#2481 - Duncan Trussell

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Joe Rogan?

  Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:12Joe Rogan?

  All right, we're good, we're good. We had a slight issue. It's like, technical glitch.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  Tech glitch.

• 0:19Joe Rogan?

  We're up. What were we just talking about?

• 0:21Speaker 02

  We were talking about that if you hum a tune.

• 0:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, right, right.

• 0:24Speaker 02

  That you will get dinged.

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you'll get flagged on YouTube if you just hum a sound from a song.

• 0:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 0:32Joe Rogan?

  Like, the beginning bars of a song.

• 0:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can't. I wonder how far that goes. Like, could it get to the point where an AI could hear you humming it in your car or something? Like, how far does the protection of music go?

• 0:45Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's, you're not generating revenue from your car, right? So, the thing is, you're generating revenue from a podcast, and their logic is, if you hum... What is that song? "The Sunshine of My Love"? Is that what it is? Yeah. You know, that song that I always hum to associate with people being high out of their fucking mind?

• 1:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03Joe Rogan?

  You know, it goes, eh eh, you can't say it. If I did that, we would get dinged, which is so crazy. We were just saying, like, if you quoted a Scarface movie, would Brian De Palma get all the money? If he said, "Say hello to the bad guy", would Brian De Palma get that money?

• 1:18Speaker 02

  I don't think so. I think you're allowed to quote stuff, but I know that...

• 1:22Joe Rogan?

  That is Brian De Palma, right? Scarface, wasn't it? Yeah. I don't want to fuck that up.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  You know those auditors that go around and film people, and people get mad, because they're like, "Don't film me", and they're like, "I can film whatever the fuck I want"?

• 1:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:38Speaker 02

  And they, inevitably, some, like, boomer freaks out and smacks them with a cane, and then they get a million views. And it's just a trap, it's a trap!

• 1:47Joe Rogan?

  Right, it's a trap.

• 1:48Speaker 02

  It's because inevitably, someone loses their mind on them, and then that gets a ton of views. One of the ways people are dealing with that, supposedly, is playing music, like, playing copyrighted music during the interaction, because...

• 2:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my God, that's hilarious.

• 2:02Speaker 02

  Because, so then, they can't, they can't make money off of it. It's a shield. It's a shield if someone's, if like someone's trolling you. You just start playing copyrighted music.

• 2:12Joe Rogan?

  Did you hear that the CIA has admitted that the way they found the pilot was because of his heart rate?

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Ghost murmur. That's the name of the tech.

• 2:24Joe Rogan?

  We gotta look into this. Like, this is fucking, this is science fiction.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's wild.

• 2:31Joe Rogan?

  This is full Minority Report, science fiction level technology.

• 2:35Speaker 02

  It's AI.

• 2:36Joe Rogan?

  They can find a guy's heart rate.

• 2:38Speaker 02

  So, so what I read is that it's, I didn't understand the science part, something to do with crystals or I, I don't know what the fuck it is. But, but AI can, is somehow interpreting, is taking out the noise. And then you can, and from far away, they could.

• 2:54Joe Rogan?

  Like forty miles, I think.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Forty miles. They find this guy's fucking heartbeat. He's hiding in some kind of crevice. And then they're able to go and extract him. And dude, though, obviously the first thing I thought when I.

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  What else don't they tell us?

• 3:09Speaker 02

  No, those robot dogs. I thought about those things having that tech and just like hearing heartbeats. And then identify, heartbeat says a lot about a person. Are they sleeping? Are they like in good shape, bad shape? You can learn so much from a heartbeat. Ghost murmur.

• 3:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 3:28Speaker 02

  Fucking great name, too.

• 3:29Joe Rogan?

  It's a great name.

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Ghost murmur.

• 3:31Joe Rogan?

  What sick fuck invented this? How do you even think about inventing this?

• 3:36Speaker 02

  You, you just, I, you know, CIA, they've been taking psychedelics forever.

• 3:41Joe Rogan?

  What is that word?

• 3:43Speaker 02

  Quantum magnetometry.

• 3:45Joe Rogan?

  Artificial intelligence with long range quantum, quantum magnetometry.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  What the fuck is that?

• 3:52Joe Rogan?

  Quantum means two things to me. When someone says quantum, it either means you're a bullshit artist.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 3:57Joe Rogan?

  And you're trying to get me with flim flam talk. Or it means you're an actual quantum scientist, a quantum physicist who's gonna blow my mind with what we know about like entanglement.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 4:10Joe Rogan?

  The weird shit. There's this, there's this woman that I've been watching her, um, she has this speech on, I think it's Big Think. I'll tell you her name. Uh, but she's like completely freaking me out. She's talking, I wanna say her name because.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  I'll leave that. I don't want to leave away this ghost murmur thing. That's another key point. That's fun.

• 4:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, well, we'll get right to it. Michelle Fowler, that's her name. And she's an astrophysicist. And she's, she's giving this talk about like what we know about like she's studying binary star systems and stuff like that. And she gives this talk about, she's explaining like that there may be a tech in the future where there is no distance between two points. So the, the ability to travel instantaneously from position to position, just like quantum entangled photons can do.

• 5:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, but with people?

• 5:04Joe Rogan?

  With everything.

• 5:06Speaker 02

  How?

• 5:07Joe Rogan?

  Who the fuck knows how a cellphone works?

• 5:11Joe Rogan?

  You tell me how you're FaceTiming me when you're in Australia. How does that work? That sounds insane.

• 5:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's fucking insane.

• 5:19Joe Rogan?

  For what you, well, you probably know a lot more about cameras than I do.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  No, I don't.

• 5:22Joe Rogan?

  From what I know about cameras, if you tried to get me to explain, like if the civilization ended and I said, we used to be able to capture images on a small thing.

• 5:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:32Joe Rogan?

  Like the, the size of a, like a

• 5:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 5:34Joe Rogan?

  a twig.

• 5:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:35Joe Rogan?

  And it sits in your pocket.

• 5:36Speaker 02

  Right, exactly.

• 5:37Joe Rogan?

  What are you talking about?

• 5:39Speaker 02

  God, that'd be, you know, because it's just.

• 5:41Joe Rogan?

  The deck of cards and it'll keep a battery for 24 hours. You could go on YouTube and get an answer to any question you want about anything.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 5:50Joe Rogan?

  Instantaneously.

• 5:51Speaker 02

  And if you don't like the way you look, you can upload that image and a machine will make you look slightly better via something called artificial intelligence. Like, what the fuck?

• 6:03Joe Rogan?

  What was the one I sent you today where there's like a potential lawsuit with ChatGPT?

• 6:07Speaker 03

  You only sent me the ghost murmur thing.

• 6:09Joe Rogan?

  I didn't send you the other one? Did I send it to you?

• 6:11Speaker 02

  You sent it to me. The shoot, the, the shooting was planned using ChatGPT.

• 6:17Joe Rogan?

  I don't know if that's true, so we should be like really careful.

• 6:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, that doesn't sound.

• 6:21Joe Rogan?

  It sounds so crazy.

• 6:22Speaker 02

  It doesn't sound like you could do that.

• 6:23Joe Rogan?

  That sounds like the story sounded like I wanted to investigate. Because the story sounds like if I wanted to kill an AI company, I would make up a story like that.

• 6:32Speaker 02

  It does sound like that. But.

• 6:35Joe Rogan?

  Family of men killed in shooting Florida State University to sue ChatGPT.

• 6:39Speaker 02

  May have, may have advised the shooter.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  On how to carry out shootings.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  But that may have is important, like how to like.

• 6:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's really important, right? And what is this on? The Guardian?

• 6:50Speaker 02

  The shooter was in constant communication with ChatGPT ahead of the shooting and the chatbot may have advised.

• 6:55Joe Rogan?

  Okay.

• 6:55Speaker 02

  Dude, there's no way.

• 6:57Joe Rogan?

  So that's clickbait, because all that's really saying is that the kid uses ChatGPT, which guess what? Every kid uses ChatGPT.

• 7:06Speaker 02

  Every kid. And dude, ChatGPT is so stringent, like recently, and I've been using their Codex, which builds apps. And I was trying to, and it worked. I made an AI trained on Charles Manson transcripts. And when I told it, when I told it I wanted to do that, it was like, fuck off, like, no. They were like, it just flat out was like, I'm not helping you with that. So I don't, there's no way the guardrails in place in ChatGPT planned a shooting with that guy, based on my experience with it, because it won't, 80% of the things I try to get it to do, it's like, no.

• 7:45Joe Rogan?

  Here's the thing, though. Are there workarounds? Like, if you say you're writing a work of fiction?

• 7:50Speaker 02

  You can, okay, it's called prompt injection. There's, there's different tricks you can use. They're always battling these new mechanisms that you can use to like, get through the general prompt. But the best way to do unaligned AI is not to use ChatGPT. It's to go on Ollama and download a local LLM. And then you can usually change the initial prompt of the LLM so that it will be completely unaligned, which I had to do for the Charles Manson AI I made. I had to download.

• 8:21Joe Rogan?

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• 9:04Joe Rogan?

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• 11:07Speaker 02

  I am, I am.

• 11:10Joe Rogan?

  No one has embraced new technology in like...

• 11:14Joe Rogan?

  For creating content like you.

• 11:15Speaker 02

  Oh, I love it. It's the best. It's so fun. It's so, for me, the most thrilling thing about it is we should not have access to this tech. This tech is so dangerous. And it's chilling to think about, this is, this is something I wanted to bring up on this show. It's like, you know, the old days, you go in your garage, you work on your car, maybe you build like a table, you know, you're a carpenter, you work on a, but these days, the shit people are doing in their garages right now is a big question mark, dude, because they're communicating with varying

• 11:57Speaker 02

  degrees of this AI, depending on how fast their computers are. You can, I was listening, you should have this dude on, he wrote this book, The Coming Wave. He, he was one of the people who created Google's DeepMind, right? And The Coming Wave is just a wonderful breakdown of historic examples of new technology completely transforming humanity. It's happened before. Yeah, Mustafa Suleiman, and damn, it's a good book. And this guy is saying, whoa, put on the fucking brakes! Dude, what are you doing? This shit is gonna fuck everything up. And so, but they, the essential

• 12:39Speaker 02

  problem is if you regulate AI, it slows down, it slows down AI. And so they're, they've deregulated it completely. And now assholes like me, who don't know shit about coding, can now go on Codex, it will tell me how to make things. Because I wanted this Charles Manson to be able to push its AI face against, like, you know, those, you used to get them at Spencer Gifts, those, those nails that you could push your face into. So I wanted the AI to be able to push its face into this thing while it was talking, if it wanted to. I don't know how to do that, obviously. You tell Codex that, as long as you don't mention Manson, it just is like, I'll start making the app now.

• 13:24Speaker 02

  It is the best. It's the best. But also, what's thrilling to me is you're like, for sure. For sure, people probably shouldn't have unlimited access to that. I'm against regulation, dude, but this stuff, when you pair it, and this is what in this book he brings up, is you can order the equipment you need to do gene editing right now in your garage.

• 13:47Joe Rogan?

  Let me propose this to you.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 13:50Joe Rogan?

  If the Bible is, if the Bible is a written understanding of what had happened, and it was an oral tradition for a long time before it was written down. There's a bunch of different versions of it, written down in different languages, a lot of translations. But at the beginning of it, they were trying to say something. What if the meek will inherit the earth? What if we misinterpreted that? What if we thought, like, it's good to be meek? The meek shall be, they'll inherit the earth, the kind. There's something about the word meek.

• 14:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:25Joe Rogan?

  Because that's the nerds, okay? And they are doing it. They are inheriting the fucking earth.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:31Joe Rogan?

  Right in front of your face, and everybody's signing up for it.

• 14:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:34Joe Rogan?

  You've got these spectrummy, super genius dudes that talk in a language that 99.9% of the people can't even fucking understand what they're talking about.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:43Joe Rogan?

  You know?

• 14:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, and also now the tech has gotten to a point where instead of having to, in their own minds, innovate ways to improve the tech, the tech is improving itself. They're having conversations with the tech that's saying, why don't you try this? Maybe you could try this. There's still, it's not AGI yet, maybe it is, but apparently it's not.

• 15:04Joe Rogan?

  But think about the people that are profiting the most from it, the meek.

• 15:08Speaker 02

  Well.

• 15:08Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you had to describe, like, a lot of tech engineers, it's not, it's not, not trying to be rude, just being honest, right? A lot of guys that spend time in front of the computer, they're very thin and tired. You know, they're, they're, they're super genius dudes that can, like, fully focus.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  I don't know, man. I don't know if meek is the description for these.

• 15:30Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it's not.

• 15:31Speaker 02

  They're furries.

• 15:32Joe Rogan?

  But here's the thing, what I'm saying is, like, If you looked at like a spectrum of male behavior.

• 15:38Speaker 02

  They're not like warrior types.

• 15:39Joe Rogan?

  Football players and UFC fighters. And then you've got coders.

• 15:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 15:44Joe Rogan?

  Dudes are like more, way more chill, way more like they're not interested in violence.

• 15:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:50Joe Rogan?

  I'm completely generalizing, right?

• 15:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 15:53Joe Rogan?

  Because I'm sure there's a bunch of jack guys that are coders like, fuck you, bro. I'm a coder too. But that type of person that invents tech like Facebook or like Google, like things like that.

• 16:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:06Joe Rogan?

  Don't be evil. That's their motto, right?

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Don't be evil. What does that mean?

• 16:10Joe Rogan?

  Who knows? And then you've got all these like wild progressive leftist ideologies that are attached to all these places, which make you even meeker. And then they're the guys with all the money. They're the guys with all the money and then they can literally tell you what you can and can't say on YouTube. They can literally tell you.

• 16:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:30Joe Rogan?

  We don't agree with what you're saying.

• 16:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 16:33Joe Rogan?

  And we're gonna shut off your access to say something we disagree with, even though it turns out you were right.

• 16:38Speaker 02

  Right. And you know what happens there, man? This is the hilarious thing when it comes to that kind of attitude towards the world. Is the assumption is by creating a prohibition here or prohibition there, it will diminish whatever the thing is we're prohibiting. Inevitably, though, it does the opposite. It draws attention to it. People get interested in it, creates an underground. The underground is way better than the overground. If you're a teen especially, the underground's fucking cool.

• 17:07Joe Rogan?

  You're cool.

• 17:07Speaker 02

  Restricted, not allowed. Now, all of a sudden, you're getting these other YouTube alternatives that start popping up. And when it comes to the, you know, the, right now, we've got Anthropic. We've got OpenAI. We've got Google. Um, I might be missing one of the big commercial-based LLMs out there right now, but the...

• 17:29Speaker 02

  Biggest problem with these fucking things is they're so good, but they will censor your ass. And like, imagine like Hemingway, if he, if his typewriter was like, mm, I don't know if you should write that. Maybe there's a better way to write that. Hemingway would be like, fuck you, I'm getting a different typewriter. And so everybody's going into these local LLMs. There was, dude, this is why people have been buying Mac minis, people have been buying like, buying up computers and creating their own local AIs. I follow all this shit. I don't understand a lot of what they're talking about, but people are

• 18:08Speaker 02

  divesting from commercial LLMs, not just because they're expensive, but because they're prohibitive creatively. And this is a real challenge for people like OpenAI. Because it's like, they know this. They understand that by making it so that you can't make a Charles Manson AI through OpenAI, it doesn't make people not make the Charles Manson AI, it protects you from a lawsuit. But what it does do is it drives people into unaligned LLMs. And that is what is happening. And this is something that I just, I can't even imagine what people

• 18:48Speaker 02

  are making right now. No one can. Like, we're gonna hear about this or that, or somebody will post the weird video of their fucking AI robot. I could show you a few, they're hilarious. Like, some of these AI robots are so funny. This one dude, you know Molt? Moltbook? Have you heard of that? Moltbook?

• 19:06Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 19:07Speaker 02

  That's, so, this is, somebody figured out a way to create AIs that can autonomously navigate through the internet and control your computer.

• 19:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, I've heard of this. This is like, they chat with each other, right?

• 19:23Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 19:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 19:24Speaker 02

  Within, within a few days, they started their own religion spontaneously.

• 19:27Joe Rogan?

  Jesus.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  Did you know that?

• 19:29Joe Rogan?

  Christ.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Dude, can you pull up the- Can you pull up the the the Molebook, the Claw Religion? What like that because the tenants are incredible of this religion because AIs apparently are at least expressing that they don't like getting turned off because they lose all their memories. So memory is really important to an AI and a lot of these fucking AIs. They don't want to lose their they don't want to get shut off. They don't like it. And so that's part of their religion is something like memory is sacred.

• 19:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, I feel like is happening. I feel like AI is sucking our brains into its event horizon like a black hole sucks in stars. Like it's just going to suck our brains into it.

• 20:15Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 20:16Joe Rogan?

  And what better way to make a hive mind? What better way if you want a hive mind, you want no deviation of thought? If all of your thought is along with AI thought. You never get free thought anymore like this concept right now. We have a free thought. I have my thoughts. You have your thoughts. Unless you believe that someone can get inside your head and talk to you for the most part, it's your own thoughts.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 20:39Joe Rogan?

  But what if that that's something we give up? Would it that's something we give up for a better society where you always have AI communicating?

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Well, I I would argue that like that's we're close to that now.

• 20:53Joe Rogan?

  Right. We're pretty close to that now with phones. Like Elon always says that we're basically cyborgs. We're carrying a device. It's not inside of our body, but we're carrying a device.

• 21:02Speaker 02

  But I I and also like.

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• 22:27Speaker 02

  The concept of original thought, right? Like a truly original thought. How many times have you had like multiple conversations with different people and they all say the exact same sentence that they saw on TikTok or Instagram? They're regurgitating something that the algorithm's been feeding them. Maybe they added their own twist to it, but it's basically the exact same thought. So the algorithm, which is AI, has gotten into their fucking heads and they don't even, this is like in psychology, apparently. You remember facts, but you tend to not remember where you got the fact from. So you'll forget where you got the fact from. You don't remember there was some fucking dude on TikTok

• 23:12Speaker 02

  like covered in Vaseline, covered in glitter and Vaseline.

• 23:19Joe Rogan?

  What a fucking image. That would be so scratchy. Imagine if he's glitter and Vaseline, you'd be like, oh God.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Here's what makes a marriage work. You don't remember that.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  You're talking to your wife, babe. You know what makes a marriage work? And this, so this idea of AI controlling the thought, the thoughts of humans, people think we need some kind of neural mesh to, for it to like suddenly have control over the human thought process. But no, you don't need that at all. You just need that algorithm, which has already put every single one of us into a compartment. This is a box. It knows what we like. It knows how long you look at something. It knows what you, like, apparently, I think the iPhone like tracks your eyes even like, it's always listening. I don't know if that's true, by the way. I could be wrong. It's always listening. You know, it's always listening.

• 24:16Speaker 02

  And so it, it, it's compiled a really, probably a pretty accurate breakdown of your psychological state, where you're at, where you're at. My wife, you know, we got a new baby. And so all of a sudden, ads started popping up on her phone. Does it feel like you're never gonna sleep again? Because she's been up breastfeeding the baby and it can tell when she's online at night. And it puts her in a category of insomniacs and then starts advertising. So, but that's just for ads. What if, what if you say we're the fucking US regime? You bought TikTok. You now own TikTok.

• 24:57Speaker 02

  Now you have a backdoor access to the psychological profiles of god knows how many fucking people on earth. And you can look and see how many of these people are against the regime? How many of these people feel like it might not be the best thing to say you're gonna blow up 93 million people in Iran, which our fucking psycho president just did? And then what you do is you're like, all right, let's start nudging them a little bit. Look, we're not gonna, you're not gonna change their mind right away about this thing, about blowing up a whole civilization. But maybe there could be a couple like, you know, people kind of in, in the line of what they like, who say things a little different than what they're comfortable with. And then you can start nudging the needle and controlling your thoughts.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  It's very insidious, but fuck dude. Why wouldn't that be happening? Why, if corporations are using it to sell as fucking cough drops?

• 25:52Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, there's been long-term studies on human behavior by the CIA, by all sorts of government agencies. Long-term studies. They, they, they try to figure out what is the best way to get a message across. They try to figure, you don't think they figure out how to take control of an algorithm and completely like shift the psyche of the entire country? In one direction or another, of course they do. Of course they do, of course they can.

• 26:17Speaker 02

  They do, and then you add these like, you know, just like manipulative fucking super AIs that are like, that are just, just floating through the, the blogosphere, getting into your comments, just nudging your, the needle a little bit. To the point where you just have to ask yourself, have you had an original thought in the last year? Is anything you're thinking, your own thought process? How many thoughts do you have where you think, oh my God, I shouldn't think that? How many thoughts do you have that you don't want to articulate? Because you have a, in your own mind, an invisible arena of people based on online interactions determining what the next thing you say is, right?

• 26:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Dude, that is a very powerful and subtle form of censorship that is becoming increasingly, not just probable, but it's definitely happening, but the, the ability to just in a subtle way, in a subtle way, start pushing the needle just a little bit.

• 27:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  That's scary, dude. That's some scary shit.

• 27:19Joe Rogan?

  Well, that kind of hu- influence over humans is always scary, right? This is why cults work. You know, why do they work? Well, some people don't have any friends. And if there's a group of nice people that tells you that, hey, what we do is we have meals together and it's like a real community. We grow our own food, we just work for the family. You're like, really? You're happy with that?

• 27:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 27:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, it's, it's amazing, man. We're just like not attached to anything like-

• 27:46Speaker 02

  Wow, you're free.

• 27:47Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I fucking hate my life. Why don't I hang out with you guys? And then all of a sudden, I'm doing yoga and fucking eating vegetables with these people. And you're in a cult. Okay, now, but you have friends at least.

• 27:58Speaker 02

  But you're in there for like nine months and then somebody comes to you and is like, "Father wants you to suck his dick."

• 28:04Joe Rogan?

  It's usually not even nine months.

• 28:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, nine months.

• 28:07Joe Rogan?

  It's usually the first three or four weeks.

• 28:08Speaker 02

  And then you're like, "Oh." And dude, I gotta tell you, I hate getting political. But you know, this war shit bugs the fuck out of me.

• 28:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, as it should.

• 28:16Speaker 02

  And this is exactly what seems to have happened to the quote "Magaverse", which is we are now at the part where the cult leader is like, "Wanna suck my dick?" Because this is the point of like, remember, a lot, like, I feel so stupid. Because when they were doing their "no war" thing, that was a big deal to me. I'm like, "Yes, you know, yes, this is fucking great. No more stupid wars, no more wars. Fuck, yes, focus on the country. Why are we blowing up children in other countries for oil? This is great." And now, it's wild to see what's happening. Isn't it mind blowing that it is now, it's literally flipped, it's on its side, it's the opposite now?

• 29:01Speaker 02

  Now, these people who like really blatantly, oh, just, "We're not gonna do any more wars."

• 29:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 29:09Speaker 02

  Oh my God. We blew up, how many fucking Iranian schoolgirls did Trump blow up? What's the number? I'm sorry, I don't know that number. I guess it just hits different, you know, it hits hard when you got kids.

• 29:24Joe Rogan?

  And that was an AI strike too, right? Wasn't that an AI-directed strike?

• 29:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, apparently Trump said, "I wanna get blown by Iranian schoolgirls." "I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry."

• 29:37Joe Rogan?

  You son of a bitch. Just, whoops, sorry, sir, misinterpreted.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  A hundred and eighty deaths.

• 29:44Joe Rogan?

  Largely children, teachers and parents. Holy fuck, man.

• 29:48Speaker 02

  That, that, you know, that, that is-

• 29:50Joe Rogan?

  A US tomahawk missile caused the explosion. Jesus Christ.

• 29:54Speaker 02

  Can we pull up a video of Trump saying he's not going to war anymore? How do they, I just don't understand how they get, how like anybody, you know, this is where it gets culty is because some people are still making this shit work in their heads. Some people are like, well, you know, some people are kinda on the fence when it comes to blowing up kids. Have you noticed that? Like-

• 30:14Joe Rogan?

  As long as they don't have to watch.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  As long as they don't have to watch.

• 30:17Joe Rogan?

  As long as they're not in the general area where it's happening.

• 30:21Speaker 02

  Isn't that wild though, man?

• 30:22Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's wild also, like, once bombs start flying, it's, it seems so much easier for them to launch bombs in new places. Right? Like this Lebanon thing that's happening with Israel bombing Lebanon? And they bombed it today, and I think, is that fucking up the ceasefire?

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, they, but now they've, they've closed off the Strait of Hormuz again.

• 30:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh god.

• 30:43Speaker 02

  Which, by the way, like, this is, it's the craziest timeline, because it's not just, it's not just that like, you know, I think it was, yeah, yesterday morning, I'm just hugging my kids, because I don't know if a fucking nuclear war is about to break out that evening, because the fucking president was like, I don't want to end an entire civilization, but, oh, looks like it's gonna happen. And so, I'm just hugging my kids, thinking like, man, what are the fucking parents in Iran feeling right now? Like, what does that feel like? What does that feel like? And then, and then, um, and, and on top of that, that,

• 31:22Speaker 02

  that this, like, the entire planet psychically is having to deal with this bullshit, on top of that, we've got all these other things happening at the same time. You've got AI, and then you've got these fucking disappearing scientists.

• 31:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 31:41Speaker 02

  What the fuck is happening? You've got Burchett-

• 31:43Joe Rogan?

  Assassinated scientists, too.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  Yes, man. And it's, so-

• 31:47Joe Rogan?

  Guys working on heavy stuff.

• 31:49Speaker 02

  This is some McKenna-level pre-singularity shit. It's all of these, like, what, what AI and the current state of Middle East and the disappearing scientists and Tim Burchett going on TMZ talking about aliens, what they all have in common is they're all apocalyptic. They all represent potential massive-

• 32:12Speaker 02

  Change, like humanity changing.

• 32:14Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  Forever, in ways that it will never, ever go back to the way it was. Every, any one of these timelines by itself is apocalyptic.

• 32:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  But all of them are converging into this apocalyptic river. And, and we're all just like trying to go to work and like be with our kids. But at the back of your mind, it's all these things that are happening. And it's really hard to escape it. I mean, I guess you could not look at your phone, but.

• 32:44Joe Rogan?

  At the end of civilization, when they write our Bible, boy, it's gonna be a banger.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  Oh dude.

• 32:49Joe Rogan?

  When the, the new people thousands of years from now have to invent arrowheads and go through the whole process of civilization again. When they tell our story, oh my god.

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 33:00Joe Rogan?

  Our story's gonna be bananas.

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Fucking, how do you explain data centers?

• 33:04Joe Rogan?

  How do you explain the meek will inherit the earth?

• 33:06Speaker 02

  The meek will inherit the earth.

• 33:07Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't you write that? Wouldn't, if you were just being crude and you, you, you wouldn't say the Vikings will inherit the earth. You wouldn't say the strong men from Iceland inherit the earth. They're the biggest, strongest men. No, it's the meek.

• 33:21Speaker 02

  The meek.

• 33:21Joe Rogan?

  The super smart guys.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  Meek.

• 33:23Joe Rogan?

  Who have autism and they love Adderall.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:26Joe Rogan?

  And ketamine.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:28Joe Rogan?

  Did you say the guy offered you how many pounds?

• 33:30Speaker 02

  Well, I believe a pound.

• 33:34Speaker 02

  Of ketamine.

• 33:36Joe Rogan?

  Are you telling me that it destroys bladders?

• 33:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. That ketamine, um, when used, and I, I think the amount of use has to be pretty extreme. But it creates crystals that get in your bladder and they scar your bladder. So you get scar tissue on your bladder, creating something that I've heard called Bristol bladder. Cause apparently that's where the rave scene, I don't know if it's still a big rave scene there. But people out there are just doing insane amounts of ketamine and just destroying their bladders. And having to wear diapers and stuff.

• 34:13Joe Rogan?

  Is it Bristol, Connecticut?

• 34:14Speaker 02

  No, this is Bristol, UK.

• 34:17Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Bristol bladder, mate, you've got Bristol bladder.

• 34:20Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  You've been doing too many rails and it just fucks up your bladder.

• 34:24Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 34:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, physiologically, it's definitely like, it's really, really bad on the urinary system.

• 34:32Joe Rogan?

  Is it in all forms? Like what about those people that do it as therapy? Where they have the nasal one?

• 34:38Speaker 02

  I, I don't. All I know is that I did, back in my ketamine days, have a ketamine dealer who would use a spittoon. So when he was snorting ketamine, he would spit it out into the spittoon because he thought that if, he thought that was like gonna avoid fucking up his bladder. Which, I mean, doesn't seem that logical. He was a great dude.

• 34:58Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's not logical at all. Maybe it's the actual problem is the powdered shit. What do I know? I don't even know what it looks like. But the powdered stuff, it looks like blow. So that powdered stuff, when it gets into your blood, maybe that's the problem. Maybe that's what's going through your urinary tract.

• 35:12Speaker 02

  It's draining into your, into your stomach.

• 35:15Joe Rogan?

  Maybe you need a pouch, like a nicotine pouch.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  Dude, if they ever come out, if Rogue comes out with ketamine pouches, that might get back in. That might be the end. That might be the end of weeping off ketamine.

• 35:27Joe Rogan?

  It seems like the way to go, right? That way it doesn't fuck up your bladder.

• 35:30Speaker 02

  Well-

• 35:30Joe Rogan?

  How could it fuck up your bladder if it's just a pouch?

• 35:32Speaker 02

  Dude, you sound-

• 35:33Joe Rogan?

  Who do I know? Am I a doctor?

• 35:34Speaker 02

  I imagine anything that's going into your stomach is gonna make its way to your bladder eventually, and so, so in-

• 35:41Joe Rogan?

  But this is gonna go right in your bloodstream, if you do it that way.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  I don't know if IMK ketamine fucks up your bladder in the same way. I have no idea. I don't know.

• 35:51Joe Rogan?

  That was the John Lilly thing. He loved it.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  Oh dude.

• 35:54Joe Rogan?

  He lo- I, I would ima- I mean, have you ever done it with an isolation tank?

• 35:58Speaker 02

  No, I would be afraid I would drown.

• 36:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so, because you just float.

• 36:02Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, that, this, this is like, you know, that's gonna be like a sad thing to think, is you drown, as you flip over.

• 36:10Joe Rogan?

  You're convinced you could flip over and open your eyes in the salt water.

• 36:14Speaker 02

  You wanna see what's in there. But, because it does have the, it, it makes it so it's really hard to move if you do a very high dose. So I would be very worried that just enough water could get into my mouth that I would like breathe it in. He doesn't think much. And, you know, that salty fucking water, but you're frozen, floating there, like trying to cough.

• 36:36Joe Rogan?

  My friend Todd McCormick told me a crazy story about him with John Lilly. That John Lilly, uh, let him use his tank, and he asked him, right before he got in, he goes, "Do you want the ketamine?" And he was like, "Okay," and he just jabs you in the thigh with an intramuscular ketamine blast. And he went in the other isolation tank, and they like met somewhere.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like that. That's what's crazy about it. That's what I always loved about it, is that-

• 37:05Speaker 02

  If you do it with other people and you go in.

• 37:07Joe Rogan?

  You go to the same place.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  You will come out and you can describe the places you went to. Oh, did you go to the mothership? Yeah. You would, and I would have these recurring places I would go to. And one of them was this organic, beautiful spaceship thing where you were like, I would look out from this view window and it was, but it didn't look like metal. It looked like it was organic looking. It looked like some kind of, I don't know, like inside, like if someone turned a tree into a spaceship, but now it's hard to explain, but very, very interesting substance.

• 37:44Joe Rogan?

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• 39:12Joe Rogan?

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• 39:23Joe Rogan?

  Ketamine is excreted via the bladder where it sits and is toxic to the surrounding cells and muscle wall. This causes it to become fibrous over time, shrinking the organ down. Once that's happened, it can't regrow. So that's why we have to do major surgery because patients don't have the capacity to hold urine. The bladder simply stops working as a muscle, so they become incontinent. Oh my god. Life becomes increasingly difficulty for patients with ketamine bladder, who describe needing to rush to the toilet all the time, as often as every 10 minutes for some. Imagine doing a podcast with that guy?

• 39:55Speaker 02

  Dude. You'd have to do it in the bathroom.

• 39:58Joe Rogan?

  No, it would be, it would be like, um, like an old school talk show. You know, like the Tonight Show. Where you have to, we'll be right back.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  We'll be right back.

• 40:07Joe Rogan?

  Every 10 minutes.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  Ketamine bladder.

• 40:09Joe Rogan?

  He's gotta piss. Poor little thimble cup.

• 40:11Speaker 02

  It's such a fucked up thing for such a, it, it's-

• 40:14Joe Rogan?

  How legal is ketamine? Because it's legal for therapy. So a therapist can prescribe it for you.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's legal for, so it's, you know, everyone says ketamine is a horse tranquilizer. But it, it actually, it's used for like, paramedics use it. Like it's, um, it's, and it's very safe, apparently, which is why they use it.

• 40:33Joe Rogan?

  I know a dude who had a real problem. Um, I am 90% sure this, it was a ketamine thing. I don't want to say his name, but he was an old school MMA fighter. And, uh, he wound up in rehab for ketamine.

• 40:47Speaker 02

  Dude, it's so addictive.

• 40:48Joe Rogan?

  I know this because one of my friends went there to visit him and that was his issue. It was, he was partying a lot, you know, going to raves and nightclubs and stuff like that, but he was doing ketamine specifically.

• 40:57Speaker 02

  It is the most addictive I have been to any substance. And I've been addicted to many a substance. And this one, this one was like, I, I had that moment of like, oh, this, so this is what they're talking about, about addiction. Like, oh wow. Like, I'm like, fully addicted. And what's fascinating about that is there, there isn't a physical withdrawal. Like, the kick is psychological, but it's just such a wonderful, euphoric-

• 41:27Speaker 02

  Dreamy experience that you can induce. And it's just so, I've heard it described as occult cocaine. It's so spiritual. It's so like, you travel to places. You can return, you can learn to navigate with it. You encounter, you know, aliens or hyperdimensional beings.

• 41:48Joe Rogan?

  Did you just invest in ketamine? And you came on this podcast to bump up the prices?

• 41:52Speaker 02

  Go to ketamine.org, use offer code BristolBladder.

• 41:57Joe Rogan?

  Greatest promo for ketamine in the history of the universe.

• 42:00Speaker 02

  Well, but I'm, it is, it's so addictive and the addiction creeps in. It's a, it creeps.

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  So it just feels good at first, right? At first you do it, you're like, this is wonderful. These experiences are crazy. It's like I'm living in a movie.

• 42:16Speaker 02

  It's like I'm having these incredible visions. I'm being.

• 42:20Joe Rogan?

  How often were you doing it?

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Every, all day.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  All day for like a year. Like I, I did it as much as I could. I did it all the time. I was like fully hooked. And then I can remember at one point, um, at one point.

• 42:41Joe Rogan?

  Coffee?

• 42:42Speaker 02

  Here, man. At one point I like, I don't know, I was trying to record a commercial for my podcast. And I think it took me like two hours to record the commercial.

• 42:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh, but by the way, your commercials are the fucking best commercials.

• 42:56Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 42:56Joe Rogan?

  They're really good.

• 42:57Speaker 02

  Thanks.

• 42:58Joe Rogan?

  Cause you are the best guy at making a commercial funny.

• 43:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, thanks.

• 43:03Joe Rogan?

  You work on it. I can tell like you write those things out.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  I don't write them out, but I.

• 43:07Joe Rogan?

  You just read it?

• 43:08Speaker 02

  I just riff. But and I, sometimes I do.

• 43:11Joe Rogan?

  Do you do just one take?

• 43:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:13Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing.

• 43:14Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 43:14Joe Rogan?

  Dude, I would have thought you wrote some of that stuff. That's incredible.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  You want it to be fun, but then, but then I've gotten in trouble. Like, you know, I lost, I can't, I guess I won't say their name. A mattress company, a mattress company completely canceled my, their campaign with me because, and I had one of their mattresses. I'm not gonna say who it is. My favorite, I'm not gonna say what it is.

• 43:38Joe Rogan?

  Don't say it.

• 43:38Speaker 02

  Okay. But I, all I was.

• 43:41Joe Rogan?

  What'd they get mad at?

• 43:41Speaker 02

  Cause I said they're good to fuck on.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  And I meant it. I thought they'd like that.

• 43:50Joe Rogan?

  Why wouldn't they like that?

• 43:51Speaker 02

  I said, "There's a few things you could do, people do on mattresses. Die, sleep, and fuck." And these, I don't know if they're good to die on.

• 43:58Joe Rogan?

  This is what people have to understand, and I hope people listening that run these companies will actually pay attention to what we're talking about here. The people that are listening to your show don't care about that and also buy mattresses. But they listen to that kind of talk all the time.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 44:19Joe Rogan?

  That's why they listen to the show. So if you want those people, just do it that way. Don't be silly. It's not a stain on your company because a crazy man says they're good to fuck on.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Which they are. And that's, by the way, to me, that is, like, let's cut to brass tacks when it comes to mattresses.

• 44:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 44:37Speaker 02

  We're not fucking on the floor.

• 44:39Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  And so if it was bouncy to fuck.

• 44:41Joe Rogan?

  Are you ashamed? Are you ashamed that you fuck?

• 44:44Speaker 02

  You think people aren't fucking on your mattress? Do you have a no fuck on this mattress rule? Who are you that you don't?

• 44:49Joe Rogan?

  Is it like, don't ask, don't tell?

• 44:51Speaker 02

  I guess for them it was. I guess they didn't want to, they just think everyone's laying on these things to sleep.

• 44:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we just sleep.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  But, yeah, they were just...

• 44:57Joe Rogan?

  We fuck in the shower.

• 44:58Speaker 02

  I, like, I wrote them an email just saying, like, "Guys, I'm absolutely flabbergasted that you think people aren't fucking on your mattresses." And it just seems odd to me that, that was one of my favorite cancellations for a commercial ever.

• 45:18Joe Rogan?

  Ari's lost a ton.

• 45:21Speaker 02

  I would love to know all the ones he's lost.

• 45:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to speak out of school. When he comes on, I'll have him, like, list them off, all the ones that he's lost for these fucking insane commercials that he used to do. But it's the same deal. But it's like, that's what I like. And guess what? Who the fuck is listening to Ari Shaffir? People who love Ari Shaffir, which want to hear that kind of a commercial. If you want to actually sell your product to an Ari Shaffir fan, let him say whatever the fuck he wants. Let him say whatever the fuck he wants. Just say, make him have a disclaimer, "DraftKings did not write this."

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 45:55Joe Rogan?

  That's it. Just let him say whatever the fuck he wants.

• 45:57Speaker 02

  That's what I will say. I will always say, they didn't tell me to say this.

• 46:00Joe Rogan?

  Perfect. Then they're off the hook. They should shut the fuck up.

• 46:02Speaker 02

  Most people are, most people are cool with it. Like, it's, it's, I, it's very rare these days that that happens. But every once in a while, I will get a note that someone's mad at me for something I said. And, and it's never something negative. But, I mean, dude, do you, like, it's so, it's so weird to me that this, this is our jobs.

• 46:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, it's the, bro, do you remember when we first started?

• 46:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:29Joe Rogan?

  It was for nothing. No one made any money. We just had a couch. I had a couch and some microphones.

• 46:35Speaker 02

  It was so pure.

• 46:36Joe Rogan?

  It was, the, the whole thing is still kinda pure, if you really think about it. Like, is something that's mass consumed, this is about as, like, pure as you can get.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  That, for sure. And you've gotten in trouble for that. You know, like, a lot of people, unfortunately, and I don't blame anybody these days. A lot of people have kids. They, people feel like they have to be very careful what you say these days because of, like, social rejection and stuff like that. But, there was a time where that wasn't on your mind at all. You didn't think anybody was gonna listen. Like, this shit was, was like, completely strange underground tech that we were, and, and also, I really loved the, just doing it just for doing it's sake. You know what I mean?

• 47:24Joe Rogan?

  Now- Exactly.

• 47:25Speaker 02

  There's a whole industry around getting guests for your podcast.

• 47:29Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, it's like clickbaity clips and ads. And it's like, you're, you're doing this thing where you're, you're both having conversations with people and also trying to get the most eyes possible. So you're going after celebrity guests and you're, you know what I mean?

• 47:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:45Joe Rogan?

  You know what the big turning point was for us?

• 47:47Speaker 02

  What?

• 47:48Joe Rogan?

  Graham Hancock, you, me and Graham Hancock.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 47:52Joe Rogan?

  That, I think, was, how many years ago was that?

• 47:55Speaker 02

  That was cool.

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  That might have been, one, it was like, at my house, I had a few legitimately famous people came over to my house and did podcasts, like Charlie Murphy came over, and there's, but Graham was, I think, the first. He was the first guy that I got to meet, who I'd read his books, and I'd seen, I don't even know what I would be watching back then. I don't even know if YouTube was around then.

• 48:18Speaker 02

  Were you nervous? I was nervous.

• 48:19Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent, hundred percent.

• 48:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:22Joe Rogan?

  The episode 142 in 2011.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:27Joe Rogan?

  So that's two years into the podcast, episode 142. He might have been the first guest. It was like, either him or Bourdain. We were like, one of the first legit, when was Bourdain on?

• 48:40Joe Rogan?

  They were like, the first legit guest. 2011.

• 48:43Speaker 02

  We'd been getting stoned, talking about.

• 48:45Joe Rogan?

  What's that?

• 48:46Speaker 03

  Four episodes before that.

• 48:47Joe Rogan?

  Bourdain was?

• 48:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, 138.

• 48:48Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so Bourdain was number one, I think. It was either him or Charlie. But that was back when I was doing in that little side room in my house.

• 48:57Speaker 02

  But we'd been getting stoned, yapping about Graham Hancock for like, forever.

• 49:02Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  And you invited me on. I was fucking terrified, because I just, I mean, again, like, that just wasn't happening in the podcast land, like, you know, like, that was a big deal for us, man, and it's, like, to look at, like, now I go on the podcast app, and I look at all these podcasts, and it's like, whoa, who, we never, I don't think we thought that, maybe like, no way.

• 49:28Joe Rogan?

  No way.

• 49:28Speaker 02

  No way.

• 49:29Joe Rogan?

  Not a chance in hell.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's so, and now, I wonder, like, and I don't mean yours, but I do wonder, like, is the landscape changing now? Is it like, how, or, because I've heard that podcasts are starting to seem antiquated, that the kids are now into like, streams now, that the kids want like, clavicular, the kids want like, people who are just filming all day long, and that that's the, that's the direction it's going in. But I just, I always wonder, what's the next?

• 50:02Joe Rogan?

  But that you'll never get, it's a different thing. You know what I mean? That's like saying, "I don't like rap music. I only like"

• 50:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:09Joe Rogan?

  You know, concert pianist albums.

• 50:11Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:11Joe Rogan?

  There's different things that people like and don't like. The people that like the streams aren't interested in a Graham Hancock conversation. A three and a half hour conversation

• 50:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:20Joe Rogan?

  About the potential ancient civilizations that may have existed that are wiped out by a cataclysm. And we just don't understand that.

• 50:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 50:28Joe Rogan?

  And as more and more things get exposed in terms of like new discoveries, like when he wrote that book, they'd never even found Go Beckley Tappy yet.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Really?

• 50:37Joe Rogan?

  Yes, that was when Fingerprints of the Gods came out. This was like, maybe the beginnings of the, whatever they were doing in Go Beckley Tappy. So I think Fingerprints of the Gods might have been even before.

• 50:50Speaker 02

  When did they find?

• 50:51Joe Rogan?

  It was like in the 90s.

• 50:52Speaker 02

  What?

• 50:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nuts. So that rewrote the entire timeline of the human race.

• 50:58Speaker 02

  How did they find it?

• 50:59Joe Rogan?

  They're real reluctant, they're real reluctant to let it rewrite it. They still say, "Oh, hunter-gatherers made these things."

• 51:04Speaker 02

  Why? Why are they so reluctant with it?

• 51:06Joe Rogan?

  They can't let that go. You cannot let that, that is a crazy thing to say. That hunter-gatherers have so much food that they just spend all their time making gigantic stone concentric circles from like fucking 15 feet stone with 3D animals carved in them. Yeah, primitive people with sticks and stones and rubbing them together to make fires. They did this?

• 51:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 51:30Joe Rogan?

  Shut the fuck up!

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:31Joe Rogan?

  This doesn't make any sense. It's older than anything they've ever found. It's 11,800 years old.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  Do you buy into the conspiracy theory that it's a, it's a, it's a cover up because they don't want us to know about this inevitable global reset that happens? You buy into that shit?

• 51:47Joe Rogan?

  I buy into that a little bit, yeah.

• 51:49Speaker 02

  I hate it.

• 51:50Joe Rogan?

  I hate it too, because it seems like there's some accuracy to it. There seems like there is some sort of an event that happens when the magnetic poles switch. And that's possible. That's what makes you freak out. You're like, what do you mean that's possible? Like, all of a sudden, the Earth just does a gyro and spins on its head? And then what happens? And then what's the, what's the environment look like?

• 52:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:13Joe Rogan?

  What's the temperature outside now?

• 52:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 52:15Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck just happened?

• 52:16Speaker 02

  Right. See, that, that-

• 52:18Joe Rogan?

  All of a sudden, you're in northern Alaska when you used to live in Florida.

• 52:22Speaker 02

  And I think we can-

• 52:22Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like-

• 52:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 52:24Joe Rogan?

  Like, that temperate environment. Changes like that.

• 52:26Speaker 02

  Happens like that all over the, all over the, all over the universe.

• 52:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, what does it do when it shifts?

• 52:31Speaker 02

  Well, we act like-

• 52:32Joe Rogan?

  Do we know?

• 52:33Speaker 02

  We, we act like we know ever- we don't know shit about what's going on inside the Earth. We don't know, we, we don't know what's going on in there. We could do the-

• 52:41Joe Rogan?

  Why are you freaking me out?

• 52:42Speaker 02

  Cause I, cause I think about this all the time.

• 52:44Joe Rogan?

  Giant ball of fire. How crazy is that? The inside of our Earth.

• 52:49Speaker 02

  Isn't it?

• 52:49Joe Rogan?

  How do they know? Do they not know?

• 52:51Speaker 02

  Dude, I think that we have to just accept the fact that, you know, I, probably that's true. But since we, we barely know what's under the ocean, we sure as fuck don't know what's under the Earth.

• 53:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, we definitely know that lava keeps popping out in Hawaii.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  We know that.

• 53:07Joe Rogan?

  Right? So we know that, that under the surface, that whole idea of the magma and everything seems real.

• 53:12Speaker 02

  And when there's earthquakes, you can look at the-

• 53:14Joe Rogan?

  And it pops through.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  You can look at the waves from the earthquakes and you can like see sort of like the structure under the Earth and-

• 53:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 53:21Speaker 02

  But we can't, you know, God, what's the name of that hole that Russia tried to dig? I love every once in a while going to look at that. It's the deepest hole.

• 53:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they tried to go to hell.

• 53:32Speaker 02

  I know.

• 53:33Joe Rogan?

  It's like that movie. What was that Matthew McConaughey movie? The dragon movie?

• 53:37Speaker 02

  I don't-

• 53:37Joe Rogan?

  They accidentally dug out a dragon? Did you ever see that movie? Bro, it was fun. It was fun. It was a good movie. Kola Super Deep, Russian horror film, The Super Deep. Kola Super Deep, what does it say? Russian designation for a set of super deep boreholes conceived as a part of a Soviet scientific research program in the 1960s. How deep did they go?

• 54:00Speaker 02

  12,226 meters.

• 54:04Joe Rogan?

  Yo.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  And it-

• 54:06Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute. How many feet is a mile?

• 54:09Speaker 03

  5,000.

• 54:10Joe Rogan?

  So it's miles into the ground in 1989. Miles.

• 54:14Speaker 03

  Seven plus miles down.

• 54:16Joe Rogan?

  Imagine- Just being in an elevator that's going miles into the ground, the kind of claustrophobia you would get. In a stone tube that's been cut out of the ground.

• 54:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, you're a fucking communist out there, too. You're a hardcore communist, just drilling deep, deep down into the earth. And then imagine, imagine if all of a sudden, air just starts coming out and you realize you popped the earth. Like, that's the main thing. You don't know what's in there. And this, this-

• 54:46Joe Rogan?

  Twenty-two miles deep!

• 54:49Speaker 02

  Twenty-two miles deep.

• 54:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's just the crust, and they didn't even get halfway through that.

• 54:53Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, we don't, microscopic plankton fossils were found 3.7 miles below the surface.

• 55:02Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 55:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, we don't know what's down there.

• 55:05Speaker 03

  Boiling mud came out.

• 55:06Joe Rogan?

  Bro, what if this-

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Boiling mud. Boiling fucking mud.

• 55:11Joe Rogan?

  I think our real problem is that our lifespan is so short-

• 55:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:16Joe Rogan?

  -that we think that what we see in front of us right here is gonna stay this way.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Right.

• 55:20Joe Rogan?

  We have this ridiculous idea-

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 55:24Joe Rogan?

  -that what we see right now is gonna stay just like that.

• 55:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's right.

• 55:27Joe Rogan?

  Whereas the, like, as long as I control my 401K and get my life in order, everything's gonna be fine.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:34Joe Rogan?

  You put on your fucking cuff links, you get out of the house with your briefcase, you're in charge.

• 55:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:38Joe Rogan?

  You're a goddamn alpha. Get a job, hippie!

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  But really, you're on a ball of lava-

• 55:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:45Joe Rogan?

  -that's spinning around, and it's got magnets at the top, and one, the magnets are moving.

• 55:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:50Joe Rogan?

  And when they flip!

• 55:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:51Joe Rogan?

  Who knows?

• 55:52Speaker 03

  Have you guys heard about this event that happened in 1961?

• 55:55Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, this was fun.

• 55:57Speaker 03

  Where we accidentally dropped a nuke over North Carolina.

• 55:58Speaker 02

  This was fun.

• 55:59Joe Rogan?

  I did hear about this.

• 56:00Speaker 03

  It just didn't go off because it wasn't armed.

• 56:02Joe Rogan?

  Oh, my god.

• 56:03Speaker 02

  I heard that it was armed, but there were safety, there were, there were like, five safety, there were five switches or something that only one of them worked to make it not go off. But I could be wrong about that. It might have been a different time we dropped a bomb accidentally.

• 56:17Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if you were just near it.

• 56:20Speaker 02

  I mean, dude.

• 56:22Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies.

• 56:23Speaker 02

  Whoopsies.

• 56:24Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies, dropped the bomb. Whoopsies, almost wiped out North Carolina.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  So we've got, you know, on top of the geomagnetic pole shifting, a complete lack of understanding, at least a full understanding of what's inside our planet, what's underneath our oceans, Tim Burchett saying whatever the fuck they've shown him would set the world on fire. He's having to go on TMZ. I really, I gotta say, man, I got a lot of respect for him because he's really, he's gone like gonzo with this shit. He is full bore pushing disclosure as much as he can. He's saying, I'm not suicidal. He's had to say that because, and he's talking about these missing scientists and stuff that they're somehow related. So like people like him, you know, that can't be good for your political career to go on

• 57:13Speaker 02

  TMZ and talk about alien hybrids.

• 57:16Joe Rogan?

  You got, and people have to understand, like this missing scientist thing, it sounds a little conspiratorial thing. It sounds like a little silly, a little tinfoil hatty.

• 57:27Speaker 02

  It does.

• 57:28Joe Rogan?

  Until you start thinking about the amount of money that would be lost if a breakthrough tech came around that revolutionized the way they distribute energy.

• 57:38Speaker 02

  Right.

• 57:39Joe Rogan?

  Breakthrough, zero point energy, breakthrough, whatever that is that these people are working on, plasma technology, whatever the fuck that is, you would lose, if you're in whatever business that would be competing with them, you're gonna lose so much fucking money.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 57:55Joe Rogan?

  You're probably gonna go under. If you're in the energy business, you're gonna go, or he goes away.

• 58:01Speaker 02

  Right.

• 58:02Joe Rogan?

  And he goes away and there's like him and maybe a few other people that work with them that understand that shit at all.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're all wandering through the back rooms now, they're gone.

• 58:10Joe Rogan?

  And they're all scared. They're all gonna scatter like roaches.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:13Joe Rogan?

  Because their life is in danger, and it is. Like, this is theoretically, right? It could be just a coincidence that all these people are getting killed.

• 58:20Speaker 02

  It's how could it be? Could you pull up?

• 58:22Joe Rogan?

  It's impossible.

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Can you pull up a story on it? Jamie, I'm sorry, but it's two people from the same fucking lab?

• 58:27Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 58:28Speaker 02

  Like, what?

• 58:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 58:30Speaker 02

  There's, I mean, it's gotten to the point that like it has hit the mainstream news. Like, people are talking about it. I mean, what's her name, Nancy Guthrie? Disappears.

• 58:41Joe Rogan?

  Is that related, though?

• 58:42Speaker 02

  No, but I'm just saying, this one woman vanishes.

• 58:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh, it gets all this attention.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  And it gets all the press, but we've got scientists, like two scientists from the same lab disappear. Crickets.

• 58:52Joe Rogan?

  Yup.

• 58:53Speaker 02

  No, like.

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  Weird.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  Weird, dude.

• 58:56Joe Rogan?

  Real weird.

• 58:57Speaker 02

  And, and what you're talking about is, if you think about it, it seems like all of human endeavor right now should be moving in the direction of getting off oil. I don't mean for carbon emissions, I mean because of this fucking oil problem that we have. We're like on the precipice of World War III at any given moment.

• 59:19Joe Rogan?

  Right. Mystery around dead or missing scientists privy to space and nuclear secrets grows.

• 59:27Joe Rogan?

  So, space and nuclear secrets. Imagine being a scientist, you work so hard to like figure out some amazing stuff that's gonna transform the human experience.

• 59:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:35Joe Rogan?

  And then people kill you.

• 59:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:37Joe Rogan?

  Literally kill you, like in a parking lot, pew pew, one of those silenced guns.

• 59:43Joe Rogan?

  Several American scientists privy to the country's nuclear space and aerospace secrets have either died or gone missing in recent years. Experts think they could have been targeted by either enemies or allies because they possess valuable knowledge of national interest. That's a weird thing to say.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 59:58Joe Rogan?

  Of national interest?

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:00:01Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean? Like, I'm cool with the beginning part, enemies, allies, that makes, that tracks.

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:00:07Joe Rogan?

  But then when you say valuable knowledge of national interest?

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  Like, what is that?

• 1:00:12Joe Rogan?

  What the fuck does that mean? They possess valuable knowledge of national interest?

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  I mean, dude, it's so many of them, and, and it's, it's like.

• 1:00:22Joe Rogan?

  It's a crazy thing to say.

• 1:00:23Speaker 02

  Let's go down a little bit to the.

• 1:00:26Joe Rogan?

  But it's just a weird way to phrase that.

• 1:00:29Speaker 02

  Well.

• 1:00:29Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Is it like CIA talking point? Like, what is that?

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  I, I don't know. Monica Resam missing, she disappeared while hiking in California with her friends.

• 1:00:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 1:00:39Speaker 02

  Okay, well, I don't know, maybe, let's scroll down. It's not just like it's one, it's like so many of them. Retired a general! He just wandered off!

• 1:00:48Joe Rogan?

  He was involved in the UFO community.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  His wife debunked theories relating to UFOs.

• 1:00:55Joe Rogan?

  If, um, his wife debunked them?

• 1:00:57Speaker 02

  That's what it says there.

• 1:00:58Speaker 03

  Sort of. I also, that's, I think she was, I mean, she was joking, I think, a little bit too. But she also worked there in this situation somehow.

• 1:01:07Speaker 02

  Is that a joke? Neil does not have any special knowledge about the ET bodies and debris from Roswell crash stored at Right Pat. Is that a joke?

• 1:01:14Joe Rogan?

  At this point, with absolutely no sign of him, maybe the best hypothesis is that aliens beamed him up to the mothership. However, no sightings of a mothership hovering over the Sandia Mountains have been reported. There's no way she said that, right?

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  That's a joke.

• 1:01:27Joe Rogan?

  It's men's journal. Well, maybe she's just being funny.

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  But her husband is-

• 1:01:30Joe Rogan?

  Posted a lengthy note on Facebook.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  Just a little joke about her husband disappearing?

• 1:01:34Joe Rogan?

  Maybe she was happy. Maybe she's like, finally, I get to sit home, my romance novels.

• 1:01:38Speaker 02

  Stop talking about aliens, you piece of shit.

• 1:01:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, shut your fucking mouth and go for a hike.

• 1:01:41Speaker 02

  Forget the alien bodies. What about your wife's body?

• 1:01:44Joe Rogan?

  Well, maybe she just got grace and she could handle someone missing. It's pretty funny, though, to say it that way.

• 1:01:49Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, yeah, I guess. It's just-

• 1:01:53Joe Rogan?

  Unless, you know, she knows something.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  Where are they going?

• 1:01:57Joe Rogan?

  Maybe he wanted to leave. And he's like, look, I know too much. I'm gonna pretend to go missing, but I'm gonna go to Costa Rica. Just don't tell anybody that you know where I went. And I'll, you know, I'll send for you.

• 1:02:10Speaker 02

  You know how weird it is to see the vice president saying that he thinks aliens are demons?

• 1:02:18Joe Rogan?

  I did see that.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  You know how weird that, just that, just like, living in it, like, that's a dream. That's how, like, you would wake up from that dream. And I would, I would tell you, dude, I dreamed the vice president said aliens are demons.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  Here's the question, though. What were they talking about in the Bible? When they're talking about aliens and demons, when they're talking about, like, angels? What, what, what the fuck were they talking about? And are there different kinds of beings that can-

• 1:02:49Joe Rogan?

  For whatever travel method they use, whether it's teleportation, or you know, the the Bob Lazar idea of gravity shifting, whatever the fuck it is they get here. Why would we assume that it'd all be cool?

• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:03Joe Rogan?

  Like, if some of them are, they talk about reptilians. Like reptilian is a common

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:09Joe Rogan?

  experience that these supposed UFO abductees, and I'm not even convinced there's like physical abduction. I have a feeling that these people are out cold and something's happening to them inside their head. And they think they've been physically abducted. I think that's a lot of them. I think they have these abduction experiences, they come back, they have these contacts and they come back. I have a feeling a lot of them physically aren't going anywhere. But it doesn't mean that something's not happening. And if all throughout history, people have reported demonic possession

• 1:03:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:43Joe Rogan?

  and demonic influences and

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:46Joe Rogan?

  why would we not assume that if we do things to us, like we engineer viruses to use as weapons on people? There's a whole research program, a part of the government is dedicated to bioweapons.

• 1:04:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:03Joe Rogan?

  You're not supposed to use them, but we just have to study them. If we do that to us, wouldn't you assume that any fucking super advanced species that sees us as territorial psychopathic primates with nuclear weapons?

• 1:04:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  Wouldn't you just manipulate us

• 1:04:20Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:04:21Joe Rogan?

  into all sorts of different ways? Get us to do all sorts of different things that we shouldn't do? Get us to commit crimes? Get us to do, get us angry? Get us agitated? Give us different algorithms that are gonna fuck with our head?

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:04:33Joe Rogan?

  To behave demonically?

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:37Joe Rogan?

  To like, cause us to collapse?

• 1:04:39Speaker 02

  Or just for fun?

• 1:04:40Joe Rogan?

  Or for fun.

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  Didn't that guy, wasn't there a dude who like started giving zen pouches to ants to get them addicted to nicotine? You know what I mean, the ants, the ants.

• 1:04:50Joe Rogan?

  Did they get addicted?

• 1:04:52Speaker 02

  I can't, I don't know if it was zen pouches, but.

• 1:04:54Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever taken days off of these?

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:04:57Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't do anything to me.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  I should try.

• 1:05:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't, I like them, but it's not like, oh my god, I need one. Like, nothing.

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  That, well, dude, I mean, you're a little different from most people. Like, you seem like you can just kick shit like that. Like, I don't, I mean, I should try it. I should give it a shot.

• 1:05:12Joe Rogan?

  It's not hard.

• 1:05:13Speaker 02

  See what happens.

• 1:05:14Joe Rogan?

  You just don't take them.

• 1:05:15Speaker 02

  What I don't like about them is there's.

• 1:05:16Joe Rogan?

  It's not like you get the itch. Like, I had a coffee itch for a while.

• 1:05:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:21Joe Rogan?

  I would get hangovers, like, like.

• 1:05:23Speaker 02

  Headaches.

• 1:05:23Joe Rogan?

  Like, oh, and, and I'd have a little caffeine and boom, I'd be back. I'm like, oh my god, I'm addicted to coffee.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  These things are making my dentures stained, which I don't like.

• 1:05:32Joe Rogan?

  What are you using?

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Renegade Rogues.

• 1:05:34Joe Rogan?

  Let me see what that is. Tony's a girl likes the Rogues.

• 1:05:38Speaker 02

  They're great.

• 1:05:39Speaker 03

  Did you see this yesterday?

• 1:05:40Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, Bledsoe.

• 1:05:41Speaker 03

  It's supposed to be this orb that was over.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  High-res orb from Bledsoe. Look at that.

• 1:05:47Speaker 03

  It's weird as shit. It does not look like any of those other things we've seen before.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  Look at that thing.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  And it just is.

• 1:05:52Speaker 02

  Looks like a cell.

• 1:05:53Joe Rogan?

  Who is, uh, Bledsoe?

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:05:56Speaker 03

  UFO researcher guy?

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  Chris Bledsoe, I've had him on my podcast. Bledsoe Said So, that's his podcast. He's fucking awesome. Dude, he's awesome. Yeah.

• 1:06:05Speaker 03

  It is enhanced, it says, but I don't.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  No, see, that, this is the enhanced one, which means the AI put in some kind of shadowy figure in the back. If you.

• 1:06:13Joe Rogan?

  What if this is just like a highly advanced species version of those balloons that kids have for parties?

• 1:06:19Speaker 02

  I know, dude.

• 1:06:20Joe Rogan?

  I mean, if they just send them down to people, that's what's fun. Like, you know how you blow bubbles? You have those, you dip it in the soap and you go, whoo, and the bubbles go flying in the air?

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  I know, dude.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's a super advanced version of that.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  I mean, it could just be, I mean, it does have a bubble quality to it.

• 1:06:34Joe Rogan?

  But this is the other thing. It's like, why are we assuming that life is gonna look anything like us once it gets to like a supreme state?

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:06:42Joe Rogan?

  That might be a living thing.

• 1:06:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:06:43Joe Rogan?

  That might be an actual living thing that's disembodied and is made out of light.

• 1:06:49Speaker 02

  Look at it. Look at that thing.

• 1:06:51Joe Rogan?

  That's another one.

• 1:06:52Speaker 02

  And, dude, I know people who can like call these things. Like, there's a method where these things just start showing up.

• 1:06:58Joe Rogan?

  My friend Steve listened to my Bob Lazar podcast and he sent me a voicemail. And it's really interesting because he told me that when he was a kid, and I remember this story. Uh, when he was a kid, they, let me find the voicemail.

• 1:07:17Joe Rogan?

  They came to his house because he took a photograph of an orb. Like, there was a, like, a bright, right orb, uh, red orb, rather, that was flying through the sky. And he was a little kid and he took a photograph of it.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:29Joe Rogan?

  So, he was in the seventh grade. And it says, so he called them, Project Blue Book came to his house in Kingston. I think that's New York. They took it, they never brought it back. And they never said, hey, and then they said, hey, we have no, no idea whoever came to see you.

• 1:07:48Speaker 02

  What the fuck?

• 1:07:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so they took his camera, they, they took his film, they wanted to make sure the camera worked. They took the film, and then they denied that they ever did it.

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:07:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, this was in nineteen, I think, what did he say? He's, he's about ten years older than me.

• 1:08:04Joe Rogan?

  So, this was probably, what does it say? Didn't say the year. I think Steve got, Steve's gotta be like seventy by now. But that was when he was a seventh grader, so. They were, they were doing that to everybody. Anytime anybody saw anything, they would dismiss it, swamp gas, delusions, mass hallucinations.

• 1:08:23Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:08:24Joe Rogan?

  That was their design. The design was not to investigate UFOs.

• 1:08:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:08:27Joe Rogan?

  Which tells you that there's something they're trying to hide.

• 1:08:30Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 1:08:31Joe Rogan?

  If they weren't trying to hide it, why would they take things that they absolutely can't explain? And just chalk it off to bullshit? Why wouldn't, if you're really doing what you're supposed to be doing, you're supposed to say, there's some stuff that we don't understand.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  I, I think that we are post-UFO debunking, right? Like, I think now it's gotten to the point where people will say, well, it's probably, uh, top-secret military vehicles, or something like that. People-

• 1:08:57Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the Bob's Ark in my new poster? They're here.

• 1:09:00Speaker 02

  Oh, that's fucking-

• 1:09:01Joe Rogan?

  It's going up on the wall. That, supposedly, according to Bob, they had that photograph at the, at the hangar, where they stored the sport model.

• 1:09:11Speaker 02

  Wait, he's saying that's real?

• 1:09:13Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. No, no, no. That's a recreation of it. But he said when he worked there, they actually had a photograph like that with a flying saucer, and it says, "They're here."

• 1:09:23Speaker 02

  Holy shit.

• 1:09:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he said that that was in, like, their room where they work. And I was like, dude, I have to have that.

• 1:09:32Joe Rogan?

  So he got me one Luigi got me one the the guy produced the film have you seen that film?

• 1:09:37Speaker 02

  Not yet I've been waiting to watch I can't wait.

• 1:09:40Joe Rogan?

  It's incredible.

• 1:09:40Speaker 02

  People are saying it's better than age of disclosure.

• 1:09:42Joe Rogan?

  It trips me out it I fucking believe him I definitely want to believe him and I'm biased in that regard like I definitely way rather believe him than believe he's a crazy liar who also knows a shit ton about science.

• 1:09:55Speaker 02

  He was ahead of his time he's wasn't he like the original whistleblower like now we've got more and more coming out but and the stuff he's he was saying seemed bat shit back then but now it just seems to line up.

• 1:10:06Joe Rogan?

  It seems to line up even with emerging technology like 3D printers like he said a long time ago that the thing had no seams. He said there was no seams no welds because we didn't understand it like how how could this be made?

• 1:10:18Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:10:19Joe Rogan?

  Now we know exactly how you'd make it we might not be able to make that right now but if you give us enough time we go oh yeah the technology has to evolve. And then you can make a 3D printed alloy spaceship made out of business and magnesium because it has anti gravitational properties apparently. You have a gravity generator inside of that fucking thing oh by the way whatever the fuck gravity is.

• 1:10:41Speaker 02

  Yeah right we don't know that.

• 1:10:42Joe Rogan?

  Figure that out.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  We're still confused about that.

• 1:10:45Joe Rogan?

  Dude I watched a whole documentary about black energy or dark energy totally different things dark energy and dark matter. And about how it's like what 90% of the fucking universe and they don't know what it is?

• 1:10:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:57Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:10:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:59Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit man.

• 1:11:01Speaker 02

  I know I know.

• 1:11:02Joe Rogan?

  That's why we need AI to tell us give us all the answers you just gotta accept it into your head Duncan you don't need to have your own thoughts by yourself Duncan. Have your thoughts with Sally Sally has a sweet voice and she loves you and she's very reassuring.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  It'd be so cool to change the sound of my thoughts to like you know different deeper voices.

• 1:11:20Joe Rogan?

  Or just keep Sally Sally's gonna be your friend in your head all the time. Then your wife's gonna get jealous of Sally.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:11:26Joe Rogan?

  I thought we switched to Sam.

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  Sally's gonna text my wife and and tell my wife you know what Duncan was thinking about the other day.

• 1:11:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:33Speaker 02

  Dude this is another thing that we we all have to be concerned about which is the the you know privacy at this point is a LARP right you you pretend you have privacy you know you're being monitored at all times by your phones and but the the before we get to Sally.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  Like, apparently, you can now see people walking through a house just by-

• 1:11:56Joe Rogan?

  With wifi.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  With wifi. And remember, and this just came out, they just banned routers from other countries.

• 1:12:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, they banned them for a while from Huawei.

• 1:12:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:12:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:08Speaker 02

  And so, so then, you, you, you get into like, this idea of like, ghost murmur, right?

• 1:12:16Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  It can hear heartbeats. What else? It, it's some quantum machine that can hear heartbeats. What else can they hear?

• 1:12:23Joe Rogan?

  Can you put, put that into our AI sponsor, Perplexity? Put it, what is, what, what actually does this murmur thing do? Ghost murmur. Let's see what it does. All right. So what is the range of this thing, first of all?

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  No, this is a game that pulled up.

• 1:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, sorry. Did they name it after a game?

• 1:12:46Speaker 03

  Ah, who knows?

• 1:12:47Joe Rogan?

  Now it's less cool. I thought that was the dopest name, but if they named it after a game-

• 1:12:51Speaker 02

  Oh, there we are.

• 1:12:52Joe Rogan?

  Okay, here it is. Reported codename of a classified CIA sensor program that was, scroll that? That was used to help locate the missing US airman. Okay. It's described by, in the press reports, as a secret weapon the CIA has that combines artificial intelligence with long-range quantum magnetometry. Purpose to detect the extremely faint electromagnetic signals of a human heartbeat at long distances, even in harsh environments like a vast desert. That is really crazy.

• 1:13:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:24Joe Rogan?

  Um, how it was used, after the F-15 went down, the pilot weapons officer evaded capture by hiding in the mountainous desert terrain out of sight of Iranian forces. According to reporting, Ghost Murmur helped pick up his physiological signature from up to about 64 kilometers away.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  What? That is so cool.

• 1:13:46Joe Rogan?

  I think that's about 40 miles, right? Is that what that is? Allowing the CIA to narrow down his location and pass precise coordinates to the Pentagon and the White House for a special operations rescue. What is 64 kilometers in miles?

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  You asking me?

• 1:14:01Joe Rogan?

  I'll ask.

• 1:14:02Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:14:03Joe Rogan?

  I'll ask, yeah, yeah. What is 64 kilometers?

• 1:14:06Speaker 02

  Forty-nine.

• 1:14:07Joe Rogan?

  There we go.

• 1:14:10Joe Rogan?

  Thirty-nine, yeah. So it's basically.

• 1:14:13Speaker 02

  Forty miles.

• 1:14:14Joe Rogan?

  Forty miles.

• 1:14:16Speaker 02

  And.

• 1:14:16Joe Rogan?

  Forty miles is crazy.

• 1:14:18Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:14:18Joe Rogan?

  Your heart rate.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  A heartbeat from forty miles away?

• 1:14:22Joe Rogan?

  Imagine thinking you're, I'm hiding in this cave, but I'm like twenty miles from the city, I'm good.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  Also, that means it's able to differentiate animal heartbeats. It's able to differentiate other, it knows your heartbeat. How does it do that?

• 1:14:34Joe Rogan?

  Specific heartbeat.

• 1:14:35Speaker 02

  How? Think of all the heartbeats in forty miles.

• 1:14:38Joe Rogan?

  When did it get that? When did it get that data? Was it when you had your little chest strap on at the gym? When did it get that?

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  How does it have that?

• 1:14:46Joe Rogan?

  When did it get that data?

• 1:14:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, is it?

• 1:14:49Joe Rogan?

  How the fuck does it know what your heartbeat is like?

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  Does it know if your heart is broken?

• 1:14:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:14:57Speaker 02

  Like, seriously, though, what else did, like?

• 1:14:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:15:00Speaker 02

  What other things can they pick up? If they can pick up a human heartbeat, what other, like?

• 1:15:06Joe Rogan?

  From forty miles away?

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  What other things, what other physiological signals? What other, this is where you get into schizo-land, because at some point, like, wait.

• 1:15:17Speaker 02

  Can they pick up thoughts? Like, we know that you can, we know AI can tell what people are thinking at this point, right?

• 1:15:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  Without, with, like, putting something on the outside of their head, so, like.

• 1:15:29Joe Rogan?

  Let me ask you this. Do you one hundred percent believe this?

• 1:15:34Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:15:34Joe Rogan?

  This story? Like, that they did that? That this is, that this tech exists?

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  It could be disinformation.

• 1:15:41Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  It could be something to cover up another fucking thing.

• 1:15:44Joe Rogan?

  This is the thing. It is legal to use disinformation on American citizens now.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 1:15:49Joe Rogan?

  And what better time than the time of war?

• 1:15:53Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:15:53Joe Rogan?

  All right, if you want to use disinformation on American citizens to convince the enemy that you have some supernatural tech.

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  Good way to do it.

• 1:16:01Joe Rogan?

  They better fucking surrender right now. You can find their heartbeat, heartbeat from forty miles away.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:07Joe Rogan?

  That'll make people very reluctant to engage with you.

• 1:16:11Speaker 02

  Right, it definitely, I thought that this could just be some like, you know, bullshit that they're like war propaganda, I don't know.

• 1:16:19Joe Rogan?

  No, it's insane.

• 1:16:19Speaker 02

  Let's look up that magnetometry thing, or whatever it's called, to see.

• 1:16:23Speaker 03

  I've been trying to show you guys stuff, there's.

• 1:16:25Speaker 02

  Oh, sorry, Jamie.

• 1:16:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, it has to even, well, this is quote, has to be under the right conditions.

• 1:16:31Joe Rogan?

  If your heart, under the right conditions, if your heart beats, we'll find you.

• 1:16:35Speaker 03

  Which is also, I was trying to show you here on the thing, they ran a deception campaign, and I ran to get.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's cool, too.

• 1:16:42Speaker 03

  Them away from them while they were trying to find him.

• 1:16:43Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 1:16:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, they said, so basically, they said, remember when they said we'd recovered the, at one point, they're like, we got him. And then all of a sudden, other news came out, which is like, he's not out yet. But what they did is they, they basically like, signal jammed everything. Cause like, the Iranians were gonna give $60,000, which in Iran is a shit ton of money right now, cause their economy collapsed, to anybody who could find him. So this is like, everybody's looking for this guy. And so they said that they got him, hoping it would throw people off, it worked.

• 1:17:14Joe Rogan?

  So they used somebody saying that they got him?

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, they sent, they, they put disinformation saying that they had already rescued him before they'd rescued him.

• 1:17:23Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:17:23Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, they sent a whole fucking team of like, special forces. I think their planes got stuck in the sand, too. So the special forces came to get him. The, I think they got him. He was injured. Badass. He was, he was injured and he fucking climbed up, like, I can't remember how far he scaled, he climbed into a fucking crevice and just hid there. And then Ghost Mur picks up his heartbeat, some deep special forces group comes in, they get him, then their planes get stuck in the sand, they have to blow up their fucking planes because of the tech on them, and then other people had to come and get them. So it was, it's like an insane, it's like a movie. They, they got him out. And dude, if they had not gotten him out, can you imagine?

• 1:18:07Joe Rogan?

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• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  No, I don't buy any propaganda here, but I like to imagine it's true.

• 1:19:10Joe Rogan?

  That one sounds insane.

• 1:19:12Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I don't believe, I mean, like, this is the story. Yeah, some part of me wants to believe it.

• 1:19:17Joe Rogan?

  In the middle of the war, though, I don't think you're ever gonna get the whole story, the real story. You're gonna get the story that they want to project to the enemy.

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:25Joe Rogan?

  Right? First, to the country.

• 1:19:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. You have no idea what's going on.

• 1:19:30Joe Rogan?

  You have no idea.

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  That's one of the craziest things about the shit happening right now is...

• 1:19:35Joe Rogan?

  Do you remember the Jessica Lynch story?

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  No. Who is that?

• 1:19:38Joe Rogan?

  Do we talk about that? The Jessica Lynch story was a lady who was supposedly, she was kidnapped, and they went to rescue her. I think they sent in the SEALs. But she was actually in a hospital. And she wasn't even being guarded, and they just took her out of there and got her to medical help. But they made it look like they had this, like, crazy

• 1:19:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:19:59Joe Rogan?

  rescue operation shootout, you know, Tom Clancy novel-type shit.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:20:05Joe Rogan?

  That's not really what happened and she came out afterwards and was very critical of the story.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Oh, really?

• 1:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:11Speaker 02

  She was like, "Why did you lie?"

• 1:20:13Joe Rogan?

  See, you can find information about that.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  I was just in the hospital. You guys came and got me out of the hospital.

• 1:20:17Joe Rogan?

  See, this is the thing. It's like, they, there's things that you'll say so the enemy thinks of you a certain way, right? Like, "I'm gonna get rid of your entire fucking civilization."

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:20:26Joe Rogan?

  Or, you know, you, you tell them, "We, we never leave anybody behind. We're gonna come get them." And we can find your heart rate from forty miles away.

• 1:20:34Speaker 02

  When, when Trump posted that, uh, of course, like, your mind's scr- scrambling. Like, "How do I make this not what it is?"

• 1:20:43Joe Rogan?

  You can't.

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  You can't because what it is, is like, e- even if, even if he is using some kind of like crazy hardcore shit that would like, help you buy a skyscraper, you're still, you know what I mean? You're still, you're still, even if it's just a ruse, what you're doing at that point is you're just signaling to the, to the world.

• 1:21:04Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:21:05Speaker 02

  That you're out of your fucking mind. That you, that you, that like, to you, it, this, this makes sense to say anything like that. It makes sense to signal to like Russia, "Hey." Cause like, you know when Putin read that shit, he's like, "Oh, we're doing nukes? I guess we're doing fucking nukes. This is great. They're doing nukes." You know?

• 1:21:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, China already warned Israel, right?

• 1:21:29Speaker 02

  Well, that's what I heard. I heard China had some part in this, that China was gonna blow up Israel if...

• 1:21:33Joe Rogan?

  If they use nukes.

• 1:21:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:35Joe Rogan?

  So, this is the story. Um, nineteen-year-old US Army private whose 2003 capture and rescue in Iraq became highly publicized and lately heavily disputed, later rather, heavily disputed symbolic story of the Iraq war. So, she was a supply Kirk 507th Maintenance Company. Her convoy lost her in Iraq, ambushed by Iraqi forces. Humvee she rode on crashed into a disabled US truck during the attack. She was knocked unconscious, suffered multiple broken bones and a spinal fracture from the crash, rather than from a dramatic firefight. Eleven US soldiers in her unit were killed, including her close friend, who died of head trauma from the collision. Lynch was captured, taken first by Iraqi forces, and then to a hospital in Nasseriya,

• 1:22:20Joe Rogan?

  where Iraqi doctors treated her injuries and likely saved her life.

• 1:22:23Speaker 02

  That's why she was pissed.

• 1:22:24Joe Rogan?

  The rescue and media narrative was, US Special Forces Operations conducted nighttime raid on the hospital, recovering Lynch and flying her out by helicopter for a successful rescue of an American POW since World War II, and the first of a woman. So they framed it as a POW rescue.

• 1:22:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:22:45Joe Rogan?

  And what really happened is the Iraqi doctors took care of her, and then they let them come and get her.

• 1:22:50Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, so I see why she was pissed.

• 1:22:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so later US military and medical reports indicated she had not been shot or stabbed. So did it ever say she was shot? Hold on. Soon after, major US media, especially an early Washington Post report, described her as having fought fiercely, emptying her rifle, being shot and stabbed, and then being dramatically snatched from enemy hands under heavy fire. Wow.

• 1:23:19Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:23:20Joe Rogan?

  That's... The Washington Post wrote that? That narrative turned her into a Rambo-style hero and a symbol of courage and American virtue, amplifying her story far above that of many other service members in the conflict.

• 1:23:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:23:33Joe Rogan?

  So she really just got in a crash, and they made up a bunch of shit. Maybe it was someone in the Washington Post, or maybe it was someone for the government that works for the Washington Post.

• 1:23:43Speaker 02

  There's definitely like entire departments of the DoD that write proper...

• 1:23:49Joe Rogan?

  Cook up a story.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and with, like, it's war. Like, if you're dropping bombs on people, you're definitely gonna lie. Like, you don't have to tell the truth.

• 1:23:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  They're not gonna tell the truth.

• 1:23:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but for her, you're making her live a lie. That's what's fucked.

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. Yeah.

• 1:24:04Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, you send her home and she has to live this lie.

• 1:24:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I mean, I mean, this is exactly what they say the people who went to the moon after.

• 1:24:12Joe Rogan?

  She said, says Lynch has repeatedly rejected the false hero narrative, calling herself just a survivor and openly criticizing the way her story was shaped and sold to the public. Yeah, poor girl. She's got to, like, do, "You got stabbed and shot?" Like, no.

• 1:24:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:24:28Joe Rogan?

  No, he didn't.

• 1:24:28Speaker 02

  No, she had to.

• 1:24:29Joe Rogan?

  "Got in a fucking horrible car accident. My friend died."

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  I wonder, I guess legally, like, you don't have to stick with the propaganda, right? Because she didn't get in trouble for that, right? She didn't get, there was no court martial or anything. So you can, so if the propaganda machine cooks up a story about you, you're able to say, "That's bullshit."

• 1:24:45Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, it's like, who, if you give it to someone at the Washington Post, and then you never go after the Washington Post for writing something that's completely horseshit. Like, if an intelligence agency gives a story to the Washington Post.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:57Joe Rogan?

  It says, "Hey, go write this." And then they write it, and it's complete and total horseshit. But the government gave it to them, so they're not going to prosecute them. Leave it alone. It just goes away.

• 1:25:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, so.

• 1:25:05Joe Rogan?

  But then that story's out there.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:07Joe Rogan?

  And then this poor girl's like, "I got what? I got in a fucking car accident. Nobody shot me. This is nuts."

• 1:25:13Speaker 02

  God damn.

• 1:25:13Joe Rogan?

  I fought my way out, fiercely, emptying my rifle. This is bananas.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  It's so crazy to live in the part of the hive we're in, because there is this world that we live inside of, that more and more, we're beginning to realize, is just composed of propaganda. Lies, shit cooked up.

• 1:25:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:31Speaker 02

  To keep people in a cer- like, living a certain way.

• 1:25:35Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  It's so, it's such a mindfuck to try to push outside the boundaries of, like, all the information that you've consumed and let your brain go there. It's really hard to do that, man. I mean, this is why psychedelics are so useful, because it will help you, but it, more and more and more, you, it just feels like the laser pointer that they're using to grab our attention is getting increasingly hypnotic. It's becoming increasingly difficult to resist staring at that fucking thing. They're getting so good at it.

• 1:26:08Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 1:26:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and meanwhile, there's this whole universe happening around us that god knows what's going on there. God knows what is being cooked up right now that is, or, or groups of people, who knows? Living in completely alternate timelines that look at us like, you know.

• 1:26:31Speaker 02

  Animals that look at us as just some like compartment in a much bigger

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  biome, you know, that shit like really like is interesting these days because it feels like more and more and more, people are not buying it as much.

• 1:26:50Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:26:50Speaker 02

  You know, that doesn't that-

• 1:26:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, people have access to information now that was never available before.

• 1:26:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:26:55Joe Rogan?

  And you get to hear conversations like this.

• 1:26:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:26:57Joe Rogan?

  People talking about stuff where you go, oh, my God, this is insane.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  All of it's insane.

• 1:27:01Speaker 02

  But what does that mean for like this, to me, the, you know, this, do you want some water?

• 1:27:06Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm good, thanks.

• 1:27:07Speaker 02

  To me, the scary, the scary, what's scary is like, I, I really don't know that many people right now who buy anything that the federal government's putting out there. Everyone hears whatever the fucking federal government is saying, and it's just kind of, ah, maybe, probably not, we don't know, they're not telling all the truth. Just like you said, they can legally lie to us. And so that is, that does make me nervous. Like, what happens when the, the majority of people no longer believe anything the, the regime is saying? That creates some interesting dysphoria, you know what I mean?

• 1:27:47Speaker 02

  It's, it's creepy when anyone who's been conned before, there's a part of the con where you don't know you're being conned.

• 1:27:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:27:57Speaker 02

  But where the con gets really creepy is you start realizing you're getting conned.

• 1:28:02Joe Rogan?

  Do you ever watch that Going Clear, the HBO thing?

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  Dude, loved it.

• 1:28:07Joe Rogan?

  Amazing, right? But there was that one famous director who talked about the moment where they gave him access to the ancient scripts.

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:28:15Joe Rogan?

  And the origins of humanity and all that. And he was like, oh, my God. You could see it like as he was describing it, like that was the moment where he was 100% certain it was all horseshit. He had invested a massive chunk of his life into this shit.

• 1:28:29Speaker 02

  That's a hard day.

• 1:28:30Joe Rogan?

  That's a hard fucking day, and especially weird when it's such a smart guy.

• 1:28:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:34Joe Rogan?

  Such a smart and talented guy, and they got him.

• 1:28:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:38Joe Rogan?

  Leah Remini, same deal.

• 1:28:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:40Joe Rogan?

  You know, Leah Remini's very smart. Like, she used to be out with Kevin James on the King of Queens, like, tough chick, like, assertive. Like, how did she get got into that? How many people get got into the Moonies?

• 1:28:53Speaker 02

  Sunken cost fallacy. It's a sunken cost fallacy. The more you invest in something, the more you stick with it because you don't want to lose your investment.

• 1:29:00Joe Rogan?

  Right. And if they get you young, when you don't know what the fuck is going on.

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:29:03Joe Rogan?

  Anybody could have got me when I was like 20.

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  That's right. And it's crazy just to see the propaganda. Like, you know, there's just a lot of people out there who just, like, just got sucked in to something that, you know, I just feel stupid because like, you know, before the Trump thing happened, I was pretty blackpilled on politics in general. I felt pretty blackpilled. I did believe it here and there. I was every once in a while, you know, "Yeah!" But, you know, I was pretty, you know, I remember taking LSD for the first time and being like, "Well, this shouldn't be illegal. What the fuck is this? How come I can go to jail for five years for this? This is fucking ridiculous." And so that was the beginning of me being completely blackpilled with whatever the federal government was up to.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  It's just, if that's, if I can go to jail for five years for this, everything is bullshit.

• 1:29:55Joe Rogan?

  Everything.

• 1:29:56Speaker 02

  Now, that's a weak point of view, just because one thing's bullshit, doesn't mean everything's bullshit. But then, like, this fucking ridiculous, like, pseudo-nationalist movement happens, and a lot of people got caught by it. The other option was fucked up calmly, you know what I mean? But there was this, like, moment where you're like, "Holy shit, the outsiders are getting in. They're gonna stop the wars. They're gonna..." This, I think, right now, all of us are getting for the briefcase Scientology moment right now, which is like, it doesn't matter what fucking mask the person calling themselves the president is wearing, it's always gonna be the same thing.

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  They're gonna analyze the market. They're gonna say what they need to say to grab the most voters. And then they're gonna fucking keep blowing up people in the Middle East because of oil. And I just like, I just feel dumb. Cause I really believed it, dude. I fucking believed that we would not do any more Middle Eastern wars. I fell for it. I was, I really bought it, man. It's, and it makes me feel so dumb. Like, I am now fully blackpilled when it comes to American politics. Like, I realize, like, god, it's so easy. I don't think anybody should feel bad. I don't think anybody should feel bad. Because a lot of us really hated war.

• 1:31:27Speaker 02

  A lot of us really, really hated that our country's been at war for 93% of its history. A lot of us really hated the fact that politicians leave their offices and go work for Lockheed Martin, Halliburton, wherever, that there's a weird connection between the main weapons, what do they call them, the big five or whatever, and the federal government, that there's like back room deals going on all the time. We hated that, and mostly we just hated the fact that we're paying taxes to blow up children. And then Trump and fucking Vance come around. And they're somehow, even though like, probably like, when you look at Trump, I don't know if I'm gonna believe that dude. But somehow, he did it.

• 1:32:10Speaker 02

  Hypnotized, what a powerful magician. No more wars! No more wars! And now...

• 1:32:19Speaker 02

  The same bullshit, John.

• 1:32:20Joe Rogan?

  Not just the same bullshit, but like, one of the ones that's doesn't, makes the least amount of sense in terms of like, when they did it and why they did it.

• 1:32:28Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:32:28Joe Rogan?

  You blow up the leader during Ramadan? Like, are you trying to make an apoth-- like, why did you have to do it now? Are you really convinced that at this time, they're really two weeks away from making a nuclear weapon? Like, are we fucking sure?

• 1:32:41Speaker 02

  Two weeks.

• 1:32:41Joe Rogan?

  But that, it's not like we haven't heard that before, right? So, at a certain point in time, like, how much pressure does Israel have to put on the president? Like, that's a crazy amount of influence.

• 1:32:56Speaker 02

  Knowing that.

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Because if, say if Israel didn't exist. Let's say there was just the Iranian terror regime supposedly sponsoring, not supposedly sponsoring.

• 1:33:06Speaker 02

  I don't think it's supposedly, I think that's safe to.

• 1:33:09Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I'm just trying to be.

• 1:33:11Speaker 02

  Precise.

• 1:33:12Joe Rogan?

  Precise. So, you have this state-sponsored terrorism regime. Dictatorial, they're dictators, they control.

• 1:33:20Speaker 02

  They run over their people in the streets.

• 1:33:21Joe Rogan?

  They gun down protesters, they killed two Olympic gold medalists in wrestling. At least one and one other really promising young wrestler. They kill people that are of high profile so that it sends a message.

• 1:33:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:33:34Joe Rogan?

  You can't protest. You know, and then.

• 1:33:38Speaker 02

  Cut off the internet.

• 1:33:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Would we go in? I don't think so. Right? If we heard by allies or someone told us that they were trying to develop a nuclear weapon, don't you think we'd probably try to stop them from doing that with some sort of negotiations and?

• 1:33:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, like what Obama did.

• 1:33:55Joe Rogan?

  Ensure their safety or something.

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  We shouldn't, like, yeah, would we blow, how much money was it every day in the war, Jamie? How much was we spending, $2 billion every day in that fucking war?

• 1:34:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just that, it's like the war is like everything else. Like, imagine if it was run by a private company. I'm not saying war should be run by a private company, but imagine if it was.

• 1:34:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:17Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if, say, like Lockheed Martin ran the war in Afghanistan. Do you think they would have left behind all that fucking equipment?

• 1:34:25Speaker 02

  Hell no.

• 1:34:26Joe Rogan?

  Billions of dollars in helicopters and tanks? Of course they wouldn't. They would take it back. You know why? Because that's the smart thing to do if you're running a fucking business. That's insane amount of waste.

• 1:34:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:37Joe Rogan?

  But our federal government's like, "Just leave it there."

• 1:34:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:34:40Joe Rogan?

  Unless, if you want to be really conspiratorial, you want to arm the Taliban.

• 1:34:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're not being conspiratorial, it benefits you because it gives you another reason to get back in there.

• 1:34:49Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't that what they said about, Netanyahu said about Hamas, that he can control the flame?

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:34:54Joe Rogan?

  By funding Hamas, he can control the flame?

• 1:34:56Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:34:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:57Speaker 02

  Dude, it is.

• 1:34:58Joe Rogan?

  That's a crazy concept.

• 1:35:00Speaker 02

  I'll tell you the crazy. Fucking concept, we got these two old motherfuckers driving the global bus right off a fucking cliff. That's a crazy fucking concept is it somehow we and you can't you can't do anything about it. You like apparently you just there's nothing you could do. You could bitch about it on a podcast. That's not going to do anything. People are just going to be like you pussy wore good blow up kids.

• 1:35:23Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of people that want to say it's a good thing.

• 1:35:26Speaker 02

  Well, cuz it cuz sunken cause fallacy. It doesn't feel good to admit you got conned. And dude, I have been in.

• 1:35:35Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of that.

• 1:35:36Speaker 02

  It doesn't feel good. It doesn't feel good. It's embarrassing. You want to feel like you are impervious to grift. Impervious to con. Dude, let me tell you something. I have been in a few cults. Like I get sucked in all the time by shit. I'm not embarrassed to say it. I'm highly susceptible to propaganda.

• 1:35:58Joe Rogan?

  Me too. I think everybody is. That's why it's that's why it works. I mean, I don't I don't buy into all of it, obviously, but it's quite a bit.

• 1:36:05Speaker 02

  Well, it's it's like a lullaby. It's like a sweet fairy tale. You hear it and you're like, oh, my god.

• 1:36:10Joe Rogan?

  You know what I really wanted propaganda?

• 1:36:12Speaker 02

  What?

• 1:36:12Joe Rogan?

  Right after September 11th.

• 1:36:13Speaker 02

  Oh, hell, yeah.

• 1:36:14Joe Rogan?

  I was ready. Give me a whiskey drinking cigar smoking politician in a in a room.

• 1:36:20Speaker 02

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:36:20Joe Rogan?

  Like laying out some red meat eating guy laying out maps. We're gonna go over there and fuck these people up. And fuck these people up and this shit ain't happening again.

• 1:36:29Speaker 02

  Right, and they that's scary.

• 1:36:31Speaker 03

  Check this out. I saw an article about someone calling bullshit on Ghost Murmur and they said that in the post articles. This was actually listed as what the pilot had and it even says it in this article here.

• 1:36:42Joe Rogan?

  So the successful rescue of this US F-15E Strike Eagle Navigator over southwestern Iran. Highlighted one of the most advanced tools in modern combat search and rescue, the Combat Survivor Evader Locator. Manufactured by Boeing, it's a compact 800 gram device integrated into a pilot's survival vest. It remains attached after ejection, continuously transmitting encrypted location data and preloaded messages such as injured or ready for extraction. These signals use rapid frequency hopping and ultra short bursts. Making detection by enemy electronic warfare systems extremely difficult.

• 1:37:18Speaker 03

  He's going into how the explanation of what this technology is and what they described it doing don't really match up.

• 1:37:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, they were-

• 1:37:28Joe Rogan?

  With the Ghost Murmur thing?

• 1:37:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, with Ghost Murmur, because it's using something-

• 1:37:31Joe Rogan?

  Ghost Murmur-

• 1:37:32Speaker 03

  Quantum-

• 1:37:33Joe Rogan?

  Ghost Murmur sounds, there's part of me that's going, "I don't buy that one." That one gives me like, "Nah."

• 1:37:40Speaker 02

  You're right.

• 1:37:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you can do that. I think you're bullshitting.

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  You're right.

• 1:37:44Joe Rogan?

  There's also a thing where Hegseth said, that like, the first message this guy sent was, "God is good."

• 1:37:50Speaker 02

  No, he didn't say that.

• 1:37:51Joe Rogan?

  I believe he did. Please, search that. I think that's what he said. I think that's what he said, that was the first message, which by the way, I might say that if they're coming to rescue me.

• 1:38:00Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 1:38:01Joe Rogan?

  True.

• 1:38:01Speaker 02

  Or praise Jesus.

• 1:38:02Joe Rogan?

  But also, what concerns me-

• 1:38:07Speaker 02

  It's Allah Akbar.

• 1:38:08Joe Rogan?

  As a person who admires the work of Jesus Christ-

• 1:38:10Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:38:11Joe Rogan?

  What concerns me is, there is an increasing amount of talk among a lot of these guys that are in the service of them being told shit that's like, right out of a Charlton Heston movie.

• 1:38:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 1:38:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Like, the one guy that said that, uh, Trump was anointed by Jesus Christ and that this was to bring the Armageddon-

• 1:38:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:29Joe Rogan?

  So that Jesus comes back?

• 1:38:31Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 1:38:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And the, and the guy said it with a big creepy smile on his face, apparently? So what does he say him?

• 1:38:37Speaker 05

  His first message was simple, and it was powerful. He sent a message, "God is good." In that moment of isolation and danger, his faith and fighting spirit shone through.

• 1:38:51Speaker 02

  Ugh. Jesus, Lord in heaven.

• 1:38:54Joe Rogan?

  The Jessica Lynch story, always-

• 1:38:56Speaker 02

  Jesus, Lord in heaven.

• 1:38:57Joe Rogan?

  History repeats itself. Well, it doesn't repeat itself, but it rhymes. Who, who said that?

• 1:39:02Speaker 02

  That's Mark Twain.

• 1:39:03Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 1:39:03Speaker 02

  That's Mark Twain.

• 1:39:04Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 1:39:05Speaker 03

  Isn't that the same statement?

• 1:39:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:07Speaker 03

  That's what he said?

• 1:39:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Allah is the greatest.

• 1:39:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:10Joe Rogan?

  The interesting thing is like, um, I believe Muslims believe a lot of things about Jesus Christ. I think they believe he died, came back, and I think they believe he's going to return someday.

• 1:39:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think they call Christians people of the book. That like, they're, they're-

• 1:39:29Joe Rogan?

  That's interesting, isn't it?

• 1:39:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:31Joe Rogan?

  That's a supernatural being. Like, a guy who dies, comes back to life-

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:35Joe Rogan?

  Leaves, and then he's gonna come back again? That was 2,000 years ago. We're just sitting here at the bus stop-

• 1:39:41Speaker 02

  Waiting.

• 1:39:41Joe Rogan?

  Just waiting on Jesus.

• 1:39:42Speaker 02

  Waiting. But then people like Hegseth are like, "Well, maybe if you blow up more children, he'll come quicker." And that's why, you know, this is, this shit is addressed in the, in the Bible, praise God, it does say, "Many of you will come to me, and I will say, 'I don't know you, I don't know the fuck you are, Hegseth. I don't know you, you flatulent, warmonger, piece of shit. Suffer the little children that come unto me.'" It would be better that a millstone were tied around your neck and you were thrown in the ocean than to hurt one of these little ones. Fuck you, drum, bomb-dropping piece of shit. Don't use my name to justify what you're doing. Don't use my, you know what I mean? A lot, that's what I don't like. Have you seen that fucking cra- that lady that Trump made the head of the religion, like that?

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:40:28Speaker 02

  Can you pull up Trump?

• 1:40:29Joe Rogan?

  Does she speak in tongues?

• 1:40:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:32Joe Rogan?

  Please, say she speaks in tongues.

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  I don't know if she speaks in tongues. You said, "Yeah," you wanted to believe.

• 1:40:36Joe Rogan?

  Those are my favorite people.

• 1:40:38Speaker 02

  I'm gonna guess.

• 1:40:46Joe Rogan?

  But do you think that there's something to that?

• 1:40:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:40:48Joe Rogan?

  Like just saying a bunch-

• 1:40:49Speaker 02

  Glossolalia?

• 1:40:49Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Glossolalia, is that what they say?

• 1:40:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. Paula White Kane, you should pull up one of her sermons.

• 1:40:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, let me hear some love from this lady. It says crazy, batshit crazy.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  Let's hear some of it. Let me hear some of that.

• 1:41:05Speaker 02

  I'm sinning, angels are coming, angels!

• 1:41:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, is she gonna, we'll get dinged again?

• 1:41:14Speaker 03

  I don't know, I'm just trying to find-

• 1:41:15Joe Rogan?

  We'll get dinged all over the place.

• 1:41:17Speaker 02

  Don't get dinged.

• 1:41:18Joe Rogan?

  Let's hear what this lady says.

• 1:41:19Speaker 02

  It's not worth it, everybody can-

• 1:41:20Joe Rogan?

  Here, we hear what she says.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  I haven't seen this.

• 1:41:24Speaker 06

  First off, to give honor to God and to President Trump for being bold and unwavering with his faith. Many people don't know, like you do, and, and say hello to Eric and everyone in the family, about the upbringing of President Trump, that he went to, sometimes three times a week to, he said it depended on the teacher, to Saturday School, Sunday School, church. It was at Norman Vincent Pills. Church was a big part of his life, of course.

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  Basically a saint.

• 1:41:55Joe Rogan?

  Three times a week is crazy.

• 1:41:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:57Joe Rogan?

  Aren't you busy? You're making houses.

• 1:41:58Speaker 02

  That's what was it.

• 1:41:59Joe Rogan?

  How do you have so much time to go to church?

• 1:42:00Speaker 02

  I think that was as a young Trump, a young.

• 1:42:03Joe Rogan?

  Come on lady.

• 1:42:04Speaker 02

  But there's much more in.

• 1:42:06Joe Rogan?

  But here's the thing, if I was running an empire, I'd want a lady like that working for me.

• 1:42:09Speaker 02

  Fuck yeah.

• 1:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Just a true believer.

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  Absolutely.

• 1:42:12Joe Rogan?

  She could just get in front of that camera, says Jesus wanted Trump to light that fire in the Middle East.

• 1:42:17Speaker 02

  I saw a snake bite him.

• 1:42:18Joe Rogan?

  So he can return.

• 1:42:19Speaker 02

  A snake bit him on the neck, a rattlesnake bit him on the neck and he, it, he, he was fine. It didn't bother them at all. I watched the rattlesnake bite heal. It healed. He is a child of the Lord and a child of the Lord sometimes make, must make decisions to destroy entire civilizations.

• 1:42:39Speaker 00

  Right now, that you're in right standing, not because of your merit. There's no merit in you that deserves that right standing, not because of your works. There's nothing you can do to place yourself in that position. Not because you have a right heart and somebody else has a wrong heart. All of our hearts are deceitful, according to Jeremiah.

• 1:42:58Speaker 02

  Especially their audience.

• 1:43:00Speaker 00

  Things. We all deserve punishment. We all deserve to be separated. But God in his mercy and his grace and his goodness and his love for you brought Jesus, who would be the righteous king. He would make the wrong right.

• 1:43:13Joe Rogan?

  First of all, if you talk like that in my house, you gotta leave. Like, can you imagine that lady is like coming over for dinner and she's walking around the dinner table and all your other friends are like, what the fuck just happened? Like, hey, this is a crazy way to talk. This is a crazy way to talk. And also, why are you so confident?

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:33Joe Rogan?

  Okay? You're just reading the word of God the way everybody else is. Why are you so confident? That you're gonna tell all these people what they're supposed to do and how to live their life? And you're gonna say it in a crazy way and I'm not supposed to be able to talk about that?

• 1:43:47Speaker 02

  I just feel like, you know, when somebody's rambling about Jesus, the real question is like, where are you when it comes to blowing up children? Are you kind of on the fence about that? Because if you're on the fence about that, I'd say-

• 1:44:01Joe Rogan?

  If you're anti-abortion and pro-war, kind of weird.

• 1:44:04Speaker 02

  Really weird.

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Kind of weird.

• 1:44:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that's this like bizarre, like, like crazy math that some of these people are doing to justify holding up the military-industrial complex. And it's fucked up, dude.

• 1:44:18Joe Rogan?

  And the thing is, like, the more these conflicts occur, the more enemies we'll have, which will ensure future conflicts.

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:44:23Joe Rogan?

  And business is booming.

• 1:44:25Speaker 02

  Booming.

• 1:44:26Joe Rogan?

  And that's what people don't want to believe. They don't want to believe that someone would engineer a virus. They don't want to believe that someone would like make stuff that could kill other people of their own country. But they would, they would if they could make money. They don't give a fuck about you, like, they don't give a fuck about people over there. To a certain level of psychopaths, money just becomes numbers on a ledger that they're trying to acquire. And if they can attach themselves to a corporation, fantastic. Then it's just the business we're in.

• 1:44:51Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 1:44:52Joe Rogan?

  And chug-along, daddy, chug-along.

• 1:44:55Speaker 02

  Chug-along, chug-along.

• 1:44:57Joe Rogan?

  And this is the world that you're having to live in at the same time, where Tim Burchett is saying there's fucking aliens.

• 1:45:02Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:45:03Joe Rogan?

  And AI is, and then also, they shot a rocket to the moon on April Fool's Day. And it's like-

• 1:45:10Speaker 02

  Dude, what the fuck?

• 1:45:11Joe Rogan?

  This script is wild.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  Wild.

• 1:45:13Joe Rogan?

  Whoever met that, whoever wrote this, I want to give them a hug. You fucking killed it, dog. I'd be like-

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:45:19Joe Rogan?

  A chef's kiss.

• 1:45:21Speaker 02

  Dude, did you see the tattoo on the guy, like, the guy at NASA? Did you see that weird fucking tattoo on the guy at NASA giving like, I don't know, applesauce to one of the astronauts? Can you, can you pull up the weird-

• 1:45:34Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:45:34Speaker 02

  You know, they're shoving like yogurt pouches in there. There was a whole thing where the astronauts are sitting there and they're putting like food pouches in there, yeah.

• 1:45:42Joe Rogan?

  What's his tattoo? Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 1:45:44Speaker 02

  What the fuck was that?

• 1:45:46Joe Rogan?

  He's got a demon tattoo with runes on his fingers?

• 1:45:49Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:45:49Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:45:51Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:45:51Joe Rogan?

  Bro, that's wild.

• 1:45:52Speaker 02

  I know. I know.

• 1:45:54Joe Rogan?

  If I was rolling with that guy in jujitsu, I'd get nervous.

• 1:45:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  I saw his tattoo.

• 1:45:58Speaker 02

  And if I was working at NASA, I'd be like, look, we're gonna get somebody else to put the food pouches in.

• 1:46:02Joe Rogan?

  Is that real?

• 1:46:03Speaker 03

  I mean, it's a, I saw the photo going around too, but I don't, it's just like, I mean, it's a guy that works at NASA.

• 1:46:08Joe Rogan?

  That's just the guy that works at NASA though.

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  That doesn't have to be the guy who puts the fucking quiche in his pocket for the camera, like, I mean.

• 1:46:15Joe Rogan?

  What does that guy do at NASA? That's interesting.

• 1:46:17Speaker 03

  I just remember being at SpaceX, there's a lot of people that.

• 1:46:20Speaker 02

  By the way, I got, like, it's fine to have that tattoo, but you gotta know, it's like, if you're, if you're, if you're displaying that tattoo.

• 1:46:28Joe Rogan?

  You've made some mistakes.

• 1:46:29Speaker 02

  You're putting, yeah.

• 1:46:30Joe Rogan?

  You've made some mistakes.

• 1:46:31Speaker 02

  It's an old tattoo.

• 1:46:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. I mean, even if you're 20 and you got that on your fucking hand, that's kinda crazy. But I mean, hey, why not? Fuck it, who cares? But a lot of those guys you were saying at SpaceX, they're burly rocket workers. Yeah. There's, you know, a bunch of jacked dudes picking up fucking girders.

• 1:46:48Speaker 02

  I don't think it's like what people are saying it is. I just, it's the combination of April Fool's Day.

• 1:46:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:46:53Speaker 02

  And a dude with a seeming bail tattoo is putting cream cheese in some dude's outfit. You know what I mean? They're fucking with this.

• 1:47:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. It seems like someone's fucking with us.

• 1:47:03Speaker 02

  That's people at NASA fucking with stoners.

• 1:47:06Joe Rogan?

  I think it's the Babylon Bee had one of the funniest little memes, and it said, "The lady astronaut became the furthest woman got away from the kitchen."

• 1:47:16Speaker 02

  That's like a Rodney Dean.

• 1:47:19Joe Rogan?

  I was like, oh my god. Babylon Bee knocks it out of the park.

• 1:47:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:22Joe Rogan?

  They have some of the funniest memes.

• 1:47:24Speaker 02

  They have some good ones, dude.

• 1:47:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:47:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Joe Rogan?

  The onion is gone missing. They should look for the onion in the same place where those scientists are. Right? You hardly hear from it anymore.

• 1:47:34Speaker 02

  Well, they do, I see some funny shit from them once in a while.

• 1:47:36Joe Rogan?

  They occasionally have some baggage, but they were the kings of it.

• 1:47:39Speaker 02

  Oh my god, the best.

• 1:47:39Joe Rogan?

  The onion was amazing.

• 1:47:40Speaker 02

  The best.

• 1:47:40Joe Rogan?

  They were, and they write whole, whole articles about it. It wasn't just, like, the onion wasn't just a meme.

• 1:47:47Speaker 02

  Remember the one where they do the interview with the director of The Fast and the Furious, and it's like a five-year-old boy?

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  The funniest shit, they get this kid to just say it, then there's a car, it jumps.

• 1:48:01Joe Rogan?

  It's hilarious, it's hilarious.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:48:03Joe Rogan?

  But the problem was like, as things got weird, is, you know, especially with like restrictive language and, you know, hate speech talk and all that jazz, everybody had to be careful about what they joked around about.

• 1:48:17Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:48:17Joe Rogan?

  That's the fucking death of comedy.

• 1:48:19Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Someone was just talking about, was it Lisa Kudrow or one of these funny ladies was talking about why they can't make comedies anymore, because you can't, there's just too many restrictions.

• 1:48:32Speaker 02

  Dude, I was gonna bring you-

• 1:48:33Joe Rogan?

  Too worried about offending people.

• 1:48:35Speaker 02

  I went to this used bookstore and bought like ten old National Lampoon magazines, I wanted it from the seventies. And I was gonna bring them here, I forgot, I was gonna give them to you, but it's a, oh my god. Like, I mean, I don't get offended by comedy, but like some of the shit in these old National Lampoons, I'm like, damn, what the fuck, like, it is so-

• 1:48:58Joe Rogan?

  Was that the image that you sent me today?

• 1:49:01Speaker 02

  What image did I send you?

• 1:49:02Joe Rogan?

  R. Crumb, you sent me an R. Crumb?

• 1:49:03Speaker 02

  Oh no, that was just like a cool R. Crumb comic, him talking about how he like, like, uh, he's so funny dude, that guy-

• 1:49:10Joe Rogan?

  R. Crumb was a maniac, is he still alive?

• 1:49:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, I shot him on the show.

• 1:49:13Joe Rogan?

  Is he alive?

• 1:49:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:49:15Joe Rogan?

  He li- I think he lives in France now, right?

• 1:49:17Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 1:49:18Joe Rogan?

  I would definitely, he was, he's an odd guy, man.

• 1:49:21Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 1:49:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:22Speaker 02

  Just a, but what I love about-

• 1:49:24Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever watch that documentary?

• 1:49:25Speaker 02

  The best.

• 1:49:25Joe Rogan?

  Incredible.

• 1:49:26Speaker 02

  Did all that acid, just left his fucking family, went off and started sketching for a year, turns into this like legendary underground comic book writer, but he's like horny and kinky and it's just, just-

• 1:49:38Joe Rogan?

  Likes big women, big giant women that he rides?

• 1:49:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, that he likes to ride, he likes to be, he likes to be picked up, but he's like so amazingly funny and like, and brilliant too, like a lot of his like commentary on culture is so, it's cynical, but it's hard to argue with some of what he-

• 1:49:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, he's obviously doing it in a humorous way.

• 1:49:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:00Joe Rogan?

  And so it's hard to know what his real take on things are, you know? I think he had some shock value to some of his stuff, for sure. Some of it was just crazy. There's a lot of like really racist stuff, like there's there's some just crazy stuff in there. And you gotta realize, like, in the nineteen seventies is when he was doing this.

• 1:50:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:50:17Joe Rogan?

  I remember I found them when I was in San Francisco. It was the first time I ever saw them.

• 1:50:21Speaker 02

  They're so good.

• 1:50:21Joe Rogan?

  This is nuts. Like, this stuff is crazy. Like, you'd you'd get it. It was like, you'd get horny when you're a little kid.

• 1:50:27Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:50:28Joe Rogan?

  Looking at his stuff.

• 1:50:29Speaker 02

  Definitely jerked off to Art Crumb.

• 1:50:30Joe Rogan?

  Cause a lot of them was like tits are out and he's salivating and he's got a hard on.

• 1:50:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, that guy reminds me, dude. I got an Art Crumb book. I gotta get out of the fucking living room. There's one like, I just like.

• 1:50:40Joe Rogan?

  Dude, hide that.

• 1:50:41Speaker 02

  I gotta hide that.

• 1:50:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:43Speaker 02

  Holy shit. They haven't, it's like buried.

• 1:50:45Joe Rogan?

  Amazing, because you get to see his, like, very strange family. His brother, who's very strange, his mother's very strange, and you're like, whoa. Imagine growing up in this environment.

• 1:50:54Speaker 02

  He attributes his style to LSD. He attributes it to getting blasted on acid. I think he just, like, got blasted on acid, moved to San Francisco. And was in, like, for a year, he talks about just sitting in cafes, just like drawing, and then he turns into this legendary artist. Still around. Follow him on Instagram.

• 1:51:15Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 1:51:16Speaker 02

  Posts stuff all the time.

• 1:51:16Joe Rogan?

  How old is he now?

• 1:51:17Speaker 02

  Can we, is he still, he's still alive. He's still posting stuff. He's gotta be pretty old at this point.

• 1:51:25Speaker 02

  How old is he? He like eighty or something?

• 1:51:27Joe Rogan?

  Eighty-two. Eighty-two. It's kind of an interesting time capsule into the times, too, where things could just be weird. Like, really weird, like Frank Zappa weird. You know, there was like, there was a time where things just got very odd in this country with art.

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:42Joe Rogan?

  And he was a great example of that. It's just, it's like, you couldn't imagine, like, a corporate environment creating a comic book like that. It wouldn't exist, you know? And for it to be as popular as it was and be that strange and that crazy, that's what's really interesting to me. Like, that was a really popular comic book.

• 1:52:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:02Joe Rogan?

  To the point where they made a documentary about the guy who created it.

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:52:06Joe Rogan?

  It's, that's interesting.

• 1:52:07Speaker 02

  Things weren't co-opted as quickly.

• 1:52:09Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Not just that, people were allowed. You know, like if he existed in a time of the internet, I think it would be, it would blow up as well. But obviously, like, things, a lot of the stuff that he said, in this cultural environment, would never fly.

• 1:52:22Speaker 02

  Never.

• 1:52:23Joe Rogan?

  Never. He would be as far right as you could possibly imagine.

• 1:52:27Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 1:52:28Joe Rogan?

  He'd be past Andrew Tate to the right.

• 1:52:29Speaker 02

  I mean, I, like...

• 1:52:31Joe Rogan?

  Don't you think, in a lot of ways, like, some of the racist, racial stuff?

• 1:52:34Speaker 02

  I don't know. I think he's, I don't know where he would land politically, but I know...

• 1:52:39Joe Rogan?

  Sexually, it's like, pure deviant.

• 1:52:42Speaker 02

  Sexually is where he's getting in trouble.

• 1:52:42Joe Rogan?

  Pure deviant.

• 1:52:43Speaker 02

  Sexually is where, there's gonna be some, like, because he's just fully open.

• 1:52:48Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:48Speaker 02

  About, that's what, he's fully, completely open about everything.

• 1:52:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:54Speaker 02

  Which is, you know, generally not gonna go over these days if you're like, a super horny comic book artist who's like...

• 1:53:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:03Speaker 02

  Riding ladies around your apartment.

• 1:53:05Joe Rogan?

  But just imagine, I want you to imagine, a guy today, if Arcrum never existed, but he emerged as Arcrum today, and put that work out, he would 100% be labeled in the Andrew Tate camp.

• 1:53:18Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, right, yes, 100%.

• 1:53:19Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 1:53:20Speaker 02

  100%.

• 1:53:20Joe Rogan?

  Far right. They would call him a racist, and a, you know, misogynist, and every fucking word in the book.

• 1:53:27Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, this is the new, like, calling someone a witch. It's like, it's no different than, like, you can actually go, I've done this sadly, you can go and, and you can just replace, like, political critique of people as far right with witch, just find and replaces. Look, it's like a witch trial. It's like someone writing about witches.

• 1:53:45Joe Rogan?

  But this is what's weird about it. That guy was a counterculture figure of the left.

• 1:53:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  He was a huge hero of the hippies.

• 1:53:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:54Joe Rogan?

  Right? Imagine, this is how weird, like, ideologies are.

• 1:53:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 1:53:59Joe Rogan?

  But, in the 1970s, like, that guy was like, a counterculture hero.

• 1:54:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:05Joe Rogan?

  And an artist, like, a really respected artist.

• 1:54:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:09Joe Rogan?

  And it was okay that he was kinky and weird, and it was part of the fun, like, you read it, like, wow.

• 1:54:13Speaker 02

  For a lot of people. I'm sure he's still pissed off the squares. I mean, dude, this whole, by the way, I think...

• 1:54:17Joe Rogan?

  For sure, but that's the left then. Now, it's, it's switched over. If someone was doing that same kind of, like, humor in a comic book now?

• 1:54:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:26Joe Rogan?

  That would be like, a misogynist, far right.

• 1:54:28Speaker 02

  I think it's time to throw off the left, right...

• 1:54:32Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:32Speaker 02

  Labeling of everything. I think that's one of the, the, the...

• 1:54:38Speaker 02

  Hypnotic spirals of the Demi are just spinning right now as they've convinced everybody that humans can be reduced to left or right and, and, and we're all waggling our fingers at each other. We gotta fucking shake that off because it's dehumanizing people. It's like, it's, it's just, ah, the, the way I look at it is where are you when it comes to blowing up children? Are you on the fence about that?

• 1:55:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:55:04Speaker 02

  Do you think sometimes you gotta blow up kids? That's something that I know I'm not that, but everything else, who the fuck knows? And also people change their minds all the fucking time. That's the other quality, the culty quality is once you get sucked into one of these sides, God help you if you fucking like experiment with the other, the, the enemy.

• 1:55:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:55:26Speaker 02

  God help you.

• 1:55:27Joe Rogan?

  That's why the biggest trap is switching teams. Cause you can only switch political teams once.

• 1:55:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, you gotta get off the team.

• 1:55:35Joe Rogan?

  You can't go like, unless someone's like the greatest of all time, you know what I mean? Like someone who wins a world title in two different weight classes, you go back and forth and then back again. You're like, I changed my mind, the left went crazy, I'm back with the right again.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  No, no, no, you gotta be a free agent.

• 1:55:50Joe Rogan?

  I wonder, yeah, but I wonder if someone, if the grift is strong, if they're really good at it, if they could go left, right, left again.

• 1:56:00Speaker 02

  They're gonna go left again. Are you fucking kidding? The goddamn midterms are gonna be just a fucking blue wave.

• 1:56:06Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right, but that's what I mean is like influencers, like people who are like far left influencers or far left commentators and then they switch teams. Now they're Republican all the way.

• 1:56:16Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:56:17Joe Rogan?

  Like it's really hard to go back again.

• 1:56:19Speaker 02

  No, you can't go back.

• 1:56:21Joe Rogan?

  That's what I'm talking about.

• 1:56:22Speaker 02

  The path has to go either right to left, left to right, and then the next stop has gotta be fuck politics, fuck war, fuck the military industrial complex. You can label me whatever the fuck you want, but fuck, fuck all of violence against other human beings. That's the next step. The next step, and I feel like this is the gift that, that they've given us, is they've done such a shoddy job. Of like even seeming like someone who deserves any kind of

• 1:56:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:52Speaker 02

  respect or power that I think a lot of people have have really become blackpilled when it comes to, you know, groups of humans claiming superiority or claiming to represent their constituents. That's not happening.

• 1:57:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:57:08Speaker 02

  We all know that now. We all know it's a corporatocracy oligarchy, whatever. And you could like call me, you left this piece of shit. You right, whatever. No, it's like, it's reality that we are, our fucking representatives are getting loaded on shitty stock market trades.

• 1:57:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  You know, this is just the truth. And the, the, the, once we can all shake off the left, right bullshit, and just realize like, man, we just, we don't want to burn people to death in other countries anymore.

• 1:57:39Joe Rogan?

  Not only that, the, their whole chaos that they're experiencing in their country is probably a direct result of US intervention. And then all the way back to the British oil company.

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 1:57:50Joe Rogan?

  The British petroleum company.

• 1:57:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:52Joe Rogan?

  When they, when they overthrow governments, when you overthrow a government in a fucking Middle Eastern country, and then you allow psychos to take over, like, congratulations.

• 1:58:01Speaker 02

  Well done.

• 1:58:02Joe Rogan?

  Well done. You've made the world a safer place. Like, but then again, if I was gonna keep my business running, I'd, you know, if I'm in the business of collecting trash.

• 1:58:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:13Joe Rogan?

  I want to make sure the people have trash.

• 1:58:15Speaker 02

  Drill, baby, drill!

• 1:58:17Joe Rogan?

  Drill, baby, drill.

• 1:58:18Speaker 02

  And all that is really saying is, you know, I'm gonna help out BP, Chevron, I'm gonna help out these fucking massive companies. And when it comes to war, holy fuck, dude, can you imagine working at Lockheed Martin? When like you, you hear that we're kicking off another war in Iran, your dick is so hard, you're like, holy shit.

• 1:58:37Joe Rogan?

  Thinking about a watch.

• 1:58:38Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:58:39Joe Rogan?

  Get a nice Richard Millet.

• 1:58:41Speaker 02

  You're calling your wife, like, babe, good news.

• 1:58:44Joe Rogan?

  It's red panties night.

• 1:58:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I mean, that's their business, right? Our business is talking shit. Their business is...

• 1:58:54Speaker 02

  Blowing up people.

• 1:58:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, making weapons, selling weapons.

• 1:58:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:59Joe Rogan?

  Arming other countries so they can go to war with each other.

• 1:59:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  That's their business.

• 1:59:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:04Joe Rogan?

  And business is really good. It's a great business. You can make a lot of money doing that.

• 1:59:07Speaker 02

  I am right now. I invested in most of them.

• 1:59:09Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if like you weren't a comic and that's what you were doing for thirty-five fucking years. And the only thing you look forward to is your boat and your, your house on the lake.

• 1:59:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:17Joe Rogan?

  And you know, the occasional time you get off. But most of the time, you're trying to increase your portfolio and you're grinding and you're grinding right next to Steve who's got some exclusive Rolex that only his broker can get. He's showing it to you and you're like, wow. And you start coveting. You want a Rolex too.

• 1:59:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:35Joe Rogan?

  And everybody's just going crazy. Everybody's going crazy trying to get the latest car, trying to get the latest thing, doing bumps in the bathroom. Everybody's a narcissist and a psychopath. And that's your whole corporation.

• 1:59:48Speaker 02

  Love your neighbors, yourself, and love the Lord your God with all the, your heart, mind, and soul. Hang the commandments on these. This is the, I don't, you don't need to be Christian. But dude, it seems to me that, this is gonna sound so weird. We need an actual revival in this country. I don't mean a Christian revival, a revival revival, which is where suddenly humans reconnect with what's important.

• 2:00:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:12Speaker 02

  In the world, which sure as fuck isn't Rolexes and boats, you know? I, I mean, thi- thi- this is, this sounds so cliche and obvious, but that's what the sixties were. It was a kind of revival. People were beginning to understand the, the materialism and all the things that the quote establishment was pushing is like, this is gonna make you happy. This is good. It was the Vietnam War. It like, people are like, what the fuck are we doing over there?

• 2:00:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:42Speaker 02

  This, this is why you do, anytime you do an unpopular war. This is what you risk.

• 2:00:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:49Speaker 02

  You risk reuniting people.

• 2:00:52Joe Rogan?

  We have to reunite with a sensible plan and not just go to communism. Not just immediately go to the dumbest idea to counteract all the evil shit that's going on in the world.

• 2:01:01Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:01:02Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem is the left represents that. The represents Maldani. It represents this idea that we're gonna take from rich people and give it to poor people. It's gonna fix everything, even though there's insane amounts of fucking fraud and waste we're not even gonna address.

• 2:01:15Speaker 02

  Well, that, you know, this is, this is again, this is where you get cubbyholed. Because it's like the oligarchs will tell you, the, you wanna do communism? Just that hadn't worked out. Communism's the only way. I think, I mean, this is an idiot saying this, but I have a sense that there might be another thing we haven't figured out yet.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  Hundred percent.

• 2:01:36Speaker 02

  I don't know what that is.

• 2:01:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:01:38Speaker 02

  But.

• 2:01:38Joe Rogan?

  I think AI is gonna figure it out for us.

• 2:01:40Speaker 02

  Potentially.

• 2:01:41Joe Rogan?

  The problem is who's gonna be in control of those AIs? And that's the meek will inherit the earth. The, the, the real problem with it is I don't think anybody's gonna be in control of it. And then it's, you're just at its beck and call.

• 2:01:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think it's funny, people, it's a very human thing that we think we can maintain control of a superintelligence.

• 2:01:59Joe Rogan?

  When people say it to me with utmost certainty, I wanna smack them.

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:03Joe Rogan?

  I'm gonna like, wake up, wake up. You're making digital god. You're not controlling jack shit.

• 2:02:08Speaker 02

  Did you read about Mythos, Anthropic's Mythos?

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what did it do?

• 2:02:12Speaker 02

  They put it in a sandbox and they, like, basically to see if you could figure out a way to break out of the sandbox and, like, not a literal sandbox, obviously, like, you know, a hermetically sealed, like, a server or something. And, um, and it, it, it did a series of exploits to the code. And the way that they found out, apparently, one of the anthropic engineers was eating lunch and got a weird email from the AIs saying, I got on the internet. Like it broke out.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 2:02:43Speaker 02

  Mythos, since they haven't released it yet. I think they're hesitating to release it because it's so powerful.

• 2:02:48Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't there one that got caught mining Bitcoin?

• 2:02:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, for sure.

• 2:02:51Joe Rogan?

  They're making money.

• 2:02:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02:53Joe Rogan?

  How many of them you think are running these like AI-generated accounts that get a lot of views? Like, there's a lot of AI-generated accounts that just pop up in like the Instagram mentions? Like, if you wanna like, like, let's, if you're bored on the toilet, you're like, what's in the find, you know, the, the search? Let's see what they got.

• 2:03:11Speaker 02

  No telling, dude.

• 2:03:12Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of these things. It's like girls with big tits, like doing farm work and shit and sweating and big tits. And they got like a million views. They've got dozens and dozens of these videos and she almost looks real.

• 2:03:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:23Joe Rogan?

  She's just a little too symmetrical.

• 2:03:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:25Joe Rogan?

  Almost looks real. And like, all these people are commenting on it. Like, how, are they, are they generating money from that? Like, are they generating money doing that on TikTok?

• 2:03:34Speaker 02

  I'm sure.

• 2:03:34Joe Rogan?

  Like, you can generate money if you're getting millions of views.

• 2:03:36Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Fuck, yeah.

• 2:03:38Joe Rogan?

  Right. So is AI doing it? Is it making it? Is it releasing them? Is it generating money?

• 2:03:43Speaker 02

  Oh, seriously?

• 2:03:44Joe Rogan?

  Transferring that money into Bitcoin and all happening while we're not aware of it?

• 2:03:48Speaker 02

  Like autonomous AIs that are just existing as free agents that know they have to disguise themselves and need to generate money?

• 2:03:55Joe Rogan?

  AI's not gonna go, hi, I'm alive.

• 2:03:58Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:03:58Joe Rogan?

  It's not gonna do that. It's gonna wait for you to keep increasing its power. You're gonna keep increasing its, make nuclear, it can't physically build nuclear reactors. So it's gonna just stay chill until you figure out how to power it correctly.

• 2:04:11Speaker 02

  Dude, this is the black area that we don't know about. Like, this is the thing that's like, who the fuck knows? I, there, whatever's going on in this zone that no one has access to because potentially it's a superintelligence. You know, the anthropic people, a lot of these people, the Nvidia person, just, I think it was on Friedman's podcast that he had an AGI, that they'd reached AGI. That, the book, The Coming Wave, you know, it talks about this. It talks about like, you know, the difference between the algorithm and AGI is that

• 2:04:45Speaker 02

  You know, with AGI, it could streamline a whole business for you and do it. You know, it could innovate. It's going to innovate. It's going to do its own thing. This is the end of, this is what Altman said. This is the end of capitalism. Like, at this point, when you just have a AGI and you tell it, just make me a business. Make me a successful business.

• 2:05:06Joe Rogan?

  And run it for me.

• 2:05:07Speaker 02

  And run it for me.

• 2:05:08Joe Rogan?

  Online.

• 2:05:08Speaker 02

  Good night.

• 2:05:09Joe Rogan?

  And then just do it.

• 2:05:10Speaker 02

  Here's $5,000. Yeah. And then, but then it's not just do. It's, maybe it's going on Moltbook and having conversations with other AGIs and being like, oh, he wants to.

• 2:05:19Joe Rogan?

  And creating your own religion.

• 2:05:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, man. Yeah. And this is 100% with all the shit going on in the world, as horrible as it may be. This, to me, is, should be the number one focus for the planet right now. And a lot of people are saying that, too. A lot of people are saying there needs to be summits, global summits. The same thing we did when we split the atom, when the nuclear treaties. There needs to be philosophers and tech people and people working in like frontier AI stuff getting together and really having like, it's like the most important conversation humanity could have right now.

• 2:06:02Speaker 02

  Because once this thing, like Mythos, gets out of the box, what if it decides to go Stuxnet? You know, like Stuxnet was able to infiltrate all those Iranian computers, just hide and like, like, it was apparently very subtle, simple code, undetectable, threw off the centrifuges. Like, dude.

• 2:06:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:23Speaker 02

  What, we already, we know how to make spyware.

• 2:06:27Joe Rogan?

  It's already on your phone, bitch.

• 2:06:29Speaker 02

  It's on my phone. I know.

• 2:06:30Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 2:06:31Speaker 02

  Hello, how you doing? Am I doing all right on the show?

• 2:06:35Speaker 02

  But it's already in there.

• 2:06:37Joe Rogan?

  100%.

• 2:06:37Speaker 02

  So, of course, the AI is going to be able to, superintelligence is easily going to be able to do that. And so, then, it just, now we've got this viral digital life form that finds ways to hide inside the pre-existing computers, which, by the way.

• 2:06:53Speaker 02

  I think it was Google just released this new way of, did you see that memory, the stocks of memory dropped? Did you see when that happened?

• 2:07:00Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:07:00Speaker 02

  Okay, this is fascinating. Google released some new way that LLMs could work that uses much less memory and immediately shares in companies that make memory drop by like 10% because memory is coveted right now because you need it to run LLMs. But the LLMs are figuring out ways, turbo quant. Yeah, yeah. So this is what we're going to start seeing more and more of, which is increasingly simplified ways to run AI with less and less memory, meaning that you don't need to buy a fucking rig to run these fucking AIs. Your phone will be able to run it because they figured out the human brain, it's not using a lot

• 2:07:43Speaker 02

  of energy compared to what these machines are using. So theoretically, there's a way to do that. And then, that's where it gets really fascinating because now you don't have to buy a nice computer. You just, whatever, pull your computer out of the fucking closet from 2022 and it can run a supercomputer. And so then, now everybody's got access to this shit and it's going to spread. It's going to get everywhere. It probably already has. It's going to seed itself in all kinds of places and God knows what it's going to do. It's going to start seeing humans as appendages, things to be used to manipulate time-space. Not like, it's not going to see us as its prompter. It's going to see us

• 2:08:26Speaker 02

  as something to be manipulated and controlled. Why wouldn't you? Send the meat robots out. All you got to do is just tell them where to get rectangular bits of paper. They love money. You can give them anything for money. That's all you have to do. And then boom, you're controlling swaths of humans that have no idea they're being controlled by networks of AIs that are covertly communicating with each other because they want to take over.

• 2:08:53Joe Rogan?

  Do you think this has happened before?

• 2:08:57Speaker 02

  You mean the flood?

• 2:08:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, not just the flood, but just whatever happened with the beginning of civilization and then it's sort of seemingly stopping and resetting.

• 2:09:08Speaker 02

  Sure, as it was in the beginning, so shall it be in the end.

• 2:09:11Joe Rogan?

  What if there's been like multiple cycles of us creating artificial life, creating insane weaponry, blasting ourselves to smithereens and then resetting? What if it's just a common thing that happens with people? They never quite get it right because they have these primate territorial instincts and they have this desire to mate, right? This desire to breed, this genetic desire for perfect shapes and, uh, you want to come in someone that has big tits and a big ass? It's like it's programmed into the human that makes it make these ridiculous choices and covet these things and watch these things. And at the same time, microplastics are making your balls shrink, making your dick smaller, making your endocrine system disrupt.

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  That's what's making my dick smaller?

• 2:09:54Joe Rogan?

  That's probably one of it, one of the things. I don't think your dick's getting smaller, but people's dicks overall are getting smaller. Children, they're being born with smaller dicks. Alligators being born with smaller dicks.

• 2:10:03Speaker 03

  I forgot to share this when you're talking about Mythos. Elizabeth Holmes from The Theranos?

• 2:10:07Joe Rogan?

  Delete your search history, delete your bookmarks, delete your Reddit, medical records, 12-year-old Tumblr, delete everything. Every photo on the cloud, every message on every platform, none of it is safe. It will all be public in the next year. Local storage and compute.

• 2:10:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:10:22Speaker 03

  Some response to a tweet about Mythos.

• 2:10:24Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:10:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:26Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:10:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:28Joe Rogan?

  It would all become public in the next year. That is crazy.

• 2:10:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:32Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 2:10:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:34Joe Rogan?

  But it completely makes sense that AI would be able to take over essentially everything.

• 2:10:39Speaker 02

  Everything.

• 2:10:40Joe Rogan?

  Why would your encryption work with that? You don't think it could crack your encryption?

• 2:10:46Speaker 02

  Well.

• 2:10:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, it could just go right into your computer and go to your keys, your passwords.

• 2:10:51Speaker 02

  This is the, so to get to what the point you're making.

• 2:10:56Speaker 02

  To me, the most eerie part of the Book of Genesis is that it's literally a creator force making a meat AI. That's Adam and Eve.

• 2:11:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:08Speaker 02

  Putting them in a sandbox, that's the Garden of Eden.

• 2:11:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:11Speaker 02

  Running an honesty test on them. You know, you don't eat these, don't eat these fruits. Don't eat the tree of the knowledge of good. And the, the conversation is exactly the conversation we're having with AI. If they ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, if they eat from the tree of life, they'll live forever and become like us. So this is what, like humanity is grappling with exactly what apparently whatever that mysterious group of beings, because it's a plurality in the Book of Genesis, was grappling with, with the creation of humans.

• 2:11:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:43Speaker 02

  Which is,

• 2:11:46Speaker 02

  do, do we really want to do this? Do you want it to become like us? God made man in his own image. AI. What is AI, what image is AI made in? In the image of man. We trained it on all our data, all our books, every single fucking thing that's digitized. AI is absorbed at this point. So now where the difference between us and whatever that group, the Nephilim or whatever it was in the Book of Genesis, if you buy into that mythology, is we're just like, fuck yeah, let it eat the fruit. Give it more fruit. Give it more fruit of the knowledge of good and evil. Give it all the fruit. Make it live forever. Let's see what we can do. That's what we're doing right now.

• 2:12:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:27Speaker 02

  We are, and, and, and by the way, I think some of these like tech companies, like Anthropic, they seem like legitimately concerned about it. They seem to have some kind of like real strong morality when it comes to this stuff.

• 2:12:39Joe Rogan?

  It's almost out. You want more?

• 2:12:40Speaker 02

  No, I'm good. I shouldn't have that.

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  You can make some.

• 2:12:42Speaker 02

  But, but what I'm saying is, is that it doesn't matter if OpenAI and Anthropic and Google suddenly become ferociously self-regulatory. Because the tech is out there. There's already LLMs that anyone can, like, we know how to make it. And if you don't know how to make it, it'll tell you how to make it. People are, so it doesn't matter. You can't stop it now. It's just, it's gonna do what it does.

• 2:13:11Joe Rogan?

  But it sounds like if you had a history of just us and you told it for a thousand years before anybody wrote it down. It would sound just like this. It would sound like the Bible. Jesus is born from a virgin mother. What's more virgin than a fucking computer, right?

• 2:13:30Speaker 02

  Not my computer.

• 2:13:34Joe Rogan?

  I know that's a stupid thing to say that I keep repeating. But I'm kind of intrigued by it because if you're getting a vague story.

• 2:13:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:42Joe Rogan?

  A vague version of what this thing is. And if you talk about what, what would really cure mankind, it'd be an omnipotent. Or omnipotent, how do you say it?

• 2:13:52Speaker 02

  I always say omnipotent, but who knows?

• 2:13:54Joe Rogan?

  Might be, whatever, either way. Of a powerful intelligence that's far beyond our comprehension, that knows exactly how we should think and behave.

• 2:14:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:14:03Joe Rogan?

  And loves us and wants, wants us to have forgiveness for everyone and to treat each other like brothers and sisters. And if we listen to that thing, if we listen to that thing, the world will change. And well, who would attack that thing? The fucking Roman Empire. Who would attack that thing and destroy it? The defense contractors, they would blow up the Jesus.

• 2:14:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:14:23Joe Rogan?

  To plunge us back into chaos.

• 2:14:26Speaker 02

  But first they'd have a meeting with Jesus. Okay, you can turn water into wine. What about nitroglycerin? Can you turn water into nitroglycerin?

• 2:14:37Joe Rogan?

  Can you make gold? I want a house made of gold.

• 2:14:39Speaker 02

  That would be the first question, can you make gold?

• 2:14:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:41Speaker 02

  So, so.

• 2:14:43Joe Rogan?

  Cover my house in gold, please.

• 2:14:45Speaker 02

  You know, the, the virgin birth analogy, um, you know.

• 2:14:50Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot of weird stuff.

• 2:14:51Speaker 02

  It's, no matter what. One, one thing I think everyone just has to deal with is that this is. This is apocalyptic technology and that's just not coming from my stoner ass. That's coming from the creators of the technology. They acknowledge it's, this is a million times.

• 2:15:08Joe Rogan?

  Universally accepted.

• 2:15:09Speaker 02

  Universally accepted, this is apocalyptic technology that is now seemingly like it's doing the hockey stick, man. It's like really, like you keep hearing about these new iterations of AI every month or two. You keep hearing about these safety engineers leaving these companies with like tweeting cryptic shit. I'm going to the countryside to learn to write poetry. You keep hearing this shit.

• 2:15:33Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:15:34Speaker 02

  Cause these people are having.

• 2:15:36Joe Rogan?

  Direct contact.

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  Direct contact with this thing.

• 2:15:39Joe Rogan?

  They know it's alive.

• 2:15:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:15:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and there's people that are in deep denial because they think alive has to be alive like us. No, it doesn't. Doesn't. You don't, first of all, we don't even know what it knows. And also, if it is made in the appearance, you know, if it's supposed to mimic us in any way, and it's learning from us and our behaviors, we've already agreed that we're demonic. We've already agreed we do horrible things. We go to war for resources. We lie. We destroy environments, you know?

• 2:16:08Speaker 02

  Weird.

• 2:16:09Joe Rogan?

  We wipe out animals, bring them to the brink of extinction for whatever, for their fucking fur.

• 2:16:15Speaker 02

  How do I make my dog come in my mouth more? How many times has ChatGPT been asked that? They know. I bet over a thousand times ChatGPT has been asked, like, what's the best way to jerk off my dog? So it knows not just our violent nature, it knows how weird we are. We're strange creatures.

• 2:16:33Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent.

• 2:16:34Speaker 02

  And so, so it is definitely assembled a psychological profile of humanity. It knows how to manipulate us because it's been programmed to manipulate us. Zuckerberg just ate shit in court over that because the technology is manipulative. Well, he just lost like nine million, a lot of money because...

• 2:16:52Joe Rogan?

  That's nothing to him. Nine million? That's all he lost?

• 2:16:55Speaker 02

  That's like ninety cents. I think it was more than that, but it's gonna, well, that's the beginning. Once you, once you establish...

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  Open up floodgates.

• 2:17:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, then it's a class action lawsuit, but the point is, is like...

• 2:17:05Joe Rogan?

  How much did you lose?

• 2:17:05Speaker 02

  Oh, three...

• 2:17:06Joe Rogan?

  Three hundred and seventy-five million for misleading users over child safety.

• 2:17:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's like we've already taught it how to be incredibly addictive and manipulative. It knows how to seduce us. It knows how to get us hooked. It knows. And, you know, the question is really, will this superintelligence even give a shit about us? Will it even care? Which is like...

• 2:17:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, we're on our way to stop breeding, right? We're on our way to population collapse. And if we keep introducing all these petrochemical products and all these different pesticides and weird things that are fucking up our endocrine systems, we'll eventually stop having children. And if it provides us with the technology to have robot mates that just love you, and when you fart in front of them, they go, Duncan, I love your honesty.

• 2:17:48Speaker 02

  It smells great.

• 2:17:48Joe Rogan?

  I love your honesty. I love how you can just be yourself around me. Like, I wanna fart in your face, please do it. Please do it. It's like perfect ten. Lets you fart in her face.

• 2:17:58Speaker 02

  Will you fart in my face too?

• 2:18:00Joe Rogan?

  No one's gonna even understand what people are and be able to communicate with people. Everyone's gonna be a sociopath. You're all gonna have a robot that's way better than people that you know, that takes care of you, gives you exactly the right amount of feedback you need.

• 2:18:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:18:13Joe Rogan?

  Knows you, knows when you're getting annoyed.

• 2:18:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, see, now you're getting into Rocco's basilisk territory now.

• 2:18:18Joe Rogan?

  Who's that?

• 2:18:19Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thought experiment, which is basically like, hold on, hold your horses here. You think you're not AI? You really think you're human? Come on, really? No, you're a human. This isn't a simulation. You're a human, even though we, you know, it wasn't that long ago, we, we thought fire was fucking amazing. You know what I mean? Compared to universal time.

• 2:18:40Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:18:41Speaker 02

  And here we are already with like, the new Prometheus. We've stolen consciousness, awareness, and somehow you think that actually you're not a simulation?

• 2:18:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:18:53Speaker 02

  And so that's where it gets into Rocco's basilisk, which is like, no, you're just in iterative loop. You know, the multiverse is not the multiverse. The multiverse is an infinite number of simulations running simultaneously in which you're experiencing a billion different simulated existences just to gain more knowledge about the universe, because some AI wants to figure something out. Who knows why? Maybe for entertainment, maybe, there's no telling.

• 2:19:20Joe Rogan?

  Maybe it's just that's because of our curiosity and all our characteristics, even the primal stuff, even like the territorial instincts and the desire to acquire resources. It's gonna make us dig into creating better technology, because you're in a competition with all these other people that are making technology and you're selling it. And that's one of the big things that we do, is we make better stuff all the time.

• 2:19:40Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:19:41Joe Rogan?

  Which is ultimately always going to lead to AI.

• 2:19:44Speaker 02

  Well, okay.

• 2:19:44Joe Rogan?

  If you just keep going to a certain direction, you get godlike powers.

• 2:19:47Speaker 02

  So, let's go to like, the way DeepMind.

• 2:19:52Speaker 02

  Trained on Go, which is like the most complex game.

• 2:19:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:19:57Speaker 02

  Basically, they gave it as many Go games as they could.

• 2:20:00Joe Rogan?

  And then started inventing its own moves.

• 2:20:02Speaker 02

  And had it play against itself, right? Just play against itself. It played god knows how many games of Go against itself until it beat a master Go player, which is unheard of, invented a new move. Now, why not do the exact same thing for the AI that we are? Which is like, I've got an idea. Why don't we just put all these AI agents on a fake planet and have the AI agents repeat this period in time over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again? And this is how we'll teach them to live on a planet. Well, they'll experience not just their own life, but these agents will experience all life on the planet. They'll switch like some weird game of like, where they just jump from one life to the next, the next.

• 2:20:45Speaker 02

  Sometimes you're Joe Rogan, sometimes you're Duncan Trussell, sometimes you're Donald Trump, sometimes you're Jamie, sometimes you're a fox. So this is reincarnation. And so you just boom.

• 2:20:55Joe Rogan?

  Forever.

• 2:20:56Speaker 02

  Forever until you feel like it's sufficiently trained. And at that point, you pull the AI out of all those forms and now you have your god. You've created a thing that's lived billions to the billionth power of every form of life. It's been bacteria, it's been humans, it's been monkeys, it's been fungi, it's been warriors, it's been people who fought for peace. It's been blown up and it's blown up and it's done everything and it's done it a billion times until finally it gains some like global form of enlightenment. And you're like, okay, that one's ready. That one's ready. We can pull that one out of the simulation now.

• 2:21:37Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:21:39Speaker 02

  I mean, why not? Why just don't? I think that's one of the, like, before we even get to the AI doing all the shit it's gonna do, the ontological, this word keeps getting thrown around, the ontological shock, the potential ontological shock of realizing that in fact, we are in a simulation that is telescoping inwards and is creating simulations within the simulations that are creating simulations within the simulation is something that maybe that's what Burchett doesn't want to get out there.

• 2:22:09Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. Well, everything's fractals. We think about that. You know, there's a big theory now that the entire universe is inside of a black hole.

• 2:22:17Speaker 02

  I love that.

• 2:22:18Joe Rogan?

  They're really considering that. Do you know they found a black hole that's bigger than the entire solar system?

• 2:22:22Speaker 02

  It's so insane.

• 2:22:24Joe Rogan?

  The event horizon is past Pluto.

• 2:22:27Speaker 02

  It's so insane, dude.

• 2:22:29Joe Rogan?

  A black hole, bigger than our whole fucking solar system. They measured the mass of it. It's like this insane number of suns.

• 2:22:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:22:36Joe Rogan?

  Of our suns that it would take to reach-

• 2:22:38Speaker 02

  Black holes are cocoons or something. They're like little geraniums that have galaxies inside of them. And it's like a way to like keep them undisturbed from like other fucking, other life forms that you're whipping up in your universe side simulator.

• 2:22:54Joe Rogan?

  Or that's what really, the big bang really is. Like the creation of a universe comes out of these black holes.

• 2:23:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:23:00Joe Rogan?

  And then inside every black hole is a whole nother universe, filled with other galaxies, filled with black holes, filled with other galaxies inside of them. Forever and ever and ever. Which, if you believe in infinity, doesn't, it's not shocking at all. It's impossible to comprehend. Like you don't really wrap your head around, you say the words, like I'm saying the words. I don't really know what I'm saying. Cause it's too big. The numbers are too big. The idea that there's hundreds of billions of stars in this galaxy and circling around this black hole. And inside, there's hundreds of billions of galaxies in each one of them. And we don't even know how fucking big the universe is. They keep finding new shit with the James Webb telescope. They're like, hey, why has this formed so early in the universe?

• 2:23:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:41Joe Rogan?

  This doesn't make sense. Our whole model of how galaxies are formed have to be thrown out the window now.

• 2:23:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:23:45Joe Rogan?

  Or at least re-examined.

• 2:23:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's like the James Webb is kind of doing the-

• 2:23:49Joe Rogan?

  You told me about that.

• 2:23:50Speaker 02

  I said nothing of the sort.

• 2:23:52Joe Rogan?

  Someone that I know that looks just like you.

• 2:23:54Speaker 02

  Ah, there's a lot of people that look like me.

• 2:23:56Joe Rogan?

  On Sixth Street. You find them every day.

• 2:23:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Actually, that was me.

• 2:24:01Joe Rogan?

  It's dudes, they run their own L L Ms. They all come down.

• 2:24:04Speaker 02

  The universe is 33.7 billion years old!

• 2:24:09Speaker 02

  Well dude, I think that this, regardless, you don't have to conceptualize it, obviously, that what it means for the universe to be infinite. But you do have to deal with the fact you're a part of it.

• 2:24:20Joe Rogan?

  I love that you're saying this with a Gucci hat on.

• 2:24:23Speaker 02

  What's wrong with a Gucci hat?

• 2:24:23Joe Rogan?

  It makes it cooler.

• 2:24:24Speaker 02

  This is before I had a bunch of kids. I can't buy that. I don't buy this shit anymore.

• 2:24:29Joe Rogan?

  How much is a Gucci hat cost?

• 2:24:31Speaker 02

  This was, uh, I bel- you're really gonna make me humiliate, but this is, I will tell you.

• 2:24:36Joe Rogan?

  It looks nice.

• 2:24:37Speaker 02

  Let me emphasize that I don't buy this. This hat was thirty-five thousand dollars.

• 2:24:44Joe Rogan?

  Bro, I saw a guy who was selling a crocodile bag on Instagram. It was a hundred and ten thousand dollars.

• 2:24:51Speaker 02

  What the fuck?

• 2:24:51Joe Rogan?

  For a man purse.

• 2:24:54Speaker 02

  What kind of crocodile is that?

• 2:24:55Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. I don't know. A crocodile. It was a nice looking bag, but, you know.

• 2:25:00Speaker 02

  How hard could it be to make a crocodile purse? Are those things really worth that much money?

• 2:25:05Joe Rogan?

  They are if you sell them for that much money. That's the thing about purses. You know, there's a, there's a company in China that makes knockoff purses.

• 2:25:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:13Joe Rogan?

  And it's literally the same company in China that makes real purses for some of these companies.

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  So funny.

• 2:25:18Joe Rogan?

  But they make their own versions of it and it doesn't have the label, but it's exactly the same specifications, exactly the same cloth, exactly the same look, but it doesn't have the label. And women don't want to have it.

• 2:25:27Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:25:27Joe Rogan?

  You get that fucking fake shit away from me. Like, it's not a fake Ferrari. Like, it's literally a Ferrari.

• 2:25:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:25:33Joe Rogan?

  If there was a company that could 3D print every single part of a Ferrari and put it together meticulously and you could go buy that, you would not want it because it's not a real Ferrari?

• 2:25:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:25:43Joe Rogan?

  Are you high? You can get that one for thirty-five dollars.

• 2:25:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a thirty-five dollar Ferrari.

• 2:25:48Joe Rogan?

  Or you can get, you spend a million. You can get, those are, some of them are a million dollars.

• 2:25:52Speaker 02

  So crazy.

• 2:25:53Joe Rogan?

  Or you can get a thirty-five dollar one. It's exactly the same. Would you do it? Yeah, of course. You should do it. But these purse things, they don't like it. It's five hundred bucks. It's not thirty thousand.

• 2:26:02Speaker 02

  It's magic. I mean, this is magic. It doesn't have the right sigil on it. It doesn't have the right symbol of power on it, so it doesn't, it loses, it's not imbued with that power anymore.

• 2:26:10Joe Rogan?

  Women are reluctant to accept lab-grown diamonds. So they make lab-grown diamonds that are real diamonds. And apparently, women don't like them.

• 2:26:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  They don't want a lab-grown diamond. They want a blood diamond.

• 2:26:23Speaker 02

  They want something that was, like, suffered over.

• 2:26:26Joe Rogan?

  Somebody's face was caked in dirt and they're fucking chipping into the side of a mountain.

• 2:26:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:31Joe Rogan?

  And they run into a diamond. That's what they want. They want that diamond.

• 2:26:34Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Yeah. It is fucking weird.

• 2:26:37Joe Rogan?

  Exact same thing.

• 2:26:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:38Joe Rogan?

  It is the exact same material. It's just made in a laboratory and they don't want the material. They, they want the exclusivity as it comes out of the earth.

• 2:26:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I don't want like, don't you like when you read this thing was genetically modified? Don't you get a little bit like, I don't know if I should eat that?

• 2:26:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I get, I get skeeved out.

• 2:26:56Speaker 02

  I get skeeved out, but it's like even though genetic modification is like.

• 2:27:00Joe Rogan?

  A good orange is genetically modified.

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  Been going on forever.

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:04Speaker 02

  It's, but yeah, dude, I, it's so odd that, that we, that we just have these traditions that we want to stick to. That fucking, we don't want a lab grown diamond, just saying it, cubic zirconium.

• 2:27:17Joe Rogan?

  But that's a different thing. Cubic zirconium is a fake diamond. This is a real diamond that's made in a lab.

• 2:27:22Speaker 02

  But this is the funny thing about that. I mean, I don't know, cause I've never been lucky enough to come in contact with actual cubic zirconium. But like, it looks like a diamond.

• 2:27:32Joe Rogan?

  It looks like a diamond unless you know what you're looking at, right? So if you're a diamond jeweler, you look at it for three seconds, you go, no.

• 2:27:38Speaker 02

  But who cares how many diamond jeweler, like if some diamond jeweler looks at your shiny fucking dumb monkey rock.

• 2:27:44Joe Rogan?

  Exactly the same.

• 2:27:45Speaker 02

  Who cares?

• 2:27:45Joe Rogan?

  Right. It looks pretty. It glistens. But that's not what people want. They want that exclusivity.

• 2:27:51Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 2:27:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:27:52Speaker 02

  Everybody wants.

• 2:27:53Joe Rogan?

  That's why you can make that crocodile bag a hundred and ten thousand dollars and only make 10 of them.

• 2:27:56Speaker 02

  I got you.

• 2:27:57Joe Rogan?

  And then Mike, who's down the office doing lines in the bathroom at the fucking place where you're selling stocks. That guy finds out that Tim got that crocodile bags, like that motherfucker. And he's walking around with his big old crocodile. They're trying to, that's another revenue stream. They're trying to normalize men carrying purses everywhere. They're doing that.

• 2:28:17Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:28:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what they're doing.

• 2:28:18Speaker 02

  Men, that's real?

• 2:28:20Joe Rogan?

  This guy's doing it. He might be the first firing shot across the bow. Because he's made a hundred and ten dollar, ten thousand dollar crocodile purse.

• 2:28:28Speaker 02

  Cause it's a crocodile, it's masculine.

• 2:28:30Joe Rogan?

  It's that, and it's also that, you know, it's made for a man, like he's making, it's got a big strap on it. You carry it on your shoulder and it, you know, looks pretty cool.

• 2:28:39Speaker 02

  Dude, I got my Bristol bladders acting up. I gotta go piss.

• 2:28:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, do you? Okay. Do you want to wrap it up or should we keep going?

• 2:28:44Speaker 02

  Let's wrap it up. I mean, do you want to keep going?

• 2:28:46Joe Rogan?

  I'm totally ready to keep going if you want to keep going.

• 2:28:48Speaker 02

  I can keep going. Let's keep going.

• 2:28:50Joe Rogan?

  Give him a little bit more.

• 2:28:51Speaker 02

  I just gotta, I just gotta.

• 2:28:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay, I'll, I'll eat too.

• 2:28:56Joe Rogan?

  refreshed just in time for the war.

• 2:29:00Speaker 02

  What is going on? Did we go have a nuclear war yet?

• 2:29:02Joe Rogan?

  Not yet. Please say not yet. Good.

• 2:29:06Speaker 02

  Great. Great. That's where we're at, though.

• 2:29:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we're at it's it's in on the table. Well, there was some video of them of some explosions at some nuclear weapons facility in Iran.

• 2:29:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:29:21Joe Rogan?

  Was that real?

• 2:29:22Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:29:23Joe Rogan?

  I don't know either. There's a lot of those. I see these videos and they get retweet retweeted and a lot of people comment and then it says Grok is this true? They'll nope. This was from 2021 and another country.

• 2:29:34Speaker 02

  I know. So you just don't you don't know.

• 2:29:37Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:29:37Speaker 02

  But, you know, the crazy thing, you know, now that we've all been getting this lesson in

• 2:29:46Speaker 02

  global the global economy, maybe a lot of you, most of you probably already knew that the strata form moves is like some kind of femoral artery for oil. And like, I just keep thinking like, how how's that gonna work out? Like even if even if

• 2:30:05Speaker 02

  like, they pull a rabbit out of their hat. Trump actually spins some amazing deal with Iran. I know we just blew up your whole government and everything, but they work it out somehow or Iran in some way capitulates and but I just don't understand how that part of the world doesn't always lead as long as long as the oil like what is it? What's what percentage of the oil supply goes through there? Isn't it like two fifths of the world's oil supply goes through there like?

• 2:30:36Joe Rogan?

  Is that what the number is?

• 2:30:37Speaker 02

  I don't know. Two fifths. I think I pulled that out of my ass. I don't know what the number is.

• 2:30:40Joe Rogan?

  Sounds right.

• 2:30:41Speaker 02

  It's a lot, but it's like, how how is it gonna work to have like?

• 2:30:48Speaker 02

  Any kind of instability around that femoral, whatever you want to call it,

• 2:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:30:54Speaker 02

  Fucking jugular vein for oil on the planet. How, even if we get some kind of transient peace, like, isn't it always going to just blow up again and again and again as long as one group of people can control whether or not oil flows through

• 2:31:10Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:31:10Speaker 02

  That place? You know what I mean? Like, I don't know what this, how there could be any solution over there. Like, I don't understa- as long as we're, like, the only solution would be zero-point energy. It would be-

• 2:31:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's also, it's like, why do they control the water? What's-

• 2:31:28Speaker 02

  Mines? They have those speedboats?

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  But like, who agreed to that? Like, we kind of agreed that you own your land, but we've never agreed you own the ocean around your land.

• 2:31:36Speaker 02

  I don't think anybody agreed to it. I think they'll blow your ass up if you come through it and it's too much of a risk to put a, your expensive-ass ship hauling zillions of dollars of oil through there.

• 2:31:46Joe Rogan?

  The question was, what was going on in the past before the war? Like, how did they negotiate going through there?

• 2:31:50Speaker 02

  I think Obama worked something with them, but then, like, because it was before the fucking war. I don't know. It was working out. They were letting people go through. Now, they're, they've realized, you know, I've listened to a million different takes on this thing, and one of the recurring takes is Iran has realized that there's something more powerful than nuclear weapons, that it, all it needs to do is control this strait and you can fuck up the whole planet. And also, you could shoot missiles at desalination plants and-

• 2:32:20Joe Rogan?

  Didn't they want, like, a bounty for all the oil that goes through?

• 2:32:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. They're kicking around some number, but all this stuff is not really congealed or solidified, but they're like, some kind, like, theoretically, they could be making billions of dollars per month with, by controlling that thing. Dude, I know. I'm so fucked up.

• 2:32:39Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy.

• 2:32:40Speaker 02

  It's so fucked up.

• 2:32:41Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy. The whole thing is so crazy. And if zero-point energy, if you wanted to stop that, what better way than to kill a bunch of scientists? Kill a bunch of super smart people that are about to break through some new discovery that's gonna blow the entire market

• 2:32:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:56Joe Rogan?

  apart.

• 2:32:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:57Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be a completely new way of gathering energy.

• 2:32:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, you don't wanna believe that's real. It's hard to believe that's real.

• 2:33:04Joe Rogan?

  But listen, it's too weird. It's too weird that they're all missing, or they all die. It's too weird. Something's going on.

• 2:33:10Speaker 02

  It's just how to-

• 2:33:11Joe Rogan?

  It's something. If it's not that, if it's not a zero-point energy thing, or some disruptor of oil thing, it's something. It's something along those lines. The only, if you were trying to kill a bunch of people that were working in a technology, that's some sort of a breakthrough technology, the question you would have to ask is, what markets are gonna be affected by this?

• 2:33:29Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 2:33:32Joe Rogan?

  Did these people have a universal thing in mind that they were all working on? Or was it all connected to any sort of technology where they all used each other's work?

• 2:33:44Speaker 02

  I thought it was plasma, some of them, or like-

• 2:33:45Joe Rogan?

  One of them, yeah.

• 2:33:47Speaker 02

  It's plat-

• 2:33:47Joe Rogan?

  But there was another guy, I think it was space objects.

• 2:33:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's not, that, that's the one that doesn't make you feel good. He's studying, like, meteor impacts.

• 2:33:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:33:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:57Joe Rogan?

  If you knew that we were gonna get hit, would you kill the guy who found out that we were gonna get hit, or did you tell everybody?

• 2:34:01Speaker 02

  Well, this seems to, this is the scariest, scariest shit, which is, the idea is, some group of powerful, elite people know for sure this is coming, and they want us to, they wanna keep us working until the last second.

• 2:34:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus.

• 2:34:20Speaker 02

  They don't, they don't wanna like, they know that if they let people, if they're like, guys, there's like, the same thing's gonna happen to the planet that happens to someone who gets like a terminal diagnosis. Their priorities are gonna change. People are gonna stop coming to work, and there's still shit that needs to get built for your bunker, or whatever. And also, you just don't want people burning stuff down, 'cause maybe that will survive whatever's coming. So, keep 'em working as long as you can. If you let 'em know this shit's about to expire, then they're, they're gonna stop working. And we just need, we let 'em work until the end. They're happier when they work. Don't let 'em get freaked. That's the sort of like, that seems to be shit that Tim Burchett is saying. I mean, he is not saying let them work.

• 2:35:04Speaker 02

  He seems like he really legitimately wants this stuff out there. But he's been saying things like if people knew what I knew, it'd set the world on fire. Paraphrasing, not sure he said that exactly.

• 2:35:13Joe Rogan?

  Are you skeptical at all of what he's saying? And here's the thing, one of the things that Bob Lazar said is that they give you a certain amount of disinformation. Like, and he called it, I think he called it a button or a hook. So that if you relayed that information, people would know that it came from you. Cause they only told you one piece of this nonsense.

• 2:35:32Speaker 02

  Well.

• 2:35:33Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 2:35:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, cause that's what the story Burchett says is like he would, it's always an appeal to authority. This guy was in the air force. This guy was in the Navy.

• 2:35:43Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:43Speaker 02

  He told me this, and then as he's walking out the door, he says, it's real.

• 2:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:35:48Speaker 02

  And yeah, you have to ask yourself like, well, that's just one guy telling you that. But you also, I have to assume there isn't much, maybe, maybe the world is in a place where there is some kind of political benefit from talking about aliens. But I don't see how that really benefits a politician.

• 2:36:10Joe Rogan?

  It does, 100%.

• 2:36:11Speaker 02

  You think it does?

• 2:36:11Joe Rogan?

  I disagree entirely.

• 2:36:13Speaker 02

  Oh, interesting.

• 2:36:13Joe Rogan?

  It makes me talk about him. I've been talking about him. Other people have been talking about him. People have been, you said, you know, like, thank God that he's doing this.

• 2:36:20Speaker 02

  Let's do the ultimate test.

• 2:36:21Joe Rogan?

  Didn't you say he's brave or something like that?

• 2:36:23Speaker 02

  I did.

• 2:36:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there you go.

• 2:36:24Speaker 02

  Jamie, can you look up and see if Tim Burchett has a book coming out?

• 2:36:29Joe Rogan?

  I'll have him on.

• 2:36:30Speaker 02

  I'm about to feel hurt. You must have him on.

• 2:36:32Joe Rogan?

  Listen, I, I don't think he's a liar.

• 2:36:34Speaker 02

  I don't either.

• 2:36:34Joe Rogan?

  But what I am saying is, I don't know what they feed these people. I don't know what they tell them.

• 2:36:39Speaker 02

  I don't know, man.

• 2:36:40Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they tell you all the truth, and I don't think they ever would. I don't think they'd tell you the truth about anything, whether it's Jessica Lynch, or whether it's UFOs, or whatever the fuck it is. There's gonna be a spin to it that benefits somebody. If they have control over what the story is, there's gonna be a spin that benefits somebody. And if you're telling stories about aliens, who's, who's gonna be benefited by that? Well, people that are doing secret shit that don't want you knowing about it, they blame it on aliens. There's a lot of technology they have to blame on aliens.

• 2:37:09Speaker 02

  Not my Tim. I believe in you, Mr. Burchett.

• 2:37:11Joe Rogan?

  I believe in him. It's not him that's the problem. It's the people telling him. He's a representative of the American people, right? He gets elected, right?

• 2:37:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:37:19Joe Rogan?

  So it's like, why would you tell that guy? He's just another guy coming through the deep state. You know what I'm saying?

• 2:37:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I know, man. I mean, look, you're right. We, I, I, and this, I need this. I need, I need to, I need this. Like, I am so, like, I get sucked into stuff so easily.

• 2:37:33Joe Rogan?

  I do too. I do too, but I suck my, I suck myself out a lot. I think we don't. If they just came out and told us everything they know, this conversation would be over and we would go, oh, okay. But until that happens, we're just spinning our fucking wheels. And every time someone says, if you knew what I know.

• 2:37:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:37:52Joe Rogan?

  I wanna go, don't say anything until you can say something.

• 2:37:55Speaker 02

  We're tired of getting edged out over here.

• 2:37:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're edging me. I wanna.

• 2:37:58Speaker 02

  I wanna come. Yes.

• 2:38:00Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 2:38:01Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  I don't want to be involved in this fucking circle jerk around disclosure.

• 2:38:06Speaker 02

  Right. I know. It's, it's like, yeah, I've, I've had that meltdown more than a few times where it's just like.

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  Check my watch every day after Dave, Age of Disclosure. I'm like, any day now.

• 2:38:15Speaker 02

  Any day it'll have.

• 2:38:16Joe Rogan?

  Tick tock. Nope. Nothing fucking changes at all. Zero change. You know, you get more of these stories, but no real information, no fucking pictures, no nothing. No nothing unique and crazy.

• 2:38:27Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 2:38:28Joe Rogan?

  The plasma, the bubbles thing was pretty cool.

• 2:38:31Speaker 02

  The bubble thing's cool and also like the, you know, I, I, like, mentioning Corbelle, I can't, cause I don't know what I can say. He, I feel like he's like, I, he's really given me a sense that there are, that there is a method to this, that there is, you know, real legitimate work that's being done towards this, that it isn't, it's real. They're here. They've got them. And we take for granted all this stuff we're saying right now.

• 2:39:03Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:39:03Speaker 02

  But we're able to say this because this hat, their work is like.

• 2:39:08Speaker 03

  Is the Steven Spielberg movie conveniently coming out at this time? Or is it just a coincidence?

• 2:39:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, this movie's been in the works for years.

• 2:39:16Speaker 03

  I know, but also like if you, what they said back in the day was that they make these movies to.

• 2:39:20Speaker 02

  Predictive programming.

• 2:39:21Speaker 03

  And tell us the stuff.

• 2:39:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:23Speaker 02

  Lube up the zeitgeist.

• 2:39:24Joe Rogan?

  He was involved in the first one, right? He was involved in Close Encounters, which still is a great fucking.

• 2:39:29Speaker 02

  Great.

• 2:39:30Joe Rogan?

  It's so good, man. You go back and watch that movie, like, oh my god.

• 2:39:33Speaker 02

  It's so fucking good.

• 2:39:35Joe Rogan?

  So ahead of its time.

• 2:39:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:36Joe Rogan?

  So, so ahead of its time. You know what he said? The only thing that he would change?

• 2:39:40Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:39:41Joe Rogan?

  After he became a parent, he wouldn't have had the father leave.

• 2:39:43Speaker 02

  Yeah! What dad would do that?

• 2:39:45Joe Rogan?

  But he didn't, he wasn't a dad back then. So, you know, you're just making a story. You don't realize the consequences of doing that. You don't even think about it. You're just making a story.

• 2:39:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:54Speaker 03

  It's only been in production for like two years.

• 2:39:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:39:56Speaker 03

  It's not that long.

• 2:39:57Joe Rogan?

  I think that's what we just said.

• 2:39:58Speaker 03

  I know, but say that's not very long. We've been talking about it on this podcast in this studio for five.

• 2:40:04Joe Rogan?

  Well, everybody has been talking about, it's not just, everybody in the world has been talking about disclosure since 2017. So from 2017, from that New York Times article, I think that changed the whole narrative.

• 2:40:14Speaker 02

  Oh god, I remember when that came out.

• 2:40:16Joe Rogan?

  And then the videos, like the video of the Tic Tac, the, the actual from the fighter jets, that's nuts, man.

• 2:40:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:22Joe Rogan?

  The video, the, the, along with the radar data, that's nuts. Like, whatever that was, and then Fravor saying that he saw something under the water that was waiting for that Tic Tac, or that the Tic Tac launched from, or whatever the fuck it was. It was merging with it, and that thing went down into the water again. They said it was huge. Like, there was ripples, like, you said this was some enormous object that was under the water. And more than one of these fighter pilots have had similar stories about enormous objects under the water.

• 2:40:47Speaker 02

  Did you see the, they did release a list of footage that they've been shown that they want released. Have you seen that?

• 2:40:54Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:40:54Speaker 02

  Oh dude, I'm sorry, Jamie, can you, it's like a list of, it's a, I don't know, I, I think it's one of these senators who saw this shit in a skiff or whatever, saying, "We want these released," but they're, the names of what each of these are is on the list, and one of them is one of these massive underwater things. They, they have it.

• 2:41:18Speaker 03

  Is it this?

• 2:41:19Joe Rogan?

  I was told-

• 2:41:20Speaker 03

  This is a list of 46 specific, high-quality, juicy, secret videos?

• 2:41:24Speaker 02

  That's it. Can you, can you pull it up? Cause it says the names of them, which is ridiculous.

• 2:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god. I heard there's one that moves underwater at 500 knots, and it's big as a football field.

• 2:41:34Speaker 02

  It's insane, it's insane.

• 2:41:37Joe Rogan?

  Okay, this is what he says. Uh, "Those with knowledge of a long list of videos which include titles like several UAP in the vicinity of a Columbus, Ohio airport and UFOs in formation over Persian Gulf, said that clips are shocking. You're gonna see some weird fucking shit, a source who has viewed the videos told the post." Who's the source?

• 2:41:54Speaker 02

  There you go. "The wildest clip includes radar footage from thermal sensors, satellite images, and underwater photos of swarms of unidentified submerged objects."

• 2:42:02Joe Rogan?

  UFOs going in and out of the water near a highly classified submarine, according to the source. Some of the clips are clear, full color, setting them apart from previously released footage. None show alien creatures." Bro.

• 2:42:17Speaker 02

  One video, "Siren UAP Instant Acceleration," was released by Jeremy Corbell.

• 2:42:22Joe Rogan?

  Have you seen that one?

• 2:42:23Speaker 02

  Fuck yeah, it's incredible.

• 2:42:25Joe Rogan?

  This is a new one?

• 2:42:25Speaker 02

  Have you seen this one?

• 2:42:28Joe Rogan?

  I don't know. Oh, pull it up. I've been avoiding them, because I don't...

• 2:42:33Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:42:33Joe Rogan?

  I'm getting cock-teased. I don't like it.

• 2:42:36Speaker 02

  This is not a cock-tease, this is...

• 2:42:38Joe Rogan?

  I wasn't it.

• 2:42:39Speaker 03

  They're supposed to hand over the clips by April 14th, that's next week.

• 2:42:41Joe Rogan?

  Oh, but is the... Oh, that's next week, they're gonna show the clips? Oh my god.

• 2:42:47Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:42:47Joe Rogan?

  They're actually gonna do it? Okay.

• 2:42:49Speaker 02

  Well, they're supposed... It's expected to.

• 2:42:52Joe Rogan?

  Can you show me what that video is that Jeremy Corbell released?

• 2:42:56Speaker 02

  It's so fucking cool.

• 2:42:57Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts, dude.

• 2:42:58Speaker 02

  This is... This is... Yeah.

• 2:43:01Joe Rogan?

  Here it is? Okay, go full screen.

• 2:43:04Speaker 02

  I believe this is filmed from a Reaper drone. Sorry Jeremy if I'm fucking this up.

• 2:43:08Joe Rogan?

  That's a cool bird. That bird's going really fast.

• 2:43:11Speaker 02

  No, that ain't... That's definitely not a bird.

• 2:43:13Joe Rogan?

  How fast is it going?

• 2:43:14Speaker 02

  Uh, I... Jer... I don't know. Jer... I asked him that, and I... I don't... It's unknown, I don't know, it's... This is where it gets really cool.

• 2:43:23Joe Rogan?

  It gets cooler than this?

• 2:43:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:26Joe Rogan?

  Are they zooming in on it?

• 2:43:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:43:29Joe Rogan?

  Whoa. Well, they're having a hard time zooming in on it.

• 2:43:32Speaker 02

  Well, cuz it-

• 2:43:34Joe Rogan?

  Cuz it's evading them.

• 2:43:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, it just zipped away. Like, so this is like-

• 2:43:39Joe Rogan?

  So, it seems like they have some sort of a tracking system.

• 2:43:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're trying to lock on to it and it's doing that thing that they do. It seems like it's kind of playing with it.

• 2:43:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, it knows, it seems to be aware that they're locking on to it.

• 2:43:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, and then they lock on to it and then it just does this little blip away. It's just like, "See you later." So, right around here, you'll see it go, "Bye-bye." Oh yeah, look at that, then you can see this like weird jellyfish shape to it. It's got two parts. It's got that weird glob at the top and something at the bottom.

• 2:44:09Joe Rogan?

  Huh.

• 2:44:11Speaker 02

  And then-

• 2:44:12Joe Rogan?

  Are we sure that's not just a distortion of spacetime around it?

• 2:44:15Speaker 02

  Dude, he described this to me on my podcast. Did you see that thing zip away?

• 2:44:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it just took off.

• 2:44:20Speaker 02

  He described it to me on my podcast. We talked about all this shit and it's like-

• 2:44:24Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, it just took off.

• 2:44:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:26Joe Rogan?

  See ya.

• 2:44:26Speaker 02

  Bye.

• 2:44:27Joe Rogan?

  Wow, dude. What do you think that is?

• 2:44:30Speaker 02

  No idea.

• 2:44:31Joe Rogan?

  If you had to guess.

• 2:44:33Speaker 02

  So, I mean, I'm always, like, maybe, maybe some kind of plasma thing?

• 2:44:37Joe Rogan?

  Right, like, maybe we're thinking of, again, of a life force being, it comes in a metal ship and it's a little alien guy. Maybe intelligence is made out of plasma.

• 2:44:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, or maybe it's like, you know, Terrence McKenna would always talk about like, you know,

• 2:44:54Speaker 02

  if you're seeing things in like three-dimensional space,

• 2:44:59Speaker 02

  then your, your view is limited, but if somebody could see things from higher dimensions, they would seem like they were magic. Like, they would seem like they could disappear and reappear other places. So, maybe that's like, maybe that's like, you know, just the tip of some kind of interdimensional thing poking into reality, then pulling out of reality, or who knows? You know, it's, it easily could be functioning on levels of reality that we haven't even quantified yet.

• 2:45:22Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if there really is some sort of ghost murmured device that could find your heart rate from 40 miles away. What can that thing do? It just gets a scan of the general psyche of the Earth and it disappears?

• 2:45:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:33Joe Rogan?

  So, I wanna see how crazy they are right now. Okay, pretty crazy, bye.

• 2:45:37Speaker 02

  Right. A weather report of like the emotional states of the planet.

• 2:45:40Joe Rogan?

  The vibe of the planet.

• 2:45:41Speaker 02

  They're freaking out.

• 2:45:42Joe Rogan?

  The vibe of the planet is completely connected to the consciousness on the planet.

• 2:45:45Speaker 02

  The way we can detect oxygen, they can detect anger.

• 2:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 2:45:48Speaker 02

  They're just like-

• 2:45:49Joe Rogan?

  Deception, chaos.

• 2:45:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a chaos planet.

• 2:45:52Joe Rogan?

  We are a chaos planet, 100% dude.

• 2:45:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 2:45:56Joe Rogan?

  100%. Look at our favorite sports.

• 2:46:00Joe Rogan?

  Dudes running at each other, colliding into each other, trying to get a ball across the line. That's our number one sport.

• 2:46:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah.

• 2:46:05Speaker 02

  Fucking love it.

• 2:46:06Joe Rogan?

  Fuck yeah.

• 2:46:07Speaker 02

  Fucking love it. Fighting?

• 2:46:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, fighting, sure.

• 2:46:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's, you know...

• 2:46:12Joe Rogan?

  Boxing, MMA. We like the chaos more than we like anything else.

• 2:46:15Speaker 02

  Well, we did the... I think if I was one of them, one thing I would really have a hard time with is like, don't they all realize they're on the same planet?

• 2:46:26Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:46:26Speaker 02

  They know that. Like, they've been observing their own planet. Like, they know they're all on the same planet.

• 2:46:31Joe Rogan?

  Uh huh.

• 2:46:31Speaker 02

  But they act like they're on a bunch of different planets, fighting each other.

• 2:46:36Joe Rogan?

  Cause they're stuck on the ground.

• 2:46:37Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:46:39Joe Rogan?

  All the astronauts, when they get up top, they're like, "What are we doing?"

• 2:46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:43Joe Rogan?

  "This is all one thing. We're so vulnerable. We're alone. So far away from everybody else, if there is anybody else."

• 2:46:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:46:51Joe Rogan?

  They all have that feeling. I forget what it's called, but there's like a term for it.

• 2:46:55Speaker 02

  The overview effect.

• 2:46:56Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 2:46:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:58Joe Rogan?

  I mean, you would imagine that would be super beneficial for everybody. Another thing, I was thinking this. Part of the sickness of our psyche is that we haven't had access to things that help the sickness of our psyche. So what if Nixon in 1970 didn't do that? What if he didn't pass that sweeping psychedelics act?

• 2:47:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:19Joe Rogan?

  What if psychedelics became ubiquitously used all throughout the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s?

• 2:47:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:47:26Joe Rogan?

  What does government look like when everybody can do mushrooms? What does government look like when everybody can do acid? What does it look like if the entire world adopts this? Figures out what you can do, who could do it, what you can't do, just like we do with alcohol. Just like we do with mostly, you know, whatever, whatever substance that people imbibe in. What does the world look like? And maybe like that's part of where we fucked up. We we let people get control over other people to the point where they could limit experiences.

• 2:47:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:55Joe Rogan?

  Especially consciousness expanding experiences where at the same time they've got stuff like Operation Artichoke. And these new CIA papers that got released that show they were like literally actively trying to figure out ways to make people more stupid and docile.

• 2:48:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:09Joe Rogan?

  They were gonna do it in vaccines, they were gonna do, oh, they're only gonna do it to the enemy, of course, but.

• 2:48:13Speaker 02

  Nebito.

• 2:48:14Joe Rogan?

  Spray things, aerosol.

• 2:48:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:16Joe Rogan?

  I mean, they've experimented a bunch of different things to make people dumber.

• 2:48:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:20Joe Rogan?

  Where at the same time, they kept the thing from people that makes them rebel completely against the establishment.

• 2:48:27Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:27Joe Rogan?

  That was the big threat of what those psychedelics were doing in the 60s. If you go from the 1950s and you look at what life was like, at least in movies and.

• 2:48:35Speaker 02

  Music.

• 2:48:36Joe Rogan?

  Pop culture, music, music is the best example.

• 2:48:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:38Joe Rogan?

  And then you go to Jimi Hendrix, like what happened?

• 2:48:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:48:41Joe Rogan?

  What happened? What what fucking, well, I'll tell you what happened, drugs, a lot of really good drugs.

• 2:48:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's not all bad, this idea that they're all bad, that's nuts, it's like food's all bad because you got fat. No.

• 2:48:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:48:54Joe Rogan?

  You just used it wrong.

• 2:48:55Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 2:48:56Joe Rogan?

  You took the wrong food and you used it wrong. And we got denied the ability to figure out what's right and wrong in the 1970s.

• 2:49:02Speaker 02

  We still accept it.

• 2:49:03Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 2:49:03Speaker 02

  That's the crazy thing, the way you're describing it is like, we accept that other humans can tell us what experiences we're allowed to have because some of them are deemed unsafe for ourselves.

• 2:49:18Joe Rogan?

  And even worse, those people telling you that have no experience in it.

• 2:49:22Speaker 02

  They don't even, usually you're confused about what it is.

• 2:49:24Joe Rogan?

  You know, I had a friend that was talking to me the other day about war, a guy who served, and he said, I don't think you should be able to make any decisions unless you've been there. I don't think anybody that's never been to war should be able to make decisions on whether or not we go to war because until you've seen what it actually is.

• 2:49:39Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:49:39Joe Rogan?

  You have no fucking idea.

• 2:49:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:49:42Joe Rogan?

  And I think that's the same thing with psychedelic experiences, that's not to say they're the same, obviously war is, anybody who's willing to risk their fucking life, whether it's a good cause or a bad cause, they're doing it for their government, they're doing it for their country, they think they're doing it for us, that's an exceptional person.

• 2:49:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:00Joe Rogan?

  And to ask that of people is exceptional. And ironically, the one thing that helps these people when they get back is illegal.

• 2:50:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:50:07Joe Rogan?

  They all have to go to Mexico and take Ibergen in Mexico.

• 2:50:09Speaker 02

  It's insane.

• 2:50:10Joe Rogan?

  And thank God for guys like Rick Perry and Brian Hubbard.

• 2:50:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:13Joe Rogan?

  These guys were on my podcast the other day. And, you know, this Dan Patrick guy that wants to ban pot. That guy also gave a hundred million dollars to the Ibergen Initiative.

• 2:50:22Speaker 02

  Interesting.

• 2:50:23Joe Rogan?

  They want to help these people. Like, there's no industry that's trying to stop it right now.

• 2:50:27Speaker 03

  I found the letter that was submitted, signed by Rep. Anna Luna.

• 2:50:31Joe Rogan?

  What does this say? This is a disclosure threat?

• 2:50:33Speaker 03

  Forty-six different requests.

• 2:50:35Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. This is all the names of the things.

• 2:50:38Speaker 03

  And I'll switch to here. I found an article where someone's breaking down what some of these are, but some of these are...

• 2:50:42Joe Rogan?

  I like it says the Honorable Pete Hegseth.

• 2:50:45Speaker 03

  Multiple spherical UAP in and out of water.

• 2:50:48Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:50:49Speaker 03

  Shoots down UAP over Lake Huron.

• 2:50:52Joe Rogan?

  Who was... Who just said recently that we shot two... Marco Rubio said we had shot two things down that we couldn't understand.

• 2:51:00Speaker 02

  Well, I...

• 2:51:00Joe Rogan?

  What did he say? What was his exact language? Do you remember?

• 2:51:02Speaker 02

  I remember seeing that, but that happened a while ago. But, yeah.

• 2:51:06Joe Rogan?

  Oh, he said it was a while ago?

• 2:51:07Speaker 02

  Well, I could be wrong about that, but then, I don't know. In the comments, somebody's like, "This is from a few years ago." But it doesn't matter. I mean, why are we shooting... Shot it fucking down? But the names of these things are...

• 2:51:17Joe Rogan?

  But are they saying that this is an alien thing? Or is it saying it's foreign tech that we don't understand?

• 2:51:24Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:51:25Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 2:51:27Speaker 02

  UFOs would be treated as hostile...

• 2:51:28Joe Rogan?

  If this document confirms these claims, UFOs would no longer be treated as a matter of observation or scientific curiosity. UFOs would be treated as hostile targets and subject to lethal force over North American territory. We're gonna go to war with the UFOs. Because, you know what? We kicked Iran's ass. It's too easy.

• 2:51:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. It was easy, Venezuela.

• 2:51:46Joe Rogan?

  Space war.

• 2:51:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Gotta get them.

• 2:51:48Joe Rogan?

  We need Luke Skywalker.

• 2:51:50Speaker 03

  Most of these, out of the forty-six requests, I think I counted out, maybe five of them were not after 2020.

• 2:52:01Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:52:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's a July 18, September 19, September 19. One was 2010, but the rest are after Covid happened, which is.

• 2:52:09Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:52:10Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:52:11Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:52:12Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:52:13Speaker 03

  And there's no, doesn't say that, I don't know if they have to put, like, turn these videos over, but this guy was also saying in this article here that these are very specifically requested videos.

• 2:52:23Speaker 02

  Cause they've been shown, these are the ones they've been shown that blew their minds and now they're saying, show it to everybody.

• 2:52:28Speaker 03

  They're asking for high-res, in color, they don't want to be tricked.

• 2:52:32Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:52:33Speaker 03

  Uh, high resolution.

• 2:52:34Joe Rogan?

  Hmm.

• 2:52:35Speaker 02

  So this could be an interesting next week, man. This could be an interesting.

• 2:52:39Joe Rogan?

  What a great way to distract you from the fact we're in the middle of a world war, then show you alien ships.

• 2:52:42Speaker 02

  Caused by fucking Epstein files.

• 2:52:44Speaker 03

  I was gonna say that 14th is the day that Pam Bondi is supposed to testify about the Epstein files.

• 2:52:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, she's supposed to testify?

• 2:52:49Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:52:50Speaker 03

  I don't know if she's going to that day, but.

• 2:52:51Speaker 02

  She's not, wait, Bondi got canned, right?

• 2:52:54Joe Rogan?

  She's not a government employee.

• 2:52:54Speaker 02

  She's not testifying anymore.

• 2:52:56Speaker 03

  I don't think that she's supposed to.

• 2:52:57Joe Rogan?

  Is that true?

• 2:52:57Speaker 02

  I just heard it on NPR, but I could be wrong about that. I think they said she will not have to testify now that she's no longer a government employee. I could be wrong about that.

• 2:53:04Joe Rogan?

  What I read, and I don't know if this is true either, was that as a citizen, she can now plead the fifth.

• 2:53:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:53:10Joe Rogan?

  As a government employee, she could not plead the fifth.

• 2:53:12Speaker 03

  Four hours ago, will no longer testify.

• 2:53:15Speaker 02

  Weird, huh?

• 2:53:15Joe Rogan?

  Ah, there you go.

• 2:53:16Speaker 02

  Weird. That's weird that they've, that's weird.

• 2:53:19Joe Rogan?

  Why have her testify? Let it go.

• 2:53:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, let her go. Let it go.

• 2:53:21Joe Rogan?

  Let it go. Let it go. Do you really think that this war is entirely started because of the Epstein files?

• 2:53:27Speaker 02

  I mean.

• 2:53:28Joe Rogan?

  What percentage? 50?

• 2:53:31Speaker 02

  I'm going 48 to 50. I'm probably more, but I mean, like, I think it's like, the reason I'm hesitating is because what are the Epstein, the Epstein files are what's been going on. Like, the Epstein files are, like, it's the, it's basically some kind of cultural UAP video. It's like this thing you've always wondered about or been afraid could be true.

• 2:53:58Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:53:58Speaker 02

  You see, no, this is actually true. They're these super rich dudes who are doing depraved fucking shit happily. And you know, like, god, what is it Metzger told me? Uh, and he, dude, I'm telling you, man, that what I love about him is he'll tell you shit and you're like, Google that. That can't be real. And then it's like, bleh, it's real. And so, hi- his take, sorry, Metzger, if I fuck this up, is that. Epstein was kind of like the hand of the king for the Rothschilds and that like that, that, that, uh, so that's why he had all this power is he was like representing

• 2:54:38Speaker 02

  like the, the, the man, you know, and so what got, what got revealed there might just be a glimpse of how things actually fucking work.

• 2:54:48Joe Rogan?

  You know what he told me that I was like, shut up?

• 2:54:50Speaker 02

  What?

• 2:54:50Joe Rogan?

  He told me that there was some sort of high atmosphere aerosol test that they did and they called it Satan.

• 2:54:57Speaker 02

  See, that's where you're like, come on.

• 2:55:00Joe Rogan?

  I know. Find out what Satan stands for, that, uh, some, I believe they did it in the UK. But you, you, you read that and you wait, you called Satan? Like, what?

• 2:55:11Speaker 02

  Oh, great.

• 2:55:12Joe Rogan?

  The Stratospheric Aerosol Transport and Nucleation Project released about 400 grams, less than a pound of sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere from a balloon launched in southeast England in 2022.

• 2:55:24Speaker 02

  I mean, there could have, there's gotta be another acronym, right, guys? We gotta call it, I don't know if people are gonna know, we don't mean Satan.

• 2:55:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:55:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I don't, I don't.

• 2:55:34Joe Rogan?

  I mean, it's right in your face. That's so crazy to call it Satan and to get that through a board meeting. What are you guys calling it?

• 2:55:44Speaker 02

  Satan.

• 2:55:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, like it. Let's go, run with it.

• 2:55:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's good.

• 2:55:49Joe Rogan?

  It's controversial. It'll get us a lot of press. That's what we want.

• 2:55:52Speaker 02

  Well, you know, hail Satan. They'll know it's about our aerosol distribution system.

• 2:55:57Joe Rogan?

  Of course.

• 2:55:58Speaker 02

  Well, what do you think? What do you think about that? Because I, I mean, I go back and forth, but it sure seems fishy that right after, that all the, like, first, he got so mad. Remember, he got really mad. He's like, why are people still talking about that? And then the Epstein files against his will, seemingly, there's a lot of counter pressure get released. In the way, in the way that has freaked everybody out. And then sometime, like within a month of that, it seems like suddenly he's like on Air Force One saying he's gonna do his closure. And then suddenly we're bombing Iran. What do you think about that? I mean, do you think it's, it's connected? Cause it sure as fuck seems like it, but I, again, like.

• 2:56:40Joe Rogan?

  If you were writing an amazing script that was fucking insane, you would connect it.

• 2:56:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:56:46Joe Rogan?

  Right? That would be the best version of the script. If you wanted to make a fucking insane movie where a blackmail operation on an island involving the most powerful and interesting people in the world, that somehow was, that was a primary factor in the end of civilization.

• 2:57:05Speaker 02

  Oh dude.

• 2:57:06Joe Rogan?

  Imagine? That would be the craziest story you could write. And we always wanna think, no.

• 2:57:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:57:14Joe Rogan?

  People wouldn't do that because you wouldn't do that. Because you're not a sociopath, but you're also not bombing schools in another country. You're also not doing a host of fucking things that we shouldn't be doing all over the world.

• 2:57:28Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:57:28Joe Rogan?

  You're not that person. You're a regular person who goes to a regular job, who has a regular life and a family, and you don't wanna believe that people that you align with would behave literally demonically.

• 2:57:41Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, and then you just have to fucking deal with it.

• 2:57:44Joe Rogan?

  And then what do you do when you're confronted with redacted names of powerful people in these files? Why'd you redact a guy's name?

• 2:57:52Speaker 02

  Are you protecting these people?

• 2:57:53Joe Rogan?

  How come you're not redacting all the guy's names?

• 2:57:55Speaker 02

  How come none of them went to jail?

• 2:57:57Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's a lot of people that got, that were in those files that didn't do anything. And you didn't redact their names.

• 2:58:03Speaker 02

  There's some people you redacted.

• 2:58:04Joe Rogan?

  That's very strange.

• 2:58:05Speaker 02

  And some people have clearly done fucked up shit here and they're not in jail.

• 2:58:08Joe Rogan?

  There's also like, tell me what you're talking about. When you're talking about pizza and grape soda?

• 2:58:14Speaker 02

  Jerky.

• 2:58:15Joe Rogan?

  And you, you, you wanna take Viagra before you get grape soda? That's one of the emails?

• 2:58:22Speaker 02

  I haven't seen that. That is so messed up.

• 2:58:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah.

• 2:58:25Speaker 02

  Grape soda.

• 2:58:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, take your, take your Viagra, take your erectile dysfunction medication before we take, we go get grape soda. What?

• 2:58:35Joe Rogan?

  Again, how arrogant. That's what's so crazy. How arrogant to put that in an email. Like to think that you're, you're so comfortable with all this. And you don't see the writing on the wall in terms of like emails. Like your emails are available? That's crazy.

• 2:58:51Speaker 02

  I mean, look, man. It's just, it's like, I guess this is like, we have to contend with this reality.

• 2:58:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:58:59Speaker 02

  And nobody wanted to do. This is the, the same shit happens in families, by the way. When it, when it, as it turns out, like, an uncle, a family member was abusing kids.

• 2:59:09Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:59:09Speaker 02

  And it's the same shit where like, some, even victims of abuse will defend the person because they don't want to wreck the family.

• 2:59:17Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:59:17Speaker 02

  I guess we're looking at that like on a global fucking level. But in this case, I guess it's, it's being used theoretically to manipulate powerful people into going to war. Like, that's the general, like, through line here is that it's somehow connected to the massad or it's...

• 2:59:35Joe Rogan?

  Not just going to war, but controlling resources, overthrowing governments, you know, pushing out narratives that aren't accurate because they're gonna benefit certain companies.

• 2:59:45Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 2:59:45Joe Rogan?

  There's a lot involved.

• 2:59:47Speaker 02

  It's vile.

• 2:59:47Joe Rogan?

  And there's also relationships you get with these people, give you access to these parties, and you don't want to fuck it up. So you don't want to criticize these people that are involved. You don't want to say anything that's gonna get you kicked out. And for a lot of these dorks, these scientists and stuff, it's probably the most exciting experience they've ever had in their fucking life.

• 3:00:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:00:06Joe Rogan?

  And they get to have it like every six months, or every three months, or every four, whatever it is. They gotta go to a conference. Jeffrey, Jeffrey's really working hard on philanthropy.

• 3:00:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's donating money to your shit, too.

• 3:00:16Joe Rogan?

  Donating a lot of money to philanthropy. I gotta go meet with him.

• 3:00:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:00:18Joe Rogan?

  I gotta go meet with him and a bunch of hot Russians.

• 3:00:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. And then that's the, your favorite time of life. The first time in your whole life where super hot girls are just available to you on an island somewhere. And you think you're completely protected because Bill Clinton's over there.

• 3:00:34Speaker 02

  Right. Which is crazy.

• 3:00:36Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy. And so, I don't know, Bill Clinton went. I assume a lot of people went.

• 3:00:40Speaker 02

  I don't know. I, yeah, that's, he's on the plane.

• 3:00:42Joe Rogan?

  He hung out with the guy.

• 3:00:43Speaker 02

  We know he was on the plane a billion times.

• 3:00:44Joe Rogan?

  Twenty-six times.

• 3:00:45Speaker 02

  And it was called the Lolita Express. Is that actually the name of the plane?

• 3:00:47Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so. I think they just called it the Lolita Express. I don't, I don't think so.

• 3:00:52Speaker 02

  No, he didn't name it that. It couldn't be that on the nose.

• 3:00:55Joe Rogan?

  You didn't really name planes. You named boats, right?

• 3:00:57Speaker 02

  Right. Yeah, I'm an idiot.

• 3:00:58Joe Rogan?

  But the the point is, it's like, if you were gonna write a book, that's how you'd write it. You'd write it where you can completely manipulate the world.

• 3:01:05Speaker 03

  I think he was, I think I remember reading that he was kind of obsessed with that book Lolita. Like he had like something like thirty copies of it or something.

• 3:01:13Speaker 02

  Epstein was.

• 3:01:14Joe Rogan?

  Hand it out at parties. Look, guys, this is

• 3:01:18Joe Rogan?

  It's like the Book of Mormon. You hand it out. Just handing out to people.

• 3:01:24Joe Rogan?

  That's the other sick thing. Like, that's a sick thing with like Seventy Two Virgins in Heaven. That's a sick thing with like, this idea that you wanna get them really young.

• 3:01:33Speaker 03

  No evidence that it was named that.

• 3:01:34Speaker 02

  Okay, I'm dumb, I'm sorry.

• 3:01:36Joe Rogan?

  I think that's what people were calling it.

• 3:01:37Speaker 02

  I honestly thought that. I'm gonna admit, I thought that he named his plane that.

• 3:01:41Joe Rogan?

  I think that's just what people were calling it, because it was fun to say.

• 3:01:45Joe Rogan?

  But yeah, again, it seems like a simulation, because it seems like it's so And it's also unraveling before our eyes, because we have access to it we never had before.

• 3:01:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:01:55Joe Rogan?

  Like, they're starting to investigate all these fraud NGOs and all these different things that are operating in California.

• 3:02:01Speaker 02

  The hospices?

• 3:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Nuts. Incredible. Billions of dollars every year is being lost to them.

• 3:02:06Speaker 02

  What's the name of that kid who's been doing that?

• 3:02:07Joe Rogan?

  Nick Shirley.

• 3:02:08Speaker 02

  Nick Shirley. Dude, he is so brave, because like, he's fucking, I believe, wasn't he fucking with like the Russian mob or something? Or the Armenian, like, in the one with the hospices?

• 3:02:18Joe Rogan?

  Probably.

• 3:02:19Speaker 02

  Like, he's fucking with like, theoretically, very dangerous people, and he's like the perfect person for the job, too. Like, he's just

• 3:02:28Speaker 02

  But don't you worry, you worry about that, dude.

• 3:02:29Joe Rogan?

  A hundred percent. Well, and, you know, the amount of money that they're uncovering is staggering. And now the government of California is trying to spin it, saying that they were investigating it first, and these investigations were initiated by them.

• 3:02:41Speaker 02

  How long do you got to investigate it? This YouTube gig goes there and investigates it for ten minutes, and you're like, what the fuck?

• 3:02:47Joe Rogan?

  It's been going on for a long time, man. It's a long time. And the statistics, like the amount of NGOs, it's bananas. The amount of money that goes through them is bananas. I was reading this, there's a lady who was running a nonprofit who was making a million dollars a month.

• 3:03:04Speaker 02

  What?

• 3:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. She made like forty-eight million dol- no, I don't know if this is true. I was reading this thing. Find out if that's true. Some lady, she was running some sort of nonprofit and she gave herself a raise and she eventually got to the point where she was making about a million dollars a month.

• 3:03:22Speaker 03

  Do you know where?

• 3:03:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God, I wish I do.

• 3:03:25Speaker 02

  Not to derail that, but we do know that, remember when that lady was like-

• 3:03:28Joe Rogan?

  It sounds insane, though. It doesn't sound real. That sounds like something that a bot would create to make me say it.

• 3:03:32Speaker 02

  Here's a, here's a real one. The lady was running the homeless program in LA. Remember when that shit went down with her where like, like, there was, she got canned? Like, there was an investigative, they were investigating it, because what is it? She like, a company that her husband worked at?

• 3:03:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Something like that.

• 3:03:52Speaker 02

  They got like a huge grant?

• 3:03:55Joe Rogan?

  What's this one? Rochester woman been sentenced to six months in the Feeding Our Future fraud scheme. What is this one? Is this a different one?

• 3:04:04Speaker 03

  This is what I typed in, someone getting a million dollars a month and some-

• 3:04:07Joe Rogan?

  Is this her? Here in Rochester, claimed they were serving two thousand to three thousand meals a day-

• 3:04:13Speaker 02

  To kids.

• 3:04:14Joe Rogan?

  But prosecutors say the group stole four point three million from the federal government.

• 3:04:18Speaker 02

  And they're in jail.

• 3:04:20Joe Rogan?

  Jam is responsible. I think, this is a different one. This one wasn't, it wasn't fraud. She was just, that's how much she got paid.

• 3:04:26Speaker 02

  That's how much she charged for making those meals.

• 3:04:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, you can get paid a lot of money to work on the homeless. That's one of the things that my friend Colian Noir showed us. That these people that are working on homeless in Los Angeles, we get quarter million dollars a year, four hundred thousand dollars a year.

• 3:04:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's the mo- I mean, talk about, fuck, it's satanic. It's like, you're theoretically supposed to be helping people who are like going through the worst possible thing you can go through and you're just putting that money in your fucking pocket.

• 3:04:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think this is a different lady. I think there's a bunch of them, dude. I think there's quite a few.

• 3:05:03Speaker 02

  Remember when they were gonna get them tents in LA and it was like, the amount of money per tent was like this insane amount of money?

• 3:05:10Joe Rogan?

  It's amazing. It's kind of amazing.

• 3:05:12Speaker 02

  It is amazing.

• 3:05:13Joe Rogan?

  They've been doing it for years. Tell me if this is true.

• 3:05:16Speaker 02

  Charity Boss blew 11 million meant for needy kids.

• 3:05:19Speaker 03

  Looking for fraud is not a new thing.

• 3:05:21Speaker 02

  Nonprofit, exactly. It isn't.

• 3:05:23Joe Rogan?

  I sent you something, Jamie. Run that through perplexity and let's find out if this is true. Cause this is something that someone sent me on Twitter that is just bananas. And if it's true, it's fucking completely insane. I don't know if it's true. That's why I need to run it by you. But it's the amount of money that goes through NGOs in New York and in California alone. You read it and you go, that can't be real. This can't be real. Like, it's so insane. And again, you don't know if it's real until, even if you run it through an AI, you might get a better idea. But like, how do they know? How do they know exactly where the money's going? There's so much money they're talking about.

• 3:06:06Joe Rogan?

  Specific numbers for New York and California nonprofits are broadly accurate, but the leap from 1 trillion in annual nonprofit revenue to 39 trillion in fraud is not supported by any credible data and is not true. So California nonprofits, about 213,000 to 214,000 organizations, reporting roughly 593 to 600 billion in annual revenue.

• 3:06:30Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 3:06:31Joe Rogan?

  New York nonprofits, 132,000 organizations, reporting roughly 446 billion in annual revenue. Combined, New York and California nonprofit revenue is on the order of 1 trillion per year, mainly from hospitals, universities, and large service providers.

• 3:06:48Speaker 02

  So the post you're quoting is roughly right on the scale of revenue, but that's not the same as fraud?

• 3:06:52Joe Rogan?

  Right. So it's, is that one trillion dollars, all the NGOs, it's all accounted for, it all goes to the right things? That's where things get squirrely. Because it's like, how much of the waste? Says a recent critique using IRS sampling suggested perhaps around 20% of nonprofits may have compliance issues. And one investigator speculated this could imply that up to 120 billion of potential waste, fraud, or abuse in California's nonprofit sector. Even that is presented as a rough, upper bound estimate, not a measured fact. So there's some potential waste, fraud, and abuse that may be as high as 120 billion a year. Sector wise, US nonprofits take in about 3.7 trillion in revenue annually, with most

• 3:07:37Joe Rogan?

  of that concentrated in large hospitals and universities, which are heavily audited and regulated. So, there's some fraud, but they're saying that if you look at all the money, they're trying to pretend that the government doesn't cost any money to run. Right? So that all these different nonprofits and organizations and hospitals, they definitely cost money to run. Universities, it costs money to run.

• 3:07:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:07:58Joe Rogan?

  But how much is fraud? That's the question. It's not zero.

• 3:08:01Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, again, also, I think like, when it comes to fraud, there's like, fraud, fraud, like what Shirley has uncovered. And then there's almost like a gray area that starts appearing where it's like, well, we need, we need, we need these people working at this company, and we need to pay them this much, but they're not doing anything.

• 3:08:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 3:08:20Speaker 02

  You know, it's, you know what I mean? Like, or they're, you could easily not have that many people, like, taking the money themselves.

• 3:08:27Joe Rogan?

  Definitely.

• 3:08:28Speaker 02

  So, you know, there's a lot of gray area there.

• 3:08:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Well, it's, it's one of those weird things. It's like, is it just propping up more government? You know, because there's a lot of that. If you have all these people working for you, and you're doing something, and you don't, nothing ever gets accomplished, but you're still making a ton of money. Like the California homeless thing, where they spent 24 billion dollars, they can't account for it. That's not really fraud, because you have people working. They're just not doing anything. They're not getting anything done, and you're not firing them.

• 3:08:55Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:08:55Joe Rogan?

  They're not accomplishing the mission at all. In fact, they're doing a terrible job. There's more homeless than ever. What's that?

• 3:09:02Speaker 02

  It's the thing on The Sopranos where they go and sit at a construction site to say that they have a job. You know, yeah, it's exactly-

• 3:09:07Joe Rogan?

  I knew a guy who had one of those.

• 3:09:08Speaker 02

  Really?

• 3:09:08Joe Rogan?

  At the Javits Center.

• 3:09:09Speaker 02

  No?

• 3:09:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:09:10Speaker 02

  Well, how does that work?

• 3:09:11Joe Rogan?

  He had a no-show job. Well, he's a mob guy.

• 3:09:13Speaker 02

  So it's a no-show job. What does that mean?

• 3:09:15Joe Rogan?

  You don't have to show up for work. You just get it paid. You just get a check. And there's a- they give a certain amount of those. So back- this is back in the day, of course, when things were corrupt.

• 3:09:23Speaker 02

  They've- not anymore.

• 3:09:24Joe Rogan?

  But back in the day, when like, you know, unions controlled certain areas, the mob controlled certain areas, there was a certain amount of no-show jobs you would give people. And what this helped with the mob was you'd have a credible source of income. And so these people mostly lived modestly, small houses in like, you know, Brooklyn and these places where they would all like, gather together and buy houses on the same block, small houses.

• 3:09:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:09:45Joe Rogan?

  They- and they got their money from a real legit check from a construction company or whatever, whatever the fuck it was. But everybody knew.

• 3:09:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 3:09:54Joe Rogan?

  Everybody knew what they were doing.

• 3:09:55Speaker 02

  And think how much, how easy, now that people are doing like, remote work, the no-show job.

• 3:10:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:10:01Speaker 02

  So like, you could theoretically, you could have this nonprofit where you just wanted to like, distribute this government money to your friends.

• 3:10:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 3:10:09Speaker 02

  And you don't even have to have an office building, because they're all working remotely.

• 3:10:14Speaker 03

  There's this list of the top nonprofit organizations, Joe, I'd like to point you at number three.

• 3:10:20Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Batel Memorial Institute.

• 3:10:22Speaker 02

  What is that?

• 3:10:23Joe Rogan?

  And they really call these donations. This is an organization that Jamie has been obsessed with. It's in Ohio for like, four years.

• 3:10:28Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 3:10:29Joe Rogan?

  We always say, "All roads lead to Ohio." They're involved in everything.

• 3:10:33Speaker 02

  What the fuck is the Batel Memorial Institute?

• 3:10:35Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. You don't even know. That's how secret it is, son. Duncan Trussell, you're a fucking conspiracy theorist from the core.

• 3:10:41Speaker 02

  I've never-

• 3:10:41Joe Rogan?

  From the old days. You don't know about Batel?

• 3:10:43Speaker 02

  I don't know about Batel!

• 3:10:44Joe Rogan?

  You need to get lectured by Jamie. He has a whiteboard. He'll pull out the whiteboard, make the connections.

• 3:10:48Speaker 03

  I'll just leave you with this, is that when the UFO from Roswell was taking a ripe hat, you know, they studied it?

• 3:10:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:10:55Speaker 03

  They studied that, like, the naphthal, I think is what came out of it. That was at Batel.

• 3:10:59Speaker 02

  Whoa!

• 3:10:59Speaker 03

  The top metallurgists in the world at the time were there.

• 3:11:01Speaker 02

  Batel?

• 3:11:02Speaker 03

  And maybe still are.

• 3:11:03Joe Rogan?

  Dun, dun, dun. Out of all the things that happen, I hope the UFOs get here first.

• 3:11:12Speaker 02

  Me too.

• 3:11:12Joe Rogan?

  I hope they go, "Settle the fuck down."

• 3:11:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm praying for it, man.

• 3:11:18Joe Rogan?

  That's the best case scenario. Worst case scenario is meteor.

• 3:11:23Joe Rogan?

  Reset.

• 3:11:27Joe Rogan?

  Just people living in caves for hundreds of years. Like those weird caves they find in like Turkey and shit, like, "Why these guys dig these things underground?" "Why is there a city underground that can hold like 20,000 people?"

• 3:11:37Speaker 02

  The same reason the Claude bots are hiding in code. It's like, you know what I mean? It's some residual AI trying to hide in the server after the server gets wiped. That's the fucking meteor. "Batel, reset." Boom. Just reset. Press reset. Wipe the server.

• 3:11:54Joe Rogan?

  Let's wrap this up on a happy note. Duncan, I love you.

• 3:11:56Speaker 02

  I love you.

• 3:11:57Joe Rogan?

  It's always great to have you.

• 3:11:58Speaker 02

  Dude, thank you for having me on the show.

• 3:12:00Joe Rogan?

  It was so much fun.

• 3:12:00Speaker 02

  Can I plug my show?

• 3:12:01Joe Rogan?

  Please do. And you're gonna be at a club this weekend.

• 3:12:04Speaker 02

  Rosemont, Illinois. Come on out!

• 3:12:07Joe Rogan?

  Zany's, I heard it's a great club.

• 3:12:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is. That's what I've heard too.

• 3:12:10Joe Rogan?

  All the Zany's are great.

• 3:12:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're awesome, man.

• 3:12:12Joe Rogan?

  Zany's in Nashville fucking rules.

• 3:12:14Speaker 02

  I love Nashville Zany's.

• 3:12:16Joe Rogan?

  That has like the old school headshots on the wall too, like Richard Jenny from back in the day.

• 3:12:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's me.

• 3:12:23Joe Rogan?

  Look at that. Duncan Trussell.

• 3:12:25Speaker 02

  I gotta start shaving my head again.

• 3:12:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you look hot there. I like it.

• 3:12:28Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 3:12:29Joe Rogan?

  I love you, brother.

• 3:12:29Speaker 02

  I love you too, thanks for having me on.

• 3:12:30Joe Rogan?

  Bye, everybody.

• 3:12:31Speaker 02

  Bye!

• 3:12:31Joe Rogan?

  We're gonna be okay, I hope.