iOS 10, Sierra, and bookstore bathrooms

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• 0:00Nilay Patel?

  Welcome to The Vergecast, the flagship podcast of The Verge.com. Yeah. Sponsored, and I legitimately mean sponsored, by Scissor Vodka. You'll find out later. Cut through the night. A vodka that I made up. It doesn't exist, but I made it up.

• 0:15Nilay Patel?

  And every week I beg for money. Mm-hmm. And this week, we have a little bit of money. I'm not kidding. Scissor Vodka. Cut through the night.

• 0:31Nilay Patel?

  Anyway, all-star panel, Verge founders. Hmm. Great show. Mm-hmm. Good stuff. Joanna Stern is here.

• 0:40Speaker 01

  I'm here.

• 0:41Nilay Patel?

  Good. Dieter Bone, in person, live in New York City, is here.

• 0:45Speaker 02

  And sitting directly across from you, so if I want to just look forward, I'm staring directly into your eyes.

• 0:51Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 0:51Speaker 02

  It's a little much.

• 0:52Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, that's how I do it.

• 0:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 0:54Nilay Patel?

  Stop.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  That's what happens when you leave me. You come back and you sit in front of me.

• 0:57Nilay Patel?

  Look at me.

• 0:57Speaker 02

  You tell me why you left.

• 0:58Nilay Patel?

  Ah!

• 0:59Speaker 01

  This really does feel like the opening scene of That 70's Show.

• 1:01Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  I mean, the, you know, the credits.

• 1:04Nilay Patel?

  Paul Miller, Lighten That Blood.

• 1:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, you know.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  Yes. I remember.

• 1:09Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 1:10Speaker 03

  Marijuana.

• 1:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:14Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, so if it gets weird, no, it gets weird. So Joanna's turn. How are you? Joanna has her MacBook open. And she's playing with her phone. Scissor Vodka is a terrible joke.

• 1:25Speaker 01

  This is completely dead.

• 1:27Nilay Patel?

  There's a Scissor Vodka website.

• 1:28Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:29Nilay Patel?

  Here's what I know. This vodka doesn't exist.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:32Nilay Patel?

  Yet. There's a trademark. Francis Ford Coppola owns the Tejeras vodka trademark, or just Tejeras. We're all spirits except beer, so if anyone wants to start Scissor Beer, it's a thing we can do. But I, one day, will start a vodka company.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  But is this your website?

• 1:50Nilay Patel?

  No, it's a Vergecast fans' website. Yeah.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Oh, and he paid you money for the podcast, or that's a joke?

• 1:56Nilay Patel?

  Someone, you'll see.

• 1:58Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:59Nilay Patel?

  Podcast advertising is about to enter an entirely new and extremely strange phase.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  Got it.

• 2:05Nilay Patel?

  And this company is about to earn their money's worth.

• 2:08Speaker 02

  Well, how is it that we haven't thought to bring an actual pair of scissors on the show to make sound effects?

• 2:13Speaker 01

  I think that could be edited in.

• 2:15Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:15Speaker 01

  Insert scissors' sounds right here.

• 2:17Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, right here.

• 2:25Nilay Patel?

  Sterna, how are you, man? What's going on?

• 2:27Speaker 01

  I'm good. Just, uh, living the life.

• 2:31Nilay Patel?

  Every time we have you on the show, it's like, Joanna, say something. And you're like, nah.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  I'm okay. I've done a lot of podcasts over the last couple of weeks.

• 2:39Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, you and I have been like chasing each other around the podcast circuit.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  I've been doing the podcast circuit. It's, uh, it pays zero money. I've made no money on the podcast circuit and, um, no good reviews, really. No one seems to really, I mean, they seem okay with it.

• 2:55Speaker 03

  I feel like the big Joanna theme in my life is that Neely brings up all the times, like, you know, the thing that's true, Joanna pointed it out, is that all people care about is phone battery life right now.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  That's right.

• 3:11Nilay Patel?

  As I say it every morning. I walk into The Verge and they're like, what are we covering? And they're like, all this news. I'm like, the only thing people give a shit about is phone battery life.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  I want to point out to the listeners that Joanna is still using Apple's battery hump case.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  I am.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  Does it come in other finishes other than this grippy, sticky, super gross?

• 3:30Speaker 01

  That's for my lunch.

• 3:32Speaker 02

  This thing is not aging well.

• 3:33Speaker 01

  No, that's, that's awesome. My hands are always, my hands are filthy.

• 3:37Speaker 02

  But, but a good case should stand up to that and, and age with like grace and dignity, like the Apple leather case. This thing is aging.

• 3:46Nilay Patel?

  My Apple leather case is aging like garbage.

• 3:48Speaker 02

  No, that's, that's grace and dignity. That looks like distressed in quality.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  This is something you really can't test for when you do the original review, right? Except I did the review with the white case that Apple gave me.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:58Speaker 01

  And that thing looks like a pair of dirty socks.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  Like, just gross. After like three days. So I decided when I was going to buy this, because I love this product so much, um, and nobody else really does, but I think it's great. I was going to get it in this one, and you're totally right. It picks up a lot of grease, um, but I've dropped the phone so many times and it's still protected.

• 4:23Speaker 02

  I mean, if the, if the headphone jack thing turns out to be true, instead of buying a new iPhone,

• 4:27Nilay Patel?

  Five podcasts about the headphone jack. A new record.

• 4:28Speaker 02

  I'm buying this case and that's going to be like my new iPhone gift in September. Instead of buying the new iPhone, I'm going to buy that horrible case.

• 4:35Speaker 01

  So what, what, it's going to, it's going to improve your battery life?

• 4:37Speaker 02

  Well, because, you know, iPhone's battery is like, they, they're good for like a year.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  And then they just fall off a cliff and you like, don't know why. And you like, reformat the phone and maybe that will help, but who knows?

• 4:47Speaker 01

  You can buy one for 80 bucks. You know that? I wrote that in my column this week.

• 4:50Nilay Patel?

  In your battery?

• 4:51Speaker 01

  Eighty dollars, just go to the Apple store.

• 4:52Nilay Patel?

  What else did you write in your column this week? Scoop, scoop ice for Stern.

• 4:56Speaker 01

  Hundred dollars for this case, or a hundred and thirty dollars for this case, or something like that.

• 5:00Nilay Patel?

  You really don't want to talk to scoop?

• 5:02Speaker 01

  I know, my scoop.

• 5:04Nilay Patel?

  Let's get right into the news.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Let's get right into the news.

• 5:06Nilay Patel?

  Play the news sound effect.

• 5:07Speaker 02

  Snip, snip.

• 5:10Speaker 01

  Also, the ice cream scooper sound effect, here.

• 5:13Speaker 02

  What does that sound like?

• 5:15Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 5:15Nilay Patel?

  Everybody, wait, everybody, everybody?

• 5:17Speaker 03

  You dip it into the water, and then you like shake it off.

• 5:20Speaker 02

  But what if it's the scoop with the little like, uh, ice cream lever that like unscoops it from the thing?

• 5:27Nilay Patel?

  We bought one of those scoops that, um, it transmits the heat from your hand.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  It's got like antifreeze inside it, and you like shake it?

• 5:34Speaker 01

  That's a thing.

• 5:34Nilay Patel?

  You ever seen one of these? They're really cool. But then you're not supposed to put them in the dishwasher.

• 5:38Speaker 01

  Because...

• 5:39Speaker 02

  They have antifreeze inside them.

• 5:40Nilay Patel?

  And then we did that thing. Uh, and that thing, it just, I don't, I don't know how to say...

• 5:46Speaker 02

  It could no longer scoop ice cream.

• 5:47Nilay Patel?

  The ice cream scoop stopped working! But it definitely stopped working.

• 5:54Speaker 01

  The part that lets you do the heat to the scoop?

• 5:57Nilay Patel?

  It just started being a really ineffective ice cream scoop.

• 6:00Speaker 01

  It's not, so you're saying without that feature, it's not very good?

• 6:03Nilay Patel?

  Yes, without its main feature. Anyway, Joanna had a scoop this week, right into the news.

• 6:08Speaker 01

  Right into it.

• 6:08Nilay Patel?

  Tons of Apple stuff going on.

• 6:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's been, that's what my life has been this week, is writing about iPhones and iOS 10.

• 6:16Nilay Patel?

  We gotta get deep in iOS 10 with you, but you had a little scoop?

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I did. I wrote a column about, you know, what might seem very obvious, but to many of my readers and to many people, it doesn't, it isn't obvious, which is that I have long said, June comes around, you don't buy a new iPhone.

• 6:30Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  Um, and I heard from many people that have just recently bought an iPhone and now regret that, and so they're gonna go return them. Sorry, Apple. Um, but, uh, so that was the, the premise of the piece was about, you know, these rumors that we've been hearing, or the reporting that the, that some of my colleagues at the Journal have done. Um, and I had a little bit of extra reporting in there, was that the new iPhone, which we don't know if it will be called the iPhone 7. I actually never called it once the iPhone 7 in there, because we don't know what it'd be called, and I couldn't have, I didn't have any sources that had said that that was the confirmed name.

• 6:59Nilay Patel?

  iPhone 6SS.

• 7:02Speaker 01

  I said in the piece that it should be called the Air Pro.

• 7:04Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 7:05Speaker 01

  The iPhone Air Pro.

• 7:07Nilay Patel?

  That's pretty good.

• 7:07Speaker 01

  Pro Plus. So yeah, the scoop was that it will not start at 16 gigabytes, it will start at 32 gigabytes.

• 7:15Nilay Patel?

  You mean the number should have always started at?

• 7:17Speaker 01

  The number, it should have started out for the last two or three years, yes.

• 7:19Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 7:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:21Nilay Patel?

  It's a good scoop. It's fair, I like it.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I'm excited about it.

• 7:26Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  Right? It's another reason you should wait. Because right now, you're gonna buy a phone at 650 and you're only gonna get 16 gigabytes.

• 7:33Speaker 02

  Which is bonkers.

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:35Speaker 02

  Like legit bonkers.

• 7:36Nilay Patel?

  But the theory is that they just want you to update, just try to absolutely, right?

• 7:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I also think, I think there's a couple of reasons. One, storage prices are going down and it costs them $0 to get 32 gigabytes more. I think if we believe that the camera's gonna get better, the photos will be bigger and that'd be really some bullshit if they only had 16 gigabytes for bigger photos.

• 7:56Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  Which I called them out for last year.

• 7:58Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Right? They introduced 4K video recording, takes up, what, five times the space of?

• 8:02Nilay Patel?

  But they buried the setting.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  They buried the setting.

• 8:05Nilay Patel?

  It's actually really hard to turn on 4K video recording.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  It is, but then why do you have it?

• 8:07Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 8:08Speaker 01

  Some people are gonna shoot with it and they should get some space.

• 8:11Nilay Patel?

  They're gonna buy that one.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Okay, live photos then. My other, this is better.

• 8:14Nilay Patel?

  I only turned on live photos the first time yesterday.

• 8:16Speaker 02

  I convinced Nilay to turn live photos on all the time.

• 8:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:19Speaker 02

  Nonstop because of the Motion Stills app, which is my, this is the thing I meant to publish today, didn't. Maybe I'll publish it before the podcast airs. It's my favorite way to look at photos now.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:30Speaker 02

  Like, I don't look at Google Photos, I don't look at Apple's Photos app. I take a bunch of photos and then I browse through Motion Stills. And like, I know what the photo is, if I really want to just get the photo, I can go get it. But you will always see these like cute little surprises in Motion Stills that make it totally worth it to take live photos. So I took a picture of my wife and her mother and then my nephew ran into the scene and like photobombed it.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  This is such a great tip, by the way.

• 8:56Speaker 02

  Instead of just having the photobomb of like him and the still picture, there was like the picture of them posing and then all of a sudden the little kid just runs into the background like, hey, it's me!

• 9:04Speaker 01

  This is such a good tip because I don't open it every day and I have been taking a lot of live photos and I'm just like have noticed that the setting's on.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:11Speaker 01

  And you don't like, it's annoying, you have to go press, you know.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  You have to press every single one. I never would have seen him photobomb it, it would have just been a picture of them. But because it was a live photo, when I was scrolling through it, I saw him run into the frame.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Right, and I guess I didn't realize I was taking live photos during the fireworks.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, which is a way better way to put your fireworks photos up.

• 9:27Speaker 01

  And you guys did a piece about that, that was really good. I use that as a tip.

• 9:31Speaker 02

  That was my idea.

• 9:32Nilay Patel?

  Google app that makes Apple hardware much more useful.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  Dude, I'm blowing up my spot.

• 9:37Nilay Patel?

  Is that your piece?

• 9:38Speaker 02

  It's my whole piece.

• 9:39Nilay Patel?

  But look, the podcast listeners, everyone stop what you're doing.

• 9:43Speaker 01

  And write it right now.

• 9:44Speaker 02

  Read the, read the story that I will totally finish tonight.

• 9:47Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. And then, don't worry, because we're unstuck in time.

• 9:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:50Nilay Patel?

  We're pre-recording. You could act like this is done. Dieter published a great story today.

• 9:54Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 9:55Nilay Patel?

  I was dazing.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  Read a response off the charts.

• 9:57Nilay Patel?

  If you haven't read it.

• 9:58Speaker 02

  Be like, can you, can you edit a story tomorrow morning?

• 10:00Nilay Patel?

  Yes. We're working from the bar.

• 10:04Speaker 01

  Oh, look at this cute one of my dog.

• 10:05Speaker 02

  Right? You never would have seen that.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, and I always do try and take live photos at the, at the dog park. Oh, he's humping another dog. Yeah, he's so cute. But I never go back and look at him. This is awesome. This is a great story.

• 10:18Nilay Patel?

  Photos are hard to see. Okay.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  You guys should read the story.

• 10:21Nilay Patel?

  So talk to me at iOS time, Joanna. Get Joanna. Joanna's just looking at photos of her dog.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  Looking at her dog.

• 10:26Nilay Patel?

  How do you do so many podcasts and you're 20 feet away from the microphone? Now she's just digging around in her purse.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  I'm taking out my iOS 10 phone, so I can talk about it.

• 10:36Nilay Patel?

  Tell me about it.

• 10:38Speaker 01

  Telling you about it.

• 10:39Nilay Patel?

  Right now.

• 10:39Speaker 01

  Right now.

• 10:42Speaker 01

  Well.

• 10:44Nilay Patel?

  This is like.

• 10:45Speaker 01

  I think it's pretty great. I think it's pretty, I think it's, I mean, there's lots of updates in many of the core apps and, and it's good. And there's some updates that need to be there that aren't there.

• 10:53Nilay Patel?

  What's your favorite core app update?

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Messages.

• 10:55Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Okay.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  I'm obsessed with Messages.

• 10:57Nilay Patel?

  Don't count because there's like too much there.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Okay, so that was like, I did a little bit of a short look at the new, the new operating system today. And my big thing was the focus on Messages, which is that it's a lot of fun. But I compared it to amusement park, which is that it's a lot of fun, but incredibly chaotic. And you sort of just want to leave after you've had a little bit of fun. Because there's so many things. Yeah, it's like Dave and Buster's. That's right. Apple made Dave and Buster's in iMesses.

• 11:26Nilay Patel?

  I've never been to a Dave and Buster's.

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Really?

• 11:29Nilay Patel?

  It's.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  You need, we're going to go right after this.

• 11:32Speaker 02

  Hey, want to have a drink?

• 11:32Nilay Patel?

  Imagine Chuck E. Cheese, but without cute, fun animatronic bands.

• 11:36Speaker 01

  It's like an arcade, but like a boardwalk arcade. Is that right?

• 11:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:41Nilay Patel?

  Paul was gonna say something about David Busters.

• 11:45Speaker 03

  Oh, wait, no, I need you to explain, like, do you, it's like, that's it, I'm done talking to people because I've been having too much fun in messages.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  No, no, you just sort of are like, that's enough. We don't need to add any more.

• 11:56Speaker 03

  Let's calm down and have a very good conversation.

• 11:58Speaker 01

  We don't need to add any more firework animations or little GIFs or smileys that look like my hands. We don't need to add any of that. We just need to have a normal conversation.

• 12:06Nilay Patel?

  They need to enable like suit mode where you're like, you know what, let's just talk. Let's just be very serious right now.

• 12:12Speaker 01

  Also, it's just, my phone is completely frozen right now.

• 12:14Nilay Patel?

  Everything looks like a BBM in it.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Right. Well, so, no, like, let me just, I wish we could kind of like video demo this, but let me just show you the four places.

• 12:23Nilay Patel?

  It's an audio podcast.

• 12:24Speaker 01

  I know. I'm gonna use my words.

• 12:26Nilay Patel?

  I'll do it. Okay.

• 12:27Speaker 01

  Okay, so there are, there are four places where you can get options for, four, all right? So number one, four places, beginning with number one.

• 12:37Speaker 03

  Imagine the numeral four in your head.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Those are the number of places you can get to the new messaging settings, okay?

• 12:43Nilay Patel?

  How many places is it?

• 12:43Speaker 01

  So the first one here is next to the photo icon.

• 12:46Nilay Patel?

  This is one of four?

• 12:47Speaker 01

  This is force, what do they call it? Digital touch, okay? So they took the Apple Watch stuff and they put it here, okay? The stuff you never use on your Apple Watch, you now have on your iPhone.

• 12:58Nilay Patel?

  The whole pain. Do you send a heartbeat?

• 13:00Speaker 01

  You can do smileys, blah, blah, blah, you know, you can do.

• 13:04Nilay Patel?

  How do you send a heartbeat?

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Well, that's the weird thing. It's not really your heart, because, you know, you're, you don't, I mean, I guess.

• 13:09Speaker 03

  Is it not actually your heart?

• 13:11Speaker 01

  And you can do little fireballs.

• 13:13Speaker 03

  This is, this is the big question I want you to answer.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  All right, so this is hard because people can't see this, so.

• 13:18Nilay Patel?

  Oh, Joanna's sending me all kinds of garbage.

• 13:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm texting this all to Eli, right?

• 13:23Nilay Patel?

  My phone's just lit up with garbage.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  That's the first place. You can do all of this digital touch stuff, which frankly, you're really probably never gonna do unless you're like, I don't know.

• 13:32Nilay Patel?

  So explain, explain the heartbeat thing.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  I actually don't know the answer to that.

• 13:38Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 13:38Speaker 03

  I'm gonna find out.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  So you can take a photo in the digital touch thing and you can doodle on your face and do stuff and send that to your loved ones. So that's the first place, okay?

• 13:48Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 13:48Speaker 01

  Second place is in here, which I think is gonna be the most useful, which is where you have like your stickers, your images, GIFs, things that you want to insert. So these are Apples.

• 13:57Speaker 02

  Can you get GIFs too?

• 13:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 13:59Nilay Patel?

  Oh, the Mime Hands are back.

• 14:01Speaker 01

  The Mime Hands are back, full force.

• 14:02Nilay Patel?

  No one had nightmares about those when the Apple Watch came out.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  And this one's sort of like a little grope.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Can you search?

• 14:07Speaker 01

  This seems like a new one. Look at this one.

• 14:08Speaker 02

  Can you search all those little apps and GIFs and stickers, or do you have to?

• 14:12Speaker 01

  You can go to, so then you have the, so these are some of their other ones, right? Then, so on the Images pane here, you can search.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  Right. That's a lot of swiping to get to that.

• 14:21Speaker 01

  A lot of swiping.

• 14:22Nilay Patel?

  Do you think Johnny, those are Johnny Ive's hands? Like, he went into the Mocap studio in like a green unitard with like white gloves and he was just like, "I love you!"

• 14:31Speaker 01

  This is my favorite one. This is like the grope from underneath one.

• 14:35Speaker 02

  There's what?

• 14:36Speaker 01

  Look at this one. It's like, what?

• 14:40Nilay Patel?

  I would describe that as...

• 14:41Speaker 02

  I think that's supposed to be whoop whoop.

• 14:42Speaker 03

  Is that raising the roof?

• 14:44Speaker 01

  Is that what that is supposed to be?

• 14:45Nilay Patel?

  I'd like to point out once again that this is a radio program.

• 14:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:49Nilay Patel?

  And we're describing...

• 14:49Speaker 02

  There's two hands up in the air.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  So those are the two places we've gone through, right, so far? Those are, the first one is the digital touch.

• 14:57Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  And then the second one is the sticker thing, right? So then, let's say I want to send you a message here. Okay, so just one last thing. So then if you press down on this blue up arrow, right? I wrote "Rock and Roll" to Neelai.

• 15:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  You can do the invisible ink.

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  You can do it with a gentle, a gentle, which makes the font size smaller. You can do a loud, which makes the message bubble bigger.

• 15:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  You can do all of this. Send with slam.

• 15:21Speaker 02

  It slams it into the screen.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  Then you can go over here to do the screen, which is another thing, which sends balloons with it, or confetti, or lasers, or fireworks, and more lasers. Okay, so that's another place, right?

• 15:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:36Speaker 01

  We've gone to three places. And then, you can click on this.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  What's on what?

• 15:40Speaker 01

  On the bubble.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  And you can react to that message this way, if it works.

• 15:47Nilay Patel?

  The kids love this stuff.

• 15:48Speaker 02

  So the

• 15:49Speaker 01

  So that is a lot of stuff.

• 15:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's and the

• 15:52Speaker 01

  And I did not discover half that stuff till like yesterday.

• 15:55Speaker 02

  The the problem I have with all this stuff isn't like, oh, my God, this is chaotic and crazy. It's like a carnival.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:00Speaker 02

  I mean, it is that it's that the range of emotion available to you

• 16:03Nilay Patel?

  Oh, that was really weird.

• 16:04Speaker 02

  Is all like cute and whimsical. Like, there's no, there's no like on screen effects for like, I don't know.

• 16:13Nilay Patel?

  So I obviously have I I obviously have iOS nine on this phone.

• 16:17Speaker 03

  Right. You can't have a serious conversation.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, all conversations in life are not happy.

• 16:22Nilay Patel?

  Wait, wait, hold on.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:23Nilay Patel?

  So I have iOS nine and Joanna's been texting me all these reactions.

• 16:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:26Nilay Patel?

  And

• 16:27Speaker 01

  It just says sent with, right?

• 16:28Nilay Patel?

  No, no, no, no, it's like, it sounds like you're insane. Like, I got, because it's in text. So I just got one from Joanna that says rock and rock. Don't know what that means.

• 16:39Speaker 01

  I think I did actually write that, though, by accident.

• 16:41Nilay Patel?

  You said rock and rock.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  Rock and rock.

• 16:42Nilay Patel?

  And then it says sent with shooting star in parentheses.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:45Nilay Patel?

  And then you reacted to a thing.

• 16:48Speaker 01

  Right.

• 16:49Nilay Patel?

  So it just seems like you said

• 16:51Speaker 02

  Type, type, literally type parentheses sent with shooting star parentheses and see if it sends a shooting star.

• 16:56Nilay Patel?

  Right. But then the last one I got was

• 16:58Speaker 02

  That'll be cool.

• 16:58Nilay Patel?

  Joanna Stern laughed at and then a quote of my own previous text.

• 17:02Speaker 02

  Right. Oh, those are the the pop back stickers or whatever they're called.

• 17:05Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, but I can't see them.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:07Nilay Patel?

  This is very confusing. It just sounds like Joanna is the most sarcastic person in the world.

• 17:11Speaker 02

  It's gonna be fine. You're gonna upgrade to iOS 10.

• 17:13Nilay Patel?

  Which is fair.

• 17:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:15Nilay Patel?

  We all are because it's free.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  This is the world we live in. It's free and it seems like it's, I, I, there's actually other stuff I'm super excited about in iOS 10.

• 17:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the widgets are good.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  The deapp-ing of apps.

• 17:26Nilay Patel?

  Talk to me about widgets because we at W W C, we talked a lot about widgets, but we didn't really know. So what's the, what's the widget story?

• 17:32Speaker 02

  Why are you looking at me?

• 17:33Nilay Patel?

  I don't know.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  The thing is, right now, this is also another bug. I need to report, I've been reporting bugs through the feedback.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:40Nilay Patel?

  You're a good beta tester.

• 17:41Speaker 01

  I'm a great beta tester. No, this is not, it's not working right now. The widgets just say H and M for some reason.

• 17:47Nilay Patel?

  Talk to me about widgets.

• 17:49Speaker 01

  There we go. The, um, well, the big thing is also that right now there are not a lot of widgets because like a lot of third parties have not actually created widgets to go there.

• 17:57Nilay Patel?

  I mean, it's brand new.

• 17:58Speaker 02

  But that's going to change because they've taken widgets out of the, the, the nowhere zone of the dropdown screen.

• 18:04Nilay Patel?

  Is it going to change? I submit to you a technology known as 3D touch, but no one has developed anything for it.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  I've actually been swiping over to this left-hand area a lot more just because it shows some more info. And actually news has gotten better.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  Because it's way more useful than Siri Predicto Zone, whatever it was before.

• 18:21Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:22Speaker 01

  And this, um, like the news widgets actually gotten better and news has gotten better in here. I feel like it's like actually not just giving me the same stories it gives everybody and, um,

• 18:32Speaker 02

  Can we talk about the fact that?

• 18:33Speaker 01

  Love weather, love weather.

• 18:34Speaker 02

  Widgets are like, is it 72? The thing that was differentiated Android back in the day and like they sort of like, they weren't that great. So Android stepped away from it and now Apple's like, hey widgets, we're here.

• 18:44Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Here's my question. Do they just turn this thing into an Android phone?

• 18:47Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 18:47Nilay Patel?

  Because it really sounds like you're describing the Android phone. Like there's a whole screen of weird stuff to the left.

• 18:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 18:53Nilay Patel?

  There's, right? Like.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. It feels like the, sort of like the Google Now area in a way, like where that's been, but it's not as good.

• 19:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. But like, it's not as good, but also like Google Now is not what it ought to be in terms of like the predictions that it gives. It's like, hasn't like gotten radically smarter over time. So if I could just pick the stuff that I put over there, I think I'd be happier with that than I am with Google Now.

• 19:16Speaker 01

  Yeah. But there's certain things that are like very delightful with Google Now that they'll tell you sometimes. And you're like, oh yeah, I did search for that, you know, which Apple's never given you that stuff.

• 19:25Speaker 02

  Right. Well, Apple refuses to delete you. Terrific.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  I think photo, the Photos app is better too. The search seems to be faster and you can do these categories of stuff, like mostly searching.

• 19:36Speaker 02

  How's the facial recognition? Cause on Sierra, it's like, eh, okay.

• 19:40Speaker 01

  The, you mean of like objects?

• 19:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:42Speaker 01

  Um, it does like some random things that like, but other random things you search, like it doesn't have anything. So like for interest, like I searched, um, tuxedo. And like that has all these photos of people in tuxedos.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 19:56Speaker 01

  Um, but there was something else I searched and I couldn't find it like mountain. For some reason, like it doesn't, it only shows me places where I've been that have a mountain in the, the name of it.

• 20:06Speaker 02

  You want to know how I'm a middle manager?

• 20:08Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  The most useful search feature on Google Photos that I use all the time is whiteboard.

• 20:13Nilay Patel?

  Huh, that's really, I searched Google Photos for the word taillight today and it showed me 400 pictures of taillights that I've taken in my life.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  What?

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Why?

• 20:21Nilay Patel?

  It's just a thing I did.

• 20:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 20:22Nilay Patel?

  Well, I installed new taillights in my car.

• 20:24Speaker 02

  Are they black?

• 20:25Nilay Patel?

  They're blacker than the old taillights.

• 20:27Speaker 01

  This is an interesting one.

• 20:28Nilay Patel?

  I'm, I'm on a continued quest to make my car the blackest possible car.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  When I search for car, actually, like a couple of things come up, but also one category that comes up is car park.

• 20:38Nilay Patel?

  Oh yeah, the car park. That's it.

• 20:40Speaker 01

  Which is just a picture from an airplane.

• 20:42Nilay Patel?

  That's really weird.

• 20:43Speaker 01

  So yeah, there's some random stuff.

• 20:45Nilay Patel?

  So like here, here's my question. Everyone gets this stuff for free. Before an operating system upgrade, you roll it out, you gotta get excited about it, you're gonna buy it. Now we're just like, we're literally 10 versions deep into it's free every year.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 20:57Nilay Patel?

  You have to get it because otherwise you get weird sarcastic picture messages. Is it, how do, how does one get excited about this tidal wave just constantly washing over you?

• 21:08Speaker 02

  I think you should get excited about like particular small things that will make you happier. So I'm excited about the widgets because I'm a nerd about widgets. And I also am a nerd about the concept of like apps no longer live inside that single little icon, but they're like spread out among the whole operating system. It's not like iOS is as open as I would like, but it's like, they finally built in a bunch of tools to make things start to feel more integrated than they did before. So that, I'm conceptually excited and just utility excited. I'm also excited for, um, CarPlay to not be a dumpster fire. It's terrible right now. You can't reorder icons. You can't, it's like.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  But it's still only works with Apple Maps, right?

• 21:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  Although I, I don't know why Google couldn't make one of those things, but like, I don't know, like the navigation is bad. Like there's a whole bunch of stuff that I'm really unhappy about with it. And so I'm excited to see, especially with the new maps, if, uh, if it's going to be more useful.

• 21:59Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Is Siri helpful for you when you're using CarPlay?

• 22:02Nilay Patel?

  Siri, I have, my car will only do Siri, it doesn't have CarPlay, but it has Siri, which is weird.

• 22:09Speaker 02

  That's strange.

• 22:10Nilay Patel?

  It's called Siri hands-free. It's like a weird, it's like a baby stand.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Do you remember, I feel like that was like five WWCs ago.

• 22:15Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  They made a big deal of it and then everyone forgot about it.

• 22:18Nilay Patel?

  I have a Chrysler, so they just got there.

• 22:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:20Nilay Patel?

  Like, they literally just put out a software.

• 22:21Speaker 01

  Everyone forgot about it till me, like, got his new car. Like, I feel like, has Apple done anything with that?

• 22:27Nilay Patel?

  No, but car companies are stupid.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:30Nilay Patel?

  So, Chrysler's like, what about, what about now? Like, and they announced, um...

• 22:37Speaker 01

  Can you plug your phone into the car? Like, there's a USB port and it doesn't do anything to integrate with the system?

• 22:44Nilay Patel?

  No, it doesn't, the only thing it does is when you connect it over Bluetooth. It does a lot of weird stuff with your phone book. It's like downloading your phone book. And you're like, you're a car.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:52Nilay Patel?

  You don't need that. Like, I will just use my phone. But then it does a Siri thing. Um, but Chrysler announced at CES, for example, new head units in all 2017 cars. Capacitive touchscreen, like they're in the future, CarPlay. Turns out, maybe, maybe that's not actually happening. They just like, kind of didn't figure it out, huh? Like, a bunch of press materials for new Chrysler's came out.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Did you get a new car or an old car?

• 23:17Nilay Patel?

  I bought a 2014.

• 23:18Speaker 01

  Hmm, so maybe that's why.

• 23:19Nilay Patel?

  No, but it's the same, the 2016 has the same stuff.

• 23:22Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 23:23Nilay Patel?

  Anyway, it doesn't matter. My point is car companies are lazy and stupid.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:26Nilay Patel?

  And they're still...

• 23:27Speaker 01

  What do you have?

• 23:28Speaker 02

  I have a 2016 Honda Civic. I got it because it was the cheapest car I could get that had both Android Auto, CarPlay, and heated seats.

• 23:37Speaker 01

  I would totally, I would totally look for those things, too.

• 23:40Nilay Patel?

  Heated seats?

• 23:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:42Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 23:42Speaker 01

  I mean, I live in New York, though. I don't know why.

• 23:44Speaker 02

  I live in California.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Is it freezing there?

• 23:46Speaker 02

  It's for my wife. Although I will say, now that I have back problems, cranking the AC up and then turning on the heated seat is awesome.

• 23:54Nilay Patel?

  That's very decadent.

• 23:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:55Nilay Patel?

  I had a friend who lived in Texas and his favorite thing in the world was to open the windows and turn on the air conditioner. And he's like, "I'm a rebel." And I was like, "I think you're just wasteful." I think that's where you are. Um, but your, your CarPlay Android Auto experiences have been very middling, from what I can tell.

• 24:10Speaker 02

  So, uh, US... Doesn't like USB C for the Nexus 6P, so it sometimes draws too much power. And Android Auto in general is super buggy, even though it has a way better navigational interface. It's like it's easier to use.

• 24:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  And Google is smarter than Siri for voice stuff, but it crashes more often.

• 24:27Speaker 01

  Right.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  Maybe because it doesn't like how much power USB C draws. Whereas CarPlay for Apple is solid as a rock, eh, like 95% of the time. And then every now and then it'll like just crash and like randomly won't play Spotify. But it has, it's terrible to navigate around. You've got to like hit a home, like not the main radio home button, but another home button. And like-

• 24:50Speaker 01

  You mean like the home, the virtual-

• 24:52Speaker 02

  The virtual home button.

• 24:52Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 24:53Speaker 02

  Like you want, like what do you want in your car? You want maps and you want, what am I listening to right now?

• 24:56Speaker 01

  Music.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  And Android Auto, it's one button. In CarPlay, it's like one, two, sometime, one, it's one, two, or one swipe, two, three, blah, blah, blah.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Yeah. I reviewed those both last year and I mean, the thing was, was that the, the real thing to compare to was the in, in the, in system car.

• 25:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  And it's just like, it's so much better. I also reviewed CarPlay and Corvette, so I liked it better.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, but GM's thing is really, this is a thing with carmakers. Their stuff is so bad.

• 25:24Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  It's something that's still pretty bad, seems really good.

• 25:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, it's great.

• 25:30Speaker 02

  That Corvette's really nice though.

• 25:32Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, yes, I'd like that Corvette back.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  But you know what's better is my phone.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  I think I need to do a year.

• 25:37Speaker 02

  A year with a Corvette.

• 25:41Nilay Patel?

  Paul, how are you?

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, what's going on?

• 25:42Nilay Patel?

  Good.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  Good.

• 25:42Nilay Patel?

  Good.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  How's your car?

• 25:44Speaker 03

  Well, I don't have a car.

• 25:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  Can't relate to any of these things that you guys are talking about cars.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  Tell me what phone OS is.

• 25:50Speaker 03

  I just, you know, a few episodes back, I said, like, I was just, we were trying to do like one liners, summarize companies, something like that. And I was saying, Apple is bad at software. And I've been thinking, because that just was off the top of my dome. I couldn't think of why I was saying that at the time. And I just think it's, I, I, this is the first time that I'm not really looking forward to an Apple software update, because I just feel like been bitten, like the past two or three revisions, like they used to, they would always make it dramatically better on iOS. Like you got a feature that you always needed, some sort of like copy and paste type thing.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:28Speaker 03

  And then on the Mac, it always felt like, man, they're just streamlining it and making it more solid and faster. That's, that's the vibe I got on the Mac. And now I just feel like they're making the Mac more and more fragile. It's just like, I, you know, I'm starting to get a lot of hard crashes on my Mac and it's just like, I don't know, I just feel like Apple's like over the hill and it's started a little bit of on a decline as far as software quality. And that just makes me not excited. I love, I do want all those iMessage features, but.

• 27:00Speaker 02

  I don't have a problem with fragility on the Mac.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  All four places.

• 27:02Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 27:03Speaker 02

  But I skip the 70. I think conceptually, they don't know where they're going.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 02

  Especially with, with, with the new Siri stuff. I've complained about this before. Actually, so the, the, the news says that the public beta is out for both Siri and iOS 10. And the thing they did to Sierra is they changed the keyboard shortcut from function space to command space, hold. So if you want spotlight, you hit command space. If you want Siri, you hit command space and hold it down. Which is like, you're already confused about which one of these things I should be using in the first place, or at least I am, because I do similar things slightly differently. And now it's like the same keyboard shortcut. Like, what are you doing?

• 27:40Speaker 01

  Are you running it on here?

• 27:42Speaker 02

  No, not on this machine.

• 27:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I really wonder how much I'm going to use Siri.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. I wish I could just type at it.

• 27:50Speaker 01

  I, I wish also you could just say, hey Siri.

• 27:54Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, that's like,

• 27:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:56Speaker 02

  I have no idea.

• 27:57Speaker 01

  Because like, sometimes I, I like, actually, I was listening to the podcast you were on with Gruber.

• 28:01Speaker 02

  Podcasts for days.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  Podcasts. And I was listening to it on my MacBook Air and I didn't want to stop listening to it. So I put the MacBook Air and like, it was taken around into like my bedroom, to the bathroom, all over the, listen to your podcast in the bathroom. And I wish I could have just been like, hey Siri, you know, pause the podcast.

• 28:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:19Speaker 01

  You know, or whatever.

• 28:22Speaker 02

  I mean, I just think.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  I mean, I'm sure a lot of people don't use their computer a lot like that, but it just feels like something they should have.

• 28:27Speaker 02

  I don't know why you would talk to a computer that requires you to push a button, right? Like.

• 28:32Speaker 03

  It's across the room.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:34Speaker 02

  No, but you.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  It's kind of like the Alexa thing, right? Like, what's great about Alexa is that she's just in the room.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  What's great about Alexa is that it has really good.

• 28:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:43Speaker 02

  Microphones.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's very true.

• 28:45Speaker 02

  And Max.

• 28:45Nilay Patel?

  All right, hold on.

• 28:46Speaker 01

  I knew you were going to say that.

• 28:47Nilay Patel?

  We gotta, we gotta talk about Sierra.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  It's so quick, you know?

• 28:49Nilay Patel?

  But my next thing is the Echo and Alexa in Spotify. Hold on one second. Guys, chill out. I want to tell you a story.

• 28:58Nilay Patel?

  There's a town, Joanna, in Colorado called Golden. Golden, Colorado. It was founded during the gold rush. It was home to miners. Those miners who lived in Golden spent 12 hours a day in the frozen ground.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Miners who mined, not children.

• 29:13Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 29:13Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 29:14Nilay Patel?

  Yes, drink responsibly.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  With E R.

• 29:16Nilay Patel?

  The miners.

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Not O.

• 29:17Nilay Patel?

  The gold miners spent 12 hours a day in the frozen ground digging for gold. That land was rich in another resource. Rocky mountain water, which runs cold and clear. One man knew the value of that water. Mr. Coors. Mr. Adolf Coors. Winner of the Country Music Award. In 1873, he settled in Golden to brew the finest beer that town had ever tasted. The miners were grateful because they'd been digging in the ground for so long. Because when they sat down for a well-deserved banquet, Mr. Coors brought a beer worthy of the occasion. A beer that came to be known as the banquet beer. Coors, the banquet beer. Coors Brewing Company, Golden, Colorado. With great beer comes great responsibility. Be the right kind of miner.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:02Nilay Patel?

  The gold kind.

• 30:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:03Nilay Patel?

  The Bitcoin kind.

• 30:04Speaker 02

  That was the first brewery tour I ever did was at Coors Brewery.

• 30:07Nilay Patel?

  There you go.

• 30:07Speaker 02

  Golden, Colorado. It's very nice.

• 30:09Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  I drank like the, you know, the freshest beer ever.

• 30:12Nilay Patel?

  I drank Coors Light all weekend, just putting it out there. Not because they pay the money, because it's a beer you can drink all day.

• 30:20Speaker 02

  Responsible.

• 30:21Speaker 01

  When you're not a miner.

• 30:23Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 30:23Speaker 01

  O R or E R.

• 30:25Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, I was setting up my Bitcoin mining workstation and just pounding Coors Lights.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  How do you spell miner?

• 30:29Speaker 02

  M I N O R. Except not in this case. In this case, it's E R.

• 30:33Nilay Patel?

  All right.

• 30:34Speaker 02

  Was there anything else to talk about with Apple?

• 30:36Nilay Patel?

  Well, we got to kind of wrap up the Sierra thing.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:39Nilay Patel?

  I never installed the Yosemite and I felt never, I never felt one, one piece of left out.

• 30:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think you're okay.

• 30:45Nilay Patel?

  The, so. Was Yosemite the previous one?

• 30:48Speaker 02

  El Capitan.

• 30:49Nilay Patel?

  Oh, El Capitan. I have Yosemite. I installed the Yosemite and I never installed the Copitán. Which I, I did install so hard that I forgot its name.

• 30:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:57Nilay Patel?

  Never missed a beat. It was fine.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  Did we talk about Sierra on the Vergecast once? To me, like, Syria is like, literally a sideshow. It's on the side of the screen. The bigger deal is that iCloud. Like you can turn it on to automatically sync your desktop folder and your documents folder to iCloud. And then there's an app that like appears on your phone like magic that where all that stuff is. So it's what I do with Dropbox. When I, when I use Dropbox, I literally will remap my documents folder to Dropbox. So everything synced.

• 31:25Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 31:25Speaker 02

  And now that's just available to everybody.

• 31:27Nilay Patel?

  Dieter, I'm going to show you something horrifying.

• 31:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:29Nilay Patel?

  This is my desktop.

• 31:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know.

• 31:32Speaker 01

  Mine looks like that once a week.

• 31:34Nilay Patel?

  My desktop, it's just hundreds of screenshots.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  Holy, yeah.

• 31:36Nilay Patel?

  That's how I keep it. It's hundreds and hundreds.

• 31:38Speaker 02

  You know, there's apps that will just like magically clean that up for you.

• 31:41Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, it's called me opening the desktop folder, selecting everything with the word screenshot the name and deleting it. I do that like once a week.

• 31:47Speaker 01

  Once a week, I like organize it to folders.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  The other thing that you can and should do is stop using the built in screenshot tool and use an app that I like called Annotate. It pops up the screenshot in a window. You can draw little doodles on it and then you can hold the option key down, drag it to where you want, or you can upload it to Dropbox or whatever. And then when you're done, it's gone. Or you can save it if you really care.

• 32:07Nilay Patel?

  I used to be a Sketch man.

• 32:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was too. Evernote ruined it.

• 32:11Speaker 01

  We love Sketch.

• 32:12Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, Sketch was our jam.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  Annotate's a spiritual successor to Sketch.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Evernote ruined Sketch by like requiring the file sharing, go through them and you couldn't share the thing directly.

• 32:22Speaker 01

  Just shut down.

• 32:23Nilay Patel?

  No, it's still there. They shut it down. Yeah, I mean, this is how deep everyone's love for Sketch.

• 32:27Speaker 01

  We had Sketch, like, like the, the pink arrows, you know?

• 32:31Nilay Patel?

  The verge was designed largely through Sketch.

• 32:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:34Nilay Patel?

  As far as I can tell.

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Sketch was the best. Annotate's the spiritual successor.

• 32:38Speaker 01

  Do you have to pay for it?

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  It's worth it.

• 32:40Speaker 03

  Nice. Nice.

• 32:41Nilay Patel?

  Do you have to subscribe to it?

• 32:42Speaker 02

  No.

• 32:43Speaker 03

  Do you get a commission every install, Dieter?

• 32:45Nilay Patel?

  I should. Coors, the banker, dear.

• 32:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:49Nilay Patel?

  All right. So Spotify and the Echo. This is a big deal. It's a small, oh, we, in the Blackberry keyboard thing, what we'll do at the end. We got a lot of stuff to talk about. We're cruising. I don't even know how long we've been talking for. 20 minutes, 30 minutes, six hours. Spotify and the Echo. A small, a small thing.

• 33:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:07Nilay Patel?

  But a big thing.

• 33:07Speaker 02

  Huge thing.

• 33:08Nilay Patel?

  Because so, so the Echo device.

• 33:11Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. Heard of it.

• 33:13Nilay Patel?

  We've talked about it this show a lot. Largely drives you towards Amazon services by default, but you can add this other stuff in along the side.

• 33:19Speaker 03

  Right. Currently you would have to say Alexa, play me.

• 33:25Speaker 01

  Spotify on.

• 33:26Speaker 03

  Or, yeah.

• 33:27Speaker 01

  X, Y, and Z on Spotify.

• 33:28Speaker 03

  Blank space.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  I say so much.

• 33:29Speaker 03

  On Spotify.

• 33:31Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:32Nilay Patel?

  Amazing if an Echo here just like starts popping off.

• 33:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:35Nilay Patel?

  Wait, Alexa.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  Other than Wilco?

• 33:37Nilay Patel?

  Play Blank Space on Spotify.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  It's gonna do that in like everyone's house.

• 33:41Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, I know. We, this is a game we play all the time.

• 33:44Speaker 01

  Oh, you've done this before?

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Alexa, buy me an Echo tap.

• 33:46Nilay Patel?

  So many times. Alexa, set a timer for 29 minutes.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Alexa, buy me the top end Mac Pro.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Okay, Google. Where's my phone? Make it ring.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  Alexa, wake me up tomorrow at 5:00 AM.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Then wake me up again at 5:15.

• 34:06Nilay Patel?

  Alexa, set a timer for 75 hours. All right.

• 34:12Speaker 01

  People still listen to the show.

• 34:14Nilay Patel?

  I don't know why.

• 34:15Speaker 02

  Hey Cortana, I have nothing to say.

• 34:17Nilay Patel?

  A bunch of people actually seem to enjoy this joke. Anyhow.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  You're gonna get a lot of angry Windows fans right there.

• 34:24Speaker 02

  Cortana's cool.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  You guys had a huge feature today.

• 34:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's way more advanced at talking to bots than anybody else.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:30Speaker 01

  But bots.

• 34:31Speaker 02

  Got to think about, I got a whole, whole kinds of thoughts about that.

• 34:34Nilay Patel?

  Let me get through this one piece of tiny news.

• 34:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 34:37Nilay Patel?

  Cause this is a thing.

• 34:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 34:38Nilay Patel?

  So now you can set Spotify to be the default music service. You can just say play whatever. You can set Pandora to be the default radio. So you can be like, play 90s rock and it'll just do it from Pandora instead of Prime Music Radio, which dumpster fire.

• 34:52Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  When did that happen?

• 34:54Nilay Patel?

  Today.

• 34:54Speaker 02

  Today.

• 34:55Speaker 01

  I learned so many things.

• 34:56Speaker 02

  Yesterday, as you're listening to this.

• 34:57Nilay Patel?

  Yesterday.

• 34:58Speaker 01

  I was on Farhad and Jay Arrow's show and I learned so much news on that show too.

• 35:02Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 35:03Speaker 01

  Just go on podcasts to get your.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  That's why people listen to podcasts. Joanna's like, I don't listen to podcasts.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  I go on them.

• 35:09Speaker 02

  I guest on them weekly to get a news update.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  So.

• 35:13Speaker 01

  Such a good idea.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  So here's my question about this. This seems super rational, especially for something like Spotify or Pandora.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 35:20Speaker 03

  But it's also kind of how you would want to interact with all of your favorite services.

• 35:25Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying. It's a big, it's a big deal. It's a big story. It's a little story, but it's a big story.

• 35:29Speaker 03

  Cause at some point you want Alexa to just know.

• 35:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:32Speaker 03

  That you really want just when you ask for the news, you really just want to read Joanna Stern's column.

• 35:38Speaker 02

  So several months ago.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  How do I work with Amazon on that?

• 35:42Speaker 03

  Probably.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  Called the internet bundle is already here, presaging the fear that all of these intelligent assistants would only work with the companies that they had partnerships with.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm worried about that.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  And Alexa is one of the few that's actually doing, and actually Cortana as well.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  And now Siri.

• 35:58Speaker 02

  No, so they're doing a really good job of saying, yeah, we'll work with whatever. And Alexa's saying, well, you can make this other thing your default is pretty great. But what are the chances that you will be able to do this with Siri?

• 36:10Speaker 01

  I thought that's what this kind of announcement is.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you think it's gonna happen?

• 36:14Speaker 03

  Do you think that they're gonna let Spotify be?

• 36:16Speaker 02

  Spotify be the default music player?

• 36:18Speaker 01

  Oh, so you, right. We still have to say Spotify. Oh yeah, you're right. No, that's probably not gonna happen.

• 36:22Speaker 02

  It's never gonna happen.

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  Right. They're gonna funnel you towards things.

• 36:25Speaker 01

  It's the same thing with CarPlay.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  Right. And I'm saying it's a huge deal for Amazon to let go.

• 36:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Yep. Because that, that puts them in position where every other company is gonna want you to buy an Echo.

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah. I mean, like, I usually say, I mean, there's two things Alexa never really gets right for me, which is one, play the song I want to play. And then she ends up playing it on Amazon Prime Music or whatever.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 36:47Speaker 01

  And, or I say, like, set the alarm for whatever. And she ends up setting, like, adding that to my to do list for some reason.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:57Speaker 01

  So, and actually I really want, like, Wunderlist to work with this.

• 37:00Speaker 03

  If only Amazon could make a phone.

• 37:05Speaker 02

  There are apps for Android that work with Alexa. There's like, it's like an Alexa conduit.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Well, you have to like, set up like, um, do you use like if?

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, no, there's like, there's like an actual app that you can do.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  To set up, I think I could have set up something so like if I asked to set up a, like a to do, it will go to.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Oh no, I meant like, there's an app on your phone that like, is Alexa on your phone?

• 37:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. The other thing, if they really want to get ambitious is technically, I know, there's like a third party app that like.

• 37:36Speaker 03

  But she's saying also for Alexa.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  You can tell Alexa to set up its skills now by voice instead of searching for it in the app.

• 37:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  But the thing I was getting to is Android was technically built in such a way that anything could, anybody could become the default assistant for the operating system. They did it so that there could be other assistants in China that aren't Google services. If Amazon really wanted to, they could set up Alexa as like the default assistant on any Android phone. If they just did the work to develop.

• 38:04Nilay Patel?

  Well, they're putting out Android phones and doing like weird special deals and stuff.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:07Nilay Patel?

  They're inching closer.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  They, if they just finished that, they could, for all intents and purposes, have an Amazon phone. If they just like, did that last piece.

• 38:18Nilay Patel?

  Why would you buy a phone from Amazon though?

• 38:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 38:21Nilay Patel?

  Aren't you doing something on the cheap Amazon phones?

• 38:23Speaker 01

  Eli, don't blow up my column for next week. I'm, I'm keeping my mouth shut for a reason.

• 38:28Nilay Patel?

  I see what's happening.

• 38:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. I, I got a lot of other ideas though here.

• 38:33Nilay Patel?

  What, you got the 30 second scoop? I got the scoop on your column. Next week I'm joining his column.

• 38:40Nilay Patel?

  I had a whole question. I had a whole thing to ask about. I forgot what it was.

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 38:43Nilay Patel?

  Oh, I know what it is. It's if, it's, it's what, um, you were talking about with Cortana and with, uh.

• 38:51Speaker 02

  Bots.

• 38:51Nilay Patel?

  Bots, right? Like Microsoft's whole game is to become like the default vendor for the people who make the bots. The default like operating system for the bots around the cloud. And then for Cortana, be able to talk to all of them intelligently.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 39:06Nilay Patel?

  Apple seems to be doing this whole other thing with Siri. Well, Apple's doing apps, not bots, which is a very weird distinction because what is an app anymore even? But also because apps live inside Apple's ecosystem in a way that bots don't. They have like a control over that.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  Well, it's the same how they do those little like extensions, like the share this to something or edit this with.

• 39:34Nilay Patel?

  Have you tried doing like the workflow app to like hack that to do the stuff you actually want it to do? Like what? I set up one that instead of, if I want to like send an email to a specific email address, which I do all the time, tips at the verge.com, you should check it out. I just like, I hit the button and then it like pops up a thing and I hit the button and it's done. I don't have to type in tips at the verge. Oh, nice. Sent. I gotta get this app.

• 39:58Speaker 01

  There's like a couple of people in my life that I think like really know how to use computers way better than me. And Dieter is that person. Also Ross Miller.

• 40:06Nilay Patel?

  And both of those people?

• 40:08Speaker 01

  Ross Miller. Yeah. Yeah. You're you and Ross.

• 40:11Nilay Patel?

  Ross Miller just knows how to like do, use a computer so fast that, so you can go play Pokemon.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:18Nilay Patel?

  Oh, which we should talk about.

• 40:19Speaker 03

  That's what I want to talk about. I just sit here and think about Pokemon.

• 40:21Speaker 01

  I feel like, you know, like I'm pretty good at computers. Like, but then I like talk to Dieter or Ross and I'm like, or see, watch them. And I'm like, I'm really not good.

• 40:28Speaker 03

  Especially the spreadsheets.

• 40:29Nilay Patel?

  All right, hold on.

• 40:30Speaker 01

  Spreadsheets.

• 40:31Speaker 03

  Amazing.

• 40:31Nilay Patel?

  We're gonna do one more of these. We talk about Pokemon, we got a lightning ad. Yeah, we've been out, we'd like, we got an hour.

• 40:37Speaker 03

  Oh, we also have to.

• 40:38Nilay Patel?

  Yep. Gadget.

• 40:39Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 40:39Nilay Patel?

  Zone.

• 40:40Speaker 01

  I think maybe you should interview Dieter for a column.

• 40:43Nilay Patel?

  When you're, when you're, guys, when you're cutting through the night, you may realize that you've left the oven on or forgot, forgot to turn the AC down for your pets.

• 40:55Nilay Patel?

  But with iDevices, full range of smart home projects, you can rest assured that all is good at home. Start evolving your home with iDevices, the official unofficial sponsor of Sizzler Vodka, which again, is a vodka that does not exist, but is being for real sponsored by iDevices, which is a great company that I wholly respect.

• 41:15Speaker 03

  You're so proud of yourself. It makes me sick.

• 41:17Nilay Patel?

  This is amazing. Cut through the goddamn night with Sizzler Vodka and iDevices. They have so many HomeKit devices.

• 41:26Speaker 01

  Is this written out?

• 41:29Speaker 01

  Is this a written, something written, or you were just like spewing words?

• 41:33Nilay Patel?

  I am just so excited about this.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  Clever things.

• 41:36Nilay Patel?

  Cut through, like, they give me all these options.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:39Nilay Patel?

  Like, this company, iDevices, was so excited about buying a Virgcast ad. They make all this stuff.

• 41:47Speaker 01

  But why do we have to cut through the night?

• 41:49Nilay Patel?

  Because that's the tagline.

• 41:50Speaker 02

  That's the tagline for Scissor Vodka.

• 41:52Nilay Patel?

  Right.

• 41:52Speaker 01

  And what does that have to do with iDevices?

• 41:55Nilay Patel?

  They don't want to sponsor the Virgcast, they want to sponsor the vodka.

• 41:59Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 42:00Nilay Patel?

  This is the best ad in history. You should be more excited. Here's what I know about iDevices. They're one of the original Apple HomeKit partners. They have the largest selection of HomeKit products on the market. They have top-line quality and craftsmanship, they have sleek design aesthetic. Their stuff is designed and engineered in-house in Avon, Connecticut, with 100% US-based customer service from real people. A complete line of connected home products, including a smart plug, a Wi-Fi thermostat, an outdoor smart plug that's water-resistant, it's rain-tight, a newly-adapted smart thing that makes dumb light bulbs into smart bulbs. They also sponsored Scissor Vodka, which is a fake vodka that does not exist. And they're doing that for me.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  What did they sponsor, though?

• 42:46Nilay Patel?

  They've sent me all this copy that is less about their products and more about my fake vodka to read as an ad.

• 42:53Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 42:54Speaker 02

  Because they're savvy.

• 42:55Nilay Patel?

  Because they're smart. Cut through the night and set the perfect ambiance. iDevices, full range of smart home products that empower you to control electronics, lighting, and appliances from anywhere. iDevices is proud to be the official unofficial sponsor of Scissor Vodka. Again, a vodka that I made up, that does not exist, and wants to help you cut through the night with easy-to-use and setup connected home devices that take your party from zero to hero.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  All right, we get it, we get it.

• 43:18Nilay Patel?

  Feeling in a romantic mood?

• 43:19Speaker 01

  I actually don't.

• 43:21Nilay Patel?

  Use the iDevices app to turn up the heat. Dim the lights with full-spectrum melody colors, turn on the tunes, and pour a couple chilled Scissor Vodka martinis. They sent me all these ads for Scissor Vodka and smart home devices. It's the best. iDevices. Go to it. iDevices Inc.

• 43:41Speaker 01

  I just went to it, actually.

• 43:42Nilay Patel?

  iDevices Inc. com. Use promo code VERGE.

• 43:45Speaker 01

  This stuff looks good.

• 43:46Nilay Patel?

  For 15% off your homes evolution. I just gonna say this, if you're a Vergecast listener, I insist you buy some smart home shit from this company. Do it right now.

• 43:56Speaker 03

  I think it's time for.

• 43:57Nilay Patel?

  Lightning round, gadget time?

• 43:58Speaker 03

  Nah, for like a weekly segment.

• 44:00Nilay Patel?

  A weekly segment, yeah.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  It's called Gadget Guys.

• 44:03Nilay Patel?

  Gadget Guys.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  With a Z.

• 44:05Speaker 02

  Oh, I was thinking GUISC, like it was a, you know, disguise.

• 44:09Speaker 03

  It's pretty good.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Oh, a guy.

• 44:11Speaker 03

  Maybe next, maybe next time. But this week, it's Gadget Guys with a Z.

• 44:16Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 44:19Speaker 01

  Is this when you feature a guy who likes gadgets?

• 44:21Speaker 03

  No, it's my favorite gadget of the week.

• 44:24Nilay Patel?

  Just Paul runs the gadget.

• 44:25Speaker 03

  Which, which always kind of ends up being something that we wrote about on a Thursday.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  And I swear, every time I look through every single thing Circuit Breaker published for the, the previous week. And my favorite thing is this Samsung UFS memory card. Guys, with a Z. Have you heard, have you heard about UFS memory cards? So Samsung already built, this is the flash stores that they already use in their phones. And it's like the next EMMC, which is what the sort of flash stores that you would get in like a crappy laptop. But it's not quite SSD, but it's way faster than like micro SD.

• 45:12Nilay Patel?

  Right.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  And it's not even clear, like there's no devices yet that have like UFS slots. But these would be a lot better for like recording 4K video and stuff, but also.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  But can they be on, like, is it, is this the standard that goes inside the chip? Or is it actually have to be, I mean, is there a photo of this?

• 45:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:31Speaker 02

  It looks just like a micro SD card.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  It looks like, so it can go in micro SD card slots?

• 45:34Speaker 03

  It's got cool little fins on it.

• 45:35Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Look at those fins.

• 45:36Nilay Patel?

  Those are cool little fins.

• 45:37Speaker 02

  They cut through.

• 45:39Speaker 03

  It's, it has slightly less capacity than micro SD.

• 45:45Nilay Patel?

  I gotta say the cool little fins.

• 45:46Speaker 03

  But it's so, so much faster.

• 45:48Speaker 01

  Will we need a different slot?

• 45:49Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, definitely.

• 45:50Speaker 02

  You'll need a different slot.

• 45:51Speaker 03

  Look at, look at, look at those contacts. So, but what excites me about this.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  I think that might be user hostile.

• 45:56Nilay Patel?

  Why would that be user hostile?

• 45:59Speaker 01

  Because you have to get a new phone with a new, you might have a lot of micro SD cards and now they won't work.

• 46:06Nilay Patel?

  Who has a lot of micro SD cards?

• 46:07Speaker 01

  I do.

• 46:08Nilay Patel?

  Really?

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 46:09Nilay Patel?

  What do you use them for?

• 46:10Speaker 01

  Storing things.

• 46:12Speaker 02

  But this stuff will store things way faster.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  So, so what I, I would like.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  My Bluetooth headphone.

• 46:17Speaker 03

  And my, my, my greatest dream would be, the next time I get a laptop, I'm like, there's no way I'm gonna run out of X number of gigabytes of SSD.

• 46:28Speaker 01

  Well.

• 46:29Speaker 03

  Then I could put one of these cards in and have very fast performance storage in an expandable way. Like, I, I would really like this to be a thing that happens for laptops, also with phones. But I'm just tired of having a 256GB laptop. I, I splurged for the 256.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  I'm tired of, I have a 128.

• 46:49Speaker 03

  Yikes.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  It's like, living is hard.

• 46:50Speaker 03

  Have you noticed? I wanna get, I wanna get a partition on here, I wanna put Windows on here, I wanna put Linux on here, and I can't, I'm always out of storage.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  See, life is even harder for him.

• 46:59Nilay Patel?

  Well, he's got twice as much as you.

• 47:01Speaker 01

  But, yeah, but he's got a, like, a lot of OS ambitions.

• 47:04Nilay Patel?

  He does. How many, what do I have?

• 47:07Speaker 01

  I have no OS ambitions, I just wanna store, like, photos and videos.

• 47:11Speaker 03

  Oh, I gave up on photos and videos.

• 47:12Speaker 01

  You don't have it anymore?

• 47:13Speaker 03

  They don't belong on this computer.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm gonna say about.

• 47:16Speaker 01

  I mean, and also, this is, I, I've been wanting to do a piece, the cloud is overrated.

• 47:19Speaker 03

  I've got a 100.

• 47:20Speaker 01

  The cloud is overrated.

• 47:21Nilay Patel?

  The cloud is super overrated.

• 47:23Speaker 03

  Oh, I got a 512, what, what?

• 47:24Speaker 01

  What?

• 47:25Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, 246.

• 47:26Speaker 01

  Wait, wait, everyone, let's all stop being impressed with Dieter's amount of storage.

• 47:32Nilay Patel?

  I mean, it is impressive. We're such a small computer.

• 47:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 47:37Nilay Patel?

  You're really splurged. Why is the cloud overrated? Get into it.

• 47:40Speaker 01

  For so many reasons.

• 47:42Nilay Patel?

  Name some. Joanna on a podcast, everyone.

• 47:48Speaker 01

  You need to really think it out.

• 47:49Nilay Patel?

  She is just like, she's shaking her head at me.

• 47:53Speaker 03

  I, I think the cloud, the cloud is great, but it's no excuse to not solve the local problems.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:00Speaker 03

  Like, just because Google can solve storing all my photos forever, making them searchable, doesn't mean I also don't wanna have a.

• 48:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 48:08Speaker 03

  I don't know if I did a double negative there, but a physical thing that's really easy to just, like, hey, plug this into your phone at night, unplug it, and then for the rest of your life, these photos, everything, you'll have everything in real, physical form in your home.

• 48:26Speaker 01

  I think, I mean, I do wonder if it's, we use like a lot of media in our jobs. So I think we might have bigger demands for local storage than other people.

• 48:36Nilay Patel?

  Way disagree.

• 48:37Speaker 01

  Really?

• 48:38Speaker 03

  I don't, I don't take photos or videos hardly at all because I just don't have a good like.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Place to put them.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Like, where are they gonna live forever? Unless I want to.

• 48:46Nilay Patel?

  But do you wanna care for a hard drive forever?

• 48:48Speaker 03

  No, and so I want Google to also help, but I, I just feel like I need to have some sort of agency in here.

• 48:54Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 48:55Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 48:56Nilay Patel?

  I get scared of the cloud because every time you upload something to one of those services.

• 49:01Speaker 03

  Government.

• 49:02Nilay Patel?

  The government, the government can get at it, right? They just need a warrant, they can just like go and look at your stuff. They can delete it for copyright reasons, they can screw it up, somebody can hack you, like, there's a reason to keep some of your stuff to yourself.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  I've got a great way.

• 49:16Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 49:16Speaker 03

  To pivot.

• 49:18Nilay Patel?

  Get it.

• 49:18Speaker 03

  To Pokemon Go.

• 49:19Nilay Patel?

  Do it.

• 49:20Speaker 03

  Based on the cloud.

• 49:22Nilay Patel?

  Cloud Go.

• 49:22Speaker 03

  You didn't even think, okay, so right now.

• 49:24Nilay Patel?

  Uh huh.

• 49:25Speaker 03

  Basically all day.

• 49:26Nilay Patel?

  Uh huh.

• 49:27Speaker 03

  Pokemon Go's servers have been overloaded.

• 49:30Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 49:30Speaker 03

  And so consumers typically think of the cloud as like, oh, that's where we wanna back our things up and stuff like that. And that's why I can have tons of Gmail storage and stuff. But from a, a company's standpoint, the cloud is all about having a scalable infrastructure. Where you don't have to pre-buy a bunch of, you don't have to pre allot this much, you just scale rapidly. And the, the best example of this is like the first ultra-successful video game in history to not have crazy outages all the time is Overwatch. Blizzard just made a perfect game that it's like rapidly become the most popular game on the planet. And they have not had, sorry, our servers are overloaded, other than like for like five seconds.

• 50:14Speaker 03

  Um, and I, right now, I know this sounds silly, but I'm so disappointed and and angry that it's like, it's like a dereliction of duty. The people who made this new Pokemon Go have failed everybody.

• 50:34Nilay Patel?

  Labs, by the way, if you're gonna name and shame, you gotta name.

• 50:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:37Nilay Patel?

  Niantic.

• 50:38Speaker 03

  Niantic.

• 50:38Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Dereliction of duty.

• 50:40Speaker 03

  Not Nintendo. They've taken the most obvious slam dunk ever, which is take Pokemon and then tie it to a location API. So it's like with maps and it's broken in every single way. The app crashes all the time. It's janky. It makes your phone super hot. It destroys your battery life. It doesn't look good. The the interface has nothing to do with Pokemon, how you actually play.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  They really broke your heart, didn't they?

• 51:10Speaker 03

  They did everything wrong. And the thing was so exciting to me about this. This was the moment of like augmented reality.

• 51:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:18Speaker 03

  And mixed reality. Like you pick up your phone, you walk around, you get these notifications. Now you're living in this world with Pokemon. You like look through your camera, you see a Pokemon. There's so many.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  Do you need a toy for this?

• 51:29Speaker 02

  You can get a, you can buy a watch if you want.

• 51:33Speaker 01

  What's a watch?

• 51:34Speaker 02

  They're selling a little smart watch that will vibrate when there's Pokemon nearby. So you don't have to constantly be looking at your phone to look around for them.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  I have not followed this and it sounds amazing.

• 51:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, theoretically.

• 51:46Speaker 01

  I'm reading about.

• 51:47Speaker 03

  I just think it would be a huge, a huge watershed. And, you know, went number one in the app store and stuff. And they can't keep the servers up. And it the actual software, even outside of the servers, it's just, it's garbage. It's made in unity in the worst possible way. And I'm just so frustrated.

• 52:06Speaker 01

  So it launched yesterday or today or?

• 52:09Speaker 02

  It it launched kind of yesterday.

• 52:11Speaker 03

  Kind of yesterday.

• 52:11Speaker 02

  Like the Australia, New Zealand beta.

• 52:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:16Speaker 01

  I have to try this. This looks crazy. I mean, it sounds very sad.

• 52:21Speaker 02

  There were people that were like really obsessed with the old Miatic game.

• 52:24Speaker 03

  Ingress?

• 52:25Speaker 02

  Ingress, yeah.

• 52:26Speaker 03

  Which, I mean.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's the number one search in the app store.

• 52:29Speaker 03

  Right. And I think that one had kind of its own sort of native.

• 52:32Speaker 01

  Jesus.

• 52:33Speaker 03

  Interesting UI.

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, and there were like teams and like a whole thing.

• 52:36Speaker 03

  And they tried, it was only on Android for a while. It wasn't like cross platform day one.

• 52:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  You're so sad.

• 52:45Speaker 03

  This was gonna be my favorite thing and it's not like I'm the biggest Pokemon fan. I just thought this was the moment for augmented.

• 52:52Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, it still could be. It's only one day. Give him a minute.

• 52:55Speaker 03

  No, that.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  It sucks forever.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  The app needs a year of, well, someone else who cares has to take over the project, start from scratch and make it. That's what it needs to be fixed. These people, dereliction of duty.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  Maybe it's, maybe it's better on Android because they.

• 53:15Nilay Patel?

  It's not. We, I watched a lot of people play Pokemon. A lot of people looked real sad in the.

• 53:21Speaker 03

  There's a great, so I was walking home with my roommate and his girlfriend last night and, and they just both installed Pokemon Go. Started catching Pokemon and they were having a great time and then his crashed and he saw the Unity flash screen. And then hers locked up in this thing where like, it was like one still image, like floating in space, but the, like the gyroscope still works. So you can pan it around and.

• 53:47Speaker 02

  This thing is working fine for me right now.

• 53:49Speaker 01

  Who is this for?

• 53:50Nilay Patel?

  Pokemon people.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  Pokemon people?

• 53:53Nilay Patel?

  Pokemon stories have dominated our website and Polygon non-stop for the past two days.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:59Nilay Patel?

  You're just not one of these people.

• 54:00Speaker 01

  But I think I want to be.

• 54:01Nilay Patel?

  You should be.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  Well, I, like, I actually want to play this app.

• 54:04Speaker 01

  This sounds pretty crazy.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  For the reasons that Paul's getting out of like a good augmented reality experience. It's kind of fun, right?

• 54:10Nilay Patel?

  I mean, it's so out of hand that police stations in Australia have like started putting out alerts being like, please don't come in. Cause there's like a Pokemon in the police station.

• 54:19Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 54:19Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 54:20Speaker 01

  Cause it's like. It also seems like it could be like this issue of like people walking around and not.

• 54:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. When you, when you boot the app, it like tells you, look around, be aware of your surroundings.

• 54:28Nilay Patel?

  Miriam, our video editor said her bike ride to work today took half an hour extra because she was biking with her phone out. Yeah. And every time she saw one, she would stop and like get it.

• 54:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:37Nilay Patel?

  Hi, Miriam.

• 54:41Nilay Patel?

  Uh, let's do a really quick lightning round. Ready?

• 54:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:45Nilay Patel?

  Lightning round. You gotta put your phone down, Joanna.

• 54:47Speaker 01

  I'm getting Pokemon. Go.

• 54:49Nilay Patel?

  All right. Um, I'm just going through this list. I don't even know what it is. The Tesla autopilot crash. Give me your quick reaction.

• 54:56Speaker 01

  People are stupid. I don't know. Feel badly, but people are stupid too. I don't know.

• 55:00Nilay Patel?

  Uh, I heard say allegedly watching a movie.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why I'd say people are stupid.

• 55:05Nilay Patel?

  Dieter?

• 55:06Speaker 02

  It was gonna happen sometime better.

• 55:10Nilay Patel?

  Hmm, I don't know.

• 55:11Speaker 02

  It was gonna happen sometime. Like, that's, that's it.

• 55:14Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Paul?

• 55:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think I'm with, with Dieter. It's kind of inevitable, but, um, I just don't like the word beta in car software.

• 55:26Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, agree. That's a real mess.

• 55:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:28Speaker 03

  Just any, anything my phone does or my car does shouldn't be in beta.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:32Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, I think that's the big lesson here, right? Like, don't let people use something that isn't done when it's gonna...

• 55:38Speaker 02

  So I disagree with that a little bit, actually. Like, there's no way to release something like this perfect on day one. There was always going to be, like, problems. And but now, we can actually discuss them, hopefully, out of the open, rationally, with the knowledge that, yes, people in self-driving cars will either die or kill other people. And we can, like, talk about those risks rationally relative to the risks of actual driving. And if we just kept on waiting and waiting and waiting until somebody, like, signed off and said, yes, we're out of beta now, it's perfect, uh, the, the conversation wouldn't have been rational at all. It would have been a, a huge freak out when inevitably, somebody got killed by it.

• 56:21Nilay Patel?

  Well, the li- it's gonna be, this lightning round, you gotta really do real time.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm sorry.

• 56:25Speaker 01

  This is not a good lightning round type of topic.

• 56:29Nilay Patel?

  I was just on the list.

• 56:30Speaker 03

  There's deep thoughts.

• 56:31Speaker 02

  It's not responsible.

• 56:33Speaker 01

  Who made the list?

• 56:34Nilay Patel?

  You made the list!

• 56:34Speaker 03

  I know Dieter was, like, disagreeing with me, but I think I agreed with everything he said, so I'm trying to think about what I was saying.

• 56:40Nilay Patel?

  I'm just bringing the headlines.

• 56:41Speaker 02

  What's the next, what's next?

• 56:43Nilay Patel?

  What I was gonna say is, it's gonna be really crazy when the liability, because right now, the, if you're in a robot car,

• 56:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:48Nilay Patel?

  do you want it to hurt you or hurt somebody else?

• 56:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:50Nilay Patel?

  It's a very theoretical question.

• 56:51Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 56:52Nilay Patel?

  And now it's a real question.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 56:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:54Nilay Patel?

  Lightning round. So I'm just gonna go to the next one. Amazon opening bookstore in New York City.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  Is that really happening?

• 57:02Speaker 01

  I know that's been the rumor for a while.

• 57:04Speaker 03

  They better have good bathrooms.

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's right. I was thinking the same exactly.

• 57:07Speaker 03

  Why?

• 57:08Speaker 01

  We are on the same.

• 57:09Speaker 03

  Well, there's a couple of things. For one, the Barnes and Noble in Union Square is the bathroom of Union Square.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 57:16Speaker 03

  But the other thing.

• 57:17Speaker 01

  Clean too.

• 57:17Speaker 03

  It's actually pretty nice. Um, the other thing is it's something that all of my family members have noticed is that every time we go to a bookstore, we, we have to go number two.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  This is a thing, Paul.

• 57:29Speaker 03

  Right?

• 57:30Speaker 01

  This is a thing.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  Is that a real thing?

• 57:31Speaker 01

  Totally thing. I've had that conversation with my friends multiple times.

• 57:35Speaker 03

  And I, what is going on?

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Podcast and talk about that thing.

• 57:39Speaker 03

  How is that a thing?

• 57:40Speaker 01

  It is a thing.

• 57:41Speaker 03

  It's so real.

• 57:41Speaker 01

  It's a thing.

• 57:42Speaker 03

  I don't, I do not normally have to go to the bathroom or want to go to the bathroom in public.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:48Speaker 03

  But at bookstores.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  Done.

• 57:51Nilay Patel?

  My god.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  This is, so I totally agree and they should have like, they should have an Amazon.

• 57:58Nilay Patel?

  Okay.

• 57:59Speaker 01

  Great.

• 57:59Speaker 03

  Maybe you could talk to Alexa while you're sitting there.

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 58:02Nilay Patel?

  Speaking of things.

• 58:03Speaker 01

  Or get great prime toilet paper.

• 58:05Nilay Patel?

  Snapchat memories.

• 58:09Nilay Patel?

  Have you played with it? Snapchat memories.

• 58:12Speaker 01

  Um, no. I don't even know where it's located in the app. I don't think I've downloaded. I'm a pretty good Snapchat. I'm not terrible, but.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  It's rolling out.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  You're not guaranteed to have it.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  Oh, not?

• 58:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:23Speaker 01

  You'd think they would have like, wanted me to have it.

• 58:24Nilay Patel?

  You know, the feature I'm way more excited about is they let you, now you can send snaps during camera roll.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 58:29Speaker 02

  You stole my, you stole my.

• 58:30Speaker 01

  Wait, really?

• 58:31Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. I lost a great snap this weekend because I like, I like took the video and then I was like driving the car and I had to like keep driving so I couldn't like monkey with Snapchat.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  So that's what you can do. You can take a live photo. If you like the video, you can save the video from it and then send that to Snapchat.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Wait, I have to.

• 58:48Nilay Patel?

  What I just did was I made a finger go into my nose, in case you're wondering. That's my, that's my new sign of approval.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  Yes, I have the new Snapchat.

• 58:59Nilay Patel?

  All right, uh, last, last two.

• 59:00Speaker 01

  Podcast, lots of news.

• 59:01Nilay Patel?

  So, so much news. Uh, Apple buying title.

• 59:07Speaker 01

  I think very likely.

• 59:08Nilay Patel?

  It's a six day old rumor.

• 59:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it feels right, though. It feels right.

• 59:12Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Does it feel right?

• 59:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  I don't know.

• 59:17Nilay Patel?

  Doesn't really feel.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  Oh, Apple Music is way better in iOS ten. That's another thing. It really is like way better. I feel like I know where to go and, and like, it's not a huge maze.

• 59:27Nilay Patel?

  I just want an iPod. I'm seriously considering.

• 59:30Speaker 02

  You know what iPods have?

• 59:31Nilay Patel?

  What's that?

• 59:32Speaker 02

  Headphone jacks.

• 59:33Nilay Patel?

  Yep. Here's the thing you can do. You can buy an iPod. You can open it up. You can put an SSD in it. And then you have a kick ass iPod.

• 59:42Speaker 03

  What if you put some UFS?

• 59:43Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, yeah, with fins.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:45Nilay Patel?

  Fins. What you want is a huge iPod with tiny memory. No, it's a thing you can do.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  What was Samsung's, um, iPod killer? Was it the juke?

• 59:55Nilay Patel?

  Yep.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Was it the?

• 59:56Nilay Patel?

  Yep.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  The yep?

• 59:57Nilay Patel?

  Yep.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  Really?

• 59:58Speaker 01

  No, no, there was, they tried to do the pebble.

• 1:00:00Nilay Patel?

  Oh, yeah, but it was called the yep, the Y E P P. Yep.

• 1:00:05Nilay Patel?

  That's, I, I didn't name it. I'm just, that's how I.

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  They had so many like things. They just really wanted to be the iPod.

• 1:00:11Speaker 03

  I'm not finding this.

• 1:00:12Speaker 02

  This is a company that tried to convince us that we wanted a product called Milk.

• 1:00:16Speaker 03

  Y E P P?

• 1:00:17Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, Samsung yep.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:00:19Nilay Patel?

  Yep.

• 1:00:19Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:00:22Nilay Patel?

  Why did they think that was a good name?

• 1:00:24Speaker 03

  Oh, my gosh, this is great.

• 1:00:25Nilay Patel?

  They made all kinds, Samsung. What happened to Samsung crazy? Are we gonna look back on Samsung the way we look back on peak Sony?

• 1:00:33Speaker 03

  Samsung Y P E sixty four, yep.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Sony's, Sony, Sony crazy like. You can get it. Inspires like desire and warm feelings. Samsung crazy just makes you go, huh.

• 1:00:45Nilay Patel?

  Samsung crazy is like.

• 1:00:47Speaker 01

  This thing, what was this thing?

• 1:00:48Nilay Patel?

  I was in college and man, I lived a crazy life. Sony, Sony crazy was like, I aspired to one day be an adult who had a Cie.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:56Nilay Patel?

  Right? But Samsung crazy is like. Yeah, yep.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  This is the yep?

• 1:01:01Nilay Patel?

  Yep.

• 1:01:02Speaker 03

  Yep. I've got this one. This is their sixty four.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  I think it was their.

• 1:01:05Nilay Patel?

  Yep. Yep.

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  I think they then just changed to YP.

• 1:01:12Nilay Patel?

  I mean, if you look at the Yep Wikipedia page, by the way, the first thing that says, the first line of the Samsung Yep Wikipedia page is not to be confused with the youth of the European people's party. And if anyone is confusing those two things.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  I want to beat you.

• 1:01:30Nilay Patel?

  Who are you? So just.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, they changed all of it to just YP.

• 1:01:34Nilay Patel?

  Just to be clear, there was the the Yep R series, the Yep S series, the Yep Q, including the YP Q1 Diamond, the Yep P, the Yep U. Wait, wait for it, the Yep K, the Yep T, the YPF1, the YPZ5, the YH999.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  Worst lightning round ever.

• 1:01:56Nilay Patel?

  I'm just saying, they made so many goddamn yeps.

• 1:02:00Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:02:01Nilay Patel?

  Did anyone, if you bought a Samsung Yep, please tweet at Backlon.

• 1:02:06Speaker 02

  This looks a little, this looks a little Sony.

• 1:02:08Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, this was like during.

• 1:02:10Speaker 01

  Right, and this was the other, this was the Pebble.

• 1:02:12Nilay Patel?

  Oh, the X Pebble. The X Pebble was like a real mess. Anyhow.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Oh, right, sorry, audio show. It looks like a plastic Pebble.

• 1:02:24Nilay Patel?

  All right, last one. Joanna, this one's for you. This is, we, by the way, we discussed nothing about Apple on title, but Joanna, this one's for you. Uh, this, I, I saw this today in the wild, in a coffee shop, stylish young lady, using HP Spectre, banging, banging away on Excel in a coffee shop.

• 1:02:41Speaker 01

  She was a reviewer.

• 1:02:43Nilay Patel?

  She was not a reviewer. Yes, her name, she, her name was Mrs. CNET.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Are you sure? Did you really ask if they were a reviewer?

• 1:02:50Nilay Patel?

  No, she, I could see what she was doing and no rational reviewer.

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  I do that sometimes, I'm like at a coffee shop, I've actually do this like in the, in the wild, I try to see how people use technology for, for stories, and Eli knows about this, when we have dinner, I like.

• 1:03:02Nilay Patel?

  Snooping.

• 1:03:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't listen to what he's saying, and I'm sort of talk, like, listen to other people and how they're using technology. Where was I going with this? And sometimes I look at their screens and it seems super weird, because like then, like, it looks like I care about what's like their business confidential work, but I'm really just trying to see like how they're using.

• 1:03:19Nilay Patel?

  Pepsi's sales figures for the next eight months projected. But I don't care because what I'm really seeing is that you're using Excel.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  So what is the lighting around?

• 1:03:27Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, you reviewed the Spectre. You cut some cheese with it on video.

• 1:03:30Speaker 01

  I did.

• 1:03:30Nilay Patel?

  Tell me about it.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  I actually just sent them back. That's what I was doing before I came here.

• 1:03:34Nilay Patel?

  Oh, that's, that's why you're like.

• 1:03:35Speaker 01

  I was wiping the windows off, was wiping windows off of the Spectre and sending it back to HP.

• 1:03:44Speaker 01

  I don't like the gold. My first thing is just like, oh, that gold looks ugly.

• 1:03:49Nilay Patel?

  Copper.

• 1:03:49Speaker 01

  The rest of it's pretty good.

• 1:03:50Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  But it's ugly gold. Oh, and the fan gets super loud.

• 1:03:54Nilay Patel?

  And it just, it spews hot air, but.

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:03:57Nilay Patel?

  I kind of want this laptop. I was on the Google podcast. I was saying, I desperately need a new MacBook Pro. This thing is.

• 1:04:02Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I heard you talk about this.

• 1:04:03Nilay Patel?

  It's like glitching out. The screen blinks at me.

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:07Nilay Patel?

  It's slow in that way that Macs get slow and like mysterious. You know, it's like, all of a sudden, it's like, you know what? I'm just gonna wait.

• 1:04:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:14Nilay Patel?

  Uh, but I won't buy one now. I have Dieter's old MacBook.

• 1:04:17Speaker 03

  I got Overwatch.

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  I mean, we're all waiting for the MacBook Pro in the fall, right? I mean, that's.

• 1:04:22Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:22Speaker 01

  Not we all, but most, a lot of people.

• 1:04:24Speaker 03

  Only if it has UFS.

• 1:04:26Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, you want a MacBook Pro with expandable storage.

• 1:04:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  I do wonder. I've been thinking a lot about what ports are gonna be on that MacBook Pro.

• 1:04:34Speaker 03

  Somebody actually makes a thing for the MacBook Pro that it's, it's a SD card type thing and you put it in and then it's, it's flush.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  I have it in my MacBook Pro. I have it in my MacBook Air. I don't have it with me, but I have it. It's the Tardisk.

• 1:04:47Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:04:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. I've actually been thinking like I should review it, but I like, don't know if it's like bad advice to say, go get one of these because like, exactly what you were saying before, the speeds are not that fast. And like, what if that thing fails and all your stuff is on there?

• 1:05:00Speaker 03

  Right. Cause that's gonna be the place where you're gonna put the long-term photos and videos.

• 1:05:04Speaker 01

  What works about that is actually really cool. It like, it creates not a partition, it sort of, whatever, it's not a raid.

• 1:05:12Speaker 03

  Oh, it like spans your disk.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  It explains, yeah, it spans the disk. I forget what the right term is because it's not like raid or whatever.

• 1:05:20Speaker 03

  I don't want it to do that.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  My worry there is if that fails, then what will I lose that's on there?

• 1:05:26Speaker 03

  Right. Can you turn that off?

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Yes, you can turn that off. So I have it set up because I can't like, I don't have permissions on my work laptop that I can just drag stuff to it. And so that's what I've been doing. Like when I run low on storage, I drag my photo, my photos and videos over there.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  Cool.

• 1:05:40Speaker 01

  Cool. We're just having our own conversation.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  This is the good tip.

• 1:05:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've had a lot of good tips on this podcast, mostly about the Amazon bookstore.

• 1:05:49Nilay Patel?

  Pretty much just the one tip there. And never using that bathroom.

• 1:05:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:54Speaker 02

  Or any public bathroom. Don't, don't, don't go number two in public bathroom if you can avoid it.

• 1:06:00Speaker 03

  That's the problem with bookstores is that.

• 1:06:02Speaker 01

  You have to.

• 1:06:03Speaker 03

  It brings it all.

• 1:06:04Nilay Patel?

  Okay.

• 1:06:05Speaker 02

  You should prepare for that.

• 1:06:05Nilay Patel?

  I would like to end this show.

• 1:06:07Speaker 01

  I'm pretty sure I've ruined my career on this podcast.

• 1:06:09Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. I mean, no one wants to hang out with you in a bookstore now. That's a fact.

• 1:06:17Nilay Patel?

  All right.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Nilay Patel?

  Uh, this is a weird transition. I would like to thank Coors for sponsoring this podcast. 1873 Golden, Colorado, home to miners searching for gold, miners, actual miners, not the children who are laughing at our poop jokes. And when those miners sat down for a well-deserved banquet, Mr. Coors brought a beer worthy of the occasion. That beer came to be known as Coors, the banquet beer. Coors Brewing Company, Golden, Colorado, with great beer and its great responsibility. Also, if for some reason you wish to continue interacting with these people after the podcast, Paul is at FuturePaul, Dieter's at Backlon.

• 1:06:50Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 1:06:51Nilay Patel?

  Joanna's at Joanna Stern. I'm at Reckless. The Verge's at Verge. On Snapchat, we're Verge. Instagram, we're Verge. Find our YouTube page, hit subscribe there. Some cool stuff happening there. Uh, and go on iTunes.com slash The Verge and follow our podcasts, including What's Tech every Tuesday with Chris Plant, Control+Alt+Delete on Thursdays with Walt Mossberg and myself, and Verge SP on Fridays with Emily Ashida and Liz Lopato.