Life After Death w/ David Ditchfield

Is there life after death? This is life’s greatest question. I hope to give you hope in this interview and perhaps comfort that there is good news. This week on The Ed Mylett show, my next guest is the awe-inspiring David Ditchfield. Whether you are a person of faith, a person of science, or somewhere in between, every single one of us has wondered, “what will happen to me after I die?” David Ditchfield was tragically dragged under a speeding train which left him in a critical fight for his life. While doctors fought to save him, David had a vivid near-death-experience and a rare glimpse of what happens to us when our lives are coming to an end. In this interview, David describes his miraculous experience from start to finish in vivid details laying on a huge rock surrounded by beings (I believe angels ) as he gets a momentary glimpse at God. My favorite part of the story is that it leaves mystery and leaves room for anybody of faith to continue to believe what they hold to be true… That’s the beautiful part of this conversation As a Christian, it’s just reaffirmed many of the things that I believe to be true. Regardless of your religion, there is enough to let you know that there is a God and not enough to get so specific that it would violate any religious traditions. The only reason we get to hear this story is because David lived! He returned from the afterlife with unbelievable new talents, and a new perspective on his once, out-of-place life. David is living proof that although our bodies may be finite, our spirit is eternal. Regardless of your religious beliefs, this interview will move you to your core. You can’t afford to miss this soul-shaking interview! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:46Ed Mylett?

  Welcome back to Max Out, everybody. Today's show is special. It's unique. I have a very unique man with me today that I sought out after reading his book, Shine On. And what we're going to talk about today, everybody, is death and life after death. And I know that that's a topic that we think of even more than we realize we think of. It's something that every human being is fascinated with and you all know that I have. Before we do this, I know many of you come to the show today with. You know, very deeply held religious beliefs, including myself, and today is not in any way to change those beliefs. It's just to give you the insight into David's story. And uh, and to see what insights and breakthroughs that it might give you uh, that might even strengthen your current faith.

• 2:30Ed Mylett?

  So um, my guest today is David Ditchfield and David, welcome to Max Out.

• 2:36Speaker 04

  Thanks Ed, it's great to be here.

• 2:39Ed Mylett?

  I'm curious, uh, so great to have you because I've read the book, um. Who were you before this? So who was David Ditchfield before he ends up getting dragged by a train, which you'll all hear about in a minute? That's a teaser for one of the most amazing stories you're ever gonna hear in your life, but who were you before that?

• 2:56Speaker 04

  Okay, well, uh, I'd. I'd basically, I'd left school without any qualifications because I'm dyslexic and uh. So I moved to London and I was just hoping to sort of just like cut my, my way through life there. And um, I mainly I was picking up uh, blue collar work, so I was doing, working on construction sites and uh. But you know, day to day sort of manual working. Um, living in London, obviously like all capital cities is very competitive, expensive place to live. So you know, time got tough for me, to say the least. Um, and I didn't really, do you know what, I was doing, I was doing all these manual jobs and I didn't really fit in. I didn't, I'm not, I didn't fit in, I couldn't do them as well. I used to look at these guys.

• 3:39Speaker 04

  Plastering a ceiling and I say, wow, that's the work of art, how'd you do that, you know? So, so life just felt like it was, the gears were grinding all the time, so, so yeah, so.

• 3:48Ed Mylett?

  Did you grow up with any religious beliefs in particular before this experience? Did you believe in God, didn't believe in God, or did you subscribe to a particular faith?

• 3:57Speaker 04

  I I didn't actually know. Interestingly enough, my parents are both Christians. So, you know, they they used to take us all to church as a family. And I rejected the idea. I didn't feel comfortable with with church. You know, I wasn't an atheist, but I just didn't like the whole idea of church. I've got nothing against any faiths, but. That's where I was as a kid, you know. So my parents were really liberal and they said, that's cool. You can, you know, stay at home. So my kind of. Faith and all religion kind of went out of my life, really, yeah.

• 4:26Ed Mylett?

  Okay, and that that's interesting to me because I'm going to be interested in your take post this experience. So. Take everybody through. Look, all of us have defining moments in our lives. They can be big and small, right? That. Um, you know, a defining moment can just be meeting somebody. A defining moment can be leaving a career and starting a business. It could be deciding you're going to lose a bunch of weight. You, my friend, had a real defining moment in one's life to the extreme, and it's one that most of us dream of, maybe even have nightmares about. Fantasize about, wonder about. You got to experience something that very few people that come back ever have a chance to experience. So take us through what happened first. And then the experience post, if you would.

• 5:09Speaker 04

  Of course, yeah. Um, basically, I I was seeing a friend off at the rail station in in Cambridge and. I was helping her on to the train with her bags and stuff, you know, and I gave her a kiss and I heard goodbye, you know, and probably didn't leave. Quick enough because we heard the the emergency buzzers going. And as I stepped back. The bottom part of my coat, it was like a thick sheepskin coat, got trapped in the closing doors as I slammed to. Now, I couldn't pull it out. I took as hard as I could. You know, I I yelled at the top of my voice for help, hoping that a guard would would turn up, but nobody did. Um, so, yeah, you know, emergency but buttons on the side, I whacked those, they didn't work. So I the the.

• 5:52Speaker 04

  The engine started to rev up and I was looking into the eyes of my friend Anna and I just saw sheer terror looking back at me. So I thought. This is it. I'm going to die, you know, because the engines were just ready to go. And the train pulled out and. It pulled at a tremendous speed. I heard every gear shifting, you know, and I I lost my footing eventually. I got dragged along the platform. And then I got sucked between the the edge of the platform and the the speeding train itself. And down I went, you know, and uh. It's really strange because um it's like time it's uh it's stretched because I I remember as I went down, I remember seeing the sides of the carriage almost disappear into the sky and I heard this tremendous rip.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  And then down I went and I was just pulled down into the like into the gates of hell. It was into this dark. Sort of aggressive machine and I was just tossed around relentlessly like a ragdoll. And um I was fully conscious throughout the whole ordeal, um but. I was thrown eventually down to the ground in between the tracks as the train was still continuing on at fast speed above my head. So I just kept my face down into the gravel. Um because I knew it wasn't all over yet. I thought part of the undercarriage could just whack me over the back of the head and that would be it. So um it's interesting because I I was I was in survival mode basically. And so I suddenly thought to myself, remember.

• 7:14Speaker 04

  The James Bond films, the double O seven, you know, all those adventure films, what he would do now, he would just put his head down and keep it and lay flat. So that's what I did.

• 7:24Ed Mylett?

  You literally had that conscious thought, James Bond in that moment, really?

• 7:28Speaker 04

  I did do, yeah. I I thought of lots of things. Actually, just as as the train was about to leave. I suddenly had this thought came into my head. I'd seen a news article about two or three weeks earlier where. A small child had been thrown from a burning apartment block from the the second or third floor. And had landed uh without any uh injuries. And they said that's because children, infants uh don't tense up as we do as adults and they they just kind of relaxed. So I relaxed my whole body as I as I was dragged and pulled under. So, you know.

• 7:59Ed Mylett?

  Wow. Did you feel physical pain? Could you? Were you experiencing physical pain at the time?

• 8:04Speaker 04

  Um I was, but it's it's interesting. It's like.

• 8:09Speaker 04

  I thought about it when I was when I was at school, when I was a kid, I remember having my first fight in the playground, you know, and I remember the first punch really hurt. Then the ones after that didn't hurt so much. So it was a bit like that, if you like. It was very painful, but you kind of like went to into this kind of like sort of like, well, it's happening and it's happening so quick. That you didn't really have time to absorb, you know, the full entity of the pain until the train had moved on. And then I felt it, you know, big time, you know.

• 8:36Ed Mylett?

  The train actually physically dragged you though, correct? You were dragged by the train?

• 8:40Speaker 04

  That's right. Yeah, because my coat was still trapped in in the doors and it was only the sheer force of me being pulled between the the platform edge and the speeding train itself that released me and then then pulled me right under, you know.

• 8:52Ed Mylett?

  So when we die, did you have a moment before this? And I'll let you, please elaborate. Don't feel like you need to be brief. But did you have a thought, I'm I'm dying right now? Did that happen prior? And what goes through one's mind in those final seconds, if anything?

• 9:11Speaker 04

  Um, interestingly enough, it was terrifying, but nowhere near as terrifying terrifying as as the anticipation, the anticipation, if you like, you know. If if I if somebody said to me like two minutes before, you're going to get pulled along by this train and you're going to get pulled under, I would have just freaked out. But when it actually happened, I I dealt with it, you know, my mind went into survival mode rather than, you know, uh, what's it called? You know, flight or fight. So I went into fight mode and decided that I was gonna, I was gonna beat this thing. It was it was odd. It felt like that this speeding train suddenly turned into this like big mechanical monster and I felt like it was just me against this huge machine.

• 9:53Speaker 04

  Um, yeah, okay, when I got pulled under, I did, I was aware, I suddenly felt like I'm just flesh and bones and this is a huge chunk of of metal going at high speed. It's probably gonna kill me. But as I say, I just kept fighting and I just kept my head together as much as I possibly could.

• 10:10Ed Mylett?

  Is there a point, David, where you have a thought? And then you're no longer in thought? What took place? Do you do you vividly remember the moment?

• 10:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:20Ed Mylett?

  When you, I guess, did die? Or do you not remember that when it happens?

• 10:25Speaker 04

  Oh, right. Well, I didn't actually die at the uh, when I went under the train. Okay. So, I mean, I survived it and then then they took me to the hospital. But

• 10:33Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 10:33Speaker 04

  You know, clearly I was very near to death, but um. It's it's interesting because I I saw a documentary with with with a guy, a US doctor called David Eagleman recently, and he was talking about this. And he said that it often happens that when people are facing death like me and they're in danger, that the mind kind of like sort of it it the the conscious mind sort of leaves and and and you're able to just go into the state like I was of thinking it through. Like, for example, it took the the rail police timed it on. And I said, how long did it take before the moment I got pulled up and then pulled under? And they said thirteen and a half seconds. And to me, it felt like minutes, like time was stretched out. It was like I got I could

• 11:16Speaker 04

  see everything as well. I took everything in like like I got this thirty five mil widescreen that suddenly camera being fitted to me, you know. And and that is that is quite regular. That happens to be.

• 11:28Ed Mylett?

  I was probably moving you forward a little bit, and I don't want to make sure that I do that. But I'm referring to the moment in the hospital when you and by the way, if I missed something significant there, go back, because I don't want anybody to miss anything. But I'm sort of thinking you the train incident has taken place. You're now at the hospital. I'm wondering in that moment, and please fill in the blanks in between. Is there something? Is there a thought that you now know you've slipped to the other side or through the veil? Or was there a conscious thought this was happening? If you would take us through all of those that that moment in the hospital? If there's anything prior to that, please fill it in as well, though.

• 12:06Speaker 04

  No, that's fine. I mean, basically, they got they got me off the rail tracks and into an ambulance. And I was in in the emergency department, and I was losing copious amounts of blood at this point. And the doctors were frantically running around. And I was I thought this is it. I'm scared that I'm still going to go because I sounded scared. And I went from that high anxiety and the sheer pain that I was in to suddenly I slipped into another place altogether. And the moment of transition was was quick, but it was very it was very calm. And I was suddenly in what I felt was like a darkened room. And when I say dark, it wasn't a foreboding dark. It was actually a very comfortable comfortable

• 12:49Speaker 04

  place. And I I kind of looked around me to see what was going on. And when I looked around, I saw like these beautiful orbs of colors that were like slowly pulsating all around me. And it kept me calm, you know, I felt very relaxed, but I figured at that point that I had died, I thought, right, I didn't make it. This is it. This is the other side, you know, and I didn't fight it. I didn't resist it. It's not like I wanted to die. Uh, you know, I wanted to live, but I was so comfortable with where I was after the extreme horror that I'd just been through that I just kind of went with it. So I kind of got my bearings, as you would do, and I looked around and I realised that I was no longer laid on the hospital trolley, but I was on a huge

• 13:30Speaker 04

  rock. It was like a big sort of medieval altar, if you like, and it was made of slate. And I felt very comfortable on, on lying on this slate, which is odd because you wouldn't do normally. And I realised I was no longer clothed, but I was, I was covered in a blue sort of satin sort of sheet, which was very comfortable, really cooling. And um, I laid my head back and I just kind of went with the flow. And then as I looked up, there were like these three grids of white lights slowly closed in on me. And as I looked up into this light, I couldn't take my gaze away because the, the purity of this light was just so wonderful. It was like, I felt like it was healing me as well.

• 14:11Speaker 04

  And it was so bright that I wouldn't be able to look into it, you know, if it was electric or, or sunlight normally, but I just couldn't take my gaze away. So as I lay there looking into this light, I am, I was there and then for some time I suddenly felt the presence of somebody would had arrived. There was somebody with me. So I lifted my head and there was, and there was this person stood just at my feet. Uh, like an androgynous being, you know, like neither male nor female with this pure white blonde hair. And the skin that was glowing from within was like this light coming from this being. And it, it was interesting because he or she was just wearing like a very contemporary black T-shirt like you and I would be wearing, you know, and, and nothing too ethereal at all.

• 14:56Speaker 04

  And I felt like I'd knew, I'd known this being for a long, you know, I thought, who are you? I know you, don't I? I just knew, I just knew that face, but I, I don't know why, but it, but I did. And he or she just kept smiling back at me. And I felt like I was safe and I was being protected uh by this being. So I, you know, I just laid my head back again and I just kind of figured this is really, this is really lovely. This is amazing. And then I felt the presence of, that there was other people around me. And so I looked and there was, there was either side of me, there was two female forms. And again, there was the girl to my right was very, wearing a good, just a contemporary brown dress,

• 15:39Speaker 04

  long brown hair, kind of European looking. And the girl to my, to my left was, was more American Indian or Asian Indian appearance and wearing like a more of a traditional dress. And they had their hands just kind of like slowly hovering over my body, almost like sort of Reiki healing or something like that, you know, and the energy that was coming from their hands was just so powerful. They didn't touch me, but they just kind of hovered over. And to me, it felt like they were healing my soul. You know, they weren't just healing the wounds to my body because interestingly enough, I checked my wounds because my left arm had been severed in the accident from the elbow down. But as I looked, everything was back in place, everything was fixed, not even a scratch, you know.

• 16:24Speaker 04

  So, so I realized that this healing that was going on was just kind of like healing all the, you know, all the kind of past wounds in my life. It was all that had gone. Because like I said to you before, before, I didn't feel like I fitted in anywhere in life. And I felt like I was struggling. So I felt like a failure, basically. But in this place, I mean, in this space, I, I didn't feel any of those things. Everything like that had gone, you know, all feelings of guilt or what have you, completely dispersed.

• 16:56Ed Mylett?

  So I want to stay with you, I want to interject. What's interesting to me is what you're not feeling to some extent, meaning it sounds to me as if it's not occurred to you that you have left earth and have died. And that's, would be a scary and sad thing. It occurs to me, you're not thinking of, at least at this moment, yet, missing friends or family or situations.

• 17:20Ed Mylett?

  Uh, or really even wanting to process everything that's going on, that it seems like it's so beautiful and joyous that you're just sort of enjoying it. And that override any things I would think logically you would be thinking about in that moment, true or false?

• 17:34Speaker 04

  Absolutely true, yeah, yeah, and which is very unlike me uh up until that point because. I was a very conscientious person and I was uh and I carried a lot of guilt and I always felt like I was the one that was messing up in the family, you know. I remember, because my parents, my family had arrived in in the in the hospital just before I'd left my body and my mother was in tears, you know. And uh I was going, mom, I was I was apologizing back in the hospital saying, mommy, so is me bringing all these dramas and troubles to the family, I'm so sorry. And she said, it's not your fault, which of course it wasn't, but when I was in this space and in this place, all that gone, I remember actually thinking about my family, yeah. I thought, ah, I better check on my family because they're gonna be pretty cut up now because clearly I'm dead, you know, and so.

• 18:19Speaker 04

  But it wasn't like a sort of like a sort of, oh, my goodness, my family, you know, it wasn't that kind of response, it was like a very calm sort of, right? So I tried to look over the edge of this huge rock that I was on, hoping to see them. And as I did look down, uh I I couldn't see them at all, but what I saw was this um amazing sight, it was this beautiful. It's like a huge waterfall of stars that was like that curved around, you know, that's the size of Niagara or whatever. But it was just, instead of water cascading over the edge, it was just millions of stars just sparkling and just, it was a beautiful sight. And I just thought, wow, this is awesome, I'm not in a small darkened room at all, I'm actually in the universe itself, you know?

• 19:01Speaker 04

  And so I looked up and there were stars all around and I just thought, and I saw shooting stars falling through the middle of this. And I looked down to see how far I could see and I saw what looked like one galaxy, then disappearing into another. Then I could see, it was like an abyss and then into this, into different colors, into different galaxies and um so. By now, I'm just kind of like feeling, this is just amazing, you know. And I turned over, and this was the moment of, of truth, I guess, where I, I did. When I turned over, I felt this energy of, that I was feeling. When I talked about this energy that was coming from the, the hands of the healers. It was like an energy of love, you know. And this, suddenly that energy had been turned up like a dial.

• 19:46Speaker 04

  And what had happened was, I looked and there was a huge tunnel of white light that was closing in on me. And this tunnel of white light was just surrounded by dramatic flames that were slowly rotating around. And again, I felt no fear. I just felt excitement because it looked so awesome. And the energy that was coming from this white light was just so powerful. That it, I felt like every molecule of my body was, was almost like vibrating with this feeling of love that was coming. And when I talk about this love, it's like, it was like all the different expressions I'd love, I've, I'd had in my life, whether it's through my, my parents, my siblings, or my lovers, or even my pet cat. You know, it was all those different types of love condensed into one.

• 20:32Speaker 04

  And it was just like, it's beautiful. And I just knew at this point that what I was staring at was the, the source of all creation. You know, this was, this was God. It's actually this tunnel of white light. And that's, that's, that was the source of all creation that I was now looking right at.

• 20:50Ed Mylett?

  Are there times where you look back on this event and wonder, what was this? Um, could I have been under, you know, severe medication and anesthesia? And I'm sort of transcending these two places. And the, these are the people that were working on me. I'm wondering if those thoughts have occurred to you post, as you've reviewed this scene, millions of times probably in your mind.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  It's never occurred to me, and that's the truth, you know, as far as I'm concerned, it happened and it's it wasn't, there's a difference between a hallucination and a dream, dream state and hallucinations are more chaotic and bizarre and they're also prone to change as well, you know, it's like if you have a dream, you know, after a bit, you forget it or the boundary shift, whereas with a near death experience, you know, it stays with you because it's ultra real, you know, it's as real as I'm sat here now, you know, chatting with you and it's, you know, so you can't, you can't really escape it personally when you've had any of that experience. Of course, I'm fully aware that I've been, you

• 21:55Speaker 04

  know, questioned before that, you know, the scientific take on it, which is great because I mean, without science, I wouldn't be here, let's face it, the scientists saved me. Interestingly enough, when I started writing my book, I spoke to a friend of mine who was lecturing in nursing and I said, look, would you look at my medical records if I get them from the hospital and see what kind of drugs I was on and if they were mind bending at the time? And so she did. And I was given some medication when I was on the track, which she said could have had an effect, but by the time, judging by all the timing, when I was in the hospital itself and in the emergency department, before, you know, I had my N D E at that point, it wouldn't have been in my system enough to have been

• 22:40Speaker 04

  hallucogenic, if at all, if at all, because, you know, it wasn't a strong drug because they were getting me ready to go into theatre. So they had to watch just how much stuff they were putting in my system.

• 22:52Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, David, these beings that were around you, they were human form though, in your mind, they were, they're human form in your experience.

• 23:00Speaker 04

  That's right, yeah.

• 23:01Ed Mylett?

  And you said earlier that that light was the source of the universe and it was comforting and beautiful and I think that gives people great comfort. Then you said, but it wasn't this person in the sky or Allah or one of these other things. One of the things that is in scriptures, that multiple different scriptures, but I'm a Christian, is that that process between here and heaven.

• 23:27Ed Mylett?

  And the process in getting there is not described, heaven is, but that transition to getting there for the thousands of words in scriptures is not a highly detailed and documented or described experience. And so I think just for people that have a particular faith, because we're not done yet with the story. But I, and I hope you would be too. I hope that, that there's an opening that could be on the other side of that, that you didn't ultimately end up getting to. Could be revealed to them in the way that they believe it currently here on earth, right? So what happens after this comforting light experience that's so beautiful? What takes place next?

• 24:07Speaker 04

  Well, I don't know. That is, is the answer to that because with my near death experience, it wasn't too long after I'd seen the huge tunnel of light and I gained that knowledge that what I'd seen was what it, what it was, that I came back crashing back to earth. I, one thing I felt throughout the whole experience was that I felt like I was being prepared for something. I felt like they were gonna send me on somewhere next. So to the next level, the next stage. I didn't actually feel, right, I'm in heaven, you know? I just felt like I'd reached a beautiful, almost like a departure lands, if you like. And, and that's where I felt I was. So I can't answer that and say what happens next. Some people have, some people go into more detail and go on to, you know, and see different things than I do.

• 24:50Speaker 04

  But I felt that I was, they, I would, they'd equipped me with enough knowledge to come back and, and say, and basically try my best to get the message over through different forms, creative forms. I started painting and started writing music and then

• 25:07Ed Mylett?

  Beautifully, by the way.

• 25:09Speaker 04

  Thank you very much.

• 25:10Ed Mylett?

  Beautifully, by the way, when you go to David's website, everybody, beautiful work and but I want to say something to everybody listens, because I just think it's such a beautiful experience that there's some confirmation. That people like yourself have experienced in these NDEs, that my gosh, there is something after this. And for those of you that hold to a particular faith, I love David's story. It's why I wanted David on above everybody else. Because we don't know what happens at the end of that life. Perhaps the things that you strongly believe in your faith is is where you're going to meet your angels or your family members. Other people have said, they've met family members on the other side. You meet your savior, whatever that means to you. But what's most beautiful about this experience is

• 25:48Ed Mylett?

  is that there was something real that took place in this beautiful, comforting place, that there wasn't misery and sadness and these tremendous emotions of loss. And then the other, the great news is that there wasn't nothing. That it didn't just end. And so, so I think it's so beautiful and but, but I want to stay with you. And, and thank you, by the way, too. And I think everyone that's watching this, you can see David's just, he's just a beautiful soul. And there's a piece about you that I wish I could have met you prior, that I bet I wouldn't experience, just in your, your energy and on your face and etcetera. You look like a man at peace. And um, it's okay. So this takes place and then what? Because we know you're back.

• 26:30Ed Mylett?

  So, so we know you're here talking to us. So what took place from where we left off?

• 26:35Speaker 04

  Yeah. So um, so yes, I came back crashing back to earth into my body. And all the pain came rushing through and all the, the, the sort of hyperness of the hospital was there. But interestingly enough, a lot of people said, oh, you must have been disappointed that you came back. But I wasn't because I was so charged with all this energy that I'd just been given from the other side that I felt connected to it. And I just thought, why have they sent me back? What's my mission? You know? And so they, they rushed me into theatre at that point. And then I remember I woke up in the, in the middle of the night after eight hours of being operated on. And I was just in this room on my own with this little R2D2 machine bleeping. And all I could think about was what, what had just happened. And I just thought.

• 27:19Speaker 04

  How am I going to tell the world about this? And I was scared at that point. I was going to forget it all because I knew nothing about near death experiences. So I thought it was just me who'd had it. And I thought, I've got to tell the world. And so I decided there and then I'm going to do a painting. And I thought it's going to be huge. I've never done anything like this before, but I thought I'm going to do a big like Renaissance style painting like you see. Michelangelo's done, you know, these big biblical scenes, you know, so I thought that's the way I'm going to tell it. So I decided straight from the off, I was going to do that. And yeah, so once.

• 27:50Ed Mylett?

  Was there a point, David, when you were on the other side that you made a conscious choice to come back? That you said, I'm coming back or just you were back?

• 27:59Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, they made that decision for me. I didn't have any choice in it. So I'm sure.

• 28:04Ed Mylett?

  Who is they? Who made that decision?

• 28:07Speaker 04

  Well, you know, it's, it's for me, it's, it's, it's the energy of the universe and my guides and God. Also, so that decision was made there. It felt like, you know, a group thing. It didn't feel like it was just God. It felt like the, because my guides that were there have worked with me still. They're with me. And that first, first being of light that I talked about, I feel like that was my soul keeper, you know, that was like my, you know, my, my high consciousness, if you like.

• 28:41Ed Mylett?

  They made the decision that you're back. Was there a point when you were, did someone pronounce you dead in the hospital at one point? Did, uh, did your heart stop? What do you think caused you to go to that other side?

• 28:54Speaker 04

  Yeah, I didn't actually die clinically. Some people do, but, you know, obviously I've looked into near death experiences a lot now. And it's, it's, it's a case of when you're actually very close to it, when you're facing death, you know, like I was losing so much blood at that point, you know, that I was in danger of just going. So, yeah, so they didn't actually pronounce me dead, but. Uh, yeah, it it's amazing that I that I survived, basically.

• 29:25Ed Mylett?

  So you you end up, you come back, you make the the painting, you start, you know, sort of expressing yourself this way. I'm sure that when you tell a story like this, that um you have tons of support. Where people are like, thank you for having the courage to share this. Thank you for changing my life. And then I'll bet on the other side, you have people going, why should I believe you? Right? And what would you say to somebody listening to this? There's a, there's several million people will hear this today. And they want to believe you. And by the way, there's hundreds of N D Es that are out there. The reason I chose David's was one, the way that he expresses himself. Think he does it in the most respectful way. And I like that there's some mystery left to it that allows people to continue to hold on to

• 30:10Ed Mylett?

  um beliefs that they uh or knowledge, faith that they have to be held dear themselves, including somebody like myself. Um because of when it stopped. That's my favorite part of this is that there's still some requisite of faith and and frankly, mystery to some of this that allows us to um hold on to things that we we hold to be true. So what would you say to somebody who just says, you know, you were a guy who hadn't found his way in life, and this is your way now of finding significance in your life? You would say what to somebody who asks you that?

• 30:43Speaker 04

  Well, I'd say that um, you know, the the the the absolute contrast in my life from where I was at before and where I'm at now is just like quite a remarkable change, you know. Um, you know, writing, doing the paintings is one thing, but right writing classical music with no formal training at all to this day. And and I can't even read or write any a single note of notation. But I'm writing for orchestras, you know, which even people, conductors of orchestras, and and these top guys turn around and say, I would never be able to do what you're doing. How did you do it? You know? So it is crazy. So I was given the the, you know, this energy to be able to do this. So that's one thing. But um, you know, it's like.

• 31:26Speaker 04

  All I want to do is, you know, is say to people that, you know, I just want, we never, we don't really talk about death in Western civilization, do we? You know, we haven't done since the days of the plague or what have you. Which is, I'm not saying we should be discussing it every day over our morning coffee, but I mean, we should, we, we, we address everything else. Don't we like birth and marriage and even taking our driving test? So we should at least stop and have a think about what's gonna happen, because it's gonna happen to us all at some point.

• 31:53Ed Mylett?

  Well, David, I have this philosophy that we don't talk about it. I agree with you completely, yet I believe we're almost in constant thought about it. And the reason that I believe that is because I, I have a belief that, you know, our soul is being called in a particular direction all the time. So I actually believe that people who live what I call consciously or intentional lives, I think is the majority of my audience, they do think about. There's two things they're constantly thinking about that they're unaware of. One is their childhood and one is their death. And those are the things that cause these emotions that we feel so strongly throughout our lives. I think is because we are constantly being called to these places. To be honest with you, my childhood and my death someday and where I go after this are the most important things in my life.

• 32:35Ed Mylett?

  You know, including my family, that's the most important thing. The, the most important thing to anybody driving in their car or on the treadmill or watching this on YouTube right now is what does happen to me someday? Yeah. Who am I? Am I a body or am I a spirit? And so I think these are the most important things. I'm curious, one, it's obviously caused you to live, to express yourself very differently. But what about just your attitudes about life? Everyday people listening to this right now that struggle with, I've got an electric bill to pay. Or I'm in a disagreement with my spouse. I imagine the perspective change has to be dramatic for someone like yourself.

• 33:16Ed Mylett?

  And do you ever slip back into being that other guy where, you know, things that shouldn't, that are pretty trivial, end up seeming huge to you on a daily basis?

• 33:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course. I mean, you know, you, you know, you don't come back superhuman, you know, so you've got, you've got all those things that still stick with you, but. You know, you do come back with a knowledge of like, well, hang on a sec, you know. When I was in that place, as I discussed earlier, you know, all those feelings of anxiety and guilt are gone. So I try to go back and remember that. Um, you know, in terms of the soul, the way that, as you beautifully described it, and that's great. I I agree with you on that because I, I mean, that's one of my takes on it all. And that is that the soul is far too powerful a thing just to suddenly switch off like a light when we die. You know, yeah, the bodies do, the bodies stop and then they decay. But I just believe that the soul is so powerful that it continues on.

• 34:05Speaker 04

  And, uh, you know, so it, I mean, the other thing is as well is like, you know, it's when with scientists and what have you. The, um, that, yes, scientists are great, but they haven't got all the answers. We're still, we don't, we're only just touching what's the, you know, the knowledge of the universe, for example, itself. And I kind of figure this is what I always say, and that is, um, say, for example, love. We never question that, do we? Like scientists are never looking for an answer for that. There's no scientific equation for why we fall in love with another person and they do with us. And but we just let that go, we we we accept it. So why not accept, you know, the fact that the, as I just, I'm saying that the soul lives on and and, you know, it's, um.

• 34:45Ed Mylett?

  It's a beautiful thing. If I, if I've ever done a show where I want people to feel more comforted and blessed in their life. And also maybe change your perspective too, like I assume now, maybe before you were, but I assume you're not afraid to die.

• 34:59Speaker 04

  No, I'm not at all. Yeah. And so that's quite a big thing to say, isn't it? You know, I'm not going to just come on and say that. So, so no, I don't fear death at all. So it's, it's.

• 35:09Ed Mylett?

  How does that change things? Do you ever, do you wake up some mornings like, I don't, I don't know, there's, do you wake up some mornings going, did that happen? Really? Uh, or, or is it just such a part of you now?

• 35:19Speaker 04

  It's a part of me, yeah.

• 35:21Ed Mylett?

  Is it really?

• 35:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, sorry, carry on, Ed, yeah.

• 35:23Ed Mylett?

  No, no, no, no, I, I, you answered it. I, I would think that if I went through an experience like that, I would be so happy. I mean, you've basically, for you, answered the biggest question of life. I mean, that's a pretty big deal, brother, you know?

• 35:40Speaker 04

  It is a big deal. I mean, I'm going to be honest with you as well, and that is that when I first came back from the whole experience, when I was just so charged with all this love and this energy that all I wanted to do is give this love out to everyone. And, you know, when I was in hospital, my, my parents, my family and friends, same, they used to come in and say, you're amazing, you know, you've been under a train, you can hardly move, you've got all these wires and tubes, but you've got this energy glowing from you, you know? So I figured, right, and when I go outside, I just can't wait, you know, but the reality is, I was, you know, I came crashing down afterwards because the world is, is a lot tougher than that, you know what I mean? I, I, I had to go to the, you know, all sorts of stuff like legalities and things like that. And of course,

• 36:24Speaker 04

  that's a tough, tough arena in itself. And me coming out, I, I wasn't armed, I wasn't sort of protecting myself at all, you know? So, so, yeah, so there was, it was tough at first just to, just to sort of think that you can go through your life, living off, off the back of this experience.

• 36:40Ed Mylett?

  You still have stress, you still have problems, but there's greater perspective, it sounds like. Do you have any practices now that you utilize to, uh, enhance your spirituality? Your energy, anything like that, uh, on a daily basis or, or on a consistent basis?

• 36:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I do actually. Um, I discovered, um, spiritual healing, uh, which, which I started going to pretty soon after my accident. And that's, and that's great. That's brilliant. I mean, it's like, um, not many people seem to know about it or even take part in it because it's, it's, it's almost like going to meditation or, or Reiki healing, as I discussed earlier, you know, because it's, it's just kind of hands on. But I just feel very connected. I go there, for me, that's, I don't just go there now to be healed, uh, physically or emotionally. I go there to sort of touch base, if you like. It's like my, my church now. So I go there. Well, at the moment, it's not happening because of the pandemic, but up until that point, I was going a lot. And I just used to, for example, like,

• 37:39Speaker 04

  I'd be sat there and the building where we do the healing is in like an alleyway that goes down to the river and there's a boxing gym right opposite. So when you're sat there, you go into the silence and you hear these guys laying into a punch bag. And normally you'd be thinking, I can't do this. But you know what? I just think immediately, I start thinking, well, it's a young guy. He wants to learn to box. You know, that's great. That's his night. This is mine. And I go into that silence, to that peace, and that that sound just goes and it just disappears. And it's an amazing feeling. And I feel connected. I feel connected with that other side. And I feel the energy through. And it's not just me who feels it's the healers as well, who are working with me

• 38:21Speaker 04

  because they just say, I say, God, you guys are amazing. And they say, no, we're not. We're just conducting the energy through. And then it goes into you. But they feel it as well.

• 38:30Ed Mylett?

  Do you, what's the picture behind you?

• 38:33Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, that's one of my paintings. That is, yeah, that's, that's actually an image that I saw when I first started having spiritual healing. I was because some of the healers, you know, they're clairvoyants, and they would just give you a little message at the end sometimes, you know, just very short. And one week I was being healed and I saw an image of Christ right in front of me while I was being in this healing, you know, and I came through or came, whatever you call it afterwards, you know, we finished. And we just sat there for a bit. And then the healer turned around to me and said, oh, you know, you had Jesus with you, just stuck right by you. I was going, no way. I said, look, I just saw him as well. So of course, I had to paint him. So that's him there. And he's floating above the river, which is right where

• 39:14Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  where I was.

• 39:16Ed Mylett?

  And I find it fascinating that you keep that picture of Jesus very close to you, by the way, as well. I mean, there's looks like there's some family and some other work and then that picture. What did your Christian parents think of this whole experience? I'm curious.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a good one, because it took me about a week or so to tell them because I thought they're not going to get this because I thought it's just gonna, you know, it's not gonna be part of their teachings, whatever, you know, in the church. And I wanted them to believe it. So anyway, so when they sat down, it was in the hospital. I said, I've got to tell you something. This is something really important. So I talked the whole story through, as I've just told you. And my, my mom just turned around afterwards. She said, we know. And I said, you know, how do you know? She said, David, we come in here and you're just Like I said earlier, you've got this light that's glowing from within, you're just glowing with all this beautiful energy. And it's like you're giving out this care to everyone around you, including the nurses. And so it's like they got it straight away. So that's, that's lovely.

• 40:12Speaker 04

  So it's, it's interesting because I, I said to them, I said, do, do, does this ever get talked about in church? And they said, no, it's never really in our faith. It's never really, apart from the resurrection of Christ. You know, it's never really, really discussed. In fact, I spoke to, because we had like, there was a, a vicar or a priest working in the hospital. And I asked if I could see him. He was one of the first guys that I wanted to tell. And it was interesting because he was a lovely guy, but I could see that for him, well, it's like, well, this isn't something that, you know, he's been educated to sort of, you know, do his role. So it was kind of interesting that he couldn't sort of shift, he couldn't go, oh, right, you know, he's just.

• 40:53Ed Mylett?

  I must tell you, and I know my, some of my Christian followers would say, this is an interesting topic because I don't think David said anything, by the way, that doesn't fit into your faith, by the way, if you're a Christian. I, I don't, I don't, I haven't heard anything that doesn't. But one of the things I've always, I'm a detail guy. So as an entrepreneur, I always like, you know, specific details and steps. And so I've talked with at least thirty pastor friends of mine about what do you think the actual process from the moment your light clicks out to when you're in heaven is? And that is an undescribed process. Heaven is described and some of the transition to there is. And there's a few things you said there today that sound like that. My, my Mormon friends believe in celestial levels of heaven.

• 41:34Ed Mylett?

  And so these things in most faiths are under described when compared to the other elements of detail. About how to live our lives better and the works of, of Jesus, for example, in the Christian faith and his teachings. This process is one of the least detailed in description. I know a lot of my listeners say, they'll begin to send me descriptions, but I'm talking about in comparison to other things. So this, this entire story fascinates me and it's extremely interesting to me. Let me ask you this, David, a couple more things. Most people that listen to my show, I think, uh, live intentionally, meaning they wanna live a better life.

• 42:15Ed Mylett?

  Uh, uh, they're not sort of just, you know, unconsciously zombieing through their lives. They feel emotions deeply. They wanna win. They wanna dream. They wanna achieve. They wanna contribute. They wanna make a difference. Um, you wouldn't even be listening to something like this. You wouldn't be taking the time. You'd be listening to music only if you weren't one of those types of people. What did, what would you, uh, just life lesson overall, perspective life lesson about, you know, the time they all have left, if they're twenty and they've got eighty years left, or they're sixty and they've got thirty, whatever it is, what would you just say about what you've discovered about life and its meaning to you and maybe that you would share with them?

• 42:56Speaker 04

  Um, what I would say is, um, be authentic to yourself. Um, but self-love, that's what I learnt from the other side. I didn't have that throughout my whole life, you know? And once I'd learnt self-love, then I got self-confidence and self-belief. And, uh, and then I, I realized it was just, whatever I do now is completely authentic to me. It's like my pathway that I'm taking, you know, all, when I started doing the paintings and writing the music, I didn't think, right, um, I'm gonna get, you know, I wanna get a record deal with this. I wanna get it out, you know, it, it just, it, things started to, doors opened of their own accord because I just focused on, on what was there in front of me. So,

• 43:36Speaker 04

  you know, it's just kind of like being in the moment, if you like, as well. That's another thing is, is just like try and stop and be in the moment and just, you know, just relax and just focus on what feels right for you. Don't try to aspire and, and put doors open that don't actually belong to you because that's never gonna work out, you know?

• 43:54Ed Mylett?

  I'm just curious, did you ever have an experience where you saw yourself in the hospital, where you looked down and saw you?

• 44:00Speaker 04

  I didn't do, no, no.

• 44:02Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 44:02Speaker 04

  I know that, I know there's quite a few accounts where people do, they see themselves, um, you know, down and, but I, I didn't actually see myself, no.

• 44:09Ed Mylett?

  Okay, I'm just curious about that because that is a consistent theme that I've heard with other people that have gone through this. Uh, what I wanted to do today, and you've done it, brother, is I wanted people to just first hear your story and feel your spirit. And I'm hoping that whatever faith you came to this program with today, that it's strengthened. That there's some comfort in knowing that something happened after this man's body stopped working and and it was beautiful and it was so beautiful that he wasn't even feeling the normal emotions of I better go back I'm in pain all of these beautiful things and so I hope that everybody felt that today and also your wisdom post you know coming back about you know life and what it really means to be here and I just think you're wonderful and if they want by the way if they want more of you

• 44:53Speaker 04

  It's actually shineonthestory.com

• 44:55Ed Mylett?

  Okay so you want to be the book shine on the story

• 44:58Speaker 04

  Yeah dot com yeah

• 45:01Ed Mylett?

  Okay so guys I recommend you get it there's a little bit more detail than obviously that we've covered today and all the way from what is it probably eight o'clock where you are in the UK right you're in the UK

• 45:11Speaker 04

  Well yeah roughly around that now yeah

• 45:13Ed Mylett?

  Okay so so thank you doing an evening interview we're morning here in the United States so

• 45:18Speaker 04

  It's a pleasure

• 45:19Ed Mylett?

  Yeah my I loved it enjoyed it very much today I'll let everybody draw their own conclusions make their own decisions and I look forward to talking with you more in the future David everybody else make sure you follow me on Instagram we do the max out two minute drill every day on Instagram I make a post seven thirty Pacific time if you make a comment on my post in the first couple minutes or you just comment on every post every day you're in a drawing to win all kinds of stuff max out gear ride on the plane tickets to events you meet my guests you get coached by me all kinds of cool winners we pick them every day every week so God bless everybody max out

• 45:56Speaker 03

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