Bonus Episode – The Cocaine Enema Was Real and More Rock ‘N’ Roll Truths and Mythbusting, Plus Ken and Barbie Did WHAT On Christmas?

This week in the After Party, Jake gets into the great rock 'n' roll myths: we're talking cocaine enemas, ham sandwiches, mud sharks, and stomach pumps. And speaking of rock 'n' roll, we want to hear your stories of rock animalism - what are the important rock tales that we should preserve? Next week, we're bringing you an episode on one of the greatest funnymen of all time - Chris Farley. As Saturday Night Live gets ready to celebrate 50 years, we want to know: Who is your favorite SNL performer? Which era is your favorite? Who made you and your friends laugh the hardest? Tell Jake at 617-906-6638, [email protected] mailto:[email protected], or on socials @disgracelandpod. To hear an extended version of the After Party and hear a chilling Christmas true crime tale and a heartwarming story of generosity, become a Disgraceland All Access member at disgracelandpod.com/membership. https://disgracelandpod.com/membership. For more great Disgraceland episodes, dive into our extensive archive, including such episodes as: Episode 115 & 116 - Mama Cass Elliot Episode 39 - Led Zeppelin Episode 87 & 88 - Fleetwood Mac Episode 153 - Michael Hutchence of INXS Episode 113 - Robert Johnson Visit www.disgracelandpod.com/merch https://www.disgracelandpod.com/merch to see the latest Disgraceland merch! Sign up for our newsletter and get the inside dirt on events, merch and other awesomeness - GET THE NEWSLETTER https://mailchi.mp/doubleelvis/disgraceland-email-newsletter Follow Jake and DISGRACELAND: Instagram https://www.instagram.com/disgracelandpod/ YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@disgracelandpod X https://twitter.com/disgracelandpod (formerly Twitter) Facebook Fan Group https://www.facebook.com/groups/491024204626127/ To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:45Jake Brennan?

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• 2:17Jake Brennan?

  Hey Discos. Need a little more DisgraceLand in your life? Just a touch to get you through? Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that comes after the podcast. Welcome to DisgraceLand: The Afterparty.

• 2:44Jake Brennan?

  Welcome to the DisgraceLand bonus episode. A little thing we like to call the afterparty. This is the show after the show, the party after the party, the bridge to get you from one full episode of DisgraceLand to the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On this bonus episode, we are talking about rock and roll myths, some incredibly salacious ones, and calling BS. And hell yeah, we get into this week's subjects of our full episode, Elvis Presley and Johnny Ace. Get into a little Jay-Z update, talk Taylor and Beyonce in the bonus section, discuss your favorite Christmas songs and rock and roll myths as we, of course, dive into your voicemails, texts, and more. And as always, a whole lot of Rosie. All right, Discos, let's get into it.

• 3:34Jake Brennan?

  Mama Cass from The Mamas and the Papas dying from choking on a ham sandwich. Michael Hutchins from In Excess dying from auto asphyxiation. Paul McCartney killed in a car crash. Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil. Jim Morrison is the Zodiac Killer. Rod Stewart having to have his stomach pumped. Stevie Nicks and the cocaine enema. Alice Cooper biting the head off a chicken on stage. Led Zeppelin and the mud shark thing. I'll get into the details on that in a minute. Johnny Ace dying by his own hand playing Russian roulette on Christmas. Elvis is still alive. I saw him yesterday down at the Piggly Wiggly buying scratch tickets and a donut. Okay. We've covered in one way or another, most of these myths in Disgrace Land. I added a couple of new ones to keep it fresh.

• 4:19Jake Brennan?

  And I'm bringing them up this week because obviously we get into the incredible myth of R and B singer Johnny Ace, who it is widely believed died from playing Russian roulette on Christmas Day in 1954, as I just mentioned. I love this story for many reasons, mainly because though that I went into the research thinking that this myth was true. Now, not to spoil the episode for those who haven't heard it yet, but well, that ain't what happened. What actually happened though, is way more interesting. And just like the truth that busts all of these myths that I've mentioned, the myths that get us into the door, the kernel of truth within the myth attracts us to these stories. Did Mama Cass die from eating a ham sandwich?

• 5:03Jake Brennan?

  No, but does she look like she could have? Well, yeah, she kind of does. And the reality of that sucks. It's wrapped up in all kinds of judgment and fat shaming and more. But the truth is that Cass Elliot was a profoundly unhealthy woman who took way too many drugs and drank way too much alcohol and it all caught up to her. But again, she looks like a ham sandwich could have done her in. And we ask ourselves why that is. We then dive into her backstory and voila, we gain entry into an incredible story, a story we didn't know existed, a story that goes way beyond the trite 60s drug and alcohol indulgence and into international drug trafficking, into not only a myth busting story, but a

• 5:44Jake Brennan?

  history busting story of what actually happened the night Mama Cass's best friend Sharon Tate was murdered by the Manson family. And for me, all of that because the myth got me into the door. Now, Michael Hutchins didn't die from sexual auto asphyxiation, but look at that Adonis of a man. Yeah, sure, I get it. He could no longer be satisfied. He'd had every beautiful woman on the planet. Auto asphyxiation makes sense, but uh-uh, suicide.

• 6:11Jake Brennan?

  Why? Well, again, the why is super interesting. And now we've gotten ourselves into another incredible story. Paul McCartney dead in a car crash. Nope, didn't happen. But the story of how that ridiculous myth took root and captivated most of Western culture. That's interesting, man. Robert Johnson selling his soul to the devil? I don't think so. I think Robert Johnson was the devil. Wait, let's see, see, see, now I got your attention. So let's learn more about this Robert Johnson guy. And there's a DisgraceLand episode for that, for all these stories, actually. Well, most. Jim Morrison is the Zodiac Killer? Alright, I started that one. Rod Stewart and the stomach pump. Okay, this one, there's no episode for. And we're going to get into this one in more detail in the next

• 6:52Jake Brennan?

  block when we get into your voicemails and texts. Stevie Nicks and the cocaine enema. This one, I believe, as outrageous as it is, I believe it. I don't care if it makes me sound like a loony. Go read Stevie's denial of this story. Thin. T H I N for Nicks. Had her roadies blow Pablo's powder up her backside because her nasal cavity was so damaged, she could no longer snort the drug that she was highly addicted to. I mean, honestly, this isn't even that debaucherous. When you measure it on a scale of one to Caligula, it barely even approaches ditty. Stevie Nicks and the cocaine enema. I'm believing this one. Also, great band name. You can have that one. Stevie Nicks and the cocaine enema. Alice Cooper biting the head off of a chicken on stage. Not true,

• 7:37Jake Brennan?

  and not original. This is too close to the story of Ozzy Osbourne biting the head off the dove, which is true. Can't Alice Cooper get his own goddamn myth? Did the Alice thing, now that I think about it, did the Alice thing come, come about first? I think it did. Should I do an episode on Alice Cooper? This is one of the myths where the story behind it isn't that compelling to me. I don't know, maybe it is. I guess I'm interested in how Alice Cooper managed his image, maybe, who he was on stage versus who he was offstage. I think there's an early Zappa connection there, Todd Rundgren, then golfing with George Burns and finding Jesus. Not very rock and roll, but interesting, I guess. And I'm sure there's some stuff there that's gonna make me wanna dive further here. Let me know what you guys

• 8:19Jake Brennan?

  think on Alice Cooper and whether or not I should do an episode on him. Now Led Zeppelin and the mud shark. This story is so wild that I only alluded to it in the Zeppelin episode. I guess I more than alluded to it, but I didn't indulge myself in the storytelling around this incident as I've done with some of these other myths, because this one is so messed up. And fuck it, we're gonna talk about the Rod Stewart thing later. So I guess I can say what this one is for the uninitiated. The story of Led Zeppelin and the mud shark, you know, Led Zeppelin supposedly used a mud shark to, I don't even know how to say this, to have sex with a woman, to penetrate a woman, a groupie. I'm realizing that the reason I didn't go full on with the story of the episode is because I actually believe

• 9:01Jake Brennan?

  that it happened. And the fact that I think it's real makes it actually offensive to me anyways. The story has been amended by history to claim that it wasn't a shark, that it wasn't a mud shark, but it was a much smaller fish. I think, I think the last thing I read was it was a snapper or something like that, which again, only makes this more believable to me. This one's fucked. This story's disgusting. Another music myth. Jay-Z is a good guy. How's that for a transition? Obviously, though, let me back up. Obviously, though, we're talking about the music myths, because that was the question of the week. Which music myths do you guys love? And I heard a little bit from you guys on a lot of these topics, and we're gonna get into them more when your voicemails and your texts

• 9:44Jake Brennan?

  later on. But I wanted to just touch on how many of these we've actually covered in Disgraceland and some that we haven't. And this isn't really my foray. I'm not really into the myth side of things. I'm more into the true crime side of things. But I wanna know from you guys what I'm missing here. And if anything, get in touch and we could talk about it like we are the Alice Cooper thing as being a potential episode. But back to Jay-Z, okay? The music myth of Jay-Z being a good guy. I was 50/50 last week on whether or not I thought that Jay-Z was guilty of the rape allegations being levied against him. Those odds have slipped slightly based on last week's events. I'm now probably 45/55, tilting toward thinking that Jay is actually guilty of what is being alleged.

• 10:33Jake Brennan?

  The crimes he is alleged to have committed. I'm not going to dive fully into into why, because not a lot of news is broken in the past week on the Jay-Z side of this story. If you're a law and order nerd, I'm sure you you feel like plenty has happened, but I don't think so. I just don't want to like be rehashing lawyers going back and forth in the media. One thing worth noting, though, we did see the alleged victim speak to NBC. There are inconsistencies in her story, and we've seen Jay-Z and his lawyer double and triple down on the aggressiveness of their denial. They formally moved to have the case dismissed. Okay, we've seen Tony Busby, the larger than life Texas attorney who's bringing the case against Jay-Z, dig in. Okay, Busby's not giving an inch.

• 11:15Jake Brennan?

  So unless we're following every legal breadcrumb here, there's not much to talk about. Jay's tactics have been able to hold the line with public opinion so far. Okay, the NFL is still backing him. There seems to be a wall of support online from fans and friendlies in the press in the face of these allegations. The bleeding has been stifled for the moment, at least, as it pertains to public relations. So if things are pretty much status quo, why do I now think Jay-Z is more likely to be guilty of these alleged crimes than he is likely to be innocent?

• 11:59Jake Brennan?

  Why has my opinion on this changed over the last week?

• 12:04Jake Brennan?

  Because here's why. I think it's less likely that Tony Busby is an ignorant fool than it is that Jay-Z was the rapey creep that they're alleging he was 24 years ago. That's just my gut. Okay, for Tony Busby to pursue this case in the first place and to then double down after the fierceness of Jay-Z and his legal team's response, Tony Busby would have to be operating from a point of stupendous hubris and idiocy. And I just don't think the guy is that dumb. He's already worth $50 million, so he doesn't need money. He has government contracts with the state of Texas. Okay, so he's got work, is my point.

• 12:50Jake Brennan?

  He also has a reputation to uphold. You shoot at the king and you miss. Eh, you shoot at the king and you miss with an unloaded gun. It's just too dumb. I could be wrong, but I don't think that's who Busby is. And I think his claim that he has evidence is more believable than Jay's claim that he's totally innocent. I could be wrong. Okay, I want to stress that, but given the facts that are on the table right now at this moment, that is where I am at. Now, I'm not saying Jay-Z is guilty. I'm just saying I'm slightly on one side of the seesaw than the other. And I should also say that if new evidence comes to light, and I'm sure it will, I

• 13:34Jake Brennan?

  reserve the right to change my mind based on new facts. Okay. But as of right now, this is just what my gut is telling me. It's slightly more likely to me that Jay's guilty as alleged. We get more details. We get, more importantly, we get more interesting details on this case. And I guess broadly on the Sean Combs case, I will have them for you here in the after party. Before we get to the rest of today's after party, though, I just want to mention our rewind episode is going to pop up on your feed the day after you hear this bonus episode. And that rewind episode is another Christmas themed story. This one on the incredible country singer Merle Haggard. So check that out. Okay. For all your honky tonk Christmas vibes. And even if you don't know who Merle

• 14:16Jake Brennan?

  is, you're going to want to hear this story. Merle is one of the best to ever do it. All right. Okay. Following Merle, next week's episode, another story that takes place around Christmas. It's on larger than life, life of the party, Chris Farley. So when you're listening to this episode, you're no doubt going to be thinking of SNL and the SNL cast that you loved growing up. Let me know 617-906-6638. Which SNL performer is your fave? And from which era, which SNL performer from which cast made you and your friends laugh the hardest? Hit me up at Grace Land Pod on the socials 617-906-6638. Voicemail and text. I will be back in a flash with your voicemails and texts.

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• 17:13Jake Brennan?

  All right, we're gonna get to your texts and voicemails in a second, but I want to talk to you guys real quick about something. As I just mentioned before the break, hit me up with your answers, question of the week on SNL. But I'm also looking for something else from you guys this week. I want to know, what's your story? Okay, I want to hear from you guys on any story related to rock and roll that you want to tell. It can be a story that happened to you at a concert or a show, or just listening to music. It can be a story about an artist that you heard about, that I don't know about, okay? But screw that, don't worry about the story being unique, or something that I or others have heard. It can be any story of rock and roll animalism that you love. It can be a story, like I said, you already heard in Disgrace Land,

• 17:56Jake Brennan?

  that you keep going back to, that you shared with others, a story that you and your friends can't stop thinking about, that you talk about often. All right, I'm serious about this idea of preserving the true spirit of rock and roll, that we talked about in a few of these previous bonus episodes. To do so, you guys, you gotta help me out. Disco's gotta help, all right? Send your rock and roll animal story, any story. Send it in to me, I'm gonna start cataloging them. I'm gonna start talking about them more here in the after-party with you guys directly. I'm gonna start featuring you and your stories every week in videos on social. So, give me a little bit about yourself as well. Who you are, what your name is, where you're from, how long you've been listening to Disgrace Land, and anyone you want me to shout out when I feature you and your story, okay? The guys down at the job site,

• 18:40Jake Brennan?

  the girls in your office, on your shift with you, your cat, your dog, your brother, your sister, whoever. I'll pick one story, I'll pick one story and feature it in a video on social. And I'll get to use my Carl Castle voice. This week's story of the week comes from Deb in the 212. And then I'm gonna read your story and a bit about you, maybe put in some visuals to the video. And then we'll, you know, we'll talk about some of the other stories here in the after-party as well. Like, this whole process is gonna be us sort of maintaining, preserving the true spirit of rock and roll. I don't know exactly what this is gonna turn into, but it's all about us together preserving these stories beyond the podcast and at a Minimum, this project will give us the opportunity to start talking more about these

• 19:23Jake Brennan?

  wild tales here in the after party and on social every week. When I pick one of you and feature your story. So the kinks that had the village green preservation society. This is something like the disgraced land rock and roll preservation society, the disco rock and roll preservation society, something like that. So hit me with your stories, any story, any rock and roll animal story you got. 617-906-6638 voicemail and text at disgraced sand pod on the socials. Okay, let's hear from Jessica in the 314.

• 19:55Speaker 06

  Hi Jake, it's Jessica, your friendly neighborhood massage therapist.

• 20:00Speaker 06

  I really want you to debunk the Rod Stewart stomach pumping. My uncle has brought it up multiple times. I don't know why he even thinks about it, but I keep telling him that's not physically possible. So I just would really like some real factual information on that. Thank you.

• 20:18Jake Brennan?

  Jessica, I don't know who your uncle is, but he's, he does have a weird, you're, you're, you're hinting at a weird fascination here with this story and it's a weird fucking story.

• 20:28Jake Brennan?

  It's a bit too ridiculous. I never believed it. The Rod Stewart having his stomach pumped. So this morning, on the heels of your voicemail, I looked it up and I learned how this story came to be. And I remember hearing this story as some of you did when I was a kid. Okay. In like elementary school. The story is, the myth is that Rod Stewart took on nine sailors. Rod's a giving lad, I guess, because this was fellatio. And like I said, Rod, Rod, yeah, Rod was doing the deed there. And anyway, afterward, as the ridiculous story goes, Rod had swallowed so much that he had to have it all pumped out. Okay. Dumb, dumb fucking story. Clearly it never happened.

• 21:15Jake Brennan?

  But this morning I asked, how could this become a myth? And I looked it up and it's pretty interesting. Okay, so it's, I believe this is the early 80s when this takes place. Could have been the late 70s, but I believe it's the early 80s. And apparently Rod Stewart had pissed off one of his publicists, or his main publicist, a disgruntled ex-publicist. I found the guy's name, but I'm not, I'm not using it here. How, now, look, I'm not trying to be insensitive here at all. I'm just telling you the story. All right, so do not judge me for this. Apparently Rod Stewart was staying at some hotel with his family, friends, crew, whomever, on the road, I guess.

• 21:56Jake Brennan?

  And he had a son with him and was apparently trying to maintain some non-rock and roll lifestyle, some sort of family atmosphere. And Rod caught his publicist at the hotel in bed with another man. And that pissed Rod off, so Rod fired the publicist. Now, that's the story I read this morning. Do I believe that story to be true? Um, I don't believe it to be 100% accurate, but I do think it's a kernel of the story's origin. Should be noted that I read in the same, I don't want to shit on this publication because they're very active and out there in the world. And I think they do more good than bad. But I did read another story from this outlet this morning

• 22:41Jake Brennan?

  that said that Martin Scorsese grew up in Queens, which he did not. But hey, everybody gets facts wrong every now and then, myself included. That said, the details of the story, I'm not 100% behind them. However, the, the general origin of it is very interesting to me. And I think it could have happened. Rod comes back to his hotel. He finds his publicist in bed with another man. Rod is pissed off about this for some reason. I don't know what it is beyond the obvious sort of, I guess, prudeness and homophobia. I don't know. I don't know what was going on. I won't accuse Rod of that. Rod was pissed, fired the publicist, and then the publicist.

• 23:18Jake Brennan?

  Feeling vengeful, went to his contacts in the press and made this rumor up about Rod and spread it to get revenge, which is insane. So Jessica, lay that all on your uncle and let me know what he says. Seriously, I want to know what your uncle says. I don't, I don't think he's going to give up this story. It feels like he's too attached to it, but let me know. All right. Lots of incoming from you guys on your favorite Christmas songs. And we talked about that last week. We'll give a little more air to it this week. So let's check out this voicemail from Liam in the 206.

• 23:50Speaker 06

  Yeah, this is Liam calling from Seattle. You're asking about a favorite Christmas song. So a little story in 1996, I was backpacking through Cambodia and that was early on. Pol Pot was still alive and place was a total mess, total anarchy. Loved it. Prior to leaving, I put together a little set of Christmas tunes on a tape for my Walkman. And so back in the day, huh? And one of the songs, you know, I had, I would play over and over as I was going through the Angkor Wat temples in Cambodia. And now it's become a staple

• 24:28Speaker 06

  for the holidays when we get family together. And that is rocking out to Run DMC, Christmas in Hollis.

• 24:37Jake Brennan?

  Liam, I love this. I love that you were backpacking through Pol Pot's Cambodia in the 1990s and listening to Run DMC. This might be the most badass voicemail we've ever received. Love it, Liam. Christmas time in Hollis. Can't fuck with it. All right. 617-906-6638. Get at me, guys. Voicemail and text. Let's check out this text from the 302. Okay, text reads, here's what I don't understand about Tom DeLonge. Why Tom DeLonge? Of all people. I mean, I do know why, but surely there's got to be someone more relevant, more socially impactful in the 2000s who believes as strongly as Tom

• 25:21Jake Brennan?

  does. Now, this person from the 302 who's writing in is referencing the Little Disgrace Land documentary we released on our Patreon last week as a drop that goes into the story of Tom DeLonge and his UFO disclosure. And my answer to that would be,

• 25:40Jake Brennan?

  The United States government has used many unwitting, but also unlikely individuals from culture to disclose information. So, you know, I don't know, maybe it's just as simple as CIA just doesn't have a handle. I mean, who are they going to go through, you know, three months ago, you would have said Jay-Z would have had a good choice, right? So, I mean, Tom DeLonge has a lot of experience in this field. The guy's written, co-written a ton of books on this. And he has a huge bullhorn and a huge audience. And I think it's as simple as that. I really do. And I want to know what's going on in New Jersey. All right. 302 also writes in 1,000 mob guys in New Jersey and not one of them has shot a drone down.

• 26:26Jake Brennan?

  Yeah, what is up? What is up? Every day I have a different opinion on this. I'm like, it's UFOs, it's UAPs. Then I'm like, it's China. Then I'm like, it's government. They're looking for, they're trying to sense out radiation. There's a dirty bomb that's, I'm not saying that, don't get worried. But, you know, I have let my paranoia get the best of me. People from New Jersey who are listening to this, please call me, write to me, text me, hit me at disgraced lampod on social. Some of you already have, but no one so far who has had eyes on these. 617-906-6638. I want to know what the hell is going on? Please, we're not getting any information.

• 27:07Jake Brennan?

  And I've kind of like, I'm not trying to be into this story, but I can't stop thinking about it. So hit me up. All right. Back to real quick here, the 302 and the Tom DeLonge doc. If you guys haven't seen this, sign up for our Patreon. disgracedlampod.com/membership. And that thing's going to live up there forever for Patreon, paid Patreon members. All right. You can be able to check it out there. All right. 570, 570 writes in, hey Jake, this is Logan from the 570. I just finished the latest bonus episode. I wanted to let you know, I could not hear the trucks in the background. I hope this helps. Rock a roller 570. It does help. There's no trucks today, but there is some banging. They're putting a roof on the, on the house across the street.

• 27:50Jake Brennan?

  I did find out today that a semi-famous.

• 27:55Jake Brennan?

  Felon has moved into the house on my street like four houses down. Not going to say who it is because he's rehabilitated himself and we're all for that. But I'm a little starstruck by this fascinating anyways. They're putting a roof on the house across the street. I think I'm, I think I'm talking my way around the bang and I can't wait for this studio to be done. I can't wait. Got a little more time though. I appreciate the, the text 570416. Jason writes in, this is in regards to the Christmas song. I want to do a couple more of these Christmas songs. Christmas in prison by John Prine is in my mind. The greatest Christmas song ever written. It's along the lines of, I'll be home for Christmas, but it's realer.

• 28:39Jake Brennan?

  And it puts you right there in the cell with the singer and his pining heart. How can you be, it was Christmas in prison and the food was real good. We had turkey and pistols carved out of wood. And I dream of her always, even when I don't dream. Her name is on my tongue and her blood's in my stream. Rock-a-roller, Merry Christmas. How awesome is that? Jason, thank you for that text. Beautiful. I need to check that John Prine song out. I keep saying that I keep forgetting, but I appreciate you reminding me. 617-906-6638. Any of you guys want to remind me of your Christmas songs, your favorite Christmas songs? We can keep this topic open for the next, next week here until we get through the holiday season.

• 29:24Jake Brennan?

  At disgraced and pod on the socials as well. Got this one from a fellow named John Gorman, who wrote, wrote to me last year at this time and I missed it. Okay. And then he wrote to me again and I saw the rest of his message. I think that's how this worked. My dog's barking in the background now. Anyways, John writes, I just got back to the States from Shane McGowan's funeral. And if you haven't already done one, you gotta do one on him. The stories his wife told at the funeral were insane. I knew he was one mad bastard, but had no idea how mad. And I responded, of course. I was like, were you friends with Shane? How did you end up at his funeral? And John wrote in, I asked him if you heard the episode too. And John wrote in, I did, great episode.

• 30:10Jake Brennan?

  Big fan and I met him at a music bar through Friends, a Friends band called Black 47. I've heard of Black 47 before in Manhattan years ago. Patty Riley's got drunk a few nights before his funeral, grabbed my passport and went. It was welcomed like family, oddly enough, and helped send him off. John Gorman, you sound like my kind of guy, man. That is incredible, incredible. John liked the Shane McGowan episode as well. So if you guys haven't heard the Shane McGowan episode of Disgrace Land, I encourage you to go check that out. Speaking of the Irish, this from Matt O'Brien, spelled O-B-R-A-N-A-I-N,

• 30:52Jake Brennan?

  with some accents over the O and the A, accents that I should know because of my Irish heritage, but I do not. And Matt writes in, ah, you're a Brennan too. I was born Brennan, but use the Irish version of which there are two Brennan and Brannan. Wonder which is yours? Interesting content. He goes on to say, if you're from the South, it's Brennan, meaning tear. If from North, it's Brannan, which means crow. Now, I knew about the crow interpretation of Brennan. I did not know about the tear interpretation Brennan. And I don't want to be regretful of the crow tramp stamp tattoo that I have, but I might need to start considering a teardrop tattoo on my face. I don't know, just, just thinking.

• 31:36Jake Brennan?

  Okay, what else do we got here? We'll do one from X. This one comes from Scott Holsupple. Holsupple, I should know who this guy is, verified. Writes in Disgrace Land Pod, thank you for the amazing podcast. You crushed every episode. Anthony Bourdain one was an emotional roller coaster. You made the 10 hour drive from Nashville to State College, PA a breeze. Scott, you're the man. Thank you for taking me along on your trip. I appreciate it. At Disgrace Land Pod, guys, you want to hit me up anywhere, Facebook, Instagram, or on X, you can hit me up with your answer to the question of the week, which is which SNL performer is your fave and from what era? And, and I encourage you to hit me up with your story. Okay.

• 32:21Jake Brennan?

  What story do you want us to preserve? What story of rock and roll animalism? Most resonates with you that you can't stop thinking about. Let me know. Call me 617 906 6638 at disgracelandpod on the socials. I'll be back in a flash with some reviews and some emails.

• 32:45Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back. I'm highly caffeinated. I'm trying to slow it down. I hope I hope I'm not going too fast here. I have never talked to you guys about my, my coffee maker. It's a, it's an espresso machine. Actually, it's not a super expensive one, but it is a kick ass one. It, I love this thing. Honestly, like I have guitars that I like less than my espresso machine. And I'm drinking like a half calf, right? I do a little, you know, decaffeinated grind and, and some, and a regular grind and I am cruising right now. So I hope I'm slowing it down though. So you know, the drill, right? Independent podcasts, right?

• 33:28Jake Brennan?

  Don't have billions of dollars to promote this thing. Okay. I'm not a Kelsey brother. All right. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not dating Taylor Swift. Okay. Clearly. So, right? The only way this podcast grows, continues to grow is on the backs of you guys spreading the word, talking about the content. In particular, you want to support this show, you can do so on Patreon. You know that. Go to disgracelandpod.com/membership. But if you don't have five bucks a month, or you don't want to become a free member or whatever, that's fine. All you got to do, if you want to help out the show, leave a review. Okay. Subscribe to the show, follow the show and leave a review. Reviews help with discovery. I say that every week because it's that important. Over on Spotify, Ashley Pickles wrote, "This was incredible.

• 34:11Jake Brennan?

  Can we get the Oscars for podcasts and give this one all of them?" Ashley's talking about the recent John Lennon episode, part two, the one where we get into the assassination of John Lennon. Thank you, Ashley. Get in touch. Hit me up and we'll get some merch out to you. Over on Apple Podcasts, TCB Mandah, that's the username, writes, "In 2020, I joined the podcast craze devouring mainly true crime shows and trending Topics, someone passionate about music history and Elvis, I stumbled upon Jake's podcast and was immediately drawn in. The Disgrace Land and Double Elvis intrigued me and I'm glad I had found the podcast and interest I'm actually interested in. Thank you very

• 34:51Jake Brennan?

  much, TCB man. Da. Get in touch and we'll get you some merch. All right. Get in touch on social or email me [email protected], at disgracelandpod on the socials, 6179066638, voicemail and text. And again, [email protected]. Just like this email from Shelley Freberg and wow, do we have a good one here. Okay. Listen. Subject BS Diddy episode. Message, I swear to God, I didn't read this email until right now. Okay. The whole thing I said earlier about Jay-Z, I said that before I read this. You just have to trust me on this. Email says, hey, just listen to your Diddy update. You are 50/50 regarding his

• 35:35Jake Brennan?

  guilt. Actually, no, I'm not 50/50 regarding Diddy's guilt. This is me talking now, Shelley, not Shelley. I said I was 50/50 regarding Jay-Z's guilt. Okay. But that doesn't seem to, that doesn't matter to Shelley either, I don't think. Cause she goes on to say, way to straddle the middle of the road regarding a monster pedophile. Okay. So now I'm not sure if she's talking about Jay-Z or Diddy. Okay. Let's assume she's talking about Jay-Z. I've loved Disgrace Land for years. Just subscribe and listen to your Diddy episode where you have no opinion about Diddy or Jay-Z. Now that's just patently false. And if you've listened to Disgrace Land for years, how did you just subscribe? Okay. I do have, I clearly

• 36:19Jake Brennan?

  have an opinion about Jay-Z and I said I was 50/50. And look, if you're 50/50, I didn't say I'm 50/50 like, I don't know, could be this way, could be that way. I said it's 50/50 that he could have done it or did not do it. And that says something because if you actually believe in the integrity of somebody, you're not going to give him a 50% chance of raping somebody. There's a huge difference. Okay. If you asked me, and I said this clearly last week, if you asked me two years ago, do I think Jay-Z could have raped a child? I would have said absolutely, 100% no.

• 36:55Jake Brennan?

  My trust in his integrity has degraded by 50%, more now by 55%. Not that that's gonna satisfy Shelley here. Okay, let me keep on going here. Are you afraid of having opinion? I'm clearly not afraid of having an opinion. If you have listened to this podcast for years, you know, I am not afraid of having an opinion, even wildly unpopular opinions. Okay, then she goes on to say, do you hate women? I'm not even gonna answer that because it's so fucking stupid. Support the music industry's disgusting system, apparently. How fucking disappointing. I never pegged you for a coward. This is, this reads so crazy, right?

• 37:39Jake Brennan?

  That I actually think it's not from a real person. I think it's from an army of trolls slash email, whatever. They're not a bot, but just people who are just sort of been unleashed to go out into the world and just try to, I don't know, like get public opinion going in one way or another. This episode that basically whitewashed their crimes. How the fuck did that episode whitewash any crimes? I feel dumb guys even giving this, this, this criticism air here, but I don't, I don't know. She goes on to say, oh, I don't know, maybe they're innocent. Well, yeah, they might be fucking innocent. Okay, they might be.

• 38:23Jake Brennan?

  You don't know, we have not seen, especially Jay-Z. We haven't seen any evidence at all. Okay, none. We have an accuser who has what we've seen this year, this week, inconsistencies in her story. Does that mean she's lying? I don't think so. Maybe, perhaps, we don't know. We're gonna find out. We are gonna find out. And I'll just say, as it pertains to Sean Combs, we do have, we do have actual evidence. We have evidence that he is a monster. Okay, we have evidence that he beat the tar out of his girlfriend.

• 39:03Jake Brennan?

  But we don't have evidence that he's yet that he's a pedophile, as you're suggesting. We don't have evidence that these atrocious allegations that are being bandied about on TikTok and elsewhere are actually true. And there's not a lot of evidence yet that we have seen that supports the charges in the federal indictment. Will we get them? Perhaps. But I'm not going to sit here at on in December of 2024 and pretend like everything is an open and shut case. Our job is to watch what happens and to talk about it and to get as much of this story as possible to try to understand the humans behind these either

• 39:47Jake Brennan?

  potential crimes or allegations. So Shelley, I want to say I thank you for your email and invite you to, you know, 617-906-6638. Give me a call. You sound like you got a lot on your mind. Let me know. We can talk about this even further. All right. You guys want to email me about anything? [email protected]. Go for it. Hit me up. As you know, I read even the critical ones. Listen, I do want to know your story. Okay. So you can email me that. All right. We talked about this already. What's the rock and roll animalism story that you cannot get off your mind that you want to talk about in more detail? You and your friends talk about it, whomever, let me know. Let me know who you are. Let me know who you want me to shout out. 617-906-6638. Email me [email protected]

• 40:32Jake Brennan?

  at disgracelandpod on the socials. And this episode is nearing its end. You know, the after party continues. I'm gonna talk a little bit more about Jay-Z, Beyonce, and the after party. I'm gonna talk about some Christmas true crime as well in the bonus section of the after party here. You guys know, we get into more stuff in the bonus episode. Go to disgracelandpod.com/membership to sign up. You're not only going to get the bonus stuff here in the after party, you're going to get ad free listening. You're going to get an extra episode per month, and you're going to get me in the chat and Patreon. All right. Back in a flash.

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• 41:45Jake Brennan?

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• 43:25Jake Brennan?

  All right, we are back and I gotta get out of here. I got a shit ton of Christmas shopping left to do. I don't know about you guys, but I just want to say a big thanks to everyone who joined me in the Patreon Book Club last night. Also to all of you who showed up for the Patreon Disgraceland doc that we had last week. Lots going on. We got book clubs, Zoom hangs, exclusive Disgraceland documentary drops, all for $5 a month. disgracelandpod.com/membership. You also get the ad-free listening and the bonus content here in the after-party. So, get in, become an all-access disco, okay? If you're not a Patreon user, still get the ad-free listening and bonus content in Apple. Plus, Apple, as I mentioned last week, curates these cool Disgraceland collections for you guys. It's a way to help organize your listening

• 44:08Jake Brennan?

  while delving through our massive 200-plus archive of episodes. Again, disgracelandpod.com/membership to sign up. Speaking of the archive, we mentioned a lot of previous Disgraceland subjects earlier in this episode, so I'm just gonna blast through them here with their respective seasons that they were released in, so that you guys can easily find these in your podcast player or at disgracelandpod.com/listen, all right? Mama Cass, Parts 1 and 2, Season 10. Michael Hutchence from Inexcess, Season 14. Paul McCartney, Paul is Dead, Episode from Season 8. Robert Johnson, Season 10. Jim Morrison, Season 3. Stevie Nicks from Fleetwood Mac, Parts 1 and 2. Stevie Nicks and the Cocaine Enema, I should say. That's Season 8.

• 44:51Jake Brennan?

  Led Zeppelin, from Season 4. And Johnny Ace, from this past Tuesday, our most recent episode on Elvis Presley and Johnny Ace. All right, let's recap, shall we? Number 1, I want your story. Call me, text me, @me on the socials with your favorite story of rock and roll animalism. The wild story about a rock star that you are aware of, that you want me to tell, that I've already told, that you love, that you talk about with your friends. All right, let me know what it is. Let me know your story and let me know a little bit about you. Hit me up, right now in your feed. Number 2, right now in your feed, our episode on Elvis Presley and Johnny Ace. Number 3, coming tomorrow, special rewind episode from our archive on Merle Haggard. Number 4, merch winners, get in touch, you know who you are. Number 5, remember, no- No one cares about preserving the spirit of rock and roll more than you do. And well, that's a disgrace. All right.

• 45:35Jake Brennan?

  In honor of this week's subject, Johnny Ace, me reading to you the Billboard chart from the day he died on Christmas in 1954. Number one, Mr. Sandman by Pat Ballard, last week, one, Weeks on Chart, eight. Number two, Let Me Go Lover by Jenny Lou Carson, last week, two, Weeks on Chart, three. Number three, Teach Me Tonight by Sammy Kahn and Jean DePaul, last week, three, Weeks on Chart, 11. Number four, I Need You by Jimmy Crane and A. Jacobs, last week, three, Weeks on Chart, 60.

• 46:19Jake Brennan?

  Number five, Naughty Lady of Shame by Topper and Bennett, last week, six, Weeks on Chart, 15. Number six, This Old House by Stuart Hens, last week, six, Weeks on Chart, 16.

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• 46:44Jake Brennan?

  I like a story with a twist as much as anyone, but some of the best traditions don't have one. They just started and kept going. That's something that's great about Chateau St. Michelle. They've been leading Washington wine since 1967 with wines that are balanced, expressive, and easy to enjoy. Choosing the right bottle shouldn't feel complicated. It should be something you open with confidence every time. So for once, here's a story with no twist, just a good bottle. Redefine your rituals with Chateau St. Michelle.

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• 47:24Speaker 07

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