S2E17: When a Near-Death Experience Unlocks Hidden Genius Part One |Talk Tracks

In part one of this two part episode series of Talk Tracks, we hear the extraordinary near-death experience of David Ditchfield, who survived a devastating train accident that should have been fatal. David describes leaving his injured body behind and entering a realm of healing light, guiding beings, and overwhelming unconditional love that felt more real than physical life. When he returned, he discovered he had become an accidental savant, awakening an innate ability to paint complex, detailed scenes of what he experienced on the other side despite having no formal artistic background. He shares how this sudden creative intelligence emerged as a direct result of his NDE and became central to his recovery and sense of purpose. Together, the conversation explores how near-death experiences can radically alter consciousness, unlock hidden capacities, and reshape how we understand creativity, identity, and survival beyond the body. Join The Telepathy Tapes Backstage Pass to get ad-free episodes, never-before-heard interviews, behind-the-scenes documentary footage, and access to our private Discord community. This is your invitation to come closer. To help shape what’s next. To be more than a listener… to be a co-creator of this paradigm shift. So if you’ve felt moved, if you’ve felt seen, if you’ve felt the call—subscribe today and join us: thetelepathytapes.supercast.com. http://thetelepathytapes.supercast.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Ky Dickens?

  Hi, everyone. I'm Kai Dickens, and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the Talk Tracks. In this series, we'll dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected truths from the Telepathy Tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that weave together our understanding of reality: science, spirituality, and, yes, even unexplained things like psi abilities. If you haven't yet listened to the Telepathy Tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non-speakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today but won't for long.

• 0:40Ky Dickens?

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• 1:25Ky Dickens?

  all over the world. Whether you're looking for support with stress, pain, sleep challenges, mood shifts, hormone changes, digestive issues, emotional well-being, or you're simply ready to operate at a higher level, the benefits are real. If you're already a believer like we are, and you're finally ready to try it for yourself, Luminara is offering 10% off your first session for Telepathy Tapes listeners. Just go to luminara.care. That's luminara.care, and use code TAPES10 at checkout for 10% off your first session. For our next two episodes of the Talk Tracks, we're introducing you to two new guests who didn't end up in the final cut of Telepathy Tapes Season 2, though they absolutely would have had we had more time. These guests share an incredible commonality and something we didn't quite get into in our episode on near-death experiences: near-death experiences that result in acquired Savant Syndrome.

• 2:10Ky Dickens?

  So many similarities come up time and time again in the interviews that we've done with NDE experiencers. Often, these are things like life reviews, engaging with some sort of light being or spirit guide, reuniting with loved ones who've passed, and the understanding that we are all part of a shared consciousness or source or oneness. And also, acquired savant skills. Having NDE sometimes turns on a hidden gift. First, you're going to hear from David Ditchfield. After a horrific accident put him in the hospital with close to no chance of survival, David Ditchfield found himself pulled into a realm of overwhelming love, clarity, and presence, an experience so vivid, it changed everything he thought he knew about life and death. And when he returned, he woke

• 2:51Ky Dickens?

  up with extraordinary gifts that he didn't have before, including the ability to paint scenes that he said were shown to him on the other side. Today, David joins us to share what he saw, what he learned, and how his near-death experience continues to shape his life.

• 3:09Speaker 01

  My name's David Ditchfield. I'm based in Cambridge in the UK. And I had a near-death experience, which followed on from a pretty horrific accident. It was a rail accident. I'd been seeing a friend off at a station in Cambridge. And I was actually living in London at the time, but I'd just gone to stay with my sister and her family who were living in Cambridge. And I was just kind of like hanging out there for a couple of weeks because I was very down on my luck. My life was in a really bad place. I was running out of money. I was running out of options. And I was about to be evicted from my apartment.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  So I needed to get away. So that's why I was there. And I just met somebody in London just prior to that, who I just made this connection with. We were just kind of like, you know, we got on really well. Somebody called Anna who wanted to come and see me while I was in Cambridge. So that's how that came about. She needed to get back to London. She got an appointment. So I was seeing her off. It was a February day, a very cold to beautiful day, actually, not a cloud in the sky. And she got onto the train. And I helped her onto the car with her bags and gave her a kiss and a hug to say goodbye. And it was at that point I stepped back to get off that the automatic closing doors

• 4:30Speaker 01

  closed on my coat. It was like the bottom sort of corner of it. It's like a three quarter length coat and I just couldn't pull it free. I tried everything. I really tugged hard, you know, and that wasn't gonna happen. I I looked around for a guard and there was no guard on that actual station unbeknown to me. So I started banging on the doors, you know, I started yelling for help and nobody turned up. This particular coat, it was like made of, it was a sheepskin coat, actually, that I that I'd inherited. And so it was quite an old one. So it was like, there's no way I was gonna put it free because there was no lining on it. So it was, you know, sort of really tightly fixed. So I thought, oh, man. Yeah, I remember that the engine started to roar

• 5:16Speaker 01

  on the train, but I say roar because that's how it felt because I suddenly felt like I was, for the first time in my life, I was, you know, I was facing death. I was looking death right in the eyes. And I thought, right, yeah, I went into fight or flight mode. I thought, and I'm gonna fight this. I'm I'm not, I'm determined not to let this thing take me. I looked through the glass and could see my friend looking at me with complete, complete terror in her eyes. And then the train started to edge out. I felt every gear shift, you know, as I got, as I got pulled, I was dragged along the platform initially and then I lost my footing and I was like, then

• 5:55Speaker 01

  I was stuck between the platform edge and the speeding train and on dry went. And I remember that transition going from, you know, the, the, this beautiful sunny day into like this darkness, you know, it was just like pulled, being pulled into a very dark, violent machine. And I was tossed around like a rag doll. So it was very violent and terrifying. And I was fully conscious throughout all this, but I was still trying to hang on for life. By a miracle, I was just suddenly thrown in between the track as the, as the train continued on. So I thought it's not over yet, you know, I could get hit by part of the undercarriage. So I kept my face right down into the gravel, you know, and I could smell that oily gravel.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  But I was, it didn't matter because I was, I thought I've got to survive and clearly I did. The emergency guys jumped down onto the track and they started like cutting through my clothes and they got me up on, onto the platform, which is a goodness knows how, but they did. Whirled me into the back of an ambulance and then I, I jumped in, well, I said jumped, we, we were in the back of the ambulance. And then the, the doctor who was in charge of the whole thing there said, look, we've just come from a hospital around the corner. That's how we got here so quick, but the one that's going to save your life is a thirty minute drive. Can you hang in there? And I said, yeah, let's go. So we kind of went, screamed off down the highway, you know, with all the, you know, the sirens going.

• 7:20Speaker 01

  Arrived at the hospital in Cambridge, Adam McHospital, which is a really big hospital. And there was a whole team of medics waiting there in the emergency department. And, you know, I could, I could hear fear in, in their voices. I didn't know what they were talking about. It was all science to me, obviously, but I just remember all this fast conversation going on. And I was losing a lot of blood at this stage. So I, I kind of figured even then at that point that it's not all over yet, you know? And the surgeon who was in charge of the whole thing came up to me and said, look, we've got to take you straight into theatre to start operating on you. But your family are here. Would you like to see them before we take you in? I said, well, yeah, I, I was really surprised that my family were there.

• 8:05Speaker 01

  You know, I thought, how did they get here? But there they were. So they came in and I said, yeah, I'd love to see them, you know, I needed them. I needed my mom, actually. It was really hard. I just had that thing where I just wanted to see my mother. And she came in and she was in tears, you know? And I was going, mum, I'm so sorry. It's always me bringing all the dramas to this family, isn't it? And she was going, no, stop it. It's not your fault, you know, which it wasn't my fault. But I was very keen to see my friend Anna, who I could see was sat at the back of the emergency department. And so I said, I need to speak to her before I go. And so she came forward and she was shaking her head from side to side, you know, and saying, I can't believe you're alive. They announced over the speakers at the, when the train stopped

• 8:47Speaker 01

  that, well, that you were, it was a fatality at the, at the previous station. So she assumed I was dead. So it was at that point that I left all the drama of the hospital. I left all the agony that I was in, you know, and, and I, I was suddenly, I don't, I was, it was kind of like, it was like a beautiful transition from that place into a lovely small, what appeared to be a small darkened room. And I figured, okay, this is it. I haven't made it. This is death. You know, I thought I'd died, you know, and I thought this, this is, you know, what's happened. I knew nothing about near death experiences at all, you know, before this, I was non-spiritual. I had nothing to do with spirituality, you

• 9:30Speaker 01

  know, it didn't even occur to me. And so I just thought this, I, I, I'm dead. This is it. I didn't try to fight it or resist it. You know, I've since learnt that some people who've had near death experiences do try to resist that initial pull. Because I've got kids and stuff like that, which I didn't have that in my life then. So it wasn't really an issue, you know, to try and, and hang on. I didn't want to die, but I just felt everything I'd just been through, it just felt like it was so welcoming and safe that it was kind of like, it was almost like I was tempted to just stay and go with it. So I did. I looked around to get my bearings and, and as I looked around in this

• 10:11Speaker 01

  small darkened space, I was suddenly greeted by these pulsating colours of lights. There were like orbs that were slowly pulsating all around me. And this made me feel safe as well. This made me feel like I was in a, in, in a, in a good place. I wanted to check my body. I wanted to check the wounds to see how everything was looking. And I, so I lifted myself up and, and looked down. Everything was healed, nothing, you know, everything was in place. There wasn't even a single scratch or bruise, you know? It was just like this, my, my body as it had been up until the point of the accident. In, in fact, even better, it just looked really pristine.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  And I realised I was no longer clothed. I was just covered in this blue sort of satin silky material. And, and I, I, I suddenly felt beneath me and I thought I'm no longer on the, the hospital trolley that I'd been brought in from the ambulance. I was, I was now laid on this huge rock. It was like a huge sort of slate, sort of rock. I, I describe it as being something like it's here in the UK, like Stonehenge or, you know, or, or a medieval altar, you know, just something very primitive. And, but it felt remarkably comfortable. And so I kind of lay myself back onto this rock and I closed my eyes.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  I needed to just almost like rest and, and adjust to where I was. And as I closed my eyes, you know, I laid there for a while and then light started to appear through my eyelids. So I opened my eyes and there were like three symmetrical grids of white lights, very bright, pure white lights. So that were closing in towards me. The light was so intense that, you know, you and I now would not be able to look into that light, you know? But in this realm, it was, it was possible. And in fact, I couldn't take my gaze away from this light because I realised that it was, it was beyond just a, just light itself. There was like a healing energy coming from, from that light, from these grids.

• 12:22Speaker 01

  And I, I realised that the, the, the, the healing process was starting to heal all the trauma that I'd just been through. My body and physically, but also mentally and emotionally, you know, the, the big trauma of going under a train, which was huge, you know? And I started to feel even more calm and, and relaxed.

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• 15:06Speaker 01

  So I closed my eyes and went with this process of being healed. And as this process went on, I suddenly felt the presence of somebody was there, you know, that kind of feeling, I always describe it as being if you're taking an afternoon nap, you know, and somebody walks into a room, you just know if someone's walked in, you know, and you open your eyes. So I did, I opened my eyes and lifted my head. And there stood at my feet was this beautiful being, an androgynous person with this pure white blonde hair and skin that was like emanating light from, from within.

• 15:45Speaker 01

  And this person was like wearing a very simple contemporary black t-shirt, very similar to what I'm wearing now, but in, in black and was kind of surprised me because I thought, well, if this is death, then I thought there'd be some kind of robed person or whatever, you know, but that wasn't the case. But I didn't mind, I didn't argue with that because I was more fixated by the fact that I knew this person's face. And I thought, but I couldn't figure where from, you know. And I said out loud for the first time, I said, who are you? I know you don't, I know, where do I know you from? I know your, your face, you know. And this person just kind of then started to smile at me with a, with a knowing

• 16:29Speaker 01

  smile, looking back at me. And it was a reassuring smile as well and said nothing. But I also then started to realize that information was, was coming through. It was almost like telepathic, but it, but it wasn't, it was very strange because it was very clear, but it wasn't spoken. It wasn't, it was non-verbal, but I started to realize that this person was like the gatekeeper to, to, to what was happening at the moment. You know, this person was there to, to sort of guide me as to the process of what was beginning to unfold. So I trusted it. I went in it. There was complete trust and faith, you know. And, and I closed my eyes again and laid back.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  And as the time went on, I started to feel a sensation of more people, you know, had arrived. So I opened my eyes again and either side of me were two female forms now. There was a girl to my right, very European in appearance, you know, wearing again a simple brown dress, but quite dark skin, long brown hat. Whereas the girl to my left was more American Indian, Asian Indian, you know, South American, I'm not sure. But she had a really beautiful sort of all night dress on. It was quite traditional dress and lovely dark skin. And they both had their hands slowly hovering over the contours

• 17:55Speaker 01

  of my body. And I was, again, I was feeling the sensation of this energy that I'd felt from the grids of light. But it was more intense now. It was just, I realized that the healing process that was happening that was coming from their hands was going beyond just the physical wounds that I'd just received. I realized that they were starting to heal the years of hurt, you know, that we all carry with us, you know, there's no avoiding that. We've all got stories that we've carried throughout our lives, you know, and I felt like they were like literally releasing all the years of pain or baggage that I carried

• 18:37Speaker 01

  with me throughout those years. And they were just getting down to the pure essence of my soul, you know, they were getting down really deep. And it was an incredibly liberating feeling. It was just, I'd never felt anything like this before in my life because I'd never even allowed myself to even go there, you know, there was no sense of wanting to understand me or any pain that I'd carried throughout the whole of my life. But this was, yeah, this was liberating. This was beautiful. And so I continued to bathe in all this beautiful healing energy. And then I started to think about my family because as I pointed out, you know, my mother was in tears. They were all in shock, the whole

• 19:18Speaker 01

  family. And I thought, well, okay, well, if this is death, then they're clearly going to be, my family are going to be really upset now. They're going to be going through the fact that they've just lost me, you know. So I decided to lift my head and see if I could see them. And so I edged my way over from this huge rock that I was still laid on and looked down. I looked down, for a great, if I looked down, I would see them in the hospital. But I couldn't see them. I couldn't see them at all. But that was okay, you know, I did, I kind of mere of all would have been feeling a sense of like panic and oh my goodness, I can't see my family. No, what

• 19:58Speaker 01

  what's happened, you know, it's what, where am I and why can't I see them? And but none of that happened. There was, there was a complete sense of, okay, well, I can't see them now, but you know, they're going to be experiencing everything that I'm going through now when their time comes. And, and you know, there was a sense of it's all right. But what was more incredible was the, than the sight of not, not being able to see them was this awe inspiring view. As I did look down, I was suddenly looking into a waterfall of stars, you know, a waterfall, the size of Niagara Falls, you know, Victoria Falls. It was vast. It was huge, you know.

• 20:39Speaker 01

  And I suddenly thought, wow, I'm no longer in this small darkened space that I figured I was in. I'm actually in the universe itself. And I was just so awe struck. I was going, wow, look at this. And I was just kind of looking. And instead of like billions of tons of water, toppling over the edge, it was like billions of beautiful stars cascading over, you know, they were like shooting stars. There was like all these beautiful displays and I was trying to fix my gaze and I felt like I was looking down into infinity. I was looking into one galaxy into another. And I started to see colors, form, nebula's, gases, which was all new to me. I mean, up until that point, I had no interest in astronomy or the, the universe or anything.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  You know, to me, the universe was just that kind of black sky above me, walking down the street at night and with white sparking stars. I knew nothing about nebula's. So all this was new. All this was very awe inspiring. And so I, I hoisted myself back over onto the rock and then I, I just kind of like laid back again and continued to, you know, really.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Relatively to everything that was was appearing and and also sensing that the knowledge was still coming through. The knowledge was that that I was part of this the universe and that I was moving forward with the universal energy. And that I'd always been part of the universe and I hadn't realised it. So all that was kind of strange to me, but it all made sense at the same time. But the most incredible part, really, the most profound part was to happen right at the end of this whole experience for me. Was as I'd lay there with my eyes closed still was I felt this beautiful energy

• 22:25Speaker 01

  that was coming from the the hands of the healers and the lights was suddenly very, very intensified now. In fact, I felt like every single molecule of my body was just vibrating with with a sensation of love. And it was a sensation of unconditional love like I'd never experienced in my life. It was all all the different types of love, like whether it been from from my my mother or my lovers or or my pet animals, cats, dogs, whatever, you know, all those different types of love all condensed and just coming through at once. And so I opened my eyes once more and looked and I just beyond the being of light, it was still stood at my feet with the with the black tissue.

• 23:09Speaker 01

  Was this huge tunnel of white light that was coming through the universe, coming through the stars and getting closer and closer. And this tunnel of white light was like surrounded by very dramatic flames that were slowly circulating around the edge. And again, normally this would have been quite terrifying because it was quite huge. And it was kind of like causing this sensation of of of physical vibration. I thought, what is going on? What's happening? But there was no sense of terror or fear, only complete trust. And and what I was now being told was that this is the source of all creation.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  This is like not God, as I had always figured God would probably look from my school books, you know, you know, you know, the Michelangelo image of God on the ceiling of the Vatican with the long great beard. No, this was God in the form of this huge tunnel of white light. And as it closed in on me, the the vibration was so strong. And just the knowledge that this was the source of all love, the source of all life, was then causing me to just, I remember laughing out loud to myself at this, at this, knowing what I'd just learnt and what I was feeling and experiencing, that I suddenly

• 24:31Speaker 01

  left it all. I suddenly came crashing back into my body and I was back in the hospital. I was like, sort of back, you know, all the pain started to rush through my veins and bones and muscles and, and, you know, the, all the beautiful light that was there was suddenly replaced by the fluorescent strip that was screaming into my eyes from above. And, and the, the noise and the drama of the hospital was like overkill, but there I was, you know, back, back on earth, as it were. And I'd not even gone into surgery, you know. In terms of time, it was very hard to tell because it was probably not that long. Nobody could tell me because obviously at that point, everyone was in shock, everything,

• 25:15Speaker 01

  everything that was happening, nobody could really remember. And, but it, it wasn't like it was, it was hours or anything like that. But it felt like, a lot of people asked me how long it felt to me to be in that other realm. And I always say that there's, there's no, the one thing I realised when I was there, that there's no, there's, there's no sense of time then, you know, time doesn't exist. Because I remember sensing to myself, as I was there, that for the first time in my life, I, I was no longer concerned with, with, with, with time. You know, I, I, I felt like I was in the present moment and that time didn't exist. I'd spent the rest of my, but my previous years, being either

• 25:58Speaker 01

  concerned with the past, past mistakes I'd made, the opportunities I'd missed out on, or was concerned with the future, worried about where my life was going to go because I was running out of money and all those different things, you know, rather than being focused on the present moment. Whereas in that realm, it was just about the present moment. And it was all about being present, which was just like a very powerful thing and something that I try to hang on to and, and, you know, and keep that in, in my life now.

• 26:38Ky Dickens?

  Did you ever realize where you knew the mysterious white figure in the T-shirt from?

• 26:42Speaker 01

  That person was my highest self. You know, this is, this person had been with me throughout not only this lifetime, but all the previous lifetimes and what have you, you know? So, yeah, that's how I knew that person so well. That's how I recognized that person's face, but I couldn't pinpoint it, you know?

• 27:00Ky Dickens?

  And how long did it take to recover from the accident?

• 27:03Speaker 01

  A couple of years in order to recover from it, yeah. But when I was in hospital, you know, I remember the surgeon who was the consultant who was in charge of the whole thing, you know, we formed a really good bond, you know? And he was saying to me, he said, "You're recovering at an incredible rate, considering what's happened to you, we don't get it." And I started to tell him about what had happened. And he said, "Look, I'm a doctor, I'm a scientist, I don't want to hear any more of that stuff. Let's leave it at that," and laughed, you know? So, so there was, there was something, because it's really bizarre, there was just when I, a lot of people say to me, "When you did come back into the hospital, you must have been really gutted, you know, after all the beauty you've just been through."

• 27:48Speaker 01

  And I wasn't, because I still felt, especially at the beginning, that I was still very attached to that other realm. I felt like I'd still got this umbilical cord coming through and there was like still energy coming from there. And when I was recovering in hospital, even though physically I was in a mess, you know, I got tubes and wires coming out of me, that I got so much power inside of me that I was just like, you know, I was like, sort of like, it was, it was almost like the recovery for me was not a struggle, you know? Obviously, yes, it was physically, you know, you didn't come back superhuman, but in terms of my, my well, my soul, my, you know, my inner self, I'd never felt so good in the whole of my life, you know? And that stayed with me, you know?

• 28:33Speaker 01

  And that helped me with the recovery. It's been, it's become a very big part of my life. I've never, I've never let go of it. And I guess the reason being is because when I was laid the first night after, after I'd come out of theatre, you know, they'd operated on me for about eight and a half hours, the first operation. And I remember lying in the hospital room, they'd given me a room on my own. And I was lying, I've just got this R two D two machine bleeping next to me, you know. And and I obviously I was, you know, thinking about processing what had just happened going under a train. Cause that's very, very big, you know, believe you me, but I was more fixated on on what had happened. You know, the the the whole N D E, because as I say, I knew nothing about N D Es.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  And I thought, am I the only person this has happened to? And I thought, I've got to share this with people, because this is like, I want people to know that that life continues on. This is, this is not the end, you know. I wasn't afraid to tell and share, obviously I wanted to pick my moment, but and I was scared I was gonna forget it all. I was really scared, so I thought, right, I'm gonna do a painting. I wasn't not an artist, you know, I was, I was a, I was a manual labourer, you know, I was just picking at work, whatever I could do until that point. But I thought, I'm gonna do a painting and I thought, I'm gonna do a big sort of like dramatic painting. It's got to be like those big sort of Renaissance style biblical scenes, you know. I wanted to do something like that. So when I came out of hospital, that's the first thing I did once I was well enough, was to start this painting.

• 30:01Speaker 01

  And from that moment on, I started to realise that, again, I was still getting energy coming through from that realm. Helping me to to do this first, very first painting that I did, based on my N D E. And I thought, I was going, wow, this is amazing. This is like, this is not just me who's creating this painting, something else is happening here. So I I I I became prolific, I couldn't stop painting and I was just doing so many bits of artwork that that I guess I started to realise that this was like, almost like my calling, you know, because I remember at at the beginning was, I kept saying to myself, what is it? Why have they sent me back? What is my purpose? I felt like I must have some kind of purpose here to have come back and from all that.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  And and at first I thought I was gonna be a healer or or helping people. But I realised that was my calling that was just gonna, I was starting to. People were coming, looking at my, my paintings as I was, as, as I was starting to put them together and I start explaining to others and I've started to realise that people are interested and fascinated. I've never looked for confirmation, you know, it's, it's more like sort of validation. I'd done quite a few sort of online N D E conferences, you know, which have been mainly U S ones actually. And, and that's when I started to realise, that's when I started to meet other people that had N D Es. And we'd have kind of like a green room, if you like, we'd, we'd kind of meet the night before just to kind of all, all say hi and meet each other.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  And what was interesting there was obviously we don't sit around sharing our experiences with each other, the actual N D E. But we'd talk about things that would happen, that we'd noticed certain things that would, that had changed in our life, just kind of small things, you know, we go, oh. Oh, do you get that as well? That kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, I felt that as well. You know, like, for example, I remember when I was in hospital that. When my family and friends would come in and see me, that, that, that they would, they couldn't touch the hospital bed, you know, because I was like full of static, you know, they're going. You're really, you, you're like this electrical, you know, stuff like that, you know, which we kind of laughed about, me and my family at the time. I never really thought much about it, but just things like that, small things, you know, where people were saying, yeah, I had that as well.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  Everyone would walk into the hospital room and they couldn't touch the bed, but ah, which is kind of nice, as a kind of sweet thing, you know, but, but it's still validation in, in, in a sense, yeah. And what I realised as well is, is that obviously most people's stories differ a lot, you know. Not everybody sees the same thing, but there's lots of things like the tunnel of white light that I've talked about, which is obviously that's, that's something that's quite universal. But yeah, but, but all in all, you know, there's a sense that even though everyone's stories are different, you know, and some people. Uh, have gone through different situations than me, some people, you asked about how long, you know.

• 32:55Speaker 01

  It was when this all happened to me, you know, some people were in comas and stuff like that and every, everybody's is different. I mean, that's why it's called a near death experience, because it's kind of like you are, it's, it's at that point where you may. May have flatlined or you may be very close to death as I was, you know, I mean, to go under that train was a was a very close shave. And in fact, I remember the because it was a big thing in the UK, the the the we have like the the UK rail police have to investigate it because of the the the nature of it, you know, for health and safety and stuff. And they spent a year doing all this, you know, and so they interviewed me a lot, you know, they come and see me, you know, they said, oh, we've taken the, you

• 33:39Speaker 01

  know, the train down to London, we've stripped the doors down to the last rivet, you know, it was a very big job. I thought, wow. And right at the end, I remember, you know, the head of the rail police said to me, well, we finished all our inquiries now. But you know what, David, we don't get it, the whole team. We we've done all our figures and maths, and you should not have survived that. You should be you should be dead now, not sat here talking to me, you know. And so it's it's very strange, you know, as I say, everyone's story is different, but but there's a universal sort of sameness as well. My phrase for it is ultra real. That's how I describe it. Because it is, you know, it's it's kind of like, you know, obviously, people will say to me, which I'm completely open to as well,

• 34:23Speaker 01

  because I the more questions that come, the better. That some people say, are you sure, you know, that it wasn't hallucination to do with medication? Or are you sure it wasn't a dream? And I say, well, yeah, because because hallucinations and and dreams, they're more chaotic, you know, dream, if you think about it, when you have dreams at night, you know, even if you've had a really strong dream, you wake up the next day, say, hey, I had this really strong dream last night, that it is the kind of chaotic, but not only that, that if you keep repeating that dream over over time, you realize that it starts to shift, it changes, you know, the the narrative, whereas like with. Well, my own story, the narrative has never changed. I don't really listen back to

• 35:08Speaker 01

  previous interviews, I don't either. In fact, I don't enjoy doing that. It's not pleasurable for me. But there have been times when I've just kind of crossed a clip from something I've done before. Wow. So nothing really changes, is what I'm trying to say, that from what's happened, the whole experience itself, which is very far from being like a dream. I think most people who've had N Ds will also agree on, and that is that the sensation that everyone does feel when they're there is a sensation of love, you know, that, as I said, there was the healing energy that was coming through, it was an unconditional love that was coming through to me. But it also kind of like, for the first time in my life, I felt love

• 35:49Speaker 01

  for myself as well. I'd never, and I realised I'd never done that. I'd never really had any self-love. And because I'd got no self-love until that point in my life, I got no feelings of self-worth either, you know. And that was a really important takeaway for me, from that experience. I think that a lot of us can try to explore, because we don't, we don't really give ourselves enough space, as it were. We don't allow ourselves to stop, you know, because it's like we're so consumed with our lives, you know, because, you know, when I said to you earlier about that thing about when I was looking down into the waterfall stars, and that sensation of being in the universe itself, and that we are part of

• 36:34Speaker 01

  that universe, it's another thing that I think that we've forgotten that that's the case. If you think about it, you know, we're part of the animal kingdom, obviously, but we've, we're not governed by the universe anymore. The rest of the animal kingdom is, whether they're birds, fish, you know, sort of tigers, moths, or whatever, everything is governed by the laws of the universe. You know, birds migrate every year, you know, trees lose their leaves and all those different things, and then regrow again, springtime and what have you. Whereas like, we've forgotten all that now. We're, you know, we're governed by technology now, which I don't mind. I love technology. I love, you know, I don't try and shy away from it. But I think it's also important to remember that we are part

• 37:19Speaker 01

  of the universe, and the universe is something that's, it's a very...

• 37:26Speaker 01

  Beautiful, powerful force as well, and it's one that wants to create. He wants to create life, obviously. And he wants us to to create and and keep recreating rather than self-destructing, which is which is obviously we're very prone to doing, you know, on a mass I'm talking about there, you know. So so so I think those were like really big lessons for me, you know, that I I, you know, it's it's interesting as well, going back to the universe that I I I'm now fascinated by watching, you know, TV documentaries all about how the universe works and stuff like that. And I I I started watching a series here in the UK on the BBC,

• 38:09Speaker 01

  all about all the difference of the NASA trips, going to the moon or whatever, all the and interviewing astronauts, which I always find astronauts fascinating to to be interviewed. Because, you know, to be an astronaut, you've got to be a complete scientist, haven't you? Just like going back to that doctor I talked about earlier, you know. But they get moved, they but they get that profound sort of like out of body experience themselves because they're floating around in space and they're looking back at our beautiful planet, you know. And some of the stuff that comes out is really quite beautiful and profound, you know, considering they're scientists. So that says an awful lot. That's almost like saying that they've managed to step out of the the technical sort of noise

• 38:53Speaker 01

  that we that we surround ourselves with. And they say the same thing as well. They say that when you're looking back at the earth, there's you the there's no sense of of divide, there's no sense of wars or or anything, you know, you're just looking at this beautiful, beautiful, peaceful planet and all these beautiful colors, you know, and you just you don't see that. You don't see conflict, you know, you just see all the the the beauties of nature all coming together, you know. And I guess that's that's that's a very big thing for me, you know, just being aware that we are part of the universe.

• 39:30Ky Dickens?

  That's it for this episode of The Talk Tracks, but new episodes will be released every Wednesday, so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones, that knit together our reality. And please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. Thank you to my amazing collaborators, our executive producer Jill Pachesnik, our producer Catherine Ellis, and associate producer Selena Kennedy. Original music by Rachel Cantu. Opening and closing music by Elizabeth P. W. Original logo and cover art by Ben Candora Design. The audio mix and finishing by Sarah Ma. And I'm Kai Dickens, your writer, creator, and host. Thank you again for joining us.