Flora and the Fox - Classic

When Flora heads to China to spend time with family for the summer, she realizes her young cousin is acting weird. Almost like he’s someone… or something else entirely.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:02Glynn Washington?

  We imagine that we're in control of things, but we never see our puppet strings. You're listening to Spooked. Stay tuned.

• 0:24Glynn Washington?

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• 1:04Glynn Washington?

  And, and, ask me anything for yours truly. If you've got questions, I've got answers. Maybe. And we're just getting started. Spooksters, we are a small team chasing down the big mystery. Your support keeps this flame burning, so come on in. The door is open. Spooked.supercast.com. That's Spooked.supercast.com. Spooked Plus. Don't turn out the lights.

• 1:41Glynn Washington?

  Recently, sitting in the park, my best friend, she said, "Do you remember that character you invented? Roosevelt Franklin or something? And it's vaguely familiar. It's way back in the day before kids, before responsibilities, Footloose, Fancy Free. I wrote this character description about something very different from myself. The adventures of Roosevelt Franklin, a militant black vegan." And I'm thinking, "That is a blast from the past. Haven't thought about him for a couple decades." Yeah? Well, guess what? Look over there. I glance over and I see my boy, my child. That's Roosevelt.

• 2:25Glynn Washington?

  And it hits me like a bolt of lightning from the clear blue sky. No way, no way, no way. My son, who at the tender age of 10, 11 years old, one day learned what meat production really was. And he decided right then and right there, he would never have anything to do with it ever again. He's been trying to convince me to become a vegan every day since. And now he's a full-on teenager. No way. I run back home, scramble through old papers, through broken computers, looking for this piece of writing, Roosevelt. And I can't find it no matter where I look. Where did I put it?

• 3:07Glynn Washington?

  Then I remember I had an old Yahoo email account. And so I sit in front of my laptop, forehead resting on the table for two hours, trying to recall the password locked out. Finally, I take a deep breath, close my eyes, put my hands on the keys, and just let my fingers type something on the keyboard. Voila, I'm in. Hit the search bar and enter the word Roosevelt. And what comes up is not just a character description.

• 3:48Glynn Washington?

  Nah, it's a full-on screenplay. Hundred and ten pages, beginning, middle, and end, right there. A full-on screenplay that I have zero recollection writing. So I read. I read it like I've never seen it before because it's like I've never seen it before. I can't recall anything. I don't know what's gonna happen next. I just, I just feel this character, this Roosevelt. I know this person, like a slightly older version of my boy. Uses the same vocal tics, same clarity of mind, of purpose. Things are either good or bad, black or white. Roosevelt demands that people clean your diet. Only then will you clean your mind.

• 4:33Glynn Washington?

  And I howl in recognition, this guy. I take this guy to basketball practice and holler at him about his homework. And when I finish the final page. I sit astonished, wondering who, what, really wrote this story of my son, years before I knew I would have one. And when my boy asked me again that very night, "When will I forgo the eating of animals?" I don't want to laugh because it's a serious topic. It is, but still, I have to wonder, where did this child come from?

• 5:17Glynn Washington?

  And who really wrote his history, before he had one?

• 5:29Glynn Washington?

  Spook Starts.

• 5:32Glynn Washington?

  Now.

• 6:23Glynn Washington?

  Mysteries, mysteries everywhere you turn. Flora, she's just 16 years old. She lives in Montreal. But this summer, she's headed back to Macau to spend some time with her family to reconnect. I'm gonna let Flora take it from here.

• 6:42Glynn Washington?

  Spooked.

• 7:14Speaker 01

  So summer is the best time. But instead, I'm in Asia. It's like 100 degrees outside and it's sweaty and humid. And my mom tells me, my uncle from Indonesia and his son is coming to visit us for a week. So you know, I was like, okay, cool. And I'm just at home doing my own thing, watching TV or reading a magazine. And then the door opens and my uncle walks in. And you know, my uncle is this lovely, warm, tiny, tiny man, like 5'4", really short man.

• 7:57Speaker 01

  He walks in, he smiles, give me a hug and always a really, really sweet guy. And then behind him is this little scrawny little kid. And he has this bowl cut. But he like was hunched over. Just imagine like a wilted person. I just remember him like, it's almost like he had cement in his shoes. He was just dragging his leg. So I just thought that was really strange for a seven or eight year old. Because you have my brother, who's not that much older, bouncing up and down. I, you know, I just said, hi, how are you?

• 8:40Speaker 01

  You know, I tried to do small talk and he didn't really want to engage. So I was like, okay, fine. But he just followed me around, but he wouldn't really talk to me. And he just kind of followed me in a way that was like he was hiding. And then I turn around and there he was and like. Yeah, it was, it was very strange. It felt like someone was stalking me in my own house and it was like an eight year old boy.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  We lived next to this kid's park. All the kids would be playing, running back and forth. And this kid was just like, nope. So he's sitting, watching TV in the living room, and I'm just reading a magazine in the dining room, you know, just doing my thing.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  And I'm sitting in front of this giant mirror, in front of my dining table. And I slowly look up, just with my eyes, and I notice my little cousin just kind of spying and standing behind the sofa. I just felt super uncomfortable that I stopped reading and I turned around and just looked at him. And I said, yeah, what do you want? And, you know, he just came over and he said, "What are you reading? Can I see your bra?" And I was like, what? What are you talking about?

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Go watch TV. And he's just like, "I really want to see your bra." I'm like, no, don't, just go away. And I just kept reading my magazine and moved upstairs.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  I told my mom, I'm like, "Why is he speaking like that?" And, you know, and I said, "Can you tell him to stop?" And my parents are just like, "Oh, he's just being a kid." Like, you know, he's just being silly, it's harmless. So I was like, okay, he's just a... This is a phase boys go through. And I just accepted that.

• 11:02Speaker 01

  Then, all through the day, he just kind of followed me around. And he didn't just do it to me, he did it to all the women as well. And he like tried to hit... My mom walked by and he just like slapped my mom's butt. And my mom's like, "Ay, yo, you know, don't do that." And walked away. But, you know, they just think, oh, a little kid being silly. But I was like, "Get him the fuck out of here." Like, "Go away, you're freaking me out."

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• 13:35Speaker 01

  So my auntie and my mom tried to just brush it off as child's play.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  But I was going, walking by their room one day when my aunties and my mommy was just gossiping.

• 13:51Speaker 01

  And they were just chatting. And I overhear them say, "It's not normal. He's so young, why is he saying stuff like that? It's not, it makes me really uncomfortable. It makes my skin crawl." And they're like, "Yeah, it's not normal." And I overhear that he has behavioral problem, even standing back from Indonesia. And that's why his father brought him to Macau to bring him to the healer we go to. But even when my mother and my auntie is saying it, I just have this pit in my stomach. What I was experiencing is real. It wasn't just some child's play that I can just brush off because even my mom and my aunties, they were scared.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  It never stopped. He just kept saying creepy things all week long. And I didn't totally feel threatened because I could take him.

• 14:49Speaker 01

  But just the thought of it really creeped me out. But it's weird for me to say it because he's a child and he's my family, you know? But it just, there was something that felt unsafe when I was with him. It just didn't feel comfortable.

• 15:16Speaker 01

  So it's super hot. I didn't want to go outside. It's like 100 degrees again. And I'm just sitting by the breakfast nook because it's my favorite spot. That's where all the snacks are. And faces the AC, so I get like pure breeze. And, you know, I'm just hanging out by myself, reading a magazine. And the kid comes over to me again. And by this point, this is midweek. He's been here for a few days. I'm just rolling my eyes and just look at him and going, "What?" And he comes up to me. And once again, he does his thing. "You're so pretty, but can you not sit there?" I was like, why? What are you talking about?

• 16:00Speaker 01

  He's like, you're sitting under that thing. And then I realized next to my breakfast nook is a shelf of all these porcelain. And on top of it, my family's Buddhist. So on the top of the shelf is Guanyin, the goddess of mercy. It's a statue that we have there. And my dad, you know, give it incense every morning. And I'm like, you mean Guanyin? I asked the kid, I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, turn her around. I don't want to look at her. She's a killer. Turn her around. I'm like, what are you talking about? She's the goddess of mercy. It's the complete opposite of being a killer. And goes, I don't want to look at it. And then he walked away.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  And I noticed if I ever sit there, he never comes to bother me. So guess what? I spent a lot of time sitting on that bar stool and that breakfast nook. And he just wouldn't come. And he's like, why are you even close to that? Turn it around, get rid of it. And I was like, no, no.

• 17:08Speaker 01

  End of the week, my family, we usually, once a week, go see this healer.

• 17:17Speaker 01

  It's kind of funny. The joke is you give Canadian, Chinese, like free Canadian healthcare. They just go to the doctor, which is always going to the doctor for no reason. Like, my mom's like, it's preventative. I'm like, why am I going to the doctor today? There's nothing wrong with me. They're like, well, when there's something finally wrong with you, you regret it. And I was like, this is crazy.

• 17:38Speaker 01

  So we were going and my dad said, oh, your uncle wants to come to his back hurts. And also he decided to bring his son to come along. Because apparently he has really bad tantrum. He has behavioral problems. Maybe the energy session would like calm his nerves. I was like, okay.

• 18:07Speaker 01

  So it was just another regular summer day, blue sky, really nice in Macau. And my father, my uncle, my cousin, we all decided to go to the healer.

• 18:20Speaker 01

  We cross the border into China. And the healer's home, there's just two rooms. The living room where you wait, and then the healing room. And it's all just connected, and you could see inside. And she leaves the door open.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  The healer is just this jovial, lovely, like, happy chubby lady. She just exudes warmth. And she sees me, she gives me a hug, and you know, my father, she says hi. She looks at my cousin, and she just looks at him. And she said, "I'm gonna start with him first."

• 19:06Speaker 01

  And usually, there's an order. And she was like, "No, I'm gonna start with him first."

• 19:15Speaker 01

  She spoke in Mandarin, and she's like, "过来，进来." Like, means "come here, sit down." And lay on the, she has like those masseuse bed. And my cousin wouldn't walk into the door. He was like, "Why are we here? I don't wanna come in here." She just said, "Come in." And he's like, "No, no, I'm not going in. You're not doing that to me, I'm not coming in." And she put him the bed. There's like little chairs on the side of the wall. And we just sat there and just watched him. In this room, there's nothing, but just this bed, her chair, where she sits by your head.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  And when you lay down, you look, the opposite wall is a huge poster of the goddess of mercy.

• 20:10Speaker 01

  And she put him the bed, I just remember her smiling, really calm. She looks at him, and she goes, "Who are you? What's your name?"

• 20:23Speaker 01

  My cousin started sniffing, going

• 20:28Speaker 01

  and his hand just became like claw-like. And he started clawing a little bit, like rapid movement, kind of like a squirrel. And she, the doctor said, told the father,

• 20:43Speaker 03

  "Put your hands on his stomach. Don't let him move."

• 20:47Speaker 01

  And then she put her hand on his forehead. He's like moving his head really rapidly. It looked like an animal trapped. And it was like, his nose and his mouth just started squishing together. And he was going

• 21:09Speaker 01

  My cousin started speaking this dialect I didn't understand. But my father also looked a bit confused. And my uncle started translating and saying what he's saying to my father. That's when I realized my dad doesn't know what he's saying either. And my uncle was kind of shaking his head a little bit. And I think he was a bit shocked and he just said, "He doesn't know this dialect."

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Because it was not taught. It's a very old dialect in his region. But he was not taught that Indonesian dialect in school. It's not something you teach, it's something you learn. And no one really speaks it anymore, but my uncle understood it. My uncle was translating the whole time. And he started sniffing around. And in that dialogue, he said, "Who's this? Who's this person? He smells like a killer. He smells like a killer. Who's this person?" And the doctor was super calm and just kept saying,

• 22:13Speaker 03

  "What is your name? Who are you? Get out of this, child."

• 22:19Speaker 01

  My cousin's going, sniffing the whole time and trying to paw at the healer, asking, "Who's this person?" And he's like, "Get this killer away from me." The room started to smell like a wet animal.

• 23:03Speaker 01

  And it got really intense when he started spitting. Like, my cousin's not there anymore. It was an animal, just clawing and just kept saying, "Get this, this is a killer. Why are you trying to kill me daddy? Why are you trying to kill me? Who is this killer? Get her away from me. Who are you? What is your name? What is your name?" And the healer is like,

• 23:30Speaker 03

  "You don't need to know my name. You just need to get out of the child. Right now, you don't belong in him."

• 23:37Speaker 01

  He's like, "I'm staying in him." And then he turned to his dad and goes, "Daddy, this person's killing me." And she said, "I'm gonna ask the goddess of mercy to come help me." You see, she's there. My knees just started buckling, as, you know, like you're about to get into really bad trouble. It just, the energy just was so heavy. You know, when people talk about the thickness in the air, that's how, just, it started to feel difficult to breathe and it just smelled like an animal was here.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  He started coughing, coughing. And he's like, "Please stop killing me. You're killing me." And he does this, "Daddy, daddy, help me. Daddy, this person's hurting me." And the doctor's like,

• 24:35Speaker 03

  "No, that's not your dad."

• 24:38Speaker 01

  "Daddy, daddy, she's killing me. She's killing me. She smells like a killer. Why are you killing me? I'm not getting out. I'm not getting out. Daddy." The healer just kept saying,

• 24:49Speaker 03

  "No, you're hurting this child. Please come out. Get out now. You're not the son."

• 24:56Speaker 01

  And she's still smiling, really calm, as if like, you know, you would think that she's gonna be like, "You want a cookie next?" But she was like, "Nope." She was super, "Get out of the kid. Get out of him. Please get out of him. He does not belong to you." And he started coughing.

• 25:15Speaker 01

  That it's these white muc- like clear mucus?

• 25:20Speaker 01

  And at this point, it was too much for me to handle. So I just walked out of the room. But the actual whole apartment is just two rooms. I have perfectly good view of what is happening. I'm just not in the actual room. And it was just my uncle, the healer, and my cousin in the room left. But we can all see exactly what's happening. And my uncle's wiping mucus. He's coughing into just a piece of, you know, tissue. So he will come out, show us, like, you know, when the tissue gets all dirty, he'll come out. But he said,

• 26:04Speaker 01

  "It is the most putrid, disgusting smell. It just smells like dead carcasses that's been left at your house for like days, coming out of his son."

• 26:19Speaker 01

  When he's wiping the mucus when it's full, he went to the bathroom to just flush it. And I thought you have to burn it or something, but the healer was like, "No, just flush it." And my uncle just kept wiping this mucus off of him and he's coughing and coughing and coughing. And she's like, "A little bit more, get out of him. Get out, you don't belong here." And then she finally said, "狐狸走"

• 26:48Speaker 01

  "狐狸出来"

• 26:53Speaker 01

  "狐狸" is "fox", and "出来" is "come out".

• 26:58Speaker 01

  I just want to shut down and close my eyes and fall asleep in the corner because I was really scared. So I was looking out the window and it was blue sky. But all of a sudden, I noticed, out of the blue, there was no cloud in the sky. The sky was blue. I couldn't believe it was even happening. The sky turned black and it just started pouring. Thunder pouring, super hard, like torrential rainstorm. I'm just looking around, wondering what is happening? The forecast said it was clear sky all day.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  So it's thundering and in the back of me, I can just hear the healer saying a Buddhist prayer and asking Guanyin to come and help cast this spirit away. And my cousin, she's coughing and crying and saying, "No, don't kill me. Please stop, I'm, I'm, please stop, please don't kill me." He kept saying that.

• 28:03Speaker 01

  The healer spoke in Mandarin and she just said, "You just need to get out of the kid. I have to get you out of the kid. I'm asking Guanyin to come help and we're not killing you, but you don't belong in here. This is not where you're supposed to live." So I understood kind of what's happening. And the, you know, it got more violent, the coughing. And then boom, it stopped and cleared.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  It just felt like the last of it came out and washed everything away. And then blue sky came and the whole air just lifted. It almost like everything exploded and released itself.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  And then a different kid came out of the room.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  It was insane. A kid came out of the room. His back was straight, it was open and he's bouncing up and down. He's smiling, he's talking. The energy was completely, he bounced, he skipped. He was skipping, like, you know? He came out and talked to me like a normal kid. He was like, "Hey, I feel better." I'm like, "Do you feel better?" And he's like, "Yeah."

• 29:28Speaker 01

  So the kid was fine and I just remember going out to Dim Sum after my mom joined us and my brother and we were all just like, "Look at him, he's playing with the other children." I remember him playing cars and like the trucks and stuff they had. He was playing with other kids, laughing, jumping up and down and like it's just that brightness that children have, even when they're being like the biggest asshole. Like, am I allowed to say that? Like, there's just that lightness of like this, like the beauty of being a child, like

• 30:05Speaker 01

  that, you know, that grown up are too dead inside to replicate, but you know, that life.

• 30:16Speaker 01

  And then I started to think about, oh, the legend of the, of course, the Wulei Ting, like the fox folklore, but you know, I didn't think it would take over a child. But apparently his house was in Indonesia was built on the fox, quote, air quote, foxhole. And that's why the spirit entered him because he's the weakest of the family. Because he's a child, he's the only kid in the neighborhood.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  But to me, because of, I guess because of the things my cousin was saying, it was so sexualized that, you know, I just equated to a creepy old man, you know? But I think if anything, the spirit is trying to corrupt my cousin. By being creepy, he's distancing him from other good energy that could protect him. Because like if we all have like good chi and good, my father said magnetitism, we can help protect the child, but if you don't want to be around the kid, then he's easier to be prey.

• 31:35Speaker 01

  So after this all happened, you know, they were about to leave. And once again, I'm just, you know, hanging out by my favorite spot in the house, the breakfast nook, you know, reading a magazine and having a cup of coffee. I noticed my cousin, you know, who's a different being completely since his visit to the healer. He like skips, came over to the breakfast nook. Underneath the breakfast nooks is a cupboard where all the like good snacks are and like the chips and everything. And he just came over and grabbed himself a snack and climbed up under these like bar stool and just sat next to me and asked me what I was doing.

• 32:19Speaker 01

  And Guanyin, the statue is right there. He didn't care. He just as if he didn't even notice. So I, that was definitely like, whoa. And there's almost like an amnesia about anything before the healer about him. So it was just amazing. It was, I can't even describe it. Like it was like a different person was at the house. A child was back.

• 33:02Glynn Washington?

  Big thanks to Flora for sharing her story of the spooked. Flora, she is a listener and she sent her story to us. We love hearing from listeners. Tell us your terrifying tale. Drop us a line, [email protected]. The original score for that story was by Doug Stewart. It was produced by Annie Nguyen.

• 33:47Glynn Washington?

  Let the record reflect, real people telling you their real truth spooked. And do you have a story for you lived with, experienced, talked to, ate with, fought with, comforted, a power that was not of our experience? A story you're afraid to tell anyone else? Well, tell me. Spooked, it's snapjudgment.org, because there is nothing better than a spook story from a spook listener. And if you need that spook gear, the T-shirt of your dreams is available right now. It's snapjudgment.org. Remember that if you like your storytelling under the bright light of day, get the amazing, stupendous sister podcast Snap Judgment.

• 34:30Glynn Washington?

  Storytelling with the beat, it might just change your life, it's changed mine.

• 34:46Glynn Washington?

  Spook was created by the team that knows instantly if someone is being manipulated by outside forces. Except, of course, for Mark Wistich, he's usually being manipulated by outside forces. There's Anna Sussman, Chief Spookster is Eliza Smith, Chris Hambrick, Amy Nguyen, Lauren Newsom, Leon Morimoto, Renzo Goryo, Taylor Decot, Davy Kim, Marissa Dodge, Zoe Frigno, Tiffany DeLiza, Ann Ford, and Doug Stewart. The Spook theme song is by Pat Massey Miller, "My Name Is Lou Washington." In darkness, the line, the wall between here and there, between us and them, grows more faint, more permeable.

• 35:30Glynn Washington?

  That once solid barrier fades to shadow, and this is why I advise you not to tempt fate.

• 35:39Glynn Washington?

  Remember, always recall, to never, ever, ever, ever, never, never, ever, ever, turn out the lights.