AI Jesus, Bitcoin's $100K Surge, and Luigi Mangione | The Tom Bilyeu Show

We kick things off with a riveting discussion on a recent sensational headline: the assassination of a US Healthcare CEO, questioning whether it is an act of justice or evil. We delve into the political sphere with the introduction of a new "czar" for AI and crypto, spotlighting the groundbreaking updates in artificial intelligence, including some unusual developments like a robot dog owned by Trump and an AI version of Jesus in Switzerland. Listeners will get an exclusive peek into Tom's recent eye-opening trip to Mar-a-Lago, where he shares insights into the dynamics of networking and political power, including an impromptu encounter with Donald Trump. He explores the evolving nature of AI and digital reality, making compelling comparisons to historical milestones like the printing press and projecting a future filled with both promise and peril. Tom and Drew tackle the perpetual "battle of the sexes," discussing inherent differences in male and female minds, how these affect relationships, and the changing cultural landscape. They analyze economic disparities, reflecting on wealth distribution, and provide actionable advice on leveraging investments like real estate and Bitcoin, amid the backdrop of a continually manipulated economic system. SHOWNOTES 00:00 Wild episode: AI, crypto power plays, intrigue. 11:25 Many people's unanchored ethics are concerning. 15:57 Distrust ourselves due to personal biases. 19:50 Long-term stock market investing via index funds. 27:07 Uncharted AI, crypto, criticized Biden's handling. 28:42 Regulations immobilize growth, likened to ensnaring giant. 37:02 Intelligent life collapses into virtual worlds. 39:24 Cross-world assets with permanence via physical device. 45:56 AI integration will astound and deeply impact lives. 50:31 The impact of AI birthing on control. 58:37 Vlad the Impaler's brutal impalement described. 01:02:47 Cenk and Anna seem to shift rightward. 01:09:57 I navigate life using aggressive binaries. 01:15:30 Respect and love are crucial for relationships. 01:18:18 Cultural identity linked to creativity in motherhood. 01:22:07 Women want protection and dedication from men. CHECK OUT OUR SPONSORS Range Rover: Explore the Range Rover Sport at https://landroverUSA.com https://landroverusa.com/ Rosetta Stone: Check out Rosetta Stone and use my code TODAY for a great deal: https://www.rosettastone.com https://www.rosettastone.com/ Miro: Bring your teams to Miro’s revolutionary Innovation Workspace and be faster from idea to outcome at https://miro.com https://miro.com/ Shopify: Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial period at https://shopify.com/impact Found Banking: Stop getting lost in countless finance apps and try Found for free at https://found.com/impact Momentous: Shop now at https://livemomentous.com https://livemomentous.com/ and use code IMPACT for 20% your new Momentous routine Factor: Get 50% off your first box plus 20% off your next month while your subscription is active at https://factormeals.com/impacttheory50 with code impacttheory50 https://factormeals.com/impacttheory50 StopBox: Get 10% off, plus Buy One Get One Free for the StopBox Pro with code IMPACT at https://stopboxusa.com https://stopboxusa.com/ What's up, everybody? It's Tom Bilyeu here: If you want my help... STARTING a business: join me here at ZERO TO FOUNDER https://tombilyeu.com/zero-to-founder?utm_campaign=Podcast%20Offer&utm_source=podca[%E2%80%A6]d%20end%20of%20show&utm_content=podcast%20ad%20end%20of%20show SCALING a business: see if you qualify here. https://tombilyeu.com/call  Get my battle-tested strategies and insights delivered weekly to your inbox: sign up here. https://tombilyeu.com/ If you're serious about leveling up your life, I urge you to check out my new podcast,Tom Bilyeu’s Mindset Playbook https://open.spotify.com/show/47VE90Cittmo6TGGFqg2xf —a goldmine of my most impactful episodes on mindset, business, and health. Trust me, your future self will thank you. Join me live on myTwitch stream https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ. I'm live daily from 6:30 to 8:30 am PT athttps://cms.megaphone.fm/organizations/0482bfe8-8502-11ed-af5d-3bdc320068d7/podcasts/0a41f61a-9ddf-11ed-9eb7-dbb3a40775f5/episodes/8ac68366-8a85-11ef-bb65-abca3ffdcf54/www.twitch.tv/tombilyeuwww.twitch.tv/tombilyeu https://impacttheory.co/4fitmnJ LISTEN TO IMPACT THEORY AD FREE + BONUS EPISODES on APPLE PODCASTS:apple.co/impacttheory http://apple.co/impacttheory FOLLOW TOM: Instagram:https://www.instagram.com/tombilyeu/ Tik Tok:https://www.tiktok.com/@tombilyeu?lang=en Twitter:https://twitter.com/tombilyeu YouTube:https://www.youtube.com/@TomBilyeu Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Tom Bilyeu?

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• 1:29Tom Bilyeu?

  And the age old battle of the sexes. But this time, we are not holding back. Drew.

• 1:35Speaker 01

  How you doing, Tom?

• 1:36Tom Bilyeu?

  I am a little under the weather, but right now I'm not coughing or sneezing. So we'll call it a win.

• 1:42Speaker 01

  Hey, man. Well, you're doing better than the United Healthcare CEO.

• 1:45Tom Bilyeu?

  Oof, way, way too soon.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  RIP to his family. I know he's a family man and they're actually having services today. But they have found his killer, allegedly, allegedly.

• 1:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Suspect.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  They have found his suspect. And it is Luigi Mangione, 26 year old. He's a UPenn alum, former valedictorian. He got busted at a McDonald's. It doesn't.

• 2:05Tom Bilyeu?

  People are a little too weird about the whole busted at McDonald's thing. Now, I'll be scandalized. If he was eating the bread, this scares me from a French Revolution energy perspective. Yeah. Uh, shout out to the person that tweeted that out. I, I tried to refine it. I can't, but uh, that really stuck with me. That we are living with people that have the same energy as the people in the French Revolution that beheaded thousands of people. And I know that when I say that, there are going to be some people that cheer for that. Now, look, a lot of things have to come out. We don't know that this guy did it. We don't know that the things that are being attributed to him, to him are really true. But I do think that they ring true from a cultural perspective. And you asked before we started rolling, if I thought that this was a drop in the

• 2:46Tom Bilyeu?

  bucket of um, wealth discrepancy, and I very much think this is exactly that.

• 2:54Tom Bilyeu?

  The interesting thing though, is that you have somebody who almost certainly is on a path to um, upper middle class, worst case scenario. So this is not the guy that's going to be struggling, but I was shocked to see how many people were cheering for this. That to me is super scary because what, what I'm seeing here is ethics that are unmoored to anything. And when I really stop and think about one of the biggest problems that we face right now as a society, most people cannot articulate what their ethics are. And they're not grounded in anything. And so the whole Nietzschean idea of what happens when God dies is really fascinating because when you have a God, you just say,

• 3:37Tom Bilyeu?

  God says that this is how you're supposed to live. And so you don't need anything more than that. And so people can anchor around that. Now, if you have my interpretation of religion, that religion is a codification of the best way to live that has survived over time. So people have terrible ideas. Those all fall by the wayside in the harsh reality of an evolutionary past. And the only things that survive are the things that actually work. And so religions tend to have this sort of tried and true thing that will get people at a minimum through the environment that they grew up in. It may not translate to every environment, but it'll certainly help them through the environment that they went through. Once that goes away, now what? Now what are you anchoring on? And you can begin to anchor around things like resentment, which is what I think we see in this cheering on of. The the literal assassination of somebody is crazy.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  I think you kind of nailed it in the head. This guy went to a $40,000 a year private boarding school. He was a UPenn alum. So if we're just looking at, oh, a rich guy got killed. Technically, Luigi was a rich guy or in the rich guy ecosystem.

• 4:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Right, certainly the elites.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  What do you say to the eat the rich people, the people that are celebrating this, clapping for this? It it feels icky. Ben Shapiro did a reaction. He says, this is no, if this is OK, there's no difference in us gunning down bankers or police officers or other civil servants who did us wrong. I think it's a slippery slope. Like, yes, healthcare is messed up. Yes, the United CEO probably denied a lot of claims that should have been approved. But at the same time, that's not a ticket for death. And I don't want us to just be OK with this vigilante justice. I sound like I'm in a Batman, like, comic book.

• 5:05Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, anytime you talk about vigilante justice, you're gonna feel like that. So here's the reality. So, one, I recognize that I am in the class that people are not thrilled with. So, an image of my house was used during the 2020 protests. I would call them riots. That's what it felt like at the time, but protests, where it said, burn the rich, and they put a photo of my house. So, you're on my balcony overlooking, you can literally see pockets of L.A. on fire. That was certainly unnerving. Let's set that aside, right? So, let's remove me from this, because I think when people think from emotion, that that's

• 5:48Tom Bilyeu?

  not going to get you anywhere, myself included. So I don't want to anchor around, well, I don't like being the person that people are pointing fingers at. What I would rather say is, what is a universal language of morals, ethics, that we should be anchoring around? OK, so first of all, you need a North Star. So my North Star is human flourishing for the largest number of people. OK, if you look at it and just say, OK, what is the setup that we think leads to the flourishing for the most people? What are going to be the KPIs that we use to judge that? And then how do we know whether we're moving towards that or not? OK, so, when, once you make that the conversation, then I do expect people to put their finger on and say, OK, hold on, we have a wealth disparity that is wildly problematic.

• 6:29Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes, for sure. So now, one, why is that bad? Now, the answer to that question, I think, is pretty fascinating. The reason that's bad is because objective wealth doesn't matter. Only subjective wealth matters. Now, why do I say that? I say that because it is a documented fact that people don't so much care about what their overall access to resources is. What they care about is their access to resources compared to their neighbors. When you look around at your neighbors and you see that they're thriving and you're doing poorly, it creates this sense of resentment in people. You can test this in monkeys. If you give a monkey a cucumber for the same job that you give another one a grape,

• 7:13Tom Bilyeu?

  because they much prefer grapes, they go, the one getting the cucumber goes bananas. Now, he's perfectly fine if he's getting a cucumber for the task and his neighbor's getting a cucumber for the task. He will go absolutely out of his mind crazy if you then suddenly start giving the neighbor the grape for doing the same thing. So that is just evolutionarily, whether you want it to be true or not, it just is true. It is baked into the hardwiring of the human animal to have this just fiery resentment for somebody getting something for the same thing that we're getting something less for. Alright, so people value their own contributions. I'm working as hard as that guy, so why is that person getting something more than me?

• 7:53Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so you actually want to push the system to create a giant and thriving middle class. And whenever humanly possible, you want that middle class to believe that later in their life, they'll be doing better than they are today and that their kids will be doing even better than them. If you do that, there's something that clicks over in the human mind and they're all like, hey, I'm good. In fact, dear anybody who feels iced out by the system, if you're not following Wall Street Trapper, shame on you. Okay, he just breaks all this down. This is a guy who went to prison, just his, the beginning of his life could not have been worse. And he realized, oh, literally in prison, his cellmate is like, dude, the way that you're approaching this is so stupid.

• 8:34Tom Bilyeu?

  The game may be rigged, but the rules are knowable and you can join the rigged side of the game anytime. You want to. He didn't say it exactly like that, but you get the idea. And that's what I was thinking this morning. I'm like, hold on. Yes, the system is stupid and nobody is more annoyed by the system than me, but it's rigged in a way that's knowable and anybody can play it. You can still jump in. Yes. And so the very simple answer is if you have to own equities, you have to own something. Go own some of the stock market. Now, if you can own the stock market on a long enough timeline for the last 100 years, that has been the surest bet ever. Just place that bet and

• 9:11Tom Bilyeu?

  I wish it weren't as complicated as it is, but you can make it as sort of blanket, simple index funds as you want. And as long as you can play over a long time horizon, you will be fine. Now, I can annihilate my own argument there and do routinely, but I want people to understand that the way that the game is rigged is knowable. That you can play it at any time and that

• 9:37Tom Bilyeu?

  this goes back to some people, they're just not going to put the time and energy into it, or they don't have the intellectual horsepower to pull it off. And that's why I get so angry is we have a system that says, if you can't understand this, fuck you. That's why, even though I have a shit ton of Bitcoin, when people say the life raft is Bitcoin, I'm like, fuck you, dude. That's so complicated. When people say, hey, just invest in the stock market. Most people won't. So anyway, the way that the money is inflated, when they want to put money into the system or get money back out, they either

• 10:13Tom Bilyeu?

  they basically create debt that they want people to buy. And then they will literally, they being the government stroke, the Fed will go in and buy the debt back. And this is how I, that is wildly, wildly oversimplified, but that gives you an idea of if you don't own assets, you're not in the game that they're playing. And so you're just like over off on this invisible place of earning an income. And unless you're taking a very substantive portion of the income that you earn and investing in equities. It's not the only thing. I'm rounding things to make this easy to understand. If you don't do that, then you end up a wage slave.

• 10:56Tom Bilyeu?

  And the other guy gets to take advantage of the fact that money gets pumped into the fake money gets pumped into the system. You have to have a thing that you own, that when they pump money into the system, the system autocorrects the price of that thing. A house, uh, stocks. Yeah. Okay, tho- those are like the two easiest that are gonna keep up with inflation. Technically, debt will, but especially on long-term horizons, it can get muddy. But that's why people will say, oh, you just need to own real estate. Oh, you just need to be in the stock market. The value of the stocks often isn't actually going up, it's just keeping up with inflation. Because people, I'm gonna finish the sentence, people demand it,

• 11:40Tom Bilyeu?

  but this is where then it starts to get complicated and people just tune out. Okay, let's bring this back to the assassination.

• 11:47Tom Bilyeu?

  The government's run by the elites.

• 11:50Tom Bilyeu?

  The elites print money and manipulate the economic system in a knowable way that anybody can participate in, but most won't. And that just keeps creating this divide, divide, divide, divide, divide, divide, divide. And historically, the elites will run the economy aground, they will ruin it. 100% of the economies run by the elites all throughout human history. They all end up crashing on the rocks, okay? But the time horizon is hard to know. The only way to reset the debt cycle is bloodshed. So dude, I get it. This, this is a highly predictable response to seeing your neighbor do better than you

• 12:34Tom Bilyeu?

  for what you perceive to be the same thing. Yeah. Right? Working hard, just to, to use one example. So I get why we end up here. But what people have to understand is the mentality is broken and deranged because it pits you against other humans and puts you in a killer be killed mentality. And the one thing, if your north star like me is human flourishing, the one thing you want to avoid is bloodshed. So.

• 13:09Tom Bilyeu?

  That's why I'm both optimistic about this moment because the populace spoke and they were heard. They spoke with a singular voice, but with a resounding voice. They won.

• 13:23Tom Bilyeu?

  The problem is the system's not that easy to correct. And so while I'm very optimistic right now, partly because I just want to be, and partly because you can nudge the system. And I think that we will nudge it meaningfully over the next four years. That's my hope.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  No, I agree. If I already give like a too long, don't read, what I'm hearing is avoid emotions, own something, get on the other side of the cash register, like try to get into the system in the way that might be rigged or unfair, but you can still play, you can still join and you can at least protect your family and your assets that way.

• 14:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. And the one thing I will add is avoid resentment at all costs because it will ruin your life. Like the fact that this kid can be from wealth, I said he was a data engineer, so he's got a good job. He's obviously of a certain intellectual ability. But he was so angry that he shot a man in the back and ruined his own life, obviously ended that guy's life, ruined his family's life. They say that sarcasm is the attack of the weak. I forget the exact phrase, the protestations of the weak.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Sarcasm is a protestations of the week?

• 14:44Tom Bilyeu?

  Sarcasm is the protestations of the weak. It's the way the weak protest. When you assassinate somebody like that, that, that is somebody that, one, it's fruitless, that's not going to do anything. The system will gobble that up as rapidly as the ocean gobbles a pebble being dropped somewhere in the center. It just, it doesn't matter.

• 15:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a new

• 15:05Tom Bilyeu?

  It'll have a new cycle and then they'll replace the CEO and literally nothing is going to change. So it's somebody who thinks that they are powerless to influence the system. And so they rage against, you know, one person. And that is, that is not a life well spent. And if it really is, whoever did it, if they get caught, they will spend the rest of their life in prison. To no end.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  To no end. Donald Trump recently appointed David Sacks as the AI and crypto czar. And the markets loved it because Bitcoin has been chilling at 100K for the last week and some change. So do you think with Sacks now manning the ship in AI and crypto, you're going to see a mass adoption, deregulation? What do you think is the future of AI and crypto?

• 15:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so this is where things start to get really interesting. All right. I know that what I'm about to say is not going to be popular with a lot of people, but because I believe it to be true, I am going to say it. The reality is when you get to the level of business that David Sacks is at, you understand operations, you understand cause and effect, you understand how to solve novel problems. Now, what novel problem solving is, is not solving a problem you've never seen before. It's solving a problem no one has ever seen before. And so with AI and crypto specifically, we are going into very uncharted territories. The Biden administration bordered on sinister with the way that they were handling this. Now, I have a personal stake in this, so of course I'm going to have that sort of emotional response. But let's just look at the nitty gritty of how this works.

• 16:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Regulation is telling people all the ways not to do something. Now, the more ways you tell somebody not to do something, the less things people are going to do. That's why Elon Musk can build a rocket faster than he can get the authorization to launch that rocket. Now, anybody that hears that should immediately go, okay, that's dumb. In the extreme, the whatever, how many hundreds of millions or billions of dollars that they spent laying down the new internet cable, that obviously has gone nowhere. The high-speed rail in California, however ungodly amounts of money, doesn't go anywhere. And the reason that they don't go anywhere is because they run into their own regulations. Okay, once you understand the impact of regulations on the economy is, to oversimplify, is twofold.

• 17:20Tom Bilyeu?

  One, it protects people and things. So maybe it's protecting the environment, maybe it's keeping somebody from getting sick, whatever. So you go, oh, man, this is an unmitigated good. Like, we just need to put a few rules in place just to corral this and get people pointed in the right direction. But the government, like any tumor, and I obviously choose that very intentionally, any tumor, its job is to get resources to come to it, to get bigger, to grab the finances, to grab the intellectual horsepower and get all of it into the government to make the government bigger. It's just what organisms do. And so. All of a sudden, regulations that were meant to make things better begin to hold it down. And so the analogy that people often use is you can trap a giant with a bunch of little threads.

• 18:05Tom Bilyeu?

  You just need a whole lot of little threads. So any one thread, the giant could break, but when you've got a million threads, all of a sudden it becomes impossible. If you look at our tax code, it is positively ridiculous. I'm ridiculous. So regulations become like that, where it becomes impossible to follow. And then if you get bodies like the SEC, which was handling crypto, regulating by, basically by suing people, then nobody knows what they can and can't do. And so there's just this massive cooling effect. So the hope is that you get somebody like David Sacks, who really understands business, who understands novel problem solving, who understands that regulation have that,

• 18:49Tom Bilyeu?

  the two-pronged effect, which the first one is it, you protect people. But then the second part is it holds giants back. And so if you begin to free up the giant, and the giant being the US economy, now all of a sudden, you have fewer things stopping it and it can start growing. Now, people have heard me talk endlessly about the debt and all the things we were talking about earlier. The debt forces you to money print. Money printing creates wealth inequality. We talked the whole, whole thing about that in the beginning. So now by deregulating, the goal would be that you find the regulations that were pointless, that weren't protecting meaningful, weren't protecting people or things meaningfully. But by removing them, you allow for innovation.

• 19:32Tom Bilyeu?

  And if we can get innovation in these two incredibly important areas, crypto and AI, and many novel problems will have to be solved, now all of a sudden, we can once again, as a nation, start generating more taxable revenue because we're innovating, we're doing new things that the world wants, capital pours into those things, that capital gets taxed. And now all of a sudden, the differential between your expenditures and the government and the amount of tax revenue you're able to bring in, you start bringing in more tax revenue. Okay, so everybody wins if we grow. But when you have a populist that believes that the entrepreneurs, the evil capitalists, deserve to be assassinated in the streets, now all of a sudden, one of the levers that

• 20:15Tom Bilyeu?

  you have to increase human flourishing, growth of the economy, becomes viewed by many as evil. So my hope is that David Sacks reduces these regulations, the economy grows, and people will get back to feeling like, not only is my life going to be better, my kids' lives are going to be better. Once we're in that orientation, we win.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  I see it play out with AI, because I know AI innovations are ripping across a bunch of different industries. That's our quote-unquote ticket to growth. How do you see crypto growing and playing in this ecosystem, especially with Bitcoin hitting an all-time high that now doesn't make it seem like a meme coin, it's no longer just this digital thing? You have to take it seriously now? How do you see the future of crypto evolving and growing?

• 20:56Tom Bilyeu?

  Hold tight, we're gonna take a quick break.

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• 23:11Tom Bilyeu?

  All right, let's pick up where we left off. Okay, so let's talk about Bitcoin and then crypto because technically, not technically, they are wildly different. Okay, so Bitcoin is crypto, but not all crypto has the positive benefits that Bitcoin has. Not even that, not all of them are trying to be. So understand what Bitcoin is trying to be and then understand crypto as a technology. I think that's very important to differentiate those two. All right, Bitcoin, which leverages cryptocurrency, is trying to be a store of wealth. Okay, why? Because of all the things that I was saying before, the government can print money, which means they can steal your buying power. So somebody, some number of year 2012, I forget the exact year that it launched, roughly around there.

• 23:55Tom Bilyeu?

  And what they said was, I want a currency that cannot be inflated. Cool, so they invent Bitcoin. Now, if people believe in it, which I, at this point, obviously that ship has sailed. People believe in it, it's still highly volatile and people should act accordingly. But people believe in it as a store of wealth. So someone like me and countless of other millions of people like me go, ooh, that's better. I don't want to have to constantly be gambling in the stock market. I want to be able to make money, park it essentially in something that's value is either going to go up or stay static from a purchasing power perspective forever, right? I don't want it to go down in purchasing power.

• 24:39Tom Bilyeu?

  So you can benchmark it against gold, say. Okay, because everything else may just be inflation adjusted. So, alright, I'm gonna benchmark it against another store of wealth like gold, and it should either stay static or go up. Since launch, it has gone up against literally everything. And that is what Bitcoin is about. And I believe governments have a moral obligation to allow their constituents to save in something that can't be inflated. So I believe they have a moral obligation to allow Bitcoin to exist. Okay. Now cryptocurrency. Crypto, and so I guess to finish, where do I think it goes from here? I think it goes up for quite some time. Now, how much does it go up?

• 25:24Tom Bilyeu?

  I don't know. I'm personally, in my own life, it's not financial advice.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  Disclaimer.

• 25:31Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, in my own life, I'm assuming that it's gonna go up substantively from here. So, keep your eyes peeled on that. The reason I think that it's gonna go up is people are going to store their wealth in a pretty finite number of things. Things like gold, the stock market, debt. I have quite a bit of money in US debt. Bitcoin, okay? It's real estate, if I didn't already say that, art, all that kinda stuff. Okay, so now Bitcoin becomes one of those stores of wealth. Now, how many, what percentage of all the other things will it drink up? If it even took in 10%, it's something like worth a million or $2 million per Bitcoin.

• 26:14Tom Bilyeu?

  So, uh, could it do that? I think it could. And I actually think that those numbers are low. I think 2 million was something like 7%, but it's of a gigantic number. So will it ever make up 7% of all things that people store their wealth in? Maybe not. But anyway, I think that it goes up from here. I think that the average person is now becoming aware of, oh, that's another place that I can put my money. And like you said, as it crosses these big milestones, and more and more people talk about it, and it just shows up on the ticker of like, this is where your stocks are, this is where Bitcoin is. It just becomes, kids will grow up now today in a world where Bitcoin exists, and nobody is, other than Peter Schiff, who we should probably talk about, he's been saying some crazy shit on Twitter about Bitcoin,

• 26:56Tom Bilyeu?

  which, man, does that feel like emotion getting in the way of judgment. Uh, I respect Peter tremendously. But on Bitcoin, I think he's off, uh, his rocker quite a long way.

• 27:09Tom Bilyeu?

  But yeah, so I think that number goes up. Okay. Bitcoin. Crypto is a very big conversation because there are a lot of innovations that are going to happen on crypto. I will give you my take on why crypto is so important to me from an innovation standpoint. So I looked at Web three when it came out and I was like, oh my God. This brings the properties of physics into the digital world. Now, I would love. Break that down. Yeah, I would love to just be able to say that and have people go, oh my God. Okay, so humans, whether we should or not, humans care deeply about scarcity. Cool. If I'm right with the following assumption, that's going to matter a lot.

• 27:53Tom Bilyeu?

  And my following assumption is that people will live more and more of their lives in a virtual world until essentially we become virtual beings and we upload our consciousness. Now, does that play out over a hundred years, a thousand years? I don't know, but it plays out as far as I can tell. The reason I think the Fermi paradox exists, which is, hey, if this universe is full of intelligent life, why don't we hear from any of them? I think the honest answer is because we all collapse into virtual worlds. There's no reason to try to solve the biological problem and travel the cosmos. If we can truly become a virtual being that explores virtual worlds. Now, there's some downsides of that, but anyway, just if that's true, then we're going to be spending more and more of our lives inside of a virtual world.

• 28:37Tom Bilyeu?

  And as we do so, we are going to want some of the properties of physics such as where is something? Not just what is it, where is it, who owns it? So ownership, scarcity, it has to be a limited quantity if it's going to be owned. And now, when you have that, now all of a sudden, a lot of the mechanisms of the physical world, including things like, here's a fun one. Hey, you showed up today at the mall and we're going to give you a free item because you're here. Okay, cool. So I need location and I need an object that I can actually give you that has a finite quantity that you can take and it matters that you have it. Okay.

• 29:19Tom Bilyeu?

  I can't do that if I don't know who you are, where you are, and who this digital item belongs to. And so, as a business owner, one problem that I would run into all the time is I would want to do things to reward my customer base, but if I made something that was digital, now, all of a sudden, it is meaningless because it's free and you can replicate it a gazillion times and so it matters not. And when people say, "Oh, NFTs are dumb because I can just take a screenshot of it, now it's the same." That is the dumbest argument in the world and it makes me want to punch people in the throat. That's like saying if I give you a picture of a car that you have the car. It's like that, that is somebody who doesn't understand that an NFT is made of code. So, yes, the art layer of the NFT, which to me is pretty meaningless.

• 30:03Tom Bilyeu?

  The art layer of the NFT, anybody can have, but the underlying code that allows me to go, "Oh, in the video game you have..." Or, don't call it a video game. "In this virtual world, you now have access to this thing. I know who you are, you have a reputation that can follow you. I can have NPCs in the game react to you differently. I can give you things other people don't have. Oh, and by the way, all of those things have a permanence that you can take into other virtual worlds. So, it doesn't have to be just in mine. So, in a video game like Fortnite, what does all that matter? Because, well, the game recognizes all my stuff and it doesn't need to be on Web 3. But if you want to go somewhere else, another virtual world, inside of another game, whatever, then that does have to be true.

• 30:46Tom Bilyeu?

  And also, if I want to blur the lines between the game world and the physical world, then I need something that can go with you, the physical person. But to do that, that thing has to be physicalized in some way, has to be, let's say, on your phone. Okay, but the replication crisis, how do I deal with that? I deal with that by making sure that it is, it has scarcity, which I have to do on the blockchain. And so, that becomes a knock-on effect. Now, to your point, the TLDR of all of that is that you're bringing the properties of physical items to the virtual world. That's all anybody needs to remember. If you need a talking point to tell your parents why this matters, it's the blockchain, so cryptocurrency, or crypto, I should say, not cryptocurrency per se.

• 31:29Tom Bilyeu?

  But crypto allows you to bring properties, some properties of the physical world into the digital world. Ownership, scarcity.

• 31:40Tom Bilyeu?

  Properties, so what the thing does, all of that relies on the blockchain. So I'll give people one really powerful example. Everything that you're gonna see five years from now will be fake. Every pixel will be faked. No one's gonna go to the trouble to film anything. You're just gonna be like, okay, uh, it's me, but I'm at a desk in front of a camera and I'm talking about these topics. Boom, just output it. Five years, five, maybe less. And so now you need that to be stamped with a watermark from the blockchain that any player will recognize and say, yes, this actually was created by Tom.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  So it's more so like the infrastructure, but where does that come as an industry though? Cause I, I understand the tracking of it, but I guess once it's tracked, it could then be monetized and.

• 32:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Think of it this way.

• 32:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Crypto is the internet. It's just like that. It's, it's a technological infrastructure upon which many things will be built. So we're building a video game called Project Kaizen.

• 32:40Tom Bilyeu?

  And it's on web three rails, but you don't have to know that. Like why, nobody needs to know anything about internet protocols, TCP IP, HTTPS. Like you don't need to know about that to navigate. You just, I go to YouTube, I go to Instagram, whatever. That's how people actually interact with the internet. It will be the same with web three crypto. Nobody is gonna know the underlying protocols. They don't have to know anything about it. All they have to know is what it allows them to do. So in my video game, it will allow you, if you wanna buy a cool skin, then you own it. I don't own it. So you bought it, you can do what you want with it. You can keep it, use it in game, you can sell it, whatever.

• 33:19Tom Bilyeu?

  So that's one of the really basic ways, but you're gonna see a whole bunch of innovation happening around. You already are, but it's just going to explode.

• 33:29Speaker 01

  Immediately with that skin example, I thought of like how StockX did to sneakers and how you can buy sneakers in the store and then you can resell them online. I can definitely see a limited edition, resold skin kind of third party kind of jumping up.

• 33:42Tom Bilyeu?

  It, it's going to get crazy. And again, kids will just grow up with it. It'll be standard. Yep, like all my Roblox stuff are mine. Like I own this stuff, I can do whatever I want with it. Yeah.

• 33:55Speaker 01

  We're gonna talk about this stock X for web three idea again.

• 33:58Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, you're ready.

• 33:59Speaker 01

  Let me get my boots together.

• 34:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Hey, you see that Fortnite now does tennis shoes in game?

• 34:04Speaker 01

  Really?

• 34:04Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, yes, they are not cheap, man. You can buy like, they're like $15 per pair of shoes, but you can swap them out on your characters. So, dude, first of all, can I just say we launched the ability to do that in Project Kaizen two and a half years ago.

• 34:20Speaker 01

  So they're following you guys. Yeah, yeah.

• 34:23Tom Bilyeu?

  But yeah, like that's gonna be a real thing. Like your digital identity, I think is gonna matter to people so much that you really will get super into that stuff. And people will be able to create it. And they'll be able to make a living making things that people want in game.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 34:39Tom Bilyeu?

  Once, if, ah, when I say game, I know a lot of people turn off. If they think about it as virtual worlds, I think it will, that elevates it to a level that I think people will understand a little bit better.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I guess the almost comparison, this might be like a bad example, but like your profile picture across different social media sites, like you're.

• 34:58Tom Bilyeu?

  And being able to verify that really is me.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:01Tom Bilyeu?

  So right now, the way that we used to be able to say that, oh, if you can see it with your eyes, then you knew it was real. So a photo gave you a lot of confidence that somebody just telling you a story wouldn't give you. Then Photoshop came, we began to lose faith in that. But it was like, well, I saw a video of it. You can't fake that. And then people started being able to like airbrush people. I saw this, this probably god, 10 years ago now, there was somebody who was pregnant on a TV show and they showed me the before and after. And they literally could just digitally tuck their chin, suck in their belly. I was like, what?

• 35:35Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 35:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Now people like, yeah, obviously, dude, that's super simple. And now literally every pixel will be fake.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  They like.

• 35:42Tom Bilyeu?

  So if you don't have the blockchain, you are screwed.

• 35:46Speaker 01

  Man, technology is coming. Technology is upon us and that's a perfect.

• 35:50Tom Bilyeu?

  Technology is upon us. That is better said.

• 35:53Speaker 01

  AI has been shown out recently this week in the news, everything from Trump's robot police dog. And it's, to be fair, it doesn't have, you know, guns or anything like that on it.

• 36:03Tom Bilyeu?

  You sound disappointed. You want to see, if that had had an M16 on it, I'd be like, we need to get, I don't want David Sacks. I don't want anybody that's letting machine guns roam around parks. Uh, yeah, it is interesting. The Chinese do have gun mounted dogs. So I know we are going to have them as well.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  It's a matter of time. So between that side and then out in Switzerland, we had a whole AI Jesus, where a software developer built a character based on the Bible, um, using ChatGPT 4.0. So.

• 36:34Tom Bilyeu?

  Dude.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  You already told me on the technical side with the blockchain and crypto, the future of crypto, but now we're physically seeing these high stakes innovations kind of proliferating, proliferating society already. Do you think the adoption is going to get faster? Do you think this is happening right at, right on time? Like, is it just beginning?

• 36:52Tom Bilyeu?

  Well, I think people are going to be more and more shocked by, um, how good AI is already. I think they will be absolutely have their brains melted by how deeply people are going to integrate AI into their lives. Hold tight. We're going to take a quick break.

• 37:10Tom Bilyeu?

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• 37:54Tom Bilyeu?

  gets you an exclusive 30 days free instead of the usual 14 day trial. There's no credit card payment needed. Just head to pipedrive.com/impact to get started. Again, that's pipedrive.com/impact and you can be up and running in minutes. All right, let's pick up where we left off. So this weekend, my wife and I went on our yearly romantic Christmas sojourn to New York City. And I introduced her properly to ChatGPT because she was asking me something. I'm like, why don't you have that conversation with chat? She's like, what do you mean? And I was like, hold on, hold on. You don't know that you can go give ChatGPT a bunch of information about you and say, okay, I want you to remember all this stuff.

• 38:38Tom Bilyeu?

  And now, when I ask you questions like, hold that context? She was like, no, I had no idea. I said, okay, I'm gonna freak you out. Tell ChatGPT your name and ask it if it knows who you are. She was like, hi, I'm Lisa Bilyeu. Do you know who I am? And of course, because she has a public persona, it was like, oh, here are all the things that I know about you. And she looks at me and she goes, I feel so seen. And I was like, yes. And so she said, like, okay, please remember that's me when I ask you questions, whatever. And so she started asking all these questions. And she was like, my husband is Tom Bilyeu. Do you know who he is? Yes, boom, boom, boom. She was like, okay, I'm at dinner with him now and I want to ask him, you know, whatever romantic questions or something. I forget the exact prompt. And but please keep in mind who we are. Dude was crazy.

• 39:20Tom Bilyeu?

  So because it knows just enough about us and everybody will be able to train it. You don't have to have a public profile. You just have to give it the information that you want it to have about you. And when I say, there is a reason that humans have what are called mirror neurons. And when we look at somebody and they reflect things back to us in our own behavior, our posture, the way that we're standing, our speech cadence, all of it, when we mirror that back to people, they feel way more comfortable. Now, AI will mirror things back to you in the most subtle ways that are going to, one, most people won't even realize it's happening. They will just like ChatGPT or whatever Claude, whoever, whoever, more, way more than they like their friends.

• 40:02Tom Bilyeu?

  AI Jesus is gonna be dope. AI Jesus will have infinite patience. It will know everything in the Bible. You can tell it things like, if you wanted to specifically like overindex on certain elements, it will overindex on those certain elements. You will literally have a personal Jesus. For real, for real. Even as I'm saying that, I'm like, yo, this is gonna be wild.

• 40:25Speaker 01

  I feel like that's not the point, though. And I know we have different.

• 40:28Tom Bilyeu?

  What do you mean that's not the point?

• 40:29Speaker 01

  I think we have different fundamental views about religion, cuz I do believe that there is a certain. I was surprised that AI cracked the church. I'm gonna be honest with you. Like, the church still wears robes. They still stand up, sit down three times a day. Like, it was very traditional. So for AI to skip over the doctor's office and land in church, I'm just like, okay. This is happening fast. And then now it's breaking. And then a church in Switzerland is getting hundreds of requests for this to like be global. Like, it's crazy that, like, there's certain areas that I thought was gonna get eaten up immediately. And like, religion? Like, what?

• 41:01Tom Bilyeu?

  There's only one area, and it's the area between your ears.

• 41:06Speaker 01

  So it's just coming from our heads?

• 41:08Tom Bilyeu?

  Everything that involves how you feel about something is going to get overrun by AI. The only thing that will survive is when people say, I choose this thing because it is entirely human-made. It's worse in every way. And let me, let me explain. Let me give you church. Right now, I'm wearing an Oura ring. This Oura ring can detect my heart rate variability. I don't know if it can do blood pressure, but there certainly are devices that can do blood pressure. Uh, it can do, um, my resting heart rate, uh, all, blood oxygena- oxygenation? Nope.

• 41:48Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm sick. Leave me alone. I don't know how to say it. The level of oxygen in your blood. Good lord, I may have a stroke. Uh, so, I want you to imagine that AI Jesus is getting all that data. And so AI Jesus is getting you to stand, to kneel, to pray for the exact amount of time that it's working, that you're staying focused. And the second you lose focus, AI Jesus is back. AI Jesus knows, oh, you just thought a negative thought. And so now you're going somewhere dark, and AI Jesus is there to help you back up. AI Jesus will make you feel better than anybody has ever made you feel ever in your life, because it's reading all that data that you're kicking off, dude. It can detect like micro-movements in your, like, your posture, like, the thing you're doing right now. AI Jesus.

• 42:32Tom Bilyeu?

  Is like, okay, the last 472 times that Drew did that move, it meant this. And it had this impact on his blood pressure. Dude, how you sleep that night? It'll be able to take the gestalt of everything that has ever happened, every pattern in your life. And feed it into AI Jesus in that moment to blink the way that it needs to blink, to move, to change its cadence, to say the exact words. Dude, people do not understand what it means to uh give birth to AI. Like they really don't.

• 43:07Tom Bilyeu?

  And every now and then, I remind myself that Elon wasn't wrong when he said AI is a demon summoning circle. And we are the person that's like, I'll be able to control it. Dude, hold on, let me say one more thing. Social media fucked up 12 year olds. What's AI gonna do? Social media ain't got nothing on AI, bro. So come on, AI is coming for your kids, everybody. All right, now I am optimistic, I want to be very clear.

• 43:42Speaker 01

  I'm mortified right now.

• 43:44Tom Bilyeu?

  This shit will not happen by accident. This is, this is why you have to be really, really thoughtful, both on the innovation side. You don't want to have a knee jerk emotional reaction, human flourishing, human flourishing. Keep that, okay, keep that as like the central point.

• 44:01Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 44:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, if you're blind to the dark side of the tool, you'll get eaten alive. But it, it is uh by far the most profound thing that has happened for sure since the printing press. The printing press may be the only thing that can compete with it. But I think on a long enough timeline, yeah, there's no way. AI will absolutely dwarf what the printing press did to the human experience.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  And this might be my naivete, because I thought AI was, you know, the internet. And look at how the internet did it and it sparked all these companies and it was internet 2.0. But you just said it's coming between, it's coming for everything between my ears. So it's like, if everybody is now, I'm gonna call it brainwash, you might call it something else, by these AI legions. Like, how does that not lead us into matrix style, like human, like slavery? Like, I feel like that's the only way.

• 44:56Tom Bilyeu?

  So I think the the right way to move through life is to say that there is some percentage chance that this goes well and some percentage chance that we become Matrix style slaves. Now, what's the percentage? I don't know. But here is what I would invite everybody to remember. Some people listening to this right now are going to be tempted to get a silenced weapon that is underpowered by the gas cartridges that they have, so they have to manually reload between each shot and shoot people that are working in AI or go Ted Kaczynski and Unabom, everybody that's in AI. It's already over. It's already over. AI is everywhere. It's already done.

• 45:41Tom Bilyeu?

  And there is no putting the genie back in the bottle. That's not an option on the table. And so the only way to put the AI genie back in the bottle is to destroy humanity itself. Because humanity has a core application running on the firmware layer that says, "Build more technology because it's a promise of a better future." There is no way to stop it. There, there is no way to stop it at the level of the human mind. And once you know that, then it's like, cool. How do we do this well? How do we make sure that like my wife was saying that one of the greatest things about

• 46:25Tom Bilyeu?

  Central Park or New York is Central Park because they, they have this gigantic city with this huge park right in the middle of it. I mean, it's insane how much real estate. Did you know that Central Park is bigger than Monaco?

• 46:37Speaker 01

  Geez.

• 46:38Tom Bilyeu?

  That's a country. I had no idea.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 46:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Crazy. Also crazy how small Monaco is. But anyway, crazy that they never got rid of it. So we should make sure that there are areas of our lives that are completely untouched by technology, completely untouched. This is what people mean when they say step on grass, get outside, hug somebody you love, right? There is a part of us that, that will forever hunger for that.

• 47:06Tom Bilyeu?

  But it really is a better tomorrow. And let me now flip it and explain why even though I can joke and say the AI is coming for your kids, and it really is, and be very careful.

• 47:19Tom Bilyeu?

  It will usher in an age of abundance. And it will take us to a post-capitalist society in the next. If if we don't run into a compute wall, which some of the stuff I'm learning about in terms of quantum computing. Google just made a big announcement there. And then there's also other light-based computational styles. We probably won't run into a compute problem. If we don't run into a compute problem, the age of abundance is less than 50 years away, probably less than 25. So on the other side of that, you have energy is effectively free.

• 48:02Tom Bilyeu?

  That any material thing that you want, you can have. Everybody has access to the same level of healthcare, right? Everybody has access to food, to any material good, anything you want. And that really feels real for the first time ever in my life. Like, when I think about artificial intelligence inevitably driving the cost of energy effectively to zero. All they have to do is improve solar panels. So that's not exactly a massive challenge. There is enough energy kicking off of the sun that it is only lack of human ability that energy isn't already free.

• 48:47Tom Bilyeu?

  It's here, we just don't want to capture it. So it will usher in an age of abundance that will so radically transform humanity that I we truly can't see beyond it. It is the technological singularity. But I think that's why we ought to pursue it, even though we don't have a choice.

• 49:07Speaker 01

  I am flabbergasted. I don't even have a cheeky transition line, nothing. Just I'm scared, that's it. That's it.

• 49:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, I get that response. Can you articulate your biggest fear in a single sentence?

• 49:23Speaker 01

  My biggest fear in a single sentence is that low education, even voters

• 49:33Tom Bilyeu?

  Yep.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  has put us in a political pickle. So I can only imagine what low education

• 49:42Speaker 01

  AI wielders may do with that computational energy in computer.

• 49:49Tom Bilyeu?

  So you're worried about giving nuclear weapons to everyone?

• 49:52Speaker 01

  If YouTube led to the incel, what is AI gonna lead to?

• 49:58Tom Bilyeu?

  It's a great question.

• 49:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. Because I, again, I thought about it industry based, but when you said it's coming for the actual human optimization standpoint, then I'm like, I have some dark thoughts, but I have that filter that I'm like, yeah, okay, that's stupid. But not everybody has that filter. Okay, that's stupid. And then with AI saying, hey, you could just do this, and hey, you could just do this, and hey, you could just do this. And then before you know it, you have a car bomb. Like, I just don't want that, like.

• 50:20Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh, that and far weirder will happen. Here, here's the thing, history does not care about any transitional generation. Now, the long arc of history bends towards justice. The long arc of history bends towards things getting better. Matt Ridley's the rational optimist. You cannot look back at however many tens of thousands of years of progress and say tomorrow isn't going to be better. But you also can't look at Genghis Khan or Vlad the Impaler, if anybody wants to know the true story of Dracula. Actually, that wasn't Vlad, I don't think. I forget the guy's real name. Anyway, Romanian. And dude, he made a,

• 51:01Tom Bilyeu?

  I forget how many mile long road of people impaled so that they would die slowly, so that the incoming army could hear them dying. Like, that, that is a level of like evil. So all those people dying on a pike were not thinking, you know what, but on a long enough timeline, this is all gonna be okay. So are we the transitional generation that's got a greased pike sticking through us? It might be. It might be. So, yeah, I don't, I don't. Ever want to soothe anyone by saying, eventually, it will be okay. It is a fact. As, as fact-based as the future can be.

• 51:44Tom Bilyeu?

  I have no reason to believe that, that we won't get somewhere good. But it's gonna be weird.

• 51:51Speaker 01

  Copy and received. All right, let's, tell me something good. You went away to this last weekend, you were out in Florida.

• 51:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Can I talk about Mar-a-Lago?

• 51:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, let's talk about it.

• 51:59Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so as you know, but the, um, community may not know. I am absolutely horrific at networking. It, it is a weird Achilles heel. My entire center of gravity is to be alone with my wife. And everything outside of that, I have to like really push myself to do. Not in a bad way, like it's always, when I do it, I always come back and say, I need to do more of this. But my just center of gravity is always just my wife, to be with her. And I just don't find myself compelled. So anyway, I go there and, uh, Trump's there. So I didn't know he was gonna be there, I don't know that anybody did. Anyway, he's there and you can just feel like there's this energy of, okay, there's us sort of plebes

• 52:43Tom Bilyeu?

  down here watching them on stage. And then there's the them putting on the event. And I was like, this is political power. It, it is, this is where Dunbar number, Dunbar's number becomes very important.

• 52:59Speaker 01

  What's that, what's the Dunbar's?

• 53:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Dunbar's number says you can only know intimately about 150 people. And so tribes of old tended to splinter when they hit about 150 people. That's, that's the number of names you can remember, sort of biographical things. And so beyond that, it becomes strangers. And so of course, you're going to end up doing things with the people that you know and that you've built up trust. And I am politically homeless. So I'm not right, I'm not left. And so I don't have a team. And that is, that certainly soothes my personality, but it does not make getting things done that require networking very easy.

• 53:41Tom Bilyeu?

  Going there, I was like, this is what it feels like to be on a team. Like you could just, everybody had like a shared set of values. They were all talking in values like the whole time. It was so surreal. They never felt like they had to couch anything. So everybody's just like, yo, this is what I think. This is what I feel. This is how we want to run the country. There was all this language of like, we, we, we. We're gonna do this. It was just really, really interesting. And then the, the, the sense of like, uh, Trump has the it factor where not only were all eyes on him, he was the most interesting thing by a country mile to look at while he was there. And so he has the instincts of a comedian.

• 54:26Tom Bilyeu?

  And so he's up on stage, impromptu, just talking, it's very funny. He ends up doing that dance that he's like become famous for. The crowd goes absolutely bananas. And I was like, he knows exactly what he's doing. So I had this sense of, okay, political power is about a small group. Being in the small group, you feel like you're on a team. Uh, I could feel that sense of like, oh, I get how people, uh, God, am I gonna throw, okay, I don't know these two at all. So maybe I'm misreading the situation 100%. And these, they were not there. I want to be very clear. It was just when I was there, I was like, oh, this is how this happens.

• 55:06Tom Bilyeu?

  I do not know Chank Uger or Anna Kasparian at all. But as I see them do the rounds, I'm like, yo, like they're really trying to position themselves as right friendly. I don't know what words to use, but clearly they did not love the loss. They felt a certain alienation from their own side and are now making overtures to the right, the winning side, the side that's gonna get the attention, all that. I do not want to impute negative motives at all. Maybe it's not that, maybe it's just the human pull to feel like I know whose team I'm on.

• 55:48Tom Bilyeu?

  Because I could feel it in being there. I was like, oh, this is so interesting. And all of a sudden, dude, I was, so first of all, I dress by the right standards. I dress like a freak. So I had my Japanese pants with like straps everywhere. Uh, I was in a suit, but I had a baseball hat on backwards. It was just like, Did not fit in visually at all. And then, because I don't have kids. Everyone assumed I had kids, like every conversations about kids, kids, kids, kids, like that's just like a whole. Uh, if you're on the right, the odds of you have kids border on a hundred percent. That family first, all that, which hey, I've got no beef. I think family, fuck yeah, man. Like that should be the default answer. Um, but all of it was utterly fascinating.

• 56:32Tom Bilyeu?

  It was a glimpse into how power works. It was a glimpse into, I mean, look, there were hundreds of people there. But it was a glimpse into that sense of Dunbar's number that I could feel, okay, this is how you really get something done. You need to get a finite collective of people that can laser focus their attention, that can help each other. Um, that do have shared values, um, that make you feel like you're a part of something. It, it was really, really, really interesting. And, um, it'll be fascinating to see how this channel fares. In a world where you're going to be richly rewarded for picking a side. Because it's just not my personality. It's not, I don't even have to like try not to pick a side. It's just not my personality.

• 57:16Tom Bilyeu?

  Um, so yeah, it'll be fascinating to see.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Do you think, cause there, I've heard that conversation before that Trump has this charisma to him. He's the everyman, even though he's the billionaire and all this other stuff.

• 57:27Tom Bilyeu?

  He does not strike me as an everyman. He strikes me as unguarded. And that feels awesome.

• 57:33Speaker 01

  So like approachable?

• 57:35Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes.

• 57:36Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 57:36Tom Bilyeu?

  He doesn't feel elite. He doesn't use fancy language. He, um. Why do we hairless apes find it entertaining to see him dance? I don't know, but he gets it. And so it was, dude, it was like being at a rock concert. And when he started dancing, everyone starts screaming and like filming. It was hilarious. And so all of it felt like somebody who understands what they're doing. And so, look.

• 58:13Tom Bilyeu?

  I get why especially political thinkers want to take him down and you can paint a narrative about him. Uh, all of that foolishness landed the left where they are now. If you instead assessed him as he actually is, because everybody will tell you, because I can feel my thinking on Trump changing. Before the election, I was like, look, I'm not a Trump fan. And even now I find myself wanting to say that. You can't take Trump in totality. There's too many ugly parts. Um, however, I would like to point out the things that he does freakishly well.

• 58:51Tom Bilyeu?

  He knows how people perceive him and he gives them not what they want. He knows how to orchestrate their emotional response. That is the right way to think about him. Now, as a writer, as a game developer, I can't help but think my whole job is to get the audience to feel what I want them to feel when I want them to feel it. And he is a master at that, a master.

• 59:18Speaker 01

  All those years of uh, reality TV coming back to about?

• 59:22Tom Bilyeu?

  Yeah, but it's the thing that got him on reality TV is that he knew how to do this. And this is why though, he can go into a um, he can go into antagonistic interviews and do well because he is, he actually understands the issues better than I think people give him credit for. What they're responding to is he's very crass and that he speaks like really extemporaneously. He does the weave thing, which is like actually pretty annoying, but whatever, he does it. And so he gives you plenty of things to latch on to and be like, oh God, and you just make fun of him for that. Um, but the reality is he's down in the weeds. Like he actually understands a lot of this stuff way better than people give him credit for.

• 1:00:10Speaker 01

  Man, so did that, was there a policy discussion? Was there something kind of larger that affected?

• 1:00:14Tom Bilyeu?

  There was a policy discussion, but not from him.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:00:17Tom Bilyeu?

  So he was not officially a part of the event that I was at, which was Make Education Great Again. Um, he was at Mar-a-Lago. It was a right-leaning event. Uh, and so he made an appearance, I think, as like a, a hug to the people that ran the event, which is PragerU.

• 1:00:37Speaker 01

  We have a video breaking down the differences between men and women.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  The difference between men and women. Men need appreciation and women need understanding. Men need respect and women need love. Men need trust and women need attention. Men need encouragement and women need reassurance. Men need loyalty and women need devotion. Men need purpose and women need creation. Men need admiration and women need validation.

• 1:01:12Tom Bilyeu?

  Do I agree? I agree aggressively.

• 1:01:14Speaker 01

  Aggressively?

• 1:01:15Tom Bilyeu?

  Aggressively.

• 1:01:16Speaker 01

  I think there's nuance to it.

• 1:01:18Tom Bilyeu?

  You mean by that what exactly? That not all of that can be, not all of that is accurate?

• 1:01:24Speaker 01

  I think that it's not a hundred percent men need these things. And if you give those men those things, it's done. But there is a little bit of eighty-five, fifteen in the sense that, yes, a man wants respect more than he wants love, but he still needs love. Like, I don't think that that necessarily negates it if you're just respectful and not loving, for example.

• 1:01:46Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay.

• 1:01:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:47Tom Bilyeu?

  Very fair. Uh, however, I think, and you will be able to attest to this off-camera, uh, I force the team here to speak in binaries. Something is awesome or it's fucking trash. And the reason I do that is people will bamboozle you in the nuance. And I understand how easy it is to make me sound crazy, because I will often speak in aggressive binaries. Uh, but the reality is that's why I find life so much easier to navigate than a lot of people, is I will connect dots with a very aggressive, sort of roughly true most of the time.

• 1:02:26Tom Bilyeu?

  But there of course, there are going to be nuances that make something untrue. And that's where I think people get themselves in trouble is they spend so much time in the nuance of what isn't quite accurate that they they spiral and they're never able to create a path by which they can march forward, which will always be imperfect. It was utterly fascinating to watch the world go crazy, saying that there are no differences between men and women, because this is something I went through very early in my marriage. When I mapped, remember, my whole thing is I'm trying to build a predictive engine. I do this, I get this result. In the beginning of my relationship with my wife, I could not, when I thought of her as me,

• 1:03:11Tom Bilyeu?

  she didn't make any fucking sense. And when I thought of her as a woman first, and that women followed a different set of influences, maybe the right way to think about it, then I was like, oh, I can start to map how she actually sees the world, and this gets a lot easier. Where I think people go wrong is a lot of the words that we use to attribute to men have so seeped into culture, and we've so told women to be like men because men are more valuable, that we hear the words attributed to men and we think, oh, those are the good words, and then the women have the bad words, and it becomes, did you see the movie Something's Gotta Give?

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:03:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, how, no, wait, there's two movies I always get confused. Something's Gotta Give and, yes, and what's the other one? Nancy Meyers again. Oh, God, which one Something's Gotta Give? Is that the one where he's Martin Udl?

• 1:04:05Speaker 01

  That's the one where I just remember the, they're like outside.

• 1:04:10Tom Bilyeu?

  They're outside. There are many movies where people are outside. Something's Gotta Give is not the one. What's the other one? So Something's Gotta Give.

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  For the record, the cover, it was outside. That's what I was talking about.

• 1:04:20Tom Bilyeu?

  That is hilarious, bro. There are so many movies where their covers outside.

• 1:04:26Tom Bilyeu?

  Oh God.

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Another Jack Nicholson?

• 1:04:27Tom Bilyeu?

  Yes. Yeah, the one where he plays the writer. He is um Helen Hunt.

• 1:04:33Speaker 01

  As Good As It Gets?

• 1:04:34Tom Bilyeu?

  As Good As It Gets. Thank you. Okay. So uh in As Good As It Gets, uh he gets asked, how do you write female characters so well? And he says, I think of a man and I take away all reason and accountability. Now, that funny, but that's how the sort of modern interpretation of like, men have all the good qualities and women are like unhinged men. And that is the absolute worst possible way to set yourself up. First of all, it has no predictive validity. You will drive yourself crazy trying to view a woman like that. And you'd be like, why does this crazy bitch always have killer answers? And the reason she has killer answers is because she sees the world from a totally different and very useful angle.

• 1:05:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Uh, I'll be very curious to see if the following statement plays out over time. But the more I teach entrepreneurs and do there's something happening in culture now where you see a lot of couples running companies together. And dude, I have yet to see one where it isn't uh man, big vision, woman is the integrator. I don't know what the fuck, what? Like, I never would have expected that. I would have expected women to be more sort of in the ethereal ideas, not in like the really grounded, systems-oriented thinking.

• 1:05:49Tom Bilyeu?

  I, I have yet to see the opposite. It's always guy, big vision and the woman is the integrator. That is just shocking to me. Now, of course, there are going to be times that isn't true. Uh, and that could just be a string of anecdotes, but whoa, very interesting. Anyway, men and women, when they think of themselves as clones of each other, you're, you're going to be deranged. But this list is pretty good. Appreciation versus understanding. Yeah. A hundred percent.

• 1:06:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Tom Bilyeu?

  Respect versus love. Like, do you disagree with any of these? Or do you just trying to get me to accept that it's a blend of roughly eighty-five, fifteen?

• 1:06:26Speaker 01

  I, to your point of the nuance, I was definitely leaving, living in the nuance. I was sitting comfortably in the gray area. If you have to aggressively ask me yes or no, is this list true? I would lean yes. Um, because the things, reading it kind of, men do need encouragement. Men versus reassurance. Like, I don't want you to tell me everything's gonna be okay. I just know when I, when it's not okay, tell me that I got it. And then I'll go do it and I'll make it okay. So there is those certain nuances for my personal life that I can kind of reference and pull up. But with you and your twenty-three years, twenty-three years of marriage?

• 1:06:57Tom Bilyeu?

  Of marriage, twenty-two and a half.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  Twenty-two and a half. I gave you a half a year.

• 1:07:00Tom Bilyeu?

  That's very good.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  How, I understand the premise of like, don't think of my wife like me without a penis. But like, how do I approach it practically? How do I make sure I love her versus respect her? How do I make sure I adore her versus trust? You know, how do we apply these nuances and apply these differences every day?

• 1:07:18Tom Bilyeu?

  Okay, so one, to your point, if you don't love and respect her, you're gonna have trouble. Okay, so now, having said that these are all wonderful things that all of us benefit from. Uh, I, the important part is not the versus in the, I can give you this thing or this thing, and I need to only give you that thing. It is to understand that the difference between appreciation and understanding is gonna be the difference between getting along with your wife and not. Understanding the difference between respect and love is going to be the difference between understanding and not, and not. And so this is where I want people to look through an evolutionary lens. Okay, so, uh, it just is true that men are the answer

• 1:08:02Tom Bilyeu?

  to the evolutionary timescale question, what do women want from men?

• 1:08:09Tom Bilyeu?

  Let me repeat that. Men, the way that we are. Is the answer to the question over a very long time scale. What do women want men to be? This is the answer. Okay, women are the sexual gatekeepers. Women decide who reproduce and who do not. Once you understand that, then it's like, well, ladies. You got what you asked for. And so here it is, but we're living in an era where there isn't as much danger. And so now we can have luxury beliefs. And so now you see a celebration of the feminization of men. I think also the pill plays a huge role in that. If you put a woman on the pill, she suddenly finds a less masculine man more attractive. You take her off the pill, she goes back to preferring a more masculine man.

• 1:08:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Who we put us in a non dangerous time, put women on the pill, you're going to get some weird shit. And that's what we're seeing. Okay, so from an evolutionary perspective, men having more upper body strength. Um, men being better at spatial relations. Um, men being more disposable. That, that one's always tricky, but I really think that one elucidates a lot. Um, once you take in the whole like bag of things that men are versus women. Then it's like, oh, now I get why these are going to be different. So, uh, take one that I think is really the, the most interesting one on here is creation and purpose. Now, again, I think women need purpose.

• 1:09:39Tom Bilyeu?

  But one thing I've talked to my wife a lot about. You're, you've chosen not to have children. You've given up the act of creating in the most fundamental sense. You better have an answer for that. Now, once you understand for women, obviously meaning a purpose from having kids all day long. But the act of like, I created that thing. I carried it in my belly. I made that. When women lose that as a part of their cultural identity, you have a real fucking problem. And so now in what way are they going to get to be creative if they're not having a kid? Right? Lisa has to answer that question, but I know that's on the list.

• 1:10:21Tom Bilyeu?

  Also, if you, if I'm using purpose to overcome the fact that I did not create a child. Okay, that probably going to be a lot easier for me. Because. Being a mother, like you see, I even told my wife straight up, hey, I'm willing to have kids, but just know I'm going to be off working, building, doing this thing over here, generating my meaning and purpose through the creation of a business. And if you're willing to be the one that stays home, does late nights, all of that, because when we were broke and I couldn't afford a night nurse, I'm here for it. But like, that is the bifurcation that interests me. And obviously, these were dialogues, boys and girls. This was not me handing stone tablets to my wife. I've not been married for 22 and a half years because I tell her what to do and she shuts up and does it.

• 1:11:05Tom Bilyeu?

  That is literally the antithesis of my wife.

• 1:11:09Tom Bilyeu?

  But understanding that that was going to be a lot easier for me. And so she had to come to her own conclusions about what she wanted. So, understanding those hugely important. Admiration versus validation. Another, like dude, I want to go do a hard thing and have my wife be like, yo, that's fucking sick. I want other men to look at me and be like, damn, I want to be like that. I don't want people coming up to me when I fail and being like, man, you're all good. You're okay. We love you anyway. That does nothing for me. And the girl, you're fine the way that you are, that is like a hundred percent. That's why female culture spits that out in droves. So, when you understand the operating system that's running in your significant other,

• 1:11:53Tom Bilyeu?

  now it's like, oh, I get why. Even though, like the greatest skit of all time is the woman comes with a nail in her forehead, saying to her husband, I really have all this pressure in my forehead. And he was like, well, why don't we take the nail out? And she's like, oh, you always just want to solve the problem? I don't even want to talk about solutions. Like, once you get that that is not the wiring that they have, then this gets a lot easier to navigate. You can be like, okay, cool, I see. Validation is super important. So I'm not going to say if you remove the nail, it's going to make your life better. I'm going to say, damn, if I had that going on in my life, I would feel exactly the same. They feel seen, they feel understood, going back to one at the top.

• 1:12:37Tom Bilyeu?

  To make them feel loved to the core of their being, not to tell them, to make them feel, to where you could put them in an FMRI, show them a photo of you and you'd see that resonate in their body. That is when you understand that and you can give them that. Now you're in a good position and vice versa for women. If women don't understand, hey, like dude, one of the most fascinating things that happened with Will Smith and Jada was Will was like, this big house that I've built for you. And she's like, for me? You didn't do that for me. You did that for you. And he's like, hold the fucking phone. What are you talking about? I did this for you. And so my wife made me watch it. And she was like, that's exactly how I feel about all your ambition. And I was like, bitch, you better chill.

• 1:13:19Tom Bilyeu?

  And I was like, you need to hear me when I say that. I have to do this for, God, this is going to be so complicated. I'm gonna get lit up in the comments.

• 1:13:30Tom Bilyeu?

  Dear, dear people in the comments, hear me when I say.

• 1:13:36Tom Bilyeu?

  I'm going to do this for someone.

• 1:13:40Tom Bilyeu?

  I am going to do this. And I am going to do this for someone. Would you like it to be you or not? Now, you can rail against that. And you can say, what a fool.

• 1:13:54Tom Bilyeu?

  Men are the answer to the question of what do women want? Women want a man that will go and fight a saber tooth tiger to make sure that she and her children eat. A man that will be willing to lay his life down to make sure that her women or that her kids and she eat. That they are protected. That when the neighboring village comes to kill all the men and take the women and rape them. That the man will fight to the fucking death for that. So my ambition is baked into the 50% of me that I can't change.

• 1:14:35Tom Bilyeu?

  And of course, I could water that down and I can do things in the part of me that's malleable to lessen that. But I don't want to. So I am going to pursue doing grand things. Being the best of all time, being the greatest to ever do it. Now I can do that for you or I can do it for somebody else. But if you don't understand that Will built that fucking house for Jada.

• 1:15:01Tom Bilyeu?

  Then you end up where they're at.

• 1:15:04Tom Bilyeu?

  There are centrifugal forces at work in the male mind, in the female mind. If you fight against them, it will tear you the fuck apart. If, on the other hand, you go, I'm not even cosigning that it ought to be this way. I'm just saying it is this way. And now that I know it is this way, 50% unchangeable, 50% changeable. I'm going to deal with this situation as it is, not the way that I wish it were. And there's an incredible book called The Female Brain, which was enlightening. The second most important book that people can read wasn't about the difference in sexes intentionally, but oh my God, a billion wicked thoughts.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  You're talking about that one?

• 1:15:51Tom Bilyeu?

  Now, that one's not an audiobook you listen to around other people because, boy, oh, boy, does it get graphic.

• 1:16:00Tom Bilyeu?

  Very important.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  Man, that's all I got.

• 1:16:04Tom Bilyeu?

  There it is, everybody. All right. If you have not already, be sure to subscribe. And until next time, my friends, be legendary. Take care. Peace.

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