Bugatti Reclaims the Speed World Record, and a Bad 2025 for Electric Pickups!

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• 0:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 0:07Speaker 01

  I'm Ken.

• 0:07Speaker 02

  I'm Filippo.

• 0:08Doug DeMuro?

  And happy new year, everyone. It's 2025. Filippo is still writing 24 on his personal checks.

• 0:13Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 0:14Doug DeMuro?

  He will for another 40 days or so. But it's our first podcast of the new year and we begin with the news. And actually, a rather dark turn for our podcast. There were some incidents last week. Uh, there was in New Orleans, there was a pickup truck that was used to drive through a crowd and kill a bunch of people. And then there was an explosion in, uh, outside of a casino in Las Vegas. Both of these incidents used electric pickup trucks, which was unusual. I saw the Lightning pictures that morning and I was like, huh, that's odd.

• 0:44Speaker 01

  It is odd.

• 0:45Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and then it came out that they were both rented. Now, this is a car news story only in the sense that these are interesting new models. But I'm, I'm kind of curious if it will come out if the person specific, because they were rented. I'm curious if it will come out that the person, especially New Orleans, specifically chose the Lightning because it is heavy and silent and fast.

• 1:02Speaker 01

  I think it's both of the things.

• 1:04Speaker 02

  The silence is an interesting point. Yeah. I wonder if that played into the idea there.

• 1:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:08Speaker 01

  It's like so heavy. Each of the things you said is spot on. It is silent. It is very fast. I actually don't know what trim it was, but they're all relatively fast.

• 1:16Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:16Speaker 01

  And they're so heavy.

• 1:17Doug DeMuro?

  They're so heavy. And you wouldn't hear it. I did read an eyewitness report in one of the news articles. We saw the truck and then we heard him floor it. And I'm like, eyewitnesses are the worst. You did not hear that. But it is interesting. It's interesting and it'll be interesting to see if that, if that is, does come out to be a component of this later, or if they're ever even able to determine that. But obviously odd to see these trucks in that, those back to back news stories.

• 1:41Speaker 01

  And tragic, certainly. Both of them. The Lightning is about 5, a thousand to 2,000 pounds heavier than an F-150.

• 1:47Doug DeMuro?

  Than a regular F-150.

• 1:49Speaker 01

  And obviously.

• 1:49Doug DeMuro?

  Depending on F-150.

• 1:50Speaker 01

  Typically faster.

• 1:51Doug DeMuro?

  Um, yeah.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Which is, this is a scary proposition.

• 1:55Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  And the Cybertruck explosion was wild. I mean, it looked like something out of a video game. Like it really didn't.

• 2:01Doug DeMuro?

  I saw that and the first thing I thought was like, this was not just a Cybertruck exploding.

• 2:05Speaker 02

  No, because a lot of people jumped to that conclusion really fast.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Look at these trucks.

• 2:09Doug DeMuro?

  These EVs.

• 2:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly. But no, definitely not. Especially when they went like that sound.

• 2:14Doug DeMuro?

  Did you watch the video? It's wild. There's like fireworks going off.

• 2:17Speaker 01

  That was an impressive firework imitation.

• 2:19Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:20Doug DeMuro?

  That was.

• 2:20Speaker 02

  I like invitations. I like doing that.

• 2:22Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Give us the next news story, please.

• 2:24Speaker 02

  Felipe?

• 2:25Speaker 01

  For 2025, there are 27 vehicles that are available with a manual transmission.

• 2:29Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 2:30Speaker 01

  That's down a little bit.

• 2:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Barely from 2024. Do you want to just guess any of them?

• 2:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, I bet we could.

• 2:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, I bet we can probably knock them out.

• 2:37Speaker 01

  You want to go?

• 2:38Doug DeMuro?

  No, I don't want to go through all of them.

• 2:39Speaker 02

  I'll give you eight, eight, uh, so CT5V Blackwing.

• 2:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 2:42Speaker 02

  One. Is this the ATS or what's?

• 2:46Speaker 01

  The ATS hasn't existed for about five years.

• 2:49Doug DeMuro?

  Here's a question I have for you. Before we try to name 27 cars, how many of them are still base models of cars?

• 2:54Speaker 01

  There are a couple.

• 2:55Doug DeMuro?

  But there's like two, right?

• 2:56Speaker 01

  The.

• 2:57Doug DeMuro?

  It's morphed into just an enthusiast.

• 2:59Speaker 01

  It really has. The only base models that come to mind are the Nissan Versa. The Kira doesn't.

• 3:04Doug DeMuro?

  Exist and the K4 Pi doesn't have it.

• 3:05Speaker 01

  Correct. But the Nissan Versa does have it.

• 3:07Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  The Mazda 3, which is base-ish.

• 3:11Doug DeMuro?

  Has it.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  And in the base trim.

• 3:13Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 3:13Speaker 01

  And the premium trim, which is base. And that's it.

• 3:16Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  I mean, there's that July is like the sporty version, the Lancia and also the sporty version.

• 3:21Doug DeMuro?

  So the, so the days of manual transmission base models are basically dying with the Versa. Like Mazda would do it anyway because they're sporty. And it's offered in the base trim.

• 3:30Speaker 01

  But also those cars are dead. The Versa is like the only one left.

• 3:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:34Speaker 01

  Really. That's the really small subcompact today.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  So if you want to, if you want to be cool and have a manual, get in a cool car.

• 3:39Doug DeMuro?

  It's interesting. The manual has become in the US anyway, solely the purview of performance cars.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  Which makes sense. Like they're not cheaper to manufacture. They're not more fuel efficient anymore.

• 3:49Doug DeMuro?

  No. That used to be, those used to be two big things. They were cheaper to manufacture. They were more fuel efficient.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:53Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and so automakers would get higher EPA ratings with them so they could advertise. That was always a big deal.

• 3:59Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 3:59Doug DeMuro?

  And then because they were cheaper to manufacture, they could lower the base price.

• 4:02Speaker 01

  Can I give you one Versa fun fact that I pulled from the Autopian?

• 4:05Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think you have a Versa fun fact.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  The Autopian could not find a single press photo of an Elantra, of a new Nissan Versa with a manual transmission. Like on, on Nissan's website, they do not exist.

• 4:16Speaker 02

  Like trying to find a press photo of the first generation Ferrari California with a six speed in it. Really hard to find pictures of that until recently.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  But this is a car that's being sold right now.

• 4:24Doug DeMuro?

  Right now.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  Five speed.

• 4:25Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember those last Mercury Eclipse, or Mitsubishi Eclipse pictures where they just took it outside the factory and snapped some photos?

• 4:31Speaker 01

  Great press photo.

• 4:32Speaker 02

  Yes, by that pond.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  By a pond.

• 4:34Speaker 02

  Man-made.

• 4:36Speaker 01

  Do you want to guess which manu- there's two manufacturers that are tied for the number of model lines that have a manual transmission.

• 4:42Speaker 02

  Can I guess?

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:43Speaker 02

  I think BMW is one of them.

• 4:44Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 4:45Doug DeMuro?

  And Porsche.

• 4:45Speaker 02

  Porsche.

• 4:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 4:47Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 4:47Speaker 01

  Porsche only has three model lines that are available.

• 4:49Doug DeMuro?

  What? How many does BMW have?

• 4:50Speaker 01

  Four.

• 4:51Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 4:51Speaker 01

  But there's one other manufacturer.

• 4:52Speaker 02

  M2, right?

• 4:54Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 4:54Speaker 02

  Uh, M4, M3.

• 4:56Doug DeMuro?

  That's three.

• 4:57Speaker 01

  What a fascinating word to go with.

• 4:57Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, the Z4 now has it.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  Correct.

• 4:59Doug DeMuro?

  The Z4 has a stick now.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  But there is one other manufacturer that has four models that are available with a manual.

• 5:03Doug DeMuro?

  Subaru.

• 5:04Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:04Doug DeMuro?

  Subaru.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:05Doug DeMuro?

  Subaru.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Honda.

• 5:06Doug DeMuro?

  Subaru doesn't sell Ford.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  Honda.

• 5:07Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  Ford. Honda has one.

• 5:09Doug DeMuro?

  Ford, Lincoln, Mercury.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  No. Good effort, though.

• 5:12Doug DeMuro?

  Volkswagen.

• 5:13Speaker 01

  If you keep, no.

• 5:14Doug DeMuro?

  Like the Mercury call it.

• 5:14Speaker 01

  Only, only one, because the GTI is no longer available with a stick.

• 5:17Doug DeMuro?

  What?

• 5:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:18Doug DeMuro?

  They're really screwing us. Plus Volkswagen's going electric. You know, I saw an ID Buzz yesterday and I was like, I want that. I think I want one.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  They're so cool.

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, Toyota is the answer. Toyota is the answer. Uh, Acura has won the Integra, uh, A-800 and Type S.

• 5:32Doug DeMuro?

  What does Toyota get?

• 5:33Speaker 01

  They have the

• 5:33Doug DeMuro?

  Supra?

• 5:33Speaker 01

  Jerkroll.

• 5:34Doug DeMuro?

  Jerkroll.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  The Supra, the 86, the GR86, that's called now, and?

• 5:39Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, manual.

• 5:41Speaker 01

  You have reviewed it. Not a manual form, but you've reviewed it.

• 5:43Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, new Camry.

• 5:44Speaker 01

  No, the new Tacoma is the one you're, you're meant to go with.

• 5:47Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't I review a manual? I thought I did.

• 5:49Speaker 01

  Oh, baby, I don't know.

• 5:49Doug DeMuro?

  I thought I did.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  I haven't watched your Tacoma video. I'm really sorry.

• 5:51Doug DeMuro?

  I've done another one since then and I hasn't caught up yet.

• 5:53Speaker 01

  Um, those are, so did they, Toyota and BMW are tied for the most manual transmission cars they offer?

• 5:58Doug DeMuro?

  Well.

• 5:58Speaker 01

  Toyota and BMW are the two enthusiast brands.

• 6:00Speaker 02

  Well, hats off to all the manufacturers who are still offering manual transmissions in their cars. I'm glad that, you know, a lot of people complain that BMW is, you know, stop listening to their customers, because cars are so ugly. It's like, as we've said a lot, but you can still row your own.

• 6:12Speaker 01

  You can still row it in several different cars.

• 6:13Speaker 02

  There are a lot of people who say, oh, they're not as good, whatever. It's like, well, do you want to row your own gears or not? In my opinion, I'd rather have a third pedal than not. And so I'm glad they're still

• 6:21Speaker 01

  In a lot of cars, four different model lines, apparently.

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 6:24Doug DeMuro?

  He's been tricked by them that the three and the four series are different cars.

• 6:27Speaker 01

  Well, no, I, I will accept it though, but, um, can we all pour one out for our favorite manual transmission car? The Jeep Gladiator that is no longer available with a manual.

• 6:34Doug DeMuro?

  They're ditching the stick Gladiator?

• 6:36Speaker 01

  But old, but the Veyron is still available. Don't worry. Yikes.

• 6:39Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, give me our next news story. There are still quite a few.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  All right, Nissan Honda. We talked last week, or a couple of weeks ago, about how there are talks of them merging, and that they are under a memorandum of understanding about potentially merging.

• 6:52Doug DeMuro?

  And then there's now, there's been some conspiracy theories.

• 6:54Speaker 01

  There haven't been conspiracy theories, just I think that now they're actually having to explain what they might do. And it's becoming more and more clear that the biggest concern is that Nissan will be purchased by a non-Japanese manufacturer. So Foxconn approached Nissan, which makes iPhones, and also probably cars. I mean, I don't know, the Chinese market.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  Make everything.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Foxconn approached Nissan about a takeover, and I think that the Japanese government is really concerned about that.

• 7:18Doug DeMuro?

  Why? They got Toyota, one of the most eminent manual transmission manufacturers.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 7:23Doug DeMuro?

  They don't need anything else.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  But Honda CEO recently was asked at a press conference, "Why are you interested in merging with Nissan?" And his response was, "It's difficult to, that's a difficult question." And then did not expand further.

• 7:38Speaker 02

  Well, we're focused on Seattle.

• 7:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yikes.

• 7:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, so it's, clearly there's a lot of pressure to do it. There's a lot of concerns about what happens.

• 7:46Doug DeMuro?

  I don't understand, why not just let Nissan do what it does? If you want to take over, get a takeover. There are Japanese brands that are real, serious brands. Nissan, Toyota, Subaru, I mean Honda, Toyota, Subaru.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Subaru, of course, is owned largely by Toyota.

• 8:00Doug DeMuro?

  Daihatsu.

• 8:01Speaker 01

  Also owned largely by Toyota.

• 8:02Doug DeMuro?

  Well, great, Toyota's killing it then. We don't have any problems.

• 8:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 8:06Doug DeMuro?

  Mazda, which still makes cars, to this day.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  Also might be partially owned by Toyota. Yeah, it's also partially owned by Toyota.

• 8:13Doug DeMuro?

  When I was a kid, Mazda was more owned by Ford or not. They had some agreement.

• 8:17Speaker 01

  Right, Tribute.

• 8:17Doug DeMuro?

  The Tribute and the Ranger.

• 8:19Speaker 01

  The Navajo.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  And then they helped develop the.

• 8:21Doug DeMuro?

  The Navajo.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  Didn't the Probe, wasn't that also developed?

• 8:23Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, do you remember what the Mazda version was called? Can anyone here get it?

• 8:26Speaker 01

  It wasn't the, it wasn't the 323.

• 8:29Doug DeMuro?

  It was called the MX-6, but in Canada, I am serious about what I'm about to say. In Canada, it was called the MX-6 Myster. You know how it was the MX-5 Miata?

• 8:39Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:40Doug DeMuro?

  The MX-6 Mysteri.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  How's that spelled?

• 8:43Doug DeMuro?

  It was like M-Y-S-T-E-R-E. I'm not sure how it ended. I never heard it said. It was in Canada. The MX-3 in Canada was called the MX-3 Presidia.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  Oh, very nice.

• 8:54Doug DeMuro?

  You remember the MX-3?

• 8:55Speaker 01

  I do.

• 8:55Doug DeMuro?

  It had the world's smallest V6. Remember 1.8 liter V6?

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Vaguely remember this.

• 8:59Speaker 02

  So I did the MX-3, the MX-5, and the MX-6, but no MX-4?

• 9:03Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, I don't remember if there was an MX-4, but I guess, maybe not.

• 9:06Speaker 01

  Huh.

• 9:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Anyway, that was a good, good call out to Pro.

• 9:09Speaker 01

  Your mom had one.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  My mom did have one.

• 9:11Doug DeMuro?

  That was correct.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  There'll still likely be a merger, but it's very clear that it's being driven in large part by fear rather than strategic decisions, let's say.

• 9:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, fear-based mergers are fine.

• 9:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, sure. Uh, nothing wrong with fear.

• 9:24Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Little fear goes a long way.

• 9:27Doug DeMuro?

  Right. For instance, we all feared when Mercedes-Benz and Chrysler got together and boy, we're rewriting.

• 9:34Doug DeMuro?

  That was the worst merger in the history of mergers.

• 9:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:37Speaker 01

  I think we'll have a new competitor. It'll be interesting.

• 9:40Doug DeMuro?

  I do think, to me, it does sound like this is being a little bit pushed by the government. Must be.

• 9:46Speaker 01

  Certainly.

• 9:46Doug DeMuro?

  Honda is obviously in a much better situation. Nissan is kind of a disastrous company. Uh, and so that's a whole interesting thing.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Just like Daimler Chrysler, they will, of course, bill it as a merger of equals.

• 9:56Doug DeMuro?

  A merger of equals.

• 9:57Speaker 01

  And it will not be.

• 10:00Doug DeMuro?

  And hopefully, hopefully, the result of this is infinity goes away. We can all hope.

• 10:05Speaker 01

  Or Acura, or both.

• 10:06Doug DeMuro?

  Acura? By the way, here's an Acura question for you guys. Why doesn't Acura make a luxury minivan? They are obviously the most BS of the luxury brands. I mean, the most, let's not call them BS, the least luxury, right? Like BMW is like, oh, we don't build minivans. Acura like builds minivans. You know what I'm saying? Like mentally, you go to the Acura dealer and you're like, you don't have a minivan.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  So you're saying an Acura version of the Odyssey?

• 10:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 10:34Speaker 02

  Is what you're saying.

• 10:34Doug DeMuro?

  Why not do that?

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:36Doug DeMuro?

  I would buy that.

• 10:37Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, Odyssey's pretty nice as it is.

• 10:38Doug DeMuro?

  I know, but you could have the Acura MLX, MLV, MVX. I don't know. That's how they name cars. I don't know how they, they do weird stuff over there.

• 10:49Speaker 02

  They like to have it end with an X. That's the

• 10:50Doug DeMuro?

  The SUVs end with an, although so do the sedan.

• 10:52Speaker 01

  The sedan.

• 10:53Speaker 02

  So, yeah, they like it.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  Except for the Integra.

• 10:56Doug DeMuro?

  The Integra is the name.

• 10:58Speaker 02

  The X is silent, it's implied.

• 11:00Doug DeMuro?

  I mean it though.

• 11:01Speaker 02

  They'll call the Oasis.

• 11:02Doug DeMuro?

  I mean it though, they should have an Akira minivan.

• 11:04Speaker 01

  They should also have a lot of other, like, they don't have a hybrid or an electric car. They do have, sorry, they do have an electric car, the ZDX.

• 11:09Doug DeMuro?

  I saw ZDX on the road last week.

• 11:11Speaker 01

  You did?

• 11:11Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  You're gonna, you're gonna send me a photo?

• 11:13Doug DeMuro?

  I was, I was in a sport, I was in the Countach, I'm not taking. I'm not taking ZDX pictures in the Countach.

• 11:19Speaker 01

  You see a ZDX on the street, you send Felipe a photo.

• 11:20Doug DeMuro?

  Felipe?

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Fine, I will.

• 11:21Speaker 02

  It's beyond your level of understanding.

• 11:24Doug DeMuro?

  The angles are bad in that car, there's a lot of, uh, there's a lot of, no, in the Countach, I, I, my phone goes away.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, it takes, you're focused on driving, there's nothing else you can do.

• 11:32Speaker 01

  At all times when driving, Doug's phone is away.

• 11:33Doug DeMuro?

  That's true.

• 11:34Speaker 01

  I was hoping that he had a dash cam that could take a photo for me.

• 11:36Doug DeMuro?

  That's true, but if you were ever gonna take your phone out of light, or whatever, you don't do the Countach. You also don't do the Carrera GT because getting started is hard.

• 11:44Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 11:45Doug DeMuro?

  The, the clutch situation is a challenge. Okay, move on to the next news story.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  That's it.

• 11:48Speaker 02

  Ah, yes, so speaking of performance cars.

• 11:50Doug DeMuro?

  A man standing next to a Bugatti.

• 11:52Speaker 02

  Yes, this is the Bugatti Mistral, so this is the final car to be built using the Chiron platform. And this car, their headlights, they light up, they illuminate the road.

• 12:00Doug DeMuro?

  Those are the headlights now, over the years it's changed.

• 12:02Speaker 02

  It changed.

• 12:03Doug DeMuro?

  Let, let, let the adults.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  Go back to sleep. So, the Mistral has set a new record, it is the world's fastest production convertible, it did 282 miles an hour, which beat up the Hennessy Venom GT, which did, itself was very impressive, doing 256 point, or 265.6 miles an hour.

• 12:21Doug DeMuro?

  And of course, the Hennessy Venom GT, as we know, not a production car.

• 12:25Speaker 02

  Right, well, yes, you said it.

• 12:29Speaker 02

  But, yeah, so this was set at Irela S, which is Bugatti's test track, Volkswagen's test track that they have, the same one where James made, the, you know, it has that five mile straight that they can do it on, so naturally, they did, and the driver was.

• 12:40Speaker 01

  Did you ever look at this on Google Maps?

• 12:42Doug DeMuro?

  It's wild.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  It's incredible.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  I'm much more interested in the car of, does it, is it actually a convertible, or did they just, is like a T-top situation?

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Let me, let me show you something, there's no roof. Which means it's a convertible.

• 12:52Doug DeMuro?

  It is. A convertible implies that it can be converted into a roof.

• 12:55Speaker 02

  I know you live in the Corvette world where the coupe and convertible both have roofs that come off.

• 12:59Doug DeMuro?

  What is the deal with that, by the way? Everybody's like, "Oh, I have a coupe." No, you don't. Nobody has a coupe. It doesn't exist.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  Unless you have a C5.

• 13:06Speaker 02

  In my mind, it means the roof does not come off.

• 13:08Doug DeMuro?

  The coupe, the roof comes off. Which is different from the convertible where the roof comes off. It is so weird that we just accept the fact that there are Corvette coupes and convertibles, both of which are convertibles.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Yep, and everyone just goes, "Yup, sounds right." It's just, yeah, but, uh, yes, the roof does come off and you can put a roof on it, making it a convertible.

• 13:27Doug DeMuro?

  You know, it's weird, by the way, I admit I have not paid a lot of attention to Bugatti lately. Uh, I didn't know there was a, the whole thing about Chiron was they didn't do a convertible. But I guess the Mistral, they have a convertible. There was no convertible Chiron. They just renamed it and changed the bodywork a little bit.

• 13:41Speaker 02

  Yes, and they only produced 99 of these, so I mean, it wasn't like it was common. But yeah, 1,578 horsepower is what it took to get it there.

• 13:48Doug DeMuro?

  282 miles an hour in an open roof car.

• 13:51Speaker 02

  Which, and of course, to set the record, my understanding is you have to go in one direction, turn around, come back and do it in the other direction and take the average of the two and that gives you.

• 13:58Doug DeMuro?

  And you gotta presume they do it with the roof off, right? Because the roof can't sustain those speeds, so.

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Imagine.

• 14:05Doug DeMuro?

  It'd be wild.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it would, because it looks like, like, I can't tell if those are intakes there. I would imagine that they're related to something. But like, you're doing 282 miles an hour with no roof.

• 14:14Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, it must be. I mean, think about an airplane. Like, if you open the door in an airplane.

• 14:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:18Doug DeMuro?

  That's what it'd be like.

• 14:19Speaker 02

  The Aero is so.

• 14:20Doug DeMuro?

  I did, for the win. I mean, it would be insane. This dude has no hair because it got blown off 40 minutes earlier when they did the run.

• 14:26Speaker 01

  Airplanes have a different problem.

• 14:27Speaker 02

  Andy Walsh, I'm sure, is wearing the helmet that's in his hand that matches the car, which I'm sure you can buy as a whole. It's probably 25 grand.

• 14:32Doug DeMuro?

  By the way, why does the car say "Sing"? Is this going to a, uh, wealthy, uh, Indian customer?

• 14:37Speaker 02

  Maybe, I don't know. But nonetheless, like, it is cool to, it is cool that this is the way the Chiron goes out as we prepare for the Tour de France.

• 14:45Doug DeMuro?

  It is cool that people are still selling, setting top speed records. I do have to say, though. As I think about the fact that Countach was the fastest car in the world in its day.

• 14:52Speaker 01

  As you often do.

• 14:53Doug DeMuro?

  And I do think about it.

• 14:54Speaker 01

  Oh, I know.

• 14:55Doug DeMuro?

  Although I would never even attempt.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  It was just assumed because nothing, because cars were garbage then.

• 15:00Doug DeMuro?

  It is sad that the purview of the fastest car in the world has become zillion dollar cars. Like you, there was a time when Countach and Mura and Boxer and 2882 were like duking it out. There was a time when you might see the fastest car in the world like parked at a valet stand in your, in your town.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  If you live in a nice city. If you live in Monaco, you're good.

• 15:19Doug DeMuro?

  But like now, these cars are like not attainable. I mean, it's sad that the top speed record has, is like no longer a thing.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  I refer, I agree. I refer to them as concours cars. Like you'll see, when there's a concours, you'll see this like parked at a valet somewhere like, it's a car week car.

• 15:35Doug DeMuro?

  These are production cars in a different sense than like when the old days, when the Daytona was the fastest car in the world. Just because no one made a car with a bigger engine and it just was the fastest, you know? But that was a cool era.

• 15:46Speaker 01

  We need new categories of like production cars where they've actually made.

• 15:49Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 15:50Speaker 01

  Cars. Right. Can I say two things that are going to be controversial here?

• 15:53Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, boy.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  The fact that it's a convertible, when it's a purpose-built car they're making 99 of, it's just an aerodynamics question. And like, the, what the top does doesn't matter. You're not, you don't have a convertible like a powerful top.

• 16:04Doug DeMuro?

  It is an aerodynamic, it's a legitimate aerodynamic.

• 16:06Speaker 01

  I know, and it's impressive, but the fact that it's convertible doesn't feel that notable.

• 16:10Doug DeMuro?

  Well, and, and, and, I mean, this isn't a record.

• 16:12Speaker 02

  I mean, it's, it's because they could. It's not like.

• 16:15Doug DeMuro?

  It's a, it's a good Christmas news story when there's no other news, but it's not a record that we would, like the fastest car is the record.

• 16:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yes. This is a footnote.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  I, what I also want to know now is what is the car that can have the top go up or down at the fastest speed? That's the record I'm actually interested in.

• 16:29Doug DeMuro?

  You know what the answer to that is? Is, is cars with tiny tops. Although I just did an, an N A Miata video.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Well, it's manual, it's start with, you could do it at any speed. Good call.

• 16:38Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, at the, I thought you meant the top goes down fastest.

• 16:40Speaker 01

  No, no, no, no. At what speed can you still have the top go up or down?

• 16:43Doug DeMuro?

  A lot of cars, first off, Fast and Furious, they did it on a Supra Sport roof at like 70.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  I might also be able to then put it back up.

• 16:51Doug DeMuro?

  Well, did you mean that?

• 16:52Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 16:52Doug DeMuro?

  Because Nick's Mercy, you could buy it on 150, you could do it. And I'll tell you something, and A, you could do it on its own.

• 16:58Speaker 02

  Based on the way that it reacts, 60 miles an hour, it'll do it on its own.

• 17:02Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, give us the other news story, which is even more interesting.

• 17:05Speaker 02

  So this one really fascinated me. So Lamborghini, it was seen at the Lamborghini factory recently. There were a number of cars going in and out. Presumably Lamborghini was using them to benchmark and sort of see how the manufacturers approached things. One was a Ferrari SF90, which

• 17:17Doug DeMuro?

  Makes sense.

• 17:18Speaker 02

  I'm sure they wanted to see what a market failure car would look like.

• 17:22Speaker 02

  The other was a McLaren Artura. Again, I repeat myself. The third car that was interesting was the Hyundai Ioniq 5N. And I suspect, as you probably do, the reason they did that, I think, was because of the transmission simulation that it does, where you can shift gears.

• 17:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  But it's all electric. And Lamborghini, as I talked about in the last podcast, has pushed back when they're going to do an all-electric car. And I wonder if they're not as intrigued as we are about the Hyundai and thinking that this might be the approach to make something fun and have some spirit, even though it's electric.

• 17:54Doug DeMuro?

  It's tremendously interesting. And the fact that they got that car there, you've got to assume. They don't need to benchmark Hyundai for any other reason.

• 17:59Speaker 02

  Any other reason.

• 18:00Doug DeMuro?

  But that car has one very special component to it. And I felt that the component was so special that I made an entire second video just about that.

• 18:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:08Doug DeMuro?

  And it was kind of a BS video, but like, I really wanted to make the point to my audience, but also to those who watch us in the automotive manufacturing community, that I think that this electric car shifting is the future for performance electric cars.

• 18:22Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 18:23Doug DeMuro?

  And I am tired of getting into electric cars where you just put your foot down and it goes. Anybody can do it, anybody does do it. You can buy one of those cars now for $22,000 on our site.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  Right.

• 18:32Doug DeMuro?

  This car made it fun in a way that I'm glad someone is paying attention to.

• 18:37Speaker 02

  I totally agree. I got to drive that car and it blew me away. I was, I felt surprisingly optimistic about the future of what electric cars could be.

• 18:45Doug DeMuro?

  It's not a three-pedal manual, but it's also not a

• 18:48Speaker 02

  Which would be cool.

• 18:48Doug DeMuro?

  floor it and, you know, like, it's better than that. It gave, it's interesting.

• 18:53Speaker 02

  It was. And, but, and for a sports car mostly, with the exception of the Urus. Producer, like a company, to start focusing on that, I think, is really telling.

• 19:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 19:04Speaker 02

  And I'm hopeful that is what comes of it.

• 19:06Doug DeMuro?

  Especially because Porsche said, although I think it was a Porsche racing driver who said that they would never do shifting.

• 19:11Speaker 02

  Ferrari would never build an SUV. I mean, here we are.

• 19:13Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I'll tell you, though, Porsche, if Porsche's driver probably doesn't speak for the company, but this is Porsche. I mean, the Urus uses the powertrain. They all share this. So like, it's all being developed at the same time. If Lamborghini is looking at this stuff, then you have to assume it will find its way into Bentley Porsche Audi RS.

• 19:30Speaker 02

  Such a great point.

• 19:31Doug DeMuro?

  Which is interesting, because if it does, then suddenly, like, things have been livened up a little bit. The Taycan should have this. The Taycan should have this. There should not be an electric Boxer that is released without this feature.

• 19:41Speaker 01

  I think there shouldn't be an electric Boxer released at all.

• 19:44Speaker 02

  And I think the market will agree with you. Porsche already kind of feels that way.

• 19:49Speaker 01

  I'm supportive of it.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  But nonetheless, hats off, if this is how it goes, hats off to Hyundai and Ioniq 5N for getting there first.

• 19:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. We will always talk about this as a thing if this is what happens.

• 20:00Speaker 02

  If this is, it's, again, maybe we stand.

• 20:03Doug DeMuro?

  It changed how I feel about performance electric cars. First it was, wow, these are fast and that's pretty cool. And dynamically, some of them are great. The Taycan dynamically is as better than Panamera, probably. But like, this made it fun in a totally new way.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Can I ask a question? Have you ever seen an Ioniq 5N?

• 20:20Doug DeMuro?

  Never.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  On the road?

• 20:21Doug DeMuro?

  Have you?

• 20:22Speaker 02

  No. We live in the land of new electric cars, but if they weren't so expensive, I'd love to have one.

• 20:27Doug DeMuro?

  That's part of the problem. I mean, I think ultimately, a performance electric car is a weird segment. Type of people who want performance cars, type of people who want electric cars, very different people.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Yep. But Lamborghini would be the people that straddle them.

• 20:36Doug DeMuro?

  All right. Next segment, we're going to move on to talking about cars, which we've already been doing, but now we're going to especially talk about them.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  In a new segment.

• 20:42Doug DeMuro?

  Not news related. Now, I have on our little pod doc here, in my talk cars segment, I have feelings about the new Camry. Yeah. Filippo's very curious.

• 20:50Speaker 01

  I'm incredibly curious.

• 20:51Speaker 02

  I'm gonna take a nap now.

• 20:52Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo's very curious. Okay, here's my feelings about the new Camry. The new Camry came out for the 25 model year.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Hybrid only. You were the first people in the country to drive one.

• 21:00Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. I was, when I reviewed the car, I reviewed it as a video journalist, and so they usually give you those at the start or at the end of the launch. And just by chance, they gave it to me at the start, so before anybody else. And as I turned in the car, they said to me, you know, you're the first person outside Toyota in the world to have driven the new Camry. And now I have this feeling of ownership of it.

• 21:21Speaker 01

  Sure, of course.

• 21:21Doug DeMuro?

  One on the street.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Right.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  Ridiculous.

• 21:25Doug DeMuro?

  So I'm driving around and I see a new Camry.

• 21:27Speaker 01

  There's a lot.

• 21:27Doug DeMuro?

  And I'm like.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  All Ubers.

• 21:28Doug DeMuro?

  I'm like, that's my, that, I drove that first. I like, I'm thinking that as I'm driving around. The other day I saw one getting like an incident, like someone cut one off in an old Camry, actually. The new Camry got cut off and I was thinking, don't you, don't you cut off my car?

• 21:47Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know. I don't know. But every time I see a new Camry now, this is my feeling. It's like, I was there.

• 21:54Speaker 02

  Man, they really got to.

• 21:55Doug DeMuro?

  I was there.

• 21:58Doug DeMuro?

  It's like Babe Ruth's called shot. If you were there. I, that's how I feel about the new Camry. And so every time I see one on the street, I'm thinking to myself, me, do you know, you don't know this, but you're, you're next to the guy who drove it first.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  You don't know this, but if you feel the line where the paint changes color, you can actually feel a little different.

• 22:18Doug DeMuro?

  Right? You could have found that out even if I hadn't driven it first, though. But I have driven it.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:24Speaker 02

  You know, you've driven a lot of cars that I am envious that you've driven. The Camry is not one of those cars.

• 22:31Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I'll tell you this, Kenan, you say that if you want to, but when I see a Chiron, I don't feel ownership over the Chiron.

• 22:36Speaker 01

  For good reason.

• 22:36Doug DeMuro?

  I got 12 million views. Chiron, I got the biggest Chiron video.

• 22:39Speaker 01

  They maybe bought it because of you.

• 22:40Doug DeMuro?

  That's fine. That's great. People come to me and say that all the time. I bought my XYZ because of you. But the Camry, the Camry, I was number one. Okay? And that's my feeling about the new Camry. I have like some personal.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  I don't know. I'm really proud of you for being the first person outside of Toyota, once they had finished development and were ready to release the car. To have happened by happenstance driven that, except of course, for every port worker.

• 23:04Doug DeMuro?

  Truck driver.

• 23:06Speaker 01

  And factory worker. Probably the valet at the hotel where the launch was happening.

• 23:10Speaker 02

  Someone probably got gas in it. I mean, he's probably the 27th person.

• 23:13Speaker 01

  And spouses of all of the Toyota employees who took it home in Georgetown, Kentucky.

• 23:17Doug DeMuro?

  The point is, I feel ownership over the car. Okay, give us your, uh, Filippo, actually, I'm glad that we're next, we can move on from this unusual topic. To discuss.

• 23:28Doug DeMuro?

  When you see a new Camry, you're gonna think it now. When the world sees a new Camry.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  I saw a lot of Camrys in the last two weeks. I did.

• 23:34Doug DeMuro?

  If I die tomorrow, remember me. The Camry. Um, okay, Filippo. Yeah. Tell us about your holiday.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, we, I drove over 2,000 miles, 2,200 miles.

• 23:43Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, how was the family?

• 23:45Speaker 01

  They were great. We, I saw my in-laws, saw a lot of, a lot of different in-laws.

• 23:48Doug DeMuro?

  Did you, what was the Christmas dinner over at your place? There.

• 23:52Speaker 01

  That was a week and a half ago. Let me think about that.

• 23:54Doug DeMuro?

  You've forgotten?

• 23:54Speaker 01

  I have, I made it.

• 23:58Doug DeMuro?

  What'd you make? Was it a roast?

• 23:59Speaker 01

  I made a bunch of-

• 24:00Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, give him a break. He was tired after driving 2,200 miles.

• 24:02Speaker 01

  I made a risotto.

• 24:04Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, God.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  And I made-

• 24:05Doug DeMuro?

  Not risotto.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Risotto. It was very cheesy on purpose. It was delightful.

• 24:10Doug DeMuro?

  Very cheesy on purpose.

• 24:11Speaker 01

  I also had to make some, some dairy free one. That was harder, but we made it happen.

• 24:15Doug DeMuro?

  We, we, for Christmas, my family is also Italian, although not Italian enough for Filippo. My grandparents all came from Italy. It's not enough for him. But it doesn't count. You know, I, I qualify for Italian citizenship. But we had spaghetti, or as Filippo would call it, blah, blah, blah. Okay, anyway, 2,000 miles in your station wagon.

• 24:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, and it was wonderful.

• 24:31Doug DeMuro?

  Wonderful.

• 24:31Speaker 01

  Every time I take a long drive.

• 24:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 24:33Speaker 01

  It just, it's so competent.

• 24:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yes.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  We was, my, my wife and I had our dog for about 700 miles of it. My mother-in-law was in the car.

• 24:40Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 24:40Speaker 01

  We did other trips with a bunch of people.

• 24:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. I agree.

• 24:43Speaker 01

  And it's so good.

• 24:43Doug DeMuro?

  Listen.

• 24:44Speaker 01

  26 and a half miles per gallon over that, which includes a lot of trips to mile high and above elevation.

• 24:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 24:51Speaker 01

  It's just so good.

• 24:51Doug DeMuro?

  It's so good. I drove mine across country, not last summer, summer before, 23, and I lament daily the fact that my cross-country drives will not be in that car anymore.

• 25:00Speaker 01

  It's just so competent.

• 25:00Doug DeMuro?

  So good.

• 25:02Speaker 01

  And our car has 115,000 miles. I've driven it 50,000 miles since I bought it on Cars and Bids three years ago. And it just like, I, I, I was thinking, cause I had 11 hours in the car yesterday to do some thinking. What would I get? And like, what else is that?

• 25:16Doug DeMuro?

  A newer one. I'm gonna sell you mine at the end of it.

• 25:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably. What, what else is that good? Like, is the X5 that good?

• 25:20Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Is it high and that comfortable?

• 25:22Doug DeMuro?

  E-Class station wagon does an E-Class station wagon thing.

• 25:25Speaker 01

  Everything fits.

• 25:25Speaker 02

  Almost letting him talk about not getting a car again. It's right on the edge.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  I'm keeping that wagon forever, cause it's worth nothing.

• 25:32Doug DeMuro?

  Truly, I'm in it. It's especially worth nothing because unbeknownst to our viewers, it got hit again.

• 25:36Speaker 01

  Not, it, it was parked in front of our house and somebody hit it.

• 25:39Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo bought this car the other month, okay? He's still got a main inspection sticker on the windshield, which is- In San Diego is wild.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Left it there.

• 25:47Doug DeMuro?

  It's the only one in existence. Yeah, pull it up. Yeah, there it is.

• 25:49Speaker 01

  It's a gray car.

• 25:50Doug DeMuro?

  It's brown. It's quite an ugly color combination.

• 25:52Speaker 02

  Design your interior?

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Design your interior, design your exterior.

• 25:54Doug DeMuro?

  It got hit again, this time it's brown on brown.

• 25:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:58Speaker 01

  Um, the interior is brown and black.

• 26:00Speaker 02

  And black, yeah.

• 26:01Doug DeMuro?

  The third row seat was only, they only did it in black.

• 26:03Speaker 02

  Which is also true in Europe. Makes sense, yes, I mean.

• 26:05Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, because I got a white interior and my third was also black. Although, by the way, my white interior, my wife's only driving that car now, and my white interior ain't so white anymore. Let's just put it that way. Kids, there's not a lot of care being given.

• 26:15Speaker 02

  Noodle.

• 26:15Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. Noodle gets in it every day. Anyway, the point is, nothing's like an E-Class wagon.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  No, it's just so good.

• 26:20Doug DeMuro?

  Finest car. It does it all. And it's good to drive. This is the thing about wagons. You get the practicality of a crossover, but it's actually good to drive. I make fun of enthusiasts for driving the brown diesel manual wagon, you know, the whole thing. But like, there is a reason.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  Right.

• 26:35Doug DeMuro?

  They're pretty good.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Right. And it's like, there's not like a super high center of gravity, so if you're going up to the mountains, you can have, you're not gonna have fun, but like, it's competent.

• 26:44Doug DeMuro?

  Do you know how much roll my Sequoia feels like it has?

• 26:46Speaker 01

  I.

• 26:46Doug DeMuro?

  It's just like.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Ponderous.

• 26:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's ponderous. And the station wagon isn't, and it's so comfortable. Although, the next gen is so comfortable.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  I know, I have to say, yours is so much better.

• 26:55Doug DeMuro?

  Have you not driven mine?

• 26:56Speaker 01

  I have driven yours around town, like I brought it to the office from your house. If Mercedes wants to loan me an S214, I would, I would take that.

• 27:03Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta get one as a press.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  You do.

• 27:05Doug DeMuro?

  Uh.

• 27:05Speaker 01

  I already shot the Diddy the other day.

• 27:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Not with the wagon. But I will, I will also say, my car's over 10 years old now. It has Distronec, uses the entire, pretty much the entire time. And a 10-year-old Mercedes adaptive cruise is still good.

• 27:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Like surprisingly.

• 27:20Doug DeMuro?

  In your car, Distronec will go all the way to zero.

• 27:22Speaker 01

  It'll go all the way to zero.

• 27:22Doug DeMuro?

  But it won't start right.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  It will.

• 27:24Doug DeMuro?

  You have to pull the thing.

• 27:24Speaker 01

  It will start.

• 27:25Doug DeMuro?

  But only after a few seconds, you have to pull the thing.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  It will start.

• 27:27Doug DeMuro?

  Hmm.

• 27:28Speaker 01

  I, it, it leaves.

• 27:29Doug DeMuro?

  I'll workshop that.

• 27:29Speaker 01

  It leaves a lengthy gap. But it will start on its own, and it will steer on its own.

• 27:33Doug DeMuro?

  There is nothing better than a Mercedes E-Class station wagon.

• 27:36Speaker 02

  Except the BMW i5 wagon. Did you say you prefer, if like, they made a touring of that, that would be what you want?

• 27:41Doug DeMuro?

  Only because I want electric. And it doesn't seem like Mercedes is gonna do that.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  I mean, eventually.

• 27:46Doug DeMuro?

  Eventually, but BMW did it today, and I would get an i5 touring literally today. I would get out of E-Class wagons after I've had five E-classes, six E-classes, and get into an i5, but BMW's not bringing it to the US. But I have an electric car charger at my house now. I am ready to plug in. No one is making-

• 28:00Speaker 01

  BMW, bring it on.

• 28:01Doug DeMuro?

  No one is making a midsize luxury electric station wagon for me. What is going on?

• 28:06Speaker 01

  How rude of them.

• 28:06Doug DeMuro?

  Don't you understand you would sell 20 to 30 a year?

• 28:09Speaker 01

  Also, nobody's making a good midsize SUV, luxury SUV either, because I'm not calling the IX good and I'm not calling the EQ-

• 28:16Doug DeMuro?

  IX is good.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  The EQE SUV.

• 28:18Speaker 02

  What about Tesla? You forget about Tesla-

• 28:20Speaker 01

  Model Y is too small. Oh, Model X. Yeah.

• 28:23Doug DeMuro?

  What about, um, what about the Macan Electric? Oh, for Christ's sake.

• 28:28Speaker 01

  He's just really got a narrow down-

• 28:29Doug DeMuro?

  IX is a great car.

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 28:31Doug DeMuro?

  IX is a great car.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Are there any luxury three-row SUVs right now?

• 28:35Doug DeMuro?

  No. The QX80.

• 28:37Speaker 01

  Sorry, three-row electric SUVs.

• 28:39Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, sorry. We only do big, old motors.

• 28:41Speaker 01

  Is the Model X the one?

• 28:41Speaker 02

  Yes, sir.

• 28:42Doug DeMuro?

  Model X, Rivian. Don't forget Rivian.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  Is EQS SUV a-

• 28:46Doug DeMuro?

  Yes, there's a three-row in that, and let's also not forget the Kia EV9er.

• 28:50Speaker 01

  Not a luxury, but my, my definition. I will say, though, the Lucid Gravity will be out soon.

• 28:54Doug DeMuro?

  Lucid Gravity out soon. The Rivian is the one.

• 28:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:57Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, and the EV9. You don't think it's luxury? I sat in one, didn't drive it, they drove it in on a sheet. Remember that?

• 29:03Speaker 01

  I do.

• 29:03Doug DeMuro?

  I sat in one. Seems luxury to me. Seems luxury to me. Just saying.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  Quite a-

• 29:08Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, Kenan, give us your, uh, talk cars segment.

• 29:11Speaker 02

  Yes, so, uh, one of the things, you know, it's, it's the new year and everybody has resolutions they've made, and I wanted to make some automotive resolutions for myself to follow.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  I would love to hear what they are.

• 29:20Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 29:21Speaker 02

  There are two.

• 29:22Doug DeMuro?

  Two.

• 29:22Speaker 01

  Oh, goodness.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  Number one.

• 29:23Doug DeMuro?

  One.

• 29:24Speaker 02

  Biocayan turbo. That's the, that is one I'm gonna do this year.

• 29:28Doug DeMuro?

  I want a D10.

• 29:28Speaker 01

  We, we, we have a giveaway. There's an update on that we haven't announced yet, but you could potentially maybe buy a kind turbo.

• 29:34Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that one-

• 29:35Speaker 01

  One that's here in the office.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Needs some stuff.

• 29:38Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but that one, that one is a Doug Demuro contest-winning automobile. I'll sign it.

• 29:42Speaker 02

  I don't, please don't sign that car. Leave the leather alone.

• 29:46Doug DeMuro?

  The leather. I'm gonna sign the hood, and then we'll PPF over it.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  You might, you might, you might walk on the hood for the next owner. But I, I would like that car, but it is a little bit high mileage for what I'm looking for. I want one that's, you know, kind of 70, 80,000 miles.

• 30:00Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, Biocayan Turbo. What's the other resolution?

• 30:02Speaker 02

  The other one is that outside of normal routine maintenance, oil change, you know, whatever, I don't want, I'm, my goal for the M5 is I'm not gonna spend more than $2,000 on it this year, like-

• 30:14Doug DeMuro?

  Including routine maintenance?

• 30:15Speaker 02

  No, like just in general, I wanted to keep it to a thousand, but I thought eh, something might crop up. But I want to keep it to, I'm not gonna spend more than two grand on the car like for, it does need like, the window tint needs to be replaced at some point, like it's starting to peel. That will cost some money, but like really outside of that, there's nothing that the car needs mechanically and I need to slow down the spending on it. So that's my goal for this year.

• 30:37Doug DeMuro?

  I'm proud of you for setting goals that's attainable resolutions and that like, I'm proud of you. I got a resolution to get to buy a Bugatti Bolide. I'm sorry. Bolide.

• 30:49Doug DeMuro?

  You said that's not attainable. Manny did it. Um, can we, can we do Viper instead of?

• 30:55Speaker 01

  No, Cayenne Turbo seems, seems, seems okay.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  No, I mean, the Viper would be nice to have. But I am, I think that the Cayenne Turbo gives me more, more like mental freedom than I need.

• 31:06Doug DeMuro?

  Let me ask you this. $2,000 resolution on the M5 spend. What about on the Cayenne Turbo spend?

• 31:13Speaker 02

  Right.

• 31:14Doug DeMuro?

  You're, well, here's what's gonna happen. Buy a Cayenne Turbo next week and put 30 grand, it'll be like, I didn't spend two, I didn't spend more than two on the M5.

• 31:19Speaker 02

  I mean, that would be true. Um, but no, the, the whole point of the Cayenne Turbo is that it needs a lot less. It, it's not as maintenance intensive as the M5.

• 31:26Doug DeMuro?

  We hope, we hope. If you want something not maintenance intensive, why not buy a fifth gen 4Runner?

• 31:31Speaker 02

  Because that is a garbage vehicle to drive around in.

• 31:34Doug DeMuro?

  Or like, why not lease a new car?

• 31:35Speaker 02

  It's just, it's a truck and I don't want something ponderous. Then the Cayenne Turbo is not ponderous.

• 31:41Doug DeMuro?

  Have you considered an S212 wagon? It's been hit a couple of times, but I'll sell it to you for a good deal. What about E-Class station wagon? Dude, fill it out.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  No, because the, the ground clearance gave me so, driving around in the car.

• 31:51Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta, mine is an all terrain dude, I can lift it, it's liftable.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  You can go on all terrain.

• 31:55Speaker 02

  Yes, but yours is still, is still very much on the depreciation curve. Like it's still, I don't like losing money to depreciation. I'd rather spend money on maintenance. I'd rather spend money on maintenance than I would depreciation.

• 32:06Doug DeMuro?

  No, I agree with you. It improves the car. I actually, one time I saw a comment about that. It's like, Kenan laughs at people who do depreciation, but, but he was willing to put 20 grand a year in his car. It's like, yeah.

• 32:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, my car gets better and better.

• 32:19Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Your car is getting better. Depreciating cars are, by definition, nah.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  Getting worse. And it doesn't, and that doesn't, you don't feel that pain until you go to sell it. Then it's like, damn, I lost all of this money. It just evaporated.

• 32:31Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you a question, Ken? So we are in this underground office here and it takes, we've timed it about a minute and a half. If every time you want to leave.

• 32:39Speaker 02

  Yes, counting like driving to the elevator, using the elevator and driving up.

• 32:42Doug DeMuro?

  A minute and a half.

• 32:43Speaker 01

  Kuntaj takes like four, but Kuntaj is its own problem.

• 32:47Doug DeMuro?

  Will you be willing to park a Cayenne Turbo you buy outside?

• 32:51Speaker 02

  Yes. The whole point of the Cayenne Turbo is it's a stress-free vehicle. I'm not gonna care.

• 32:55Doug DeMuro?

  You're not gonna clean it?

• 32:56Speaker 02

  I mean, I'll clean it occasionally, but I probably won't hand wash it often. Like, I'll probably take it through a.

• 33:00Doug DeMuro?

  Gas station?

• 33:01Speaker 02

  Touchless, whatever.

• 33:02Doug DeMuro?

  There's a one at the bottom, yeah, bottom hill.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Is that the show?

• 33:07Speaker 02

  Perfect.

• 33:07Doug DeMuro?

  Can we hold you to both of these things?

• 33:09Speaker 02

  Yes. I mean, the whole point of this car is like, nice, we'll make sure it's nice. I'm not gonna like just completely trash it. But the point is that I want something that's just, it takes away the, I don't have to spend mental energy on it. The M5 has taken enough of that out of me. And honestly, like, the other big concern, one of the things I've added to our document to talk about is I'm really concerned about E39 parts availability. Like, Hella just announced they're not gonna produce headlights for the car anymore, which is something that fails on a lot of those. Really? And I, yeah, I've replaced mine, but they've.

• 33:37Doug DeMuro?

  What do you mean they announced? Does Hella put out a press?

• 33:39Speaker 02

  They, they, Ryan and I were talking about this.

• 33:42Doug DeMuro?

  Are you gonna buy extras?

• 33:45Speaker 02

  I should have. Ryan bought two sets of extras for his car, but I.

• 33:49Doug DeMuro?

  Why not buy extras as long as they come under the $2,000 cap?

• 33:52Speaker 02

  We can squeeze it in.

• 33:54Doug DeMuro?

  Or squeeze it into 24. I'll, I'll give you a buy on the headlights if you want to just like a mulligan. Well, how much do the headlights cost?

• 34:02Speaker 02

  They're not as expensive as they, I think it's like 800 for the pair. Which is incredible because now modern cars, like one of your headlights is probably 1,800.

• 34:09Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna find out here in a couple of weeks.

• 34:11Speaker 01

  Luckily, my taillight was broken. That's only 500.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  Less complicated.

• 34:13Doug DeMuro?

  It's less complicated, but it's still LED.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  25. No, no, it's only 500.

• 34:18Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 34:18Speaker 01

  Instead of 1,800 or 2,000, the front was.

• 34:20Doug DeMuro?

  Didn't your panel get impacted, though?

• 34:22Speaker 01

  I have some.

• 34:23Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna PDR it?

• 34:24Speaker 01

  No, no, no. I, I'm getting a quote tomorrow from a shop. We've been gone for a week and a half and it's been drivable. I'm concerned, but what we'll discover the cost to repair this will be. Also, because in.

• 34:36Doug DeMuro?

  You're saying you think it's totaled. How many miles does it have?

• 34:39Speaker 01

  115,000. Uh, one, one on five.

• 34:41Doug DeMuro?

  What did he pay?

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Twenty seven.

• 34:42Speaker 02

  Twenty seven.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  One fifty.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  I'm not that, so the, on next week's podcast, I'll talk more about it once I have a quote. But the side corner was hit, the taillight, and then the bumper and the quarter panel. So it depends on how badly the panel above it was, was injured, because.

• 34:59Doug DeMuro?

  Well, injured. Could you PDR that?

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Pro, I think so. I'm like 98% sure that it will be easily fixable. There's 2% chance that.

• 35:07Doug DeMuro?

  Can I ask you an honest question? Why don't you just buy a taillight, get PDR the panel, buy a taillight, stick it in?

• 35:12Speaker 01

  Well, it all depends on what the shop says tomorrow.

• 35:15Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I know insurance is paying for it, but me and Ken could knock this out in a long weekend with a couple of cold ones.

• 35:19Speaker 02

  Hey.

• 35:19Speaker 01

  I, I will say.

• 35:20Doug DeMuro?

  I haven't said it in a while. I haven't said it in a while.

• 35:22Speaker 01

  And hitting it, they also destroyed the blind spot sensor that's inside the bumper. And that, having had to replace one because it wore, uh, that alone is about a grand.

• 35:34Doug DeMuro?

  This is the problem. As much as I like your car, the benefit of the newer car is, I mean, you replace that because of war, you done brake lines. How much was that?

• 35:42Speaker 02

  Well, that was.

• 35:43Doug DeMuro?

  Stuff's starting to get, starting to fail. I mean, the car's got 120,000 miles. It lived in Maine.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  You know, and.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Everything is fine now. I've never had to do a single mechanical thing. I would lay like engine mechanical thing.

• 35:54Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I love, well, that, that motor was stout. I do love that he took the picture here to emphasize the salt water. Hey, just so you know.

• 36:00Speaker 02

  Just as a reminder.

• 36:03Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you know.

• 36:03Speaker 02

  You like salt there, you like rust.

• 36:05Speaker 01

  More of a clue than I gave.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  And memory serves when you had the brake line stuff, the rust was.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Rust is an issue with these, which was not, when I bought the car, which was three and a half years ago, there wasn't that much talk about it in the forums. I did a bunch of research, but there was new enough that not that many had rust, did, had rust issues. Well, now they do.

• 36:23Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah, I mean.

• 36:24Speaker 01

  What you gonna do?

• 36:25Doug DeMuro?

  It's how cars age.

• 36:26Speaker 02

  It won't have any more, considerably more rust.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Everything is, is fine now.

• 36:29Speaker 02

  In the bodies don't seem to rust as much.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  No, it's, it's just the brake lines.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Which, which by the way, E53X5, same issue.

• 36:38Doug DeMuro?

  Cause he had one of those.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, I also had to replace the brake landing.

• 36:42Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next segment of our podcast is the market. We're going to talk about the car market. There's a market report. We call it the market report. The market report is brought to you by the Cars and Bids app. You can download the app on something.

• 36:53Speaker 01

  On the iOS App Store.

• 36:54Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, right. The iOS App Store. Uh, there's a lot of interesting market things to discuss that we've all written in here. Uh, I want two cars that are dropping like flies.

• 37:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:02Doug DeMuro?

  Like flies, Kenan.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  Flies when they're going to drop. Sometimes they go up.

• 37:07Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Well, these are the dropping ones. One of them is NAS Defenders. Pull up the NAS Defender that we've just not sold.

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Are weak.

• 37:14Doug DeMuro?

  We just end no sale this one at 35. This is actually a special one. In, in, in, in 94, you want to do a little deep dive on these?

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 37:20Doug DeMuro?

  In 94, all, 93, all the NAS Defenders were 4 door 110s. Those have already fallen. In 94, they came back only with a 2 door 90. They were all convertibles. In 95, they only made 500 hard tops.

• 37:31Speaker 01

  Really?

• 37:32Doug DeMuro?

  So this is one of 500. It's a rare car. Um, and I think they're all white. And, uh, they were the only way you could get a hard top manual. Because in 97, they came back with the hard top. They were all tipped.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  There was no 96.

• 37:43Doug DeMuro?

  There's no 96. If you want.

• 37:44Speaker 01

  Because the man was so high.

• 37:45Doug DeMuro?

  This is, no, cause, cause they were still trying to get rid of these trash things. If you want the enthusiast's choice, it's the coupe manual Defender. Okay? This is that. And by the way, they're individually numbered out of 500 because it was only a 500 production.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  What number is this?

• 38:02Doug DeMuro?

  We no sailed this. I'm sure the plaque is in there somewhere.

• 38:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 38:05Doug DeMuro?

  You gotta look on the exterior. The plaque, the plaque on a Land Rover is on the outside.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  I know, but I don't know where we've put it.

• 38:11Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, anyway, the point is we no sailed this. I saw the, uh, oh, wow.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  34750.

• 38:16Doug DeMuro?

  34750. And I was, that was surprised to me. Um, it, it, just looking at those pictures, it definitely did here. There's the plaque. It's number 355. Ken, I should have bought it. Uh, just look at those pictures. It does have some corrosion, but these were easily 60, 70, 80,000 dollar cars that the manual coupes were, were special. Um, and they're not anymore. And, uh, I, that's the trend I've noticed all over. It's not just on.

• 38:38Speaker 01

  No, no, it's all Defenders, all NAS Defenders.

• 38:40Doug DeMuro?

  What happened was the NAS were special because when they came out, they were the only ones you could get in the US. It was the only way you could get a Defender when the Defender first came out.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 38:48Doug DeMuro?

  Land Rover import them and there was a 25 year rule, so you had to wait 25 years to import other ones. And 25 years has come. And so now you can import 2,000 model year defenders straight from Europe, no problem. And it has dramatically hurt the value of these cars. Now, the only way you can register one in California and a couple of other states is if you get an NAS truck. But people don't seem to care. We all do the Montana, the Arizona, the other, whatever, South Dakota. And also, the imported trucks, people are now going to great lengths to make them cool. And so people are putting in LSV8s, automatic transmissions, cool wheels, cool interiors, you know, heated and cooled seats, all this other stuff that really sets them apart from the NAS defenders, which people have really tried to keep mostly stock because they were special. They only made 7,000 defenders for the US market total.

• 39:31Doug DeMuro?

  And things have changed and this market is really, really, really starting to slow down. There's still demand for the 97s because that is basically the only way you can get a factory defender with an automatic transmission. They didn't really sell automatics overseas. But there's not, but demand is slowing and NAS defender market is coming down.

• 39:47Speaker 01

  It's so different than it once was.

• 39:48Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 39:49Speaker 01

  When we started the site, we always hoped to have NAS defenders because they're desirable ones. And the imports had just started to trickle in and they had a massive value difference between them.

• 40:00Doug DeMuro?

  These tapped 100, it tapped 100 grand pretty regularly for nice NAS defenders, even manual transmission ones, which are always worth less. And that has definitely fallen. And now you can get a nice one 50, 60. And you can get a ratty one 30s, which is kind of where they were 20 years ago. Really not, I mean, I sold mine for 96,000. Mine was in great shape. I had done a lot of good stuff to it. This is also the most desirable version. A 97 convertible is the most desirable one.

• 40:24Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 40:24Doug DeMuro?

  And it was titled in California. But the point is being made. These are starting to come down.

• 40:29Speaker 01

  They've come down massively last year.

• 40:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 40:31Speaker 01

  Imports matter.

• 40:32Doug DeMuro?

  Imports matter.

• 40:33Speaker 01

  People also kind of recognize that they're not.

• 40:35Doug DeMuro?

  They're not, they're not better. And the imports, people are just, there's all these shops that are putting good motors in. And so we always used to be able to say, well, we have a 50 state legal motor and it's a V8. Whereas the Euro ones were four cylinder diesels. Well, now V8s grow on trees on defenders. Anybody can get an LS swap defender. And this old three and a half liter Buick V8, which Rover reappropriated and made 180 horsepower, is nothing to write home about. I'm glad. That I got out of mine, honestly, I don't regret it.

• 41:00Speaker 01

  Can you search for Defenders generally? Cause we have also, like, to that note, we've done really well with those.

• 41:05Doug DeMuro?

  The Euro ones, we sold it, we had a crazy number on a pickup.

• 41:08Speaker 01

  And 132 on the SUV right before it, on the 130.

• 41:12Doug DeMuro?

  That's right, this one, this one brought 132 and it was a 6.2 liter.

• 41:15Speaker 01

  There are specific shops.

• 41:16Doug DeMuro?

  122 to this one, then we sold it after.

• 41:18Speaker 01

  East Coast Defender is doing a bunch of them, but there's a lot of other shops, they're doing great, like, full

• 41:22Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Restorations and.

• 41:24Doug DeMuro?

  And honestly, the people who buy these, which, which truthfully is the Nantucket, the Hamptons, the, the, you know, that whole set, they'd rather have these, they've got more creature comforts, this is who, this is what these people actually want their Land Rover to be, which is like, big wheels and leather and all that. I always liked being an NAS Defender guy, because it was kind of a purist car, it was like, more of like an enthusiast car, whereas these are more of kind of poser, you know, I want to be rich and cool trucks, but that's what the market has selected. The market would prefer these trucks, and it makes sense.

• 41:51Speaker 01

  The universe of off-roaders that are importable has increased a lot. So the Defender certainly, but a lot of Land Cruisers.

• 41:57Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 41:57Speaker 01

  Uh, that are nicer ones that we didn't get here.

• 42:00Doug DeMuro?

  Honda Crossroads, Honda Crossroads.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Of course, important.

• 42:05Doug DeMuro?

  Do you remember it?

• 42:06Speaker 01

  I do.

• 42:06Doug DeMuro?

  What was it?

• 42:07Speaker 01

  The Trooper.

• 42:07Doug DeMuro?

  No, Honda Crossroad was the Land Rover Discovery.

• 42:10Speaker 01

  That's right. Nobody's imported one, ever. None, not exists, as far as I can tell.

• 42:16Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you, that's another good point. You can, you can, and by the way, a lot of those are now being swapped into leather interiors and, so old, old FJ Land Cruisers and things like that.

• 42:24Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:25Doug DeMuro?

  The, the market of those old trucks has changed and people don't necessarily want these original NAS Defenders when they can get cool stuff with V8s.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Right.

• 42:33Doug DeMuro?

  Whether it's Defender or Land Cruiser or whatever.

• 42:34Speaker 01

  That has a similar, like, old school SUV look.

• 42:37Doug DeMuro?

  Right, they get the vibe, but they don't have to deal with the stuff. And there was a lot of stuff.

• 42:40Speaker 02

  I don't know, I mean, and I think that, I do think that in the long run, I suspect the really nicely preserved NAS Defenders will always command, 97s in particular, always command a premium.

• 42:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 42:50Speaker 02

  But it is kind of, if you love the Defender, it is kind of nice to know that they've come down with it and you can get back to one.

• 42:56Speaker 01

  And a 50 state one, just like dry wood in first, maybe.

• 42:58Doug DeMuro?

  The other car that has dropped a lot, you both wrote this down, and I totally agree, pull it up. The Tesla Roadster, Tesla Roadster, we R and M'd a Tesla Roadster the other day, R and M'd reserved not meted one at 52, go back.

• 43:10Speaker 01

  Which is a one owner 12 thousand model.

• 43:12Doug DeMuro?

  We had another one R and M'd at 55. I reviewed that one down there, orange, in 21 and made a big point. It set a record at the time and I made a big point about how I can't understand why these cars sell for 50 grand because they're so special in the history of Tesla. Like they're the beginning of this company that has become globally massive. And so the first one's big, that one set a record. They all started coming up. They started getting big money. Things have changed.

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Quickly.

• 43:37Doug DeMuro?

  Quickly.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  And by the way, it's not just on our site. On, on, I've, after looking, I've seen their result. I looked around a little bit. There are a bunch of where the identical cars sold for somewhere in the eighties a year and a half ago and now is in the fifties.

• 43:49Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta say.

• 43:50Speaker 01

  The big drops.

• 43:51Doug DeMuro?

  You drove this one?

• 43:52Speaker 02

  I drove, yeah, it was, this was the.

• 43:53Doug DeMuro?

  The development mule?

• 43:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:55Doug DeMuro?

  I gotta say though, truthfully, I still think they deserve to be valuable.

• 43:58Speaker 01

  I agree with you.

• 43:59Doug DeMuro?

  I don't think they deserve to have come down. I think that this car is still special. Tesla is a massive global brand and this was the beginning and it's cool and.

• 44:08Speaker 02

  I think it's a, I think it's a time thing. I mean, I think you can, I think if you bought one and held on to it for a really long time, you're probably right. But in the meantime, I, I, I, I don't know. It's, it's hard, it's hard to say. Why do you think that they've come down all of a sudden?

• 44:21Doug DeMuro?

  I mean, I think interest in EVs in general has dropped and I think that the, the really hot sales, if you look, were in 21 when the market was crazy. And in 21, the people who were spending crazy money on EVs were a lot of like crypto-y, like people who now maybe are not in the position to spend that kind of money on EVs and may have bought that as a speculative purchase or as like a trophy. And there are not as many EV trophy collectors in 2024. But I still think it's, I just really believe that's cars is destined for greatness.

• 44:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. I loved the, it was fun the way it drove. I thought it was cool.

• 44:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  It was, it's such a weird experience, but it, you know, you're right. I, as from a historical perspective, I think it will be an important car to have in, in someone's collection.

• 45:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  But not mine. It's a value right now. Maybe now's the time to buy.

• 45:07Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe now is the time to buy. I'm surprised by it because this one with the battery update also did so well.

• 45:12Speaker 02

  You've got chargers now in your new garage.

• 45:14Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not getting a Tesla Roadster, but I, but people should. People who want to be in the EV world should do it. Okay, next up, we got a lot of time for questions, questions, questions, questions.com. Remember, you can ask us, is that a website? You can ask us-

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, probably. I think somebody else's domain, questions.com. Yeah. It seems likely.

• 45:33Doug DeMuro?

  What, domains are passe now with Google. You can ask us questions too. You go to the community tab, go to carsandbids.com, that's our website. You go to the community tab, and you, you, there will be a thing there that says, "This car pod, ask your questions," and we will answer the questions, no matter how stupid or-

• 45:50Speaker 01

  Wait, I'm so sorry, can I go back?

• 45:52Doug DeMuro?

  I know, what was that?

• 45:53Speaker 01

  How often do you see a COKGTR? Never. Literally never.

• 45:58Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 45:58Speaker 01

  Also, especially next to an Nissan Quest.

• 45:59Doug DeMuro?

  That's an old picture, though. That's an old picture. It's an old Florida plate that is going around.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  That is a Nissan Quest, though, right? We all agree.

• 46:04Speaker 02

  The rest of these cars aren't on the road anymore.

• 46:06Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  But wow.

• 46:07Doug DeMuro?

  Imagine you're sitting at a stop- It's not in Florida, though, right? Because doesn't Florida have those hurricane-safe stoplights, instead of putting them on a string? What a-

• 46:14Speaker 01

  Although, maybe at the time.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  This was somebody had to move it from collection to be picked up for something like that to go somewhere.

• 46:22Doug DeMuro?

  What a crazy image, my god. Okay, questions, questions, questions. Anyway, uh, first question comes to us from Siva1988. "Why did you delete the Rich Parents video?" This is a question for me. Short answer, I've got two answers to this. Short answer is, I don't do drama. At my life stage, my age, my situ- I just don't do drama. I don't want to participate in it. Anytime drama finds its way to me, I, I move the other direction. Long answer, because I've thought about this a lot, and it's an interesting thing. Okay, so, I did a video, for those who aren't, I did a video a couple of weeks ago about this common criticism people often say about car YouTubers, YouTubers in general. The only way you got successful is because you have rich parents, uh, which I think people, people who are jealous say that. In my case, it's not true. So I filmed the video, and I filmed the video weeks ago.

• 47:07Doug DeMuro?

  I film all my Sunday videos like at once, at the start of the month. And so I filmed it weeks ago, I didn't really think about it. In fact, I forgot that it was even going live, which is how my Sunday videos always are. And I got a note that it was controversial, so I checked it out. And there was a lot of drama in the comments. And a lot of it was misinformed drama. And, like, I saw the top comment with hundreds and hundreds of upvotes was, "If your parents weren't rich, then what about all of those summers that you spent on Antucket with them as a kid?" Um, I didn't. My parents have never been to Managua until this summer. I went there as an adult. But, but I think that kind of thing starts to take root in comment sections. There's, there's misinformation and people get crazy and then they start battling with each other, which becomes another thing.

• 47:50Doug DeMuro?

  And so I deleted it because at my life stage, I don't want drama. I just don't care to involve myself in drama. But I do want to make another point here, which is this. There are two types of people who watch my videos primarily. 97% of the people who watch my videos have been served it on the algorithm or have seeked it out specifically because they're in the market for a car. And they want to watch a car video about buttons. They want to see what the buttons do. They want to read the Miata owner's manual, which I just did and see what weird stuff is going on. And they, they, most of those people don't watch every video. You know, they, they come for the Valkyrie, they come for the car. They're interested in buying like a minivan and then they skip, you know, the NA Miata.

• 48:33Doug DeMuro?

  3%, the remaining 3% of the viewers are the people who are like these always online kind of perpetually offended people. And this is like your Reddit community, your Discord community, the people like to discuss it. And I find it ironic in these situations, um, because these are the people, they, they post the threads on Reddit and they're on Discord and they're like, we don't, we don't do YouTube drama. But like, they actually thrive on it. They like love, every time there's any YouTube drama, did you see that Rob Dom did this? You see Hoovy did this, et cetera, et cetera. And it's just not for me. I just don't like do the YouTube drama thing. So people come to me and they're like, hey, did you see this Reddit, did you see this thing on Discord? No, I didn't. I won't, I'm not going to Google it. I don't care. I don't make my videos for those people. And I think it's an important point to mention.

• 49:18Doug DeMuro?

  People think that a YouTuber's goal is to get as many views as possible. But actually my goal is and has always been to get as many views as possible from non annoying people. I would be happy to surrender those 3% of my audience, just give them up if it meant that I could. But I can't. You have to have those people, but I don't have to pay attention to them. That's very fair. So the 97% is who I make the videos for. And honestly, if at this, at this life stage, if something gets... Dramatic. I'm just out. And I don't care what people say about it. Because the thing is, the next video I posted was the Valkyrie, which was my biggest video of the year. People don't care. They just don't care. They just want to see car videos. And I just want to make car videos. And if anything happens, if there's weird stuff that goes down, I'm, I don't want to, I'm, I'm good.

• 50:03Doug DeMuro?

  I don't, we don't get in fights with other YouTubers. We've tried. Remember that time I tried to start something?

• 50:09Speaker 02

  I do.

• 50:09Doug DeMuro?

  Which time? I, I tried to start something with Freddie on the pod right here. I tried to.

• 50:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 50:14Doug DeMuro?

  But I got no problem with Freddie.

• 50:15Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, he never texted you back anyway, so.

• 50:17Doug DeMuro?

  Freddie, no, no, we, we were gonna, we were gonna say some stuff.

• 50:21Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 50:21Doug DeMuro?

  But we didn't, and we won't. Okay, next question from Yoshi 3000. Throughout the, that's the situation with that video. People have asked, a lot of people asked, it was the top uploaded question. There's the response. And by the way, if anything dramatic ever happens again, I won't participate in that either. I just don't care. Yoshi 3000, throughout the decades, uh, it's been, there have been infamous, uh, the various decades have been infamous for car combinations, like 60s, 70s, American muscle, 80s, European.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 50:47Doug DeMuro?

  Supercars, 90s, Japanese sports cars. What do you think defined the 2000s, the 2010s, and the future 2020? That is a very interesting question, because those decades were famous for those things. The 2000s, I think, gets defined by mid-engine. I'm pointing to the Courage GT, which isn't there. Mid-engine, like, and from an enthusiast's perspective, the, the last gasp of the mid-end, or not the mid-engine, the manual transmission.

• 51:10Speaker 02

  Analog. Kind of the, the peak of the.

• 51:13Doug DeMuro?

  The peak.

• 51:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:14Doug DeMuro?

  I consider it to be the peak.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Well, and all manufacturers are doing that.

• 51:17Doug DeMuro?

  All manufacturers. Like, if you look at every manufacturer, BMW had a V10 M5, Audi had an RS4 here with a V8 and a manual. Dodge came out with SRT then. They had the Charger, the Magnum, all that stuff came out at that era. Obviously, the Ford GT, the Audi R8 came out in that era. That's a great one.

• 51:31Speaker 02

  Courage GT.

• 51:32Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody did it.

• 51:33Speaker 02

  The Cayman, the 395, all kind of then.

• 51:36Doug DeMuro?

  M3 came out with a V8. Like, this was, this was, I think the 2000s will go down. I've always said this, but I think the 2000s will go down as the 60s of our generation.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  I totally agree. We've argued about exactly where you define it starting, because it isn't quite.

• 51:48Doug DeMuro?

  It doesn't quite line up with the decade. 2000 didn't have that much cool stuff.

• 51:52Speaker 02

  There's some cool stuff in 2000, but

• 51:54Doug DeMuro?

  But 10 didn't.

• 51:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, but yeah.

• 51:56Doug DeMuro?

  By 10, the autos and the hybrids were common.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  Well, so I think the great inflection point then is the dual clutch. Because I think it became, although it came out in the mid 2000s, really 2010, like, I think 458, like, that was kind of where it started to.

• 52:10Doug DeMuro?

  Which was a, which Porsche, Porsche essentially was the first to get it into real of drivable enthusiast cars in 09. The Veyron had it, but it was purpose built and insane. Porsche had it in 09 in the, in their lineup.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Volkswagen had it as well.

• 52:23Doug DeMuro?

  Volkswagen had it in the GTI and stuff, but like, it's true, in terms of enthusiast sports cars, Porsche had it in 09. BMW, when did they do DCT? It was right around there.

• 52:31Speaker 02

  The M3, the 9X M3.

• 52:33Doug DeMuro?

  But it wasn't initially, was it?

• 52:34Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 52:34Doug DeMuro?

  In 08 they had it. Okay, so 809, those were the cars that first had it. Uh, that killed it all. That was the end.

• 52:43Speaker 02

  That was the beginning of the.

• 52:44Doug DeMuro?

  The dual clutch, which I think is one of the great automotive innovations in terms of drivability and enjoyment, and, and, and it actually killed it all. Because once the dual clutch showed up, these automakers couldn't justify producing slower manuals. It was the last thing that held them back was the torque converter was slower. And so like a manual was still a faster option. And then the dual clutch showed up. And Porsche was like, why would we make manuals anymore? BMW was like, why Ferrari, Lamborghini, they were just done. They were out. They were like, this is faster. It's one thing to develop, we're done. And that was the end, the beginning of the end.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  That's a reasonable story for the 2010s.

• 53:19Doug DeMuro?

  So that's the 2010.

• 53:20Speaker 01

  I guess there's probably an argument to be made that.

• 53:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:23Speaker 01

  Kind of dark. Sporty SUVs, it's kind of a 2010's launchpad.

• 53:27Doug DeMuro?

  That's an interesting one.

• 53:28Speaker 02

  Well, actually, actually, expanding on that, I'd actually say the 2000s was the beginning of the SUV. That's where it started to shift.

• 53:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but like.

• 53:35Speaker 02

  Cayenne Turbo came out.

• 53:36Doug DeMuro?

  Cayenne Turbo came out in 03, SRT8 came out in 05, but you're right.

• 53:39Speaker 01

  X5, 418.

• 53:40Doug DeMuro?

  That like the big stuff all started coming in the 10s. By the end of the 10s, we had a Lamborghini Urus, we had a Bentley, we had a et cetera, et cetera.

• 53:46Speaker 02

  Maybe the 10s is the ascendancy.

• 53:49Doug DeMuro?

  Where everybody did it.

• 53:50Speaker 02

  Performance SUV, yeah, where everybody did it. And the 20s so far.

• 53:53Doug DeMuro?

  EVs, I mean, I guess.

• 53:54Speaker 01

  Performance EVs.

• 53:55Doug DeMuro?

  Has to be the thing, yeah. That's an interesting question. I really think the 2000s, I really think the 2000s go down as the.

• 54:02Speaker 02

  It was my favorite era, even though it's the one I grew up in, I didn't, I mean, I feel lucky to have grown up in. The 80s are cool too, obviously, but like.

• 54:08Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing good came out of the 80s.

• 54:10Speaker 02

  Right, he makes this, he makes this assertion that no good cars came out of the 1980s. And everybody's gonna say, well, what do you mean? He says there were two or three we determined.

• 54:18Doug DeMuro?

  I don't remember.

• 54:18Speaker 02

  It was the Countach?

• 54:19Doug DeMuro?

  No, no, the Countach was a 70s car. That's one of the buys.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  I feel it's a 70s.

• 54:22Doug DeMuro?

  If you, if, that's the thing about that, that, that argument that I make. All the good 80s cars either came out in like 89 or the 70s.

• 54:30Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, but the first generation Golf GTI.

• 54:34Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. Came out in the 80s. Didn't that come out in 70? Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Didn't that come out in 78 or something?

• 54:41Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 54:42Doug DeMuro?

  Golf GTI, Mark I Golf GTI made its debut in 1974, believe it or not. It's a 70s car.

• 54:49Speaker 02

  That's a deep 70s car.

• 54:50Doug DeMuro?

  It came out in 74?

• 54:51Speaker 02

  Really?

• 54:51Doug DeMuro?

  It debuted in 74, yeah. It wasn't for sale till the 80s.

• 54:54Speaker 02

  Well, the 911 Turbo, that came out in the 1970s.

• 54:58Doug DeMuro?

  The 80s were a disaster.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  The 80s were a disaster.

• 55:01Speaker 02

  Well, here, I would say that I, my, my.

• 55:04Doug DeMuro?

  40, okay, 88, 89, you have it. You take the late 80s.

• 55:07Speaker 02

  Well, it was made till 92, I guess, technically, so.

• 55:09Doug DeMuro?

  Well, no, but it was an 80s car, but that's part of my point. Like, the 80s were so bad that they, that they co-opted 70s cars. And it didn't get their stuff together until 88, when they finally started making the E30 M3s and things like that.

• 55:20Speaker 02

  Well, they finally figured out fuel injection and smog. Smog was the big killer they had to deal with, which that kind of factored into the early 1980s and really put people behind. That's why the Countach was the fastest car in the world.

• 55:31Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, well, it is why, yeah.

• 55:32Speaker 02

  They put some metal plates on the block to make the displacement bigger.

• 55:37Speaker 02

  BS company that they were at the time. Um, but I, I think it's a, I think if the majority of the car's life was in the 1980s, it's a 1980s car. The majority of the Countach production was in the 1980s. It's a 1980s car. They have 40.

• 55:51Doug DeMuro?

  That W126 Mercedes, okay?

• 55:54Speaker 01

  We have 500.

• 55:54Doug DeMuro?

  Came out in 1979 and was sold through 1990. That, that.

• 55:59Speaker 02

  That's an 80s car, I, I think. That fits most of them were built in the 80s.

• 56:03Doug DeMuro?

  Because the majority of its existence were the.

• 56:05Speaker 02

  It was in the 80s.

• 56:06Speaker 01

  It defined the 80s.

• 56:08Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 56:08Speaker 02

  E30.

• 56:08Doug DeMuro?

  I disagree, uh, I disagree only so that I can be smarmy and make this point.

• 56:12Speaker 01

  Right.

• 56:13Doug DeMuro?

  But I generally agree with your point, obviously, as any rational person would. There were, that was kind of what was the 80s.

• 56:18Speaker 02

  I forget what the question was now.

• 56:19Doug DeMuro?

  I do find it interesting that the 80s are ascribed to all these interesting cars that came out in the 70s. And when you say, okay, name a car that came out in the 80s that was great, the early to mid 80s that was great. There's no answer.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  And it was produced only in the 1980s.

• 56:30Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I'll take it if it goes through the 90s. Just something that started its life in the 80s. Oh, the C4 Corvette? Nope.

• 56:37Doug DeMuro?

  That ain't gonna be it. That car, the funny thing about the C4 Corvette, it actually became a pretty good car.

• 56:43Speaker 02

  In the 90s.

• 56:45Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next question, next question, next question.

• 56:46Speaker 01

  What about the first gen Taurus?

• 56:50Doug DeMuro?

  My case is rested, my point is proven. Okay, Hammond, you idiot, asked this great question also. This is another great question. I feel like the first year of this pod was like the typical questions like, what would you build for a zillion dollars? And now we're getting into like the real.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 57:03Doug DeMuro?

  Like, like when you're panning for gold and the sand goes through and you're left with gold ingots.

• 57:08Speaker 02

  That's where in the depth of it now.

• 57:10Doug DeMuro?

  So that's a very relatable reference, right?

• 57:11Speaker 02

  Incredibly.

• 57:12Doug DeMuro?

  Thanks. Hammond, you idiot, at what point does a limited production run lose its appeal to the car enthusiast? Either there are too many or too few. For example, a five unit production is so rare and already allocated to certain collectors, we may never see them on the road. Or a 5,000 unit run where maybe it's not seen as rare enough. You know, this is an interesting question because I've never thought about a production run being too small that I actually don't care about the car, but that's true. There are many cars like that.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 57:34Doug DeMuro?

  Like the Hennessy Venom we were just talking about. Like, I think a lot of those cars are total BS. When they make a 10 unit run, like the Revantone is cool, but they made it for rich dudes to like brag. It's not a special car. It's a rich dude brag car.

• 57:48Speaker 01

  Right. How many units? What's the cutoff?

• 57:50Doug DeMuro?

  I don't know, but enough that it's not a rich dude brag car.

• 57:55Speaker 01

  It's all with the rich dude brag car.

• 57:56Doug DeMuro?

  Well, no, in a thousand units, though, it becomes not a rich dude brag car because you don't have to be like a special rich dude to get one. You know what I'm saying?

• 58:03Speaker 01

  It's not an allocation game.

• 58:04Speaker 02

  It's still an allocation game, but it's not.

• 58:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's not one of those like, I have a great relationship with my dealer and you know, they put me on the list. I'm on the list.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  Great relationship with my dealer.

• 58:11Doug DeMuro?

  I bought, I bought four whatevers from them and I'm on the list now. I got on the list.

• 58:15Speaker 01

  So you're also then to that point, say that like a GT3 RS is too limited production. It's too lame.

• 58:20Doug DeMuro?

  Well, no, I mean.

• 58:22Speaker 01

  Getting an allocation for that is hard.

• 58:23Doug DeMuro?

  I would argue that the really special Porsches fall into the too few, like the discussion then is about allocation and wealth and who gets one. And that's not cool. And then for the really, the too much cars, the discussion is about, well, they're too common. You see them. There's, there's actually a nice middle ground.

• 58:40Speaker 02

  500 maybe is the number?

• 58:42Doug DeMuro?

  Maybe, but there's probably more than 500 911 STs and those are.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  That's, it depends on the manufacturer.

• 58:47Doug DeMuro?

  It depends probably. Some like McLaren that's made so many Yeah. Pretty BS special editions that they lose their meaning. You're right.

• 58:54Speaker 02

  There's some like Ferrari that just lie.

• 58:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, and then like Porsche doesn't do that. Doesn't play that game to the same extent. It has recently, but doesn't. That's an interesting question, too. Like, what production run is important to appeal to enthusiasts? And what lie, what fake production run is important to appeal to?

• 59:08Speaker 02

  That's probably more important. That's the Ferrari perspective.

• 59:11Doug DeMuro?

  We only built seven of these. There's eight of them sitting here.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  What number makes people feel special? And we'll build a couple extra for our clients.

• 59:17Doug DeMuro?

  It is an interesting point, though, because I think it's often discussed that a car with a production run too high. And a good example that's always given is the Ford GT, the 05 Ford GT that I have. They built 4,000 of them. The Z8 is another example that's given. Yep. They built too many of them so that it's never going to be a truly special car. Well, maybe true, but I think a really limited car like the Vector W8 has such, so obscure, or the Venom, they built 1020. It's almost like not something you're thinking about a lot. Yeah. And any car that's so rare that the allocation becomes the story is just rich guy BS. That's just noise. Like the new Countach. True for any car you've been at 1,000 units. Maybe. The Chiron I don't think is noise. The new Countach is noise.

• 59:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's a very interesting, I'm gonna have to think more about that.

• 1:00:02Doug DeMuro?

  Right. There's some interesting nuance there.

• 1:00:04Speaker 02

  It is.

• 1:00:05Doug DeMuro?

  Screw the low-volume car. So what's the number? I don't know. It depends on the car.

• 1:00:08Speaker 02

  Depends on the name.

• 1:00:08Doug DeMuro?

  But I think it's 1270. I will say, Carrera GT. Is that right? Carrera GT, F40, and Daytona were all produced in the same number, 12, 1300.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Yep, 1,311, I think, for the F40.

• 1:00:19Doug DeMuro?

  That's F40, Carrera GT's 1270. Daytona's like right there, too. It's like 1,400.

• 1:00:24Speaker 02

  Uh, huh. Interesting.

• 1:00:25Doug DeMuro?

  So it's a 1,000 to 1,500. Something to think about. LaFerrari probably was also produced in that number. Of course, they say only 800. Right. Anyway.

• 1:00:34Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, here's another great question that I've been thinking about since it was asked by BigUltimaHater6, a common question asker. If you were given unlimited funds and complete access to everything, what would be the best car-related YouTube video that you could create? I'm gonna alter it a little to YouTube channel.

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  So like a series of videos.

• 1:00:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:00:50Doug DeMuro?

  Um, but I think the answer is that Whistling Diesel already does it. So like pack up and go home. Do you agree?

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:00:56Speaker 02

  I.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  He doesn't think. I don't agree, but.

• 1:00:59Doug DeMuro?

  He drove a Tesla on giant upside down.

• 1:01:02Speaker 02

  Yeah. It was great.

• 1:01:04Speaker 01

  And I will say there's a Chinese channel that has started through this. There are a lot of cars.

• 1:01:07Doug DeMuro?

  People can blow stuff up in China?

• 1:01:09Speaker 01

  No, that's not what I get. There, there are a lot of cars that have never been crash tested. And I think they need to be. Don't you want to know how the Countach would be in a crash test?

• 1:01:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  We know.

• 1:01:20Doug DeMuro?

  But I, I want to see it in slow motion from many angles.

• 1:01:23Speaker 02

  The first Countach prototype was crash tested and is lost to the world.

• 1:01:27Doug DeMuro?

  Great. I'm sure Lamborghini has done it, but like.

• 1:01:29Speaker 02

  That's what the.

• 1:01:30Doug DeMuro?

  The original one that Gandini made at the, that made it.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  The orange one or whatever, or gold, whatever.

• 1:01:34Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it was yellow. They painted it green and they, they, you know.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:37Doug DeMuro?

  Crash tested in the UK in period, lost to the world, never, never to be seen again.

• 1:01:41Speaker 01

  Don't you want to see not, I mean, that 500cc is a great one, but like a W26 crash into something, another car.

• 1:01:47Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  I just want to see all of that.

• 1:01:48Speaker 02

  I agree with that. Crash tests.

• 1:01:49Speaker 01

  I do.

• 1:01:50Doug DeMuro?

  You got Bmen G though. You have Bmen G.

• 1:01:52Speaker 01

  No, but that's not actually realistic at the limit.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  Isn't that like what it's about?

• 1:01:56Speaker 01

  No, it's supposed to be.

• 1:01:57Doug DeMuro?

  You're going to sit here and say that B, you're going to sit here and tell me that Bmen G is not realistic?

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Doug DeMuro?

  All I do on Instagram.

• 1:02:02Speaker 01

  I'm really sorry, Doug.

• 1:02:03Doug DeMuro?

  Is watch those cars crash.

• 1:02:05Speaker 01

  It's not what would happen if you jumped the car off a bridge and then into a pole.

• 1:02:08Doug DeMuro?

  I.

• 1:02:08Speaker 01

  That's then gets hit by a semi truck. That's not exactly what would happen.

• 1:02:12Doug DeMuro?

  Not only do I disagree with that, but I think.

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  You're wrong.

• 1:02:14Doug DeMuro?

  Fine. Then I want to see those, those like hammers. Have you ever seen the hammers? Let's do it. Let's get a car out there.

• 1:02:20Speaker 02

  Channel.

• 1:02:21Doug DeMuro?

  The answer to this question is I'd get a hammers and I'd smash some car.

• 1:02:25Speaker 01

  And then you'd give a percent likelihood of survival.

• 1:02:27Doug DeMuro?

  It would definitely be destructive, the channel. It'd be destructive. And also it would be like epic road trips that are insane. Like we drive a Veyron through the Darien Gap. Like I don't give, I don't care what people would say.

• 1:02:38Speaker 02

  Yeah. Road tripping.

• 1:02:39Doug DeMuro?

  We would just do crazy road trips.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:43Doug DeMuro?

  Like, yeah, we'd all choose like insane hypercars and do dumb stuff.

• 1:02:47Speaker 02

  We'd actually take a Veyron coast to coast.

• 1:02:49Doug DeMuro?

  We'd have to Florida.

• 1:02:52Doug DeMuro?

  That's, that's what it would be. And it'd be the best, it'd be like Top Gear, but on steroids, which is hard to imagine. But if you had unlimited funds, you could do that. And if I was Bill Gates, that's what I would do. Or Elon. He's doing the government efficiency. Dude, drive a Veyron through the derision gap. You want my respect?

• 1:03:07Speaker 02

  I think that, but one of the things that made the later seasons of Top Gear and then a lot of the grand tour also a little bit less appealing to me ultimately, although it was great content still, was that they had kind of unlimited budgets and could do whatever. I liked when they had slightly more restrictive budgets and still do cool stuff. I've watched the Veyron versus the plane video recently on my way back on my flight back from Ohio for Christmas and it's so excellent.

• 1:03:30Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Speaker 02

  It is excellent.

• 1:03:31Doug DeMuro?

  I still remember when I was a kid and that came out and everybody was talking, it was like the biggest thing.

• 1:03:36Speaker 02

  I did that. I watched the Aston Martin challenge too, the very first one. And it was like, yeah. But it was to my point, like, yes, they had a Veyron, but they're also racing a Cessna. It wasn't like, you know, you could go crazy and like, and Whistle does a great job, but I don't know that that's necessarily the answer.

• 1:03:52Doug DeMuro?

  I think I would, I think we'd make it pretty good.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  I think it would be good too.

• 1:03:56Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Uh, last two, I'm going to do two more quick questions, two more quick questions, two more quick questions.

• 1:04:03Doug DeMuro?

  Three, I'll do three more very quick questions because they're very quick. Sneadlock, where do you think the bottom is for three-year-old EVs? I don't think there is one. Three-year-old EVs that have a bottom, but I assume he's talking about, because he says the Kia EV6 and Mach-E that are a few years old now are 25. How much more will they drop in the next three or four years? Nissan Leafs are free. I'm not exaggerating about free.

• 1:04:23Speaker 01

  New Leafs are literally free. Used Leafs somehow cost money. Something to think about.

• 1:04:26Doug DeMuro?

  A used Leaf can't be more than a $3,000 car.

• 1:04:29Speaker 01

  They're still above five.

• 1:04:31Doug DeMuro?

  With a functioning battery. We're getting to golf cart levels here. So the answer is, oh, I think they have a floor. How much more can they drop? Dude, how much you got?

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  I think all of these have a floor and it's between five and 10K.

• 1:04:42Doug DeMuro?

  A buddy of mine texted me the other day. He said he got offered 25 off on a new F-Type. Doug, do you think this is a good deal? Because how much more value could it lose? I said, all of it. It can lose all the value and it will.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  You know the number zero?

• 1:04:53Doug DeMuro?

  I, I do think that any functioning car has a floor and it's around a couple of grand.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, five, five grand.

• 1:04:59Doug DeMuro?

  But I don't think there's like a floor to these. So if you're thinking, because everybody's like, oh, these Mach-Es are such good deals at 20. I bet that I can't lose much more. No, they will.

• 1:05:06Speaker 01

  They are a great deal at 20, though.

• 1:05:08Doug DeMuro?

  Both are true.

• 1:05:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:05:10Doug DeMuro?

  Um, next, yeah, I agree with that. They are still great deals, but they will still lose more.

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  If you want a functioning car that's three years old, which you do for a bunch of reasons.

• 1:05:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that is a pretty good one. But don't think you're going into it that like you've found some infinite money glitch where you're never gonna lose. You're gonna lose.

• 1:05:26Speaker 01

  It'll be worth 12 and after that it'll be worth eight and then it'll be worth five forever.

• 1:05:29Doug DeMuro?

  Cause they're still overproducing them.

• 1:05:30Speaker 02

  Where's Doug? You gonna lose.

• 1:05:32Doug DeMuro?

  Next question from Caliber ORP. Doug, why did you stop reviewing houses? Cause of travel. Cause of travel. Cars, I can get them here, right? Cause you know what the thing about cars is?

• 1:05:42Speaker 02

  The great thing.

• 1:05:42Doug DeMuro?

  They got wheels.

• 1:05:44Speaker 02

  That's the great thing about cars.

• 1:05:45Speaker 01

  You can transport houses.

• 1:05:47Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Well, you get into that business. The answer is because of travel. I got all these kids, they're running around. And, uh, I'm like Elon Musk. And, uh, and so the answer is, uh, the house reviews, I did review three houses or something. They were amazing. It was so much fun. People loved them. The videos were great. They did well. They were cool to do. I love, I love real estate and property, maybe more than I love cars. And, but I, in San Diego, there's only so many houses, you know, like types of houses. Like, oh, here's an Italian style house with a big property. Or here's a Spanish style house.

• 1:06:19Speaker 01

  Here's a new mansion.

• 1:06:20Doug DeMuro?

  Right. I don't. In order to do it right, you gotta go to a Swiss chalet, then do an Aspen compound, then a Lake Como villa. Then you gotta find some weird thing in, in Brazil.

• 1:06:31Speaker 01

  I would do that.

• 1:06:31Speaker 02

  Yes, but the, the thing with homes, I don't think it, I think there are so many different variations of what people do with their houses. You could find almost an infinite.

• 1:06:40Doug DeMuro?

  But to do it right, like, like, like allegory to my car videos where I would review a Chiron and like the best of the best.

• 1:06:47Speaker 02

  I don't think it has to be like that.

• 1:06:48Doug DeMuro?

  Well, then you do it. By the way, this is, this is another thing. This is another thing. People ask me this. Take, take my idea. I, I did it. It was good. It was successful.

• 1:06:56Speaker 01

  Have.

• 1:06:56Doug DeMuro?

  If you, if you want to do it, it's yours. I'm giving this to you.

• 1:06:58Speaker 01

  There are so many house YouTubers.

• 1:07:02Doug DeMuro?

  I know, but there's a lot of car YouTubers, but like nobody, like nobody did my video. Like I'm, I'm giving people the quirks and features of houses.

• 1:07:07Speaker 01

  If somebody came to you and said, here's this house, it's a mile from your house. It's really interesting. Would you do it?

• 1:07:14Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, I don't know if Sean would let me put that on the Cars and Bits YouTube channel.

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  Interesting question. Where do we put that?

• 1:07:20Speaker 01

  Doggone houses.

• 1:07:21Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, last question, last question, last question. And this is a great one, and I really want to answer it. It's from the Sultan of Brunei, probably not the real Sultan.

• 1:07:26Speaker 02

  But maybe.

• 1:07:27Doug DeMuro?

  Because, I don't know, Hasanah Bolakai, I asked him. Uh, hey Doug, the Stelvio Quad seems to be a future enthusiast gem compared to the Macan Turbo in the X3 comp. But you recently said you thought the Giulia Quad would fall in price once production ends.

• 1:07:45Doug DeMuro?

  There's not a question there, but I think he's implying that he doesn't feel that way.

• 1:07:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:48Doug DeMuro?

  No, no.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  You heard the numbers.

• 1:07:50Doug DeMuro?

  It's gonna fall in price.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  You heard the number zero?

• 1:07:54Doug DeMuro?

  Right. Here's, and he then says, "The Quad portfolios are not appreciated in their day, low volume, have enthusiast appeal, what am I missing?" What you're missing is, there is a general feeling that the brand is not high quality. The cars were not built in such low numbers, such sufficiently known numbers, that they're gonna be really desirable. It's like C4 Corvette guys. Yeah, there's not a lot of them, but there's not that few of them.

• 1:08:16Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:08:17Doug DeMuro?

  Um, and ultimately, like, the cars are kinda known to not be the best screwed together. And that has a real effect on the secondary market, a real effect. And you're sitting here saying, well, they're low volume and they have enthusiast appeal. Well, M3s are that. I mean, you know, Lexus GSFs are that. They still depreciate. They're gonna continue to depreciate.

• 1:08:37Speaker 02

  You can get a normal.

• 1:08:38Speaker 01

  You can get a normal.

• 1:08:39Doug DeMuro?

  Normal ones are free.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  For real cheap.

• 1:08:40Doug DeMuro?

  Wow. Normal ones are 10 to 15.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Yep. That's so cool.

• 1:08:42Doug DeMuro?

  And honestly, it's a pretty cool car.

• 1:08:44Speaker 01

  The other element here is that there's just nothing that's like, that is era-defining about a Giulia Quad for you. There are a lot of other 500 horsepower automatic sedans.

• 1:08:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. You can get an ISF, you can get an M3.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  When it came out, it was at 100 more horsepower than the M3. It was a very compelling car.

• 1:09:02Doug DeMuro?

  But quickly, quickly that changed.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  Quickly they added the competition package and, you know, BMW got their, got their stuff together.

• 1:09:09Doug DeMuro?

  And now has, and now has exceeded them, which is kinda the story of Alfa Romeo, right? Like BMW has done this, and then they did this, and then they, because BMW is like constantly refining because they have huge budgets. Alfa just kinda sat on this car, right? And I just don't think, I think it's cool as hell. When I see a Quad, which is very rare, I am always like, damn, this is a cool car. But I don't think it's ever gonna be like a car that climbs in value. It was a midsize sports sedan. There's a lot of options in this, in this segment, and I don't think it's special just because it happened to have an Alfa Romeo badge on it.

• 1:09:37Speaker 01

  That said, they are worth more than an F80 M5.

• 1:09:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, so is an ISF. I mean, I think that they seem to be holding their value pretty well.

• 1:09:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, but they're not appreciating it.

• 1:09:47Doug DeMuro?

  But I don't think we're gonna sit here and say like, once production ends, prices are gonna go up because you can't get them anymore. I don't think it's that simple.

• 1:09:53Speaker 01

  Production, who cares?

• 1:09:54Doug DeMuro?

  My understanding- I don't think they will actually go to zero.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  No, I agree. I don't think they will.

• 1:09:58Speaker 01

  No, regular ones will be worth zero, are worth zero.

• 1:09:59Doug DeMuro?

  Regular ones, I already, when I see a used regular one, I already am like, that's kind of a sketchy car. Like, I'm already noticing the type of people who buy them are, let's say they're, let's say they're coming out of G37s.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  We're gonna have takeovers with Alfa Romeo.

• 1:10:13Doug DeMuro?

  The G37s got smashed in a takeover.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  No, because this is not a powerful enough Ford.

• 1:10:17Doug DeMuro?

  The Ford, yeah, the base car's not powerful enough.

• 1:10:19Speaker 02

  People start modding it.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  Look at that Verdi Visconti metallic.

• 1:10:23Speaker 02

  Say it one more time.

• 1:10:25Speaker 01

  No, no, the other one.

• 1:10:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, but I would have clicked on that one too.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  He just wanted to say the Italian word.

• 1:10:29Doug DeMuro?

  I did.

• 1:10:30Speaker 02

  One more time for us, Filippo.

• 1:10:31Doug DeMuro?

  No.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  Verdi Visconti, or is he saying?

• 1:10:35Speaker 02

  Verdi Visconti.

• 1:10:36Speaker 01

  It's in the Italians.

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  Buongiorno.

• 1:10:38Doug DeMuro?

  Don't. Okay, that's the end of our pod.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Can I have that car?

• 1:10:41Doug DeMuro?

  That's a nice looking car. That is nice looking on every level. Those wheels look great.

• 1:10:44Speaker 01

  They do.

• 1:10:45Doug DeMuro?

  This is a cool, what did this sell for?

• 1:10:47Speaker 01

  This is a 21.

• 1:10:48Doug DeMuro?

  What year is this?

• 1:10:49Speaker 01

  That's a great looking car.

• 1:10:49Doug DeMuro?

  Does this have CarPlay?

• 1:10:50Speaker 01

  Filippo.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  21, so maybe?

• 1:10:53Doug DeMuro?

  They don't, they didn't make another one of these though is the problem. There's only one in this color.

• 1:10:56Speaker 01

  And it has highway assist, adaptive cruise with stop.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  Of course you can't have it serviced here, there's no Alfa Romeo dealer in San Diego.

• 1:11:02Speaker 01

  There's no KNS.

• 1:11:04Doug DeMuro?

  There's what?

• 1:11:04Speaker 01

  What's it, the KNS is the dealer?

• 1:11:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, that's true. Okay, anyway.

• 1:11:08Speaker 01

  There's no Maserati shop though.

• 1:11:09Doug DeMuro?

  That's our podcast. It was the best one we ever did.

• 1:11:12Speaker 01

  Yep, without doubt.

• 1:11:14Speaker 02

  Best one so far this year.

• 1:11:15Doug DeMuro?

  Best one this year for sure. Thank you all for watching. We went a little long, but it's, it's, it's been a while.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  We had a lot to cover.

• 1:11:22Doug DeMuro?

  Lot to cover. Thank you for watching, and Kenan will buy a Cayenne Turbo any day now.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  That's the dream.

• 1:11:27Speaker 01

  Any month.

• 1:11:27Doug DeMuro?

  Goodbye, everyone.

• 1:11:28Speaker 02

  Goodbye.