US Oks ATACMS use in Russia & Trumps Nat Sec Nominees | EYES ON PODCAST

Subscribe to the new EYES ON YouTube channel.⬇️ https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJytcQbSOEKLGyhNwkqpd3A Today we’re joined by Jack Murphy, to discuss the Biden admin approving atacms use in russia, we also talk about a chinese bessle cutting a communication line in northen europe and whether trumps Nominees for NSC poitions make sense. Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse Grab Jacks new book here ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/We-Defy-Chapters-Special-History-ebook/dp/B0DCGC1N1N?dplnkId=f8403b24-e8e0-44c7-9b8b-90d17601e9d4&nodl=1 Find Jason here ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app Find Andy Milburn here:⬇️https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 https://amilburn.substack.com/ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Find Mick Mulroy here:⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ https://x.com/MickMulroy?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ #ukrainewar #russia #trump Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 0:59Jack Murphy?

  I mean, the UK, like, pretty early on in the war, it was interesting. While we were kind of stutter stepping, I remember pretty clearly, it might have been like the British Foreign Minister or something like that, he was asked a question at a press conference, like, if the Ukrainians use British-supplied missiles and lob them into Russia, like, what's our stance on that? What's, what's, what's, you know, Britain's policy about this? And the guy was like, I mean, if Ukraine decides to do what they're going to decide to do with the missiles, that's their problem. Like, it was totally hands-off. And that, that was like within, you know, the first, like, four or five months of the war.

• 1:39Jack Murphy?

  So, I mean, it shows how long it took for us, for big bad America to get to that point. But I think it's hilarious that, what was it like? Do, it must have been two years ago when I ran my article about the sabotage teams.

• 1:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was just, it was almost probably two years ago. It was like December of 22.

• 1:59Jack Murphy?

  And when I wrote that, all these people clutching their pearls, "Oh, Jack Murphy, how dare you accuse our government of doing something so dastardly that would..." Never happened this blah, blah, blah. Well, here we are two years later and we're doing it openly. Like it's not, it's not clean destined sabotage teams. We're just saying straight up, we're going to give the Ukrainians ballistic missiles and they're going to lob them into Russia. It's not even secret. I, I, so I, I don't know. It's just wild the way, and I predicted it back then too. I was like, you're going to see it happen in baby steps.

• 2:35Jack Murphy?

  Where this thing I'm saying that's controversial right now is just going to be an open secret. And when you bring it up, people are just going to look at you like you're weird. Like, so everyone knows that was the big deal.

• 2:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 2:49Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's crazy.

• 2:51Speaker 03

  All right. So let's start. I'm going to put, I'm going to try and squeeze that in because that was a good bit. Uh, welcome to Eyes on, uh. What does Dandy do? Um, yeah, I'm Andy Milburn.

• 3:04Jack Murphy?

  You sound like Andy Milburn.

• 3:06Speaker 03

  Thank you. Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on.

• 3:10Jack Murphy?

  Hello, mate.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  Jack Murphy, of course, our fearless leader, Team House Podcast, High Side, Substack, uh, myriad of other things. His new book coming out December 9th. We defy uh, secret history or special forces. A lot of cool stuff going on there. So check that out. It's in the link is in the description. You could preorder now. On Kindle and you can get the hard, the paperback December 9th.

• 3:34Jack Murphy?

  I have too many jobs, guys.

• 3:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:37Jack Murphy?

  It's the bottom one.

• 3:38Speaker 03

  Well, that's would be good if people liked and subscribed to the Eyes on and Team House. We would cut down one of those jobs.

• 3:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:46Jack Murphy?

  Subscribe to the Patreon, folks.

• 3:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, patreon.com slash the team house. All the links are in the description. Great job, Jack. Thanks for soup, super smooth segue.

• 3:56Jack Murphy?

  You want to, uh, oh, just to, before we jump right into the hard news, I mean, on, on that note, you know, the three of us were all at that event. Was it just a time flies so quickly? It was just last weekend, wasn't it?

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 4:08Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, we, uh, we had a, a event in New Jersey in Hackensack that a triple ought design was, was kind enough to host and have me there as the speaker. And my friends were nice enough to take pity on me and show up for it. Uh, so Dimitri was there and, and Jason and a few other people that we know. Uh, but it was a really nice event and it was really nice to meet some of the folks that came out. Um, and, and you know, the topic was, you know, talking about the, the book that Dee had mentioned that's coming out, uh, and like. Two and a half weeks now.

• 4:41Speaker 03

  Oh, wow. It's coming up. Yeah.

• 4:43Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it's coming up fast.

• 4:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was a good time. It was a really great time, man, meeting some people and hearing. I mean, I've heard the stories from you and, you know, some of the background stuff, but uh, some of the questions that the host asked were ones that I hadn't thought of. So yeah, it was a really good time.

• 4:58Jack Murphy?

  And then, and then you want to tell them about uh, the barbecue place or did, did, did uh, Trip tell you the backstory of that place?

• 5:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  Uh, yeah, he was talking about the uh, the guys like an impromptu um, an envoy between us and North Korea. Is that right?

• 5:14Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, yeah, this, this, this uh, barbecue joint in New Jersey and the owner is like, yeah, some sort of back channel between the United States and North Korea. There's an article and I think it's in Vanity Fair about it. That's.

• 5:26Speaker 04

  I'll be honest, when, when he told me about it and then when we were sitting down eating, um, I'm looking at the walls, you know, and there's articles and stuff and, and I'm probably going to get hammered for this, but I expected this to be a Korean guy.

• 5:39Jack Murphy?

  So did I. Yeah.

• 5:40Speaker 04

  And then when he walked out and I glanced over, I'm like, oh my, it's this tall, like white guy. And I was like, oh my God.

• 5:46Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 5:46Speaker 04

  I'd love to know the story of how that came to be.

• 5:49Speaker 03

  I don't know if I was racial profiling, but I walked to the bathroom. I was looking at the people sitting and eating. There were a couple like, like, I don't know if they were Korean or not. So I'm definitely being on the edge of being racist, but they were Asian people. And I was like, maybe those are like Korean uh, DPRK fucking agents or some shit.

• 6:10Jack Murphy?

  Staking out the barbecue joint.

• 6:12Speaker 03

  Or I was just, I was just racial profiling.

• 6:14Jack Murphy?

  The thing with the North Koreans is like, you can't uh, you can't put anything past them. That place is so strange. You can't put it past them. Like, I don't really worry about the Russians coming after me because I'm not important enough to be come after, you know, like, why would they bother? Uh, but like North Korea, like, yeah, some of these guys are kind of, kind of weird.

• 6:34Speaker 04

  Yeah, we haven't whacked anybody in a while. Let's go see if we're Jack Murphy's at.

• 6:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, we haven't, we haven't been in the news.

• 6:39Jack Murphy?

  Maybe I'm just like the low hanging fruit. It's like, oh, this, this guy's easy. You know, we can just run him down with a car as he's, you know, walking to his place or something.

• 6:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. And he's coming to the place where we do like meetings anyway. So it's like, he's making it pretty easy.

• 6:51Speaker 04

  Send a new guy.

• 6:54Speaker 03

  Um, so yeah, getting into like the, I mean, there's a lot going on. I think I want to kick off with Biden, the Biden administration, okay, Ukraine to use attackums and other missiles in Russia. UK and France did the same thing, which stormed shadows and scalps. And, uh, Russia came back. I don't know if they were planning this, but they supposedly changed their nuclear doctrine where like if they are hit by NATO missiles, they reserve the right to either like use WMDs on Kiev or other uh, targets. I'm assuming they're talking about Eastern Europe and areas like that. Um. Yeah. What are you guys thinking about that?

• 7:36Speaker 03

  Why now? Why do you think Biden's letting letting it off the chain now? Cause it's been this incremental thing from, from the get go.

• 7:44Speaker 04

  I, I feel like it's something that's been, it's been coming down the pipe anyway. Um, and I think now that he's a lame duck president, it's just, you know, he wants to get it out there before, uh, Trump takes over and puts the kibosh on it, you know, who knows? What about you, Jack?

• 8:05Jack Murphy?

  Uh, I mean, this is going to sound rather hawkish. Um, and you know, throughout this entire war, we've heard all this stuff about escalation and red lines and off ramps and et cetera, et cetera. And a lot of the theory behind that, that has existed since, you know, the dawn of the cold war has been tested and, and basically thrown out the window as near, near as I can tell. Um, I, I mean, I think that, uh, we got to pull their punk card. Uh, I think that, you know, Putin, that punk ass bitch isn't going to do shit. I think the Ukrainians can lob ballistic missiles in. And I don't think Putin has the balls to do it. I don't think he has the balls. And that's what some of this comes down to. Like there is international brinksmanship involved in this.

• 8:49Jack Murphy?

  You know, during the Cuban missile crisis and, and a few other times during the cold war. The national security advisors and the president are essentially staring down the barrel of a gun and they're saying, do something bitch. I mean, that's, I know that's simplified and crass, but I mean, there's something to that. And, uh, you know, the, the political science, maybe the more nice way to put it is, uh, in political science, they call it like a fait accompli, um, which means you're, you know, you're basically playing chicken with them. Like, I'm gonna do this. What are you gonna do about it? Um, and that's what a lot of these, um, actions that we've taken and that Ukraine takes that could be described as provocative. I mean, that's what they are essentially. I mean, you're, you're checking their aggression,

• 9:34Jack Murphy?

  saying, well, what the fuck are you gonna do about it? And we've seen what they're willing to do and what they're not willing to do. They're willing to play footsie with the North Koreans and use them as cannon fodder, but they're not willing to cross that WMD line.

• 9:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think they know how the outcome of that, what that would be. So.

• 9:52Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That, that would drag NATO directly into the conflict, um, for starters. If not, if you don't end up having some sort of limited nuclear exchange in Eastern Europe, and the Russians don't want that any more than we do. Um, so, yeah, I, I don't, I don't, I just don't see it happening.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm willing to bet that Putin's not even, uh, willing to authorize, uh, use of non-nuclear weapons into a NATO country, not even nuclear weapons, like tit for tat, say, well, now we can launch and hit Poland if we think you're staging there.

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• 12:05Speaker 04

  I don't even think he has the balls to do that.

• 12:08Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, you're right that you haven't seen that happen yet. We've seen, you know, acts of sabotage, you know, like GRU type stuff in Europe, but that's about as far as they've gone with it so far.

• 12:22Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, someone told me very early on in the war, Putin has nowhere else to escalate this thing. And I think that's true. Like we've, what has the escalation been? He's just been throwing more and more bodies at it. And Russia has the advantage of having that deep magazine, so to speak, that they can draw on all these, I mean, I'm sorry, they're human beings, but they're used as cannon fodder, unfortunately.

• 12:47Jack Murphy?

  And you saw that play out in 1936 when the Nazis invaded and the Nazis achieved very quick strategic victories over the Russians was like kicking their ass. But over time, the USSR was able to mobilize a large number of personnel and fight back and they did successfully.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  A little bit of more of like some sabotage going on in uh Northern Europe. What uh did you guys see the report about? A Chinese ship cutting a communications line between uh Finland?

• 13:19Jack Murphy?

  I saw something about.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, so like supposedly right now, three Navy ships are converging on the Chinese vessel suspecting the cutting communications is about thirty minutes ago.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Three US Navy?

• 13:29Speaker 03

  No, uh, three Danish Navy ships.

• 13:32Jack Murphy?

  You you wonder if they cut it like an act of sabotage, or you gotta wonder if they were trying to tap it and they fucked it up.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  I would think probably tap it.

• 13:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:40Jack Murphy?

  And they and they fucked up and cut it accidentally.

• 13:43Speaker 03

  And this is as of like ten thirteen AM. On the nineteenth of of November that this is going on right now. So there'll probably be more information as the day goes on.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  Was it Finland? Who was it that recently found a like a shit ton of um uh surveillance equipment outside their bases? Was that Finland? One of them.

• 14:05Jack Murphy?

  I haven't heard that one.

• 14:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, one of them over there in the last couple of weeks is just keep finding all sorts of surveillance and um electronic disruption equipment outside of their bases. And they're trying, I mean, I'm pretty sure we all know who it is, but.

• 14:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. Crazy.

• 14:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, the the Chinese vessel is called the Nunu Polar Bear destroyed it. I mean, this one says an undersea gas pipeline. I don't know if it's a pipeline. Between Finland and Estonia. Oh, this is last year. Sorry, I'm just fucking.

• 14:38Speaker 03

  So the tele.

• 14:39Jack Murphy?

  Pines.

• 14:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, the telecom cable that they they cut connects Finland, Germany, and Sweden, Lithuania.

• 14:48Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, shit. Okay. Yeah, that's a pretty important one.

• 14:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:53Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, wild waters. Those are dangerous waters to be fucked.

• 14:56Speaker 04

  I was gonna say, yeah. And they used to have to send dive teams, right? Or like a submersible at the least?

• 15:04Jack Murphy?

  I mean, yeah, there are a couple of different ways you can go about tapping fiber under sea fiber. And then one of them is, uh, yeah, submarines. Uh, and you know, you can, we have allegedly, we have one submarine where you can open up like the doors, the bay doors on the bottom of it and bring the cable up into it and work on it. Um, or you can saturation divers locking out of the submarines or from a, coming down from a boat, maybe. Um, and then the third one, if you can, usually this isn't plausible for espionage. We put like a, um, like a raft underneath the cable, um, and then inflate it. And it like lifts the cable up above the water and then you can fuck with it up there and then bring it back down.

• 15:48Jack Murphy?

  But if you're trying to do something in secret, normally that's not going to be an option.

• 15:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. Crazy.

• 15:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. All right. So there's a couple more news items. I mean, Hamas moved their political operation to Turkey because they got booted out of Qatar. Uh, there's already reports I saw like about like Israeli, uh, you know, government officials going to Turkey to try and continue this negotiation. Um, I, I mean, in my opinion, I don't really see the negotiation going fucking anywhere.

• 16:23Jack Murphy?

  Yeah.

• 16:23Speaker 03

  Also, I mean, Turkey is a NATO, a NATO country. I mean, I don't know if that changes things or what. Um,

• 16:31Speaker 03

  also does it, does it like give the Israelis and Mossad like a green light on these guys? Like, does it change anything?

• 16:42Speaker 04

  Inside of Turkey?

• 16:43Speaker 03

  Inside of Turkey. Yeah.

• 16:45Speaker 04

  Uh, I would say probably not, but I mean, when has that ever stopped them before? Um, yeah, I, I don't know. Cause. I always, when it comes to Turkey and NATO, I always use the air quotes because yeah, they're an ally, but you know, they kind of do their own thing and stir up their own trouble. And I just don't see them being very hospitable with Israel, doing some kind of shenanigans inside of their border.

• 17:14Jack Murphy?

  But there are a lot of shenanigans that go on in Turkey. You know, there's, so for instance,

• 17:22Jack Murphy?

  this came out in like a newsletter and I found out that it's actually true. In Turkey, a couple FBI agents got hit with Havana syndrome on the beach. And it was two operatives running it. And the interesting part was these Russian operatives that were running the device were being tailed by Turkish MIT, unbeknownst to them. And they recorded the entire attack. And I'm told, I'm told the recording is pretty bad. Like the FBI agents, kids are there and they start freaking the fuck out on the beach. And so that happened, because it happened to

• 18:04Jack Murphy?

  our people and because I guess we were monitoring the situation, we got wind that MIT had this recording. And I've been told that the National Security Agency hacked into MIT and stole the video. And that we now have it.

• 18:20Speaker 04

  Don't worry about giving it to us. We have it.

• 18:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, don't worry about like, intelligence cooperation.

• 18:26Jack Murphy?

  And I mean, the Russians hire like Chechens and mafia dudes and all kinds of people to like whack dudes in Istanbul. But yeah, I mean, moving the negotiations from Qatar to Istanbul, I don't see any like big difference there either. If somebody's going to try to pull something, they're going to try to do it anyway. You know, Turkey being a NATO country, that plays into the stuff with Russia, but I don't think it's going to play significantly into the Palestine Israeli conflict.

• 19:03Speaker 03

  All right. So the other thing I wanted to talk about is a Trump national security nominees.

• 19:10Jack Murphy?

  Oh, boy.

• 19:11Speaker 03

  And how I know, I know, I get it. It's a little sketch. It's a little, uh, third raily. But I mean, just national security, because we talk about national security and geopolitics here. And that's obviously going to affect it.

• 19:27Speaker 03

  You know, Pete Heckspith for the Secretary of Defense, Gabbert, Tulsi Gabbard is the Director of National Intelligence. And I mean, Gates, Lester, so like, I guess, as the AG. But I mean, he does have oversight on the FBI and stuff like that. So what do you guys think? Do they get to confirm too? Because there's a lot of chirping going on in terms of like, especially Gates. Because, you know, there was a House Ethics Committee, House Ethics Report coming out about him sleeping on their age girls.

• 20:00Jack Murphy?

  So I have seen him on Armed Service Committee hearings where, I mean, it'll be, and when you watch them streamed, it's sort of like a Zoom call like this. And, you know, you have these series of politicians and they'll talk about the military veterans issues, you know, things like this. And then you get to that dude and he's just looking at the camera ranting like he's doing one of those like Facebook from the front seat of your pickup truck kind of videos, just like screaming into the camera.

• 20:30Jack Murphy?

  That guy, that, yeah, that dude should be maybe running a car wash in New Jersey or something like that. People like that don't have any business being around politics.

• 20:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. For me, the big thing, um, the broad thing is the story that the incoming administration is looking to have some or all of their nominees be exempt from background checks, security.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  The FBI, yeah, supposedly they said that they're doing it through, uh, private firms.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  Yeah. Um, the, uh, and since Father Andy is not here, we can curse. The bullshit with that is, um, If you hire the people who are doing your background checks, they have a greater incentive to not find anything or to find favorably in, you know, for you. So I, I don't know the legality of it. I have no idea. I do know that some agencies use contractors to do their background checks, but um, just exempting them altogether is absolute and utter bullshit. And of course, you see the, the prerequisite sword fighting amongst the right and the left. I'm talking

• 21:43Speaker 04

  people like on Twitter or, you know, other social media about the picks, but uh, everyone should agree that it's in our national interest, our national security interest to make sure that they are fully vetted and anything that comes up, their process stops until it's either cleared up or they're told it's a no-go.

• 22:03Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it's always interesting how this like vetting thing, like the, you know, vetting is either a good thing or a bad thing depending on whether or not you like the guy. You know, if, if it's somebody you really have a hard on for, then the vetting is a bad thing. You shouldn't vet the guy. But I mean, that same person, if it's like some lefty, you know, some Antifa guy that's going to be uh, brought into the government and given a national security position. Of course, the right's gonna be like, he's unvetted, he needs to be vetted. He needs, you need to go into his whole background. And yes, you do. You do need to go into his whole background, you know, and, and people, you know, like the example I'm giving, some Antifa guy should not be in government. Like, I don't have any problem saying that.

• 22:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, I mean, and then putting people in positions like the Gates thing, um, position, putting the, the fox in charge of the hen house, you know, when you're being um, investigated, that was just, to me, it just seems like a big F you. It's just like an F you kind of thing, along with a, uh, you know, who's been good to me. I'll give you a spot, you know, and I, I know we're trying not to, you know, lean into the political side of it here, but when it comes to national security, this shit is important. You know, and it will bite us in the ass later on if they don't vet these people correctly. Cause I've seen it. I've seen it in, you know, at my time at the agency.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  Um, even while you're in the Marine Corps, you see people all the time. Um, I don't know how often it happens now, and this is not me speaking ill of the Marine Corps. But when I first in nineteen ninety nine, when I got to Japan.

• 23:42Speaker 04

  We had a Marine who was supposed to be, or I think he had just left Japan. Got back to his unit in California and someone in the comments can, I'm sure can correct me on this. And apparently he was in a gang. He had been groomed to join the Marine Corps. So you get the training and all. And he ended up, there were two incidents, actually. This guy ended up killing his CO and wounding.

• 24:05Speaker 03

  Oh shit.

• 24:06Speaker 04

  The ops officer, he shot him right in the office. I think he was going to mass or something, you know, um, uh, NJP or whatever. And then another guy, there's a video of it. If we can find it, I'll try to post it. Uh, this guy took his training and I think he was army and um. Basically called the police, said, hey, this is where I am. I have a gun. They show up, he just freaking unleashes on them and um. I think he killed one or two of the cops before they ended up killing him. So if you don't vet these people correctly, um. I'm not going to say that that's what's going to happen, but it has national security implications.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I mean, like. Even for Secretary Defense, like the guy Hacksbit, like he, he was in the National Guard and stuff like that for twenty plus years.

• 24:55Speaker 03

  I, I, I get it and I respect that, but like, does that, and you're a weekend host of Fox and Friends, like, does that qualify you to run? A department that has what? Like multiple millions of people that are working for it and like a budget that is astronomical, that is trillions, a trillion dollars?

• 25:13Speaker 04

  I'm not an expert. I'm gonna say no.

• 25:16Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I I've I've met Pete before um on on the set of the Fox Morning Show, actually. And he cornered me and for like 10 minutes tried to tell me about how great a guy Eddie Gallagher is and that he did nothing wrong. And this this was during the when the court martial was still going on. And I was like, well, he's he's innocent until proven guilty. You're right, Pete, but you know, there's um some sketchy stuff going on here, too, you know. Oh, along the the the court martial and the way he was prosecuted was sketchy, too. Don't get me wrong. There were some things that should not have happened there.

• 25:50Jack Murphy?

  But yeah, I I think that maybe Pete really wants to be well liked by the veteran community, maybe a little bit too much. And Trump has a little bit of that in him, too, doesn't he? That he wants to exempt people from certain things, that he wants to pardon people, that he wants to shut down court marshals of people. And and maybe he thinks like that's a pro military or pro veteran thing, but I don't necessarily see it that way. There has to be some accountability, right?

• 26:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I I I don't know him personally, but I mean, his his background and his record are impressive. But I don't believe that that it's impressive enough for him to be running the entire military, especially when it seems that he has come in with an agenda anyway about the whole all anti woke thing and um you know, and all that other stuff when it when it seems like that's going to be his focus. And also, too, I'm kind of leery of anyone who and I just I heard it twice on a two different podcasts yesterday. Someone said that they were a recovering two people said that they were recovering neo cons.

• 27:04Speaker 04

  And, you know, they they bought into the whole, you know, 20 years of war, I guess by, you know, year 15 of it. In Afghanistan, they're like, what the hell are we doing here, which I understand completely and agree with. But now all of a sudden, it's, you know.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  Whatever one side does, the other side has to do the opposite. Even if they do agree that we should be somewhere. It's like, well, I'm not gonna say it because I'm not gonna agree with that side. And it's like five year olds playing on a, on a swing set. It's just ridiculous.

• 27:37Jack Murphy?

  Well, you know what that, that it's called, Jason? That's an oligarchy. That is when you have one side that when you try to convince, you know, them of something that the other side doesn't believe in. They are automatically decon, you know, if one side is convinced, the other is automatically deconvinced and vice versa. Uh, that's the problem and, and nothing gets done in a, in a system like that.

• 27:59Speaker 04

  Absolutely. Absolutely.

• 28:01Speaker 03

  Uh, the last one is Tulsi Gabbard for Director of National Intelligence.

• 28:07Speaker 03

  Obviously Gabbard was a former Democratic Congress, uh, person, I think for three terms. Ran for president Democratic Party, then, you know, made the switcheroo to Trump's side. And has recently, I think, just, um, registered as a Republican. Uh, thoughts and comments about Tulsi?

• 28:28Jack Murphy?

  I mean, I, I think Tulsi would be a clear and present danger to the United States as the Director of National Intelligence. Her politics are obscurest and bizarre at times. She speaks in glittering generalities about peace, which are just not congruent with international relations or America's place in the world. I just think she's out in la la land and, and definitely not qualified for the position.

• 28:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I agree. Normally with anyone else, I would say, uh, like in a DNI position, DCIA, uh, position, things like that. A lot of times, and it's done by design, you want someone who does not necessarily have an intelligence background, you know? Uh, George H W, uh, was, um, DCIA and, and I think that's to keep that buffer. You know, you, you don't want, um, people running along party lines, uh, full tilt, um, when they come in. But I think I agree with Jack that her, her history is just too sketchy. Her history with China, with Russia, with, you know, um,

• 29:37Speaker 04

  Again, these things have national security implications. People can say all they want, whoever supports her that, you know, she's got an exemplary record military and also that's great. That's all well and good. But if there's even a question and anyone on the lowest level like I was of intelligence or, or federal service knows if there's even a slight question in your background, even if it's, you know, innocent until proven guilty, that halts everything and is enough to say no. Like if it's inconclusive on a poly, that's enough for the adjudicator to say, sorry, but no. So especially in these high level positions, it should be enough to say no.

• 30:15Jack Murphy?

  It's fascinating to me to see how much like culturally we have changed over the last like, maybe just the last 10 years, but certainly over the last 20 years. Um, and I'm sure you remember Jason, you know, there were like serious concerns about Bill Clinton running for president because he was a draft dodger.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:34Jack Murphy?

  He didn't serve in Vietnam. You know, he's a draft dodger. You can't have a president that dodges the draft. And now we've come to this point where not only is it okay for you to have dodged the draft, but I mean, you can have like a human trafficking investigation on you and all this, all these like weird associations with Russia and Syria and China. And it's like, it's okay. It's all right.

• 30:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, because we've become so entrenched in, identity politics, it becomes who we are that we are willingly, we are willingly ignorant and able to say, hit me in the face with the facts. I'm just gonna wipe them off, ignore them and you know, still support whoever it is.

• 31:16Jack Murphy?

  Yeah. And I think sometimes people don't, it's, it's a more nuanced conversation. Like you can be anti-war. Um, and I know anti-war people on the left and the right were kind of like, we're kind of done with this, right? Maybe for different ideological reasons, but whatever the case, they're like, you know, that sort of like bring the troops home kind of mentality. Um, and I mean, I think it's perfectly good and okay and healthy to question America's role in the world and what we're doing like, some of the things we do definitely need a sanity check. Like,

• 31:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 31:48Jack Murphy?

  what are we doing here? You know?

• 31:49Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 31:50Jack Murphy?

  Um, but this crew, I mean, installing a freak show into the national security council is not gonna help that effort. It's gonna make things substantially worse.

• 32:02Speaker 04

  Yeah. Absolutely, I agree. And that goes for the left too, when, you know, when with Biden in office now, with the whole inclusiveness and all of a sudden, which I'm, I'm all for, you know, and there, but there are limits to everything. I, I think if, if they had tried to do these things, let's, I'm speaking military specifically, if they had tried to do these things piecemeal and not, you know, shove it, you know, turn on the fire hose, it probably would have worked a little bit better with the integration. But now that's when you give rise to people like Pete Hegseth, who are saying, I am going full bore, the complete opposite way, you know, and then

• 32:44Speaker 04

  the, the issues that's, it's going to cause is going to degrade from our readiness, you know, and again, has national security in cases, because I think I said this to you, Dee, in the chat, that our enemies are just sitting back and let's just watching us do it to ourselves. And they're like, this is perfect. You know, they get to come in and stir the pot a little bit, but we're doing it to ourselves.

• 33:06Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, when it, it's, it's interesting, like whether you're forward or against it, like the, what is the, the main narrative becomes about like DEI? And I'm not even sure to this day what the hell DEI actually is, other than like a buzzword.

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• 34:21Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, but like, shouldn't our priority be like combat reform, intelligence reform? Like, I look at like, you know, the infantry, like, We should have the most, the lightest, most agile lethal infantry in the world. And I'm just putting the infantry up on a pedestal because that's, that's what I believe. But there are many, many things in the military that we can improve upon. You know, Mattis was on the right course with business reform at the Pentagon. That's a huge, huge thing that affects the military readiness, lethality. And it affects what's done with your taxpayer dollars. And it's shameful that we're focused in on like pretend shit, culture war stuff.

• 35:03Jack Murphy?

  As opposed to preparing to win the next big war, which we may very well be walking right into as of now.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  Agreed.

• 35:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, there's a, who's the DC, Rick Grenell? Or is it John Ratcliffe? I think it's John Ratcliffe for DCI. I mean, that.

• 35:26Speaker 03

  I mean, he seems like a, whatever, like, okay, pick like he'll be confirmed. There's no real like outstanding issues with him.

• 35:34Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, and then that's one, one other thing, like just before we move on that we should mention, like all of this is up in the air.

• 35:40Speaker 03

  Sure, they're nominees, yeah.

• 35:42Jack Murphy?

  And you know, my, my impression of President-elect Trump is that he likes to run the government like a game show. Like tune in next week, see who it's gonna be, what's gonna happen next, you know? That's kind of like the, the process, if you could call it that, that he goes through. So like, I'm not even ready to get too upset about any of these nominees.

• 36:04Speaker 03

  That's also a good point, yeah, Jack, because you see it reported and you kind of see it. Probably not so much reported in mainstream, like they probably use the word nominees, but like everywhere else, like on Twitter, it's like. He's the guy or she's the guy, you know what I mean? Like they're the, in the position, no question about it. I know Gates is getting a lot of pushback from Senate.

• 36:26Speaker 03

  Hexbeth to a bit, I mean, there was talk a little bit about recess appointments. I think they kind of killed that. Like Mitch McConnell and Thune like kind of killed that, who's coming in, going to be the majority leader in the Senate.

• 36:41Speaker 03

  So I don't know if that's gonna really happen. I mean, those confirmation hearings will be spicy, I'm sure.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  Yeah. Yeah, we'll definitely be talking about those.

• 36:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, especially for Gabbert. I mean, even Hexbeth, man, like, I'm sure he's fine. Sure, he's good on TV and he was a good soldier or whatever, but bro, running the second, I mean, maybe do some time as like a deputy or an assistant. You know what I mean? Like, have some like, kind of.

• 37:06Jack Murphy?

  You know, under secretary of this or that, you know, work your way up to it a little bit there, man.

• 37:11Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:11Jack Murphy?

  From being a Fox News bro to, you know, being the secretary of defense is a pretty big jump.

• 37:16Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I could see like where like JFK, uh, who was it when they had like McNamara, like having an executive from, from business come in because it's a massive essentially department that's a trillion dollars. And there's a lot to manage. Um, I could see that making more sense rather than like, yeah, a, a Fox News weekend host. I mean, it

• 37:42Speaker 03

  even if it was a CNN weekend host, like if you got me Chris Cuomo or whatever the fuck, like pick your poison on the, on their left, you know?

• 37:50Speaker 03

  It's just, it's kind of mind boggling to me because I'm going to put my name in, I'm going to put my name in for some kind of position if he's getting.

• 37:59Speaker 04

  Hell, yes.

• 38:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. So it's going to be spicy. Um, that's pretty much all I have, guys. Jack, tell me about your book again. I want to know.

• 38:09Jack Murphy?

  The book is we defy the lost chapters of special forces history. So it's five chapters of special forces history. You guessed it. Uh, things that really haven't been written about before. A lot of primary research. Um, probably close to a hundred interviews. Um, and the book covers detachment A, the guys who are undercover in Berlin. Detachment K, our liaison, uh, guys in South Korea. Um, blue light, uh, the first military counter, counterterrorism team. Green light, which was the nuclear sabotage teams, and then the commanders in extremist force, which were the SF direct action teams.

• 38:51Jack Murphy?

  Um, that, I mean, they were active all over the world. Um, so those five, five chapters in the book. Um, I'm really excited to get it out there. It's kind of the culmination of about 10 years of work on and off. Um, so it'd be good to get it out there into the world.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  Awesome.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, you could preorder it now on Kindle or you could on December 9th, you can order a paperback on Amazon. The link will be in the description. You guys have anything else you want to talk about, anything chapping your crawl, whatever? Hit me.

• 39:18Speaker 04

  No, I know we were talking about those drones. Yesterday, I'm sure some people have seen the Twitter or X videos of these large drones. We don't know whether they're military commercial or what, but they're flying around last night for a couple hours over New Jersey, Northern New Jersey. When I was at work and we got about 10 calls in a row about it, they were described as too big to be commercial and they seemed to be military for those who observed it. I did not, but they sort they flew in perfect formation, apparently for a couple hours.

• 39:58Speaker 04

  So they flew over some military sites. I won't name the ones that they were over, but FAA had no idea about them. And it's still being investigated. So whichever one of you 13 year olds out there screwing around, we're going to find you.

• 40:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 40:16Speaker 03

  Let me ask you, Jay, like that's all it is. Yeah. There are there any kind of like,

• 40:22Speaker 03

  you know, moves that you can make while it's happening to go and find these people like see who's operating these drones like are there any kind of?

• 40:32Speaker 04

  So usually.

• 40:33Speaker 03

  Without getting into shit like obviously.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, with us, it's tough to find a drone. I'm sure that there's a way they can triangulate some sort of signal or something like that. That's not something that I do, but usually for us, it's like

• 40:49Speaker 04

  laser strikes on aircraft. That's one thing that happens very commonly. I don't know why we get the call for that, but we get the call and then we will the usually the pilot or air crew will tell us, hey, it happened generally over this area. And then we will send some folks, I won't say that we're we're are out there in that general area to find them. Let's say if it happens 10 times, like once we will be able to find who it is. Because they're stupid enough to still be in that area. And usually it's a kid screwing around, you know, um, shooting laser. Oh, there's an airplane. And then they hit the, um, you know, the pilot in the face or, you know, the side of the aircraft or whatever. So, um, as far as the drones are concerned, I would, didn't we have somebody, a drone expert on here?

• 41:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, we had Chad McCoy, former 24 SDS guy who operates a drone company now.

• 41:39Speaker 04

  I guess he would know best, you know, can you triangulate a signal, you know, um, so that's probably how it would happen. Uh, again, the problem is, I guess with the range of some of these things, and especially if it's a larger one, um, that person could be miles and miles from where it's spotted. So, you know, who knows?

• 41:59Jack Murphy?

  You gotta wonder if, uh, I mean, it's almost like we're losing control of our airspace.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 42:05Jack Murphy?

  Or like we move into a time where, uh, drone operators are gonna have to get a license, like, you know, you, you do have, you have to have to drive a car. Um, you have to have a driver's license, you have to register your car, you have to have insurance on it, all that stuff. Um, I'm actually surprised that hasn't been instituted already.

• 42:22Speaker 04

  I know in Jersey, it ha- uh, it has. I think it depends on the size of it and how, what you're using it for. Um, and then there's, cause I heard some of the guys at work talking about it because they get training in it. And they were talking about the course that they have to go through to get certified. Like you can only fly to a certain height and all kinds of stuff. There's all kinds of restrictions, but with these last night, um, we called the FAA and they had no idea that these things were out there. So if they're as big as they're supposedly are, and they didn't know, that's pretty damn dangerous.

• 42:55Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, it is.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  I do remember like when drones really started getting popular, like it was kind of like free reign, especially in New York. I could fly drones like whenever, wherever. They kind of cracked down on it. But again, like, yeah, how, if you are flying a drone, how they really gonna get you? Like,

• 43:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:11Speaker 03

  Unless they see you actually, a cop or somebody sees you operating it, um.

• 43:17Speaker 04

  Well, I was down in a Pensacola a couple of months ago, back in July for a Blue Angels airshow and afterwards I saw a video of some guy flew a drone right up to their level. And you can see the Blue Angels like goes zipping by right underneath this drone.

• 43:36Jack Murphy?

  Oh, boy.

• 43:37Speaker 04

  And so they were able to find the guy. I don't know how, but they found the guy and but he the most he got was a slap on the wrist. Like, don't do that shit again. That was it. Although he could have caught mid cause a major disaster.

• 43:50Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 43:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 43:54Speaker 03

  I mean, so I got something on Twitter because I'm looking on Twitter. IAEA report during IAEA chief Grossi's visit to Tehran. The possibility of Iran not further expanding its stockpile of uranium enriched to up to 60% was discussed.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  And I IAEA verified on November 16th that Iran has started preparation measures aimed to at stopping increase of its stocks of uranium enriched up to 60%.

• 44:26Jack Murphy?

  Yeah, I mean, we've been playing this game for a long time. Like, how long have we heard about the Iranian bomb?

• 44:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:32Jack Murphy?

  Um, and it seems pretty clear that Iran is pursuing a similar policy as like Japan, for instance, that we're going to have the capacity to build a bomb, but we're not going to build it.

• 44:44Speaker 03

  Right.

• 44:44Jack Murphy?

  It like they're not going to cross that line. They're going to make you make everyone know, like, we can build one if we want to build one.

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:51Jack Murphy?

  But we're choosing not to right now because you're not fucking with us.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  Right.

• 44:55Jack Murphy?

  Or you're not fucking with us enough. Um, and and that seems to be the line that they want to straddle. Um, and that's how long has that been going on? Like 20, 25 years?

• 45:05Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 45:09Speaker 03

  That's all. There's also a kind of like you can kind of parallel this to Ukraine too. Like if Ukraine loses a bunch of like support and stuff like that, what? I know it would take time for them to build up bombs again, but I mean, they do have that capacity. Eventually, I mean, I'm sure it would take years to get it up and cooking where you have like nuclear warheads ready to rock. But if I'm Zelensky or if I'm the Ukrainian government, I'm like, okay. If our support is about to run out or severely, you know, get cut in half essentially with US getting out. Why not build a bomb?

• 45:48Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Right?

• 45:50Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 45:52Speaker 03

  The world's fucked up, guys.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  It is.

• 45:54Speaker 03

  Check out Jack's, check out Jack's new book, We Defy This: Secret History of Special Forces. The link is in the description, out December 9th. You could preorder the Kindle now. The link will be in the description. Jason doesn't have any. Do we have anything else?

• 46:10Speaker 04

  That is not true. Under penalty, threat of maiming for my sister, I am now on a, what's that? Blue Sky?

• 46:18Speaker 03

  Blue Sky.

• 46:18Speaker 04

  It's called. Still don't know what the hell it is, but that's what I'm on.

• 46:22Jack Murphy?

  I saw you on there and I didn't know who it was and I was like, I had to look really hard.

• 46:26Speaker 04

  You saw the Afro.

• 46:27Jack Murphy?

  Disguise. Yeah.

• 46:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, the Afro and the sunglasses. Hell, yes. I'm in my Jive Turkey era. And also I'm on LinkedIn too. So.

• 46:36Speaker 03

  All right, cool. So I'll throw those links in the description in the show notes as well.

• 46:41Speaker 03

  Um, anything else, guys? Hit me with it.

• 46:44Speaker 04

  Shout out to India for successfully testing a hypersonic missile.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  Shout out India. Bravo. Jack, what are you working on on high side? What's going on?

• 46:55Jack Murphy?

  Havana syndrome. I'm working on Havana syndrome stuff still. Um, the, the draft of this article is like 25 pages. It's a monster.

• 47:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:05Jack Murphy?

  And I've tried to be pretty laser focused on it. Um, so it's a work in progress. I hope another month or two and I can finally finish this thing because I have other stuff to move on to as well. And Sean is still. Working through the Willie Murkerson series and I know he has one more, I think at least one more story about Sudan to write and then we'll probably be moving on to Willie's time in Angola. There's a covert action program there in the 1980s and I know there's some fun stories there because I've talked to Willie about it. So that's, that's what's coming.

• 47:40Speaker 03

  Cool, cool.

• 47:41Speaker 04

  Oh, I want to put out a call for, for, for support here from the audience. If anyone knows or has any contacts, Africa or Haiti Caribbean experts, please hit me up. I feel like these are two areas that have been woefully neglected. And you know, this shit's still going on over there and down there. So it's something I would like to talk about.

• 48:09Jack Murphy?

  What, what areas specifically are you interested in there, Jason?

• 48:12Speaker 04

  Um, so Haiti specifically in the Caribbean, but in Africa.

• 48:20Speaker 04

  I mean, there's just so many hot wars, you know, mini hot wars going on there. So if anybody has any kind of.

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• 50:03Speaker 04

  Context, you know, I feel like they've been neglected. People have their own reasons why they're being neglected, but they're going on and they're affecting real people and with China making huge inroads in Africa, I think it's something that needs to be talked about.

• 50:19Jack Murphy?

  Okay, I will keep my eyes and ears open for that. And if anyone comes across my desk.

• 50:26Speaker 04

  Awesome.

• 50:28Speaker 03

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• 50:34Speaker 03

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• 51:11Jack Murphy?

  YouTube is really not the future for Eyes On and the Team House. We've kind of drawn the conclusion and we'll talk about that more in the future. I mean, we're not going to like totally leave.

• 51:22Speaker 03

  Right.

• 51:23Jack Murphy?

  But we are going to reprioritize some things.

• 51:28Jack Murphy?

  Because I don't know what's going on with YouTube, but it's happening to a lot of channels that they're just getting deprioritized. I don't really know what the deal is.

• 51:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's a.

• 51:39Jack Murphy?

  But there are other things, you know, the, the podcast edition of the show is doing pretty good and growing. So yeah, it's a question of like, where are we going to focus? You know, we should focus where we're seeing success, right? Rather than where we're not.

• 51:52Speaker 03

  Totally. And like in the new year, check out, we're going to have a couple of changes to the channel. Nothing major. This is more team house and some cool perks for joining the Patreon. So patreon.com slash team house. Don't forget that. Guys, I appreciate it. Thank you very much. I hope I did a good job. I hope I did a good job posting.

• 52:13Speaker 04

  You're awesome.

• 52:14Jack Murphy?

  I'm scheduling guests for the team house for January and February right now. So it's going to be pretty cool. I'm excited.

• 52:23Speaker 03

  Yep. All right, guys. Thank you.

• 52:27Speaker 04

  Thanks, everybody.

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