CA Wildires, Andrew Tate for UK Prime Minister, CES, and the pending AI Takeover | Tom Bilyeu Show

Welcome back to The Tom Bilyeu Show! I'm Tom Bilyeu, and today, I've got an incredibly insightful episode lined up for you. Together with Producer Drew, we dive headfirst into the complex world of politics, leadership, and the rapidly evolving landscape of AI technology. In this episode, we tackle some pressing issues, starting with a discussion on the cognitive abilities of prominent political figures like Trump and Biden. We'll also critique Gavin Newsom's wildfire prevention strategies in California, shedding light on the dire need for innovative regulatory environments. We explore the shifting landscape of political donations, with a notable move by billionaires from supporting Republicans to backing Democrats. Drew and I share personal stories and express our empathy for those affected by the devastating California wildfires while critiquing the systemic failures that perpetuate these disasters. This conversation isn't just about politics; it's also about understanding the influence of aggressive leadership on young men, with references to figures like Trump, Elon Musk, and Andrew Tate. We delve into the crucial balance between gender equality and partnership in relationships, advocating for seeing one's partner as an equal. On the technological front, we dive into the transformative power of AI, predicting significant advancements by 2025. We'll discuss how AI is changing the workforce, impacting industries like gaming, and challenging our societal norms. From political ideologies to the future of AI, we've got a lot to unpack. So, get ready for an engaging conversation full of insights, personal anecdotes, and a call for empathetic, practical solutions to today's challenges. Don't miss this eye-opening episode of The Tom Bilyeu Show! 00:00 Intro 00:50 CA Wildfires 13:30 Trump Calls Out Newsom 22:30 TATE 2024 37:35 CES RoundUp 43:21 Evolution of AI 01:01:39 AI's Rate Of Change CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Range Rover: Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://landroverUSA.com https://landroverusa.com Audible: Sign up for a free 30 day trial at https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY https://audible.com/IMPACTTHEORY1 Vital Proteins: Get 20% off by going to https://www.vitalproteins.com and entering promo code IMPACT at check out. iTrust Capital: Use code IMPACT when you sign up and fund your account to get a $100 bonus at https://www.itrustcapital.com/tombilyeu Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact Butcher Box: Choose either 2 pounds of wild-caught salmon, 2 pounds of grass-fed ground beef, or 3 pounds of organic chicken breast to get free in every box for an entire year. Plus, get an extra $20 off your first box when you use code IMPACT at https://butcherbox.com/impact Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:29Tom Bilyeu?

  And in today's episode, I'm going to prove it. At the end of the episode, let me know in the comments if you agree and no fair calling me dumb in the first 30 seconds. You have to listen to the episode. All right, Drew, how we feeling? Dodging flaming debris here in LA. It's madness.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Man, I thought I was in some type of apocalyptic movie yesterday.

• 1:46Tom Bilyeu?

  The bad news is you are minus the movie part. You're in the apocalyptic.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  The screens, the skies were orange. There was like ashes on my car. It felt really surreal. Thoughts and prayers, everybody lost their home, lost family. It's been so much displacement, so.

• 1:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I am very much being tongue in cheek. We got evacuated. I was on my roof spraying things with a hose. So this is gallows humor, folks. This is not me being blasé about it. This is. Crazy to the point where a very good friend of mine sent me a before and after. He lives in the Palisades, his beautiful home and then literally just ash. Like it, it is so startling to see it and he was traveling. So he sent me a text and he was like, everything I have ever owned, except the clothes I am traveling with is gone. And I was just like, oh God, I mean, that is, that is a level of brutal. And when it popped off and literally looking out the window, we could see the fire.

• 2:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Cause most people were gone. So you weren't here, but you could just see the fire crawling over the hill, like one hill over. Yeah, it was crazy. Lisa was screaming fire. Like we gotta get out of here. Honestly, when we left, it was like, it ain't looking good. This ain't looking good. So for sure, my heart goes out to everybody. Absolutely brutal. And to be completely honest, I don't consider us out of the woods yet.

• 3:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:04Tom Bilyeu?

  So we've got our house today, but are we going to have our house tomorrow? I honestly don't know. It is crazy right now.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  A very, very good point. So you guys were impacted by the sunset fire, which we just looked up a couple of minutes ago. That is now contained. However, the Palisades fire, the one that took out Malibu, all the PCH, they're still at 0% with that.

• 3:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Worst fire in LA history. This is crazy, dude. When you zoom out and see how much of the Palisades was destroyed, it's crazy. And to your point, it's still going.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  It's still going. We still haven't solved it. And I think that's, let's just start there. Cause I know there's a lot of, there's gonna be a lot of tweets, there's gonna be a lot of rhetoric, there's gonna be a lot of opinions, but like, I'm in the middle of a problem. Like I don't even know where to start. I don't even know where to go. Like just help us process this moment right now. Cause I know it's easy to be emotional, but just where should we start?

• 3:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Pull up Anna Kasparian. So look, she's, she's on an arc right now. So people are gonna say she's switching sides or whatever. She's gone full mega. So without getting into that, I just want to talk about this idea of is this a Democrat problem or not? So her tweet goes like this. In fact, we'll just skip to the bottom. You want to radicalize people against the modern democratic party, send them to LA. So this is in reference to the fires, just doing everything wrong. And the, it'll be up on your screen. So you can read the full tweet if you want, but I think blaming a political party is the wrong play. Thinking about the ideology that tends to be embodied by current parties, that's reasonable.

• 4:36Tom Bilyeu?

  So what I want people to understand is if you boot out Karen Bass or you boot out Gavin Newsom, but you replace them with somebody that has the same ideology, you're going to end back up in the same position. And so the right way to think about this moment or any moment is whatever a system yields, that's the design of the system. Now, it may not have been intentional. I'm not saying that they have intentionally designed California to burn. But the way that they have designed the system, the way the choices that they have made, not clearing out the underbrush, not doing controlled burns throughout the year, not allowing for the capture of more water, something to do with the smelt fish, I think. Cause it wants like a certain mix of freshwater and saltwater, like this really weird concoction. So I don't, I don't know the nitty gritty of that.

• 5:22Tom Bilyeu?

  But what I do know is that the way that the system is working now, LA burns and burns and burns. And you said something before we started rolling that I thought was really on point, which is, guys, at some point, when you, three years ago was the worst year ever, then the year after that is even worse. And now this year is even worse than that. At some point, you just have to say, this isn't working. And so that's what freaks me out is anybody that's a long time listener of this show will have heard me bang on and on and on about you need a KPI by which you judge the way that you have built the system to see if the system is actually serving what you want. So getting in a twist about the way that Karen Bass cut the fire department budget. Probably not the right way to think about this problem. People are looking at the data and saying, she didn't cut it, it was reallocated or whatever,

• 6:07Tom Bilyeu?

  and that they actually have a huge budget and all of that. Great. Let's say that that's true. In fact, run the thought experiment. She didn't change the budget at all. California's still burning. So that's where you have to go. It doesn't matter whether she's smart or dumb. What matters is the system isn't working. And if people are doubling down, because the, the one question that was asked of Karen Bass, and I thought was absolutely bang on, was do you think your leadership has been effective? Now, the only answer to that question is no, because I have not yielded the result that I want. Because the result that she wants, I, I have to believe to the core of my existence. She wants a healthy, thriving LA. She just disagrees on how we get there. Cool. I will give her that.

• 6:47Tom Bilyeu?

  But it's not working. And so if you can't stop and look at that and say, hey, this isn't working, you have a problem. And we have a modern political environment where that would be suicide. Now, there's a phenomenal look at, I forget what book this is in, forgive me, forgive me, everybody, but the idea will carry. That when you look at JFK and how he spoke about what happened in the Bay of Pigs, he owned it and was like, hey, ultimately, the buck stops with me. And he became more popular as a result. Now, that wouldn't happen today. You get eaten alive because everybody wants to be tribal. And so the right is going to look for a way to just assassinate her character. If she allows a clip of her saying, this was my bad, done, career over, finished.

• 7:29Tom Bilyeu?

  So we no longer have an environment where somebody can just own, yep, that was a mistake. We're not getting the result that we want and adjust. And so this, I don't want to fractal too much, but people treat you exactly the way you let them treat you. This is why Trump can get away with saying crazy shit. And it's just like, ah, it's another Trump thing. And you would never let another politician talk the way that he talks if they changed midstream. But if they build a career around it, you can get away with it. Anyway, the right way to think about this is whatever the system yields is the design, is the effective design of that system. Again, not necessarily the intentional design. So where we have to plant a flag is people have got to be able to say what KPI they're steering by, and they've got to say what they prioritize first.

• 8:15Tom Bilyeu?

  As far as I can tell, and I've not done a deep dive on this, as far as I can tell, what we're running into is people are not willing to say anymore, humans are my number one priority. And so we get this weird conflict with smelt matter. Okay, I'm not even saying that they don't matter, but I am saying very aggressively, Tom Bilyeu stances, they don't matter as much as humans. And so if to protect all this incredible stuff that we've built, if we can't bump them down in the priority list and say, hey, we know what's coming with these fires, it is, it has become obscenely predictable. And this is why Trump banging on at Newsom about, dude, you need to do something about this. We know it's just going to keep happening and keep happening and keep happening. He's been saying it for years, man. So there's no surprise here.

• 9:00Tom Bilyeu?

  We have to be able to say, yep, humans are our number one priority. Let's say that acreage burned, or human lives lost, or property damage, or whatever. That's our KPI. And, oh, year after year, this is getting worse. Okay, then we have to adjust our system such that it yields that KPI that we all want. And I really think this is born of the current battle between left and right. And again, the way you have to think about this is, you need the left and the right thinking. And it breaks very simplistically, very simplistically. It breaks to, the people on the left, from an evolutionary standpoint, are all about compassion, which you need to get a whole bunch of people to cooperate together, to be the incredible

• 9:43Tom Bilyeu?

  human nature that we see unfolding, building these incredible civilizations. You also need the right, which, from an evolutionary standpoint, says, if you only have the left, you only have compassion, you only want to unite everybody and make everybody feel good, you get what's called the free writer problem. And so people will begin to take advantage of that system. And so to hold that at bay, you need personal responsibility. People who are like, no, you're living your life like a moron, I'm gonna let you rot. And that sounds fucking terrible. And that's exactly why, in a modern context, the left has become so popular, is because in a time of plenty, like what we're living in now, in a time of security, like we're living in right now, you can get away with it for a really long time. And then, as the right is so fond of saying, you will eventually get punched in the mouth

• 10:28Tom Bilyeu?

  by reality. And so what we're seeing now is, when you vaguely prioritize, because I'm not saying everyone's sitting like, the smelt, that's all we care about, and smelts are number one. But when you sort of vaguely are like, well, the smelts are as important, and you never define your priorities, now all of a sudden, LA's burning, there's no water pressure to the fire hydrants, we did not do the things that we needed to do to build up the surplus of water, because we just got rained on, like, never before. I mean, record rainfall over the last eight months, or whatever. And yet, here we are with LA burning. So that is an ideology problem that has come to roost, that does not have KPIs that people are benchmarking against to say enough is enough.

• 11:08Tom Bilyeu?

  And so I, again, I don't get excited when I see people saying that this is a Democrat problem. It's not. It's an ideology problem. And the Democrats, as fast as anybody else could say, look, we want to be as compassionate as humanly possible, up to the point at which it diminishes the KPIs that we all agreed are the most important. And then we can have the debate at the level of, I don't think that's the right KPI, or I don't think you have the right value system. Cool. But now we're having the battle at the level that it actually matters, because all of our systems, procedures, budgeting is all going to be downstream of the thing that we have agreed that we value and that we're projecting. This KPI will be positively influenced by having these values. If you do it tribally, it just all becomes scoring points and we never get the change we want.

• 11:53Speaker 01

  No, I love it. And I think the important part is making ideology the focus. It kind of removes all the distractions that some of these other arguments are. Because yes, seventeen point six million dollars into the budget could have gone a long way. I'm not going to say that that would have helped the fifteen thousand acres that went up or the four. You know, you can't one for one that. I can't say that a budgetary decision that she made eight months ago is now the reason that we're in this mess now. You can't say that because she's a woman, because she's not a straight white male, that DEI is the reason that got us here and all these things like that. However, when you go to the smelt fish and things like that, it's like, yes, the environmental protections are something that the Democrats do champion. And this is an example of like, okay, I'm sorry, smelt.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Maybe we do kill a couple thousand in order to never have LA burn again. But then now we have no brush. Now we have a reservoir system. Now we don't have to do this again. And it's just, it's frustrating to me because last year we were talking about this. The year before, we were talking, if this was a once in a generation thing, like the thing that happened in Canada, they went up on fire. I didn't hear anything for 10 years. Then another fire happened. Okay, cool. I get that you're not prepared, but. This is not new. Yeah, this is a yearly thing. At some point, you have to stop, so.

• 13:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I think people have to embrace cause and effect, cause and effect. Everything is a trade off. So we are witnessing the trade off of prioritizing the environmental concerns. I'm not saying that the environmental concerns aren't real. I'm not saying that they don't belong on the priorities. But I am saying, if you're not willing to say, the edifices of civilization are more important. The, and I'm long term. So obviously, you can't just eliminate every animal. That would be its own hellscape. So this is a balance. It is extremely nuanced, but unless you're having that discussion where you're willing to say, human life, the edifices of civilization, the creation of wealth,

• 13:45Tom Bilyeu?

  those are the things that matter to us the most. And we want the friction between the left and the right, because I want people standing up for the smelt. I want people standing up for ecology. A hundred percent. I want people standing up for the environment. But when it becomes taboo to challenge that, when it becomes taboo to say, hey, the way we rock is humans are the top of the food chain. People aren't willing to say it, man. And we have to go, the way that we make decisions now has yielded this outcome. If you don't change the way that we make decisions, we will continue to yield this outcome. Until you're having that conversation, you're going to death loop.

• 14:20Speaker 01

  You can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results.

• 14:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, definition of insanity.

• 14:24Speaker 01

  A hundred percent. And then if we go to Trump's tweet, Trump had some choice words for Gavin Newsom.

• 14:29Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, Donald Trump, this will be up on your screen, but Governor, or sorry, Governor Gavin Newsom, never missing an opportunity to dig our boy Trump. Refused to sign the water restoration declaration put before him that would have allowed millions of gallons of water from excess. So this is the same thing. He's been banging on, he's been calling this out. Now, what I find interesting about this that we haven't already talked about is that I don't think Trump gets credit for really being in the weeds on this stuff. And look, he talks loose and fast. I get it. He gives people the ability to discredit him just by the way that he'll say, everything is the greatest of ever, you know, all time, whatever. It's always the greatest. It's always the worst, whatever.

• 15:12Tom Bilyeu?

  It's just this very hyperbolic language, often to his benefit.

• 15:18Tom Bilyeu?

  But like, the more I look at him, the more I'm like, he really is in the weeds on this stuff. Like, he understands it better than people give him credit for. And so, like anything, the way I want people to view the world is, all of us are AI, and we're giving you one strong, sincere lens on what we believe is true. Now, politicians are a different breed, so you've really got to be careful with whether they're being sincere or not. But, uh, Trump does know the details. He's gonna get things wrong for sure, but he's not like at 30,000 foot in the way that, look, Biden has, as far as I can tell, advanced cognitive decline, so take that with a grain of salt. But when you hear him talk about things, it's like, bro, do you, do you know what day it is?

• 16:02Tom Bilyeu?

  So, Trump's not in that vein. Like, he's, he's dialed into the, um, at a minimum, the, the real detailed gist of the problem, even if he can't give you the exact stats.

• 16:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, cause honestly, he's the one who put the smell on my radar that made me kind of have to go and do my independent research. And I was like, okay, he actually, he, he, he got this one right. Um, and it's very interesting, cause we do get caught up in his language and his extremes, but he's not wrong. This was all on the table. This was an option. They took, they took the environmental option, and then now we are in the mess that we are today.

• 16:34Tom Bilyeu?

  And I want to be very clear about at least what I think he wasn't wrong about. What I think he wasn't wrong about is- Hold tight, we're going to take a quick break.

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• 18:55Tom Bilyeu?

  What I think he wasn't wrong about is it is knowable what causes these fires. There is a thing that you can do about it. And dear Gavin Newsom, you're not doing those things and it is going to have dramatic consequences. And so now here we are, we're witnessing the consequences and you don't get to go, oh my gosh, this is crazy. Who could have ever thought? Or, oh my gosh, this is crazy. We knew it was coming, but yeah, that's just the, the tough break of being in LA. It's like, dude, humans are so innovative. If you create a regulatory environment where people can actually solve these problems, they will actually solve these problems. And by the way, shout out to my boy Peter Diamandis, who has an X Prize going for wildfires.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 19:38Tom Bilyeu?

  So, ah, man, don't I wish that that had already been won so that we could have addressed this. But, um, yeah, creating the space for that innovation requires sensible regulation.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then last thing about the fires, I have to give it up to Shamath. I think he probably had the tweet of the night. That's the next tab.

• 19:55Tom Bilyeu?

  Chamath Palihapitiya, let's go. Why pay 0% in Nevada, Texas, or Washington where you have school choice and water in the hydrants? When you can pay 16% in California and have neither? That is, uh, nice and sarcastic. Yeah. I have to say, that one hurts. The, the amount that I've paid in California state tax is rough. It's got a lot of commas and zeros. So when you look out and you see the world on fire, it, people are gonna ask that question. What exactly am I paying for?

• 20:29Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm telling you, there's gonna be a time where the bill comes due and I don't know if this fire did it. I don't know if we need another year or two, but there is gonna be a rectifying California moment where we have to look in the mirror and say, okay, guys, y'all take half. What are we doing? Like, what are we actually doing? Cause I can understand if the schools were number one, I can understand it feels sunshine and rainbows, but there's still a homeless guy outside my house that my hills, hills are burning. The rich people are homeless now. Like, who's winning? Like, who's the, like, who's the oligarch that's like, ha, ha, ha, I'm like, nobody's doing good right now.

• 21:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, it's interesting you bring that up because people are gonna say it's the, I forget their names, but the people that own the wonderful company?

• 21:06Speaker 01

  Oh, the, the, all the water in current county.

• 21:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Here's the bad news. Who do they fund like crazy? The Democrats, it's nuts. When you look at the ratio of donations from the billionaire class, it's not to the Republicans, man, it's to the Democrats. When did that happen? Look, people have done exposes on that, so I ask that somewhat facetiously because we know it's all detailed. Go look it up. But yeah, it's switched at some point where the Democrats became, uh, captured by the donor class and not the Republicans, which is crazy. It's crazy. But I hate to say it, follow the money. And it's like, if the Dems are like hand over fist getting money from the billionaire class, that tells you something about who's protecting who. It's crazy. It's crazy. Now, I'm a headline reader about the wonderful company and the water, so people need to do their own due diligence on that one.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  And Anna's tweet had the whole expose, so if you guys want more about that, please check it out.

• 21:57Tom Bilyeu?

  She was responding to it, I think. Cause somebody was saying, no, no, no, this isn't the Democrats. This is the, the billionaire oligarchs, which I will. Again, pointing people at they disproportionately give to Democrats. Do the billionaires despite our boy Elon Musk, who tries to really make up for it as a one man band. So yeah, it's very interesting.

• 22:20Speaker 01

  Again, thoughts and prayers, everybody affected by the fire. We just hope we could figure this out because this is this is a rough one.

• 22:24Tom Bilyeu?

  No joke, man. And look, I don't believe in God, so I can never say thoughts and prayers, but for real, for real, this is gut wrenching. So we actually have people staying with us now who've lost their homes in the fires. And so I have in the last 24 hours, watched somebody cry over my entire childhood neighborhood doesn't exist anymore. And so imagine, I mean, look, there is something weird about the way that humans are so tied to like, this is a piece of my history. But imagine not being able to show like your kids where you grew up because it just doesn't exist anymore. It literally burned to the ground. It's that it is devastating on a level that would be hard to explain.

• 23:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Like my wife, and I hope she doesn't mind me sharing this, so far, which is all I will give it, so far, we have not lost our house. And she's like really unnerved, like can cry about it at the drop of a hat of just what it felt like yesterday. To look out the window and you just see this wall of fire coming over the hill, seemingly straight towards your house. And being like, whoa, I am completely helpless to stop this. And the panic and she's grabbing the dogs and you know, we had very few people here yesterday, but just like everybody, we gotta get out right now. I mean, she was like proper panicked and that.

• 23:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Somebody said that LA is a traumatized city right now. And I thought, wow, that's actually really true. Like being in it, I know I'm being jokey, but this really is gallows humor. This is my way of dealing with a very stressful situation.

• 24:00Tom Bilyeu?

  I think a lot of people are really, really struggling emotionally, just knowing that the threat is looming. Like, where do you go? Somebody was asking me, like, where are people gonna go? And there, in the Palisades, there are people of all economic strata. So this isn't just a, it's like, oh, rich people, fuck 'em. This is everybody.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm gonna say 180,000 were in the evacuation. Like, it's a ridiculous amount of people, so we're praying for you. On the other side of the pond-

• 24:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Drew's praying for you. I'm giving you thoughts, unfortunately. Sorry, I wish I could. I would if I could.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  He'll handle the thoughts, I'll take care of the prayers.

• 24:32Tom Bilyeu?

  There we go. Nice, Drew! I'm thoughts, your prayers. Come on, we need t-shirts.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  On the other side of the pond, Andrew Tate has announced he's throwing in his hat for British PM. He established the BRIF party, Britain's Restoring Underlying Values.

• 24:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Wow.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  I love it.

• 24:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, it's a stretch, but alright, I'm here for it.

• 24:54Speaker 01

  I wanna know how you feel, but I think there's one thing that he said that really jumped out to me, that with me running, whether I win or not, it's gonna force you to address the issues in the country.

• 25:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, that's interesting, and I think that was a part that Elon said he's not wrong about that. I think there's something even more interesting, which is he is running the Trump playbook. I don't remember who it was that first said this, but I found this very compelling, that Trump would have ridden off into the sunset had they not pursued him legally. Because he could have said, "The election was stolen, I've never lost anything in my life", and just gone and retired and been rich and golfed and all that stuff. And because they pursued him so doggedly, he realized, "The only way for me to get out from under this political persecution is to become president, and I can shut it down." And so you've got now Tate doing the same thing, saying,

• 25:46Tom Bilyeu?

  "Okay, you guys are obviously coming after me", this is his take, not mine, I don't know enough about it to know one way or the other, "But you guys are coming at me so hard that I realize now that I have to take a position of that kind of power." In order to get above this and here here is the reality. I want people to really think about this because I think the last call it 20 to 30 years have lulled people into the wrong sense of security. That just like with antibiotics, if you give people antibiotics, you will create antibiotic resistant bacteria because what happens is you kill most of them, but you don't kill all of them. And the ones you don't kill are fucking strong.

• 26:31Tom Bilyeu?

  They are hard or near impossible to break. They've got money. They've got fame. They've got intellect and they will fight you. They won't back down and it is not going to be as easy to break them as you think it is. And so we are now getting a politically resistant class of people. You've got Trump, you've got Elon, you've got the Tates and I'm sure dozens or hundreds of other people that have the fuck you money that are willing to say fuck you that are now gonna just come out in force that are going to like Musk is they're gonna fund the reverse DA. So if Soros was, you know, doing it for God knows how many decades in one direction,

• 27:15Tom Bilyeu?

  they're gonna start doing it in the other direction. They're gonna say, come at me with everything you got and I'm just gonna keep pushing myself to get bigger and go farther. And I think people are really underestimating. There is a certain type of particularly not even gonna couch it. There's a certain type of guy. He is not going to be fucked with. And he will go down hack and slash. Dude, do people not read history? You will run into the modern equivalent of Genghis Khan. Homie did not fucking play. When you read about these people, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. Humans are capable of that? Yes. Dude, you get these ultra bright people who are psychotically driven. They are very good at rallying other people around them and they are effective.

• 27:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude, say what you will about Genghis Khan and he was evil. But god damn, he was effective. That guy could lead and he could fight. And so you're gonna see that class of people rise up and you're just making them stronger by killing more and more of the weak people. This is how I feel about the inner cities. Slight tangent, but. When you see that problem up close, you realize, oh, this thing breaks almost everyone that it touches. But holy shit, every now and then you get somebody who escapes it and they are so good and so talented. They overshoot the mark by a thousand miles. I want 50 Cent on the show so badly because he is a modern version of this.

• 28:43Tom Bilyeu?

  Where, man, they tried. They in like the vague generic sense of, uh, yeah, you put people in poverty, it'll break them. Except every now and then you get somebody that just is resistant to that. And they come out hard and fast. So, yeah, I would say this is a bad strategy. Stop running it, even though it works on the vast majority of humanity. You were just making a lot of very smart, very aggressive, very aggressive men mad. And they are gonna arm up. I don't mean literally with weapons, but they're gonna arm up with power, with influence, with money.

• 29:23Tom Bilyeu?

  They're gonna put that shit to use and you will have broken their desire to be conciliatory. And that's what you're seeing in Trump, that's what you're seeing in Musk, that's what you're seeing in Tate. And again, probably dozens and dozens and dozens of people that I just don't know about.

• 29:37Speaker 01

  Hundred percent, I think it's swinging the other way. So where cancer culture, cancel culture was trying to make everybody play nice. There's now this revolution uprising of like, no, I am a man and I do what I want and I say these things. And the fact that Tate used that thing for his claim to fame, went through three trials. He's still kind of not out of the water. Romania is still prosecuting him, he's still stuck there. So he's not just, you know, fully extradited citizen.

• 30:00Tom Bilyeu?

  But he keeps knocking them down.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, but he keeps winning, he keeps surviving, he keeps getting it out. So it's like you're poking the bear in that, in that sense. And eventually you run out of options, you have to fight back, you have to fight the system and.

• 30:12Tom Bilyeu?

  This is another one where Tate, I think, would have been happy to just be a rich influential guy. But people are like, he's the Pied Piper, he's leading my son astray, we gotta fucking crush this guy.

• 30:24Tom Bilyeu?

  If people would just do it with ideas, just do it with better ideas. Show me a better version of what you want and let his, either his life and lifestyle are bad and will yield bad consequences and people will see that over time because you defeat him with good ideas, or don't touch it, but when you try to do this behind the scenes, hammering people, using banking systems and de-banking people and persecution and all that, and again, if he's doing horrible sex trafficking things, he should go to prison for it. But if I understood correctly, the reason the Romanian government dropped the most recent version of the case was because the judge said, "There are so many irregularities in the way that you guys have brought this case, I can't move forward with this."

• 31:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Which I read as, "You guys did so much shit that was illegal, trying to like crush this guy down, we can't move forward with this." And so, I don't know if they did that because there's nothing there, I don't know if they did that because they thought, "Fuck this guy, we just have to take him down so fast and so hard that we send a message to the world." But either way, bad mojo and yeah, you're gonna see this backlash. Now, one last piece of this puzzle that I think is important to put in place is, young men have a nature.

• 31:39Tom Bilyeu?

  You're having a biological experience. I really want people to get that. Fifty percent of us, so science says, is hardwired, it's unchangeable. And that means that young women have a nature, young men have a nature, old women have a nature, old men have a nature. These things are pretty predictable. And when you create an entire generation or multiple generations of these young men whose nature is to be aggressive, to seek status, to try to impress women, to gain access to resources and sexual access to females, and you tell them that they're bad, they're stupid, they're horrible, and you create an environment where they don't have access to status, they don't have access to women, all of a sudden, they're like,

• 32:23Tom Bilyeu?

  and when I say access to women, I mean that they're able to earn the respect and desire of a woman, okay? Let me be very clear about what I mean about that.

• 32:33Tom Bilyeu?

  You have compressed something down. You've tried to hold this energy down as if it were only the 50% that's malleable. That you could just calm them down and make them this neutered version of men. It's not gonna work because of the 50% that's aggressive, that seeks those things. And eventually, they're going to get a group of leaders that you couldn't break, that are politically resistant, that come out with all this aggression. And that part of them, that is just hardwired. When they hear that message, they're gonna be like, yo! And they're going to flock to it, which is exactly what we're seeing. And so you can pick your flavor. Do you want to see that manifest as a Trumpian character? Do you want to see that manifest as a Muskian character? Do you want to see that manifest as a Tatyian character? Pick your flavor. But, young men are flocking to all of them.

• 33:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. Do you think this will be a net positive for Great Britain politics as a whole?

• 33:23Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, Tate specifically?

• 33:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:25Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know, let's think about that.

• 33:28Tom Bilyeu?

  I think it will be a net positive that there is somebody representing the ambitious male. I think that is extremely positive. I think it's probably gonna be more positive in the way that Tate said, that this is gonna force you to deal with these issues. Uh, the way that Tate talks. Have I looked at him enough? I've looked at him a fair amount. So I would say that there is enough truth in what Tate is saying, that he is not a character you should try to dismiss. But, there's enough stuff that makes me uncomfortable in the way that he acts and behaves, that if it were my son, I, listening to him,

• 34:11Tom Bilyeu?

  I would try to combat it with better ideas, for sure. And by mapping out, okay, here's why I think these things that he's saying are awesome. Learn how to fight, dope, love that, be strong, dope, love that. Don't let people push you around, don't let anybody bully you, love, love, love. Be strong in who you are, love, all of that stuff. Here are the things that I think are not so great. And I would lean into the, the way that he over indexes on, um...

• 34:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Women are there to do what you tell them, to be subordinate to you. And I would, I'm very open to being checked in the comments because this is where I've heard enough to be like, oh, that grossed me out, but I haven't dug in deeply enough to know that I'm using the right words to represent his position. So I'm very open, by all means, share with me the things you think I need to watch. But I am a big believer that nothing in life is going to be as advantageous to you as being a tremendous partner, to seeing yourself as an equal to the woman that you choose to share your life with, to look at it as I'm good at these things, she's good at those things, and I want her to see the value that she has. And so I've heard him say things like, if a woman doesn't do the things that I want, then I'm just on to the next one.

• 35:28Tom Bilyeu?

  I can replace you so fast and all that stuff. And the absolute last thing I would ever want Lisa to feel, feel, feel in her bones is that I'm looking to replace her if she gets out of line. That's going to engender a deep sense of insecurity in her, which is not going to allow her to bring her best to the relationship. So what I want my woman to feel so that the relationship can uplift me and her is that you are my equal, we are good at different things. I want to be honest about what I'm good at and what you're good at. And when it's the thing I'm good at, I'm going to tell you, hey, this is the thing I'm good at. And so I've heard you, I can articulate your position back to you. I don't agree with you. And given that this is a thing that I'm good at, that you acknowledge I'm better at this thing, then where I'm going to take the leadership role here. And if it's a thing that you do well, I'm not afraid to

• 36:13Tom Bilyeu?

  follow you. So that to me has led to, not that to me, in my life, that approach has led to a very thriving emotional relationship, a ton of financial success, a marriage that has lasted over 22 years. I mean, just a lot of good things. So I think it is a more universal that when a man and woman come together, they really do form a whole. And that much like the left and the right need each other, a man and a woman need each other. And so when you have that, you are going to be a better version. So this idea of like, I could replace you in a second, you're just, you're creating, you're undermining them emotionally in a way that I

• 36:58Tom Bilyeu?

  think is not only detrimental to them, I think it's detrimental to you. Now, that's my value system. I don't need everybody to adopt it. But if you want to know how I would approach it if it were my son, that's how I would lay out the arguments of like, hey, these things are great. This I think is going to cause a problem for you and for her.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think it's interesting where we delineate that line because it's one thing to be an influencer and you're saying how you feel, but it's another thing to become a politician. And we have our Boosamante episode coming out soon where he kind of talks about strategically, you have to carry that information. You have to, you don't just represent yourself, you represent the country. You have to think about natural interests. Like, there's a lot of things that go into a British prime minister than just, I set the budget and I keep the border closed. And so I understand his points. I understand his vigor for wanting to do this. I hope that he brings a lot of values to the table. I hope that we address and the British people feel seen and heard and feel like somebody's fighting for them. But they're gonna need a lot more than bravado. And I just don't want this to be a bravado, he's the shiny object, so he should win type of like election.

• 37:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, that is very interesting. I think it's important to say that no politician is ever gonna speak for the body politic, so he's never gonna speak for Britons. I think what he represents is... More to come, we'll be back in a bit. You're probably paying two salespeople to do one salesperson's job. That's where today's sponsor, Pipe Drive, comes in. An intelligent, AI-powered sales CRM loved by growing sales teams. Pipe Drive just launched meeting intelligence built right into the CRM. Before every call, it pulls deal history and past conversations into one brief. During the call,

• 38:41Tom Bilyeu?

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• 39:28Tom Bilyeu?

  You can't ignore the result of your system. And so if your system of telling young men, you guys are bad, you're broken, you're this, you're that. If that made a wonderland for everybody, including those young men, great, but it doesn't. And so, given that, I think he certainly speaks on behalf of young, aggressive males. I think he probably over indexes on the aggressive part, but yeah. So what I hope, maybe saying what you're saying, but in a slightly different way is, I hope we can find somebody who is eloquent, center driven, unity in temperament,

• 40:13Tom Bilyeu?

  but understands that you don't get unity by saying, I'm gonna stand way the fuck over here on the left and you guys are all gonna come to me. You say, oh, I get it. I have these strong feelings over here on the left, but it is the friction between the left and the right that actually makes this work. And when I look at the KPIs, we're not getting the result that we want in the UK, in America and much of the West, Canada for sure. So yes, we're going to take all of these issues seriously. And we have in championing this over here, call it DEI, call it what you want. In championing this, we've gotten results that we don't want. And so something is gonna have to change. So to Elon's point about he's not wrong, about you're gonna need to deal with the issues

• 40:57Tom Bilyeu?

  that I put forward because I'm so popular, that I think could be beneficial if it lands in the hands of somebody that's trying to bring people together. So now this one, because I already, I hope compelled people to believe that AI is coming fast and it's gonna be crazy, but this, I want people to get how cool some of the stuff that's coming is. This car can jump. Now, the most important, and when I say jump, if you're just listening, you're not watching, I don't mean off a ramp. I mean, it can literally bounce itself at speed. So while it's driving, let's say it detects a pothole, it can bounce over it. Or hey, if you're a real life Fast and Furious person and there's road Spikes thrown out in front of you, you can jump over those. This is nuts.

• 41:42Tom Bilyeu?

  But the real thing I want people to take away is that you're in a cold war with China, whether you know it or not. That car is made by China and that car looks dope as fuck. That thing is so cool. And we're getting our asses handed to us in for sure drones, maybe robotics. And we've got to be very careful because Tom is very much an America in pole position kind of guy. And dude, when I see things like that, I'm like, oh, like these guys aren't for play.

• 42:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, BYD sold more units than Tesla last year. So, and they're not even in the US market yet.

• 42:19Tom Bilyeu?

  That thing looks cool. I'm here for one of those. My car can jump. Yeah. And it looks, that is sex on wheels. That car is stunning.

• 42:27Speaker 01

  Nuts.

• 42:28Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, I don't know if it's eight bazillion dollars, which by the way, another thing that came out of CES is the first thing that made me really consider buying a car. Is they have that one that out of the back, it's like a six wheel car. And out of the back comes a flying car, not technically a car because it doesn't have wheels. But dude, that's crazy. And I have to imagine go something like this. You up, traffic's too bad. You eject the thing, you fly, and then the car just sits in traffic and meets you at your destination. You load it back up. It's self-unloading. They didn't show it load back up or I didn't see it, but I'll assume it is. So self-loading and unloading. Dude, that is bananas. Watching CES this year, I was like, oh, the future is now.

• 43:10Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, of course, the things you see at CES are probably still, call it 18 months to five years out from like production. But there was some stuff that I was just like, this is awesome. I was so excited, man.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  And I know you're excited about the gaming updates too, because I feel like two or three episodes ago, we were literally talking about putting AI into Kaizen and seeing how they can learn. And then Nvidia just announced that they're doing this with PUBG right now, where they're having AI. Teammates, companions?

• 43:36Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, literally. Imagine that just like, they're just like your friends. Hey, go over here, do this. That's what they do. You can give them instructions. In fact, the better way for me to talk about this is where it's gonna go versus where it is now. Cause I don't know enough about all the intricacies of what it can and can't do right now. But the idea is that you have AI for your teammates and the AI is smart and it learns and it watches how you play and it responds to you. Okay, so instead of them being really dumb AI where like you point over there and it runs over and it does exactly what you told it. It's way more dynamic, supposed to be much more like your real life friends would play. Now, projecting out into the future where this goes, I guarantee you're gonna be able to assign personalities to the different players.

• 44:18Tom Bilyeu?

  And so like if you imagine playing a game where it's like you have that one friend who wants to be the tank, you have another friend that wants to be the healer. But they will remember the games they played with you and they will remember when you start getting shot at, you're likely to do this thing. And so they know how to move the way that you want them to move based on the way that you play and given scenarios. But things you didn't have to tell them to do. That they just watch you, they figure it out and they're like, oh, cool, I know how to help this person win. Dude, it's nuts. And the way the AI learns is it doesn't just learn from you, it's learning from everybody. So when you make an update, that thing gets smarter. And so one of the big breakthroughs for self-driving was realizing you don't, you can't pre-program everything in. You give it a brain, you teach it how to learn. And so it's gonna be the same with these games, that the AI is just gonna get better and better and better and better and better. Now, one final point on that.

• 45:03Tom Bilyeu?

  Ironically, what you're actually trying to do when making AI quote unquote "smart" is making the AI dumb. Because when you put AI into a game, the real problem is it kills you instantly. Cause it always knows exactly where you're at, it knows exactly how to get a kill shot, it never misses. And so you're trying to make it more human-like. So I don't mean they'll get better and better and better to where you just can't beat them. It gets more and more lifelike to where it will pass like a gaming touring test. Where you won't know, is this player actually my friend? Or is this player AI? Because it's so lifelike.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  And that, that, okay, it's interesting cuz it's like you want it to be the perfect companion, but it can't be too perfect, so it has to kind of have that human error kind of like buff on there.

• 45:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Do you ever see the movie Daryl? Oh my god. D A R Y L. It's an acronym. I don't remember what it stands for. I loved this movie so much as a kid. So Daryl is an android and he's adopted by a family. And what Daryl ends up realizing is because I'm perfect, my mom feels worthless. And so I actually, I think his dad has to pull him aside and say, she needs to be needed. Oh, such a brilliant insight into humanity. And it's true. We all need to be needed. And so he started doing things imperfectly, and then she felt like, oh my god, I can help him. Oh god, it's such a glimpse into humanity. So, yes, that's the one. So AI will have to figure that out to make us really connect to it.

• 46:34Tom Bilyeu?

  It's gotta have like those human imperfections. It's fascinating. Fascinating.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Man, alright, 2027. That's your prediction. I'm writing it down. Hold us accountable, chat.

• 46:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, let me tell you, 2025 is what's really gonna mess with you psychologically.

• 46:48Speaker 01

  CES just wrapped up this week, and we have plenty of cuddly robots and jumping cars and high-speed tech. But there was a very interesting tweet that I wanted to kind of highlight cuz I feel like this went under the radar. Salesforce just announced that they're hiring no more sales software engineers in 2025. Salesforce, one of the biggest CRM systems, one of the biggest B2B brands in the world. No more software engineers. We're good. AI got us. You say you've been banging this AI drum for a long time now, and I'm excited about the new chips and the processors, but I feel like over here, there's some shoes starting to drop.

• 47:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah. Okay, here's how everybody should think about AI. AI is like eating healthy, fasting, and going to the gym.

• 47:36Tom Bilyeu?

  It is great for you, but boy, does it suck. And so you first have to go through that really rough phase of you're addicted to sugar. Your every muscle hurts when you go to the gym. Uh, you're having to live a totally different lifestyle and so your dopamine plummets. And you've got to completely reorient yourself to getting dopamine from doing hard things, from seeing the physical transformation. And going through that transition hurt. I remember when I was first trying to go low carb, which was years ago, but um, I remember getting into a big argument with Lisa. Because I was like, if I eat a cookie right now, I will feel better. And it was true. If I ate the cookie, I would have felt better in that moment because I was getting a headache.

• 48:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Because I was transitioning from burning sugar to burning um, ketones, fat. And going through the transition was brutal, but on the other side, everything was better. And that's why I say that this is, this is the best time to be alive. Once we get on the other side of the transition, it's going to be great. But I really want people to be emotionally prepared for the transition period so that they know it's worth getting to the other side. Now, the reason I say AI is going to take people's souls in 2025, obviously I'm kidding, but only a little. So what's going to happen? And I heard Elon talking about this, that even he, the world's most effective man, even if you're not going to say the smartest.

• 49:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, even he is like, I don't know if we're going to have purpose. Once AI can do things better than us. 2025 is the year that it really starts doing that. And CES really brought this home for me because um, Jensen Huang, Huang, I forget how you pronounce it. Uh, the CEO of Nvidia, he brought to market basically a brain. That fits in the palm of your hand. And he said it is a supercomputer. Um, it's 500 bucks.

• 49:34Speaker 02

  This is a robotics computer takes sensors and just a madness amount of sensor information. Process it, you know. UMT cameras, high resolution, radars, lidars, they're all coming into this chip.

• 49:50Tom Bilyeu?

  And that thing runs their supercomputing cloud of AI. So now for 500 bucks, you can literally have a brain in your hand. I mean, it's just absolutely insane. And when you couple that with this announcement from Marc Benioff, who, just to be clear, didn't say they won't have any, just said they're not going to hire any new engineers, but that should be scary enough on its own. And that's in 2025. What's that in 2027, which is only two years away? So I can just feel that this is a year where it just starts to chip away at you. This isn't the year that like, um, we have artificial superintelligence and like, oh my God, we hit the fast takeoff and you can't recognize the world in eight months.

• 50:33Tom Bilyeu?

  It's not going to be that, but it's going to be a lot of people doing things like this where, yeah, we're not hiring any more engineers. Now imagine, just imagine that every large company did that. Just imagine if only 50% did that. Now, if you just went to college for four years to get your computer science degree, and now half of the largest companies in the world are not hiring any new engineers, that's going to be dark and that's going to be hard for people to deal with. We're, we're really, we're going to lose, uh, call it eight year generation of people who just their entire career just got derailed. They never quite made it. They never got senior enough. In any downturn, they're going to be the first to let go.

• 51:16Tom Bilyeu?

  They can't get a promotion because all the people ahead of them are, are better than they are, first of all, and are using AI. And so now you put those together and they just can't get ahead. And if you're not growing the pool of developers, then it really does become a zero sum game for promotions. So it, it just starts to get weird really fast. And what people have to fall in love with then is what does it do better for me when I can use the AI? Because if using the AI becomes this tremendous unlock, now all of a sudden it's like, oh, okay, this is the thing that I meant to be excited about is I'm able to leverage this brain in my hand. Instead of I'm being eliminated in the thing that I thought I was gonna do by this brain in the hand. But getting people to make that switch is really brutal.

• 52:01Tom Bilyeu?

  And before we started rolling, you had brought up this idea of like the steel workers. And what do we do? Do we tell them to code? And the reality is, what people are gonna have to figure out is what are they gonna do with AI? Because if you can get excited about the thing that you're gonna do when you control a brain in your hand, and it is, I mean, if people haven't used AI yet and seen how amazing it is and how much it can help you, it's absolutely incredible. It's really going to just extend people's abilities incredibly. But if you don't fall in love with that, if you don't get excited about that, this is gonna feel very, very negative. And a lot of people are gonna have a hard time making that transition.

• 52:43Tom Bilyeu?

  And then also, people need to decouple the idea of meaning and purpose from the only way I can get that is through my career. I'm not saying that's gonna be easy, that's gonna be brutally difficult, but that is what people are gonna have to do.

• 52:57Speaker 01

  I know that the AI change is coming and everybody is like screaming its praises. I seen one guy go viral on TikTok about how he uses ChatGPT at the grocery store and it's saving him all this money. So I definitely see the pluses of AI, you got me on the wagon, I have a pro description, all those things. But this reminds me of the early 2000s Obama era when we were making that transition to like green power and wind systems. And they told all the coworkers, it's gonna be fine, we're gonna get you guys coding and we're gonna retrain the workforce and you guys will be good. But something like this, where the most technically advanced people, the people that are studying coding, studying computers, they're the ones now being kind of obsolete, quote unquote. So how do they get retrained? They can't go backwards and become truck dropped, like it doesn't,

• 53:42Speaker 01

  where do people go from here? Like what about the, who are gonna be the steel workers in this AI generation?

• 53:47Tom Bilyeu?

  All of us, literally all of us. So, okay, this is why, oh man. All right, so right now, even though I really, really would not trade this moment in time for any other moment in time.

• 54:02Tom Bilyeu?

  It really is going to be difficult. So there are two things that people need to start looking at. Number one is the world is now going to change at a rate that the human mind is not prepared for. It it's it is going to be too much. There's no way to take that back. The rate of change is going to be too much. And

• 54:24Tom Bilyeu?

  that's going to be hard, I think, for everybody. And so even me, I'm already rank ordering the things that we do in the company based on AI risk. So what we call the content, what we're doing right now, has the least AI risk because I think some people are going to want to engage with humans. And I think that's going to be especially in the transition period. That's really going to be big, big, big, big, big. And so people are going to want to interact with a human. Even if I can't talk about issues as well as an AI, there's going to be a huge swath of humanity that's like, fuck AI, I don't want anything to do with it. I like Tom because he's Tom, he's real, he's a person, he's got a history, he grew up flesh and blood. Cool. So least AI risk, I won't say no AI risk, but least. Then we've got the education, what we're doing in Impact Theory University.

• 55:08Tom Bilyeu?

  I can't teach you how to run a business unless I tell you how to integrate AI. So that's at least middle level of AI risk there. I don't know if businesses are going to become predominantly AI. Now that changes my focus. So we were, we started sort of entry level, people that want to go to zero to one, launch their first business called Zero to Founder. Okay, cool. Then we started thinking, actually, you know, where we want to put our energy is to people that have scaled the business. Because I can talk in a way that the vast majority of humanity cannot, just because so few people have built a billion dollar company. So we were like, oh, let's really lean on that better profit margins. It's something I can do very uniquely. But as I started thinking about where's the AI risk there?

• 55:51Tom Bilyeu?

  I really think, and I think in the last episode, use the analogy of the shattered glass. Okay, that's what's going to happen. Building a business is no longer going to be this gigantic collective effort. It's going to be these really small shards, pods, fire teams, however you want to think about it. And it's going to take very few people to do really big things, which means there are going to be a lot of people that get displaced by AI. That say, well, if nobody's gonna hire me, then I've got to hire myself. And so I think we're gonna go through this incredible boon of people that don't get emotionally paralyzed. They end up launching their own company. So I'm like, I think we need to go back to the zero to founder, the person that wants to launch a company, help them deal with all the emotional difficulties and everything, a failure and how to do that well. But there's medium AI risk there.

• 56:33Tom Bilyeu?

  And then in the gaming space, it it's catastrophic AI risk. So that one is like, oh, this in three years could just be so unrecognizable that I don't even know what to do with it as somebody who has used the aggregation of capital and talent as the moat to do something that other people can't do. But then I pull the switch that I'm telling people they need to do now, which is, well, I need to get excited about what I'll be able to do with AI, with that brain in my hands. So instead of being traumatized that, oh, the moat I thought I was building of aggregated capital, aggregated talent, now actually becomes, well, could I build Kaizen by myself? Could I go in, work with AI, build out all the lore,

• 57:16Tom Bilyeu?

  leverage the physics engine that Nvidia is building, which is the thing I was most excited about from CES? If you haven't done game development, you're probably not thinking about how radical this would be. That if the AI, so when you say, build me a world like this, that it actually understands how, uh, when you step on dirt that's dry, that you get a little puff of dirt. When you step on dirt that's wet, you leave a little footprint. It just knows all that. And so now it's not trying to guess what the next frame is. It's guessing what the next frame would be knowing the laws of physics. Dude, that is so amazing. And so now as a solo developer, I'm like, yo, right now, that kind of thing is so hard to do.

• 57:59Tom Bilyeu?

  But the difference between games that do it and don't do it is is radical. So now I'm like, wait a second, like, I'm gonna be able to do so much more. I have to shift my brain over, though. I have to stop looking at what I'm losing, mode of aggregated capital and aggregated talent, to what I'm gaining, which is I'll be able to make something on tiny, tiny, tiny budgets that now totally unlocks my creativity and I can just be in there doing my thing. Now, look, the reason that Learn to Code became like a slur that would get you banned on,

• 58:34Tom Bilyeu?

  what was it called before Twitter? On Twitter was because. People realized, a lot of people, they can't emotionally, they can't make that transition. It's not that they can't learn it. Human mind is plastic. You can learn anything to the best of your abilities. We're all limited to different degrees.

• 58:54Tom Bilyeu?

  But the people that can make that transition, this is going to be amazing. Once you go, I'm going to stop focusing on how much it hurts to let go of what I thought my future was going to be. And now I'm going to focus on this thing over here. Now, it is entirely possible that I'm a mutant in that way. In that, one, I love change. And two, I just don't have a problem shifting gears. I'm sure I've told this story before. When Lisa and I left Quest, that was really hard for her. That her identity was caught up in that. To this day, if she sees a Quest bar in an airport, she's going to take a photo. People have to remind me that that was the company that I used to own. I just, my identity is not like that. If I ever move on from Impact Theory, I'll just stop thinking about it, even though it's literally my face. But I just don't get tied up in it.

• 59:39Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm not saying that's better or worse, I'm just saying it is. We all have an architecture of our mind that leads us to interpret the world in different ways. So for me, this is a moment where I find it pretty easy to go, oh, that's not going to be my moat. What's going to be the next thing? Oh, it's not about moats anymore. It's about like personal expression and making every moment count. Cool, love it. Now, I get it, I have money, so I don't have to worry about that side of it. But I also think that when you project out where AI is going, I don't see any end other than World War III or becoming post-capitalist, where the cost of energy becomes so low and the cost of labor becomes so low that

• 1:00:21Tom Bilyeu?

  what you want it to do. There will be more robots than there are humans, that everybody will have a wildly intelligent. I don't know what the right way to think of it is, because if you think of it as a servant, it's going to trigger architecture in your mind, which makes you feel bad. If you think of it as a partner, an army of partners that all want what you want, that will execute what you ask them to execute, and they're freakishly intelligent. They're extremely hardworking, they never complain, they're just there for it. And they're going to help you get what you want. There's obviously a fractal in there about what happens to humanity, which I don't think this is the episode. But if people can switch their mind to, oh, my God, like this literally unleashes everything I've ever wanted to do.

• 1:01:06Tom Bilyeu?

  And then they understand you still have to find meaning and purpose. And so now what are you going to do with that? And look, I know that I can't see the future clearly. So the way that I view it now will end up being incorrect. I know that, but you have to navigate towards something. You have to connect the dots and say, this is where this all leads so that you can take action. And as long as you adjust as you go, you're going to be fine. But when I I felt this way for a while, but when I started watching the stuff coming out of CES. I was like, yeah, a hundred percent 2025 is the year where it just starts. No new engineers, anybody shots in film are now done with AI.

• 1:01:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Huge swaths of video games like motion and what's called rigging. It's just all done by AI. That's going to start this year. And so it'll be just like the death of a thousand cuts. And the confusion it will create in people in terms of what do I tell my kids to study? It's going to be a thousand little things like that. That's 25 25 isn't terraforming the world and it looks different. But it's terraforming the mind of, I know if I ate the cookie, I would feel better. And I don't know what my life looks like in that new world. And I'm just scared and I'm just paralyzed. And so I eat the cookie. And there's going to be a lot of people that quote unquote, eat the cookie that reject AI.

• 1:02:31Tom Bilyeu?

  It's going to get, I think, violent, not not, probably not in 25. But by 27, I think you see cruelty to robots. I think you see people.

• 1:02:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Let's keep it low key. I think they will vandalize robots. I think they will

• 1:02:52Tom Bilyeu?

  do things like the blowing up of the Tesla truck in front of a robot factory. You're gonna see a lot of protests. By twenty seven, that that's where this all goes. And the unnerving of the world starts this year.

• 1:03:08Speaker 01

  It's crazy because hearing you kind of go through the different breakdown and the ripple effect that it has in society, the underlying thing, and I even wrote it down, was like, it's a psychological impact.

• 1:03:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 1:03:16Speaker 01

  Like, we're gonna have to relearn how we organize as a civilization now with this thing.

• 1:03:25Speaker 01

  That for some reason, that seems bigger than like post capitalism. I understand that, but this kind of seems bigger because it's like we have to kind of redefine the rules now almost in a weird way.

• 1:03:35Tom Bilyeu?

  You know, a really weird thing that I think this is gonna do, and I will remind everybody that my initial love is writing. And there is some part of me that still views myself as a sci fi writer. I think that AI eroding people's sense of meaning and purpose on Earth will push people to want to colonize Mars. And they're gonna be like, I need to be a part of something where we're building something from scratch. I want to put myself at risk. I want to do something hard. I don't think people understand. The one thing that I worry will really derange humanity is when we have robots that will do everything for us and everything is easy. And the royal penis is clean sire and robots are wiping your ass and you don't have to work for anything.

• 1:04:20Tom Bilyeu?

  That scares me more than anything. We are designed to struggle. And so if people channel that into I'm gonna go colonize Mars, I'm gonna do these hard things, I'm gonna build, what are they Dyson colonies? I forget what those are called, but the orbiting cities and stuff. Yeah, at least as a sci fi writer, that is so cool to me. But you will get people that push themselves to do just crazy, crazy, crazy shit. My personal favorite, of course, is building synthetic worlds that we can live in. But again, that's a fractal for another day.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  And then I know you say twenty seven, but do you see this kind of as like a? A stair step, do you see this kind of as a log scale? Like, what's the rate of change you think we get from like here to there like?

• 1:05:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Ooh, how fast it will happen? So, uh, there is a great graph that we should pull up that shows the rate of change in self-driving. So here it is. Full self-driving rate of improvement in disengagement ratio. In a single year, it improved a thousand X. Look at that, January 24th, you can't even see it. It's so small. And then now it is a thousand X more than that. It's absolutely crazy. And it will look something like that. That's in a year. That's not even over the year, uh, over years. So, once you understand the rate of improvement of AI, that's where people are really going to start to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second.

• 1:05:49Tom Bilyeu?

  So, this is going to happen in radical steps. And it will be a product release schedule. Now, if I'm understanding Sam Altman right, they actually delay the release of technology because they don't think the world's ready for it. They need to digest what's already been released. So imagine that they've already got like GTP5 ready to rock, but they're just like, y'all aren't ready for it.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  Y'all not even using four, right?

• 1:06:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, so it's like, woo, it's so fast that people are throttling the release. That's when you realize, uh-oh, like this is really moving quickly. Elon Musk said in 2025, he'll have a thousand Optimus robots in his facilities for them to test and train. Uh, and then I think he said between 50 and 100,000 in 26. And then, God, did he say 10 or 100 X that in 27? So it's like, yo, that's fast, man. That's fat. In three years, there could be out on the streets, a million robots? Bro, that's pretty crazy. And then what are we at in four years? 10 million robots? Like, it, it gets crazy really, really fast.

• 1:06:59Tom Bilyeu?

  This is like, if you just had a baby, before they go to school, there'll be robots everywhere. Everywhere. That's a kid that's already born.

• 1:07:10Speaker 01

  Sheesh. Man, um.

• 1:07:15Speaker 01

  I got nothing. That's because it's one of those things where it's like on paper. I understand the success rate. I understand why we're doing it. But I think that that chasm, that psychological like that, that check is going to be due. I don't know who's paying it. I don't know what it's going to be paid in, but that we're going to have to rectify that. I don't think it just zeroed a robot utopia. There's going to be some bumps.

• 1:07:37Tom Bilyeu?

  We're all going to pay it and it will be paid in psychic trauma and a little bit of blood. And I hope it's only a little bit of blood, but there will certainly be robot oil as well. And I really hope that's, I hope people can just adjust, but of course I know human nature better than that. So I hope that they take it out on the robots and not the people. But yeah, there's going to be at a minimum mud slung at the people building these things for sure. All right, everybody. Speaking of things that will mess with you psychologically, if you haven't already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary.

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