Can Natasha Leggero And Moshe Kasher Save Dan's Marriage? (Reheat)

First up in this Reheat double-header: The comedian and podcast host Phoebe Robinson tells us how to navigate a big meal in tight jeans, who should pay on a first date, and what it’s like to go out to eat when you’re in an interracial relationship. Next: Husband-and-wife comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher often perform standup together. In their Netflix special they offer couples relationship advice, and the occasional roast.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Dan Pashman?

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• 0:44Dan Pashman?

  drink everywhere you go. I don't even know that much about wine, but I know that every glass of wine I had in Napa Valley was excellent. I mean, there's no bad glass of wine and no bad meal. Choose between hundreds of wineries, tasting rooms, and chef-led restaurants from a low-key lunch on a vineyard terrace to a full tasting menu paired by the winemaker. Plan your trip at visitnapavalley.com.

• 1:09Speaker 01

  Sirius XM Podcasts.

• 1:16Dan Pashman?

  Hey, everyone. It's Dan bringing you another Sporkful reheat. Actually, no, I'm bringing you two in one. This is two classic Sporkful episodes in one reheat. First up is my conversation over lunch with Phoebe Robinson. She is an incredibly funny comedian, a writer, an actor, and podcaster, and also, by the way, one of the best Instagram follows around. These days, Phoebe is on tour for her latest stand-up show. For dates and tickets, go to phoeberobinson.com. Then later in the show, we're going to revisit my conversation with husband-and-wife comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. You might know them from their Netflix special or long-running podcast, The Endless Honeymoon, where they dispense relationship advice. Today's reheat,

• 1:58Dan Pashman?

  they help me and my wife, Janie, as we try to resolve some of our marital conflicts involving hand soap and hosting dinner parties. Of course, as always, if there's an episode you want us to pull out of the Sporkful deep freezer, a classic from the archives, drop me a line. We take requests. Send me an email or voice memo to [email protected]. Tell me your first name, location, what episode you want to hear, and why. Thanks so much, and enjoy. This episode contains explicit language.

• 2:29Speaker 02

  I think we might do the Cubano.

• 2:32Dan Pashman?

  All right.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  There's a fruit relish, so there you go.

• 2:34Dan Pashman?

  That's healthy, yeah. It's basically a salad.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  It's, oh my god.

• 2:40Dan Pashman?

  This is comedian Phoebe Robinson. You know her from Two Dope Queens and her current podcast, So Many White Guys. That's "so" with three Os, by the way.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  What are you thinking, Dan?

• 2:51Dan Pashman?

  I'm torn.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  Are you thinking brekkie? I mean...

• 2:54Dan Pashman?

  I don't think so.

• 2:56Speaker 02

  Oh, wait, they have biscuits and gravy. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

• 3:01Dan Pashman?

  Should we get that?

• 3:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I gotta do that. You can't...

• 3:04Dan Pashman?

  Good, because I was tempted, and maybe I gotta try some of yours then.

• 3:07Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:08Dan Pashman?

  Why don't I get the Cubano?

• 3:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:09Dan Pashman?

  And you get that, and we can go halves.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  That's great.

• 3:12Dan Pashman?

  Okay.

• 3:12Speaker 02

  I'm so excited.

• 3:13Dan Pashman?

  All right.

• 3:18Dan Pashman?

  Today on The Sporkful, we're hanging out with Phoebe Robinson. She and I will trade strategies for eating big meals in tight jeans, and we'll talk about how to share food on a first date in a way that isn't creepy. Plus, Phoebe tells me why certain foods are off limits when she's eating with someone who isn't also black, as was the case with her ex-boyfriend.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  I never ate watermelon in front of him. Like, I'm like, I just can't.

• 3:40Dan Pashman?

  Even after three or four years?

• 3:42Speaker 02

  I'm like, I know we're together, but it just, I don't know, it's just like a weird... Society just makes me feel weird about stuff.

• 3:51Dan Pashman?

  Stick around.

• 3:56Dan Pashman?

  This is The Sporkful. It's not for foodies, it's for eaters. I'm Dan Pashman. Each week on our show, we obsess about food to learn more about people. As I said, Phoebe Robinson is a comic, but she's also a writer, actor, and podcast host. For several years, she co-hosted Two Dope Queens, along with her good friend and fellow comedian Jessica Williams. The show started as a podcast, now it's an HBO comedy special.

• 4:26Speaker 02

  The audience was right there with us, and it was just like Walt Wallace.

• 4:33Speaker 02

  Talking to these guests, it's a dream. I was surprised at how bougie Jon Stewart was with the pizza. Generally, pizzas are warm.

• 4:44Dan Pashman?

  In the last few years, Phoebe's career has just gotten bigger and bigger. She played Ciara in the film What Men Want earlier this spring. When Michelle Obama went on her book tour, Phoebe interviewed Michelle onstage at several events. And season four of Phoebe's podcast, So Many White Guys, just launched.

• 5:01Speaker 02

  Yes, babies. Phoebe Robinson here. I'm back with the brand new season of So Many White Guys at WNYC Studios. You know, the show where I do a bunch of horror-hitty interviews with incredible people who aren't just a bunch of white guys? Yeah, that one. I mean, you can call me the Christian Amapor of comedy, the Diane Sawyer of podcasts, the Connie Chung who didn't get married to Maury Povich. I mean, girl, what you doing?

• 5:28Speaker 02

  Anyway, I dig up stories.

• 5:30Dan Pashman?

  On the show, Phoebe interviews a wide range of smart, funny guests. Everyone from Terry Gross to Tyra Banks, but no straight white guys. Not until the last episode of the season, when she interviews just one token straight white guy. One season, it was Tom Hanks. Phoebe and I met up for a late lunch at the General Greene Restaurant in Brooklyn. She's been so busy with so many work projects. I asked her how that stress affects her eating.

• 5:56Speaker 02

  There was like a month where I was just ordering takeout every day to like my apartment. It was like from a burger joint, from like Italian place, like Thai food. And I was just eating, eating until I felt like, ugh, I couldn't move. It's not good.

• 6:12Dan Pashman?

  What are some of your go-tos when you're stressed out?

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh, I have a lot. Okay, so smart food, popcorn is like one of my go-tos. I'm like, it has the word smart in it, so it's like, nah. It's not horrible, but it's like definitely horrible.

• 6:27Dan Pashman?

  Like sun chips. They put the word sun in it. That sounds natural and healthy.

• 6:31Speaker 02

  No, it's awful. So like that. And I really like, I love like a nice penne vodka. You know what I mean? Just like sit at home with that, ugh.

• 6:42Dan Pashman?

  The sauce gets like all up in the holes of the pasta into the penne and it gets like all, you gotta mix it around and.

• 6:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, but then I'll do things where it's like. Sometimes I like stress eat hopefully, which I always think is like ridiculous. Like I'll be like, I'm just gonna eat really green today. So it was just like salad, salad, apples, smoothie. And it's just like, and I'm just like in the bathroom for like three hours. It's like you literally just ate a farm. What are you doing? So sometimes it will like my body would be like, all right, you gotta, you gotta release the stress some other way.

• 7:16Dan Pashman?

  Right.

• 7:17Speaker 02

  But yeah, those are like, anything that's carb heavy, I really carbs make me feel good, which I know is a horrible thing to say.

• 7:25Dan Pashman?

  No.

• 7:25Speaker 02

  I don't, I mean, I don't know.

• 7:26Dan Pashman?

  You're being a little hard on yourself.

• 7:28Speaker 02

  No, but you know.

• 7:28Dan Pashman?

  You're not talking about heroin here.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  I know, but I feel like like emotionally eating, which is what I do sometimes. It's like not the healthiest thing to do, but you're right. It could be drugs and it's not.

• 7:41Dan Pashman?

  Right. It's like, you know, all things in moderation, including moderation. You know, like most eating is emotional in one way or another. You know, like I was working from home all day yesterday. I couldn't wait to eat the next thing I was gonna eat. I was like, oh, man, I'm gonna go do work for a couple hours. I'm gonna eat something else after that. It's great. Like those are the highlights of the day.

• 8:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's true. I, it's hard for me to do like an appetizer and an entree.

• 8:07Dan Pashman?

  That's a lot.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  That's a lot. And I wear skinny jeans and skinny jeans like look great, but they don't really like allow you to eat. So I have to like not eat all day and then I can wear like cute clothes and then just be like a monster for dinner.

• 8:23Dan Pashman?

  And then do you ever end up having to like unbutton your pants?

• 8:26Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. The other Jess, Jess and I had dinner, we went to an Italian place. We got like pizzas and like whatever. And I think I had, I had a show and she was gonna go to a concert. And so we were waiting for our Ubers outside. I was like, all right, I gotta like button my pants back up. And she was like, what do you, what do you mean you have to button your pants back up? I was like, oh, well, if I'm gonna go to a hearty restaurant.

• 8:50Dan Pashman?

  Yeah.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  Sit down, like unbutton my pants, cover it with a napkin and I can eat.

• 8:55Dan Pashman?

  Such a good move.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's like, wait, is this a thing? And I was like.

• 8:58Dan Pashman?

  She didn't know about this?

• 8:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was like, this is a Phoebe thing. I'm sure.

• 9:01Dan Pashman?

  Right, yeah.

• 9:02Speaker 02

  She's never, she doesn't, she's like, this is bizarre. I'm like, well, how so you eat good food in public?

• 9:08Dan Pashman?

  In massive quantities, yeah.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:11Dan Pashman?

  I have like different settings on my belt.

• 9:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:14Dan Pashman?

  I have like the default, like, what, normal morning setting. And then there's like the, you know, big meal setting. And there's like Thanksgiving dinner setting, you know?

• 9:23Speaker 02

  That's the only way to live. But she was just like, this is insane behavior. And I'm like, I had the best meal, so.

• 9:29Dan Pashman?

  Well, I'm with you, Phoebe. I don't think that sounds insane at all.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 9:32Dan Pashman?

  This is a safe space for you.

• 9:33Speaker 02

  Oh, thank you so much.

• 9:37Dan Pashman?

  And she's always talked openly about dating and relationships in her comedy. This clip from Two Dope Queens comes from a period when she was single. Phoebe tells Jessica Williams about an experience she had on Tinder.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  And so it was a good conversation with the first guy. He's a, he's a chef. So we're talking, everything was like, fine, like, oh, like, when's your birthday? Like, what are you into? Really cool. And then he was like, I don't know, where he's like, what's your background? I was like, oh, okay, my background, like where I'm from? I'm from Cleveland, Ohio. And he's like, lol, no, what's your ethnicity?

• 10:13Speaker 02

  And I was like, black? Like, you saw my picture, right?

• 10:16Speaker 03

  You said, you said he was white, right?

• 10:18Speaker 02

  He's, he's white. And so I go black and he goes, Caribbean or American?

• 10:24Speaker 03

  Boo.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  And I was like, American, sup.

• 10:31Speaker 03

  That's very Trump rally of you, and I want you to kill it. Very Trump rally. Go on.

• 10:38Speaker 02

  And then he goes, lol, nothing, you're hot either way. And I was like.

• 10:44Speaker 03

  Sick.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Die in a fire, like, kill yourself.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, dead meat yourself, bro. You need to start saying just crazy shit.

• 10:54Speaker 03

  Like, you need to just be out, you should be like, I'm pure white, I have this condition.

• 11:02Dan Pashman?

  Oh, here we go.

• 11:03Speaker 02

  Ooh, ooh, look at those fries.

• 11:05Dan Pashman?

  Kubana, you can put that in front of me. We're going halves, though.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, this is great.

• 11:14Dan Pashman?

  Can I request, please, could we get two, um, small plates? And could we also get one extra biscuit, please?

• 11:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:20Dan Pashman?

  Yeah. Thank you.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  I'm so glad you said that, because I didn't want to be rude, but I was like, I'm not sharing this biscuit with you. It's definitely not happening.

• 11:31Dan Pashman?

  No, I was anticipating that, because also, yeah, biscuits.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 11:37Dan Pashman?

  Just feel free to stick your hands into my fries at any time.

• 11:39Speaker 02

  Okay, cool. How should we do this? Because this is, like, messy. Scoop it onto your plate?

• 11:45Dan Pashman?

  We should get, um, yeah, perfect. We should probably get a spoon, too, so I can spoon some gravy.

• 11:50Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. This is, this looks so good.

• 11:54Dan Pashman?

  Phoebe, I love that you and I are not shy about sharing our food together.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 11:59Dan Pashman?

  What are your feelings about sharing food on a first date? Like, sometimes there's going to be boundary issues with that.

• 12:05Speaker 02

  You just have to ask, and then it's fine. I'm like, so, I'm so down with sharing food.

• 12:10Dan Pashman?

  Do you have preferred methods of sharing? Because on a date, it can be a little bit like, you know, you ask for some. It's one thing if the person cuts off a piece and puts it on the side of your plate.

• 12:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:19Dan Pashman?

  Or they just say, here, stick your fork into mine, dig in. Or they could put the bite on their own fork and then hand you

• 12:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 12:26Dan Pashman?

  the fork, and then that's sort of like a little bit more intimate.

• 12:28Speaker 02

  Right. That's, that's, that's a lot.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  I like the, like, you just dig in, get a little bit.

• 12:36Dan Pashman?

  What about, what about if a guy handed you the fork?

• 12:40Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 12:40Dan Pashman?

  It's his fork.

• 12:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 12:41Dan Pashman?

  So let's say I take my fork, I stab a piece of food, and then I hand you my fork. So it's a fork that I've already used. There's a certain level of intimacy there.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  I'm okay with that.

• 12:49Dan Pashman?

  But you're still controlling it, you're not being fed.

• 12:51Speaker 02

  Right, like, but don't feed me, it's like, because I don't want, I don't know. That's too, it's too, like, out of a movie or something. It feels, I don't know, it just feels weird.

• 12:59Dan Pashman?

  Yeah, I think the only time feeding is acceptable is if, like, the, the bite has been composed on the fork so precariously that switching the handle could lose the bite off the fork. And if you're really in a, that's dangerous.

• 13:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:12Dan Pashman?

  That's dangerous territory.

• 13:14Speaker 02

  You don't want to waste food.

• 13:15Dan Pashman?

  Right.

• 13:15Speaker 02

  You don't want to drop it, ruin that perfect bite. Yeah, so I'm like, I'm slowly trying to get back out into the dating stuff. It's just hard, because I work a lot. I feel like things have changed, like, so much. And I'm a proud ass feminist, like, for sure, for sure. But I'm like, if a dude doesn't pay on the first date, I'm like, that is some bullshit. Are you kidding me?

• 13:42Dan Pashman?

  Right.

• 13:43Speaker 02

  You're not gonna pay.

• 13:44Dan Pashman?

  And what, what, they just like, how do they actually navigate that?

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Well, I've had someone be like they want, you know, some guys are like, well, you know, like, we'll just like go like Dutch. And I'm like, this is a fucking field trip to Six Flags. Like, I'm not going Dutch with you. Like, we're adults and I'm not like, you have to pay for everything. But like initially, I gotta like get the cute outfits and like put makeup on and like do all these things to look great. You can like pay. But also I, but I also do feel like some guys have probably been burned where like some girl who probably like wasn't interested in them anyway, go out to dinner, they get like an expensive thing off the menu.

• 14:29Dan Pashman?

  Right.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  And then you like never hear from them again. Like that is, you have to be reasonable. Like if you gonna, like I don't want a guy to spend like a hundred dollars on me on a date. Like that's absurd.

• 14:40Dan Pashman?

  And on a first date, you're expecting him to pay, would you be conscious of like how much the thing you order costs?

• 14:46Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, for sure. I'm, I'm conscious of that. And I also, I don't do the fake reaching for the, the wallet. I don't do it. I don't do it.

• 14:53Dan Pashman?

  You're not even playing.

• 14:54Speaker 02

  No, because I don't want to be like, because if you do it, they might be like, oh, okay, great. And then you're like pissed. So I'm like, I'm just, I just chill. I just like wait. Like, we're just gonna hang out, but I'm not.

• 15:05Dan Pashman?

  I'll sit here all night long. I'm not going anywhere.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  I know.

• 15:13Dan Pashman?

  Coming up, Phoebe and I talk more about dating and restaurants. Let's pick things up with another clip from her show with Jessica Williams, Two Dope Queens.

• 15:22Speaker 02

  I've been going on more auditions, which has been fun. But it's also been kind of weird because I'm getting sent on a lot of like, best black girlfriend parts.

• 15:34Speaker 03

  You mean by best black girl, it's like, mm, girl, get it together.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like...

• 15:39Speaker 03

  So what are your, so what are your parts like?

• 15:40Speaker 02

  So my character, I'm like the character who like just sits at home and waits for like my white best friend to come home and download about her life. And I'm just like watching like Moshe.

• 15:52Speaker 03

  Hold on, so let me, I'm gonna...

• 15:53Speaker 02

  That's crazy!

• 15:53Speaker 03

  Wait, I wanna do it, I wanna do it, I wanna do it, I wanna do it. So I'm gonna, you're, you're home already and I'm coming home because I had, I had the craziest date with like Patrick Wilson or some bullshit like that.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:06Speaker 03

  Oh my god!

• 16:07Speaker 02

  Hey, girl!

• 16:08Speaker 03

  Hey, Shaquoya, I had the craziest...

• 16:14Dan Pashman?

  That way Phoebe feels when she goes on auditions is kind of like the way she feels sometimes when she goes out to eat.

• 16:21Speaker 02

  And we walked in and I was the only person of color there who like wasn't waitstaff and I was like, and I go, this is why I don't eat in this area. Because this is like literally always like what happens and like, we were walking and like everyone was just like staring at me in a way where I was like, this is New York, like you haven't seen a black person eat fucking pasta before? So it's just like stuff like that where I think I'm much more conscious of like where is this restaurant located? If it's like in an area that's not like particularly open to people of color, then I like, won't eat there, which is like a bummer because I'm sure I'm missing out on some good food, but

• 17:04Speaker 02

  that's the thing that makes me, I don't want to be stared at. And like just watching just people of color just waiting on white people, but they can't necessarily afford to eat at the place. I'm just like, that, that makes me sad.

• 17:22Dan Pashman?

  So when you, I know you mentioned your ex was white. When you guys would go out together, were there ever times you would be at a restaurant where one of you would feel more comfortable than the other?

• 17:35Speaker 02

  Um, I think for both sides, yes.

• 17:37Dan Pashman?

  Can you give me an example of each?

• 17:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just think like we like weren't like a predominantly white neighborhood. They're always be like, what's this? What do they mean to each other that they're eating at this restaurant? Are they like coworkers? Are they like friends? Are they roommates? And so that would just be like, no, this is my boyfriend. Yes, we're on a date. People date and they don't have the same skin color. It's fine. But I think like, it was always worse like walking around. That's like when people will like heckle us or like say things and be like, like I had this one guy go, why aren't you dating an African prince? And I'm like, where is he? You know, but it's also like, why does it matter that I'm dating like a white dude?

• 18:24Speaker 02

  And vice versa? And so that was always kind of like frustrating like, cause we'll have like a good date and we'll like be walking home. And then like someone says that, you're like, can we just get like a night off where it's like fine? And like, no one is paying attention to us. We just gotta, and I just got a soldier on like, it's way better than it was in the sixties. So I don't wanna, you know, like we couldn't have been at the same restaurant in the sixties.

• 18:48Dan Pashman?

  Right, which I guess is like consolation, but also like a backhanded, they're like,

• 18:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:54Dan Pashman?

  backhanded compliment to the present.

• 18:55Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 18:56Dan Pashman?

  And what was the situation where your boyfriend was the one who felt less comfortable?

• 19:01Speaker 02

  I think just in general, it's just like, he didn't want to feel like, oh, people are thinking like, oh, who's this like white dude? And like, why is he coming up in here? I think he maybe might've felt more like the whole gentrification, like worry, like, I don't want people to think that like, I'm some rich kid who's like living off of mommy and daddy. And I'm gonna come in here and like change this whole scenario. It's like, he was like a teacher. He's not like, you know, we're like same equal in terms of income. So I think that was like his concerns, like he didn't wanna feel like people perceived him as a threat. So I think it was just kind of like, it's just, we were just always in our head, just being like, I hope everyone thinks everything is okay with us. Um, so I think that was more the thing that he felt.

• 19:45Dan Pashman?

  And I guess it's just like, and you talked about it sort of like, um, the sort of the exhausting feeling of like, what white people think?

• 19:53Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 19:54Dan Pashman?

  It's gotta be like, the whole like tipping.

• 19:56Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. I'm an amazing tipper.

• 20:00Dan Pashman?

  Because you wanna combat the stereotype.

• 20:02Speaker 02

  Mm hmm, I overtip all the time, yep.

• 20:05Dan Pashman?

  So when we leave this restaurant, should we leave a really big tip? Or should I pay and leave a really bad tip to try to do the opposite?

• 20:15Speaker 02

  No, we have to leave a really good tip.

• 20:17Dan Pashman?

  Okay, alright.

• 20:17Speaker 02

  Because they let us be here.

• 20:18Dan Pashman?

  That's true.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  You know, so we gotta like, help pay their rent.

• 20:22Dan Pashman?

  Alright, I'll tell them it was your idea.

• 20:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Please. Right, like Phoebe Robinson said I should tip this much. Everyone should start doing that. My black friend, Phoebe Robinson. They're like, "Oh, okay, cool."

• 20:34Dan Pashman?

  Please sign all checks that way, going forward.

• 20:39Speaker 02

  That'd be awesome.

• 20:54Dan Pashman?

  That's Phoebe Robinson. Coming up, I speak with husband and wife comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. We'll discuss their marriage and their podcast, then I'll bring in my wife, Janie, and turn to them for some relationship advice. Stick around.

• 21:12Speaker 02

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• 21:19Dan Pashman?

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• 22:01Dan Pashman?

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• 23:26Dan Pashman?

  Welcome back to A Sporkful Reheat. I'm Dan Pashman. Hey, if you're not already following The Sporkful in your podcasting app, what are you waiting for? In Apple Podcasts and Spotify, go to our show page and click Follow. In other apps, it might be like a plus sign or a subscribe button or a heart. Whatever it is in your podcasting app, please do that thing. It's the best way to ensure you'll never miss an episode and it's good for our show. So please, go ahead and do it right now while you're listening. Thank you. Now let's hear my conversation with comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. Yeah, so you guys may know this already, but this is a food podcast.

• 23:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:00Dan Pashman?

  But like, we also like to have fun and, you know, talk about, get to know people by talking about food. So it's not like, our motto is it's not for foodies, it's for eaters.

• 24:08Speaker 04

  Great.

• 24:09Dan Pashman?

  So no special food expertise is required.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  Well, we're, we're big eaters. We might even be, we might even be foodies.

• 24:15Dan Pashman?

  What makes you say that?

• 24:16Speaker 04

  Well, one of our main pastimes is exploring and finding, uh, great restaurants. So, I mean, what else is there?

• 24:25Dan Pashman?

  Right. That does sound like foodie talk, Moshe.

• 24:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. I mean, how else could you qualify? I don't know.

• 24:32Speaker 04

  Wait, can I ask you, have we begun?

• 24:35Dan Pashman?

  Yeah.

• 24:35Speaker 04

  Oh, we're do- oh, okay. Hey, Natasha, turn it up.

• 24:38Speaker 05

  Well, I was saving a story about why we're foodies for when we do the podcast.

• 24:42Speaker 04

  Listen, we were not even, just if you're listening right now, what you've heard the last 45 to 90 seconds is us when we're off. So buckle up, because things are about to change.

• 24:53Dan Pashman?

  Now, what was your question?

• 24:58Dan Pashman?

  This is The Sporkful. It's not for foodies, it's for eaters. I'm Dan Pashman. Each week on our show, we obsess about food to learn more about people. Today on the show, my guests are husband and wife comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. They often perform stand-up together, as they did on Netflix in what they called their honeymoon special. In one bit, they talk about Natasha's conversion to Judaism before their marriage.

• 25:23Speaker 05

  I was raised Catholic, and it's much easier to become Christian.

• 25:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a really complicated thing to become Jewish, but Christianity-

• 25:30Speaker 05

  Christianity, you just have to like walk to a mall and walk by a lady's footlocker, and they hand you a Bible, and then you're Christian. Like, that's all that's involved.

• 25:39Speaker 04

  Jews are like, there's a lot involved.

• 25:41Speaker 05

  Why do Jews make it so hard to convert?

• 25:44Speaker 04

  I don't know, we don't want you.

• 25:46Speaker 05

  But you would think they would want more members since that membership drop-off that happened a while ago. I am Jewish, I can say that.

• 25:56Dan Pashman?

  Later in that honeymoon special, they call couples up to both roast them and offer relationship advice. Now Natasha and Moshe are offering similar types of advice in their new podcast, The Endless Honeymoon. They do also perform and work separately. Natasha is well-known as a creator and star of the Comedy Central show Another Period. And Moshe wrote a funny, powerful memoir called Kasher in the Rye, a play on his last name. The subtitle is The True Tale of a White Boy from Oakland Who Became a Drug Addict, Criminal, Mental Patient, and Then Turned 16.

• 26:30Dan Pashman?

  As I said, Natasha and Moshe have their own podcast, which was quickly evident when we spoke recently, because they started off asking me questions.

• 26:38Speaker 04

  What do you think is the most delicious fast food item?

• 26:41Dan Pashman?

  Item? Like, like, like, not from, like, from a specific place?

• 26:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not asking for the greatest fast food place, but I'm talking the greatest dish available at fast food.

• 26:52Speaker 05

  I know what mine is.

• 26:53Dan Pashman?

  What are you talking, old, old school greasy fast food? Or like, any, I would probably go the burger at Shake Shack.

• 27:00Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 27:01Dan Pashman?

  Shake Shack Burger.

• 27:02Speaker 04

  That's a pretty good New York centric answer.

• 27:04Dan Pashman?

  Yeah, if you, if you want me to go like, like, old school, fast food, I would say the Burger King Chicken Sandwich.

• 27:10Speaker 04

  Oh, okay, okay.

• 27:11Speaker 05

  Have you had the In-N-Out Burger?

• 27:14Dan Pashman?

  I have. I've, I've spent my time in California. I think In-N-Out is good.

• 27:18Speaker 04

  You're, you're being condescending. I can feel it. I can feel it in your tone.

• 27:22Speaker 05

  But Shake Shack, Shake Shack, to me, the bun is better, but it's a little, the patty's a little salty.

• 27:27Dan Pashman?

  What about you guys? I want each of you to tell me your favorite fast food dish.

• 27:30Speaker 04

  Okay, mine is gonna be a little, little controversial, but I would say that the chicken, that whatever the chicken in the chicken soft taco at Taco Bell is, whatever that slew of redness is, is honestly one of the most delicious things, not only that I've tasted at a fast food restaurant, but that I've ever tasted.

• 27:49Speaker 05

  Moshe.

• 27:49Speaker 04

  It's so good. It's so good. Listen, the engineer here at the studio is nodding demonstratively yes. Okay, just so you guys know.

• 27:58Dan Pashman?

  Then it must be true.

• 27:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's gotta be true.

• 28:01Speaker 05

  Mine is a cheeseburger, In-N-Out, Shake Shack, close second, and then any other fast food I will not eat. Except I do remember thinking a Chicken McNugget was good.

• 28:12Speaker 04

  Those are pretty rough.

• 28:13Speaker 05

  Rough?

• 28:13Speaker 04

  I don't know. They just don't feel like.

• 28:15Speaker 05

  Sometimes they're like different colors, like.

• 28:17Speaker 04

  I know. I, did you know this? That, and I don't know if you had an agenda for this interview, but it looks like that's over with.

• 28:29Dan Pashman?

  Eventually, the conversation did settle into some semblance of order. I started off by asking Natasha about the foods she ate growing up.

• 28:38Speaker 05

  I'm from Rockford, Illinois, and I didn't really even have sushi until I was like 23.

• 28:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, the fancy restaurant that Natasha used to eat at was the local Beefaro.

• 28:49Speaker 05

  Beefaro is like, Moshe thinks it's so funny because of the name, but it's a Rockford staple. And it's like a, it's like where you get like roast beef sandwiches to go. Like, it's like a drive-in.

• 29:00Dan Pashman?

  Okay, gotcha.

• 29:01Speaker 05

  But there's a lot of like, um, online, there's a lot of reviews of Beefaro. People giving reviews in their car.

• 29:07Speaker 04

  Just a guy in his car.

• 29:08Speaker 05

  In Rockford.

• 29:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, making deep eye contact with a camera going Burger King? Nope. Beefaro. Wendy's? Nope. Beefaro. And it was a very compelling argument, honestly. It made me want to go.

• 29:21Speaker 05

  You would not like it.

• 29:23Dan Pashman?

  And am I right, Natasha? Like, your parents split up when you were pretty young, so you, it was you and your mom was working, so it was like you were, you were kind of the mom figure to your younger brothers.

• 29:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, yeah, yeah. My, I mean, I, my mom was very present, but also, yes, I was kind of in charge of the cooking. And I would help, I would iron and I would pack their lunches. And we all went to Catholic school, so they all had like, I had to iron their uniforms.

• 29:45Speaker 04

  Oh, this is so cute.

• 29:47Speaker 05

  I cleaned, I babysat. I always had a job. I, I worked at a grocery store. I had two paper routes.

• 29:54Speaker 04

  The good news is, um, things really changed one night when there was a big ball that was being held in the center of town. And her stepsisters got invited, but she didn't, but she snuck off.

• 30:04Speaker 05

  I was kind of in charge of making dinner every night. So what I would make is this little thing called Lipton Rice and Soup Mix. And it's like a packet, or it's like Lipton Rice dishes.

• 30:14Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. When Natasha and I first started dating, she straight up bragged unironically. She's like, no one can open an envelope of food and make a dish with it better than I can.

• 30:23Speaker 05

  No, I'm good at microwaving. I know the right dishes that can be microwaved. I'm pretty much an expert in all things. Like, I know how much water to measure. I know like, You know, I know, you know, you don't want it too watery. So I would make like one of these Lipton rice dishes for my brothers every night. And then we would go out to eat. There was one restaurant called Lino's, an Italian restaurant we would go to. And then there was one Chinese restaurant called The Great Wall.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Oh, and didn't your grandma?

• 30:45Speaker 05

  No Thai, no sushi. Oh, my, my grandma made the salads at one of the Italian restaurants in town.

• 30:51Speaker 04

  Well, tell them about it. It's an interesting story.

• 30:52Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. So my dad would, my dad told me that she was older, or no, she didn't have a sense of smell. Oh, no, she didn't have a sense of taste. So she had to, she would make the salad and then have to smell it to see if it was right.

• 31:05Speaker 04

  Is that how the story goes?

• 31:07Speaker 05

  That's what he said, because he said she was Lipton.

• 31:09Dan Pashman?

  What's your recollection of the story, Moshe?

• 31:10Speaker 04

  I don't know. I remember hearing it and being intrigued, but when Natasha just told it, it felt like a lie. Did it not feel like that to you?

• 31:16Speaker 05

  No, I remember my dad, because my dad made us the same salad when he came to visit and he told us the story. And then said how she would sniff to see if there was enough oil, vinegar, onion, et cetera. And it's the old style Italian salad, which has like hard boiled egg, chunks of meat, cheese, olive oil, pepper, pepperchines, balsamic, that kind of thing.

• 31:36Speaker 04

  Her dad came up to me the other day. He's like a, you know, classic Italian guy, pinky ring and all that. And he's like, you know, probably has had limited interaction with the Jews, although he does live in Florida now, so maybe there's been some more. And he goes, he's like, now, Moshe, do you like garlic? I was like, yeah, I like garlic. He's like, how about a linguine? Do you like, you know what linguine is? I'm like, yeah, John, I know what linguine is. He's like, now, do you like, I mean, it was like, it was like basically a guy going, do you like stuff that's good? Do you like good stuff at all? Yeah, I do.

• 32:08Dan Pashman?

  So that's a bit of Natasha's backstory. Today, she's moved beyond food in packets. She's into sushi, for example. But Moshe is the one who's really into food, and he's always been that way.

• 32:20Speaker 05

  When he was a little boy in San Francisco, Oakland, for his birthday every year.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  Oh, keep in mind, by the way, that I was raised with a deaf mother, a deaf, single mother who was on welfare. So we were very poor, as she tells you this tale.

• 32:34Speaker 05

  But also, all Moshe wanted for his birthday, since he was a little kid, is to go to a fancy restaurant. So his mom would take him on his birthday every year.

• 32:41Speaker 04

  Yeah, she would say like-

• 32:42Speaker 05

  To a place they couldn't afford.

• 32:43Speaker 04

  Once a year, we would go to like a kind of a high end restaurant and we would have like a special meal on my birthday. So I've been, I've been, you know, obnoxiously and pretentiously sucking juices off of my fingertips since I was a very little boy on welfare in Oakland.

• 32:59Speaker 05

  Since we're roasting people right now, Moshe, why don't you explain your, um, your diet? What foods you can't eat?

• 33:05Speaker 04

  I don't want to get into that. I got a very-

• 33:07Speaker 05

  It's a food podcast.

• 33:08Speaker 04

  Here's the deal. I don't eat pork or shellfish ever because, you know-

• 33:12Dan Pashman?

  That's a Jew thing. Got it.

• 33:13Speaker 04

  That's a Jew thing and I just, you know, saying-

• 33:14Speaker 05

  You'll eat regular chicken.

• 33:16Speaker 04

  I'll eat regular chicken.

• 33:17Speaker 05

  But only kosher beef.

• 33:18Speaker 04

  Only kosher beef and lamb and stuff.

• 33:19Speaker 05

  And then you won't eat fish that have fins in a certain way.

• 33:22Speaker 04

  I, I don't eat, well, I'll try to avoid all the, um, non-kosher fishes, although I can't really keep track of what they are.

• 33:28Speaker 05

  Like, isn't swordfish not kosher?

• 33:30Dan Pashman?

  Swordfish, I think, is one of those borderline ones.

• 33:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's exactly right. In fact, I think the conservative Jews eat swordfish, but the Orthodox don't.

• 33:37Dan Pashman?

  Yeah, like, it depends on what, which rabbi you, you, is cooking for you.

• 33:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. If it's a Charlie tuna, he's all for it.

• 33:45Speaker 04

  And then I try to avoid dairy products becau- just because-

• 33:49Speaker 05

  Except for dessert.

• 33:50Speaker 04

  Except for dessert, but I also really like cheese and it's very complicated, but I don't like raw tomatoes and that has nothing to do with ideology or my body. It's just the way that I am.

• 34:00Dan Pashman?

  Do your quasi-kosher habits actually have anything to do with religious belief or is it more like cultural? Like, this is how you were raised and at a certain point, it's just too weird?

• 34:08Speaker 04

  Well, I, the answer is kind of yes to both. Basically, the reason I started making dietary changes with pork and shellfish and kosher stuff is not necessarily because I believe it has any intrinsic value, but because I wanted to infuse my eating, especially my consumption of meat, with slightly more mindfulness. And I thought, you know, here I am, a Jew, I might as well take this system of mindfulness to reduce my meat consumption. Since I want to do that anyway, why not infuse, you know, spirituality of some sort even into my eating choices?

• 34:44Dan Pashman?

  Moshe, why did you want to go to fancy restaurants when you were a kid?

• 34:48Speaker 04

  I don't know why. I, I, I guess I had like a strangely developed palate when I was a kid. There was always something that was really exciting about going to a restaurant, especially I think because we were so poor and so primarily we were, it wasn't really sustenance eating, but it was definitely like, you know, co-op- In bulk, bags of beans and things like that. So that when I got an opportunity to experience food, not necessarily as just a staff of life thing, but as an experiential thing, it was like super exciting to me and always was. I don't know where I got that from, honestly, because I'm kind of the only person in my family who's like, could be classified as like a foodie.

• 35:28Dan Pashman?

  Right.

• 35:30Dan Pashman?

  There was a story that, that I read that one of you told about a time kind of earlier in your relationship when you guys stayed at a hotel in New Orleans.

• 35:38Speaker 05

  Well, Moshe and I, we, like, when we first started dating, we started realizing, like, okay, how are we gonna, because like, I like to stay at nice hotels and Moshe thinks that hotels should cost a hundred dollars a night. And so I would just, I guess, lie to him about how much it costs.

• 35:57Dan Pashman?

  So you would book the hotel and not tell him that it was as expensive as it was?

• 36:00Speaker 04

  Oh, no, no, no, no, that's such a charitable interpretation. She would book the hotel and tell me a price that was a lie, that was not the right, not the price.

• 36:10Speaker 05

  But then you'd only have to pay, like, if I told you it was two hundred dollars, you only had to pay a hundred, because I always tell them, please don't mention the rate when we check in.

• 36:18Speaker 05

  And then I also tell them, please make sure you don't put a bill under the door.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  Right.

• 36:23Speaker 05

  But then this idiot put a bill under the door.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Right, and we did get into a fight. It became a big fight because it was, you know, I, I felt slighted or wronged because it was of the dishonesty or whatever, but it ended up, I think this is what you're getting at. It ended up with a nice

• 36:40Speaker 05

  Solution.

• 36:41Speaker 04

  Peaceable kingdom solution, which was that I would pay, even though now we have joint checking account, we still do this, I would pay for all of the meals and she would pay for all of the hotels and I would never ask how much the hotel was. And it created a harmonious area in our relationship where there used to be friction. And in, what's funny about it all is I really thought that I like, you know, I, I won, but now I realize we eat three times a day, we stay at a hotel room maybe like ten times a year, and I think I got the raw end of the deal, actually.

• 37:18Dan Pashman?

  But, but is it, are you also Moshe, the one where like eating at rest, like pick, having some sort of power or control or say over the restaurant is more important to you than it is to Natasha, it sounds like. Like she's like Natasha, you care more about the hotel and Moshe, you care more about the food. That's true.

• 37:33Speaker 04

  That's exactly right. And I think we both sort of identified that, that we identified that like, and I feel like a lot of couples, when they fight, they're fight, you know, they always say that couples are having like the same three fights over and over again. And that was definitely true for us. We're having the same fight about the same issue and we just found a way to sidestep the issue altogether. I don't think we've really had an argument about money since.

• 37:59Dan Pashman?

  You hear that story and you can understand why Natasha and Moshe have a podcast where they offer relationship advice to other couples, right? Well, coming up, we turn this podcast into their podcast when my wife, Janie, calls in for advice. Stick around.

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• 39:53Dan Pashman?

  Now, back to my conversation with comedians Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. Janey will join us by phone in a few minutes. But first, we have a little more ground to cover. As you heard, Moshe is Jewish. Natasha converted to Judaism when they got married. I wanted to get their quick takes on some Jewish culinary staples. So I picked a few entries from Tablet Magazine's list of the 100 most Jewish foods, and told Natasha and Moshe it was time for a lightning round.

• 40:21Speaker 04

  All right, let's do it. Lightning round.

• 40:22Dan Pashman?

  Okay, lightning round. First up, Hydrox cookies.

• 40:27Speaker 04

  That's a Jewish food? Those are the ones that don't have pork in them.

• 40:30Dan Pashman?

  Right, well Oreos are now kosher, but originally Oreos were not kosher, and actually Hydrox came first before Oreos.

• 40:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, I remember we could eat those. And I remember there was a Muslim kid in my class named Khalil, and the one thing we bonded over was that we both couldn't eat Oreos. So yes to Hydrox, yes to Khalil, yes to Islam.

• 40:49Dan Pashman?

  Natasha?

• 40:50Speaker 05

  I don't know, they seem like they might be dry.

• 40:54Dan Pashman?

  Without the pork fat, without the gelatin, or whatever it is?

• 40:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm good.

• 40:58Dan Pashman?

  All right, next one, matzah bri.

• 41:00Speaker 05

  Don't get it.

• 41:04Speaker 05

  I know so many people who are like, "It's so delicious," and then every time it comes as like wet crackers.

• 41:08Speaker 04

  I know. I want to like it. It's a food that I want to like.

• 41:11Dan Pashman?

  Another one on the list, the used tea bag.

• 41:15Speaker 04

  What?

• 41:16Speaker 05

  These are the top foods?

• 41:16Speaker 04

  Wait, is this the top sex positions?

• 41:20Speaker 05

  This is how bad Jewish food is, used tea bag.

• 41:22Dan Pashman?

  Tablet insists that this is a Jewish thing to like, make tea from a tea bag, and then put the tea bag aside and save it so you can use it to make tea again later.

• 41:31Speaker 04

  That doesn't sound like a Jewish food. It sounds like a Jewish stereotype.

• 41:34Dan Pashman?

  I know. Although, I have to tell you that my wife takes, she makes herself tea in the morning, and the tea bag stays in the glass, and she refills the water over the course of the day. But she would probably say that it's, just because she likes it, not too strong, not because she's, well, she's pretty frugal. She may be trying to save money.

• 41:52Speaker 04

  And it's a bargain.

• 41:56Dan Pashman?

  All right, one more for you.

• 41:58Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 41:59Dan Pashman?

  Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year, is coming up.

• 42:02Speaker 04

  Sure.

• 42:02Dan Pashman?

  Apples and honey.

• 42:04Speaker 04

  The best, best combo of all time.

• 42:06Speaker 05

  What's even better is what you serve it with, which is grilled cheese, or fried foods.

• 42:10Speaker 04

  Wait, no, that's Hanukkah.

• 42:11Speaker 05

  Wait, didn't we have apples and honey, and then also we had grilled cheese with it?

• 42:14Speaker 04

  That had nothing to do with Rosh Hashanah, that's what we had on hand.

• 42:19Speaker 05

  That was so good.

• 42:20Dan Pashman?

  I believe it was Maimonides who said, um, no, but that sounds like a great idea, though, Natasha. I think that you're right, that the, the cool crisp of

• 42:28Speaker 05

  It was delicious.

• 42:29Dan Pashman?

  And the sweetness of the honey would go really well with the grilled cheese, and that makes total sense.

• 42:33Speaker 04

  And also, uh, grilled cheese with honey on it is not bad, at all.

• 42:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, we should always do that for Rosh Hashanah.

• 42:39Speaker 04

  Really good. You haven't mentioned the greatest Jewish food of all time, for my money.

• 42:43Dan Pashman?

  Which is what?

• 42:44Speaker 04

  Which is, if you leave aside the potato knish, is chulent. That is my favorite Jewish food.

• 42:48Speaker 05

  Really?

• 42:49Speaker 04

  It's, you know, Jewish, it's basically Jewish stew, and it's the most delicious thing we've done.

• 42:53Speaker 05

  Matzoh ball soup, that's what I pick.

• 42:55Speaker 04

  That's pretty good.

• 42:55Dan Pashman?

  Matzoh ball soup's your favorite, Natasha?

• 42:57Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 42:58Dan Pashman?

  How fluffy or firm do you like your matzoh balls?

• 43:00Speaker 04

  Great question.

• 43:02Dan Pashman?

  Thank you.

• 43:02Speaker 05

  Firm but fluffy.

• 43:03Speaker 04

  Oh, great answer.

• 43:07Speaker 05

  I don't want it falling apart, like, I like that it's like, gonna be like, a ball sitting in the pit of my stomach, eventually, but, you know, you don't want it to be, like, hard.

• 43:16Dan Pashman?

  Right. So maybe you, you like a bigger matzoh ball that's gonna have more textural variation between the perimeter and the center of the ball.

• 43:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, Greenblatt's in LA has a really good one.

• 43:31Dan Pashman?

  So, in the spirit of your podcast where you take calls from couples, I am very pleased now to bring in a special guest, live on the phone from my house, it's my wife, Jamie.

• 43:41Speaker 04

  Yay, Jamie!

• 43:43Speaker 05

  How exciting!

• 43:44Speaker 04

  We hear you like a dirty teabag.

• 43:47Speaker 07

  I was listening. Um, actually, in my house, the whole family shares one teabag.

• 43:56Speaker 04

  I don't know if that's legal, but we like it.

• 43:58Dan Pashman?

  Yeah. So, but Janie, I was struggling to say for sure, is that, that's listed under Jewish foods. Moshe suggested that it's a Jewish stereotype. Do you reuse the same tea bag throughout the day because you like the, where the tea tastes? Or because you like to save money on tea bags?

• 44:14Speaker 07

  Um, I think a little bit of both. You know, in the morning, I need like the strong caffeine and then, you know, but I don't, yeah, I feel like it's kind of wasteful, like using, I don't like the, the tea so strong later in the day. So I'm not going to keep opening, you know, I don't want to open up a new tea bag and then only let it,

• 44:32Speaker 07

  you know, like keep it in the water for like a minute and throw it out. So I'll just reuse the same one.

• 44:36Speaker 04

  Sure. I mean, tea bags are expensive.

• 44:38Speaker 07

  You doing PG tips or what?

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Yeah. What do you, what's your, what's your tea game look like?

• 44:42Speaker 07

  Lemon lift is what I use in the morning and then I love lemon at night. Wow. You're healthy. That's your, that's your jolt of caffeine?

• 44:50Dan Pashman?

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 07

  That's impressive.

• 44:52Speaker 04

  Sometimes you just need a little lemon lift in the morning. Have you heard of coffee, by the way?

• 44:59Speaker 07

  I feel like I need coffee at like two o'clock in the afternoon.

• 45:01Dan Pashman?

  Yeah, yes. But sometimes like if I'm home in the afternoon, you'll say like, oh, I'm really tired and you know, as if they're like, like what, what, if only there was a solution to this problem of feeling tired. And I'll say, well, would you like me to make you a cup of coffee? And you'll say, oh, right. Coffee. That's the thing. And then I usually make you a cup of coffee and then what happens to it?

• 45:22Speaker 07

  I mean, I, I drink it, but it sometimes sits there for a while. I think we're getting into your pet peeves.

• 45:27Speaker 04

  Yeah, right.

• 45:28Speaker 07

  Yeah. I don't know what you want me to say. Do you want me to say drink, are you going to drink it too fast or not fast enough?

• 45:32Dan Pashman?

  Yeah. Well, I often find half of it sitting around the kitchen like six hours later and then I have to dump it.

• 45:37Speaker 04

  You guys seem like what I would call a happily married couple.

• 45:45Dan Pashman?

  Moshe and Natasha, is there information that I can, like you guys take the lead here now, pretend it's your show. Like what questions, what questions do you have for us?

• 45:53Speaker 07

  Janie, do you have a pet peeve?

• 45:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. What do you guys fight about the most that is not your fault?

• 46:00Speaker 07

  Nothing is my fault.

• 46:02Speaker 05

  I believe her.

• 46:03Speaker 04

  Well, but what's your most common fight about that you would say is not because of something you do, but because, you know?

• 46:09Speaker 07

  Well, I don't know if Dan would say it's probably not a common fight, but there is something that I do that really drives Dan kind of nuts.

• 46:18Speaker 07

  You know, one of my pet peeves is that I really don't like when dispenser, like soap or lotion dispensers, like the pump doesn't go to the bottom. So there's like a lot left, but you can't pump it out. So I put water, like the soap and like the dishwashing stuff, I put water in to the bottom of it.

• 46:34Speaker 05

  Sounds kind of like your tea situation.

• 46:39Speaker 05

  This is seeming oddly familiar.

• 46:41Speaker 04

  You're like, if I can't get the last little drips of soap, I'll just dip a little tea bag in there and swirl it around.

• 46:49Speaker 04

  So wait, so Dan, you don't like it when she does that?

• 46:51Speaker 05

  I wouldn't like it either because then it waters everything down.

• 46:54Dan Pashman?

  Exactly. I go to wash my hands, like I want suds. I need to see suds and soap on my hands to feel like I'm cleaning them. And I go and I squirt the soap dispenser on my hand and this, and also because the water is, well, because the water down soap is of course more watery, it shoots out of the soap dispenser with more force. So you press down the dispenser and it shoots out this like soapy water that hits me like in the shirt, like drills me in the chest for the first squirt.

• 47:22Speaker 04

  Drills you in the chest, Dan? How weak-limbed are you?

• 47:27Dan Pashman?

  You're like, oh, soapy water.

• 47:30Speaker 05

  It drills.

• 47:31Dan Pashman?

  The wound is deep, Moshe, it's very deep.

• 47:34Speaker 04

  I'm doubled over on my kitchen floor, crawling to a matzo ball to label, to just lay a little bit of soup on it to get some more energy for the rest of my day. Okay, but you know what, Jeannie, I'm actually on your team on this. I agree that it's very wasteful and I also will.

• 47:51Speaker 05

  It is better for the environment.

• 47:52Speaker 04

  I will water down a little bit of soap, but I also, Dan, I relate to what you're saying. I like a little bit of thickness.

• 47:57Speaker 05

  Oh my God, I have their answer. I have an answer for her, but I want to hear Dan's.

• 48:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, Dan, what's yours?

• 48:01Speaker 05

  Dan's thing first.

• 48:02Speaker 04

  What do you, what do you think you guys fight about?

• 48:05Dan Pashman?

  Um, well, well, here's a good one. So like, when we're gonna have people over,

• 48:12Dan Pashman?

  we both, like, we both do a lot, like, to, like, we're both doing a lot to get ready. I like to do the food, because I'm sort of like the one who's, I mean, Janie is a good cook, but I sort of enjoy cooking more. But I sometimes get a little bit, like, worked up about, you know, I want the food to be just right, and I want it to be delicious, and I want people to eat when it's hot.

• 48:31Dan Pashman?

  And Janie-

• 48:32Speaker 07

  By a little worked up, he means like, days of anxiety.

• 48:36Speaker 04

  Believe me, we're on your team. We heard the "drill me in the chest" snippet, so we believe you.

• 48:45Dan Pashman?

  So, it's something that we struggle with, because like, I wanna be relaxed when we have people over, and I wanna like, you know, hang out with friends and socialize and all that. But, you know, the flip side is that, like, we wake up at 7:00 or 7:30 in the morning. We have kids, so we're up. People are coming at noon. And to me, it's like, to get ready for, sometimes it's 10 or 15 people coming to our house from 7:00 a.m. to noon is not that much time to cook and clean and get the house ready. And Janie will be like, looking at her computer, checking Facebook for an hour. She's like, "We have plenty of time, we have plenty of time." And then at a certain point, she suddenly freaks out and says, "Oh, my God, we have, like, they're gonna be here soon." And I'm like, "Yeah, I've been trying to say that we need to, like, pick up the pace here a little bit." So I feel like sometimes my anxiety is justified.

• 49:24Speaker 04

  Ah, okay, I got you.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  Can I take this one?

• 49:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, Tosh, please.

• 49:27Speaker 05

  Okay, so, well, you chime in, but I just feel like I have an answer.

• 49:31Speaker 04

  Thanks, hon, I will. I just felt like you drilled me in the chest rhetorically.

• 49:37Speaker 05

  Okay, well, I found out about these things. I know this is very obvious, but they have all these little things that are like, these foam things you can buy. And all you do is put in a little bit of soap, and it automatically comes out as a foam. It like, mixes with water. You can put a little bit of soap and water in it, and then it mixes, and so you always have like, a nice foamy thing.

• 49:57Dan Pashman?

  It's got the aerator pump that kinda like, foams it. Right, right, right, okay, alright.

• 50:01Speaker 05

  It's kinda awesome. I bought it, I put a little, little bit of Dr. Bronner's in it, and I had like, foamy soap for like, weeks. It's great.

• 50:07Speaker 04

  And wait, but what about the other thing, which is that Janie, Janie's out here like, painting her nails, and getting a tan, and going for bungee jumping lessons, and going for a swim in the sea, and then Dan's there like, "Uh, honey, the matzo ball soup, the matzo balls haven't been rolled yet."

• 50:23Speaker 05

  Well, most of I also entertain.

• 50:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 50:25Speaker 05

  And what I usually-

• 50:27Speaker 04

  Tosh, those are great party.

• 50:27Speaker 05

  What I usually do is do everything. And then give Moshe a few little things he's in charge of. Like I say, Moshe, make a playlist. And then he would make like the best playlist, way better than I could ever do. Like, we have a Hanukkah party every year and he made like this playlist that was like part Jewish rock mu- like, any Jewish rock stars and then like actual Jewish music that was really good. You just found all this great stuff.

• 50:52Speaker 04

  I think that what Natasha's getting at-

• 50:55Speaker 05

  Delegate what you're good at.

• 50:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, what Natasha's getting at is something that we've been- it actually comes back to the fight about the hotel and the restaurant. Is that we've been very good at figuring out the things that the two of us are capable of doing and setting our expectations exactly there. Because like 90% of fights between people are because expectations that you already know aren't gonna be met are not met. And you're going, why are my expectations not been met? So Jeannie will probably always lag on making the matzo balls, Dan. So probably you need to get up at 6 instead of 7 and not get up at 7 and wonder, where is Jeannie? Cause she's busy-

• 51:29Speaker 05

  And Dan-

• 51:30Speaker 04

  Trying to get a bargain. She's been- she's so pumped up on lemon lift that she can't stay in the house one more hour.

• 51:36Speaker 05

  She is pumped up.

• 51:37Speaker 04

  She's gotta run that energy out.

• 51:39Speaker 05

  And Dan, you don't know what it's like being a woman. She wants to have her nails painted for the party.

• 51:43Speaker 04

  I made up the nail painting thing, I think.

• 51:45Dan Pashman?

  Right, yeah.

• 51:45Speaker 05

  I thought that was the issue.

• 51:47Dan Pashman?

  Janie, you know, gets showered and dressed in about 12 minutes. So she's not someone who requires a lot of primping. I think she's just more of a procrastinator. Is that fair to say, Janie?

• 51:56Speaker 07

  Yeah. And I think that we are pretty good at, like, division of labor. Dan's in the kitchen, but I'm setting up the table and putting the chairs out and, you know, maybe getting the drinks ready. But I do save it to the last minute, which stresses him out. And it stresses me out, but I think that's just- I save everything to the last minute. So I think that's just kinda how I operate.

• 52:16Speaker 04

  You know, there was a saying in 12-step groups that was, "My resentments are directly proportional to my expectations." And I think that that is probably true in your life.

• 52:25Speaker 05

  Lower your expectations.

• 52:26Speaker 04

  Well, just, you know, you already have the information, Dan. It's not ever gonna change. This is- Jeannie is the woman that you married. And so, get up at 6 and start rolling them balls.

• 52:38Speaker 05

  That was not what he wanted to hear.

• 52:40Speaker 04

  I'm sorry, dude.

• 52:41Dan Pashman?

  So who's doing what, Janie, for our next barbecue?

• 52:44Speaker 05

  Dan's doing it all.

• 52:45Speaker 04

  You're cooking the pork chops. And Jeannie's buying the foam.

• 52:49Speaker 07

  Well, how expensive is this foam dispenser?

• 52:51Speaker 04

  Ah, get outta here. It's about like- Just to put it in terms that you'll understand, it's about- probably will cost you about 42 teabags.

• 53:02Dan Pashman?

  Well, Moshe, that's about two years' worth of teabags.

• 53:05Speaker 04

  That's a lot. You're right. I said too many. I overshot. There's no way you guys... You know what? Maybe you guys should look into relationship counseling.

• 53:15Dan Pashman?

  All right, well, Janie, thanks so much for calling in. You're great.

• 53:18Speaker 04

  Thanks, Janie.

• 53:18Speaker 08

  Thanks, Janie.

• 53:19Dan Pashman?

  Love you.

• 53:19Speaker 08

  Thanks.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  Love you.

• 53:24Dan Pashman?

  All right, well, Moshe and Natasha, thank you guys so much. I love all your work. I love the podcast.

• 53:29Speaker 04

  Oh, thank you.

• 53:30Dan Pashman?

  Thanks again, you guys. Really appreciate it. Take care.

• 53:31Speaker 04

  Thank you. Bye-bye.

• 53:32Speaker 08

  Bye.

• 53:34Dan Pashman?

  That's Natasha Leggero and Moshe Kasher. Their honeymoon stand-up special is on Netflix, and their new podcast is The Endless Honeymoon. This show is produced by me, along with senior producer... Anne Sannick. And associate producer... Goffen Putubuele. Our engineer is... Jared O'Connell. Music help from Black Label Music. Our editor is Peter Clowney. The Sporkful is a production of Stitcher. Our executive producers are Daisy Rosario and Chris Bannon. Until next time, I'm Dan Pashman.

• 54:01Speaker 09

  I'm Rachel from Scotch Plains, New Jersey, reminding you to eat more, eat better, and eat more better.

• 54:19Dan Pashman?

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• 55:05Dan Pashman?

  Until next time, I'm Dan Pashman.

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