Tooth & Claw Year-End Wrap Up: 2024 Edition

Jeff takes a look back with the guys to talk about some of the more memorable moments of Tooth & Claw in 2024. They talk about the "Biggest Ouchy" of the year, some animal news that wasn't covered by the show, and then venture out into some more general pop-culture interests. ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social: Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:12Jeff Larson?

  Welcome everyone to the end of the year Tooth and Claw episode. As always, we got our CEO of Bears Wes Larson with us.

• 0:23Speaker 01

  I don't want to be a CEO. Wes, watch your back. Yeah.

• 0:29Jeff Larson?

  You're the CEO. We got Mike Smith, who famously hates children, and I'm Jeff Larson, Wes's little brother.

• 0:37Speaker 01

  Is that true, Mike? Do you not like kids? I like them just fine as long as they're not within like a, I was gonna make like a radius kind of joke, but that makes me sound like a predator, so I won't say that. I like them just fine, let's go with that.

• 0:50Jeff Larson?

  Are you like self-imposed have those laws that you can't be within a certain distance of a school or something?

• 0:59Speaker 01

  No one else has ever told me I can't.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  I like kids.

• 1:03Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:04Speaker 01

  And I can be around them.

• 1:06Jeff Larson?

  That's.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  It's leaving that.

• 1:09Jeff Larson?

  That's out there, yeah. We have some fun nephews, it's fun to hang out with our nephews and nieces.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  Nephew and nieces, we have one nephew and two nieces.

• 1:19Jeff Larson?

  I like in Spanish where you can just say the one word and it covers it.

• 1:24Speaker 01

  I know, there's a word that people use in the US that just sounds so dumb. I forget what it's called, oh niblets, people call them niblets. What? Yeah, it sounds like some like word that some millennial influencer came up with. It's awful. Oh, that's bad, I don't like that at all. So, don't use that word, let's come up with a better word than that, but I agree with you Jeff, in Latin America, I just say nephew and nieces, it's easy.

• 1:55Jeff Larson?

  But in Spanish, what it's sobrinos and sobrinas. And it's like, you can just say sobrinos and cover it all. And then say sobrinas if it's like for.

• 2:07Speaker 01

  But you gotta draw the line somewhere. If you start combining too many words, then you got like an eight word language. That's true. That doesn't work to me. You can't combine everything.

• 2:17Jeff Larson?

  Well, I put together a little 2024 tooth and claw recap, recrap. And.

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Funny.

• 2:26Jeff Larson?

  I just kinda wanna, yeah, recrap. Be here with you guys.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  Keep going. Funny. All right, let's do it.

• 2:34Jeff Larson?

  So let's do the most memorable news story that we shared this year.

• 2:39Speaker 01

  Honestly, the one that just stuck out to me when you asked me this was the RFK Junior story.

• 2:48Speaker 01

  Like him hitting a bear with his car, taking it to Central Park and ditching it there. Because he was like late for dinner or whatever. It's just, when that came out, I just couldn't believe it.

• 3:00Jeff Larson?

  One that is like kind of a big story in New York when it happened.

• 3:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:06Jeff Larson?

  And then like for it to turn out that it was him.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he's like, 10 years ago, I did this. And I love the memes now of whenever something crazy happens with an animal, it shows like RFK saying, now listen. I was like 10 years ago, you know, like everything. It's a joke about that. And I really, I don't know. That, that one for me is the one that, that stood out. So that's the one I'm gonna go with. That was it for me too, honestly. It was the, it's kind of the most exceptional one that happened all year, at least as far as like human interest. But I also, I think it was from that same episode. The one I look back on with the most, biggest emotional responses, the monkeys that saved that kid from getting assaulted. I think it was in India. You shared this story, Jeff.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  And I just thought that was a really, it was one of those stand up and cheer moments that they have at the Oscars now. You know, like with a part of the movie where you stood up and cheered. That was me, but for a tooth and claw podcast.

• 4:05Jeff Larson?

  I think you did stand up when I told the story.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  I did.

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Wiping my tears. Yeah.

• 4:13Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 4:14Speaker 01

  No, it was great. And who knows what those monkeys motivation was really at the end of the day, but it's just like a fun thing that fun's a weird word to use in this scenario, but it's great that it happened. It's awesome. It's kind of like if monkeys attack people enough, sooner or later they'll stop a sexual. That's true. Yeah. It's like the monkeys and Shakespeare on typewriters. Yeah, exactly. But this is for assault and stopping it.

• 4:40Jeff Larson?

  Yeah. You done with your fun story?

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was a riot. A barrel of monkeys, as some might call it.

• 4:48Jeff Larson?

  Mine, I went with Shane, who was like, kind of our first person we ever interviewed.

• 4:54Speaker 01

  A recent one.

• 4:55Jeff Larson?

  I guess we had Claire.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  The rattlesnake. We had Clara and we had Lindsay Bull with the alligator.

• 5:00Jeff Larson?

  But for like, oh yeah, Lindsay was the first.

• 5:03Speaker 01

  So.

• 5:03Jeff Larson?

  Like a national story. Yeah.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  He was our first bear attack, though, that we interviewed the victim.

• 5:09Jeff Larson?

  And then it got like even more interesting where 399 died this year and we kind of think it might have been 399 that got him. And it's been like fun keeping in touch with him. We, when you did the 399 episode about like eating that guy's ass.

• 5:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:30Jeff Larson?

  They like wrote in and said like, oh yeah, it's like after Shane's ass, dude.

• 5:37Jeff Larson?

  Uh, they're just very funny and it's like crazy story, one that I just remember a lot.

• 5:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, him and his wife, both great. Chloe? Yeah.

• 5:45Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  They are great.

• 5:46Jeff Larson?

  So next category, we're going to do our best story we could find from the news this year, 2024, that we didn't share in one of our news episodes.

• 5:59Speaker 01

  I got a pretty good one.

• 6:00Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 6:01Speaker 01

  That I was, I was pretty excited to learn about. So it actually involves a Nile crocodile, which I think we brought them up a few times in news episodes, but we've never done a fully devoted episode to them. And it was a pretty good story. This happened in 2024. Anthony Jobear, who's 37 years old, was fishing with his son JP, who's 12. They're at a dam in South Africa. And as he was fishing, his line got caught in a tree and he had a bass on and you you guys know, you don't want to lose a bass when you got a bass on. You gotta keep that bass. No, do whatever you can. Do whatever you have.

• 6:38Speaker 01

  So his, his son was like, oh, I'll go untangle it. And he's like, no, no, I'll do it. And he walked out and he was only in an inch of water where it was tangled over this tree. When suddenly a crocodile exploded from the water, clamped its jaws around his leg and knocked him over. And he says he just remembers there being water everywhere. Um, and then the crocodile adjusted its grip and it had a second leg in its mouth. This was about a 13 foot Nile crocodile. And it had him just below the belt around his thighs, started thrashing him back and forth. And he, because the crocodile was so up high, couldn't see his legs anymore. He could just see teeth and eyes looking at him. And the crocodile had him locked in, started backing up toward deeper water.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  And he knew enough to know, oh, if it gets me in this water, it's going to pull me under and drown me. So he starts fighting back. He's gouging at its eyes. He's forcing its thumbs into its eyes. And it just keeps shaking him, doesn't really even feel it. And his boss, Johan, who he's fishing with, runs in and grabs him by his trousers, like his belt. And they're kind of doing this tug, this tug of war between the crocodile. And he remembers thinking like, my legs are going to get ripped off and I'm going to die. And suddenly his wife, uh, who's very heroic, Annalise, appears. And she has a log that she had grabbed and she just starts smashing this crocodile over the head with the log, just over and over and over again.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Meanwhile, they're like combined children are watching from the shore and they're just losing their minds. Like one of them is on the ground praying. They're all screaming.

• 8:15Jeff Larson?

  The story started out like just him and his son and now it's like a family.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  There's a whole party going on. Yeah. And he's just getting shaken all over. But after about five or six really hard bashes with this log, the crocodile finally releases its grip and slides away. And his boss, who still had him by the belt, and his wife drag him up on the shore, blood soaked. And they're realizing like he's in pretty bad shape. He's in severe shock. Um, his wife is in shock. And Johan's wife, his boss's wife was there. She's also there. She grabs some towels and bandages and antiseptic and starts applying first aid. And when she's cleaning his wounds, she actually finds three teeth that are like stuck in holes in his stomach. And they're really scared.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  They're thinking he might bleed to death or die from infection. So they take him to a local public hospital. And the next morning they went to visit him and his wounds were just like filthy and still covered in mud. And so they're like, okay, we gotta get him to a different hospital. And they took him to a private one nearby, which I guess in South Africa, there's public and private. So you can go to public for free healthcare, or you can go to a private one and pay a little bit more. And they took him there. I think it ended up being like 4,000 something pounds. Uh, in rands, it was like a hundred thousand rands. And he made a, he made a recovery from what I, what I understand. He did say he was really happy that he went out in the water and not his son. Because his son was only 12 and probably would have been dragged away a lot quicker. He still has some trauma.

• 9:48Speaker 01

  Every time he closes his eyes, he still sees the crocodile. And he does admit that he's very lucky that it missed his private parts. The doctor said an inch to the side and they would have been gone. And they also just barely missed his femoral artery by like one millimeter. That's one of those rare occasions where you're like, I'm glad my privates aren't bigger. You know? Yeah. Cause they would have gotten him if they were bigger. That's a good point. You would have been toast. Longer or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  All right. Well, that's my story. I thought it was a pretty good one. I found a couple others that I really liked, but um.

• 10:25Jeff Larson?

  Maybe the crocodile is just trying to like help him get to this fish.

• 10:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's like, hey, I'll give you a hint. And you know, all they have is their teeth to really work with. So. There was that strange detail that the crocodile, it exploded at him. What do you think? That was all? Was there like a landmine? Is that another element of the story? No, I just mean it like shot out of the water. Shot? So like out of a cannon? No. Uh, what word could I use? Moved? It moved quickly out of the water toward him? That's what Jeff, that's Jeff's linguistic preference. If you just keep it simple.

• 11:01Jeff Larson?

  Hey, you always get mad at me for what you just did.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. I'm a hypocrite. I'll admit it. Two crazy things about this one for me is that he was only in an inch of water when it shot out at him. And obviously it was in deeper water nearby. You would think that if you waded out into an inch of water, you'd probably be okay. But I'm guessing there was like a drop off right past that. And then.

• 11:24Jeff Larson?

  I saw a video of a warthog drinking water the other day. And it was so scared and it just barely put its nose in there for a second and this crocodile, uh, cannoned out of the water and tried to bite it.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  I think they're the coolest ambush predators of like, of any ambush predator out there. But the other thing that I thought was really cool was typically with a crocodile that big, no amount of punishment is gonna get it to let go. I mean, these are animals that take down Cape buffalo. They take down, you know, really big prey. And the fact that his wife hit it that many times and it did release its grip is pretty impressive. And the fact that she was brave enough to run out there and do that is amazing. So. Yeah. It was a cool story. I thought it had a little bit of everything.

• 12:14Jeff Larson?

  His wife could maybe take a Cape buffalo.

• 12:17Speaker 01

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• 15:13Speaker 01

  I'll share my news story. How about that? Yeah.

• 15:16Jeff Larson?

  Yes.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Okay, so this is, I actually cheated a little bit because I, I did share this news story with you two, but we ended up cutting it out of the episode just for like pacing. And I didn't do a very good job of telling the story. I'm probably not going to do much better this time, but I really want to talk about it because I just thought it was really fun. Actually fun, not like the last news story I was talking about. But uh, there was a jogger, I think this is up in New Jersey. There was a jogger out in the forest, just out on a run. And she was having a really loud, public, like a speaker phone call while she was out. And for whatever reason, well, I can understand this groundhog got really aggravated with her speaking or just with her presence in general.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  And I can totally relate because I feel like doing the same thing when I see people having speaker phone calls in public too. Especially when you're out in like a forest or a park, especially don't, stop. Don't do that. Uh, if you're in your car, whatever, I can't make you live your life to that extent, but.

• 16:16Jeff Larson?

  See, I would, to me, like a forest or a park, at least you can like get away from them.

• 16:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:24Jeff Larson?

  To me, the worst was when we were in Switzerland and there's the lady on the train right next to us, just full speaker phone. It's just like, we have nowhere we can go.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:34Jeff Larson?

  We're just stuck with this.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Well, and especially when it's in another language and you can't even like listen in, you know? Yeah, it was tough. But whatever the case, this groundhog got super mad and just ran up on her and started chewing on her legs. And she freaked out. She threw her phone out, so she had no way to like call or contact anyone for help. I don't know how serious or like how big this groundhog was, but she was indisposed on the ground, being attacked by this groundhog. And this really sent me down a rabbit hole of learning a lot about groundhogs that I didn't know, like the noises they make when they get all riled up. Yeah, it's not, do they, do they burrow? I'm not sure. I didn't, I didn't dig that deep into groundhog. Groundhog? Yeah. Yeah. What's the other name for that? Whistle pig?

• 17:20Jeff Larson?

  So deep that sometimes like they get to the magma layer of the earth and it burns.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  They definitely don't do that. Okay, that's interesting. Uh, whistle pigs is another name. That's mostly what my research led me to learn. That was great. But anyway, so a, a middle school on his cross country team, he was also out on a run in the forest. And he came across the scene. He heard the commotion because groundhogs, they make crazy loud squealing screech sounds when they're all riled up like this. And what he ended up doing was he told Siri to call 911 for him and get them dispatched out to the scene so that they could come help. But it's just like a really fun scenario where in this kid just happened to be close enough to help this lady who was having a tough time with a groundhog. The police came by, everything was resolved peacefully.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  She got her phone back. Oh, that's another detail of the story. The groundhog kind of disconnected from her legs at one point and started chewing on her phone. You know, that's tough.

• 18:21Jeff Larson?

  So it really was just mad that she was on the phone.

• 18:24Speaker 01

  I think that's really what it was. Yeah.

• 18:28Speaker 01

  I do. I love that this story resonated so much with you that you like decided to re-rack it. Bring it back. Because it's just like, it is the fact that she was on speaker on her phone in a public setting. That's so aggravating. Connected with you. Yeah. It really did.

• 18:45Jeff Larson?

  And the detail that he asked Siri to call 911.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  That's, yeah, that's great.

• 18:51Speaker 01

  It makes me wonder if like he forgot what the number was and he was like, oh, maybe Siri knows.

• 18:57Speaker 01

  That's great. Jeff, what do you got?

• 18:59Jeff Larson?

  I got one for you.

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Okay, alright.

• 19:02Jeff Larson?

  So Charlie Hayjack, he's 62 years old. And he had gone 148 days in a row surfing. He just loves surfing, right?

• 19:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:16Jeff Larson?

  He wanted to keep this streak going. But something happened to break his streak and he was pretty mad about it on September 24th. So he's the owner of Gnarly Charlie Surf Series, by the way, which is a great name.

• 19:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:32Jeff Larson?

  Wes, what are some things humans can do to provoke a shark bite?

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Like a lot of splashing, being near some sort of prey source, being out early in the morning, late in the evening. Uh, murky water, having exposed flesh too. Cause like the bright flashing of your skin, if you're, if you're white especially can look like a fish that's struggling in the water. So you don't think women should be able to wear bikinis? That's not what I'm saying, but it's just like, it's one extra tiny thing that can contribute, but it's still not, it's not likely to can like

• 20:07Jeff Larson?

  So.

• 20:07Speaker 01

  lead to a shark attack.

• 20:09Jeff Larson?

  According to Wes, Charlie did nothing to provoke this attack, but he stepped on the shark.

• 20:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:16Jeff Larson?

  And.

• 20:18Jeff Larson?

  Well, you didn't list that, so.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, most shark attacks are unprovoked. You forgot. Yeah.

• 20:24Jeff Larson?

  He stepped on the shark and it immediately turned and bit him twice, pretty good on the leg and then swam off. So he goes to the beach, which you guys know, get sand in it. That's like to me, oh. And he's looking at his foot and he said that it opened up like a flower, which I thought was like a really unique description. He could see all the slice marks in his foot and then blood just started beaming out of each of the holes. So he grabs his surfboard leash to make a tourniquet on his foot. And then he drives himself to the hospital.

• 21:02Jeff Larson?

  Gets stitched up and was just dying in the hospital because he broke his surf streak by and he was just itching to get back out there. That was like the main headline of his whole attack, though, was that he was mad that he couldn't go surfing.

• 21:19Speaker 01

  I love, I love a good streak, you know? Yeah. A good streak is fun to keep.

• 21:23Jeff Larson?

  All right. So now I got some more categories. So let's do favorite animal fact learned this year.

• 21:32Speaker 01

  Wes, you can't go first. You've been doing that too much. That's why I'm waiting. Our listeners get pissed when you keep going first. We did get a review about that one. I'll go then. So, um, this may be a little self aggrandizing. I don't know. I always remember the stuff I talk about a lot more than I remember the stuff you guys talk about. I think that's human nature. But during the mating season, I learned when I was preparing the deer episode, that male deer necks, they can expand in size two or sometimes even up to three times. Jeff's doing the deer neck face again. Yeah. Popular.

• 22:06Jeff Larson?

  That's a meme on Discord.

• 22:08Speaker 01

  Our Discord, yeah, people like that. But I was just shocked like how seasonally, how much an animal's physiology can change. Uh, and then just go back and just cycle over and over again. That's a huge change that they undergo every year. It's really cool. I mean, they look like a completely different animal in the fall. Not completely, but very different animal in the fall fall than they do in the summer. Like in the summer, they're all tan and kind of tawny and, and lithe and just like dainty. And then in the fall, they're jacked out and. Burly and much.

• 22:40Jeff Larson?

  Every, every year without fail in the fall, Wes is like, what is that? I'm like, it's a, it's a deer.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  No way. That's right.

• 22:51Jeff Larson?

  Good one.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it's a great one.

• 22:53Jeff Larson?

  I'll go next. So this one, I don't even know if it's works. I have a backup if you guys say it doesn't work. But I was thinking of our HBO partnership with like Chimp Crazy.

• 23:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:08Jeff Larson?

  And just that that one chimp was strong, it was Travis, that Travis was strong enough to rip a cop car door off of his car.

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Yeah. That counts. Sure.

• 23:22Jeff Larson?

  But he was like, I didn't, I didn't realize chimps were that strong. That one counts?

• 23:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've been a real kind of roller coaster in chimp strength over the year too. Cause we got in like a heated argument in Australia about whether or not you could beat one in a fight. And then I was like so convinced you couldn't. And then some of our chimp experts on that were kind of like, yeah, like Jeff couldn't, but there's a possibility of like the strongest man ever.

• 23:49Jeff Larson?

  Alex Pereira.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  And I didn't think there was any shot, so it was a bit of a roller coaster.

• 23:55Jeff Larson?

  Travis was like the Alex Pereira of chimps, dude.

• 23:59Speaker 01

  He's a big chimp. That's what they say.

• 24:00Jeff Larson?

  200 pounds.

• 24:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, right? He was kind of obese though. Police cruiser doors. Amazing. All right, I'm gonna pick one from a Jeff-isode, the cockroach one. I hadn't ever really cared enough to learn much about cockroaches. And I was really shocked by how social they were. I didn't really understand just how like intelligent and social and cooperative cockroaches could be. And that episode really made me think about them a lot differently. So that's the one that I pick. Thanks Jeff.

• 24:32Jeff Larson?

  You're welcome. My backup was gonna be the lobsters peeing on each other before they have sex.

• 24:38Speaker 01

  Hell yeah, dude. Hell yeah.

• 24:42Speaker 01

  Made you feel seen.

• 24:44Jeff Larson?

  All right, so next one, best animal experience of the year? Like your personal experience with an animal this year? I'm gonna go last this time.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  Okay, okay, I'll go first again then. I know mine off the top of my head. I had a lot of really good animal experiences this year. Between our tooth and claw trips, my guiding trips, and just being in Montana, I do feel very lucky to have the experiences I had this year. But one that stood out was in Borneo, where we saw the orangutan come down with her baby in the morning. I just, it was like so quiet and beautiful and, and no one was like impatient in the group. We all just sat there and waited and I thought we'd be lucky to see an orangutan, like a fully wild orangutan. And then seeing one with her baby and just like how gentle that whole process was.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  And it did seem like they were kind of just enjoying the sunrise before they came down. It was my first great apes in the wild and it really affected me. Like it really is something I think about all the time. So that, that was one that stood out and that's the one I'm gonna pick. Yeah, that was great. I'm gonna go with the great white shark dive. All three of us were in the same cage, I think. That was unbelievable to me. That was pretty easily the most special encounter that I've had with wildlife in my lifetime. It kind of everything I thought, I mean, I knew I've always loved great white sharks, but having seen them, a lot of my thoughts about them kind of flipped all the way entirely around.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  Instead of seeming scary to me, I'm sure without the bars in the way they would have been, but I saw more of kind of like an innocent, almost a childlike nature about them. They're just animals doing their thing and they're like so almost curious, the dead eyes that some people refer to them as having. I just didn't see that at all with them. I saw just like a really curious and intelligent, powerful animal doing its thing. It was just, I felt really privileged to have experienced that. Yeah, that's a great one.

• 26:49Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, that actually made me wanna audible the one I wrote down, so I'm going to. I'm gonna choose koalas. We like went to an island in Australia that was like known for its koalas called Magnetic Island. Not known for magnets, I don't think, even despite the name.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  I didn't see a single one.

• 27:12Jeff Larson?

  But it was a real koala magnet because we saw a bunch of them and I like had really gotten my expectations low for koalas. They're one of my favorite animals. They're like, I think I have them like eight overall. But I thought that they wouldn't be that cool to see in the wild because I know they sleep all day and I thought they'd just be super far away. They're just right next to the trail that we saw them on. Even though they're sleepy, they still move and stuff and we saw them even like at the hostel that Wes chose. So uh huh, just running around the boardwalk a little bit. So that was really fun for me.

• 27:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:50Jeff Larson?

  Do I want to do honorable mentions at all on this?

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I almost picked the cassowary, which was also in Australia. Like that was one of the ones I had to work for the hardest this year that we all worked for. And like the payoff was worth it. That was such an amazing bird and it was my bucket list bird. So now I think it's harpy eagle, which I'm going to try and see this year, but cassowary was my honorable mention.

• 28:14Jeff Larson?

  I had boogie boy written down the ring tan that raided our hotel fridge and we like walked up right as it is. Making us escape and it's just so funny. We had looked for ring of tans for two or three full days. And then just to have one at our hotel breaking in to the fridge was so fun.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  It's really funny.

• 28:34Jeff Larson?

  And then I also want to just mention the Hoggle Zoo. It's been like fun going there a lot. I don't think it has to always be some huge adventure to connect you to animals like.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Definitely.

• 28:46Jeff Larson?

  We're pretty pro zoos.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  I'm very.

• 28:48Jeff Larson?

  I know. Yeah. And there's a baby gorilla there right now. There's two baby snow leopards. So.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  That new exhibit with the Utah.

• 28:56Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, it's been fun. Just kinda.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Do you know what? Something you taught me this year, Wes, is I can go outside of my house, wherever I'm living, wherever I am. And there's going to be probably some cool birds to see. You don't have to go anywhere to have a meaningful and cool experience with wildlife. Birding really opens up a whole new world of wildlife to you and like it took me a while to get into birding. And now that I am, it's part of what I look forward to the most on our trips is what I'm going to see as far as bird life is concerned. So that's cool. I'm glad. I'm glad you're catching the bug a little bit and I know Jeff is too. The bird bug.

• 29:35Jeff Larson?

  Saw a cassowary outside the other day.

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• 32:52Speaker 01

  Did you guys watch Wonka? Did you like Wonka? I did. Yeah. Wonka was great. Yeah. It was directed by the same guys, the Paddington movies, Paul King. Right. That's right. That's why I think that's its same sense of whimsy that I got from those movies, you know?

• 33:06Jeff Larson?

  I like Timothy Chalamet.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Yeah. What can't that guy do? You know?

• 33:11Jeff Larson?

  Uh, he couldn't win his own lookalike contest in New York City.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  Fair enough.

• 33:16Jeff Larson?

  Someone else won it. All right. Biggest ouchie of the year.

• 33:22Speaker 01

  You meant from our stories, right?

• 33:24Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Okay. Yeah. I'm going Waylon. Waylon the Warthog ripping Austin's throat out and then there was some like testicle stuff going on. That's the one that stuck in my brain. Like there's other people died from some attacks and that's a bigger ouchie, technically speaking. I don't know if ouchie is a technical term in any way, but that's the one I just couldn't stop thinking about is, uh, while Jeff and I were in France and I just walked around the streets of France during the Olympics and all this cool stuff was happening around us, the supreme athletes of the world were competing. And I was like, man, Waylon the Warthog, huh? Gross.

• 34:02Jeff Larson?

  Welcome to my world, man. Uh, yeah, I can go next. I went with Matt Dyer. The polar bear attack that we told. It's just crazy to me like. How much damage a polar bear can do right away? Yeah, and then. It's always bad when you're out somewhere super far away from help. Because you just gotta wait such a long time with like your wounds and everything. I think a lot of our attacks, at least they get brought to help quickly. And this one, they just, he had to wait a long time.

• 34:39Mike Smith?

  It was like super cold. Like if I bump my knuckle and it's cold. It's like times 10 pain. So I can't even imagine what a polar bear attack would be like.

• 34:50Speaker 01

  I um, I went with Timothy Treadwell and Amy Huguenard.

• 34:54Mike Smith?

  Yeah.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  I think for me. Again, and I know I keep bringing this up, but like the fact that I had access for so long to to their autopsy stuff. It. It like really clarified how bad. That was for them, you know, and I know that's like such a. A like diminutive word to use for that like bad, but it's just horrific. To see that kind of devastation that's done to a body. Yeah, and and just kind of having to dive into that one at the level that I did. Uh, it made me think about them a lot. And so that one is the one that. Felt like the biggest Ouchy for me.

• 35:34Jeff Larson?

  Plus bears always have like smelly breath.

• 35:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:38Jeff Larson?

  So you gotta deal with that.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, I I stick to it. I just think getting killed by a bear or eaten by a bear is. As far as wildlife goes, I think it's as bad as it gets.

• 35:50Jeff Larson?

  All right. Favorite pop culture animal of 2024? You got anything for this? I'll go first. I'm gonna go with Tonka. I didn't know anything about Tonka until our HBO thing, but Tonka was a cool chimp and I love a chimp that dresses up like a person, you know? Even though we kind of learned that we shouldn't be doing that.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  You took mine, so I'm gonna go with just a layup and I'm gonna say Mudang.

• 36:17Jeff Larson?

  Oh, man.

• 36:18Speaker 01

  That's what I thought you were gonna pick. I know. Mudang was all over the news. Very cute little pygmy hippopotamus and...

• 36:27Jeff Larson?

  No, I actually am glad that you chose Mudang though, because I, everyone knows I love Mudang, so it means more coming from you, you know?

• 36:35Mike Smith?

  Yeah. I was thinking, as far as real animals go, the bear, dead bear in RFK's trunk is just still the most mind-boggling thing. But I wanted to bring this up because it didn't quite make my favorite movie of the year, but have you guys heard of the movie Hundreds of Beavers?

• 36:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:53Mike Smith?

  Oh, man. It was incredible. It's like a really a love it or hate it kind of a movie. It really worked for me. It's just because I love old Buster Keaton, black and white slapstick stuff. It's a lot of stupid funny beavers. They're really humans in beaver costumes in the movie, but man, I've had such a great time watching that. Cool.

• 37:11Jeff Larson?

  I have to, I have to watch it. My backup was Gladiator 2 and he kills the primate.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:21Mike Smith?

  The beavers. Yeah.

• 37:23Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, because I was like, well, there's my proof that I could take one. All you gotta do is bite it.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  I think you can kill a baboon. Gladiator 2 is so weird with its animal stuff. Why, there's so much, so many.

• 37:36Mike Smith?

  You guys like that movie a lot more than I did. I wasn't a big fan.

• 37:39Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 37:40Jeff Larson?

  Mike doesn't seem like, Mike's like complaining about it.

• 37:43Mike Smith?

  I'll give it a C+.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's where I'm at too. Like, I had fun because I went with you guys.

• 37:49Jeff Larson?

  Well, I mean, the costume was pretty famous for having a bunch of animals in it.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, and that's cool.

• 37:57Mike Smith?

  That's true.

• 37:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I just, the first Gladiator with the tigers, I thought they did it so well. And this one, it just kind of felt like they're like, let's just throw some baboons in there. Let's do a rhino, you know? It didn't feel very thought out to me.

• 38:09Jeff Larson?

  It's a tough area for us because we love movies and like...

• 38:15Jeff Larson?

  I don't think any of us love CGI animals.

• 38:18Speaker 01

  I know.

• 38:18Jeff Larson?

  Then we like know that it's a lot more humane and like what should be happening.

• 38:24Speaker 01

  It's such a weird balance.

• 38:26Jeff Larson?

  Gladiator, the first Gladiator, he like almost got slashed up by a tiger and it's like

• 38:31Speaker 01

  By a real tiger.

• 38:31Jeff Larson?

  Way cooler.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're gonna, at some point, probably this year, we'll do an episode on the movie Roar, which a lot of people have sent us. It's been on my list since day one, but it's just a crazy movie where there was a lot of real animals used that were not very trained. And it's gonna be a fun episode.

• 38:50Jeff Larson?

  Wes, do you have any conservation successes from 2024?

• 38:55Speaker 01

  I do. And I really, I want to stress that this isn't like a complete list, but these are some of the ones that kind of stuck out for me as I was doing some research and I think they're interesting ones. But um, one is that there is an approved plan for reintroducing grizzly bears to the North Cascades in Washington, which I'm really excited about. It's great habitat for them. And it'll open up some new pathways for their movement. And I think it opens up discussions for new reintroductions with grizzly bears too, which I would love to see them move to different places in the country. Tigers seem to be rebounding a bit in Thailand, which is the only country in Southeast Asia now with a growing tiger population.

• 39:36Jeff Larson?

  Oh, cool.

• 39:37Speaker 01

  India has a growing tiger population, but in Southeast Asia, Thailand's the only one where they seem to be doing better than they were previous years. A big one in the US is four large dams were removed from the Klamath River, which is kind of along the California Oregon border. It gave salmon access to natal streams that they didn't have access to before and they're starting to run up that river again. And it's restoring a river to its wild nature. It's creating salmon habitat. And the cool thing about that one is indigenous groups really led the charge to get those dams removed. And it's the biggest dam removal project ever in US history.

• 40:15Jeff Larson?

  Oh, nice.

• 40:16Speaker 01

  Really cool. Spain introduced seven new marine protected areas. Krzyszowski's horses were reintroduced to Kazakhstan.

• 40:24Jeff Larson?

  Krzyszowski?

• 40:25Speaker 01

  That's the Monsters Inc. guy, right? Uh, yeah, Mike Krzyszowski. Uh, no, they're the only wild species of horse though. So that's kind of cool that they're trying to spread them around.

• 40:35Jeff Larson?

  Get those out of there.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  Blue whales are coming back, especially in Antarctica. Their numbers are really rebounding.

• 40:42Jeff Larson?

  I didn't even know they left.

• 40:44Speaker 01

  And then two that are kind of a little bit more vague, more ranchers across the world are adopting sustainable ranching practices. So like rotational grazing, things that actually improve the soil and prairie habitat. And that is something that will actually have really wide scale changes for conservation. And then another one that I just wanted to bring up, we kind of touched on already, a lot of conservation groups are really seeing the value of involving indigenous communities in decision making around conservation. And there are a lot of laws that are being passed that return wildlife control to tribes. A big one is bison in the US through this thing called the Tribal Buffalo Lifeways Collaboration. They're trying

• 41:27Speaker 01

  to return buffalo to a lot of these tribal lands and give the tribes ownership over how those buffalo are managed or bison, American bison. And I think that's great. History shows that people that are indigenous to a place tend to treat the wildlife and the land better than the colonizers. And I think when we give those people a big voice in those kind of decisions, tends to lead to the best case scenario for the wildlife. And I love seeing that happen more and more.

• 41:57Jeff Larson?

  For bison hunts, you gotta dress up like wolves and chase them off a cliff, right?

• 42:03Speaker 01

  You gotta chase them off cliffs. No, no. But I do think that's really cool. I think, and

• 42:09Jeff Larson?

  No, that's great.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, these are all, these are all like wins that

• 42:13Jeff Larson?

  Those are all good wins.

• 42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, that are very like centered on certain things. And I think

• 42:17Mike Smith?

  Those developments for those ranchers, now to make them jolly.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Jolly ranchers. Thanks. Yeah, perfect. All right. We'll end on that with the conservation stuff.

• 42:31Jeff Larson?

  All right, so that's it for the tooth and claw themed review, but I also prepped a review that's non-tooth and claw stuff.

• 42:41Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 42:42Jeff Larson?

  So, uh, what was your favorite movie of 2024? Uh, I'll go first.

• 42:48Speaker 01

  Oh, it's so tough. Yeah, do it.

• 42:50Jeff Larson?

  For me, it ended up being Furiosa.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  I like that. Oh, yeah.

• 42:54Jeff Larson?

  Which I didn't, I didn't plan on, but I just absolutely loved it.

• 42:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's in my honorable mentions.

• 43:02Mike Smith?

  Yeah, we had a real interesting, there's a backstory to that one.

• 43:05Speaker 01

  Our first watch of Furiosa wasn't great.

• 43:08Mike Smith?

  There's no audio, there's like a whole audio track was missing. There's no music.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's amazing. That's a great pick.

• 43:13Mike Smith?

  Yeah, you go, Wes. I want to see what you do before I give my answer.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  I, I settled on Dune 2. I just think both of those movies are perfect movies, like the audio engineering, the cinematographer, Greg Fraser, he's like my favorite cinematographer. I just think it was a perfect movie and sequel, so I had, I had to pick it and yeah, I'm gonna stick by it and I'll do my, I'll do my honorable mentions afterward.

• 43:40Mike Smith?

  Sure. Did you like it more than part one?

• 43:42Speaker 01

  I can't pick between the two. Like, I think I liked them the same. I really do. And I know that's like not a great answer, but I like them for different reasons. I thought part two had more action, but part one had more story devices. I don't know. I just like, I love them both.

• 43:58Mike Smith?

  That was definitely, that's top five for me. I think I'm gonna pick Conclave, which is ridiculous. I like, I had such a fun time and it was like barely edged out. Jeff and I went and saw Enora, which is an amazing film. If you're gonna see one of those two, see Enora. But for some reason, I was like one of two people in the theater when we were watching Conclave and Ralph Fiennes, of course, is just a master actor.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  He's always, he's always.

• 44:23Mike Smith?

  One of the best to ever do it. And I just, I was kind of, for as dumb kind of Dan Brownie as it is, there's a lot of like weird twists and turns and it's a little bit ridiculous if you really are analyzing it on, um, a plot level. But yeah, I also think there's a lot of really interesting. And important messages to be learned from the dialogue, the speechifying, a couple of speeches by a few different characters. Just really touched me. I thought it was a really fun, but also profound experience.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  It was like shot beautifully too.

• 44:54Mike Smith?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 44:55Speaker 01

  It was great. Can I do my honorable mentions?

• 44:57Jeff Larson?

  Wasn't even on my radar. Uh, yeah.

• 44:59Speaker 01

  You guys have any?

• 45:00Jeff Larson?

  Sound off.

• 45:02Speaker 01

  I had four movies that I thought I liked pretty much the exact same. That would all be like my number two movie, uh, Challengers, which I just loved. The First Omen, which is probably the best horror movie I saw this year. Furiosa, which we talked about already, and then Alien Romulus, which I think was the movie I had the most fun with this year. Like the first time I saw it, I just had so much fun. So those are my four that are honorable mentions.

• 45:30Mike Smith?

  Yeah, I'll shout out again.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Oh, trap.

• 45:32Mike Smith?

  I like trap. Trap was fun.

• 45:36Mike Smith?

  Not quite best of the year status that for you?

• 45:38Speaker 01

  No, but really fun. I'll definitely rewatch it.

• 45:41Mike Smith?

  Uh, I just want to shout out again, Enora, real quick. Jeff and I had like a really fun time watching that together.

• 45:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:48Mike Smith?

  Dune 2, of course, Hundreds of Beavers. Again, if you're into that kind of thing, it's really fun, just endlessly creative. And I actually would have picked this movie. It's a horror film out of Korea, South Korea called Exuma. And that would have probably won it if Wes hadn't shown me the movie The Wailing, which is also a horror movie out of South Korea. And I was like, this is kind of the same thing, but better in every way slightly.

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:12Mike Smith?

  So like, I don't know, there's just a weird kind of split in my mind about how much I should and do like Exuma. It's still great. I love that movie, but just wanted to shout that one out.

• 46:22Jeff Larson?

  All right. Yeah. I, I mean, you guys covered my shout outs, I think.

• 46:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 46:27Jeff Larson?

  Dune 2 would probably be my second favorite. And that's the movie I had the most. Well, I'll get to that.

• 46:33Speaker 01

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• 48:04Mike Smith?

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• 48:45Mike Smith?

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  There's courses for everything. Like, I want to do a cooking one, because I want to get better at cooking.

• 49:05Mike Smith?

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• 49:41Jeff Larson?

  Favorite, just media, outside of movies, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. So I'm, mine's recency bias right now, but the new Astro Bot has been so fun for me.

• 49:55Mike Smith?

  I'm excited to play it.

• 49:56Jeff Larson?

  And, I don't know, it just like, I don't know PlayStation 5's controller, like, it just taught me all this stuff that other games don't utilize about the controller. You can like, blow on the controller and it registers it and stuff.

• 50:12Mike Smith?

  Yeah, it's cool. Mine is something that came out at the end of 2023, but I saw it in 2024, so I'm gonna count it, and it's Scavengers Reign, which I think is maybe my favorite series, like, TV series that I can remember, since like, The Simpsons. It's so good. It's so beautifully done, and thoughtful, and tense, and just good. I, like, I can't recommend that show high enough. So Scavengers Reign is definitely it for me. I'll second that opinion. I'm gonna take things back to, I'm kinda sad you decided to not include

• 50:54Mike Smith?

  movies because my favorite single moment in media this year was Godzilla, Suplex and King Kong. Yeah, that's fine. You can take that. But I'm also, in reality, my answer, it's a video game as well. It's Final Fantasy VII Rebirth. It's a remake of my favorite game ever made and it delivered on every promise that the first part of the remake trilogy didn't quite reach and I was just overjoyed by it, just a constant. Do you have to play all six previous Final Fantasies to be able to play Final Fantasy VII? You don't, but I would highly encourage you. At least six and four and five in that order. Well, me, I don't know. Don't do, you do whatever you want. Those games are amazing, though.

• 51:39Mike Smith?

  Alright, so there's not like a law? No, there's no law. You won't get arrested. Do I have to play one through six first? Well, I'll make the law right now. If you don't, I'll beat you up. I'm a busy guy. Yeah, I know. Favorite new song? This is kinda, I'm breaking a rule again here because my two, my number one also came out in 2023, but I discovered it in 2024 and it's the song Slugs by Slow Pulp. That's like, it was my number one song of the year. I listened to it a ton. I listened to it when like we were losing Bryce, so it kind of has like some sentimental value to me. And my number two is After Midnight by Chapel Rome, which also came out last year, but I just love that song. I think it's so fun.

• 52:24Mike Smith?

  You keep cheating, dude. Yeah, but they're both songs that I discovered in 2024. So I won't do any more of that. I'm done. Sure. Uh, I'm gonna go, I need, I also need to pick two, uh, because they're very different and I like them for very different reasons, but Tipsy, the cover by Clipping, you know, the song like the old club banger Tipsy by Jaquan, uh, yeah, Clipping covered it and it's so good, man. It goes so hard. But then also Sleepy Time Gorilla Museum, first album in like 15 years. They haven't missed a beat. They're incredible. And my favorite song off their new album is L.Evil and it's just like very experimental art rock, but not so weird that it's inaccessible to the casual

• 53:06Mike Smith?

  listener. I just, I love them. I love them and I'm glad they're back. It's like such a weird, unexpected. Pleasure to hear them again.

• 53:14Jeff Larson?

  Wes and Mike are like, get way deeper into music than I do. But I just love when drama or like there's backstory with music. So I actually went with Not Like Us by Kendrick.

• 53:30Mike Smith?

  Oh, nice.

• 53:31Jeff Larson?

  Really like the Drake and Kendrick beef. I wasn't really even taking sides, but whenever someone just like ends the whole beef with a song, it's just, gotta respect it.

• 53:43Mike Smith?

  It's dude, it's an amazing song and it really did kind of like final nail in the coffin for Drake for the whole beef. But I think Meet the Grams is even more scathing. It kills Drake. He was dead long before Kendrick is much better, but um, Not Like Us was such a fun, like two week stretch.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  They're like on whole different levels.

• 54:02Mike Smith?

  Oh, man, it's not even close.

• 54:04Jeff Larson?

  Drake's son's pretty good, though.

• 54:08Jeff Larson?

  He's next up.

• 54:11Mike Smith?

  Oh, man, when Kendrick wrote a letter to his son in Meet the Grams, brutal. Oh, crazy.

• 54:18Jeff Larson?

  Uh, Rizler has a pretty good song, too.

• 54:22Mike Smith?

  Good to know. I'll write that one down. Check that out.

• 54:26Jeff Larson?

  Yeah. Alright, so when, when we eventually die, if we were like to jot down a note to like ask God a question about 2024, what would we ask him? Uh, I can start us off. Actually, I have a few. I'll, I'll do my favorite one, though. I really want to know how Reagan qualified for the Paris Olympics. There's a lot of like, her husband was a judge type of stuff, but there's still three judges and like the other person was just so obviously better than her. And just to get to the finals to go to Paris is like, there's just no chance that she should have ever been there.

• 55:12Jeff Larson?

  So I'd just like the whole backstory to all of that.

• 55:16Mike Smith?

  I like that. That's a good. That's a great answer. Yeah. I want to ask him if truly I have the power that whenever I turn the TV on to watch the Chargers game, whenever I am watching it, the Chargers play badly. And the moment I turn it off, they start playing well. If that's a real phenomenon in a power that I possess, or if that's just in my head. But it's it's always been a thing for me, but two thousand twenty four has been like a pretty amazing streak of that.

• 55:43Jeff Larson?

  Don't you think though, like you always turn it off when they're most frustrating?

• 55:49Mike Smith?

  That's the thing like the well, we don't need to get too deep into this.

• 55:51Jeff Larson?

  You control it a little bit, right?

• 55:54Mike Smith?

  A little bit, but that doesn't change the fact that the second I turn it on after I see they're doing well again. I turn it on at the exact moment that the Chiefs kicked the game winning field goal. Like, I don't need to see that. Why do I, why does this happen to me? It's so painful and I can't help. I can't help but come crawling back every Sunday. Gosh, I hate them so much. I love them though.

• 56:17Speaker 01

  I feel like this was a year, and I think this is like, I'm gonna put on my tinfoil hat here for a second. I feel like whenever there's kind of like some, some movements in the people that scare the government a little bit. They release stuff about UFOs to distract us.

• 56:34Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 56:34Mike Smith?

  Oh, the Jersey drones.

• 56:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I feel like that's happened a few times this year where suddenly we get these crazy admissions by the FBI that it's like, oh yeah, we've seen aliens and we have no idea what they are. And now there's these orbs in New Jersey and stuff.

• 56:49Jeff Larson?

  Released, they're like, everyone's talking about killing the CEO. Let's release the drones.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. And I would love to just ask God like about aliens. I want to know about UFOs and aliens and stuff. And just, and clear that up.

• 57:06Mike Smith?

  That's a great, yeah.

• 57:08Speaker 01

  I would love to know more about like the shady shit our government does too, but I'm more just want to know about aliens.

• 57:15Jeff Larson?

  That, that's where I thought you're going is like, how much cover up did the government do?

• 57:20Speaker 01

  No, I think I've kind of accepted that whatever I kind of think they might do, they're probably doing a lot worse than that. And that's just kind of the new reality for me, but yeah.

• 57:31Jeff Larson?

  I had the drones as a backup if one of you stole RAGA.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:38Jeff Larson?

  I also want to ask him, just like, how come the cutest animals have like the hardest time surviving? You know, like koalas, they are like, what, like seventy, eighty percent have chlamydia?

• 57:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:54Jeff Larson?

  Pandas.

• 57:54Mike Smith?

  Depends on what you think is cute. You know?

• 57:56Jeff Larson?

  Only freaking bamboo and like can't hardly survive at all anywhere but like one tiny little spot or something.

• 58:04Mike Smith?

  Yeah, sure.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  You think squirrels are cute, though, and they're doing great.

• 58:08Jeff Larson?

  That's true.

• 58:09Mike Smith?

  There's a little wrinkle in there.

• 58:11Jeff Larson?

  Cutest foxes.

• 58:14Speaker 01

  Foxes are really cute.

• 58:15Mike Smith?

  Red pandas?

• 58:15Speaker 01

  Great.

• 58:16Jeff Larson?

  I don't think red pandas are doing very good.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  Nah, they're not.

• 58:20Mike Smith?

  Well, there you go. Some more ammunition.

• 58:23Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, raccoons, raccoons are doing pretty good.

• 58:26Mike Smith?

  Yeah.

• 58:27Jeff Larson?

  Alright, so if you could give yourself advice at the start of the year, January, and it's not investment advice, advice, what would you tell yourself?

• 58:40Mike Smith?

  I'm going to something pretty dorky here. It was, I was due. I think I already have dipped into that a little bit here, but I would tell myself, my hero academia, it's already bad. Just cut your losses now. Don't follow it through to the end. It's terrible. It will end badly and you'll regret ever wasting your time and emotional bandwidth on it. And screw it. Screw that. Screw that stupid manga.

• 59:03Jeff Larson?

  I like that answer. And I feel like you would probably still ignore yourself.

• 59:08Mike Smith?

  Probably would, yeah.

• 59:11Speaker 01

  Mine's, mine's kind of a sad one, but I would just like tell myself to cherish every minute with Bryce. So that would, that would definitely be the thing that I would say to myself.

• 59:22Jeff Larson?

  Maybe like get out of Africa day earlier.

• 59:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I like, I thought of like, oh, you know, look into the thing that ultimately killed her and figure all that out. But I kind of just think she was gonna leave regardless. So I just would have wanted to really cherish every minute.

• 59:40Mike Smith?

  Yeah.

• 59:41Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 59:42Mike Smith?

  That's nice.

• 59:42Jeff Larson?

  Or like give your past self technology to like turn Bryce into a robot.

• 59:49Speaker 01

  I don't want to turn her into a robot, but.

• 59:52Mike Smith?

  Is that?

• 59:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:54Jeff Larson?

  You probably couldn't give yourself that.

• 59:56Mike Smith?

  Yeah.

• 59:57Speaker 01

  Future.

• 59:59Jeff Larson?

  Well, if you could write it on the note, like the, the, you know, algebra.

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  You lost me even more there.

• 1:00:09Jeff Larson?

  Uh, mine would be to go to physical therapy because I've been.

• 1:00:14Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:00:15Jeff Larson?

  I actually haven't been still. I had to wait like three months to go to it, but I finally got diagnosed that a sports hernia and I've been like Googling YouTube tutorials of physical therapy because my doctor finally, after all these four years of doctors telling me different things, like he's pretty confident physical therapy would help me. And honestly, like my first day of just YouTube at home, physical therapy gave me so much relief from the chronic back pain I've had. So like, I wish I would have done that earlier. I even think.

• 1:00:53Speaker 01

  That's great.

• 1:00:53Jeff Larson?

  Like subscriber and friend JJ, a year ago, told me I should try physical therapy. And I was like, well, I go to a chiropractor. Maybe you should try a chiropractor. And he was right.

• 1:01:10Jeff Larson?

  Next one. A news story you want to share unrelated to animals.

• 1:01:17Jeff Larson?

  So I want, I'm pretty excited about my answer for this one.

• 1:01:21Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:01:21Jeff Larson?

  I just think 2024, what I'll always remember about this year is the Haley Welsh, the Hawk Tua girl.

• 1:01:30Speaker 01

  That was what I picked too.

• 1:01:32Jeff Larson?

  No way.

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  I picked her meme coin thing and just, yeah.

• 1:01:36Jeff Larson?

  Well, mine's like her whole, her whole run. We can, we can combine on it because.

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Just a speed.

• 1:01:43Jeff Larson?

  People know her story.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:45Jeff Larson?

  But it's like one joke that was like kind of funny from like a girl who was like attractive, but wasn't, I don't know. It's just like very interesting that she became as famous as she did from just like one drunken joke, you know?

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  She capitalized better than anyone ever has.

• 1:02:07Mike Smith?

  It's amazing. There's so many people that have had moments like that and she.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  Right. She, I gotta give her credit for that much.

• 1:02:13Mike Smith?

  Me too. Yeah.

• 1:02:15Jeff Larson?

  I don't even know if I do though, because I think it all fell in her lap a lot. Sure. I don't know. Like, I went to a a fight, I think it's PFL in Salt Lake. And it was like a week after it happened and people were just yelling like, give him the Hawk Tuah. And the whole audience would just laugh. And it just kept going on like throughout the country like that. Hawk Tuah was just like, you could get laughs out of everyone if you gave the Hawk Tuah joke.

• 1:02:45Jeff Larson?

  Some real idiocracy stuff happening. And like, she was working as hard as she could actually to get it off the internet. She was embarrassed. She was concerned. And then like, uh, was gonna sue the guy who made the video. So that's where I don't give her full credit, but then I think people started inviting her to like parties and stuff. And then like, she was very likeable and she's a funny girl. So then like, I think that it kept building and then people are like, oh, I actually kind of like her. Well, she sounds like one of the country bears too. Like she has the coolest cartoon voice ever. She starts a podcast that like, I mean, we've been working hard. Wes does like a ton.

• 1:03:30Jeff Larson?

  We all do a lot of research, especially Wes. Wes has like master's degree in animals. We tell interesting stories. Hawk Tuah comes on the scene of podcasting and is like the number one podcast in the world. Her first three weeks of like doing podcasts. And it's just insane. What a run. And then just to have this meme coin come out where she just like rug pulls all of the people who bought it. I'm positive it wasn't like her planning. And then when they like hold the Twitter space to correct it, she's just like, okay, y'all, well, I'm gonna go to bed.

• 1:04:11Jeff Larson?

  Toodles. And then like, she's like five days of silence after that. No, she's like, people like hadn't heard from her in weeks. And then the other day she posted something from her lawyers. For me,

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  Her, her rise to fame makes me kinda wanna die, to be honest. Like, it makes me feel so empty.

• 1:04:29Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  But the, the Hawk Coin is what I wanted to talk about because the fact that there are people out there that invested tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars into a cryptocurrency.

• 1:04:42Jeff Larson?

  Well, she was gonna do it the right way.

• 1:04:45Speaker 01

  Right. That was started by the Hawk Tua Girl and they then were like upset when it turned into a rug pull and they lost all their money. It, that couldn't happen to people that are bigger rubes, in my opinion. I'm sorry if someone out there lost money to this, but like, don't invest in this stuff. It's fake, you know?

• 1:05:06Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  It's so stupid. So that was mine, but.

• 1:05:09Jeff Larson?

  But Tooth and Claw Coin, like, we actually.

• 1:05:12Speaker 01

  Claw Coin's coming out soon.

• 1:05:14Jeff Larson?

  Claw Coin, Claw Coin, like, it's dialed in. So don't worry about it.

• 1:05:19Speaker 01

  I did wanna say before I said mine, this was a really heavy year for me as far as news goes, and we tend to keep it pretty light on this podcast, so we don't talk about a lot of that. And I tend to keep my opinions away from it. So if, if you ever wanna know more about kind of the things that impacted me the most, just follow my personal Instagram, cuz I do talk about it a lot there. But as far as the podcast is concerned, we kind of have a, an agreement between the three of us to keep it light.

• 1:05:47Mike Smith?

  You just reminded me to unfollow you. Hold on.

• 1:05:51Jeff Larson?

  I.

• 1:05:52Mike Smith?

  Not really.

• 1:05:53Jeff Larson?

  My, what I always try to remind Wes, because he is like, very glued in on like, a lot of very important things.

• 1:06:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:03Jeff Larson?

  But like, our message on animals is very important, so that's, should always be our number one thing, is like, conservation and animals.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  And it is.

• 1:06:14Jeff Larson?

  And how do we help animals? And we don't wanna like, distance that message by getting in the weeds with too many other things.

• 1:06:21Speaker 01

  I get that. And like, I didn't need a, like, a reminder for that. I know that that's like.

• 1:06:25Jeff Larson?

  No, I'm just talking to the listeners.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. But I, things happened this year that seemed a lot more important to me than wildlife. And for someone whose entire life is revolving around wildlife, that was a real wake-up call for me. And again, follow me if you wanna hear me talk more about that.

• 1:06:43Jeff Larson?

  All right. Most overrated thing of 2024?

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  I'm gonna go first on this one, cuz I feel strongly about this one. AI, I hate AI. I hate how much it's being worked into everything that we do. I hate, especially when it comes to art, how cheap it makes things and like weird looking and uncanny valley. And then the biggest thing that I hate about it is how ecologically terrible it is. Like, the amount of water that these processors use is ungodly, just to cool them off. And I just want people to think carefully about how you use AI. Because it can be really destructive for our planet. And I think it can be destructive to the human condition.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Because when we take away art and we allow, you know, computers to make art based off of what they've learned from us, we're getting a cheapened version of art. And, and I think that affects us in ways that we don't fully comprehend.

• 1:07:46Jeff Larson?

  Should we commit to never turning our podcast AI?

• 1:07:49Speaker 01

  We're not using AI. I'm committing right now. I'm not using it for anything, for art, for research. I, like, I even have disabled it as much as I can for searches, everything. I don't like AI. So it's overrated, in my opinion.

• 1:08:04Mike Smith?

  It's a good shout out. I like that. I'm gonna go with the Terrifier movies, the Terrifier 3. But just as a whole, those movies, they're not scary enough to be horror films, not funny enough to be comedy. The body horror in them is like so stupid and over the top that it stops meaning anything to me. So it's like, what am I left with? And they're overly long, too. They're like two and three or like two and a half hours long. It's crazy. I don't know what we're doing here.

• 1:08:30Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:08:31Jeff Larson?

  Alright, uh, my most overrated thing is celebrities and commercials. I think that, like, commercials have stopped trying. You see the same commercial way more often than we used to, too. And then, like, I think that they just feel like if they get a celebrity, they don't need actual jokes. There's one with two really funny people, Martin Short and what's his name?

• 1:08:58Speaker 01

  Is it Luke Wilson?

• 1:08:59Jeff Larson?

  Steve Martin. From like, Steve Martin.

• 1:09:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. And no one is funnier than Martin Short, too. Martin Short's so funny. I love that guy.

• 1:09:07Jeff Larson?

  And it's like being about a parasitical relationship with whales. And he's like, I know all about parasitical. It's like, not a real joke. It's so, I don't know.

• 1:09:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:18Jeff Larson?

  And I just feel like-

• 1:09:19Speaker 01

  I agree with you fully.

• 1:09:20Jeff Larson?

  Commercials, Snoop Dogg's in every single freaking commercial now. Like, I'm just a little tired of it.

• 1:09:28Speaker 01

  Movies just drop cameos in and it's, it's just that whole thing of people being like, oh, I know that guy. Member berries? Yeah, it gives you like a little shot of serotonin and it's not real. I agree with you, Jeff.

• 1:09:42Jeff Larson?

  Most underrated thing of 2024. I can start. I think it's pretty highly rated, but it's still underrated, is the Sphere. The Sphere is so cool.

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  It changed your life.

• 1:09:58Jeff Larson?

  UFC at the Sphere was like the coolest event I've ever been to.

• 1:10:02Speaker 01

  I wish I would have gone to that with you.

• 1:10:03Jeff Larson?

  I wanna go to a concert now.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:06Jeff Larson?

  Any invite from you guys to like, let's go see this at the Sphere. It's like an immediate yes from me.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, I wanna go too. Mike, you wanna go next?

• 1:10:16Mike Smith?

  I do. I'm gonna go with, uh, I think the Willy Wonka experience. Do you remember that whole fiasco?

• 1:10:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:22Mike Smith?

  I think it's a little underrated. It was like thirty dollars to get in.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:26Mike Smith?

  And like, I think I would have gotten my money's worth out of that. It just looked like such a fun disaster to walk through. I don't know. Like, people were on the internet, you would have thought that like, someone had shot their dog or something, how offended they were at how bad it was. And it's like, come on. It's a stupid thing for kids. Sure, they overpromised. There was AI involved and that was kinda sick and stupid, but like, I don't know. It seems ridiculous, the way we all responded to it.

• 1:10:54Jeff Larson?

  What was like the character that had like nothing to do with Willy Wonka? Wasn't there like a silver guy?

• 1:11:00Mike Smith?

  There was like a weird shadow guy.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:11:03Mike Smith?

  And then there's like a kinda destitute looking Oompa Loompa standing at a meth lab or something. It was amazing.

• 1:11:10Jeff Larson?

  They like all had to like, go on social media to explain themselves.

• 1:11:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was great. An underrated thing I picked is I feel like this is kind of a big issue thing again, but like, I feel like there's this growing class consciousness that's happening in America right now. That is like kind of an upswell that I'm really excited about. I kind of feel like people on both sides of our political divide that we have in this country are kind of saying like, enough is enough with some of the shit that we have to deal with. And it's kind of exciting to see that happening. And I'm like, I, we tend to stay out of politics, but like for me,

• 1:11:57Speaker 01

  the thing that I've realized more and more is it's kind of the ruling class versus everyone else in our country.

• 1:12:03Jeff Larson?

  That's what I was gonna say.

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:12:05Jeff Larson?

  It's like, I feel like it's kind of unifying because we were like so, we've been so divisive, but like ultra conservative and ultra left. They agree on a lot of that, you know?

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think that's always been the case, but I think we've been fed this kind of message that it's not that like, our, our fellow man is our enemy when it's not like our enemy are these billionaires and these corporations. And these people that are making life worse for everyone. And people are catching on to that and that is exciting to me. It's invigorating and it's underrated. So I'm excited to see it happen more and more.

• 1:12:46Mike Smith?

  Yeah, I, I've loved seeing people come, I'm not talking about any specific story, but when I see people agree that are on opposite ends of the spectrum, it's really heartwarming. I really, I love seeing that.

• 1:12:58Jeff Larson?

  Well, you were saying that the day, Mike, that you wouldn't mind getting nuked by Russia. If we got nuked by Russia, you're kind of in for that.

• 1:13:07Mike Smith?

  Uh, did I? I don't remember saying that. I'll, I'll think about that.

• 1:13:11Jeff Larson?

  You wanna, you wanna mix things up a bit.

• 1:13:15Mike Smith?

  Shake it up.

• 1:13:16Jeff Larson?

  Get a shake up.

• 1:13:17Mike Smith?

  I could see myself saying something like that.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  We could pick a new system, not capitalism afterwards.

• 1:13:24Mike Smith?

  Yeah. No, I watched Oppenheimer. I don't want anyone to get nuked. That looked bad. That looked like it hurt.

• 1:13:30Jeff Larson?

  Bad stuff there. Even if you don't get blown up, there's still like, stuff gets in the air, you know?

• 1:13:38Mike Smith?

  Radiation, radiation. Is that probably what you're referring to?

• 1:13:44Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, I think there's even other stuff in there, too.

• 1:13:48Mike Smith?

  Probably.

• 1:13:50Jeff Larson?

  All right. Something to be optimistic about for 2025 in the world. Mine is Hogal Zoo again. One of the zookeepers thinks the polar bear might be pregnant and like,

• 1:14:02Mike Smith?

  Oh.

• 1:14:03Jeff Larson?

  Man, baby gorilla is so cute. Baby snow leopards are so cute, but like a baby polar bear will top both of those pretty easily.

• 1:14:11Mike Smith?

  I think so. That is exciting.

• 1:14:13Jeff Larson?

  They'll probably ship it off right when it's born, huh?

• 1:14:17Mike Smith?

  Sure. That'd be sad. I don't want that to happen. Let's pick it. Let's go up with some signs. Gather up a crowd of people and protest. I don't want that. I'm gonna go with the blood testing for Alzheimer's, having made like some pretty significant leaps forward this past year. And it looks like even more clinical trials and applications even in 2025 are on the slate. And that's like a really big deal to me. I,

• 1:14:43Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:43Mike Smith?

  There's just family history.

• 1:14:45Jeff Larson?

  Cured cancer, right? Did you see that?

• 1:14:48Mike Smith?

  I did see that. That's right.

• 1:14:49Speaker 01

  Cuba has.

• 1:14:50Mike Smith?

  I'm going with that, actually. Never mind. Yeah. Russia cured cancer. Thanks. Thanks, Putin.

• 1:14:57Speaker 01

  I, I kind of, I picked one that's a little sentimental, but it's, I'm just really excited for Tooth and Glove. Like, I'm excited for us to go weekly. I'm excited to see our community grow. I think for me, with the Treadwell episodes, it really hit like how much our little podcast means to people. And like, that was really nice to see. Like, it made me feel really good. And I think we've kind of gotten a taste of that on these trips that we lead to. And I'm excited for those trips this year. I'm really excited for you guys to see your first Jaguar.

• 1:15:32Mike Smith?

  Indiana.

• 1:15:33Speaker 01

  So that's, yeah, that's kind of my. My big one, I my kind of stupid one off, it's a throwaway is I'm actually really excited for the new Jurassic movie.

• 1:15:44Mike Smith?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:44Speaker 01

  Because Gareth Edwards is directing it and he's done all these interviews where he says he wants to take it back.

• 1:15:49Jeff Larson?

  He's real, he's using real dinosaurs.

• 1:15:52Speaker 01

  He's not, but he's using real locations, which to me really matters. And he said that he wants it to be like tense and suspense filled like the original. So I'm excited for it.

• 1:16:03Jeff Larson?

  Don't you think Tooth and Claw, we can't really go up anymore though?

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've peaked. It's all downhill.

• 1:16:09Jeff Larson?

  We did treadmill and like, what? Two years ago, we won the best road trip award and now we won best podcast award.

• 1:16:19Speaker 01

  Best outdoor, best outdoor podcast. Yeah.

• 1:16:21Mike Smith?

  Oh, really? Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  Best podcast. Yeah.

• 1:16:25Mike Smith?

  Cool.

• 1:16:25Jeff Larson?

  No, it's best podcast. I don't think it's best outdoor.

• 1:16:28Speaker 01

  For the outdoor media awards.

• 1:16:30Mike Smith?

  Right.

• 1:16:30Jeff Larson?

  But they gave us best podcast.

• 1:16:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:16:33Mike Smith?

  Exactly.

• 1:16:33Speaker 01

  Like in the category of outdoor podcasts.

• 1:16:36Mike Smith?

  No, you're all, yeah.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:16:37Jeff Larson?

  They didn't, they didn't put it in there. They did not say that.

• 1:16:41Speaker 01

  All right.

• 1:16:42Jeff Larson?

  They said best podcast, Tooth and Claw.

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, you're right.

• 1:16:46Jeff Larson?

  So I don't know what we win next.

• 1:16:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all downhill. It really is, but I mean, that's what I'm excited for.

• 1:16:52Jeff Larson?

  And we share, we share that with our, with our toothies.

• 1:16:57Speaker 01

  We do.

• 1:16:57Jeff Larson?

  You're, you're part of the best podcast award that we got this year.

• 1:17:02Mike Smith?

  Yeah. Not good enough to get you to the Christmas party on Discord though, Wes, huh?

• 1:17:06Speaker 01

  I know. I honestly like at six, it started at seven and at six 30, I was like, oh, Discord thing is starting soon. And then I just completely forgot after that. I know. I feel stupid.

• 1:17:17Mike Smith?

  It's fair. They forgave you. But if anyone is curious or looking for maybe a little bit bigger chunk of the community, community to be a part of, uh, hop on Discord, subscribe to us. Uh, they put on all kinds of fun events. There's movie nights.

• 1:17:31Speaker 01

  We.

• 1:17:32Mike Smith?

  All kinds of stuff.

• 1:17:33Jeff Larson?

  The Discord is like only subscribers, right? Or can anyone go on there?

• 1:17:39Mike Smith?

  It's only opener subscribers right now. Yeah, right now, that's the case.

• 1:17:44Speaker 01

  Yep, it's just a perk of subscribing, you know? We gotta keep those perks up there.

• 1:17:47Jeff Larson?

  And how should they get on there, Mike?

• 1:17:49Mike Smith?

  Well, once you subscribe, especially to Patreon, you'll automatically be sent a link to join. If somehow you missed that, just let us know in an email or something. Or if you're part of the Griz Club, email us and we can send you a link that'll get you right in there, pretty quick and easy.

• 1:18:05Jeff Larson?

  Or you can DM me on Instagram and I'll give it to you.

• 1:18:09Mike Smith?

  That's it.

• 1:18:10Jeff Larson?

  If you DM Tooth and Claw, I might get it to you, but we get a lot of DMs on there and I get sensory overload sometimes.

• 1:18:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's probably something good to bring up for 2025 is like, as this thing grows, we get a lot of contacts from a lot of people, a lot of DMs, emails, everything. And it's really just the three of us and mine and Jeff's mom, who's and then my friend Imogen, who's helping out with this kind of stuff, Imogen. So there's just really, if your stuff doesn't get answered, we're sorry, is what I'm trying to say. But it might not, there's a decent chance it won't. There's like, it's hard for us to stay on top of it.

• 1:18:48Mike Smith?

  We almost missed messages from HBO looking to partner with us. And that was like a big opportunity for us. Who knows what we've missed at this point?

• 1:18:56Jeff Larson?

  Like on our main email?

• 1:18:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, so if you've sent us something important, like really important that we've missed, do send it back in.

• 1:19:04Mike Smith?

  Yeah, please.

• 1:19:05Speaker 01

  Just so you know, like, we miss a lot of stuff, so anyway.

• 1:19:09Jeff Larson?

  I was like, hey, this HBO guy says that like he wants the...

• 1:19:16Mike Smith?

  Something about like giving us money to like do stuff for them? I don't know, does that sound legit?

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  All right, should we wrap it up?

• 1:19:24Jeff Larson?

  All right, well, thank you, everyone, for sticking with us for another year. And tell your friends about Tooth and Claw if you want to, or don't.

• 1:19:35Speaker 01

  Or don't.

• 1:19:35Jeff Larson?

  If you don't want to, if you want to keep it to yourself, that's fine.

• 1:19:39Mike Smith?

  If I had friends, I wouldn't tell them.

• 1:19:42Jeff Larson?

  I'm pretty sure Mike tells people not to listen when they find out.

• 1:19:47Mike Smith?

  I did just yesterday.

• 1:19:50Jeff Larson?

  So yeah, you could go either approach, I guess. But we appreciate it. All of you who do talk about us and tag us. Thank you so much and we're excited for 2025.

• 1:20:03Mike Smith?

  Yep. Thanks, everyone.

• 1:20:04Jeff Larson?

  All right. Do you love him?

• 1:20:06Mike Smith?

  We love you. We love you.

• 1:20:10Jeff Larson?

  All right. Bye, see you.

• 1:20:11Mike Smith?

  Yeah.