Cenk Uygur: Epstein, JFK, 9-11, Israel’s Terrorism and the Consequences of Opposing It

Most Americans just want to live in a sovereign country that cares about them. That’s not a partisan position. It’s a baseline demand. Cenk Uygur explains. (00:00) Why Cenk Said Yes to This Conversation (02:37) Israel, The Gaza Genocide and Media Gaslighting (16:18) The Israeli Lobby (1:09:16) The Death of Free Speech (1:16:17) The Consequences of Opposing Israel Paid partnerships with: Masa Chips: Get 25% off with code TUCKER at https://masachips.com/tucker Amazon MGM Studios: Tickets for Melania are now available. Exclusively in theaters January 30: http://melaniamovie.com Liberty Safe: Shop for premium American made safes at https://LibertySafe.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:58Tucker Carlson?

  Good to see you, Jank.

• 0:59Speaker 02

  Good to see you, Tucker.

• 1:00Tucker Carlson?

  I haven't seen you since we had a debate years ago, I think, at Politicon. Totally different world. But I was thinking this morning as I was driving in, I'm like, hmm, of all the things you could do to infuriate your audience, this is probably at the top of the list. Like, you don't need to do this. Why are you doing this?

• 1:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, so there's a couple of reasons why. Number one, I want to take yes for an answer. You're anti-war. We've been anti-war for 20 years.

• 1:24Tucker Carlson?

  I have not been, so bless you for that.

• 1:26Speaker 02

  Thank you, brother, and welcome.

• 1:28Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you. Glad to be here.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  And so that's amazing, that's important. And I also want to break down the barriers of Republicans versus Democrats, right wing versus left wing. I think that it's kind of used to divide us. And I think that the powerful already have an incredible elite team. They're very, very organized, and they do it through donations to the politicians, et cetera. But the American people are not organized. We have built two teams, but those two teams, the Republicans and the Democrats, have been trained to fight each other instead of fighting up.

• 2:04Tucker Carlson?

  Right? Exactly.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  And so when you split the population that way, you take away all of their energy, because you have them use their energy against one another rather than against you. It's actually brilliant.

• 2:17Tucker Carlson?

  It's how the British ruled India.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Exactly, right?

• 2:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  And it's done on a meta-level in every way. Also, by the way, on a global level, Christians versus Muslims. 2 billion here, 2 billion there. Make sure you guys are fighting. One another and hey, look at that. We've used up all your energy fighting one another and not looking up.

• 2:35Tucker Carlson?

  I've noticed, yeah.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  Okay, so and then of course, the third issue is Israel. And so that's what I want to talk to you a lot about today, I hope. And I think that that's an animating issue for a number of reasons. Not because it's the end all be all, but because it is deeply symbolic. And so whether it's Big Pharma or Big Oil or AIPAC, they are buying our politicians. And so you're a rare person saying that. I'm a person saying that. And and they mainstream media works against us and they try to shut us up and say, don't tell anybody about money and politics.

• 3:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 3:11Speaker 02

  No, no, these politicians are honest and honorable people having debates. They're not having any debates. They're cashing checks. And so I want all of America to know that. And and at the end of the day, Tucker, if we don't unite as Americans, the powerful are going to rule us forever.

• 3:27Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's exactly, that is absolutely true. So let's just start with motive. I hate going to motive because it's like, we don't even know our own motives a lot of the time, right? Motive is very hard to determine. But when this topic comes up, people go immediately to motive. You're taking money from somebody, a foreign power. Okay. You're a secret, you have got some secret religious affiliation. You're filled with hate. It's all about why you have these views rather than addressing the views themselves. I've just noticed this, having lived it. And so I just want to ask you about Israel specifically. How did you come to this and what are your motives?

• 4:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, so it's a difficult for me, one for me because I have, I grew up in a town that was about 50% Jewish. So I have tons of Jewish friends. I have Jewish family. I have a nephew and niece who are Jewish.

• 4:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 4:18Speaker 02

  And so I don't want to make people uncomfortable and and I don't want this to be about the Jews. That's crazy. And what I tell people all the time is, Hey, listen, I like my friend Dave, my friend Jack, Musa never called him an aspirant, right? Netanyahu was never like, hey, should we take 53% of Gaza? What do you think, Dave?

• 4:39Speaker 02

  So that's not how it works. So if you're so I anyone who's got that intent, I'm not interested in. Okay, you're not going to have me as an ally. It's not going to work out. I have Jewish family. I have Jewish friends. I'll never sell them out. Okay. So and the other thing about Jewish Americans is they're Americans and we're, I believe in a united America. Okay. So you're for America. I love you and I protect you. I'll give you one last example, although I can give you thousands, right? But Dave Smith, Dave Smith is an amazing ally of ours.

• 5:10Tucker Carlson?

  Wonderful man.

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Yeah. So if you come for Dave, you come for all of us. He's one of us. Okay. We protect our own Americans. Right. So now, why do I have an issue with Israel then? Even though I would actually naturally want to ally with Israel, yes, into all the Jewish friends and family that I have, right? And I didn't know a lot of Palestinians growing up. I only knew one Palestinian. We had one in our high school. We had hundreds of Jewish folks who loved Israel, etc., right? The problem with Israel isn't just the genocide that they just committed, but that would be enough. That is a horrific injustice.

• 5:45Tucker Carlson?

  In Gaza.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  In Gaza. I mean, you've got it well over 70,000 dead. You've got God knows how many thousands buried in the rubble and they're adding to the count every day. You've got 10% of the entire population that was either killed or injured, which is a stunning number. That's why almost all every genocide scholar says it's obviously a genocide, right?

• 6:06Tucker Carlson?

  10% of the entire population?

• 6:07Speaker 02

  Yes, either killed or injured. Okay.

• 6:10Tucker Carlson?

  That'd be over 200,000.

• 6:12Speaker 02

  Yes, that's right. Because the amount injured are well over 130,000.

• 6:17Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, just to be clear on that, like, that's a number that we should know, I think, since we paid for it. And I think it's so important to know what death tolls and and the injury count is because you did this and you have to know what the consequences are. I think it's totally fair. We don't know in the Russia Ukraine war, we have no idea. And we have no idea in Gaza. And I so I just want to Say that there are estimates that it's over half a million. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's the point. We should know that.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:43Tucker Carlson?

  We have a right to know that.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  So Tucker, that's going to go to points two and three, uh, which

• 6:48Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, I could have just erupted with him. He started to erupt.

• 6:51Speaker 02

  No, no, not at all, not at all. But I want to come back to that because two and three are super important because it's symbolic of the power that all the donor class has, not just Israel. But also with Israel, you have gaslighting that is extreme, uh, where you don't have that in any other

• 7:07Tucker Carlson?

  Can you explain what that is?

• 7:08Speaker 02

  So, uh, you'll say, hey, uh, I don't think we should give Israel another $30 billion or another 100 billion. I want to get into all these numbers in a second, right? And they'll say antisemite. Now, so wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense. Like, uh, you, we could mad lib this, right? You take any Israeli talking point and put in a different country and it sounds absurd, right? Like you owe Thailand $300 billion. People will be like, well, no, we don't. Anti-Tai racist, right? You're like, what? I don't even know any Thai people. What are you talking about? You're an anti-Taiist, right? I'm not, right?

• 7:46Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you hate Thailand?

• 7:47Speaker 02

  Exactly. But that's, see, but

• 7:49Tucker Carlson?

  You're obsessed with Thailand. That's my favorite. You're obsessed with Thailand. Okay.

• 7:54Speaker 02

  Well, I, by the way, I would be obsessed with Thailand if Thailand took $300 billion off of us, right? And if Thailand was like, you have to attack everyone else in Southeast Asia. You know, we have a Thai Christian heritage.

• 8:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 8:07Speaker 02

  And imagine if India did that. And they're like, we have a Hindu Christian heritage. And that's why you need to attack Pakistan.

• 8:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. And by the way, if you're not for attacking Pakistan, you're clearly being paid by Bhutan.

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, of course.

• 8:20Tucker Carlson?

  People who are getting, who are working for a foreign government accusing you, who just want to stay out of it, of working for a foreign government. Is that what gaslighting is?

• 8:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Gaslighting is when the media, uh, says, takes something very reasonable you're saying and makes it sound like it's crazy. Like, so we say, we gave them $21.7 billion in the middle of a genocide. Okay. So that's on top of the 300 billion, right? And that's, by the way, 10 to 12 billion, we spent bombing Iran, Yemen, and almost all their enemies in the same period of time. We just gave them another 8.6 billion and another 3.3 billion. That happened in the last two weeks. So when you say, let's just take one sliver of that. Hey, I didn't want to pay for a genocide. I didn't want to do that, right? Whether it was the Thai, the Bulgarians, the Israelis.

• 9:05Tucker Carlson?

  Doesn't matter.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  I just, I don't, I don't want to kill 20,000 children. I don't want you to spend my money killing 20,000 children. I don't care what race or religion they are.

• 9:13Tucker Carlson?

  Why are you so hateful?

• 9:15Speaker 02

  Exactly. And that's literally what they say.

• 9:18Tucker Carlson?

  No, I'm against killing kids. They didn't do anything, actually.

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. And they say, so you hate Jews? That's gaslighting, right? Right? That's, so wait.

• 9:27Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I live in that country. Yeah, I know what that is.

• 9:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I'm the one trying to stop the killing. I'm for nonviolence. In fact, I'm religiously for nonviolence. If I have any religion at all, it's nonviolence. My hero is Martin Luther King and Gandhi and Mandela. And so I say, do not do any violence to anyone. It would be, in fact, if someone is doing violence, they're against us, right? And I say, and don't, and you just heard me say it. I say it a thousand times. I love Jewish people. This is not about the Jews. So, but this country wants us to pay for a genocide. I just don't want to pay for a genocide. They listen to all that and they go, now everybody understand that J.K. is an anti-Semite who hates Jews and is like an immoral person. And if you're not pro-genocide, you're anti-Jewish. No, no, no, don't say that. Don't say that

• 10:10Speaker 02

  because you're actually going to get my Jewish friends hurt. When you say you're anti-genocide means you're anti-Jewish, that equates Judaism with genocide. Don't, don't. I don't know anything that drives up antisemitism more than that. But, but back to the original injustice and then we'll get back to more and more gaslighting because the gaslighting is another perfect symbol of what mainstream media does and establishment media does, right? They gaslight on almost every issue. So, real quick, one more, like Big Pharma, we can't negotiate drug prices. They're like, that's pro-free markets.

• 10:44Tucker Carlson?

  No negotiation.

• 10:46Speaker 02

  Wait.

• 10:46Tucker Carlson?

  It's capitalism.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  Not being able to negotiate prices is the exact opposite of the free markets. Everything on television is a lie. It's all an illusion.

• 10:55Tucker Carlson?

  That's very funny. I've never really thought about it like that, but that is so true.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  I mean, why are we not rebelling against the biggest socialist or communist program in American history that we're not allowed to negotiate drug prices? What kind of absurdity is that? And we're the only country on earth that, that, that applies to. So. It's just they're they're they're like magicians established from media. CNN, MSNBC, Fox, New York Times, Washington Post. They're like, look here, look here. Meanwhile, the action's going on here.

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• 14:31Tucker Carlson?

  Well, the original argument, as I remember, I was never involved in this, but I was in, you know, libertarian adjacent world, a lot of my life. And so I remember hearing that argument and I remember thinking, yeah, what, what is that? And they were like, no, no, no. If you are allowed to negotiate drug prices, you will kill pharma innovation in the United States and we lead the world in innovation. I'm like, okay, I guess. I didn't realize that a lot of pharmas is poison anyway. This is before the Sacklers, you know, killed a lot of people in Appalachia. And I was like, okay, but then you watch pharma offshore, like they offshored, like New Jersey, you grew up in New Jersey was a pharma stronghold, you know, Baskin Rigs, that whole area is filled with pharma companies are making the drugs that they are not anymore. We don't make antibiotics, we don't make vitamin C, we don't make all these drugs because they offshored them.

• 15:15Tucker Carlson?

  So we protected them from fair competition by eliminating negotiation and they left anyway. So like what? What's the upside here?

• 15:24Speaker 02

  I gave you a thousand examples. We gave the semiconductor industry $50 some odd billion under Biden. That was the CHIPS act and all the Democrats are like, he's FDR 2.0. I'm like, guys, that's a $50 billion corporate subsidy. Okay. And did we put any guardrails in? So did we say, hey, Intel, here's at least eight of the 50 billion going straight to you. Might have been 12 in that ballpark. So now as conditioned to that, you're supposed to build here in America. So you can't fire any Americans. If you fire any Americans, then obviously we're not going to give you the money. Cause ostensible reason for us giving you the money is to build a semiconductor industry here in America.

• 16:03Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Right? Intel fired 8,000 people right after the bill passed because there's no guardrails. Cause why?

• 16:09Tucker Carlson?

  8,000 Americans?

• 16:11Speaker 02

  8,000 Americans, of course, immediately. They fired him immediately. It's a joke. The whole thing's a joke. None of the politicians mean it and the people that allow them to get away with all of this. So, so all that is the robbery. Right? Mainstream media is the getaway car. Okay. So they come in and they make excuses. Oh, FDR 2.0. It's brilliant to give away your money to the semiconductor industry. It's brilliant to give it away to big pharma and to Israel. And if anybody, anybody objects, they're conspiracy theorists and anti Semites. Et cetera. Their job is not to cover the news, it's to cover up the news. So, I mean, again, look at.

• 16:44Tucker Carlson?

  That is literally true.

• 16:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. So Obama ran a campaign called, a campaign ad called Billy back in 2008. And it was about the deal to not negotiate drug prices. It was outrageous. Everyone hated it. A Democrat named Billy Taushen had negotiated it in Congress. That's why the ad was called Billy. And Obama was saying, I'm not going to be like those Democrats. Right?

• 17:06Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  He got in, said, we're not negotiating drug prices. Trump said, we're going to negotiate drug prices. Not going to negotiate drugs.

• 17:12Tucker Carlson?

  So I knew Billy Tozian really well, a wonderful guy from Shack Bay, Louisiana. Just a really charming guy. I used to hunt with him a lot and I always loved him, still do. But he went from Congress to, do you know what his next job was?

• 17:25Speaker 02

  Lobbyist.

• 17:26Tucker Carlson?

  Head of?

• 17:27Speaker 02

  Uh, big pharma.

• 17:28Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. He was the head pharma lobbyist.

• 17:30Speaker 02

  And that's my point, Tucker.

• 17:31Tucker Carlson?

  Not attacking him, but that, that happened. I was there. Like what?

• 17:36Speaker 02

  So mainstream media looks at that and goes, no, I don't see it.

• 17:41Tucker Carlson?

  I don't see.

• 17:42Speaker 02

  I don't. Big Pharma gives more like four times more than the Israeli lobby does. And they're like, no, I don't see it. I'm like, isn't the adage follow the money? Like, so here is an industry giving billions of dollars to politicians. That's a lot of money.

• 17:56Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  5,000 at a time, right? And then to super PACs, et cetera. They seem like they're bribing almost all of Congress. Nope, nope. Conspiracy theory. I had a.

• 18:04Tucker Carlson?

  Cause they're bribing all the media too with drug.

• 18:06Speaker 02

  Of course. That's their number one advertisers are drug companies. Number two advertisers, by the way, are politicians. Why do they always say that politicians are honest and they're having real debates? Cause politicians are actually their top clients. So when you spend $17 billion in money in politics, where does it go? It goes almost all to establishment media to buy ads. So the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are the best clients that CNN, New York Times have. So they are always talking about how great the Republican and Democratic Parties are, how terrible primaries are, primaries use up that money. We didn't get all those bribes to send it, spend it in a primary.

• 18:48Speaker 02

  We got it to have a fake fight in the general election where you have the lesser of two evils. Ha ha, we got you. So that's, you can, that's the Rosetta Stone, money in politics. Once you see that, you see how politics works and you also see how media works. Which then leads us back to Israel. So we say, guys, it, they have contributed, Guardian did a piece on this. The Israeli lobby has contributed to 94% of Congress. Okay, first, do you think they did that for their health? For the general welfare? Or do you think that every group they have is named after Israel? Because the whole point is to support Israel, right? That's not a complicated question. It's the American Israeli Political Action Committee. It's got Israel. One of the groups is called Democratic Majority for Israel.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  They ran $4 million worth of ads against Nina Turner, which is one of Bernie Sanders' campaign shares, to make sure that she was defeated by Chantel Brown. Chantel Brown was one of 11 people running against Nina Turner, had almost no ratings at all. Nina had a 35-point lead, she was running against the Lilliputians. Chantel Brown puts a statement on her website saying how much she loves Israel. Boom, $4 million appears. All in favor of Chantel Brown, all against Nina Turner. That's her raising her hand saying, "I will work for Israel."

• 20:03Tucker Carlson?

  And what happened in the end?

• 20:05Speaker 02

  They erased a 35-point lead, they bought every ad in Cleveland, and most importantly, they got mainstream media to say, "Now, remember, Nina Turner hates Joe Biden, so she loves Donald Trump." Now, that's Cleveland voters, they don't want that, right? Now, is that true? No, she has said a statement that voting for Biden is like eating a half bowl of shit. But, okay, but she said, "But, voting for Trump is like eating a full bowl of shit." So, what am I gonna do? I'll eat the half, right? They never, ever put the second half of the statement in. They just said in every news story, whether it's on TV or in the newspapers, "Nina Turner says voting for Biden is eating a half bowl of shit."

• 20:50Speaker 02

  She's so a Trump favorite, but how could she be pro-Trump? The rest of the sentence says, "He's twice as bad." So, people in mainstream media are giant liars. They've lied about me all the time, they lie about Republicans, Democrats, but mainly they lie to protect the donor class. So then, again, back to Israel, and because it's such a perfect symbol, 94% of Congress, it's not 34%, you had 34%, you could say, "Yeah, they have a lot of control, that's a lot of money that they're giving to a third of our Congress." At 64%, you'd say, "Come on, they have enormous power if not control." And 94%, it's clearly control. Further, part of that Guardian story is...

• 21:29Speaker 02

  Eighty-two percent of Congress votes basically with Israel every single time. That eighty-two percent on average gets a hundred, just in that last election, let alone all the other ones, a hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars per member of Congress. Now, establishment media says that's not a bribe. They're just talking to one another. "Oh, hey, how you doing? Here's a hundred and twenty-five thousand dollars so you'll vote for Israel." But it's not so you'll vote for Israel, it's so you can have a better debate or whatever. And they're like, "Of course, that's not a bribe." And they don't control those members. "Well, how come they vote with Israel every single time? Why don't you follow the money?" I thought the old adage of journalism was "Follow the money." And every time we ask you to follow the money, you call us an anti-Semite.

• 22:14Speaker 02

  That's really, really weird. That's a super weird thing to do. Again, Mad Lib, fill in any other country. Imagine that Bulgaria was giving to ninety-four percent of Congress.

• 22:27Tucker Carlson?

  Or Great Britain, or Sweden.

• 22:28Speaker 02

  Or any country.

• 22:29Tucker Carlson?

  Doesn't matter.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter. And you said, "Well, it seems like the Bulgarians have ninety-four percent of our Congress locked up." "How dare you, anti-Bulgarian racist, you bulgarest." It would be absurd. It would be absurd. So of course you have to point this out. So, and what have they gotten in return for the hundreds of millions that AIPAC and other Israeli lobby organizations have put into Congress? At this point, they've probably put in over a billion dollars collectively over all those years. So, well, what they've gotten back is over three hundred billion dollars in funding through the lifetime of Israel, adjusted for inflation. That's before October seventh. October seventh, we add that twenty-one point seven.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  You could argue ten or twelve billion more for the wars we're fighting for them. Those are not free. Every time we drop a bomb on Iran, or Yemen, or Nigeria, it costs us money.

• 23:22Tucker Carlson?

  Or Iraq.

• 23:23Speaker 02

  Or Iraq.

• 23:24Tucker Carlson?

  That's why we did that.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. But, look, if you get into that, the global war on terror, which is, if we're being honest, the global war against Israel's enemies. Costs us eight trillion dollars.

• 23:35Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  So Israel's lucky if we don't count that eight trillion.

• 23:37Tucker Carlson?

  It's why we're bankrupt.

• 23:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:39Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  I mean, here we are at thirty eight trillion. And Tucker, that's the other amazing part. So now, in the last two weeks, they given, Trump gave another eight point six billion, totally unaccounted. Where's that eight point six billion coming from? Did anybody ever vote for that eight point six billion? And then unabated, he gave another three point three billion. Where is this money coming from? Is anybody voting on this? What is going on?

• 24:02Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's, yeah, it's, these are IOUs to countries that are buying our treasuries.

• 24:07Speaker 02

  Exactly. So that's the next layer of it. So you're telling us we have to borrow money from China and Japan so we can give money for free to Israel? And then we pay the interest for the rest of our lives? And they don't pay any interest? Well, why don't they borrow it from China and Japan?

• 24:25Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Why are we borrowing it and give it to them?

• 24:28Tucker Carlson?

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• 25:35Tucker Carlson?

  And, but, can I ask you a question that really bothers me? Why don't people who support Israel or any foreign cause pay for the cause themselves? Like, there are a lot of very rich people, I know some, I like some, who are, you know, profoundly pro-Israel and really think about it a lot, care about it a lot, have friends and family, they're great. Why don't they, and some of these people are worth billions and billions and billions. Why don't they, why do taxpayers have to pay for this? Why don't they just donate the money to Israel? I'd never have understood that and no one will answer that question.

• 26:07Speaker 02

  Because of leverage and economies of scale. So let's take Larry Ellison as an example. So to be fair to Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle, he actually did the thing that you say. He gave $16 million to the IDF in the middle of the genocide as a donation.

• 26:22Tucker Carlson?

  How about 5 billion? I mean, that's $16 million for, it's not much, actually.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I'm going to get back to that. So he's like, hey, genocide, well done. Keep genociding. Here's 16 million more. It's a really, it's an outrageous thing to do, but okay, you love Israel. You love that they're committing a genocide against Palestinians. You despise Palestinians. You're deeply racist and you, you're bigoted against Muslims. That's your business, Larry Ellison. Okay. So, but now he thinks, wait a minute. What if I give to American politicians? And then instead of me giving the 5 billion or the 50 billion, we get the sucker American taxpayers to give it. Right? So now how can I do that? It's actually simple.

• 27:00Tucker Carlson?

  It's so dishonorable that I can, I can't really even fit that in my head.

• 27:04Speaker 02

  To, to folks.

• 27:04Tucker Carlson?

  I don't force other people to pay for charities I support. I mean, I support them because I support them. I mean, that's what integrity is. I can't imagine sticking a gun in someone's face and say, you have to donate to my charity.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, and in this case, it's not a charity. It's a different government.

• 27:20Tucker Carlson?

  That you believe in, you know?

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. So then, Dropsite News has done some terrific reporting and they found emails of Ahud Barak, the former prime minister of Israel and, and others.

• 27:30Tucker Carlson?

  Can I say it? Dropsite News has done some amazing reporting.

• 27:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. Fantastic.

• 27:34Tucker Carlson?

  It's unbelievable.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  And in fact, the way that established media is not covering their stories shows you what a joke it is.

• 27:40Tucker Carlson?

  Dropsite News breaks more stor, I didn't really, wasn't really sure what it was until recently. They're breaking more stories than the New York Times, Washington Post put together by far.

• 27:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's not an accident. That's because they're trying to break stories.

• 27:52Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, they are.

• 27:53Speaker 02

  Is trying to do the opposite. And Epstein's stories are amazing and we should get back to that.

• 27:58Tucker Carlson?

  They're unbelievable. I'm sorry to interrupt. Just wanted to say that.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  No, no, absolutely. So Dropsite News found the emails of Larry Ellison talking to the Israeli ambassador. And he says, this is back in 2016, 2015, 2016, that campaign. And he says, I'm going to go vet Marco Rubio for. Israel. Now, remember Larry Ellison is ostensibly an American. Okay, but he doesn't, he's talking to the Israeli ambassador and says, I'm going to make sure Marco Rubio is on Israel's side. Then he goes and talks to him at a party. He comes back and then reports back to the Israeli ambassador. Don't worry, he's on our side. I'm giving him five million for his super PAC. By the way, at that time, that's against Donald Trump.

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Okay, so that's Larry Ellison saying, I'm basically buying Marco Rubio on behalf of Israel. So that doesn't even go to Marco Rubio's AIPAC tracker. On an AIPAC tracker, he's over a million dollars from the Israeli lobby. But they've got all this secret money in their super PACs and the all the other things that they have. And in that case, he's caught because we have his emails. So don't tell me he's not working for the Israelis when we have emails showing he works for the Israelis. And then what is the consequence of that? Hey, look at that Marco Rubio Secretary of State. And now we're going to war against Iran, maybe Venezuela, we're doing everything that Israel wants. And so that's a nice break they caught. What a coincidence. And by the way, this is not a partisan issue.

• 29:22Speaker 02

  You had Obama's former speechwriter go out the other day and say, we probably over taught the Holocaust to our kids. Okay, this woman, I think Sarah Hurwitz, but if I've got the name wrong.

• 29:33Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 29:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's off the top of my head of who she is, but she Obama's speechwriter. And she says, we should, we, we taught them the Nazis were strong and oppressed the weak. But now Israel is strong and targeting the weak. So we shouldn't teach that anymore. I'm like, do you hear yourself? Do you hear what you're saying? And then at Free Press, somebody wrote an article about, oh, our kids, they're against genocide now. What did we do wrong? You didn't do anything wrong. You told them a wonderful thing. You told them, you taught them Jewish culture. Never again stick up for the underdog, question authority.

• 30:08Tucker Carlson?

  You can't murder innocents. I mean, that is, that's like a baseline. You can't murder people who didn't do anything wrong. Because it is murder. There's no justification for killing innocent people ever.

• 30:18Speaker 02

  So if you think about it, let's just take the Marco Rubio example. And I'm not putting it all on Rubio. It's a giant institution and infrastructure. And like I said, it's 94% of Congress, right? But you put in five million to Marco Rubio, a decade later, he's Secretary of State. And in the middle of your genocide, you got $21.7 billion. Now, if you're Larry Ellison, do you want to put in the 21 billion yourself? Or do you want to put in five million to a politician? And then you get the 21 billion for free.

• 30:46Tucker Carlson?

  The problem is that it it treats the people who are giving the money against their will. There's never been a vote on this. It would if there was a national referendum on it, should we be sending tens of billions of dollars to a country, not our own, of course, it would do it fail immediately. But it treats those people very badly as kind of subhuman, like who cares what they think? We're just going to take their money in debt, their children unto the generations. And it's just the contempt that that displays for Americans is unsettling to me.

• 31:16Speaker 02

  So I have a proposal on that, Tucker. So why don't we do a poll? And I challenged CNN, New York Times, Gallup, anyone to do this poll. And if none of them accept the challenge, then we'll do the poll. We'll commission the poll and then we'll see. And then they could verify it if they like. And the poll is, does America owe Israel any more money? Because every pundit on television say, we owe Israel. We owe Israel. They never explain why, right?

• 31:42Tucker Carlson?

  You really say that?

• 31:44Speaker 02

  All the time. They say, okay, what do you mean 300 billion? You owed Israel. Of course you should pay him 300 billion. Why do why pay them 21 or 31 billion in the middle of a genocide? You owe Israel. Why do I owe Israel? No one ever explains. No one ever explains.

• 31:58Tucker Carlson?

  They actually, I've never heard that. They actually say that out loud? We owe them?

• 32:01Speaker 02

  Of course, of course.

• 32:02Tucker Carlson?

  For what? Where's the debt from?

• 32:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, and when I press, I press on every one of these talking points. That's part of why they despise me, right? And I say, okay, help me understand that. Why, why, why would we owe Israel? Well, they suffered a Holocaust, the Jewish people. Well, first of all, the Jewish people did, not Israel, right? That's different. Okay, but wait, we rescued them from the Holocaust.

• 32:25Tucker Carlson?

  And all those Americans died, a lot of them, hundreds of thousands of Americans died to fighting out war.

• 32:31Speaker 02

  If we rescued them from the Holocaust, why do we owe them money? It's like, none of these talking points make any sense. If you all you do is, you know, just prick the bubble and it people instantly go, oh, wait a minute, lift the curtain. So here, we rescue.

• 32:45Tucker Carlson?

  But they'll actually say that?

• 32:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. So the Bosnians, right? For example, right? We rescued them from a genocide from the Serbs, right? And I'm proud of that. And I think we did, you know, we saved tons and tons of lives. And you can say, maybe we shouldn't have interfered. Maybe we should be more isolationist. It's a good debate, but at least we did something demonstrably good there. Okay. Did the Bosnians, after we rescued them from the genocide, come and to say to us, you owe us? No, they said, "Thank you." By the way, you won't find anyone on this planet who loves Americas more than Bosnia. Okay? And so they love America, they appreciate America. Poland lost 5 million people in the Holocaust. 1.8 million non-Jews, 3 million Jews. So after the Holocaust, Poland could have said, "You owe us."

• 33:31Speaker 02

  No, we saved Poland. Russia saved Poland. We saved Jews. Russia saved Jews. By the way, did Russia ever get a "thank you" after losing, what, 20 million or so people in the war? Right? Instead, now Israel's constantly attacking Russia. "I got no love for Russia. I think Putin is wrong. I don't think he should have invaded Ukraine." But wait a minute, why does anybody owe Israel for anything? It doesn't make any sense at all.

• 33:55Tucker Carlson?

  No, it doesn't.

• 33:55Speaker 02

  Okay? So now they want a new memorandum of understanding. They were gonna try to make it 20 years, and partly because of you and us and all the people that are going, "Wait, why?" That a memorandum of understanding is a president saying, "We owe you for the next 10 years, 20 years, etc."

• 34:13Tucker Carlson?

  And that's a, that's an agreement between the United States and Israel?

• 34:17Speaker 02

  Yes. So for example, Obama signed a 10-year memorandum of understanding saying, "We owe Israel 3.8 billion every year for 10 years."

• 34:25Tucker Carlson?

  So no votes on it during that period?

• 34:27Speaker 02

  The only votes you get is it gets put automatically into the budget every year, and once it gets put in, you have to actively take it out. But if you have to go to take it out, they'll call you an anti-Semite and try to ruin your career. I have amazing stories about that. Marie Newman, a US Congresswoman, voted against one of the appropriations that Israel got. Four Democratic colleagues come on the floor of the House and say, "How dare you? You, how dare you vote against Israel? We're gonna take away all your money."

• 34:59Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 35:00Speaker 02

  Yes, you could ask Marie Newman about it. She said it on The Young Turks. This happened just a couple of years ago. Okay, she was in Congress from Illinois. They said, "We're gonna take away all your money, and we're gonna spend a ton of money against you."

• 35:11Tucker Carlson?

  Her own party?

• 35:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. Her own party. And that's what happened. They spent about 4 million against her, eliminated.

• 35:17Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 35:18Speaker 02

  Andy Levin, a Jewish-American congressman from Michigan, kind of a legendary Jewish family in Michigan. Carl Levin was a senator.

• 35:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, Senator Levin, yeah.

• 35:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Andy Levin says, "Two-state solution." He says, "I love Israel, I'm a Zionist." Okay? But obviously, we should have a free and independent Israel and a free and independent Palestine. Four million against Andy Levin, eliminated.

• 35:38Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  Eliminated. Jamal Bowman, you think it was about the fire alarm? You might be upset about the fire alarm or whatever else Jamal Bowman did. They spent, the Israeli lobby spent 19 million eliminating Jamal Bowman. Cori Bush, eliminated, okay? Anyone who opposes Israel is eliminated.

• 35:58Tucker Carlson?

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• 37:57Tucker Carlson?

  ... the year. Can I ask you a que-- I mean, this is shocking and I'm, I'll confess, I don't follow the details of democratic politics closely enough to have heard of any of this. I knew about Jamal Bowman, but the rest I didn't. So I wonder about that strategy, which they're now employing on the right and trying to tar, you know, slandering people as Nazis or trying to get them killed, which they're doing. But I wonder, like, as a strategy, obviously it's immoral, but does it actually work? Isn't it better to say, as you would in any negotiation, like, here are the things I actually care about, let's see if we can come to terms, like, allow a little bit of flexibility? There's no flexibility allowed.

• 38:36Speaker 02

  Well, Tucker, congrats. You have forced Israel into some flexibility almost single-handedly.

• 38:42Tucker Carlson?

  I don't feel that at all. I feel that, because I've never been against Israel and I'm not against Israel now, I'm not against any person, actually, and I'm certainly, as a Christian, totally opposed to hating a group based on its blood. That would include whites, blacks, Hispanics, Turks, and Jews, and I mean that. So whatever, I've really tried to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's settle this down. It doesn't work and I just wonder, that doesn't seem like a good strategy. I guess that's what I'm saying, like, just as a negotiating position, it's like you have to have some willingness to move. You can't be that rigid or you're not going to win in the end.

• 39:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, so the reason I said that is because, look, first, let's distinguish, there's--

• 39:24Speaker 02

  Mainstream media purposely blends all these things together, partly because Israel wants to use Jewish Americans as human shields. They want to say, if you attack us, you're attacking Jewish Americans. And so you're not allowed to, you're not allowed to, right? But in reality, there's Jews as people slash Jewish Americans. Then there's how you feel about Israel. Then there's how you feel about the Israeli government, right? We are talking about the current Israeli government. And they say, no, you're talking about Jews, because they want to hide behind that, right? When we keep saying, no, not the Jews. And they're like, no, the Jews, the Jews. We're like, stop saying the Jews, it's not the Jews.

• 40:01Tucker Carlson?

  Moreover, I get to define what I think and what I'm talking about. And let me repeat myself. I think antisemitism is immoral and I won't engage in it ever, period. So I get to decide, because I'm a sovereign man, what I think. And I can try to express it as well as I can. You, no one has a right to tell you what you think.

• 40:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's really obnoxious to the.

• 40:22Tucker Carlson?

  Well, it's Orwellian. It's like, are you in charge of my soul? Yeah, I don't think you are.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  So, for example, I'm an atheist. So what does that mean? That means I think all humans are pretty much the same genetically, right? That's, I'm stone cold. So if you told me a Jewish, a Muslim, a Christian, a Hindu is different, I'm philosophically opposed to that. I'm ideologically opposed to that. I'm scientifically opposed to that. I just think it's wrong. It's not, it's incorrect, factually incorrect. So that is a distraction. And they've now weaponized the term antisemitism, which also does a lot of damage. Because when real antisemitism comes, people will think, oh, those are the heroes fighting against the genocide, right? That's what I was told.

• 41:01Tucker Carlson?

  But it also scares people. I mean, I've experienced this a lot in my personal life, where people I know and love have been convinced that I'm, you know, Nazi or Nazi adjacent, or hate Jews, or whatever. And that I'm trying to hurt people, which is literally the opposite of what I would ever do, want to do. I don't agree with that at all. And I say that constantly. But they've whipped people into a frenzy, preying upon their deepest fears. And there are many victims of that kind of evil, but one of the victims is the people who are being terrified. Like, people are terrified.

• 41:38Speaker 02

  I think actually the number one target of Israeli propaganda is Jewish Americans.

• 41:44Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, of course.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  They say, oh, if it's not for Israel, the whole world hates you and you're all gonna die. You're all gonna die. Everyone hates you.

• 41:52Tucker Carlson?

  And it's an unreasonable hate. It's a hate that can't be even reasoned with or discussed. You don't have to know anything about why people disagree. It's hate. It's fundamentally irrational, and it will never end. And until they kill you or you kill them, it's like, whoa, that is a very heavy thing. First of all, it's untrue. Second, you're inspiring violence by talking like that. I mean, the only endpoint of that kind of thinking is violence. It can only be solved by violence. Kill or be killed. That's what they're saying.

• 42:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, again, Madlibit, say, okay, let's say that you oppose something the Turkish government did, which I hope you do, because they've done plenty of bad things. I oppose a bunch of things that the Turkish government has done. If after you-

• 42:36Tucker Carlson?

  I just don't like Turks. That's my problem.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  But, I mean, that's the point, right? If you said, hey, you know, I don't think the Turks should have gone into northern Syria, and I say, anti-Turkish racist, you'd be like, what? What kind of lunatic are you? Right? That's not a thing. That doesn't, just because you disagree with the actions of a government at this time, doesn't mean that you hate Turks in perpetuity, forever and ever. You hated them before, you hate them afterward. No, I just don't agree. Look, I didn't agree with the Iraq war. Does that mean I hate Americans? No, it means I don't agree with that government action taken at that time. It's, and all of that is very logical until you get to Israel, and then they flip it on its head.

• 43:16Tucker Carlson?

  But can you see how irrational and fear-based the conversation is becoming and the cost to American society, not even having anything to do with Israel, but just that way of thinking? Is a scary way of thinking. First of all, it's identity politics in its purest form. You know, this group versus that group. This group has special rights. This group has fewer rights. I mean, this is everything that I hate and I disagree with as a Christian. But can you see the cost to the whole society because of this?

• 43:44Speaker 02

  It's an enormous cost. So, you know.

• 43:46Tucker Carlson?

  Making people hate each other.

• 43:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. Look, I'm, I'll go back to the stats on how awful the genocide was and all of that. But to me, at least as bad is the control over this country. Okay? And I came here to be free and I came here for American sovereignty.

• 44:03Tucker Carlson?

  How old were you when you came?

• 44:04Speaker 02

  Eight years old. My family came here because my dad is an enormous believer in America. Like, you won't find a family who loves America more than we do, right?

• 44:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 44:13Speaker 02

  And by the way, he had that belief and faith and it was met. We came here and that faith was true. That hope was delivered. And we have lived amazing lives in this country because of the opportunity and the hope that this country provided. And by the way, our answer to that is thank you.

• 44:32Tucker Carlson?

  Amen. I feel that way. I feel grateful.

• 44:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm enormously grateful to America. And by the way, when America helps you, the correct answer is thank you, not you owe me. Okay, give me more. That's not the correct answer.

• 44:44Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 44:44Speaker 02

  And it's not taken as a correct answer from any other country. But when it comes to Israel and they say, no, give me more, right? We were supposed to say, oh, thank you, sir. No, I don't want to say thank you.

• 44:53Tucker Carlson?

  You have children. How would you respond to your children if they said that to you?

• 44:57Speaker 02

  Oh, that would be a mistake for them. Yes.

• 45:00Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, you can't.

• 45:01Speaker 02

  And there would be consequences.

• 45:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, you can't put up with that. Not for one second. You degrade yourself. You hurt the person you're dealing with because you inspire more of that behavior, which is totally bad behavior. Yeah, it's so unhelp. I mean, how could we get, how do we get into this?

• 45:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, let me, let me give you two examples about how they are taking our freedom away. Okay, so a friend of mine runs a company in LA. He gets an email from, well, it looks like probably a bot, but it could be an Israeli troll, whatever it is, but some. Buddy writing in saying, "We found out that one of your American workers is an anti-Semite and you should fire her." He's like, "Really? Oh, I didn't know that. What did she do? Did she attack someone? Did she say something outrageous?" And he finds out that she had put up a Palestinian flag during the genocide as supportive like, "Hey, I'm against the genocide, these poor people," on her Facebook account. That's it. Nothing against Israel.

• 45:57Tucker Carlson?

  You're allowed to have that view. You can support the Palestinians. You can support Hamas. You can support whatever you want as an American.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  But she's not supporting Hamas.

• 46:02Tucker Carlson?

  I get it. But like, let's just remind ourselves that we have a full range of intellectual freedom because of the First Amendment and because God gave us those rights, not any administration. So like, you cannot allow infringement on those rights.

• 46:16Speaker 02

  She doesn't even say anything against Israel, let alone Jews. She just says, you know, just has the Palestinian flag. They're like, "That's just an average American. It's not Tucker Carlson. It's not Cenk Uygur. She doesn't have a show. She's a random American." Now, all of a sudden, the Israelis are emailing your boss and saying, "If they dare even support the Palestinians, treat them as humans, they're anti-Semites and they should be fired." No, no, that's oppression. That's oppression and it's against the average American. I can't stand it. Okay? So you and I get attacked.

• 46:47Tucker Carlson?

  It certainly is oppression.

• 46:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, nonstop. But I get it. We're in the media. We're in wars, right? These information wars, these media wars, et cetera. But leave average Americans out of it.

• 46:56Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  And they won't tolerate it. They won't tolerate any dissent, any dissent at all.

• 47:01Tucker Carlson?

  What is that?

• 47:02Speaker 02

  Because, so you know why, Tucker? It's worked for them. So now that gets, leads to the second example, Barry Weiss, right? So Barry Weiss claims she's like, remember when she was at the New York Times? She's fighting against cancel culture. Our college campuses have been taken over by cancel culture.

• 47:18Tucker Carlson?

  She promoted cancel culture when she was on the campus of her college, Columbia, when she pushed for anyone who was against Israel to be silenced. I mean, she's always been for cancel culture.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  Exactly. So she actually started her career as a student who went around saying, "I'm proudly Zionist and I'm going to try to take out Arab and Muslim professors who don't toe the line for Israel." So she got famous doing cancel culture on college.

• 47:49Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I remember very well.

• 47:50Speaker 02

  Then she pretends in the middle of her career that she's against cancel culture, specifically on college campuses. I mean, the lie is so brazen, right? And then she goes to Free Press and then starts cancel culture again on college campuses. They spoke out against Israel. They should be fired. They should be arrested.

• 48:07Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:08Speaker 02

  It's wait, wait, wait, wait.

• 48:09Tucker Carlson?

  I'm a dangerous Nazi.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  You're talking about arresting Americans for disagreeing with another government, with another country. I mean, if you're not bothered by that, then you're you're you have a servant mindset.

• 48:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 48:27Speaker 02

  These folks obviously have 94% of Congress. They obviously pro-Israel factions have almost all of established media. We can come back to why. Okay. And I'm okay with it. I will serve them. Well, I'm not okay with it. I don't want to bow. I love that America's free. We came for that freedom and that freedom is delivered for us. But I don't want to give it away. I don't want to give it away to anyone. If I wanted to give away my freedom, I would have stayed in the Middle East.

• 48:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  Okay, I came here for the promise of America. Our family did. So, and, and you know, among, among Muslim Americans, there is no group. I was born Muslim. I'm atheist now. Okay. So I, at 22, I went through the religions. It wasn't for me. Okay. But am I going to defend my family and my background? Sure, I am, of course. Right? But ideologically, I'm atheist. So, um, I had, we, this country had room for me and this country didn't ask, are you Muslim? Are you atheist? Are you this? Are you that? It just, it gave me the same rights as anyone else. And I love that. And I'm, I'm pretty sure, I mean, Erdogan was taking away democracy in Turkey, in my opinion.

• 49:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 49:35Speaker 02

  And he's done some good foreign policy, but his, his domestic policy, I'm, I'm against. Okay. If I stayed in Turkey, I would almost certainly be in president at this point. Right? And here I'm not in prison.

• 49:46Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 49:46Speaker 02

  And if you turn America into an occupied nation. That's not what we came for. That's not what, I mean, that is against the core of what America is. And if they're paying 94% of Congress, we're occupied.

• 49:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 49:59Speaker 02

  We are. And it's not just Israel. We're occupied by Big Pharma and Big Oil and the defense contractors, but all those politicians represent those people and not us. I would love, my driving goal is regain American sovereignty. And when I go to talk to Muslim groups, A, they say, look, now all of a sudden they're very open to the right wing. Why are they open to the right wing? Because you, Candace, Meghan, and others are saying, hey, maybe we got fed a lot of propaganda to hate Muslims because they happen to be Israel's enemies.

• 50:32Tucker Carlson?

  Well, of course.

• 50:33Speaker 02

  And so maybe all that media about how they're all they're terrorists, terrorists, and you look at it and go, and we were taught by books that Robert Maxwell bought, that Israel was attacked in 1948, Israel was attacked in 1967, Israel's always the victim, victim, victim. And then you look, you go, wait a minute, in 1967, Israel attacked. I was lied to. No, Israel attacked all of its neighbors and destroyed their military, their air forces before they even got up off the ground, right? And they called that a preemptive strike. So that became the new self-defense is offense. And what did we do in Iraq? Preemptive strike. We went into Iraq, and they could have weapons of mass destruction. By the way, where did

• 51:18Speaker 02

  we get that false intelligence? Israel. At the time, Ariel Sharon was saying Iraq is Israel's number one enemy. Iraq at the time, by the way, hated Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda attacked us.

• 51:31Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, it was a Baathist government. It was secular. They had tons of Christians in the government.

• 51:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, not only that, Al Qaeda constantly attacked the local rulers. So Saddam ever caught Al Qaeda, he executed him on the spot, right? So in a sense, he's an ally of sorts, in that case, against Al Qaeda.

• 51:49Tucker Carlson?

  And a counterbalance to Iran.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:51Tucker Carlson?

  Which had held our hostages for over a year in 1979. So it's like, that was in no sense consistent with her interests. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. At all, despite the many, many lies, I knew people who told those lies really, really, Steve Hayes wrote a whole book about it was a lie. No one's ever apologized, but those lies all served one imperative, which is fight Israel's enemies. I was there. So I know that that's true and everyone knows that that's true. And you're now required to lie about it. It was just a mistake. It was not a mistake at all. It was totally intentional.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so when I give speeches to those Muslim groups and I talk about American sovereignty, that's when I get the biggest applause. Because who is the victim of another government meddling in the American government the most? Muslim Americans are. Because, I mean, there's no equivalent. I mean, for any money that the Gulf countries or anything else puts into America, it doesn't get any power at all.

• 52:50Tucker Carlson?

  Okay. So but the Turks, this is interesting because you were born in Turkey. You came here at a your co-host on your show or someone on your show, Anna Kasparian is just a wonderful person, I think, but is Armenian. So one of the most famous feuds in history, one of those famous genocides was the Armenian genocide right after the during the First World War. And here you are, good friends and work together every day. And that, to me, is a huge part of the promise of America. You can leave your tribal wars in the countries of origin and come here and interact as equals under the American flag as citizens. Like, that is truly the vision. I think everyone, you know, we imported tons of Irish in the 1840s into an Anglo country. They didn't need each other. Those countries had been hated each other

• 53:34Tucker Carlson?

  for centuries, but they all came here and pretty much got along, sort of. Watching the Israelis import, which they are doing, and there are many proxies in the US, importing their ancient tribal conflicts into my country, telling me there's an Anglo multi-century American, my family, that I have to hate Muslims? Or so it's like, first of all, I'll decide who I hate. Not you. It's not up to you who I hate. You're not in charge of me. And second, like, that's your battle. Why don't you keep it in the Levant? Like, I don't want anything to do with that. Right? But now it completely dominates you. I hate Muslims? It's like, first of all, I believe in Jesus. I'm not a Muslim. But I like a lot of Muslims. And I'm never going to say I don't.

• 54:17Speaker 02

  And isn't that funny that they're like, if you don't agree to everything the Israeli government does, then you hate Jews. But if you don't-

• 54:24Tucker Carlson?

  I don't hate Jews, and I don't hate Muslims, and I don't want any part of their fight. I mean, why would I?

• 54:28Speaker 02

  But wait, Tucker, then they go on to the second part of the sentence. So like, if you disagree with Israel, you're a bigot. Then they say, you have to hate Muslims. But wait a minute, I thought you were against bigotry. So you're not against bigotry.

• 54:41Tucker Carlson?

  So how is hate all Muslims any different from hate all Jews? Well, it's not.

• 54:45Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 54:46Tucker Carlson?

  It's not, right? It's the same. And but these, you know, you have people who don't believe in universal principles, and that's kind of the core problem. It's like only certain types of hate are bad, only certain kinds of bigotry bad. No, no, no. If bigotry's bad, it's always bad, because all people are created by God, and they're inherently equal. They may have different abilities, they do have different abilities, but they have equal value. And if you don't believe that, which Barry Weiss doesn't, then you can with a straight face say antisemitism is wrong. I agree with you, Barry Weiss. Hating Muslims is right. No.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  I mean-

• 55:18Tucker Carlson?

  I don't agree with you. I'm sorry.

• 55:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 55:20Tucker Carlson?

  And by the way, don't bring that into my country. Go away.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Yes. Laura Lumer, Mark Levin, say all the time, you should hate Muslims. Muslims are the problem. Well, then you've lost your moral high ground.

• 55:32Tucker Carlson?

  Well, they don't believe in the universal principle. It's just, it's just identity politics. It's no better than any other form of identity politics, and it's all disgusting and immoral.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Exactly. So whereas to your point, Anna and I do a show together, and that's an Armenian and a Turk doing a show together.

• 55:48Tucker Carlson?

  Literally, and a show called The Young Turks. I was like, well, I first thought it was this years ago, I was like, holy smokes. People may not know what the Young Turks were, but whatever.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Isn't that beautiful? Isn't that a beautiful thing about-

• 55:59Tucker Carlson?

  The promise of America, leave your tribal, your ancient tribal conflicts and your countries of origin, and come here and exist as equal citizens under the law. That is, that is, to me, that's the most American sentiment I can imagine.

• 56:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, and by the way, when you do that, that doesn't mean that you leave your entire culture behind. Don't bring your food, don't bring your language, don't bring this, don't bring-

• 56:18Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 56:19Speaker 02

  No, no. We've had, the Italians brought pizza, the Jews bought bagel and lox and pastrami, and the Chinese brought, it's great and wonderful. Love it, love it, love it. But- You have to agree that America is your top identity.

• 56:35Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, or else you're gonna have Hutus and Tutsis murdering each other in your cities.

• 56:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:40Tucker Carlson?

  Like, no, how about no?

• 56:42Speaker 02

  You have to be an American. It means something to be an American. It means you put ancient tribal hatred aside. I mean, so when you look at the Young Turks, our audiences, Armenians, Greeks, Jews, Muslims, Christians, everyone, everyone, and in the old world that wouldn't have happened. That's why we came here, because we don't want the old world. We want this world, this world of freedom and equality.

• 57:04Tucker Carlson?

  Amen, amen. Right, I just could not agree with what you said more strongly. I just really feel it.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, so back to the memorandum of understanding why.

• 57:12Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, I'm a digressor, Jenk.

• 57:15Speaker 02

  I'm doing the same thing. So they say 20 year, the new one we want is a 20 year memorandum of us. So we have to give you a 20 year contract. And they say the 4 billion that we're giving them currently per year on top of everything else is not enough. And they started talking about 5 billion. So wait a minute now, 5 billion, 20 years, we're talking about another 100 billion? We're gonna borrow from China to give to Israel and then pay interest the rest of our lives?

• 57:41Tucker Carlson?

  And this is exclusive of, this does not include military obligations. So if there's another war, of course, we'll backstop it with missile defense or whatever, carriers in the region, right? So it doesn't even include that.

• 57:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, so, but because they got so much pushback, this is the first time I've ever seen the Israelis give an inch. All of a sudden Netanyahu comes, I goes, maybe 10 years, maybe we taper it off, right? It's total bullshit.

• 58:07Tucker Carlson?

  Maybe go away and never come back.

• 58:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, how about that? So, look, I started a site, not anotherdollar.com, okay? Not anotherdollar.com.

• 58:17Tucker Carlson?

  Is that a hate site?

• 58:18Speaker 02

  They would call it that. So what we're saying is, look, two things. One is, Uh, number one, uh, if you, if a congressperson takes money from Israel, vote against them. Okay. Now, why? Because we want our representatives to be our representatives. It's not an outrageous ask. It's a bare minimum ask, right? Uh, and happy to apply to any country. Okay. But right now, Israel's the one giving to 94% of Congress. So there has to be some consequences.

• 58:47Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  So since we're peaceful and nonviolent, and by the way, again, violence destroys any movement. That is why a lot of times counter insurgencies start the violence.

• 58:58Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 58:58Speaker 02

  Right?

• 58:59Tucker Carlson?

  Always.

• 58:59Speaker 02

  They could destroy. So if anyone's-

• 59:01Tucker Carlson?

  There's nothing more real than false flags.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 59:03Tucker Carlson?

  That's just a fact. It's been a feature of warfare, hot and cold, from the beginning of history.

• 59:08Speaker 02

  So do, if anyone proposes violence, they're on the other side. Okay? Reject them, turn them in, turn them into the authorities. Okay? Zero violence so they cannot destroy the movement. Okay? And because it's the right thing to do and it's the moral position, right? So what we're saying is, I also have operation consequences.com. It goes to the same thing. So what are the consequences? Not violent, not hatred, not anything. Just if you vote with Israel to give them another dollar, we're gonna vote against you. And you know what? You don't have to cross party lines. That's what primaries are for.

• 59:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 59:42Speaker 02

  So if you're a Republican, you never have to vote for a Democrat. If you're a Democrat, you never have to vote for a Republican. Go into the primaries and we're gonna make two lists. One is, are you taking money from Israel? Okay, and that list already exists. You know, you have AIPAC tracker, etc. We'll put it up on the site so you can see, oh, these guys are taking money and these guys aren't. So when you see Tom Massey and he takes no money from AIPAC or any of the Israeli lobbies, you go, I might agree or disagree with Tom Massey, but at least I know he's honest. And he represents us and not a different government. Okay? And the second thing we're saying is- Did you give money to Israel? Or did you take money from Israel? And did you give money to Israel? So if, forget the past, because they all gave money in the past. Okay, we're fair, clean slate.

• 1:00:25Speaker 02

  But going forward, you vote one more time for another dollar to Israel. And you're never going to get our vote, ever. It's a solemn pledge. Okay, now you could sign the pledges on not another dot com or operation consequence dot com. But it doesn't matter. Create your own website, create your own pledge, create your own movement or join the movement. Say, hey, you know what? I don't want to go to those sites. I want to do it on my show. Great, I love it. Right? You, I want to do it in a right wing way. Great, I love it. Left wing way. Great, I love it. Okay, but you've got to get the representatives some consequences.

• 1:00:56Tucker Carlson?

  It sounds like democracy.

• 1:00:58Speaker 02

  Exactly. That's all it is. That's all it is.

• 1:01:01Tucker Carlson?

  So just inject the views of the people who own the government into the conversation on what the government should do?

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. So if you, for example,

• 1:01:08Tucker Carlson?

  Radical.

• 1:01:09Speaker 02

  If you do that poll, um, do, does America owe Israel any more money? My guess is an overwhelming majority are going to say no.

• 1:01:18Tucker Carlson?

  How would you get that poll? How would you get? I mean, do you think you could get CNN to take that poll?

• 1:01:24Speaker 02

  Well, if they say that, no, we're not going to ask Americans that, then it, they obviously have an agenda. They claim to be objective, right?

• 1:01:31Tucker Carlson?

  CNN claims to objective?

• 1:01:33Speaker 02

  They still pretend.

• 1:01:34Tucker Carlson?

  I worked there for many years, not objective.

• 1:01:36Speaker 02

  Right. New York Times very much pretends to be objective. Uh, all right, then ask the question. Do, uh, do, does America owe Israel any more money? Okay, now, if you say, maybe we're wrong, Tucker. Right? Maybe the Americans come in and go, 80% of Americans say, yes, we owe Israel more money. Then we'll stand corrected and we'll go, our bad. Americans can't wait to give more money to Israel, no matter what the circumstances are. But wait, if it turns out 68%, 82%, some significant majority of Americans say, no, we don't owe them any more money. Now, does the voice of the American people matter? Or does it not matter? And you know what the answer is? And that's why they won't do the poll. And that's why we'll do it for them. That's okay. Right?

• 1:02:23Speaker 02

  Look, right now, 92% of Democrats say that what Israel did in Gaza was wrong. And that was before the election. And both Joe Biden and Kamala Harris said, I don't care about my voters. I don't care about 92% of my voters. They couldn't have been any clearer. I'm going to serve Israel instead. Now, number one donor, lifetime to Joe Biden is AIPAC. AIPAC gave Kamala Harris-

• 1:02:49Tucker Carlson?

  Is that true?

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  Yes, over $11 million throughout his career. The Israeli lobby totally financed now.

• 1:02:55Tucker Carlson?

  11 million just to Joe Biden?

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  Just to Joe Biden, okay. And that again-

• 1:02:59Tucker Carlson?

  I would have thought it was Citibank or the credit card companies.

• 1:03:03Speaker 02

  So he was known as the senator from MBNA, which is a credit card company in Delaware. So he was literally known for corruption. Now, did you hear that in mainstream media from Objective CNN?

• 1:03:13Tucker Carlson?

  They gave his son a house, right? I mean, it was pretty open, yeah.

• 1:03:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, Joe Biden's trademark thing in Washington was do whatever the donors tell you. That's why the one promise he kept was to the donors. Remember, he said to them, nothing will fundamentally change. Because if you're at the top, you don't want anything to change.

• 1:03:33Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  Because then you might slip from the top. You, if you're at the top, you love the status quo. So you want a politician coming and telling you, nothing will fundamentally-

• 1:03:43Tucker Carlson?

  So here's one question that I have, and I don't have the answer to. So I understand that that's all consistent with the darker parts of human nature. I'm winning, I don't want anything to change. I get it, I don't even judge it. But the rest of the country is withering and dying, and that's measurable in life expectancy, for example. Every, you know, there's no way to argue that this is helping normal people. And they're not staying the same, they're going down by every measure. They're down to their personal health. Why are the people who run the country are ruling class? Like, it's not enough that they profit. It does feel like they're trying to hurt the people they rule. That's the, that's, I mean, I've reached that conclusion. What is that?

• 1:04:24Speaker 02

  So I'm most angry at our politicians and I'm gonna give you an analogy about that in a second. So like, so Israel, pharma, they're going to logically try to rob us.

• 1:04:35Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, I get it.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Right, I get it.

• 1:04:37Tucker Carlson?

  The king takes most for himself, but he also like wants to make his people like not die earlier, but they do want us to die earlier. What is that?

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  But it's, um, yeah, so it's largely our representatives' fault. So I talked about Biden, Kamala took five million from AIPAC, talked about that. Uh, let's talk about Trump. So Trump in the first election in 2016 takes 100 million from Sheldon Adelson. Okay. So does Sheldon get something in return? Of course he does, right? So he got a great number of things, a corruption charge and went largely went away with a small fine. Uh, the state tax was dropped right in the nick of time before he passed away, saved them billions of dollars. You know where the Adesos make most of their money?

• 1:05:18Tucker Carlson?

  Gambling.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  In China.

• 1:05:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:05:21Speaker 02

  Okay, so in Macau. So they're mainly a Chinese company and, uh, and they had to bring their money back from China to America. So they got a tax holiday. We don't get tax holidays, but they get tax holidays. And so their, the repatriation tax was brought down to about eight percent. So instead of paying 35%, they paid eight percent, which saved them billions of dollars. So then they take that money from China, bring it back to America. They give 100 to, to Trump. He runs again, they give another 100. Uh, they, he runs again, they, at this time, it's Miriam Adelson, Sheldon's passed away, his wife, Miriam, gives 137 to Trump. So now collectively, they've given 337 million dollars to Donald Trump's reelection campus. So now, one of the things they wanted was taxes and other

• 1:06:06Speaker 02

  interests and defeat the unions and their casinos and all the things that they're wish list. But the main thing they wanted was for Israel. And Trump says it all the time. He doesn't hide it at all. He says-

• 1:06:16Tucker Carlson?

  He said it in the Knesset.

• 1:06:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. He said, look, you guys give me money and you, and Sheldon wanted me to, to move our embassy from, you know, Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. So I moved it for him. Like, you're not supposed to say that. Okay?

• 1:06:28Tucker Carlson?

  That's what I love about Trump. I love it when he just says it.

• 1:06:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. So he's like, and then so- They want to diss and and I gave him the goal on heights. I said, go ahead, take it. Right. And whatever is your last and she said Sheldon came in here in my first term more than any other person. And he said, to be fair, he gave the most, right? So if you give that much money, you get access and you get American policy. So now Miriam's up there going, maybe you should run for a third term and I'll give him 250 million. She said that on air next to Trump. So that is them rubbing it in our face saying.

• 1:07:02Tucker Carlson?

  So that's the part I don't understand. Like every country has a ruling class that derives the most benefit from whatever system is they're running. But it's the pretty undisguised hatred for Americans. Like, why the humiliation rituals? Why? Why say that in public? Why basically give the entire country the finger? You have no control. If you step out of line, we'll send the police to your door. Like, you don't need to behave that way.

• 1:07:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is relatively new.

• 1:07:28Tucker Carlson?

  There's hatred in there. That's how you behave toward people you really want to hurt.

• 1:07:33Speaker 02

  Before I, they were more subtle about it.

• 1:07:36Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, that's why I never said anything. I wasn't fully aware of it. But also, it's like, it's working. It's, you know, whatever. I don't want to get involved in this. But all of a sudden, it's like, you know, you're not allowed to live in the country that you were born in because you disagree with a foreign country? It's like, you don't need, why are you talking to me like that? Who do you think you are? Why do you, why, what are you doing?

• 1:07:56Speaker 02

  So since they're starting to lose control now, back to the American people overall. Six, this was about six months ago. The numbers are probably starker now. But 60% of Americans said, we don't want to support what Israel is doing with financing anymore.

• 1:08:13Tucker Carlson?

  60%?

• 1:08:13Speaker 02

  60% for Gaza. Okay. They said, we, we are not backing what Israel's doing. And only 32% said yes. So two to one, very, very, very clear. The American people, two to one. Don't give Israel any more money to kill more people in Gaza. Don't do it. And all of our politicians, Democrats and Republicans are like, no, we're going to give them more money. We don't care. Shut up, American people. So why are they switching to this new, harsher tactic? Because I think they're going for intimidation. They've already lost the people. They've lost the propaganda. Wars, so they're just going for bullying.

• 1:08:45Tucker Carlson?

  They don't intimidate me and I'm totally happy to pay any price not to go along with this. Not because I hate Jews, I certainly don't hate Jews, but because I love my country and we have the right to act in our own interest and to say what we truly believe. And I will never bow to any other system voluntarily. And I feel like a lot of Americans, clearly you feel that way.

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  Hundred percent. A- America was not made for bowing. Okay, so, so.

• 1:09:12Tucker Carlson?

  Not the things that hurt my family. I'm happy to bow before God. I'm not too arrogant to bow, but I'm not going to bow to something that hurts my children. Like, I'm not going to do that.

• 1:09:20Speaker 02

  A- and today, no, they're not going to take our freedom away. So back to your point about the accumulation rituals, then.

• 1:09:28Tucker Carlson?

  Why do that?

• 1:09:29Speaker 02

  It gets way worse. In case you don't know this for the folks at home, the Adelsons then lobbied Trump to get Jonathan Pollard back to Israel. Okay, so Jonathan Pollard is a traitor. I mean, as big a traitor as we have ever had in this country.

• 1:09:45Tucker Carlson?

  And a true hater of America, says it out loud all the time.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he goes further. He endangers Jewish people by saying, if you're a Jew in America, you should work for Israel like I did and betray America. He says that, okay? So now this is as despicable anti-American character as you will find on planet Earth. So not only did they lobby to get him back to Israel, first of all, he should never have been let out of jail, ever, ever.

• 1:10:09Tucker Carlson?

  What did the Israelis do with the national security, with the Navy secrets that he gave them? Do you know?

• 1:10:14Speaker 02

  I.

• 1:10:14Tucker Carlson?

  They gave them to the Soviet Union. And they gave them to the Soviet Union in exchange for refuse next. I remember this, I know people were involved in it. And yeah, our, our top ally gave our national security secrets. This is the middle of the Cold War. It's not a joke. These countries have nuclear weapons pointed at each other. And Israel gave those secrets to the Soviets. So that's just a fact. Oh, you're lying. I'm not lying.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and in this case, yeah, in this case, uh, not only, so they've been lobbying Democrats and Republicans, get Jonathan Pollard out of jail because he delivered for Israel. And so they got Obama to pardon him and not pardon him, but like say, okay, he can get out of jail. Then they got Trump to say he can leave the country. Okay, so this is all already disastrous, but just to rub it in a little bit more. He was flown back to Israel on a private jet owned by Sheldon Adelson.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  That's the Adelson saying, F you. We work for Israel, not for America. We're going to take the worst traitor you've ever had and celebrate him. We're going to give him a hero's welcome.

• 1:11:27Tucker Carlson?

  I don't understand that. That is not in my personal range of like emotions. That's like, you won, got it. Okay, great. You know, you're getting what you want. Okay. But that's like, if you're playing tennis with someone and you crush them in tennis, rather than going up and shaking hands, you know, good, good game. That's what I was forced to do as a child. You leap across that and like, beat them to death with a racket. I don't, like, what is that impulse? I think it's the scariest thing I've ever seen.

• 1:11:52Speaker 02

  They're going for full intimidation. Right?

• 1:11:55Tucker Carlson?

  But why?

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  Because they, they lost the American people. We're, we're gone. So, I mean, look, Tucker, you're arguably the, the biggest show in, in the right wing, right? And you certainly were on Fox and you have the numbers to back it up now, right? We're arguably the biggest show on the left. This is the, you know, you could argue that it's the heads of the families getting together.

• 1:12:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  On behalf of the American people, saying the right and the left. And then, by the way, we can bring in any independents. You could bring in Tim Dillon, anyone else, and they will say the same thing. Enough. Enough. We have no hatred in our hearts. Okay?

• 1:12:30Tucker Carlson?

  I don't.

• 1:12:30Speaker 02

  But enough. So not another dollar. And we're done with you guys. And hey, good luck. Good luck with Iran, right? But I don't have to spend a trillion dollars fighting your war for you and Iran.

• 1:12:40Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 1:12:40Speaker 02

  I don't. And what if, look, and you know what they're doing, guys?

• 1:12:44Tucker Carlson?

  Pull back. Like, this is so unhealthy, this relationship. Pull back. We both regain our sovereignty. Israel doesn't have sovereignty exactly either. I mean, I know, you could debate what sovereignty means, but they're totally dependent on the United States. That's not good. How's that good?

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:57Tucker Carlson?

  For Israel. And so like, let's just become normal countries again, and then be friends.

• 1:13:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:02Tucker Carlson?

  That seems like a good outcome to me.

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  Yeah. By the way, it's a terrific outcome for Israel. Right? So now, when you total it all together, probably around 350 billion that they've taken from us, and they've, we, and 8 trillion in wars we did for them, take the win and go. Like, it's time to take the winnings off the table.

• 1:13:17Tucker Carlson?

  I feel that.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  Right? So if you say, no, I want another 300 billion. I want another 100 billion. I want you to pay for another war, and I'm going to take more.

• 1:13:25Tucker Carlson?

  And you can't have the First Amendment anymore, because you're not allowed to criticize me.

• 1:13:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:30Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, that, that's when I say. I'm not participating in this, totally happy to go to jail for it. I don't care. I'm never going to participate in any effort by a foreign power or our own government to limit my birthright.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  So Tucker, let's talk about that because there's so many things that Israel does that I'm not sure people are aware of. And why are they not aware of it? Because established media not only doesn't report on it, but actively covers it up. Right? And, and if you dare report on it, they'll call you names and try to ruin your career. Okay. So what have they done? First of all, the first amendment is sacrosanct. So no, there is no exception to the first amendment for Israel. And by the way, if you say there should be, you're trying to destroy our constitution. Okay. So no, we're not going to let you destroy our constitution. So no, nobody should be arrested on a college campus for writing an op ed against Israel, an editorial saying that they should be sanctioned. That's all. That's what that Turkish PhD student wrote. And they're like, that's it, arrest her.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  What do you mean arrest her for her speech? What does that mean? And now, as I said, they're targeting American workers, trying to get them fired. The lady who put both of us on a list for, oh, Angie's, I might have the year, whatever. She went and gave a speech about, and by the way, everyone could look up every fact I'm saying, they can go find the videos for themselves and they should, and they should spread it all over the internet. And she's on there going, we're going to find any American that opposes us and we're going to try to ruin their lives. She said it. She's like, we're going to make sure they never get a job, they never get a wife, a husband, we're going to go after their families. I'm like, you're saying it out loud. You're saying it out loud, right?

• 1:15:08Tucker Carlson?

  We don't believe in blood guilt in this country, period. I mean, that's why your family was able to move from Turkey and you wound up close friends with an Armenian because you're not responsible for what your ancestors did. That's a, that is a core American value.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  Exactly. So then there's 31 states, I believe, again, look it up, maybe it's 30, maybe it's 29. God bless. But about that area that have passed laws saying you're not allowed to boycott or divest or sanction Israel. And if you're an American company that does that, we're going to take away your contracts from the state governments. You will be punished severely financially, your family, your business, et cetera, if you dare to disagree with Israel. What the fuck kind of law is that? And by the way, that's a lot of Democratic governors and a lot of Republican governors. If your governor is saying, we, you must serve Israel. And if you dare to defy Israel, I'm going to take away your living.

• 1:16:04Speaker 02

  And I'm going to take away American government contracts from you. You should be livid about that.

• 1:16:09Tucker Carlson?

  Is there any law in the United States that you've heard of that says if you criticize the US government, our constitution, desecrate or flag? Like, I don't, I don't think there's any penalty ever for attacking the United States. And I'm not saying there should be, of course. But then how can there be penalties for disagreeing with a foreign country? You can say whatever you want about America, whatever you want, and people do it. I'm glad you can't. But the second you're critical of Benjamin Netanyahu, you get punished by the US government?

• 1:16:39Speaker 02

  That's insane.

• 1:16:40Tucker Carlson?

  But that's the state of play. I don't think it's an exaggeration, is it?

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it's not. And again, Mad Libbit, put in any other country.

• 1:16:47Tucker Carlson?

  But even your own country, it's totally fine.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can criticize America all day long.

• 1:16:51Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, my gosh, yes.

• 1:16:52Speaker 02

  You can call for sanctions of America. You can call for boycotting America. You, you, you want to go after the Portuguese? Okay. Imagine if they said, you're allowed to criticize every country on earth, including your own, except Portugal. Why? Why except Portugal? Right? But if you say, why except Israel, anti Semite?

• 1:17:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  And why do they say anti Semite? It's to eliminate every voice of opposition to Israel in American conversation.

• 1:17:21Tucker Carlson?

  Are you ready for the consequences of this, though? I mean, you're a business owner, you're a father.

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:27Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not being melodramatic. I never talk about this stuff. I'm not going to now, but I'm just, you know, let's be real. Like, the reason people don't say obvious, non hateful things like, you shouldn't be prevented from criticizing a foreign country in your own country. The reason they don't even say that is because they know what the consequence, the real consequence, not a joke consequences. These are not people who are kidding.

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:49Tucker Carlson?

  Are you, are you comfortable with that? Like, why'd you decide to do this? You don't need to do this.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, so we've already dealt with a lot of consequences, right? And so, first of all, you know,

• 1:18:03Speaker 02

  They tell folks, don't do business with the young Turks, you know, or their

• 1:18:08Tucker Carlson?

  You know that?

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, I definitely know that. I know that for a fact.

• 1:18:11Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  And our network is called TYT. You know, we got a 24 hour channel and all these places. Everywhere but cable and, and they said, don't do, don't do sales, don't do investments, don't do anything because they're anti Semites. Okay. So, you know, take away their money. And make sure that they don't survive. And then they do propaganda to the audience. That's less effective. But, but for a while was effective. You know, oh, they're hateful people. They say they're on the left, but they, they, you know, they're bigots and they're this and they're that. And then every kind of attack against me. But the establishment media always hated me.

• 1:18:54Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 1:18:55Speaker 02

  Because I'm populist left and they despise populism. So

• 1:18:59Tucker Carlson?

  Certainly do.

• 1:19:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:00Tucker Carlson?

  Why do they despise populism, do you think?

• 1:19:02Speaker 02

  Because it's against the status quo. It's for change.

• 1:19:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  And if you're at the top, you don't want anything to change. They don't want to rock the boat because it's their boat.

• 1:19:11Tucker Carlson?

  That's why they murdered Huey Long. Populism has a pretty, pretty long and very violent history in the United States. Reaction to it.

• 1:19:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:19:20Tucker Carlson?

  You just get killed.

• 1:19:21Speaker 02

  So do we get death threats all the time? Right? Do we get threats of different sorts all the time? And if you like, if let's say that the Iranian government was threatening to kill me or their supporters were threatening to kill me or my family and they were doing all these attacks against our business, people would be, I think outraged, right? And Jake Tapper would love to talk about, there are Iranians interfering with an American company and threatening Americas. We should do something about Iran, right? Israel does it. Shut up, you anti Semite.

• 1:19:54Tucker Carlson?

  Jake Tapper hasn't defended you?

• 1:19:58Speaker 02

  Jake Tapper is gonna write a book one day. It turns out we were the problem. No one could have seen it coming. No, we see it now, Jake. You're the problem. Okay. And so this whole defense of Israel, over the top defense of Israel is absurd. It's insane while pretending to be objective. And, and they actively covering up the news. Here, let's do more.

• 1:20:18Tucker Carlson?

  But why get involved?

• 1:20:20Speaker 02

  Because I can't help it. Uh, I, I'm, I can't help but be free. And that's why I love this country. That's why it's just kind of made for me. A uniquely, uh, wonderful country for me and my personality. And I can't bow. I just can't do it.

• 1:20:36Tucker Carlson?

  I was on an airplane, uh, probably 20, 25 years ago with James Carterville, who was my co-host at CNN and, you know, a great guy in some ways, a great guy, very smart. And I said something about Israel, some humiliation. They were shooting into the church of the nativity, murdering a bell ringer. So I was like, oh, I don't want to fight about Israel. I never have wanted to, but I said, that is just too much. I mean, whatever it was at the moment. And he goes, I'll never forget this. He goes, watch kids get into college. I was like, uh, I guess I had little kids, a lot of them. And he goes, then you'll shut up. I was like, you think that would affect my kids' ability to get into college? I'd never even thought of that before. Of course. Then you'll shut up. Quote, that's a verbatim quote.

• 1:21:22Tucker Carlson?

  You want your kids to get into college and you'll shut up. And, and to my shame, I guess I, I did kind of shut up for like 20 years. It's like, I don't want to deal with this at all. I've got all kinds of things I'm interested in. I'm not that interested in Israel. Love Jerusalem, but like, I don't want to get involved. So the, I'm not trying to be melodramatic, but that's real. And did you ever have a moment where you're like, hmm? You know, I maybe, I maybe I don't, maybe I just ignore it. Let, let it, let it slide.

• 1:21:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, no.

• 1:21:51Speaker 02

  And so, uh, Tucker, it happened to me. So, um, there's a school, private school in, in Atlanta. It actually happened in two, in two different ways. So, um, uh, and we applied for my son to get into that private school. And my, one of my nephews happens to work, uh, as a volunteer in that school. And someone in admission told him, uh, his, uh, that my son's application was going to be hurt because of, uh, his dad's positions on Israel.

• 1:22:21Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  They actually said that out loud.

• 1:22:24Tucker Carlson?

  It's why the Israelis have been happy to murder tens of thousands of children in Gaza because they believe in blood guilt. That's just, that's just a, that's the truth. They say it out loud, Amalek. We believe in blood guilt, like the children are responsible for the sins of their parents. So we're gonna kill them or not let them into the school or, and we face this a lot in my family. So, yeah.

• 1:22:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that's a ramification for us personally. And as you know, Anna's husband is a coach at another private school and they tried to get him fired and they demanded like some sort of Maoist apology where he denounces his own wife and calls her an anti Semite publicly. And he's like, no, I'm not gonna do it.

• 1:23:00Tucker Carlson?

  His own wife?

• 1:23:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. They're like, you must denounce your own wife. Otherwise, we don't feel safe. Okay? What is that? What is that? And so-

• 1:23:09Tucker Carlson?

  We don't feel safe? You're threatening to wreck my family, but you're the one that doesn't feel safe?

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  Because it's always projection. They're always the victims. So like, why do I say Jake Tapper? Like Jake is just representative of the mainstream media overall. Israel keeps taking more and more land. You could see it on a map. They just took 53% of Gaza. And Jake and the rest go self-defense. No, but wait a minute, brother. I can see the map. Israel is growing. They say they want greater Israel. They're doing greater Israel. They're the ones that killed the Palestinians and then took their land. And then Jake goes, no, no, don't believe your lying eyes. Don't believe your lying ears. Israel is the victim. They're always the victim. They're gonna fire you, but they're the victim.

• 1:23:52Tucker Carlson?

  Work for? Like, why would you? That's absurd. Why would you say something like that? Who, like, where, what is your mission?

• 1:23:58Speaker 02

  Okay. And I challenge Jake. I challenge all of cable news anchors. So why don't you talk about, for example, one of hundreds of things that we've mentioned here, but another one is nine Americans killed in Israel over the last three years. Nine Americans killed not accidentally, but by Israeli settlers or the IDF. Murder.

• 1:24:19Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  Actually. You know how much-

• 1:24:21Tucker Carlson?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:22Tucker Carlson?

  So sorry.

• 1:24:23Speaker 02

  Do you know how many consequences there's been? Zero. Our government does not ask for them to be arrested. What do you mean? What do you, an American citizen is killed?

• 1:24:33Tucker Carlson?

  What about Mike Huckabee? He's the American ambassador.

• 1:24:36Speaker 02

  Who just met with Jonathan Pollard, the trader in the US Embassy without telling the CIA or Donald Trump. Mike Huckabee is not our ambassador, he's their ambassador.

• 1:24:45Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 1:24:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:24:46Tucker Carlson?

  It's sad to see a man so degraded.

• 1:24:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. So where's our justice for the nine Americans killed? Are we gonna even ask for justice? Or is Israel literally above the law? They can kill Americans and totally get away with it. Our government won't even ask for redress, right?

• 1:25:05Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I think we know that's true already.

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  But it's a fact. It's not disputable. And then you got Tom Alexandrich. So he's the guy who was an Israeli cybersecurity official, goes to Vegas and looks to rape an American girl, right? So he's like, oh, this is a great opportunity for basically pedophile tourism. I'll go to America and I know as an Israeli, I won't, I won't be held accountable. So he gets caught in a sting operation. Got him. Okay, good. Gets caught with eight other Americans who were also involved in that operation? The eight Americans are in jail right now in Nevada. Alexandrich back to Israel, free ride.

• 1:25:44Tucker Carlson?

  How?

• 1:25:44Speaker 02

  But wait, you can't say that the Americans who did something terrible should be in prison. Great, wonderful, totally agree. But the Israeli is allowed to do it and he can rape any American girl he wants here and he gets a free ride back to Israel. No, no. So right now he's technically under arrest, but our government isn't doing anything to try to get him back? No, we want him extradited.

• 1:26:06Tucker Carlson?

  But what about Mike Huckabee? Is he going, is he brokering an extradition? Cause he tried to rape an American girl, you say?

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  That's a fact. Uh, no, Mike Huckabee is not doing anything. So the Americans killed, no consequence. Americans.

• 1:26:21Tucker Carlson?

  Did Mike Huckabee complain about the nine Ameri-, you said nine Americans have been killed?

• 1:26:25Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:26:26Tucker Carlson?

  Did Huckabee say anything about it?

• 1:26:28Speaker 02

  Not to my knowledge. If he said anything, it's been incredibly quiet. Okay. And hey, Mike Huckabee, if you want to prove me wrong, get out there and fight for it. So god damn it, they killed nine Americans. I'm gonna fight like hell. Forget tomorrow, forget yesterday. You'll focus on tomorrow. Go get him Ambassador Huckabee. Let's see what you got. The demand that they extradite Aleksandarovich back to Nevada, where he faces consequences like the other people who were caught. Where are you? Where are you? I mean, this happens over and over again through the, since Israel has been formed. Robert Maxwell stole our nuclear secrets. The worst possible thing you could do. We didn't even arrest him. Why didn't, and when I looked into, why didn't we arrest Robert Maxwell?

• 1:27:10Speaker 02

  It because it would have caused an international incident that embarrassed Israel. Well, they should be embarrassed. They stole our nuclear secrets when they were pretending to be our allies. They should be deeply, deeply embarrassed. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not only was Robert Maxwell not arrested, he was allowed to buy textbooks in America for that go into our kids' schools. We're letting a traitor like that, a guy, he wasn't American, but he was a British citizen. He was a, you know, and, and, and he lived here, he lived there. And we're letting him buy the textbooks that go into our kids' schools? After, after he stole our nuclear secrets? And eventually got a state funeral. Again, heroes welcome in Israel.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  Congratulations. Are we ever gonna stand up for this country? So how about the spies we caught after 9/11? We can put aside whether they knew, didn't know what, what their activity was, but we rounded up dozens and dozens of Israeli spies. Okay, great, great job FBI, CIA, whoever did it. Fantastic. Really proud of you. And then we let them go back to Israel. Is that a thing we do? If we catch a Russian spy, or an Iranian spy, or a Dutch spy, do we go, oh, you're free to go? Aren't we supposed to arrest them and keep them in prison? But when it comes to Israel, there are no laws, there are no rules. They're allowed to do anything you want, and if you object, Jake Tapper comes out and calls you an anti-Semite.

• 1:28:35Tucker Carlson?

  So a year ago this week, the new president, right after inauguration, issued an executive order, uh, declaring that all files related to the Kennedy assassination, MLK, um, and Bobby Kennedy's assassination had to be released. And they, they haven't all been, unfortunately, but, um, in tranches of documents that have Been released in the last 12 months, we've seen again and again, references to Israel have been, and there are a lot of references to Israel in the files around the Kennedy assassination, interestingly, have all been redacted, all been redacted for 62 years, 63 years. It's like, what? I don't understand. Like, why would that be? Why are there two monuments to Jim Angleton in Israel, you know? The number two at CIA. I think it's all very, very odd.

• 1:29:20Tucker Carlson?

  And you hear people complain about conspiracy theories, and I'm definitely against conspiratorial thinking because it drives you crazy. On the other hand, in the absence of transparency, that stuff grows like algae. I mean, what do you think? If you don't tell people the truth, like, what are they supposed to think? They're going to come up with all kinds of theories. Why can't, why would you redact references to Israel in the Kennedy files for six decades? Like, what is that?

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  That's almost an admission. So, like, I didn't know-

• 1:29:48Tucker Carlson?

  It is, it's very odd, I'll say that.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  So I didn't know that until recently, and again, established media never talks about these things. And again, it's not just about Israel. So, for example, on 9/11, we're redacting references to the Saudis.

• 1:30:00Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  Why? Why? So they say, well, they're our allies. Well, if they're our allies, then maybe they shouldn't have had a hand in 9/11, right? They didn't have a hand in 9/11. Okay, great, then show me the redacted part. No, I won't show you the redacted part. Okay, now this is weird. Now this is our government working for other governments. And what happened after 9/11? We rounded up all the Bin Ladens. Yes, there were Bin Ladens in America. And we rounded up all the Israeli spies, and yes, there was tons and tons of Israeli spies in America.

• 1:30:28Tucker Carlson?

  Following the 19 hijackers around the country.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 1:30:32Speaker 02

  And what did we do? We rounded them up. Oh, great, we got them. And we released them back to Saudi Arabia and Israel.

• 1:30:38Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:38Speaker 02

  No, that's our government-

• 1:30:39Tucker Carlson?

  And then we invade Iraq.

• 1:30:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:40Tucker Carlson?

  Which had nothing to do with that. And increased domestic police powers to the point where the country's not recognizable from what it was on September 10th, 2001.

• 1:30:49Speaker 02

  That's our government working for other governments.

• 1:30:52Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I'm aware.

• 1:30:53Speaker 02

  And I can't stand it. So which leads us to Epstein. Okay, so here's another one. Dropsite News has proven definitively that, in my opinion, and we'll talk about that- Evidence that Epstein worked for an intelligence agency and almost certainly Mossad.

• 1:31:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:08Speaker 02

  Okay. And almost certainly the CIA knew it.

• 1:31:11Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:31:12Speaker 02

  Okay. So now what's the evidence? It's overwhelming. First of all, in all the emails, he is looking to help one country. No, it's not Finland and no, it's not America. It's Israel. So how do we get cyber weapons to Israel? How do we get America to bomb Syria? How do we get America to bomb Iran? Okay. Hey, Ehud Barak, former prime minister of Israel. I can set up a meeting with you with Putin. Wait, Epstein is so powerful? He can set up meetings that the former prime minister of Israel can't. He can call Putin anytime and get someone a meeting. Then we find out that he was in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair. He was the one switching the planes out. How many civilians were involved in the Iran-Contra affair?

• 1:31:57Speaker 02

  Easy answer, zero. There are no civilians involved in Iran-Contra. Everyone was intelligence. Okay? So this guy switching out planes in the middle of Iran-Contra is obviously intelligence. And that's Jeffrey Epstein. Okay? So Jeffrey Epstein was much more powerful than we realized. He could set up a meeting with almost any world leader. He could get almost anyone into the White House. Again, Ehud Barak has trouble getting into the White House. Epstein makes a call, boom, he's in the White House. Israeli spy stays over at Epstein's house. There's just no question about it. He is definitely intelligence and in every turn, he's looking to help one country and it's Israel. American media says, shut up. No, Jeffrey Epstein, New York Times has a story about him. He's like a Forrest Gump.

• 1:32:42Speaker 02

  He just tripped over the money and oh God, golly gee, he just happened to be an savvy investor. And they did nothing to see here. Now, Drop Site News already showed it. Why wouldn't you try to build on that? Why wouldn't you cover that? Is that not an interesting story?

• 1:32:58Tucker Carlson?

  I think it qualifies. I don't understand. I'm not pretending to understand it, but it's certainly interesting.

• 1:33:04Speaker 02

  It's certainly interesting?

• 1:33:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:05Speaker 02

  I mean, and by the way.

• 1:33:06Tucker Carlson?

  And it seems significant, too.

• 1:33:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. If you're the New York Times or you're JTapper, you're CNN, disprove it. I don't want to believe something that's wrong. So show me, oh, no, Drop Site News got it wrong. Those emails are wrong. It turns out he was working for Sweet. Okay, or no one, fine, but they don't do that. They don't disprove it. They don't prove it. They don't report on it. They never ever talk about it. That is super weird. Super weird.

• 1:33:34Tucker Carlson?

  Well, speaking of an admission of guilt, yeah.

• 1:33:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, cuz that is the most interesting story in a long, long time. Obviously, the American people are captivated by it.

• 1:33:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:33:43Speaker 02

  Is the New York Times and CNN claiming that they're not captivated by it? No, they obviously are, right? And they report about it as it affects Trump all the time. Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, right? I'm not saying that Trump didn't know Epstein. He did. I'm not saying they weren't great friends. They were, right? But

• 1:34:01Tucker Carlson?

  It's a bigger story, I think we can say.

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  It's a bigger story than just Trump.

• 1:34:04Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, I think it is.

• 1:34:06Speaker 02

  But whenever it comes to Trump, they're like, yes, it was Trump. It was Trump. Why? Magic. You don't want to have people look here. This is where the real action is. So get them to look here. Get them to look here.

• 1:34:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, it's three card Monte.

• 1:34:17Speaker 02

  Yes, it's all an illusion. So it's unconscionable not to talk about Epstein's connections to intelligence, including Mossad and including the CIA.

• 1:34:27Tucker Carlson?

  For sure. And British intelligence and French. And what was this? I mean, you get the sense that it reveals the, you know, the superstructure beneath, you know, it gives you a glimpse into how power is exercised globally, cuz it is global, right? And I, you know, there's so much that I know a lot about the Epstein story, and I'm still totally ignorant about what that was. I really don't understand it. But it's obvious there's, it's a third rail for a reason.

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So that's why, right now, there's a bit of a revolution going on.

• 1:35:01Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think there is?

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  There is, yeah. And so, again, another reason why they hate you so much, because the left wing was already gone, you know, 92% disapproving of the actions of Israel in Gaza. And our politicians already gave us the middle finger and said, no, we'll lose this election rather than defy Israel. We'll lose Michigan. We'll lose swing states. We don't care. We serve Israel loyally. Okay? Now, there's a bunch of Democrats that are against that, Rokana being the leading guy. Saying, no, I want to see the Epstein files. No, I think Palestine should exist. I don't know why, why everybody talks about Israel should be allowed to exist. Good news, they do, right? And they have nukes and they have Iron Dome that nobody has. They're about as safe a country as you could find on planet Earth. No one else has Iron Dome.

• 1:35:47Speaker 02

  Only a handful of countries have nukes. They have a better military than the rest of the Middle East combined. They're perfectly safe. Then you say, okay, you're good, you exist. We're all in favor of that. Now Palestine should exist. They're like, how dare you, you anti Semite? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're the bigot. You're the bigot saying that another people should not have freedom. They should, you should, they've kept those people enslaved, five and a half million Palestinians for 58 years. And then they brag, oh, Israel's the best democracy and the only democracy in the Middle East. Well, it's a democracy within Israel. It's a dictatorship within the occupied territories. What is happening in the occupied territories?

• 1:36:23Tucker Carlson?

  There's a bit of a dictatorship now in mainland Israel for, for Israeli Jews too. I mean, you're not welcome to, well, first of all, they try to keep people from leaving the country of restricted freedom of movement. And there, I mean, you get the cops at your door for saying certain things in that country. It's in many countries, that's, that's true, but it's also true there. So like, come on now.

• 1:36:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:36:42Tucker Carlson?

  Stop, stop lying to me.

• 1:36:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and so the media, they, they're an enormous part of the problem. So you see our politicians, both under Democratic and Republican Presidents and administrations say, no, we're not going to release the Epstein files. No, we're going to give Epstein a sweetheart deal back in 2008. And then we're going to take Alex Acosta and make him the Labor Secretary under Trump.

• 1:37:05Tucker Carlson?

  Right? That was the funniest thing that's ever happened. Didn't work very well.

• 1:37:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. And by the way, oh, Ghislaine Maxwell, that sounds familiar. Oh, she's the daughter of Robert Maxwell, legendary Israeli spy who stole our nuclear secrets. By the way, I don't know that that's ever been mentioned on cable news, ever. Isn't that a super interesting fact that the main co-conspirator of Jeffrey Epstein, that her dad was the biggest spy Israel's ever had? Now, you could say, hey, the sins of the father are not passed on to the daughter. So that doesn't prove anything, but it's at least an interesting fact.

• 1:37:40Tucker Carlson?

  And it's not even the most interesting. In my opinion, the most interesting fact is Attorney General Barr covered up Epstein's murder because he was murdered. And he covered it up as the Attorney General of the United States and said, we have to let people know this was a suicide. Like number one rule is don't let them think it was a murder. He said that before they'd done an investigation into it. So like, that's a cover up by definition. You don't even know the facts, but you're reaching a conclusion and commanding everyone else reach the same conclusion. You're covering it up. And then it turns out his father, Donald Barr, got Jeff Epstein his first job teaching math at the Dalton School. He didn't even have a college degree. Okay. And then got him a job at Bear Stearns.

• 1:38:21Tucker Carlson?

  The Attorney General's father is the one who started Jeffrey Epstein's career and set him up with his friends in finance. And then his son becomes Attorney General and covers up his murder? I mean, what are the chances, Cenk? Like, what are the odds on that, do you think?

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  Then you combine that with the odds on the Maxwells. Then you combine that with the odds of Israeli spies and prime ministers staying at his house. And then you combine that with all the emails he's saying, I can't wait to get America to do what Israel wants.

• 1:38:49Tucker Carlson?

  Unlikely things happen, but we've all seen crazy things happen. It's like, oh, happenstance. And like, you know, sometimes it, you know, rolls up and you get the jackpot. I get it. And that is part of life. But if it keeps happening and you keep yelling at me for noticing, I think you think I'm dumb, right?

• 1:39:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so Tucker, what I think happened is-

• 1:39:09Tucker Carlson?

  Come on now.

• 1:39:11Speaker 02

  They, they're insulting our intelligence.

• 1:39:14Tucker Carlson?

  You think?

• 1:39:14Speaker 02

  A hundred percent. And so what, but there's something great happening at the same time. So, so politicians terrible, but now we got a little bit of rebellion on the Democratic side with the Conan and a couple of guys, a little bit of rebellion on the Republican side with Tom Massey, a little bit of anti-war with Rand Paul. Marjorie Taylor Greene was great. I wanted her to stay. By the way, the one person- They, we had Marjorie Taylor Greene on the show a couple of times. People started yelling at me, how dare you, what are you doing? She's the enemy and stuff. And I'm like, guys, they want you to think that the other side is the enemy. They want you to-

• 1:39:46Tucker Carlson?

  You had Marjorie on your show?

• 1:39:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:47Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, bless you. Good.

• 1:39:49Speaker 02

  So they want you to attack, use all of your energy and all of your fight against other Americans.

• 1:39:56Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  And so Marjorie Taylor Greene comes on and I said, well, I had her on because she's agreeing with us. She's, now, she's, she's anti-war. We're anti-war. Like, I'm taking yes for an answer, right?

• 1:40:10Tucker Carlson?

  Amen.

• 1:40:10Speaker 02

  They said, but she, did she ever do anything substantive to stand up to Israel? Yeah, actually she did. She's almost single-handedly killed a boycott, divestment and sanction bill in the House.

• 1:40:20Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  She said, no, this is taking away Americans' freedom of speech. I'm against it. And when she made a big deal out of it, it embarrassed the other Republicans because yeah, it's against our freedom of speech.

• 1:40:32Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  Right? And so she did do something great, right?

• 1:40:36Tucker Carlson?

  More than almost anyone.

• 1:40:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so I, I still disagree with Marjorie and you on other issues, right?

• 1:40:42Tucker Carlson?

  But why would people get, that's so interesting that

• 1:40:46Tucker Carlson?

  the people be mad at you for having her on when she's one of the only members of Congress, literally the only members who's doing the things that you have said that you believed in for a long, long time.

• 1:40:57Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 1:40:58Tucker Carlson?

  It's so strange.

• 1:41:00Speaker 02

  Because it's because we've been taught by who? By the media to hate each other and to have a tribal brain, partisan brain.

• 1:41:09Tucker Carlson?

  Totally true.

• 1:41:09Speaker 02

  Right? So, because if the left and the right, the Republicans and Democrats realize that the people rigging the rules are the ones with all the wealth and power up top, that is the only force that is mighty enough to take on the ruling class, the donor class. So that is why they have to get us fighting at all times. You must hate each other. Don't look up, whatever you do, don't look up. Hate each other, use all your energy this way. So unfortunately, our side got taught this too. So Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tucker Carlson, that's it. You can't ever talk to them. They're the bad guys, right? I'm like, are they still the bad guys if they agree with them?

• 1:41:50Tucker Carlson?

  Let's, let's, let's get back, what, let's define bad guy for a second.

• 1:41:54Speaker 02

  And, and do, wait. Do I have to change my position if Tucker agrees with me? Do I have to become pro-war?

• 1:42:05Tucker Carlson?

  All right, let's bomb Iran now. This is too much. I can't deal with it. Some podcaster agrees with me. I'm changing my mind.

• 1:42:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, so now Roe did something really smart, and this gets back to Marjorie in a sec. Roe took an executive order that Trump had about lowering drug prices, most favored nation's status, right? If France, Germany, Japan are paying this much, we should pay that much. Why are we financing the whole world? And that's what's happening. We're paying so much more, not than Ethiopia, but than other developed nations like Germany.

• 1:42:38Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, to subsidize drugs that aren't even made in this country.

• 1:42:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:43Tucker Carlson?

  It's so bonkers.

• 1:42:44Speaker 02

  By the way, we subsidize them in 100 different ways. We also, we pay for their research that goes to the universities, right?

• 1:42:50Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:42:50Speaker 02

  And then they, then we give them the patent. What? No, no, no, that patent is worth billions, maybe trillions of dollars. And the American taxpayer paid for that research. Should we not get equity? That is how capitalism works. When we bailed out the banks, should we have not gotten equity? If a private company bailed out the banks, they would have owned the banks. Okay, that's how capitalism works.

• 1:43:15Tucker Carlson?

  If you don't pay your mortgage, they own your house.

• 1:43:17Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 1:43:18Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  But for-

• 1:43:19Tucker Carlson?

  It's called collateral.

• 1:43:20Speaker 02

  Yes. But for the donor class, in that case, the pharmaceutical companies, nope, nope, just have it for free.

• 1:43:26Tucker Carlson?

  Right. You outsource the risk, you privatize the reward. It's the oldest system there is, and also the most immoral.

• 1:43:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so the reason why the tappers of the world hate left-wing populists is because we've been pointing this out for 20 years. So, so when Roe does this, and he goes, okay, look, the executive order, it's, it'll get knocked down by the courts. But good news, if we turn it into a bill, it can't get knocked down by the courts. So he took the executive order verbatim, didn't change a word, okay? And said, now let's pass it as a bill. And he got two or three Republican co-sponsors. I went to the Democrats, the couple of Democrats that I know in Congress. I was like, guys, this is beautiful. It's a layup. This is core Democratic policy. We got super lucky. Trump did an executive order doing our policies. So let's jump on Rose Bill. Nope. The only person I could

• 1:44:16Speaker 02

  convince to join Rose Bill was Marjorie Taylor Greene.

• 1:44:20Tucker Carlson?

  No way!

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:44:24Tucker Carlson?

  And what did Jake Tapper weigh in on this?

• 1:44:27Speaker 02

  So, no, here's my beef, old school beef with Jake. So, other than his nonstop defense of Israel.

• 1:44:34Speaker 02

  So, and I'm sure he'll object to that. I've slightly tweaked them from time to time. What do you mean? Okay, I'm like 12%, 11, 9, 7% against the genocide, okay? But it's not a genocide, you anti-Semite. So, I feel like Jake Tapper is looking down his nose at us every time he talks on TV. He's like, "And I will tell you this, Israel had nothing to do, none of the donors had anything to do with anything," right?

• 1:44:59Tucker Carlson?

  I feel like he, I don't, I know Jake well, but I feel like he's the one who's suffering. I feel like it hasn't worked. It's the prizes that he wanted, he weren't worth having. And he doesn't seem happy at all to me, but you know, maybe I'm just...

• 1:45:14Speaker 02

  So, God bless his heart. I wish him nothing but happiness.

• 1:45:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, me too.

• 1:45:18Speaker 02

  But, so how did it come about? So, when I ran for Congress, the media lied about me in hilarious ways, okay? So, and Jake joined in on that. So, they would take out of context clips and then Jake would retweet it and without even checking, "What? I thought you were a journalist." So, the New York Times said that I had a history of being anti-Muslim, and never mentioned that I was born Muslim and my family's Muslim and my background's Muslim, never mentioned it. The New York Times described me in such a vicious way that if I was a voter in that district that I was running in, I would have voted against me, right? Because I don't want to vote for an anti-Muslim, anti-Semite, anti-everything. They painted me as like some like vicious racist right-winger,

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  when I was the biggest supporter of Bernie Sanders in the primaries, right? In 2016, 2020, etc. So, and then they said, "Oh, he had an interview with David Duke," where I lit into David Duke, because David Duke was saying outwardly anti-Semitic things.

• 1:46:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:16Speaker 02

  And I called him an anti-Semite, a bigot, all these things. You know me, I...

• 1:46:20Tucker Carlson?

  And also a federal informant, just to be, just to add to the list.

• 1:46:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, and so, and an idiot, etc. So, I said all those things in the interview. I hold, no holds barred of Young Turks, right? New York Times said that I agreed with David Duke that he was not a racist.

• 1:46:37Speaker 02

  And other outlets said that I brought David Duke on to share his anti Semitic views.

• 1:46:41Tucker Carlson?

  No way.

• 1:46:42Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so other journalists watched the interview. Well, they want to see how terribly anti Semitic and racist Jenk was pretending to be a left winger and all this. And I'm like, holy shit, you guys are totally lying. The exact opposite happened in the interview. So New York Times had to do a rare correction on that one. They're like, okay, fine. All right. He was being sarcastic. Fine. Okay. But we, by the way, I had a PR person because it was a congressional run. They, and they're really well connected to all these folks. They called the New York Times. They called the editor and the editor, this is amazing. The editor told them, and I don't know why they say these things. I'm stunned that they say them out loud, but the editor told them, look, you're right. I watched the David Duke

• 1:47:23Speaker 02

  interview. We got to retract it. And you're right about the Muslims thing. You're right about the beastality thing, which we'll get back to.

• 1:47:29Tucker Carlson?

  Beastality.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Which is hilarious. That's, that's my favorite. Hold on. So he says, but I, I went around and I asked, and everyone here hates Jenk. And they don't want to do a correction. The best I could do was get a correction on the David Duke one, because that one's so over the top.

• 1:47:48Speaker 02

  Everyone here hates Jenk? That's amazing. That's amazing.

• 1:47:53Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:54Speaker 02

  I don't know how many people he asked. I don't know if he has three people, 13 people. It was probably a small group that was working on that group. So, but the fact that he would say that to our PR guy is unbelievable, right? So now the beastality one. Okay. So I do a segment on the Young Turks like over a decade ago. And I say, we had this guy, Rodelle, that was having sex with horses in, in Tennessee. And I thought, we thought, what a bizarre, crazy story. He gave the horse an STD. Okay. We're like, Rodelle, what are you doing? What are you doing? We're making fun of this guy. Then I really dryly, I go, you know what? If the horse is receiving it, you know, I don't know that the horse is objecting, right? They cut the tape. And he goes, that's it.

• 1:48:35Speaker 02

  A Jenk's for beastality. Okay. Now, if you keep rolling the tape, what I say next is, is the horse going to object? Nay. And then everybody in the studio laughs.

• 1:48:46Tucker Carlson?

  That's pretty funny, actually.

• 1:48:47Speaker 02

  Yeah. And everybody laughs, but they cut that part out. Right? So New York Times made it seem like it was part of my legislative agenda.

• 1:48:57Tucker Carlson?

  Or sex?

• 1:48:58Speaker 02

  Yes. I mean, isn't that like an old Lyndon Johnson quote?

• 1:49:01Tucker Carlson?

  It's it's very much like a very, I can't say it's too vulgar, but yes. And the idea was to accuse your opponent of, well, bestiality. Not because it's true, because then he'll have to deny it and repeat it.

• 1:49:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. And here I am denying it.

• 1:49:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, here, when the conversation is about bestiality, you're not winning.

• 1:49:18Speaker 02

  It doesn't matter. So that's why they do tricks like that. And Tapper's like, retweet. Love it. Who cares? Oh, I wonder what he said next is not a thought he had in his mind, apparently. Right?

• 1:49:30Tucker Carlson?

  That's amazing.

• 1:49:31Speaker 02

  So that's how they do character assassinations. Okay?

• 1:49:34Tucker Carlson?

  But you said, so but you said at the outset, um, that they're losing. And I think I do think that's like the real lesson here. So like I was at CNN with Jake, you know, 25 years ago, and that was like a big to us. It was, you know, in your twenties. It's like a big thing. We're at CNN. We're, oh, it's so great. And he stayed and, um, and you get to 2026. It's like, who would want a job at CNN? Like, I don't think, again, the prize is worth winning. Like, you don't actually want that. Not just because it's liberal or whatever dishonest, because like, nobody cares.

• 1:50:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:06Tucker Carlson?

  Like, it doesn't mean anything anymore. Or maybe I'm just too out of it. And I think that, do you think it still means something?

• 1:50:13Speaker 02

  No, it means very little, but in their world, that's still high status for them.

• 1:50:17Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:50:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. And they're, oh, of course. So, look, Tug, look at our careers and, and how much things have changed in the last 10, 15 years.

• 1:50:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:28Speaker 02

  And so when I was a, a host on MSNBC at six o'clock, um, back in 2011, that was highly celebrated. I mean,

• 1:50:39Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:50:40Speaker 02

  I instantly started winning awards and getting speeches, paid speeches, and all these amazing things that I never got online. We're the, we're the first YouTube partner channel ever. I'm, I'm the original YouTuber.

• 1:50:53Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:50:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, I've gotten.

• 1:50:55Tucker Carlson?

  The Unturxes?

• 1:50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:56Tucker Carlson?

  I didn't know that.

• 1:50:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:57Tucker Carlson?

  What year did you start it?

• 1:50:59Speaker 02

  So we started the show back in 2002. So we've been around 23 years. We were the original talk show for Sirius Satellite Radio. So we're the first show there.

• 1:51:10Speaker 02

  Then we went to Air America that you remember the liberal radio.

• 1:51:13Tucker Carlson?

  Very well, yeah.

• 1:51:13Speaker 02

  And we were their morning drive. Um, and then we went, so as part of that, we were all over, radio markets throughout the country on XM. And we did great. Our ratings were terrific in, in different places. Then we started online video in 2005 and we're the oldest running show in internet history. We're the longest running show there is online.

• 1:51:34Tucker Carlson?

  That's amazing. I did not know that. That's amazing.

• 1:51:36Speaker 02

  So that's pretty neat. We feel good about it. Now.

• 1:51:39Tucker Carlson?

  But there wasn't a ton of prestige attached to that for the first 10 years, right?

• 1:51:44Speaker 02

  God, I was mocked.

• 1:51:45Tucker Carlson?

  You're on the internet.

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:47Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, I was on television, so I know that I looked down on the internet, some internet show. Internet.

• 1:51:54Speaker 02

  People told us, they told us like, why would you leave Sirius Satellite Radio to go do YouTube? Like, what are you on there with the cats playing piano?

• 1:52:03Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent. Fat kid falls off bike. Yeah.

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so, and I keep turning down money. At Sirius, they offered us a quarter of a million to not do online video. And I was like, no, no, online video is the future. I'm going to do online video by hook or by crook. I believe in it a thousand percent. I wrote my friends an email in 1998 saying online video was going to be TV, that it was only a matter of time. Okay. So that's why we're the first YouTube partner because I was positive not only that online video was going to win, but YouTube was going to win. And so the entire time mainstream media is mocking us, et cetera. But then in 2011, I did a campaign to get on MSNBC and our audience is amazing, best audience in the

• 1:52:45Speaker 02

  world. They sent thousands of emails to MSNBC until I finally got a meeting. My agent originally fired me. I declared my candidacy for the open position at MSNBC. And the guy who worked for us at CIA at the time was like, this is embarrassing. You're not going to get the job. And so don't do that. It'll be very public. And I was like, brother, I got news for you. I wasn't going to get the job anyway. Okay.

• 1:53:09Tucker Carlson?

  Fair, fair.

• 1:53:10Speaker 02

  And so, and I'm a risk taker and I'm a natural born rebel. So I'm going to go for it. And I, and I believe in my audience. And they did. They got me the job there. Great news.

• 1:53:19Tucker Carlson?

  That's wild.

• 1:53:20Speaker 02

  It was amazing. And then they kept watching and watching. We're like doubling the ratings of the regular hosts. It's unseen, unheard of. Like if a guest host fills in and gets about 75% of the audience, that's a pretty good job.

• 1:53:33Tucker Carlson?

  Definitely.

• 1:53:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a nice job. I mean, 125, 150 on some super rare occasions got 200%. So doubling the audience, but 125, 150% of the regular hosts on a consistent basis, to the point where a supervising producer came in, closed the door on a day we had great ratings, and Jenk, you gotta bring it down. I said, why?

• 1:53:54Tucker Carlson?

  Stop rating so high.

• 1:53:56Speaker 02

  He said, because the other hosts won't want you to fill in for them.

• 1:54:00Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that is a real thing.

• 1:54:01Speaker 02

  That's a real thing.

• 1:54:02Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 1:54:03Speaker 02

  And so.

• 1:54:04Tucker Carlson?

  I never felt that way. I'm not competitive, but there are a lot of people would not have you sit in as a guy. I mean, that actually happened to me. A very famous host stopped having me because I did decent numbers. They don't want that. I get it, you know, but.

• 1:54:16Speaker 02

  But good news, they got, the ratings were so good, I got the job anyway. I'm on there for six months and then at the, but in the middle, I kept criticizing the Democrats. And I kept criticizing Obama from the left, not from the right, but from the left. They're like, remember who the home team is.

• 1:54:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:33Speaker 02

  Remember who the home team is.

• 1:54:35Tucker Carlson?

  That's right.

• 1:54:35Speaker 02

  Right? And I'm like, yeah, the home team's the audience. That's why I have higher ratings than you've ever had at six o'clock.

• 1:54:41Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:54:41Speaker 02

  And, and they made me an offer that they thought I couldn't refuse, which was, you know what, we're gonna move you down to the weekends, even though you have the best ratings we've had. And by the way, I beat Fox in 18 to 34. I was the only MSNBC show to beat Fox in any demographic. Okay. And they're like, we're moving you down to the weekends. Why? They won't say it, but Phil did say it earlier on, he had pulled me into his office.

• 1:55:06Tucker Carlson?

  This is Phil Griffin, the then president.

• 1:55:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, of MSNBC. And he said, I was, I was in Washington and they're not happy with your tone.

• 1:55:14Tucker Carlson?

  Uh, Washington's not happy. Hmm hmm.

• 1:55:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:19Tucker Carlson?

  What? It's like a movie.

• 1:55:20Speaker 02

  It is. It's like, but it's a B rate movie.

• 1:55:22Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 1:55:23Speaker 02

  It's, I'm like, why are you?

• 1:55:24Tucker Carlson?

  Reason I believe you, I work for Phil Griffin, so I know who I will always like. But he's not a genius at all. And so he says true things out loud because he doesn't sort of know. I mean, I can literally picture him saying, Jenka, Washington's not happy.

• 1:55:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. He know, he went further. He said outsiders are cool and they wear leather jackets and ride motorcycles. Okay. But we're NBC. We're not outsiders. We're insiders. I'm like, Phil, this is a dumb, like, I'm thinking this is a dumb speech. And I'm the very last guy on earth you should be giving this speech to, right? So that's why he offered to double my salary when he said move to the weekends. Because the only way you stay on cable news is if you play ball.

• 1:56:06Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:56:07Speaker 02

  Right? And at some point, apparently you were, they were not happy with you.

• 1:56:12Tucker Carlson?

  Apparently.

• 1:56:12Speaker 02

  And.

• 1:56:13Tucker Carlson?

  And that was the message I received. Yes.

• 1:56:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. No one ever explained it, but I don't, I didn't care.

• 1:56:18Speaker 02

  Now, when I said no to MSNBC and when you came off of Fox, in their minds, we were gone. We were dead. We didn't exist anymore. But yet here we are.

• 1:56:29Tucker Carlson?

  No, I, I think that I'm thankful to God all the time for that. But no, I totally agree. And part of it's the technology and I just wasn't far sighted or broad minded enough to see it early at all. I mean, I was busy scrambling up the greasy pole and I have television and I just didn't, I don't know. I didn't see it. You know, I made fun of Rogan. I've told Rogan this. I made fun of Rogan. Oh, a podcast. Oh, I'm sure a lot of people listen to that. Or the internet. I was like, the internet, please. So you saw it. I wish I had seen it. I didn't. But I also think it's not just technology. It's a way of thinking. And it's super obvious. I wrote a part of a book on this once that, that your opening line is the truest thing. Some of this is real. A lot of it is fake.

• 1:57:14Tucker Carlson?

  Go fight amongst yourselves while we loot the place. Like, that is true.

• 1:57:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. So what they do is they eventually remove anyone who objects to the system.

• 1:57:25Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  Right. So another good example is Dylan Ratigan. So Dylan Ratigan was.

• 1:57:29Tucker Carlson?

  Always admired Dylan Ratigan.

• 1:57:31Speaker 02

  Yep. He was a CNBC, started their two most successful shows. Biggest, most successful anchor they've ever had, but after 2008 crash, he said it was the banks because it was the banks.

• 1:57:44Tucker Carlson?

  How is that controversial?

• 1:57:46Speaker 02

  And CNBC had to take him off the air.

• 1:57:48Tucker Carlson?

  Who else was it?

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  Who else was it?

• 1:57:50Tucker Carlson?

  The borrowers? It's the borrowers fault?

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  That was.

• 1:57:53Tucker Carlson?

  Who wrote the loans of the banks?

• 1:57:56Speaker 02

  So that's how the ecosystem works. Those banks pay the politicians. By the way, number one donor to hope and change Obama in 2008 were the banks. Okay. So then they get a giant bailout and their bonuses are paid. And with some of those winnings, they funnel the money back to the politicians. And then how they control media? Well, the banks are also huge advertisers.

• 1:58:20Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, but are you, is that true? I mean, okay, so oh, eight happens. The global financial crisis totally changed the world forever. And there's not a single human being, honest person who could say it wasn't the banks. I mean, what else would it be if it wasn't the banks? It was only the banks. It was the banks by definition. And he actually got taken off the air for saying that. Cause if you can't say that, then you can't acknowledge like daylight or gravity.

• 1:58:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:47Tucker Carlson?

  But that's true. That's really what happened.

• 1:58:48Speaker 02

  That's definitely what happened. Yes.

• 1:58:51Tucker Carlson?

  It's pretty wild.

• 1:58:52Speaker 02

  They said it was the borrowers. They did.

• 1:58:54Tucker Carlson?

  It was the borrowers?

• 1:58:55Speaker 02

  Yes. It was their fault. They were being irresponsible. They shouldn't have, they shouldn't have borrowed so much.

• 1:59:01Tucker Carlson?

  They wrote their own loans. Is that what they, is that the allegation?

• 1:59:03Speaker 02

  I mean, why?

• 1:59:04Tucker Carlson?

  Some housekeeper in Clark County, Nevada was writing bad loans to herself.

• 1:59:09Speaker 02

  And golly gee, we couldn't tell because we didn't do any due diligence on that loan. Well, why didn't you do any due diligence on that loan? Right?

• 1:59:16Tucker Carlson?

  Cause they didn't care.

• 1:59:17Speaker 02

  And because they were using it for collateralized debt obligations.

• 1:59:20Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:59:21Speaker 02

  And leveraging it up a hundred to one and gambling with our money.

• 1:59:24Tucker Carlson?

  They weren't actually mortgages. They were financial instruments. And we thought we were taking bank loans. They were loaning that money out at interest and then we're getting the, you know, equity in the house or whatever. Not what it was.

• 1:59:36Speaker 02

  And Dylan talks about how in the beginning, we used to do wealth creation.

• 1:59:39Tucker Carlson?

  Right?

• 1:59:40Speaker 02

  Now mainly it's wealth extraction.

• 1:59:43Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I've noticed.

• 1:59:43Speaker 02

  And so those donors have, having bought Congress and the media are sitting there and extracting as much from us as humanly possible. The oil companies are very successful. Some of the top companies in the world. Very, very profitable. We give them $35 billion in subsidies every year. Why? Why is the average person working their ass off in Kansas, barely making, you know, the rent or the mortgage, have to give money to these incredibly profitable companies to incentivize oil drilling we're here? Do they need further incentive? I thought capitalism was the incentive. I thought profit was the incentive. Why do I have to further incentivize all companies to do their jobs?

• 2:00:27Tucker Carlson?

  It's a good point. It's determined by the market price of oil, the per barrel price of oil, which is set on international markets. No individual controls that. And so when it's profitable to drill for oil or gas, they do. And when it's not, they don't. Like, that's called the market, right?

• 2:00:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, and here's another thing that's never corrected on cable news, even though it would be against Trump. So they have every reason to to publicize this. So when we invade Venezuela, or we attack Venezuela, and now we're getting their oil, right? But wait, who's we? The American people don't get the oil of Venezuela. It has nothing to do with the American people. No, ExxonMobil gets a contract. Chevron gets a contract with Venezuela. They get the oil. They get the profits. They sell it on the world market, not just American market at all. They have no obligation. If they want, they don't have to send, sell Americans a single ounce of that oil, because it is their oil, not our

• 2:01:22Speaker 02

  oil. And why does that even matter? Because ExxonMobil, otherwise, would have had to pay a higher price to get Venezuelan oil. It's not like they couldn't. They could just make a deal with Venezuela. But they chose not to because they thought it would be too expensive. So instead, we have to start a war. We have to pay for that war. And then we pay oil subsidies on top for the oil companies, and they get the oil. They settle on the world markets. It doesn't lower our prices at all. And so what did we get out of this?

• 2:01:49Tucker Carlson?

  Well, so the plan on this, and who knows how it'll work out, I don't know. But the plan is for the administration to negotiate the oil contracts, and for the money to go to the administration, and then to be doled out to the treasury, and then the companies. That's, that's the stated plan. I happened to be there the other day when they were talking about it.

• 2:02:12Speaker 02

  So is the plan to take a percentage of the Venezuelan oil and just give it to America?

• 2:02:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:02:18Speaker 02

  That is unprecedented.

• 2:02:19Tucker Carlson?

  That's the stated plan. Um, I'm not an expert. I'm not, you know, an energy person. I'm interested, but I'm not an expert. I don't speak Spanish. Like there's a lot of ignorance. And, and of course I can't see the future, but yes, that's the stated plan. That's what Trump said to, I was having lunch with Trump and he's like, oh, come to the oil meeting. I'm like, I don't, you know, it's not my world. So I was like, okay. So I go up there and all these heads of the big oil companies, including Exxon, they didn't seem too enthusiastic about it, but we'll see. And I just happened to be sitting in the room totally by accident. I mean, literally by accident, because he's asked me to come. And he's like, he's telling him, he's like, no, no, no.

• 2:02:58Tucker Carlson?

  This is for our country and you'll get a cut that I will decide. You know, I can just tell you what I saw.

• 2:03:05Speaker 02

  So this A, that's not how it should work, right? Because when you say to a different country, we're going to come and we're going to take your natural resources. And we're just going to take a certain amount for us. Period. Sad day for you. What will happen is an insurgency. Um, people will be mad about that.

• 2:03:22Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's the concern. I mean, and the other point that he made again, I don't know where this is going. I am literally praying for stability in Venezuela and around the world. I hate the chaos. I hate the chaos in Israel unleashes so much. We unleash so much. It's just the worst thing that we do. But, uh, the idea is that they have cash, big time cash shortages. You have to pay the military. You have to pay the government workers. You have to make sure inflation doesn't add control, the currency doesn't collapse, et cetera, et cetera. And that oil profits will go to Venezuela. This is the stated aim, uh, to keep the country from falling apart and to prevent insurgencies, which they're afraid of. Cause then like, how is that a win?

• 2:04:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, so I to say that I'm enormously skeptical.

• 2:04:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I get it. I get it. I get it.

• 2:04:07Speaker 02

  So you know, in Iraq, we didn't get any of the oil. The oil companies got it and it didn't help us at all.

• 2:04:12Tucker Carlson?

  Trump's been mad about it ever since.

• 2:04:14Speaker 02

  We called a lot of the Latin American countries banana republics. Why? We did coups on behalf of banana companies. It's not their fault. It's our fault. Our banana. Did we get the bananas? No. Dole got the bananas. They sold them at a the same exact price. They just had a higher profit margin.

• 2:04:29Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  We literally attacked countries for Halliburton's profit, for Dole.

• 2:04:34Tucker Carlson?

  I'm aware.

• 2:04:35Speaker 02

  Companies profits. So who is we? Who is the American people? Right? And and when do we ever get represented?

• 2:04:41Tucker Carlson?

  I could not, you know, I vehemently agree. Um, and the space between intent and reality is often very wide. So you don't, you know, you don't know what's going to happen. But it's I, the only thing that I learned, and I was didn't go to Washington to talk about Venezuela. But I just happened to see this. The main thing that I learned is what's being described is a brand new, brand new system. And whether that'll happen, you know, a lot of powerful forces don't want it to happen, but that's what is being described is a totally new arrangement. We'll see.

• 2:05:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, look, my sense of it is when you go and you attack other countries, our military is amazing. Best in the world, best that's ever been created, right?

• 2:05:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 2:05:25Speaker 02

  So that was an amazing mission that they did in Venezuela and an amazing one they did in Iran. But you do three or four of those and you're going to get burned because it's just a matter of chances.

• 2:05:34Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's, I think that's right. And, um, yeah, it's just wrong. It's just wrong. Nice. No, I agree with everything that you said. And just in general, it's good to know your limits. I think humility is important. I think you can really get hurt. I've gotten hurt in my life because I imagined I had powers I didn't have. Like, I think it's a very male thing. I could do that.

• 2:05:54Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, guys, I just wanted the audience to know, once we lose some men, right? Like, I don't know where it's going to happen. I don't know if it's in Venezuela, Iran, or somewhere else.

• 2:06:03Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 2:06:04Speaker 02

  But somebody's going to get shot down. We're going to lose 12, 13 guys, whatever's going to happen, right? Let's, you know.

• 2:06:11Speaker 02

  Don't panic. Don't let them sheep herd you into saying, well, that means we gotta put more troops in.

• 2:06:18Tucker Carlson?

  I agree with that.

• 2:06:19Speaker 02

  Now we gotta get revenge. So then, oh my, now we lost a hundred guys. Now we gotta dig in even more and more and more. So that, you know, whether it's Exxon Mobil or Israel or whoever's profiting off of it.

• 2:06:30Tucker Carlson?

  I could not agree more because you open yourself up to manipulation and false flags. And we've seen many, many false flags. I would say there are a bunch of things about the Reagan record I would not defend. I don't think anyone should defend. But in October of 83, we had this horrible barracks bombing, the Marine barracks, killed over 200 men, Marines, horrible, truly horrible bombing. And Reagan did not invade Lebanon. You know, it happened in Beirut. He did not invade. I mean, that, and people were really on him. Like, you can't, you're gonna let those murders go unavenged? And he said, I don't think it's wise. It wasn't always wise, but in this case, I think he was wise. He didn't invade Beirut. We could have.

• 2:07:10Speaker 02

  You know, I voted the last, I used to be Republican growing up. And the last Republican I voted for was George H. W. Bush. And so why did I vote for him? Because he, I thought he did something very principled. He said, look, Iraq invaded Kuwait, and we can't have that. They're an ally and they're a sovereign country. And if sovereign countries attack one another, there'll be no end to it. Okay. So then they said, okay, and I like that. I like the first Persian Gulf War. I, in fact, at college, I did a pro-war rally. Okay?

• 2:07:44Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 2:07:45Speaker 02

  Actually, at Penn. Yes. I was on, I got on Fox for it. And it debated a anti-war guy in Philadelphia over it. Okay. So.

• 2:07:56Tucker Carlson?

  Is that tape available?

• 2:07:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it's my first TV appearance.

• 2:07:59Tucker Carlson?

  What year was that?

• 2:08:01Speaker 02

  That must have been 91, 92. Yeah, in that.

• 2:08:04Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing.

• 2:08:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, look, I don't think I'd do a pro-war rally today.

• 2:08:09Tucker Carlson?

  Probably not.

• 2:08:09Speaker 02

  Right? And people change. And that's what's.

• 2:08:11Tucker Carlson?

  We've also had an awful lot of war.

• 2:08:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:08:14Tucker Carlson?

  We've had an awful lot of war from 1991 or two to present. I don't know how many wars. In 35 years, we've had a lot of wars.

• 2:08:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:20Tucker Carlson?

  And at that point, we didn't. We left Vietnam in 1975. And, you know, we did Grenada. But we didn't really have a lot of wars between Vietnam and, right? So is it?

• 2:08:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:08:30Tucker Carlson?

  People had a different memory.

• 2:08:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, first of all, you know, one of the things that we emphasize on Young Turks is, open hearts, open minds.

• 2:08:38Tucker Carlson?

  Amen.

• 2:08:39Speaker 02

  And so, and one of the things I tell the audience is, if I didn't believe in open minds, I would have stayed a Republican. So, right? So, so you gotta have, you gotta be thinking. You gotta be looking at new evidence, data. So in that case, it was actually not a bad war. I mean, wars are always terrible, but Persian Gulf War, we go in, it's very limited. We free Kuwait and we get the hell out.

• 2:08:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:08:58Speaker 02

  And the decision I liked the most was, he did not go into Iraq. At the time, Israel and others are going, go into Iraq, go into Iraq.

• 2:09:06Tucker Carlson?

  They were mad that we didn't go.

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. And the guy who held the line was Dick Cheney of all people. He was the Secretary of Defense. And he said, no, it makes no strategic sense for America to go into Iraq. What are we gonna do with it? Right? And that was really prescient and right. And it's amazing what happens to people. And I don't know what happened to Dick Cheney. But he then turns around, you know, just some small amount of time later, working for George W. Bush, and he says, we gotta go into Iraq. We gotta go into Iraq. And then, of course, Halliburton makes a tremendous profit. Israel's super happy. All the defense contractors are super happy. We think that Iraq was a waste. We lost trillions of dollars. We lost thousands of men, Americans that died on foreign soil.

• 2:09:51Tucker Carlson?

  Or were destroyed, you know, for the rest of their lives.

• 2:09:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:09:54Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, you must know some. I sure do.

• 2:09:57Speaker 02

  Absolutely. Yeah. But it wasn't a loss for the donor class. For the donor class, they won. They won spectacularly. Defense contractors, oil companies, the speculators on Wall Street, they all literally made a killing. Right? And at the time, Israel was saying, that's our number one enemy. You have to attack Iraq.

• 2:10:15Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:15Speaker 02

  So it's the whole puzzle. It's not just one thing. It's.

• 2:10:18Tucker Carlson?

  And there's another piece to it, which is, there's no power like the power to end human life. There's a thrill that people derive. In being able to extinguish another person's life because it's a godlike power, you know, and I've certainly seen it a lot, you know, people just like, not because they're evil or because they hate, but they're just like, oh my gosh, I'm so powerful. It's unbelievable. I can literally kill someone and it's allowed. Boy, that is addictive. And the more you do it, the more you like it.

• 2:10:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm worried about it. And so look back to hope. So back then the media was terrible. And 69% of Americans thought that Saddam Hussein had personally attacked us on 9/11.

• 2:11:01Tucker Carlson?

  Man.

• 2:11:02Speaker 02

  Now, if I thought Saddam attacked us on 9/11.

• 2:11:04Tucker Carlson?

  Thanks Steve Hayes. Yeah.

• 2:11:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. If I thought that, I would be for attacking Iraq. I mean, attacking us on 9/11 was terrible. Right? We need to make sure that that never happens again. There needs to be consequences.

• 2:11:16Tucker Carlson?

  Is that true? 69% of Americans thought that?

• 2:11:18Speaker 02

  Yes. At the time of the invasion, seven out of 10. Why? Because mainstream media systematically lied to them. They implicitly lied. They would have Dick Cheney come on and say Iraq is from the same general region as Al Qaeda. Now, wait a minute. If you were a journalist, you would say, but sir, Iraq is opposed to Al Qaeda. They execute Al Qaeda on the spot, right? But they didn't say that. Meet the press, Tim Russert didn't say it when Dick Cheney said that.

• 2:11:49Tucker Carlson?

  No, I interviewed Cheney during that period too. I'm embarrassed to say he probably said it to me. I don't even remember, but that's so bad.

• 2:11:55Speaker 02

  Two main things they kept saying, Tucker, and Young Turks is so old, we were on the air at the time, online. Okay. And in that case, the radio. Okay. And so we were only two shows against Iraq war, Young Turks and Democracy Now. Okay. And so we're, that we're national and we're going, no, they didn't attack us. And everybody in media is like, shut up, shut up.

• 2:12:16Tucker Carlson?

  Unpatriotic, yeah.

• 2:12:17Speaker 02

  Unpatriotic. Support the troops. I'm like, yeah, I support the troops. I don't want them to die. And for no reason, when they didn't attack us. And the second thing was weapons of mass destruction. And where do we get the fake intelligence on weapons of mass destruction? Israel.

• 2:12:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yep, as laundered through the New York Times.

• 2:12:33Speaker 02

  As laundered through the New York Times. So now, wait, where's the hope? Now, look at the media. Now CNN, MSNBC, we just had a conversation 10 minutes ago about how they're becoming irrelevant.

• 2:12:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, who cares?

• 2:12:43Speaker 02

  Right? They went from the gods of the universe, right? Getting to set the narrative. And you want Iraq war? We're gonna give you an Iraq war, right? You want subsidies? We're giving you subsidies. You want to end negotiating prices? We're gonna end negotiation of prices. And we're not gonna say any, no one's allowed to say this anti-capitalist, anti-free market. No one's allowed to say anything outside of these tight rules. How do you know that? Well, I said things outside of those tight rules and they said, you gotta go, right? And they do that, they did it to Dylan Ratigan, they did it to you, they do it to everyone. But now, the podcasts have swarmed them.

• 2:13:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:17Speaker 02

  Now, we're larger than them. So now that we're larger than them, the dynamic has changed. So the left and the right didn't abandon Israel for good cause, excellent cause. They didn't abandon them for no reason. They abandoned them because mainstream media does not dominate anymore. If there were no online media, nobody would have heard about any of the terrible things they did.

• 2:13:40Tucker Carlson?

  None of it, none of it.

• 2:13:41Speaker 02

  So here, I'll give you one fact that's startling. You know, we can talk about the incredible amount of deaths and the children who died. And they killed more journalists than the rest of the world, conflicts in the world combined.

• 2:13:50Tucker Carlson?

  Hundreds of journalists.

• 2:13:52Speaker 02

  Over 250 journalists, okay? Some of them assassinated, including an American journalist.

• 2:13:57Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I know.

• 2:13:58Speaker 02

  This was pre October 20th, October 7th. Basreen Abou Akhla is an American journalist.

• 2:14:04Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, shot with scoped rifles at a distance, wearing a press. I don't even like journalists that much, but that's like, that's such an atrocity? I can't believe it happened.

• 2:14:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, we know, even the New York Times and CNN was like, yeah, that's an assassination. Shot from hundreds of yards away, sniper, make sure to get him in the neck, doesn't hit the vest, doesn't hit the helmet and kills him, okay? So Jamal Khashoggi, when he was killed by the Saudis, that became an enormous story. Good, good, I don't want anybody chopped up that's a Washington Post columnist. That was crazy and they got condemned and they should. Israel assassinates an American journalist, like, who cares?

• 2:14:44Speaker 02

  Wait, did the person get arrested? Who shot her? Who gave the order? Have we asked for extradition of that person? Nothing, zero.

• 2:14:52Tucker Carlson?

  And supposedly, American commentators like celebrate Rachel Corey with some lefty girl, gets run over by a bulldozer. I don't know that I agree with Rachel Corey on much, but she's an American, I think from like Pennsylvania.

• 2:15:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:15:04Tucker Carlson?

  She's a girl and she gets killed and Ben Shapiro is like, well, don't stand in front of bulldozers. It's like, I don't know, that's your fellow American. Like, don't you care that a foreign country murdered an American? No, it's her fault.

• 2:15:17Speaker 02

  One of the guys who was delivering food got killed.

• 2:15:20Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:15:21Speaker 02

  Jacob Flickinger, if I'm not mistaken, again, look up his name. But, uh, no consequences, no one arrested, no one goes to jail. But, but you murdered him. You murdered an American, you murdered nine Americans, shouldn't there be consequences? But these days now, the, the ultimate fact I was going to get to is, so the, uh, how do you tell if a group is a terrorist organization? They target civilians. How do you know they target civilians? Because they have a very high civilian kill ratio. So for example, Hamas, on October 7th, they killed civilians and military. They killed hundreds of military guys, but they killed more civilians. 67% of the people they killed were civilians. So terrorist group, clear, obvious.

• 2:16:03Tucker Carlson?

  That's terrorism.

• 2:16:04Speaker 02

  That's terrorism. Okay. In Gaza, Israel's civilian kill ratio is 83%. It is worse than Hamas. In fact, it is worse than any terrorist organization in the world. 83% and at scale, tens of thousands, potentially hundreds of thousands of people killed. 83% civilians. They say, no, you have to apply that label unevenly and unfairly. You only apply it to our enemies, but if we do worse than them. You are not to ever say it. And that figure, by the way, comes from the Israeli press. The Israeli press is way better than the American press.

• 2:16:44Tucker Carlson?

  I've noticed.

• 2:16:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know why? Because they can't call them antisemites.

• 2:16:47Tucker Carlson?

  Right, that's totally right.

• 2:16:48Speaker 02

  Right? So they can't end the career of anyone who criticizes Israel because they're all Israelis. Right? But here in America, if you report the same thing, you're going to be called an antisemite and they're going to try to get you fired, shut you up and ruin your life.

• 2:17:04Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:04Speaker 02

  So that is why.

• 2:17:05Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not playing along, sorry.

• 2:17:06Speaker 02

  Exactly. But that's my point about hope. No one on TV has ever said what the Israeli press has reported, that Israel has an 83% civilian kill ratio. IDF is basically a terrorist organization. And they have killed 70 times the number of people Hamas has killed. And they've killed more civilians as a percentage. But we're forced to fund that terrorist organization. But no one on TV will ever tell you that. Because if they do, they know that they are risking getting fired. And so I talked to Ryan Grim from Dropsite News about this just a couple of days ago on our show. We do Young Turks from 6 to 8 p.m. Eastern every day on YouTube. Then at 8 p.m. we're doing a show called Revolution.

• 2:17:51Speaker 02

  Okay? Peaceful, nonviolent political revolution. So you must take power away from them. If you don't take power away from the lobbies, then you're forever going to be their servants.

• 2:18:03Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 2:18:03Speaker 02

  Right? Now, you could do that in dumb ways, like violence, but it's not going to work and it's immoral. Or you could do that through the way that our founding fathers designed, through democracy. Right? Take their power away at the voting booth. Primaries are golden. Go do primaries. And, and that's why mainstream media hates us. So, but Ryan's on. And I go, hey, Ryan, you guys have done these brilliant stories connecting Epstein to intelligence, there's no question about it. Has anyone followed up from mainstream media, New York Times, etc.? He's like, no. No, not at all. And he said, look, we're going through a cache of emails that are actually public. They can actually beat us to the scoop. And I tell our competitors, beat us to the scoop and they won't do it.

• 2:18:47Speaker 02

  It won't do it. So then we got into a conversation and why won't they do it? He said, look, there's no, I totally agree with him. There's no grand conspiracy. There's no memos written. But every reporter in DC knows that if you do a story on Israel, even if it's a hundred percent factual, you're risking your career.

• 2:19:03Tucker Carlson?

  You want your kids to get into college, as James Carville said, that's exactly right. Well, you found out. You want your kids to get into high school? No, can't get into high school now. That happened to you.

• 2:19:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:19:12Tucker Carlson?

  I've seen very similar things. And so, yeah, that's intolerable. I, you know, I have a pretty high tolerance for, you know, a corrupt ruling class. I think every ruling class is corrupt to some extent. But I have zero tolerance for humiliation, unnecessary humiliation, and for cruelty to people's families. A zero tolerance, just never accept that. And that's what's happening now. And cruelty to the families is really, and you shouldn't be surprised. Look what, look what they're, they're murdering all these kids in Gaza. You think they, you know, have different attitudes, not American attitudes at all.

• 2:19:47Speaker 02

  So the naivete is something we were also taught by mainstream media, right? Oh, the, what the government says is true. And if, if you disagree with what the government says, you're a conspiracy theorist. Wait, A, that presupposes that the government never lies. Not just the US government. No government ever lies. Israel never lies. Turkey never lies. Nobody ever lies.

• 2:20:11Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 2:20:12Speaker 02

  That has not been my experience.

• 2:20:14Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, nor mine.

• 2:20:15Speaker 02

  Right. Number two, they say, um, if you say the government is lying, you're a wacko.

• 2:20:23Tucker Carlson?

  You're immoral.

• 2:20:23Speaker 02

  Crazy. You're immoral. And you should be banned from media. You should be canceled, right? So that way, there's no voices to oppose the government inside of media and press and journalism.

• 2:20:37Tucker Carlson?

  But as they oppress the population. So like you go, I've been to a million monarchies in my life and some of them are well-run and others are not. But in the well-run ones, you can say, well, there's no freedom. You cannot let it criticize the king. Okay.

• 2:20:47Speaker 02

  But which I'm opposed to, I'm American, I have a totally different frame. However, if the country is well run and the people are prosperous and happy and they're think that their children have better lives than they do, at least you could say, well, we're doing a good job for the people here. But if you run a government that systematically oppresses the people so thoroughly that their life expectancy drops, and then you say, you're not allowed to say a word about my leadership, that can't stand, like that doesn't have a long lifespan. That's too much, like, nobody can can handle that, right? And that's where we are. Oh, I know. And so that's why now when the podcast, and it's not just you and me, right? You got Tim Dillon and Theo Von, and everyone is now speaking up and saying, no, enough.

• 2:21:31Speaker 02

  So no mas. And so I noticed the Americans they killed. I noticed the 20,000 kids they killed. I noticed all the civilians they killed. And I noticed the Congress that they bought, and I noticed that the media is in their pockets. You know, the Congress is obvious. They literally get paid to support Israel, let alone whatever, you know, other interesting, you know, material they might have from Epstein or whoever else, right? And and now I see the media. So now I see, this is an awesome development, Tucker, not just saying, hey, I'm done with Israel, or I'm done with money and politics. And that's my number one issue. Israel is just a symbol. Money and politics is the cancer. That's, that's why we lost our democracy.

• 2:22:16Speaker 02

  That's why we lost control of our government, because they're just working for the people, bribing them. It's super obvious. Israel is a symptom. It's not the cause of all this stuff. Exactly. So, but on top, layered on top of all that, the thing that gives me the greatest hope is that people are beginning to see the illusion. Oh, they're getting us to fight one another. Okay. What are the culture wars? What is identity politics? So as a lot of the left was doing identity politics, we're a lone voice, the young Turks, very much in favor of Bernie, very, as left as it gets on the biggest show on the left for a long, long time, right? But we're saying, don't do identity politics. Okay. Why? Because identity politics splits us apart. Exactly. Okay.

• 2:22:58Speaker 02

  So now you've, you've got to get past that, and people are beginning to get past it. And it creates conflicts that can't be resolved. Like, you and I are mad at each other, our kids are mad at each other, our grandkids are mad at each other. Like, these are not fixable problems. If you have tribal conflict, it can endure for centuries or longer.

• 2:23:15Tucker Carlson?

  That's the one thing I think is super important is that you can't allow people to force you to lie, ever. And you will lie, you know, inevitably, and you will say things that are wrong unintentionally. I've done both. But allowing somebody to force you to say something you know is not true destroys you as a person. And I look at, I mean, I could name many people, but Mike Huckabee I've known for over 30 years, almost 35 years, because I worked in Arkansas at the newspaper, and he's a completely different person, completely. That's a broken man. And I say that with heartfelt compassion. That's a guy who's allowed other people to steal his integrity and force him to lie, and you become a husk.

• 2:23:58Tucker Carlson?

  And no man can live like that. It's like, it's a 1984 Winston Smith thing. Like, once you say two plus two equals five, you're broken inside. Like, don't allow people to force you to lie. And just need to say that.

• 2:24:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, gaslighting is almost an industrial version of torture.

• 2:24:15Tucker Carlson?

  It is. It totally is. It strips your dignity from you.

• 2:24:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. So on the left, you got Federman and Richie Torres that are like that. On the right, you got Huckabee and Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz. And notice, huh, they told us to fight each other, but they seem to agree an awful lot.

• 2:24:31Tucker Carlson?

  Well, these are not happy people either. They paid a huge cost. Like, so they all think they're getting something out of this, and whatever they think they're getting, I can't even imagine. But, or they're afraid of threats or whatever. But in the end, they lose. When you allow other people to treat you like a slave and to repeat their lies, you are destroyed. And you have to live with that for the rest of your life. Don't ever take that deal.

• 2:24:51Speaker 02

  Tucker, let me give you one more analogy that clarifies that.

• 2:24:54Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:24:54Speaker 02

  So, it's like a movie where they tell you, hey, you know what, your wife came in with this baby that she found, and it's a victim, and you guys are gonna adopt it, and she's so golden-hearted, and she brought the kid home, and you go, okay, great, let me see the kid. And a guy walks in and goes, here, first, I gotta give you some glasses. Okay. And he gives you glasses, and you put them on, and you, oh my God, what a cute kid.

• 2:25:20Tucker Carlson?

  I have no idea where this analogy is going, but I love it.

• 2:25:22Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 2:25:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, totally wrapped up it. Okay.

• 2:25:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. So, and your, and your wife is nursing the kid, and feeding it, et cetera. And then one day, you go, I wonder what things look like without the glasses. And the guy who gave you the glasses goes, no, no, no, no, don't take the glasses off. Don't take the glasses off. Now you're like, wait a minute.

• 2:25:41Speaker 02

  I really want to take the glasses.

• 2:25:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:43Speaker 02

  And you take the glasses off and you find out the glasses were the illusion. It's not a baby. It's a grown man.

• 2:25:49Tucker Carlson?

  Oh.

• 2:25:50Speaker 02

  And he's been inside your house the whole time.

• 2:25:52Tucker Carlson?

  Chew on your wife.

• 2:25:53Speaker 02

  Cuddling with your wife. Taking your money. He's got like a, almost a half shirt on, big belly, you know, hairy guy. He's sitting on your couch with your wife.

• 2:26:05Tucker Carlson?

  Suckling.

• 2:26:06Speaker 02

  Suckling. It turns out the glasses were the thing that made you see it wrong. It made it seem like it was an innocent victim, a little baby you were taking care of. Now you find out you got a grown man inside your house.

• 2:26:21Tucker Carlson?

  Pawn on your wife and draining your checking account.

• 2:26:24Speaker 02

  Now, the question is, who are you most mad at? Okay. I'm the least mad at the guy. First though, the first action I'm going to take, even though I'm least mad at him is you gotta leave. You gotta leave the house right now, otherwise something terrible is gonna happen.

• 2:26:38Tucker Carlson?

  The man child.

• 2:26:39Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:26:39Tucker Carlson?

  Who's sucking on your wife? Okay, yeah, I totally agree with that.

• 2:26:41Speaker 02

  Okay. First step is get the fuck out of my house.

• 2:26:47Speaker 02

  Second guy I'm mad at is the guy who gave me the glasses. What the fuck? You made it seem like it was an innocent victim and I was being a good guy by helping this entity. Okay. And now I find out, no, it was just someone taking advantage of me.

• 2:27:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:27:04Speaker 02

  And taking the person who was supposed to be closest to me, that was supposed to have trust with me.

• 2:27:09Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:27:10Speaker 02

  And taking all my money? And you played me for a fool? I fucking hate the guy with the glasses, right? But the person I'm most upset.

• 2:27:20Tucker Carlson?

  Is the betrayer.

• 2:27:21Speaker 02

  Is the betrayer. The wife in that case, it's an uncomfortable analogy, you could switch it to husband and wife. That's not the point. The point is, yes, if you don't get it by now, whether it's Israel or any really lobby, any donor class, that's the baby. The guy with the glasses is the media saying, oh no, these poor little oil companies, they need your money. Look at it, it's a victim, otherwise they can't drill for oil. These drug companies, they've only made trillions, you can't let them negotiate prices, right? Or it's Israel. Oh, it's an innocent victim of all the nasty Muslims and terrorists around them. And then you look at the map, wait a minute, Israel has gained all this territory and they've done it by taking 300 billion from us.

• 2:28:06Speaker 02

  But most importantly, the wife is the politicians.

• 2:28:10Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 2:28:11Speaker 02

  And they're supposed to represent us. And they have betrayed us. Okay. And I can't stand it. I can't stand it.

• 2:28:19Tucker Carlson?

  It's time for a divorce.

• 2:28:20Speaker 02

  It's time for a divorce. So everyone's got to get out of the house. First, the hairy guy, you gotta go. Okay. Otherwise, we're gonna have trouble. Then the guy with the glasses, and then finally the wife. Everybody's gotta go. We're gonna get a fresh new start. OperationConsequences.com. Okay.

• 2:28:37Tucker Carlson?

  I can't, I literally could do this interview for 10 hours and never improve on that analogy. So I want to end with that. That was amazing. Oh, that was a, I'll wake up thinking about that in a cold sweat. Thank you. That was amazing.

• 2:28:52Speaker 02

  Thank you, Tucker. I appreciate it.