Bonus Episode – What You Guys Have To Say This Christmas

Your wild tales of rock ‘n’ roll animalism, UFOs, Christmas songs, SNL characters, Jay Z and Diddy, and so much more; we get way into your comments, your thoughts, and what makes your rock ‘n’ roll souls tick on this Christmas-week episode. Coming up, we're bringing you an episode on Hank Williams, who died on New Years Day in 1953, and Jake wants to know: Who are the songwriters and singers who can make you tear up, who cut you to the bone? Who gives you all the feels? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [email protected] mailto:[email protected], or on socials @disgracelandpod. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 68 - Gram Parsons Episode 19 - GG Allin Episode 127 and 128 - Willie Nelson Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTER Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: Instagram YouTube X (formerly Twitter) Facebook Fan Group To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  This is exactly right.

• 0:10Jake Brennan?

  Double Elvis.

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• 0:47Speaker 00

  She'd throw things, wander, and started hoarding. Mom's Alzheimer's was already so hard, but then we found out she had agitation that may happen with dementia due to Alzheimer's disease. And that was a different kind of difficult. So we asked her doctor for more help.

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• 1:37Speaker 00

  I'm glad I asked for help.

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• 1:45Jake Brennan?

  Hey, Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:12Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the Disgrace Land bonus episode, a little thing we like to call the after-party. This is the show after the show of the party, after the party of the bridge to get you from one full episode of Disgrace Land to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking, well, mainly you are talking. We get into a ton of your texts, voicemails, DMs and more, on everything under the sun, your stories of rock and roll, animalism, more on your favorite Christmas songs, what's in the skies of New Jersey, your favorite SNL characters and more, and as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, discos, let's get into it.

• 3:02Jake Brennan?

  Merry Christmas, happy holidays, happy Hanukkah, wherever you are in the world, whatever you're doing, I hope you're enjoying some peace of mind and I hope that there's some peace in your heart. I asked you guys last week for your stories of rock and roll, animalism, of stories that you've heard, stories you've been a part of that left an impression on you, stories that are so dramatic that you can't put them down, that you and your friends keep going back to. I ask because this is our newfound mission here in Disgrace Land, to preserve the true spirit of rock and roll, to try to keep this dying dodo bird of a genre alive in some way, whether it's Chuck Berry picking up hitchhikers after a gig, or Gigi Allen's brother punching out a fan on stage. We want to know, we want to retell, and we want to document these stories.

• 3:43Speaker 04

  Hey Jake, this is Joe from the 503. Hey, big fan of your show, keep up the good work. I wanted to tell you what my favorite rock legend is, and that would be the one where Phil Kaufman, Grant Parsons' manager, stole his dead body from LAX in a hearse and took it to Joshua Tree and cremated it. It's a pretty sweet story. Can't blame him for wanting to be cremated there and God bless Phil Kaufman.

• 4:18Speaker 04

  Looking forward to hearing more and hope to hear Disgrace Land just about Graham one of these days. Cheers.

• 4:24Jake Brennan?

  Joe, thanks for calling. I played your voicemail because this is the perfect story to demonstrate the rock and roll animalism that I'm talking about. And even though most of us, I think, are familiar with this story, it bears repeating because we're getting new listeners all the time. There's people who aren't as familiar with rock and roll lore as, as some of us might be. They're younger, whatever the case may be, they're interested, they're new to this space. And this story is one of the OG Disgrace Land stories. When I think about stories that made me want to start Disgrace Land, this is one of them. I first heard this story working on a loading dock in my high school years, summers, working for my old man, trying to make some extra cash, hating every minute

• 5:07Jake Brennan?

  of the work part, loving every minute of the bullshitting that went along with hanging out with the older guys on the crew who worked on the trucks. Occasionally, I too, got to go on the trucks and the stories that I heard were incredible. And this was one of them, told to me by a guy named Joe Allenby. People from the Boston music scene will know Joe. Except in Joe's telling, Keith Richards was involved somehow. I'm not exactly sure that's accurate. I don't know. Maybe people know something that I don't. Possibly behind the stolen body heist, though, eh, don't think so. Anyways, I'm fairly certain the Keith Richards part is not true. But however, the story of Graham Parsons' body being stolen

• 5:47Jake Brennan?

  is absolutely true. I spoke with the man who did it, Phil Kaufman. He did indeed steal Graham Parsons' body. I can't remember how I got Phil's number, but I did. And I called him up when I was writing my book and Phil was helpful, if not super crotchety. In this story, the Graham Parsons, Grand Theft Parsons, as, as the movie title goes, the Johnny Knoxville movie, this is a big part of my book. It's obviously a huge part of the Disgrace Land episode on Graham Parsons, which if you haven't heard it, you must. It embodies what this show is about. If you've never heard of Graham Parsons, he basically invented all country without giving it a name. Well, he did give it a name, but that's not what he called it. He called it Cosmic

• 6:31Jake Brennan?

  American Music. And he influenced the Rolling Stones in real time, compelled them to make what I think is their greatest album, possibly the greatest rock and roll album of all time, Exile on Main Street. So the story of Graham's body being stolen and brought out to Joshua Tree for a desert pirate funeral is 100% disgraceland. I thank you for the voicemail 503. And for anyone else who has not heard the Graham Parsons episode, go check that out. Even if you have heard it, go check it out, listen to it again. It's a, I guarantee it's gonna be better on second listening. Okay, Niall from the 505 called in and left the voicemail.

• 7:07Speaker 05

  Hey Jake, this is Niall from the 505 Santa Fe, New Mexico. Good job on everything always, as always. But I, I've always had a question about the gross out contest between Alice Cooper and Frank Zappa.

• 7:23Jake Brennan?

  But I'm not gonna play Niall's voicemail because it's disgusting. All I have to say is that Niall, even though your rock and roll story is too gross to play, you might've convinced me to do an Alice Cooper episode. So a bit of a tease here. We brought up Alice Cooper, someone brought up Alice Cooper last week. I think I did actually. Yeah, I did. But I've gotten, I've gotten other voicemails, sorry, other DMs and texts. This is the only voicemail. That's why I wanted to play it, but I did not want to go into the details. So guys, I guess Niall's Alice Cooper story is developing more on this as we go. All right, Gabe Setra on Instagram writes in, okay, I wanted to share my favorite rock and roll story back

• 8:04Jake Brennan?

  sometime around maybe 2007. I saw the murder junkies at a legendary Pittsburgh venue called 31st Street Pub. They were being fronted by Gigi's brother, Merle Allen. And in between songs, a 20 something kid kept yelling for Merle to punch him in the face. Man, and Merle said, quote, "Your dad is probably a lawyer and you'll sue me for everything I have, but fuck it. I don't have shit." And then Merle proceeded to punch this kid full strength square. Oh, boy. Just under the eye and his hand with his hand and a fist wrapped around the microphone. Oh, my gosh. The kid took it like a champ. His knees buckled a little, but his friends kept him on his feet and he enjoyed the rest of the show from right in front of the stage with blood dripping down his face. It was punk AF punk AF and

• 8:47Jake Brennan?

  just dumb. Gabber. Gabber. Sorry. I don't know if I'm pronouncing your Instagram handle correctly. I think it's Gabber because your name's Gabe. I never understood that aspect of punk rock. The self-imposed violence and destruction and, you know, spitting on each other and that whole, the whole Gigi Allen side of it. Oh, boy. Just, yeah. I mean, you want to talk about rock and roll animalism. Gigi Allen is on another level for sure. It's like he, he needs his own category completely. All right. 541 writes in, "Hey Jake, Jorge Valenzuela in the 541 here. Been listening since 2020, right in the middle of the COVID lockdowns. I found your podcast and have been hooked since. I backtracked and have now listened

• 9:32Jake Brennan?

  to the entire DisgraceLand series on Spotify and eagerly await each new episode and bonus episode like a fiend. Anyway, my rock star story is that I opened for Kid Rock at the Roseland Theater in Portland, Oregon in October 2007. The local band that was supposed to open for Kid Rock dropped out in the last second. So they went down the line outside the building asking for volunteers. Me, trying to impress my future wife, raised my hand and they asked without knowing that they would be asking me to sing a karaoke song to open for Kid Rock. I chose Killing in the Name by Rage Against the Machine and completely fucking crushed it. I even had a mosh pit going during the fuck you, I won't do it,

• 10:15Jake Brennan?

  you tell me part. Talk about core memory. It also sealed the deal with my wife. She got a good glimpse at what I'm all about. I could see her in the front row staring up at me with a look in her eye that said, what am I getting myself into? Needless to say, one of the best nights of my life. Keep up the great work and as always, rock-a-rola and Merry Christmas, which is confidentially also my 44th birthday. Jorge, happy birthday, buddy. I love this story. I hope your wife is still your wife. I hope you're not a- You're not, you're not laying down a little fuck you, I won't do it. You tell me at the holiday Christmas karaoke and alien eating the old missus. Great story. Exactly what we're looking for. Thank you, Jorge. Appreciate you. Jorge, just real, real, uh, real quick. Jorge wanted

• 10:58Jake Brennan?

  to shout out his twin brothers, Nick and Derek. So Nick and Derek, if you're listening, your brother's thinking of you. Merry Christmas. Carrie Kennedy writes in [email protected]. She emailed this. Hey Jake, really entertained by the podcast and appreciate your storytelling. Came to disgraceland from the dead and gone podcast. My mom was a massive Willie Nelson fan. I've literally been going to Willie concerts since before I was born in utero. Through the day I graduated from college. I am convinced that part of what kept her fascinated was the rock and roll stories around Willie Nelson. Her favorite, and now mine, because I haven't heard it anywhere else, including disgraceland, is that Willie came home drunk

• 11:40Jake Brennan?

  and having been with a girlfriend and his wife sewed him into the sheets of the bed while he was passed out, packed up and his wife left. Because of how much it fascinated my mom, I think it still has a hold on me, this story. And I kinda don't care if it's true. It's a great story. Either way, rock or roll, Carrie in Annapolis, Maryland. Carrie, what a fantastic story. This is incredible. And yes, you've never heard this story in disgraceland. I, we have, I think, yeah, two Willie Nelson episodes. And this story did not come across our desk. It's, it's amazing. And yeah, even if it's not true, it's still amazing. I love it. Thanks, Carrie. Travis Carter writes in. This is via email as well. Hey Jake, first off, thoroughly, thoroughly enjoy the podcast. I love history.

• 12:24Jake Brennan?

  I love rock and roll and your show is perfect marriage of these two things, along with great storytelling. I have quite a few rock and roll stories from my younger days, back in the mid to late eighties. And one of my favorites was the time that I saw Motorhead open for Slayer at the Ocean Center in Daytona Beach, Florida. After the show, we customarily would go out to the tour buses to try to meet the bands. And I was around 16 at the time and Lemmy from Motorhead happened to be standing outside the bus signing autographs. And when we got our turn to meet him, we Asked for a photo, to which he exclaimed, "Of course mates," and proceeded to grab both me and my friend in headlocks for the photo. It was one of the coolest interactions I've ever had with any rock star that I've met to this day. I don't know what happened to this photo because it wasn't my camera, but I wish I had a copy of it. Travis, this is

• 13:09Jake Brennan?

  amazing. Appreciate this. And I'm reading this in part, not just because it's a great story, but also I saw the same tour, but up in Boston. I was real young. My old man took me and it was mind blowing. I remember it was truly scary, all of it. And Overkill was the opening band. I don't know if it was on the leg of the tour that you saw, but Motorhead came out. They were opening for Slayer and it was truly frightening. They were truly frightening. I was in the sixth grade, I believe. And that was scary enough, but then, and I was a Motorhead fan, but I'd never seen anything like this. I'd been to concerts before, been to huge stadium shows, never anything like this. I think

• 13:50Jake Brennan?

  I'd see Jimmy Page in The Firm by this point. I might've seen AC/DC by this point. This was another level. It was dangerous. It was scary. The crowd was dangerous. The crowd was scary. The volume, the sound of this concert was the loudest loudest thing I'd ever heard to that point in my life. And then Slayer came on and everything was that much extra. I love Motorhead. I love Slayer, but it was horrifying in the best possible rock and roll way. What a frickin' show. Travis, thanks for reminding me of it. I appreciate you. All right, guys. Next week, we've got an episode on Hank Williams. Why? Well, aside from the fact that Hank is the greatest country songwriter of all time,

• 14:33Jake Brennan?

  also one of the greatest songwriters, period. Hank died right around New Year's Day, or on New Year's Day, excuse me, on New Year's Day. And next week, you know, we usher in the new year. So you're going to get some Hank Williams in your feed. And when you're listening to Hank and nursing your champagne hangover, be thinking about those sad songs, those songwriters, whose words and music make you tear up, who cut you to the bone, who get you all emotional. Who are the singers that bring you to tears? Like Hank Williams does to me. That's what I want to know. Which singers, which songwriters make you all emotional, give you all the feels, tear you up emotionally? Let me know. 617-906-6638. You can leave me a voicemail, send me a text, you can hit me up

• 15:18Jake Brennan?

  to [email protected] or at disgracelandpod on Facebook, on X, on Instagram. All right. Of course, as always, keep the stories of rock and roll animalism coming. We've got a bunch more in here. I'll probably read more of them next week, but I want more from you guys. And tell me your story via text, voicemail. We'll get into it here in the after party and eventually out in the real world as well, in some fun and exciting ways that I'm still putting together. All right. I'll be back in a flash with more of your stories and some responses on your favorite Christmas tunes and your favorite SNL characters, plus a teensy tiny little Diddy Jay-Z update.

• 16:06Speaker 06

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• 18:15Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back, and I was hoping that I wouldn't have to talk about the grossness that is the allegations against Sean "Diddy" Combs and Jay-Z this week, Christmas week. And I might regret saying this, but as of the recording of this episode, there is no news worthy enough of getting into here in this space. Of course, there is some rumblings out there. They did make some media, Jay-Z's lawyers and Tony Busby are going back and forth in the press. Jay's lawyers are trying to get the case thrown out. There's yet another woman accusing Sean Combs of abuse, but like I said, no news worthy of getting into here. We'll surely have more, though, when we return for the new year.

• 18:55Jake Brennan?

  Got a special, fully-scripted episode on Diddy coming the second week of January that details the indictments against him and all of the alleged behavior that compelled those indictments relative to Sean "Diddy" Combs' background and history. So this is a straight-up disgraceland episode. We did a Diddy episode last year, okay? We're gonna put that back in the feed because it's a part one. Natural part one. We didn't intend for it to be a part one. We thought at the time we were just doing an episode on Sean Combs and then all holy hell broke loose with the Cassie Ventura story. We had already had that episode written and recorded and ready to go when the Cassie

• 19:34Jake Brennan?

  Ventura story broke. We released that episode about two weeks after Combs settled with Cassie. And it's mainly a story about his, his upcoming, his upbringing, the stampede, the nightclub shooting, J Lo, that era of Sean Combs. But naturally, it all serves as a perfect backdrop, a perfect origin story, a perfect part one for the story, the recent story of Sean Combs on Cassie Ventura and the federal indictment that he is facing right now. That is going to be the new episode on Sean Diddy Combs that is coming your way in a couple of weeks and I can't wait for you

• 20:17Jake Brennan?

  guys to hear it. 617-906-6638. That's how you get in touch with me. One of the ways you can leave me a voicemail there. You can send me a text. You can also hit me up on the socials at disgracelandpod. You guys know this and you can email me [email protected]. All right, we just released an episode on Chris Farley and normally I would have spent a considerable amount of time in the first part of this episode, the bonus episode, talking about our previous full episode as I usually do, but I wanted to give you guys more time this week. It's the end of the year. It's Christmas. I wanted this to be a little bit more communal. You know, we didn't do a big Christmas party or anything like that. We had some folks jump on a Zoom. We had an impromptu disco Christmas

• 21:00Jake Brennan?

  party with our book club members. But yeah, no big bash. So I wanted to include more of you guys in this bonus episode. So Chris Farley unfortunately got a little bit of the ax. However, 610 chimes in on fave SNL characters. Question of the week, favorite SNL player, gotta be Phil Hartman, hands down. So hard to play straight and hilarity and maintain a straight face. So great. And if there's any doubt, see unfrozen caveman lawyer and cooking with the anal retentive chef. Gone too soon. Happy everything, merry everything, rock or roll up from Jonathan in the 610. I agree on Phil Hartman and that era to me, that sort of era of Phil Hartman and Dennis Miller.

• 21:44Jake Brennan?

  And Dana Carvey, Mike Myers transitioning into the Adam Sandler, Chris Farley, David Spade era, just peak, peak, peak SNL in my mind. 917 texts in, "Hey Jake, I live in New York, but I work in Little Falls, New Jersey, and my coworkers have been talking about these drones for weeks. I finally saw some driving home this week. Not sure I can help figure this out, but I can tell you what I saw. They're not small backyard drones. They flew right above the tree line, too low to be a plane. And maybe I saw the drones that hunt other drones. I've been scouring the internet trying to find out myself. What I saw had what looked like two white lights, a blue light and a blinking red light that reminded me of a recording light or maybe the light on a remote.

• 22:29Jake Brennan?

  Finally seeing them gives me more questions, but hope this is at least interesting to you." "Of course it's interesting, 917, it's fascinating. I can't stop thinking of this. It's insanity." And I'm not gonna lie, down here in our neck of the woods, we saw something very anomalous the other night. And you know, the absurdity of UAPs and UFOs, I believe, is intentional. I have a whole, whole, deep, deep take on this that I'm not gonna bore you with. But my wife, my kids and I, my wife is extremely skeptical of this type of stuff. We saw something last week. It, it was not a plane and it was not a backyard drone. And the flight pattern was not a flight pattern.

• 23:14Jake Brennan?

  It flew in basically a square over our house, our neighborhood, actually. It was, it was wider than just our house. And unfortunately, it was cloudy that night and we couldn't really get, get eyes on it. And it freaked me out, freaked me out pretty hardcore, freaked both of us out. But it was low, it was too low for a plane. It sounded, at first I thought it sounded like a plane. That was my take. I was like, that's a plane, but it wasn't a propeller plane. And then the next night I saw a low propeller plane and I heard it. And it was nothing like what we saw the night before. Now, I'm not telling you that I saw one of these drones. I'm just telling you that I saw some weird shit.

• 23:57Jake Brennan?

  And the lighting pattern that you've described here, 917, was the exact lighting pattern that we saw. What we saw looked, it looked exactly like what we're seeing on the news on TikTok. But again, I'm not saying it was a drone. I'm not saying it was a UFO. I'm not saying it was a UAP. All I'm saying is that it was anomalous and I cannot explain what it was. And neither can my wife. It was weird. There's weird shit happening up there. 302 writes in, "I'm not hearing anything till I hear from Tom DeLonge." Tom has spoken on this and it's pretty fascinating. This is a post from his Instagram from last week, from December 14th. So a little over a week ago. It says, "The drones that are being discussed can hover for six hours

• 24:42Jake Brennan?

  and then disappear once they're spotted. This is why it's been hard to get facts from any US agency. Some of them can even move into the ocean and then back up into the air, which is called transmedium travel, a very hard thing to do." If you look at this document above, and there's a, it's Instagram. So there's an image of this document. It's not redacted. In fact, it has, it has graphics indicating where to look. If you look at this document above, it seems like it's a repeat of exactly what happened in the 60s, it being what we're seeing now in New Jersey. There's a good chance that these things could potentially be mimicking other aircraft. And this even happened more recently in situations at Skinwalker Ranch years ago. And it was being studied by the US government under BAAS and AATIP. And again, also decades ago in the 60s.

• 25:28Jake Brennan?

  It's all something to consider, and although we don't have all the facts yet, we do know that UFOs play with mimicry, and that has been known for quite some time. Why? To get us to notice them without a major freakout. Who knows? But, well, we are noticing them nonetheless. And he's right. I didn't mean that, but Tom was right. He's right here. We are noticing them. We are noticing something. I don't know if it's them, but we're noticing something. And something that I read the other day about this was very, very interesting, and you can verify this on the internet if you feel like it. The truth is out there, as they say. So these drones in New Jersey,

• 26:10Jake Brennan?

  I'm not going to go deep on this, I promise, but I'm just going to indulge my inner obsession here for a second. These drones in New Jersey, turns out, not last year, but the year before, was the first time they appeared in a way that they're, that they're appearing now, very similar, drone-like unidentified flying objects in the air. Three years ago, not last year, the year before, right? Over Langley, CIA, okay? And they didn't know what they were. Then again, last year, same thing, over Langley, CIA. And the, I'm blowing the point here, the main point, it was this exact same time of year that they appeared in both instances. So this year, Langley was ready for them, but they didn't appear over Langley, they appeared in New Jersey,

• 26:55Jake Brennan?

  and with more intensity, and more of them, more volume, apparently. So, like I said, you can look that up, and you can find that information there. And I would tell you to look into this guy named Ryan Graves, who's a former naval pilot, and he has some incredible things to say about the subject. Okay, let's get off the UFO here for a second, go to the 412. Who says, "Just listened to the bonus episode last week, wondering how the guy backpacking in Cambodia can mention Run DMC and not Dead Kennedys Holiday in Cambodia. Keep up the good work, love your stuff." Well, he was talking about a Christmas song, man. And maybe he's not a Dead Kennedys fan or the Dead Kennedys. Is that hiking music? I don't know, but I take your point Cambodia being the the main thing here.

• 27:40Jake Brennan?

  And we're going to close out this subject on Christmas songs right here. We're going to put it to bed. Hey Jake, happy holidays is from the 503. I just learned a new to me Christmas song yesterday and it's definitely jumped up as a favorite since it's new to me. I can definitely say it's my current favorite Christmas song. So I got real excited when you extended the request so that I could text in and say spinal taps, Christmas with the devil whales. Before I heard the song, I would have said the band's Christmas must be tonight. So a couple of things here. I didn't know anything about either of these songs. So thank you. This is amazing. I appreciate this. I'm adding them to my Christmas mix, which I know it's late, but if you want to check it out, go to my Instagram, you'll

• 28:21Jake Brennan?

  see, you'll see, you'll find a link somewhere for my Christmas mix. Hey Jake, it's Jack. This is Jack from the 707 saying the best Christmas music, as with most music, comes from an emotional connection of heartbreak and pain. And then the catharsis that follows. It's why River by Joni Mitchell or Last Christmas by Wham can still be a gut punch after all these years. And you keep going back to it, but the man with the bag makes you want to gouge your ear balls. The best example of this is Christmas card from a hooker in Minneapolis by Tom Waits. Cheers, man. Happy holidays. The Tom Waits one is great. The Wham one is great. And I don't know the Joni Mitchell one, but I'm going to check it out. And 707, this is perfect because next week we're talking about sad

• 29:06Jake Brennan?

  songs and 707, I want to hear, I want to hear from you on, on the artist that guts you emotionally. Okay. I want to hear from all you guys, but 707, I specifically want to hear from you on this. Is it Tom Waits? Is it Hank Williams? Who is it? Speaking of Last Christmas by Wham, this is kind of messed up and. I have like this, I don't know if you guys who are relatively, you know, Gen X, my age, you know, the 90s were a weird, a weird year for us for media because on the one hand, everything we had loved before Nirvana, the whole culture of alternative culture became

• 29:47Jake Brennan?

  popular and it became huge and it became mainstream. And there was a reaction to that where you instantly just don't want to have anything to do with it anymore because it's no longer your secret. Somebody else has co-opted it. And I find that I have huge black holes of culture in the 90s because I must have just checked out completely. Now, I know Last Christmas by Wham is an 80s song. However, it was getting played in the 90s and it was a hit in the 80s. And I realized this week that the first version I heard of that song was the Jimmy Eat World version, which is kind of a different arrangement. They

• 30:27Jake Brennan?

  leave out like an entire verse, I think, which is just crazy that I completely missed that George Michael thing. I just completely missed it, the Wham song, when it was happening. Totally missed it until like the, until like 2006 ish in that era, I guess. Wild. Anyways, love that song. It's, uh, my son is learning, my oldest son is learning bass and, uh, we were rocking on it last night as a family. He was playing bass, I was playing guitar. My youngest was singing and my wife even had the tambourine out. We're getting in the Christmas spirit, guys.

• 31:02Jake Brennan?

  Come on. 775, text it. My dog. You hear that? The poor, poor Amazon workers. They come to the door, they're working their asses off, they're overtired and they get greeted with attitude by Dusty.

• 31:20Jake Brennan?

  Dusty, dusty, dusty. I can hear a growl, and I hope you can. Okay. The 775 texts in, "I knew the story of Johnny Ace, but never connected the dots till hearing the Disgrace Land episode 775. Appreciate you. Glad you dug that episode." If you guys haven't heard the Elvis Presley Johnny Ace Disgrace Land episode from a couple of weeks ago, it's my new favorite Christmas episode. I don't know what you're waiting for. Go check that out. And while we're waiting for you to listen to it, we're gonna keep the party going throughout the holiday season. You can call me, you can text me, 617-906-6638. Leave me a voicemail. You can hit me up at Disgrace Land Pod on Instagram, Facebook, or X, or you can email me, [email protected].

• 32:03Jake Brennan?

  Nicholas Ryan Emanuel on Facebook writes, "Hey, I absolutely love your podcast. If you get time, you should do one on Depeche Mode and include devotional tour, the most debauched tour in rock history. You're the best." Nicholas, get in touch. Where are you getting your Depeche Mode information from? Okay? What's the book? There's a bunch of books, I'm sure, but what is the Depeche Mode book I should read to really kind of, you know, get the vibes? Let me know, particularly on the debauchery. Michael Labella on Facebook, "Great shows. Keep it the good work. Love listening to the stories and now the extra stuff." Michael Labella on Facebook, "You're in for it, man, because we're gonna be bringing some extra stuff to Facebook in 2025." Teresa Burden writes in, "Elvis?" Six question marks. "I thought Elvis was a topic you were

• 32:48Jake Brennan?

  not going to touch until the end. Please tell me this isn't a death knell for Disgrace Land." Teresa, no, it is not. Yes, I did say that, but this is not an Elvis episode completely. It's an Elvis and Johnny Ace episode. It is more of a Johnny Ace episode, if we're being honest. It covers one particular moment in Elvis's life, actually two. But yeah, I did say that when you hear the Elvis Presley episode in your Disgrace Land feed, it will mean that I have left the building, that that is the last episode of Disgrace Land. However, that's not the case here. Like I said, it's an Elvis and Johnny Ace episode. So what I said still holds true. Still holds true. I know, I know, I'm flubbing it here.

• 33:29Jake Brennan?

  But I really wanted to get Elvis into this story because it really framed it up nicely for me and it made it a lot more interesting. But Teresa, have no fear. DisgraceLand is going nowhere. Over on Instagram, @LeoXFury writes in, "Just finished your last after-party, and my all-time favorite rock and roll story is the one where Rick James saves Jim Morrison's life. What a wild story that is, thinking that if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have my beloved Doris making so much awesome music." You know, you're probably right. @unlearned underscore hand Baz Heel writes on Instagram, "One of my favorite Christmas movies." Just unsolicited Christmas movie talk. I love this. I love it. We didn't talk at all about Christmas movies this

• 34:12Jake Brennan?

  year, and we should have. I know Christmas just ended, but I don't care. I still have a bunch I need to watch. And I love what Baz Heel here is getting at. One of my favorite Christmas movies, Trading Places. Also better than ever, but best concert film, Blues Brothers. Trading Places, top three Christmas movie for me. Maybe top two. Yeah, I'm trying to think of one that I like better. I want to say Goodfellas, but I don't want all the heat I'm going to take for that. Goodfellas is a Christmas movie. I don't care. It's as much of a Christmas movie as Die Hard is. Die Hard's definitely a Christmas movie. I never got that argument. Didn't make any sense. All right, if you guys are following me on Instagram, you saw last week I posted this incredible

• 34:55Jake Brennan?

  clip that I either forgot about, or it was not part of the original film, Easy Rider. I had no recollection of this. It's a scene where Jack Nicholson is sitting around the fire with Dennis Hopper, and they're talking about aliens. And if you, if you just suspend your disbelief, and you, you imagine this happening like in the last 10 days, it is fascinating to hear. Fascinating. In my Jersey drone hysteria last week, I really fell back in touch with them.

• 35:23Jake Brennan?

  John Coltrane's A Love Supreme album. There's something about that record, the way it starts in particular. To me, it completely just connects the insanity of the 2024 moment that we are, we are ending right now. The UAPs, the drones, the madness of the last year and the Christmas spirit. A Love Supreme is John Coltrane's most spiritual album, at least that I know of. And I don't know, listening to it last week, it just kind of tied the whole year together and the moment for me. All right, I'll be back in a flash with your reviews and your emails.

• 36:17Jake Brennan?

  All right, guys, we are back. You know, the drill, reviews help with discovery. We appreciate it. Get on Apple Podcasts, get on Spotify, leave a review for the show. If I read it here on the after party, you guys get in touch with me and we hook you up with some free merch. Not all of you, a couple of you, the ones who read the reviews from. We pick a couple every week. This one comes from the big gabbler. I listen while I work and I often find myself audibly gasping. The latest Hag episode gave me legit chills. And this person, this reviewer, this listener is obviously talking about the Merle Haggard episode of Disgrace Land. That's in your feed right now, top of your feed. You can check that out.

• 36:56Jake Brennan?

  Merle's early life of crime, his conversion to the not so fighting side of life via a Johnny Cash show at San Quentin. Check that out. That was an Apple Podcast review. This one comes from Spotify. Delikin says, another excellent after party. Thanks, man. Really dig and appreciate all the research you put into your podcasts. Feels like a lot of them are just someone reading Wikipedia, some Yahoo with a podcast. Keep up the good work and know we love you out here. Thank you so much, Delikin. Appreciate you, love you back. Hope you're having a good holiday. Hope you had a good Christmas. Hope you're set for a good new year. Hope we're all set for a good new year. Hope we can all grab some peace of mind and have some peace in our hearts.

• 37:35Jake Brennan?

  Get ready to take on 2025, kick its ass as thoroughly as we kicked 2024's. This episode is nearing its end, unfortunately, but the after-party does not have to end. Okay, it continues for our all-access members. You can sign up disgracelandpod.com/membership, get the bonus section of the after-party bonus episode, that's coming up right here, the exclusive section, I should say. You also get an exclusive episode per month and you get in on the chat at Patreon. Plus, ad-free listening with your Patreon or Apple subscriptions. All right, go to disgracelandpod.com/membership. I got a split.

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• 39:59Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. Christmas. Man, I hope you had a good one. I really do. And I hope you have a great New Year's. I want to thank you guys for an incredible year 2024. I want to tell you something. I'm very much looking forward to 2025 and all that we are going to do together here in Disgrace Land. From the preservation of the real rock and roll spirit to the continuation of these batshit crazy stories about rock stars in the dark side of entertainment. We have so much on tap for you in 2025. New Sean Combs, as I mentioned, Beastie Boys, another Martin Scorsese episode, which you are not going to want to miss. Louis Armstrong, Blink 182, Thin

• 40:44Jake Brennan?

  Lizzy, George Michael, Billy Idol. I kind of want to sneak a Slayer episode in here in the early part of the year somehow. I don't know how we're going to do it. Go-Go's. We're going to do another Prince episode for you guys. Finally going to do an episode on Big L. We have a lot going on in 2025. I cannot wait to get into these stories with all of you. And I thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your support, all the texts, all the voicemails, all the DMs, all the emails, all the reviews, the back and forth we have here in the after-party, everything we have going on on the socials. Looking forward to bringing you guys new video content in 2025 as well. Thanks for hanging in there with me. Appreciate you. All right. Happy holidays. Merry

• 41:28Jake Brennan?

  Christmas. Whatever you get up to, I hope you're safe and I hope you got peace of mind and peace in your heart. All right, listen, we mentioned a lot of previously covered Disgrace Land subjects in this episode. You guys mentioned it. You guys brought them up. I brought some of them up, but mainly you guys. So I'm going to give you a list of just a few here because there's a ton of them, but just a few here for you to check out back in the archive. All right. We talked about Graham Parsons, talked a lot about Graham, especially in the bonus section here. Graham Parsons is episode number 68, released on January 12th, 2021. That's from season seven, Graham Parsons, Rolling Stones in Exile. Obviously, we talked about that because of Graham Parsons. That is from season three,

• 42:12Jake Brennan?

  episode 36, released on July 23rd, 2019. Gigi Allen, going all the way back to season two, episode 19, released on September 11th, 2018. Willie Nelson, we talked about, got two episodes on the Wilster, season 11, released back in April 25th, 2023. That's part one, part two on May 2nd, 2023, Willie Nelson from season 11 of DisgraceLand and Chuck Berry. That's going to be back in season six. Chuck is episode number 67, released date November 24th, 2020. Get in the archive, guys. We're adding to the archive every week.

• 42:53Jake Brennan?

  Thinking about maybe an Alice Cooper episode, too. I mentioned Slayer. Alice Cooper, feels like you guys want an Alice Cooper episode. I mean, Alice would talk to me, too. I don't think that's, that would be that hard to hook up. And I, you know, as, as we get into the, the bonus section of this after party, I got thinking that there's, there's an Elvis Costello episode here, somewhere. I think I can do something around the whole SNL thing and BB Buell, something, something interesting, perhaps. We shall see. All right. Let's recap, shall we? Number one, I want your story. This is the new thing. I want your story. Call me, text me, hit me up out of the socials. Your favorite story of rock and roll animalism, as wild a story about a rock star as you are aware of, or that

• 43:38Jake Brennan?

  you maybe were part of. You want to tell me about it? Could be something that I've already told in a podcast, but we can go deeper into here. All right. Let me know. Number two, right now in your feed, our episode on Hank Williams. Number three, coming tomorrow, a special New Year's rewind episode, two of them actually, from our archive on Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys, who passed away right around this time back in 1980. 183, early 80s. Number four, merch winners, get in touch. You know who you are. Number five, remember, no one cares about preserving the true spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right. In honor of this week's subject, Hank Williams. This is me reading to you the billboard chart from the day he died on New Year's 1953.

• 44:24Jake Brennan?

  Number one, don't let the stars get in your eyes. Perry Como, last week, two weeks on chart, seven. Number two, Glow Worm, Mills Brothers, last week, four weeks on chart, 16. Number three, why don't you believe me? James, last week, three weeks on chart, 13. Number four, it's in the book, parts one and two. Jay Stanley, last week, three weeks on chart, 15. Number five, till I waltz again with you. Tea and Brewer, last week, eight weeks on chart, five. Number six.

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