Visualize Your Victory W/ Phil Mickelson

When the pressure is on and your biggest dreams and goals are on the line... when all eyes are on you... how do you EXECUTE with clarity and accuracy? You VISUALIZE your victory! This week's interview breaks down the path to victory and I could think of NO ONE BETTER to join us in this conversation than my dear friend and one of the top 5 golfers of ALL TIME, Phil "Lefty" Mickelson! Phil is one of the GREATEST athletes from the last 2 decades in ANY SPORT! He's in the World Golf Hall of Fame (and still playing), he's won 44 PGA Tour, 51 professional wins, 5 Majors, 3 Masters and has spent 700+ weeks in the top 10 golfers in the world! And what's even more inspiring is that his professional wins are minuscule compared to the type of father, husband, and friend he is! It is my delight to bring you inside the mind of a true GOAT! Ever wonder what the difference is between the person who finishes #1 and the person who finishes last? In this interview, you'll learn the secret formula YOU need if you want to be able to pull away from the masses, sharpen your skills and your mental preparation and bring home the WIN. Whether you are trying to win in sports, in business, in your relationships, in your faith, in your fitness, in any area of your life, the formula is the same! Learn how one of the most successful athletes trains his brain in PREPARATION to win and how to turn visualizing your victory into an obsession! Remember, our obsessions become our possessions! If you are ready to attain your biggest victory, this interview is for you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:45Ed Mylett?

  All right, welcome back to Max Out, everybody. I am so excited for the gentleman that I've asked to be on the program today. I have one of the greatest athletes of the last two decades in any sport. He also happens to be one of the greatest golfers of all time. And I'm excited to have him on, not just because he's a great athlete, but because of the things I know about him personally as well. But from an athlete's standpoint, which is how you know him. He's a World Golf Hall of Fame member already, while he's still playing. Forty-four PGA Tour wins, 51 professional wins, five majors, three Masters, 700-plus weeks in the top 10 in the world. And like I said, and that's just part of his resume. But the thing that I'm the most impressed about between our mutual friends is the kind of husband he is,

• 2:29Ed Mylett?

  the kind of father he is, friend, and also the way that I've watched him treat people, even my own children, when I didn't even know they were my own children at our club from time to time. He's a good man, and I'm going to get a whole bunch of out of his brain today. So please welcome Phil Mickelson to the show. Phil, thanks for being here, brother.

• 2:45Phil Mickelson?

  My pleasure. Thanks for having me on. I'm glad we had a chance to do this.

• 2:48Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, I am too, man. And there's so much I want to ask you. Everyone, this show today is just sort of selfish, because if I could make a list of the people I'd want on, you guys always get your guests on, Phil has been on my list for a long time. Because, and I'm gonna tell you all why. The show is called Max Out for a reason. It's about mentally getting yourself to that elite level in life. And I think in the golf world, there's no more articulate person than this man that's here with us today. So we're gonna go all over the place, brother. Family, golf, mindset, everything. So I want to start out, my son's gonna play college golf next year.

• 3:21Phil Mickelson?

  Nice.

• 3:22Ed Mylett?

  And so he asked me to stick one question in there, and I figured I'd put it in first. So, you know, a lot of entrepreneurs listen to this, and they're at different levels. You and I both know people have done pretty well in business. You know, they're successful. And you and I know some of the most successful entrepreneurs of all time. In your chosen craft, you've got to that, you know, wanted, you're in the top 10 players, arguably top 5 players in the history of a game that you play, of your sport. And I'm just curious, my son asked me, ask Phil, what's the difference between the number 50 player in the world and the number 1 player in the world? And is there a difference also between the guys that make the PGA Tour that never get there, that are these great players that play on the mini tours? What's the separator between number 50 and number 1?

• 4:07Ed Mylett?

  And even those that get to the top 130 or so on the PGA Tour and quite never get there? What do you think the separator is?

• 4:14Phil Mickelson?

  So I can answer that with a lot of different ways, but I would give you one example of a young player that came to me after just coming out of college and he said, "Listen, I'm trying to play the tour and I'm struggling with putts inside three feet." And I gave him a drill that was given to me by Jackie Burke where you have to make 103 footers in a row and if you miss one, you have to start over. And so I was struggling with short putts when I went and worked with Jackie. He gave it to me and it took me two days for hours and hours before I finally got all 100 in a row. In fact, the first time I got it, I missed the 100th putt and then I made the next 100 putts. And so I gave it to this guy and I ran into him two weeks later and said, "Hey, how's it going?" He says, "I made it to 50 and then I kinda, I kinda stopped." And it's that, the difference there is that I was willing to do whatever it took, however

• 4:59Phil Mickelson?

  long it took, until I reached that goal of making 100 putts. And he was like, "Yeah, you know, if I, if I get it, great. And if not, it was no big deal." And so obviously, he's not still playing. That's kind of the difference between making it and not making it is that complete one of, that mindset of just seeing what you have to do and doing whatever it takes to get it. The difference between like the number one guy and the 50th guy on tour, let's say, a lot of it has to do with his ability to visualize, to see shots before it happens. So a lot of people have the ability to execute the shot, but if you can't see the shot you're trying to execute, you'll never be able to hit it. And the people that see the, see the clearest, that visualize the clearest, rise to the

• 5:43Phil Mickelson?

  top. And the guys that are just slightly behind tend to not see things as clearly. That's the best way for me to put it. It's that they're not able to visualize their success and to see what exactly they want to do right away.

• 5:56Ed Mylett?

  It's interesting. As an entrepreneur, I'm always sort of surprised. I get paid to coach people too. And I'll say, "Hey, give me some of your, you know, your top five goals." I'm always amazed by their, how vague people even are, the specificity of even the goal itself. And then I'll ask an elite athlete and it's like, "I hit 330, 114 RBIs, 36 home runs." They know exactly what it is. But the visualization part, do you do that before you play? Or are you talking about over the shot only? I'm just curious. Do you, describe the two types.

• 6:28Phil Mickelson?

  So visualizing and mental preparation is every bit as effective as physical preparation. There was a study done 25 years ago involving free throws and you had three subjects. One only shot, only physically shot three free throws. One group only was able to visualize shooting free throws for a week or two and then the next group was able to do both, visualize and shoot. And the ones that visualized solely performed every bit as well as the ones that were able to physically do it and visualize and the ones that had no visualization was quite a bit behind the other two groups. And so when you visualize, you visualize perfection. You visualize hitting the shot the way you want to.

• 7:09Phil Mickelson?

  And so I remember just before the Masters one year, I had missed the cut and the week before I was playing terrible. I did not hit any balls for five days, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, leading up to the Masters because I wasn't physically able to hit it the way I wanted to. But what I would do is I would lay at home, I would grab a club and I would visualize making a perfect swing, I would visualize hitting a perfect shot. I played nine holes in those five days and I ended up finishing third. I didn't win, but I played some really good golf, by far better than what I had played the week before by just using mental rehearsal and preparation. So it's a powerful tool that you really need to combine it with physical practice, but it's a great way to get yourself ready because you only see yourself doing it the proper way, doing it perfectly.

• 7:52Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, that's the thing I tell entrepreneurs all the time. I had a baseball injury in college and this is so important in business. Athletes know this and I read a book about 20 years ago called The Corporate Athlete by Gary Grappel. And his contention back in the day was that business people are going to begin to perform and act like athletes and that the mental preparation, the mental rehearsal, I took it very seriously. I attribute that to be 50% of my success in businesses, my obsession with visualization and dreaming and clarity and repeating because your mind gravitates towards what it's most familiar with. So if your mind's most familiar with the perfect shot, the perfectly executed meeting, the perfectly executed close, you gravitate in that direction.

• 8:35Ed Mylett?

  If it's obsessed with the failure, the fear, or something vague, it moves towards that as well. And ironically, he said, Phil, at the same time, he saw athletes would begin to act more like CEOs. And I watched guys like you, or LeBron James, or the Tiger Woods, as you're businessmen now as well. You know, years ago, there was Nicklaus and Palmer and a few handful of guys. Now, the rest of you, your company, you're a brand within yourself. And when I was reading your resume, I'm curious, just, I'd say 51 wins, 44 on tour, five majors, top 10 player of all time, maybe top 5 player of all time. Has your career turned out the way you thought it would? Is it more, less, or about what you expected it to be?

• 9:19Phil Mickelson?

  It's close to what I thought it would be. I actually thought I would win all four majors. I still have the US Open to go, and I might have a couple of reasonable shots at it, but I always thought I would win all four. But getting back to what you were talking about, the visualization, the CEOs have a vision, and they're able to see things that others aren't. And then they know exactly how they're going to implement this to get that, to reach that goal. And in golf, I'm able to see shots that others just don't see. And so, rather than try to articulate or whatever, I just demonstrate or show, and that's what CEOs do, is they have the ability to visualize how they're going to achieve success in business, where others just don't have that vision. And that's what separates those entrepreneurs that are able to visualize it and see something that's going to be successful, and others don't have that vision.

• 10:02Ed Mylett?

  That's so good, brother. So you guys, that's why I wanted him on, I told you. So, I'm curious, that thing you have, sometimes our greatest talent can be our greatest curse. So, I wasn't born with a bunch of talents, but one of them is pretty good at talking, pretty good articulator. God gave me a pretty deep voice, so I've used all those things to my advantage in business. So, I've been able to motivate and inspire people with my words. I've also said some stupid things in my life that have come back to hurt me with that same gift. And in your case, you know, in the beginning of your career, the first, you know, you were 13 years, I think, on tour before you won your first major. Lot of wins, very successful. But everybody, you're looking one of the greatest players of all time, and I think

• 10:46Ed Mylett?

  there's something to be said for the fact that it took this man 13 years, correct me if I'm wrong, Phil, to win your first major. And I'd like you to talk about... The patience that required, but also was there a modification in the way you approached the game at all? In other words, just because I have a vision, I could see it, sometimes executing a different approach sometimes serves us and it served you on the golf course. Have you changed that at all or did you just finally catch up to your talent and win?

• 11:15Phil Mickelson?

  You're exactly right. And there was a turning point. And in those 13 years, I never doubted that I would win majors. I never doubted that I would win multiple majors. But something had to click to put you over the top because there is a difference between a major and a regular tournament. The penalty for a missed hit is much more severe. You have to control your emotions a lot, a lot more because you'll get frustrated after hitting a good shot and ending up with a bad score or a bogey. So it can be a bigger challenge, let's say. Well, before the 04 Masters, I ended up working with Dave Pels and one of the things that we decided to do was better preparation. So I ended up going

• 11:57Phil Mickelson?

  to Augusta with him and spent three days hitting shots into every green of where I wanted to be. So there would be spots where the pin would be and I knew I wanted to be in such and such place. I would hit that shot over and over. And then if I, in the tournament, I was there, I've already hit that shot. I was much better prepared. And so I tried to make the major course like my home course where I knew where every ball was going to end up, every place you wanted to be. I had hit that shot before, knew what it was going to do. So it was the preparation that changed. And my first event after preparing like that was the 04 Masters, which I ended up winning.

• 12:32Ed Mylett?

  He ends up winning. Speaking of preparation, there's this guy Peyton Manning that I've got to know a little bit the last six months. I just, I interviewed Peyton for my coaching group. And it leads me to something I want people to know about that you're involved with. And I want to ask you a question about preparation. So you're involved with something called The Match Champions for Charity. For everybody who doesn't know, this epic event last year, The Match, Phil against Tiger. Phil won. I think he picked up a couple bucks. I think it was like 10 million bucks or something for one day's work. But you've got something going right now. It's you, it's you and Brady, Tom Brady and Phil Mickelson against Tiger

• 13:16Ed Mylett?

  Woods and Peyton Manning on May 24th. What should we know about that?

• 13:23Phil Mickelson?

  So there's a couple of things. The first thing is that all $10 million being paid to the players are being donated to COVID-19 relief efforts. So it's cool that these guys have stepped up to use their platform to provide entertainment, but also to help others in need. And we'll try to cover all the bases from healthcare workers that need some assistance as well as small businesses and all the people that are affected will be able to try to create some relief revenue for those people. But the other thing that's cool is that in the first match Tiger and I clammed up the back nine. When you're playing for that much money, it's hard to talk smack. So we were quiet and this match having partners will get more out of us. So we have no caddies. So Tom Brady and myself will be discussing

• 14:05Phil Mickelson?

  each shot for each of us, what we're thinking. We'll be talking smack amongst each other as well as to the other team. And Peyton Manning is such a, so, so good at that, that there's going to be a lot more banter. It'll be a lot more entertaining than the first one where, where it was just Tiger and myself.

• 14:21Ed Mylett?

  Are you gonna win or do you not know?

• 14:23Phil Mickelson?

  Oh, no, no, I'm definitely gonna win. Now, keep in mind, we were going to play this at another course. We're gonna play it somewhere else in Florida. Tiger lost the first match and was, he's so upset that he forced us to go to his home course. And I'm not kidding. We are at his home course because Tiger and he wants to win. And so there's nothing I would love more than the opportunity to go to his home course and give him a bad memory.

• 14:48Ed Mylett?

  That's awesome. We'll talk about you and Tiger in a minute, but I want people, I, I have this theory. I have Dominic Cruz, who's a UFC fighter. He fought this weekend for the bantamweight championship for the UFC. Good buddy of mine. In fact, in the very room I'm in, I interviewed him for the show. And when I was interviewing him, he said, you know, I think there's a handful of moments in your life that can define you. You know, and you kind of sometimes, you, sometimes you don't know you're in them. Sometimes you know you're in them. And it's a matter of winning that fight, making that putt. And I kind of believe that's true. Maybe there's five or 10. I don't think you get one shot in your life. If you're a preparer, you might get more than one. But what is it like? Take

• 15:30Ed Mylett?

  us through your body. I know you've made a million putts to win tournaments in college and high school and as a junior, but it's, it's 2004. You're at Augusta National. There's a lot of pressure on you. You're the best player to ever not win a major. People were talking about, hey, there's this thing he's gonna do. He's gonna, he's gonna try to hit a shot he shouldn't hit on the back nine. He's not gonna win. You're over about an 18-foot putt. I want everybody in the world to listen to this. If you're driving in your car, I want you to picture what this man had. 13 years on tour. You have to picture this. He was expected to be a great player. People expected Phil Mickelson to come out on tour. He won a tournament on the PGA Tour as a freaking amateur, right?

• 16:14Ed Mylett?

  And now you're over that moment. You're now in the moment. It's about an 18-foot putt. I think the most prestigious golf tournament in the world, the Masters. You make this putt, you're winning the Masters by all intensive purposes. What goes through your freaking mind in a moment like that? Is it just another putt? Or is that different? And what do you do to execute under that kind of pressure?

• 16:37Phil Mickelson?

  So the visualization is the most important thing. So I stood behind that putt and I saw it go in over and over. And then I let that feeling of what the stroke was going to have to be, enter my body. And as I walk up to the ball, I try, I try to maintain that feel. I try to maintain that sense of what it feels like to create that stroke and that roll. Just like I did the 8 iron into the 18th green to set that shot up. I'm visualizing the shot. I'm seeing the way I want the ball to fly. And I'm letting the feeling enter my body of what it feels like to create that shot through all the many hours of practice. And I try to hold that feeling so that I can get over the ball and just recreate it and let it happen, kind of get out of my way, make it almost a reactionary sport. Like

• 17:21Phil Mickelson?

  in basketball, when you get the ball, you just see the hoop and you shoot it and you have this intrinsic feel of what it feels like to make that shot. I try to let golf be much like that where I visualize and see the shot and then that feeling enter my body and, and react to it rather than have a, a, a series of conscious thoughts. And so over that putt, and I'm visualizing the ball tracking down, rolling into the cup, and I'm feeling intrinsically what it feels like to create that stroke as I'm standing behind the ball, walking up to the ball, over the ball, and I try to create that feel while I still have it. If I lose it, back away.

• 17:55Ed Mylett?

  You back away and go back through that routine again. So everybody, listen to me. You're an entrepreneur, you're a business owner, you're an athlete, listen to this. Do you have that kind of level of preparation in your big meeting? Your big moment? Are you visualizing to that extent? And I'm curious, I've always wanted to know this because I play golf and if I had an 18-foot putt to win the Masters, let me tell you what would creep into my mind. I'd be afraid I'd hit a five-peat pass and miss the comeback putt. The reason I say that to you is, I know that's what an amateur thinks, but I'd be thinking, "I want to make this putt, but..." And the "but" creeps in. And I don't think, I've played golf with guys that play on your tour that are friends of mine who have confessed to me, I've asked them, "Hey, they've made a cut."

• 18:39Ed Mylett?

  These are guys on your tour, I'm not going to say who they are, and I've asked them, "What are you thinking over the tee shot on Saturday on one after you've made the cut?" And I'm not exaggerating, I've had guys tell me, professional golfers, PGA Tour golfers, tell me, "Don't top it." I'm not kidding. "Don't top it." It just shocked me. You're at that level and you still have that fear. Does the fear creep in for you of some type? And if it does, how do you ward it off? Because, why do I ask that? I ask that, Phil, because a lot of the people that are listening to this are going to have that big meeting, that one client they meet, that one thing. And I know fear creeps in for them because they've not been there before. Had they mentally rehearsed it, maybe they would be. But do you get fear when you're out there and do

• 19:24Ed Mylett?

  you do anything if you do experience it?

• 19:26Phil Mickelson?

  You cannot play fearful. Playing golf with fear is a recipe for failure. And you cannot visualize what you don't want to have happen, you have to visualize what you do. And what I, I see a lot of players struggle when things go bad and their inability to control their thoughts and refocus on what they want to have happen. And the thought of what they don't want to have happen continues to enter their mind over and over, and they don't have the ability to push that out and refocus on what they actually want to have happen. I find meditation is the best way to practice that because when you focus on a particular point, whether it be the tip of a candle or such, you have to control your thoughts. And thoughts will enter in from all areas and you have to be able to push those out

• 20:10Phil Mickelson?

  and refocus on that candle or what you're trying to focus on. And that ability to control your thoughts ultimately will lead to success, I believe, in whatever your line of work is because you have to be able to see what you want to have happen. And push out those negative thoughts of what you don't want to have happen at will. You've got to be able to control your thoughts.

• 20:32Ed Mylett?

  Do you feel like that's a, does that give you confidence that maybe you have that muscle that other guys don't have? Do you, are you conscious of that? Can you almost, you're playing with a guy or you know something, like is that a part of your swag, your confidence that you believe you have that ability? And even at your level, not everybody does.

• 20:50Phil Mickelson?

  I, I do believe that and I also have a very quick memory and the ability to put things behind me and refocus on what I want to have happen. So every golf swing that I make, I'm trying to create a certain feeling and create a certain shot. I'm not trying to fix the previous swing. And I see a lot of people try to fix what went wrong before and they're working out of the negative rather than create a great shot for the next one. So I'm always trying to work out of the positive. And so I have this belief that even if I hit a few bad shots, my next one is going to be great. And I see it pulling, coming off exactly the way I want to. I feel it before I hit it and I try to create that. And it doesn't always work. And the reason I'm able to articulate is because I've had the same struggles. I've had the same struggle of dealing with fearful shots or fearing what I don't want

• 21:35Phil Mickelson?

  to have happen, seeing what I don't want to have happen. And, and now that I've gone through that and I've learned how to control my thoughts even better, I'm able to articulate it better.

• 21:45Ed Mylett?

  So I just want to say in the middle of this, just so you know, this is one of my favorite conversations ever, just so you know. We've done several hundred of these. So we won't go the three and a half hours I warned you about, but I got to ask you. It's 2016, I'm going everywhere, brother. You know what I'm going to ask you. It's 2016, those of you that are not huge golf fans, Phil needs to win the US Open and win the career grand slam. And he's come close a bazillion times to winning the US Open. I think I have the right year. I'm pretty good at golf, golf history. Maybe I'm wrong, you can correct me. It's 2016, Phil's going to win the US Open. And I think you bogeyed the 16th hole, you come back, you par 17, maybe I have my years wrong, I got a digit wrong, 2006.

• 22:28Ed Mylett?

  He bogeyed 16, par 17, and if you par 18, you're probably going to win the US Open. And you hit a bad tee shot. There's a series of events that in hindsight weren't great decisions potentially. I want to ask you about that. And I remember at the end of the round watching you, I've always rooted for you. I'm a left-handed golfer. The way you treat people, like most fans, I just root for you. And I remember physically in my body hurting for you, you know? And I remember you saying, I think you literally said, I'm such an idiot. I can't believe I did that. I think you actually referred to yourself that way. I want to know, what does it feel like to have a failure? All of us here, failure in a marriage, failure in a business, and we have to come back again.

• 23:13Ed Mylett?

  And you have an event like that happen. How did you come back? What were you thinking? How long did it take you to come back? Et cetera. Tell us about that.

• 23:23Phil Mickelson?

  So I lost six US Opens where I finished second. The Wingfoot was one I probably came closest, but there was another one I'd rather talk about, which was Marion in 2013, where I had a chance. I was tied for the lead or leading with nine or 10 holes to go. And I ended up hitting a bad wedge on a short par three, and I made bogey on a hole that you really needed to make birdie. I ended up losing by a shot or two to Justin Rose. And for the next week, I was, I was really down because that was a, I was 43 years old. It was kind of my last chance to, one of my last chances, let's say, to win a US Open. And I was really down after letting that one slide. And I went to a place with my family, spent about seven to 10 days. And about the eighth or ninth day, it dawned on me that I'm playing really good golf. And even though I lost, I don't want to let

• 24:08Phil Mickelson?

  this linger and carry on into my next, my next performances, my next opportunities. And so I went to Europe and played in the Scottish and British Open. And it happened to be probably the best two-week experience of my career. I ended up winning the Scottish Open, my first tournament win in Europe on links golf. I followed it up with winning the British Open at Muirfield, where I never didn't, I never really believed I would win the British Open the way I knew I was going to win the Masters or other majors. And so... That was probably my greatest accomplishment. So I went from one of my toughest failures to my greatest accomplishment, meaning we can't let the failures hold us back. Yeah, it hurts, it stings, but we have to put it behind us and learn from those mistakes and not let

• 24:52Phil Mickelson?

  that hold us back because we have to refocus on what we want to accomplish and we're all going to deal with setbacks and failures. And I've had a number of them, but I've also had a lot of successes that make up for it.

• 25:04Ed Mylett?

  So you're, are you one of these guys where like you savor these wins more than you lament the losses? I interviewed a lot of athletes. They go, no, to be honest with you, some of these losses hurt more than the wins felt good. What's true for you?

• 25:17Phil Mickelson?

  I think that I certainly hate to lose more than I love to win and that motivates me to work harder with the failures that I have and it motivates me to practice harder so that I don't lose. It's not so much the great experience of winning that I thrive on, it's just that I hate to lose. But as I look back, I really try to cherish the positive moments that have happened in my career and appreciate and be grateful for having those moments, those memories. And I try not to dwell too much on the failures, but the one failure that I will look back on is the one that you mentioned in the 06 US Open week, but it wasn't the drive that really bothered me. I missed, I only hit two fairways out of 14 the whole day. It was the second shot because my short game that week was better

• 26:01Phil Mickelson?

  than it's ever been. It was the best short game week of my career. I hit, I averaged, I think, three or four fairways around and yet I almost won the US Open. So it was the second shot that I did not carve the three iron around the tree. I started a little too far left, it caught the limb and fell straight down. If I started a little bit further right and sliced it around that tree and I had a fine lie, I came off of the corporate hospitality temp, but that grass was all matted down, my lie was fine, that three iron gets up by the green, I'm going to get that up and down. That was the best week of my short game. I would have made a four and the second shot was the one that I look back on.

• 26:36Ed Mylett?

  That's interesting because I'm going to challenge you on that. I think you know that a lot of people thought the error was in trying to hit the three iron. Didn't people feel like you should have tried to lay up and just get up and down or am I wrong about that? That they felt like?

• 26:50Phil Mickelson?

  A lot of people probably thought that, but again, I'm able to see things that others aren't and I had a eye and all I have to do is just hit a high cut three iron around the tree, it's going to end up by the green somewhere, probably on the green. It wasn't a hard shot, I'm going to pull it off seven out of 10 times, eight out of 10 times, it's going to end up by the green if not on. And then my short game takes over and I get up and down when the US Open. So I pushed it about two yards too far to the left and it caught the limbs.

• 27:15Ed Mylett?

  I love it. Thank you for sharing that, by the way. I love being, I love being in that moment with you because I'm never going to be in that moment in sports, right? So, and most of us aren't going to be. I want to talk about your approach. I, there's four dudes you're playing with and again, guys, check out this Champions for Charity, it's going to be special, it's going to be really, really cool. Your approach is a little different. And I mean, let me tell you what I mean by that and maybe it's just exterior. And I think you give hope to people. I'm an intense guy. And I think when people see me in business, they see other intense business leaders, they think you have to be, I don't know, whatever I am. And then in golf, Tiger's approach up until recently was just this,

• 27:57Ed Mylett?

  he wasn't kissing babies and hugging every patron at every tournament in between holes, let's put it that way. There's a, there's this thing about him, right? And Brady, intense. I think Peyton, in his own way, intense. You seem to function when you're playing your sport, almost like you're enjoying, you're enjoying the experience. You seem, maybe it's exterior, you seem looser to me. You've probably been told that before. You're looking at the crowd, you're making eye contact, you're smiling more. Is that a tactic where it keeps you relaxed and loose? Is it just your disposition? Or is there this, if we cut you and Tiger open, inside, the same things going on internally in your heart and mind in terms of intensity?

• 28:43Phil Mickelson?

  So part of it is my disposition and part of it is a tactic because I realized about myself that I play and perform better when I'm having fun and when I'm more talkative. And some people play better when they are quiet and block everything out and don't say a word, but that's not me. That's not how I play my best. I actually tried doing that early in my career and I would go to these majors determined that I'm going to be focused and win and I would get tight and I wouldn't play my best golf doing that. And so I found out that and realized that part of myself is talking more, laughing, having fun, telling stories, getting my mind off of the shots in between and then refocusing when it was time to hit the shot, I played my best. And so when I get a little too quiet, I find

• 29:27Phil Mickelson?

  I get a little too tight and I have to make an effort to be a little bit more talkative, listen, tell stories, what have you, to loosen me up because that's what allows me to play my best. And part of success is each person has to find out what works best for them.

• 29:41Ed Mylett?

  Very good. And I gotta tell you, I asked Zach Johnson, who's the first guest I had on the show, about this very topic. I'm a very competitive person. I've also been blessed to be around athletes like yourself that have performed at a level that I'll never get to. And, you know, I know what it's like to have to play pickleball with John Elway at 2 o'clock in the morning because I've beaten him five times and he's not going to leave until he's beat you. Or playing cards with different guys. I'm watching the ESPN documentary on Michael Jordan right now. He's competing with the security guard and who can throw a card or a coin up against the wall the closest. And you're a notorious

• 30:24Ed Mylett?

  crazy person competitor. And I asked Zach, I said, Zach, do you love golf? I was surprised at his answer. It was more like, I like golf. I don't love the grind of it anymore. What I love is to compete and I'm best at golf. That's where I can win the most. So two things. A, talk about competition and how much it means to you. And then B, do you love golf? Do you love the game of golf?

• 30:49Phil Mickelson?

  I love golf beyond belief.

• 30:52Phil Mickelson?

  Because I love every aspect of the game. I love the competition, that's certainly a big part of it. I love getting out with the guys, smack talking. I love competing at the highest level in majors and PGA Tour events. I also love getting out there with friends or going out to the golf course by myself in the solitude and just trying to practice and get better on my own. I love every element that the game provides.

• 31:13Phil Mickelson?

  But I also need golf in my life because my mind doesn't shut off. And if I don't go, if I don't have something to consume all my thoughts, I could easily go down a negative direction. I've always, gambling is an easy way for me to go down. I've never tried a recreational drug, but if I ever did, it would be easy for me to get caught up in that. I have to have something positive to consume my thoughts, and golf has been a savior for me in my life. I ultimately end up having other hobbies so that when I get outside of golf, I have to hyper-focus on whatever that is. And so, you know, for a long time, I ended up flying and I got into flying and kind of dove all into that. And then I got into martial arts and then I got into sniper shooting.

• 31:55Phil Mickelson?

  I have to have something to consume my thoughts, but golf has saved me because it's a four or five hour meditation experience. And it's given me something at midnight to be focused on. What about a golf club? What if I tried doing something a little different? Maybe two drivers at the Masters, maybe no drivers at the British Open, maybe only one driver in the PGA. And I've won majors with zero, one, and two drivers. I've tried, I've created new clubs. I have three or four patents with, from the companies that I've been with, from creating some ideas. My mind doesn't shut off. Maybe it's my golf swing. At 2:30, I'll have a dream and I can't wait to get out to the golf course to do it. If I didn't have golf, my mind would go down, could easily go down some negative paths.

• 32:37Phil Mickelson?

  And so, I need that positive element to focus on, and golf has given me that, as well as so much more. Not only a form of competition and camaraderie and solitude, but also an incredible living. I really owe the game of golf a lot in my life. I love it, I appreciate it, and I'm so grateful for it.

• 32:57Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, you're just, yeah, brother, we were talking off camera and I think if you're married this, if you're a crazy person like Phil and I are, you should go back and rewind the last five minutes and play it for your spouse. Because if you're with, and y'all know what I'm talking about, you're an obsession, obsessive, addictive person that most people can't connect and relate to. That's most max out people that are listening to this. And they need to know that you want them to have, we're gonna have an obsession. So best we find healthy ones. And best for you that are listening to this, that you find healthy ones. And so I'm really glad that you articulate it that way. There's a couple of things also I've admired about you that I want to ask you about. You're 49, maybe 50 years old in June, right? Yeah.

• 33:38Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, and you're, you're, you seem to me as hungry, as innovative, as creative, as driven as you have ever been in your career. Like it's not really ebbed and flowed. And I like to think I have an element of that myself, too. I don't need to be doing this today, you don't need to be doing this today. Yet we're both fascinated with contributing and growing and experiencing new things. Yet not everyone's that way, Phil. You know, a bunch of guys, when they won their first tour, they stopped, their first tournament, they stopped working as hard, or they got their tour card, or they got their first big check, or they won their first major. There was somebody I watched, I remember when they won their first major and they said something, I remember thinking, that will be their only major championship. Right?

• 34:23Ed Mylett?

  You seem to be fueled almost, your fire's fueled by the success you've had. What causes a 50-year-old guy like you, who's already cemented his place in history, to be so driven and hungry at this stage of your life still? And you know that's not normal, you know that that's not, there's not a lot of guys like you. What is that? What is it?

• 34:48Phil Mickelson?

  So money doesn't drive me. I've been fortunate to be okay there, but what drives me is my passion and love for the game of golf and the challenge of trying to do something that others can't. And so, winning major championships as I get older in life, or winning PGA Tour events as I get further along in my life, that becomes a greater challenge than it was before. And so, it's a greater work ethic. I appreciate it more. It forces me to get in the gym. If you look at pictures from the 2006 US Open, where I am the heaviest I've ever been, I'm wearing a yellow shirt, and I'm just disgusted at how much of a house I am in that picture. And then, where I am now, I eat better, I take care of myself better. I wish I had done that more in my career, understood and appreciated the elements

• 35:31Phil Mickelson?

  of nutrition and overall fitness to help you perform better. I wish I had been more aware of that, but I got educated on it a little bit later, and it's not too late. It forces me to get in better shape, to keep my swing speed up. So I'm actually stronger than I've been in a long time. My swing speed is faster than it's been since actually ever in my career. I'm hitting the ball longer than I have, and there's no reason why I can't go out and compete with the young, great players of today. And I think that that challenge is what drives me. That love that I have for the game of golf and that difficult challenge continues to motivate me. I think I can do something that nobody else has done or thought possible, win major championships in their 50s, win PGA Tour events in their 50s, and play some of my best golf in my 50s. I believe it's possible.

• 36:16Ed Mylett?

  That means you're not going to go play on the Champions Tour, you're going to be on the PGA Tour. Is that what that means?

• 36:20Phil Mickelson?

  I'm not ruling that out, because I really appreciate the guys that are on the Champions Tour. A lot of them are my friends, and a lot of them set up the PGA Tour to give me that opportunity. And the Champions Tour, if I can help out that Tour by playing a few events and maybe have a little bit more sponsor interest and so forth, and get that Tour so it does not need funding from the PGA Tour, I would love to do that to help out. So I might play two, three, four, five events, I'm not sure, but I don't want to devalue what that Tour is. But the challenge that motivates me and drives me is winning major championships and PGA Tour events against the best players in the world.

• 36:56Ed Mylett?

  I want everyone to hear that. A lot of my audience, I have audience from 12 years old to 70 years old, and if there's a 50-year-old man that's telling you he's going to go out, and by the way, absolutely can still win another major, still has one of the greatest short games of all time, I think the greatest short game of all time. And most people believe that and hits the ball further than he's ever hit the golf ball. There's absolutely no reason why he couldn't win a couple more majors at this age. If you're a 55 year old entrepreneur, you can still win. Business has no age. So many people think because of Instagram in this day and age like, ah, my time's passed me by. That's absolutely not the case at all. I'm just curious, here's how innovative this man is at his age. Are you still doing the intermittent fasting we were talking about? Are you still doing that?

• 37:41Phil Mickelson?

  Oh, yeah. And not only that, I fast every Monday, Tuesday for 36 hours just to let my body reset each week.

• 37:49Ed Mylett?

  So guys, you guys don't know, I had Dr. Ian Smith on who talked about intermittent fasting. Phil's tinkering and improving all the time and innovating. He knows the formula that got him to win 10 years ago isn't exactly the same thing that's going to get him to win now. Same as an entrepreneur, same as a dad. Couple more things I'm curious about. I got to ask you about Tiger. So there's this thing now where you guys are pals. And I want to really know the truth about that. Like, I think everyone assumes that there were some years there where the two of you weren't, you know, holding hands at breakfast every morning in between every single tournament, right? So you had this, you had Tiger, you had you. I love that one tournament I was watching. I forget where you were, but I think you're in the final group

• 38:31Ed Mylett?

  and you're on the tee box and they're reading off his resume of wins in the middle of it. We'll dub it in here, but you're like, all right, all right, that's enough. It was one of my favorite moments of all time in sports, but like, are you really friends now? Or is this just sort of like not real? Like, can you really be that close with your rival? I mean, like really, what's, where are you guys really at?

• 38:56Phil Mickelson?

  So there are going to be points where we have a contention and there's going to be points where we work together. And I think throughout my entire career with him, I've, I've always had the utmost respect for what he's done for me and my family because he's increased the ratings on the PGA Tour as well as the off course opportunities. When I turned pro in 1993, my first win was in 91. The entire purse was a million dollars and first place check was 180,000. And I used to wonder if we would ever have a first place check of a million dollars. Tiger comes along in the end of 96 and we're playing for million dollar first place checks not too far after. And we, we have been ever since. So I, nobody's more appreciative or benefited more from what he's done for the game, bringing it onto the golf, onto the front page of, of the newspapers at the time.

• 39:40Phil Mickelson?

  And I've benefited more than anybody, so I'm always appreciative and I always have the utmost respect for him because of that. And our relationship, although we've never been, let's say, really close, when we worked together for the Ryder Cup to try to win in 2016, we were talking a lot and coming up with game plans, course strategy, players, partners, course setup, we were talking about a lot of details on how we could play our best and be successful. And when you work together for a common goal, that brings you closer. I think that was kind of the turning point for us in that we were working together for a common goal. But we will always have challenges. You know, I love to beat him more than anybody. He loves to beat me. And obviously, in the big picture, he's dominated

• 40:23Phil Mickelson?

  me. He's the best player of all time. And early in my career, he got the better of me. But I've evened out the record head to head, and the latter part of my career, I've gotten the better of him. So it's been something I enjoy doing. But make no mistake, I'm very appreciative for what he's done for me, my family, and the game of golf. I won't ever talk bad about him because of that.

• 40:43Ed Mylett?

  So tell the truth here. I watched Barclay the other night on the Jordan deal. And I just find it hard to believe any professional athlete thinks this, but I want to ask you. And Barclay said it was the first time in my career where I was on the basketball court. I don't know if you saw this. And I believe Charles felt that way. And he said it's the first time, I'll paraphrase, I'm gonna say it wrong, but he said it's the first time in my life I was on the basketball court where I knew there was a guy on the court that was just better than me if we were both playing at our A-game. And I liked that and I didn't like it. And I'm a Tiger Woods fan, I'm a Phil Mickelson fan, but I don't even know that I know the answer to this. And I'm curious what you would say about this. Please don't be humble. I'd really like to know what you believe about this. If you

• 41:27Ed Mylett?

  were both playing your A-game, your optimum level of golf, are you confident that you could beat him? If you were both playing your A-game?

• 41:35Phil Mickelson?

  So I've always had the belief that, yes, I could beat him. The 2000 US Open was a moment where I was questioning myself if I would be able to do that, because I saw the best performance in the history of the game of golf. And it was very intimidating. And I knew that I was gonna have to do things different. He got the best out of me. He got me to work harder. He got me to focus harder. He got me to perform better. And when he started changing instructors, what happens in golf, there's a million ways to play great golf. There's a million ways to succeed. You see a lot of different golf swings. And what you have to do is you have to stand a path, continue going forward, and refine, refine, refine, get better, better, better. And it's small increments. And when he started switching instructors, he started moving laterally to another path and

• 42:18Phil Mickelson?

  trying to go up that other path. And to his credit, three times he's worked with different instructors, with different swings, with different paths, and he's been able to be successful, win, be number one in the world, number one player in the world and win majors. So I give him a lot of credit for that. But I always wondered that if he had stayed on that original path, I think he could have, could have, you know, been even more intimidating to try to be. But once he started jumping around, I continued to believe that I could beat him, even though my record never really was that successful against him in the big picture. I felt like I could still beat him.

• 42:50Ed Mylett?

  I love that answer. Couple more things. I played golf with your brother a couple times at Gazza. Tim, who's now your caddy now, isn't he?

• 42:59Phil Mickelson?

  He is, and he's one of my favorite people in the world to be around.

• 43:02Ed Mylett?

  So I, and I enjoyed my time with him. And I ask you this out of curiosity. By the way, I want to go back to something Phil just said. I just wanted to say this. So some of you business people, quit picking, pick a coach and stick with them. Quit switching who your system you're following and what you're doing. Because I do think that probably cost Tiger Woods five or eight majors. It's just constantly not staying on a path. But about your brother, I've met both of you, and I'm just curious, because a lot of parents listen to this. You're both studs, is the way I would say it. Your brother's different than you, but both of you are impressive people. Your brother's got a swagger and a confidence in about him. I call it a charisma that I've noticed in your brother. And I thought, they must come from a wonderful family.

• 43:47Ed Mylett?

  There's something special that had to happen in that house to produce, I mean, obviously, you've had a level of success that's unprecedented in your craft, but I was also very impressed with your brother and also impressed with the relationship you have with them. What happened in your house that your parents did that we all need to know about that's produced such really wonderful men? I'm just curious, if there's anything in that home that we should know about?

• 44:11Phil Mickelson?

  So, my mom and sister are tremendous women too, and my dad was, had this quiet confidence and quiet self-esteem. He was a fighter pilot, he was a instructor at Top Gun for the F8 Crusader at Miramar. He was assigned to the Blue Angels in the F4 and was a commercial pilot thereafter, but he had this confidence to himself and he never talked about it. He was just, had a high self-esteem, but he wasn't arrogant or cocky in any way, but he was just the best at what he did. And when you have that, he kind of carries that over into our whole family. So, my siblings, my sister and brother, have always been supportive and genuinely happy for my success and not jealous.

• 44:54Phil Mickelson?

  And therefore, I have a really good relationship with both of them. And my brother, Tim, is confident in who he is and as a person, he's not jealous, he's genuinely happy for my success. And he's been very successful at what he's done as a college golf coach for many years. He's a phenomenal caddy. And what's great about him as a caddy is that he has the ability to see how a golf course should be played for the top players, like Jon Rahm, who played for him for four years, and also for the fifth guy who's struggling and how he needs to perform to give his team a chance when he doesn't have his A-game. So, he's able to look at me and say, "Look, we don't have it today, let's do this and shoot our number today and see if we can come out tomorrow hot and get it turned around." And then he says, "Look, you're firing on all cylinders, man, hit the driver, let's

• 45:39Phil Mickelson?

  go make a three." So, he has the ability to adjust and adapt for all different levels of play. As a college golf coach, he carries that over into a caddy. But it's his self-esteem and confidence in himself, who he is, that is, makes him so charismatic, fun to be around and supportive as opposed to jealous.

• 45:58Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, I noticed that in him. And then the other thing, just family-wise, I wanted to ask you, I have this theory that for someone to go on and have the success you got, you guys don't know, if you're not a golf fan, you don't know this. Phil has left tournaments to come home. He missed a US Open for a graduation for family. He and Amy seem to have a remarkable relationship. I know that you guys went through a battle where she had breast cancer. How critical has been your home front? There's a thing about you that I've admired, which it seems, I'm sure it's never perfect. It seemed like, and I know it's not perfect because mine's not perfect, but it seemed like you've done a wonderful job as a husband and a father and in your life. And you have a big life. You have a lot of friends.

• 46:40Ed Mylett?

  You have a lot of commitments, corporate relationships, things you need to do, things like today. I gotta think Amy is at the center of all of that. And I want people to hear this who are married to understand this sort of support or structure that needs to exist around somebody like you that allows you to perform in multiple areas at such a high level. So if you'd address that just for a minute, I'd love to hear your perspective on that.

• 47:03Phil Mickelson?

  So Amy's one of the most intelligent, brilliant, remarkable people that I've ever been around. And for me to be able to share the last 27 years with her is remarkable because to be successful, whatever it is, especially in athletes, we get very self-centered. We get very into our own selves, our own world. We sometimes get very disengaged to what's going on around us. And she has been just a godsend into keeping the kids solid people and grounded and keeping me engaged. So it's always a challenge because I get a lot of my self-esteem from my career.

• 47:42Phil Mickelson?

  And she's done a remarkable job in raising our family, keeping everybody grounded and keeping me engaged.

• 47:50Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, you're blessed. And it's obvious. I don't think you could do what you've done without that. Okay, last two questions. Thank you, by the way. Just kill it. No humility here. Someone pulled you aside and said, "Hey, Phil."

• 48:06Ed Mylett?

  What has made you special? And no humility, there's a special something. And I know we've covered a lot of things, visualization, I'm talking about you, the spirit, you, the human, you, the man. You've risen to this level, clearly, there's, you know, people that don't know this, Phil's a big dude, too. I was struck when I first, like, he's a big man. Clearly, there's some athletic giftedness there. Okay? But what is the special? Like, hey, guys, if I don't, if I sell like I'm bragging, I'm sorry. But this is what's special about me. You would say what?

• 48:41Phil Mickelson?

  I will do whatever it takes to succeed. So when I was eight years old, I knew that I loved golf, I wanted to play golf, and I didn't have the access to a country club or to play, and I went down, my parents took me down to the municipal courts, it was Navajo Canyon, it's called Mission Trails now, and I got a job picking the range when I was eight, three nights a week, for the ability to play and practice on the golf course.

• 49:05Ed Mylett?

  Eight?

• 49:06Phil Mickelson?

  At eight. And so they had to, my parents had to sign a waiver, and I give Rick Thompson, the head pro there at the time, a lot of credit for taking a risk, and the liability of having somebody that young on staff. But I was out there picking the range three nights a week, and the days that I wasn't working, I was out there hitting balls, playing and practicing. So I was willing to do whatever it took. And then when I, at 12, when I was 12, they had new ownership, and they let go of everybody under 16. I went down to another course, Stardust, which is now Riverwalk in downtown in San Diego, and I ended up working there all the way through high school, and would pick the range there. That was a nightlit range, so oftentimes I wouldn't get done till 11 or 12 at night, but I was willing to do whatever it took to be successful and to give myself those opportunities.

• 49:48Phil Mickelson?

  So that's, that's kind of the difference, is that a lot of people have talent, but not, not everybody is willing to do whatever it takes.

• 49:56Ed Mylett?

  So good. All right, last question. I don't want to ever say something's my favorite, so I'm just gonna tell you how great this has been. And I'm, and I want to thank you in advance before we finish here.

• 50:08Ed Mylett?

  I knew it, but, but this is, this is stuff that, this is masterclass stuff, everybody, that you play for your kids, that you want to win. This is stuff that you play for your business teams, and you let them soak in this wisdom here today. So good. Okay. I'm an entrepreneur. I win a contest to meet you at Starbucks. And I get to pick your brain for a minute. I get to ask you a couple of questions. And I'd be remiss if I didn't ask this on behalf of everybody. Say, listen, I'm an entrepreneur. I want to win. I want to be somebody. I want to create something. You've been around everyone. You've been around the best athletes. You've been around some of the top business people of all time. There's something you've picked up. And they said, I just need your best advice. And I know it's difficult.

• 50:54Ed Mylett?

  Not one thing that makes somebody successful. I've got preparation. I've heard from you about visualization. I have your competitive nature. You've got things structured on the home front. You come from a family that instilled self-esteem in you. All of the hard work that you've put in, all of those elements combined, is there some advice you'd give me as an entrepreneur? That maybe we haven't covered yet today that you'd say, hey, look, if I give you one more thing, it'd probably be this. What would it be?

• 51:20Phil Mickelson?

  Well, you have to surround yourself with people that see your same vision and support you. So, uh, my, uh, golf coach at Arizona State, and now my manager for the last 27 years, Steve Loy,

• 51:32Phil Mickelson?

  saw that vision and what I wanted to accomplish and did everything he could to help support me in that goal. Uh, I have a, a wife who has been so supportive in, in throughout my career. And so not everybody's going to see what you see. Not everybody's going to believe that what you believe is possible, but you have, so you, you don't want to be, or surround yourself with those people. You want to surround yourself with the people that support you and see the same vision that, that you see and then, uh, lift each other up.

• 52:01Ed Mylett?

  So good. All right. Hey, guys, you want to follow me on Instagram, right?

• 52:07Phil Mickelson?

  Yeah.

• 52:08Ed Mylett?

  Guys, let me tell you something.

• 52:11Ed Mylett?

  The best athlete to follow on social media is this dude. If you want to go watch, you gotta go see Fireside Chats with Phil Mickelson. It's the best. So.

• 52:22Phil Mickelson?

  Thank you.

• 52:22Ed Mylett?

  Where are you at on Instagram? Is it @PhilMickelson with a blue checkmark? And just tell them what a Fireside Chat is real quick and then I'll wrap things up.

• 52:30Phil Mickelson?

  So I'm 50 and I've had a lot of experiences over the years. A lot of pros, a lot of stories to tell. And so the Fireside Chats came with just sharing some of the stories that have occurred to me that you don't hear in the media that you you might enjoy otherwise. And so I do a lot of them myself, but I also have other guests that will come on and and talk about it. And I just want to provide some content that people wouldn't see in a normal media or or actually stories I wouldn't feel comfortable sharing with other people. I'd rather just do it directly so that there's no confusion in in the translation of how it's presented.

• 53:04Ed Mylett?

  Okay, guys, you gotta follow Phil on Instagram. Phil, this has been an honor, brother, and I'm so glad that we finally connected. I am looking forward to taking some of your money here soon when we go out and play together at the club we belong to. And thank you, bro, for being here today. I really appreciate it so much.

• 53:19Phil Mickelson?

  Thanks, Ed. It's been fun being on and it's fun talking to you and I look forward to playing with you.

• 53:23Ed Mylett?

  Me too. Hey, everybody, don't forget me on Instagram. Follow me on Instagram. Every day I run the Max Out 2 Minute Drill. I make a post every day, 7:30 a.m. Pacific, 10:30 Eastern. You make a comment in the first 2 minutes, you can win Ride on My Jet, get coached by me, tickets to see me speak, my book, Max Out gear, all kinds of cool stuff. If you miss the first 2 minutes, make a comment on every post every day. And if you reply to other people's contents, I want you all engaging together. You increase your chances of winning as well. I pick winners every single Sunday when I announce the winners. We do it every week. We're consistent with it. Follow me on Instagram and engage in the first 2 minutes of Max Out 2 Minute Drill. God bless you. Share the program with everyone. Max out.