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1:03 Speaker 01 Learn more at jira.com. That's J-I-R-A dot com. Also, I have a theory about this whole thing. Okay. I think Jaguar, when they started to make their rebrand this whole thing, they've been frustratingly not changing their target demographic for so long that I think that the mission behind this was do absolutely nothing the same as the previous cars. Yeah. Not the font, not the size, not the shape, not the angle. Yeah. Not a single thing can be the same as before.
1:37 Speaker 01 Yo, what is up, people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform Podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez. I'm Andrew.
1:43 David Imel? And I'm David.
1:44 Speaker 01 This is back to your regularly scheduled programming, I would say, officially. It feels like longer because it's been even longer since we actually recorded. Since we physically did. Yeah, we ran it back with that throwback episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it. I thought it was great, sort of reviving it for the video pod. But now, well, a whole bunch of stuff has happened, so we get to talk about it again. We have Spotify Raptus come out, so everyone's talking about that. Also, the new Jaguar Concept EV is revealed. We have our thoughts. How The Verge is changing, and we're gonna wrap it up with a game, because we just can't get enough of games, so all that's happening. But first, Black Friday and Cyber Monday did happen in between the last recording and now. Did either of you, did anybody in this room buy anything?
2:28 David Imel? I actually did.
2:29 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, me too. I was, okay.
2:31 David Imel? Well, yeah, okay.
2:32 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, go, go, go.
2:33 David Imel? I don't, I don't like, you know, there's a lot of the time, yeah. It's not fun to contribute to capitalism.
2:40 Andrew Manganelli? And on top of that, at this point, most Black Friday deals are total bullshit.
2:44 David Imel? Right.
2:45 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
2:45 Speaker 01 The only thing that I posted on Black Friday was a reminder about the Amazon price tracker. Just to keep an eye on, so that's the one everyone keeps talking about. There's one that I also found that had higher ratings and that seemed to have a greater information.
2:58 David Imel? Cam, cam, cam.
3:00 Speaker 01 And it's basically just, if something says 50% off, you just, you can just check a history and see if it was just 50% off a day ago, before they raise it back to full price, so they can raise it back down again to say it's 50% off.
3:13 David Imel? Right.
3:13 Speaker 01 That sort of thing.
3:14 David Imel? Yeah.
3:15 Speaker 01 But what, what did you get?
3:16 David Imel? So unfortunately, I am once again going through an existential crisis over two products. So I bought both of them.
3:23 Andrew Manganelli? Nice.
3:23 Speaker 01 Sounds about right.
3:24 David Imel? Uh, I am buying a, finally, a smart lock for my apartment. Currently, I, my apartment is weird, because New York apartments are weird. My apartment was built in the 1800s. And so I have this special lock called a Mortise lock. It doesn't work with most smart locks.
3:42 Speaker 01 Right.
3:42 David Imel? So they're all, usually what you have to do with these is you have, basically have to get a special lock that just goes over the deadbolt, like, turner, and it physically turns the deadbolt for you. As well as, in New York City, you're not supposed to change the actual lock on the inside of your door. And so you don't even want to make it look like you have a smart lock on your door. Otherwise, your landlord will get really angry at you. So, I originally bought the Switchbot Lock Pro.
4:09 Speaker 01 Is this gonna get you in trouble, talking about it on the podcast?
4:12 David Imel? You think?
4:12 Andrew Manganelli? Avid listener, David's landlord.
4:14 Speaker 01 Does your landlord listen away for him? Just checking. You never know.
4:16 David Imel? I really hope not. He's not brought it up, but he does live underneath me in my basement.
4:20 Speaker 01 Okay.
4:21 David Imel? So, uh, yeah, so I bought the Switchbot Lock Pro. And then unfortunately, because I had searched about Switchbot Lock Pro, I heard about this new lock from this existing company that basically does the same thing, but it's way faster, and it runs over matter over thread. As a protocol guy, I wanted it more. It is like double the price. But um, yeah, the Switchbot Lock Pro currently has to use a hub that has to plug into the wall.
4:48 Speaker 01 Kind of annoying.
4:48 David Imel? As like a translator. Yeah.
4:50 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, okay.
4:51 David Imel? Yeah. So I would rather just have something that works over Matter. So I bought both of them to sort of compare them. Um, just to make sure it works because the, the second one said it works on UK more T slots, but I don't know if that's the same as mine. Anyway, that's what I bought. They were both cheaper. I did check the price and it was like, it was like 30% cheaper than it usually is.
5:13 Speaker 01 A real discount.
5:14 David Imel? A real discount.
5:15 Speaker 01 Hooray for a real discount.
5:16 David Imel? Hooray. Nice. Yes.
5:18 Speaker 01 Andrew, you got something too?
5:19 Andrew Manganelli? I bought three things.
5:19 David Imel? Oh.
5:20 Andrew Manganelli? Sort of.
5:20 David Imel? Oh.
5:21 Speaker 01 Flex on him.
5:22 Andrew Manganelli? One I only want to bring up because David and I had this conversation the other day and it's super related to his. I was putting up Christmas decorations after Thanksgiving when it's legal. Um, and I bought some new, uh, I've been using the smart outlets from Mayros, I think it is.
5:38 David Imel? Neeros.
5:39 Andrew Manganelli? Neeros, yeah. They're super simple. They're cheap. So when I search for more to plug in some Christmas lights, so they can all just come on and off when I want them to, so they can be on all the time for Lane because she loves them. I had the option to pick two, one with Matter and one without Matter. And I picked the one without Matter because it was cheaper.
5:58 David Imel? This is a mistake.
6:00 Andrew Manganelli? David was very upset with me.
6:02 David Imel? Do you not want to be future-proofed?
6:03 Andrew Manganelli? I don't see these cheap outlets as something I'm worrying as much about future-proofing. Although the ones I have have lasted a very long time.
6:11 David Imel? But if you have to buy new ones, you could have just bought the Matter ones.
6:15 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
6:16 Speaker 01 Well, the difference between the smart outlet and the smart outlet with thread, certain Matter support, isn't as different as the lock where you have something in the wall versus nothing in the wall.
6:25 Andrew Manganelli? Correct.
6:26 Speaker 01 So it's like, it's worth paying more to not have something in the wall maybe, but I don't know if you'd get anything out of a smart outlet with threads versus not.
6:33 Andrew Manganelli? To me also, I almost only buy it to set schedules on them. So I'm never really interacting with it that much and turning it on and off. It is really cool to be like. Hey gee, turn on Christmas and all my like Christmas lights come on in the tree and everything. So I guess Thread would do that.
6:50 David Imel? A big benefit of Matterover Thread is that it is much faster because it creates its own little local Intranet and they all talk to each other.
6:58 Andrew Manganelli? Christmas Intranet?
7:00 David Imel? Yeah, because it doesn't have to go into the internet, ping a server, come back to you and then say, "Turn on." It can just like send the signal directly to the device.
7:08 Speaker 01 Which is a nice benefit, but from experience, the Miroz one for me takes like three quarters of a second to turn on.
7:15 David Imel? Yeah, but what if it could take one quarter of a second?
7:17 Andrew Manganelli? That'd be cool. I don't know if I'd pay more for it, but it'd be cool. It'd be cool.
7:21 David Imel? Yeah.
7:21 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, did either of you? Wait, hold on, hold on. That was one out of three. Get out of here. Okay, keep going, keep going. Okay, second one is not really related, but still kind of related. It wasn't a deal, but there's this, I'm gonna talk about Disc Golf again, I'm sorry. There's a Disc Golf company where all the discs they make are recycled and they did a week of like recycling interesting things to make discs. And they made one completely out of iPhone cases. So I bought it.
7:47 David Imel? Oh, that's very cool.
7:48 Andrew Manganelli? And I think it's really cool. Um, there was only a few for sale because they were doing it more for like a video test, but this is officially a disc from Trash Panda made out of iPhone cases.
7:58 David Imel? Does it suffer from being made out of iPhone cases or should they just start making all of them out of iPhone?
8:02 Andrew Manganelli? No, it's probably not as good as some of the other discs, but it is pretty.
8:07 David Imel? It is, yeah.
8:07 Andrew Manganelli? Which is cool.
8:08 David Imel? It's got flex like a...
8:09 Andrew Manganelli? This was my way to incorporate Disc Golf into our office, vaguely related. But yeah, but the big thing that I bought was an iPad Mini.
8:19 David Imel? Whoa, wow, the newest. Look at that.
8:22 Andrew Manganelli? The A17 iPad Mini, it was a hundred dollars off from Costco.
8:26 David Imel? Yeah.
8:26 Andrew Manganelli? And I told myself if I could find any reasonable deal for the new iPad Mini, whether that was like same price but included a pencil or like more than twenty dollars off, I would pull the trigger. And I did. It's been awesome.
8:39 David Imel? Can you tell the full story behind this iPad Mini?
8:42 Andrew Manganelli? Um, I thought I ordered silver. And the purple is so miniscule that I still kind of thought I had silver, but did think there was like a
8:50 Speaker 04 You were like setting it up.
8:52 Andrew Manganelli? And I was like, oh, you got the purple one.
8:54 David Imel? It's the truck that drives by that has purple inside of it. And you can just sense it.
9:00 Andrew Manganelli? Vaguely. This is the La Croix purple.
9:02 David Imel? Yeah.
9:02 Andrew Manganelli? Um, color.
9:03 David Imel? Whispered purple in the factory.
9:05 Andrew Manganelli? But then, yeah, Adam was like, no, that's purple. And I looked down and I ordered purple. I guess I didn't realize it.
9:10 David Imel? That was the correct color.
9:11 Andrew Manganelli? It looks good.
9:12 David Imel? The purple's the best color.
9:13 Andrew Manganelli? It's a good color, but yeah, I'm pumped. I've downloaded so many Google apps onto it, which kind of doesn't make sense, but
9:19 David Imel? Funny.
9:20 Andrew Manganelli? Part of the reason I got it is because like a bunch of my family has iPhones and FaceTiming them with Lane will just be a little easier to do this at home. Plus, it's really nice to just like when I'm sitting on the couch, looking at hockey scores or Reddit or.
9:33 David Imel? That's how they get you. Then suddenly you're gonna be using the Apple Sports app.
9:36 Andrew Manganelli? All of you have, that I heard is terrible. So I'm not using that.
9:39 Speaker 04 It's gotten better.
9:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
9:41 David Imel? Okay, okay.
9:42 Andrew Manganelli? Great selling point.
9:43 David Imel? It does work on the iPhone Mini now.
9:46 Speaker 04 That is, that is correct. It does in fact work on the iPhone Mini.
9:48 Andrew Manganelli? Everyone's told me I'm gonna switch to an iPhone now. And I've been like, no, this is kind of like the reason that will make it so I will never switch to iPhone. Because it's the couple little things that maybe in my house are a little.
9:59 David Imel? I don't think this is nearly as much of a gateway device as the MacBook is, so.
10:05 Andrew Manganelli? I just think Android tablets aren't fantastic.
10:09 David Imel? Tablets are pointless.
10:10 Andrew Manganelli? This is a mini. It's not even like I really care. Traveling and watching some like Netflix and stuff on this will be great.
10:15 David Imel? Yeah.
10:16 Andrew Manganelli? And sitting on my couch, posting in hockey game day threads, making fun of how bad the Rangers are is gonna be way easier on this.
10:23 Speaker 04 I called iPads the gateway drug to Apple. I think this is how they slowly get you and pull you in.
10:27 David Imel? Is this how they got you?
10:29 Speaker 04 Indeed.
10:29 David Imel? Oh. There's ways they can get you through the iPad. You said FaceTime was one of those things. And then maybe you're out and this one's cellular or wifi?
10:36 Andrew Manganelli? Wifi.
10:37 David Imel? So it's wifi only. But like, what if you're on the go and wanted to FaceTime?
10:41 Andrew Manganelli? I have never wanted to FaceTime on the go. I can very sternly say that.
10:47 David Imel? But you're gonna start FaceTiming more, you never know.
10:49 Andrew Manganelli? Do any of you guys FaceTime like in the grocery store? I don't get that.
10:52 David Imel? Oh, no, no, no. I think it's, a lot of the zoomers will just FaceTime in public, like on the subway.
10:57 Andrew Manganelli? I think a lot of the boomers also.
10:58 David Imel? And the boomers. Okay, I have this theory that boomers and zoomers, neither of them know how to use technology or know how to do critical thinking. But only.
11:08 Andrew Manganelli? This.
11:09 David Imel? At David. The millennials.
11:11 Andrew Manganelli? This has, your theory has two theories. Yes, they're all wrong, or us as millennials are the wrong ones and everyone is.
11:19 Speaker 01 Everyone else who is wrong.
11:20 David Imel? It is one o'clock somewhere, so live, laugh, love, my guys.
11:23 Speaker 05 The generation that systematically gave away every ounce of their data knows how to use technology. Way to go. Great point.
11:29 David Imel? It was back with the company for friendly.
11:31 Speaker 01 Google's motto was don't be evil. How was I supposed to know they were gonna be evil?
11:36 Speaker 01 There's no way of knowing.
11:37 Andrew Manganelli? I'm surprised their face got eaten by leopards by the person who voted for the party.
11:42 David Imel? I have two things to say. One, I almost did buy the 10-inch iPad because it was also on sale because...
11:49 Speaker 01 The Air or the iPad?
11:50 David Imel? The cheapest iPad, the $420 one or whatever.
11:55 Speaker 01 Yeah.
11:56 David Imel? Because whenever I'm in the coffee shop, I often want to use three, like, three screens and I can split arc in two. But I always want a third one. Like, if I'm, I've been coding my website recently. And I need a version of it that is on the page that I can refresh, the version of it that has like the code in it, and then another window open for like researching stuff. But then I was told by a friend, you should just use the three finger swipe gesture on the Mac. Spaces? I literally have never used that before.
12:29 Speaker 01 Game changer.
12:30 David Imel? And I'm now realizing I should start using that.
12:32 Speaker 01 Spaces is great.
12:33 David Imel? Yeah.
12:34 Speaker 01 Yeah.
12:35 Andrew Manganelli? Apple's gonna get rid of that because it just realized it lost an iPad sale from it.
12:39 Speaker 01 It'll save you a lot of money on buying an iPad.
12:41 David Imel? Yeah.
12:42 Speaker 01 Spaces, I use Spaces a lot.
12:43 David Imel? Yeah, and then my last thing to say, just really quickly, because I mentioned the Switchbot Pro, the other lock I am going to test is the Akara Smart Lock U200. So if you have experience with these locks, I would love to know which one that you like better.
12:58 Andrew Manganelli? For renting. I just think that's a very specific thing in there.
13:02 David Imel? These are both specifically made basically for renters.
13:05 Andrew Manganelli? But for people who are gonna comment.
13:07 David Imel? Replace the bolt. Yeah, so.
13:09 Speaker 01 Hit them up on Blue Sky.
13:10 David Imel? Hit me up on Blue Sky.
13:11 Speaker 01 Yeah.
13:11 David Imel? At davidmell.com on Blue Sky.
13:12 Speaker 01 So you got, you got the iPad, you got the disc, and you got, what was the first thing?
13:17 Andrew Manganelli? Um, non-matter smart outlets.
13:19 Speaker 01 Exactly. Okay. Okay, that's a fall.
13:23 Andrew Manganelli? You said nothing, right?
13:24 Speaker 01 I didn't actually buy anything. Um, did anybody over on that side buy anything for Black Friday?
13:30 Speaker 04 I bought two things. One of them was new Joy-Cons because my Switch Joy-Con was broken.
13:35 Speaker 01 Are they on sale?
13:36 Speaker 04 They were nots.
13:39 David Imel? Like, everyone else is buying things, I need to do something.
13:42 Speaker 04 And then, on top of that, I also got an iPhone this, this season, for a...
13:48 Andrew Manganelli? 'Tis the season.
13:49 Speaker 04 'Tis the season.
13:49 David Imel? For those that don't know, I've known Adam for a very long time, and him and I used to cover phones at Android Authority, and he would come with me sometimes and help me film, and every single time we'd go to a briefing, he'd be like, "I'm buying this phone," and I'm like, "Adam, you need to stop."
14:05 Speaker 04 I have a problem. I just flip phones into other phones, so that's what I did.
14:09 Andrew Manganelli? What number phone is that this year?
14:11 Speaker 04 Three.
14:12 Andrew Manganelli? That's it?
14:12 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:13 Andrew Manganelli? I thought you were higher.
14:14 Speaker 04 No, I'm on three.
14:14 David Imel? I think he had more last year.
14:17 Speaker 04 Maybe.
14:17 Speaker 01 I'm also on three daily drivers this year, that I bought with my own money and used.
14:21 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:21 Speaker 01 So that's...
14:22 Speaker 04 I mean, in total, I've spent zero, so I consider that a, a plus.
14:26 Speaker 01 You spent zero on this new iPhone?
14:27 Speaker 04 Yeah.
14:28 Speaker 01 Oh, that's huge.
14:30 Speaker 04 Not yet. I'm gonna flip my Z Fold 6, which will cover the price.
14:34 David Imel? So what, what did you sell to get the Z Fold 6?
14:37 Speaker 04 The Z Fold 6, I had my mom's old iPhone and then my S24 Ultra.
14:43 David Imel? Oh.
14:43 Speaker 04 Yeah. Which I also flipped.
14:45 David Imel? This feels like there is money being spent in there.
14:47 Andrew Manganelli? There definitely is.
14:48 David Imel? Boy math.
14:49 Andrew Manganelli? Tech bro math.
14:50 David Imel? This is bro math.
14:51 Speaker 01 If anyone is doing the math and trying to figure out, I'll just say, my three daily drivers that I spent money on, that wasn't a review unit that I used personally in between review units this year, were the Pixel 8 Pro, which I got last year and used up to the beginning of this year, the Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra, which I used for a very long time this year, and then the Pixel 9 Pro XL, which I've used since it came out from the S24 Ultra. Those are the three phones that I bought with my own money, that weren't review units. Now, we have multiple of them in the office, but those, those are the ones I spent my money on, so...
15:24 Speaker 04 I did buy one thing, I, I just forgot about it.
15:26 Speaker 01 What did you buy?
15:26 Speaker 04 I bought a one-year update plan.
15:30 Speaker 04 For a software package called Resolute Arena. Nice.
15:34 David Imel? Nice.
15:34 Speaker 01 Is that a, do we use? No, we don't.
15:36 Speaker 04 Uh, we did use it, uh, on the trivia extravaganza.
15:41 Speaker 01 Oh.
15:41 Speaker 04 Last week.
15:42 Speaker 01 Shout out to them then.
15:43 Speaker 04 Yeah.
15:44 Speaker 01 Cause the trivia extravaganza was incredible.
15:46 Speaker 04 Yeah.
15:46 Speaker 01 If you haven't watched that already. Oh, you're missing out. Just watch the first three minutes. You're gonna wanna.
15:52 David Imel? Spoiler.
15:52 Speaker 01 Great.
15:53 David Imel? I won.
15:55 Speaker 01 Really big spoiler.
15:58 Speaker 01 Oh yeah, we got like the beginning of a new season this, this episode.
16:01 David Imel? All starting from scratch.
16:02 Speaker 01 Zero, zero, zero across the board right now.
16:04 David Imel? Oh man.
16:05 Speaker 01 That's huge for me. That's huge for me. Okay. Uh, what else? Okay, so, so that was great. Cyber Monday was a thing that happened. I got 800 emails during those days.
16:16 David Imel? Yeah.
16:16 Speaker 01 Uh, one of those emails was that The Verge was announcing a new subscription. I was, service, we wrote service, but it's more of like a tier. Subscription tier.
16:25 David Imel? Yeah, that's a good way of paying.
16:26 Speaker 01 They're kinda like splitting it up now.
16:28 David Imel? Sort of.
16:29 Speaker 01 How, how do you break this down? Cause I.
16:31 David Imel? Okay.
16:31 Speaker 01 They, it just have, they used to just have a free blog that everyone could read.
16:35 David Imel? Mostly.
16:35 Speaker 01 And has ad-supported, but they had a paid newsletter?
16:38 David Imel? They have a couple newsletters, yeah.
16:40 Speaker 01 So what is happening now?
16:41 David Imel? Yeah, so in prior years, a few of their reporters had different newsletters based on different things. So Alex Heath had a newsletter called Command Line, which is sort of about social media companies.
16:51 Speaker 01 Has.
16:51 David Imel? Has, yes, sure.
16:53 Speaker 01 And that was a paid newsletter?
16:54 David Imel? Paid newsletter.
16:54 Speaker 01 Yeah.
16:55 David Imel? Tom Warren has one called Notepad that's about Microsoft and Xbox and that kind of stuff. Um, now they're doing something where they are introducing something called a dynamic paywall. So it's not a traditional paywall like the Wall Street Journal or the New York Times where you basically can't read anything. It's basically like you can read most articles, but certain articles will be behind the paywall. And then also, if they notice that you are using the website like a lot, a lot, they'll start asking you to pay. There are still a few things that are going to be free forever. So they're basically asking hardcore people who use the site every day to chip in some money.
17:34 Speaker 01 Kinda like Wikipedia.
17:36 David Imel? Yeah, but Wikipedia doesn't force you to. Oh, they are gonna force you to.
17:41 Andrew Manganelli? Sort of.
17:41 David Imel? Yeah, after a certain amount of articles per month.
17:43 Andrew Manganelli? If you're like a Verge Power user.
17:45 David Imel? Cause I thought you said asking, they're gonna, so if they pick up that you're a heavy user, they will start restricting.
17:50 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
17:51 David Imel? Because you've read a lot of free things.
17:53 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
17:53 David Imel? Okay.
17:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. I think it's really important to put in here before we talk about like how much they're charging and everything is the reason of this is the reason we've talked about a billion times on this podcast. Is the more with AI and AI search stuff and like AI overviews that are pulling from content without pushing to the content to get them paid. Companies and like websites like this are going to start losing money. So this is a way they're combating that by having subscriptions. I mean, it's not new to have a subscription on a website that with journalists that's everywhere right now.
18:26 David Imel? Yeah.
18:27 Andrew Manganelli? I'm sure a lot of us are subscribed to some sort of like news organization or something at some point because it's getting so much harder for journalists to be able to put in a lot of time.
18:37 David Imel? For sure. I mean, that's definitely part of the reason. Another reason is that SEO has just completely ruined the internet. If you don't know what that is, it's search engine optimization. When you are writing an article, if you want to appear in Google, you have to use certain keywords. If you've noticed that a lot of the URL slugs that you uh, look at on the website that you're on have just like random keywords in the slug.
18:58 Andrew Manganelli? Extra words.
18:59 David Imel? It's because they have SEO specialists that help articles rank on Google.
19:04 Andrew Manganelli? Those are always funny when you like copy and paste something and don't see the whole URL and then like your text message just has like 50 words.
19:10 David Imel? Yeah. But the annoying thing about this is that incentivizes writing about specific things, using specific keywords to like frame things in a specific way, just so that Google says it's authoritative and whatever. And it kind of like homogenizes the internet and that sucks.
19:24 Andrew Manganelli? It also doesn't guarantee a good result when you get it. So like a
19:27 David Imel? Right.
19:27 Andrew Manganelli? Somebody who has all the perfect SEO tactics for titles and bylines and quick stuff like that. And then you click into it and it's like a gallery.
19:36 David Imel? Yeah.
19:36 Andrew Manganelli? And like garbage.
19:37 David Imel? Yeah.
19:37 Andrew Manganelli? Like they're winning because Google likes them more.
19:40 David Imel? Exactly.
19:40 Andrew Manganelli? But it's not necessarily bringing you the content you're actually
19:42 David Imel? Yeah.
19:43 Andrew Manganelli? Or information.
19:44 David Imel? So if you subscribe, yeah, it also gives you access to full text RSS feeds. As well as a physical copy of their magazine about how SEO ruined the internet, which is very
19:55 Andrew Manganelli? Physical
19:55 David Imel? Physical copy.
19:56 Andrew Manganelli? Sure.
19:57 David Imel? Yeah. So for the people that want like physical goods, that's really fun.
20:00 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
20:00 David Imel? Um, yeah, I think overall, this is a, this is a very good value. I think that The Verge in general has done a really fantastic job over the years at making a website that people still go to. Because over the last 10 years or so, social media sites have just become aggregators of news and information. And it's not very common anymore to actually go to a physical website to read an article. And so I personally go to The Verge like every single day. I think that they said that they had a lot of, they had a lot of people that go to the website every day.
20:31 Andrew Manganelli? I think it's like
20:32 David Imel? They're one of the
20:32 Andrew Manganelli? Half a million
20:33 David Imel? Yeah, like
20:33 Andrew Manganelli? Unique users or something like that.
20:35 David Imel? Half a million, something like that. Yeah. And they, so they've done a really good job evolving over the years already. And I think that this dynamic paywall is a very good in-between option. Because if they completely paywalled the site, they're stopping themselves from growing and just hoping that they get enough people that pay enough, but they're still limiting their reader base.
20:56 Andrew Manganelli? Sorry, 55,000 every single day this year.
20:59 David Imel? Right.
20:59 Andrew Manganelli? That is extremely different numbers, though. Those are vastly different.
21:02 David Imel? I mean, I've been, I've been in like deep in the forest where I didn't have data for multiple days this year. So I'm not one of those people, even though I consider myself like a superpower user of this website. So.
21:13 Andrew Manganelli? I know you're reading The Verge on that 13 mile hike.
21:15 David Imel? Yeah. It is actually kind of one of my tics, though. Like if you're bored in the doctor's office or something, like the few things that you do on your phone.
21:23 Andrew Manganelli? Verge it up.
21:24 David Imel? Refreshing The Verge is one of my things that I do.
21:26 Speaker 01 That's pretty funny.
21:27 David Imel? Yeah.
21:27 Andrew Manganelli? We didn't mention the price.
21:29 David Imel? Yes.
21:30 Speaker 01 So 50 bucks a year?
21:34 David Imel? It's 50 bucks a year.
21:35 Andrew Manganelli? We have some experience at that price point. Um, very different things. Seven bucks a month, though. $50 a year.
21:44 Speaker 01 Yeah.
21:45 Andrew Manganelli? I'll probably pay it.
21:46 Speaker 01 I'll bite. So this reminds me panels. A lot of things remind me of panels, obviously, because I help run panels. But the the two things that it reminds me most of are you're going to get a reaction when you make something paid that was previously free.
21:59 Andrew Manganelli? Totally.
21:59 Speaker 01 Totally get that. And it's just about whether or not you can justify the value to the people that actually care about that thing. So for us, it was like, we have a small pocket of the internet that we see likes art and will pay for art. So here's the product we made for them. And for them, here is a probably much larger, but a pocket of the internet that will see value in paid journalism and pay for it. You will get reactions of people who are like, a paywall? I'm not reading anymore. Like, that's going to be a thing.
22:27 Andrew Manganelli? For sure.
22:28 Speaker 01 And I totally get that. But I do think they've sort of structured it in a way where they can appropriately find the people willing by what you were saying, that dynamic paywall. People who read a lot, people who are on the site a lot, and sort of bring them to the way to support them that helps them make more good stuff.
22:42 Andrew Manganelli? I do really like this dynamic paywall idea because there's times where like, I hit up Bloomberg because there's like one specific article that I really and like, paying for that at that point is like, I don't know if I'm going to come back here again anytime soon. So this is like, and The Verge is probably one that I would get hit with the dynamic paywalls. So like, I will most likely be paying for The Verge.
23:02 Speaker 01 It really, that's, it's like a behavior thing. Like, if I read, like, I don't, here's pure honesty. I don't read Bloomberg very much, but when Mark Gurman tweets a link to the thing that he wrote on Bloomberg, I'm clicking in and reading Bloomberg that day. And if that thing is behind a paywall, that my first thought is always, I could pay for this one article, but I don't think I'm going to read Bloomberg that much, so never mind. Now, I happen to have an Apple News subscription that unlocks it, so that's not a dilemma I face very often. But I feel like a lot of people leave that article at that moment. And so the more things that you can have available for free, they probably thought a lot about this. The more people will trust and read The Verge and become power users of The Verge, and that's going to be good for them. So.
23:42 David Imel? Yeah.
23:42 Speaker 01 The other thing that you mentioned, which is like the SEO sort of shaping the actual content and the websites. I think about that a lot because YouTube is the same way. People try to figure out what the algorithm is rewarding and they tailor their content around that. And it kind of seems like no one is immune to that. And I wonder if there are YouTube channels that can just make whatever they think is best. And ideally, the algorithm serves it. And if there are similarly websites that don't think as much about SEO and just try to make the best stuff. But I don't know that that's much of a thing anymore.
24:21 David Imel? I think it's impossible to be completely immune from SEO and algorithms. But they are at least trying to make it so it is less incentivized by having a monthly revenue stream. So that they don't have to think about that.
24:37 Andrew Manganelli? I mean, I think everyone's the best practice in it is draw your line in the sand of like, where will I take? Like, what is maybe a best practice and where I'll incorporate that in? But I'm not going to lose my initial morals of what we want to want to do here. So that's probably the best way of doing it. And this is gonna, I mean, this is gonna help them. I do think they need like, they probably need to do this because if a bunch of the articles they write, if you are just asking a specific tech question, Google's probably gonna AI summer it. Probably straight from the verge and they're gonna lose that viewer every single time.
25:11 David Imel? And you'll break your device.
25:14 Andrew Manganelli? So, yeah, I mean, I think this is awesome. I'm interested to see how dynamic works. I'm interested to see how many days until dynamic pricing hits me and then I will start paying for the verge.
25:23 David Imel? Another cool thing is if you were already subscribed to one of the newsletters, those were $70 a year. So the day before this dropped, a lot of people got emails that were like, we refunded you $20 from your newsletter subscription. They were like, wait, what's happening? And so they actually got money back and got more stuff.
25:39 Speaker 01 That's cool.
25:40 David Imel? Which is very cool for those people.
25:41 Speaker 01 Power, power users.
25:42 David Imel? Power, power users, yes. So. Yeah, I don't know. I think it's, um, they've been changing really rapidly, like every year as the internet changes and I'm, I'm rooting for them. I hope that this works. So.
25:53 Speaker 01 Yeah. All right. Well, hey, there's one more thing that just came out, uh, this week as we're recording this Spotify Rapt is officially out. And it was funny because every year, everybody looks forward to Spotify Rapt and then it comes out and everyone goes, look at my thing. Look at how many minutes I listened. And it's all super fun. And I, every year I think, I kinda wanna know that about more than Spotify. I wanna know that about my YouTube watch history. I wanna know that about my life. I wanna, I wanna know all the, I wanna know all the stats. Don't you wanna know all the stats?
26:20 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, like what grocery store do you go to the most?
26:22 David Imel? If your car told you how many minutes you were driving.
26:25 Speaker 01 It probably could. Your car probably could.
26:27 David Imel? Definitely could.
26:28 Speaker 01 So I, I kinda, I thought about that. And I think YouTube Rewind, as it disappeared, had a perfect branding opportunity to bring it back. Show me what, how many channels I watched, which ones I watched the most, how many scrolls, how many, how far did my finger travel on my phone to scroll through shorts this year?
26:44 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, TikTok had that. It was like, you could have made it halfway to the moon.
26:48 Speaker 01 That would be awesome. And then I could flex how far I could scroll. It would be great. Um, but they didn't do that. But what somebody mentioned that was really interesting is there is like no switching off of YouTube. Like someone said, oh, what is Vimeo gonna do? Watched? And then people use Vimeo? It's like, no, people just watch YouTube no matter what. But Spotify, I saw people say that they continued to use Spotify because Rapt is so good. And I think that's real.
27:12 David Imel? That's crazy.
27:13 Speaker 01 And they're like, I don't wanna ruin my Rapt if I leave halfway through the year and start using something else. So it is, I found that interesting as well, that it's a competitive advantage for them.
27:20 Andrew Manganelli? Apple Music does it now, right?
27:22 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:22 Andrew Manganelli? It's a very similar thing. I believe they do something extremely similar.
27:25 David Imel? But it's not even nearly as detailed as Spotify. Spotify has so many features in Rapt, especially this year. They added a bunch of new stuff.
27:33 Speaker 01 Our podcast app, Pocket Casts, kinda does a version, they can't call it Rapt, but they do something else that's kinda similar.
27:39 David Imel? Yeah.
27:39 Speaker 01 I want that for everything, basically. So.
27:42 David Imel? Yeah. YouTube would be perfect. We talk about this every single year.
27:45 Speaker 01 Yeah.
27:46 David Imel? But it would be so perfect. I don't know why they haven't brought it back. They literally could keep the YouTube Rewind branding too.
27:51 Speaker 01 It's so, Neil, come on.
27:53 David Imel? Come on, man.
27:54 Speaker 01 Neil. Come on, man.
27:56 Speaker 04 I feel obligated to tell you, for us specifically, it wouldn't be as interesting as you think. Cause this morning, I downloaded all of my YouTube history and put it in. Someone made this app, like just on the website. If you Google it, like YouTube Rewind, whatever, you put in the JSON file and it tells you what channels you watch the most, what videos you watch the most, and it's all things that I was researching for work. Like, it's-
28:17 Speaker 01 I would still look that up.
28:19 David Imel? Really interesting.
28:20 Speaker 04 Marquez, MKBHD.
28:21 David Imel? The studio.
28:24 Speaker 01 Sure.
28:24 Speaker 04 All the things I'm looking for, B-roll.
28:26 Speaker 01 As a creator, it gives you viewership wrapped. They give you like, here's how many likes your video's got this year. Here's how many things, you know, they'll tell you some stuff, which is kinda cool, but yeah, I want that for everything.
28:38 David Imel? Yeah. So, they did add a lot of new features to Wrapped this year.
28:42 Speaker 01 They really did.
28:43 David Imel? So, we can go through some of them. This year, they actually teamed up with Google. And if you remember Notebook LM, which launched a few months ago, that's basically where you can put some documents into this Gemini thing. And they have these AI podcast hosts that basically talk about your files to you and like teach you things or whatever. I don't know why YouTube Music didn't use this, because that seems like it would have been a better collab, but okay. And so now, you can have these two podcast hosts basically just talk for five minutes about the music you listened to in your year.
29:19 Speaker 04 I did not do it. You listened to it?
29:20 Speaker 01 Yeah. It was pretty cringy, but here, I'll play-
29:23 Speaker 04 I was gonna say, wait, can we just play mine for a second, cause I didn't use it?
29:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, like, it really gives the classic-
29:29 Speaker 04 Does it play music or it just talks?
29:30 Speaker 01 No, it just talks.
29:31 Speaker 04 Okay, so we won't get copyright struck?
29:32 Speaker 01 We won't get copyright struck. Oh, something went wrong. Please try again later.
29:35 David Imel? Also, AI content cannot be copyrighted anyway.
29:38 Speaker 01 I'm in airplane mode, that's why.
29:39 Speaker 04 Oh, am I not still on the wifi, though?
29:42 Speaker 01 No, I turn on airplane mode to not have it interfere with the mic. Okay, Wrapped, your Wrapped AI podcast.
29:52 Speaker 06 Okay, let's unwrap this. It's time for your 2024 Spotify Wrapped and we're your hosts, visiting from Google's
30:00 Speaker 05 Why'd they make it breathe?
30:02 Speaker 06 We are here to take you on a musical journey through your year.
30:05 Speaker 07 Yeah, your year in sound and what a journey it has been.
30:09 Speaker 06 Thirty-seven thousand one hundred sixteen minutes listening to music.
30:13 Speaker 07 Wow, that's like listening to your entire wrapped playlist non-stop for over six days.
30:17 Speaker 06 That is amazing. That puts you in the top eight percent of Spotify listeners globally.
30:22 Speaker 07 You are dedicated.
30:23 Speaker 06 Very dedicated. You must really love music.
30:26 Speaker 07 June 20th must have been the white.
30:28 Andrew Manganelli? That is, it's just like, holy.
30:30 Speaker 04 Blazing you over.
30:31 Andrew Manganelli? But it's so much worse than I thought it was gonna be.
30:34 Speaker 01 It gets into personal things. It's like June 20th was your most listened day, 300 minutes. Were you road tripping that day? And most people go back on their calendar like, wow, I was. And it's like, you, you learn something about your music listening history and it's kinda cool that it sounds like people talking about you.
30:47 Andrew Manganelli? I thought that was terrible.
30:49 Speaker 01 I think people are gonna be into it.
30:50 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, I don't think it felt like a real conversation at all.
30:53 Speaker 01 I don't, I think it felt close enough that people would enjoy it because it sounds like it's a podcast about them. It's just good enough to be there and they're not gonna share it. They're not gonna, you know, post it anywhere, but they'll listen to it and be like, wow, yeah, that's cool.
31:06 David Imel? People like personalized things.
31:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
31:09 David Imel? And yeah, uh, so they also added this new playlist that you can listen to. They have a music evolution playlist that basically brings you through your music taste as the year progressed. So you like your top songs per month and then they have like your overall top songs as well. Uh, and then they released some global stats, which are not at all surprising and extremely boring, that the most streamed artist was Taylor Swift and then The Weeknd and then Bad Bunny and then Drake and then Billie Eilish.
31:38 Andrew Manganelli? Does The Weeknd still make?
31:39 David Imel? Yeah.
31:40 Andrew Manganelli? Am I that bad? He released a new album. I haven't heard of, from The Weeknd in so long.
31:45 Speaker 05 The same conversation.
31:46 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, did you? Okay. I thought you were making fun of me when you started laughing. I haven't heard of him since the Super Bowl.
31:51 Speaker 04 Cue the Weekend GIF.
31:52 Andrew Manganelli? Because he was saying how good the album was and I was like, he has a new album?
31:55 David Imel? Yeah.
31:55 Andrew Manganelli? Sorry, The Weeknd. I have nothing wrong, I have nothing against The Weeknd. I just haven't seen him since the Super Bowl.
32:00 Speaker 01 I just forget about the first half of the year at this point. Like it might have come out a while ago and I just don't remember, but.
32:05 David Imel? Cue the GIF of him like looking through things and it's Andrew looking for the Weekend album. Also, the most streamed song was Espresso, which by the way, there is a great Today Explained episode about how this was basically manufactured.
32:19 Andrew Manganelli? So how it's the most played song?
32:21 David Imel? Yeah, because it basically was auto-playing after like anything you would play for a long period of time and they were basically like, yeah, the music group paid to have that happen.
32:31 Speaker 01 I think I've heard that song.
32:33 Andrew Manganelli? You've definitely.
32:34 David Imel? You cannot go.
32:35 Andrew Manganelli? You've definitely heard that song. We've played it in the office, I'm pretty sure. It's a, it's a great song.
32:39 Speaker 01 I've probably heard it.
32:39 Andrew Manganelli? It's a good song.
32:40 Speaker 01 Um, most streamed album is Taylor Swift's Tortured Poets Department is the name of the album?
32:46 David Imel? Yeah, it's pretty, okay.
32:47 Speaker 01 I'm not a Swiftie, so this is news to me. Cool. Uh, and the top podcast was the Joe Rogan Experience. I guess that would be fair for Spotify to declare that, wouldn't it?
32:57 David Imel? Yeah, but I did some research. I actually did some independent, um, research into that and I found out that they were fudging the numbers and it's actually waveform.
33:06 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
33:07 Speaker 01 Oh, cause waveform I've heard of.
33:08 David Imel? Yeah, yeah, right. And if you haven't heard of it, then it doesn't exist.
33:11 Speaker 01 And they just had their big trivia extravaganza and they just did this like huge rerun that everyone was listening to. Obviously, that checks out.
33:18 David Imel? I will say, a lot of people, um, tweeted at us and were like, the Spotify rap thing is unfair because I watch the YouTube podcast every single week.
33:26 Speaker 01 Yeah, that's true.
33:27 David Imel? But it's not on my Spotify.
33:28 Speaker 01 Yeah, interesting.
33:29 Andrew Manganelli? If you do listen on Spotify and haven't watched Spotify wrapped, I think there's a special little treat if we're your number one.
33:36 David Imel? True. You don't even have to be the number one, cause you can go through all the low ones.
33:39 Andrew Manganelli? Well, I, I saw that and I, so I don't listen to podcasts much on Spotify, but that was for artists? Is there a podcast one where you can search through all your podcast things?
33:49 David Imel? Good question.
33:50 Speaker 01 Yeah, there is.
33:50 Andrew Manganelli? So there might not be. There is.
33:52 Speaker 01 And you have to be in the top X percent or of that artist's listeners, I believe. And then you might see something special.
33:59 David Imel? Well, I'd Sugar Ray on there, so.
34:01 Andrew Manganelli? So did I.
34:03 David Imel? Told you millennials are peak. We give you our data and we listen to Sugar A and it's a good time. All right, this is your opportunity. If you had a YouTube wrapped, what do you think would be in it? Whether it's a channel.
34:19 Andrew Manganelli? Let's just do most watched channel for 2025.
34:22 David Imel? Single channel?
34:23 Andrew Manganelli? Single channel that you think you watched the most of.
34:25 David Imel? 2025?
34:26 Speaker 04 2024.
34:27 Andrew Manganelli? Thank you. That's why we ain't running it.
34:30 David Imel? Mine's probably the daily show.
34:31 Speaker 05 I'm gonna go first.
34:33 David Imel? Which I feel bad about, but yeah.
34:34 Speaker 05 I think my most watched channel of 2024 is a channel called Ants Canada.
34:42 Andrew Manganelli? I've heard of that, actually.
34:44 Speaker 05 Probably because you said it. Ants Canada is this guy who doesn't live in Canada.
34:51 David Imel? Six and a half million subs.
34:52 Speaker 05 Who has like this giant rainforest vivarium that's like almost self sustaining. He has to like add stuff every now and then. And the only reason it's my most watched channel is because he puts out a 40 minute video multiple times a week that I watch all of every single time. This dude is like the master of taking something I could not possibly care about, which is bugs, and making me just like care so deeply about his bugs.
35:18 Andrew Manganelli? Every one of his thumbnails is the exact same thumbnail.
35:20 Speaker 05 He's crazy. He, he is so algorithmically cranked and like to just be a retention maxing psychopath. But.
35:30 David Imel? A war broke out in my giant rainforest vivarium.
35:33 Speaker 05 But if you want to watch some sick, sick content, there's a, there's a crocodile in there.
35:42 David Imel? Wow.
35:43 Speaker 05 I know. It's a crazy vivarium. Anyway.
35:45 David Imel? I found mine.
35:45 Speaker 05 Thank you, Ants Canada, for making my year.
35:48 David Imel? His video called My Fire Ants Are Planning An Escape has 46 million views.
35:52 Andrew Manganelli? Dude.
35:54 Speaker 01 It is a 15 minute video.
35:56 Speaker 05 Dude, you gotta, everyone should go watch Ants Canada. It's, it's sick. What?
36:02 Speaker 01 The next most viewed video is I gave fire ants a chicken head and it's a dead chicken with fire ants eating it.
36:10 Andrew Manganelli? Jesus.
36:11 Speaker 01 Cockroach giving birth while being devoured by fire ants, 15 million.
36:16 Speaker 05 Look, it's lit. It's lit. I don't know what to tell you guys. I think we should, Ants Canada.
36:22 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, who's next? Adam?
36:24 David Imel? Unhinged.
36:26 Speaker 04 I had one very recently, um, that you put me onto. It was Epic Spaceman.
36:32 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
36:32 Speaker 04 I just.
36:33 Andrew Manganelli? He already turned into your most watched. That was like two weeks ago.
36:36 Speaker 04 There's like 10 videos. I watched them all like twice.
36:39 Speaker 01 Yeah, they're all really.
36:40 Speaker 04 I was just sitting in bed, next, next.
36:43 Speaker 01 Did you have a favorite one?
36:45 Speaker 04 I think my favorite one was, I forget which video it was, but the analogy he used was the solar system on your fingertips.
36:52 Speaker 01 Hmm.
36:53 Speaker 04 It's like, that is the scale compared to the continental United States. It was like, it was crazy.
36:58 Speaker 01 Yeah. Scale of the Universe videos are, that's a genre that I definitely watch a lot of, I would say. That's a good one. I think though, mine actually, I watched a lot of YouTube golf this year. There was just a lot of good stuff happening. And the thing about YouTube golf is, there's a lot of collabs and there's a lot of really long videos because a round of golf takes a long time. And they just watch, they just film the whole thing. So like Good Good Golf will do, uh, a, a match play event or something, a 2v2. And it'll be an hour and a half video and I'll watch it and I'll be eating and I'll finish what I'm eating and I'll just watch the rest of it. It's just two hours right there. So, uh, I'd say, yeah, YouTube golf in general, one of those, one of those channels, whether it's Grant or, or GM Golf or something like that.
37:42 Speaker 01 They, they were killing it this year. Yeah.
37:44 Andrew Manganelli? Mine's also golf. Disc golf.
37:47 Speaker 01 Hmm.
37:48 Andrew Manganelli? It's like all I watch on YouTube at this point.
37:51 Speaker 01 Probably.
37:51 Andrew Manganelli? They're pretty long. They're a little more cut down, like 25 minutes maybe. I think the only reason, Bodanza Disc Golf is probably the most because he just posted so much and like every single day I could basically watch some, but yeah. That's, if you like Disc Golf, you probably know who he is already though, so it doesn't really matter.
38:08 Speaker 01 Yeah.
38:09 Andrew Manganelli? How about you?
38:09 Speaker 01 I unfortunately just drown myself in political commentary in the evenings. And don't really watch a lot of.
38:16 Andrew Manganelli? Did something happen this year?
38:16 Speaker 01 Regular YouTube. Uh, no, no.
38:20 Speaker 01 Okay.
38:20 David Imel? But, um, yeah, that's kind of it. I don't know. There's a, like, there's probably a few new channels that I've found this year.
38:27 Speaker 01 Yeah. I just went through my YouTube subscription tab and just like.
38:31 David Imel? Can you sort by recently subscribed?
38:33 Speaker 01 That I don't think you can do, but you can go to the list of subscriptions and I think it's in recency order. I might be wrong about that, but.
38:42 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, I thought, when you did it, it's most recent new video. Oh, no.
38:47 David Imel? Oh, yeah. It's new activity, not most recently subscribed.
38:50 Speaker 01 Gotcha. Yeah. Some good stuff. Hey, we, we have talked a lot without taking a break. We should take a quick break. When we come back, we have obviously a game to play and some other news to cover, but this begins a new season of Waveform Trivia. Zero, zero. Ayo.
39:12 Speaker 05 Welcome back to another season of Waveform Trivia.
39:17 Speaker 01 We don't know which season.
39:18 Speaker 05 We really don't.
39:19 Speaker 01 A new season.
39:20 Speaker 05 We lost track so long ago, but, uh, we've got some piping hot questions. The first of which is, uh, so we were talking about Cyber Monday earlier. We all love Cyber Monday. What was the first year where the Monday after Thanksgiving was referred to as Cyber Monday? And we're doing Price is Right rules.
39:43 David Imel? Oh.
39:44 Speaker 05 Closest without going over, over being later chronologically.
39:49 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
39:49 Speaker 01 1855.
39:50 Speaker 05 1855. Yeah. When, uh, who's president? That doesn't matter.
40:00 Andrew Manganelli? Is that right?
40:00 Speaker 01 No, no.
40:01 Andrew Manganelli? Minus one point from our guest.
40:04 Speaker 01 We all have zero.
40:05 David Imel? Herbert Hoover.
40:06 Speaker 01 And we'll think about it.
40:07 Speaker 05 I love the idea of the term Cyber Monday predating the invention of the computer.
40:12 Andrew Manganelli? That would be awesome.
40:13 Speaker 01 That'd be sick. The internet came after.
40:15 Speaker 05 It refers to the, the mahogany wood of the cyber tree, like.
40:21 Speaker 01 No, we will, we will think about that. That's a good one. And, uh, answers will be at the end like usual. We'll be right back.
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42:04 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back. So a little bit of throwback, but also return to today slash this week. Jaguar. Jaguar did a thing again. You remember like two or three episodes ago when we reacted to that ad that came out with? I actually think we had some pretty interesting nuanced thoughts about like what Jaguar could be up to. Anyway, they've announced and unveiled now a concept car to go with this new rebranding effort that they're going through. And how do I say this? It's gotten some reactions because it's very unique looking.
42:42 Andrew Manganelli? I think red flag immediately is announcing that we're first gonna see a new car at Miami Art Week. There was never going to be anything good coming out of announcing something at Art Week. I don't even know what Miami Art Week is, but there's so many different cars, shows, and like, events.
42:59 Speaker 05 Yes, however, most, if not all, luxury car brands have stopped exhibiting at those worldwide, anyway. Like, like Aston, Bentley, like, they all only exhibit new cars at, like, yacht shows now, because they know that's where people who would spend the money on that, like, yeah. So it does fit into an industry practice. Also, I was gonna say, can we start calling it the Cyber Jag?
43:24 Speaker 01 Yeah, it doesn't, yeah. Can we, should we describe this car for audio listeners? Yeah. So, okay, first of all, first of all, first of all, first of all, it's a concept car. This is not a real car, that it has a price tag or any specs or anything like that. This is a concept car, so it's a design that Jaguar is unveiling to associate with their new rebranding image. That's number one. So this isn't a real car, but it's called the Type 00, and this concept has no door handles, no rearview mirrors, all the classic not-real-car stuff. However, they could ship a car that looks similar to the silhouette, which I would describe as a Cyber Loafer. So, let's get into it.
43:57 Andrew Manganelli? I think Rocket League car.
43:58 Speaker 01 Rocket League car is good. It's kind of a Hot Wheel, sorta. Big wheels, long hood, low-sloping roofline, two doors.
44:09 Andrew Manganelli? Extremely long front.
44:10 Speaker 01 Really, really, really long front. It looks like a Cybertruck and a Lincoln had a child.
44:16 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah. And it was pink?
44:19 Speaker 01 And it was pink. Yes, there's, so they've had this flagship pink version. There's a couple of other colors that they've shown in renders, but the pink one is the one that we have footage of. Miles got some good footage of it for autofocus. And it is a fully-electric car, that's the other thing. So no tailpipes, it'll have a battery down there, and this is part of Jaguar's huge, again, they're rebranding as a company, but they're also sort of rebooting as a car company and are just making EVs now, or they plan to.
44:46 Andrew Manganelli? So here's what they said. They said Type 00 is, the name references both zero emissions and its position as the first in a new lineage. So are we assuming lineage is the complete? Path or this is just a new tree branch that's falling off?
45:01 Speaker 01 TBD. So like this is the first new thing in a while and does that mean they are stopping making their other cars? Probably not, but I anticipate they will make more electric stuff after this. This is just the first one, the flagship one, the concept one to start it off. The interior uh looks like a lot of those CES concepts.
45:20 Andrew Manganelli? The most CES ass thing I've ever seen.
45:22 Speaker 01 If there's, I don't think I see any uh armrests or door handles or pedals, but there is a steering wheel and there is two seats and a bunch of modern materials and sleek lines and LEDs and screens.
45:33 Andrew Manganelli? The last time I saw an interior like this was a at CES, it was like the BMW. What was that like kind of small hatchback car we filmed?
45:44 Speaker 01 Oh, the, not the EQXX.
45:45 Andrew Manganelli? No, it was like a, I mean, probably like 2020 when we went or 2019. And the interior looked like this and you sat in the back and I filmed you and you're like, okay, let's get the other side. And they're like, don't scoot across. The middle's a piece of cardboard.
45:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, it was.
45:58 Andrew Manganelli? Like it was.
45:59 Speaker 01 Yes. So there's this thing that a lot of car companies do where they will build on one hand, a functional prototype of a car and on the other hand, they will build a, a design finished version of the car. And then they will sort of meet in the middle after some years of development. So if they want to show people what the car will look like, they will build a non-functioning, but aesthetically accurate version of the car and they'll show that off at the car shows and Fashion Week or whatever. And you can even open the door and sit in it, but it doesn't drive. And please don't sit in the middle and don't pull the steering wheel too hard because this thing is glued together. And then they have a functional prototype, which is okay, we have the battery, we have the stuff and it's just not, it doesn't look like the car is supposed to look. That's kind of how this works.
46:42 Andrew Manganelli? Wasn't there a Hummer EV we got way before production where they're like, this version, you have to park it in the shade because like the steering wheel might melt or something.
46:51 Speaker 01 They said, yeah, like the paint.
46:52 Andrew Manganelli? I think it was, I think it was like the glue that was holding on some of the like, um, yeah.
46:57 Speaker 01 Yeah, we've, I've, I've done videos about cars in various parts of the stage. I remember back in the Faraday Future days, I got to do one video with both. It had, they showed me the, the driving prototype separately from the aesthetic prototype. And I got to see, okay, now imagine if they were the same car. That's kind of how it goes. Um, this one is just, yeah, Jaguar's aesthetic concept.
47:20 Speaker 01 Some people kinda like it. I don't know if it has the strongest sentiment score right now, but it's out there. It's different. It's definitely different. I think that's what they're going for.
47:30 Andrew Manganelli? I think it's easy to go diff- different in a concept car is like, let's get everyone talking about us. And now like, it's probably going to look way less-
47:39 Speaker 01 Pink.
47:41 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, or like, standing out from a crowd. I don't know how to say, like purposely-
47:46 Speaker 01 It is a head turner.
47:46 Andrew Manganelli? It's a head turner for sure.
47:48 Speaker 01 Like, what is that?
47:49 Andrew Manganelli? And then when I turned my head back, I would be laughing.
47:52 Speaker 01 It's interesting, because that's, so I wonder about this. The Cybertruck kinda went through the same thing. Online was one reaction, and in person was a totally different reaction. And I'm reading all the online reactions, and it's very slanted in one direction, but I think if you drove this thing into a ShopRite parking lot right now, people will walk over and be like, "Ooh, what is this? This looks cool. Tell me about this. How much is it?" Like, I think this would get that. So, I don't know. It's gonna have to have a price tag eventually. Like, they're gonna have to sell a real car someday, but, yeah. Also, I have a theory about this whole thing.
48:23 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
48:24 Speaker 01 I think Jaguar, when they started to make their rebrand this whole thing, they've been frustratingly not changing their target demographic for so long, that I think that the mission behind this was do absolutely nothing the same as the previous cars.
48:39 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
48:39 Speaker 01 Not the font, not the size, not the shape, not the angle.
48:43 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
48:44 Speaker 01 Not a single thing can be the same as before.
48:47 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
48:47 Speaker 01 I think that was the mission. Because the old brand doesn't really tell you, tell young people anything. Like, young people have no perception of what the Jaguar brand meant to them at all. So because of that, they're like, well, young people know the name Jaguar, they know it's a car brand, but they don't have any association with what that means. So they're able to like, leverage the existing brand, brand name, but they can give it a completely new identity and not really ruin anything.
49:16 Andrew Manganelli? That's fair.
49:17 Speaker 01 So, I'm trying to see if there's any other specs, because there was an event, and there was a CEO on stage, and I think they said something about 1,000 horsepower, so I just wanna find it.
49:26 Speaker 05 Why's the hood so big?
49:27 Speaker 01 For the vibes.
49:28 Speaker 05 Aesthetics. I don't know.
49:30 Speaker 01 Maybe there are cars-
49:31 Speaker 05 That'd be like a huge frunk.
49:34 Andrew Manganelli? Be a coffin frunk.
49:36 Speaker 05 It'd be like a hot tub frunk.
49:38 Speaker 01 That would be sick. Okay, so there is a little bit of spec talk for this concept car. The grand tour will have a WLTP range of 478 miles.
49:50 David Imel? That seems like a lot and probably will not happen.
49:53 Andrew Manganelli? That's because it's WLTP.
49:54 Speaker 01 It's WLTP, but it's also probably not going to happen. But hey, we will see. There's no word on the battery capacity required to achieve this. There's, but a charging speed of 200 miles added in 15 minutes with the right charger is another one of the promises. It will be at least $125,000 ish, which is about double the price of the average Jaguar transaction. But again, this is all new.
50:19 Speaker 01 And is there a date? Okay, I'm looking for a date.
50:22 Andrew Manganelli? I thought last time we read this, it said end of 2026. I remember the date we were saying was quite a ways out from.
50:32 Speaker 01 Yeah, Jaguar said it would end production of all internal combustion cars by early 2026. No, that's all right. No, no, this, this year.
50:42 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, I don't remember.
50:43 Speaker 01 Dang. Wait, sorry, I'm reading this too fast. The on sale date of the new Jaguar has been delayed by a year and having said it would end production of all internal combustion engine cars this year. They said it this year, but not by this year. That this car will come out sometime after that. Interesting.
51:00 Andrew Manganelli? That was a lot of ways of saying, we have no idea what this car is coming.
51:03 Speaker 01 Yeah.
51:04 David Imel? Yeah.
51:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, you know, it's a concept car. So I think I take all these things a little bit more lightly, but at least we have an aesthetic now.
51:11 David Imel? Yeah, it is different.
51:13 Speaker 01 It's different.
51:14 David Imel? I'll go with that. I don't think it looks horrible.
51:15 Andrew Manganelli? They could finish rendering it. It might look sweet.
51:19 David Imel? Yeah, did two passes. Need about 8,000 more passes.
51:23 Speaker 01 It has like a Rolls Royce type of characteristic going on. I think it's like the Spectre. Remember the Spectre? It has a little bit of that too.
51:30 David Imel? Yeah. I don't hate it. I'll say that.
51:35 Speaker 01 We shall see.
51:36 David Imel? Cool. In other car news, people have been begging Tesla to make an Apple Watch version of their app for literally a zillion years.
51:46 Andrew Manganelli? Serious question. Have they?
51:47 David Imel? Yes.
51:48 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
51:49 David Imel? Okay. Moving on.
51:51 Speaker 01 I have been.
51:52 Andrew Manganelli? It makes sense.
51:53 David Imel? Yeah, and it's like, yeah, it very much makes sense. So, last week, this is probably related, actually, it's definitely related. Last week, Tesla pulled a Reddit and started charging a bunch of money for their API, which basically forced a bunch of third-party Tesla apps to shut down, of which I didn't yet not even know that there were third-party Tesla apps, but there apparently were, and they were very popular.
52:16 Speaker 01 There were a few.
52:17 David Imel? One of the most popular ones, the person that is developing it stated it would cause, cost them $1 million a year to keep running it. So, yeah. They basically Sherlocked it because with this holiday update that they do every year, they released an Apple Watch version of the app. You can have phone key access, which means you can walk up to it and it'll unlock, give you charge stats, you can pop the frunk, remotely warm the car, you can view dash cam and sentry mode recordings from your phone and save them quickly remotely.
52:46 Speaker 01 That's huge. I love that feature.
52:49 David Imel? You can also now set in a rival energy, which lets you tell the car how much power you want to have when you arrive, so that it dynamically changes how long you should charge at the superchargers, which is useful. I drove to Pennsylvania this weekend, and I got there at extremely cold, extremely middle of the woods, with 10% charge remaining on my car, and I was fairly nervous. Luckily, I was able to plug in my car to the house. Again, it still only added like 13%, but if I hadn't been able to do that, that would have been scary. So that would have been useful. And then there's some other improvements. So, yeah, at least there's an Apple Watch app now.
53:26 Andrew Manganelli? And those all sound great. It's funny that you say they pulled a Reddit, because Reddit pulled a Twitter, and we've just gone full circle at this point.
53:34 David Imel? Good point. Good point.
53:35 Speaker 01 Everything's copying X. That's crazy.
53:38 David Imel? Yeah. Yeah.
53:40 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:40 David Imel? Mercedes also released an Apple Watch app this week, so.
53:44 Speaker 01 Which is nice.
53:45 David Imel? Seems like everyone's getting on it.
53:46 Andrew Manganelli? Subaru too?
53:47 Speaker 01 Well, they already had one, right?
53:49 Speaker 05 No, for Apple Watch.
53:50 Andrew Manganelli? No, their phone app sucks.
53:52 Speaker 01 Yeah.
53:53 Andrew Manganelli? There's no way. And they don't have key phone key entry that I know of.
53:57 Speaker 01 They don't.
53:58 Andrew Manganelli? Not in the app.
53:59 Speaker 01 Not a lot of cars do.
54:00 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think so.
54:01 Speaker 01 There's only a few that do. Like, the Polestar did, which is nice. Oh, just a few, a few do it and it's convenient. The watch key, that's very convenient.
54:08 Speaker 05 Yeah.
54:08 Speaker 01 You're just wearing a watch, you walk up to the car and you're still.
54:10 Andrew Manganelli? Rivian should do that because they have that bracelet, which kind of wants to do the same thing. But I don't want to wear an extra bracelet. Like, if it's just on my watch. It would be sweet if they did it for Garmin. Also, Rivian, coming from someone who doesn't own a Rivian.
54:24 Speaker 05 But.
54:25 Speaker 01 But a Garmin.
54:26 Speaker 05 If you're not driving your Rivian, how else will people know you have a Rivian? If you're not wearing the special bracelet.
54:31 Speaker 01 That's true.
54:33 Andrew Manganelli? It's fair.
54:33 Speaker 01 You just have a Patagonia jacket on.
54:35 Andrew Manganelli? Neck tattoo. Yeah. Patagonia fleece vest.
54:42 Speaker 01 You exclaim, "I'm from Colorado anywhere you go."
54:45 Speaker 05 I saw, I saw two Rivian R1Ts driven by people who did not know each other, like, next to each other at a red light when I was in Detroit.
54:56 Andrew Manganelli? How do you know they didn't know each other?
54:58 Speaker 05 Because I saw, because they turned on to the red light from separate directions. And I was like.
55:02 Speaker 01 They might have known each other.
55:04 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, you can't know that.
55:05 Speaker 01 In Detroit?
55:06 Andrew Manganelli? Those two people are listening right now and they're like, "That was my brother."
55:10 Speaker 05 That would have to be like a coordinated meetup.
55:12 Speaker 01 That'd be sick.
55:13 Andrew Manganelli? They're both, when was this? This was during Thanksgiving, right? Both live in the same town, going to the other, a different family member's house.
55:21 Speaker 01 Definitely.
55:21 Speaker 05 No, because this was in downtown Detroit. No one lives there.
55:25 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know enough about Detroit to continue this story. I just want you to be wrong.
55:30 Speaker 01 Detroit is cold. Detroit is cold this time of year. And I think an all-wheel-drive EV makes sense in Detroit. And I can see it.
55:37 Speaker 05 It was cold and having four-wheel-drive electric torque grip.
55:42 Speaker 01 Helps.
55:43 Speaker 05 Boy, it doesn't.
55:44 Speaker 01 It helps. That's crazy. Well, yeah. The other thing about being in Detroit, because the last time I was there, I was close enough to GM's HQ, that you would just see tons of random new GM vehicles and kind of wonder if these people all are testing them or if they work for GM driving company vehicles. It's just kind of a vibe where like they are all over the city. Something I noticed. I hope I never go back. Anyway.
56:09 Speaker 05 We're sorry, people of Detroit.
56:12 Speaker 01 It was way outside of Detroit. It was really miserable to get there.
56:15 Speaker 05 Oh.
56:16 Speaker 01 Yeah, okay. So yeah, great. They have the the Apple Watch apps for the for the cars. You can get into your car. Shout out to the people with those new cars. Great.
56:24 David Imel? Cool.
56:25 Speaker 01 You want to do trivia again?
56:26 Speaker 04 Yeah, let's do it.
56:27 David Imel? Yeah.
56:27 Speaker 04 Trivia time.
56:30 Speaker 01 That's way better.
56:33 Speaker 04 Trivia, dude. So Jaguar isn't only the name of a car company.
56:38 David Imel? It's also the name of a cat.
56:39 Speaker 04 It's also a big cat specifically. And the processor inside the PS4 Pro. The Jaguar processor inside the PS4 Pro was made by what company?
56:52 David Imel? Get wrecked.
56:53 Andrew Manganelli? It'd be sick it was made by Jaguar.
56:56 Speaker 01 We're pivoting. It's really slow. Wow. Okay, yeah.
57:02 David Imel? I didn't know it was called Jaguar.
57:03 Speaker 01 Yeah, I didn't know that either. Well, I'll make a guess.
57:08 Speaker 01 And that'll be at the end, like usual. We'll be right back.
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59:09 Speaker 01 All right, welcome back to our third and final segment. And video listeners, video listeners, video watchers have already noticed something's different. So, audio listeners, let me just fill you in. Ellis is sitting where Andrew was sitting.
59:21 Speaker 05 Let's go. Whoa.
59:24 Speaker 01 And Andrew is sitting where Ellis was sitting.
59:27 Andrew Manganelli? I thought I was smart.
59:30 Speaker 01 So, this must mean something's happening. Andrew, explain, take it away.
59:34 Andrew Manganelli? So, we have a little game to play. This game is 100% stolen from a podcast I was listening to the other day. So, shout out the Griplock Podcast, it's a disc golf podcast. But I thought it was pretty fun and I thought it could be turned into a tech thing.
59:46 Speaker 01 Okay.
59:46 Andrew Manganelli? So, explaining this, it's a little complicated, I'll try my best. The goal of this game is you guys want to find the most expensive thing sold on eBay in the category that we are going to give you. The way it works is we're gonna have three rounds. In each round, you have a set number of keywords you're allowed to use. So, we're gonna do the first round, you have three keywords. The second round, you have four keywords. The fifth round, you have five keywords. So, what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna give you a category. You are gonna give me three words in the first round to type into eBay to try and find the most expensive item being sold on eBay.
1:00:24 Speaker 05 Okay, but are we, we're not allowed to order our search results by?
1:00:28 Andrew Manganelli? No, no, you guys aren't gonna go on eBay at all. So, what's gonna happen is, I'm gonna give you the category. You're gonna tell me the three words to type in. I will type them in and then I'll tell you to pick a number between 1 and 10 and I will pick that in the sold listing of eBay. Does that make sense?
1:00:42 Speaker 05 Oh, so.
1:00:42 Speaker 01 Why, isn't that just kinda chaotic?
1:00:46 Speaker 05 Wait, so we give you the keywords?
1:00:47 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:00:49 Speaker 01 So you're gonna give us a category?
1:00:51 Andrew Manganelli? Sure, so I'm gonna give you an example here.
1:00:53 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:00:53 Andrew Manganelli? Here's the other twist.
1:00:54 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:00:54 Andrew Manganelli? Once a keyword's used, it cannot be used again by anybody.
1:00:57 Speaker 05 Okay, I think I'm starting to understand.
1:00:59 Speaker 01 I get to use military, okay.
1:01:01 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, no, here's, so, here's an example. Adam and I've thought of, if the category is computers, and you have three keywords, someone might tell me to type in MacBook Pro M4.
1:01:13 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:01:13 Andrew Manganelli? So I'm gonna type in MacBook Pro M4, I'm going to go to the sold things under that search, and then I'll say, pick a number between 1 and 10, you pick 3, I pick the third listing, and I say, that sold for $500.
1:01:24 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:01:24 Andrew Manganelli? So you have 500.
1:01:25 Speaker 01 Oh, it's just random.
1:01:26 Speaker 05 If Marquez uses a keyword, I can't use that.
1:01:28 Andrew Manganelli? None of you can use keywords, so no one at that point can use MacBook Pro or M4.
1:01:33 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:01:34 Andrew Manganelli? For the rest of all of the rounds.
1:01:35 Speaker 05 I have one more really annoying question.
1:01:38 Andrew Manganelli? Good.
1:01:39 Speaker 05 Can a keyword be like a compound, or does it have to be like literally a single word?
1:01:45 Andrew Manganelli? You, can you give me an example?
1:01:47 Speaker 05 MacBook. No.
1:01:48 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:01:49 Speaker 05 Because then they'll steal it.
1:01:51 Speaker 01 MacBook is one word.
1:01:53 Speaker 05 Like, if they, like, yeah, like, like, for example, like, a keyword could be, what's something that I would never use?
1:02:00 Speaker 01 You're thinking of claw grip, or like?
1:02:02 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:02:02 Speaker 01 Something that has like a modifier?
1:02:04 Andrew Manganelli? That's how it's generally, you can't tell me like?
1:02:06 Speaker 05 I've heard enough.
1:02:07 Andrew Manganelli? Throwing all of them with no spaces counts as one word, and you know eBay will fix it, that you cannot do.
1:02:12 Speaker 05 I'm ready.
1:02:13 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so, we'll start, I think the first round will be a good introduction into it, you get one keyword for each round, but you're losing all of the keywords people have used.
1:02:22 Speaker 05 I get it.
1:02:22 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so the category for all three rounds is just phones, we're searching for phones being sold on eBay, they have to be a singular phone, it can't be a lot of phones, so if for some reason the one you pick, like if you pick number 3 and it comes up, and it's like 10 iPhones, I'll just pick the one after it, that's a singular iPhone.
1:02:42 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:02:43 Andrew Manganelli? Does this make sense to everybody?
1:02:45 Speaker 05 How many, I'm giving you three keywords.
1:02:46 Andrew Manganelli? For the first one's gonna be 3.
1:02:47 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:02:48 Speaker 01 So, okay.
1:02:50 Speaker 05 Can I go first?
1:02:51 Andrew Manganelli? Well, you guys can decide who goes first.
1:02:53 Speaker 01 Yeah, is it just in order, or do we use buzzers?
1:02:55 Speaker 05 We should have some sort of fair, fair determination.
1:02:58 Speaker 01 I have a number written down on my computer right now.
1:03:00 Speaker 05 Okay.
1:03:01 Speaker 01 Okay. Whoever gets closest without going over goes first.
1:03:03 Speaker 05 Oh, without going over?
1:03:06 Speaker 01 Between 0 and 20. Between, without going over? Yes.
1:03:11 David Imel? Sixteen.
1:03:13 Speaker 01 Seven.
1:03:14 David Imel? Ellis, what is your number?
1:03:15 Speaker 05 Hold on, I'm looking into his soul. I know this man so well.
1:03:20 Speaker 05 I know him so well that I know for a fact-
1:03:21 David Imel? Say twenty.
1:03:22 Speaker 05 He picked the number four.
1:03:26 Andrew Manganelli? The winner is Marquez.
1:03:27 Speaker 05 Damn.
1:03:28 Andrew Manganelli? The number was fourteen.
1:03:30 Speaker 05 Oh, I knew it.
1:03:32 David Imel? Why don't we have a good delta?
1:03:33 Speaker 05 Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
1:03:35 Andrew Manganelli? So it's Marquez goes first.
1:03:37 David Imel? Alright.
1:03:38 Andrew Manganelli? Then Ellis, then David.
1:03:40 Speaker 01 So, I want to max, I want the highest priced phone.
1:03:43 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, just real quick, three keywords. You're going first so you can say anything. We'll say the word "phone" can be used by anyone as many times as they want, if you want that to be one of your keywords.
1:03:55 Speaker 01 Okay. Gold plated new. That's it? And gold plated, I assume is two words?
1:04:04 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, hold on, I'm gonna... It needs to bring up a phone. I'm not putting it in the category, and if it's not going to...
1:04:12 Speaker 01 Okay, so phone is, oh, I see, I see.
1:04:14 David Imel? Gold plated new phone.
1:04:15 Andrew Manganelli? That's four.
1:04:16 David Imel? Yeah, but didn't you say you could use phone as many times as you want?
1:04:18 Andrew Manganelli? It counts as one of your words.
1:04:20 Speaker 05 Well, I would argue gold plated is one keyword.
1:04:23 Speaker 01 That's what I was hoping.
1:04:24 Speaker 05 That's kinda what I was kinda going for.
1:04:26 Speaker 01 Gold new phone. How about just gold new phone?
1:04:30 David Imel? Gold new phone.
1:04:31 Speaker 01 Yeah. Now, it's not gonna be gold plated, so I need to think what number to pick. Which one would be?
1:04:36 David Imel? Number?
1:04:37 Speaker 01 Gold, cuz like the first one's just gonna be a phone with like, it's a cheap phone with like a gold case or something. I wanna pick like the, gimme the number four.
1:04:46 Speaker 05 Just put some dollar signs in there.
1:04:49 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so.
1:04:50 David Imel? Dollar, dollar.
1:04:52 David Imel? Uh oh.
1:04:53 Andrew Manganelli? I'm going to give you number five because four isn't a phone.
1:04:57 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:04:58 Andrew Manganelli? Number four is two angry bird plushies.
1:05:03 Andrew Manganelli? How?
1:05:03 Speaker 05 So does that count? Or does that?
1:05:04 Andrew Manganelli? No, I'm just gonna give him. I'm always gonna go one down if it's not inside of the category. I want this to still be tech related and still show tech things. So you have an Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max just in gold. It's not gold plated, but still good. Sold for $690.
1:05:21 Speaker 05 Nice. Okay.
1:05:22 Andrew Manganelli? They listed this at $1,600. iPhone 13 Pro Max, one terabyte.
1:05:28 Speaker 05 How, what was the price?
1:05:30 Andrew Manganelli? $699.
1:05:31 Speaker 05 All right.
1:05:31 David Imel? So that's pretty good.
1:05:32 Speaker 05 Guys, I hate to break it to you. I secretly suspect that I'm about to be the Barry Bonds of this game. Bringing up ridiculous numbers.
1:05:38 Andrew Manganelli? Yesterday, Adam and I went over this. We went back and then you two were looking at stuff on eBay. And David's like, you have to search the sold function of it. And we're like talking about this and Adam and I were just staring at each other.
1:05:49 David Imel? Did you know how to do it?
1:05:50 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:05:51 David Imel? Okay, I've always done that. Yeah.
1:05:52 Speaker 05 All right.
1:05:55 Speaker 05 Will you let me use inbox as one keyword?
1:06:00 Andrew Manganelli? That's what I said yesterday. That was my example. It's two words.
1:06:03 Speaker 05 That's two words? Okay, then I'm gonna, my first word is going to be mint. My second word is going to be original. And my third word is going to be motherfucking iPhone.
1:06:14 Andrew Manganelli? That was my exact example.
1:06:17 David Imel? That's pretty.
1:06:18 Andrew Manganelli? All right.
1:06:20 David Imel? That's pretty insane.
1:06:21 Speaker 05 What number? Number one.
1:06:22 David Imel? You could strike out with a number.
1:06:24 Speaker 05 Oh, no, I didn't like that look. I did not like that look. That was bad.
1:06:29 Andrew Manganelli? iPhone 15 Pro Max, original silicone case.
1:06:32 Speaker 05 No!
1:06:33 Andrew Manganelli? $15.
1:06:35 Speaker 05 Oh, is a phone in a case?
1:06:36 Andrew Manganelli? It's not in a case. It's still a tech related. The other thing was an angry bird plushy.
1:06:41 Speaker 05 Okay, what's, what was number two?
1:06:44 Andrew Manganelli? I'm going all the way down to try and find a phone. Here we go. Okay, you can buy an original iPhone 2G for $23.
1:06:54 David Imel? Good luck Barry Bonds.
1:06:55 Speaker 01 Barry Bonds didn't always hit a homerun. He whiffed a few and then he cranks them out of the park. He's still got time.
1:07:00 David Imel? You know, one of the most famous people from my high school was the personal trainer for Barry Bonds.
1:07:06 Speaker 04 That's the easiest job in the world.
1:07:08 David Imel? So the analogy is that I'm about to be your personal trainer.
1:07:13 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, hold on. Let's real quick before you do that. I think the case should have counted because it's still phone related and in the phone category. Well, no, no. So let's just go from now on if it's in within the phone category. Cause you have to be specific about what you're searching for here and vague doesn't always help.
1:07:31 David Imel? Can I just say pixel nine fold? And you can number three.
1:07:36 Andrew Manganelli? All of those and none of those words have been used yet.
1:07:38 David Imel? Pixel nine fold.
1:07:40 Andrew Manganelli? Okay. And number three.
1:07:42 Speaker 04 David won.
1:07:43 David Imel? It's gonna be used one with a broken screen.
1:07:46 Andrew Manganelli? You got pretty unlucky here.
1:07:49 Andrew Manganelli? Google pixel fold, five 12 gigabytes, $173.
1:07:53 David Imel? You put nine fold?
1:07:55 Andrew Manganelli? Well.
1:07:56 David Imel? Yeah, somebody put that in their tags.
1:07:58 Andrew Manganelli? Just a pixel fold came up. Right above that was $1,300.
1:08:05 Andrew Manganelli? So that was a great choice. Unlucky guess.
1:08:07 David Imel? eBay's search engine is bad.
1:08:09 Andrew Manganelli? I think that's part of the chaos of this game.
1:08:11 Speaker 01 That's part of how SEO results change the content.
1:08:15 David Imel? That's true. That's a good point. That's a direct example.
1:08:17 Andrew Manganelli? Can you update with score?
1:08:19 Speaker 04 This hurt.
1:08:19 Andrew Manganelli? First round.
1:08:20 Speaker 01 I'll take that point though.
1:08:21 Speaker 04 I can't believe I wasted mint.
1:08:23 Andrew Manganelli? It's not a point. It's all these go together.
1:08:26 David Imel? Oh, oh, yeah. The most money spent at the end is the winner. So so far. I almost got it.
1:08:32 Speaker 04 I just got $23. No, you got $15. So after the first round in first with $690 for his gold new phone is Marquez.
1:08:44 Speaker 04 $173.61 goes for the Pixel 9 Fold, which is actually just a Pixel Fold.
1:08:50 David Imel? It was $173?
1:08:52 Speaker 04 $173.61.
1:08:54 David Imel? That's a cheap Pixel Fold.
1:08:55 Speaker 04 It was damaged.
1:08:59 Speaker 04 And in dead last for now is Ellis with $15.59 with the words Mint Original iPhone.
1:09:07 Speaker 05 I really thought I had it, boys.
1:09:08 Speaker 04 So now you cannot use any of those words moving forward.
1:09:11 David Imel? Okay, I'll try to remember.
1:09:12 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, so for fourth category, back, do you want to go back to Mark Hessey or do you want to snake it? And have David start on this one?
1:09:18 Speaker 05 We can snake it.
1:09:19 Andrew Manganelli? I think snaking it's the more fair way. Okay, David start, you have four keywords for this round.
1:09:24 David Imel? Oh, and it's still phones?
1:09:26 Andrew Manganelli? Still, we're gonna do phones the whole way through.
1:09:28 David Imel? Oh, still phones?
1:09:29 Andrew Manganelli? Still phones.
1:09:31 David Imel? Okay.
1:09:32 Andrew Manganelli? You have less words to say, but you have one more word to enter into the search.
1:09:36 David Imel? Okay.
1:09:39 David Imel? And iPhone is used?
1:09:41 Andrew Manganelli? Correct.
1:09:41 David Imel? Frick.
1:09:44 David Imel? Yeah, it's a lot of resale right there. I'm helping you out. Just from that one word.
1:09:51 David Imel? New, Apple.
1:09:54 Speaker 05 Wait, new is already used.
1:09:56 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, okay.
1:09:57 Speaker 05 Damn, refs.
1:09:58 David Imel? Okay.
1:09:58 Andrew Manganelli? Sorry.
1:09:59 Speaker 05 Wake up!
1:10:00 David Imel? Apple.
1:10:00 Andrew Manganelli? Ref!
1:10:01 David Imel? 1TB. 5G.
1:10:07 David Imel? That's it? Oh, yeah, four, sorry, you go four. And, oh, but you can say phone as many times you want, phone.
1:10:12 Speaker 05 Wait, we get four now?
1:10:14 David Imel? Yeah, that's what this is for.
1:10:15 Andrew Manganelli? You get four now.
1:10:16 Speaker 05 Wake up, Ellis.
1:10:18 David Imel? That might work.
1:10:19 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, so just, this is how I'm typing it in and I'll let you guys be the judge of this. I, cuz I'm counting phone as a keyword.
1:10:25 Speaker 05 Right.
1:10:25 Andrew Manganelli? So I have Apple, 1TB as a, okay, 5G phone.
1:10:29 David Imel? Yeah.
1:10:30 Andrew Manganelli? Cool, I agree, I think that's, that should be.
1:10:32 David Imel? Number two. Oh no.
1:10:35 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:10:35 David Imel? Yeah?
1:10:36 Andrew Manganelli? That's pretty good. Apple iPhone 13 Pro Max, 1TB, green, $635.
1:10:40 David Imel? Okay, not bad. Well played. Could've been worse. There you go. Yeah.
1:10:45 Andrew Manganelli? But that was a great, you are, you were guaranteed 500, up to like 800, but you were not striking out on that search.
1:10:53 David Imel? Good, so 1TB is used. Yeah. And if you use 512, I'm back.
1:10:59 Speaker 05 Now, we're gonna, we're gonna, we gotta pull out some big bucks here, so I'm going.
1:11:03 Andrew Manganelli? I think there's one y'all are missing so far.
1:11:05 Speaker 05 Huawei?
1:11:08 Speaker 05 Trifold unlocked.
1:11:12 Andrew Manganelli? That's exactly what I was talking about.
1:11:15 Speaker 05 And for my fourth word, I choose.
1:11:19 Speaker 01 Phone.
1:11:22 Speaker 01 Fun. Mate.
1:11:25 Speaker 01 XT.
1:11:26 Speaker 05 Is it, is the trifold a mate?
1:11:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, mate XT.
1:11:29 Speaker 05 Mate XT.
1:11:29 Speaker 01 I shouldn't have told you.
1:11:30 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:11:31 Speaker 01 Mate or XT, I think.
1:11:32 Speaker 05 Oh, are they?
1:11:33 Speaker 01 They're two words.
1:11:35 Andrew Manganelli? Huawei, trifold, unlocked, mate. Interesting order, but.
1:11:39 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:11:40 Speaker 05 Yeah, send it, send it, send it.
1:11:41 Speaker 01 Order doesn't matter in LSO. Just kind of goes along.
1:11:44 Speaker 05 Oh, I gotta give you a number now.
1:11:46 Andrew Manganelli? You do.
1:11:46 Speaker 01 Yeah. This is the real lottery. Fourteen.
1:11:49 Speaker 05 Three.
1:11:51 Speaker 01 I think never pick one. I picked three and it shot me in the face.
1:11:54 Speaker 05 I don't like this one.
1:11:55 Andrew Manganelli? Five thousand. Five hundred and ninety-nine dollars.
1:11:58 Speaker 05 Oh my god. Let's go. You got a cash register sound in there?
1:12:02 Speaker 01 Cha-ching. That was good. That was really good.
1:12:05 Speaker 05 Thank you, thank you.
1:12:06 Speaker 01 Wow, unlocked. That was a.
1:12:08 Speaker 05 You were right, Mark has.
1:12:09 Speaker 01 I shouldn't have given you.
1:12:09 Speaker 05 Very Bond strikes out, but boy.
1:12:11 Speaker 01 Yeah. When he hits.
1:12:12 Andrew Manganelli? When he connects, that thing is, that's for real. Okay. Wow. Unlocked. Okay, I can't use new. I can't use. Five thousand dollars. Okay, here we go. Here we go.
1:12:24 Speaker 01 Has to be phones?
1:12:25 Andrew Manganelli? Phone category.
1:12:26 Speaker 01 They're on eBay. I'm gonna take a wild swing. Cause I don't know if these are on eBay.
1:12:31 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:12:33 Speaker 01 Now, who had the moon? Everything's on eBay.
1:12:38 Speaker 01 Not Escobar, the. Can we even catch? Caviar.
1:12:41 Andrew Manganelli? I haven't searched that deep into this, so maybe.
1:12:44 Speaker 01 Okay, I'm gonna try. Dang. Caviar.
1:12:49 Speaker 01 iPhone. We can't do iPhone. Caviar verified.
1:12:57 Speaker 01 We used original already? Yeah. Yeah, you did. Yeah, you did. Caviar verified. I think I have, I have to say phone. And five twelve GB. Yeah. What number?
1:13:10 Andrew Manganelli? What number?
1:13:14 Speaker 01 Number two.
1:13:18 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:13:20 Andrew Manganelli? So it's not a caviar phone, but you somehow hacked into still getting iPhones. So it's an Apple iPhone.
1:13:27 David Imel? Well, I think caviar only made iPhones, right?
1:13:29 Andrew Manganelli? I do. I do think so. So. Apple iPhone 15 Pro 512 for $787.
1:13:36 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:13:36 David Imel? Not bad.
1:13:37 Speaker 01 Made a dent in Ellis's lead, but that's okay. Just out of curiosity, were any of those?
1:13:42 Andrew Manganelli? None of them are the actual caviar. They're all iPhones.
1:13:46 Speaker 01 Yeah. No caviar, huh? How else am I gonna get five grand?
1:13:49 Speaker 04 So after round two.
1:13:50 David Imel? That's what I'm wondering.
1:13:51 Speaker 04 Do you guys want to know your totals or just the totals? Okay, so so far, Marquez has $1,477. Ellis has $5,614.59. David has $808.61. Ellis far in the lead.
1:14:12 Speaker 01 Respectable.
1:14:13 Speaker 04 One round remaining. Who will win?
1:14:16 Andrew Manganelli? I wonder. So five, five.
1:14:18 Speaker 01 Five.
1:14:19 Andrew Manganelli? Five keywords.
1:14:20 Speaker 01 Okay.
1:14:20 Andrew Manganelli? Phone still counts.
1:14:22 David Imel? It still has to be a phone.
1:14:23 Andrew Manganelli? Do you want us to go over all the ones or we'll just tell you if it's?
1:14:26 David Imel? It still has to be a phone.
1:14:27 Speaker 01 Yeah, just tell me if we've.
1:14:28 Andrew Manganelli? Phone category, I'll say.
1:14:30 Speaker 01 And now we start with Ellis.
1:14:31 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, we start with Marquez again.
1:14:33 Speaker 01 Yeah, snakeback.
1:14:34 Andrew Manganelli? It just goes back.
1:14:35 Speaker 01 Oh, so it has to be a phone. And I need to find a phone that's selling right now for $5,000 to take a lead over Ellis and have a buffer for when he gets something. $5,000, so the mate XT.
1:14:48 David Imel? Well, doesn't it doesn't have to be selling right now. Cause it's purchased listings.
1:14:52 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know how sold works. I assumed it was more recently.
1:14:56 David Imel? Yeah.
1:14:56 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:14:57 Speaker 01 Sold. Okay.
1:15:01 Speaker 04 Um, and I kind of want to stretch the definition of a phone, but that might not work. Oh, no. Um.
1:15:12 Speaker 01 Let's go.
1:15:15 Speaker 01 Industrial, working.
1:15:19 Speaker 01 Industrial, working.
1:15:20 Speaker 05 Are you looking for the Dogo phone or Dugu?
1:15:23 Speaker 01 Doogee?
1:15:24 David Imel? Doogee.
1:15:24 Speaker 01 No, those don't go for five grand.
1:15:26 David Imel? Those are not five grand.
1:15:27 Speaker 01 I'm looking for like the phone that like hooks up to the tractor. There's no way this costs $5,000 though. This isn't gonna work. This is, this is a failed strategy.
1:15:36 David Imel? I have a good idea.
1:15:38 Andrew Manganelli? I saw the spark in both of your eyes as Mark has started talking.
1:15:42 Speaker 01 Yeah. We're probably gonna say the same thing.
1:15:44 Speaker 05 If I, if we get a smartwatch, would that count? Or does it have to be like a phone?
1:15:49 Andrew Manganelli? I think phone should be.
1:15:50 Speaker 01 Yeah. It needs to make phone calls.
1:15:53 Andrew Manganelli? Or be a phone accessory, we said because of the cases before.
1:15:56 Speaker 01 A phone accessory?
1:15:59 Speaker 05 The Garmin Lockheed Martin collab smartwatch that pairs with the F22 Raptor in the cockpit like that doesn't.
1:16:06 Andrew Manganelli? I don't think so. We allowed phone cases. I mean, like, it should be like a.
1:16:11 Speaker 01 No way.
1:16:11 Speaker 05 I don't know if it's the F22 Raptor, but Garmin does make smartwatches that pair with fighter, fighter jet cockpits.
1:16:17 Speaker 01 But we're saying like, if I, if I hit the like Garmin $2,000 smartwatch, that won't count because it doesn't make phone calls.
1:16:24 Speaker 05 It seems like that's what we're.
1:16:25 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:16:26 Speaker 01 Alright, yeah, let's try it. Let's go. Okay.
1:16:29 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:16:32 Speaker 01 Working Motorola briefcase.
1:16:37 Speaker 05 I was gonna.
1:16:37 Speaker 01 Phone.
1:16:38 David Imel? I was gonna do a similar thing.
1:16:39 Speaker 05 Yeah, I was gonna do like original Alexander Crambell.
1:16:44 Speaker 01 Working Motorola briefcase phone.
1:16:49 Speaker 01 What's the fifth word that's gonna make sure it's?
1:16:52 David Imel? Expensive.
1:16:54 Speaker 05 Vintage?
1:16:56 Andrew Manganelli? You all are.
1:16:56 Speaker 05 Why are you helping him?
1:16:57 Speaker 01 I can't say original. I can't say new inbox. I can't say.
1:17:02 Speaker 05 Classic.
1:17:03 Andrew Manganelli? Inbox was not used.
1:17:06 Speaker 01 Was it not?
1:17:06 Andrew Manganelli? Because it was two.
1:17:08 Speaker 01 It doesn't even come in a box though.
1:17:09 Speaker 05 Oh, yeah, yeah.
1:17:11 Speaker 01 Let's just go with, uh, pristine.
1:17:14 Speaker 05 Pristine.
1:17:16 David Imel? Good word.
1:17:17 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, so before I click search, I tried to search this the other day and maybe my keywords weren't great, but.
1:17:24 Speaker 01 Nobody's.
1:17:24 Andrew Manganelli? I don't know what's gonna come up here.
1:17:26 Speaker 01 I don't think anybody sold these on eBay.
1:17:27 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, there's plenty of things that are in the category. Yeah, you're fine. Give a number.
1:17:32 Speaker 01 Okay, five. I didn't.
1:17:34 Andrew Manganelli? A Moto G powered, gently used and partially working. Thirteen thirty-eight, baby. Thirteen dollars?
1:17:43 Speaker 01 Moto G power.
1:17:44 Speaker 05 Oh my gosh. What a back.
1:17:47 David Imel? What I'm gonna get for lunch is fourteen dollars.
1:17:50 Andrew Manganelli? There was a working vintage Motorola car phone under that, but it's still only twenty-five dollars.
1:17:54 Speaker 01 Oh, wow.
1:17:55 Speaker 05 Okay, I am gonna go with a very different tactic then, cuz I was originally gonna go there too. I'm gonna do, we're gonna go, we're gonna try something crazy. We're gonna do official.
1:18:08 Speaker 01 Is it payphone count as a phone?
1:18:13 Speaker 05 No, I'm keeping strat. Official, signed.
1:18:19 Speaker 01 Hmm.
1:18:20 Speaker 05 Rare.
1:18:21 Speaker 01 Hmm.
1:18:26 Speaker 05 Phone.
1:18:28 Speaker 05 Authentic.
1:18:29 Speaker 01 Gold.
1:18:31 Speaker 01 Diamond.
1:18:33 Speaker 05 And I wanna, I want you to, I want you to choose.
1:18:38 Speaker 01 Before you look this up, I have signed some.
1:18:40 Speaker 05 Am I screwed?
1:18:42 Andrew Manganelli? Two out of the top ten are actually phones, so whichever one you get closest to, and I'll read some of the other ones.
1:18:51 Speaker 05 Andrew, just answer me this. Are either of the two phones worth more than a hundred dollars?
1:18:56 Andrew Manganelli? Yes.
1:18:57 Speaker 01 Somebody signed a phone.
1:18:58 Speaker 05 Number six.
1:18:59 Andrew Manganelli? Okay, you are closer to the more expensive one. An Apple iPhone XR.
1:19:05 Speaker 05 What?
1:19:06 Andrew Manganelli? It says rare iOS thirteen grade A. I don't know what that means. It's a hundred and fifty-four ninety-nine.
1:19:13 Speaker 01 Who's it signed by?
1:19:15 Andrew Manganelli? It is not signed. The number one is a Joe Montana signed football.
1:19:19 Speaker 01 What is it?
1:19:20 Speaker 05 How much was that?
1:19:20 Andrew Manganelli? Seventy-seven dollars.
1:19:22 Speaker 01 What? Flappy bird.
1:19:24 Speaker 05 Oh no.
1:19:28 Speaker 01 You remember that?
1:19:29 David Imel? I have an idea.
1:19:30 Speaker 05 You just, Marquez, you cost me a game.
1:19:33 Andrew Manganelli? You too, I lost already.
1:19:34 David Imel? It's not gonna be that. I don't think they're, they're bringing, yeah, I don't think. You could probably down, you can download the APK off APK.
1:19:42 Andrew Manganelli? David, you just need.
1:19:43 Speaker 01 They sold. Like at one point.
1:19:46 David Imel? That's true. Yeah.
1:19:47 Andrew Manganelli? If you can get something that's $5,000, secure the win. No baby.
1:19:52 David Imel? How about AT&T, emergency response, uh, industrial?
1:20:00 Andrew Manganelli? Uh, did we actually use that or he didn't wind up using it? Okay.
1:20:05 David Imel? And then Flappy Bird.
1:20:10 Speaker 05 That's too many words.
1:20:11 David Imel? Flappy Bird is a proper noun, right?
1:20:13 Speaker 05 Just flappy.
1:20:18 David Imel? Bird.
1:20:18 Speaker 05 Just bird.
1:20:19 David Imel? Just bird.
1:20:21 Speaker 05 No phone?
1:20:22 Andrew Manganelli? You're sure?
1:20:22 David Imel? Oh wait, sorry, phone.
1:20:24 Speaker 05 Bird phone. You gotta pick one.
1:20:26 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:20:26 David Imel? AT&T, emergency and response, industrial phone. Diamond.
1:20:35 Andrew Manganelli? Alright, pick a number.
1:20:36 Speaker 05 Luxury.
1:20:37 David Imel? Four.
1:20:39 Speaker 05 Please.
1:20:40 David Imel? It's probably not.
1:20:42 Andrew Manganelli? I'm gonna give you.
1:20:44 Speaker 05 Please.
1:20:44 David Imel? Give me one that's, that one's $5,000.
1:20:46 Andrew Manganelli? Very nice here and I'm gonna go one above it.
1:20:48 David Imel? Okay.
1:20:49 Andrew Manganelli? Because yours is a, an emergency phone, print ad, was number four. So I'm gonna go for the 4G LTE cellular dialer phone elevator emergency communicator.
1:21:02 David Imel? Elevator?
1:21:03 Andrew Manganelli? $159.
1:21:05 Speaker 05 Let's go!
1:21:07 Andrew Manganelli? Because under that was a, a phone that says 999 crossed out and says best offer accepted. So I don't even know what that means.
1:21:14 David Imel? Do they have any of the AT&T, like, briefcase, emergency response satellite phones in there?
1:21:21 Speaker 01 It was satellite.
1:21:22 David Imel? Satellite. I should have said satellite.
1:21:25 Andrew Manganelli? Satellite probably would have been a solid one.
1:21:27 David Imel? I should have said, uh, what's the thing that's in space that's orbiting Earth? The ISS. ISS.
1:21:34 Andrew Manganelli? Oh.
1:21:34 David Imel? The moon. I should have said ISS communication device.
1:21:38 Speaker 01 If you'd said original Starship Enterprise communicator, would you have gotten credit?
1:21:42 David Imel? From TV show?
1:21:44 Speaker 01 Oh my god. It's not a phone, but it would have been really funny.
1:21:46 Andrew Manganelli? So in first place was $5,769.58.
1:21:52 Speaker 01 Made XT.
1:21:52 Andrew Manganelli? Ellis Rover.
1:21:54 Speaker 05 Let's go. From the desk to here. Came to win, took it all.
1:22:01 Andrew Manganelli? Coming up the rear with $1,490.38 respectable is Marques Brownlee.
1:22:08 Speaker 01 Let's go.
1:22:09 Andrew Manganelli? And all the way in last is David. $968.56. And 56 cents, David Immo.
1:22:17 Speaker 05 I like this game. I would play again.
1:22:19 Andrew Manganelli? I want to say Ellis getting the made XT over both of you guys is very surprising. I'm very surprised either you didn't get that. I knew Ellis was gonna go the like autographed, like vintage route at some point, which I thought would be fun.
1:22:33 Speaker 05 Yeah.
1:22:34 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah, hopefully you liked it. I thought it was fun. I, we left it at just phone as the category, so in the future, maybe we could do computers or something else.
1:22:41 Speaker 01 Can you try one more search for me? Just out of curiosity.
1:22:44 Andrew Manganelli? Okay.
1:22:44 Speaker 01 Can you search MKBHD signed phone and see if anything comes up?
1:22:49 Speaker 05 Have you signed someone's phone before?
1:22:50 Speaker 01 I've signed a lot of phones. And I'm curious if someone ever listed it and sold it on eBay. I just want to know. So you can beat them up. I just want to know. Cause my theory is I'm taking value off your phone when I write on it.
1:23:02 Andrew Manganelli? Wow. Here's one that would have won though.
1:23:04 Speaker 01 What?
1:23:06 Andrew Manganelli? Apple iPhone 16 Pro Max signed by Jaws. $15,000.
1:23:11 Speaker 05 And it sold for that?
1:23:12 Speaker 01 Yeah.
1:23:13 Speaker 05 How did that not come up when I?
1:23:15 Speaker 01 Yeah, once, well, we did iPhone. We should have done signed.
1:23:17 Andrew Manganelli? I think you did too many like authentic.
1:23:20 Speaker 01 Without iPhone. Yeah, it was.
1:23:22 Speaker 05 It was just phone. Ah, fair enough.
1:23:23 Speaker 01 Yeah. Damn.
1:23:24 Speaker 05 Johns, really?
1:23:26 Speaker 01 Hey, see, he adds value. None of us thought of that, so.
1:23:29 Speaker 05 Yeah, none of us.
1:23:30 Speaker 01 That's too bad.
1:23:31 David Imel? I bet Steve Jobs signed iPhone would be insane.
1:23:35 Speaker 05 I don't think that exists.
1:23:36 David Imel? It probably exists.
1:23:37 Speaker 01 Steve Jobs signed iPhone?
1:23:38 David Imel? There's probably at least one. I don't know if it was recently sold on eBay.
1:23:41 Speaker 01 Yeah, but that would have to be like a first round pick with your keywords.
1:23:44 Andrew Manganelli? There's an office posters signed by Steve Jobs that sold for $32,000.
1:23:48 Speaker 05 Would you have accepted that?
1:23:49 Speaker 01 We wouldn't have gotten points for that. You can't make a phone call on it.
1:23:51 Andrew Manganelli? It's especially because it's a poster about the Macintosh.
1:23:56 Speaker 01 There you go.
1:23:56 Speaker 04 I feel like one day when we play this game, we should just have no category and just see who can think of the most expensive things on eBay.
1:24:04 Speaker 01 Yeah, Buick. No, just kidding. No, that was fun. I think we should, we should bring that game back at some point. That was, and maybe we should switch it up and go from like Amazon to like random, like bestbuy.com, just, just to see.
1:24:18 David Imel? Timu.
1:24:18 Andrew Manganelli? It's like, it's a fight of like, do you go old, new? What is the listing gonna be? Like, how chaotic is the listing gonna be with keywords? So, yeah, I thought it was fun.
1:24:29 Speaker 01 That was fun. Shout out to the Disc Golf Pod as well. Well, in order to switch back to regular trivia, I think we have to do a little shuffle.
1:24:35 Andrew Manganelli? Forgot about that.
1:24:36 Speaker 05 Yeah, should we do, should we do the magic?
1:24:39 Speaker 01 Definitely.
1:24:43 Speaker 05 What?
1:24:44 Andrew Manganelli? Get out of my seat.
1:24:45 Speaker 05 Well, you have to clap then.
1:24:48 Andrew Manganelli? Whoa.
1:24:49 Speaker 04 Jesus.
1:24:50 Andrew Manganelli? Oh, my goodness.
1:24:50 Speaker 05 That one like hurt, like normally they're, they're, they're easy, but like, I don't know, that one really hurt going through there.
1:24:56 Andrew Manganelli? Poor audio listeners.
1:24:57 Speaker 04 Audio listeners, they teleported by clapping.
1:25:00 Speaker 01 It was great.
1:25:00 Andrew Manganelli? In real life.
1:25:01 Speaker 01 You know what time it is.
1:25:02 Speaker 05 You know what it is?
1:25:05 Andrew Manganelli? I think that's the number one song on Ellis's Spotify Wrapped. It's the trivia song.
1:25:09 Speaker 05 Do you know the name of that song?
1:25:11 Andrew Manganelli? No.
1:25:11 David Imel? Trivia, dude.
1:25:12 Speaker 05 Uh, I believe it's called.
1:25:14 David Imel? By Adam Molina.
1:25:14 Speaker 05 Would you like another pineapple?
1:25:18 Speaker 01 That is some truly royalty free. You know who's really unaffected by SEO? Royalty free music.
1:25:24 Speaker 04 Oh, yeah, but they're very affected by AI.
1:25:26 Speaker 01 The name of the song doesn't matter.
1:25:28 Speaker 05 It's called Another Pineapple, Please by The Fly Guy 5.
1:25:32 Speaker 01 I love that. I agree. And no one will ever find it on Google.
1:25:35 Speaker 05 Uh, no, but.
1:25:38 Speaker 05 It's not royalty free, so you can't use it. You gotta pay for it like we did, like we do. Question number one.
1:25:46 Andrew Manganelli? Can I steal one? Please, please.
1:25:49 Speaker 05 Question number one, Price is Right rules. What was the first year that Cyber Monday was used as like a marketing term? And this question might be a little confusing because Cyber Monday was coined in the middle of the year to describe the year before. Like, oh, a lot of people bought stuff that day, so we're gonna call that Cyber Monday. But then it was used as a marketing term for the first time in the year that I'm looking for, and it's Price is Right rules. So if you guess a year later than the correct year, you are disqualified.
1:26:26 Speaker 05 What year do we think it is? Who would like to go first? Actually, David should go first.
1:26:32 Speaker 01 I want to.
1:26:32 David Imel? Is it because I'm the most wrong?
1:26:34 Speaker 05 You're not the most wrong.
1:26:38 David Imel? Okay. I wrote 2006.
1:26:41 Speaker 05 That unfortunately is later than the year in question.
1:26:44 Andrew Manganelli? All right. So I'm wrong.
1:26:46 Speaker 05 So.
1:26:47 Andrew Manganelli? 2010.
1:26:48 Speaker 05 Yes.
1:26:48 Andrew Manganelli? Wow.
1:26:49 Speaker 01 I was debating going 90s. I said 2002.
1:26:52 Speaker 05 That is not the right year, but within the acceptable parameters, the correct year is 2005.
1:27:01 Andrew Manganelli? Ah, really?
1:27:03 Speaker 05 2005.
1:27:04 Andrew Manganelli? Why do we ever do Delta? Internet mattered enough then.
1:27:09 Speaker 05 That was the first year that people or so people into early 2005 were looking back and were like, wow, people bought a lot of stuff online right after Thanksgiving.
1:27:20 David Imel? And they started.
1:27:20 Speaker 01 In 2004.
1:27:22 Speaker 05 In, yeah, Thanksgiving 2004. And then throughout 2005, they were like, oh, I guess there's this sort of Black Friday online, we'll call it Cyber Monday. It started as like an industry term coined by one executive named Ellen Davis. And it.
1:27:35 Speaker 01 From what company?
1:27:37 Speaker 05 She was not an executive of a specific company. She was at one of those like trade groups called the National Retail Federation.
1:27:45 Andrew Manganelli? That sounds.
1:27:46 David Imel? The most capitalist thing I've ever heard of in my life.
1:27:49 Andrew Manganelli? National Retail. Next question. Jaguar isn't just the name of the car company.
1:27:56 Speaker 05 Are you gonna do that every time?
1:27:59 David Imel? Yeah.
1:27:59 Speaker 05 It's also the processor inside the PS4 Pro, which was made by what company?
1:28:06 David Imel? There's a PS4 Pro as well?
1:28:07 Speaker 05 There was.
1:28:08 Speaker 01 I had the PS4. That was my first ever console.
1:28:10 David Imel? Damn, really?
1:28:11 Speaker 01 What? PS4 Pro.
1:28:12 David Imel? Ever?
1:28:12 Speaker 01 First ever.
1:28:12 David Imel? Ever?
1:28:13 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:28:14 David Imel? That's wow.
1:28:15 Speaker 01 Yep.
1:28:15 David Imel? No wonder you're so.
1:28:16 Speaker 01 In the middle of college, never had a GameCube or any of those other ones. I had a PS4.
1:28:21 Andrew Manganelli? Wait, was that in the apartment? Where you guys had like that little kind of half room between like the bedrooms and you had that giant curved TV?
1:28:31 Speaker 05 Flipper and Reid, what do you got?
1:28:34 Andrew Manganelli? Ah, crap.
1:28:35 Speaker 01 Oh, boy.
1:28:35 Speaker 05 Let's go Marquez first.
1:28:36 David Imel? We all wrote different ones. I wrote Nvidia.
1:28:39 Speaker 05 Nvidia?
1:28:39 David Imel? Yeah.
1:28:40 Speaker 05 Nope.
1:28:41 David Imel? Dang it.
1:28:41 Andrew Manganelli? I wrote Intel.
1:28:42 Speaker 05 Intel?
1:28:43 Andrew Manganelli? Mm-hmm.
1:28:44 Speaker 05 Nope. David?
1:28:46 David Imel? It's AMD.
1:28:47 Speaker 05 It's AMD!
1:28:48 David Imel? It's called an APU. Suckers.
1:28:51 Andrew Manganelli? Hmm.
1:28:51 Speaker 05 What does that mean?
1:28:53 David Imel? Something processing you.
1:28:56 Speaker 05 AMD processing?
1:28:57 David Imel? It's probably advanced processing unit or something, or like all in one. I don't know. I should know this. I don't really know. I don't know this.
1:29:03 Speaker 01 Well. Uh, I'm officially carrying the one now. David's carrying the one now.
1:29:09 Andrew Manganelli? And I'm where I should be. Behind everyone else so I can come back in the trivia extravaganza.
1:29:15 Speaker 05 It's an accelerated processing unit.
1:29:17 David Imel? Interesting. That's generic.
1:29:19 Speaker 01 Beautiful place to be with nice, even, round numbers for trivia.
1:29:24 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:29:25 Speaker 05 Wait, what?
1:29:26 Andrew Manganelli? When has it not been round numbers?
1:29:28 Speaker 05 Also, these are not even numbers.
1:29:30 David Imel? They're all odd numbers. Nice odd round numbers.
1:29:32 Andrew Manganelli? Mine's not even a number, man.
1:29:34 David Imel? Zero's a number. Is it even? Is zero an even number?
1:29:36 Speaker 05 Zero's a concept.
1:29:37 Speaker 01 Zero is neither.
1:29:39 Speaker 05 All numbers are concepts.
1:29:40 Speaker 01 Nor odd. Or both?
1:29:42 David Imel? I think it's even.
1:29:42 Speaker 01 At the same time.
1:29:43 Andrew Manganelli? Is it a number but not an integer? I'm not saying anything more because I'm an idiot.
1:29:47 David Imel? Hmm.
1:29:48 Andrew Manganelli? Or is an integer or not a number?
1:29:50 Speaker 01 Positive. It is an integer but not a.
1:29:52 David Imel? Zero is an even number. In other words.
1:29:54 Speaker 05 According to Gemini.
1:29:56 David Imel? No, also according to BYJU apostrophe S dot com.
1:30:00 Speaker 05 What is that?
1:30:01 David Imel? I have no idea.
1:30:03 David Imel? There is also a Wikipedia page called Parody of Zero.
1:30:08 Andrew Manganelli? Thanks for listening.
1:30:09 David Imel? Yeah.
1:30:09 Speaker 01 Thanks for watching.
1:30:10 David Imel? Hey, yeah. Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening this week. Thanks for joining us for a new season of trivia. And, uh, yeah, we'll, we'll be back on our regular scheduled. Well, we are, but we'll be back even more on our regular scheduled programming next week. See you then. Peace.
1:30:25 Andrew Manganelli? Waveform was produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Rovin. We're partners with Vox Media Podcast Network. And our intro music was created by Vansil.
1:30:30 Speaker 05 Ringo.
1:30:31 Speaker 01 Did you almost forget our names?
1:30:49 Speaker 01 That's the name of the album? Tortured Poets Department? That's actually the name of it?
1:30:54 Andrew Manganelli? Yeah.
1:30:55 Speaker 01 Oh, okay.
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