Vergecast Live @ On The Verge 2021

Nilay Patel and Dieter Bohn are joined by Verge alums Joanna Stern and David Pierce live on stage at The Verge's 10th anniversary party. Stories discussed from "Episode 69" Tim Cook must testify in ebook price fixing case FCC approves T-Mo/MetroPCS merger Google Reader shuts down Intel in discussions to make Apple chips Wii U sales slump Release date announced for first BB10 phones Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Nilay Patel?

  Hey everybody, it's Neelai. As you may have heard, we had our big 10-year birthday party on The Verge in New York City this past month, and we did a live Vergecast there with Joanna Stern and David Pierce. I want to say thank you to everyone who came out. We got to meet so many of you, and I especially want to say thank you to those of you who've been with us from the start. It was amazing to meet so many of you who'd been listening to us for 10 years at this party. But today, November 1st, is the actual 10th anniversary of The Verge. It's here, and there is a whole bunch of stuff on the site for you to check out today and for the rest of the week about the past 10 years and what we think is happening in the next 10. Here on the Vergecast feed, we're going to share the recording from our live Vergecast at On The Verge for those of you who couldn't make it. Dieter and I talked

• 0:43Nilay Patel?

  to Joanna Stern and David "DP2" Pierce onstage. We played some games. We revisited some old headlines from Vergecast 69, the missing episode, and we did some audience Q and A. I think if you've been listening to the Vergecast for a long time, you're going to really like it. I do want to apologize for some of the audio. It was live. It was our first day, and it's a little rough, but we're going to get through it. Thanks again to everyone for listening to us over the past 10 years. It's incredible to know we've had people listening to us since they were teenagers. We're very sorry. You can get over it, but stick with us. We have a lot of stuff planned for the Vergecast coming up, so stay tuned for that. Okay, here's the Vergecast Live, it on The Verge.

• 1:20Speaker 01

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• 2:05Speaker 01

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• 2:55Nilay Patel?

  Look at all of these handsome nerds. Ah, they're beautiful. Thank you all for coming to On The Verge, our 10th birthday party. And the first of what we hope is many events to come. We're gonna have a lot of fun tonight. We've got Joanna, we've got David, Dieter. We've got a party downstairs, we've got more party to come. Tomorrow, we've got a great day of talks and demos. We're gonna make some news tomorrow, which I'm pretty excited about. I'm also excited about seeing all of you in person. It means a lot that you're here. The Verge is a community. It's like a weird thing for a tech site to say, but we met a lot of you already downstairs. A lot of people have come up to me and said, I've been reading you since I was in middle school, which...

• 3:38Nilay Patel?

  It's good, I'm glad we were here to poison your minds from the very beginning. Two things I want to say. One, almost the entire Verge team is here, apart from our international team, who we miss very much. There are people here that we've hired in the past year that I've never met in person, so I'd like to meet you. We have a very special team. The Verge is like an art project at scale. Our office is like a high-performance Montessori. So it's very special. Please hang out with our team. They love talking to you, they love seeing you. And I'm very grateful that they're all here. And I want to thank all of you. Like I said, we've had a lot of people who've been with us for 10 years. We do not take this for granted. I remember when The Verge didn't exist. Dieter and Joanna and David and I all remember when The Verge didn't exist.

• 4:21Nilay Patel?

  We do not take for granted that we have an audience of people that's like, yes, do a holiday podcast about HDMI specifications.

• 4:33Nilay Patel?

  That's a... Go ask other people in the media. That's like an unusual situation. So, thank you from the bottom of my heart for being here. Thank you for being with us. We're gonna, we're gonna keep going. It's not the end. It's a side about the future. We got more to come. But I just wanted to say very sincerely thank you to all of you for being with us. Okay. Let's bring out Dieter Bohn, Joanna Stern, David Pierce.

• 4:59Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, you stay over there. You stay over there.

• 5:04Nilay Patel?

  Okay. There are so many of you. There are a lot of them. This is way different than doing this on Zoom. I'm just... We like freak out. Like, bear with us. So, you might remember us, Neil and Dieter, the guys who do this podcast every week. Joanna is one of our founders.

• 5:24Nilay Patel?

  She is now the Senior Personal Tech Columnist of Wall Street Journal. She replaced Walton Mossberg. This is a big deal. And then there's David.

• 5:33Nilay Patel?

  David is like employee number one at The Verge. He's a huge part of our early stories.

• 5:37David Pierce?

  Can I just say, there's another way to say that, which is I was the first person who didn't get to be a founder.

• 5:45David Pierce?

  So, there's like, there's a bunch of ways we could describe that, I think.

• 5:48Nilay Patel?

  All right. Well, we'll just leave that alone. That's what we're gonna do. We made a little video to introduce David and Joanna. Can we run that?

• 5:55Speaker 03

  Oh, no. Hey, guys. It's Joanna from The Verge.

• 5:58David Pierce?

  I'm world record holder and American sweetheart David Pierce.

• 6:01Speaker 03

  And I'm here with the Idea Center A720.

• 6:05David Pierce?

  This is a cane. It's a cane you walk around with like normal.

• 6:07Speaker 03

  The Nook tablet.

• 6:09David Pierce?

  She's Snapchatting.

• 6:10Speaker 03

  I'm a special guest. But actually, back to the Bluetooth toothbrush.

• 6:13David Pierce?

  What in God's name is that? I want to do as much of this as I can without having to get a license. You're technically stalking.

• 6:21Speaker 03

  You do love me, right? Really nice to meet you. Thank you.

• 6:27Speaker 03

  That was the best moment of my life.

• 6:29Nilay Patel?

  I just want to point out, immediately after that happened, Joanna broke up with me in the Las Vegas Airport Chili's too. Which I will never forgive you for. She was like, "I met Bieber on Leaving the Verge."

• 6:40Speaker 03

  I've been with Justin Bieber ever since.

• 6:43Nilay Patel?

  So we're gonna do some news, we've got a lot to talk about. But I want to start with the two of you. You guys were with us from the beginning. What are some early memories of doing The Verge with us?

• 6:52Speaker 03

  My first memory is hiring David Pierce.

• 6:54David Pierce?

  That was your first memory is hiring me?

• 6:56Speaker 03

  Alive.

• 6:57David Pierce?

  And then immediately leaving as soon as you hired me. A huge mistake, I gotta go.

• 7:02Speaker 03

  I think, I mean, we had this small office, it was on 18th Street. You guys remember that? And I think it's just so representative of how big The Verge ended up getting. But we were in this tiny office on 18th Street. We put together the Ikea furniture, the desks. And my desk wobbled all the time because I had two monitors on it. And I just think we were three or four people in that office with random gadgets in the corner.

• 7:33David Pierce?

  And we had that little photo studio setup that was just a bunch of books on a table.

• 7:38Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 7:38David Pierce?

  For the photo studio.

• 7:39Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, we faked all of you out for about five years. We're like, "Look at how beautiful The Verge is." And it was like a tiny, it was like six books in a row. And then our podcast was in the corner. And everyone in the office had to be quiet while we were podcasting.

• 7:52David Pierce?

  For like, two and a half hours.

• 7:54Nilay Patel?

  And we were like, "We're just gonna talk for a while, but you can't talk."

• 7:58Speaker 03

  And the wooden floors were so loud. Like you would have to tiptoe in. But I remember actually, we made our first video. We had two amazing video producers, Billy and Jordan. And I remember the first time we made, like, we did a motion track shot in the corner. And we were like, "Holy crap, this looks amazing." But really, if you step back, it was really just this tiny little set in that office.

• 8:23David Pierce?

  And we would lean out the window to get photos of things. My memory of that office is that the bathroom was directly in the center of it.

• 8:30Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 8:31David Pierce?

  So, you just, and people would go into the bathroom to make phone calls because there was nowhere else to go. And people would go into the bathroom to do bathroom things and then would come out. And you'd be like, "Maybe you should have done that somewhere else." It's just, we all got very close very fast.

• 8:46Nilay Patel?

  We run a real company now, we have an HR department. In case you're wondering. We figured it out. Okay, I have here a list of headlines. That all of us wrote. No, no, these are lines from reviews. I'm sorry. Oh, Lord. Uh, our producers have gone through the reviews that the four of us wrote in our time at The Verge. And they have just taken out sentences. So I'm gonna read them. And I want to see if you can guess who wrote. And if you in the audience are there, call it by all means, guess.

• 9:14David Pierce?

  But no Googling.

• 9:14Nilay Patel?

  You just yell, you just yell our names. That's what, this is all a trick for you to yell our names. Okay, here's the first one. Why does Motorola hate convenient power buttons?

• 9:22David Pierce?

  It's one of the two of you. I think it's Dieter.

• 9:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 9:25Nilay Patel?

  I do get angry about power. Joanna Stern. Wow.

• 9:29Speaker 03

  What did I read?

• 9:29Nilay Patel?

  That was your, uh, Droid Zibord review.

• 9:31Speaker 03

  Oh, my God, the Droid Zibord. Oh, another thing I remember at that office is I wanted to put the Droid, the Droid Zibord. Remind me, I don't know, it was two tablets?

• 9:41Nilay Patel?

  Yep.

• 9:41Speaker 03

  Two tablets made in partnership with Motorola and Verizon.

• 9:45Nilay Patel?

  Yep.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  With a ridiculous name, and I wanted to put it on a skateboard.

• 9:49Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, Zibord on a skateboard.

• 9:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, and I tried to like zoom it down the office, that rickety office, and they both just like fell flat on their face. They didn't break. I've broken many gadgets in that office and in my lifetime.

• 10:01Nilay Patel?

  This combination of ideas, this is the brain that has revolutionized the Wall Street Journal video operation.

• 10:05Speaker 03

  Yes. If you hear Zibord and you're like, we need a skateboard right now.

• 10:09Nilay Patel?

  He's like, I need a number of mimes, a giant stadium, it's an iPhone review, and they're like, the Journal's like, yeah, weed.

• 10:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, here's the money. Here you go.

• 10:16Nilay Patel?

  Okay.

• 10:18David Pierce?

  Oh, no.

• 10:19Nilay Patel?

  Quote, "First, I have questions. How do I shake Shake? Is this a full-body wiggle situation or a light jazz hands?"

• 10:28Speaker 03

  It's one of them.

• 10:29Nilay Patel?

  It's gotta be David. It's, David. Like, everyone got it right away. All right. For what, what?

• 10:36Speaker 03

  What was that from?

• 10:37Nilay Patel?

  The review. Uh, no, this is just an article he wrote.

• 10:40David Pierce?

  That has to be CES.

• 10:41Nilay Patel?

  Please stop making me shake Shake my smartphone.

• 10:43Speaker 03

  Actually, that's just from his textbook.

• 10:44Nilay Patel?

  Oh, 'cause Shake that new sucks.

• 10:46David Pierce?

  There were so many times my first couple of years, like especially at CES, where like the directive from the two of you would be like, go find weird things and write about them, and don't come back until you found 10 of them.

• 10:55Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. The David quid.

• 10:57David Pierce?

  Yeah.

• 10:58Nilay Patel?

  Uh, there was an epidemic of people trying to get us to shake smartphones. Yeah.

• 11:02David Pierce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:03Nilay Patel?

  And we had to take it serious. Didn't like it. We had to be like, no, this is, this meeting is very important.

• 11:09Nilay Patel?

  Shaking is the future. You're definitely doing a good job. Okay. "I asked my wife if the blank was worth the pain of not having TV for three days. Yes, it was worth it."

• 11:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 11:23Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 11:23Speaker 03

  Something about...

• 11:24Nilay Patel?

  It was a TiVo review.

• 11:25Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 11:26David Pierce?

  The extent to which Becky has been a good sport about Neelai gadget reviews is like...

• 11:30Nilay Patel?

  It's bad.

• 11:31David Pierce?

  Becky is the star of The Verge over the first 10 years.

• 11:34Nilay Patel?

  That's true. Becky has, she's only written one post. The highest page views per post.

• 11:41Nilay Patel?

  Because her Samsung TV review went viral. Having the AV Club aggregate your wife's review of a TV that is actually a review of you, I do not recommend this experience.

• 11:53David Pierce?

  Does she ever hold that over you? She's like, "I'm better than you at being a lawyer and I'm better than you at being a gadget blogger."

• 11:59Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 11:59Nilay Patel?

  I mean, she doesn't say it.

• 12:03Nilay Patel?

  It's like, and she's like, "Also, I'm our daughter's favorite."

• 12:06Speaker 04

  Aww.

• 12:07Nilay Patel?

  No, it's fine.

• 12:09David Pierce?

  It's what marriage is.

• 12:09Nilay Patel?

  It's great. I don't regret anything. "The hardware is still beautiful and the new organs provide a faster experience." But, I don't know, man. "But we're not sure at $50 more than the Kindle Fire, Blank has got what it takes to fight Amazon on the content front."

• 12:26Speaker 03

  I wrote that, I'm pretty sure.

• 12:27Nilay Patel?

  Joanna's like, "I slipped that organs line."

• 12:29Speaker 03

  I love organs.

• 12:31David Pierce?

  Tell me about the organs.

• 12:32Nilay Patel?

  She reviewed the Nook tablet.

• 12:33Speaker 03

  Did I write that? I wrote that, right?

• 12:35Nilay Patel?

  What is organs?

• 12:35David Pierce?

  The organs of the...

• 12:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, the organs of the Nook.

• 12:38Nilay Patel?

  Okay. Okay.

• 12:40Speaker 03

  You know.

• 12:40Nilay Patel?

  No one's buying it, Joe.

• 12:42Speaker 03

  Did I write it though?

• 12:43Nilay Patel?

  450 people here are like, "Organs, don't do it again."

• 12:45David Pierce?

  You killed the Nook, single-handedly.

• 12:48Nilay Patel?

  All right, hurry up, future. Hurry the hell up.

• 12:56Nilay Patel?

  My people. All right, here's the last one. Eric Schmidt, in a fit of what turned out to be insanity, declared shortly before CES that Google TV would be on a majority of new TVs by the summer.

• 13:07Speaker 03

  That sounds like Neelai.

• 13:09Nilay Patel?

  No, it's David.

• 13:10David Pierce?

  That was me?

• 13:10Nilay Patel?

  He flipped you up. You don't even remember.

• 13:12David Pierce?

  That's a good line.

• 13:13Nilay Patel?

  You reviewed something called... You reviewed something called the Sony NSZ GS7. Oh, that thing. Who doesn't remember?

• 13:20David Pierce?

  Still use it every day.

• 13:21Speaker 04

  Actually, I mean...

• 13:22Nilay Patel?

  My god.

• 13:23Speaker 04

  Can we talk about that for like 20 minutes? Because I have feelings about the Sony NSZ GS7.

• 13:27Nilay Patel?

  Oh yeah, was that the thing with the remote and the...

• 13:28Speaker 04

  The big giant keyboard remote? And it was like, "Google TV is going to change the world."

• 13:32Nilay Patel?

  Oh, yeah.

• 13:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:34Nilay Patel?

  I just want, this is a very weird moment. This half of the room was like, "Yeah."

• 13:40Nilay Patel?

  This half of the room, ice cold. I don't know how you self-selected. But like, left half go to the bar together. You have something to discuss.

• 13:50David Pierce?

  Like, Roku for the win on this side.

• 13:52Nilay Patel?

  Okay, it would not be the Vergecast if we didn't do news. And so we're thinking about how we would do news on the show. We don't want to talk about news on it. And we're looking through our feed. This is true. We never did Vergecast 69. It does not exist.

• 14:06David Pierce?

  Was this intentional?

• 14:07Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, was that... Yeah, we're like 10 years from now.

• 14:09David Pierce?

  Okay.

• 14:10Nilay Patel?

  We're gonna light the nerds up in purple and do...

• 14:14Nilay Patel?

  So we never did Vergecast 69. So we pulled the headlines from March 2012, 2013.

• 14:20David Pierce?

  Somewhere in there.

• 14:22Nilay Patel?

  Put up the wheel.

• 14:23David Pierce?

  Oh no.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  There it is. That wheel, we've never seen it before.

• 14:29Nilay Patel?

  And also, I didn't let them study. And Joanna is pissed at me that I didn't let them study.

• 14:33Speaker 04

  Hey.

• 14:33Nilay Patel?

  Oh. Oh, this worked.

• 14:35Speaker 04

  Must testify in ebook price fixing case.

• 14:38Nilay Patel?

  Yes. So, as you all know, the iPad destroyed the candle.

• 14:41David Pierce?

  Simpler times.

• 14:42Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, he's... It was like the last idea was made at that spot. If you don't remember this, when they announced the iPad, Steve Jobs confidently told Walt Mossberg at the event, he was caught on a candid video, the prices for iBooks and Amazon Books would be the same. This triggered a government investigation into Apple, which had colluded with the five biggest publishers in the world.

• 15:03David Pierce?

  Yep.

• 15:03Nilay Patel?

  Culminating in this headline. And all of us, of course, using iBooks to this day.

• 15:07David Pierce?

  Mm-hmm.

• 15:09Speaker 04

  Apple, Apple lost this case.

• 15:11Nilay Patel?

  They did.

• 15:12Speaker 04

  Like, they were the monopolist in ebooks, which is...

• 15:15David Pierce?

  My memory of this case is they basically just went into court and they were like, "No, you did it." And Apple was like, "Yeah."

• 15:22Nilay Patel?

  It seems like another book monopoly they should probably look at. Okay, spin the wheel.

• 15:35Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 15:35Speaker 04

  I was hoping for Roku 3.

• 15:37Speaker 03

  Oh no.

• 15:38Nilay Patel?

  Wow. There's like some burn in MetroPCS stands up.

• 15:42Speaker 04

  The headline is FCC approves T-Mobile merger with MetroPCS.

• 15:46Nilay Patel?

  Yes.

• 15:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:47David Pierce?

  It's the beginning or the end.

• 15:48Speaker 04

  Or acquisition or whatever.

• 15:49Nilay Patel?

  So weird thing about being 10 years old is that we both predate and postdate the John Ledger era. The Verge is older than one Ledger.

• 15:57Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 16:00Nilay Patel?

  So what struck me out of this is like, we now live in the age of 5G, which Joanna, you love.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  We won the race.

• 16:07Speaker 03

  I hate 5G. Yeah. How many people are actually using 5G on their phones?

• 16:14Nilay Patel?

  It's over there! What is going on over there?

• 16:17Speaker 04

  How many?

• 16:17Speaker 03

  He has 5G on his side.

• 16:19David Pierce?

  I just want to say, by the way, this is our side of the audience. That's your side. So go, these people.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  How many people are doing things that they wouldn't have done because they have 5G?

• 16:33Nilay Patel?

  Has anyone here done a robot surgery with a 5G T-Mobile?

• 16:39Nilay Patel?

  Alright.

• 16:40David Pierce?

  That's the last gimmick for tonight, right?

• 16:41Nilay Patel?

  Someone just ominously yelled "tonight."

• 16:45Nilay Patel?

  Very terrifying. Okay. Anyway, the point of that headline, which you crazy thing about, that happened early, early on The Verge. That created the T-Mobile that has like pushed the entire industry ahead.

• 16:56Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 16:57Nilay Patel?

  And it was like a boring trade headline, and if only we'd known.

• 17:00Speaker 04

  But so they got MetroPCS and they got a bunch of spectrum because AT&T tried to buy them and failed. And so then they had to give them a bunch of stuff and then T-Mobile used that to make John Ledger Batman.

• 17:11Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Thus proving my theory that the only anti-trust policy this country needs is to prohibit AT&T from buying things.

• 17:19Nilay Patel?

  It'll work.

• 17:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 17:20Nilay Patel?

  Spin the wheel!

• 17:29David Pierce?

  Yeah.

• 17:36David Pierce?

  Wait, these two next to each other is brutal. This is like the best news and the worst news of the year.

• 17:43Speaker 04

  For those listening later on, the headline is "Google Reader shuts down."

• 17:47Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 17:48Speaker 04

  And we're gonna now spend the rest of the episode talking about RSS. Welcome.

• 17:51Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 17:52Nilay Patel?

  We did it for Dieter. This was like a momentous, in retrospect, this is a huge deal.

• 17:58David Pierce?

  Yep. Okay, I have a lot of theories about this.

• 18:00Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 18:00David Pierce?

  Because I had a Google person tell me one time, just like, straight up, "Do you think if anyone used Google Reader, we would have shut it down?" And I did not have a good comeback to that.

• 18:12David Pierce?

  And I think the problem was every journalist used it, and that's not a lot of people.

• 18:18Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 18:19David Pierce?

  And like, I miss Google Reader every single day. And everyone else that I'm like, "Oh, remember Google Reader?" is like, "No."

• 18:26David Pierce?

  They're like, "Facebook tells me where stories are." And I'm like, "That's why the world is dying."

• 18:31Speaker 04

  That worked out great for everybody, didn't it?

• 18:33David Pierce?

  Yeah, super good.

• 18:33Speaker 03

  I was about to say, I think Google Reader became Twitter.

• 18:36Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 18:37David Pierce?

  Yeah, but now Google Reader is like, kind of sketchy back? They're definitely trying to bring it back. They have the like, newsfeed thing that's definitely, they're never gonna call it Reader, but it's gonna be Reader again.

• 18:48Nilay Patel?

  No, but this is Google's entire problem. They're like, "A beloved name that you loved, we're actually gonna call it Hangouts."

• 18:58Nilay Patel?

  And then we're gonna change it. And like, Google Reader, what if we call it Chrome Brown? Like, it doesn't make it, just use the good names. All right. Do we have any Google Reader fans? It's like the Verge team is here.

• 19:07David Pierce?

  Yeah, that's right.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  This side again, this side. They love Google Reader.

• 19:12Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, we got the Riot nerds over here, and then like, Robo Surgery dude over here. Back of the room, you gotta, you need an identity. Spin the wheel.

• 19:34Nilay Patel?

  Oh.

• 19:34Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 19:36Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 19:38Speaker 04

  Intel in discussions to make apple chips. The chill in the room. Just I'm remembering that somebody's to listen to this later.

• 19:45Nilay Patel?

  Pull over in your car and just start sighing.

• 19:49Speaker 04

  This is a real thing.

• 19:51Nilay Patel?

  I think we didn't do this episode because it was cursed.

• 19:56Speaker 04

  Could you imagine this Vergecast? Like, if we'd done it in real time? We had, we were so young and naive. We had no idea.

• 20:02David Pierce?

  This is a fun, like...

• 20:03Speaker 03

  Wait, wait, explain the context of this, this story.

• 20:05Nilay Patel?

  So, 2013, Apple was still, they'd just done, we, we launched the iPhone 4S.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Right, and iPad.

• 20:15Nilay Patel?

  So, they were, and the iPad, so they'd just done the A-series chips.

• 20:18Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 20:19Nilay Patel?

  And so at this time, they were on their second A-series chips, and it was a question who would manufacture them. And so there's always the rumors that Intel had split out the manufacturing. But the spoiler is that it didn't work.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  It didn't happen.

• 20:30Nilay Patel?

  And Apple just put out its own laptop chips, uh, which appeared to be very good.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  But, okay, so that was, you have to wonder if, at that time, Apple was thinking further ahead about what they were going to do with their silicon and how, how they were thinking, you know, maybe we're not going to have this Intel partnership at all.

• 20:49Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 20:50Speaker 04

  Yeah. Well, also, at that time, people were still seriously believing Intel could make a mobile chip worth a damn.

• 20:55Speaker 03

  Right.

• 20:56David Pierce?

  Including Intel.

• 20:57Speaker 03

  Because that was still the time where they were trying to make Atom chips for phones.

• 21:00Speaker 04

  Yep, you could get Atom chips for phones.

• 21:02Nilay Patel?

  Did you bring a netbook with you?

• 21:03Speaker 04

  You could go get a TIO map if you want.

• 21:04David Pierce?

  I was gonna say, do you remember that, like, one phone that it came with? It was like Intel and Firefox OS, and they were like, "This is the future."

• 21:12Speaker 03

  And I, I don't think the phone ever, like, saw its way off a show floor, off of like a CES or a, a, yeah.

• 21:18Nilay Patel?

  Mego. I'm just saying names of things that we were made to be.

• 21:21Speaker 03

  Mego, yes. Mego, Intel.

• 21:23Nilay Patel?

  There was Mambo, and there was, this is compelling radio, an even more compelling stage show. I believe it.

• 21:30Speaker 03

  To answer your question, I did not bring a netbook today.

• 21:35Nilay Patel?

  Tomorrow. Tomorrow. We're adding to the programming. Tomorrow, Joanna will demo in Asus EPC.

• 21:41Speaker 04

  What thing do we believe today that is as naive as believing Intel could win in phones in 2012, 2013?

• 21:48Nilay Patel?

  Wow.

• 21:51Nilay Patel?

  Someone just yelled Pixel.

• 21:52Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 21:54Nilay Patel?

  It was the happy side of the room.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 21:57Nilay Patel?

  That's the dark lining to that cloud. What do you think, Dieter?

• 22:02Speaker 04

  I mean, it's possible, yeah. I don't know where that ship is going. We gotta see how the phone does.

• 22:07Nilay Patel?

  When we were downstairs hanging out with people, there's a lot of people here at Pixel 6s. Go find them. It's like faster.

• 22:13Speaker 04

  They're around.

• 22:14Nilay Patel?

  They're around. All right, a couple more spins.

• 22:20David Pierce?

  If we don't get to Scissor Vibe, we're doing it anyway.

• 22:28Speaker 04

  The headline is Wii U Sales Slump.

• 22:31David Pierce?

  It's torture.

• 22:32Nilay Patel?

  This is you. This is your fault. I was like, David, buy a Wii U. And you're like, no.

• 22:35David Pierce?

  I've been wrong about a lot of things in my career. I was very right about the Wii U.

• 22:40Nilay Patel?

  All right. We have one more spin and then we're gonna take some questions for a few minutes.

• 22:45David Pierce?

  Can I just say the thing about the Wii U is they made a Wii and they made a Nintendo Switch? Both great ideas, and then they put them together and ruin the whole thing.

• 22:51Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 22:52David Pierce?

  It's incredible.

• 22:53Nilay Patel?

  Do you buy an OLED Switch?

• 22:55David Pierce?

  No. But my Switch, the battery on my current Switch lasts like nine minutes now. You turn it on, the game loads, it's like Zelda, and then it dies. And so, yeah, I need to buy a new one. I just haven't been outside in a year and a half. Like, who needs portable consoles?

• 23:11Nilay Patel?

  Very good. All right, one more spin.

• 23:23David Pierce?

  Aw, Joanna.

• 23:25Speaker 03

  I'm trying to read from the...

• 23:25Speaker 04

  Released in a...

• 23:26Nilay Patel?

  This is your moment, Jess.

• 23:27Speaker 03

  This was my moment.

• 23:28Speaker 04

  BB10, BlackBerry 10 phones.

• 23:29David Pierce?

  I guarantee you Joanna wrote this story. Guaranteed.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  I didn't. I don't think I worked at The Verge when this...

• 23:33David Pierce?

  I don't care. You came back.

• 23:36Speaker 03

  I came back, I wrote this story. I had so much hope.

• 23:40Nilay Patel?

  I'm telling you, this episode of the show is cursed.

• 23:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 23:43Nilay Patel?

  Everything that came up was like, this is dead.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  Dead.

• 23:46Nilay Patel?

  It's dying, or exciting thing announced that we now know died. And like, BB10 is one of those things, they were trying to reboot the company.

• 23:55Speaker 03

  I can't even remember the name of the CEO at the time. Dieter, you know it.

• 23:59Speaker 04

  Thorsten.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  Thorsten.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:01Speaker 03

  Yes, Thorsten Heinz?

• 24:03Speaker 04

  Heinz, yeah.

• 24:03Speaker 03

  Heinz. Right, I interviewed him.

• 24:05Nilay Patel?

  Steven Ebel.

• 24:06Speaker 03

  I remember, right, right, right.

• 24:08Nilay Patel?

  That was a different, bad CEO.

• 24:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:10Speaker 03

  I was thinking him in my mind, though. Like, I saw a picture of Steven Ebel as the CEO of BlackBerry.

• 24:15Speaker 04

  Last year, he hadn't been, he wasn't like totally gone yet. There were, that was like the transition, I believe.

• 24:20Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:21Nilay Patel?

  We were, one of the things in that early moment, where I was like, oh, we might be on to something with The Verge, is that we would write about these platforms, and we would write about the CEOs, and it would be like, BB10 seems done. And then we would, the CEOs would definitely read the coverage, and they'd be like, no, we're in it. And one time, we wrote about Windows Phone, you remember this? And I was like, Steven Ebel.

• 24:43Speaker 04

  I remember everything we wrote about Windows Phone.

• 24:46Nilay Patel?

  And like, Steven Ebel's family got personally mad at me that I had like tarnished his good name. And I was like, I didn't, that wasn't me. It was, you ruined the economy of Finland by yourself. That is your fault. Like, I just said it was on fire.

• 25:05Speaker 03

  The big thing with BB10, there was no Android apps on that, right?

• 25:08Speaker 04

  They did not have Android apps on that, no. They, it wasn't hard to port, I don't think, but they had a decent interface, they had a couple of good ideas.

• 25:16Speaker 03

  Right, but the whole thing that...

• 25:17Nilay Patel?

  They had that unified messaging box.

• 25:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, they had the unified inbox. It was like, you wouldn't, you know, like every home screen, you swipe over to the left and there's like a bunch of junk?

• 25:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  And like on the iPhone, you can choose your own junk, and then on Android phones, you get whatever junk they give you. On BB10, it was your inbox, and it was unified, and it was like a good idea.

• 25:33David Pierce?

  Such a good idea.

• 25:34Speaker 04

  And then, you know, it didn't go anywhere.

• 25:35David Pierce?

  Didn't that, didn't BB10 have... But what were the apps on the Storm, which was the phone that actually clicked when you clicked it? Was that, was that later?

• 25:41Nilay Patel?

  No, that was earlier.

• 25:42Speaker 03

  They had like a full touchscreen version, and then they had version with keyboard.

• 25:46David Pierce?

  Okay.

• 25:47Speaker 03

  And the, and the biggest thing I'm trying to remember is, what were the, what was in the App Store?

• 25:51Speaker 04

  Very little.

• 25:53Speaker 03

  That was the problem.

• 25:54David Pierce?

  Twitter.

• 25:54Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 25:55Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 25:56Nilay Patel?

  I liked that Joanna was like BlackBerry, like, I need to really put myself...

• 25:59Speaker 03

  I...

• 26:00Nilay Patel?

  You were the BlackBerry stan on our team.

• 26:01David Pierce?

  Joanna was my last friend on BBM by like five years.

• 26:06Speaker 03

  I'm still there now. But yeah, no, I remember I was so excited to review the phones and then I remember just zero happening with the phones after.

• 26:15Nilay Patel?

  I think what's interesting, you know, Dieter's got his handspring documented on so it was very, very exciting when I'm pretty tomorrow. But you know how we always talk about how all the ideas and phones are lifted from WebOS? None, none of the ideas are lifted from BB10. No one was like, oh, we should rate that idea.

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• 28:57Nilay Patel?

  Okay. Do we have questions, my people? Are we gonna do it?

• 29:00Speaker 07

  Feel free.

• 29:01Nilay Patel?

  There we go.

• 29:02Speaker 07

  Oh, here we come.

• 29:02Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. I said get up early.

• 29:04Speaker 07

  All right, this question is for... Wow, we're just in it. Yeah, I'm doing it. Yo, what's up? My name's Ken, I'm from over there. Okay. On this side of the room. Yeah. And, uh, the good side, yeah. What is, uh, one que... What is, uh, one job that you had before The Verge that oddly shaped you into the person you are today? That's for all of you. We're going deep.

• 29:24Nilay Patel?

  Uh, David Pierce, you can go first.

• 29:26David Pierce?

  Uh, well, I mean, the, the actual answer to that question is, uh, I interned for David Pogue when he was the tech columnist at the New York Times, because I emailed him and was like, "I'm home for winter break, I have nothing to do, your job seems interesting, can I come, like, clean up your house?" And he let me, and that's how I met Joanna, because she played a fairy in one of his videos.

• 29:51David Pierce?

  I have a link I will send to anyone who would like to see it. And, and that was, it was all over from there.

• 29:58Speaker 03

  I would actually say that The Verge prepared me for my jobs after, because for me, The Verge, like, I carry with me so much that I learned from the people I worked with at The Verge, these two, specifically this one, who I always try to keep working with, but then he leaves me. And I think that the experience of working with that team and getting the experience of just being so deep into the tech has, had just, just paved the way for me.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, before The Verge, I had founded Android Central and I have a bunch of stuff, but the, I guess the thing that shaped me was, I bombed out of grad school. I went, I was gonna be a PhD in English Lit and study semiotics, and I learned that it's possible to care a lot about things that other people don't care about, but still find a way to make it interesting, and it's way harder with semiotics than it is with tech, uh, and so that, like, that was my training. Also, it's okay to bomb out of grad school.

• 30:49Nilay Patel?

  Yeah.

• 30:55Nilay Patel?

  This side of the room found its identity.

• 30:58Nilay Patel?

  They're all emailing their moms right now. I had a tech support job in college. I know all of you thought I was gonna say lawyer. No, that was just, I gotta get out of that. Don't do that. Drop out of that school if you're in it. No, I had a tech support job in college where I worked in the basement of the library. And I realized no one, everyone cared about getting the thing done, but no one cared that I knew how to fix it. Right? And that gap between how it works and what it does is like all I think about all the time. Like, we take it for granted. Okay, this other room.

• 31:28Speaker 05

  Guys, my name's Rob from Seattle. Burning question of mine for a while. Neelai and Dieter, what's the story behind your Twitter handles?

• 31:35Nilay Patel?

  Oh no, Dieter, Dieter's like, Dieter dropped out of grad school. Remember how I mentioned I went to grad school for semiotics? Go ahead. Yeah, it's a, it's a cool word and I was early. And now I fend off weirdos who wanna buy it on a weekly basis. That's it, that's the whole story. I believe that language is created by humans and we make it up as we go. And it is one of our superpowers and so I made up a word.

• 32:00Speaker 05

  Thanks.

• 32:02Speaker 08

  Hey guys, Neil from Brooklyn. So we just went through 10 years ago what you were writing about, reading about. What do you want to be reading and writing about 10 years from now? Facebook drama.

• 32:14Nilay Patel?

  Joanna, go ahead and take this one. What'd you say?

• 32:17Speaker 08

  Facebook drama.

• 32:20Speaker 03

  BlackBerry.

• 32:22Nilay Patel?

  That'd be great. If we, like, this room could kickstart a new BlackBerry together.

• 32:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 32:27Nilay Patel?

  Like, that's what we should accomplish at the end of this party. I would say more seriously, right? Like, every company is tired of what it's doing right now. Which is just a weird theme. Apple's like, "We're gonna do health." And Facebook's like, "We're gonna rebrand our company." Like, every company seems bored. I think it's a really rich place for other kinds of on, like, big companies are bad at doing things. Have you noticed? And it's a rich space for other people to invent other kinds of things. So I'm hoping that we spend more time writing about new companies and new competition instead of the set that we have been for some time.

• 33:00Speaker 03

  One of the big things that, I went back and listened to a 2011 podcast I did with... Neelai and Josh, and I was reviewing at the time a SUSE Transformer laptop tablet thing. And it was like a really new idea. I said on the podcast, "No, I think like, Apple's gonna do this kind of thing." And Neelai, I wrote down the quote on my phone, but he was basically like, "They're not gonna make keyboard docs. It's not a thing that Apple's gonna do." And I think like, in 10 years from now, we're still talking about ideas about what other companies are doing and other companies should be doing, and predicting or thinking about the pieces that can form the future, or form the gadgets of the future. I think we'll still be in a good place.

• 33:40Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. I think Joanna came prepared with a dunk from a 2011 podcast. Over here.

• 33:46Speaker 09

  My name's Harlan, and I was curious, like, it's been a lot of reflecting on how important the App Store was for the iPhone to be a success. And for the App Store, like the Citi Store and like other jailbroken, I was wondering if you think it's worth revisiting the Citi Store and the apps before the App Store?

• 34:05Nilay Patel?

  Maybe. I mean, it's just another App Store. If they had been successful, they would have just be App Store. I think like, we will see what happens with all this litigation, but ultimately, they're your phones. Like, I think, I feel that very deeply. Like, I paid a lot of money for this phone, I should be able to do whatever I want with it. And the world seems not organized in that way. But having one other competitor is just a recipe for the same... Like, AT&T and Verizon are not competitive. They're like, friends. Right? Like, one raises prices, the other one raises prices. Like, I think we need more than that. What do you think? I think so too. All right, over here.

• 34:40Speaker 10

  Hi, my name is James from the stage left side of the audience.

• 34:43Nilay Patel?

  We're gonna end up, we're gonna like, leave with like, t-shirts. Like, oh, it's great.

• 34:47Speaker 10

  I've been listening to The Vergecast since the beginning, back when it was a video podcast. #BringBackTheVideoPodcast. You guys did at one point a, like, explain the inside-baseball memes of The Verge and The Vergecast, but one that I never had answered, and I think you guys actually may have answered it tonight, but I've always wanted to know, what is with the joke of being broken up with by Joanna Stern in a Chili's tube?

• 35:13Speaker 03

  You were, I feel like it's your story to tell, if you can do it without crying.

• 35:23Nilay Patel?

  Not actually break up. Joanna and I are very close.

• 35:25Speaker 03

  Let's say that. We should definitely be clear about that.

• 35:27Nilay Patel?

  We should be very clear about that. We're very close. We're very good friends. Startups are very hard, right? So The Verge was a startup. And Joanna told me she was leaving The Verge after CES. Fine. All that's fine. After CES, in a Chili's, is like an emotionally devastating, ruinous thing to do to another. In an airport Chili's. Yeah, the airport Chili's on the way out. Right? Like, it's fine. Go have your career. I get it, the Wall Street. Great. You're like, I'm gonna find you at your lowest post. At the worst place in America. And I'm like, I'm leaving your startup that we started together. That's my version.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  And it was not only like, it wasn't a Chili's, it was a Chili's 2. And it was over breakfast at Chili's. It was a very hard moment for me.

• 36:11Nilay Patel?

  And then we got on a plane together.

• 36:16Speaker 03

  It was a very hard moment for me. And clearly very hard for Neela.

• 36:20Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, so we joke about it.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  We were not, in fact, really dating. Let's be clear.

• 36:24Nilay Patel?

  No, not at all.

• 36:25Speaker 03

  I went to Neela's wedding. Neela came to my wedding.

• 36:27Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, but it's funnier to say it that way. Once a year on Twitter. And then to text her and be like, I tweeted the thing again. Over here.

• 36:35Speaker 07

  Hi, Ajay Ajari. I am, well, was, one of the moderators at The Verge. So, at Polygon. So, yeah. Shout out to Eric Biggerin and Sean McElroy. So Eric's in the audience right now. But what I wanted to ask is, two questions. So, should people read the comments? And should people that actually, you know, try to complain about Section 230 actually have to read the comments? Because I, every single day, I hear about people complain about Section 230. And I'm like, as a moderator, none of you actually fundamentally understand what Section 230 is.

• 37:19Speaker 04

  Yes, and super yes.

• 37:22Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Ted Cruz, read The Verge comments. Yeah, that's what I got for you. I will say this, you know, we have had forums, we turned them off, we turned them on again, we turned off the comments, we do all that stuff. We are, we haven't, we're not ready. We are redesigning our website. It will come out next year. We have huge ideas, and we have big ideas to make our community stuff better. Because I, again, it's strange that The Verge is a, the audience feels like a community, right? The thing I would say is, it's a big thing that feels small. And I want to make it keep feeling small, and the way to do that is to make our comments good, which is easier said than done, so keep an eye on us. But I will, if I talk to Ted, dude AJ, he's got something to say to you.

• 37:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 37:59Nilay Patel?

  It'd be great if we just sent our moderators to Congress.

• 38:02Speaker 07

  Honestly, like, if any congressional member, especially Cory Booker, since he's a New Jersey rep, and I'm in New Jersey, wants to learn from a moderator, you can hit me up. I'm on Twitter, @CoryElsin.

• 38:12Nilay Patel?

  That's great. All right. I think we can do one or two more over here.

• 38:18Speaker 11

  Verge mobile show or an uncut Vergecast feed? Are you ever gonna do it?

• 38:21Nilay Patel?

  What would a Verge mobile show be that our show isn't?

• 38:25Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 38:26Nilay Patel?

  I mean, all we talk about is phones. That's like a complicated.

• 38:28David Pierce?

  I just haven't heard Dieter say greetings, mobile accomplishers, in so long.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  When I, when I host the Tuesday shows, I start with it sometimes.

• 38:36David Pierce?

  I know, but like, it's not the same. They're not mobile accomplishers.

• 38:38Nilay Patel?

  And we're doing this live right now, like, it's useful, we have an audience, it's fun. We are very convinced that editing our show makes us sound smarter. And that, like, making it, when we turned off the video feed, our downloads went way up. Like, people like our show better when we are not being idiots on video. We're very good at video, our video team is here, like, Dieter made a documentary with that. I'm just pretty convinced that I have a face for radio, so I'm gonna just, like, stick with that. All right, one more over here.

• 39:08Speaker 12

  Hey y'all, my name's Conrad from San Francisco. Just wanted to ask, with LG out of the picture, who do you think is the next to make super weird phones that no one wants to buy?

• 39:16Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 39:20Nilay Patel?

  Brutal.

• 39:21Speaker 04

  TCL wants to be the next LG, which is like, the saddest ambition ever.

• 39:27Nilay Patel?

  But yeah, if I had to guess, I'd say if TCL can actually pull off some of the prototypes that they've been working on, they're gonna make the next Weird Phones. What do you think? You love Weird Phones.

• 39:35Speaker 03

  I love Weird Phones.

• 39:36Nilay Patel?

  You just got misty about BB10 for like a while.

• 39:39Speaker 03

  I miss Weird Phones. HTC, I miss some Weird Phones from them, too.

• 39:43Nilay Patel?

  Yeah. Remember we had an entire running riff about the HTC Bacon?

• 39:47Speaker 03

  Or the HTC Rhyme, which was like our first big scoop at the "This is my next." Yeah, I don't have a...I think TCL's a good answer right now. No one else wants to get into phones. Maybe Google. I think that might just be Google.

• 39:59Nilay Patel?

  That'd be real.

• 40:00Speaker 13

  Hey, guys. Zach from Long Island. So, I, like many iPhone users, am locked into iMessage.

• 40:07Nilay Patel?

  Oh, man.

• 40:08Speaker 13

  And I was thinking about it of like, what would it take for Apple to bring iMessage to Android? And I think that, you know, they would want in on the money. So, what do you think of iMessage coming to Android, but it being a paid monthly service? What do you think the cost would be? And would you do it?

• 40:26Speaker 03

  The answer's no, because they would not make as much money.

• 40:29David Pierce?

  It would have to be $1,000 a year.

• 40:32Speaker 03

  It would have to be... It would have to be the cost of an iPhone and everything else that you pay for on your iPhone.

• 40:39David Pierce?

  That's true. It'd have to be like $2,000 a year.

• 40:41Speaker 03

  Yeah. Add in Arcade Plus and News Plus.

• 40:45David Pierce?

  Weirdly, I'm sitting here being like, "I'd probably pay that."

• 40:47Speaker 03

  Sorry, I answered that really quickly. You guys...

• 40:51Nilay Patel?

  No, it's totally...

• 40:52Speaker 03

  I think about it a lot.

• 40:53Nilay Patel?

  I think that's my answer. I don't think Apple is bringing iMessage to Android unless, like, the full power of the United States government is deployed against them. Like, Tim Cook is like, "It's the military. Like, I'm just sending..." The army is going to the spaceship, and they're gonna make iMessage for Android. And Tim Cook would be like, "I don't know. We have a lot of money. We're gonna buy an army. Let's see how this goes."

• 41:12Speaker 13

  Yeah.

• 41:13Nilay Patel?

  But yeah.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  But if you go to Dieter's Twitter feed today, he had like four impossible tips for bringing...

• 41:21Nilay Patel?

  Yeah, no, it's very difficult. Including rubber banding your two phones together. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so I just wanna call out two things. One, someone just screamed RCS at us. It's a first chat now. It was this side of the audience.

• 41:32David Pierce?

  Your side really picking it up recently.

• 41:33Nilay Patel?

  That side was just whispering amongst themselves. This side delivered. Second, what we are referring to is Casey and I stat today was like, "Man, I want an Android phone. Can't get rid of iMessage." And Dieter was like, "Here's my plan." And Casey replies with, "That seems complicated."

• 41:48Nilay Patel?

  This man has like customized everything he's ever

• 41:52Speaker 03

  I think it involves running a server in your house.

• 41:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. You need to have a Mac that's running all the time. And there are a couple of different apps that will basically forward your iMessages to your Android phone.

• 42:02Nilay Patel?

  So Dieter reviews a lot of phones. Every now and again, in like hardware season, I'm like, I'd like to send Dieter a text message.

• 42:09Speaker 04

  And I don't get it.

• 42:11Nilay Patel?

  And it's like, and I'm like, Dieter, did you get my text? And he's literally like, iMessage.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:15Nilay Patel?

  Cause it doesn't turn off.

• 42:16Speaker 04

  But I have good news. If you're an Android user, the same disappearing text problems hits RCS now too, so.

• 42:23Nilay Patel?

  That's right.

• 42:23Speaker 04

  Everybody wins.

• 42:24Nilay Patel?

  All right, we got to RCS. I feel like we have to end it here. It's only sideways from here. I got an Oren riff. I want to say thank you to all of you for coming. I want to say thank you to Joanna and David for joining us on the stage. It is crazy that we're able to throw this party. At one point Joanna did throw water.

• 42:44Speaker 03

  I'm very sorry. I said I was sorry, Tim.

• 42:46Nilay Patel?

  Okay.

• 42:46Speaker 03

  I'm not really.

• 42:47Speaker 04

  She's not sorry.

• 42:48Nilay Patel?

  We appreciate you. We've got a great party. All the stuff downstairs, all the stuff tomorrow. That's it. That's for our cast. Rock and roll.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  Rock and roll.

• 43:00Speaker 03

  Rock and roll.

• 43:01Nilay Patel?

  You did it.

• 43:02Speaker 03

  I said, Mike does not.

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