Frank Martin: Undefeated Boxer on fight with Gervonta "Tank" Davis in lightweight title bout, pulling off the upset, reveals details of past sparring w/ Tank, advice from Floyd Mayweather & pressures of being underdog on June 15th at MGM Las Vegas

No greater event than one of sport and today we are talking a real live David vs Goliath title bout as we chat with the man who knows he's the underdog but believes he's built for this moment. Undefeated Boxer Frank Martin looks to become the new WBA Lightweight World Champion pulling off the upset win over Boxing's best and biggest star, Gervonta "Tank" Davis on June 15th at the MGM Grand Las Vegas. In partnership with Fanatics, The Pivot Podcast shares an exclusive conversation as Ryan, Channing, and Fred sit down with Frank "The Ghost" Martin as he prepares to step in the ring with Tank Davis, 29-0 and 27 KOs. Both undefeated talents in their own right, Martin opens up about being an underdog, his anticipations for the showdown, and the pivotal moments that shaped his journey to the ring. Despite boasting a perfect record of 18-0, Martin remains criminally underrated within his division, a fact he confronts head-on as he discusses his mindset approaching what is undeniably the pinnacle of his career. Delving into the origins of his nickname "The Ghost," Martin dissects the nuances of his fighting style and its potential and favorable impact when he faces Davis, Alluding to the last time the two fighters met in Vegas, a few years ago in a sparring match at The Mayweather Boxing Gym, Martin reveals what really transpired that day and how the man himself, Floyd Mayweather, pulled the two fighters apart after several grueling rounds. Martin shares with Ryan, Channing and Fred the advice Mayweather has given him over the years and the one key piece he has kept at the forefront of his training, work when your opponent is resting and become mentally strong not just physically. Addressing the false narratives from the press conference and the trash talk spewed from his opponent, Martin turns the words into motivation and confidently tells the guys, "people think they know who I am and what I'm capable of, but have no idea, but soon they will see who Frank Martin really is." Calling the city of Detroit home, Martin's upbringing created his resilient mindset and unique athleticism, qualities that have raised his current status to become one of the sport's top talents and he explains how working with renowned boxing trainer, Derrick James, has edged even more, increasing his speed and athleticism to a level unlike anything Tank has experienced before. Martin says this moment is more than just a fight, it's for all the people who felt lost, misguided and not good enough, to know the good guy does win sometimes and this night is about the underdog. Stay tuned for new episodes of The Pivot, premiering Tuesdays at 12 p.m. ET and Fridays at 3:30 p.m. ET on YouTube, with audio available on all major streaming platforms including Apple Music, Spotify, and Amazon Music. New York City, come meet us at Fanatics Fest NYC! We’ll be recording our podcast LIVE with some special guests, signing autographs, meeting fans, taking photos and more. We’re excited to be at FFNYC alongside some of the biggest names in sports such as Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Kevin Durant, Sabrina Ionescu, and more. FFNYC is happening August 16 –18, 2004 at the Javits Center. Tickets are on sale. Visit https://bit.ly/3yw2qAm to learn more and https://bit.ly/3R0f8hn to buy your tickets now! ”GAMBLING PROBLEM? Call 1-800-GAMBLER(CO/IL/KS/KY/MD/MI/NC/NJ/OH/PA/TN/VA/VT/WV), (800)-327-5050 or gamblinghelplinema.org (MA), Call (877)8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), or Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), (888) 789-7777 orccpg.org (CT), or 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), or 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), or www.mdgamblinghelp.org(MD), or morethanagame.nc.gov (NC), or1800gambler.net (WV) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:17Channing Crowder?

  People don't fight regularly no more.

• 1:19Ryan Clark?

  What you was saying, we was gonna beat up Frank Martin? Because he was late? That what we was saying?

• 1:23Channing Crowder?

  Jumping, now we don't jump. I ain't know what it is. I don't know, no problem.

• 1:27Fred Taylor?

  What's up? How you doing?

• 1:28Channing Crowder?

  What up, man?

• 1:29Fred Taylor?

  How you doing? Good to see you, man. Good to see you. Feel like, what's up, dog?

• 1:32Channing Crowder?

  What up? How you doing, man? You ever seen these G-Shocks?

• 1:39Channing Crowder?

  But, man, why he look at it like this, though? Why? He gonna squint like he can't see. Squint, man, gonna let him see the watch no better?

• 1:46Ryan Clark?

  That's true.

• 1:54Speaker 05

  Welcome to the show. Frank Martin, 18 and 0, 12 knockouts. About to be in one of the biggest fights of the year versus Javante Davis. This is Fred Taylor, Channing Crowder, I'm Ryan Clark. We are The Pivot, a part of Fanatics. I want to get to something that I think is really cool because when you play football, if you get a nickname, people don't call you by it every day until you show folks like this is who I am, right? For you though, it's Frank the Ghost Martin. And I love the story about it being a part of your ascension as an amateur. Also a night where the lights went out. Explain to me how you got the name and why it fits you.

• 2:33Ryan Clark?

  I say the, my fighting style, you know what I mean? Sometimes I lose fighters, I have them turn in. I do certain things that'll turn them certain ways. I knock a lot of guys out with like the shots, angle shots that they don't see coming. Me just coming on the scene late, you know, beating top, top guys. 2015 I fought one of, at the time the dude was ranked number one in the country. I only had like 13 fights, first year going to the National Golden Gloves. I beat the dude the first round of the National Golden Gloves. Everybody looking at me like, they just looking at me crazy like the refs, everybody just looking. So I'm like, why the hell are all these people looking at me like this? So I get out of the ring, they raise my hand or whatever, get out the ring, everybody come up to me.

• 3:16Ryan Clark?

  They're like, you just beat Abraham Nova, number one ranked dude in the country. I ain't knowing though. I'm new, I ain't really looking at the, the fight brackets or none of that. So I'm just going in and just fighting. Like I don't care who I'm fighting, I'm just fighting hard, fighting tough. So I end up beating him, boom.

• 4:01Speaker 06

  That year, I ended up placing a third, I ended up placing in the semifinals. Boots, John Innes had won it that year. The next year, I went back, 2016, I went back and I won it in 2016. But the night before the championship, the lights in the hotel that we were standing in, they had cut off. Boor Hall room I was working out in, lights cut off. So at the time, my coaches put their flashes on, on the phone. So it's dark in the room. You see, I'm running around, sweat bag on, all that. I'm running around in the room. Everybody has to start working out. I mean, I'm running around in the room. You just see my shadow. They put their flashes on, so you see my shadow on the wall. I'm running around in the room. So, uh, my coach at the time was like, "Ghost, we gonna call you Ghost." And then that's kind of how we got the name and it all came about.

• 4:45Channing Crowder?

  That swag, that confidence, where does it come from? Because we was just talking before, you was like, "Yeah, everybody ain't built like this." We were talking about you being in the ring, you being in the middle of attention. You get your ass knocked out, you knocked out.

• 4:57Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 4:57Channing Crowder?

  Where does that come from? Where does that psyche have to be for you to go out there like that?

• 5:02Speaker 06

  I feel like everybody different. You know, you got, you got fighters who, you know, they get something in front of them and they don't know how to figure it out, you know? Or they might just, they might just not be the same. Because they, they might figure out, "All right, this dude tougher than me," or something. So they might like, you know, level theyself down. But you got the ones who, who both, like sometimes you get in there, neither one of them gonna, gonna fold. You know, you got some people who gonna fold quicker than others. Some who ain't gonna fold at all. So it's just gonna be one of them type of, type of nights, you know? And I feel like that's what we up, that's what we up against.

• 5:38Channing Crowder?

  Wait, do you know that though? Do you, how, how, how fast when you get in the ring with a dude, do you know that? Do you know if he, I call him, we call him, I call him lions. When you get two lions and now y'all both looking at each other?

• 5:49Speaker 06

  You just, you just know. Sometimes it ain't even, it ain't, it really ain't even when you get in there. Sometimes you know. You know when you know. You know, like when y'all on the field, y'all know who, who, you know what I mean? And then you know the ones who y'all gonna just run over, y'all know. And that's kind of like the same with the, with the fighting. Like you just know, like, who really real and like, who like that, you know? You feel it.

• 6:14Fred Taylor?

  When you're a child, right? You're sleeping in your room at night. You can see certain images. In your mind, you're thinking it's a ghost. But when you turn the lights on, that image, the ghost, disappear. These lights are gonna be the brightest lights that you've probably ever had to fight in. Probably your biggest fight. In preparation for this, what have you learned? Or have you learned anything new about yourself?

• 6:38Speaker 06

  I feel like I've been learning a lot about myself. You know, just how to stay, how to stay composed and just chill. Don't let nothing get to me, you know, mentally, you know? Because at this stage, it's a lot more mental than it is physical, you know? So I feel like you gotta be mentally stronger than you is physically, you know? Because like, they gonna play games with you. They gonna play a lot of mental games with you. So with me knowing that and feeling that, you know, you just can't break. You can't fold. You know, so I'm, I feel like I'm gonna be ready for whatever they try to throw at me. As far as anything that could throw me off mentally, you just gotta be ready to, to, you know, deal with it.

• 7:13Fred Taylor?

  Right, and, and looking at a press conference and, and hearing a lot of stuff that's coming from Tank's side, it seems that he's taking that approach. He say you from the suburbs, you know? But boxing aside, do you think he respects you as a man?

• 7:29Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, I definitely do, you know? We, we got to see him, a lot of people got to see him do some out of his body type of, you know, things, out of character, you know? He ain't, all his press conferences, he normally more chill. He had to, you know, he with AB, he with All Limb, so he had to put his tough role on, you know? He had to be, you know, he had to be tough. So I feel like that may be like nerves, that may be nervousness, you know? I was, I wasn't with a lot of people, you know? I was with my pops, my brother, a couple of my homeboys, and we wasn't deep at all, you know? But we was cool, and that was my first time, that was my first, that was my first little rodeo. You know, going, being on that stage, so you know, like, I'm just natural. I'm going, it's, it's all me, you know? Like, from the face off, all that, that's all me.

• 8:14Speaker 06

  I felt like with them, they didn't been, they didn't been there. You may put on some friends, because he was saying some stuff that was, you know, cap. So some things, you know, he already was prepared to do and probably say, you know? Me, that was my first little ride, so everything I did was just natural, you know, so.

• 8:32Ryan Clark?

  You spoke about earlier, getting into boxing later in life.

• 8:37Ryan Clark?

  And that's a big difference between you and Tank. Tank was a dude that picked up the gloves as at a very young age. The last time we saw two great fighters get inside the ring with that sort of disparity was Errol Spence, who at the time trained with Derrick James and Bud Crawford. Bud Crawford was a lifelong fighter who had worked himself to that point. Errol Spence picked it up late, but just had great talent and then worked his skillset to be in that position. How much does that play into this fight? The lifelong fighter versus the guy who picked it up late that's extremely talented and hardworking?

• 9:15Speaker 06

  I feel like, you know, styles make fights, you know? And then too, like with me, I'm just, I'm different, you know? Even though I started late, I always been like a top athlete. You know, I wrestled, I played football. I've always been like the, one of the top athletes. I've never been just like me, you know? So and then too, man, I put, I put a lot of work in, you know, to, to be where I'm at, even me training with Derrick, you know, it, it advanced in me. But once I start training with Derrick, that's, I always be like Derrick a teacher, you know? So a lot, a lot of, in the beginning of my career, it was more of a, basically like I was fighting off athleticism, you know, not really understanding the game.

• 9:58Speaker 06

  Now with me working with Derrick, I understand everything I'm doing, why to do it, when to do it, you know? So it's a little different, man. And then like, even back then, I was beating guys who've been doing it their whole lives, you know? I'm beating them off a natural athleticism, you know? Not understanding really what I'm doing, just me being naturally fast, naturally stronger, you know, that, but not having like the IQ, you know? So I feel like me having a trainer I have and then just me always being consistently in the gym and stuff, I don't think that's gonna be a problem.

• 10:31Ryan Clark?

  You spoke on CAP early for people my age that mean lies. I'm just gonna, you know, sometimes they don't know, Chan, I just gotta say, people my age.

• 10:41Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:41Ryan Clark?

  CAP means lying. Yeah. I made a phone call to Floyd Mayweather, right? Because there's been a lot said about a certain sparring session between yourself and Givante. You didn't lie.

• 10:55Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:56Ryan Clark?

  What you said was the truth. Tell people who aren't familiar with the story of that sparring session, that story from your perspective.

• 11:06Speaker 06

  So I sparred his homeboy. I'm in Vegas. At this time, I'm trying to figure everything out. I'm trying, me being in Dallas wasn't even, that wasn't even like on the radar at that time. You know, I was going to move to Vegas and I was really working trying to get underneath, you know, Mayweather Promotions at that time. So I'm looking for a spot and everything. So I ain't had no sparring gear, no nothing. So I ended up, I always go to Floyd's gym when I would go to Vegas. So I end up going to his gym and I'm real cool with his nephew. So they ended up asking me like, you gonna spar? I'm like, yeah. And Tank and them had just got off, I think they had just got to Vegas or whatever. So I ended up sparring his homeboy. Like you'll give him some rounds. I'm like, yeah, we were supposed to go six. I stopped him in four rounds.

• 11:51Speaker 06

  Floyd in the ring, everybody hyping it up or whatever. That's Monday. So Wednesday come, I'm supposed to spar dude, I'm supposed to spar his homeboy again. Guy who be with Tank, 640. He come up to me like, hey, you'll get Tank some rounds or whatever. So I'm like, yeah. So Floyd ended up asking me like, you working today? I'm like, yeah. He like, who you working with? I'm like, Tank. He just looked. I'm like, I got it, you know? So then after that, we get in the ring. Tank get in there, he wanna play. You know, he wanna do all this. He get on the rope, like first 30 seconds of the first round. He get in there, he on the ropes, bobbing his head. Boom, threw that left at him. Shook, shook, shook the legs. We had a real ref, Floyd there, everybody shook the legs. He say I ain't, he say I ain't shake, shake the room.

• 12:35Speaker 06

  I shook, I shook the room, right? Shook the legs. He grabbed me, you know, he end up holding me. But as soon as I hit him, I'm trying to throw floors. I ain't really got the, the understanding of certain things. I just hurt him and that's boom. So I'm trying to well off on him. So he grabbed me, boom, he clinched up, grabbed. So when he grabbed, the ref, I mean, he pushed off, he pushed off on me. I get back on him, boom. Somehow he get me in the headlock. He squeezed down on the headlock or whatever. We got a real ref in the ring. So ref break us up. We get to arguing like in between the ref. We arguing in between the ref. I'm telling the ref, like, nope, got me in the headlock, choking on me. So then he like, shut up, boom. He snuck me through like, like the ref, it's the ref, me, him. So he like stole on me in between the ref,

• 13:19Speaker 06

  like punched me over the, the ref's shoulder or whatever. So I'm like, alright. So then we get back to sparring, boom. So, uh, it was just after, after the, the, the punch that I hurt him with, after that, it was, it was just tough sparring. It was intense sparring after that. So, uh, the fourth round, they ended up having to break us up, uh, get us up out the ring or whatever, cause the last time he had put me in the head, like the fourth round, he had put me in there, I'm, I can't, I can't breathe, cause he trying to choke me out. So I pick him up all the way in the air, I'm finna slam him on the ground. So Floyd and them hop in the ring, uh, the ref, they all hop in the ring. So by the time I'm finna slam him on the ground, they end up breaking us up. I hurry up, go to the bathroom, change and

• 14:01Speaker 06

  stuff. I come back out and then we doing a, a fight hype, end up doing the interview with me. And it just kinda, it just kinda like died down. It was kinda weird, you know, I'm thinking there's gonna be something after that.

• 14:12Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 14:13Speaker 06

  So it just died down. I'm looking, I'm doing interviews and I'm just kinda just looking over my shoulder and stuff, cause I wasn't with nobody like that. I'm just looking over my shoulder and everything, trying to make sure nobody don't try to sneak me.

• 14:23Channing Crowder?

  That's how the sparring goes? It ain't set up. You just walk in and be like, yeah, I'll jump in with you. Like, y'all are professionals. That's how it go?

• 14:31Speaker 06

  It be like that sometimes, you know, and then you gotta think, at the time, a lot of times, it's, it's guys who won't spar, got who they know. At that time, they ain't really knowing me, you know? I ain't, I ain't a big name, they ain't really knowing who I am like that. So that, I, I used to get a lot of sparring at Floyd Gym, cause of that, you know, and then I always, I always shock them. Every, every, a lot of times, I was shocking a lot of people out there, cause they ain't know who I was. Like, out there, they be real selective of who they spar. But me, I was coming in and out of town, like, and, and getting work. Certain people knew who I was, but for the most part, it was a little easy to get work, cause ain't nobody really know Frank Martin at the time.

• 15:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. And that, that be the thing, when the fight, like selecting the fight, selecting the right fighters, you know, they say people dodging people and all that. Is that, I wanna say, part of your game, but is that a part of boxing, or is that just, is, is it certain people that do it?

• 15:21Speaker 06

  I wouldn't say, I mean, it's certain people who do do it, but I say that, you know, like, sometimes it ain't always the fighters that, that got a lot to do with it, you know, cause it is a business. Like, your team wanna move you a certain way, maybe a style that they feel that you, they wanna get you a few more fights, or get you a similar style before you fight. That style, you know, that version, like say for instance, they can have, uh- A B, a B version of a, of a fighter, right? So they, they put you with him before you go fight the A version, just to prep you, you know? Like, we gonna give you a similar style, so then when it's time for you to fight him, you'd already kind of seen that style. So I, I wouldn't say like, a lot of times, people be ducking, but they do, but not all the time.

• 16:06Speaker 06

  It got a lot to do with the business, so.

• 16:08Fred Taylor?

  How long ago was that sparring session?

• 16:10Speaker 06

  Uh, man, that was probably, that was, that was around the time he fought Leo Santa Cruz. So I think that was like, uh, that probably was about four years ago.

• 16:23Fred Taylor?

  In boxing, doubt and confidence, I, I, I, it plays a, a, a big role, a crucial role in the psychology of boxers, right? I've seen things where, you know, some people say, um, you're just happy to be here. Like, you kind of doubt on yourself, but you, on the other hand, you speak on confidence. Does that sparring session increase your confidence going into this fight? As you think back to that, or is, I'm sure you don't have any doubt in your mind, so I don't even want to ask you that. So does that give you more confidence going in there? Or is just a, you know, casual, everyday type thing?

• 16:58Speaker 06

  I feel like with that sparring session, I don't really carry that sparring session, you know, with me as like a, a confidence boost. Like, I know what happened in the sparring, but I also know that I'm a different fighter than I was that sparring session. And at that time, I still felt like, dang, like, well, me, me getting out of there and talking to myself, like, damn, okay, you done been in there with a world champion, and you, you, you held your own up in there, you know what I mean? So it just gave me just more like, it ain't out of my range, like, a, a fight with him is not out of my range.

• 17:30Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 17:31Speaker 06

  At that time, you know, and, and now I just feel like I'm totally different than what I was then. You know, so, but to answer your question, now I don't look at the sparring, don't give me the confidence, you know, because he a different fighter, you know, I'm a different fighter. It's just me, it's the work I put in, it's the opportunity that I got. It's all the talk of me not being able to do it, you know, it's that, you know, that's what got me, it got me ready, it got me turned up.

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• 18:32Ryan Clark?

  Your mom said she would have picked a different sport for you. Said she would rather, she had obviously already seen you play football. She said she'd even rather that than what you're doing. And you mentioned being an elite level athlete. You got here, though, because some things didn't go right for you, and some decisions weren't made in the way they should have as a young man. That's how you got into boxing. Talk about some of those things that led a guy who was a good football player, led a guy who was a really good wrestler to pick up and move and turn to boxing.

• 19:04Speaker 06

  Senior year, I ended up getting in some trouble. So, I'm in the hallway, they come to my, they come to the classroom. I'm in, I'm in history, I'm in history at the time. They, the cop, and then like my head coach at the time come knocking on the door, whatever, asking for me to come out to the hallway or whatever. So I go out to the hallway. They like, they needed to search my car, you know, so they like, they searching the car. So I'm like, alright, what y'all searching the car for? So it was just like, somebody called and said something about your car would smell like marijuana or something like that, right? Which it wasn't, you know, but they end up going to the car. And at the time, like, I'm thinking in my head like, damn. Damn, I'm like, what I'm gonna do?

• 19:48Speaker 06

  And I'm talking to myself while we walking. So I'm like, what I'm gonna do? The cop just talking to me at this time, it was a, it was a female cop. Or whatever, and then she was just like saying little slick, little slick remarks or whatever. Around that time, I was, I was hot-headed. You know, being in Fort Wayne, it's more of a, it's a smaller city. So it's like, sometimes you can get lost. You know, trying to, trying to be, I was, I was on two spectrums. I was trying to be athlete and I was trying to be in the streets at the same time. So, uh, on the week, throughout the week, I was at practice, I was doing my thing. During the weekend, I was on the south side of town. You know, I'm partying, doing whatever I want to do. So, uh, they end up searching my car or whatever, found some stuff in my car.

• 20:32Speaker 06

  Uh, they expelled me, but leading up to that, I'm talking to myself like, damn, what I'm gonna do? I'm like, I'm a box. Cause I was like, at that time, MMA, none of that stuff was going on. So I'm like, I ain't gonna do no WWE. Cause I'm thinking they got the, you know how they got the, uh, the drawers on and everything? So, so I was like, uh, I'm a box. Like, I'm a box, I've always been a fighter, street fighter. Always used to like to fight. So I was just like, I'm a box. And, uh, I stuck to it, cause I wanted to be something, I wanted to be somebody. You know, and I just felt like, anything I put my, like my all into, I'm gonna make something out of it.

• 21:07Ryan Clark?

  You said, Gervonta kinda stole on you in between the refs. Didn't you get stole on at a party at like 16 and get bust open though?

• 21:15Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:15Ryan Clark?

  You know, you mentioned being a street fighter.

• 21:17Speaker 06

  Talking too much, I, hey, I was talking too much. You know how sometimes you can be talking and you can be talking so good and you a scary dude? And you can make them not want to fight?

• 21:25Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 21:26Speaker 06

  I'm talking crazy, I'm talking too lean. Boom, stole me, I was talking too much and I was too close. Boom, stole me, so I, so, so he cut me right here, so I stumbled back a little bit. But after I stumbled back, you know, I got to getting on him. It ain't that easy.

• 21:44Ryan Clark?

  So you was almost 18 and 1 though. So you was almost 18 and 1.

• 21:49Channing Crowder?

  He 18 and 1.

• 21:50Speaker 06

  I'm undefeated in the streets. I'm undefeated.

• 21:54Channing Crowder?

  Right, it ain't that easy though, just to say, oh, okay, I got some trouble. Yeah, I'm gonna go be a professional boxer. It ain't that damn easy.

• 21:59Speaker 06

  It ain't that easy, but look, I put it in my head like, I put it in my head like, I'm gonna give my all to it. Like, when I say, when I say like, at that time, I'm talking to myself while I'm walking, like, I remember playing this day, like, I'm having this conversation with myself, like, damn, I don't want to let my mom down, I don't want my people down. Like, and then too, like, I was, I had a lot of good going on for me at the time with the other sports. So it was just like, I gotta, I gotta do something, you know? I wanted to fight when I was 12, my mom won't let me though. So, at 18, when all that stuff happened, I just ended up signing up on my own. And it was just more of just the determination of me wanting to be somebody, you know? Me wanting to, to do it. I ain't gonna lie, it was a time, it was a time I was in the ring.

• 22:45Speaker 06

  I had those sparring, this dude named Angel Hernandez, right? I'm, I got no, I got no, uh, pro, I mean, no experience. I ain't never even sparred yet. So he hit me with a liver shot, boom, hit me with the liver shot, knocked my mouthpiece out, right? Late reaction, it was a real late reaction. So I'm, he hit me with the shot, boom, so I'm right here, I'm like, oh! Like, I just bent over, my mouthpiece fall out. So then I get to after the sparring session, I get to talking to myself, like, damn, is this what I want to do? Is this for me? I sort of got like, is this for me? And I'm just like, yeah, this for me.

• 23:20Ryan Clark?

  When you first started, your coaches said they could see the talent right away. And I think that's what you mentioned of being a high level athlete. But, they also said you had to work your way into being a hard worker, into putting in the effort into the sport. How have you seen yourself change from making that decision, walking to your car, to who you are now, in the way you approached the professionalism of boxing?

• 23:49Speaker 06

  I feel like genetically, you know, my family and stuff, like, we gifted, you know? Like, we are athletes. So, I feel like in, in wrestling... It was just like, I was just always naturally stronger and so I wasn't even technical. Like that I was just real strong and I was able to get by with just being real strong and just fast. And then, and then football, you know, football, I had to work. I had to work because at first I was trash in football. And I just started working, working, and I got better and better. Like the more serious I got with it, the better I got with it. But boxing, man, was just different. It was a different type of sport, like what I had to, I had to learn work ethic. The other sports, I, I worked, but I ain't work like I worked for boxing. Because boxing is just one of them sports where wrestling is too.

• 24:33Speaker 06

  But I was able to get by with the wrestling. Like boxing is one of them sports where, uh, it's just you in there. You know, when you get in there, it's all about like what corners. You had them conversations like, what, did I cut any corners? Did, did I run like the, the two weeks before the fight? Did I miss out on a, on a run? There's certain things that'll play, play on the back of your mind when you get in them fights or whatever. So, uh, with boxing, I just take it, I take it serious on a different level. You know, like I make sure I don't cut no corners. You know, so like when I get in that ring, like it ain't nothing that's on my mind that I feel I didn't do correct. So I just feel like boxing just gave me that, that maturity and that, uh, I, I hold myself accountable.

• 25:15Speaker 06

  You know, them other sports, I ain't really hold myself accountable, like it's just you, you know, so.

• 25:21Fred Taylor?

  That was my question, actually, because we all come from team-oriented sports background. Football, the ultimate team sport, and you got basketball, obviously a great team sport. Soccer, all these other things. Golf is probably the only other individualized sport where, but they don't have to worry about getting knocked out. They just kind of focusing on the little white ball. How lonely does it get in boxing?

• 25:46Speaker 06

  Lonely, lonely, because it's like you grind. Like since my last fight, I never got out the gym. I pretty much stay in the gym. You know, I never take too much time off, but around that time, you know, yeah, you can go have some fun and stuff like that. But for the most part, when you in the gym, when you grinding, it's just you, your trainer, and then whoever in the gym. You know, but, but really, everybody come out when it's, when, when you get that date, when you get that fight date. That's when the calls come, that's when everything come. But when the real work put in, the real grind, it's real silent, it's real quiet. You know, so it get, it get lonely for sure.

• 26:22Fred Taylor?

  Teach.

• 26:24Ryan Clark?

  Maturity, which is a word you just used. The fight game is different, right? So much is about selling a fight. When, speaking of the press conferences you and Tank have already had, you said it feel like some of the things he said were stuff he came into there prepared to say. Things that you said weren't true. You've had back and forth with Shakur, right? Where you had to be like, nah, I ain't ducking nothing. When that fight fell apart. How difficult is it when you're sitting at the press conference and dude is talking about where's the girl? When he's talking about how you were raised? Where you come from? You know? And one thing stuck out to me in the press conference. He was like, I know everything about you. He's like, I knew, you said, I know the way you were gonna walk.

• 27:07Ryan Clark?

  I knew the way your team was gonna walk. How long have you been preparing to fight this dude?

• 27:12Speaker 06

  I mean, I've been watching him for a while. You know, not so much for the fight, you know? But, you know, when you talk Tank, everybody watches fights and stuff. You know, so I've been, I've been watched his shit. All his fights, you know? I done watched the majority of his fights or whatever. And then just knowing he was at the weight class, I knew it could potentially be, you know, a fight that would happen. I never thought that they would really take the fight though, you know? So it is, I feel like it was a blessing in disguise with him taking it. But I've been watching him for a little minute, you know? Just from on the outside, like, like him, him fighting other guys and stuff. You know, he nice, you know, he a good fighter. We all know that.

• 27:51Ryan Clark?

  Jackson Marinette.

• 27:52Speaker 06

  Marinette, yeah.

• 27:53Ryan Clark?

  Right. You said you didn't feel good that day. What's that experience like? Cause you end up stopping him in the tent. But what is it like? You mentioned it being lonely. All the things that you have to go through to get to that position. What's the emotion when you realize, okay, today I really don't have it like I need it?

• 28:13Speaker 06

  You figure out, you figure yourself out a lot. When you had those type of fights, those be the fights where you like. You figure out who you are. And that night, I had a bad weight cut.

• 28:25Speaker 06

  You know, so it's like some things, you know, like when you could see something, but you can't react how you want to norm, like your reaction ain't how it normally would be. So it was like that night, I was seeing a lot of stuff, but my body just wasn't reacting in that, that manner that it normally do for me. So like, certain things wasn't working for me in the ring that normally worked for me. So, and there I gotta keep my calm, even though it ain't working, I gotta stay cool. I gotta figure something else out. So it was a lot of like trial and error that I had to, to do up in there, you know, take certain chances to get certain things. But I feel like that fight, I had to dig, I had to dig and, and try some things to get what I wanted. You know, but he wasn't, he wasn't easy to break, you know, so I had to figure it out.

• 29:09Channing Crowder?

  Bro, the pre, the pre-fight stuff, you were talking about the press conferences and all, and then y'all talk slimy to each other, like you talking about, talking about your family, talking about your upbringing. Bro, how much of that, that shit is real? Or is it marketing? Because I love it, like, oh, he hate him, he hate him, now they about to go knock each other out. How much of that shit is really real?

• 29:28Speaker 06

  See, see, on my end, at that press conference, everything, everything was real. Everything was real. Like, I had nothing scripted, I didn't get nothing to say, certain things or none of that. I don't know on his end, how it was, but even prior fights, it's never been nothing that's been scripted, but like, me, I ain't the, you know, you got guys who know how to sell fights, you know, they can talk good, they can sell a fight. Like me, it depends on who I'm fighting. Like, you will get to see a certain side of me. You know, like say if I'm fighting somebody, I'm adaptable. So if I'm fighting somebody who, you know, professional and, and stuff like that, I'm gonna keep it professional. You know, um, if I'm fighting somebody that's like a tank, or somebody who talk crazy, they gonna bring out a different side in me.

• 30:12Speaker 06

  Cause he ain't gonna just like, just talk crazy, like then people gonna get to see, okay, he ain't going, you know, he, he different, you know? But it just depends on who I'm fighting, but to answer your question, I, I, ay, when it come to selling? Hey, I ain't, they ain't tell me the script, nothing, so.

• 30:33Channing Crowder?

  Do that shit be real?

• 30:34Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 30:34Channing Crowder?

  You say something about my mom or something, like, now it's on, like, I see you at the public, I'mma jump on your ass, like, I ain't made like that, but I know, I know the fight game is marketing too as well, so, does that shit build up? Does, does, does animosity continue after the fight?

• 30:51Speaker 06

  Nah, sometimes, sometimes. I never had, I never had a fight where I was just real, like, beefing with a fighter, you know, to the point where, like, we just don't get along, you know, some fighters who like that. But like, me, I can be cautious, like, after, after I, you know what I mean, do what I do to Tank, we can be cool, you know what I mean?

• 31:10Fred Taylor?

  That's what they say Ryan did, uh, in the Haney fight, and then after that, he recently came out, even though you guys share, you know, Derrick, same trainer, he said he's gonna rock with Tank. You know what I'm saying? Some people say, alright, well, is this Ryan trying to sell you guys' fight again?

• 31:28Speaker 06

  He just fake, you know what I mean? I just feel like Ryan just, he just fake.

• 31:32Fred Taylor?

  He lost. But, so, peep this, Jake Paul and Mike Tyson fight, right? And Mike hadn't fought since 2005. Like, you were 10 years old at the time. So I don't know if you had a chance to see Mike fight live or whatever, I don't know. What's your thoughts on, on that fight? Are they selling that fight? Do you expect a real fight? Like, what do you really expect from it?

• 31:54Speaker 06

  On that fight? See, okay, that's different. That's different, right? Let me tell you why. So, on that end, it's more of a, it's business, right? Fighting, period, is business. But you got Mike Tyson, a legend.

• 32:06Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 32:06Speaker 06

  You got the legend. And then people be keep saying, like, damn, you think Mike gonna go out on his shield? And then you got Jake Paul, which is like, a younger guy, which I, I do believe Jake Paul is now, he getting into fighting, and he taking it serious. You got him, a younger guy, and then you got Mike Tyson. So, we talking, if we talking like, business standpoint, they'll be able to make, for a longer time, they'll be able to make money with, uh, Jake Paul. And they'll be able to make money with Tyson, but Jake Paul on a, on a longer run than Mike. You know, so I feel like just me, I feel like they may do something and, you know, give Jake Paul the, the win. You know, I don't see Mike letting him stop him or anything like that.

• 32:50Speaker 06

  But I see him like giving the decision to Jake Paul, you know, just for business standpoint.

• 32:55Fred Taylor?

  I don't know. I, I, I'm a Mike fan, so I'm a rock with the GOAT.

• 32:58Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 32:58Fred Taylor?

  Regardless of whatever they do in that ring. So I just love Mike.

• 33:03Ryan Clark?

  That's the thing. It's prize fighting, right? And it's about being able to not only succeed individually so you can reach your goals professionally, but feed your family. You have roots that are in Detroit. You have roots that are in Fort Wayne. Talk about how your upbringing, the places you are from, that I guess Gervonta has tried to in some way make a negative about your life, you know, having your pops be from Detroit, having that fighting spirit. How you grew up in Fort Wayne with your siblings and your mother? How did those things affect you as it pushed you toward this profession? So I'm from New Orleans, right? And people who are from New Orleans, we're a certain way, right? I say it all the time, like, you're not gonna play in my face.

• 33:47Ryan Clark?

  I'm not gonna take disrespect. I'm gonna check disrespect because that's the way we grew up. We grew up where folks would talk about you. And if they talked about you, we had to find a way to settle it, dap up and move on, right? You have, you come from places with fighting spirits. You know, how has that made you Frank Martin who you are?

• 34:06Speaker 06

  So I say, I say like my, my pop's side, that's, that's the tough side. You know, that's the, that's where I get my, you know, that, that beast in me. That's where I get that from. And my mom's side is the athletes. They the athletes and the more, uh...

• 34:24Speaker 06

  They got, they, they got dog in them too, you know, but it's a, you got a, you got a dirty dog and you got a clean dog, right? But, but, but it's still dog, right? So that's kind of like, you know, it's just a mix of all that, you know? I feel like it give me balance. It give me like, I can, I can bring, I can bring the, the rough, rough side out, or I can just bring, you know, uh, the cool, not, not in cool, it's still a different side, but I can, I know how to balance it out.

• 34:52Channing Crowder?

  And to their point though, cause they, as I watched the interview, they try to paint you as almost like a trust fund baby. You know what I'm saying? Like the suburb thing and all that. Like what's the narrative that you dislike the most that people try to put on you?

• 35:07Speaker 06

  That was the first time I done heard that, the suburban, you know what I mean? That was the first time. I don't know where he got that from. Thing that I hate the most that they try to put on me is me not being prepared for, you know, certain opportunities, you know, like, that's one thing, the, the, just always felt like I ain't ready for something. You know, I was, I fought a dude named Michelle Rivera. They was saying I wasn't ready for that, you know, just a, I just feel like what they don't know, they don't know, you know? And it's like, they still don't know a lot about me, you know? But that's one thing that bother me is like, when people don't feel like I'm ready. How do you beat Gervonta Davis?

• 35:47Channing Crowder?

  Seems like it's that left.

• 35:50Speaker 06

  Nah, it's more than that. We got more in the arsenal now. But, eh, but he said, he, he know what it is. He said, I'm a freakin'. But just sticking to the game plan, you know, me and Derrick, we got a good game plan. And not, not falling asleep in there, you know? A lot of them dudes he fight, they be falling asleep. They stay in the same spot, they fall asleep and then boom. You know, he like to play possum. You know, he'll let a dude take off on him and, and, you know, he looking to find his little shot, you know? So it's just being aware, being alert in there. And I just, I just feel like he ain't been in there with somebody who gonna do certain things that I'm gonna do. Maybe in sparring, he done been in there, but in a real fight? Speed, I can match that speed, I can match the athleticism.

• 36:35Speaker 06

  You know, he make a mistake, anything, like, he gonna have to pay for every little, every little mistake he make, you know, go, go ahead, go back and watch him. Everybody he fight, he make a lot of mistakes. So, uh, it's gonna be a lot that he can't get away, uh, uh, get away with. But, just capitalizing off the game plan me and Derrick got, we got a good one.

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• 37:25Fred Taylor?

  Going back to the press conference, you know, Tank kinda said some words, you know, when he mentioned Derrick, and Derrick like, "Shit, I'm just, I'm chilling, like, well, I gotta get, you know, to the end of it." And then looking at a million dollars' worth of game, shout out Wallow and Gilli. They all, he also mentioned, um, Derrick, Tank mentioned Derrick. When he said, "If you look at my first fight, the fight, fight against Ryan, then you look at Ryan and Devin, what, what was different than, um, Ryan in my fight, than how Ryan was fighting versus Derrick?" So, basically what he was saying was Derrick ain't changing nothing, in my opinion.

• 38:04Speaker 06

  He, the thing that-

• 38:05Fred Taylor?

  What are your thoughts on those comments?

• 38:07Speaker 06

  The thing about that, the thing about that, where he don't see, he don't see.

• 38:11Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 38:11Speaker 06

  You know, is, is things that he don't see, you know, in that, that I, I seen, you know, I seen a different version of, uh, Ryan than I seen when he fought Tank.

• 38:24Speaker 06

  You know, so it's it's things that he not gonna see cuz he don't know what he working. You know, he can he can sit and watch and say that, but it's just things that that he that he don't know cuz he ain't he ain't in there. He not getting talked through certain things and on what to do. You know, so all he doing is just looking, but he don't know what Derrick is is telling the fighter or like what to what to do. That's what he don't know.

• 38:50Fred Taylor?

  You think it's kinda, let me just throw a lot of shit on the wall, let me see what stick, what see what type of reaction I can get out of him?

• 38:57Speaker 06

  Yeah, you know, he was trying to, he was, you know, playing mental games, you know, at the little press, trying to do everything he could cuz he like, uh, what'd he say? Talking about Derrick there for the check, the little female that was with me, the suburban, all that, you know, and a lot, and he said he know me, right? They been they been watching me, him, Kenny, his trainer, all, and they been watching me for like a year. They been knowing they was gonna fight me. But, uh, if he know me, he said a whole lot of stuff wrong. You know, he said a whole lot like that wasn't that wasn't on point, so I don't feel like he know me as much as he think he know me.

• 39:35Ryan Clark?

  We are the pivot, a part of Fanatics, and, you know, we all download the Fanatics Sportsbook app, and we look at it, you're a huge underdog in this fight. What are some of the big upsets that were some of your favorites that would be much like Frank Martin beating Gervonta Davis?

• 39:58Speaker 06

  Like in boxing, that fighters?

• 40:00Ryan Clark?

  Boxing, football, basketball. What are some of the upsets you could point to that would give you the feeling or give us the feeling of a Frank Martin big time win over Gervonta Davis?

• 40:11Speaker 06

  Like a Tarver, Roy Jones?

• 40:13Ryan Clark?

  I cry.

• 40:14Speaker 06

  You know?

• 40:16Ryan Clark?

  Is this as big as a New York Giants wildcard team beating an undefeated Patriots in the Super Bowl?

• 40:26Speaker 06

  I feel like this is gonna be one of them things, because you gotta think, he like the, in this era right now, he like Floyd, you know, he's not supposed to be beat. So I just feel like, man, when it happen, it's gonna, it's gonna send some shockwaves.

• 40:38Ryan Clark?

  It's definitely, you know, you think Antonio Tarver, Roy Jones too, the knockout, and who Roy Jones was seen as. You go back, you know, and Mike Tyson was more iconic, but Buster Douglas, Mike Tyson. We have seen, we have seen.

• 40:54Speaker 06

  He's a pride on that one.

• 40:55Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, we have seen fighters get inside the ring, and on that night, it be their night, because they are skilled enough, because they are talented enough. And I think when I look at you, you know, I see that as a possibility. For you, your team, your family, what would it mean to win this belt here when you fight someone?

• 41:18Speaker 06

  It's everything, you know, it's, it's one of them, it's one of them situations, like I'm in one of them situations that a guy like me is real hard to get, you know, it's real hard to get. So like, me going out here and capitalizing off of this opportunity is just like, everything that I worked for, it really don't get, like, you know how they say, like, what's next? There's always something next, right? But it's just like, the cylinder don't get no higher than this. This put me in like a, a different type of seat, you know, it put me in like, he the face, like he the face of boxing as of now, you know, so it just put me in a, in a way different seat.

• 41:59Speaker 06

  It's not like just going, I'm gonna beat a, a champion, you know, I'm gonna be a champion, the, the, one of the faces of boxing that the world know. Um, it's just big, you know, I'm, I'm able to go take all of that, you know?

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• 42:22Channing Crowder?

  Bro, what, because you brought up Floyd a number of times. We had, we've been with Floyd, Floyd been on the show, what, three times now? Like, we, we hang out with him. But as a boxer... Like, what have you learned from it? Because I don't know if Floyd can teach you what he did, but he's also, he loves to be around young fighters. He loves to embrace guys. So what was being around, talking to Floyd? Like, what has Floyd taught you about fighting? And has it made you a better fighter? Because he could tell me all day to do that shit he does. I couldn't do it.

• 42:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 42:49Channing Crowder?

  You know what I'm saying? Like, what does being around a guy like Floyd do for you?

• 42:52Speaker 06

  He could tell you, uh, man, go run at, go run at 2:00 in the morning. You know, go do it when, because 9:00 to 10:00, we know your opponent's asleep at that time. So go run at 2:00 in the morning and go get yourself a mental edge. You know, like, because you know you out there working every night at 2:00 in the morning running. That's a lot of the times your opponent's asleep. You know, it could be, it could be little things that'll take you to the next level. You know, that Floyd, a person like Floyd, like, if he tell you that, you gonna take a lot of heed to it and you gonna, it's gonna give you a different type of motivation when you doing it. He could show you something, you know, and it could be the same thing. You know, you might not be able to do it like him, but just it coming from him, it'd give you like a different type of like feel about yourself.

• 43:36Fred Taylor?

  With Tank's recent comments about Shakur talking too much, and that's who he's gonna fight next, do you think he's looking past you?

• 43:44Speaker 06

  I feel like he ain't looking past me, but he trying to, he trying to distract himself with knowing he gotta see me. I feel like he trying to distract himself. He talking about a seven fight deal, that's over with. You know, after, after June 15th, that little fight deal, that's over with. You know, so, you know, he could do the talking. He can look past me, it's the wrong thing to do, you know, but I, I feel like he just trying to have something distract his mind instead of having ghosts on his mind.

• 44:16Fred Taylor?

  Right, I love it.

• 44:18Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it's a, it's a historical night, right? It's June 15th, PBC, pay-per-view, I believe, Amazon Prime, streaming.

• 44:29Ryan Clark?

  Benavides will be on his card as well. The 100th, I think, Fight Night in MGM history.

• 44:37Ryan Clark?

  What does it mean for Frank Martin, who picked up boxing on his way to be expelled from high school, to be on that card?

• 44:49Speaker 06

  Everything, you know, just, just this, this for the people who feel like, like if you can't, like a lot of times, you know, don't let nobody, this is some motivation for the underdogs, you know, or the late, the late bloomers, if you get into the sport late. Don't ever let when you started or what people say deter you from, you know, what it is you feel you can accomplish or do. You know what I mean? Go out, give your all, you know, and, you know, just, as long as you know within yourself, like what's in there and what you working for, that's all that matter. You know what I mean? Like the world could be like me, the world could be against me. Like this fight, the world could be against me. You know, I know everything I'm doing. Behind every closed door, I know what I'm doing.

• 45:34Speaker 06

  So like, come fight night, it's gonna show. You know, all my, everything I done did is gonna show, you know? So just always, always, you know, just believe in yourself. That's for the underdogs right there. I love it. Yeah. That's it. That's the rap.

• 45:51Ryan Clark?

  Appreciate you, dawg.

• 45:52Speaker 06

  For sure.

• 45:53Ryan Clark?

  How much you walk, how much you walk around, Frank?

• 45:55Speaker 06

  Like 55.

• 45:56Ryan Clark?

  55?

• 45:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 45:57Ryan Clark?

  All in the, bro.

• 45:58Speaker 06

  Yeah, I appreciate you.

• 45:58Ryan Clark?

  I got you, man, I'ma lock it in. When you was wrestling at, uh, high school, what were you wrestling at?

• 46:02Speaker 06

  52.

• 46:03Ryan Clark?

  52?

• 46:03Speaker 06

  Yeah, so.

• 46:04Ryan Clark?

  Oh, so you, you pretty much?

• 46:05Speaker 06

  So when I started, when I started wrestling, I was wrestling at 52. And you know wrestling, you got an advantage because, because I was shorter. The dudes was a lot taller.

• 46:13Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 46:14Speaker 06

  So I just take, you know, shoot on their legs and stuff. So when I first started boxing, I was boxing at 52. And then I'm, I'm like, damn, these dudes tall at 52. So I'm like, long and tall.

• 46:24Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 46:24Speaker 06

  So then I'm like, all right, I'ma cut down. So then I, I ended up going to 41. Ended up dropping down to 41. And then, as I, when I turned pro, so amateurs, I was 41 my whole amateur career. And then, uh, when I turned pro, I went to 35.

• 46:37Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 46:38Speaker 06

  So, you know.

• 46:39Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. That shit crazy. Very appreciate you, bro.

• 46:42Speaker 06

  I appreciate y'all, man. I'm proud of y'all.

• 46:44Channing Crowder?

  Nah, you good, bro. Man, I'm making work.

• 46:46Speaker 06

  Shit, man, bro, we ain't trying to.

• 46:47Channing Crowder?

  I put the morgue on you, brother.

• 46:48Speaker 06

  Go ahead and shut that nigga up. I haven't tried to hit Mike.

• 46:51Channing Crowder?

  I'm telling you, man.

• 46:52Speaker 06

  I'm telling you, man.

• 46:53Channing Crowder?

  That's dope, man.

• 46:54Speaker 06

  Good art.

• 47:20Speaker 08

  Every game day, you show up for your team. Now, it's your time.

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