Psychic Ability 101: Stop Absorbing Others’ Pain & Discover Your Specific Intuitive Gift | Dr. Helané Wahbeh

What if everything you thought you knew about channeling is wrong? Dr. Helané Wahbeh (Director of Research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and author of The Science of Channeling) reveals the science, psychology, and real-world practice behind one of the world's most misunderstood phenomena. In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, she shares how she unexpectedly began trance channeling as a child after witnessing her grandparents' séance sessions, and answers the biggest questions people have about channeling today. You'll discover: - Who are people really channeling? Spirit guides, higher self, deceased loved ones, or something else? - Can one person channel multiple beings? - Crucial differences between channeling, trance channeling, and mediumship - How renowned channelers like Lee Harris & Darryl Anka actually channel, and what makes their approaches different - Can anyone learn to channel? How to discover your natural channeling style and why your genetics may influence your intuitive strengths - Are you neurodivergent... or are you awakening to latent psi abilities? - Surprising difference between intuition and psychic ability - Hidden ways you're already receiving nonlocal information without realizing it - How channeling can dramatically improve your everyday life in ways most people never consider - Shocking ways unseen "Noetic Signatures" may be influencing your thoughts, emotions, health, and life, and how they can quietly sabotage you if you don't recognize them - 12 characteristics of Noetic Signatures and how to tell them apart from ordinary physical sensations - Can your Noetic Signature change over time? Why most people actually have multiple signatures. - Importance of energetic boundaries and practical energetic maintenance habits everyone should know - Science behind the chakra system and what current research suggests - Why intention is one of the most important factors when channeling and how to use it effectively - Why ego-clearing practices like psychotherapy, hypnosis, and self-awareness are essential for receiving clearer information - How unconscious personality patterns act as filters that can distort channeled messages - Why balancing intellect and intuition is critical, and how to avoid outsourcing your personal power to channeled information - Why so many people feel disconnected from their extrasensory abilities, and how our externally focused culture may be contributing Whether you're deeply experienced with channeling or simply curious about consciousness, intuition, and the frontiers of human potential, this conversation bridges rigorous scientific research with practical spiritual exploration in a grounded and thought-provoking way. 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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Everybody has the capacity to channel, but our culture is so externally focused.

• 0:06Mayim Bialik?

  Is there science of channeling?

• 0:07Speaker 00

  Can we definitively prove in some way? Telepathy, precognition, clairvoyance? We're getting there.

• 0:15Mayim Bialik?

  How many of us are shutting it off?

• 0:17Speaker 00

  I want to shift the conversation for people from "do I have it or don't I?" To "what's my unique way of expressing it?" When people tap into this noetic wisdom, their decision-making improves, their health improves, their relationships improve.

• 0:31Mayim Bialik?

  Dr. Helene Wabe is the Director of Research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences. She's best known for her pioneering research on the science of channeling. What is an exorcism?

• 0:42Speaker 00

  It's just these very dense beings that haven't moved on. Some are positive, some are negative. Chakras are energy vortices in different parts of the body. Imagine your crown chakra like an aperture of a camera. We do not want to walk around the world with our channeling aperture wide open. It is not healthy.

• 1:06Jonathan Cohen?

  Can you describe other ways that people get information that they don't realize?

• 1:21Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Iam Viallick.

• 1:23Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 1:24Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to our Breakdown. What if the sensations, gut feelings, visions, synchronicities that you have experienced are actually not random and they're not all in your head? Today, we're going to explore the scientific research behind channeling, intuition, psychic abilities, telepathy, precognition, energy healing, and non-local consciousness.

• 1:52Jonathan Cohen?

  We are also going to explore exorcisms. And if extraterrestrials are actually speaking through channelers.

• 2:02Mayim Bialik?

  Today, we're speaking with Dr. Helene Wabe. She is the Director of Research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences. And if you don't know what the Institute of Noetic Sciences is, you have to check it out. There is an entire clinical research facility dedicated to understanding extrasensory perception, the paranormal, parapsychology. It's a fascinating institute. And Dr. Wabe also leads rigorous interdisciplinary research on consciousness, health, and extended human capacity. She's received a five-year National Institutes of Health that's NIH K Award for Advanced Training in Clinical Research in Neuroscience, in electrophysiology, and biostatistics. Dr. Wabe is especially known

• 2:45Mayim Bialik?

  for her pioneering research on channeling. She's authored more than 100 peer-reviewed journal articles. And she brings 25 years of a dedicated meditation practice to her work at the frontiers of noetic science. We're going to be discussing "The Science of Channeling," a really, really fantastic book. Why you should trust your intuition and embrace the force that connects us all. If you've ever wondered, what is the science behind all of the paranormal things that so many of us either experience, have questions about, or have doubts about? Dr. Wabe is going to walk us through all of it. It's an incredible episode. Make sure to join us over on Substack. We have some exercises that Dr. Wabe is doing with us that is available only for our community over on Substack.

• 3:29Mayim Bialik?

  Whether you're interested in channeling, telepathy, consciousness research, Reiki and energy healing, extraterrestrial contact, chakras, spirituality, psi phenomena, or the future of science itself, this conversation is going to challenge how you think about reality. What a pleasure to welcome in person Dr. Wabe to the Breakdown.

• 3:52Speaker 00

  Thank you so much. I'm so honored to be here with you.

• 3:55Mayim Bialik?

  We're very excited to have you here because one of the topics that gets the most attention here is channeling. And you are literally the authority on not just channeling, but the science of channeling. Is there science of channeling? How can we study it? How can we distinguish between imagination and reality? Where can we begin in terms of your personal connection with channeling?

• 4:22Speaker 00

  I think I have a very unique story that I bring to the topic of channeling and the science of channeling specifically. And so, you know, you heard in my background, I have this, you know, clinical training, academic training. But what people don't hear about in my background is my actual personal experience of channeling as a child growing up. And my introduction to this was at my grandparents' house at 10 years old, which was basically a spiritualist séance that I showed up in my grandparents' living room. And there are about, you know, 30, 40 people in the space, sitting in a circle. And my grandmother and my uncle

• 5:06Speaker 00

  were doing something that, you know, we called trance-channeling.

• 5:10Mayim Bialik?

  Can you tell us a little bit about your family history? Like your ethnic background? Who is your family?

• 5:17Speaker 00

  So I'm actually Palestinian-American. And my family is from a little town outside of Jerusalem called Berzet. It's a university town. And they, you know, my family's been there for, you know, multiple millennia. And obviously, that is a very intense war-torn area. And my grandfather had an incredible opportunity to come to the States after the Six-Day War. And so, he brought his family to the San Francisco Bay Area.

• 5:50Mayim Bialik?

  It's also a very rich spiritual tradition. This is a family that has spiritual kind of identity that you got to step into.

• 5:59Speaker 00

  So what's really fascinating, I was raised Orthodox Christian. And my great uncle was actually an Orthodox priest. And he was a specialist in exorcisms, which is another very fascinating background. So, you know, very traditional Christian background. And yet, my grandfather was just on fire with these deeper spiritual questions. And he learned about the spiritualists, you know, that really had their big heyday in the 1800s. And he just, he would send letters to people in England. He got so excited about this. And he would accompany his uncle, my great uncle, to these various exorcisms and to these various people's houses

• 6:44Speaker 00

  where people would go into trance states and do all these strange things. So he was a scholar, very excited to learn about this. And one day, he brought his young wife with him to one of these experiences. And all of a sudden, she goes into a trance and starts speaking in a voice that was not her own. And he discovered that she was actually a trance channel. And of course, he was secretly very, very excited because now he could just study it in his own family. So that was kind of the beginning of this big adventure for him. And so, that was his life's mission, was to essentially prove, if you will, the spiritual aspect of reality

• 7:28Speaker 00

  and our kind of a spiritualist worldview, that spirits exist, that they can support us and help us. We can be in conversation with them. We're definitely more than these physical bodies. And how we can use that to enrich our lives.

• 7:47Mayim Bialik?

  So you're 10 years old.

• 7:49Speaker 00

  I'm 10 years old.

• 7:50Mayim Bialik?

  And you, were you aware that your family has this rich spiritual mystical connection?

• 7:58Speaker 00

  I knew about it, but it was from a 10-year-old perspective. Like, oh, okay, here's this thing. You know, my mother would do hands-on healing, like if I had a stomach ache and stuff like that. So there was that aspect of it. But, and I didn't really know. My mom gave me no context. Like, she's like, oh, we're just going to Tatancito's house. I'm like, okay. So I show up there and I was like, whoa, what's going on here? So that was really fascinating. And, you know, as a child, I was a little nervous because I'm like, are they going to jump in me?

• 8:35Mayim Bialik?

  What does it look like to walk into a trance exorcism situation?

• 8:40Speaker 00

  Yeah, well, this specific one wasn't an exorcism. So the traditional way that they worked it is that, you know, my grandmother or my uncle would go into a trance state. And they would just say, welcome, you know, here I am. And then people would ask questions. You know, whether it was personal questions or deep spiritual philosophical questions. And then they would share an answer. And, you know, my grandfather recorded all this. And people gained a lot of...

• 9:10Speaker 00

  Solace and information, you know, similar to what people might gain from a mediumistic or channeling session today. But it was just done in a, in a group setting. And so people would go around and ask questions, or sometimes whoever was speaking would direct information to a specific person. And so they weren't charging any money. This was not publicly advertised. This wasn't done for fame or fortune at all. It was really a deep spiritual quest for understanding of, you know, who are we? What are we doing here? Like, what's our purpose on this planet?

• 9:50Speaker 00

  And so I think for me, as Hellenae, the person, you know, I have a deeper sense of believingness, if you will, because these are my relatives who I know so deeply. And like, there's no reason for them to fake it.

• 10:09Mayim Bialik?

  Sure.

• 10:09Speaker 00

  And my grandmother is not, wasn't an actress. Like, there's no way she could have created or manufactured those voices.

• 10:19Mayim Bialik?

  There's kind of two camps here, right? That everything happening is theatrical, and it is conjured, and it is fake, and the people that are doing it know that it's fake. That is kind of one category, right? But this other category where, you know, your book resides is in this place where the people who are experiencing this are experiencing something real. It is real to them. It has a tremendous impact and significance. And it's not that they're crazy, right? By all clinical standards, these are not people who are mentally ill. It's this, these are not schizophrenic, you know, delusions. These are not hallucinations.

• 11:01Mayim Bialik?

  There's something happening where people are tuned into a different frequency that most of us are not accessing on the daily. And that is rippling out in ways that are not only important, but clinically significant. Is that, does that feel right in terms of these two perspectives?

• 11:19Speaker 00

  Yes, 100%. And, you know, the human mind gets really stuck on, well, what actually is the source? You know, like, people, that's almost always the first question.

• 11:29Mayim Bialik?

  Is there any other questions asked?

• 11:31Speaker 00

  I know, right? So, so with my scientist hat on, I can say, we cannot definitively say what the source actually is. You know, as far as I know, we don't have the tools to be able to definitively prove that this is some non-physical being that's communicating through them. And so I really invite people to focus less on what the source is and more on what the content is. And what is the content? Does it support us? Is it resonant? Does it help my life in any way? Is it telling me to go jump off a bridge? Okay, there's something not right there, right? But if it's actually giving me useful information that's actionable in my life, and I take

• 12:15Speaker 00

  action on it, and my life becomes better, and I have better quality of life or improved health, then on some level, it almost doesn't matter what the source is. And then if I can take that one step further, you know, if we want to hold this premise that we are all interconnected in some way, that even if it is showing up as a separate non-physical entity, personality, on a larger scale, that's still some aspect of myself.

• 12:45Mayim Bialik?

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• 16:55Jonathan Cohen?

  In your family, did it have a personality? Did it come through as something? You know, there are many channelers now that have a pretty elaborate story as to what they're connecting to, and that seems to be part of the suspension of disbelief that, you know, there's, it helps the rational mind sort of settle in. And each one of them still say, focus on the information. Is this beneficial? It's less important as to where it's coming from rationally than the fact that it's coming and helping you. But in your family lineage, was there an exploration of personality, voice, characteristic, or where it was coming from?

• 17:34Speaker 00

  Yes, there definitely was. So I know you've spoken to Darryl Anka and Lee Harris, who are wonderful channelers. And they're, you know, one type of channeler who channels the same supposed being, right? So, you know, Daryl's Bashar, Lee Harris is these. So, but that's not all types of trans channelers. So there's trans channelers who don't have one specific entity, if you will, that's coming through them, and it really depends on who they're sitting with. And so that was the case in my family. There wasn't a specific...

• 18:12Mayim Bialik?

  It was just an open channel.

• 18:13Speaker 00

  It was an open, but protected channel.

• 18:16Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, no, but what I mean is, open to everybody.

• 18:19Jonathan Cohen?

  Well, protected as, as you don't want dark entities coming in.

• 18:22Speaker 00

  Exactly.

• 18:23Jonathan Cohen?

  But was there recurring entities or recurring characters, and I put "characters" in air quotes, that were coming through? Like, you think about Abraham Hicks, for example, and people who are channeling sort of on repeat. It sounds like there were a variety of different types of information that came through, but I would assume, and this is a big assumption, that there are repeated, you know, again, I don't know what else to call them besides characters.

• 18:50Speaker 00

  Yes. So my uncle Zaher was, had the, they called the universal mind, which was essentially a group voice of higher wisdom. So that very commonly came through. In fact, he automatically wrote a book called From a Gun to a Flower that he put out there and just recently wrote, channeled another book similarly. And so...

• 19:22Speaker 00

  There are some channelers who say, if you channel more than one being, you're not a real channeler. And I completely do not ascribe to them.

• 19:30Mayim Bialik?

  Why do they say that? What's all the channeler politics?

• 19:32Speaker 00

  Well, so funny. I mean, just like any other field, um, you know, egos can sometimes get involved. Um, but I don't know the rationale for that. I learned that when I was at a Gaia conference on channeling. And I found that very fascinating because that hasn't been my experience at all. And, you know, you look at mediumistic sessions and so, you know, someone's there for a specific purpose to connect with a specific, um, person.

• 20:03Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 20:04Speaker 00

  And so it's, it's very similar for trance channeling in that, you know, sometimes, often it is the person's spiritual guides or a spokesperson of them. Again, quotes, quotes, quotes, quotes.

• 20:20Speaker 00

  Cause I have to balance the scientist hat versus personal hat.

• 20:24Mayim Bialik?

  Can you help us understand just sort of the definitions between channeling, mediumship, psychics, and in particular trance channeling within channeling?

• 20:35Speaker 00

  Yes. So this was one of my hugest frustrations when I joined this field is that there were so many terms and often the same term had different definitions for different people. So let me just tell you how I think about it. So I use the word channeling as a broad umbrella definition that actually encompasses what you would call psychic as well. And so, um, channeling is this process of accessing information and energy from beyond our conventional notions of time and space. And it can appear receptive or expressive.

• 21:15Speaker 00

  And that, you know, I propose that everybody has the capacity to channel in some way. But that the way it shows up for that person is really quite unique. And so what we know through the research is that there is a diversity of ways that channeling shows up from, you know, run of the mill gut hunches on one side of the spectrum to things like mental mediumship and trance channeling. And then in between you have precognition and telepathy and psychokinesis, a remote viewing, et cetera. And so, um, so that's the broad definition. Now, I mentioned that extreme side of the spectrum of trance channeling

• 21:58Speaker 00

  and mental mediumship. So I consider trance channeling a slice of this larger channeling umbrella. So trance channelers believe that their body is used as a vehicle for a non-physical being to speak through them.

• 22:15Mayim Bialik?

  It's an embodiment.

• 22:16Speaker 00

  It is an embodiment. So there's no, um, middle person, if you will. So with consent, the supposed non-physical being uses their library of their mind, their voice box to speak, sometimes to write, sometimes to move. Okay? So that is, and some people would call trance channeling trance mediumship. That is the same thing. However, mental mediumship is different. And so that's what you'll, you know, see in the popular media, all the mediums, et cetera. And so, and you'll see this when you see those sessions.

• 22:57Speaker 00

  They'll say, I'm getting, you know, the symbol, I'm seeing the rose or I, you know, is this Uncle Joe because he's showing me the car?

• 23:06Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 23:06Speaker 00

  So they're receiving information, whether that's auditory or visual or sense in their bodies. And then they translate it to the sitter. So, so there's a middle person and I'm not saying one's better than the other.

• 23:23Mayim Bialik?

  Got it.

• 23:24Speaker 00

  But the, the process of it is quite different.

• 23:27Jonathan Cohen?

  So Daryl and Lee would be trance channelers as they go into, the character almost takes over their physical being.

• 23:34Speaker 00

  Exactly. So Lee isn't hearing the Z's and then repeating.

• 23:38Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 23:39Speaker 00

  Daryl isn't either, although he describes it more of a telepathic connection. Um, so, uh, so yeah, it's different. And so my relatives and myself, I've since learned how to do trance channeling, which is, we can talk about, which was so amazingly cool. There's no awareness of what words are going to come out of your mouth next. It is the most incredible experience I've ever had in my life.

• 24:07Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, you can't imagine, like, if you, if you don't know what that's like, I can't imagine, because I only can imagine the command that I have over my mind. Right? It's like my, my most proud tool, which apparently is not going to serve me well in the afterlife, but that's what I, that's what I think of as like the best example of my development as a human, right? Meaning in the Western cognitive-based rationalist, materialist.

• 24:34Jonathan Cohen?

  Maybe you've taken it as far as it will help you and now you have to let it.

• 24:38Mayim Bialik?

  It's time to get off the train.

• 24:40Jonathan Cohen?

  You have to let it relax.

• 24:42Mayim Bialik?

  Taken the train as far as it can go.

• 24:44Jonathan Cohen?

  Okay. Well, here's a, here's a big question. And, and we get dividing, uh, perspectives on this. You, you say everyone has the ability to do this. We've heard, so you, you have, some people have the ability and it cannot be taught.

• 24:59Mayim Bialik?

  I, I consider myself a mediocre piano player. And you could sit me for thousands and thousands of hours with the finest classical, you know, uh, instructor on the planet. I'm never going to re, like, there's a ceiling effect based on my genetics, my, like, whatever.

• 25:16Jonathan Cohen?

  Can mime learn how to channel is the real question.

• 25:19Mayim Bialik?

  I don't know that we want that.

• 25:20Jonathan Cohen?

  Given, given the.

• 25:21Mayim Bialik?

  I don't know that we want it.

• 25:22Jonathan Cohen?

  The control of her mind over everything else.

• 25:25Mayim Bialik?

  No, but I think, I think that is the question. Is there a point that people who are complete novices can be taught this set of skills? Because the reason that I also asked you about your family is like, I believe that there is something in you that has been there for however long we'd like to imagine. That's your, like, your lineage has gifted you, right? With something so special.

• 25:47Jonathan Cohen?

  But your lineage has also gifted you.

• 25:49Mayim Bialik?

  But it's been diluted by all the other, the Eastern European input. My mother is part Hungarian and Hungarian women in particular are known to be,

• 26:00Mayim Bialik?

  they have some special abilities. But I'm wondering if my grandmother had married a Hungarian, it would have been more pure. It's been diluted by Poland and Ukraine. I don't have that strength of power is the way I see it. Can that be taught?

• 26:17Speaker 00

  Yes, is the short answer. So here's how we're thinking about it at Ions, that it is nature and nurture. And so I really, and do, um, propose that we really do all have the capacity for some type of channeling.

• 26:35Mayim Bialik?

  You have to be open to it too.

• 26:37Speaker 00

  You have to be open to it, but the type of channeling that you may, uh, eventually do well at is not going to be the same for everybody. And I do believe that that is partly determined by your genetics. And I can talk about the genetic studies that we've done. And so, just like you said, just like with any other skill, there are, there's a curve, right? So I'm five two, I'm never going to be the NBA basketball player, but I could dribble the ball and make the basket.

• 27:08Mayim Bialik?

  And we could say yay.

• 27:10Speaker 00

  And I could practice every day and I could actually get better. But I'm never going to be the superstar. Not everybody's going to be the talented superstar. But if you took anybody off the street, they could develop some type of channeling ability, whether that's gut hunches. Now, we have this whole other program called the Noetic Signature, which is really diving into people's unique expression of it. So for example, I get goosebumps, right? My truth bumps, a lot of people get that, but a lot of people don't. And, and they might actually just get, you know, downloads or packets of information that just show up for them.

• 27:53Speaker 00

  Or they might get visuals or they might hear words. And so. I guess I want to shift the conversation for people from do I have it or don't I to what's my unique way of expressing it? And how do I discover that? And how do I build to my strengths and really work towards expanding my intuitive capacity to support me? Because what we do see over and over and over again is that when people tap into this noetic wisdom, their lives improve, their decision making improves, their health improves, their relationships improve.

• 28:32Speaker 00

  And so there is a benefit to building this capacity regardless of what that looks like. And then also inviting people to stay away from the competitiveness about it. Just because, you know, so and so's like this amazing remote viewer doesn't mean you have to be. Your expression could be completely different.

• 28:54Mayim Bialik?

  I kind of feel like I need you to hug me while you tell me that.

• 28:56Speaker 00

  And it's totally okay. And so what's mine?

• 29:01Mayim Bialik?

  And that is literally chapter eight, you know, of your book. And I literally, I dog eared that immediately because this notion, and there's also, I mean, it's such a fun book because there's all these different questionnaires and we're going to do one for Substack so that people can see the kind of examples you give. But there are ways to gauge, and I love that that's the clinical kind of perspective that you're bringing to this work. There are ways to quantify and qualify, right? What is actually your kind of uniqueness and your signature? And one of the things that I was thinking of was how many people, I mean, possibly all of us, are walking around and there's information that's available to us. It's there. But how many of us are shutting it off?

• 29:46Mayim Bialik?

  How many of us are numbing it away, right? With drugs, with alcohol, with work, like whatever it is? Like, everything's out there and every theoretical physicist and astrophysicist we've spoken to has said this, like, information is out there, right? There is stuff out there. Energetically, we know that we have an energy body, right? We interact with other people. We know that we share a microbiome with other people. Like, these things are the things we know, but how many other signs are people getting where they say, no, I need to push that away? That's not it. That's what's interesting to me because if you don't even know kind of what your signature is, you don't even know what's coming in. For some people, a stomach ache that they keep taking medication for, or they think they have an ulcer, or they think this and I gotta go to the doctor. What if, right?

• 30:31Mayim Bialik?

  That's part of the way their body's communicating, you shouldn't be in this relationship, or there's something heavy going on in your life?

• 30:38Speaker 00

  100%. And that was actually the main purpose for me writing that book because until we have some context for people to understand these experiences, they're going to get shoved under the rug or it's going to affect people negatively. Just to give you an example, so, you know, one of the signatures is empathy, clear empathy. So not like your normal empathy, but like picking up on other people's emotions.

• 31:06Mayim Bialik?

  To the point that it's can be distracting or damaging even for you.

• 31:11Speaker 00

  Exactly. And so if people don't know that they're a clear empath and they, you know, say are at a party and then they're, go home and they're like completely exhausted, they are, have a headache, they're totally sick.

• 31:26Mayim Bialik?

  They throw something?

• 31:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, they throw something, whatever. Because there's no awareness of energetic hygiene and management. And so until we start having these conversations, we can't teach people how to manage those energies. We do not want to walk around the world with our channeling aperture wide open. It is not healthy.

• 31:51Mayim Bialik?

  What does that look like?

• 31:53Speaker 00

  It diminishes our ability to be functional and healthy, right? So, you know, at extreme level, if someone's incredibly sensitive and they are in a crowd, they're going to pick up everybody's emotions, all of their thought forms, and be completely overwhelmed. And so I think there is this connection to mental health of people who are unaware of these capacities and without context or support to be able to manage them.

• 32:25Mayim Bialik?

  I have a question that is not something I even thought we would talk about today, but I have to mention it because in this era of social media, in this era of, in many cases, misdiagnosis or misinformation or, you know, a lot of clinical conversations going on in non-clinical settings, how many people identify as neurodivergent who share these kind of qualities and who say, oh, I'm a highly sensitive person, I never knew? A lot of people are being told it means you're on the spectrum, you're neurodivergent. Is it possible that a lot of these people are actually receptive to things that they've never known to define?

• 33:05Speaker 00

  Yes. Although we need a lot more research to actually be able to formally evaluate that. But I would say yes, because I think more and more humans are awakening to this capacity in themselves. And we're in a culture that doesn't quite support it yet. And then it gets a label that, you know, can often have negative connotations.

• 33:35Mayim Bialik?

  Sure. Or it might not be getting you the assistance that you need because there's nothing wrong with being neurodivergent, on the spectrum, a highly sensitive person, I happen to be one. But what if there's more, right?

• 33:46Speaker 00

  Right. And what if those highly sensitive people were taught, you know, hey, here's some exercises to do every morning to help you deal with that and to actually turn down your sensitivity when you go to a concert?

• 33:58Mayim Bialik?

  Literally, I just stopped going. I mean, that was the only, and we've talked about this, like, for me, whatever is, I don't even know that I understand it, but there is something that is too open and it's just, it all is coming in and I'm absorbing all of it is what it feels like. But I don't know that I know how to like, you know, angle around it. So I just don't go places.

• 34:21Jonathan Cohen?

  We have a lot of protocols and ways to audit our thoughts, to work on our body, to think about the food we're eating, but we don't really have a practice or protocol for our energetic health. You know, we're just out there, whatever information is available to us, we don't really know where it's coming from, we don't, we never consider what's in our field, we don't consider what we're connected to, how our thoughts are actually linking us maybe to an energy pattern that could really be destructive to us. So like, I love this idea of like, let's do some maintenance. Let's figure out what we're connected to, what we're tuning into.

• 34:58Speaker 00

  Right. And I think that the opening of that is limited by our whole paradigm shift, right? Because it's shifting, it's definitely changing, as you've witnessed. But in the past, you were labeled as having a mental health illness.

• 35:16Mayim Bialik?

  Crazy.

• 35:17Speaker 00

  If you were experiencing this, or that it was impossible, et cetera. And that just shut down the conversation. So let's let go of that and open the conversation up so that we can start talking about, well, oh, okay, here's my expression, how do I actually manage that? And it really is not that difficult once you engage.

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• 37:15Jonathan Cohen?

  Where do you think the line is between intuition and psychic ability? Because in some ways, psychic ability gets a bad rap because you think about someone with a crystal ball, or you think about someone trying to, you know, be overly prophetic. But it feels like, in many ways, when you are really tuned into your intuition, what you are getting is small increments of psychic knowing.

• 37:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, I wouldn't distinguish the two. I think it's just, again, nomenclature that is trying to describe the...

• 37:49Speaker 00

  The interconnected aspect of reality and that, you know, whether I'm gaining that information intuitively about myself or someone else, some different person would call that a psychic hit.

• 38:03Jonathan Cohen?

  When you describe the goosebump scenario, some people may never identify that that is a sign that something is being communicated to them. Can you describe other ways that people get information that they don't realize they're getting information?

• 38:18Speaker 00

  A nice framework to describe that is the noetic signature program that we went through. So we've done a number of studies and what we found were 12 main characteristics for how people's noetic signature shows up for them.

• 38:35Jonathan Cohen?

  She loves a list.

• 38:36Mayim Bialik?

  I love a list.

• 38:36Speaker 00

  Okay, so, so the first is your general intuition, which comes in three flavors, right? I just know it. It's very mental, comes in cognitively.

• 38:48Jonathan Cohen?

  And that feels just like a thought.

• 38:50Speaker 00

  It's a mental knowledge knowing. I just know that I'm gonna go to this college.

• 38:55Jonathan Cohen?

  Without evidence.

• 38:56Speaker 00

  Without evidence, right? It's just a knowingness.

• 38:59Jonathan Cohen?

  Can it also be like someone says something and you're like, I know that's never gonna happen?

• 39:04Speaker 00

  There is a negative too. Yes, but I don't know, you know, the whole, that's never gonna happen. May not, it might not show up exactly like that. But it may be like a, hey, that's a, don't go there. This is a, ooh, yes, go there.

• 39:18Mayim Bialik?

  You're saying intuition because it's, it's like an intuitive knowing.

• 39:21Speaker 00

  It's a general intuition that has three flavors. The mental, the kind of gut feeling, I just feel that it's true, and emotional. Okay, so that's one, general intuition. Then we have ways that are embodied, right? So we have embodied sensations and those are sensations in the body that signal to us that we're getting noetic information. So goosebumps, hot flash, you know, dizziness. And people learn to identify, oh, okay, I'm, I'm receiving some noetic information right now. Those are called embodied sensations.

• 40:02Mayim Bialik?

  But sometimes you just get chills.

• 40:05Speaker 00

  Yes, that's true.

• 40:06Mayim Bialik?

  Sometimes you just get hot flashes.

• 40:07Speaker 00

  It feels different.

• 40:08Mayim Bialik?

  Sometimes you're dizzy.

• 40:09Speaker 00

  You start discerning.

• 40:10Mayim Bialik?

  Oh. It's not like it, it becomes different.

• 40:15Speaker 00

  Yes, it's like a signal. And then the one I wanted to give you an example, which is really unique, is around physical sensations from other people. Because this one is really fascinating. It's not as common.

• 40:30Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, yeah. Some healers have this.

• 40:32Speaker 00

  Yes, yeah. So let's say, you know, you feel totally fine. You're gonna go have coffee with a friend. You go, you sit down with the person and all of a sudden you have this like splitting headache. What's going on? And you're thinking this to yourself and you're chatting with your friend. And then, you know, 15 minutes in the conversation, they're like, yeah, I've had this horrible headache for, for this long. You're like, oh, that's actually not my headache. That's their headache that I'm feeling. And then usually, once it's acknowledged, it goes away.

• 41:04Mayim Bialik?

  I've had a headaches since Sunday. Is it yours? Would you like to take it back?

• 41:08Jonathan Cohen?

  My head's fine. Who are you tapping into, though?

• 41:11Mayim Bialik?

  You'll hear of people for whom other people's pain is contagious.

• 41:14Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 41:15Mayim Bialik?

  My, my mother's been having sciatica and hand to God, I've never had sciatica. And I have started getting, you know what? I shouldn't even talk about this because she's gonna listen. She's gonna be like, I knew we're connected in the womb. But sometimes healers will describe that when they lay hands or when they're, I'm dropping in, I don't know, that they, they can feel in their body the pain that someone else is feeling. They take it on.

• 41:42Speaker 00

  And they're doing that usually consciously as part of their healing process. But there's people who aren't even aware that that's part of their noetic signature. And they are like, why am I getting this knee pain? Oh, so and so has knee pain, okay.

• 41:55Mayim Bialik?

  Because everyone who has chronic pain, are we just tapping into everybody else's pain? Like, true story, in the science fiction version of my life, that's the screenplay you write, that every, every woman who's like having chronic pain and autoimmune stuff and every doctor's like, I don't know, let's put you on more sedatives. Maybe we're tapping into something and no one knows. And this is the moment we figure it out.

• 42:17Jonathan Cohen?

  You thought the Hungarian lineage was diluted? It's not.

• 42:20Mayim Bialik?

  It's strong.

• 42:22Speaker 00

  Right, and so, you know, the likelihood is that it's multifactorial and yet that may play a big part.

• 42:29Mayim Bialik?

  We've got intuition.

• 42:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:31Mayim Bialik?

  We've got this sort of embodied sense.

• 42:34Speaker 00

  Embodied sensations, physical sensations from other people. And then the, the third kind of bodied one is being able to touch an object and actually get information from it.

• 42:45Mayim Bialik?

  This is like what the mediums on TV do. And I'm like, that's not real.

• 42:48Speaker 00

  No, it's called, it is real. It's called psychometry. There's been less research formally done on psychometry.

• 42:55Mayim Bialik?

  How do you even do research on that?

• 42:57Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 42:57Mayim Bialik?

  Like, what kind of double-blind study do you do on like, do you know if this handkerchief is my grandmother's or not?

• 43:04Speaker 00

  There's a wonderful researcher at West Georgia, Christine Simmons-Moore, who just finished a really cool, small psychometry study with rings. And, yeah, it was very fun.

• 43:16Jonathan Cohen?

  That's why you never want a ring from a marriage that didn't work.

• 43:19Mayim Bialik?

  It's, it's a thing.

• 43:21Speaker 00

  Interesting, yeah, that's very true. So that's less common. Psychometry is definitely less common. Then you get into visualization and kind of mental imagery to either affect or gain information. So that's the category that would include like remote viewing and manifestation. And then there's another characteristic that is related to that, that's healing. Because often healing will use those same visualizations, manifestations for healing. It's a, a type of mind-matter interaction, if you will. Then we have, you know, telepathy, precognition,

• 44:03Speaker 00

  clear audience, apparent communication with non-physical beings, which is the mediums and channeling, which we've already talked about. And then the last two are really interesting. So, you know, we used our statistics to come up with this factor model for the 12 characteristics. So we let the data drive the results. So one of them was whether the information is actually used in their daily life for decision-making. So it's not necessarily a skill or a characteristic per se, but it's, it's how it's being used.

• 44:38Jonathan Cohen?

  I feel like I have a variety of different ways that things communicate to me. Often it's just like a hard no or hard knowing or a physical sensation.

• 44:49Mayim Bialik?

  I call it, he's talking to the universe. Like, we'll be in the supermarket and he gets quiet and he does this thing with his hand. And I'm like, oh, he's talking to the universe. Sometimes it's about, should he buy this food or not? Like, will it be good for his body? But it's like a thing.

• 45:01Jonathan Cohen?

  Often if I'm having a stomach problem, I'm like, I don't know, I'm quite sure where I'm being guided to, to go. And I sort of feel a little bit like.

• 45:07Mayim Bialik?

  Candy, for me, always candy. Just head to chocolate.

• 45:11Jonathan Cohen?

  That's probably, well, here, here's.

• 45:13Mayim Bialik?

  Probably not a good idea.

• 45:15Jonathan Cohen?

  What's interesting to me about this and why it actually gets a little bit confusing because there's a question of, is it possible? But then there's also a question of, what is guiding our overall system? For example, you know, if we have a strong emotional reaction, sometimes I can unpack that and really be like, actually, you know, I was close to an idea and so I have a strong emotional reaction. And like the difference between that and what am I being guided towards is complicated. And, and sometimes the intuition is, actually, no, that was my first reaction. And then when I unpack it, I may have resistance, but actually that's really being shown to me as something that isn't gonna be helpful.

• 45:57Jonathan Cohen?

  And, and so the, the other component, I think, to this is, I, I speak to a lot of people who are like really dialed, like their intuition has been dialed in for years. And I've asked them, have you set guiding parameters for your life? Meaning, your intuition, in my opinion, goes with what your objectives are. The people that I've seen that have used their intuition the best are not necessarily setting an intuition by every moment, but their life has some like centralized guidepost. Like, I wanna be as creative as possible or I wanna be as much service as possible. And then their intuition, because we have agency in this world and we're not simply doing whatever spirit tells us, spirit is there to collaborate with us.

• 46:42Jonathan Cohen?

  And so it needs some objective to, to accomplish in some way. That's a big idea and so maybe I'll see what you, what you think.

• 46:50Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, I'm right there with you. I mean, I've pulled together a course called The Best Practices of Channeling. And what comes up over and over again in that is intention. Okay, so intention, which is focused attention plus our will, right? And so that's why meditation is really key or some type of mental training because we really need to learn how to work our attention muscle, right? But then along with that is our will. And so what you'll see throughout The Best Practices of Channeling is directing your intention in very specific ways for a particular overall outcome.

• 47:34Speaker 00

  Not that you're prescribing the specific way that that's gonna unfold, but just like you said, okay, you know, my, you know, personal intention in life is to be a channel of divine love, right? That's my guiding, intentful

• 47:53Speaker 00

  statement to the universe, if you will. And so that intention can be applied in many different ways. And we can dive into that. But one thing I wanna say that's so important that I don't wanna forget to say is about the layers of the ego. Because our channeling is only as clear as our awareness of our human personality and how that interacts with the information coming through.

• 48:22Mayim Bialik?

  Say that again. I mean, it's amazing, but say it again.

• 48:25Speaker 00

  So we're humans. We have a human mind. We have a human personality that is constructed from our early childhood experiences, from our beliefs, etc.

• 48:35Mayim Bialik?

  Intergenerational trauma.

• 48:36Speaker 00

  Intergenerational trauma, which we can definitely dive into. And that is a filter through which we receive our channeled information. And so if we have a lot of unconscious patterns that we are not aware of, that is going to cloud, obscure the, what we think is actually channeled. And it may not be because it's influenced by that filter. So I'm, you know, very strongly recommend anybody who's, wants to go on this channeling path, that you have to choose an ego clearing practice that you engage in 100%.

• 49:16Mayim Bialik?

  What's an ego clearing practice?

• 49:17Speaker 00

  There's so many that are available, you know, psychotherapy, hypnosis, you know, the Hoffman process.

• 49:28Mayim Bialik?

  You gotta really get in there.

• 49:29Speaker 00

  You gotta get in there. And you gotta get in there and say, okay, what are my underlying beliefs that motivate me?

• 49:35Mayim Bialik?

  Or where have I been hurt? And where am I still holding that?

• 49:38Speaker 00

  What are my woundings?

• 49:39Mayim Bialik?

  Ask them for a friend.

• 49:40Speaker 00

  What are my unconscious beliefs, etc.? And so just as a very simple example, you know, you could set an intention to manifest beneficence in your life, right? Like, that's like a general intention, okay? But if you have an underlying belief that I'm not worthy, then that's what's actually gonna manifest.

• 50:02Mayim Bialik?

  And that's when people say, it doesn't work. This is what's fascinating to me, when people are like, I've tried meditation, it doesn't work. And it's kind of like, that's not a thing. That's like saying, I tried believing in gravity, but it didn't work. You don't have to believe in it, like, it's a thing? Are you tapping into it? I feel the same way about God, because that's just sort of me. Like, I don't need to believe or convince you to believe, it's just there. You know, am I turning towards it, right? Like, the, the hand is out to me. Am I placing my hand in it, right? It's just there.

• 50:38Speaker 00

  Yeah. So that, that piece is, is so key. And then I think the other piece that goes along with that is this idea that some people will put channeled information up on a pedestal, or they'll put channelers as, on a pedestal, like, projecting their authority onto it.

• 50:57Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, absolutely.

• 50:58Speaker 00

  Yeah, and so how do we shift that dynamic and, and say, okay, here's just more information coming in? It's not like I'm gonna get rid of my intellect, or, my intellect is incredible. So you wanna use the intellect with the intuitive information to discern, hey, is this relevant to me? Is this useful to me? Is this actionable? Do I do something with it? Instead of, oh, I need to go see the channeler again to figure out what I'm gonna do with my life. Or, ooh, the channeler said this, so it must be true, it must be real, and now I'm gonna wholeheartedly implement that.

• 51:35Jonathan Cohen?

  Because sometimes you're getting a snapshot in time. Information changes, our, we take action in the world, and the dynamic that we're interacting with changes. And so like, you can't hold on to only one thing that's being shared. I've said this before, a long time ago, I saw a woman who was a psychic. I think I was like, in my early twenties, and I was setting a path to be a writer. And she told me, you won't start making a living as a writer until you're 34. And that information was so upsetting to me, because I was like, working so hard and doing so many other things, and...

• 52:14Mayim Bialik?

  You didn't wanna wait another decade?

• 52:15Jonathan Cohen?

  I didn't wanna wait a decade. I was like, I'm in school, this is, like, couldn't imagine that. And while I did make money in increments as a writer, at, right after my 34th birthday, I moved and took a full-time job as a writer, and that changed the course of my career. And I, for, I was very upset at the time that she told me that, because I, it just felt overwhelming. And you know what it felt like? It felt like the veil of the universe had been sliced open, and I peered in, and it was too much information, and it was really disturbing to me for months. And I felt defeated, and it like, it wasn't productive to, to know that.

• 52:59Jonathan Cohen?

  And yet, when I turned 34, and I got, like, I had totally forgotten about this woman, and then I thought back to that session, and I was like, oh, no. That was, anyway, it was just, it was too spot on.

• 53:10Mayim Bialik?

  I don't like your experiment. Well, there's a lot of things that, you know, the rationalist in me is, is thinking, which I guess, I guess kind of leads to, you know, a subsequent, you know, question of like, I think many people don't know what knowing is. And I worked with a somatic experiencing therapist, a craniosacral therapist, very, very skilled, really, really incredible woman. And some of the exercises we did was literally like, she would have me think of a food that I like, versus a food that I don't like. And just like, I mean, I've functioned as a human being, I've had two children, like,

• 53:52Mayim Bialik?

  I've gotten degrees, but like, I couldn't figure out, like, how you know something, until, you know, as a grown woman nearing 50 years old, I had to do these exercises. She would stand close to me, and I had to decide if I wanted that or not. And I think people like Jonathan, just like, go around the world, just like, feeling and sensing and intuiting, and like, I think many of us, maybe, I don't, I can't be the only one, but many of us are just walking around, like, what's for lunch? Like, I'm not feeling into that. I don't, I don't know. What are some of the things you could tell someone like me, who literally is a feeling operating human, who may not know what it is even to know?

• 54:32Speaker 00

  Well, first, I just have deep, deep compassion for you.

• 54:35Mayim Bialik?

  I see that, and it's freaking me out. Why do you look so sad?

• 54:38Speaker 00

  It's not sad, it's compassion, because it's not just you, it's so many people in the West.

• 54:46Mayim Bialik?

  I'm missing something?

• 54:47Speaker 00

  No, it's...

• 54:48Jonathan Cohen?

  I think it's broken, I think we're broken apart from our, from a natural knowing.

• 54:52Speaker 00

  Well, our culture is so externally focused, and people right now are just deeply suffering from this fire hydrant of external information that is pulling them this way and that. And it's over, it's completely overwhelming. I mean, how are we supposed to, with our intellect, make any sense of that, from the like, tiny percent that we actually are able to process and take in? And you wonder why it's hard to know? I mean, like, we're completely bombarded with information from the outside, and there's, you know, rarely does someone say, okay, close your eyes, let go of all that, and what do you feel?

• 55:36Speaker 00

  Like, it doesn't happen. So I don't think it is any fault of your own. I think it is a product of our Western culture that's very, very externally focused. And so my goal through this book, and through the work that we do at Ions, is to shift that, and to look within for that information. Not as the only thing we look at, but it has to be at least equal to, you know? It's like, okay, here are the facts that I'm gleaning from the outside, and here's what my internal barometer is sharing with me.

• 56:15Mayim Bialik?

  What I'm struck by, which I think also is an emotional concept as well, what I'm struck by is what you're describing, you know, sounds a lot like, you kind of, a state of nature. Meaning, we're born into this world, a blank canvas, right? Like, no one knows what language we're supposed to speak, or what kind of, you know, religious or cultural programming we're supposed to get. We're just kind of born all the same, right? We're just like, a thing, right? And depending on where we accidentally were born, and what that family is, that determines kind of, who we think we become. But this notion of like, what feels good, what's comforting, what's safe, like, those

• 56:56Mayim Bialik?

  are the things that as a, an infant, right, we're sensing without even having language for it. It's a complete, like, for the first three months, like, you don't even know that you're outside of the womb, like, you're just in this space, right? And then it's all of this other conditioning around it, you know, that makes us who we think we are. And then people have psychedelic journeys, and they feel like, oh my gosh, I don't have an ego, and I'm like, one with the universe, and everything is love and beautiful, but then you have to come back, you know? And what do you bring down, you know, from the mountain?

• 57:27Speaker 00

  Yeah, it's like, we're born into this really open, aware space, and then we get conditioned out of it, and then we have to do all these things to like, uncondition all that. Those experiences. And, you know, I think our human ego supports us in functioning, right? Like, it obviously has a very strong evolutionary benefit to

• 57:52Mayim Bialik?

  Survival.

• 57:53Speaker 00

  Survival and keep us safe. But as we know, you know, stress gone wild is not good for anybody. We aren't running away from the tiger all the time. And so, how do we learn how to be aware of and manage our fight or flight?

• 58:09Speaker 00

  And tap into other ways of knowing?

• 58:13Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, very powerful. You were gonna tell us a little bit about some of the tools or exercises someone can do to either tap in or to sort of maybe do energetic maintenance?

• 58:27Speaker 00

  Yes. So I really like working with the idea of a chakra system. And which, you know, consists of a number of energy vortices in different parts of your body. And for channeling, specifically for being overwhelmed by too much kind of intuitive information, I envision the crown chakra. And the third chakra, which is at your solar plexus. So if you imagine your crown chakra, kind of like an aperture of a camera. And so, and I do this very, very, every single day, multiple times a day, depending on the situation.

• 59:09Speaker 00

  So let's say I'm leaving my house and I'm gonna go to a party. So I would make that aperture much smaller.

• 59:17Mayim Bialik?

  Is this a visualization?

• 59:19Speaker 00

  It is, yeah. It's, and it's an intention.

• 59:21Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 59:22Speaker 00

  But I, I'm very visual, not everybody is. So I will imagine it mentally as an image in my mind that my crown chakra and my third chakra are actually smaller, if you will. And then if I'm, wanna sit and do an intuition session, then I'll actually open it up. And then you'll see information coming in.

• 59:49Mayim Bialik?

  First of all, this is all fascinating. Before you go on, we've had Sue Mortar on and, you know, many others who've talked about this system. Can you give us sort of from a clinical perspective, what the chakra system is? Because a lot of people kind of hear energy and they think woo woo. But these are actually concepts that for thousands of years have, have been part of many traditions. Can you speak a little bit about what we're actually talking about?

• 1:00:17Speaker 00

  Yes, I wish there was more formal research on the chakra system. And I know especially Margaret Moga and some other researchers have attempted to kind of validate it with objective measures. But we're still have a hard time trying to measure these non physical subtle energy systems. If you think about our body as one of the best measurement tools, then we can, and I value that. Not all scientists would value our perceptions that our bodies pick up. But anyway, that's my little caveat. So chakras are

• 1:01:03Speaker 00

  energy vortices, if you will, in different parts of the body. For example, we have one right here in our heart center.

• 1:01:12Mayim Bialik?

  Which I think most people can relate to most kind of colloquially.

• 1:01:15Speaker 00

  Yes. And there are many chakras, but most people speak of seven. And there's one kind of at our perineum that points down into the earth. And it is a single one, like a funnel that's pointing down. And then you have the crown, which is a single funnel pointing up. And then the rest of the chakras, you know, third eye, throat, heart, solar plexus, sacral plexus are actually two funnels. One pointing forward and one pointing back.

• 1:01:52Jonathan Cohen?

  People forget about the back.

• 1:01:53Speaker 00

  They do, because if you think about the heart chakra, the way we give love is forward, forward facing. And the way we receive is from the back. So, you know, ideally, they're spitting at a nice speed. They're nice and clear. There's no kind of obstacles to that. And each chakra is understood to represent different parts of the physical body, different emotions, different colors. And, you know, especially eastern

• 1:02:28Speaker 00

  eastern science, eastern technologies have done a lot of work around characterizing that. Is that helpful?

• 1:02:34Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, I think that is helpful. And I think that, I think the heart one is, is one that people understand most because anatomically, right, it's placed like the place where like, you know, when, when you feel something in your heart, right? Like, people understand that. But so many of us who have thyroid conditions have discovered that when you go to a holistic practitioner, or if you go to really anyone outside of a very old school, classic, Western medicine, you know, kind of interpretation from an endocrinological perspective, what they often talk about is what are you not saying? And, you know, that was kind of the first time that I started thinking about the chakra system

• 1:03:16Mayim Bialik?

  as having anatomical and physiological emotional components. I have a friend who's had thyroid cancer twice. And for her, her life has been characterized by not speaking. And it's so interesting because you don't wanna believe that you are causing, right? Yourself to get cancer. That's not the conversation, I think, that anyone wants to engage in. But the notion being, there are places in our body that will hold. They will hold pain, they will hold trauma, they will hold information, they'll hold memory. And those correlate in many cases, you know, with these chakras, right? Women who've been sexually abused often have, right?

• 1:03:58Mayim Bialik?

  Pain and a variety of medical issues in the region of the body that is energetically, right? Holding these memories, right? So when we think about kind of that system and we talk about what it means to tap in, I think that's just a helpful framework, so appreciate it.

• 1:04:14Speaker 00

  Yeah, no problem. And the throat, you know, what I learned about the throat, it's also not my will, but thine. And so it's this sort of like controlling, needing or wanting to control things to be a certain way.

• 1:04:29Mayim Bialik?

  As our abilities grow, do we get more kinds of information? Or sometimes you get one kind of information and then you get another? How do you know when to get your own Netflix special with your mediumship if your signature might change?

• 1:04:44Speaker 00

  Yes, what we've noticed through our studies is that most people have more than one type of characteristic that shows up for them. They might have, say, three or four, but one is like much stronger for them than the others. And so, we wanna do some follow up studies that look at, well, does it change over time? You know, I'm imagining that if you get, take a remote viewing class, that that, you know, characteristic is gonna improve for you. You may not be the superstar, but it, it may get a little bit better. And then people who are further on this kind of channeling journey and feel like,

• 1:05:27Speaker 00

  well, I've really explored telepathy, but I really wanna explore precognition. Let me dive into that and, you know, see if I can get some training in that.

• 1:05:37Mayim Bialik?

  People practice lucid dreaming.

• 1:05:38Speaker 00

  Exactly. And so that was the one characteristic I forgot to talk about, which is dreams. So the 12th characteristic of the noetic signature is getting noetic information from dreams. And so that one's also a unique characteristic because it's not a specific type. It's a specific state that you're in when the noetic information comes in. Because it could be telepathic or precognitive or something totally different. And so, our most recent noetic signature study found that dreams was actually the only characteristic that was, that kind of separated people out. Either you're a dreamer or you're not a dreamer. So I'm, I'm not a dreamer.

• 1:06:23Speaker 00

  But there's some people who only get noetic information. I know. Get noetic information from their dreams, which is really fascinating.

• 1:06:32Jonathan Cohen?

  Are these dreams predictive?

• 1:06:34Speaker 00

  They can be. So they're just that you get noetic information from your dream and you may have a precognitive dream.

• 1:06:45Mayim Bialik?

  Where do you get your noetic information?

• 1:06:47Speaker 00

  I get it while I'm awake. So part of me wonders if people who kind of don't allow this information to show up in their daily life when they're asleep, you know, the ego's down, regulated. There's not as many kind of conscious barriers to noetic information. And so maybe it allows them to show up in the dream rather than the waking state.

• 1:07:12Mayim Bialik?

  I'm thinking about nightmares, you know? And a lot of also sensitive and intuitive people are often plagued by complicated, you know, graphic nightmares. So also like, is that a knowing? Or is that other information being processed, right? You have to be able to distinguish.

• 1:07:27Speaker 00

  And so you could set intentions before you go to sleep that, hey, I'm not gonna pick any other people's energies up. And let's close the apertures down and, and have a nice restful sleep. If it is picking up, you know, other people's stuff that you don't necessarily want.

• 1:07:47Mayim Bialik?

  We're gonna hit pause here, but you do not want to miss part two of our conversation with Dr. Wabe. We're gonna be talking about people's abilities to channel as it relates to some of the most recent research in UAPs. We'll talk about energy healing, what is actually going on? And how has Dr. Wabe's research team found ways to try and qualify and quantify what's happening with energy healing?

• 1:08:11Jonathan Cohen?

  We also talk about noetic signatures, the unique way each of us receive intuitive information.

• 1:08:17Mayim Bialik?

  And once and for all, Jonathan and I tell our origin story to probably the most qualified person who can inform us as to whether it was telepathy, inception, or something else.

• 1:08:31Jonathan Cohen?

  We also talk about exorcisms and the idea that dark energies that are trapped here on earth may attach themselves to individuals and how to remove them.

• 1:08:42Mayim Bialik?

  All that and so much more in part two of our conversation with Dr. Wabe. From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we'll see you next time.