UNYIELDING: Michael Chandler on Success and Mental Toughness

Get ready for an electrifying journey as we dive deep into the heart and mind of one of the most dynamic fighters in the UFC, Michael Chandler, and uncover what it really takes to create the heart of a champion! This is NOT just a SPORTS interview! It’s a masterclass on unstoppable drive and resilience, visualization and changing your mindset… I’m not exaggerating when I called a masterclass! No matter where you came from or how much of a slump you might be in, it’s time for you to THINK DIFFERENTLY! Michael went 688 days in between wins before he became an “overnight success.” It was all about his mental ability to overcome imposter syndrome, and embrace his past while FIGHTING for his future… for who he was destined to become! This power-packed episode features insights on: Michael's upcoming fight with Conor Mcgregor How to cultivate a winning mentality and prepare for whatever punches might be coming your way. Using adversity as a catalyst for growth. Battling self-doubt and embracing your true potential. Understanding the power of meticulous preparation and visualization techniques in achieving success. The importance of continuous improvement and resilience in your personal development journey. Whether you're a fight fan or simply seeking inspiration to elevate your life, this episode is packed with invaluable lessons on grit, preparation, and achieving excellence. Join us for a conversation that promises to transform your approach to success, right here on today's show. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 2:05Ed Mylett?

  This is The End Myron Show.

• 2:09Ed Mylett?

  All right, welcome back to the show, everybody. So my guest today is Michael Chandler. He's like a son to me, and he is scheduled to fight Conor McGregor on June 29. He doesn't know this, but I'm recording this intro just in case. I have a suspicion Conor McGregor doesn't want to fight my dude. And so I'm recording this introduction beforehand, just in case there's a cancellation. So when I do the interview today, we're going to talk about that fight, but we're going to talk in general more about success, mindset, achievement, pressure, all the things that come with being in a big fight, not just the fight itself, because I have a suspicion McGregor wants nothing to do with my dude. And so this is an intro I'm doing right before Michael jumps on. He won't even know I'm doing it, because I don't want him to know right now. I think that

• 2:49Ed Mylett?

  maybe Conor won't show up. But I think Conor might not show up. So this is the intro I'm doing before he gets here. And if Conor doesn't show up, I knew you didn't want to fight my dude, brother. That's why I'm doing this intro on June 12, way before the fight, knowing you ain't going to show up. All right, here we go. Here's me and Michael Chandler. Quick update, everybody. Hey, everybody. So just got the word 30 seconds ago, just got off the boat to the news that Conor McGregor has backed out of the fight. As I suspected, you heard in the previous introduction there, I just had a feeling Conor's claiming that he's got an injury, and you never want to question a man when he says he's injured, so we'll take him at his word on that. Fortunately, I had a feeling this was going to happen. And so the interview you're about to see is not really about the fight. It's more about mindset. It's actually one of the best interviews I've ever

• 3:32Ed Mylett?

  done on mindset, the winner's mindset, overcoming setbacks, imposter syndrome, preparation, visualization, the reticular activating system. It's an incredible interview. There's even a surprise from another four-time world champion in boxing that I bring in. I surprised Michael in the interview. You're going to love that. And really, the only question that I ask about the fight is the first question, and even that, I phrase it in such a way that you can hear how to get yourself to believe you're going to win and what you need to do. I've been honored to be working with Michael on his mental game for this fight. And so you'll hear a little bit about how that works as well. Even the first question seems about the fight, but it's really about getting yourself to believe. Enjoy. Max out. Welcome back to the show, everybody. So the young man I'm going to introduce to you is, he's like a second son to me. I'm honored when he calls me dad.

• 4:18Ed Mylett?

  He's one of the greatest fighters in the world in the UFC. But he's really one of the greatest people that I've ever met. I love him dearly. He's a good man. He knows how to be successful. And so tonight, the podcast is really about two things for those of you listening. We're going to talk about this huge fight he's upcoming on June 29th with Conor McGregor. We're going to talk about that fight. But for those of you that aren't fight fans, we're going to spend the majority of the podcast, not just talking about that fight, but talking about winning, preparing, mindset, preparation. And so if you're a fight fan, this is an exclusive peek into this fight. And if you're not a fight fan, it's not going to matter because we're going to talk all the time, as we always do on the show, about things you can take notes on and apply to your own life. So June 29th,

• 5:03Ed Mylett?

  the great Michael Chandler, Conor McGregor, my guest today is my son from another, I don't know, you say son from another mother, is that right? I guess so. I don't know.

• 5:14Ed Mylett?

  Michael, welcome to the show.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  What's up dad? Man, it's a, thank you for the kind intro. You're, you are the man.

• 5:20Ed Mylett?

  Yeah. So how are you, the update, everybody? How are you feeling?

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Man, I'm feeling good. I mean, as the, as we sit here today, we are 18 days away from the fight. So um, it's, it's nice when all the hay is in the barn, so to speak. I mean, we've, you know, we've still got a little bit of training left, but it's kind of most of the hard stuff is behind us. Feeling great, feeling phenomenal, feeling a little dangerous and ready to go out there and compete.

• 5:43Ed Mylett?

  Why are you going to win the fight?

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Man, I think, you know, you and I have obviously talked about this a lot over the last year and a half to throughout this whole process, but also really in-depth these last couple of months. Man, I just, I just believe I've earned it. I really do. I think I, for a guy who never thought that he would be in these kinds of positions, that, that, that idea sounded so foreign to me, like I, like I didn't deserve it. I have now become that man and stepped into that role. And I've done everything right. I've trained years and years and years for this moment. I've grown as a man. I've taken my losses, continued to tick forward. And I was born for a time such as this. So I think this performance will not only be the biggest fight of my life,

• 6:30Speaker 02

  but the best performance of my life. And I think that's the way it was supposed to happen. It was supposed to be against the biggest name in the sport. It was supposed to be against a guy like Conor, who is a little bit different than me in a lot of ways. I mean, a lot of people would say in a lot of ways. And it's got a great storyline and I want to be the hero of the story.

• 6:48Ed Mylett?

  I love that. Most of you don't know, but I'm honored that I get a little bit of chance, a little bit to work with Michael on this fight, just in his brain a little bit. And honored to get a chance to do a little bit of the work with him on that. Did you, you know, what you just said applies to everything in life about success, that we earn it, that we've been preparing for these moments all of our lives. But I'm curious, in your case, like, we'll show the clip right now on YouTube. We'll do the audio here as well. But like you called him out way back when after Big W. I'm just curious, were you planning on doing that if you won the fight? I've never even asked you this, or was it just like random? You're like, Conor McGregor. Was it like, did you know you were gonna do that? Or was that completely like Holy Spirit or inspired moment standing there after a W?

• 7:31Speaker 02

  I've had, I've had a lot of those Holy Spirit moments, but this one was premeditated. I think, you know, with the sport of mixed martial arts, A, it moves fast. B, we are all victims of, of timing and circumstance, like whether it be a certain opponent not ready, or a certain opponent ready too soon and you're not ready. It just, the stars were going to align and it made a lot of sense in my mind, thinking ahead in the future for right after I knocked out Tony Ferguson that night. And he was just on his way coming back, talking about coming back, the timing was gonna work out perfectly. And I wanted to shoot my shot. I mean, there's every single person in the sport of mixed martial arts within two or three weight classes of Conor McGregor, says his name often, and there's a reason why. He's the biggest name in the sport.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  And I'm a guy who I know that we will, we will, we will create some magic, create some fireworks inside of a UFC octagon. I believe I will be the victor and I do believe that I, I deserved to be in that moment. If anybody was gonna have that bright of a light shined on them, if anybody was gonna have those high of stakes, I wanted it to be me, because why not?

• 8:37Ed Mylett?

  I love that. Oh, here's my surprise for you, Mr. Chandler. So, so I have my really, really good friend joining us today, everybody and Michael. This is Mikey Garcia, who is a four-time, he's a boxing champion, four-division champion. And has had one of the most prolific careers in all of boxing and I love him and he's been a guest on my show. And I just thought, you know what, from one champion to another, I thought I'd have him whisper some words of wisdom to you here today, if he would. So, Mikey, thanks for jumping in, brother.

• 9:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you, thank you. And Michael, pleasure to meet you, brother.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  You, you as well, man. You are a legend, dude. It's awesome, awesome to meet you.

• 9:17Ed Mylett?

  Are you surprised?

• 9:19Speaker 02

  Exactly, I am. That is awesome, dude.

• 9:22Speaker 03

  So, that's awesome. Great, great.

• 9:24Ed Mylett?

  And Mikey's one of the most giving dudes in the world. As long as you buy him dinner at Javier's. You gotta pay for dinner when you're with him. But, um, so, bro, I'm just curious, Mikey, if you're talking, you've had these huge fights. In fact, I've been at Texas Stadium with this dude in front of 50,000 people. I mean, he's had huge, huge fights. Is it different in a big fight, Mikey? Like, anything you would say to Michael? You know, mentally, is there anything different when it's a huge, high-profile fight as opposed to, you know, something, no offense to any of great boxers, but some casino on the come up compared to, you know, a big arena, Vegas fight or whatever. Did that affect your mentality? Did you look at the fight differently? Is it just another fight?

• 10:02Speaker 03

  Look, you, you've been in it, you know, your whole life. You know, I was in it since I was a little kid. So, I always took each fight as a big fight, because I knew, you know, winning one fight would lead to the next and move my career forward. So, getting to the big arena, to the big stage, you know, you talked about, you know, AT&T Stadium, you know, in Texas, you know, and 50,000 people there. But to me, it was just another night. I worked my whole life to get there. Um, and I think, you know, I was just excited to finally make it to that, you know, stage to the highest, you know, in in in my career.

• 10:40Speaker 03

  And uh, what I did do a lot is I visualized that a lot. I visualized the fight. I visualized, you know, training. I visualized, you know, every scenario during the fight, winning or losing rounds, you know, overcoming challenges in the fire, a cut, a knockdown, whatever it could be. I would always visualize, you know, and that had that went for for every fight, but especially on the big one. Cause I didn't want anything to be, you know, out of, you know, my my my norm to scare me or or or timid me in any way. You know, so for me, it was visualizing everything, the ring walk, you know, i- i- the introduction to the to the to the fight. Um, just so that I could have that already in my head.

• 11:24Speaker 03

  When I experienced it, it wasn't as new. It was already there before. I had already locked it in. I've already seen myself in front of that kind of attendance, that kind of crowd. And I just felt comfortable. I felt I felt normal. It felt like another day. Um, the training obviously was harder. The training was, you know, more more vigorous for for for the training camp and longer weeks, all that. Because I was fighting a bigger guy. I was fighting a a bigger, you know, man in the ring on on fight night. So I had to prepare a little differently. But mentally, I was, you know, strong. It was it was like a normal thing. Like, I just need to be here. Um, I visualized every round. Even even though the fight didn't go the way I originally wanted to, I I thought it was my first loss.

• 12:07Speaker 03

  But I walked out of that a hundred percent healthy, fine. We hung out the next day. We flew back together.

• 12:13Ed Mylett?

  We flew back together.

• 12:15Speaker 03

  You could tell that my my mindset was sharp as ever. I was still, you know, confident. I was still having plans for the future and it didn't it didn't send me back. You know, it wasn't ever like that. So that's that's what I got.

• 12:28Ed Mylett?

  Let me ask you, by the way, does that sound familiar, Michael, about the visualization? By the way, all of you, this is a gift you're getting today that, you know, I didn't intend to give you publicly, and I don't know that I'll put all this out either, by the way. But to have two. Gladiators talk to one another like this about it. What's and by the way, Mikey and I did fly back after that fight together and I was like just struck by how calm he was like, sorry, bro. We're gonna another one. We're gonna do this. We're gonna do that. But Mikey, what was interesting about what you just said, and Michael, I'll let you ask Mikey anything you want to. That's why I brought him here today, but Mikey, you would actually visualize negatives too. You're okay with visiting. I lost around or whatever. I'm interested in that.

• 13:08Ed Mylett?

  You think that was an okay thing do because I do as well. Might as well. I mean, you're gonna lose a round. You're gonna get hit. Something bad's gonna happen. To avoid thinking about it to me seems sort of silly. Why not become familiar with it so you can respond? Is that why you would do it?

• 13:21Speaker 03

  Yes, it's just so that you don't get nervous or panic if something does happen during the fight. It's better be well prepared for any scenario, you know, including a knockdown or a cut, you know, something of that nature. But no matter what I envisioned or I visualized, I always came out the winner. I would always visualize myself winning at the end of the night, whether it was I lost a couple of rounds or or it was a tough fight. I got dropped in one of the rounds, you know, but I got up and I know how to react. And I know how to continue with the remainder of rounds and always winning at the end of the night. In other instances, different fights, I did get dropped on two separate occasions.

• 14:03Speaker 03

  But I knew what to do. I knew how to react. I had already planned how to even get up from a knockdown. I didn't want to get up in any way that would make the referee think that I was hurt and stop the fight. So I purposely figured how to position myself, how to take my time, how to take a knee first and then slowly gradually walk up. And then walk a little bit towards the neutral corner, give my opponent more space. More space so that when the fight resumed, I wasn't right in front of him, you know, and he's attacking me. I give more space, you know, so I would visualize that and prepare myself. I didn't do it in training camp where I would purposely go down and get up. No, but I would do it here, you know, training my mind to be able to react

• 14:49Speaker 03

  in those scenarios. If I got cut, I knew exactly to signal my corner, let them know that I was cut. So they could prepare the medicine so that as soon as the The, the end of the round was there, you know, the, the bell rang. I was already close to the, to my corner. In fact, a lot of the rounds, I would walk close to my corner at the 10 second count. I walked close to my corner. So in case there was anything, they'd be the first ones to attend me while my opponent still has to walk all the way across to, to his corner. Those are a few seconds, a few seconds extra that I will have that my opponent doesn't have. So I would, I would practice all this.

• 15:22Ed Mylett?

  What I want everybody to get, whether you're an entrepreneur or you're an athlete, or I want Michael too for this, is the specificity of preparation, right? The specific, to think that you would actually, and in Michael's case, it's not quite as easy if he's on the ground, but the specific thing that you're actually edging towards your corner early to get those extra few seconds of cuts.

• 15:43Ed Mylett?

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• 18:13Ed Mylett?

  Now, one thing you were great at, this is more like inside stuff for Michael. One of the things Mikey was most well known for in boxing was his ability to go in with a game plan for the fight because his brother's the greatest trainer in the world. And so they had a game plan for the fight. But mid fight, mid round, begin to pick up on tendencies that he didn't see on film. In other words, react when things don't go the way he expected them to go, Michael. Right? But that was, I think, Mikey, you correct me if I'm wrong. I think that was actually your greatest strength in the ring was your ability to adapt to a dude, whatever you saw that night. First, am I right about that? And two, any insight for him? Let's say he gets in there with Connor, right? He's going to have a game plan. We're not going to say what it is.

• 18:58Ed Mylett?

  But like most fights, you know, like Tyson says, everything can change when you get punched in the mouth. Or just Connor comes in there with something totally different, right? Connor's gonna throw some things at him he hasn't seen before. How were you, were you consciously thinking as you're going? Or is it some depth perception thing you're using a feel thing? Like, what would you do to read him?

• 19:17Speaker 03

  Look, I'm, I'm looking at my opponent. You know, I'm taking the first round or two rounds to study my opponent. The way I study my opponent is I I feel his his speed. I let him punch a few times to be able to time the the reaction, you know, time the the speed of the punches and and also timing his defense. So I'll jab a couple of times and see how fast he can either block or or or dodge the punch. So I can make my adjustments as the rounds go by. Second round, I'm still feeling him out, but maybe by the third round, you know, I'm I'm already have a good idea of what to do. However, things can change, like you just mentioned, things change. So I prepared myself to be able to adapt.

• 20:00Speaker 03

  And as the rounds kept going, I'm also listening to the guy's breathing. I'm listening to the way he's his body's i- his posture. You know, are his hands still up high and is still got the same intensity behind it? Or is he starting to slow down? He's starting to wear out. Are we tying up? If we're hugging, if we're tying up, is he trying to let loose to continue fighting? Or is he just kind of trying to rest now? It's the eighth round. Maybe he's just resting a little bit, you know? So I'm paying attention to all that. And at the same time, I'm cook, I'm I'm I'm figuring out what I gotta do to keep countering his, you know, fight, his game. If he's changing something, if he's still on it, if he's still trying to do something, okay, maybe I gotta box a little bit more, maybe I gotta pressure.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  So all that training came from being in shape in the gym. Training hard in the gym, all those weeks of training, you know, all that. There's days in sparring sessions where I would box 12 rounds. Beautiful footwork, beautiful speed, counter punch for 12 rounds. So that I knew I can do that for 12 rounds on fight night. But then there was other days where I would switch it, where I'd be fighting, you know, eight rounds, solid forward pressure, pressure. In case I needed to do that on fight night, I know I'm capable of doing that as well. So training, I would do all that. I would do all that in training.

• 21:18Ed Mylett?

  A lot of people would say, well, some of that he's got time because there's 12 rounds. But there are, but there are eight, no, but there's a ton of guys in the UFC that are spending time reading. I think of Izzy, he does that. He's reading cadence, he's reading speed, he's reading pace. John Jones, St. Pierre did it. This is done in the UFC as well. Uh, they're pacing themselves in the round. They're making, these are just things for Michael as he's ready for the fight that I want him to at least have the gift of in considering and then just, you know, for back and forth. Was there anything? And then, Michael, I'll let you ask him something. Anything, um?

• 21:51Ed Mylett?

  Press wise that week, this is more of like an inside thing, but like big fights, there's more press. There's more demands on your time, particularly fight week, right? And I mean, can you imagine? McGregor Chandler, what the press demands will be that week? Did you, I mean, it's one of the biggest fights in the history of the sport. So, so anything you did mentally stay a particular way or pace yourself or that you would think of in dealing with? Just even press for the week of the fight.

• 22:19Speaker 03

  The, the press, that media is gonna be tough, it's gonna be rough. Everybody's gonna be pulling you left and right. Everybody wants, you know, 10 minutes of your time. And, and you're obligated, you know, to, to some extent, you have to give, you know, press, you gotta give the media some time, you gotta give them interviews. Um, it's part of promoting, it's part of being professional, you know, at that level. Um, but what I, what I used to do was any moments that I had free time, I'd go rest. I would always make sure I get enough rest, even if it was only a 20, 30 minute little nap, even if you don't go to sleep. But just laying down, chilling and, and resting your eyes for those 20, 30 minutes will help.

• 23:02Speaker 03

  At the end of the day, your number one goal is to perform and fight on Saturday night, on fight night. To your best of your capabilities. The media can wait a little bit, the media can be put to the side, you, you gotta give them a little bit, but it's not all that matters. The number one thing is winning the fight, you know, that's number one. So you gotta give them some time. Yeah, it's part of promoting, part of the business, part of, you know, marketing the fight. But every moment that I had, every hour, every 30 minutes that I had, I'd go take a break, I'd go take a nap. Cause that would really, really help me continue my, my day and, and keep the energy. It's exhausting to be in front of media, repeating the same over and over and over and over. And you have to have the smile and same energy. You're exerting a lot of energy over the days.

• 23:45Speaker 03

  You know, you may not be working out as hard anymore, cause now it's chill week, it's lighter work. Um, until you gotta cut weight, you're kind of slowing down on the pace of, of the training. But the whole media, the whole press.

• 23:59Speaker 03

  It's exhausting. So take all the time that you have to rest your body. Like I said, at the end of the day, if you really don't feel like doing every single interview, you don't have to. You don't feel so good. I'm not doing that one. I'm only doing the ones that really, really matter because I'm contractually obligated. I'll do that. You know, the network or the main ones after that. Hey, I'm done. I'm resting because I want to win the fight.

• 24:21Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, these are all things, by the way, everybody. And by the, let's just be clear. Michael's had tons of huge fights, Madison Square Garden. I mean, he's fought in the biggest arena in the world, just like Mikey has, right? He's done this, but everyone listening to this, it's getting an inside peek of what top athletes in the world think about and talk about. Same thing comes in business. Sometimes you've got to say no to meetings because you've got a big close at the end of the week. You've got to be your best and peak at that moment, right? So these are all the same principles. Mikey, all the, Michael rather, all the big fights you've had. I just wanted to put someone almost the same sport, but a little bit different. We could have to, to, to just have you think about it just from a little bit out of the box, but still in the same box type thing. Um, both of you guys have had the biggest fights in the world. You've both won them.

• 25:05Ed Mylett?

  This fight, Mikey's, Michael rather, is going up in weight a little bit per his own decision. So cutting won't be as bad. You went up in weight too, Mikey, four different times. Um, Michael, what, anything you want to ask Mikey before I let, let him go so we can have the rest of the show and, and talk about anything you want to ask him?

• 25:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, more than anything, I just, I love, I love to pick you back off of like, you know, what you were saying about the visualization. I mean, just for the audience listening and even hearing it from a world-class guy like Mikey, who I have watched on TV uh, so many times, knowing that before going into that fight during the visualization, it isn't all just about success. It's also about uh, overcoming obstacles, right? Because who doesn't want to be able to uh, see themselves knowing that, you know, you're going to be in the trenches taking grenades and you're going to be able to get through them and how you're going to react and respond and seeing yourself um, become victorious even when there is a little bit of adversity as well as.

• 26:01Speaker 02

  You know, we're not there yet to Fight Week yet. Next week, I gotta go out to New York for a full day to do some press stuff. The press is about to start picking up. Um, and I think for me, um, realizing that I have such a great crowd of witnesses, this is, I've had big fights, but this is even bigger. So therefore, it's even more of a conviction to show up, um, with a smile on my face as much as I can, but also be selfish when I need to, uh, to take a little bit of time and maybe say no to a couple of, or you're like, yeah, this one's not exactly, uh, you know, one of the big ones, you know? Um, but no, that, that insight of even just like thinking about and your highlights and, and the fights that I've seen you in,

• 26:41Speaker 02

  um, and thinking about that man, cause you've always just been that man, that dominant guy out there, but then also hearing those little idiosyncrasies about the, the visualization and all the different things that you looked at and watched and played inside of your head, even leading into those fights. And they weren't always positive, but they always, they always ended with your hand getting raised.

• 27:03Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 27:03Speaker 03

  Yep, yep.

• 27:04Ed Mylett?

  Mikey, I gotta tell you, man, I'm really grateful you did this today, bro. Like, you know, you didn't need to do it immediately, Michael. Just so you know, immediately I asked Mikey, he's like, yep, I got you. He was in New York. He's like, I got it. I'll make it happen. I had to change the time on him. He's like, no problem, bro. And the other thing everybody should know, and I talk about this, Michael, all the time, Mikey saved his money. Mikey saved his money. All you athletes listening, that's why he's real casual in a T-shirt and me and Chandler are still working right now. Chandler saved his money too. But Mikey saved his money and he's a young, wealthy man, bunch of real estate, has done really, really well for himself. So I love you, brother. Thank you for jumping in. I appreciate it. I'll text you when we're done here.

• 27:40Speaker 03

  Let me know. Thanks, Ed. And I want to wish you the very best, Michael. Uh, you know, we know how gangster you are. We know, you know, such a badass you are. Uh, you got this. I mean, you've been training your whole life for this. There's nothing, nothing more that, that, that we gotta give you, you know, much more tips on, on fighting. You know, I mean, you've done it. Um, you just gotta go in there and take care of business, brother. I wish you the very best. I'll be checking it out.

• 28:03Speaker 02

  Thank you so much, man. I appreciate you, man. And I'm gonna have Ed connect us so we can.

• 28:06Ed Mylett?

  I'll do it today. I'll connect you when we're done.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  I would love that.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  You're the man, Mikey. I appreciate you, brother.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  We'll go get some dinner after your fight.

• 28:12Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 28:12Speaker 02

  Hey, yeah, what'd you say, Julio's or where you want to say?

• 28:14Ed Mylett?

  We're gonna go to Hobby Ares, but you're gonna win this fight.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  There you go, let's go.

• 28:17Ed Mylett?

  You're gonna win the fight and you're gonna buy us dinner. So that's what we're gonna do.

• 28:20Speaker 02

  I got that. I got you guys.

• 28:22Ed Mylett?

  All right, brother. Take care, Mikey.

• 28:23Speaker 02

  Thank you. Have a good one, guys.

• 28:24Ed Mylett?

  Good luck, man. How cool was that, bro? Was that cool?

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's so cool, man. Absolute warrior. I mean, that was the thing, too. Obviously, phenomenal technician, phenomenal at boxing, but also just a warrior, man. Like,

• 28:35Ed Mylett?

  Yep.

• 28:36Speaker 02

  It's, and obviously, like you said, different sports, but they're the same. It's, it's hand-to-hand combat, whether it's wrestling, boxing, kickboxing, these hand-to-hand combat competitions, man.

• 28:47Ed Mylett?

  Yep. And one of the things that you all should know that, you know, kinda inside baseball stuff that Mikey and I work on and that, um, Michael and I work on is visualization. A lot of you ask about that, but it's like really detailed stuff and it's okay to visit uh, failure. It's okay to visit a down cycle. And in fact, I think it's really important because then you can program yourself out of it. So, anyway, I just wanted to have you visit with him for a minute and, and have the audience listen to the two of you. So, let's go to, let's go shift a little bit. How did, Mikey got there and you've gotten there? Did you get there, how much of this was natural for you? Like, you're a college wrestler. How much of where you got was, you know, you're just athletically super gifted? And how much of it was

• 29:28Ed Mylett?

  the actual grind? Like, did you, when you were in college, did you see dudes who were just better than you? Even in college, did you see guys athletically that were even better than you? And how do you end up being this guy that's on the world stage? One of the most famous fighters, obviously the most electrifying fighter, probably in the history of the UFC. Was, was it just gifted talent? Or were you always seeing dudes that you thought even were more naturally physically gifted than you?

• 29:52Speaker 02

  I think, you know, especially in college, once I've become, you know, more of an adult or a young adult, a young man, if you will. Yeah, I mean, a lot of guys had a lot more talent than I did, but yeah, but I think it was, you know, I think we can talk about talent and hard work and how, how they intersect, right? But you're, you're given a certain amount of gifts, but then it's up to you to just continue to see if you can find the edge of those gifts. And then all of a sudden, it seems as though those gifts.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Compound on themselves and then you're able to stretch them even more and then they compound on themselves and you stretch even more. I mean, I think more than anything, and this is why, you know, you and I talk about it's all up in here as well. You know, obviously, I look a certain way. I look like an athlete. I can jump on a box. I can lift weights. I look like an animal inside the cage. Obviously, I have built this man that you see before you who steps into the octagon. I have built him into to who I am. I've got some natural gifts, but there's so much of it was being trapped inside of my mind and I could see in the mirror a guy who looks like he should be successful in hand to hand combat, but my mind didn't truly believe it. And then, once you start adding that belief into it, and you're able to sprinkle a little bit more confidence, week by week,

• 31:04Speaker 02

  month by month, and then all of a sudden, you just watch it flourish. And it's that butterfly effect that started back when I was 14 years old, when I first started, and then each level up brings about a little bit more confidence. And then you have a couple setbacks you got to go through. And I think more than anything, I've just been given a, I've been given gifts to show what hard work and what is capable if hard work is put in. I'm not saying I didn't have any natural talent. People see my workouts now, they're like, man, I wish I had those kind of gifts. And it's like, well, we can't really tell if I'm gifted or not, because I've been doing it nonstop since I was 14 years old, 28 years.

• 31:40Ed Mylett?

  Yep. And that's what everybody needs to get, too. You know, success does not come as quickly sometimes as we think. This man's been at this now, how, how long have you been some sort of combat?

• 31:56Speaker 02

  28 years, since I was 14 years old.

• 31:59Ed Mylett?

  Watch this, everybody. How old were you when you got your UFC contract this time? How old were you?

• 32:03Speaker 02

  34.

• 32:04Ed Mylett?

  Do you hear that, everyone? That is highly unusual. He got his UFC contract at 34 years old. That's a long time. So, a lot of you, it's, there's just a point of where you'll quit. You'll just give up. It would have been really easy when he'd lose a fight at Bellator.

• 32:20Speaker 02

  Bellator, yeah.

• 32:21Ed Mylett?

  Yeah. He'd lose a fight in Bellator or something, and you'd think, well, that's it, you know? And then to come back, and to come back, and to win, and to become a champion again, and to get into these huge fights, is just unbelievable. So, sometimes it's going to take longer than you think it's going to take. One thing Michael did is he just stuck around long enough to collect on all the deposits he had made. He's finally getting a withdrawal. So you know those pieces in your closet that you find yourself wearing like on repeat all the time? That sweater that kind of just goes with everything? Or these perfect pair of pants? Those are the pieces that make getting dressed easy and that's what Quince does best. Quince focuses on high-quality wardrobe staples with premium materials like 100% Mongolian cashmere, organic cotton. The styles are timeless, versatile, and designed to become the dependable pieces you reach for every day. It's what I'm wearing right now.

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• 34:35Ed Mylett?

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• 34:43Ed Mylett?

  Now, what do you, do you, do you leverage the dark side? You know, we talk a lot in sports about there's like leveraging the dark side, which is, you know, going to that dark place and coming from there. And then there's sort of like the other side, which is like dream and vision and chasing the light and chasing the good stuff. Do you, that duality, I'm just curious, like, do you, is it fight night? You leverage the dark side? Do you lever leverage it? Is that your main lever? Like, I'm gonna kill this dumb, I hate him. Or how do you do it?

• 35:15Speaker 02

  It's a great question. I mean, honestly, I, I've said this numerous times. I know I'm about to have the best performance of my life when tears of joy are coming down my face and I'm listening to my music and I'm thinking about my wife and my kids and I'm thinking about some kid who I don't even know his name, who's looking up to me, some mom who's like thinking, man, I want my son to grow up just like Michael with like thinking about the generational curses and the chains that I'm able to lift off of people that I don't even know that I've never come into contact with. And obviously, most importantly, my wife, my two sons. That's when I know, when the tears of joy are, are welling up inside of me or I'm getting goosebumps before, that's when I know.

• 35:57Speaker 02

  So I think I'm so much more tied to the joy and it's just gratitude. I think I'm just so grateful. It really is crazy. I'm not supposed to be here compared to what my little 14 year old, 18 year old, 20 year old self thought I was going to be doing, you know, athletically. I'm not supposed to be here if you ask them, you know, with all the self doubt. And it's, it's like I'm living a dream. So I'm so much more tied into that joy. But as the fight gets closer, I, I do know that I have that kind of pissed off for greatness. I have my moments. I have my don't take any, any crap from anybody type of mentality, especially when I'm training. When I'm training and I'm in the room, I'm not this guy that, that you know, and you

• 36:42Speaker 02

  know, I, I'm, I'm different. And it's not that I'm trying to hurt anybody or it's not that I'm angry, but there's this little bit of. I don't know what word I would use, but it's like, hey, you guys know who I am, but I can't be trusted when I'm in here because I'm in my zone. Like this is me in my zone. I'm not gonna hurt anybody. I'm not here to to hurt anybody or or do anything illegal and untrain any partner. But like my willingness to go to a place where I don't care whose feelings I hurt or how badly I dominate somebody. So it's a different and then all of a sudden the practice is over. I sit there, heart rate comes down. I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go grab some lunch and you know. And I think it's a gift. I think it's a gift. I think it's it's beautiful and I I love that I can be that guy and my wife doesn't know who that guy is.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  My sons don't know who that guy is. The the the fans watch that guy on on Fight Night. Um, but very few people get to see it unless you're really training with me on hard, hard days or you're in the cage with me.

• 37:37Ed Mylett?

  I was watching, um, just prepping for you and I, I was watched last week. I watched Connor and Diaz too. I watched that fight and something really interesting struck me that night. He was in. This is a long time ago too, everybody, but that night Connor was in the biggest fight at that time in the history of the UFC. And I was just thinking where you were that night about the same time. And it was complete relative obscurity, right? At that time, no one knew Michael Chandler at that time. And he was actually in the middle during that time. I think it was when you had some of that streak that was not going the way that you wanted it to go ironically. And if you would have said at that time, here's a guy who's, you know, had a couple setbacks at the what is sort of the the B level of the MMA.

• 38:21Ed Mylett?

  No offense to Bellator, that's probably not even fair, but B level at least.

• 38:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that is that is fair, you know, and I and I admit that.

• 38:29Ed Mylett?

  And notoriety. And then you got this dude that night pulling out a W in the biggest fight of the UFC. And if you would have told the world that night, now that dude that's over there in Bellator that's struggling right now. He's gonna end up in Vegas, June 29th, 2024, going head to head with this dude in the biggest fight in the history of the UFC potentially. It just should give everybody hope that anything is possible in their life, man. And you you embody all of that. Is there a part of you, though, that has imposter syndrome? If you're being candid with the audience, that you do come from humble beginnings, you have had ups and downs, you are. Uh, you know, coming off of, you know, you haven't had a six fight win streak even right now, if we're being candid, right? So is there a part of you that has to overcome these mental?

• 39:14Ed Mylett?

  Demon, so to speak, of believing you belong, believing you can win, that I think most people struggle with, or have you passed that stage of your life?

• 39:23Speaker 02

  I think I definitely still have a certain degree of it, but I think, I think I've gotten to the point where it's been revealed to me enough through, through life, the course of life, that the older you get, the more people you come into contact with, the more, the more people you train with, or you're in business with, or you watch their work ethic, or you watch how they live their lives, both in front of the camera, behind the camera, and behind closed doors, in front of, you know, in front of the public, and you start to really look around and take stock and think, you know what, I do think that the gold and diamonds was, was, was reserved for God's people, not the devil's bunch. You know, I do think that the good among us are supposed to go out and capture those things.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  And before it used to be like, yeah, but you don't deserve it, you don't, you know, you don't deserve that. And if you do get that, well, what's gonna happen? Maybe, maybe you're gonna start rubbing people the wrong way. And I think I've gotten over that and realized, man, if you don't have a bunch of fruit on the back of your cart, you can't pass it out to people. If you've got nothing on your cart, you can't pass it out to people. And I do think I have, I have a duty to be successful, because I can then use it to change people's lives. Where, until I got to a certain point, it was like, well, I'm a little bit afraid. You, you actually were the first person I heard talk about the thermometer, right? And I was that guy, like, I'm okay with the thermometer getting to here, but I'm a little nervous if it gets too high.

• 40:48Speaker 02

  And that, that thermometer just keeps getting higher and higher and higher, and I'm getting okay with it each time. So I do think I have a little bit of a degree of that as, you know, once again, you, you keep leveling up. Every time you level up, now you're into a new realm. So of course, there's a little bit of it, but you say, wait a second, I've been here before, let me watch how this plays out, and At the end of the day, when I lay my head on the pillow at night, I know that I deserve it. I'm the one of those guys who deserves to to go and capture that because of the way that I live my life.

• 41:17Ed Mylett?

  That's exactly right. You've earned this. And by the way, everyone, a little bit of everything in moderation is actually good. So a little bit of imposter syndrome keeps you what you see in this young man right here. Humble, keeps you training hard. Reminds you, I better outwork this dude because maybe I don't have everything they have. A lot of imposter syndrome will cause your thermometer to turn the air conditioner on and you'll cool your life back down. So a little bit of it is not, you don't have to eradicate all of your imposter syndrome. You have to eradicate that it's your dominant thought, but to have that in the back a little bit is not all that bad. I have it, which is what causes me to prepare for a speech or a podcast. It's what's caused me to save my money. Because I don't believe all my press clippings. I don't believe I'm always going to win. Everything's entitled to me.

• 42:01Ed Mylett?

  And so it's a healthy thing to some extent. Let me ask you this. I was, uh, watching some fights, you know, preparing for, you know, artwork and and my son's like, Dad, these guys are so good. And, you know, I've, I've hit bags and spar and you, you know, all that part of my background. And I said, Max, the different thing that you don't realize, because it looks like a video game when you watch people fight is they're getting hit and still throwing punches back at the same time. That's the one thing I think when people watch any sort of combat, whether it's Mikey's sport in boxing or yours. They just underestimate how difficult it is to absorb punishment and return it. It's one thing to just dole out punishment into a bag, right? Or to, you know, to hit mitts.

• 42:45Ed Mylett?

  It's a very different thing. And that's really, I told my son, I said, Max, that's the, the game of life. The game of life is, everything looks good at the seminar. When you read the book or listen to the podcast, it's sort of like these offensive strategies. But the people that I've seen win, and I want you to talk about this in fighting it in your life. The people that I've seen win, they have this very special ability to absorb a punch and still throw back. And that's the separator in life, and it certainly is in sports as well. So just speak to that, Mike. I mean, metaphorically, you do it in there. And by the way, you may want to be the greats at all time at doing that. This is a dude who almost out on his feet can still knock people out better than anybody that's ever probably been in the sport or at least one of them.

• 43:30Ed Mylett?

  But what about that fact of life and actually in the sport, literally?

• 43:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, it's very interesting because I do think metaphorically, right, there's a lot of similarities there. But even realistically, I think from a physical standpoint, I think sometimes it's easier to take the blows inside of taking huge shots inside of a fight and keep coming forward where because there's not as much of an ego involved because I'm not really worried about what, how everybody perceives the punch that just land on me. Landed on me, whereas in life, in business, in our relationships, we have a failed account or a failed relationship or we have, we have a setback here, immediately everybody stops and thinks, looks in the mirror and says, what's everybody else thinking around me?

• 44:15Speaker 02

  You know, whereas in mixed martial arts, I don't have the time and I call it a luxury. I think I don't, I have the luxury of not having any time. If I sit and I dwell on that one punch that just landed in it and it rocked me. And I start thinking about what the people in the nosebleeds are in the front row or thinking about that shot that just landed. The second, the third, the fourth are going to come and the knockout is going to ensue. Whereas in life, a lot of times we are stifled and stymied so much by, we take one blow, we take one shot, we take one setback. And we're just worried about everything else with, instead of just, you know, the definition of persistence is continuing in a course of action with complete disregard to previous failures and future opposition, right? So in life,

• 44:57Speaker 02

  we stop and we think way too much about what's everybody else thinking or how is this going to look on social media? What are the, what are the press clippings going to say? Like you said, like there's so much to it. And I've gotten really good at, and this happened to me when I came to the UFC. Like you said, I was outside the UFC relative obscurity. I trained hard. I was a good athlete, but I wasn't a famous athlete. Then all of a sudden you come over, you're the biggest free agent signing maybe in UFC history and you, everything doubles and five, five times the following and five times the interviews and five times the platform. And all of a sudden you're like, wait a second, I better get used to. Public criticism very quickly, or else I'm gonna, I'm this thing, this ship's gonna sink.

• 45:39Speaker 02

  Um, so I've just gotten really good at realizing, man, no matter what, this is my race that I'm running. And I love you, but it's still my race. And I love my wife, my kids, and I love my coaches, but this is still my race. And if I could just focus on me and know, know that if I just keep moving forward. And if anything, we don't follow people because of their successes. We follow people more even for their failures because they were able to overcome something. People love us, people love a comeback. And that's what my story, my whole story has been about. I am a blueprint for how you get knocked down. Get back up and keep moving forward and then somehow end up in the biggest fight of the last decade.

• 46:20Ed Mylett?

  By the way, he's also, um, has a future in my space, uh, in the personal development, motivational coaching space. As you could tell, cause he's got this insane ability to articulate his thoughts. Okay, a couple more things. Um, separations in the preparation. I don't know if there's a more finely trained athlete on the planet than you right now. I mean, in any sport, this dude's a specimen. He trains his ass off. Um, do you like to train or do you do it because you know it produces a result? And how important in anything someone's doing, particularly if maybe they think they lack something. Is to gain their confidence from the prep, from the preparation.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  I think, um, I think I lo- I do love to do it because you ever ask yourself like, what, what's the alternative? You know, what is the alternative? I do think, I use the word easy lightly, cause I'm sure the audience is like, dude, I watched the training. It looks crazy, but for me, it's easy. My hard is different than your hard and different than hard for everyone else. Me thinking about doing some of the things that you do, that sounds crazy to me. But to me, maybe working out as hard as I do, half the audience is like, man, I would die in the, in the warm up. But it's become not easy in the sense that it's not hard every time I do it, but it's what I do. It's not who I be, but it is what I do. And I'm pretty darn good at it.

• 47:43Speaker 02

  And I do know that it produces results. And I do think, you know, going back to the imposter syndrome or going back to the, the self sabotage and going back to the temperature gauge, going back to my self concept or my lowly self concept that I used to have. If back when I was 14 years old, I didn't get into. Hand-to-hand combat, thinking, okay, I'm not that talented, so I have to outwork everybody. And I've been able to take that now for the last 28 years, and I've never, ever lost it. And I've won world titles, I fought for the world title in the UFC, I have fought Madison Square Garden twice, fight of the year, debut of the year, I've got all of these different accolades. But still, the cornerstone always is me remembering that little 14-year-old boy who walked into Northwest High School

• 48:25Speaker 02

  and knew that I was, I had just started wrestling and everybody else had been there for years, and I need to, I need to outwork all these people, or I'm never gonna get to where I'm going. And I still have that as a 38-year-old in the sport, 28 years in the sport. Um, so I look at it like I am grateful that I have these two capable arms and these two capable legs to be able to do what I do, you know, and I, you know, I look at it as a blessing that I, you know, I train here in Deerfield Beach, Florida, and there's two gyms connected to each other, there's a physical therapy, there's a physical therapy, um, clinic in our same interests. We share one, and I see people coming in in wheelchairs, I see people coming in with cerebral palsy,

• 49:07Speaker 02

  and I see people coming in with really bad injuries, car accidents, paralysis, all of these different things. And I know it sounds a little bit dark to think about, right? But I am so blessed to be able to do what I, what I get to do, and every single one of those people would, would give anything to trade one week of this well-enabled body, to be able to live in this well-enabled body. And I, I really always have looked at that blessing that most people are, have, they can talk about depression, or they can talk about anxiety and sadness and all of these different things, but we have so many things to be thankful for that we just gloss over and overlook, and just keep moving forward. And I think that's where it is, knowing I can outwork everybody,

• 49:50Speaker 02

  taking my gratefulness and my gratitude for the abilities that I have and the opportunity that I have, and thinking about the alternative. The alternative is me. Going and getting a job somewhere and I love what I do and I get to do it every single day.

• 50:04Ed Mylett?

  It's my producers, I guarantee you are just, their mouths are open right now because right before you got here, I recorded a podcast. It'll come out after this one. But I talked about focusing on what you possess as opposed to what you don't have and then having perspective questions about the fact that someone's got it worse than you. And when you're actually able to do those two things and focus on what you have as opposed to what you're missing. And focus on the fact that you're blessed to have what you do have that someone's got it worse. It's just amazing. Then you go say this. How much is your two last questions?

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• 51:05Ed Mylett?

  How much is your growth on you? Like, most people can tell from listening to you now, but I want everyone to know, this man works very hard on himself. Like, Michael in his downtime, I'm not his only friend in this space. Michael will attend events. He's read the books. He listens to the podcast. He, he'll speak at these events as well. He's worked very hard on the internal him. And, and there's two elements of that. He's a man of very strong faith. But he's also worked on his mind, worked on his thinking, worked on himself, worked on that thermostat setting. How much of that, aside from all the physical training, do you attribute to the fact that you're going to be in the octagon on the 29th with McGregor?

• 51:46Speaker 02

  I think it's got, I mean, it has everything to do with it. I mean, really, and, and I made this, you know, I made this realization years ago when you were talking about, you know, if, for the people that don't know, I went 688 days without winning a fight. And for a lot of people, that's a, that's a death sentence for an MMA career, you know, going from world champion of Bellator to losing three fights in a row, thinking that at any point in time, I was going to get my walking papers or get a, get a phone call that I was going to get cut from the organization. And in that time, I realized I was doing all the physical work. If you're my coach and you tell me to run through that wall, I will run through that wall. No questions asked, and I will do it harder and faster and better than every single else behind me. But what I wasn't working on was my mind, and what I wasn't working on is this self-image. And I was letting that get away from me.

• 52:28Speaker 02

  All I was doing was building up a bigger, faster, stronger, subpar version of the man that I was really created to be. Because inside of here, inside of my mind was so, it was lacking, and it was so important. But it needed to be revealed to me. And that was the thing, too. If a bad thing happens to you, but a good thing comes from it, and you become a better person, a better man, a better father, a better husband, a better, a better human being. You gotta ask yourself, was it really a bad thing if a good thing comes from it? And I think I look at that point in my career and realize that was the catalyst and the, the springboard that was going to catapult me. That was the winding of the spring, and it was a painful winding of the spring.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  It was, it came with tears, it came with self doubt, it came with embarrassment, overwhelming embarrassment. But it was that coiling of that spring that eventually springboarded me to becoming the next version of the man that I needed to be. And yeah, I mean, I just, I've always been, I've always just been curious and admired people like yourself, who, who, who are trying to make the world a better place, admitting their flaws, showing and wearing their heart on their sleeve, and talking about the struggles that you have gone through and how there's a lesson in every single loss. And, you know, I've been very blessed with so many great friends. And I have a duty to them to continue to be a part of that community.

• 53:52Speaker 02

  I have, and I have a duty to my family, and I have a duty to myself. And most importantly, I have a duty to my almighty God who created me, not just to be good, not just to be that little boy who was gonna play it small and, and think that he doesn't deserve great things and think that I could just, you know, barely get enough and barely get by and live paycheck to paycheck. And nobody knows my name. I, I've, I was commissioned and, and I have this conviction, this deep conviction to know that I was created to do something extraordinary. And it took years and years and years, and I just wanna keep on adding to that. And when people say the sky is the limit, you know, it's a, it's a term that we use, but at some point you start to believe it and you, and you believe it not because of the Bentley's and the Bugattis and the boats and the watches and the, all the material

• 54:35Speaker 02

  things, but it's the things that people, that you make people feel just with your presence and with your, with your words and your voice. And that's what I want to be able to do. And now we got the biggest, the biggest platform we ever could have asked for and the sky is the limit.

• 54:48Ed Mylett?

  Yeah. By the way, you, uh, you are doing that. All right, Michael, I love you. Everybody, I hope this blessed you today. I'm sure that it did. Really cool to get into the mind of this absolute champion here. And actually for a few minutes, two of them at the same time. So, all right, everybody, God bless you. Share this episode and tune in on June 29th. And if it's after that time, share this episode with anybody who wants to hear about being a champion, winning mindset, pressure, overcoming adversity, et cetera, et cetera. God bless you, everyone.