous perspective to take. I'm showcasing my best skiing, I'm doing things that quite literally have never been done before, and so I think that is more than good enough, but thank you.

• 8:57Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, let me just break this down real quick. First of all, I hope he feels how far into his mouth he put his foot. Second, I cannot emphasize enough that her laughter at the beginning of this

• 9:15Kylie Kelce?

  was him finding out. And I love that she laughed in his face. He deserved that. He did. It was a bad choice by him and she let him feel it. Third, I think that her saying "thank you" at the end of it was the biggest "fuck you" that she could have said. She said "thank you," she meant "go fuck yourself." And I love that so much. I love that so much. And if we can't keep me... We're keeping me saying "go fuck yourself." She said it, not me. I love this. Eileen, you nailed this. Congratulations, Eileen, on both handling this situation and your medals.

• 10:00Kylie Kelce?

  Well done. You're welcome on the podcast anytime, by the way, if you want to help other people who might need to find out when they fuck around. So, whenever you want. Next scroll is Team USA snowboarder Hannah Norman, who gave us an insider look at how you get to the top of the Olympics' big air jump. And when I say "you," I most definitely do not mean me. You'll see why. Queen Emma, the clip, please.

• 10:29Speaker 03

  A lot of people wanted to know how we got to the top of the big air drop-in. So, I'm here to answer it. I walked past it the other day and there's those two elevators that I just panned to, and they just go all the way up to the top. I think the structure is something like 150 feet tall.

• 10:44Kylie Kelce?

  I didn't even need to know that, no.

• 10:46Speaker 03

  Sketchy little scaffolding elevators. And then I don't have a video, but once you're at the top, it's sort of just like this big, flat platform that we hang out until we drop.

• 10:53Kylie Kelce?

  Until we drop. I'm sorry. What? You... There is not an amount of money in this world. The idea of going up that high is one thing. To do it in an elevator that you can see out of, another thing.

• 11:12Kylie Kelce?

  To do it in an elevator that you can see out of, to go up that high with so little?

• 11:21Kylie Kelce?

  Built of a structure. I'm out. And you know what? You know, it never fails. That's right. The comment section. So you should get your ass in there because we got Ginger Scorpio saying, Bro, why did I think you were just at the top of a big mountain? That's yes. I feel like we're seeing the backside of a Broadway set. You know what I mean? Just, I'm good. It ruins the magic, really. Crystal White said, honey bunches of nope. And Molly said, I define this sport as a second born activity.

• 11:59Kylie Kelce?

  We love a little birth order joke around here. You know that. Queen Emma wants to know, do you think Ellie would be your most willing to try some of these more daring winter sports? Hmm. Huh.

• 12:13Kylie Kelce?

  Do you think? I think it might be Benny.

• 12:15Speaker 04

  I think right now, they all go through like their own phases of like being like more adventurous.

• 12:21Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 12:21Speaker 04

  Like recently Wyatt's actually been like she was jumping on the beanbag from the couch over and I was like, yeah. It was kind of like, uh, this is like an accident waiting to happen. But at the same time, like, yeah.

• 12:32Kylie Kelce?

  Let me see how it ends.

• 12:34Speaker 04

  No, just, I just, I want her to get out of her shell. So it's like, you know what? She hits her head on the cabinet, whatever, we'll figure it out.

• 12:40Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 12:41Speaker 04

  But.

• 12:41Kylie Kelce?

  I will say, I think that if you were going to give each of our kids, if you could see into the future, crystal ball this shit. And they ended up being winter sport athletes.

• 12:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:55Kylie Kelce?

  What sport do you think they would each do?

• 12:57Speaker 04

  Um, I feel like Wyatt would do figure skating.

• 13:00Kylie Kelce?

  I thought the same thing.

• 13:01Speaker 04

  Yeah. She likes to like dance. But Benny likes to do that, too. Benny is very like performative. Like whenever we do like the little fashion shows with the dresses.

• 13:09Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:09Speaker 04

  She like really works it.

• 13:11Kylie Kelce?

  She does.

• 13:11Speaker 04

  She can play to a crowd very well.

• 13:13Kylie Kelce?

  She does.

• 13:14Speaker 04

  Um, so I guess I think Benny would be figure skater.

• 13:17Kylie Kelce?

  I think Wyatt would be figure skating.

• 13:19Speaker 04

  They probably would both be figure skating.

• 13:21Kylie Kelce?

  I think Ellie would be snowboarding of some kind.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  I can see that for sure. She's a little bit like Marcia's to her own beat type.

• 13:29Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, and she's like a little more tomboyish.

• 13:31Speaker 04

  I agree. Yep.

• 13:33Kylie Kelce?

  Jury's still Adam Finney.

• 13:35Speaker 04

  Well, you can see Wyatt doing like, she's a very like cooperative person. So I can see her doing like a team sport. Like a hockey or?

• 13:41Kylie Kelce?

  I don't think she would want to hit people. Ellie might do hockey.

• 13:45Speaker 04

  Good point.

• 13:46Kylie Kelce?

  Ellie would want to hit people.

• 13:47Speaker 04

  Good point.

• 13:47Kylie Kelce?

  Ellie would be calm until she wasn't. And then good luck.

• 13:50Speaker 04

  Maybe why is a bobsledder?

• 13:53Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe. Uh, that's it for Doom Scroll the Week, Winter Olympics Edition. Hopefully we get to bring this segment back in exactly four years. Now, once again, it's time for the reason I'm here, the reason the real ones are tuning in, our incredible guests, starting with Team USA's slalom skiing gold medal winner, Mikaela Schifrin. Thanks again to our friends at YouTube and NBC. She's the three time Olympic gold medalist, fresh off of her record breaking slalom victory in Cortina. She has the most Olympic gold medals of any US Alpine skier in history. And some would say, some including me, she's the greatest American skier ever. She has a hit podcast called What's The Point? And fun fact, she's once offered to teach me how to ski.

• 14:37Kylie Kelce?

  It's Mikaela Schifrin. Welcome to Not Gonna Lie.

• 14:39Speaker 05

  That did happen. Yeah, thank you. I'm so happy to be here.

• 14:43Kylie Kelce?

  Um, we, our team got you a bowl of gummy bears, just in case you felt the need. Do you want to tell people about this?

• 14:50Speaker 05

  About the, yeah, the sour gummy bears. Um, is it okay if I actually have one?

• 14:54Kylie Kelce?

  No, they're yours. They literally just put them in the bowl. Nobody else has touched them.

• 14:58Speaker 05

  Nobody's like sneezed on them?

• 14:59Kylie Kelce?

  No, my husband did. Oh, I'm a germaphobe. That would have been, I would have called it. And my husband, I actually told him he wasn't allowed to touch them.

• 15:07Speaker 05

  Would you like one? Yeah, here, let's just share these. My gosh, what's happening?

• 15:12Speaker 04

  What's the best color here?

• 15:13Speaker 05

  Oh, you know what? I don't know. I think orange is pretty good. I'll just feed them to you.

• 15:18Kylie Kelce?

  Grab one of each.

• 15:21Speaker 05

  Grab one of each. Would you like one?

• 15:23Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, I'm okay. Thank you.

• 15:27Speaker 05

  Yeah, the sour gummies, it's just, it's like a. I guess it's a hack for anxiety that

• 15:33Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, sour candy.

• 15:34Speaker 05

  Eating sour gummies. I gotta put this down.

• 15:36Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, no, I'll tell, I'll tell, I'll tell while you chew. It's, studies have shown that anxiety can be managed in like minor situations.

• 15:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 15:46Kylie Kelce?

  With sour candy.

• 15:48Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 15:48Kylie Kelce?

  That it shocks.

• 15:50Speaker 05

  Like sour things, like I, in theory, if you bite into a lemon, there's like these external factors that help like, sort of, it's like parasympathetic and sympathetic nervous system stuff. Like it's a little scientific, but anyway, I've been eating sour gummies at the start and I do not like sour things, like bad, bad, bad, but these are

• 16:11Kylie Kelce?

  Just enough.

• 16:12Speaker 05

  These are just enough.

• 16:13Kylie Kelce?

  Just enough.

• 16:14Speaker 05

  Tolerable.

• 16:14Kylie Kelce?

  I love that. Now, I saw the clip where you accidentally, we'll call it accidentally, said the F word on TV. Allegedly. I just want to be clear again, you can say whatever the fuck you want on here.

• 16:28Kylie Kelce?

  I just need to clarify that so that we're, we have it all out, but I'm very proud of you for that because I do love that your reaction to dropping an F-bomb was then to say, oh shit. Because why not?

• 16:41Speaker 05

  No, I was like spiraling.

• 16:43Kylie Kelce?

  No, no, why not manage an expletive with another expletive?

• 16:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, you know the next one.

• 16:49Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, take your pick.

• 16:50Speaker 05

  I'm like, mother. No, no, no, we can't do that.

• 16:55Kylie Kelce?

  Now, you said espresso martinis. Were you still feeling the espresso martinis?

• 17:00Speaker 05

  No, we were just, so I have never had one. I, now I have. I had not ever had one.

• 17:06Kylie Kelce?

  Lovely place to have one.

• 17:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, it was, everybody had been raving about the espresso martinis where we were like having dinners and I'd never had one and I haven't been drinking for the, probably the last two years. Like not a sip, so.

• 17:22Kylie Kelce?

  This is explaining.

• 17:23Speaker 05

  Yeah, so over the course of the evening after the solemn race, I probably had a total of just one.

• 17:30Kylie Kelce?

  Sure.

• 17:30Speaker 05

  But everybody on our team, we had this like celebration toast and everybody on our team was there and like the, you know, donors and sponsors and all of these partners and like they were all handing me espresso martini. I was like double fisting espresso martinis and I don't think, and then they're like, make sure to pace yourself, because this will hit hard. I'm like, I haven't eaten all day. I haven't had a drink in like two years.

• 17:55Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. You're in the mountains.

• 17:57Speaker 05

  I'm in the mountains. I had to make a speech, so I like down a glass of champagne, which is the worst ever. It tastes like wet dog. Like champagne is, do you like champagne?

• 18:08Kylie Kelce?

  That's so accurate.

• 18:10Speaker 05

  It's gro- when you've got sprayed with champagne, then you're like, everything I have smells like, and like if you get, if you spray a winter hat with champagne, you will never get that smell out of your system. And you will never like champagne again.

• 18:26Kylie Kelce?

  That's so accurate. It's like slightly sour.

• 18:29Speaker 05

  Yeah. Wet dog. And like rancid, rancid. And um, yeah, so, but that's what everybody wants to toast with. So we were toasting with champagne. I'm like, oh, I gotta make a speech. I haven't thought about this. So I'm like down the champagne. And I'm like, oh, we're in it now. And then somebody hands me an espresso, well, my mom actually handed me an espresso martini.

• 18:46Kylie Kelce?

  That's women supporting women.

• 18:47Speaker 05

  Thanks, mom. Mom's fault.

• 18:51Kylie Kelce?

  And then does mom also have a mouth? Does mom use expletives?

• 18:56Speaker 05

  Uh, to be honest, I've actually been a really bad influence on her. She would not have. And I was like, the first thing that I actually thought when this happened, what went through my mind and the reason I said shit was like, my aunts are gonna come after me.

• 19:13Speaker 05

  I was like, oh no, when my mom sees this, what's she gonna say? But honestly, we've gotten to the point, I've read somewhere like two weeks ago, that swearing helps you live longer. It's like a release of energy, a marker of intelligence.

• 19:28Kylie Kelce?

  You read that one too?

• 19:29Speaker 05

  I've read that one. People send, people send that one to me in the last 20 more hours.

• 19:34Kylie Kelce?

  People tag me in the comments. Now, uh, not many people realize this, but this conversation is actually years in the making.

• 19:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:41Kylie Kelce?

  But I'm gonna come back to that because uh, I don't want to bury the lead. Uh, you won.

• 19:47Speaker 05

  Won it.

• 19:47Kylie Kelce?

  You won.

• 19:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. It was a lottery.

• 19:50Kylie Kelce?

  You did. Um, you actually said, I won. I fucking won. This right here is the lottery and I won. Oh, and I got a medal too.

• 20:00Speaker 05

  Yeah. And that's there. That's where that is.

• 20:03Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, it is.

• 20:03Speaker 05

  Here it is.

• 20:04Kylie Kelce?

  Um, I would just like to say that when Mikaela walked in, she put her backpack down and then flung the medal out and said, "Do you want this out here? Do you want it out here?"

• 20:13Speaker 05

  Each day I'm like testing it a little bit more to see if it breaks.

• 20:16Kylie Kelce?

  I've seen a lot.

• 20:17Speaker 05

  I've seen, you've seen a lot of disconnected medals from, yeah, I know. It hasn't broken yet.

• 20:22Kylie Kelce?

  We spoke to Breezy about it the other day.

• 20:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:25Kylie Kelce?

  And apparently Alyssa's didn't last long either.

• 20:28Speaker 05

  Well, she jumps a lot.

• 20:30Kylie Kelce?

  It's funny because Breezy said that that's when hers broke.

• 20:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, everybody, so I was purposely not jumping.

• 20:36Kylie Kelce?

  Don't jump.

• 20:37Speaker 05

  I didn't, or if I jumped, I held it.

• 20:39Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 20:39Speaker 05

  But then I'm like a little bit sad because mine didn't break. But.

• 20:44Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe you need to jump.

• 20:45Speaker 05

  Maybe I need to jump. I guess we could probably do it real quick, just like make it happen.

• 20:49Kylie Kelce?

  We'll do like a, a celebration jump at the end as we'll see.

• 20:54Speaker 05

  Maybe they engineered mine properly.

• 20:58Kylie Kelce?

  Now, 48 hours ago, you won gold in slalom. Your first gold in eight years. Uh, first in slalom in 12 years. Is that right?

• 21:08Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 21:09Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 21:10Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 21:10Kylie Kelce?

  How are you feeling?

• 21:12Speaker 05

  Oh, it's been a whirlwind. Um.

• 21:16Speaker 05

  You know, after, after my first gold, after Sochi, I had no idea. I was just, I did not know what to anticipate. And I was 18 years old and I was like, it's a ski race, guys, it's gonna be fine. I was also sick for the slalom. I had a cold. So I was like totally delirious, just out of it, like, "Give me the, just give me the Advil and the Tylenol and I'll go do my race and it'll be fine." And then after that, it was just like 72 hours straight of. Um, I don't even know. I get like kind of where I am a little bit right now, but I know what to expect. But it's it's different, you know, twelve years in the making after my first gold medal.

• 21:57Speaker 05

  Um, and then South Korea was my next Olympics and I got two medals there, but it was also I sort of started to get a grasp of maybe the darker side of the Olympics where even though I won a gold in Giant's solemn, I didn't win a medal in the solemn. And that was like, it became this really bittersweet thing. And because the solemn was the last um, or the sort of the event I was supposed to win, it came after the GS, people just sort of like brushed the GS under the rug a little bit, which was really intriguing for me. I was like, you guys know I just won a medal, but I was seeing all these comments like, don't come home, you're not welcome in the US anymore. And this was the first time I was thinking, I saw the dark side of it like,

• 22:39Speaker 05

  there's a reaction no matter what you do. And like, people don't only tune into the Olympics, you know, they tune into your sport every four years, but they'll literally only turn tune into the event that they think there's a medal contender in. So they have no idea what happened in other, and I get it too, because I'm like, I have not been able to keep up with everything that's gone on here, but it was just interesting. So then I went to Beijing and I was like, oh, my gosh, there's so much pressure and and there, but there's also like, it's COVID and it's crazy and we're doing testing every day and we're wearing masks and we're isolated from each other, eating dinner and it was just, it was such an out of body experience in Beijing. Um, and then I saw like,

• 23:24Speaker 05

  a very intense side of the Olympics that a very, you know, high expectation side of it. Um, so now we're here and I'm like, are we sure? Is this real?

• 23:36Kylie Kelce?

  Does it feel a little dreamlike?

• 23:38Speaker 05

  A little dreamlike, yeah.

• 23:39Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 23:39Speaker 05

  That was a long explanation.

• 23:41Kylie Kelce?

  No, it's for real, for real. You did that again.

• 23:44Speaker 05

  Are we sure?

• 23:45Kylie Kelce?

  I'm certain you have it right there. I've seen it with my own two eyes. Um, how does this newest gold rank amongst the three?

• 23:53Speaker 05

  I don't think I can rank them really. I think they're just so totally different, like such, my Olympic experiences have been so wildly different. Now it's four and I

• 24:05Speaker 05

  I'm really aware right now of all of the work that's gone into, not, actually not the medal, but the work that's gone into showing up on race day and being able to like, show up with the mentality and the skiing that I wanted to do. And that, it was like, there's just been so much in the making and that started, obviously, what, you can be like, oh, it started thirty years ago, whatever, but also even this summertime, the amount of conversations I had with my psychologist, talking about all the different feelings surrounding the Olympics and like, desensitizing to the word and imagining the vibe, imagining the, the colors and even like, two summers ago, I was in Paris and one of the reasons to go to Paris was to be able to see

• 24:50Speaker 05

  this like Olympic look and to sort of desensitize to it and it's just been, it's been so much, you know, work with my team and like communication and it's been a really great growth experience, but you, you spend so much time doing all of this work and training for something and then it ha- like, the moment it happens is, you know, forty seven seconds or like in the blink of an eye and it's just really weird.

• 25:18Kylie Kelce?

  It's so, it's so cool to think about your team, all the work you're talking about that leads up to it. And the idea of obviously not ranking your medals, not picking this one, but the idea that like you've done so much to prepare for this moment. And you executed. So like regardless of the medal, you did what you came to do.

• 25:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. Yes, exactly. And you, I feel like we've been hearing that from a lot of athletes this games, like even Alyssa competing and, you know, those who maybe didn't win a medal when um, there was some expectation around that. It's like, a lot of athletes are prioritizing being happy in life. And I've been getting that message and maybe that's just because like my algorithm is putting, putting this out there to me because that's what I'm looking for too, but um, I have loved, I feel like there's a shift in a, in the sports environment to be like, First and foremost, you must be happy in life. Like Breezy, you were talking to her. We were talking about this. She kept sending me these messages.

• 26:22Speaker 05

  It's gonna sound a little bit blunt, but there's like a lead up to it, but we don't have time for that. So she's like, if you don't, if you're not happy without a medal, you won't be happy with a medal. Dot, dot, dot, because happiness comes from cats. And it's like.

• 26:37Kylie Kelce?

  Honestly.

• 26:37Speaker 05

  Perfect. Maybe not for your family, but.

• 26:40Kylie Kelce?

  We're like filling whatever you want into cats, right?

• 26:42Speaker 05

  Yeah. And it was like, you know, that's just this metaphor for like, yeah, there's just so much life outside of the sport. But we do so much of our life. You know, it's, it's all, it's all geared towards the sport. And it's even like, I haven't been drinking for two years because I, every time I have a glass of anything, I get sick. And I'm like, I can't afford to be sick.

• 27:04Kylie Kelce?

  Right.

• 27:04Speaker 05

  Literally ever. So we're just gonna not have any alcohol. Like, we're gonna drink electrolytes, man. It's just that this whole, this, all the dedication, for sure. And you've probably heard it a billion times, so people are maybe sick of that. But it is this, this cliche concept. And yeah, I don't know, just, I'm really appreciative of this now, especially be, like, this would not mean as much without Beijing. But it's also, I don't think it would have happened without Beijing. Like what I, what I went through in Beijing after my dad passing, what I went through with my mom there. And then, you know, in the years following that is just, it was just such a catalyst for immense growth in my life.

• 27:52Speaker 05

  And I don't think I would have been in the position to actually show up and execute the skiing properly here without that.

• 28:00Kylie Kelce?

  Without the whole journey.

• 28:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:02Kylie Kelce?

  Why is it so important to be open about your mental health? Because it's something that you've already touched on here today. But obviously, the journey that you've, you've taken and that you've continued to talk about, I think is really important, not only for athletes, but also for just everyone to hear that, I think athletes are some of, in our society, viewed as some of like the strongest people. Both physically and mentally.

• 28:30Speaker 05

  Mm hmm.

• 28:30Kylie Kelce?

  To be outspoken about discussing your mental health and well being is a way of saying, like, you acknowledge it and you allow other people to fall into that idea of it's okay to talk about it.

• 28:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:44Kylie Kelce?

  And it's not perfect and it's not supposed to be perfect.

• 28:46Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:47Kylie Kelce?

  Why is it so important for you to make sure that messaging is out there?

• 28:50Speaker 05

  I feel like with athletes in particular, they're so, there has been, and this is kind of shifting, but there's not a way that it's supposed to be. Like, you show up as an athlete and there will be points in your career where you feel really confident and there's going to be points in your career where you go through a lot of struggle and it's all part of it, right? But I feel like there's been such a, like, aura around sports. It's like you are supposed to be fearless. You're supposed to, like, dive into the unknown and challenges without questioning it at all. And I've just, over the course of my career, I've pretty much always questioned everything. I'm really uncertain most of the time. And it's so uncomfortable.

• 29:35Speaker 05

  But then it's like, when an athlete faces a moment where they're uncertain, then it's really uncomfortable and they don't know what to do with that. And then it's like, you get these really high highs and these really low lows and you think that you're supposed to be a certain way in order to achieve something great. And I feel like it's important to show to people and to, like, elaborate that there's not really one way anything's supposed to go. But for me personally, like verbally processing, talking with a psychologist, being, that has made my life so immensely better. Um, and it's helped my communication in relationships. I've become so much more clear and I'm sort of confident in action, maybe not in my, like,

• 30:20Speaker 05

  feeling within myself, but the way that I'm able to say no, or say yes, or set boundaries, or just like know what my own limits are and to express that to other people. And relationships within my family, relationships, um, outside of my family, like, within my team, that has gotten so much better because.

• 30:41Speaker 05

  Of like expressing what's going on in my head and in my heart. So I feel that it's really important. And we talk about mental health and there's just so many different layers of that, you know? Not everybody, like you don't have to have a clinical diagnosis to experience like what's going on in your head and your heart. That's just a real thing that people have because we've got brains and we got.

• 31:07Kylie Kelce?

  And we're human.

• 31:07Speaker 05

  And we're human and we got hearts.

• 31:09Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  I hope, I would hope. Having that one with that one yet.

• 31:17Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I always love to make sure that anyone that I speak to that's advocating for something that makes it easier for our girls, we have four girls, to navigate life. That I thank you in person. So I thank you for all of the things that you're talking about because you're gonna make me cry. Don't look at me like that.

• 31:39Speaker 05

  You don't cry.

• 31:39Kylie Kelce?

  No, don't. Don't do it. It'll be a chain reaction. Don't do it.

• 31:42Speaker 05

  Oh, no.

• 31:43Kylie Kelce?

  I always like to make sure that people who are having those conversations, people who are being transparent and allowing people in, in that way, who make it an easier world to navigate for our kids growing up, especially young women, that that is such an important thing to talk about. That that is like what you're doing where you're like, oh, I hope that someone, but people are. And I want you to know that.

• 32:06Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 32:07Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, absolutely. In addition to the mental strength, you've done so much physically to prepare. We're, we'll take it in a lighter note now. We've all seen the video of your back abs. What's happening?

• 32:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, so tough.

• 32:22Kylie Kelce?

  Strong. This is like, yes. You're joking.

• 32:28Speaker 05

  I wish. No, my mom saw that. I was like, mom, look at my back.

• 32:32Kylie Kelce?

  You don't wish. That's fucking impressive.

• 32:34Speaker 05

  When your mom tells you, you look like you have an alien coming out of your back. It's not really great.

• 32:40Kylie Kelce?

  She was kidding.

• 32:40Speaker 05

  She was not kidding.

• 32:41Kylie Kelce?

  She told me earlier, she was kidding.

• 32:42Speaker 05

  Multiple people said the same thing. And they did not discuss it with each other.

• 32:47Kylie Kelce?

  If you have not seen this video, it's unbelievably impressive.

• 32:51Speaker 05

  Oh, well, thank you. So skiing is a sport that's like very, very, it's very clawed and back dominant. So that's part of it, right? But also I was, we were going through this, my physical therapist. Has noticed this when we, when we're like talking on the table and if I chuckle or laugh, my back muscles would do this. And she'd be like, the, the way the lighting was in this room, she's like, oh, I have to take a video. And then I saw it. I was like, this is gonna go viral.

• 33:19Kylie Kelce?

  Do you have any other secret abs? Do you have like quad abs or like forearm abs? Like what's, are you just like smuggling abs all over your body?

• 33:28Kylie Kelce?

  Yes. She's just strong. She can't help it. Leave her alone.

• 33:31Speaker 05

  I know. I can like, it's impressive. I can like activate my quads really fast.

• 33:37Kylie Kelce?

  Of course you can.

• 33:40Speaker 05

  An Olympic gold medalist. It's fine.

• 33:42Kylie Kelce?

  I don't have, I don't have abs.

• 33:45Speaker 05

  Only on her back.

• 33:47Kylie Kelce?

  It's only on my back and I wish it was on my front, but you know, you gotta just pick one or the other.

• 33:53Kylie Kelce?

  So I mentioned at the top, but this conversation has been years in the making because my husband originally told the now, are we calling it famous? Okay. Famous story of my first time skiing on the other podcast back in 2023.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  Oh my gosh. Yeah. No, I remember when this and you guys are like, yeah, there's this skier girl. She could teach you.

• 34:17Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 34:22Kylie Kelce?

  So very important that we get some clarity on this. The other podcast tweeted out the clip of the story and, and you quoted it with, I might know someone who could teach Kylie.

• 34:33Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 34:33Kylie Kelce?

  So let's start here.

• 34:35Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 34:35Kylie Kelce?

  To clarify, you did mean yourself, right? You weren't like offering me up to one of your coaches?

• 34:40Speaker 05

  Well, actually my mom would probably be better at teaching you. So my mom is like my first coach, but she's also still my coach, one of, one of my coaches. She's a better teacher. Like she'll be, she'll have you at like, we, my brother and I joke that she can teach you how to ski world cup ski racing in like a single run down the slope. Like she'll have you feeling confident. I.

• 35:09Speaker 05

  I would like probably take a little bit joy in watching you fall, just like a little bit.

• 35:14Kylie Kelce?

  Great news, I fall a lot.

• 35:15Speaker 05

  Like, just, but not like, not, I don't want you to get hurt, obviously.

• 35:18Kylie Kelce?

  No, no, no, no, no. I have a fat ass to fall on, we're fine. We're fine.

• 35:24Speaker 05

  I don't know if I would get you very far, she would get you farther, but I would definitely.

• 35:29Kylie Kelce?

  We'd have fun doing it.

• 35:31Speaker 05

  We'd have fun doing it.

• 35:32Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, maybe we'll bring mom, just in case.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  An espresso martini.

• 35:36Kylie Kelce?

  And an espresso martini.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  For the bottom, for the.

• 35:40Kylie Kelce?

  For the apprize.

• 35:41Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 35:43Kylie Kelce?

  Does this offer still stand?

• 35:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 35:46Kylie Kelce?

  So we're gonna do this?

• 35:47Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 35:47Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, and you're bringing mom?

• 35:48Speaker 05

  I, yes.

• 35:49Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, thank you.

• 35:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, she'll make sure that you're actually good.

• 35:52Kylie Kelce?

  Where are we gonna go skiing? I will say, I did ask Breezy if she could give me some pointers too, so maybe we just.

• 35:57Speaker 05

  Maybe we do like.

• 35:58Kylie Kelce?

  Maybe we just.

• 35:59Speaker 05

  Do a group. It's better in a group, I think. People say like no friends on a powder day, but I just think the more friends, the better. I don't think I've ever skied alone in my life, so.

• 36:09Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, I'm so sorry, on a powder day?

• 36:12Speaker 05

  On a powder day. Oh, um, when there's lots of snow and it's fluffy.

• 36:17Kylie Kelce?

  Great.

• 36:18Speaker 05

  So like a powder day skiing.

• 36:20Kylie Kelce?

  So let's get Breezy out there, let's get, let's get a bunch of us. Let's do it. I will pizza my whole way down.

• 36:27Speaker 05

  No, you won't, I'm telling you, my mom will have you in french fries so fast.

• 36:32Kylie Kelce?

  You should see me first.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  Not the french fries here, cuz those are like chunky, but like normal french fries, like.

• 36:39Kylie Kelce?

  Good, straight french fries.

• 36:40Speaker 05

  Good, long, straight french fries.

• 36:42Kylie Kelce?

  I really think you should get eyes on this before we start getting ideas.

• 36:47Speaker 05

  I am telling you, I, I've seen her do it. She will go up to strangers on the mountain who seem like they're struggling and falling every turn, and she will like take five minutes, give them pointers, and by the end of the run, they're carving. I'm, I kid you not.

• 37:04Kylie Kelce?

  Carving is doing well.

• 37:05Speaker 05

  Carving is when you are slow, like sliding the skis is when you're like pushing your tails out and you're sort of slowing yourself down and you're creating friction with the snow and carving is when you're basically, like if you think of railroad tracks, we say railroad tracks in the snow where you see your skis are like creating these nice clean divots in the snow. That's carving, which is good.

• 37:26Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 37:27Speaker 05

  Carving is good.

• 37:28Kylie Kelce?

  And we'll do a little serpentine down.

• 37:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, and you don't, like you'll be able to control your speed.

• 37:33Kylie Kelce?

  Great.

• 37:34Speaker 05

  You'll know how to stop.

• 37:35Kylie Kelce?

  Let's do that.

• 37:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, I'm.

• 37:36Kylie Kelce?

  I feel good about this.

• 37:38Speaker 05

  You're gonna love it.

• 37:39Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, we're going.

• 37:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:41Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, I tried snowboarding and fell on my ass multiple times. Um, but like I said, I was fine. And, uh, I, I just feel more confident with independent feet.

• 38:01Kylie Kelce?

  Independent feet feels better.

• 38:03Speaker 05

  Do you do any water sports?

• 38:04Kylie Kelce?

  No. Oh, I get it. Okay. Cause I said winter sport dumb. Turns out I'm water sport dumb too. So don't go there.

• 38:12Speaker 05

  Okay. So all kinds of water.

• 38:14Kylie Kelce?

  Like give me.

• 38:15Speaker 05

  Rollerblade or skateboard or scooter? Have you scootered? You know, like as a five year old?

• 38:24Kylie Kelce?

  As a five year old?

• 38:24Speaker 05

  What have you done?

• 38:26Kylie Kelce?

  Field hockey and, um, I am.

• 38:29Speaker 05

  Definitely independent feet.

• 38:30Kylie Kelce?

  Field hockey is so, okay.

• 38:32Speaker 05

  Let me tell you. Also, my mom played field hockey. Oh, you're gonna be so, you're gonna be such a skier.

• 38:36Kylie Kelce?

  This is so perfect.

• 38:37Speaker 05

  Sorry, I'm hooking you up with my mom. I will be there. I'll just be like such a good cheerleader.

• 38:43Kylie Kelce?

  I believe in you.

• 38:45Speaker 05

  You're doing so, so well. Oh my gosh.

• 38:48Kylie Kelce?

  I do sports that are on a field.

• 38:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. So independent.

• 38:53Kylie Kelce?

  Team sports.

• 38:55Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 38:56Kylie Kelce?

  On a field.

• 38:57Speaker 05

  That's really impressive.

• 38:58Kylie Kelce?

  Honestly, the idea that you go out there and you're independently like, I'm gonna go down this mountain. I'm gonna fuck shit up on the way and I'm gonna win. And you do it by, like it's up to you. And I know you're, you keep referencing your team and I know like behind the scenes and all of that, but like the idea of.

• 39:17Speaker 05

  It came, the start can be a lonely place.

• 39:19Kylie Kelce?

  Competing independently is like a whole nother beast. Because when you play team sports and you get to go out there on a field together. And if one person makes a mistake, like I always, I always coach up my goalies.

• 39:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:33Kylie Kelce?

  When they get down on themselves about letting something in, I'm like, it got through 10 people to get to you.

• 39:37Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:38Kylie Kelce?

  And that's sort of like the team mentality. Yes, yes. It's like that, uh, it's like contagious play can be both bad or good. You hope it's good, but like that's what team sports are.

• 39:47Speaker 05

  Well, it's funny because um, I think the mentality is like usually in the course of my career, when I've, when I've performed or I've skied the best, it's when I actually take that same kind of team mentality, like, with my coaches and with the staff that I feel, and in the solemn race here, I felt them with me. I really, really did. Like that was crazy. Um, and when I felt alone, that's usually when things go a little bit awry. So it's funny how it works. Like you do all this work together and yes, for in ski racing, we're standing in the start alone. Kind of actually my physical therapist and ski technicians, they're right there too, but you, you know, you're facing forward.

• 40:28Kylie Kelce?

  It's you and the mountain.

• 40:28Speaker 05

  You're you and, yeah, you and the mountain. And in the solemn race, I had seen um, the girl before me, she had DNF'd. And she was standing, it was like in the first, DNF is did not finish.

• 40:39Kylie Kelce?

  Thank you so much.

• 40:40Speaker 05

  I don't, I'm so sorry. No, that I don't know. That's really annoying. Like I'm being really annoying.

• 40:45Kylie Kelce?

  No, you're not at all. It's, I should know at least some of these.

• 40:48Speaker 05

  You shouldn't know.

• 40:48Kylie Kelce?

  I should be able to get to do not finish.

• 40:50Speaker 05

  No, no, no, no.

• 40:52Kylie Kelce?

  Well, probably.

• 40:53Speaker 05

  There's no reason why you should know that.

• 40:54Kylie Kelce?

  I should probably be able to get there though. Context clues.

• 40:58Speaker 05

  I don't, I can't figure out any acronyms that anybody says these days. I can't figure anything out. So you shouldn't know that.

• 41:04Kylie Kelce?

  I should have let you go and then done context clues. Go ahead. Winter sport dumb. Here we are.

• 41:08Speaker 05

  She did not, she did not finish.

• 41:11Kylie Kelce?

  Yep, she didn't.

• 41:11Speaker 05

  But she, so she went out of the course in somewhere in the first two gates. Which is like on top of everything else, we're gonna, we're gonna ski this whole course and we're looking at the whole mountain and we gotta just kind of put all of that together and somehow get to the finish. Not somehow, I mean, I do this every day, but still it's like, sometimes it feels a little bit miraculous to make it to the end of the course. And she had gone out in the first gate. I was like, oh, on top of everything else, I like can't. Fuck up the first gate also.

• 41:39Kylie Kelce?

  Sure.

• 41:40Speaker 05

  But don't forget the start, you know? Like, we've got to do the doing of it.

• 41:45Kylie Kelce?

  Don't get ahead of yourself.

• 41:45Speaker 05

  Don't forget the start as well. Yeah, it can feel kind of isolating, but I think the mentality is like when you, when you feel the work you've done with everybody surrounding you and that village that has actually helped you get there. And when I feel really open to that, then that's usually when my best, um, when my best game comes out.

• 42:06Kylie Kelce?

  And when you are going, is there a point where you start to, can you feel it? Like, I asked Breezy a similar question of like, do you feel it? Like, is there a moment where you're like, oh, this just feels

• 42:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:19Kylie Kelce?

  like the flow is good?

• 42:20Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:20Kylie Kelce?

  Or that you feel fully connected? Or like, is there a point where you're like, oh, this is going well? Or is it just the whole way? You're just like, do it, do it, do it, do it.

• 42:30Speaker 05

  Oh, gosh, that is actually such a good question. Um, I think it's kind of both. It is like, uh, you never know how it's gonna turn out while you're skiing. But I do have, I have like, particularly in Solom right now, I have a level of skiing. There's like sort of two categories and one is like very fast skiing, on par with all the best in the world. Um, can win, might not. And then there's a level that I've felt this season in particular. And that's even evolved from other years. Where like if I have these couple key pieces,

• 43:14Speaker 05

  it's, I think it's the fastest Solom skiing that exists right now. Um, doing that is just really, really hard. And it requires so much like, I, in, in these two runs, um, of the Solom here, I felt like there were probably four different points on the course where I was not going to make the next gate. Like, I wasn't going to be able to finish the course. And I felt so on the limit, not, not really like disastrous, but just.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  You know, if you talk about Beijing, where I DNFed multiple times and that's not something.

• 43:55Kylie Kelce?

  She did not finish.

• 43:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 43:56Kylie Kelce?

  Just. Cause I know what I'm talking about.

• 43:59Speaker 05

  So we we we created the we gave the definition and now we're using it in context. So this will likely stick.

• 44:05Kylie Kelce?

  The listeners know, cause I know, but you might not know.

• 44:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I was just, I don't know, I was, I, you know how close you are to sort of not finishing? And like, there's, there's glory, there's a triumph, there's the most amazing success. And then right three centimeters to the other side is like disaster and critical headlines. And all of the and heartbreak and all of the other sides of it. And I guess that's maybe sport as a whole. It's there's some way to relate that to every single sport. But it is just like, you need to be willing to risk that it's not going to work out in order to have a shot for it working out.

• 44:53Kylie Kelce?

  That's so bad.

• 44:56Kylie Kelce?

  Now, I'd love to do a segment with you that we do pretty much every episode. It's called Doom Scroll the Week. It's basically, I like to scroll.

• 45:04Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 45:04Kylie Kelce?

  When I get in bed and my children are asleep.

• 45:06Speaker 05

  For you, this was supposed to be in the beginning.

• 45:08Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, is it a goat?

• 45:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 45:11Kylie Kelce?

  Cause you're the goat. I wanted to get out of the package so that we can see it. We'll get a, we'll get a tight shot of it at the end, but it's, I want to make sure that the, it's a goat. Cause she's a goat.

• 45:24Kylie Kelce?

  Makes sense. Okay, so Doom Scroll the Week is because I love to doom scroll. At night, it's, I enjoy it because when I put my kids to bed, that's how I turn my brain off. And so.

• 45:35Speaker 05

  I feel like none of your doom scrolling is actually doom scrolling, though.

• 45:38Kylie Kelce?

  Well, it's just, I'll just, all day. Those, totally, yeah. You know, if you doom scroll hard enough, you can actually watch whole episodes of shows on TikTok.

• 45:48Speaker 05

  I have done that.

• 45:49Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 45:51Kylie Kelce?

  I feel like we might TikTok the same way.

• 45:54Speaker 05

  Oh, well, I.

• 45:55Kylie Kelce?

  Do you go in the comments?

• 45:57Speaker 05

  Not, so I don't actually have TikTok on my phone.

• 46:00Kylie Kelce?

  Oh.

• 46:00Speaker 05

  Um, but Instagram.

• 46:02Kylie Kelce?

  Okay, well, I will tell you TikTok comments. I'll tell you, they, they give like, um, kind of like Reddit vibes where like Reddit is unmatched in the comments on threads. So just if you ever have, you know, all that free time you have.

• 46:18Speaker 05

  Go into the comments.

• 46:19Kylie Kelce?

  Please.

• 46:19Speaker 05

  As long as it's not about yourself.

• 46:21Kylie Kelce?

  No, no, no, don't do that. That would be ridiculous. We don't do that around here.

• 46:27Speaker 05

  But we love doing about others. Oh, yeah.

• 46:28Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 46:29Speaker 05

  The best.

• 46:29Kylie Kelce?

  Let me tell you, I love a comment section. Which brings us to our first doom scroll.

• 46:35Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 46:35Kylie Kelce?

  This is doom scroll, Mikaela Schiffer in addition. The first doom scroll here is actually a tweet that went viral as of literally yesterday.

• 46:43Speaker 05

  Oh, fun.

• 46:44Kylie Kelce?

  Apparently people on the internet think we look alike.

• 46:47Speaker 05

  That is such a compliment.

• 46:49Kylie Kelce?

  You are holding up the American flag and it says where she belongs to win her Olympics. It's a photo of you winning your gold medal. And the person said, I thought Kylie Kelce was having another adventure for a second. And I've never been more flattered.

• 47:04Speaker 05

  Well, same, but should we ask Jason?

• 47:08Kylie Kelce?

  Jason?

• 47:09Speaker 04

  I mean, you got some great back abs, Kylie.

• 47:13Speaker 05

  That was super.

• 47:14Kylie Kelce?

  He's so full of shit.

• 47:18Kylie Kelce?

  This is actually, this is, have you seen this that we, that people have said that I look like you? This is very exciting.

• 47:26Speaker 05

  This is the first time I've seen that.

• 47:28Kylie Kelce?

  This is exciting for me.

• 47:29Speaker 05

  But so when you, I can, like with the ponytail in particular, I think you're just so much more proportionate than I am.

• 47:40Kylie Kelce?

  I think I might have a little more height on you. How tall are you?

• 47:42Speaker 05

  You definitely have, I'm five seven.

• 47:44Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 47:45Speaker 05

  You're taller.

• 47:45Kylie Kelce?

  I got four inches.

• 47:47Speaker 05

  You have a much better skin tone.

• 47:51Speaker 05

  I also like the color of your eyes a lot better.

• 47:55Kylie Kelce?

  I will say this.

• 47:55Speaker 05

  Smile.

• 47:59Speaker 05

  So I think my character in your smile.

• 48:02Kylie Kelce?

  I think that this is the most flattering I've ever been to be compared to someone and that I think.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  Should we just compare our faces?

• 48:09Kylie Kelce?

  I think we should just start rolling with like, we're siblings.

• 48:13Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 48:14Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. How many siblings do you have?

• 48:17Speaker 05

  One. Oh my God, I fucking forgot. My, I forgot.

• 48:22Kylie Kelce?

  You said it's a brother.

• 48:23Speaker 05

  Well, I have a brother. It's a, it is a brother.

• 48:26Kylie Kelce?

  It's a boy.

• 48:26Speaker 05

  It's a boy. I have a brother.

• 48:29Kylie Kelce?

  Is he older or younger?

• 48:30Speaker 05

  He's older. His name is Taylor and he is actually having his first baby in the next month.

• 48:36Kylie Kelce?

  What is it?

• 48:37Speaker 05

  It's a girl.

• 48:38Kylie Kelce?

  I said it. What is it?

• 48:40Speaker 05

  It is a girl.

• 48:41Kylie Kelce?

  It is a, I'm biased, but that's great. I truly believe that aunts, uncles and grandparents have it the absolute best.

• 48:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, because you can just give them back.

• 48:51Kylie Kelce?

  That's it. That's the key. That's the key. When they're smelly, when they scream. I have a sister, one sister who's older.

• 48:57Speaker 05

  She have?

• 48:58Kylie Kelce?

  She has three kids.

• 48:59Speaker 05

  Okay, so yeah.

• 49:01Kylie Kelce?

  I get to live the aunt life.

• 49:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 49:02Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, it's great.

• 49:03Speaker 05

  But then you also have kids. So you're like, you take this back and I'm gonna go get mine.

• 49:08Kylie Kelce?

  It's great because I can be like spoil, spoil, spoil. And then when my kids are like, why are you not, why you give it to them but not to us? I'm like.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  Because.

• 49:16Kylie Kelce?

  Because I can.

• 49:17Speaker 05

  It's their job to give it to you, like.

• 49:19Kylie Kelce?

  Because I can.

• 49:19Speaker 05

  We don't cross hairs there.

• 49:20Kylie Kelce?

  That's it.

• 49:21Speaker 05

  What's your favorite thing to spoil?

• 49:23Kylie Kelce?

  I mean, they're still very young, so like a sweet treat's great. Sweet treat works well. Um, I just lean into like.

• 49:29Speaker 05

  Clothes?

• 49:31Kylie Kelce?

  You can, you can, but like that's more, that's more of like a mom gift. That's more a favorite to mom.

• 49:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's fair. I'm worried I'm gonna be a little bit overbearing and my sis Christie, she's gonna be like, so you need to back off.

• 49:44Kylie Kelce?

  Does she have sisters?

• 49:46Speaker 05

  She has a brother.

• 49:47Kylie Kelce?

  Oh.

• 49:48Speaker 05

  And they're just, yeah.

• 49:50Kylie Kelce?

  Then you can tag in.

• 49:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, they're the best. It's amazing that I, I'm so excited, but.

• 49:55Kylie Kelce?

  That's so nice.

• 49:56Speaker 05

  It's easy for me to be excited. I know it's nerve wracking. They live in Denver, so they're like two hours away.

• 50:02Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 50:02Speaker 05

  So. Pretty easy to get there.

• 50:05Kylie Kelce?

  After we're done, I'll tell you about what I pack up for a postpartum mom so that you can consider it because I feel very strongly about this.

• 50:12Speaker 05

  I would love some advice.

• 50:14Kylie Kelce?

  Great. We're gonna talk about it in our postpartum episode in March, so you gotta wait until then. So, Mikaela gets it first. Also, I would like to point out that you have your podcast, What's the Point? So you, you're very much in the podcast game. So if we look this much alike, according to the internet.

• 50:32Speaker 05

  Slightly much.

• 50:33Kylie Kelce?

  Should we just swap spots?

• 50:35Speaker 05

  Swap podcasts?

• 50:36Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah. Can I, can I host What's the Point?

• 50:39Speaker 05

  Um, okay, I don't know if this is a fair trade. You.

• 50:43Kylie Kelce?

  I feel like this is, I feel like I'm asking a lot.

• 50:46Speaker 05

  No. Yes, you can. We've only done like six episodes so far.

• 50:50Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect.

• 50:51Speaker 05

  It is, wait, seriously?

• 50:53Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, why not?

• 50:54Speaker 05

  That.

• 50:57Speaker 05

  I'm just, I'm like such a, oh, what would you call somebody who has no idea what they're doing?

• 51:04Kylie Kelce?

  An unprofessional professional, because that's me.

• 51:08Kylie Kelce?

  This is perfect.

• 51:10Speaker 05

  Um, I don't think, I know, but this is so cool to be here because now that I've started to try, it's been like, whoo, how do you know how to, hosting conversations is hard.

• 51:22Kylie Kelce?

  It is.

• 51:24Speaker 05

  And you do a really good job of it.

• 51:25Kylie Kelce?

  That's so kind of you. Queen Emma writes me a pretty good rundown that you can see I'm trying to be like, let me stay slightly on track.

• 51:32Speaker 05

  Well, but it's like, then you, you.

• 51:35Kylie Kelce?

  Also, I just wanna, like, I just wanna talk to the, like, the people we have on.

• 51:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:39Kylie Kelce?

  I truly just wanna talk to, like, I just wanna pick their brains and I wanna learn from them and I wanna get to speak to them and know them better and that really, that helps.

• 51:48Speaker 05

  Are you good at having conversations, just like, outside of this, like, just in life? Are you social?

• 51:57Speaker 05

  Okay, because I'm not.

• 51:58Kylie Kelce?

  Queenam is giving me a thumbs up.

• 52:00Speaker 05

  Yes, okay.

• 52:00Kylie Kelce?

  So I'm the type of person, like, in the moment, I would like, when I start talking to people, I love it. I want to talk to them. I want to know about their things. I want to give them my undivided attention. I want to know their name and I want to be able to say hi to them later.

• 52:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 52:15Kylie Kelce?

  But then afterwards, I'm like.

• 52:18Speaker 05

  That was really, yeah, okay. Like, the ambivert or omnivert or whatever it is.

• 52:22Kylie Kelce?

  Whatever that is, yes.

• 52:23Speaker 05

  Where it's like, love it, but it takes a lot of energy.

• 52:25Kylie Kelce?

  But also afterwards, I'm like, I need three days.

• 52:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. So would you, like, if you're in, like, a hotel breakfast environment and there's people around, I mean, I guess, kind of, maybe what you've experienced here in Milan, but, like, there's people you know.

• 52:41Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 52:41Speaker 05

  Would you, like, choose to go strike up a conversation? Or are you, like, just turn your head a little bit the other way?

• 52:49Kylie Kelce?

  A little of both.

• 52:50Speaker 05

  Okay, okay.

• 52:51Kylie Kelce?

  Would you turn your head?

• 52:52Speaker 05

  Prob- probably. Okay, let's like. Maybe not, maybe not with you. Yeah, I might, like, crawl under the table. No, it's just, like, having conversations and like.

• 53:04Kylie Kelce?

  Are hard.

• 53:05Speaker 05

  It's hard.

• 53:06Kylie Kelce?

  I will tell you, part of the this moment after having a conversation is the million things I'll be like, why the fuck did I say that?

• 53:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, I know.

• 53:18Kylie Kelce?

  Like, on a very regular basis, I will get out of a conversation and be like,

• 53:22Speaker 05

  What was I talking?

• 53:25Kylie Kelce?

  I, like, all the time. Like, I will leave this and be like, who the fuck says that?

• 53:30Speaker 05

  Who was that?

• 53:30Kylie Kelce?

  All the time, all the time.

• 53:32Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 53:33Kylie Kelce?

  And I'll think about it for, like, it's one of those days. And it will pop up, like, three months from now, I'll be like, shit, I did say that. I can't help myself.

• 53:43Speaker 05

  Do you have these, like, this has been happening right now, where there's all these random quotes, and the quotes that people decide to use from you and any, like, any public statement you've ever made, it's crazy. I'm like, I don't remember, I don't think I said that.

• 53:57Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 53:58Speaker 05

  And there's some that are

• 53:59Kylie Kelce?

  You blacked out and you're like,

• 54:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:01Kylie Kelce?

  Are you sure I said that? And then they roll the clip and they're like,

• 54:03Speaker 05

  And they use it and it's like the most powerful quote you've ever said and it's used, it's the world for like 12 years and it's this one, it's this one little quote that I said, I don't even know, I'm like, I don't think that was actually me, guys.

• 54:14Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. Uh, thank you so, so much. This has been so much fun and um,

• 54:19Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 54:20Kylie Kelce?

  You have things to do. So you're also, but if you can squeeze it in, maybe if I come to do, What's the Point?

• 54:28Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 54:29Kylie Kelce?

  And some skiing.

• 54:29Speaker 05

  Should we do, we should do like a skiing, what's the point episode?

• 54:33Kylie Kelce?

  Oh, for sure.

• 54:34Speaker 05

  Like a cheer, like a cheer, well, yeah.

• 54:36Kylie Kelce?

  Done.

• 54:37Speaker 05

  There's gonna be something amazing. But then we have to figure out what the point is.

• 54:41Kylie Kelce?

  We will.

• 54:42Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 54:42Kylie Kelce?

  Because we also like to fuck around and find out and so you fuck around to find out.

• 54:47Speaker 05

  What the point is.

• 54:48Kylie Kelce?

  You get it.

• 54:49Speaker 05

  Yup.

• 54:49Kylie Kelce?

  This seems like, I think this is like we're sisters.

• 54:52Speaker 05

  I think.

• 54:54Kylie Kelce?

  Weird.

• 54:55Speaker 05

  Weird.

• 54:55Kylie Kelce?

  This is perfect.

• 54:56Speaker 05

  Mom?

• 54:56Kylie Kelce?

  Yup.

• 54:57Speaker 05

  Did you do more work than we thought you did?

• 55:00Kylie Kelce?

  Perfect. This is great. Uh, Kindred Spirits, we, and you're gonna host NGL.

• 55:05Speaker 05

  So I was wondering, I don't wanna like assume.

• 55:08Kylie Kelce?

  No, no, it's, it's only fair.

• 55:11Speaker 05

  I mean, okay.

• 55:12Kylie Kelce?

  I can't wait for this FAFO.

• 55:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 55:15Kylie Kelce?

  I can't wait for this FAFO intro when Mikaela's like, hi, I'm Kylie Kelce.

• 55:21Kylie Kelce?

  We're here to fuck around on a ski slope. This is perfect. We'll see how long we can keep this bit going, cause up to this point, the only other person that I've been told I look like is Bo Allen and I'm gonna leave that with you, you Google it later.

• 55:33Speaker 05

  Oh no.

• 55:34Kylie Kelce?

  It's not good. Sorry, Bo. It's not good. Let me, it's a great compliment for Bo. But he also was,

• 55:42Speaker 05

  So what does that mean for me?

• 55:44Kylie Kelce?

  Well, he was, no, it means that I feel, that what, this is what I'm talking about. I feel very flattered. So it is so flattering. Oh, thank you so much. No. Oh, my gosh. They're everybody's favorite figure skating broadcasting duo, best friends, former Olympians, current traders, cast members, and perhaps most importantly of all, fellow Philly-area real ones.

• 56:05Speaker 06

  Woo!

• 56:05Kylie Kelce?

  It's Tara Lipinski and Johnny Weir. Tara and Johnny, welcome to Knockin' a Lie. Oh, my goodness. We are so excited to be here, and yes, all Philly. Fly Eagles, fly. Right? It feels very homey. It feels good. I'm I'm slightly embarrassed to admit it. I didn't realize we all had the Philly connection until a few days ago. You mentioned it when we ran into each other at breakfast, that you were South Jersey. Born in Philly, raised in South Jersey.

• 56:30Speaker 06

  Yep, and I'm from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, very rural, and I moved away for a long time, and I I live now about 30 minutes outside Philly, which is awesome. It's our area.

• 56:41Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, and all my family is still there. To be. Yeah, and you get dragged back to visit them, I'm assuming. For holidays and all the things. Yep.

• 56:48Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 56:49Kylie Kelce?

  What is the best thing to say in the Philly accent? Ooh.

• 56:53Speaker 06

  Woder.

• 56:53Kylie Kelce?

  Woder. Right?

• 56:54Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 56:55Kylie Kelce?

  I feel like it's the easiest way for people to get on board. Yeah, Woder. Especially if you spell it W-O-O-D-E-R. Right. It's easy. Trying to think what else is good.

• 57:05Speaker 06

  There's just that whole Delco accent thing where even though I've lived pretty much among it for the majority of my life, sometimes I have to squint at people to hear them better. Does that ever happen to you?

• 57:16Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 57:17Speaker 06

  I'm like, what are you talking about? Where are we now?

• 57:21Kylie Kelce?

  I do feel as though I'm deep in a Philly conversation the minute someone hits me with a use. Use, oh, use. And they use it free flowing, right? If I ever say use, it feels really choppy, but when people say it and there's still a fluidity to their sentence, I'm like, oh. Where they're like the use guys. Yes.

• 57:40Speaker 06

  And young people are using John too now.

• 57:42Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, John is big. We have Hoagie.

• 57:45Speaker 06

  Hoagie, yeah, of course.

• 57:47Kylie Kelce?

  Or Home is a big one. It's it's those those O's hit hard. John.

• 57:53Kylie Kelce?

  Some people say the Eagles.

• 57:54Speaker 06

  The Eagles.

• 57:55Speaker 07

  The Eagles.

• 57:56Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah, I think that if you spell it phonetically, that it helps other people pronounce it in our way.

• 58:02Speaker 06

  I G G L E S.

• 58:03Speaker 07

  It feels comforting, though, for me, when I hear a Philly accent or South Jersey accent, I'm like, oh, home. Home, sweet home.

• 58:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:12Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, because the South Jersey accent is nearly just as hard.

• 58:16Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 58:17Kylie Kelce?

  Yes.

• 58:18Speaker 07

  I mean.

• 58:18Kylie Kelce?

  Some slight variations, but not much.

• 58:20Speaker 07

  A little bit, yeah.

• 58:21Speaker 06

  But for our purposes, we have non-regional diction.

• 58:25Kylie Kelce?

  Beautiful speech.

• 58:28Kylie Kelce?

  Now, something else we have in common, we both have a personal connection to traders. You guys are a little closer to it, but you guys are on the show this season and crushing it, by the way.

• 58:41Speaker 06

  Thank you.

• 58:41Kylie Kelce?

  Um, and my mother-in-law Donna was also in the cast. We were just discussing it before you guys came in. I still feel a little jaded, and our listeners have listened to me say this probably one too many times at this point, but I think that her being the secret trader, she was already isolated because she wasn't involved in any other, like she didn't have a connection to anybody there. And then when she got selected as secret trader, I feel like it almost isolated her more.

• 59:09Kylie Kelce?

  And that's the easiest people to pick off at the beginning.

• 59:11Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 59:11Speaker 07

  Yes, and I, I think it's so hard to watch the show now, right?

• 59:17Kylie Kelce?

  Do you guys watch it?

• 59:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, we watch, we don't see the episodes before.

• 59:20Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 59:21Speaker 07

  We watch with everyone else.

• 59:24Kylie Kelce?

  That is so cool.

• 59:25Speaker 07

  So when you're watching it, it's such a different experience than when you were actually there. But I loved, I mean, Donna and I, we had, you know, again, I am not a game player, a strategy, like Johnny and I come from Olympic sports. So this was a completely different experience and such a wild ride. But I am pretty social, so I got in the cast and I was like, this feels like summer camp. I can't wait to meet everyone. So Donna and I had a lot of talks about kids, and she was giving me all sorts of advice. And so I have some fond memories of that.

• 59:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, I'm very socially awkward, so I'm not the best at making new friends.

• 1:00:02Kylie Kelce?

  That's why you complement each other.

• 1:00:03Speaker 06

  Yes, where I'm weak, she is strong. But Donna did such a hard job on that show. And I have to say that like so many people were afraid to go after Donna because of Swiftyland. And it like that was the conversation among everyone that was not Donna. I know. So when we all figured it out and we were all there and ready to vote for her, everyone was scared. And that was the conversation. But she was such a trooper and I think she did a really good job for the position that she was put in. But The Traitors, it's so hard. And watching it back is surreal because we lived it. We were there and you go all in because those are the people that you look forward to seeing every day. You think everyone's your friend because you're otherwise pretty isolated.

• 1:00:48Speaker 06

  So just to keep the game on camera.

• 1:00:51Speaker 07

  That was clearly my, my biggest issue with the show is like, I am friends with all of like, I cannot do this. It was such, it really messes with your mind. And then also you don't see a lot of what's happening. The roundtables are hours. I think it's a couple hours we're in there. So it's then condensed down into a few minutes of, of television. And it's so hard because then you, you miss out on, you really can see too, where the table's going of people kind of giving each other eyes and like nodding of who they're going for. And then obviously that changes, changes how everyone sort of reacts in that room. And it's just wild.

• 1:01:32Speaker 06

  Well, it's like the greatest pressure cooker and I'm so glad we got to experience it. But everyone talks about The Traitors having the advantage or The Faithful's having an advantage. The viewers have the advantage. They know everything. So we're just kind of, for me, I felt like I was just blindly wandering through the castle for the most part. So it's, it's fascinating for us to actually watch it and see the little things that maybe we should have gotten or could have gotten. And you always go back and look at the things where you could have done right.

• 1:02:01Kylie Kelce?

  Now you guys talked about sort of your unspoken connection.

• 1:02:06Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:02:06Kylie Kelce?

  Was that helpful?

• 1:02:08Speaker 07

  Yes, we were talking all day long and really never spoke a word to each other. We had that going on in the beginning and then it was like two episodes ago that

• 1:02:19Kylie Kelce?

  You guys revealed that you guys

• 1:02:21Speaker 06

  We came out.

• 1:02:24Kylie Kelce?

  I love it. That is, I mean, the fact that you guys buried the lead on that was top tier. What was everyone's, like, how did it feel to hold that back from everyone and then sort of like let everybody in?

• 1:02:37Speaker 07

  Well, when we first went in and we didn't know if this plan was gonna work, we thought we had to because of course alliances and duos, it doesn't really go over well in the castle. So we, we knew we'd get voted out very quickly because they'd want to separate us if we came in as we normally do, walking hand in hand, like down the hall. So our, our first strategy was just to really go hard in that we didn't know each other that well. Of course, we're figure skaters, but skated at different times. So I feel like a lot of the conversations, when anyone would question us, we would be like, I would be like, oh yeah, I mean, I won when I was 15. He didn't even start skating yet. So I, I know of him, obviously, but we live on different coasts.

• 1:03:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, I've worked with him. We worked together a few times. Yeah, like we come in for events. So we just really played it like that.

• 1:03:26Speaker 06

  Chill, very chill. And I think it was, it was a huge advantage, but we sat across from each other at the round table. So we could do lots of like that eye stuff and like hand signals and things like that, that we would get that nobody else would pick up on. But I, I don't think either of us are those people that just assume everyone knows who you are.

• 1:03:44Kylie Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:44Speaker 06

  I think, you know, it helps keep me sane anyway to think that I'm still just a normal person that goes about my life and there's no one that's watching me on TV or anything. And that's why I live in the country. But we never just assumed that any of the other players would know who we were. And luckily, no one really got it.

• 1:04:02Speaker 07

  Yeah. So in the beginning, we had to, because the round table switches, like everyone goes in, you're going for this person, then it starts getting crazy. So we really, you know, we'd go in with a name of who we were going for, and then it would change and Johnny'd be like,

• 1:04:16Speaker 06

  Like just looking in the direction of the person that it changed to. That's where I'm going.

• 1:04:19Kylie Kelce?

  You're like, hey, you see what they put down? That's what I'm putting down. Oh, I love it.

• 1:04:24Speaker 07

  And then the, when we did decide to have our, you know, quote unquote, reveal, we were, we thought we were really going out. So I feel like we thought, let's just

• 1:04:33Speaker 06

  Let's just do it.

• 1:04:34Speaker 07

  Do it.

• 1:04:35Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:04:35Kylie Kelce?

  Nothing to lose.

• 1:04:36Speaker 06

  Thelma and Louise.

• 1:04:37Kylie Kelce?

  Oh gosh, that's so good. Did you guys ever question whether or not one of you was a traitor?

• 1:04:42Speaker 07

  Never.

• 1:04:42Speaker 06

  We would know immediately.

• 1:04:43Speaker 07

  Immediately.

• 1:04:44Kylie Kelce?

  Do you think?

• 1:04:45Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:04:45Speaker 07

  Yes. And also, we had a plan too. If one of us was a traitor, I think a lot of people, I'll see it every once in a while, they'll be like, "Oh, I would have loved to see if one of them was a traitor and then they had to turn or lie."

• 1:04:56Kylie Kelce?

  I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have. That would have made me so upset.

• 1:05:00Speaker 07

  There's just no way. I mean, we would have protected each other till the end and then whoever won, won and we just, we kind of would have won together.

• 1:05:09Kylie Kelce?

  Right, celebrate the other person who won.

• 1:05:11Speaker 07

  If I was a traitor, I would do everything in my power that Johnny's name wouldn't end up. And probably if it did, I'd probably give myself up. I'd be like, well, I'm,

• 1:05:21Speaker 06

  Yeah, same.

• 1:05:22Speaker 07

  I'm done.

• 1:05:22Speaker 06

  Same.

• 1:05:23Kylie Kelce?

  We were talking about this in one of our car rides last night and this is exactly, I was like, I think you just like, if you go in with your best friend, you have to just commit to,

• 1:05:30Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:31Kylie Kelce?

  almost like prioritizing their success.

• 1:05:34Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:05:34Kylie Kelce?

  And then as long as they're successful, you're both successful.

• 1:05:37Speaker 07

  Right, right.

• 1:05:38Kylie Kelce?

  I feel good about this.

• 1:05:38Speaker 06

  And I think, I think it shook a lot of,

• 1:05:40Kylie Kelce?

  We're on the same page. Thank you guys.

• 1:05:41Speaker 06

  It shook a lot of people up because I think, you know, I don't think I know that everyone went in there to play a game and they were all in it. As an individual. And we were there to play our game. So we were playing a slightly different version of the traitors than everyone else. And while that's not the smartest gameplay, we've done remarkably well.

• 1:06:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, we honestly. And I mean, for me, at this point in my life, I, I'm not into competition, competition, you know, like I'm just like,

• 1:06:12Kylie Kelce?

  Been there, done it?

• 1:06:13Speaker 07

  I just, yeah. I needed to be with my best friend in the castle and it wasn't a me thing, it was an us thing.

• 1:06:20Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:20Speaker 07

  And we were just gonna go down together.

• 1:06:23Kylie Kelce?

  That's so perfect. I can't, I can't wait to watch the end of the season. Bringing it back around to figure skating, I don't know if you guys saw this viral tweet. This is kind of the charm of traitors. It says, "Work will have you in friend groups like that." And it is a photo of Martha Stewart, Snoop and Ilya all together.

• 1:06:42Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:06:43Speaker 07

  We met, well, I hadn't met Martha or Snoop before, so we were able to meet them at figure skating the other night and it was very fun. Snoop just dances all the time, which, you know, brings up the mood and Martha was so sweet.

• 1:06:59Speaker 06

  Just such a queen.

• 1:07:00Kylie Kelce?

  They're such a lovely pair.

• 1:07:02Speaker 06

  Yeah, they are.

• 1:07:03Kylie Kelce?

  It's delightful. It's unexpected and I like it.

• 1:07:06Speaker 07

  Yeah, I like it.

• 1:07:06Speaker 06

  It's fun. And what I love about the Olympics overall, like as a, as a movement. I mean, obviously, we've lived our entire lives for the Olympics versus athletes and now as broadcasters, is that it has that special quality that's so rare in modern times to bring the world together and to bring people

• 1:07:22Kylie Kelce?

  So unifying.

• 1:07:22Speaker 06

  together. And it's so unifying that I think it's, it's so special because it's the only thing that really does that in the world.

• 1:07:29Kylie Kelce?

  It honestly, I, I feel so privileged to get to come and be a spectator of the Olympics because there really is nothing like it. When you step into one of the stadiums and even though countries are competing against each other, some people in the stands don't even have their country represented or you're sitting next to someone whose country is competing against the US and you're still sitting there sort of chit chatting, sort of shooting the shit or poking fun. But it is, you can cheer for the good storylines. You can cheer for like the people who are just absolutely crushing it. A great performance in figure skating. It doesn't matter the country. I was like.

• 1:08:12Speaker 07

  Well, I think the greatest thing about the Olympics to me is everyone's personal journey. When I am up there commentating, I feel like I see this mini movie unfolding. And, you know, it's always starting with a little kid that is just like stepping on the ice or the mountain, whatever it is of I want to become an Olympian one day and just having this big dream as, as a little one. And then, you know, everyone around you, parents, family, coaches, you know, every single day sacrificing and working and training. And there's just something about decades of work like that and, and, and a team behind you and your family. And then they have this moment to shine.

• 1:08:53Speaker 07

  And whether it goes perfectly or not, it, I have goosebumps every time. It's just, it's the best thing about the Olympics. It's, it's so heartwarming.

• 1:09:03Kylie Kelce?

  Well, the cool thing is, is that now you guys get to be a part of that storytelling, that you guys get to sort of not only help people understand what they're watching. But then also make sure that they understand the gravity of the situation for this particular competitor.

• 1:09:19Speaker 07

  Well, yeah, and every competitor is different. You know, obviously, you're always thinking of a medal and Team USA and the podium. But for me, it's the moments and the performances where it isn't about that. And the skater just skated the best program of their life and they're touching Olympic ice and kissing it and crying and, you know, joy, you know, just joy and tears. And for me, it's knowing what that that particular skater went through to get to this moment, to even just step on Olympic ice.

• 1:09:48Speaker 06

  It's a huge responsibility for us that we take very seriously in telling the stories of all of the athletes that we talk about. Because these niche sports that are in the Olympics, they don't have a game every weekend where they can say their piece. They they don't have the opportunities that a lot of the big sports around the world have. So this is their one opportunity for the world to see them and root for them. So as their voices, as it were, it's really important for us to know the facts, to know the stories, and to be able to deliver them in a way that we're not talking over an entire performance. And it's it's something that we cherish, that that position, to be able to be a voice for people.

• 1:10:27Kylie Kelce?

  Well, it's also it's it's cool in telling those stories. And like you said, those moments where people are competing, not necessarily going to place or medal. Or I think Amber is a great example of that. Her execution last night was insane. And to know what happened in the short program, short program?

• 1:10:50Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:10:51Kylie Kelce?

  Short, right? Okay. But in short program, there were some some speed bumps.

• 1:10:57Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 1:10:57Kylie Kelce?

  And last night was flawless.

• 1:11:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:11:01Kylie Kelce?

  And to score so high, obviously with such a large deficit ahead of the free skate last night.

• 1:11:09Kylie Kelce?

  But she still came out there and said, I'm not gonna lay down and pretend like I'm just letting the buzzards pick me, right? I'm gonna go out there, I'm gonna fight my ass off.

• 1:11:18Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:11:18Kylie Kelce?

  And she did.

• 1:11:19Speaker 07

  She did. She was so brilliant. I mean, she was one of two skaters in the entire event trying a triple axel, and it was the best triple axel I've ever seen. And just knowing that she had that disappointment in the short program and then to come back and block out all the noise, and not only for Team USA, but I mean, like you said, she was at the top of the leaderboard for so long because of what she laid down, but also just her journey to get here. She is the definition of perseverance. So this story for me was, she did it for herself. She was out there skating the Olympic program of a lifetime, and I, I had chills, I couldn't have been happier for her.

• 1:12:01Kylie Kelce?

  The fist bump at the end was like, like the fist pump was so fulfilling. It felt like she like let us all into like that moment of like, yes.

• 1:12:09Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:12:09Kylie Kelce?

  It was, oh god, it was so good. Jayce and I were lucky enough to go to the women's short program, figure skating the other night, and we watched, then we got to watch Alyssa last night on TV, but still very exciting. Forgive me for this basic question, but what makes Alyssa so fucking good?

• 1:12:30Speaker 06

  I think the fact that she's put down all of the pressure that most athletes feel, and it's a rare talent that she has to be able to do that, and it's something that I don't even completely understand. She is so herself on the ice, and her performances are for her and to display her art to the world, and that's a really rare mindset for a figure skater, because our whole lives are judged, and everything we've ever done on the giant ice cube that we live on is judged, and there are strangers that are in charge of your entire future. They tell you if you're good enough or not, and it's a really hard place to be, because you want to be yourself, but at the same time, you want to please judges, so that you win the medals and have the glory and all of that stuff.

• 1:13:14Speaker 06

  And somehow, she has just put it all down. And I absolutely love that about her performances, because it just makes you feel like you're a part of her world, and she's not going to curve for anyone.

• 1:13:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's what I love. It there's no filter. She is doing it the way she wants to do it. And watching her skate last night, you know, the joy and the smile. It was it was one of the best Olympic gold medal skates I have ever seen.

• 1:13:43Kylie Kelce?

  I will say they're watching, um, we watched a decent amount of figure skating the other night at the a short program. And again, as being a winter sport dumb person, bear with me on this, but I really felt like after watching so many people who were so technically sound, it seemed, but almost like crisp in a technical way. To watch Alyssa and the fluidity that she has and the way that she it's almost like you can feel that she's being artistic with her performance. It is such a pleasure to watch. Like, it really looks like she is enjoying herself while she's performing.

• 1:14:25Speaker 07

  She's one hundred percent enjoying herself. And that's really hard. When you get to an Olympic Games, you have four minutes to prove yourself and it could change the trajectory of your life. So there's a lot of pressure there. So to be able to put that aside and remember why you love what you do and then show it to an audience, that is a special talent and that's what she delivers so well. And she is just so authentically herself. So I feel like that's why she had an advantage over everyone else there to be able to go out there and skate like there wasn't pressure and have that freedom because that's what that's what an Olympic skate is.

• 1:15:01Kylie Kelce?

  Now, you mentioned the four-year gap between Olympics. And I think it's so important to acknowledge that because it really is, especially if you're winter sports, unlike me. You watch it and you're so invested while the Olympics are happening. How can we bridge that gap? How can we bridge that four-year gap? And scratch the itch of making sure that we can still tune in to figure skating, that we're still clued into what our athletes for the US are doing and how they're faring in competition. Where do we get that?

• 1:15:31Speaker 07

  Well, I mean, I think that's our whole goal when we're commentating, especially at an Olympic Games, is to attract new viewers, people that may have never watched figure skating before, and introduce them to these incredible personalities that then they can, you know, become fans of and follow their careers, because it doesn't end after the Olympics are over. You know, there's a World Championships in a month, you know, that all of these skaters are going to, and then next year, they're on the Grand Prix circuit, and Johnny and I actually commentate every single weekend during our season. It's just, it's just up against football and sports like that.

• 1:16:05Speaker 06

  Yeah, football.

• 1:16:08Speaker 07

  Frickin' football.

• 1:16:09Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 1:16:10Kylie Kelce?

  So we, so we can tune in to these events?

• 1:16:13Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:16:13Kylie Kelce?

  And we should.

• 1:16:14Speaker 07

  Yes, you should.

• 1:16:15Kylie Kelce?

  Because now we're invested in these athletes, and Tara and Johnny are gonna tell us about them more.

• 1:16:20Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:16:21Kylie Kelce?

  And you're gonna teach us about what they're doing.

• 1:16:22Speaker 06

  Absolutely.

• 1:16:23Kylie Kelce?

  So we just need to tune into these broadcasts. You said in a month, we have World Cup?

• 1:16:27Speaker 07

  We have the World Championships in a month.

• 1:16:29Kylie Kelce?

  Okay.

• 1:16:29Speaker 07

  And then in the end of September, beginning of October, starts our skating season, all the way through March. So every single year, we, we commentate all those events on NBC.

• 1:16:39Speaker 06

  October to March. It's not every single weekend through the fall and winter, but you can follow us on social media. You can follow the skaters that you love the most from here.

• 1:16:47Speaker 07

  Perfect.

• 1:16:48Speaker 06

  And we, we always keep everyone updated with what we're doing, but our season is the same every year. The Olympics is the, the, the special event that comes up every four years for us.

• 1:16:57Kylie Kelce?

  That's such good intel. Thank you so much for that. I will be tuning in, because you never know. Sometimes football season ends unexpectedly.

• 1:17:04Speaker 07

  Right, right.

• 1:17:05Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 1:17:06Kylie Kelce?

  You might need something to do.

• 1:17:08Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:17:08Kylie Kelce?

  Or sometimes there's Thursday or Monday games.

• 1:17:11Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:17:11Kylie Kelce?

  And then you have your weekend free.

• 1:17:12Speaker 07

  Yes, tune into figure skating.

• 1:17:15Kylie Kelce?

  Wow.

• 1:17:15Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 1:17:16Kylie Kelce?

  Of course.

• 1:17:16Speaker 06

  Do you only watch the Eagles?

• 1:17:18Kylie Kelce?

  Uh, and the Chiefs.

• 1:17:20Speaker 06

  And the Chiefs.

• 1:17:22Kylie Kelce?

  Forgot about that one. Oh, and Monday Night Football.

• 1:17:26Speaker 06

  Great. Yes. Monday Night Football. Yes.

• 1:17:28Kylie Kelce?

  Yes, Monday Night Football. And that's a wrap on our Not Gonna Lie Winter Olympics Extravaganza. I hope you loved watching it as much as we all loved making it and really this entire experience. You'll be able to find even more clips from my longer conversations with Leila, Breezy, Mikaela, Tara, and Johnny on my YouTube channel on More Shit Monday. I'll be back this upcoming Thursday with a brand new episode. You're not going to believe who agreed to do the show this week because I still can't believe it. Follow us on social media at NGLwithkylie for clips throughout the week. Listen, subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Not Gonna Lie is a Wave original. Thanks again to our partners at YouTube and NBC and of course, thanks to the real ones for tuning in.