Steve Robinson Exposes the Chinese Mafia’s Secret Drug Empire in the US & the Politicians Involved

Chinese crime gangs are flooding rural America with drugs. Steve Robinson of the Maine Wire is one of the only journalists who’s noticed. A shocking story. (00:00) The Takeover of Maine by Chinese Drug Cartels (06:53) How the Legalization of Marijuana Made Illegal Drug Trafficking Way Worse (12:11) How Warren Buffett Paved the Way for the Chinese Mafia (17:37) The Immigration Scam Destroying Rural America (26:36) Corrupt Politicians Allowing Tons of Chinese Crime Operations (39:45) Are US Politicians Being Paid off by the Chinese? (57:00) Why Corporate Media Refuses to Cover the Story Steve Robinson is an investigative journalist, documentary maker, and the Editor-in-Chief of TheMaineWire.com. A Maine native and graduate of Bowdoin College, Robinson has previously worked in talk radio and at Barstool Sports. His podcast and newsletter is available at AsMaineGoes.com. Paid partnerships with: Pique: Go to https://piquelife.com/tucker to get up to 20% off for life when you start your first month ExpressVPN: Go to https://ExpressVPN.com/Tucker and find out how you can get 4 months of ExpressVPN free! PureTalk: Go to https://PureTalk.com/Tucker to make the switchPolicygenius: Head to at https://Policygenius.com/Tucker to see how much you could save Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 0:29Tucker Carlson?

  We recently had a remarkable conversation with a man called Steve Robinson, one of the last independent journalists in the state of Maine. And he told us a story that stunned us. It's about the Chinese takeover, the takeover by Chinese drug cartels of the largest state in the Northeast. It's a story about what happens when immigration laws are ignored, when state and local governments fail to do their duty. We have a documentary out about this right now. It's on TCN. The documentary is called High Crimes: The Chinese Mafia's Takeover of Rural America. It's shocking. Watch it now. It's available only at TuckerCarlson.com.

• 1:30Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you for doing this. You're the best journalist in Maine. You're one of about six journalists in Maine. But if it weren't for you, I don't think anybody would have any idea what was happening in the state of Maine. So let's go to the story that has kind of defined your coverage over the last couple of years. And that is the, I don't think it's too strong to say, the takeover of rural Maine by Chinese drug cartels.

• 1:57Tucker Carlson?

  I'll stand back and let you describe the scale of this and what it is.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, it's shocking. I would say there's probably 300 to 400 properties throughout the state of Maine that are under the control of what the Department of Homeland Security, under President Biden, called Asian transnational criminal organizations. Chinese mafia, I think is a better term and an easier way to understand it. This first came to light in the end of 2023, when a reporter from the Daily Caller News Foundation, Jenny Tare, who's a fantastic reporter, got a leaked memo that said, hey, there's 270 plus of these sites in Maine, and there's another 800 in other parts of the country. And that caught my eye. I grew up in Maine, spent my whole life in Maine,

• 2:44Speaker 02

  and I figured if there were 270 sites in Maine where this criminal activity was occurring, I would be able to find it. And so I contacted Jenny and I worked with her and eventually got more information about some of these sites that she knew about, identified the property owners, and we visited some of the sites, started identifying some of the patterns. And I basically looked at every mortgage record for the past six or seven years in every county in the state of Maine, and all the electrical records for electrical upgrades for commercial grade power, which is required for these marijuana grows, some other financial records and mortgage documents, and was able to identify well over 300 Chinese marijuana

• 3:29Speaker 02

  growers, unlicensed, operating in the state of Maine, just from looking at records and piecing the puzzle together, and then decided I need to go visit them to see what the story is and to confirm it. And so I drove, I mean, easily 10,000 or more miles around the state of Maine to very, very distant, remote places, schools, factories, former shoe factories, former scrap metal yards. You know, there's

• 3:55Tucker Carlson?

  The detritus of the industrial economy.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, you know, there's one of these next to my high school basketball coach's house. One of these next to, um, you know, the, the guy who ended up marrying my high school girlfriend. He's got a Chinese marijuana grow next to him. There's a Chinese marijuana grow next to the first place that I got drunk with my high school friends. There's a Chinese marijuana grow on my camp road that has since been busted. There's a Chinese marijuana grow on my dad's road in St. Albans. They're everywhere. They're in former schools, former nursing homes. Um, and we were able to find them. They were, it was easy to find. And it turned out that, uh, one of the first things I would do when I showed up and scoped something out. I mean, you can smell it. You can see the upgraded electrical work. Uh, you can see the license plate out front from New York City.

• 4:41Speaker 02

  And you go and you talk with the neighbors and the neighbors, you know, you just knock on the door and say, hey, I'd like to talk to you about your neighbors and they kind of get this look in their eye like finally, like finally somebody wants to come like hear what we've been going through, what we've been seeing. And they're eager to share their story. And the story is always that in the middle of COVID, a young couple that spoke decent English, uh, were of Asian descent, showed up, bought the house, came over, introduced themselves, uh, gave them a bottle of wine or a bottle of cognac, uh, and introduced themselves and said, well, you know, we're getting away from Boston or we're getting away from New York because of COVID. And, um, you know, this is just going to be our family getaway. And then they never saw that couple again.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  And from then on, it was a steady stream of, uh, other individuals of Asian descent who did not speak English, uh, were not personable, seldom left the house. And every 30 to 40 days, a U-Haul would arrive, usually, um, at dark hours, you know, 3:00 AM, 4:00 AM, and be there for about an hour and leave. And then there obviously was the smell of cannabis, very pungent and all the windows blacked out and the electrical work and odd chemicals being dumped in the backyard and some other indicators. Sometimes they would burn to the ground, uh, because they were trying to pass through too much electricity through. But, um, it was, I guess it was a period of seven or eight months. I spent driving all around the state of Maine and seeing story after story after story

• 6:08Speaker 02

  and interviewing all of these people and seeing how scared people were, how terrified people were, how well-known the story was amongst people. Why were people afraid? They were for a number of reasons, I think. I think there were some people who were afraid of being called racist if they were. Everyone in Maine is afraid of being called racist, I've noticed. It's the main weakness of the state. Which is, what I found was the exact opposite. I found that they were willing to tolerate behavior from their Chinese neighbors that they would never have tolerated from Irish or French or English neighbors. Like absolutely, you know, illegal dumping, breaking the transformer every other week and causing blackouts in the neighborhood. They would never have tolerated

• 6:50Speaker 02

  this behavior from white neighbors, but because of this inclination to not be smeared as a racist, they were willing to tolerate it. But they were also scared because they knew the signs of a criminal organization. You know, they knew, they knew what was going on. And the marijuana economy in Maine is big. It's bigger than blueberries, potatoes and lobsters. So there are enough people in the industry who are talking about this. And so there was this kind of secret hidden knowledge of what was happening in this state, but it was like, you can't talk about it.

• 7:23Tucker Carlson?

  I'm a little bit confused for a couple, I mean, there's so many questions. I'm glad we have time. Maine has effectively legalized marijuana. Okay, so their weed and some kind of criminal enterprise has funded all these weed dispensaries, medical marijuana dispensaries are in every town. They're the only new buildings in most towns, as you well know. And the idea, the way that was sold.

• 7:50Tucker Carlson?

  Your dog's getting mad about this.

• 7:51Speaker 02

  Yes, he's very upset with what's happening to Maine.

• 7:54Tucker Carlson?

  The way this is, this was sold to Maine voters was, we're going to take the crime out of marijuana. Like, we're going to regulate it. It's gonna, if you want marijuana, if you want cannabis, you can go and get it. It's got no weird chemicals.

• 8:08Speaker 02

  It's gonna be safer.

• 8:08Tucker Carlson?

  It's gonna be safer.

• 8:09Speaker 02

  Yeah. And the tax money too. The tax money is, our schools are going to be so much better. Our streets will be safer. There'll be so much more revenue.

• 8:16Tucker Carlson?

  No bigger group of liars than the marijuana peddlers. After, they're liars. I know a lot of them are liars. Anyway, whatever. This is the opposite of what was promised, correct?

• 8:25Speaker 02

  Yes. I think that there, we unintentionally created a system that was so ripe for exploitation by criminal groups that you have to wonder if it was done intentionally.

• 8:37Tucker Carlson?

  So, but why would they, I mean, there's so much marijuana in Maine. You know, everyone you know grows marijuana in Maine. It's value's fallen dramatically. I don't know what they're selling an ounce of weed for right now, but like not, you can stuff your mattress with it.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Forty or fifty dollars.

• 8:51Tucker Carlson?

  That's crazy.

• 8:51Speaker 02

  If it's triad weed.

• 8:52Tucker Carlson?

  Forty or fifty dollars an ounce.

• 8:54Speaker 02

  If it's triad weed.

• 8:55Tucker Carlson?

  Marijuana, but I did as a child in nineteen eighty-three, it was a hundred dollars an ounce.

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:00Tucker Carlson?

  In that, in nineteen eighty-three dollars. So it's dramatically cheaper than it ever was. So why, what's the motive for illegal weed grows?

• 9:09Speaker 02

  Well, they have the advantage of not paying taxes, no regulatory compliance. They're not paying their labor a significant amount of money. They're using pesticides and fungicides illegally that reduce their product loss. They can also export marijuana. About two-thirds of the product that they grow illegally leaves the state of Maine. Legal growers aren't allowed to do that because it's not federally legal yet. So they can sell into black markets like New York for a period of time, which was a black market, you know, early on into Maine's development of triad weed. Later it was a gray market where they legalized it, but didn't really have a formal system for the sale of marijuana products. So anytime you can bring your product from Maine to a black market

• 9:53Speaker 02

  state, you're going to get three or four times the price. And this is something that a Chinese criminal organization can do, but the mom and pop trying to run a cannabis edible store or whatever can't do. They can't export their product out of state. So if you have all these built-in cost advantages, you can get a significant amount of money off of it. And they also consider it very low risk. And they were right to consider it low risk. Because when the, when the state of Maine legalized marijuana, just like what happened in Washington state and in Oklahoma and in California, it creates, it changes the culture in law enforcement. We sent a signal to law enforcement that marijuana was no longer a problem. It was legal, people voted, stopped paying attention to marijuana, and cops who,

• 10:36Speaker 02

  you know, busted a significant marijuana bust were kind of laughed at, like, ah, that's just pot, that's legal. Why are you doing that? Fentanyl is the priority. And we also have all kinds of legal marijuana grows happening, and that functions as camouflage for what the Chinese are doing. So it might not be the most lucrative activity, but it's, it's pretty damn lucrative, but it's low risk. Very low risk for them because at worst, you know, they're gonna, you know, you're gonna get arrested, you're gonna get mugshot taken, you're gonna get $2,000 bail and you'll be released and probably never have to show up at court, go to New York, get a new driver's license with a new name, come back and find a different marijuana grow to work at. So really, no one suffers any consequences from this incredibly lucrative activity that they're engaged in.

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• 14:35Tucker Carlson?

  You said there were illegal Chinese cartel grows all around where you grew up. Where did you grow up and what did your family do?

• 14:43Speaker 02

  I grew up in Dexter, Maine. It's kind of in the center of the state, southwest Penobscot County, on the border of Somerset. And my mom worked in hospitals. She was a medical assistant. And my dad worked for a period of time at Dexter Shoe until our good friend Warren Buffett bought it and closed it and ruined the town of Dexter. And then he worked in car sales for pretty much the rest of my life.

• 15:07Tucker Carlson?

  Your father worked in the shoe plant, your grandfather worked in the shoe?

• 15:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, my grandfather also worked in the shoe factory as well. Yeah, Dexter Shoes, it used to be a prestige brand, you know, probably 800 to maybe even, maybe even higher than that if you include the Milo factory. So probably well over 1,000 union jobs making shoes. But Warren Buffett thought that he could do it better.

• 15:32Tucker Carlson?

  Did he?

• 15:32Speaker 02

  No.

• 15:33Tucker Carlson?

  And what happened to Dexter, Maine?

• 15:36Speaker 02

  The town has collapsed. It's scary. It's sad. It's heartbreaking to return to. The public school's the largest employer in the town. You know, my high school, or my Little League baseball coach used to own one of the general convenience stores in town. Not anymore. It's owned by a member of the Patel family. Crazy Bob's Discount Tobacco, also owned by a member of the Patel family.

• 16:04Tucker Carlson?

  Have they made it a lot better?

• 16:06Speaker 02

  No. No.

• 16:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I knew that.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, there's, I think, seven Chinese marijuana grows that were operating in Dexter, despite the fact that Dexter opted out of the state's legal programs. So these were de facto illegal. You could look at them and tell that they were illegal, that they weren't licensed, because Dexter did not participate in that marijuana program. Yet for some mysterious reason, the Dexter police know where they are and haven't taken any action on them.

• 16:34Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, so the town's economy collapsed when Warren Buffett came in and over time shut down the factory? And then it was invaded by people from Asia who took over the businesses and then started seven illegal marijuana grows? Seven?

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Didn't happen that fast. Didn't happen exactly that fast. So I think Buffett's acquisition of Dexter Shoe was in like 96 or 97.

• 17:03Tucker Carlson?

  I remember it, yeah.

• 17:04Speaker 02

  And it kind of, it limped along for a little while. And there were some other attempts. There were some other businesses in Dexter. It was a town of about 4,000 people at the time. I think it's now down to 3,500. But when I go home, I don't recognize. Anybody in Dexter anymore and you know, my family, my friends for the most part have all moved away. The I see Dexter in the headlines a lot for fentanyl raids and busts. But the the town has really been hollowed out. And I think it was the collapse, the economic collapse and the despair in the town just created a low real estate prices. For entrepreneurs from out in from foreign countries to take advantage of. Yeah.

• 17:43Tucker Carlson?

  And just bleed it of whatever was left.

• 17:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, and we've actually, we've we we, as in the United States, have created programs that help them. We've taken money from United States taxpayers to help both the, I mean, we don't necessarily needed to need to get into the Patel Hotel cartel. But they're taking advantage of Small Business Administration loans. And it took until just recently with the election of Trump to stop SBA loans to foreign nationals and non citizens. I don't know why we were giving SBA loans to to non citizens. That's interesting.

• 18:16Tucker Carlson?

  I just want to, because I'm familiar with what you're talking about. I just want to say emphatically that there's been not only no improvement. So these stores, which are often very often the only store in a town.

• 18:28Speaker 02

  Best pizza, best pizza, coffee, the, you know, the centerpiece of the town, the town common.

• 18:33Tucker Carlson?

  It's the town hall. Yeah, of course, everybody's there. And they've been taken over almost exclusively by foreigners from the subcontinent. And they have, I've been to many of them, they've all gotten much worse, much worse, selling drug paraphernalia. Just garbage products, hostile. Have you seen any improvement?

• 18:53Speaker 02

  No, and they're they're also, I mean, they're selling cannabis product derivatives that were legalized by the Farm Bill. That legalized hemp and unintentionally created this huge world of dodgy, unregulated drugs that are available for minors. And in many instances, it's these specific convenience stores that are selling these hemp derived products, which are, I guess, THC or marijuana adjacent. Will give you kind of the similar experience, but are wildly underregulated and untested, dangerous.

• 19:24Tucker Carlson?

  Every illegal Chinese vape is for sale. I mean, it's. It's the most degrading thing I've ever seen. It makes me want to get a gun every time I walk into one of these places. It's such a, it's just parasitic behavior in the most obvious way and and hostile. So, um.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  And there's no, there's, we have no, we have no immune system as a state to repel what's happening because there's not enough capital to come in. There's no, there's no competitor to foreign money coming in with an SBA loan and buying up Toots, Delicatessen and Dexter. There's no one else who could possibly buy that store. And there's no, and there's no one who would want to frankly.

• 20:01Tucker Carlson?

  So I've seen, and I hate to get sidetracked, but I, it's, it's such, it's such a big question in rural America. Who runs the general store, the convenience store, the gas station store, whatever you call it. It's the, it's the center of every little town. And if all of a sudden in the space of five years, they're all run by non-citizens from India and they're all getting worse and they're all engaging in business practices that are almost like intentionally degrading of the people who live there. Like, no, we only sell generic cigarettes, illegal Chinese vapes and some kind of weird, non-regulated narcotic and bongs and crack pipes. That's literally what's happening.

• 20:37Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:39Tucker Carlson?

  Um, and there's garbage piled up outside. I mean, the whole thing is like beyond belief. You have to sort of wonder like, what actually is this? Are these incredibly profitable businesses? This seems like a scam of some kind. But last thing I'll say, I know this for a fact, a lot of these places, if you look at the tax records, they trade for, you know, 300 grand or something. But most of the transactions off the books in cash. So they're dodging taxes, actually.

• 21:04Speaker 02

  And they, and they shift around from one trust to another trust and then back to another trust. There's very complicated, very complex financial schemes at play.

• 21:12Tucker Carlson?

  So what is, this is clearly a scam. This is a criminal scam. I don't think it's just in the state of Maine. I think it's probably all throughout. I know it's in New Hampshire as well, in Vermont. What is this scam?

• 21:23Speaker 02

  Well, they're certainly not making money off the hotels that they operate in the in the general stores. If you look at a town like Lincoln, Maine, something similar has happened where one family from away, from out of state, has come in and purchased competing rival gas stations. But there's one gas station that's still owned by a local. And so naturally, the people who know the guy who owns the store and don't know the guy who owns the other stores will go and patronize the guy that they still know. So as business has declined to these other general stores, somehow they're still thriving. And initially, their employees are locals and Mainers. But then eventually, there's a new class of employees who are brought in, who are brought in very likely on visas,

• 22:07Speaker 02

  who are also from away. So I think that if you look at some of the From India. Yeah. I think that if you look at some of the cases that have been filed, even under the Biden administration, against operations that look a lot like what's happening in Maine, they're immigration scams. They're they're using these businesses as a pretext to get SBA loans and also to get access to visa programs so that they can sell legal entry into the country to people back in

• 22:35Tucker Carlson?

  So they're selling, they're selling those visas?

• 22:38Speaker 02

  To be clear, I don't have proof that that's happening in Lincoln or Dexter, but there are indictments in, there's one I know very well in Texas, where that's exactly what was happening.

• 22:49Tucker Carlson?

  It's made every town where I've seen it, and it's, you know, a dozen or more worse.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 22:54Tucker Carlson?

  So that's kind of, you know, okay, there are million scams, but like, if you roll into somebody's town and degrade it on purpose and make it much worse, you know, I think that's a moral crime. And there's been no response at all. Okay.

• 23:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I was actually, I was asked about a food pantry operation that they were trying to set up in Dexter. They're trying to raise some money to, you know, help give out food to poor people. And I asked, you know, how much of the new owners of Dexter Variety and Toots Delicatessen contributed to this charity operation, you know, their new, you know, pillars of our community and small business owners, how much have they given? And I was never given a very good answer on that.

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• 25:50Speaker 02

  But that's only one aspect of how the United States taxpayer is subsidizing this, what's happening here. The, the, about, I would say, a third of the properties in the state of Maine that would go on to become illegal Chinese marijuana growhouses were purchased using mortgages through a program called the Community Development Finance Institution. It's a designation that you give to banks. The entire purpose of the program is to help marginalized communities access financing. The idea is that if you were an immigrant in the 1980s, 1990s, you couldn't prove regular income. You had irregular finances and trouble

• 26:32Speaker 02

  accessing a mortgage. So they created this special program to take away some of the risk from the lender. So there's one bank in New York, Quantic Bank, that has the CDFI designation. And on their website, they advertise that they'll help non-citizens, foreign nationals buy property in the United States. This bank advertised on-

• 26:52Tucker Carlson?

  I'm trying not to use the F word. Why would we be helping foreign nationals buy in places where there's a housing crisis and the people who were born there can't find a house to live in? Like, what is going on?

• 27:03Speaker 02

  And then why, under COVID, would we supercharge the program with an additional transfer of funding? Why would we put that program on steroids?

• 27:14Speaker 02

  I don't know. I know, but I know that it was exploited.

• 27:17Tucker Carlson?

  Because you want to kill and replace the people who populate your country. That's why. Replace them with other people. Obviously.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  Yeah. In looking at the mortgage records, having to actually look at the, the physical records themselves, I cottoned on to this Quantic Bank pattern. And it's just a quirk of how the Registry of Deeds records work, that you can search by the lender. And so I searched Quantic Bank, just to see, do they loan to everybody? Or are they just suddenly a new domain? And I would say 95% of their loans were post 2019, and exclusively to people with Chinese names from New York and from Boston. And in Reviewing those records, I found that there were two individuals, two loan officers,

• 28:04Speaker 02

  who were originating almost all of those loans, 95% of those loans. And one was a Taiwanese national and the other was a Chinese national who graduated from a university in China that's affiliated with the PRC's Economic Warfare Program. And I actually got phone interviews with them. They're on our X page. You can go listen to them. I asked Ying Shan Wang, I said, "Did you know that these properties of all these loans that you're doing were becoming illegal marijuana growhouses?" She said, "What? No, no way. Well, I'll have to say something about this. We'll have to put a stop to this."

• 28:36Tucker Carlson?

  Did they?

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Not I, I, I don't know. I'm unaware. I am unaware. I know that there's, there's been a lot of letter written, letters written by politicians about the CDFI program, about why we're doing this. But the horse has left the barn at this point. I mean, they have the properties now and they have the means to generate as much cash as they want. This was a gold rush in Maine. That's what it was. It was a, when we legalized marijuana, there was a vote in 2016, the state, you know, came out and said, "Yes, we want adult use marijuana legalized." They formalized the program in 2020 and created an adult use program and a medicinal program, which are very distinct. And the medicinal program is vastly under-regulated compared

• 29:21Speaker 02

  to the adult use recreational program, which is counterintuitive. But the medicinal programs, like the Wild Wild West. But when we did this, we created just a, you know, a pig scramble for a $5 to $10 billion market for this drug. And the forces that we unleashed and the forces that were brought to bear on Maine to access that money, I knew we weren't prepared for. The local police weren't prepared for it. The sheriffs weren't prepared for it.

• 29:50Tucker Carlson?

  Because they were told this was going to solve. The crime problem associated with illegal drugs. If you legalize something, there's no more crime.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. In 2021, in Turner, Maine, at 57 Conan Road, there's a hangar right next to Twitchell Airport. It's a disused airport.

• 30:08Tucker Carlson?

  I know it.

• 30:09Speaker 02

  The police have been there many, many times. We got police records from early 2021 where they had been called there for what they were told was a hostage situation. And when the police show up, there's Chinese individuals who only speak Cantonese running out in the woods, total chaos. They can't really discern what exactly is going on, but it's a civil dispute and they decide it's not their problem. But in their notes, they say that they believe it's the property's under the control of a, quote, "Chinese gang from New York." That was in early 2021.

• 30:37Tucker Carlson?

  That, that was in their notes?

• 30:39Speaker 02

  In the, in the, in the incident report, they say that they believe-

• 30:42Tucker Carlson?

  Wasn't their job to do something about it?

• 30:45Speaker 02

  You'd think. There's never been any arrests made in connection with that facility, which functioned, according to the state police, as an illicit marijuana grow controlled by Chinese gangs from New York. The Office of Cannabis Policy, which regulates all of this, has suspended numerous licenses for Chinese marijuana growers from out of state who are affiliated with that property. Never been any arrests made at that property until December, last December, a guy named William Robinson, no relation, were shot in the head there by a drug dealer. And the guy who shot him was later, allegedly, was later arrested hiding at a marina in San Diego.

• 31:28Tucker Carlson?

  You say there are, you believe, around 300 Chinese gang-controlled drug operations in Maine.

• 31:35Speaker 02

  There are growhouses, there are flop houses, there are prostitution houses masquerading as massage parlors, there are some, I guess, financial hubs that you might say in Kittery and Old Orchard Beach and southern parts of the state. There are other facilities that seem distinctly militaristic in character.

• 32:00Tucker Carlson?

  What does that mean?

• 32:02Speaker 02

  Your hair stands up on end when you go by. I've knocked on the doors of a lot of marijuana facilities, but in Green Bush, in Green Bush, Maine.

• 32:10Tucker Carlson?

  Where's that?

• 32:10Speaker 02

  It's about 35 minutes north of Bangor, very rural, but there's an area where there are multiple adjacent properties, all controlled, all fenced off, motion sensors on the road so that they know if someone's coming while in advance. And blue collar workers I've talked with who have had to come out and do some service at those properties have talked about being surveilled by crews of, you know, eight young Chinese men, close crop haircuts, fatigues, and

• 32:42Tucker Carlson?

  Fatigues?

• 32:43Speaker 02

  What there was described to me as fatigues, standing around the perimeter of the property. And when they need to access the property to do some load testing, if they're, for example, an electrical worker, they're physically stopped and prevented from accessing the property, and they're escorted off the property and two crisp $100 bills tucked into their back pocket, and they say, coffee money, coffee money, coffee money, and they push them off the property.

• 33:10Tucker Carlson?

  Things are completely out of control in Maine, obviously.

• 33:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:13Tucker Carlson?

  Completely out of control.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:16Tucker Carlson?

  I should just say for the record, it's prettiest state out of 50, nicest people, lowest crime rate for my whole life, 56, so a long time. And you're describing like something's really, really dark. How many of those facilities have been shut down by state or local law enforcement?

• 33:38Speaker 02

  Depends on what you mean by shut down. You can execute a search warrant on one of these facilities. You can go in, you can arrest some people, you can destroy their plants. But the very next day, it can get spun up, and all they have to say is that they're getting a license, they're in the process of getting a license to operate legally, and then law enforcement can't touch them. I saw this exact same, this exact thing happened in Franklin County. There was a raid at a location in New Sharon, and I showed up the following day because I wanted to get, I wanted to document it. And there was a big white truck from Grow Generation, which is a marijuana growing supply company, a fairly big one in Maine, backed up, and there was a crew of workers offloading material. So they'd

• 34:21Speaker 02

  been raided the day before by the sheriffs, and the following day, they're spinning it right back up. And I emailed the sheriff and said, hey, just so you know, like, These guys are right back at it. I'm watching them. You can, you can come over here. And he said, they, they say they're getting a license now, so I can't touch them. And what we learned in January.

• 34:40Tucker Carlson?

  They, so if I get pulled over without a driver's license and I say, I'm gonna get a driver's license, they let me go? I don't think so.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  No, no.

• 34:48Tucker Carlson?

  They take my car, actually. So how is that, I mean, with respect, with actually with no respect at all to the sheriff you're referring to, how is that, like, how is that?

• 34:59Speaker 02

  So it's, it's kind of genius, the way they've set up the scheme in that the property owner is never the one who is there growing the marijuana, or picking up the marijuana, or trafficking the marijuana. And so they're never held culpable for the activity happening at their property, because they can always have plausible deniability. Oh, I was renting to my cousin. I was renting to a stranger. You know, I just, I found this guy on WeChat and rented the property to him. I had no idea this was going on. I'm so upset that this is happening. Thank you, law enforcement, for, for doing this for us. So in January, the director of the Office of Cannabis Policy, handpicked by Governor Janet Mills, a guy named John Hodeck, admitted.

• 35:39Tucker Carlson?

  What's his name?

• 35:40Speaker 02

  Uh, John Hodeck.

• 35:42Tucker Carlson?

  John Hodeck.

• 35:43Speaker 02

  He, he came from Colorado. He has a long career.

• 35:47Tucker Carlson?

  Been a huge success there, the cannabis legalization.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  He's been involved in cannabis policy.

• 35:52Tucker Carlson?

  Brookings. Totally destroyed Denver.

• 35:54Speaker 02

  He, he came from the Brookings Institute.

• 35:57Tucker Carlson?

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• 37:04Speaker 00

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• 37:34Speaker 05

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• 37:48Speaker 02

  How do you spell his last name? Hudak, H-U-D-A-K. John Hudak, okay. And he is in front of the Veterans and Legal Affairs Committee, testifying for the first time this year of this session. And he admits that he's been giving licenses, medicinal marijuana licenses, to individuals that he suspects have ties to Chinese organized crime. Or he's giving licenses to people who provide addresses for their grows at properties that have been previously raided for their connections to Chinese organized crime. And his hands are tied, there's nothing that he can do about it. He somehow finds a way- How about say no? That would be racist. The state has no immune system, that's it, you're exactly right.

• 38:33Speaker 02

  There's no immune system, we have no defense. And if you look at- Like, you know, where I'm from Dexter, you had Dexter, Ripley, Corinna, Cambridge, all these towns, three different counties represented, but you've got one criminal group that's operating in three different counties. So three different sheriffs have jurisdiction and multiple different local police departments. And some of these towns don't even have police departments, but they're not, as a matter of course, sharing intelligence. So in order to take down a criminal operation that's straddling three counties, you need to get cooperation amongst these three sheriffs who don't like just always cooperate. So it requires a Herculean effort amongst law enforcement to coordinate one of these crackdowns or one of these raids that are going to be effective at actually arresting people,

• 39:18Speaker 02

  detaining people who could be, you know, witnesses who could explain more about what's ultimately happening. But it, and by and large, there's no effective enforcement. And the main state police have been AWOL. Totally, totally AWOL. The one, the one police force-

• 39:35Tucker Carlson?

  How can, okay, so just to be, I just want to make sure I understand this. You were tipped off this story by a Daily Caller News Foundation reporter who had a state-generated list-

• 39:46Speaker 02

  CBP. This was generated by Customs and Border Protection.

• 39:48Tucker Carlson?

  I'm so sorry. Okay, so it was the feds. But it was, I mean, a government agency identified these places. So it's not like you're just guessing.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:00Tucker Carlson?

  And the main state police, that was a couple of years ago. They've done nothing?

• 40:05Speaker 02

  They've been involved in three raids and two of them were in Belgrade, about a mile from the state police headquarters. And the reason they were, they raided those is because six months before we started drawing attention to them, one of their troopers had been inside, seen 500 or 600 marijuana plants, talked to the Chinese individual who voluntarily let the trooper in. So all this is admissible. Talked to the Department of Agriculture, talked to the Office of Cannabis Policy, confirmed that it was an illegal grow and didn't do anything to it for six months and allowed it to continue to operate. So it's my belief that those two operations in Belgrade were CYA. They didn't want it later to look like a cover up on their part.

• 40:47Tucker Carlson?

  So this is just corruption? I mean, you're describing corruption. I mean, what else, what else explains it? The governor of this state-

• 40:55Speaker 02

  Has yet to utter a single word about a vast criminal conspiracy operating in her state.

• 41:01Tucker Carlson?

  As a result of this conspiracy.

• 41:02Speaker 02

  We don't even know how many people have been killed. In Freedom, Maine, there was a house, 555 Belfast Road, been busted by the sheriff out there for functioning as an illegal marijuana grow. Subsequently turned into a flop house and there was a carbon monoxide poisoning incident. There were, we think, four or five Chinese migrants living there, poisoned by carbon monoxide, hospitalized, two of them died. Somehow, the exhaust of the heater just piped back in through the window. It was an accident officially, on paper, is what law enforcement have determined. Somehow the propane heater, the breeze must have caught it and piped it back in through the window.

• 41:47Speaker 02

  And there was no, there was no outpouring of progressive goodwill or mourning for these poor Chinese migrants who died at a flop house in Freedom, Maine. But, I mean, it was an attempted mass murder, in my opinion. There's, there's no way the, the exhaust just accidentally pipes back into the house. No, this was an attempted hit on Chinese migrant workers at a flop house. This was triad on triad violence, which we've seen, we've documented. There've been burglaries. There was the shooting I just talked about at the marijuana grow in Turner. And that individual, after he shot, who was his friend in the head, turned to one of the witnesses who I've talked with

• 42:27Speaker 02

  and said that he was a hired hitman for the Triad and that there were 40 more just like him. Maybe he watched too many video games and, or too many movies or whatever and he was lying or maybe he was telling the truth, I don't know.

• 42:43Tucker Carlson?

  So there's more than one Chinese criminal organization?

• 42:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, or multiple families for sure. Multiple regions, I think, is, is safe to say, yeah.

• 42:53Tucker Carlson?

  And the governor's not said one word about this?

• 42:55Speaker 02

  No.

• 42:56Tucker Carlson?

  Who is the governor?

• 42:57Speaker 02

  Janet Mills. She was Attorney General under Governor Paul Page. She was a district attorney before that. She's been a government employee for basically her entire life. Came out of Farmington, dropped out of Colby. She claims on her own free will and then graduated from the University of Massachusetts in 1970, although she's not listed in the program for that graduation ceremony. It's the weirdest thing. But she's been governor now for about six, seven years.

• 43:29Tucker Carlson?

  So it, it makes you wonder like, you know, what is her position on illegal drugs? Which are destroying the state, I think any, any fair person would say that.

• 43:40Speaker 02

  The state under Governor Mills has embraced restorative justice and harm reduction. And the idea that if you stop enforcing laws against drugs and you pass out needles and Narcan, that that is going to be good for society. I think the, the plain objective evidence is that that's been a complete failure. But on the, on the, I guess the Chinese criminal conspiracy in the state, we've approached her at events and tried to ask her about it and she won't answer questions directly.

• 44:14Tucker Carlson?

  Why?

• 44:17Speaker 02

  So that is a, that's the million dollar question.

• 44:20Tucker Carlson?

  So do you have any evidence that suggests a motive for ignoring something this destructive?

• 44:27Speaker 02

  Well, part of it could just be ego. It could just be that it's the, you know, it's the main wire and it's, you know, we are the conservative outlet in the state. And maybe if she acknowledges the problem of Chinese criminal organizations in this state, it's in some way validating the work that we've done to expose the problem. And if you accept that the work that we've done on Chinese criminal organizations in the state is legitimate valuable journalism, then you have to ask, well, what about the other investigative projects that we've worked on, which I also think are, are valuable journalism for the state. So maybe it's just a simple.

• 45:01Tucker Carlson?

  The only journalism in the state. Let me just correct you, the only journalism in the state.

• 45:05Speaker 02

  With all due respect to your friend, Steve Collins.

• 45:09Tucker Carlson?

  There's really, there's no journalism in Maine at all. 1.3 million people, largest state in New England, bigger than the other five New England states combined. I mean, it's a, it's a real place. No journalism.

• 45:19Speaker 02

  A lot of stenography.

• 45:21Tucker Carlson?

  The what you're doing, yeah, and propaganda.

• 45:24Tucker Carlson?

  But so I'm just, but I'm interested, like, that's a huge footprint across a huge state. So a lot of people know this is going on and she hasn't said word one, much less done anything to stop it. It does feel like someone's getting paid.

• 45:41Speaker 02

  I am increasingly of the belief that there's a lot of bribes being paid in this state. Small, small stuff to code enforcement officers, police departments. It's, it's really the only way that explains the lack of action. And we were, we did discover in reviewing property records, there was a, there was a raid. This was in 2024 in February that kind of targeted the area around my hometown. The town that my mom grew up in, I mean, from this marijuana house that was raided in Corinna, you can see the church that my brother was married in and that my grandmother used to go to. It's a big, beautiful Maine house that will probably have to be destroyed now because of the poisons and the mold and everything that afflicted the house as a result of it becoming a marijuana grow.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  But there was this coordinated raid with the sheriffs, very effective law enforcement action. And in the days after that, there was a real estate transfer done for a property in Corinna, Maine, in the same town, for a 12 acre property, a tear down, really like a hunting camp. And it was a transfer of a property from a Chinese woman living in Massachusetts to another Chinese person living in Guangdong province, China. So it struck me as unusual.

• 46:55Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, did it?

• 46:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 46:56Tucker Carlson?

  A little weird?

• 46:57Speaker 02

  It was a little weird. And then on the real estate transfer document, it said that this was a gift to mother. And my mom was from Corinna, and so I thought to myself, if I told my mom that for Mother's Day I was giving her 12 acres in a tear down in Corinna, Maine, she would probably slap me. So again, this is an unusual gift to your mother. But what really struck me as unusual about it was the fact that the attorney who processed the real estate transfer was Paul Mills of Farmington, Maine, who is the older brother of Governor Janet Mills.

• 47:28Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 47:30Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, the governor's brother is involved in this?

• 47:32Speaker 02

  The governor's brother has been involved in notarizing deeds for individuals connected to Chinese organized crime and was the real estate transfer attorney specifically for this property, which he helped transfer as a gift to the ownership of a Chinese national who owns multiple marijuana grows in the state of Maine. And it was done days after a law enforcement action in that area.

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• 49:21Speaker 00

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• 49:51Speaker 05

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• 50:04Tucker Carlson?

  Sucker.

• 50:05Speaker 02

  I don't know what the fee on a real estate transfer document is. But I'll tell you, I called Paul Mills. And told him that I was from Massachusetts. I was looking to do a gift transfer in Corinna. And I was wondering if you'd help process this real estate transfer for me. And he told me that he didn't do work in that area.

• 50:27Tucker Carlson?

  But you had evidence he'd just done work in that area?

• 50:30Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 50:31Tucker Carlson?

  So if you had said, I'm calling from Guangdong province. And I'd like to open another illegal drug operation in the state. You think that would have been different?

• 50:41Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know who called him. Or I don't know if he was a maybe a useful idiot. Or maybe it was an element of Chinese culture where they think that they need to pay some kind of a tribute to the elected official in charge, to their family members in order to get some kind of protection.

• 50:56Tucker Carlson?

  When have they done that before?

• 50:59Speaker 02

  But I actually, I called, I called Paul Mills as myself. And gave, we had a 10 minute interview about this property. And he said their friend asked him to do it. And couldn't remember who.

• 51:12Tucker Carlson?

  Couldn't remember who?

• 51:13Speaker 02

  Couldn't remember who the friend was who asked him to do it. But he remembered a lot of details about it.

• 51:18Tucker Carlson?

  He's the governor's brother?

• 51:18Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:19Tucker Carlson?

  The sitting governor?

• 51:20Speaker 02

  Yes. And I printed off copies of the real estate transfer record with his name on it, with the address in Guangdong province, China, where this new owner of 12 acres in a tear down in Corinna, Maine. And I have the code enforcement officer on the record saying this is an illegal marijuana grow. And we, we would not authorize it because Corinna opted out. We, we went to the state house and we passed out, I printed out 50 copies of this real estate transfer record. I passed them out to politicians, passed them out to other reporters. I sat in the governor's lobby with a camera focused right on the door, just waiting for an interview. And they actually like canceled one of her meetings with school board members and snuck her out the side door so that she wouldn't have to answer questions.

• 52:05Speaker 02

  And even though I scattered, I blanketed that place. So I was like, I was like South Korea flying over North Korea, dropping flyers, trying to get people to pay attention to this stuff. And no other outlet in the state of Maine covered it.

• 52:16Tucker Carlson?

  Nobody else covered it but you?

• 52:18Speaker 02

  No.

• 52:21Tucker Carlson?

  I have so many que-- okay, I just want to pause and ask the obvious question. So that suggests such a deep level of coordination and terrifying corruption. I mean, are you worried for your safety?

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's difficult to, it's difficult to know how worried you should be in a situation like that. You know, what, what exactly is the?

• 52:46Tucker Carlson?

  If they're allowing Chinese drug cartels to control huge swaths of rural Maine and people are dying, a governor herself is saying not one thing, we're trying to stop it. And the entire rest of the state's media is ignoring it. That sounds like a, like a level of corruption that's like, would have been unimaginable in this country five years ago even.

• 53:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:06Tucker Carlson?

  So, and if you're the one guy saying something about it, which you are, I don't know. I mean, where does that leave you?

• 53:15Speaker 02

  Before I'd even reported anything on this, I had a Excel spreadsheet, working on a database, you know, track, keeping track of records of sites we'd flagged from financial records, tax records, electrical records, sites we'd visited and confirmed, sites where we talked with the neighbors. And at that point, I'd identified maybe 150 or 175 of these sites and actually sent it to the Bangor Daily News. I hadn't reported anything about it, but I was, I was scared. And I thought that if we all reported it at the same time, it would kind of diffuse the attention. And I was like, willing to give up the, I guess, whatever, the prestige of being the one who gets the scoop

• 53:57Speaker 02

  to have us all come forward and report on this problem. And they've never used it. They've never reported on it. They've never, they've never touched it. I don't know. I mean, it's just maybe their pride of not relying on, you know, I'm not a journalism school graduate. So maybe they don't want to use it or some dirty trick by the conservative media that I'm trying to pull on them, but they haven't used it. And I, at the same time.

• 54:19Tucker Carlson?

  Because it reflects poorly on the Democratic administration that runs the state. Maybe that's a

• 54:24Speaker 02

  That's a

• 54:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 54:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, that's a, sometimes the simplest explanation is the, is the correct one. It's also could just be laziness, a lack of curiosity. And this is a story that can't be told merely sitting or discovered merely sitting behind your computer. You know, you have to actually be, be going out and talking to people and knocking on doors and taking some risks. But it was around the same time, though, that after I'd been out like the entire day knocking on fields a lot in Madison and that area and beautiful town. Used to be.

• 55:01Speaker 02

  And I'd realized, I was like, man, this is, this is a real vast conspiracy. And it just kind of dawned on me how insane this entire thing was that this was being allowed to happen in Maine. And I was like, the law enforcement has to be on this. And I don't want to be the guy who comes along and reports on this and like dicks up this big investigation that they're about to close the loop on. So I drove to the Maine State Police Headquarters and I walked in with my laptop and I told the receptionist, I have evidence of a vast criminal conspiracy currently operating in the state of Maine. And I would just like to turn over some information to somebody, to anybody, because I don't want to interfere with some active criminal investigation.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  And I waited in the lobby for 15 minutes and then some woman came out and said, there's nobody here who can talk to you.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  And I contacted the

• 55:54Tucker Carlson?

  Where was this?

• 55:56Speaker 02

  This is right in Augusta, the Department of Public Safety building.

• 56:00Tucker Carlson?

  Augusta's the capital of the state?

• 56:01Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then I contacted the

• 56:04Tucker Carlson?

  There's nobody here who can talk to you? This is in the Public Safety Building in the state Capitol and you say, I have evidence of a vast criminal conspiracy? And you're a sober, sane person? Probably the single most famous journalist in the state of Maine at this point. In fact, you are. And no one can talk to you?

• 56:24Speaker 02

  Granted, it was 4:25.

• 56:25Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah, right. Okay.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  On a, it might have been a Friday, so they'd probably clocked out by that time. But I contacted the, the Director of Communications for the State Police and reiterated what I'd said. And I contacted some other members of the State Police that I knew through family connections, some fairly high ranking, who used to be very big fans of mine when they heard me on conservative talk radio, but don't want to talk to me anymore, and reiterated what I'd said. And, you know, I was, I was, the Communications Director told me somebody would call me on Monday. And that was, must be 120 Mondays ago at this point. So they have no interest, no interest in talking to me or hearing from me.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  The troopers I've talked with are, they're mystified by the decisions that their leadership are making as well.

• 57:15Tucker Carlson?

  Who's making those decisions?

• 57:17Speaker 02

  Well, the, Michael Soschuck, former Police Chief of Portland, who everybody in Portland was glad to see him leave when he got picked to be the head of the Department of Public Safety. So he runs the Maine State Police and the Maine DEA.

• 57:33Tucker Carlson?

  Can you say his name again?

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Michael Soschuck.

• 57:34Tucker Carlson?

  Michael Soschuck.

• 57:35Speaker 02

  Yep. And he runs the Maine Drug Enforcement Agency and the Maine State Police. And he's a cabinet nominee of Governor Janet Mills. He also has yet to utter a single word about this criminal conspiracy.

• 57:53Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, just hearing this story, which is one of the most shocking stories I've ever heard in a lifetime of hearing shocking stories, it, it makes the hair on your arms stand up because it feels like there's this great evil, there's this great destruction of human life, there's this great crime taking place in public, everyone can see it. Chinese drug cartels control a lot of the state of Maine, and it feels like everybody's in on it. And you're the only person saying anything about it. I mean, do you have trouble sleeping?

• 58:23Speaker 02

  Sometimes. Yeah. I mean, I, you know, it's been, it's been a battle, for sure.

• 58:31Tucker Carlson?

  Why are you doing this?

• 58:39Speaker 02

  I feel like I owe it to my state.

• 58:50Speaker 02

  You know, I feel like I had such a great childhood, a wonderful childhood as a latchkey kid. And I loved Maine and I loved being able to grow up and ride my bike anywhere and be safe. And I feel like the people, my people are being taken advantage of by powerful forces that they're unequipped to repel. We don't have an immune system for this. And the only thing that I can do to fight back is to put a spotlight on it and to expose it. It's like my riding around with my grandfather in a pickup truck in Ripley, Maine, and he

• 59:32Speaker 02

  sees some garbage on the side of the road and we stop and I ask him, what are we stopping for? He's like, this garbage, we gotta pick it up. It's not our garbage. We didn't leave it there. It's like, yeah, but I got trash bags and we got time and it's our town. This is our, it's our community. You know, it's my version of that. We're taking out the trash. We're picking up our backyard. That's what needs to be done. There's no one else who's doing it. I love this state. I don't, I don't, I don't want it to become, you know, just like a festering gang bang for third world criminals.

• 1:00:06Tucker Carlson?

  And so it's becoming very fast, faster than I've ever seen anything change. Okay, so now to the question of the watchdogs, the constitutionally protected watchdog class we call the media in Maine. There are three big papers, one in Bangor, one in Lewiston, one in Vegas, in Portland, Press Herald, Daily News, Sun Journal. And they, you know, they've been around a long time. They had big staffs at one point. Like where are they? Why no coverage? I can't, it's blowing my mind.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  I mean, they they'll cover something if there's a press release, you know, if if if there's a raid that a sheriff does. I mean, Sheriff Dale Lancaster in Somerset County is probably the best sheriff in the state of Maine, probably the best law enforcement official in the state of Maine. Old school, no excuses, no BS, kicking doors in. You know, he's he's been responsible for the vast majority of the successful search warrants that have been executed and a lot of the arrests. He's been very successful and he'll put out a press release and there'll be a cut, there'll be some coverage, but they, you know, they'll be very careful not to note any of the patterns. You know, they're

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  they're very diligent about not recognizing the patterns.

• 1:01:28Tucker Carlson?

  You've already done the reporting. Like, you've put online, and unfortunately, since it's Maine and it's considered far away and remote and people don't pay attention, it hasn't gotten the coverage it deserves, in my opinion, but you've put the the facts out there. Like, they could follow up on that at any moment, and they decided not to. So, you know, reprinting press releases is not journalism, of course. It's it's a transcription service. Who owns the media in Maine? Like, who's responsible for this? Deliberately ignoring a crisis?

• 1:01:59Speaker 02

  So, the the largest newspaper company currently is owned by the Maine Trust for Local News, which is a subsidiary of the National Trust for Local News, which is a nonprofit funded by George Soros.

• 1:02:15Tucker Carlson?

  So, George Soros controls the media in Maine?

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  He funds it. He specifically funded the transaction to acquire these papers from Reed Bower, along with Hans-Jörg Weis, who's a Swiss national who made his fortune doing illegal bone cement experiments on humans, who's been in trouble in the past for illegally donating as a foreign national to US political candidates, so has a knack for trying to influence American politics as a foreign national.

• 1:02:43Tucker Carlson?

  Why would George Soros want to control the media in Maine?

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, so Maine's going back to the 1980s. Maine's been a cheap date for people looking to trial political ideas. Beginning with the shutdown of Maine Yankee, our nuclear power plant. There's really just three media markets. Like you said, just a handful of newspapers. And if you want to get a ballot initiative done or something like that, it doesn't take a lot of money. So you can come to Maine and you can close a nuclear plant. You can get gay marriage referendum passed. You can get marijuana legalized as a referendum for a small amount of money. And then you can go to another state and say, well, we've already done it in Maine. We can do it in this state. And so we become kind of a Petri dish for political experimentation that particularly

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  the progressive left has taken advantage of in a very successful way.

• 1:03:34Tucker Carlson?

  Maine was always the whitest state in the United States, has long been, and was a target for that reason, too. And they said that out loud. Maine's too white. And so there is a sense in which it was targeted because of its demographics. I mean, they've said that, I'm not guessing at all.

• 1:03:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, going back 30 years. I mean, under Governor John Baldacci, Lewiston famously became a sanctuary city for Somalis.

• 1:04:00Tucker Carlson?

  Can you describe Lewiston? What does Lewiston mean?

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  The Atlantic, I think, described it as Little Mogadishu.

• 1:04:10Tucker Carlson?

  Lewiston, it's on the, it was a mill town?

• 1:04:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, it used to be, it was a Franco-American town defined by the immigration of French Canadians coming down to work in factories. So it was an urban Franco town.

• 1:04:25Tucker Carlson?

  Textiles and paper.

• 1:04:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:28Tucker Carlson?

  Biggest mills in New England there, right on the Andes Coggin River.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Working class people. And then adjacent town Auburn, frequently referred to as LA, Lewiston Auburn. It's, you know, I would say it's the second biggest metropolitan area in the state. But now, I would say it's a no-go zone. It's not, it's not something that people feel safe. You know, the people who supported turning Lewiston into a sanctuary city for Somalis have now spent as much money as they can to get as far away from Lewiston as they can.

• 1:04:58Tucker Carlson?

  Almost like two million.

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  I have to drive through it frequently for work.

• 1:05:04Tucker Carlson?

  How's it look?

• 1:05:05Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah, third world. I mean, it's, it's not, uh, it's not doing great. And, and there are people who will be, um, you know, partisans for Lewiston, that it's on the verge of a comeback and you get in trouble if you criticize Lewiston, but, uh, we cover police reports, we cover crime reports, we talk to Lewiston police officers. We know what's happening in Lewiston. There are 16 and 17 year olds engaging in gunfights on the streets. And, uh, when the police show up to talk to, uh, people, nobody will talk. People are getting shot and nobody will talk. People who get shot won't talk about who shot them. Um, so the police are frustrated and they're all just, you know, looking at the clock and wondering when they can start collecting their pension. Uh, but it's just,

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  it's just a symptom of the, uh, law enforcement is just retreating across the board. Um, whether it's the crime that's happening, the drug crime that was happening in Portland, when they're basically allowing open, uh, opioid use and not arresting people, including people who are selling narcotics. Um, whether it's the gun crime in Lewiston or the Chinese organized crime, all of this, there's just law enforcement have, um, they've pulled back.

• 1:06:17Tucker Carlson?

  What's so scary to me is that, um, Maine is now considered a blue state. A lot of the state is not blue at all, is not in favor of this. It's the southern parts of the states, coastal parts of the states, the first district, uh, that has been, you know, completely changed demographically. Um, and, and now is, you know, totally in the hands of the Democratic Party. But what's interesting is the Republican candidates in Maine, um, the ones who are lining up to run for governor, for example, in this coming election, none of them, from what I can tell, have even mentioned demographic change, crime and drugs. Those are not issues that Republicans want to talk about, even though they are the issues. They're the only

• 1:07:02Tucker Carlson?

  issues.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  I think drugs, uh, uh, that I've seen, a lot of them have talked about drugs, but there's a lot of focus on the, the cultural issues, you know, trans, uh, uh, athletes, you know, the governor is very focused on making sure that, uh, boys can participate in girls' sports and dominate girls' sports. But again, this isn't an issue-

• 1:07:21Tucker Carlson?

  I'm against that? Okay, obviously. I think it's, you know, it's a humiliation ritual, like so many of these things. However- Is that what destroyed Lewiston?

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  No, that's exactly, that's not, that's not the big issue.

• 1:07:32Tucker Carlson?

  Right. So how many Republicans are willing to say like, hey, how about no more Somalis in our state? Like, no one voted for that. Why, what are you doing? Why are you doing that? By the way, there are no jobs here. So like, why are you bringing poor people into a place with no jobs?

• 1:07:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's, that is a fringe radical opinion that there is, again, there is a tremendous fear of being socially ostracized. I think what happened, these people, I mean, I think you kind of popularized the term gay race communists.

• 1:08:00Tucker Carlson?

  I stole it from someone else, but I do.

• 1:08:02Speaker 02

  Well, okay, well, I love it too. I think that the gay race communists increased the social costs of participating in the public sphere during COVID, helped by COVID, to such a significant degree that good conservative people who might not be explicitly political, but who just are conservative inclined, they have a conservative disposition, withdrew from politics. Because if you went to a school board, you went to a town council meeting and you spoke out, spoke your mind about what you wanted to see happen in your community. It wasn't just that you disagreed with somebody, it was that you were a bad person. And if you owned a business, well, there's going to be a Facebook mob that was going to go give you one star reviews.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  And you were a bad person, we're going to drive you into the ground if you don't want, you know, porn books with cartoon, you know, blowjobs in them in your kindergarten classroom. If you don't want that, you're a bad person. And so conservatives just said, you know what? Screw it. This is, it's not worth my time. The cost is too high. I'm just going to go take care of my family, my church, I'm going to go fishing, I'm going to hang out with my, my Rotary Club. We ceded the public square to the gay race communists and they took over with zeal.

• 1:09:09Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's a really crisp and accurate analysis, but there's also the problem of how the state of Maine's government acted, right? So I have a friend, lifelong friend here, who got into an argument with the state about COVID regulations at a restaurant.

• 1:09:29Tucker Carlson?

  And he came on my show on Fox and mentioned Janet Mills. And she and the other women who run the state, I think the state is run entirely by women, pretty much.

• 1:09:39Speaker 02

  It's a matriarchy.

• 1:09:40Tucker Carlson?

  Almost every single official in the state is a left wing woman, angry left wing white woman, some angry left wing Somali woman.

• 1:09:47Speaker 02

  And gay white men from Portland.

• 1:09:49Tucker Carlson?

  And gay white, same thing.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  The rainbow bullies.

• 1:09:51Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. They descended on him and drove him out of the state. They said inspectors armed to shut down his business for criticizing her. And he's now operating a business in another state. He's been here his whole life, multi generational. So they're like, people are afraid of the state government under Janet Mills.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:11Tucker Carlson?

  Do you think that?

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  It's the biggest problem in our state. I mean, there's, there is a.

• 1:10:16Tucker Carlson?

  But it's a, it seems like a, she seems, Janet Mills seems like a criminal. The state seems to be run like a criminal enterprise.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  That's my view. Every main wire reporter gets the spiel, forget what you learned in civics class. We're reporting on a criminal organization. They steal from people and then they hand out money to their friends and to a dependent class in order to buy votes. That's how you approach reporting on state government in Maine, if you're a reporter from the main wire.

• 1:10:43Tucker Carlson?

  How many reporters do you have working for you?

• 1:10:45Speaker 02

  We have eight, we have nine full time employees, including myself at this point.

• 1:10:50Tucker Carlson?

  So I'm not overstating it because probably unlike a lot of people watching this, I actually follow news from the state. I'm interested and horrified. You really are the only organization covering, not, so you came from talk radio where you're like giving opinions. Now you're, you're really just a pretty straight news reporter. Like here are the facts that we found, we got in the truck, we drove around, here's what we saw.

• 1:11:12Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, I'm an opinionated guy.

• 1:11:14Tucker Carlson?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:11:15Speaker 02

  But I try to, yeah, I try to, I try to do the investigative journalism, but I also just try to be honest about my opinions about it.

• 1:11:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:22Speaker 02

  You know, I try to, I try to be, you know, yes, I'm, yes, I'm conservative. Yes, I think it's a, I think it's a bad thing that Chinese criminal organizations have taken over my state. Yes, I think that's a bad thing, but I'm also going to be able to report facts objectively.

• 1:11:34Tucker Carlson?

  So how hard is it to hire reporters? Where do you get your reporters? You know, could you be bigger? I mean, why wouldn't you have 100 reporters working for you? Could you do that?

• 1:11:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, I if if we had the the resources and could find the people, I I could keep a team of 15, 20 reporters busy around the clock, full time and pursuing stories, a list of investigative stories that we have to work on that are, you know, not maybe not the same size and scope as Triadweed is long. But there's so much organized crime and it's so overlapped with government. Virtually every government program is being taken advantage of. The government itself is handing out no bid contracts in a way that's,

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  you know, hard to separate from organized crime. Yeah, I mean, it's it's been very difficult to find people to move to Maine. I had really a heartbreaking moment hiring my most recent producer to do our own podcast and Substack project. And I'm talking with him, he grew up in Bangor, did everything right, went to high school, stayed out of trouble, went to Hussin, got a degree in film production and is, you know, getting ready to propose to his girlfriend. They've already proposed, so I'm not, you know, spilling the beans here. And I said, so what's keeping you in Maine? And he said, we just haven't been able to save up enough money to get out.

• 1:13:09Speaker 02

  And that was like a fucking dagger in my heart.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  Imagine that, just haven't been able to save up enough money to escape Maine. And it's like, where do you escape to even? I guess Texas, Florida, Tennessee, some red states, some free states, maybe you can get to. But hearing that from him was like. Man, you know, so I mean, that's, I think that's part of, you know, I would like Maine to be a place where people want to live. Um, but right now it's not. It's very hard to hire people who want to come here. Uh, it's like a deployment to a war zone. Uh, you know, one of my reporters lives in Portland and I gave him a gun when I hired him and he said he was going to be living in Portland. All legally, all legally transferred, by the way.

• 1:13:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, whatever. Yeah. You know, I mean, when your government is committing crimes like this, it's, it's hard to take seriously their laws, which is part of the problem. Everything degrades. It's like, really? You're totally corrupt. You're allowing Chinese drug cartels to control my state and you're worried about whether I have the right license to carry a firearm? Up yours.

• 1:14:15Speaker 02

  But that's it. That, that phenomenon, by the way, has trickled down into all of the legal marijuana businesses who invested in some cases their life savings to build a business, to legally do things the right way. Now they're seeing that the laws are being enforced, um, only against white people. Um, the marijuana laws are only being enforced against white people. So increasingly you're seeing more people adopt the same tactics that the Chinese mafia is, shipping out of state, um, blowing, you know, growing more than their licenses allow, uh, you know, cutting corners. There's a pretty famous case, a guy named Lucas Saroyes in Farmington,

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  Maine, who was, uh, he set up a business called The Shoe Factory, which was in an old shoe factory building where he was built these rooms and people who wanted to grow marijuana could rent from him and they would grow their marijuana at this property. And, uh, he got reported to the Office of Cannabis Policy and the Office of Cannabis Policy immediately referred him to the Drug Enforcement, uh, Agency, the Federal Drug Enforcement Agency. And the DOJ got on top of him and they wiretapped his phones, recorded his conversations with his father, um, and are still to this day pursuing a case to try to send him to prison for doing, uh, a smaller scale version of what they knew.

• 1:15:39Speaker 02

  They knew, and I can prove they knew because there's the there's public documents and documents I've obtained through Freedom of Access Act requests, what they knew the Chinese organizations were doing at the same time, including at that facility in Turner where William Robinson was shot in the head in December. So they are, if you're if you've got a French Canadian last name, they're going to stick the DOJ after you. They're going to try to lock you in a cage. But if your last name is Wu or Huang or Chen, you don't get the laws applied to you. You get arrested, you get $500 bail, maybe, maybe $10,000 or $20,000 if it's Somerset County. And then who knows if you show up at your trial or if you're

• 1:16:21Tucker Carlson?

  You're making me really radical. Has to the governor's brother who's profiting, who has provably profited from this, is anybody in Maine state media mentioning this? Is anyone following up on this?

• 1:16:39Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:16:39Tucker Carlson?

  The governor's never responded to this. It's just like you report this and then it just disappears.

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  National media reported on it. Yeah, I mean, plenty. I mean, they've got plenty of attention in the national media. You know, I've done a segment with CBS to their credit. Peter Schweitzer, who's a great author, journalist, who's been spent a lot of time working on the China topic and the drug topic, you know, helped me get in touch with CBS and they came up and did a segment on it. NBC later ripped off that segment and basically plagiarized all of my journalism, but that's fine. It's got national attention, but not the Paul Mills part of it. And the local newspaper reporters don't seem to be interested in

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  it. It's weird. I was I was I've been accused of xenophobia for reporting on this, you know. Huge criminal organization that took over my state and that's ruining all of these buildings.

• 1:17:36Tucker Carlson?

  Who accused you of that?

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  Oh, just idiots online progressives, you know, elected elected officials, you know, I actually, the only time I've ever testified on a bill was when there was a lawmaker who introduced a bill that would have given Maine a little Rico statute to help crack down on organized crime operations like this. And I figured I'd testify because I've seen more of these than anybody in the state. At this point, you know, I could be a self anointed expert witness in Chinese marijuana. You know, I've got a degree in Chinese marijuana. And so I testified neither for or against this bill and just was there to answer questions about how this operates. And the, as we included the clip in our documentary that they didn't want to hear, they shut down my testimony and said, can we hear from, you know, an

• 1:18:22Speaker 02

  actual expert about this? And they pushed me out and they voted down the bill, voted against the only piece of legislation that would have empowered law enforcement to do anything about this. So they've, they've reacted very negatively and hostilely to my attempts to just show them what's happening in the state, you know, with, I think we've gone above and beyond in terms of the evidence that we've provided, the documentation that we've provided, because we know that not being in established, being independent media, being conservative media, there's going to be a higher standard of proof that we have to meet. And I think that we've met it and gone way beyond it over and over and over

• 1:19:05Speaker 02

  and over and over again. And still they will not acknowledge it. And specifically when it comes to Paul Mills, who his clients are involved in more marijuana grows than the one we've reported on, there's a building in Sangerville, Maine, right now. It's the biggest building in Sangerville. It started construction in August of last year and it's just now finished and it's coming online and it's going to be a big, big productive marijuana grow owned by the client that Paul Mills transferred the property.

• 1:19:37Tucker Carlson?

  The Chinese client.

• 1:19:38Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:19:40Tucker Carlson?

  So the point of Maine is its majestic nature. The governor, Janet Mills, who really can't overstage.

• 1:19:50Tucker Carlson?

  Really, it's shocking the more you know about Janet Mills, but they have bulldozed, chainsawed, flattened, clear-cut forests in Maine for solar panels because that's like environmentally positive or something. I mean, it's like deranged.

• 1:20:04Speaker 02

  It's part of the criminal organization.

• 1:20:07Tucker Carlson?

  It is, and they hate nature. They hate nature amazingly. What's the environmental impact of these grows?

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  Every single house that has had one of these Chinese marijuana grows, the best use for it is potentially practiced for the fire department. They all need to be torn down. They're super sites, super fund sites. We don't even know the extent of the damage that's been done as a result of the Chinese pesticides and fungicides that have been imported from China illegally into California and then shipped to Maine and used at these sites as fumigants.

• 1:20:43Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:20:44Speaker 02

  Yes. So California has a really bad problem with this. In the Siskiyou National Forest, they have what they call hoop houses, massive greenhouses, and they are operated by Chinese criminal organizations there, often in concert with the Central American cartels. And they've been investigating these from an environmental perspective because they've weakened their drug laws so much that no one cares about illegal marijuana, but they do care about water diversion to supply the cannabis, and they care about the contamination of these pristine wildlife environments with the chemical runoff. So they have the environment police out there working to fight the Chinese mafia. They've

• 1:21:27Speaker 02

  found pesticides, fungicides, fumigants in Chinese labeled Mylar bags, and they found some shipping labels that they were able to trace back to a property in California, which they obtained a postal warrant on, and found that this particular house was also shipping to a grow supply store in Massachusetts and a house in Monmouth, Maine, which is in Kennebec County, maybe 20 miles away from Augusta, the state's capital. It's on Academy Road. It's about maybe 1,000 feet from a school.

• 1:22:05Speaker 02

  We went to the house and knocked on the door to try to see if the owner wanted to talk. Uh, no one was there. It very clearly had been turned into a marijuana grow at one point, but was not active. And we went and talked with the neighbor who was a firefighter and he says, oh no, it's active. There's people there in the mornings around, you know, two o'clock in the morning to five o'clock in the morning and there's activity there. Um, so we kind of drew the conclusion that potentially this was a shipping hub or receiving hub for these pesticides and fungicides and chemicals that were being sent, uh, imported from China to California and distributed to Chinese marijuana.

• 1:22:41Tucker Carlson?

  And they're not legal here because they're poison.

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  They're, uh, not, there's no licensed, regulated use for many of these pesticides and fungicides. Um, they're, because they're so deadly for humans, but it's, it's, uh, it's even worse than that. So there's, they're using chemicals that are, um, not licensed for use in the United States and are deadly. Um, sometimes some of them aren't even licensed for use in China, which is not notorious for their concern for environmental rights, you know, human rights, environmental degradation. Um, but they're also not very well studied, uh, used together, uh, in like eight of them together, 12 of them together. They're

• 1:23:27Speaker 02

  not studied when you burn them. They're not studied when you apply them to marijuana and eat the marijuana. They're not studied when you apply them to marijuana and smoke the marijuana. They're not studied when you use them in all these different combinations and then do a gas extraction process to extract the THC oil and a more potent version of this pesticide fungicide. They're not studied at all. They were unknown. Uh, the, they only identified a lot of these chemicals.

• 1:23:50Tucker Carlson?

  Seriously?

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  They only identified a lot of these chemicals in California because they brought in the weapons of mass destruction unit from the Army National Guard. Because the conventional labs couldn't test for them. And there's no lab in the state of Maine that can test for them that I know of. None of the cannabis labs can take cannabis grown at a Chinese marijuana grow that has used these pesticides and test it and determine that it's contaminated. They may be now, because I've shared the information with them directly from the chemists in California who are identifying them and trying to lead the fight against them. They may be able to test for them now, but the consequence of it is that you could take a bit of marijuana from one of these grows that's been treated with these heinous deadly

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  chemicals and tested at one of the labs and get an A+ tested, approved. No, no, you know, bad chemicals. This is safe for consumption. Because they're not capable of testing these chemicals. Yeah, because it's just a different process. It's just that each, you know, it's not like you put a sample of cannabis in a machine and it says, here's everything that's in it. There's each different pesticide or bacterium or arsenic. There's different processes to test what's. And people are putting this in their bodies? Yeah, well, they don't know. They don't know. And, and these, so these Mylar bags, well, first of all, the house where we knew these products were being shipped, we knock on the door and do a story about it. And a week later, the house hits the market for sale.

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  Not suspicious at all. And the following week, I get a call from a grandmother who had just taken a tour of the house as a prospective buyer with her two grandchildren. And she was calling me because she and her grandchildren immediately developed respiratory symptoms after walking through the house. And they were concerned enough that they Googled it and they found my article and they called me and they wanted to know, what do we do? You know, we've just been exposed to dangerous, unknown Chinese neurotoxins. What do we do? Like, fuck if I know, man. I'm just a journalist.

• 1:25:54Tucker Carlson?

  So Janet Mills is the steward of the environment, the big environmentalist governor?

• 1:25:58Speaker 02

  Sure. Sure. Yeah. I mean, if she's supported by the Natural Resources Council of Maine and the Maine Renewable Energy Association and all the other corrupt trade groups that turn out and profit from the sale of solar panels made by Chinese slaves in Western China. Yeah, sure, she would position herself that way. And presumably, future Democrats will position themselves that way. But these same Mylar bags, by the way, that we've seen in California, that we've identified, we know to a certain extent what these chemicals are, thanks to the Weapons of Mass Destruction Lab. The most recent bust in Somerset County by Sheriff Dale Lancaster, he had photographs that he distributed with his press release, the same

• 1:26:38Speaker 02

  exact bags. They're coming here from California, shipped here illegally from China, being distributed here. And if they're in that one grow in Somerset County, you could assume that they're in all of these grows. And they dump mad science concoctions of pesticides with sawdust and ammonium nitrate in a little fuse and a half cup beer can. And they let it smolder and the smoke fills the house and it covers the marijuana plants. And so the mites won't grow and the mildew won't grow. So you have minimal product loss.

• 1:27:06Tucker Carlson?

  Are you serious?

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  It's very effective at mitigating any kind of pesticide or pest damage to your marijuana product. But it coats every corner of the house in these dangerous chemicals. So we have no way of testing for them. There's no real estate disclosure. There are houses right now for sale by the same real estate agent who sold, tried to sell this fucking house to the grandmother I talked with. There are houses that are for sale right now on the market that have very likely been contaminated with these pesticides, or at a minimum, the black mold that comes with a house that's kept at 99% humidity and, you know, 80 degrees so that marijuana can grow. They're on the market right now, being sold with no disclosure whatsoever.

• 1:27:49Tucker Carlson?

  And this is a state with one of the most profound housing crises in the country because of immigration and Airbnb and big companies buying up residential real estate, like, people can't afford houses here, period.

• 1:28:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, also just assholes from Massachusetts and New York moving here.

• 1:28:04Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I didn't want to say that, but yeah.

• 1:28:08Tucker Carlson?

  True. Um, so.

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  I'll just say for the record, if we're talking about mass deportation, like.

• 1:28:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  The Massachusetts.

• 1:28:15Tucker Carlson?

  Mass deportation.

• 1:28:18Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I get it. Um, uh, I've got some dirty jokes on that subject, but I'm not going to share them. Um, so, so it's, it's reducing the amount of available housing for Maine people. It is poisoning the state's environment, which the government claims to be a steward of.

• 1:28:38Tucker Carlson?

  And they know it's happening, right? I just want to, this one point, I just want to be totally clear on. You're a journalist, working with other journalists, trying to expose the scale of this disaster, this crime. But it's not like government officials don't know. I'm not even talking about the governor. Like, people who run the town managers in all these little towns, the selectmen in all these little towns, they've got to know too, right?

• 1:29:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, I would assume. I mean, I know that the Lincoln County Sheriff has videotaped surveillance evidence of illegal dumping going on out behind these sites. There's, uh, uh, Machias out in Washington County and a marijuana grow I visited there. You could almost study the ages of marijuana cultivation there by looking at the strata of the styrofoam or, or I guess some fiberglass, um, uh, substrate that they start the marijuana plants in. Because they were just layers and layers and layers and layers where they'd been growing marijuana. Because they just take it, when they're done with it, they throw it out in the backyard.

• 1:29:42Speaker 02

  And so just the entire property is a beautiful farm in, uh, Machias that overlooks the water. Uh, just like, could be someone's paradise. Uh, and the soil will be permanently contaminated with, you know, God knows what chemicals and fiberglass. It's everywhere distributed throughout the property. Every single one of these places has like an unknown level of contamination. Water contamination, soil contamination, uh, the danger to people. The processes that are used to extract the THC and the CBD, the psycho.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  Active useful chemicals in marijuana. These same processes also can collect the oil soluble pesticides and fungicides in higher concentrations. So when you concentrate the vape pen to 99% THC, you're also concentrating the, you know, some of these pesticides and fungicides. And then those are being sold, I mean, from the Chinese grows to, you know, two thirds of them are leaving the state. They're being sold, New York, Massachusetts, the Southeast United States, all over the place. And then people are unknowingly consuming these substances that have just not been studied at all. So we wouldn't even really know if somebody was experiencing side effects of, you know, unintentional exposure to some of these carbonate poisons.

• 1:31:01Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, we, there's, there's so much that we don't know about the dangers of these chemicals. And you can't help but wonder if that's intentional.

• 1:31:12Tucker Carlson?

  Of course it's intentional.

• 1:31:13Speaker 02

  You know, I've read, I've read unrestricted warfare. You know, they explicitly contemplate environmental destruction and unrestricted warfare. You know, the, the book written by Chinese colonels in 1999, which basically laid out exactly what they would do to us over the next 25 years.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  And we know, thanks to Philip Lenzicki from the Daily Caller News Foundation, who reported just last week that there was a reporting we did in Dexter, my hometown, about a mile from where I grew up, at an illegal marijuana grow. We found an abandoned BMW there. And there were two shirts over the driver's seat and the passenger's seat. I had Chinese writing on them for the Sichuan Association of New York. I was like, huh, that's weird. Took some pictures of it, didn't really think anything of it. This, by, this place, by the way, is like a mile from a military facility, US Army Reserve Garrison.

• 1:32:11Speaker 02

  And later Philip was able to connect the dots between two individuals arrested in Carmel, Maine. One of them was Wei Zhan Huang. And film from a Chinese Communist Party event in New York, where two of these individuals who were arrested, their mug shots, they're on video at this event. And then Wei Zhan Huang is featured, while he's out on bail, by the way. Is featured in Chinese state-run media back in his hometown, doing classic united front work, talking about how he's gonna come back to the United States and he's gonna bring home the bacon for his hometown, bring home American investment for his people. Based, and he is the executive director of the association that those shirts were linked

• 1:32:55Speaker 02

  to. So, thanks to, I guess, you know, the, the work we did on the ground and Philip's advanced knowledge of Cantonese Mandarin, the culture, the language, and how these Chinese benevolent associations work. They're all front groups, by the way. You know, the Chinese consulate in New York should be gone. It should not be allowed to be operating in the United States. Like, the President of the United States should close it down immediately, all those Chinese consulates. They're like military bases from a hostile foreign power. They should be gone, and New York should not be allowed to issue licenses to foreign nationals because it's hurting every other state. But, thanks to

• 1:33:31Tucker Carlson?

  Driver's licenses.

• 1:33:31Speaker 02

  Driver's licenses, their identity documents, the, the state of New York is printing false identity documents for criminal organizations, aiding and abetting them. They're all coming here with driver's licenses from New York, and you know, a month later, they get a license to grow marijuana here in the state of Maine, and it's, it's a mess.

• 1:33:48Tucker Carlson?

  But we're spending our time arguing about Israel and Iran and all the rest. When the country's dying, it's the amount of energy that's being expended on things that don't really matter that much, to exclusion of things that really do matter, life and death questions, like the ones you're describing, is really upsetting.

• 1:34:02Speaker 02

  And Iranians never come taking a shit in my hometown like the Chinese communists are.

• 1:34:08Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:09Speaker 02

  You know, nobody, nobody, nobody from my high school classes died from Iranian fentanyl. You know, I guess, you know, there, I guess if we take out their nuclear program, are we committing ourselves to a permanent technological subjugation of the Iranians forever? Are we gonna, forever, are we gonna, a hundred, a thousand years from now, gonna be keeping them? No nuclear weapons? Is that what we're gonna do? Because they're gonna be pretty pissed off if you go take them out now. Is that the position? Not to stray outside of my lane of expertise.

• 1:34:40Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think that anybody advocating for this cares because they don't care about the country in the first place.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, war is profitable.

• 1:34:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  I wish that it was as profitable, like, how do you make it profitable to just enforce the laws that we already have here in the state of Maine? Like, how do you just enforce the laws against people who are engaging in tax evasion? They're breaking the marijuana laws, they're breaking the environmental laws. In some cases, they're jumping their meter to steal electricity. They're, you know.

• 1:35:11Tucker Carlson?

  There's not one Indian-owned convenience store that I've ever been to in Maine that's following tax laws. I mean, that's just a fact, so.

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  Why aren't they being audited? We have the Maine Revenue Services, you know, they should be following up on that.

• 1:35:22Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah. So here's my question. You were speaking earlier about the unequal application of the law in the state along racial lines.

• 1:35:32Tucker Carlson?

  So these grows are just proceeding unimpeded. There's no real penalty. People are dying, nobody cares. State's being poisoned, nobody cares. Shannon Mills' brothers making money from it, it's great. Media won't report on it. What would happen to you if you torched one of these places? Like, it's in your town, it's next to your house, there's a grow, you burn it down, no one's hurt, but you eliminate that problem from your town. What would happen to you if you did that?

• 1:35:57Speaker 02

  I'd have a very good alibi.

• 1:36:00Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 1:36:02Tucker Carlson?

  Let me rephrase.

• 1:36:05Tucker Carlson?

  And I want to say, I'm not even gonna bother to save the record, I'm not encouraging that, it's not up to me, so I'm not getting involved in what people would do or not do.

• 1:36:11Speaker 02

  One of them burnt down, by the way, just last Friday.

• 1:36:14Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:14Speaker 02

  In Wilton, yeah, a big one, a big one. And I was inside it and.

• 1:36:19Tucker Carlson?

  After it burned?

• 1:36:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, after it burned. I have an alibi for the time.

• 1:36:24Tucker Carlson?

  Wait, let me just finish my question.

• 1:36:25Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, anytime something happens to one of these, I have an alibi. I'll just state that for, I don't know what it is yet.

• 1:36:31Tucker Carlson?

  You're out of state.

• 1:36:32Speaker 02

  I was with Tucker.

• 1:36:35Tucker Carlson?

  But if, if you're caught doing that, I guess, let me just say, you're busted by the police, the same police who didn't bust the Chinese drug cartel that was running the place, what would happen to you?

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  I, I think I would go to jail for a very long time and probably under hate crime statutes, my, um, my jail sentence would be increased. Um, uh, you know, it would be the, uh, a racist act of violence against a marginalized community.

• 1:37:01Tucker Carlson?

  Marginalized community being the Chinese drug cartel.

• 1:37:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. I, I mean, I, that's what I think would happen.

• 1:37:06Tucker Carlson?

  How long's your family been in Maine?

• 1:37:07Speaker 02

  Six, seven generations. I mean, since it was Massachusetts. I mean, as far back as-

• 1:37:15Tucker Carlson?

  That was 1820, 200 years ago.

• 1:37:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, as, as, as far back as we care to look at that stuff. I don't know. I might, one of my grandfather's, my grandfather's father was adopted. So there's, uh, some, some empty spaces there. So we don't know. But I mean, as far back as we've been able to

• 1:37:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:33Speaker 02

  research.

• 1:37:34Tucker Carlson?

  So a foreign drug cartel can come to your town, destroy the town.

• 1:37:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:38Tucker Carlson?

  Commit crimes in plain sight.

• 1:37:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:40Tucker Carlson?

  There's nothing anybody can do about it. But if, having watched the total collapse of law enforcement, you decide to enforce the law informally by getting rid of the drug house, not hurting anyone, but just destroying the property, you go to jail.

• 1:37:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:37:56Tucker Carlson?

  That's, that's tyranny, right?

• 1:37:59Speaker 02

  Or what would happen if I went to China and decided, hey, I'm gonna go grow a bunch of pot and sell illegally all around. Oh, and it's going to be poisoned too, with poisons that I've illegally shipped in from, uh, the, the United States. Not saying we want to become any more like China, but the, uh, the unequal application of the laws is so obvious that it is going to encourage this, what you're talking about, vigilantism. Cause you have- Marijuana in Maine is such a huge business. We're known for lobsters, blueberries, whatever. But if you look at it in terms of economic value, and if you add the gray market and the black market to what's actually being taxed, it's way bigger than blueberries, lobster, and potatoes combined in terms of its economic value for the state.

• 1:38:44Speaker 02

  And there are a lot of people who have spent their considerable amount of their time, energy, and treasure trying to build businesses around this, following the rules, doing the right thing, trying to follow these weird, murky, hard-to-follow regulations that change all the time. And the regulators are punitive. And if you complain about them on Instagram, they're going to give you a surprise inspection and write you a ticket, only if you're white. And all of these business owners are being put under because of the unequal enforcement of the laws, because the dumping of the Chinese-grown marijuana, which comes with all these built-in cost advantages. You don't have to pay your laborers. You can steal electricity. You can use pesticides and fungicides. You can grow way over the plant limits.

• 1:39:28Speaker 02

  You have no regulatory compliance costs. So you can go sell your product for half what the legal Maine business owners can sell. So they're going bankrupt. And they're looking at a government that's not enforcing the laws equally. And if you don't think that they're contemplating vigilantism, you're crazy. They absolutely are.

• 1:39:48Tucker Carlson?

  Why wouldn't they just pay off Janet Mills's brother even more than the Chinese drug cartels are paying him?

• 1:39:55Speaker 02

  I don't know. I don't know what that would accomplish. You know, I mean, I don't know if they've considered it. I don't know if she's open to bribes from the other side. I do know that the highest-ranking official in the New York, the Chinese New York consulate, was here for her inauguration in 2019.

• 1:40:12Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 1:40:15Tucker Carlson?

  Can you restate that?

• 1:40:16Speaker 02

  The highest-ranking official for the Chinese consulate in New York was at her inauguration.

• 1:40:23Tucker Carlson?

  Janet Mills's inauguration.

• 1:40:24Speaker 02

  Janet Mills's inauguration in 2019.

• 1:40:26Tucker Carlson?

  What in the world would a Communist Chinese official from New York be doing at Janet Mills's inauguration as governor of Maine? That doesn't make any sense at all.

• 1:40:33Speaker 02

  According to Chinese state-run media, taking meetings with Senate President Troy Jackson, Matt Dunlap, the current state auditor, former Secretary of State, had just returned from a trip to China, handling the inauguration of the first female governor of the state of Maine.

• 1:40:50Tucker Carlson?

  How's that gone, by the way?

• 1:40:52Speaker 02

  Objectively, I think that we have yet to devise a measure of political science or social science by which you could say this state has improved under Janet Mills. If they found one, I can't, I can't tell you. You know, nothing's gotten better. I think that the, the best example of the people of Maine lacking the immune system to repel something like this is Woodville, Maine, which is a town of maybe 300, 350 people.

• 1:41:23Tucker Carlson?

  Where's it?

• 1:41:24Speaker 02

  It's Penobscot County, northern Penobscot County, maybe 45 minutes to an hour north of Bangor.

• 1:41:31Tucker Carlson?

  Pretty town.

• 1:41:32Speaker 02

  Pretty, very rural, you know, really just like one road going through it and a lot of dirt roads. And they've got a three-person selectman, Manfred's the chief selectman, great guy, no-nonsense man, or you'd love him, he'd fit in around here. And they had an obnoxious Chinese marijuana grow right next to their town office. And you could see, right next to their town office, you could smell it.

• 1:41:55Tucker Carlson?

  In Woodville, Maine?

• 1:41:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:57Tucker Carlson?

  An hour north of Bangor, which itself is like far from the Massachusetts border, the legislature border. It's a long way.

• 1:42:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. And this used to be a lumber mill or a sawmill. It was like the day's mill back in a, in a, in a former Maine. It was a prosperous business that, you know, made lumber and wood for people to build homes so that middle-class families could live in them instead of growing marijuana in them. And this place was obnoxious. There was, you know, effluent always running across the road. The people were angry and mean and nasty and, you know, they wouldn't pay their taxes and then someone would show up from New York and just slap $100 bills on the counter until the, you know, clerk said, okay, the taxes are paid and then leave. And at one point, they had to call the animal control officer because there was a Cantonese

• 1:42:47Speaker 02

  speaking individual out in the front yard beating a border collie with a stick.

• 1:42:53Tucker Carlson?

  And beating a border collie?

• 1:42:56Speaker 02

  With a stick.

• 1:42:57Tucker Carlson?

  And so why didn't the townspeople shoot him?

• 1:43:03Speaker 02

  You'd have to ask Manfred.

• 1:43:05Tucker Carlson?

  Look, I'm not, I don't want to be judgmental, but you can't, I mean, that, that like crosses so many lines that you give up your, your right to life at that point, I would say.

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  They took the dog away. I mean, the dog is, you know, was clearly very severely abused. When the animal control officer show up, showed up, the guy just picked up the dog, threw him over and said, "Take him. No good. No good." And I could see going into the town council meetings that I could see this happening, like the lack of an immune system to propel what was happening. And across the line from journalist to like, I don't know, local activist. And I was like, "Why don't you guys just write an ordinance that says that you can declare that an illegal cannabis business and start fining them $10,000 a day until they shut

• 1:43:58Speaker 02

  it down? And if they don't pay the fine, then you put a lien against the property and turn off the electricity, because if they can't have electricity, they can't grow marijuana. If they can't grow marijuana, they can't make money. They will leave. Just write an ordinance and do that." They were like, "Jeez, that's not a bad idea." And they wrote the ordinance. They passed the ordinance.

• 1:44:19Speaker 02

  And 30 days later, I reached out and they were like, "Well, how do we enforce the ordinance?"

• 1:44:25Speaker 02

  "Well, get your code enforcement officer, as the ordinance says, get your code enforcement officer to go declare it from an exterior inspection, an illegal cannabis business, and start issuing the fines." And they're like, "Well, jeez, I don't know if our code enforcement officer will do that. There's a couple, she's, she's got a couple of towns she deals with. I don't know." I don't, I still don't know what the status of it is, but these guys, these particular, this particular marijuana grower ended up applying for a license with the Office of Cannabis Policy to grow legally. And when the inspector showed up, they were already growing hundreds of plants. And they couldn't explain to them that that's, you know, illegal and you're disqualifying for getting a license. But this is like the one place that ended up

• 1:45:06Speaker 02

  not getting a legal license after being caught growing marijuana illegally.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  But it's, it's still owned by Chinese nationals, because these are effective real estate investments, too. The real estate's an effective way to hide capital from the Chinese government itself.

• 1:45:25Tucker Carlson?

  That's happening all over the United States and it's really affecting residential real estate prices, of course, and it's not just China that's dumping money here as a safe haven and destroying the ability of our kids to buy houses. You said something off camera, which I hope you will elaborate on a little bit. So one of, I think people listening to this who don't, aren't familiar with northern New England might say, well, wow, you know, the people sound pretty passive in the face of the total destruction of their state, their way of life, their culture, their economy, the land itself. How could they put up with that? And you said something, oh, I think this is fair. You said, "The best part of Maine is that people are instinctively hesitant to bother other people, but that's also a weakness."

• 1:46:10Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, you, Mainers don't want people up in their shit.

• 1:46:16Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  So they don't get up in other people's shit.

• 1:46:19Tucker Carlson?

  Nicely put!

• 1:46:20Speaker 02

  You know, and I'll say that there are, I was more scared knocking and knocking on some of the doors that I knew Mainers owned the properties because they might answer with a gun.

• 1:46:32Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:46:33Speaker 02

  You know, the Chinese, the individuals who are at these facilities growing marijuana, it's my belief, most of, in most cases, they are victims of exploitation by criminal organizations. They're being paid maybe a thousand dollars a month. You know, they're being exposed to chemicals that they have no idea what the consequences of that will be. The mold, they're living in conditions that any American would look at and be like, that's slavery or that's, you know, human trafficking. That is unreal. But they could be doing it voluntarily. I still think that they're victims, but they're very servile in most cases when you try to ask them questions or interview them and they can't speak English or they pretend they can't speak English and they call someone in New York and do an interview over the

• 1:47:18Speaker 02

  phone and they don't want to answer any questions. But the- They very much, the people who are operating this know about that culture in Maine. And they exploit it for a reason. They're very, like, they came, they came to Maine with a playbook that they'd run previously in Washington State, in California, in Oklahoma, to camouflage themselves within legal marijuana programs. But they knew that once they got to Maine, there was going to be this live and let live type culture. And they took advantage of it. And that's what pisses me off so much.

• 1:47:49Tucker Carlson?

  And the Yankee Reserve, that, you know, it's got the highest incidence of English ancestry of any state, is, is what the world has done to Great Britain. You know, in the same dynamic, like, you come in, living off the charity of the people who built the country, and then you give them the finger, then you destroy what they built, then you take more money from them, and then they don't, they do nothing. And, and the only people who speak up about it, get arrested for speaking about it. Like, because it's, you're leveraging Anglo politeness against the Anglos, is what you're doing.

• 1:48:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, and I mean, they even have a word for, what is it, like, BISO?

• 1:48:23Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:23Speaker 02

  The white liberals, they, they're very strategically taking advantage of this hesitant, this deep-seated fear amongst white people in Maine to be labeled as a, as a racist or described as a racist. And, and there's this, even this stereotype about this, you know, rural redneck, and it's true of Maine, and it's true of any other state, like, these rural people.

• 1:48:44Tucker Carlson?

  The deep south, yeah.

• 1:48:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, these people are just racist. And I encountered over and over and over again, in every county that I went to, people who went out of their way to be as fucking nice to these people as they possibly could.

• 1:48:57Tucker Carlson?

  Of course, always.

• 1:48:58Speaker 02

  In, in Franklin County, there was a, there was a guy who plowed them out for like two years, because they needed to have the driveway cleaned.

• 1:49:07Tucker Carlson?

  Explain what plowed out means.

• 1:49:09Speaker 02

  Yes, sorry, the, the, it snows in Maine, for people, for people who are unfamiliar, it snows. The Chinese were apparently unfamiliar with that. So this was what a challenge they had to surmount as they're trying to make a marijuana pickup. When the U-Haul or the Sprinter van is coming to pick up, you know, 500 pounds of marijuana, you can't have two feet of snow in the driveway. So there was actually a marijuana grow that was on the Department of Homeland Security's list, and this is in Chesterville, Maine. It was, uh...

• 1:49:42Speaker 02

  I think 200 West Road and they needed help plowing. So this Chinese guy walks up the driveway of their neighbors and holds out a phone and it's a woman in New York who negotiates an arrangement where they plow the guy out. And so they'd bring their tractor down and plow the driveway and they did that for them for free, like for they didn't even negotiate like a price. They were just like, yeah, we'll go plow you out. You're our neighbor. They did that for them.

• 1:50:06Tucker Carlson?

  That's what they're like.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  Because they were just like, it was a guy who

• 1:50:08Tucker Carlson?

  And in return, the Chinese poisoned their children.

• 1:50:13Tucker Carlson?

  Sorry, it's just true. But you've described the way every rural community, probably in the country, but certainly

• 1:50:18Speaker 02

  No, they later, they later abused that, that relationship to the point where the woman who was living at that property, I think she's in her 60s, young, a young Chinese man, maybe 20s or 30s, came over and asked the elderly Chinese woman if she would go mow the lawn for them.

• 1:50:44Tucker Carlson?

  So last question, it doesn't seem like, and you're the expert on politics in the state, but it seems like it's pretty hard to make a change. You know, the governor's leaving in the next election. Thank God. However, there are a lot of people like the governor in state government, like the whole state government, not the whole, but a lot of it is truly corrupt. So I don't know, I'm not that confident that anyone in Maine is going to fix Maine's problems. Can the feds do anything? Can the Trump Justice Department begin to fix this problem?

• 1:51:19Speaker 02

  Yes, absolutely. And, and I think that you're, you're seeing glimmers of that.

• 1:51:25Tucker Carlson?

  I mean, it's fun to fight about the tranny stuff. Okay.

• 1:51:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:28Tucker Carlson?

  But if you've got military age male Chinese in uniform, you know, throughout the state, you've got thousands of Chinese here illegally working for drug cartels, like that's a national security threat, no?

• 1:51:41Speaker 02

  They control the former Maine National Guard base in Gardner.

• 1:51:44Tucker Carlson?

  What?

• 1:51:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's a former Maine National Guard base. It was decommissioned and sold. It's a big brick military garrison surrounded by barbed wire, but there's an illegal Chinese marijuana grower operating out of that. It's about two miles from the state house.

• 1:52:01Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 1:52:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. And just down the road from there, there's another one that is operating out of an old meat walker. It used to be run by Johnny Woo. Johnny Woo lost his license. Ben Wang came in and now it's operating under her license.

• 1:52:17Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, sorry. We've been talking for almost two hours and every, every sentence shocks me. Um, so, okay, I think you've established this is an imminent national security threat. So what, what could the feds do? And why haven't they done anything?

• 1:52:34Speaker 02

  They need to treat it like a national security threat. First of all, you know, I think that there's, there's maybe an illusion that Maine isn't, doesn't have anything that's a vital national security interest, but there are, you know, there are internet lines that run, you know, international internet lines that run through Maine. There's Bath Ironworks, a defense contractor here. There's some military facilities and there's the, there's a huge, like a 5,000 acre, um, I guess a National Guard complex in Woodville, the town where the border collie was being beat. So I know-

• 1:53:12Tucker Carlson?

  Well, there are also like training facilities in Maine that are not like widely known. There's the longest runway, I think in North America, bomber runway in Bangor. It's also has an incredibly long international border.

• 1:53:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:25Tucker Carlson?

  Plus it's an American state.

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. So there's-

• 1:53:28Tucker Carlson?

  One of the oldest American-

• 1:53:29Speaker 02

  It needs to be treated like a national security threat and the northern border needs to be treated with the same seriousness that the southern border is, particularly our northeast border. Right now we have, we have basically the thin blue line protecting America from illegal aliens from Jordan or from Algeria or from China from sneaking across the main border are like 19 and 20 year old cops from Fort Fairfield, Maine, happening to pull somebody over and see something that's not right and bring in-

• 1:54:02Tucker Carlson?

  Well, yeah, especially China controls Canada. I mean, Canada is now a colony of China, which can be used for its resources, obviously.

• 1:54:10Speaker 02

  And they're exploiting that border. So to answer the question about what can the feds do? Treat it like a national security issue. That's what you can do. They've moved to seize-

• 1:54:20Tucker Carlson?

  Is that more effective than fighting about trainees?

• 1:54:24Speaker 02

  You know, a tranny has never, you know, tried to kill me.

• 1:54:29Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I mean, I'm not for trainees.

• 1:54:30Speaker 02

  Not that I know of.

• 1:54:31Tucker Carlson?

  Many, many hours on TV barking about trainees.

• 1:54:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:54:36Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 1:54:36Speaker 02

  I know, yeah, I get it.

• 1:54:37Tucker Carlson?

  Now, this is real.

• 1:54:38Speaker 02

  And the scale of, and the, and the scope of things that are affecting the quality of life and the people of Maine, the, the transgender athletes, with all due respect to the female athletes who lose to the male athletes who are pretending to be women, it's not as big as this, not at all.

• 1:54:54Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's not, and, yeah, exactly.

• 1:54:57Speaker 02

  And it needs to be treated like a national security threat, and there needs to be a whole of government response to it. You need to use the Environmental Protection Agency to go after these facilities that we know are using unregistered poisons.

• 1:55:08Tucker Carlson?

  The problem is, is that the weed scammers are not just Chinese, they're American, too.

• 1:55:14Speaker 02

  Lock them up, lock them up.

• 1:55:16Tucker Carlson?

  And there's a lot of, there's so much money.

• 1:55:17Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 1:55:19Tucker Carlson?

  I have a million friends who grow marijuana. I'm not against everyone who grows marijuana. I'm saying, um, I know a lot of people grow marijuana, I think because they're afraid to smoke marijuana from the Chinese drug cartels because it's poison.

• 1:55:31Speaker 02

  With good reason.

• 1:55:32Tucker Carlson?

  Or whatever. This is an agricultural state. A lot of people grow marijuana. I don't use it, but I get it. I'm talking about like, the organized money interests in the United States who are, who are constantly lobbying the federal government for their own economic benefit.

• 1:55:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:48Tucker Carlson?

  Right? There's a lot of that.

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:50Tucker Carlson?

  Billions of dollars of that.

• 1:55:51Speaker 02

  Well, I would say, you know, Bobby Kennedy should treat this like a national health emergency. It is. Whatever your feelings are on legal marijuana, it's here, it's happening, people are consuming it, it's more popular. There are more daily active marijuana users than daily active alcohol users. This happened just, I think, within the last year or two. So it's happening, and to the extent that these illicit Chinese poisons are making it into that supply, it is a national health emergency, and it needs to be responded to it just like that. But there's also, there are powerful economic interests that align with what the Chinese are doing in the Baptists and bootleggers fashion. Like, there are Marijuana companies that want to become the Bud Light or Coors Light of marijuana.

• 1:56:37Speaker 02

  What do they benefit from? A harsh, strict regulatory environment that they can comply with easily. Costs that they have the capital to deal with, but the little mom and pop cannabis producers don't. So they tolerate and allow and maybe encourage this kind of wild, wild west of which the Chinese marijuana growers are a part. Because they know that the Chinese criminal organizations polluting the marijuana environment in Maine will lead to calls for greater regulatory crackdown and a compliance regime that works favorable to their long-term economic interests. So there are, you know, wealthy companies, they give a lot of money to politicians.

• 1:57:17Speaker 02

  I would look into, um, who are the biggest donors to Governor Janet Mills inaugural committee in 2019?

• 1:57:26Tucker Carlson?

  Who were they?

• 1:57:26Speaker 02

  Big cannabis companies.

• 1:57:30Tucker Carlson?

  I should just say, um, you've a, you're, you know, the son of a man who worked at the shoe factory, but you have a fancy college degree. You've got a million different potential life paths and you've chosen to stay in Maine and do this job. Making much less than you could have made if you'd left with your college degree. And, um, I'm just grateful that you did that.

• 1:57:50Speaker 02

  Well, thank you.

• 1:57:51Tucker Carlson?

  This is making a difference.

• 1:57:52Speaker 02

  Thank you. Well, I'm, I'm grateful for the, the help and encouragement that, uh, you've given me and, um, the, you know, the attention to, to be here.

• 1:58:00Tucker Carlson?

  No one else is doing it.

• 1:58:01Speaker 02

  I know.

• 1:58:03Tucker Carlson?

  Why is it falling to you to do this?

• 1:58:05Speaker 02

  Honestly, honestly, Tucker, you're like my psychotherapist because you know, I, I feel like, uh, I'm Mugatu in Zoolanders. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills as I drive around and I see all these marijuana sites. I'm like, how has it taken this long for somebody to tell this story? So for finally for somebody else to be like, yeah, that is a fascinating story. It's, it's, it feels gratifying, uh, to, to the work that we've done. And I have to say that, I mean, it's been, uh, like a, uh, team, a team wide work that my reporters have, uh, you know, had to tolerate me just disappearing into the woods of Maine where there's no cell phone signal for days at a time to do some of this work. And, uh, our digital media. Mr. Graham Pollard is, he's one of the best in the country and he single-handedly put together the documentary that we made on this.

• 1:58:49Speaker 02

  Uh, and he's just so wildly talented and a lot of this, I, I don't think I could have done, uh, without their help and their assistance and also the readers and supporters of, uh, our organization, the main wire and a lot of the people who were very brave and gave us tips anonymously, people in government, people who work for utility companies, town officials, you know, once the initial story started coming out, people came to us with a lot of, uh, harrowing information that they were too scared to, um, put their name to, but ended up being very useful to us and connecting the dots, uh, and, and being able to tell the story that we've told.

• 1:59:31Tucker Carlson?

  Godspeed, man. I think, I think you're in danger and I know that you know you are in danger. So thank you for doing this anyway.

• 1:59:37Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 1:59:42Tucker Carlson?

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