#300 - Energy Source Under Göbekli Tepe: Archeologists Share New Discovery | Hugh Newman

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Hugh Newman is an author, documentarian, world explorer, megalith researcher, and expedition leader. Hugh publishes regular films on the @MegalithomaniaUK Youtube Channel. SPONSORS https://ridge.com/dannyjones - Upgrade your wallet today & get 10% off. https://irestore.com - Use code DANNY for a huge discount on the iRestore Elite. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS Hugh's YouTube channel: @MegalithomaniaUK https://www.megalithomania.co.uk FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Giant skeletons 08:04 - Karahan Tepe 25:05 - Karahan Tepe stone plates 35:53 - Ancient geometric megaliths 52:56 - Graham Hancock debate 1:16:45 - Society for American Archeology 1:24:31 - Magnetic anomaly found in Gobekli Tepe 1:34:47 - Kortik Tepe wine and drugs 1:43:55 - Future excavations Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:06Speaker 00

  We have probably sixty accounts of academic journals. Reported by archaeologists, reported by universities, even presented and displayed at universities. Even in the Smithsonian's own annual reports, there's seventeen accounts of seven to eight foot tall skeletons being found.

• 0:25Danny Jones?

  Seven to eight foot though, that's not like.

• 0:28Speaker 00

  That's not huge.

• 0:28Danny Jones?

  That that could be that that could be easily explainable with some of like the the gigantism things that people have to do. There's people in the NBA who are seven, eight foot tall.

• 0:37Speaker 00

  That's true. That's true. But none of them had gigantism. That's the thing. None of them. They're all perfectly formed. And it was just normal, that height. That was the normal height.

• 0:46Danny Jones?

  Praveen Mohan, when he was on the podcast, he was showing us articles that were from the New York Times from the like early nineteen hundreds, maybe late eighteen hundreds of, I think it was like fifteen to eighteen foot giants.

• 1:00Speaker 00

  You do get a few reports like that. Yeah. Yeah, we've got a few in our accounts.

• 1:05Danny Jones?

  In the New York Times and of all places.

• 1:07Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah. I mean, our book is like, you know, there's so many accounts in proper newspapers. You know, not just some fly by night publications like, you know, Washington Times, all that kind of thing. Washington Post and all that. Even in Britain as well, we have the same thing. It's all over the world, really. But there's little evidence. It's all vanished.

• 1:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:27Speaker 00

  You know, very little, especially here, especially with Nagprah. So you've got nothing left to really kind of prove a point.

• 1:34Danny Jones?

  So maybe this is a good opportunity to give your give your, explain to people what your background is and how you got into all this stuff.

• 1:41Speaker 00

  Okay, cool.

• 1:41Danny Jones?

  Who are you?

• 1:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Who am I?

• 1:43Danny Jones?

  Who the hell are you? Hugh Newman?

• 1:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, my name's Hugh Newman. I'm a researcher, author, explorer from England. Live right near Stonehenge in Wiltshire, which is a very interesting, scary place to live in some cases.

• 1:58Danny Jones?

  Why is it scary?

• 1:58Speaker 00

  And well, we have, we live, it's very, we live next door to burial mound. Okay. You get them there as well, not just North America. We live next to seven burial mounds in fact. And we have weird activity, paranormal stuff going around our house. It's pretty freaky, yeah. But my my main area of research really is away from there. I mean, I've been focused on Britain for a long time. But actually, I'm fascinated by what's going on in southeast Turkey. That's where it's all happening. I mean, you've got Karahen Tepe, you've got Guebecli Tepe, Sayburt, you've got like. Dozens of sites now have been reported over there that go back nearly twelve thousand years. That's where I'm focused on now. That's my kind of, I got, I got my little book out. I've got a bigger book coming out with my partner, J J Ainsworth.

• 2:39Danny Jones?

  This is your little book?

• 2:39Speaker 00

  That's the little book, yeah.

• 2:41Danny Jones?

  Gorgeous little book.

• 2:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 2:42Danny Jones?

  Look at that.

• 2:43Speaker 00

  Gobekli Tepe and Karahantepi.

• 2:45Danny Jones?

  It's even got the uh, the foil to the letter, so it's like it's holographic.

• 2:49Speaker 00

  Yes, very pretty.

• 2:50Danny Jones?

  Very pretty. It's adorable.

• 2:51Speaker 00

  Adorable. Adorable little wooden book. Yes, one of a series that the publisher puts out, so uh. But yeah, but we're working on a bigger one, a bigger book with my partner, J J Ainsworth, going deeper into the whole story of what is known now as the Tastepala culture, which means stone hills in kind of, you know, translated from Turkish. But actually, it's more like sacred stone hills, like the sacred burial, you know, sacred areas where these structures and um, you know, complexes were being built um, over in southeast Turkey, all around, all around the city of Şanlırfa. That's pretty much where it's all happening.

• 3:29Danny Jones?

  Have you actually been to Gobekli Tepe?

• 3:31Speaker 00

  I've been many times, yeah. I've been going for like ten or eleven years. Uh, yeah, I've been there, there, yeah, I mean, I've, it's been, it's been known since about two thousand, but it was really started to be excavated in the mid nineteen nineties, but it was actually kind of partly discovered in nineteen sixty-three. You know, by some American archaeologists, they didn't recognize for what it was, so they didn't really dig there.

• 3:53Danny Jones?

  So what, what do you think it was?

• 3:56Speaker 00

  Gobekli Tepe um, itself is a major megalithic complex. I mean, I, I believe that it was like a, you know, a whole kind of change in consciousness was taking place at the end of the last ice age. This was within two hundred years of the Young Gadrius kind of ending. So the weather had improved. It feels like groups coming in from the south and the Tufians, you've got groups coming in from the north and coming in through Anatolia, all kind of met and kind of like decided, we, things, things had changed now, we're gonna, we're gonna monumentalize what we know and put it into stone and like, and they did it in a profound, innovative, innovative manner. It was unbelievable because this is like.

• 4:41Speaker 00

  You look at the stone circles in Britain, you know, they're the kind of rough human stones mostly just placed in circles or or slightly different geometries. Here they were doing that to another level. They were carving every stone precisely, beautifully with three D reliefs on them with abstract symbols, abstract human forms, anthropomorphic.

• 5:00Danny Jones?

  They have fingers on them.

• 5:01Speaker 00

  Fingers, yeah, belts.

• 5:02Danny Jones?

  Little bags.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  That's right, yeah, and strange V-necks with like almost like pendants as well. This is, I mean, it's just out there. I mean, it's like just that it seems like it must have come from somewhere, this remarkable kind of culture. Just, I call, I call it like the first, world's first super civilization because there's actually about, they now think. Although they say there's officially twelve sites, which include Karahan, Tepe, Seberch and all these others. They're now saying there could be thirty eight sites, but then another one of the archaeologists said there could be nearly a hundred going in this whole area across southeast.

• 5:35Danny Jones?

  Based on what? What? What makes them think there could be a hundred?

• 5:38Speaker 00

  Well, they, they keep finding all these, all these surface artifacts, you know, because most of these sites appear to be buried at the.

• 5:45Danny Jones?

  Can't they use LiDAR?

• 5:46Speaker 00

  They have, I think they have done, yeah, I think they have done, but it's mainly kind of rocky terrain. So I think it's harder to get LiDAR penetrating. I think you can get it through trees and see what's on the surface.

• 5:56Danny Jones?

  But not.

• 5:56Speaker 00

  Not so much dirt, just dirt or rock is a bit troublesome, I think. I think they've done GPR of a lot of places now, though. So they're gonna get, that's what they.

• 6:04Danny Jones?

  Ground penetrating radar?

• 6:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, so they kind of work out what's going on beneath that to see if it's worth investigating.

• 6:10Danny Jones?

  Now, what is the modern consensus of when it was constructed, the Gobekli Tepe T-pillars?

• 6:16Speaker 00

  Gobekli Tepe officially dates to nine thousand six hundred B.C. or eleven thousand six hundred years ago. That's the earliest dates, although it stretches, you know, according to the.

• 6:26Danny Jones?

  That's the earliest.

• 6:27Speaker 00

  Earliest, but that's currently because only a small percentage has been actually uncovered so far. So there's actually, what, five, seven, maybe eight percent has been uncovered?

• 6:36Danny Jones?

  Right, because my understanding of it was that it was intentionally buried. To preserve it from some sort of cataclysm, meaning that it could have been constructed before some big cataclysm or some big flood, if the younger Dryas was really what people think it is.

• 6:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, the thing about it being deliberately buried, that's uh, that's being kind of challenged, actually, because that's what Klaus Schmidt, he was the the main archaeologist, the original head archaeologist there, along with um, uh, another guy as well, Helpman, he was called. Um, and he proposed that it was deliberately buried. And this is a tradition you find in that part of the, that part of the world where they bury sites at the end of their use. So if they used them for a thousand or two thousand years. But recent research done by the archaeologists there, they found that the enclosures that have been uncovered, or you know, excavated, there's been like some kind of slope slide, kind of where the debris has fallen down into over years and years and years, you know, stuff, midden and rubbish and other things build up. And some of it kind of filled in some of it like that.

• 7:36Speaker 00

  But then it's pretty much now believed that some of it was was then buried afterwards, because there's obvious repair work done. They've repaired it, put stuff back in place and like put, put it everything where it should be, even artifacts and statues and things like this. And then it's kind of covered over. And so I don't see how a slope slide would not just knock things out of place, you know. So it seems like there's a bit of both, bit of slope slide and a bit of burying. But Karahan Tepe, that was deliberately buried, they've proven that now.

• 8:04Danny Jones?

  Oh, they've proven it was delivered.

• 8:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's it.

• 8:06Danny Jones?

  Cause Karahan Tepe, the one that Ben Van Kirk was showing me where it looked like they performed lots of sacri- human sacrifices there.

• 8:14Speaker 00

  I doubt sacrifices, my god, really? Oh no, um, I don't know, I'm not sure.

• 8:19Danny Jones?

  He was showing me a place in Turkey, because he recently went to Turkey and he was saying, he was showing.

• 8:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:23Danny Jones?

  My audio sounds really weird. Do you know, do you hear that, Steve? Is it just me?

• 8:28Speaker 02

  It's just your sexy voice, man.

• 8:30Danny Jones?

  That's, it's just in my head, huh? All right.

• 8:32Speaker 00

  Well, here we've got Karahan Tepe, yeah, these are the.

• 8:34Danny Jones?

  This is Karahan Tepe, okay. He was showing me one site in Turkey. Maybe that one down below on the bo- yeah, right there.

• 8:41Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:41Danny Jones?

  That looked like there was a place where they would cut people's heads off and the blood would like flow through like a little.

• 8:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, you got a channel, actually, yeah.

• 8:49Danny Jones?

  A channel, yeah, yeah, for blood.

• 8:51Speaker 00

  Next to the one on the left there, next to what's called the pillar shrine or structure A B. Where you've got like, you know, these, it's carved out of bedrock that, by the way, completely carved out of bedrock. Yeah, and then, and apart from one, only one of them is a freestanding pillar, the rest, the rest of these phallic shaped pillars are carved from bedrock. But there's a channel leading into it. So some people have suggested it's either for water, it's for sacrifice. I mean, they found there's a site called Cheanu, which is near Diabakar, which is further north, it dates to around eight thousand four hundred B C. Where they think they've actually found human hemoglobin and animal blood, you know, particles on top of this slab, which looks like a sacrificial slab. So some, so some people are saying.

• 9:33Danny Jones?

  That's what Ben was showing me.

• 9:34Speaker 00

  It could be for that. Uh, some people are saying it's going on here as well, but there's no real evidence of exactly what they were doing. But you never know, it could have been some weird dark stuff they were up to for sure, but there's certainly, um, certainly something special going on, especially because it's so old. I mean, I mean, this is like six or seven thousand years before Stonehenge. You know, like same, it's old, it's that age difference with the pyramids as well. And yet the sophisticated.

• 10:01Danny Jones?

  Stonehenge was supposedly when?

• 10:04Speaker 00

  Early, earliest phase officially around two thousand five hundred to three thousand B C.

• 10:09Danny Jones?

  So around the same time as the pyramids, did the thing.

• 10:11Speaker 00

  Pretty much, yeah. I mean, there are some older elements in the area around Stonehenge, like Blikmead and the wooden post holes.

• 10:17Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 10:18Speaker 00

  They go back ten thousand years, but not, not megalithic construction. But yeah, this pillar shrine thing is really interesting. I mean, it's got, it's quite bizarre. It's got like a porthole stone carved out of the bedrock, almost like a hole going through to the main enclosure, which is a seventy five foot wide enclosure, like a stone circle, but it's more kind of elliptical shape. Uh, it's actually a very specific geometry. And actually, yeah, down there, the, uh, that image there, that's a, that's a pretty good one. Um, you got various ones. Not that one. Um, there's one of the Pillar Shrine. Um. Yeah, if you type in a, if you actually type in Carahantape winter solstice, um, that'll come up with our article we did.

• 11:00Speaker 00

  Um, and it shows some good images, but there's, yeah, you see on the, this is our stuff here. So we, we found this, uh, weird alignment on the winter solstice, myself and J J Ainsworth. That's the article. Yeah, the first one we did. And we accidentally turned up there. We got kind of a little bit of trouble. We had to go the next morning because officials were going to come in and throw us out, possibly arrest us and this, that and the other. And so we had to go the first thing in the morning on 20th December, 2021. And because if you go to the top of that page, you can see that this blade of light, kind of, or a bit further down, this blade of light kind of hit, was hitting the face, this head. You see this heads coming out of the side.

• 11:42Danny Jones?

  What is that?

• 11:42Speaker 00

  It's like carved out of the bedrock, this head with this serpentine neck with a V neck thing.

• 11:48Danny Jones?

  Where, where is it?

• 11:49Speaker 00

  It's just on the right there. If you go down a bit, you can see some other images.

• 11:52Danny Jones?

  What is that line going through this diagonally?

• 11:54Speaker 00

  That's, that's, that's where the winter solstice sunrise.

• 11:58Danny Jones?

  Oh, I see.

• 11:59Speaker 00

  Hits the head.

• 12:00Danny Jones?

  So you're just sort of illustrating like where it shines.

• 12:01Speaker 00

  Yeah. If you go down a bit, you can actually see, um, a couple more images, hopefully the one there, it should be. And, um, maybe it's in the video. Oh, that's where it goes through the main enclosure.

• 12:11Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 12:12Speaker 00

  Then go through that little hole. And this is perfectly winter solstice.

• 12:15Danny Jones?

  Weird.

• 12:16Speaker 00

  It's perfectly winter solstice and it hits this head and there's light, that's it there. And so the light moves around, it hits the head, then moves around the head for 45 minutes. So it's

• 12:23Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 12:24Speaker 00

  It's perfectly aligned to the winter solstice. It's pretty crazy. And, um, so that kind of blew our minds because that, yeah, proves then understanding of solar astronomy nearly 12,000 years ago, or at least 11,400 years ago, which is the age of, uh, Carahantape. And so that, and the fact you can go there now and you can see it on the winter solstice, it happens. You can watch the light move around the head. Like from here, this side of the head, all the way around here. And it's pretty epic. We've actually got, um, you know, time lapses of it and things like this. And so that proves there's a sophistication about these sites and there's astronomy related to these sites. Um. That's kind of what the head looks like after it's fully illuminated.

• 13:07Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 13:08Speaker 00

  But it's pretty, pretty weird. I mean, I mean, that's three times the size of a human head carved out of bedrock. It's got like a flat top, it's got an open mouth and the eyes, this was actually.

• 13:19Danny Jones?

  Like straights.

• 13:21Speaker 00

  Well, no, that that apparently, cause Graham Hancock and Neshmi Corral, who's the head archaeologist, went in the pillar shrine, were structure A B here.

• 13:28Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 13:29Speaker 00

  When they were filming the first series of Ancient Apocalypse.

• 13:31Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 13:31Speaker 00

  Look carefully at it and notice that the eyes were looking to the right, his right, towards the hold stone where the winter solstice comes in. Even though the head faces roughly.

• 13:41Danny Jones?

  Oh, really?

• 13:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, so you can't really see it clearly on here, but they said they went in there and actually saw that. So, yeah, so we've got like, we've got this winter solstice thing going on, which is bizarre, but then that suggests if they were doing that then. Then they must have known about it long before then. They must have developed it and built the site because. The head, the whole pillar shrine and the whole stone are bedrock, they're carved out of bedrock, so it's a. Permanent fixture, they're not stones that could be moved. So they must have been doing it for a long time before they even started building the site, that they sort of build up to it.

• 14:14Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 14:15Speaker 00

  So, yeah, I mean, it's pretty compelling. I mean, then you've got possible alignments like this at Gobekli Tepe and and as more gets excavated. There's gonna be a whole bunch more of these, these kind of things coming out of this part of the world. Um. So there's, yeah, it's a lot to consider when you're like looking at these sites.

• 14:30Danny Jones?

  What is that, that bedrock? How hard is bedrock?

• 14:33Speaker 00

  Well, this is, um, this is limestone.

• 14:36Danny Jones?

  It's limestone. Okay, gotcha.

• 14:37Speaker 00

  I mean, it's not, it's not super tough, but it's still, you gotta, you gotta work at it. It's not like easy, you know, that's for sure. Plus, Gobekli Tepe, they were carving out these beautiful eighteen foot tall T shaped pillars. And then moving them half a mile. Some of them weighing up to like twenty, twenty-five tons maybe. And but then they carved it so the lower section, the tall section. And then they have a top section which looks like it's separate, but it's not. It's the same stone.

• 15:08Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 15:08Speaker 00

  On top with a, with a no face on it. It's like a no face on it, but it's supposed to represent a head because you've got the arms coming down the side.

• 15:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 15:16Speaker 00

  Hands across the navel coming around the front.

• 15:18Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 15:19Speaker 00

  Belts around it with like fox pelts underneath it and things like this. So there's like the intricacy and the abstract nature of the artwork. Really shouldn't have been exist back then. I mean, it shouldn't have been. I mean, there is a buildup. There is, you can see Natufian sites down south in Syria and places like this. Um. Which show geometry, which show a bit of astronomy, which show stonework, but nothing like this. I mean, this just went bang when Gobekli Tepe was being built. And then this came pretty soon after.

• 15:55Danny Jones?

  Now, how far is Karahan Tepe from Gobekli Tepe?

• 15:58Speaker 00

  It's about twenty, twenty-five miles southeast from that area.

• 16:02Danny Jones?

  Oh, wow.

• 16:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, and you got like a kind of a three D scan of it. So my buddy did some drone stuff there. They made a three D.

• 16:10Danny Jones?

  Holy shit, that's incredible.

• 16:12Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, this, and this a lot more has been excavated since this. This was done in twenty twenty-one.

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• 17:53Speaker 00

  Yeah. And so this, this one at the front here, that's called, uh, structure AA. That's called what we call the pit shrine. You've got the path going up there and then behind that you've got the pillar shrine, structure A, B, then the big structure, the big kind of stone circle structure. Structure AD, but on the right hand side of that big structure where your cursus is now. That's carved out of bedrock. So some of the T shaped pillars and benches are carved out of the bedrock on the right hand side. And the kind of western side of it. And whereas the rest is, you know, got freestanding pillars carved and then placed there. So, so look at that. I mean, it's just unbelievable.

• 18:30Danny Jones?

  Have you seen, have you ever seen the Kailasa temple in India?

• 18:33Speaker 00

  I have, yeah. I've been up there once. Yeah.

• 18:34Danny Jones?

  That whole thing was carved out of bedrock as well. I think, I don't think it was limestone. I think it was even harder than that.

• 18:39Speaker 00

  It was, yes. That's insane, that place. That's like a, a wonder of the world, that place.

• 18:44Danny Jones?

  It is totally insane.

• 18:46Speaker 00

  Couldn't believe, yeah, I went there in February.

• 18:47Danny Jones?

  It's like a cathedral carved out of the side of a mountain.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  It's, and apparently it's like one, it's just, it's almost like they come in from the top. Had a clear design in their head and just gone down like this and somehow, I mean.

• 19:01Danny Jones?

  And like, how do they know they weren't going to encounter any sort of cavities or cracks or? You know, inconsistencies in the, in the stone material that was beneath them like.

• 19:13Danny Jones?

  And then like, yeah, the level of planning that had to be done to create that is insane. It's huge.

• 19:19Speaker 00

  I know.

• 19:19Danny Jones?

  It's massive. It's like five stories or something.

• 19:22Speaker 00

  But I said, I mean, the thing about the Calastra Temple, I mean, uh, that's one of about thirty or forty temples. And it's one site, you know, which is, which I didn't realize when I got there. I had a day there and it was not enough. And I spent my whole time there and maybe one other temple. I mean, I'm sure Praveen talked about this.

• 19:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 19:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, man.

• 19:40Danny Jones?

  Have you been there?

• 19:41Speaker 00

  I have been there.

• 19:41Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 19:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, and it really got me. I mean, I was like, whoa, this is like much bigger, much more intricate than I realized. Um.

• 19:49Danny Jones?

  When did they say that was built? When is the, uh, when is the like accepted date for that?

• 19:53Speaker 00

  For the Cala, I think it's only like about a thousand years ago or something or less.

• 19:57Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 19:57Speaker 00

  Officially, but Praveen doesn't think so. He thinks it's much older. I mean, but now with that, now they found sites like this, they found Carahantape.

• 20:06Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 20:06Speaker 00

  Everything is gonna be looked, should be looked at again, you know, there needs to be another look at the dating of the sites around the world because

• 20:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 20:14Speaker 00

  if they were doing this then, I mean, what the hell? I mean.

• 20:18Danny Jones?

  How do you think they carved all this? What kind of tools were they using?

• 20:20Speaker 00

  Well, officially, they were using like antilox, um, they were kind of using slightly harder stones like basalt.

• 20:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 20:27Speaker 00

  And for the fine stonework, they were using obsidian for like the precise detail.

• 20:33Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 20:33Speaker 00

  Things like this. Um, there's no, obviously no metal back then, although at Cheano and one other site, they found copper. But it was like, it was beaten copper. It wasn't like heated up copper. They weren't smelting or anything like this. But they, they have, but the oldest worked copper in the world was found at one of the sister sites to Carahantape. It's like Cheano.

• 20:56Danny Jones?

  And then what, what exactly here did they use to carbon date?

• 21:01Speaker 00

  Here, I think they've just used, uh, materials they found at the very lowest levels. I think they found, uh, I think they found burnt wood. Burnt grains. I think mainly, mainly burnt wood, especially at Quebec Lee Tepe. Uh, but even at Quebec Lee Tepe, the problem they got there is that they're choosing stuff that's in the bottom of the walls. That are placed in between the outside pillars. Around the circle, but these walls could have been added later. That's the problem. Cause you can't, as soon as you get into the bedrock, you can't go any further. You can't get anything below the bedrock. So they were using stuff on top of the bedrock in the walls, which could have been added later. I think they were because I, I think that they were just utilizing bedrock initially.

• 21:42Speaker 00

  And the temples were like, they were slotting kind of the megaliths into like little sockets in the bedrock, like within steps and curbs. Uh, which you can see around the site. Um.

• 21:54Danny Jones?

  It's interesting the way they build the walls by stacking all those little rocks together.

• 21:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, they, they are probably later. I mean, that's the thing. They are probably later. I mean, cause you can see the sophistication is a whole different level. Here you can't, it's difficult. I mean, there's so much, I, I think we can't, it was kind of deliberately damaged. Uh, before it was buried, it was like decommissioned, you know, by the builders or by the people who were living there at the time. Then, then it got buried and like whereas Quebec Lee Tepe, it doesn't seem to have been deliberately damaged. It was like, uh, it was. Preserved almost. It was like almost built rebuilt. It was, uh, you know, repaired and then put back in place. And then they kind of finished the burial there, after the slope slide had happened previously.

• 22:37Speaker 00

  Um, whereas here, uh, it looks like stuff's been knocked, knocked about, um, things like this. So, yeah, it's a slight problem. When you're kind of looking at, um, looking at this site.

• 22:51Speaker 00

  But yeah, there's a whole load of stuff here. I mean, even the floor, some of the floors of the new enclosures, they are. Made, they're not, sometimes they're carved flat bedrock. I mean, it's perfectly level as well. I mean, perfectly level. And but sometimes they use terrazzo, which is like this lime cement.

• 23:08Danny Jones?

  Terrazzo?

• 23:09Speaker 00

  Yeah. And so they were.

• 23:10Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 23:11Speaker 00

  Uh, cause officially the Romans only used, the first people invented it officially.

• 23:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 23:16Speaker 00

  But they found it in use in abundance here. I mean, it's serious abundance. I mean, hundreds of square meters of terrazzo is being used. And so what that means is they were heating up limestone up to, uh, eight hundred and fifty degrees. Somehow and like then, and then it would turn into this more powdery form, which they can then use, which is quite toxic kind of.

• 23:38Danny Jones?

  And that, that melts limestone?

• 23:40Speaker 00

  Well, it breaks it down. Yeah. And then they mix it with water and mud and other things.

• 23:44Danny Jones?

  What would be the temperature to melt down or smelt copper?

• 23:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm not sure about copper, but I think it's probably less than that, I would imagine.

• 23:51Danny Jones?

  Less than that, huh?

• 23:53Speaker 00

  But um but when it comes to uh creating, oh my god.

• 23:58Danny Jones?

  Nineteen hundred degrees Fahrenheit.

• 24:00Speaker 00

  Okay, that's that's pretty, that's pretty hot. Um but they were, yeah, but they were making this cement. Basically, and it was really, and it was waterproof. It was like this perfect kind of, so they were filling in gaps, they were making floors.

• 24:12Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 24:12Speaker 00

  They were doing this whole thing with it. Yeah, it's pretty impressive.

• 24:15Danny Jones?

  Type in uh type in uh limestone melting point.

• 24:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, if you put in Trazzo, Tarazo.

• 24:23Danny Jones?

  Fifteen hundred degrees Fahrenheit.

• 24:25Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, let's say eight hundred and twenty five Celsius.

• 24:27Danny Jones?

  Eight twenty five Celsius, yeah.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. So that would be, that's how you make the kind of um, you break it down.

• 24:33Danny Jones?

  So a little bit hotter for copper.

• 24:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, pretty interesting. Um and so they had, they had all these kind of innovations and technologies happening in this part of the world, which really all developed here. This is like loads of inventions, loads of innovations that the world first ever saw were at these sites.

• 24:54Danny Jones?

  Have you ever been to Egypt?

• 24:55Speaker 00

  Yes. Yes, I've been to Egypt.

• 24:58Danny Jones?

  You've been, you've been inside the Great Pyramid and all that?

• 25:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's a whole different level. That is insane. When you come to stonework and technologies, my goodness, you got like, is this one of the Egyptian?

• 25:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's one of the three D prints.

• 25:09Speaker 00

  God, I mean, you got stuff like this going on, but actually you've got these plates. If you, if you, if you want to have a look, there's these ones from Karahanteppe. These stone plates, if you want to type in Karahanteppe stone plates, these are insane as well. And so not quite the level of these, these vases or vases, I think you call, but um here we go, yeah, you can see some of them there. So these have been found and uh

• 25:36Speaker 00

  yeah, these stone plates are like, you know, two or three feet wide, sometimes four feet wide max.

• 25:41Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah, I think I have seen these.

• 25:43Speaker 00

  These are carved from basalt and granite and other such things. I've got, I've actually got some better images than this, um. One of my articles.

• 25:52Danny Jones?

  There you go.

• 25:52Speaker 00

  Up online somewhere.

• 25:53Danny Jones?

  Is that it?

• 25:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's them. That's that. That's them there, basically. Yeah, yeah. That's probably my photo. I'm not sure. But that's um, so these, these were deliberately broken as well at the end of their use and then placed on the benches around the edge of Karahanteppe. And again, but these are like eleven thousand four hundred years old, so considerably older than the ones in Egypt.

• 26:12Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 26:13Speaker 00

  But some of them are extremely hard stone.

• 26:16Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 26:16Speaker 00

  Very well made. And even that one on the right, it's got almost like a kind of cut mark, like a little kind of indentation, a perfectly circular indentation smoothed out of the middle. Exactly in the middle.

• 26:30Danny Jones?

  So bizarre, man.

• 26:31Speaker 00

  And there were hundreds of these potentially. Yeah, they found a whole, a whole kind of cache of them in a a new area of Karahanteppe that they called the kitchen. Um, because they believed they were preparing food there.

• 26:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 26:43Speaker 00

  But in the, in this kitchen that they found, they, they're actually, um, they found quite a lot of Anatolian viper snake skeletons.

• 26:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:57Speaker 00

  So.

• 26:57Danny Jones?

  Snake skeletons.

• 26:58Speaker 00

  If they don't mention that in the reports, but they were found there. And so they were eat either eating snakes, which is weird. Or they were getting the venom out of the snakes for psychotropic purposes.

• 27:10Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 27:11Speaker 00

  Uh, so we believe it's more, this is it, actually. This is like the alchemical kitchen, we call it. That's the image there. Yeah, yeah. That's been, been published.

• 27:20Danny Jones?

  Click on that.

• 27:23Speaker 00

  You see the image. There you go. Yeah.

• 27:28Danny Jones?

  Eleven thousand year old kitchen, stone vessels and plates discovered in Karahanteppe.

• 27:34Speaker 00

  Yes, this is.

• 27:35Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 27:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's really bizarre. So there's a serious amount of things they were doing there. I mean, this was like a kind of, and they weren't making any pottery. This is what's called the pre pottery Neolithic era. So there was no pottery. Everything was made of stone, pretty much, apart from the terrazzo, you know, and the limestone plaster that they were using.

• 27:52Danny Jones?

  This thing right there, is that a, a stone?

• 27:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, that'll all be stone. Yeah, everything.

• 27:56Danny Jones?

  Holy shit. So that would have had to be carved. That wasn't clay or that wasn't, that wasn't a.

• 28:00Speaker 00

  They didn't do any.

• 28:01Danny Jones?

  Cast or anything.

• 28:02Speaker 00

  No, nothing like that back then. The, the only thing they were doing was the terrazzo and also. Similar to trucks, they're making limestone kind of plaster, covering up some of the walls and things like this. And um, but not actual vessels.

• 28:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that pot looks pretty symmetrical. That pot looks like pretty damn close to perfect. That's full of dirt right there.

• 28:23Speaker 00

  Some of, some of them were in really, really.

• 28:25Danny Jones?

  It looks even more circular than the actual plates themselves.

• 28:28Speaker 00

  Well, look at these. I mean, these are in good condition, actually, some of these. They're not broken. I mean, hopefully, we'll get scans of these, you know, that'd be kind of useful. Um, so you can check out the accuracy, but I don't think it's quite the level of what they were doing in Egypt. That, that's ridiculous.

• 28:43Danny Jones?

  Look at those other ones too, bro.

• 28:45Speaker 00

  Yeah, they're not small either. They're pretty epic.

• 28:47Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 28:47Speaker 00

  Some have beautiful carvings on as well. Um, you can actually like see the, the carvings all around them. Beautiful kind of chevrons, abstract figures, animals and things like this.

• 28:58Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 28:59Speaker 00

  It's pretty, pretty crazy. I mean, but I think that they were like, you know, they were into like the Anatolian viper venom and kind of.

• 29:06Danny Jones?

  Well, I think like that part of the world was there was, snakes were a big problem for people, likely. I know like in the classical area, a lot of people died from snakes. Snakes were like a real problem.

• 29:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 29:17Danny Jones?

  And they had to figure out, you know, anti-venoms and antidote, antibody treatments to help people survive snake bites. And people were also consuming viper flesh.

• 29:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, there, there's so many serpent carvings at these sites in Turkey. It's insane.

• 29:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, that, that too.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  A lot. I mean, a lot of serpents. I mean, serious amount. And so, um, yeah, and there's lots of other animals and creatures, leopards, boars, other such things. Um.

• 29:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, look, there's Graham's hand next to the head. Oh, that gives you a good scale of it.

• 29:48Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's bigger, bigger than you think.

• 29:51Danny Jones?

  Holy cow, that thing's big.

• 29:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, it looks bigger than it. That looks too big there.

• 29:55Danny Jones?

  A little bit bigger than a human head, huh?

• 29:58Speaker 00

  Well, it's supposed to be three or four. Yeah. Yeah, right. I mean, that is a pretty epic. But yeah, and that's just, I mean, it's just tip of the iceberg. There's a lot more being discovered. If you do, if you put in the camera Hantepa new discoveries, it might come up with what's being discovered on the top of the hill because they've discovered this seven and a half foot statue. Actually, yeah, you can see it there. If you go to the middle, ancient origins.

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• 32:09Speaker 00

  I think that's my, I think that's my article and um and that they found this seven and a half foot statue.

• 32:15Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 32:16Speaker 00

  Is sitting down kind of on the bench. This is the Karahanteppe, the one on the right there. Um, and uh, he's holding his part, his phallus, whatever you wanna call it.

• 32:26Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 32:27Speaker 00

  And he's clearly got this kind of uh emaciation thing going on with the kind of neck. You see the V thing on his neck and the ribs.

• 32:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 32:34Speaker 00

  And so it's, and he's also got a weird beard. He's got like a, almost like a, one of them fake Egyptian beards.

• 32:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 32:40Speaker 00

  And his haircut is like, almost like a mullet going down the back, but shaved above the ears. And we've, we've seen other Mohican type haircuts carved in stone there as well. I mean, which is, which is pretty bizarre. And next to it.

• 32:54Danny Jones?

  Do we know this was carved around the same time?

• 32:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, they, they think it was pretty much the same time. They're actually saying it might be a fraction younger, a few hundred years younger.

• 33:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 33:03Speaker 00

  But um, we're not so sure. Uh, and also there was like a vulture statue was found there. And giant T-shaped pillars, again, all mainly broken. And again, even this statue was broken in like three parts.

• 33:15Danny Jones?

  Right, yeah, you see that.

• 33:16Speaker 00

  You see this deliberate kind of breakage. I mean, and I mean, some of the other human statues they found previously. Again, they're broken. So it's, it's kind of, is it a sort of ceremonial breaking of the statues? This is what some people have suggested. So yeah, I think there's a lot more, a lot more to this culture.

• 33:33Danny Jones?

  Could be competing cultures or tribes, like coming to destroy them, like what, similar to what happened with the Kailasa temple.

• 33:40Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah, well, they tried to destroy that and failed pretty miserably.

• 33:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah, they did a pretty good job destroying some of the stuff in there.

• 33:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean.

• 33:47Danny Jones?

  A lot of the Indian stuff was pretty, well, a lot of the famous Indian sites were ravaged.

• 33:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:54Danny Jones?

  By um, the like Middle Eastern cultures.

• 34:00Danny Jones?

  The Isl- Islam.

• 34:01Speaker 00

  I guess it could be like, like the West. Yeah, you get like in Egypt, you get like the kind of statues, like the nose is broken off and things like this. Uh, which is takes, takes away their power and other such things. There could be a similar principle at play here. Um, there are traditions in some areas in this part of the world where you to decommission and close down a site when you've finished with it. You do break things in certain ways, kind of carefully and then bury it. You know, this is kind of one of the things. So we don't know, it could be one or both of um, these different perspectives.

• 34:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, just the comparison from this to some of the shit you see in Egypt is mind bending. And some of those places that are in Egypt with those perfectly symmetrical.

• 34:45Danny Jones?

  Granite statues of those pharaohs is, is just mind bending, man.

• 34:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, that kind of thing's a whole different level. It's like, almost like computer design technology. I mean, it's, it's pretty. I mean, I'm very, I'm a big fan of Chris Dunn and what he's done in the past. I mean, it's just blown my mind. All his different ideas, but his thing about the precision and the symmetry kind of gets me. Cause it's just the symmetry is really hard to duplicate.

• 35:11Danny Jones?

  It's hard to ignore.

• 35:12Speaker 00

  Uh, when it's that good, that precise. But there's a lot of, a lot of elements here of um. Extreme, you know, extremely sophisticated geometry. Um, within some of the, some of the site, I mean, not necessarily the symmetry within statues. But the layout of the sites are very specific geometries. I mean, I don't know if you can, you'll be able to find it on here.

• 35:35Danny Jones?

  How so?

• 35:36Speaker 00

  Well, if, I don't know, maybe if you type in uh, Gobekli Tepe, um. You might have to go to one of my videos, actually, I think. I'm not sure. Uh. Karahan Tepe or, or Gobekli Tepe ge- uh, geometry. See what comes up. I don't know if any of my images will come up. So you've got some geometry work that's been done by some archaeologists, but there's other stuff that I've done myself. Which um, none of these ones unfortunately.

• 36:04Danny Jones?

  Oh, look at that.

• 36:05Speaker 00

  No, that, that's not, that's, don't go there. That's not um.

• 36:08Danny Jones?

  Is that fake news?

• 36:09Speaker 00

  That's what I'm looking, I'm not looking at that. No, um, you might have to go to one of my, uh. If you go to the mega, maybe go to the Megalithamania, um, you'd be able to find it there.

• 36:20Speaker 00

  Make a little bit of YouTube or something. Um, and, um, but there, so you've got this, in, in Britain, you've got these stone circles. You've got like a thousand stone circles being reported across the whole country, you know, going into France, other places as well. Yeah. And, uh, like, uh, the YouTube channel. Go, go, go to the home and then go to the YouTube channel. That's it.

• 36:44Speaker 00

  In fact, it's in the book. I could just, uh, it's in the little book as well, some of the geometry. Find it on here. Yeah. And, uh, so what, so you've got all these certain geometries that were analyzed. They were surveyed by a Scottish engineer from Oxford University called Alexander Tom. And he published this in several books, two or three really profound books and caused a massive stir within the establishment because he proved that the Neolithic people had an understanding of sophisticated geometries. Uh, if you go to, uh, go to the top, in fact, you go to the latest one, yeah, the one on the top left. If you skip through that, you'll find, uh, the geometries there for sure. Uh, there you go. You go, if you just sort of play it from there. Just turn the volume down and I, I can explain a couple of things.

• 37:28Speaker 00

  Uh, yeah, this is the geometry on the left. That was discovered by Avi Gofer where they found the centers of the circles. All their kind of geometries. Hmm. Were created a perfect equilateral triangle. Um, and then on the, then this was analyzed by my friend Adam Tetlow, who's a metrologist. If you want to just play it and go through the next few slides. Um, he found that they were using very specific types of ancient measurements. So looking at ancient metrology like the Sumerian foot, the Sumerian palm, uh, the royal Egyptian cubit, as me doing some kind of lecture, uh, or conference. And, yeah, and we've got them all here. And he worked out that they were using the Persian foot as well, which these are all very important measurements. You've even got the Egyptian foot.

• 38:12Speaker 00

  And the cubits also being found in, in some of the sites. And these, these are the same kind of measurements we find in the British stone circles and in the pyramids being found at Gobekli Tepe. And, but the geometries, if you move on, move on a little bit, um,

• 38:28Speaker 00

  Come on to that, go to the next, uh, next couple of slides. That's the, they found that it's also perfectly north-south.

• 38:34Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 38:34Speaker 00

  This is the work, so it was built with the understanding of north and south, which they thought maybe was only the pyramids, they found that. But actually, they now found it at Quebec-Litpepe. This is the work of Howard Crowhurst. These are the geometries we find all across the British Isles. We find these six to eight different types, including the ellipse.

• 38:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 38:53Speaker 00

  And they have different construction ways of doing it. They're called flattened eggs, they're called flattened circles, egg-shaped circles, things like this. So I applied this to Quebec-Litpepe to see what I could find. It'll probably be the next couple of slides. Yeah, so here, you know, this is like enclosure D. And we've got an egg-shaped circle type one. Now, you get different, it might look like it's a bit off, but it's actually you get different widths, heights on there of these different geometries.

• 39:20Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 39:21Speaker 00

  Um, and if we just keep going on, there's a few other geometries we can look at. And you see these in, in British stone circles, you see them in Brittany and France. But the fact is, you're finding them now in Quebec-Litpepe, which is 6,000 years earlier at least.

• 39:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 39:36Speaker 00

  Which is pretty amazing. And then even in Naphter Player in Egypt, we have the same geometry going back nearly seven, you know, around 7,000 B.C.

• 39:43Danny Jones?

  Conventional archaeologists, they're not mad about this, right? They're pretty, they're pretty in line with all this stuff, right? They accept it.

• 39:49Speaker 00

  No, not at all.

• 39:50Danny Jones?

  They don't?

• 39:51Speaker 00

  No, they're not interested.

• 39:53Danny Jones?

  I thought it was a, um, conventional archaeologists who discovered it.

• 39:57Speaker 00

  They discovered the equilateral triangle. That was all. Yeah, and, uh.

• 40:01Danny Jones?

  I mean, I'm talking about Go Back, Go Back Lake Tepe.

• 40:03Speaker 00

  But yeah, this one here.

• 40:04Danny Jones?

  Dated it.

• 40:05Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, no, they're not interested for sure at the site. This one's the most fascinating one. This is a flattened circle modified type B. And it almost perfectly fits enclosure C precisely. And even the construction points where the C is, um, that is actually where the T pillars are. And so, so this is exactly, I mean, this may not, for those that have an understanding of, uh, British stone circles, uh, uh, you know, get, get, get all the different, you know, Alexander Tom's work and the people like Robin Heath.

• 40:32Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 40:33Speaker 00

  This is pretty compelling because this was supposed to only have occurred in Britain, like, you know, 4,000 years ago at the most, or 5,000 years ago perhaps. But here it was happening nearly 12,000 years ago. So what is going on? Did these influence the British stone circle builders with their ideas and their different geometries, their different kind of principles? Um. If you if you wanna go on a little bit further, I mean, what I found here is that the measurements as well. This is what really gets me, the ancient metrology of these sites. I mean, people have done a whole thing on the the pyramids.

• 41:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 41:06Speaker 00

  With Stonehenge, they found the what's called the Megalithic Yard, which is two point seven two feet. Or it's uh not point eight three meters.

• 41:14Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:15Speaker 00

  That's found all across the British sites. This is something Alexander Tom worked out. But there's actually an old canon of measurements, uh which are in the next few slides, where there's actually multiple different measurements that you can get. Here here we have some of my crazy.

• 41:29Danny Jones?

  Some mox.

• 41:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, this is what I put together. I managed to work out the measurements of Gobekli Tepe. So i- i- this is like a um work in progress, so I'm still working on this.

• 41:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 41:39Speaker 00

  But what we found is, is like, if you got, if you find whole number measurements of different ancient measurement systems, they were probably using them. It's highly likely they'd be using them or something close to them.

• 41:49Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 41:49Speaker 00

  And that now it's when you're looking at ancient sites and trying to understand the nature of, you know, uh what measurements they'd be using, you're not always looking for one single measurement. You know, people think, oh, it's got, they only use one measurement.

• 42:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 42:03Speaker 00

  There's archaeologists at Stonehenge who claim there's only one measurement they use, but it's not how it worked. The people, as people like John Michelle and John Neil, who are kind of my mentors for many years, who proved that there was a system of different lengths of the foot. There's probably a slide on it in a minute on here as well, uh different lengths of the foot. So you've got the British foot. Then you've got like the Persian foot, you've got the Sumerian foot, you've got the Assyrian foot, you've got the uh Saxon foot. You've got all these different foot lengths, probably twelve, fifteen of them. But they're all perfect fractions harmonics away from the British foot.

• 42:37Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 42:37Speaker 00

  Going a bit longer or a bit shorter. And so what this.

• 42:40Danny Jones?

  And how are they related to like the royal cubits and all that, stuff the Romans were using?

• 42:44Speaker 00

  It all fits in. I mean, you can see on here, look, you see the royal cubit is the diagonal.

• 42:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  Of a square. And if you put a double square together, you've got the Megalithic Yard is the diagonal of two squares.

• 42:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 42:53Speaker 00

  Things like this. And then the Remen is goes is one length of it. So they all, everything fits in a really profound weird manner.

• 43:01Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 43:01Speaker 00

  Um. And so what so what we realize and what John Michelle and John Neil realized is that you're not looking for one measurement, you're looking for a cannon of measurements, maybe twelve fifteen different measurements. But they all relate to each other by perfect harmonies. So it's almost like music. And so you often find in ancient sites, if you look carefully, four or five different measurements. Because they wanted to apply the principles, almost like the languages or like the accents of that culture who was involved in building it. So it gets complicated, but really this was the elites were doing this, that the the commoners weren't doing this. You didn't get the people, just the people hanging around the tribes doing the work. There was elite people who had these understandings.

• 43:44Speaker 00

  And what gets even weirder is that most of these measurements are derived from the size of the earth. So that means they must have had an understanding of the size and shape of the earth. Going back nearly twelve thousand years, and this backs up what Graham Hancock's been saying for years. That they had that these old maps proved that they surveyed the earth in antiquity. And so this is how weird it gets when you start getting into it, because these measurements aren't arbitrary, they're not just made up. They're derived from measurements of the earth, fractions of the degree at certain latitudes and things like this. So it's quite hard to get your head around without having it fully visualized and shown. But this is this is what they were doing. And so there's a high chance.

• 44:28Danny Jones?

  How do you think they knew the the exact circumference of the earth?

• 44:31Speaker 00

  I think they were measuring, I think they I think they had measurement, uh, they had people going out to different latitudes. Taking different measurements, using astronomy to do so, using shadows at certain times of the day and year. Um, and then, you know, marking that at different latitudes, and then you could work out the angles of the shadows and things like this. It was known they were doing that in ancient Egypt, this has been documented. So it's highly likely they were doing that here. And also, if you look into like things like the Book of Enoch, you know, this remarkable, very weird book, that was used to be part of the the whole kind of Old Testament. It talks about him being taken by the watchers or the angels to different latitudes where there was very different weather and different environments and taking cords and going to measure.

• 45:17Speaker 00

  And this is going back into deep antiquity, the era they were talking about here. So it's even referenced in some of the old texts, some of the old sacred texts.

• 45:25Danny Jones?

  Who did they say was being taken?

• 45:26Speaker 00

  Enoch. Enoch, one of the biblical line of Noah and all this kind of stuff. And so this is pretty strange. I mean, that can't be proven, obviously. But the fact that the evidence is there with the measurements that are being found at these sites. So they must have had some understanding. Now, they could have guessed it, but that's highly unlikely. But what it seems is like there was some very advanced group of people, you know, possibly a a large group of people who were travellers as well. They weren't just located at Gobekli Tepe. They were going to different places.

• 45:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:59Speaker 00

  They were taking measurements. For example, Stonehenge, they found these post holes where giant pine totem pole type objects would be placed in. It could have been up to thirty feet tall because they were like three feet wide, several feet deep.

• 46:15Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 46:16Speaker 00

  They're dated to ten thousand years old. And so this is weird. I mean, because Stonehenge wasn't built until five thousand years after that, at least. So why were they marking the position of Stonehenge with these giant timber posts? Then, back in ten thousand years ago, it's it's quite weird. So I I've got the impression, there we go, this is actually the the post holes where what they would have looked like.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  Uh, which which image?

• 46:41Speaker 00

  And these are most, I think, pretty much all the the top ones there. And there's the reconstruction there as well.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  Oh, the the these circle things?

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, but they were originally, I mean, for a while, they were blobs of paint in the car park. That's all they were, because they they they're gone. They're just remnants of bits of charcoal at the bottom of them and things like this. But these go back ten thousand years. So these are really intriguing because these it's almost like someone had gone out to different parts of the world and marked specific latitudes for measurements. And the thing about Stonehenge, it's a very important latitude when you start, if you want to understand astronomy.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 47:15Speaker 00

  And uh surveying because it's at roughly fifty one degrees, whereas Gobekli Tepe is thirty eight degrees north. But that latitude, what you have there is have, so between fifty one and fifty two degrees north. That measurement, if you actually measure it from one fifty one to fifty two, that is the mean polar circumference um degree. So if you were to have a perfect circle, that's what that length would be of each degree.

• 47:44Speaker 00

  If you know what I mean. So it's a mean of the circle uh at that latitude and and similar things happen down at thirty eight degrees as well to do with different elements of surveying. So I guess it gets a bit gets a bit intense, you know.

• 47:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 00

  But we're gonna write all this out in our next book and kind of explain it in in detail with graphics because it's quite hard to kind of get your head around. And we're still working on it. We're still trying to work out, you know, the how they could have measured the earth nearly twelve thousand years ago. Because if you think about it as well, if there was some kind of catac- if there was this Younger Dryas, which is looking very likely there was, impact event, chaos, things, everything got destroyed, whatever there was, the Ice Age was there for a while, this, that and the other. Are they gonna wanna like have another, you know, these very elite, very smart people, there's probably survivors doing their thing. They're gonna wanna like remap the earth, you know, really, they're gonna wanna work out where they are because things have changed a bit. Floodings happened, land

• 48:40Speaker 00

  masses have changed, the ice has shifted things around.

• 48:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 48:43Speaker 00

  And so to me, there's a good case for that. I mean, it sounds we're going a bit far out here, but actually, I think there's something something to that for sure.

• 48:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah, no, I don't think I don't think it's that crazy of an idea that there's a a group of people back then that maybe, you know, got some sort of warning or saw some sort of signs of a cataclysm coming and maybe like decided to find high ground or to go to a certain spot where they knew they would be safe or build a boat or whatever. Um, because I mean, the the Younger Dryas wiped out, we know, like, what was it? How like of of the total human population that we think it was like maybe forty, thirty, forty percent?

• 49:27Speaker 00

  Quite possibly, yeah, yeah, I'm not really.

• 49:29Danny Jones?

  And then it because it it hit the biggest devastation from it was in North America, right? Because there's an asteroid that we believe that hit or a comet that hit the North American ice sheet like up in where up where Canada is.

• 49:42Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 49:42Danny Jones?

  Um, I think they found a with some sort of satellites, they found evidence that there's a huge comet or asteroid underneath the ice sheet in uh on the North American continent. And then that sort of blasted open the frickin' ice wall that was blocking all the water and all the water rushed in to. Um, like the western part of the United States killed all the megafauna, took tons of rocks with it. That's why we have like giant boulders in the north Midwest that are from like way up north where Canada was.

• 50:21Danny Jones?

  And um, and then Africa, like we lost all of the megafauna, the giant sloths, the saber-toothed tigers, the mammoths. But Africa still has all of its megafauna. There's still all the elephants and everything roaming all over Africa. So Africa was probably spared for the most part. So um, I mean, even if, you know, the people that were right in harm's way didn't survive. There were still tons of other places around the earth where, you know, you would have been fine, it seems like.

• 50:49Speaker 00

  There's, yeah, there's a place in Syria um, that got, uh, had like an airburst during the, the whole younger dryas impact. Kind of, it's actually, you can probably Google that um, Syria kind of airburst or, you know, impact.

• 51:02Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 51:03Speaker 00

  And actually, one of the sites, uh, I forget the exact name of it, but they actually kind of completely flattened the site. And then they rebuilt on it afterwards, like, and this was one of the pre-pottery Neolithic sites, but down in Syria. And so this is pretty kind of, pretty strong.

• 51:17Danny Jones?

  Comet airburst in Syria around 12,800 years ago led to the development of agriculture and in the region, huh?

• 51:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, Abu Huraya. Yeah, yeah.

• 51:25Danny Jones?

  Oh, Abu Huraya. Okay, I got you.

• 51:27Speaker 00

  So that's the one. And so I think, I think Graham's talked about this as well, Graham Hancock. And uh, but this is, I mean, that's unbelievable. That's super close to Gobekli Tepe. I mean, that's like a couple of hundred miles away. And so it's not like it's that far away from that whole area. It's just down south from there, down along the Euphrates River. And so that, to me, is really compelling because that is like a direct effect of the younger dryas, potentially. Um, affecting people very close to Gobekli Tepe area. And so this, so it could have, it could have been in their consciousness. Of that happening and and and it being revered in stories and things like this. Then you have people like Martin Sweattman and Graham as well. They kind of talk about like the carvings on pillar forty three at Gobekli Tepe.

• 52:12Speaker 00

  Actually, I were kind of almost like a memory of that, like a kind of monument to that. And a and a kind of warning about anything that may occur again in the future. And so, you know, so I find that really, you know, the fact that it was happening and the effects of it were recorded at somewhere very close to the area we're talking about as well, where things then really took off afterwards, you know, really massive amounts of innovation just went ballistic. So, you know, so were they kind of like doing things, getting together, you know, putting their heads together, saying what we need to remap things. We need to kind of get some new places organized, built and things like this. So there's certainly, you know, a case for that, you know, the effects were known by the people in this this region.

• 52:56Danny Jones?

  What did you what did you think of the Graham Hancock Flint Dibble debate that they did?

• 53:01Speaker 00

  Um, I thought it was cool. Yeah.

• 53:04Danny Jones?

  Cool.

• 53:05Speaker 00

  It was it was interesting. I mean, I think it needed something needed to be done, but I don't I don't know if it if it was essential. I mean, it's fine. I mean, the the academics are going to kind of challenge people like Graham Hancock because he's so popular. I mean, his stuff's, I mean, I think Graham's overall.

• 53:24Danny Jones?

  That's the thing that before that, no one really challenged him. No one like, no one's, no one got, like stood up face to face with him before that.

• 53:30Speaker 00

  Oh, I did. I mean, they did. They did back in the nineties. I mean, that we had, we had this, uh, we had this panel, I think it was a panorama TV show in England. Tried to completely destroy Graham Hancock in one foul swoop.

• 53:42Danny Jones?

  They had him on and they had him on and talked to him face to face.

• 53:44Speaker 00

  No, no, no, they didn't. They just destroyed his TV series.

• 53:47Danny Jones?

  Oh, I'm talking about like actually face to face.

• 53:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, but then the problem is he actually, I think he then ended up, um, challenging them and suing them because they lied about things.

• 53:55Danny Jones?

  Graham sued him?

• 53:55Speaker 00

  Yeah, so it got really got really messy. And so so he's been challenged all along. Now it's just become because of social media, people can see it more. And so I don't I don't think it's changed. I think he's, I I I got a lot of time for Graham. I think what he's done over the years, he's. Pushing stuff out into now the mainstream, which I think is really important. He's putting Gobekli Tepe on, you know, helping put Gobekli Tepe on the map.

• 54:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 54:18Speaker 00

  The Young Dryas hypothesis on the map is pushing forward, you know, the sophistication of the ancients and things like this. And this really wasn't addressed very well before that. It was in some cases, there were books coming out in the seventies, we had Eric Von Daniken, John Michel and others talking about it. Not really, you know, so he was, to me, he's like the pioneer who pushed forward and because I think he was hitting some truths. Quite a lot of truths in his work, he's gonna get challenged for that because it frustrates the archaeologists and the academics. Who have their own version of it, which is much more mundane and simple.

• 54:54Danny Jones?

  He made it way more interesting, right? He made it, he turned it into something that the everyday working man could get behind and find fascinating. And with his books, right? Fingerprints of the Gods.

• 55:03Speaker 00

  Oh god, I mean, I mean, in that, he does tons of work on the archaeo astronomy, for instance, which fascinates me. Which hadn't really been addressed before and put into a part, you know, a kind of popular format, you know, where people can kind of get it and get their head around it and appreciate it. I just think, you know, I think the debate was interesting, it came across okay. I know you had Flint on here, didn't you?

• 55:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I did, yeah.

• 55:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. And so, but.

• 55:27Danny Jones?

  You thought it was okay?

• 55:28Speaker 00

  The frustration, the frustration I've got with that whole thing, I mean, I don't wanna kind of say too much about it really, but.

• 55:34Danny Jones?

  Why not?

• 55:34Speaker 00

  Well, it's because firstly, uh, when you got, you've got archaeology, you've got like academia, you've got them digging up the sites. Doing archaeological work, they're focused on what they're good at, they're really good at that, and they could do that well, you know, and they can archive it. They can analyze, you know, the different things, get dating and stuff like this. When it comes to interpretation, that's a whole other story. I mean, because you've got the culture that came from, you've got to look at their traditions, their mythologies. Their way of life, their way of thinking, so you have to go into anthropology. But, and I really think this is, you need to have a multidisciplinary approach to interpreting sites.

• 56:16Speaker 00

  You can't rely on one group of people who are specialized in digging up. Things, you know, to to interpret everything correctly. And so I think this is where you got people who are experts in ancient geometry, in in measurements. Uh, things like that need to come in and have a look, you know, how they oriented the site. Archaeoastronomers need to come in and have a look. One of the issues with uh Gobekli Tepe and Karahane Tepe uh recently. Since myself and JJ made this winter solstice discovery at Karahane Tepe and before that. Graham was talking about it. We have Andrew Collins writing about the Cygnus northern orientation and. Uh, of the structures there towards Cygnus and Deneb. And but the thing is, we we're all kind of alternative researchers, we're independent, um, you know, things like this.

• 57:02Speaker 00

  So we put it out there, but it gets dismissed because we're not academics. And actually, we make, I mean, with Karahane Tepe, you can go there yourself. You can see the actual phenomenon on the winter solstice happen. But since all this has come out. It's being put out publicly that there's no astronomy at all associated with Gobekli Tepe and Karahane Tepe whatsoever is false. You know, even though many people have already written about it and put it out there. And and they say the reason is is because there were roofs on it, so therefore they never looked at the night sky. And things like this. And so so you you get into this kind of almost like a kind of, you know, kind of.

• 57:41Speaker 00

  Battering ram headlock kind of thing you can't get through and actually kind of put this stuff out there. So I I'm frustrated by. I want the academics to discuss discoveries made by non academics and open it up for debate in a nice way. Why do we have to be mean to each other and be, you know, bitching about everything? I mean, I think that needs to be addressed. I think because there's there's people who just focus their whole lives on archaeo astronomy. Then they want to have a look at Gobekli Tepe and they're dismissed because. Someone who doesn't know anything about archaeo astronomy, the the uh academics, the archaeologists, say there isn't anything there. So you can't go in there and do the research. And so I think there's a something that that needs to be addressed. There needs to be a multidisciplinary opening.

• 58:25Speaker 00

  For other researchers to officially have their say on things as well and discuss it openly. I mean, I'd like to, we've written a kind of paper, myself and JJ, on the winter solstice. Sunrise alignment, but we can't get it published anywhere academically because we're not academics. And so it won't get addressed, it won't get looked at, it will be ignored. You know, so that that's the frustration we've got. We're actually gonna try, we're gonna put, we found a journal, we're gonna try and get one in.

• 58:53Danny Jones?

  Who pays attention to those journals anyways? Post it on YouTube, that's where everyone goes.

• 58:57Speaker 00

  Well, that's what we do, we do that whatever, but you know, look at Martin Sweaterman, he's written this, he's a, an academic um from Edinburgh University. He, he's worked with Graham in the past, he, he comes to and speaks at our conferences. Um, and he's written this paper, he's written several papers now about a calendar system in, in, you know, encoded on pillar forty-three at Gobekli Tepe and also actually at Karahane Tepe in the pillar shrine, you know, the, the way like what's called a loony solar calendar, where you're kind of like counting certain aspects of it to like build up this calendar.

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• 1:00:15Speaker 00

  And he got that peer reviewed and published in an academic journal. Eventually, it took him like two or three years to get it through. And now that is like, that went, that went ballistic, that went all over the internet, it, it caused this sensation, really frustrated a lot of the academics and archaeologists who said, well, we weren't consulted, well, you know, we don't agree with that. Um, and so, but, so he managed to get one through about the astronomy and astrology, even astrological symbols and, and calendars at Gobekli Tepe and Karahane Tepe. So in a way, that's opened the door for other people to now write about that. But since then, the archaeologists have said, no, none of that is true, there's no astronomy, they weren't looking at the skies since that came out a few months ago. And so, so hang on a sec, but.

• 1:01:00Speaker 00

  It's been published, we've made this discovery that, yeah, here's my sweat and here's a conference, I make a Lithomania conference. And, and so, yeah, so that, so that's my frustration with the whole kind of debate. And I just think everyone needs to be a bit nicer to each other. It's as simple as that. And actually, listen to each other. Because, because there's no need, I mean, the ideas are flowing. You know, if we're a kind of advanced civilization, which we claim to be, we should be collaborating, not fighting about it. That's my opinion.

• 1:01:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but it's definitely not happening. You're right about that. We are, uh, we're more focused on, on fighting each other and proving each other wrong on Twitter.

• 1:01:39Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:01:40Danny Jones?

  About people that lived potentially 10,000 years ago.

• 1:01:44Speaker 00

  I know, again.

• 1:01:45Danny Jones?

  We're not really innovating anything anymore. We're just sort of, it's almost like we're, uh, we're, we're disintegrating as a, as a species, it feels like, because of technology, like technologies is doing all the work for us now. And now we just want to, uh, figure out the next place to get our, our next dopamine hit. You know what I mean?

• 1:02:05Speaker 00

  That's it. I, yeah, I get you. I guess it's like with, with Twitter or X or whatever. That's, uh, that, to me, that is like hell. I mean, I've got to be honest with you. I can't, it's just a thousand, a million opinions flying around. Everyone thinks their opinion's correct. And it's, and it gets, it gets so frustrating. And no one's listening. And then everyone blocks each other. And it's like, what the hell, you know, where's the kind of, where's the educated and light and discussion, you know?

• 1:02:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:02:27Speaker 00

  Why can't we, why can't I go and talk to the head archaeologist at Cameran Tepe and have a discussion with them about the winter solstice alignment? And actually show him it and we talk about it. And actually get it properly tested.

• 1:02:39Danny Jones?

  You know, that's a lot of balls to be able to publicly defend your research and your ideas, you know?

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:02:46Danny Jones?

  In the public square and to have, and you know, to risk looking like a fool in front of a lot of people, the whole world, right?

• 1:02:54Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:02:55Danny Jones?

  Um, and I don't think people want to do that. People would just rather like leave a comment, you know, anonymously on a social media platform.

• 1:03:04Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:04Danny Jones?

  And, um,

• 1:03:07Danny Jones?

  Flint did do that. I don't know if he knew the repercussions or what was gonna happen. I mean, it seems like there's a huge group of people who just hate his guts.

• 1:03:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:03:20Danny Jones?

  You know, that just like, you know, they, they hate his exist, they hate every fiber of his being simply because he disagrees with Graham Hancock in every way possible.

• 1:03:33Speaker 00

  But it's the way he does it as well, isn't it?

• 1:03:34Danny Jones?

  It is the way, yeah. He definitely doesn't do it in the best, in the, in the, in the best way. I think he could do things differently, but look, we're all, we're all human. None of us are perfect. Um, you know, do I think blocking everybody on Twitter who, I mean, I don't block anybody on Twitter. I've never blocked anybody on Twitter, but you know, you know, maybe he, I, I can't, I can't judge him for, for wanting to block people for calling him names or calling him a moron or whatever it is. But, um, you know, I think, I think humans just like to not be wrong about shit. They like to be right about things, especially when you're like him and you've dedicated your whole life.

• 1:04:15Danny Jones?

  You know, not only that, but like his whole family is tied up in, in, in archaeology. So it's like his dad did it for X amount of years. Now he's doing it. You feel like it's his legacy. Archaeology is his legacy and, um, and he doesn't want to be wrong about things, you know, and he, at least he had the balls to go do that and face Graham head to head. Um, I give him that. And on the, you know, I don't agree with him about, I, I, he's not an expert in Egypt stuff, but I, I asked him about these vases and, and some of the stuff like with the pyramids and what their original purpose was. And he buys the, the conventional explanation of, of how they were built.

• 1:04:56Danny Jones?

  He thinks that these were just done by hand with like a stick and a rock on the inside like that. I think it's absurd. Um, but that's not his expertise. I think he just sort of falls in line with academia when it comes to that. I disagree with him on it. Um, but one of the things I think was really compelling.

• 1:05:15Danny Jones?

  With Flint, when I had him in here, was uh how he broke down Atlantis and the story of Atlantis. Are you familiar with that at all?

• 1:05:23Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I know about the the whole story of it. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:26Danny Jones?

  Are you familiar with like his theory on it?

• 1:05:28Speaker 00

  Not so much.

• 1:05:30Danny Jones?

  So he's actually, his, his field of expertise, right? Is perfectly in line with Atlantis. So he's actually like the perfect academic archaeologist to confirm or deny Atlantis because he, his location that he specializes in is ancient Greece. And the time that he focuses on, or the part that he, part of the timeline he studies was the time that Atlantis was supposedly there. Um, so it's compelling. And um, he came in here and he broke down, we talked about Plato

• 1:06:12Danny Jones?

  and Plato's writings and some of the stuff like that's some of the biggest evidence for Atlantis existing is Plato talking about it. And um, you know, he, I had an also another guy, another classical philologist who studies ancient Greek and is very well versed in Plato. He's basically read all the philosophy of the ancient Greeks and the classical texts. Basically, it seems like Plato was a liar, a prolific liar. And some of them were called noble lies, like lies to make society better, to basically lie to the, the people in the society to make them conform to rules to so, so humanity could advance, right? So where like the philosophers, the philosopher kings would run society.

• 1:06:56Danny Jones?

  And then below that you would have like the knights and then like the parliament or whatever. But um, there was also many documented account, like there's also like many accounts of him actually telling like outright lies in his writings, like even about Socrates. Um, and this is known, this is known by, by classicists, people that don't even like pay attention to any of this sort of Atlantis stuff, for any of like the Graham Hancock stuff at all.

• 1:07:28Danny Jones?

  So um, so that was interesting. And then he also broke down like the, the, the game of telephone that was um,

• 1:07:37Danny Jones?

  That I guess was told to Plato for his account of Atlantis, right? I guess it was like, you'd have to pull it up again. I don't remember it exactly, but apparently like Plato got it from someone who got it from someone else, Solon, who apparently his grandfather was told this a thousand years before he ever wrote, before it was ever told by anyone else. And then it was told to that person by some Egyptian priest a thousand years before that, but there was no text or anything. It was just told, right? So it's like, this is like a thousands and thousands and thousands of years of games of telephone, right? Before it was ever allegedly written down, and it was only allegedly written down.

• 1:08:22Danny Jones?

  It was never actually written down. And then a thousand years after that, Plato wrote it down.

• 1:08:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 1:08:29Danny Jones?

  So it's like, and then on top of that, Plato is synonymous for telling fake stories.

• 1:08:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:08:35Danny Jones?

  Right? He's telling, like, have you ever heard of his allegory of the cave?

• 1:08:38Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:08:39Danny Jones?

  The Plato's allegory of the cave is basically, you know, the idea of these people in this cave and people behind them playing shadows on the wall, right? And these people think that the shadows are reality. And then eventually someone finds his way out of the cave and goes, oh my God, there's this whole new world. And he wants to tell everyone in the cave, but they're like, no, leave us alone. This is our world. We're living in this. Like, we don't want to hear your theories about whatever else. Like, they're comfortable in their world. And it was a, it was a created story of like, basically how a society can be tricked and fooled and to thinking reality is something that it's not. And he's basically saying what Flint made the case for was that Atlantis was the same

• 1:09:23Danny Jones?

  thing as Plato's cave.

• 1:09:25Speaker 00

  Okay. Oh, and that's, that's interesting.

• 1:09:26Danny Jones?

  It was fascinating. It really was fascinating. And then he go, he went into some of the archaeological evidence to, to how, you know, Atlantis wasn't an actual real place. It was a hypothetical place that Plato wrote about.

• 1:09:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Danny Jones?

  And I know some other people have other evidence for Atlantis that completely, you know, doesn't rely on Plato.

• 1:09:48Danny Jones?

  Which I believe we talked about, but anyways, that was, you know, he made a very compelling case when he came in here about Atlantis and um.

• 1:09:57Danny Jones?

  And yeah.

• 1:09:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, my, my co-author Jim Vera, he's Mr. Atlantis.

• 1:10:02Danny Jones?

  Oh, is he?

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, talk to him, he'll love, he'll love it. I mean, I'm not a big, I'm not a big Atlantis fan. I mean, I don't really, I'm not sure about anything about it. I mean, I'm very aware of it every, I mean, there's more books on Atlantis than any other subject on the planet. So I've read a few of them for sure, but you know, if there's anything Atlantean, in my opinion, then it's more of a, it's not a landmass. It's not a lost continent, you know, with crystal technology or whatever people say it was. To me, it's more of a kind of cultural, like a civilizations kind of focus, you know, it's like, it could have been. It may be a kind of lost, forgotten, distant memory of just an advanced culture, possibly the Quebec Leite people even, you know, it could even be that.

• 1:10:47Speaker 00

  You know, because they were quite advanced, they were traveling around, they were measuring things, they were doing this and that. And so, you know, maybe it's more like that than is an actual place. That's just my version possibility, but I don't mention the A word in any of my.

• 1:11:01Danny Jones?

  The A word.

• 1:11:02Speaker 00

  My writings, yeah.

• 1:11:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, I think Plato was actually writing about like what a hypothetical war would look like between Athens. Yeah, in this place called Atlantis. And they were basically like trying to, he was trying to like simulate some sort of scenario, some sort of like, I guess you could call it a war game scenario. And like what would happen to society if we got into a war with a place like this?

• 1:11:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:11:28Danny Jones?

  But, but yeah, no, like as far as people getting back to, you know, like conventional archaeologists and Graham Hancock. I can totally understand somebody who spent their whole life doing this stuff like. Eating the gruel in archaeology, not, you know, doing a lot of the boring shit too, along with the fun shit. Can see someone like Graham Hancock come along, go on the Joe Rogan podcast, and then be selling millions of books, making all this money, becoming a worldwide celebrity, and getting all this attention. And they're like, motherfucker, I've been doing this my whole life, sludge, sludge, sludge in through the mud. You know, I haven't written any books, I haven't made a fucking dime. I've just been sitting in class, teaching people, and, you know, traveling to all these places, but nobody gives me credit for any of it. Instead of this schmuck, this Graham Hancock guy gets to go write all this stuff.

• 1:12:14Danny Jones?

  I'm gonna go find every hole I can possibly find in everything he's ever written. Like, I understand that point of view.

• 1:12:19Speaker 00

  I can, yeah, I get that kind of perspective. You got to look at all different perspectives on these things. Yeah, for sure. Um, but maybe he's

• 1:12:25Danny Jones?

  Not saying it's a good thing to do. I don't think it's a good thing to do, but I can get, it's human nature.

• 1:12:29Speaker 00

  But it is, is, but it doesn't look good for archaeology when you've got someone, someone trying to call someone else out on, and then getting personal, and then getting attacks. This whole racism agenda that's behind it is like really weird.

• 1:12:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I totally agree.

• 1:12:45Speaker 00

  So that stuff, I mean, you don't do that. You don't do that. You're an adult. You don't do things like that. You just, you focus on the actual research, not what some other, you know, author wrote 150 years ago. That, that Graham referenced once.

• 1:13:01Danny Jones?

  What did he say? His ideas are based on white supremacy or something like that?

• 1:13:05Speaker 00

  No, it's absurd. It's absolutely absurd. I mean, it's sad, you know, and it makes them look foolish, in my opinion, when they say things like that. Because, you know, it isn't. It just isn't. I mean, he's, you know, I, you know, you read fingerprints of the gods. I don't think they've read his books. I've got to be honest with you.

• 1:13:21Danny Jones?

  I think Graham has. No, not Graham. I think, uh, Flint has. Flint's read it.

• 1:13:24Speaker 00

  I'm not sure. I mean, if he'd actually read his books, there's no hint of that. It's kind of absurd, in my opinion. It's just, it doesn't make any sense to bring the racist card into it at all. I mean, it's absurd. I think it's a misinterpretation, or he's quoted people that said stuff in their other works or something like this. It's weird. But, you know, the point is, is that, um, maybe Flint should write a bestselling book, then that'll be Be up there with Graham.

• 1:13:53Danny Jones?

  Well, he's got a YouTube channel now.

• 1:13:54Speaker 00

  There you go.

• 1:13:55Danny Jones?

  He's on podcasts.

• 1:13:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. Get a Netflix show, write a million.

• 1:13:58Danny Jones?

  Get a Netflix show. Yeah. Also, the thing that the who somebody sent Netflix like a open letter about the first season of Graham's show.

• 1:14:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:14:07Danny Jones?

  Basically saying that they should re categorize the show as like, science fiction or something.

• 1:14:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, I know. That's weird as well.

• 1:14:15Danny Jones?

  Can you find that? Find the letter that was written to Netflix for the first season of Ancient Apocalypse? From and who it was from? Society for American Archeology sent the letter to Netflix and ITN Productions about the Netflix series Ancient Apocalypse. The Society for American Archeology requested that Netflix reclassify the series as science fiction instead of a documentary or docu-series.

• 1:14:43Speaker 00

  Yes. So I was reading up on this recently, actually.

• 1:14:46Danny Jones?

  We should find out who's behind this Society for American Archeology. I wonder who funds them and who like, what would their incentive be?

• 1:14:55Speaker 00

  Well, initially, they were founded to bridge a gap between what was archaeology was doing and what amateurs were doing when they were writing and presenting about archaeology. And it was all very polite when it was set up. It was all very neat and tidy. It's very polite. Now, everyone else is a pseudo archaeologist. They kind of dismiss them and call them, you know, names and things like that. But when it was set up, apparently, it was all very polite and that they wanted to genuinely connect with, you know, bring in archaeology and amateur work into it, into the same kind of mix. That's actually weirdly, that's one of kind of like why we set up Megalithomania, our conference back in 2006 is because.

• 1:15:35Danny Jones?

  Steve, you're not going to find it on the website. You're going to have to like do some digging and find out like who's the biggest funder behind it.

• 1:15:39Speaker 00

  There's actually an article called, really horrible, actually, Dan Dedunker, he posted this video last night.

• 1:15:47Speaker 00

  Um, Dan Dedunking, he he kind of debunks the academics and the skeptics. But he, there's a paper called Archaeology Not, no, no, sorry, Apocalypse Not, which they put out a couple, about a year or so ago, which is kind of strange. But yeah, so you know, we set up Megalithamania to bridge the gap between academia archaeologists and the alternative, create a stage for it, because we felt it was important back in two thousand and six. And it's still, it's still, to me, there's just too much battling. People need to kind of lighten up, actually talk to each other, and like, I'm sure we'll get through and make some amazing breakthroughs.

• 1:16:26Danny Jones?

  Keep scrolling down.

• 1:16:30Danny Jones?

  Keep going.

• 1:16:34Danny Jones?

  Six thousand members, represents professional, avocational.

• 1:16:37Speaker 00

  Board of Directors.

• 1:16:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah, click on Board of Directors. Let's see what that says. See if George Soros is on here.

• 1:16:46Danny Jones?

  Daniel, okay, Sandwise, Daniel Sandwise, he's the president, he's been the president.

• 1:16:53Danny Jones?

  Two thousand twenty five, what?

• 1:16:55Speaker 00

  Doesn't make sense.

• 1:16:56Danny Jones?

  Two thousand twenty seven, what is this?

• 1:16:58Speaker 02

  I don't understand that. Is that when their tenure ends?

• 1:17:01Danny Jones?

  Are these people from the future?

• 1:17:02Speaker 00

  Commit, you want to go to commit.

• 1:17:03Speaker 02

  Are these time traveling archaeologists? All volunteers.

• 1:17:06Speaker 00

  What about on the left, they're committees and task forces. I think that's the one, you're gonna find it.

• 1:17:10Danny Jones?

  Task forces.

• 1:17:12Speaker 00

  There'll be a pseudo archaeology task force, I'm sure.

• 1:17:17Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's not really in there, is it? But I think it's like John Hoops, Carl Fegons, and, you know, your friend Flint Dibble and things like that. I think people, they wrote this paper called Archaeology Not that Dan posted last night in a video, and.

• 1:17:31Danny Jones?

  It just must piss them off that Graham, you know, is getting all this crazy attention and is pushing these theories and they feel like it's an attack on their, on their tribe, I guess.

• 1:17:43Speaker 00

  Yeah, I guess it is, but I think, you know, a lot, a lot of what, but the problem is, a lot of what Graham says is true, it's good, it's quality research, he's an exceptional researcher. And I think people overlook that, and he, he's an investigative journalist, he's superb at it. I mean, the stuff he's uncovered, which. You know, you know, no one had ever seen before. It's quite remarkable. So I think you've got to like, look at that, you know, from um. From that perspective as well, you know, and that gets ignored all this good, you know, it's really thorough, you know, research, you know, which frustrates me because I know I've read all these books. I know what I know what he's talking about. So.

• 1:18:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, but I think, you know, there's, there's a lot of other people uh who thankfully are getting their books out, they're publishing, they're getting videos out, they're doing TV shows. And a lot of this alternative information is getting out there. I mean, I'm actually involved in ancient aliens quite a lot, History Channel. A lot, a lot of people dismiss that. But I find what is done, you know, is, and I never talk about aliens, I'm talking about ancient mysteries and things like that. But what I find it's done is, it's a bit like ancient apocalypse now has. Is that it's pushed out these ancient sites like Gobekli Tepe, Karahane Tepe, all these, you know, Nama Doll, all these other sites around the world and put them into the mainstream television. Which is actually some really good theories, which are really valid, are getting out there from alternative researchers.

• 1:19:04Speaker 00

  Now, I don't, I'm not, I don't necessarily agree with lots of the alien or UFO stuff. It's not really my, my, my speciality. But the fact is they focus a lot on ancient sites and ancient and good and interesting theories and archaeoastronomy and.

• 1:19:17Danny Jones?

  Aliens do?

• 1:19:18Speaker 00

  No, the, the show does.

• 1:19:19Danny Jones?

  The show does, right, right, right.

• 1:19:21Speaker 00

  And so I think it's like, it's actually.

• 1:19:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah, well, they're alien, they're basically essentially like aliening the gaps, right? Like with the shit we don't understand from the past, like the great pyramids, like we couldn't have, humans couldn't have done it. It was too long ago. Must have been aliens.

• 1:19:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that, that is a general, that's a general way.

• 1:19:36Danny Jones?

  Very general.

• 1:19:37Speaker 00

  It's looked at, but um I, I mean, it's because of the high technology, the kind of the vast.

• 1:19:42Danny Jones?

  Right, of course, right.

• 1:19:43Speaker 00

  It's almost like computer.

• 1:19:44Danny Jones?

  God or aliens.

• 1:19:45Speaker 00

  And so you have to kind of, you know, so they, it's a way of popularizing it, using the aliens, but at the same time.

• 1:19:50Danny Jones?

  Great title, Ancient Aliens.

• 1:19:51Speaker 00

  It's getting information like about the, you know, about this high technology into the public domain in a mainstream way, which I think is great, you know, it needs to be done. So it's allowing our alternative researchers and authors to get their information and theories out in that, in that world. I think that frustrates. A lot of the academics and this, this society and things like that. Same as Graham, you know, same way Graham Hancock's upset them as well. But it's all good. I mean, I think it's just a case of I just think things need to change. And like I say, the reason we set up a conference was to bridge this gap and put these all these people on the same stage. So we can have a discussion about it and not dismiss each other and not give not ignore people's discoveries, actually discuss them.

• 1:20:32Speaker 00

  And you know, if if the discovery gets proven to be wrong, we can let it go then, you know, you know, but you've got to discuss it and like working out. But I think the Archeo astronomy definitely needs to be addressed, especially at sites like Camera Hantep and Quebec Lee Tepe.

• 1:20:45Danny Jones?

  Have you ever heard of Jeffrey Drum?

• 1:20:47Speaker 00

  Yes, I have.

• 1:20:48Danny Jones?

  The Land of Chem?

• 1:20:49Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah.

• 1:20:49Danny Jones?

  What do you make of his theories?

• 1:20:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, I've had a look at some of it, actually. Yeah, I think it's quite interesting. Yeah, I mean, you go into the red, I think the red pyramid. Yeah, it stinks of ammonia.

• 1:20:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:21:00Speaker 00

  That is weird. There's no way that is just bird poop stinking that place. Yeah, no, it's like, this is weird. This is a weird kind of chemical smell in that place. But yeah, no, I kind of I've looked at some of his stuff. It's pretty cool. I know you had him on here once, didn't you as well? Yeah.

• 1:21:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:18Speaker 00

  Yeah. So I mean, you look at the.

• 1:21:20Danny Jones?

  I think that's probably one of my favorite theories on on the pyramids and what they were doing in Egypt is the chemical manufacturing stuff. I think it makes so much sense.

• 1:21:29Speaker 00

  They could shape, was that how you shape the stones then? Like sort of cut them easily using chemicals?

• 1:21:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah, using well for metallurgy, they would have used those chemicals for metal to create metals metallurgy. And then also for like fertilizer, right? And like the crops, that's what you're saying, right, Steve? They were like using that to to.

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  Help fertilizer stuff.

• 1:21:53Danny Jones?

  Fertilizer agriculture.

• 1:21:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:21:55Danny Jones?

  And, um.

• 1:21:58Danny Jones?

  You know, it doesn't really answer the question of like, how did they lift those giant blocks and stuff? And how did they move those giant blocks? But like, when you get into the Serapeum? And you see those giant boxes in there that have those scoops that are taken out of them?

• 1:22:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:22:17Danny Jones?

  He makes a case to where you could use some of these chemicals to to do that, to soften that and to make turn it into like a soft ice cream and scoop it out.

• 1:22:27Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. You've got a lot of scoop marks there in the stone as well. You get that in a

• 1:22:32Danny Jones?

  And if you could use some of these chemicals to soften these stones, it would make a lot more sense.

• 1:22:37Speaker 00

  Yeah, especially when you're dealing with granite and diorite and things like that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Limestone is fairly, you know, workable, but

• 1:22:43Danny Jones?

  I would love to see Jeffrey Drum and Chris Dunn like collaborate on something.

• 1:22:48Speaker 00

  Well, cause Chris, cause Chris Dunn in his book, you know, uh, the Giza Power Plant, he talked about chemicals.

• 1:22:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:53Speaker 00

  He talked about chemicals.

• 1:22:54Danny Jones?

  Go into the Queen's Chamber down one of the shafts. It would, it would, it would be, um, I forget what, what chemical it was, um,

• 1:23:05Danny Jones?

  hydrogen, liquid hydrogen or something.

• 1:23:07Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:23:07Danny Jones?

  That would go down the one of the like the, the, uh, the left hand shaft into the Queen's, Queen's Chamber. It would create the chemical reaction in the Queen's Chamber. Go out there, up the Grand Gallery and do something in the King's Chamber where like the, the microwave, those wave guides that were coming out of the King's Chamber would combine with the, the hydrogen in there and do something that created free energy, I guess.

• 1:23:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:23:37Danny Jones?

  But yeah, no, but and he also thought that the chemicals were being poured into the ground outside of the Great Pyramid. And then they were being like somehow pushed up into the shafts that went down into the Queen's Chamber.

• 1:23:51Speaker 00

  Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty, it's pretty epic. Really. I mean, that's another level of technology.

• 1:23:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. What a fucking crazy thought experiment that book is, the Giza Power Plant. Holy shit.

• 1:24:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, that is pretty, pretty cool. He's done it. He's got a new one out. It's what he probably discussed.

• 1:24:08Danny Jones?

  Tesla Connection.

• 1:24:08Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:24:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah. And that's basically about, you know, that's the idea that there was this. Uh, hammering uh, device that was in the subterranean chamber of the pyramid that would hammer the ground underneath the pyramid, deep underneath the pyramid. I forget how exactly deep it is, but it would basically, uh, so the foundation that the pyramid sits on, that part of the uh, Giza Plateau is very, I guess, like seismically active. And when you penetrate, when you pound the ground, when you hit it with like a hydraulic hammer underneath the pyramid, it creates a little mini earthquake. And when the ground does that, it creates these electrons that flow through the earth's surface.

• 1:24:51Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:24:51Danny Jones?

  And he was saying that these electrons somehow interact with the pyramid to

• 1:24:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:24:56Danny Jones?

  to do, to create this power that the thing creates.

• 1:25:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, I think you, I think you wrote about magnetism as well. And um, you know, things like natural magnetism in the earth as well can uh, can um, be manipulated and things like this.

• 1:25:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's earthquake lights.

• 1:25:11Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:25:12Danny Jones?

  There's Marfa, Texas, where there's like famous place for all these earthquake lights that would come up.

• 1:25:15Speaker 00

  Where the rocks kind of rubbing together under, deep under the ground. I mean, in a, just coming back to Gobekli Tepe, in Gobekli Tepe, in enclosure D, uh, something was published in the mid 2000s and it was by Pablo de Batollis of Trieste University. Um, and he basically did some acoustic research inside enclosure D, which has this very interesting geometry. It's kind of elliptical, but it's also got this very special geometry we looked at. And he also did, while he was there, and this is when Klaus Schmidt was the head archaeologist, they found within it a spiraling magnetic anomaly coming up out of the ground in between the two central T pillars. And he, and he freaked out. So he got, he went around all the different angles and

• 1:25:59Speaker 00

  got the same thing from all the different angles to prove his point.

• 1:26:02Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:26:03Speaker 00

  And so they were building on top of a magnetic anomaly, which can, we know can affect consciousness. You know, we know, so it may, so the reason they chose the little odd, it's really kind of bizarre location. When you look at like middle of nowhere up on these kind of hills and these stony hills. Um. It makes you question what they would. They must have recognized some kind of special quality about it to choose that site. But also, if you know the work of John Burke, he wrote Seed of Nollie Stone of Plenty. He did a whole book, basically, like ten or fifteen years of research. Going around to other ancient sites with magnetometers, picking, you know, working out where the magnetism was the strongest, there was anomalies.

• 1:26:44Speaker 00

  And he eventually concluded that this, these were the places where the ancient people would place their seeds and grains. And that this magnetism and telluric currents would charge it up. And so, and he did test, he did test in labs and everything as well. And when you then go and plant the seeds and grains, that you get a much higher yield, higher quality crop, frost resistant and things like this. This was all published, it was, it's all like scientifically documented, has been proven by other people doing tests as well. So many of these sites, these ancient sites, even the pyramids, what they were doing, they were creating like, as you mentioned, this fertilizing kind of energy to enhance their agriculture. Right. And if you go back to Gobekli Tepe, right, so this was nine thousand six hundred B C, they were doing that here.

• 1:27:28Speaker 00

  So I postulate, hypothesize, speculate, whatever you want to call it, that it's known that agriculture developed in that immediate area within two hundred years of Gobekli Tepe being built. And the agricultural revolution went boom, it started happening. People were growing food everywhere, bringing their seeds around, sharing them, planting them, getting good yields and things like this, in a very fertile kind of area at the time. And so, were they manipu- did they have some kind of understanding that have had to enhance their seeds and grains at Gobekli Tepe to then go and do this effectively? So that's another thing we're looking into now, but it's hard to prove, can't find much data to back it up, but the fact is there is a major.

• 1:28:13Speaker 00

  Spiraling magnetic anomaly right at the heart of the main enclosure at Gobekli Tepe.

• 1:28:18Danny Jones?

  That's fascinating.

• 1:28:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's pretty interesting.

• 1:28:21Danny Jones?

  And who found this?

• 1:28:22Speaker 00

  This was Pablo Derbatolos of Trieste University. Um, and it's in a paper, it's published, you can see it online.

• 1:28:29Danny Jones?

  Can you find it, Steve?

• 1:28:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, we mentioned in our little book, we're gonna do a big thing about it in the next book, uh, for sure, because we think it's really intriguing and we'll be, we, we. The other problem, I wanna get inside these sites, so I'm reaching out to the archaeologists here, let me in the sites with a magnetometer, let's see what else we've got, you know, because if that's the, if that's, that's really interesting. And it's scientific, it's not like we're just making it up, this was published, um.

• 1:28:54Danny Jones?

  How do you spell his name? What about just, uh?

• 1:28:57Speaker 00

  Just put acoustics, Pablo Terbatolos, yeah.

• 1:29:02Speaker 00

  That might come up, but yeah, so this is just one of the thing, I mean, because there are definitely acoustics occurring at these sites, this is like Andrew Collins, he's a good friend of mine, he's done a lot of research on the fact that these are generally, these are kind of, um, elliptical in shape. So these are very specific acoustic properties, when you have elliptical enclosures and closed structures, you know, with, you know, going around, surrounding you. Um, and so he found out that, you know, this guy here, Pablo Debatolos, that, um, you might wanna look at, um, go back to my lecture, because it's actually in that, um, it might be easier, it might be.

• 1:29:37Danny Jones?

  This one right here?

• 1:29:38Speaker 00

  No, it's not that, no.

• 1:29:40Danny Jones?

  Um, okay.

• 1:29:41Speaker 00

  Yeah, but it's there, it's definitely online, I downloaded.

• 1:29:44Danny Jones?

  Are there any other places that they found these, besides Gobekli Tepe?

• 1:29:47Speaker 00

  All over the world, loads, loads of sites, loads of British stone circles, even the mound culture sites of America. There's things that were found at the pyramids to do with ions, I think you were talking, mentioning that earlier, like the ions being collected, even the stone chambers of New England.

• 1:30:02Danny Jones?

  Electrons, yeah, they call it a solid state electron harbinger.

• 1:30:05Speaker 00

  He's, but I do, if you can get hold of a copy of John Burke's book, Stone, Seed of Knowledge, Stone of Plenty, it's an absolute superb, superb piece of work.

• 1:30:13Danny Jones?

  Seed of knowledge?

• 1:30:14Speaker 00

  Stone of Plenty, yeah, Seed of Knowledge, I think it's not, I think he died unfortunately, and the book went out of print, but you can get copies of it, but it's, it's. Blowing this is it here unbelievable he does this was before Gobekli Tepe so he didn't mention it in there but his research can be applied right I think to that area very much so um because you've got earthquake zones as well you mentioned creating this earthquake kind of thing of the pyramid right you got a whole when the earthquake happened a couple of years ago it was felt at Gobekli Tepe very slightly

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  your sausage muffin with egg didn't change your receipt did the sausage muffin with egg extra value meal includes a hash brown and a small coffee for just five dollars only at McDonald's for a limited time price and participation may vary promotion pricing may be lower than real pricing but it was felt there yeah that earthquake was devastating in fact yeah in fact

• 1:31:32Speaker 00

  in Shanlafer the nearest town nearest city to Gobekli Tepe something fell off this bell tower or something you know because it shook it slightly the the main part was in Gazi ente which is a hundred miles away or so yeah and but this and it's also felt a car a hand Tepe as well so some people and now you know I'm speculating as well based upon his work that just even the subtle earthquake kind of zones you can you know where you got you know stone rubbing together deep under the ground with these balls of lighters that could also be enhanced and manipulated to enhance seeds and grains according to John Burke yeah because you you're getting all this electric energy coming right you know things like this this electric charge I find that really

• 1:32:16Speaker 00

  intriguing and I think it fits in with Chris Dunn's theories as well you know very much so on the pyramid wow

• 1:32:26Speaker 00

  So it's all happening. I mean, so, so I mean, and this is obviously long before the pyramids technically officially.

• 1:32:31Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 1:32:32Speaker 00

  Even though people say they're.

• 1:32:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, who knows how old they are.

• 1:32:34Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, people say they're much older. And but but there's other innovations. I mean, I could just waffle on about this. I mean, there's other innovations that have been recorded in southeast Turkey, which one of them is air conditioning. The first ever air conditioning, which I hugely appreciate, was discovered at a site called Navalichori. So what what happened here is that this was about eight thousand three hundred B C. So it was a thousand so years after Gobekli Tepe.

• 1:33:03Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:33:04Speaker 00

  It's now being flooded, the whole area is gone. But this was researched by Harold Helpman, Klaus Schmidt and others back in the nineteen eighties, going into the nineties. And they found not only these sort of square enclosures there with the terrazzo floor and these amazing statues, but they also found some of the living structures where people lived. Some of them were like sixteen meters long or forty feet long and so forth. But what they found was is like it was next to what's called the Cantara Stream, which was a tributary of the Euphrates River, one of the rivers of paradise of the Bible. And they found that there were channels carved out under this house throughout all the way along it, all these different channels.

• 1:33:43Speaker 00

  And they would it would allow little sluice gates and things like this, very cold water to come in from the stream on hot days. And let them in there and then they would open up the floor part and it the cool air would cool down the environment they're in. So they could live comfortably in very hot weather.

• 1:34:00Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 1:34:01Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's very classy. And and another site called Cheanu, which is further north near Diabakar, where they possibly did these sacrifices. They found again, they found underfloor of the domestic structures, underfloor channels carved out between them. But this was for cool air to be blown to flow in and out from. So and then they would have areas where they come up into the structure. So that that one was air.

• 1:34:25Danny Jones?

  So the water would cool the air?

• 1:34:27Speaker 00

  Well, in Navaleturi, yeah, there's no evidence for the water going through the ones that channel, but the cool air may have. They think they may have been used for storage, but the Navaleturi one's fascinating.

• 1:34:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:37Speaker 00

  I mean, little, just little details like that, that just mentioned in the occasional academic text from nineteen eighty three. And to me, it's like, oh, my God. I mean, that is like innovation heaven. I mean, that is so useful as well.

• 1:34:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:52Speaker 00

  I mean, if you're boiling to death, you know, like a hundred degree heat and things like this. So little things like that really get me. Plus, you got um the fact that they they found calcium oxalate in some of the the kind of big stone bowls at Quebecli Tepe. Which is a byproduct of brewing beer. So they were brewing very low alcohol beer. This is just from actually probably accidental fermentation of barley and other substances. And um and but they had an alcoholic beverage. It was more like a gruel and it probably wasn't very tasty, you know, it's probably like you have to chew on it, you know. And um but still, they had alcohol back then and they were possibly brewing it back then. They found the the Natufian sites as well.

• 1:35:35Speaker 00

  There's even evidence up in um a site called Cortic Tepe, which is actually a bit older than Quebecli Tepe. That's further northeast. That's along, there's a whole series of sites along the Tigress River. Um which is, you know, a couple of hundred miles, three hundred miles to the northeast. But this, they found possible evidence of wine production going back again to about ten thousand years ago, maybe even older, maybe eleven thousand, twelve thousand. And uh there's actually been, someone's written a book about early kind of alcohol.

• 1:36:06Danny Jones?

  Dionysus, baby.

• 1:36:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah. And so it's called it K O R T I K, if you wanna, K O R T I K. And um they might not be on here. This was mentioned briefly in one paper or one book, so they might not mention the wine thing. But then it was proven.

• 1:36:22Danny Jones?

  What's that big thing? That like tea cut out of the ground right there?

• 1:36:26Speaker 00

  That's probably probably the site. I mean, and also you can see there, you see the kind of one on the top left there. That is some of the stonework from Cortic Tepe.

• 1:36:34Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:36:34Speaker 00

  So so this is before Quebec Lee Tepe, right? So this is about the size of your hand. It's not big, but it's three D abstract relief carving. So this could be where the ideas of all the abstract three D relief carving came from before Quebec Lee Tepe. So there's a good.

• 1:36:51Danny Jones?

  Go back to that big T shape that was cut out of that ground, that the floor that, yeah, right there on the left. What the hell's that? That's Cortec Tepe?

• 1:36:59Speaker 00

  I don't know. I think that's Hallam Semi, actually, um, another, but I think that's the arch, that's the trench they cut out.

• 1:37:05Danny Jones?

  That's where they cut the T pillar out?

• 1:37:07Speaker 00

  No, no, I think that's just the trench, the shape of the trench. I don't know. Maybe it's Cortic Tepe. Oh, yeah, because you can see some of the small circular kind of areas which they have there. This is pretty much almost been kind of semi flooded nowadays, unfortunately.

• 1:37:21Danny Jones?

  So this is a huge chunk of bedrock that's just like chilling there and they were.

• 1:37:25Speaker 00

  No, no, I think I think this is covered in mud. I think Cortic Cortic Tepe is lots of these small circular. They say domestic structures.

• 1:37:33Danny Jones?

  Ah, okay.

• 1:37:34Speaker 00

  Um, but in this area, this is where they think they found the, uh, this certainly this part of the world is where the first ever wine was produced was in Turkey. It was Eastern Turkey, Southeast Turkey. And so you've got beer, you've got wine being produced. And one of the other things that's being talked about a lot, which we're going to get into in our book, I know Graham Hancock's well into this, is the psychedelic use in Southeast Turkey. Because there's evidence at Ratifet Cave, I think it's called in Israel, where they found evidence of alcohol production there, which is, this is fourteen thousand years old, this site, by the way, it's even older. And they found possibly ergot as well from, you know, so they're they're getting ergot kind of mold growing on

• 1:38:18Speaker 00

  the old kind of beer gruel, whatever it is, or the grains. And that could have been happening at Quebec Lee Tepe because if they were brewing stuff there. And so they may have been accidentally taking a whole load of LSD with their beer gruel and.

• 1:38:32Danny Jones?

  By accident?

• 1:38:33Speaker 00

  Tripping the light fantastic, yeah. And and and to me, that is, to me, it's a logical kind of a reality to that because you look at the abstract nature of some of the the stonework at.

• 1:38:45Danny Jones?

  What the fuck is that, dude? That's the creepiest shit I've ever seen. What rat fact?

• 1:38:51Speaker 00

  Yeah, you spelled that right.

• 1:38:52Danny Jones?

  High priest of rainbow?

• 1:38:54Speaker 02

  I totally spelled it wrong.

• 1:38:56Danny Jones?

  Jesus.

• 1:38:57Speaker 00

  Yeah, look what comes up. Oh my god.

• 1:38:59Danny Jones?

  Fucking nightmare, dude. Turn that off.

• 1:39:02Speaker 00

  That's what you see if you have too much ergot, probably.

• 1:39:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, right? Oh my god.

• 1:39:07Speaker 00

  And anyway, but so you got like, you know, so that so the little innovations, some of them could have been accidental. They could have accidentally discovered like

• 1:39:13Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:39:14Speaker 00

  powerful psychedelics

• 1:39:15Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:15Speaker 00

  growing on their beer.

• 1:39:16Danny Jones?

  Growing on their food or their wheat or their beer, whatever.

• 1:39:19Speaker 00

  Cause ergot is what Albert Hofmann, you know, synthesized LSD from. It's unbelievable. And there's also mushroom symbolism throughout this area. Terence McKenna wrote about possible mushroom symbolism, possible use of cannabis at Châtelet-Hoyac, which is was the famous first city in the world for a long time until, you know, Gobekli Tepe is turned up. In fur- that's further west in Turkey. It dates to around, um.

• 1:39:45Danny Jones?

  Where's that at?

• 1:39:46Speaker 00

  Seven thousand B.C. It's near Cunha. It's in sort of central kind of Turkey.

• 1:39:51Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:39:52Speaker 00

  And, um, and that, and so that, so there's quite possibly they were really going full shamanic at this time. I think that, I think there's a strong case for that.

• 1:40:02Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:40:03Speaker 00

  And that could explain why everything's kicked off because they made these possible accidental discoveries. That kind of blew their minds and inspired them in profound ways.

• 1:40:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:13Speaker 00

  Plus they were definitely cattle there. We know that there's aurochs, different kind of bovines in that area. So in this part of the world, when you got dung of these beasts, that's where, that's where psilocybin grows. So different strains of it. And so there's lots of little possibilities like that, which really kind of intrigue me. Cause I'm always trying to work out, why did they do this? What gave them the incentive to do this? It just seems to, there's no, there's no clear reason. I mean, maybe it was the end of the younger Dryas, things were getting better, but is that really enough reason? To create these crazy abstract art carved out of stone in these temples and things like this? So I think there's more to it than meets the eye when you, when you come to that kind of, um, when you're trying to understand what they were doing.

• 1:40:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I think so too, man. There's definitely a lot of evidence for drug use throughout history, um, with every civilization. And yeah, you never know, you never know, you never know how much that stuff inspired everything they did, you know, could it inspire everything? I mean, obviously, they didn't have a have a foundational understanding of chemicals like we do and how the human body works and processes different alkaloids and chemicals and all that stuff. So to eating a mushroom and then seeing God, you've got to think that's something, you know, especially if you're living 12,000 B.C. You're gonna have a way different experience than someone's gonna have now when we actually know what the fuck's going on inside our minds.

• 1:41:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. And the geometrical nature as well. You see lots of geometry on these things and things like that. You see serpents carved everywhere as well. You see that kind of thing. You see combinations of human and animal, which you find a lot at these sites, you know, things like this.

• 1:41:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:41:54Speaker 00

  And you know, and also just the kind of, you know, inspiration for likes, you know, seeing patterns and movements in the stars, you know?

• 1:42:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:02Speaker 00

  If you're in, you know, if you get inspired by that through these different, you know, substances, that could be why they were getting into the astronomy and the solstices and laying out things in a certain way, certain geometrical forms and things like that, because, you know, who knows? But it's just a, you know, bit of speculation going on here right now. But but it's worth worth discussing.

• 1:42:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:23Speaker 00

  When you're trying to understand these people.

• 1:42:25Danny Jones?

  One day, we're gonna figure out backwards time travel and we're gonna go back there and see exactly what all these people are doing. So people won't be able to fight over it anymore. We'll know exactly what the fuck was going on.

• 1:42:34Speaker 00

  That would help, yeah.

• 1:42:35Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And we're gonna figure out that people from the future went back and built the pyramids just to confuse the fuck out of all of us that are caught in between.

• 1:42:42Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, that would be, that would be, maybe, maybe it was built by time travelers.

• 1:42:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, maybe it's built by people who are way later than we even exist.

• 1:42:52Speaker 00

  Yeah. I mean, they're abstract as well. I mean, the pyramids, man, they're proper abstract art. They're like, they're like the ultimate abstract art installation. And I see like the like a Beckley Tepin, I see them like art installations as well. They're not just temples, they're not just, they're not just like places where people lived.

• 1:43:13Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:43:13Speaker 00

  You know, they're not just where they studied the stars and the sun and the moon. Almost like it feels like there's a kind of. Art, you know, and and the thing about the artwork there, the stonework, the artwork, is that it didn't change for fifteen hundred years at least.

• 1:43:29Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:43:29Speaker 00

  It stayed the same, the same style spec, the same, almost like the same principles of artwork and design and layout, T pillars with hands.

• 1:43:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:43:39Speaker 00

  Everything stayed the same.

• 1:43:41Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:43:41Speaker 00

  Barely changed.

• 1:43:42Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:43:43Speaker 00

  That's what I found out really interesting that they came up with.

• 1:43:46Danny Jones?

  It's also similar, similar um with the the head, the giant heads on Easter Island. They have those little hands carved into the side of them, similar to the Gobekli Tepe.

• 1:43:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:43:55Danny Jones?

  T pillars.

• 1:43:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, I mean, that blows my mind. Possible connections with these other cultures as well, which people have talked about a lot. But um but I just think that the uh it's often overlooked the artistic nature. And one of the things that was discovered, you might, if you want to bring this up, you can. This is the boar statue from Gobekli Tepe. This giant boar statue um.

• 1:44:17Danny Jones?

  Boar?

• 1:44:18Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's a life-sized boar statue, like the kind of beast of the area. That was found last year at um Gobekli Tepe in enclosure D, there it is. Um and the thing about this, talking about artworks, this had red, white.

• 1:44:33Danny Jones?

  You blow that up.

• 1:44:34Speaker 00

  And black pigments on it. So they found paint all over it. And this has then opened up the whole kind of question, but all these, was this whole site painted? Was it, it wasn't just stone?

• 1:44:48Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:49Speaker 00

  You know, and so that really gets me because it's like, you know, especially red, black and white, they're the three colors found here predominantly.

• 1:44:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:57Speaker 00

  So the whole site could have been painted red, black and white, could have had other colors, a couple of other colors as well. Um that would have looked very different. Um but this is, he's holding like a head in his hand as well, what is hoofs or whatever you call it. Um. And you can still see the red pigment in his mouth.

• 1:45:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:15Speaker 00

  That's huge. I mean, that's like, you know, big, it's like the size of this table.

• 1:45:19Danny Jones?

  Is that how big that thing is?

• 1:45:20Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's huge. And everything's much bigger when you go there, you realize the scale of this.

• 1:45:25Danny Jones?

  How or what is the current plan with Go Beckley Tepe? Are they, they plan to keep digging down to try to find more? And what is additional, what is plans, if any, to excavate more of these mounds? Where they go back to Tepe?

• 1:45:43Speaker 00

  Sure. Okay. Yeah. We'll start at the Beckley Tepe. Yeah. So there's been a big drama going on about that. Um, people are claiming it's, uh, you know, this is Jimmy Corsetti. He's been talking about this. There's saying they've stopped, they've halted excavations there. Now, they've certainly slowed down since the whole COVID, COVID time for sure. But I've been there, I go there twice a year. We do, we do take groups out there and stuff. And they're constantly doing things. There's always stuff happening. They're always cleaning up, sorting things out. Yeah. The issue with Beckley Tepe is that it's buried so deep.

• 1:46:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:46:17Speaker 00

  Huge amount, like twenty, thirty feet of rubble and stone and dirt. They've got to carefully move out of the way, each stone. So I can understand why it's a bit slow. It makes sense because they've got to do it carefully. If they do one little bit of damage, they're in trouble. And so then they have to get down to the bedrock, they have to clean it all up, they have to preserve things, fix things, glue things back together in some cases.

• 1:46:40Danny Jones?

  How much deeper do you think it is?

• 1:46:41Speaker 00

  Well, I think they've reached the bedrock in the, in the main one, the area they're excavating in the southeast.

• 1:46:47Danny Jones?

  So it's not deeper.

• 1:46:48Speaker 00

  But there's a whole, there's like eight, ninety percent of it has barely been touched, which could be just as deep. So a huge amount of work needs to be done.

• 1:46:56Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:46:57Speaker 00

  But they are working on it. They found a new, they found some new carvings in enclosure B. They found, they found this last year. This was, this had a whole load of dirt just above the head of that bore.

• 1:47:07Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:47:07Speaker 00

  Since they, for years, for decades, yeah, for decades. They only just found this because they just cleared away some dirt.

• 1:47:14Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:47:15Speaker 00

  And so that, that really kind of gets me. And so that, so they are working away slowly. They're new, a new. A bit of information has just come out from the head of the whole kind of Tastepola kind of, um, you know, uh, cult, uh, people that are organizing it. And they're saying that they are now going to remove some trees because some trees have been planted up there controversially by the landowners, which was done partly to, it gives them more value on their own property. Um, but they're going to remove some trees to start excavating new areas. This is actually being announced. But I don't know if it's been publicly announced, but we saw the Turkish announcement of it. So more is going to start to be done for sure.

• 1:47:53Speaker 00

  And I think they're being kind of pressured into it a little bit from the, the general public because of, you know, Jimmy's been doing pushing, you know, that they're not doing enough. And in a way they're not, they really, they really could do a lot more. I mean, I really want to see the whole place excavated. But they're saying they're not going to do it. They're going to leave it for future generations. But luckily, Carahantepay, they're going for it. You know, it's like, oh yeah, they're blasting through it. They're not messing around. They've got like loads of people up there working on it for like half the year, pretty much. I think they extended the dig all the way into, um, uh, right up until November. Yeah, they put it in the museum. Yeah.

• 1:48:30Danny Jones?

  Oh shit.

• 1:48:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, they had, they had, I think they kind of had to really, uh, keep it safe. Um, because they're excavating all around it and all.

• 1:48:38Danny Jones?

  Look at the toucan. You see that little toucan?

• 1:48:40Speaker 00

  Oh, there's all sorts in that museum. It's crazy. Oh yeah, that's in, that's supposed to be a, a vulture.

• 1:48:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, a vulture. Yeah.

• 1:48:46Speaker 00

  Carahantepay. That was one of the new discoveries. That's about two and a half feet tall. And, um, but yeah, so now they're, so now they're working on Carahantepay, which is insane, amazing place. And also now working, oh, focused on that part. Yeah.

• 1:49:01Danny Jones?

  And this guy's got short, short little stubby chodes.

• 1:49:07Danny Jones?

  I wonder what that's about. Why are they showing their dicks?

• 1:49:10Speaker 00

  Well, I think it's, we think it's fertility. We think it's fertility. There's fertility rights going on here. Myself and JJ have been working on that as a kind of possibility because it fits in with other traditions, um, from other cultures.

• 1:49:23Danny Jones?

  Are you familiar with Mark John Allegro?

• 1:49:26Speaker 00

  Yes, I am. Yeah, yeah. The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.

• 1:49:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, I'm aware of his work very much. So yeah, I've read all that.

• 1:49:32Danny Jones?

  Pretty wild.

• 1:49:32Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, that fits in.

• 1:49:34Danny Jones?

  Jesus Christ was a psychedelic mushroom.

• 1:49:36Speaker 00

  Yeah, I mean, this fits in. This weirdly fits in with a lot of this kind of era stuff, in my opinion. That a lot of the symbolism and mythologies come from that kind of psychedelic kind of inspirations. But the other sites are being excavated. There's one really interesting one called Sayburc, which is S A Y B U R C, with a little thing on the C. You might want to check that out. And that is a fascinating site. Yeah, and you see, yeah, you see like any of the images there. I've probably got one of mine up there somewhere. And this is a whole thing going on. This is like the second part of the excavation.

• 1:50:14Danny Jones?

  They're probably getting ready to build a neighborhood here or something like that. And the archaeologists had to come out and survey it, and they found this.

• 1:50:19Speaker 00

  Well, the thing about this is that most of the site is buried under a village. They've actually demolished one of the houses.

• 1:50:27Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:50:28Speaker 00

  Yeah, if you go on the one on the left there, you see, you see that's like indoors on the, no, no, on the left. Not that bit. The panel there with a 3D. Again, he's holding his phallus as well.

• 1:50:37Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:50:38Speaker 00

  And.

• 1:50:39Danny Jones?

  Click on them.

• 1:50:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, click on one of them. And so that you see, that's under a structure, that's under a house. But that house has been removed now. This is all open. You know, I can, I've got, we went there recently and they've removed the entire house.

• 1:50:54Danny Jones?

  It looks like some sort of like wild beast.

• 1:50:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:50:57Danny Jones?

  Attacking somebody.

• 1:50:58Speaker 00

  On the left, you've got a auroch, you've got a guy jumping, holding something in his hand. Then you've got two leopards.

• 1:51:04Danny Jones?

  Oh, look at the, yeah, look at the leopard eating the guy or getting ready to.

• 1:51:07Speaker 00

  Yeah, trying to go for the guy.

• 1:51:08Danny Jones?

  For the guy who's having a wank.

• 1:51:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, that's a polite way of putting it. Yeah, yeah. But this is, again, this is like full of symbolism. The archaeologists claim this is what's called a narrative scene. Where there's a different process of like, kind of teaching almost going on here. I think it's astronomical. I think it's like, you know, Taurus, you've got Orion the hunter. You've got leopards, which could be Leo and things like this. There's a lot of this kind of symbolism seems to match what's, you know, constellations and other such things. And this is all carved out of bedrock, like we find in Karahanteppe. So there's a huge amount going on here. There's even an underground area here as well, which you can actually go inside. And deep, you know, it's almost like Derenquy, like a small, small section of an underground city.

• 1:51:54Speaker 00

  And they found all sorts of things here. So this is completely carved out of bedrock, this whole thing. It's incredible. And uh, and they're gonna hopefully excavate the whole thing over the next couple of years. There's more sites, there's other sites like Yandlajoyak, which is gonna be proved to be bigger than Gobekli Tepe. There's um, it's like Chakmakhteppe, which is older than Gobekli Tepe, all in the, all these little sites east of um. Pretty much, I think, sorry, west, just west of um, Gobekli Tepe and Shanlerfa. And there's like twelve official Tastapola sites, but really there are probably thirty-eight people are saying now.

• 1:52:35Speaker 00

  So there's all sorts of different um, there's different stuff coming. And it's all, it's all very similar. It's all got the same design. It's almost like the same artist, but these are all, these stretch over one and a half thousand, two thousand years.

• 1:52:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:52:51Speaker 00

  But they're all unique as well. They're all unique, but they've all got the same style. A bit like in Egypt, you know, you get the same kind of look. In the Mayan stuff, you get the same look. But it goes through multiple different sites and eras. And that's happening in this part of the world as well. It's a very specific. Design spec. I mean, it must be some genius level people coming up with the first batch. Of the designs at like Gobekli Tepe and other places that then kind of spread through this whole area. And why they would build so many sites in such a kind of relatively small area is baffling. Here, on the, on the one on the left there, you've got on the bottom left, you've got like these small enclosures are being found with like, they're only like. Fifteen feet wide or less.

• 1:53:35Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:53:36Speaker 00

  With like seven or eight pillars, T pillars around the edge with one in the middle. You've got like, the skeletons were found at this place as well, actually.

• 1:53:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:45Speaker 00

  I found a whole bunch of skeletons here recently, kind of, there's no official, like, elaborate burials of this culture.

• 1:53:52Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:53:53Speaker 00

  Hasn't been found yet, anyway. They found some bones, some skeletons in various places. They found worked, they found actually skulls in Guebecli Tepe that are being kind of worked, like, trupanned, and had holes cut through them and things like this, and be removed from the spine and things like this.

• 1:54:10Danny Jones?

  I think I remember, um, the Sneak Bros were showing me that stuff.

• 1:54:13Speaker 00

  Yeah, so that's weird. I mean, basically, you've got, um, what could be a skull cult, they call it.

• 1:54:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:19Speaker 00

  You get the same kind of thing. You get, you get caches of skulls at Cheano as well. Um, another site. But yeah, so there's a whole, I mean, this is just, it's all happening. I mean, this, this is it. This is the time of like, discovery of this culture. This is happening now. You can go there, you can see it being excavated. It's like going back a few hundred years into like, Egypt, where stuff was still covered up by sand, or, you know, the jungles of Guatemala.

• 1:54:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:54:46Speaker 00

  Finding Takala, the Mayan temples as you hack through.

• 1:54:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:54:50Speaker 00

  This is happening now, in this rocky landscape of southeast Turkey. This is like, the time of discovery.

• 1:54:55Danny Jones?

  This is cool. This is cool stuff, man. And I think it's a, I think it's a great thing that Graham's getting such, such much more wide attention, getting another season of his show on Netflix.

• 1:55:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:55:06Danny Jones?

  With, uh, and Keanu Reeves likes it too, that's fun.

• 1:55:09Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:55:09Danny Jones?

  Um, and it's making it more, uh, it's making it more available to people, and it's getting more people interested into it, which will hopefully bring in more funding to stuff like this, and digging up and finding more sites, and making more discoveries, and maybe even pushing back the timeline farther than we have imagined up till now.

• 1:55:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:55:31Danny Jones?

  It's cool shit, man. Um.

• 1:55:34Danny Jones?

  Where can people find your YouTube channel and find your books and all the stuff that you're doing?

• 1:55:39Speaker 00

  Sure, yeah, they can, uh, they can just search for me, Hugh Newman. Um, they can go to megalithomania.co.uk. They can, um, I've got a big, yeah, we've got a YouTube channel. We've got a couple of hundred thousand subscribers. Uh, this is Megalithomania UK. And yeah, we have a whole bunch of, um, I've just recently published a video about Jericho. Again, that's, that's, that's a very cool site.

• 1:56:00Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:56:00Speaker 00

  That's actually got a summer solstice sunset alignment as well, dating back to eight thousand three hundred B.C. Which is pretty epic. Um, and yeah, we've got, yeah, we have a whole bunch of, um, lectures. We run conferences. We've got the Origins Conference we do in November in England in Wiltshire. We do the big Megalithomania thing in, um, conference in May. If people want to come over and hang out, that's the one, that's the one we've got coming up. And we've got some really cool speakers. Um, yeah, but you know, it's a whole, uh, we're like a project. We do conferences, we do tours, you know, places like the Begli Tepe and all that. We, we want to get out there constantly.

• 1:56:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:40Speaker 00

  Check what's going on. It's great to show people around because they're like, whoa, you know, what the hell is this? And so, yeah, so we're kind of busy here. We're doing a lot of things, but they can just check out Hugh Newman or Megalithomania.

• 1:56:52Danny Jones?

  Beautiful.

• 1:56:52Speaker 00

  All right.

• 1:56:53Danny Jones?

  Thanks for your time.

• 1:56:54Speaker 00

  Thank you.

• 1:56:55Danny Jones?

  All the way over here in the U.S. Going home back to the U.K. tomorrow?

• 1:56:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, tomorrow night, yeah.

• 1:56:59Danny Jones?

  Cool. Well, yeah, again, I really appreciate it. And, uh, everything's linked below, folks. Good night.

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