The Debrief with Shawn and Katie: #003 Headshot Don

Shawn and his wife Katie Jean take you behind the scenes of episode #003 in their new debrief series. They talk about what happens off the camera as well as who might be coming next. Vigilance Elite/Shawn Ryan Links: Website - https://www.shawnryanshow.com Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/VigilanceElite TikTok - https://www.tiktok.com/@shawnryanshow Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/shawnryan762 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:39Shawn Ryan?

  So that was a hell of an episode.

• 1:42Katie Jean?

  Yeah, sure was. Absolutely was. 003.

• 1:46Shawn Ryan?

  Right?

• 1:46Katie Jean?

  Done.

• 1:47Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit.

• 1:49Katie Jean?

  Yeah. Why don't you tell everybody what the hell we're doing here, though?

• 1:53Shawn Ryan?

  Good point, good point, good call.

• 1:55Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 1:55Shawn Ryan?

  Alright, so if you guys are listening, this is my beautiful wife, Katie Jean.

• 2:02Katie Jean?

  Hello.

• 2:03Shawn Ryan?

  And so Katie is the one, she's behind the cameras and helps with everything in the business.

• 2:11Katie Jean?

  Yep.

• 2:12Shawn Ryan?

  But she's behind the cameras, she's the one that runs them, runs the sound, and I do all the editing. And kinda how this works is with our guests, we have them show up a couple of days before the podcast. So far, that's what we've done, that way we really get to know them, we go out to dinner, sometimes we film some other content, but really what it does is it just gets everybody comfortable, gets them comfortable with Katie because she's behind the cameras.

• 2:41Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 2:42Shawn Ryan?

  It gets them comfortable with me.

• 2:44Katie Jean?

  Little whining and dining.

• 2:45Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, little, you know, little foreplay before the magic happens, but...

• 2:51Katie Jean?

  Get everybody cozy.

• 2:52Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, so anyways, what we're gonna do is we're gonna do this Sean and Katie debrief after every podcast, and from, actually from this point forward, or from the next one forward, we're gonna do this right after

• 3:11Katie Jean?

  Yep.

• 3:11Shawn Ryan?

  the show, as soon as we stop recording the podcast and they go on their way, then we're gonna, that way it's, everything's fresh in our minds and we're gonna debrief and whitewash the entire experience, what was going on behind the camera, what went on before the podcast,

• 3:29Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 3:30Shawn Ryan?

  All the dirty little secrets.

• 3:34Katie Jean?

  There's usually a lot.

• 3:35Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you know, maybe not all of them.

• 3:37Katie Jean?

  Alright.

• 3:37Shawn Ryan?

  But, anyway, so if you like that, go ahead and...

• 3:43Katie Jean?

  If everybody likes this.

• 3:44Shawn Ryan?

  If you like it.

• 3:45Katie Jean?

  They may not like this whole thing.

• 3:47Shawn Ryan?

  If you like it, well fuck it, give us a like.

• 3:49Katie Jean?

  We'll keep doing it.

• 3:50Shawn Ryan?

  You know, click that like button on YouTube and, you know, leave a little comment saying

• 3:56Katie Jean?

  Nice comments.

• 3:57Shawn Ryan?

  how beautiful my wife is.

• 3:58Katie Jean?

  Oh, boy.

• 3:59Shawn Ryan?

  But, okay, fine, you can say how good-looking I look too.

• 4:03Katie Jean?

  Alright, I like that.

• 4:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, right.

• 4:07Shawn Ryan?

  But, yeah, leave us a comment, tell us if you like this or not, and

• 4:10Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 4:11Shawn Ryan?

  we'll continue to do it, and if you don't...

• 4:14Katie Jean?

  We'll still continue to do it.

• 4:15Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know, maybe we'll continue to do it.

• 4:21Shawn Ryan?

  But, uh, so we just wrapped up Don.

• 4:26Katie Jean?

  Yeah, it's premiering tonight.

• 4:28Shawn Ryan?

  Holy shit. I mean...

• 4:30Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 4:31Shawn Ryan?

  What him and Pam and his kids have been through. His kids are grown now, but I mean... Holy shit.

• 4:42Katie Jean?

  Yeah. It's a lot. I mean, thinking back, we saw Don,

• 4:50Katie Jean?

  well, we saw him at our wedding, but then before that, we saw him when the incident happened. But then, we saw him like two weeks before the accident? It was in December.

• 5:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, no, I remember. He came, it was like right before, he brought us Christmas presents.

• 5:08Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 5:09Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, I think he was the first one to actually step foot in the studio.

• 5:15Katie Jean?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 5:16Shawn Ryan?

  We tried to film a fucking podcast then.

• 5:19Katie Jean?

  He helped you hang the sign.

• 5:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yep. We tried to film the podcast then, and it was, I was just like, dude, this isn't working.

• 5:27Katie Jean?

  No.

• 5:28Shawn Ryan?

  But, which is funny, because when we did that, he was looking at my platoon plaques on the wall and saw that I was in Afghanistan in Kandahar.

• 5:39Katie Jean?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 5:39Shawn Ryan?

  When he got blown up.

• 5:42Katie Jean?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:42Shawn Ryan?

  And I was, and then he showed, and he'd written a book about it, which we didn't even talk about in the podcast, but he wrote a book which CIA actually...

• 5:51Katie Jean?

  Put the kibosh on?

• 5:53Shawn Ryan?

  Uh, made him... Well, you know, you can't find the book anymore, it's gone, but, but, um...

• 5:59Katie Jean?

  Shady.

• 6:00Shawn Ryan?

  But I remember seeing, I was like, holy fuck dude, like that happened right when I showed up. And, um, I remember like touching, like digging around in the car, and I was like, holy shit, like somebody walked out of this? And just so you know, like just the windows alone on those vehicles, the fucking glass is like...

• 6:22Shawn Ryan?

  An inch and a half thick or some, I mean it's

• 6:24Katie Jean?

  Wow.

• 6:25Shawn Ryan?

  Like every time you open and close a car door, it's like fucking doing a bench press.

• 6:30Katie Jean?

  Wow.

• 6:31Shawn Ryan?

  With one arm.

• 6:34Shawn Ryan?

  Which is why I'm so fucking buff.

• 6:37Katie Jean?

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:37Shawn Ryan?

  Just kidding. But uh

• 6:41Shawn Ryan?

  but no, I mean, and then for us to put that together and we're at the same place at the same time and I didn't, I had no idea agency was even there, didn't know who Dom was. Didn't meet him that trip, you know, and that was like a very small, I mean it's smaller than this fucking town leapers fork.

• 6:59Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 6:59Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? Like way smaller.

• 7:01Katie Jean?

  And I've heard you, like just from overhearing you with like other guys that have come through, even not on the podcast, but just like, you know, coming by our house. That it seems that that's like an ongoing thing, like you guys have crossed paths.

• 7:19Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 7:20Katie Jean?

  You know, and or you're just like, you know, an hour short of each other. It's like weird.

• 7:25Shawn Ryan?

  Well shit, look at Glover.

• 7:26Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 7:27Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? Glover

• 7:31Shawn Ryan?

  knew, fucking met Gabe.

• 7:32Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 7:33Shawn Ryan?

  Right after Red Wing.

• 7:35Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 7:36Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? And it's like, and um for those who don't know, Gabe is, uh, was my best friend and he died recently, but

• 7:46Shawn Ryan?

  Glover was there.

• 7:47Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 7:47Shawn Ryan?

  On, like when Gabe got back from the fucking recovery mission, but um yeah, it's crazy.

• 7:55Katie Jean?

  It is.

• 7:56Shawn Ryan?

  It's, this has happened so many times, but, but anyways, back to Don, I mean,

• 8:02Shawn Ryan?

  holy shit, you know, like what he has been through in the fucking

• 8:07Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 8:08Shawn Ryan?

  So many dis- different aspects, I mean, like

• 8:14Shawn Ryan?

  The health, the fucking

• 8:16Katie Jean?

  Yep.

• 8:17Shawn Ryan?

  Having your name smeared like that.

• 8:19Katie Jean?

  Yeah. The stress that they've all been through.

• 8:22Shawn Ryan?

  Stress from being prosecuted, like he's gonna be prosecuted and they're gonna wanna put him away for like 20 fucking years or some shit.

• 8:30Katie Jean?

  Man, it's, it's crazy, it really is, to hear their story, to hear Pam's side of the story and and being there, being there when, together when everything was going down. I mean, it's amazing, first of all, it's amazing that, and a blessing, that Don is still alive.

• 8:50Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:50Katie Jean?

  I have never met anyone that has been shot in the head and is here to live about it and tell their story.

• 8:57Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 8:57Katie Jean?

  And that right there is just a huge blessing. So, you know, thank God he's alive, but to see what they've been through and to see how he does struggle, I mean, going from when he was last here, you know, like before the accident and we all went out to like get candy one night, you know, and then to have him here and he can't taste anything now and

• 9:23Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I forgot about that shit.

• 9:24Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 9:25Shawn Ryan?

  We went out to dinner almost every night and we go to the restaurant and it's like the only thing he gives a shit about is if something's spicy and then I think you asked him like, what's the deal with the spice? And, and he was like, man, like I can't fucking taste anything anymore, ever since I've been shot in the head.

• 9:44Katie Jean?

  Yep.

• 9:45Shawn Ryan?

  Taste is like gone.

• 9:46Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 9:47Shawn Ryan?

  Shit I used to like actually tastes like shit now, or he can't taste anything at all. And so the only thing he can get is like that sensation of like his fucking tongue burning.

• 10:00Katie Jean?

  Yeah, or the sweets, and we narrowed it down, his candy of choice is strawberry Twizzlers, so we got like a boatload of those one night.

• 10:10Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I ate all those.

• 10:11Katie Jean?

  Well, yeah, but when you decided to share with him, he did, he was able to taste it.

• 10:16Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 10:18Katie Jean?

  But, yeah, I mean to see him and how many takes it took to do the podcast.

• 10:24Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I mean shit, even when we went out to dinner, every time we left the house, he got dizzy. And we'd have to sit down and take a break.

• 10:30Katie Jean?

  Yep.

• 10:31Shawn Ryan?

  Which is really fucking weird for me to see, you know, I mean, the Don I know. I'm in deep shit out in the middle of fucking Kabul, Afghanistan. And he's racing out to the scene like ready to die for me. And now, and that wasn't even that fucking long ago, you know, it was not even that long ago. And to see him now where it's like, man, I gotta sit down, dude, like. I got fucking vertigo real bad. And or like my, like all of a sudden I got that this migraine and it just like sucks to fucking see that. You know, and. But he's still in there, you know, he's, I mean, he's the same Don.

• 11:13Shawn Ryan?

  He's sharp as fucking, sharp as a knife, I mean, he hasn't.

• 11:20Shawn Ryan?

  It's none of these things are permanent, at least, you know what I mean? Like, he's, he's still the same Don, he just isn't the same Don for.

• 11:31Shawn Ryan?

  You know, 24 hours straight. He's gotta take breaks now and, um, and that sucks and I know how, I mean, I don't know, but I can see the fucking frustration in his face. When it's happening, like it's demoralized him.

• 11:44Katie Jean?

  Yeah, and that's what was happening when we were trying to film it, you know, the first couple of times and.

• 11:50Shawn Ryan?

  Three times.

• 11:51Katie Jean?

  Yeah, he was getting really upset with himself.

• 11:53Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 11:54Katie Jean?

  So, but we were able to finally get it and, and it was great. It was a great podcast.

• 12:01Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, he's, I mean, he's been wanting to get that story out for. A real long time.

• 12:06Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 12:07Shawn Ryan?

  And.

• 12:08Katie Jean?

  His relief after the fact.

• 12:10Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, I mean, he's been wanting to do this for a long, long time. And he didn't know if it was the right thing and. And, you know, it wasn't, he didn't want to go out and, and I was like, hey, man, whatever, like you want to do. We were gonna make a documentary.

• 12:26Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 12:27Shawn Ryan?

  And.

• 12:27Katie Jean?

  Which you still might at some point, maybe.

• 12:30Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you know, we'll see, like, that would be, um, pretty cool.

• 12:35Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 12:36Shawn Ryan?

  But. Yeah, three takes, took three takes, I mean.

• 12:44Shawn Ryan?

  You remember when we were talking about when he was in the Air Force?

• 12:47Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 12:48Shawn Ryan?

  In one of the ones previous we were doing. We were trying to get through his military career and he just couldn't focus. And one minute he's talking about how he was a SER instructor.

• 13:00Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 13:01Shawn Ryan?

  In the Air Force and stripping people down naked. And putting them in a fucking cage in the freezing cold into the fucking river up in Vermont or wherever the hell it's at, Washington actually I think it is. And the next thing you know, he's talking about his dad being a mechanic.

• 13:22Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 13:23Shawn Ryan?

  And I felt.

• 13:24Katie Jean?

  It went like way off.

• 13:25Shawn Ryan?

  Way out there. And I felt like such a fucking dickhead, but it was like, dude, Don, I hate to say this, but like, nobody, and I'm sure your dad was awesome.

• 13:39Katie Jean?

  Right, a good mechanic.

• 13:41Shawn Ryan?

  And a great mechanic, but nobody gives a shit. Like, you're here to tell your story.

• 13:47Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 13:47Shawn Ryan?

  Let's stick to it. If this thing gets to be five hours long, nobody's gonna listen. But to see the frustration on him.

• 13:53Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 13:55Shawn Ryan?

  It just, it like sucked. And then, and then the headaches would kick in and the dizziness would kick in. And we'd have to call it. And then round three though.

• 14:05Katie Jean?

  Yeah, that was a hit.

• 14:06Shawn Ryan?

  Me and you made a game time decision like, hey, fuck it. Like, no childhood, no military career.

• 14:12Katie Jean?

  Cut right to it.

• 14:13Shawn Ryan?

  The majority of his career was CIA anyways. And the real reason he's here is he wants to get.

• 14:21Katie Jean?

  His story heard.

• 14:22Shawn Ryan?

  That out. And I think it's gonna be very well received.

• 14:26Katie Jean?

  Yeah, me too. And I wish, I kinda wish the cameras were still rolling at the end. Because to see you guys like hug it out at the end and feel like the emotion in the room. That was, that was really cool.

• 14:43Shawn Ryan?

  Oh man.

• 14:44Katie Jean?

  And he was so relieved and just happy to have his story finally heard, you know?

• 14:52Shawn Ryan?

  Just the fact that he slept that long.

• 14:55Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 14:56Shawn Ryan?

  That night.

• 14:57Katie Jean?

  Sleepyhead Don.

• 14:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, just, I mean, you know, I have fucking problems sleeping.

• 15:05Katie Jean?

  Yep, you do.

• 15:08Shawn Ryan?

  And so does pretty much all of my friends. And um, but to see him, and we wake up at the ass crack of dawn. And there's fucking Don every morning, like wide awake.

• 15:22Katie Jean?

  He started the coffee.

• 15:24Shawn Ryan?

  Just because he can't, no, yeah, yeah, every morning.

• 15:26Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 15:26Shawn Ryan?

  Because he can't fucking sleep and then at the day after the podcast, we have breakfast.

• 15:35Katie Jean?

  We're like, uh.

• 15:36Shawn Ryan?

  Have some coffee. It's like nine thirty in the morning and it's like, is this motherfucker gonna get up? Or like, what the fuck? Like, it's a weekday.

• 15:46Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 15:47Shawn Ryan?

  I got shit to do and uh, but he, that's not a coincidence.

• 15:54Katie Jean?

  No, no.

• 15:56Shawn Ryan?

  And then to see him, I mean, he literally broke down.

• 15:59Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 16:00Shawn Ryan?

  As soon as like, the record button hit, got hit for the second time. And everything was offline. I mean, incredible.

• 16:12Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 16:13Shawn Ryan?

  And um, and actually, when I was doing the edit on the very last portion, you can hear him breathing and he goes.

• 16:25Katie Jean?

  Really?

• 16:26Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, and I tried to like, keep that in there. Tried to keep the camera rolling long enough to, or keep the edit long enough to where you could get that in there. And I, I think I did, but I mean, you can see it. You can, you can see his mouth open and like, take that gasp and like that. It's like that fucking relief all went out in one breath. Because then you hit record on the cameras, the sound, everything's off. And he couldn't hold it in any longer. You know, he broke down, gave us that big hug and was just like, man, I just can't.

• 17:00Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 17:01Shawn Ryan?

  Thank you guys enough and um.

• 17:03Katie Jean?

  That was really cool.

• 17:04Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, I mean, that alone made the whole. Experience like that much better. I mean, just to

• 17:11Katie Jean?

  Oh, absolutely.

• 17:12Shawn Ryan?

  Know that he was able to feel that, because that's a, I mean.

• 17:16Katie Jean?

  And to see him sleep so long the next day.

• 17:18Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, but it was all relief.

• 17:20Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 17:21Shawn Ryan?

  And, uh, and I hope he gets what, you know, he wants out of the podcast. They have that GoFundMe going, but, um.

• 17:29Katie Jean?

  Well, and just from this morning alone, when you released the audio part of the podcast, we've been getting emails, um, you know, sent to operations that people are hearing your story and on iTunes, and they're already reaching out to us saying like, how can we help Don? How can, you know, what can we do? So that right there is, is huge. And with tonight's premiere, I mean, I'm sure more people, hopefully, are gonna be reaching out and seeing what they can do.

• 18:00Shawn Ryan?

  They're gonna reach out.

• 18:01Katie Jean?

  Yeah, and, um, I just hope more stories are gonna come out about that police department, you know, and, um, it's scary. It's scary to hear that, you know.

• 18:12Shawn Ryan?

  I hope more stories don't come out because of what's going on. But, um, a lot of stuff has already surfaced.

• 18:20Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 18:20Shawn Ryan?

  And, um, and, um, you know, I just hope that this reaches, or not this, but the

• 18:31Shawn Ryan?

  episode 003 with headshot Don, like, I hope that goes to, I hope that gets in front of the eyes that it needs to get in front of.

• 18:40Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 18:41Shawn Ryan?

  Somebody with some real fucking authority.

• 18:44Katie Jean?

  Some pull.

• 18:45Shawn Ryan?

  Who actually gives a shit, um, sees that and is like, I need to fucking, I can make a difference.

• 18:52Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 18:53Shawn Ryan?

  I can get ahold of him and fucking make a difference.

• 18:57Shawn Ryan?

  And

• 18:57Katie Jean?

  That'd be huge.

• 18:58Shawn Ryan?

  Nobody should have to go through that shit.

• 19:00Katie Jean?

  No, I know. And it makes you realize like how many people are going through it and, you know.

• 19:05Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, yeah, how many people are in the system right now?

• 19:09Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 19:10Shawn Ryan?

  Because of incompetence.

• 19:13Katie Jean?

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:13Shawn Ryan?

  I mean.

• 19:15Katie Jean?

  It's a real shame.

• 19:15Shawn Ryan?

  It's fucking sad.

• 19:17Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 19:18Shawn Ryan?

  As fuck to think about. And, uh, especially, you know, to

• 19:24Shawn Ryan?

  Somebody like him.

• 19:25Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 19:26Shawn Ryan?

  In this restraint that he has, like, the fact that nobody got shot after they fucking blew his car up is amazing.

• 19:34Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 19:34Shawn Ryan?

  And the fact that nobody got shot when he came to my aid.

• 19:37Katie Jean?

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:40Shawn Ryan?

  I can't say

• 19:43Shawn Ryan?

  things would have been the same if that would have been me.

• 19:45Katie Jean?

  Right, that was the red sneaker story, correct?

• 19:47Shawn Ryan?

  That was the red sneaker story, which we made into a fucking joke, but

• 19:51Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 19:51Shawn Ryan?

  it wasn't a fucking joke.

• 19:53Katie Jean?

  Right, yeah, I could imagine.

• 19:55Shawn Ryan?

  And that's just kinda how we deal with shit, we just blow it off, but anyways, I hope somebody

• 20:02Katie Jean?

  I do too.

• 20:03Shawn Ryan?

  or something comes of that.

• 20:05Katie Jean?

  Yeah, I do too.

• 20:07Shawn Ryan?

  But...

• 20:10Katie Jean?

  So who's next?

• 20:14Shawn Ryan?

  I don't know, you know? We got a big list going, so you guys already know who's on the, uh, on the list.

• 20:21Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 20:22Shawn Ryan?

  But I don't know who, we don't have anybody scheduled, we wanted to see how these three went first and

• 20:28Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 20:28Shawn Ryan?

  and, um, I guess it's time to start reaching out to some people, but

• 20:32Katie Jean?

  Can I just say though? I really want Mike Rittlin.

• 20:37Shawn Ryan?

  You want Mike Rittlin?

• 20:38Katie Jean?

  I want Mike because I've never met him, I think it'd be cool to meet him, but really, selfishly, I just wanna see if he can teach Griffin how to sit. The damn dog doesn't know how to do anything, except eat his own shit, but if we could teach Griffin, or if Mike could teach Griffin how to sit, it would be mind-blowing.

• 21:04Shawn Ryan?

  Of all the things

• 21:05Katie Jean?

  Yes.

• 21:06Shawn Ryan?

  you could teach Griffin, our 77-year-old dog.

• 21:12Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 21:12Shawn Ryan?

  Dog ears.

• 21:15Shawn Ryan?

  You want to teach him how to sit?

• 21:16Katie Jean?

  I don't even, I don't even care. It's been so long, he can't sit. But if, to see Mike teach him how to sit, if he could actually do it, it would be amazing, really. He'd be like full-blown dog whisperer.

• 21:33Shawn Ryan?

  I'd rather see him teach Griffin how to not eat his own shit so much. But that's just, I mean, he's great at cleaning up the backyard, though. There's no doubt about that.

• 21:46Katie Jean?

  He is. He's totally organic.

• 21:47Shawn Ryan?

  All...

• 21:49Katie Jean?

  He's a green dog.

• 21:51Shawn Ryan?

  All of the land is completely clean.

• 21:54Katie Jean?

  He just recycles and recycles and recycles. God bless him.

• 21:59Shawn Ryan?

  How many times do you think he's eaten his own shit?

• 22:01Katie Jean?

  I don't know. You've asked me that numerous times, and I don't have an answer for you.

• 22:05Shawn Ryan?

  Well, I would be curious.

• 22:07Katie Jean?

  One day, you just might find out, but...

• 22:10Shawn Ryan?

  I want to have Mike on, too. Mike, if you're listening to this, please teach our dog Griffin to quit eating his own rookiedoo.

• 22:22Katie Jean?

  Oh, man. Not my proudest moment of being Griffin's mom, but, yeah.

• 22:27Shawn Ryan?

  We got a lot of good requests, too, though.

• 22:29Katie Jean?

  We do.

• 22:30Shawn Ryan?

  You know, but I'm, and I think you are the same way, but I'm not really looking for the guy with the biggest fucking Instagram following. Actually, to be honest, I could give two shits about that.

• 22:43Katie Jean?

  I know. You tend to go the opposite.

• 22:45Shawn Ryan?

  Well, you know, that's what everybody does. They get the fucking, it's like, oh, so-and-so's got fucking 250,000 Instagram followers. Who gives a shit? What's his story? And has his story been told 50,000 fucking times on the podcast circuit? Probably. You know what I mean? And a lot of times, it's the same exact story. And it's like, you know, if you're not going to come here and open up, then I don't fucking have a place for you.

• 23:10Katie Jean?

  Yeah, I know. I know you feel that way.

• 23:13Shawn Ryan?

  And the other thing is, and I'm one of them, you know, I've been on the podcast circuit, and, um, let's get some fucking new blood in here, you know? Like, look at Kennedy.

• 23:23Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 23:24Shawn Ryan?

  That dude came out of nowhere. We didn't even know him.

• 23:27Katie Jean?

  No.

• 23:27Shawn Ryan?

  It was a reference. He had called, because Jeff Reid had referred us, and he had just called to get like some, like, no shit, just some tips on, hey, I'm starting a business. And I was like, well...

• 23:45Shawn Ryan?

  I don't usually talk to people about this, but here's what I would do. And sure shit, six months later, he's sitting in that fucking chair like we're best friends.

• 23:53Katie Jean?

  I know.

• 23:55Shawn Ryan?

  And it's cool to see like where he's headed now.

• 23:58Katie Jean?

  And we've sent him a boatload of training, like tips and inquiries and all that. I mean, and they're actually panning out, you know, the people that have emailed us and I'm like, nope, go right to Travis and they're actually doing it. They're linking up, which is great.

• 24:17Shawn Ryan?

  That's awesome.

• 24:18Katie Jean?

  It's so awesome.

• 24:20Shawn Ryan?

  And he's current, you know, he's more current than I am. He's fresh out and, I mean, I haven't been out that long, but you know, but whatever, you know, it's awesome. Yeah. To see his business turning, he's at a turning point right now.

• 24:37Katie Jean?

  He is.

• 24:38Shawn Ryan?

  And it's really, really fucking cool to see. But I like guys like that, that they're new to the game, they're fresh out, they're kinda looking for maybe a little bit of exposure, but um...

• 24:52Katie Jean?

  Well, your friend that you had just mentioned too. I know you want to get him out.

• 24:55Shawn Ryan?

  Callie May Earl.

• 24:56Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 24:56Shawn Ryan?

  We, so Callie was at SEAL Team 3, we went through BUDs together. And let me just, like, nobody knows Callie outside of, you know, the SEAL community and, you know, and his family and friends, but I mean, he doesn't have like a big social media presence, but I'll tell you what, the guy's one of the baddest motherfuckers walking this planet, I can tell you that right now.

• 25:17Katie Jean?

  I remember you told me some stories.

• 25:19Shawn Ryan?

  Dude, his time in the fucking SEAL teams is like,

• 25:25Shawn Ryan?

  his story is amazing and heartbreaking.

• 25:30Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 25:31Shawn Ryan?

  And,

• 25:33Shawn Ryan?

  and then fast forward when he gets out and his transition into civilian life, I mean, that shit is darker than mine.

• 25:42Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 25:42Shawn Ryan?

  And mine got pretty fucking dark.

• 25:44Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 25:46Shawn Ryan?

  And his is darker. I mean, I don't wanna say anything because I don't know what he wants

• 25:53Katie Jean?

  Wants to share, right.

• 25:55Shawn Ryan?

  Or if he's even gonna come on, but you know, I, that's what I'm talking about because that's what gives other people inspiration.

• 26:02Katie Jean?

  Yeah, and hope.

• 26:04Shawn Ryan?

  And whatever he's got going on, when he comes here, you know, well, if he comes here, then it will be to his benefit.

• 26:13Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 26:13Shawn Ryan?

  You know what I mean? I'm not-

• 26:14Katie Jean?

  Oh, for sure.

• 26:15Shawn Ryan?

  We're not looking to ride anybody's fucking coattail on the following train, by any means.

• 26:21Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 26:23Shawn Ryan?

  And we want fresh material from real fucking people.

• 26:26Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 26:28Shawn Ryan?

  You know, I'd like to get a Nashville firefighter on.

• 26:31Katie Jean?

  Yeah, that would be cool. We get a lot of emails from firefighters, policemen, but, um, but yeah, that would be really, that'd be great.

• 26:41Shawn Ryan?

  I would love to get a firefighter on who's done something, I mean, I know all of them do.

• 26:46Katie Jean?

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:47Shawn Ryan?

  Um, go way above and beyond, but I would love to get, like, who's the baddest motherfucking firefighter in the Nashville area? Or actually, anywhere.

• 26:58Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 26:59Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and I'm just saying Nashville, because we're pretty much in Nashville.

• 27:03Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 27:04Shawn Ryan?

  But, um, so it'd be kinda cool to get like a local hero, um, but that would really, that would be very interesting.

• 27:11Katie Jean?

  But like not tied to September 11th, or are you looking for like for something more-

• 27:14Shawn Ryan?

  No, I mean, they can be tied to September 11th, but, um, you know, there's so much attention on September 11th, and I am not taking away from that at all.

• 27:23Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 27:23Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, obviously, it changed all of our lives, but there are, you know, it's been, it's been almost 20 years since September 11th. Like, and there's new blood out there who have, guys who have done magnificent fucking things and saved shit tons of lives. And I'd love to get somebody like that on here.

• 27:41Katie Jean?

  That would be great. Well, this is a good way to start the buzz.

• 27:46Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, so if you're a firefighter in Nashville and you know who the baddest motherfucking firefighter is in Nashville, or anywhere else, shoot us an email, tell us, you know, a brief summary about who it is and-

• 28:01Katie Jean?

  Or an article link, or anything.

• 28:02Shawn Ryan?

  We'll try to get him on.

• 28:03Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 28:04Shawn Ryan?

  You know, and you know who else I want?

• 28:07Katie Jean?

  Who's that?

• 28:09Shawn Ryan?

  I wanna get-

• 28:13Katie Jean?

  Ah.

• 28:13Shawn Ryan?

  I want to get Ray Davis.

• 28:15Katie Jean?

  The new book.

• 28:17Shawn Ryan?

  Well, this isn't really a new book.

• 28:18Katie Jean?

  Well.

• 28:19Shawn Ryan?

  Ray Davis.

• 28:20Katie Jean?

  We just got it.

• 28:21Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, so I haven't read it yet because I don't, I'm a slow reader and I already

• 28:28Shawn Ryan?

  read the real reports, but um.

• 28:30Katie Jean?

  Ray Davis?

• 28:31Shawn Ryan?

  Ray Davis, yeah, CIA contractor. Killed a couple of guys in Pakistan, got rolled up, went to jail.

• 28:40Katie Jean?

  That's what the book's about?

• 28:40Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:41Katie Jean?

  Alright.

• 28:41Shawn Ryan?

  And that's when I was, that was huge news, all over the fucking, it was world news.

• 28:48Katie Jean?

  Wow.

• 28:48Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, Pakistan had fucking put in prison a C, an American CIA guy and.

• 28:56Katie Jean?

  Oh, I remember you and Don were just talking about this guy.

• 28:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 28:59Katie Jean?

  Okay.

• 29:00Shawn Ryan?

  I mean, Ray put me through training. I have no idea how the hell to get a hold of him. We don't keep in contact, I haven't talked to him in probably fucking 10 years, but I want to get that dude on the podcast.

• 29:12Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 29:12Shawn Ryan?

  Maybe, you know, maybe we can get him by episode 007.

• 29:17Katie Jean?

  Ooh.

• 29:18Shawn Ryan?

  But.

• 29:19Katie Jean?

  That'd be good.

• 29:19Shawn Ryan?

  But um, I mean, he made it out of prison, so. But he's got a hell of a story.

• 29:26Katie Jean?

  I bet.

• 29:27Shawn Ryan?

  I don't think he even has a fucking Instagram.

• 29:30Katie Jean?

  Nice.

• 29:30Shawn Ryan?

  You know, so.

• 29:32Katie Jean?

  I didn't even know that could be possible.

• 29:33Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, believe, yeah, believe it or not, there are actually interesting people in the world that don't have a fucking IG account.

• 29:39Katie Jean?

  Would you believe that?

• 29:40Shawn Ryan?

  Right, you know, guess what, there's more to life than the fucking social media world, but.

• 29:44Katie Jean?

  Shocking.

• 29:46Shawn Ryan?

  Well, not that shocking.

• 29:50Shawn Ryan?

  Do you think we should start taking call-ins on this?

• 29:52Katie Jean?

  On this show?

• 29:53Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 29:54Katie Jean?

  Absolutely, yeah. I mean, depending if people tonight like the show.

• 29:59Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:00Katie Jean?

  They might say, scratch this whole idea.

• 30:02Shawn Ryan?

  They're gonna be like, hey, fucking scrap that shit.

• 30:04Katie Jean?

  Yeah, this is boring as hell.

• 30:05Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah.

• 30:06Katie Jean?

  Nobody cares. But, if they do care, yeah, hell yeah, we'd take some phone calls. I'm all for it.

• 30:13Shawn Ryan?

  Who are we gonna have, like a random ass neighbor?

• 30:15Katie Jean?

  We could have the random ass neighbor, I'd like to call my mom, have my mom call in, you know?

• 30:22Shawn Ryan?

  My mother-in-law?

• 30:23Katie Jean?

  Yeah, your mother-in-law.

• 30:25Shawn Ryan?

  You want...

• 30:26Katie Jean?

  Lizzy!

• 30:27Shawn Ryan?

  You want Liz, my mother-in-law, to call in?

• 30:30Katie Jean?

  Yeah, get her on the line!

• 30:32Shawn Ryan?

  That could be like a five-hour-long podcast.

• 30:35Katie Jean?

  It could be, but it would be very entertaining.

• 30:38Shawn Ryan?

  My mother-in-law loves, absolutely loves, to talk.

• 30:46Katie Jean?

  Yes, she does.

• 30:48Shawn Ryan?

  And she's good at it.

• 30:50Katie Jean?

  Damn good at it.

• 30:50Shawn Ryan?

  She intimidates the living shit out of me. I don't know if we can have her call in.

• 30:54Katie Jean?

  I'm sure people would really like to see that, though.

• 30:56Shawn Ryan?

  I'd rather have, well, like, maybe my mom.

• 31:01Katie Jean?

  I would love to have your mom call in.

• 31:03Shawn Ryan?

  My mom, well, that would be like a two-second conversation.

• 31:07Katie Jean?

  No, it wouldn't.

• 31:08Shawn Ryan?

  Because my mom doesn't talk. She's like me.

• 31:10Katie Jean?

  Your mom's got some stories.

• 31:11Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, but you gotta dig to get at them.

• 31:15Katie Jean?

  We'll get it out.

• 31:16Shawn Ryan?

  Well, whatever.

• 31:17Katie Jean?

  But yes, I would like to take calls on this show. If everybody...

• 31:21Shawn Ryan?

  I love both my mother-in-law and my mom, by the way.

• 31:23Katie Jean?

  I know. You're making that perfectly clear, babe.

• 31:25Shawn Ryan?

  All right.

• 31:26Katie Jean?

  But, yeah, I'd like to get some phone calls on here.

• 31:29Shawn Ryan?

  I just don't want to get in trouble.

• 31:31Katie Jean?

  You won't. If you do, then we'll know by later tonight.

• 31:37Shawn Ryan?

  All right, well, I feel like I'm already in a little bit of trouble after Christmas, but...

• 31:41Katie Jean?

  Oh, boy, well, that's another story.

• 31:43Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, well, we won't get into that.

• 31:45Katie Jean?

  So let's talk about flannels, then.

• 31:47Shawn Ryan?

  Flannels are coming back soon.

• 31:49Katie Jean?

  Flannels are coming back. We are working our butts off, and, uh...

• 31:54Shawn Ryan?

  I'm not working my butt. You're working your butt off.

• 31:55Katie Jean?

  Well, I'm working my butt off on getting flannels up and going, some hats, some new hat designs. So, yeah.

• 32:04Shawn Ryan?

  What's the new hat design?

• 32:05Katie Jean?

  I can't tell you about that.

• 32:07Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, you can. It's a black hat with a white V.

• 32:11Katie Jean?

  All right.

• 32:12Shawn Ryan?

  Come on.

• 32:13Katie Jean?

  And a white flag. I think it looks badass.

• 32:16Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, is there a MAGA?

• 32:18Katie Jean?

  Uh, yes, there is.

• 32:19Shawn Ryan?

  Alright, well, in that case, one, I'm hungry, two...

• 32:23Katie Jean?

  You're out of wine.

• 32:24Shawn Ryan?

  I am about out of wine.

• 32:25Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 32:26Shawn Ryan?

  And three, I want to see this new hat design.

• 32:28Katie Jean?

  By the way, though, like whoever gave you the shout out about like the Publix wine? Somebody wrote you on Instagram about like Publix wine being back in stock?

• 32:36Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, that was cool.

• 32:38Katie Jean?

  Yeah, but they must have bought like all the Publix wine.

• 32:40Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, hey, thanks assholes. Like somebody fucking sent me a picture like, hey, the Publix wine is back because I think it's seasonal or something.

• 32:47Katie Jean?

  Right.

• 32:48Shawn Ryan?

  And then we go right there and all the fucking Publix wine is gone.

• 32:51Katie Jean?

  Like the entire thing.

• 32:52Shawn Ryan?

  The section's there, but there's no fucking Publix wine. And they tagged the fucking Publix that we go to.

• 32:58Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 33:01Katie Jean?

  That was messed up. I mean, I don't even drink, but I feel bad.

• 33:05Shawn Ryan?

  But, alright, well...

• 33:07Katie Jean?

  Alright, we'll wrap it up.

• 33:08Shawn Ryan?

  I'm hungry and thirsty.

• 33:10Katie Jean?

  Okay.

• 33:11Shawn Ryan?

  I want to see this hat design, so... If you guys like this, give us a like. Leave us a review.

• 33:18Katie Jean?

  Some nice comments.

• 33:19Shawn Ryan?

  Yeah, some nice comments. Tell my wife how beautiful she looks.

• 33:22Katie Jean?

  Oh, boy.

• 33:23Shawn Ryan?

  And tell me to get my ass back in the gym. But, and, uh, give us a podcast recommendation.

• 33:30Katie Jean?

  And if they want to see more. Oh, especially who? What were you gonna say?

• 33:33Shawn Ryan?

  See more what?

• 33:34Katie Jean?

  If they want to see more of the debrief.

• 33:35Shawn Ryan?

  Oh.

• 33:38Katie Jean?

  What were you gonna say?

• 33:39Shawn Ryan?

  Oh, nothing.

• 33:40Katie Jean?

  Alright.

• 33:41Shawn Ryan?

  My mind was in, you know, it was in the gutter.

• 33:43Katie Jean?

  Let's wrap it up.

• 33:48Shawn Ryan?

  Okay, but, uh, alright. Well, thanks for tuning in.

• 33:52Katie Jean?

  Yeah.

• 33:53Shawn Ryan?

  We'll do this after every episode. And if you don't like it, then we'll do it twice after every episode.

• 33:58Katie Jean?

  Why not?

• 33:59Shawn Ryan?

  Just kidding, but, alright. We'll see you guys soon.

• 34:04Katie Jean?

  Good night.

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