Part Two: Vincent Tolman Died in a Dairy Queen Bathroom at 25 — He Was Gone for Over an Hour and Came Back With 10 Messages About the Afterlife

He was dead for 90 minutes. What he saw will shatter everything you think you know! Doctors say this should have been impossible. Vincent “Vinney” Tolman wasn’t just clinically dead - he was gone for somewhere between 45 minutes and an hour and a half, with no brain activity and no chance of returning without severe damage. Yet somehow, he came back - fully conscious, forever changed, and carrying a story that has left even medical professionals stunned. What happened during that time? According to Vinney, everything we think we know about life, death, and reality is only the beginning. After an accidental overdose in a restaurant bathroom, Vinney crossed over - and what he experienced on “the other side” goes far beyond a typical near death experience. He describes leaving his body and entering a state where he could hear the thoughts and feel the emotions of others, moving through a realm where time doesn’t exist the way we understand it, and encountering a level of unconditional love so overwhelming it defies human language. In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, he shares the moment he met his spirit guide, learned how to raise his energetic frequency to travel, and underwent a profound life review, reliving not just his own actions, but feeling every ounce of pain and joy he had ever caused others. After being resuscitated and placed in a coma for 3 days, Vinney returned with 10 specific messages he says were given to him from “the other side”, including insights into: - Why we’re really here on Earth - Hidden purpose behind suffering, conflict, & evil - Why free will is essential to existence - Truth about authenticity, love, & judgment - How tech & other negative influences shape our spiritual path - Why our value has nothing to do with what others think He also reveals why he believes Earth has existed far longer than we’ve been told, how it moves through energetic cycles, and why children seem more spiritually connected. But coming back wasn’t peaceful. Vinney opens up about the dark psychological aftermath of returning to his body: waking up in a hospital, desperately wanting to go back "home", seeing what he believed were departed souls, and nearly losing himself trying to process it all. From being prescribed antipsychotics to a supernatural turning point that pushed him toward spiritual understanding instead, his journey didn’t end when he came back - it only got more intense. Now, he shares how he connects with his spirit guide, the premonitions and guidance he receives, what he believes “Earth angels” really are, and how anyone can begin connecting with their own spiritual guidance. He even links his NDE to childhood trauma, explaining how dissociation may relate to the ability to leave the body and what that means for human consciousness. Vinney believes we are currently in a global “shedding phase”, and his mission is clear: to awaken as many people as possible. This isn’t just a story about death. It’s a story about why you’re here…and what you’re meant to remember. Vincent Tolman’s book, The Light After Death: My Journey to Heaven and Back: https://thelightafterdeath.com/ Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0%E2%81%A0 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik⁠⁠⁠ https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:04Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Miam Bialik.

• 0:05Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 0:06Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to our Breakdown. Welcome back to our conversation with Vincent Todd Tolman. At the age of 25, he was declared dead in the bathroom of a Dairy Queen. But he was not dead. He had an incredible encounter, came back with 10 lessons, and an entirely new perspective on reality, consciousness, and what our purpose is here on Earth. We're so excited for part two of our conversation with Vincent Todd Tolman.

• 0:32Speaker 02

  Break it down.

• 0:34Mayim Bialik?

  Take us from "We are all one," which was the last lesson that you learned, to hearing your brother's voice.

• 0:41Speaker 02

  You know, Drake said that we're all fingers on one hand, all of us. Doesn't matter what country, what religion, what race. Doesn't matter who you are. Even he explained even animals and plants and Earth, it's all, we're all fingers on the Creator's hands, the hand that writes the story. And that we can't hurt each other without hurting our Creator and without hurting us. And he taught me something as the principle of the pointed finger. Whenever we point our finger at somebody, we're pointing three fingers back at ourselves, but also pointing equal blame to our source. So there's no way to point negative outwardly. But if we point positive outwardly,

• 1:26Speaker 02

  like, wow, you did a great job. That's bringing in positive energy, sending up positive energy, yeah. So that pointed finger is very powerful in the positive, but also very powerful in the negative to tear us down.

• 1:38Mayim Bialik?

  Sure.

• 1:39Speaker 02

  So that was another tool that I learned as we were finishing this journey. And as we were finishing the journey, we're approaching this expansive place, just...

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Gigantic, like bigger than I thought was even possible in this universe. It felt like this, this space, I can't even call it a planet because it's so large. It feels like you could put multiple suns across it, like multiple of our suns. It feels like you could put probably thousands or millions of our Earths inside of it, easy, just to cross it across one circumference. I knew it was just vastly larger than anything I could comprehend, anything that I think we even have comprehension of in this universe. And I noticed that I could see this beautiful landscape off in the distance.

• 2:34Speaker 02

  And as we got closer and closer, um, you know, I, I could, I was really focusing in on this grass and I, I didn't understand yet why, but we got closer and closer and closer. And then I, I felt as my feet, my toes came down and like intertwined with the grass and stood in the grass. And as soon as I did, it went back to that same feeling I felt when I had that life review and I felt this overwhelming love pour over me. I felt again, just this rush of unconditional love coming into me from my feet. And the only thing I can think of is like, but why? I don't deserve this. I know I don't deserve this. And they just kept speaking to me.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  The grass would speak, every blade had a voice and just, or a thought at least, and you can hear the thought. And so I could hear them say, because you're you, because you're Vinnie. And I kept hearing it again and again. And that's when I noticed that the grass itself had the most sweet, sweet flavor. And I was tasting it through my energetic toes.

• 3:45Mayim Bialik?

  Whoa.

• 3:46Speaker 02

  And it had this aroma that felt like very florally, but also very earthy. And it had just all these smells that were beautiful with it. And I noticed that every single blade had like a tone, like a musical tone, and that all of them together were like a concert, like an orchestra. And so I'm, I'm just absorbing all of this and it's, it's almost too much, really. Like I'm trying to take it all in. I'm, I'm bawling, but there when you bawl, you just like glow brighter. You know, here when we cry, we get tears and waterworks, that kind of thing. There, when you do the crying energy, you're just like glow brighter. So I was glowing like so bright.

• 4:30Mayim Bialik?

  I'd be so bright.

• 4:31Speaker 02

  And, and I, I had this feeling like, I'm so glad I'm home. So glad I'm home. And I, you know, I'd done quite a bit of recreational drugs in my life. And I, I noticed that right then and there, this is what we're chasing with those drugs. We're chasing one of these blades of grass.

• 4:54Mayim Bialik?

  Chasing home.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  We're smoking the wrong grass. You know, I, I, um, I was just in the, enthralled by this grass. And Drake came over to me, he goes, if you like the grass, you should see the flowers. And I just freaked out and like, there's flowers, what? And I'm not a flower guy. I'm a, I was an amateur bodybuilder, working in movies and stuff here and there, TV shows here and there. I was not, um,

• 5:22Mayim Bialik?

  A grass and flower.

• 5:22Speaker 02

  Flower guy, yeah. And, but yet I was like, there's flowers. Yeah, so I want to see the flowers. And, and he took my consciousness and like, put it on a flower. Like somehow made me small and put it on a flower. I was like running around. I could see everywhere my, my foot touched the flower petal, it would glow brighter. And it was like liquid lavender light with some beautiful reds and pinks inside of it. And it was just, um, luminescent. And again, a smell, a taste, a vibration. You would even see like these rainbows coming off of everything. So there is just so many more senses that we don't have here.

• 6:06Speaker 02

  And it's, you know, a lot like our, our, our eyes here, how we can only see 15% of light. It's, it's like, there's a reason we can only see 15% of light. When we leave these flesh vessels, these flesh temples, we can see all light. And that's why I was seeing that glow on that medic's chest is that's part of his light. And I was just so excited, you know, he Drake showed me the trees. I was freaking out about the trees. I felt like they were wise, ancient, billion year old souls. And they were just living very slow and methodically about their existence. And then I felt this tap on my toe.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  I looked down, I saw this little creek, this little stream had come out and it had like tapped my toe. And I heard in my mind, do you want us on you? And I was like, yes, I want, yes, whatever this is, I want it. So the water started coming up and over me.

• 7:03Mayim Bialik?

  The water was speaking to you.

• 7:04Speaker 02

  Yes, it definitely was. Yeah. And I was speaking to it too. So we were, we were conversing and it was going up and over my body. And you know, as a kid, I had severe abuse. And a lot of that showed up in my adulthood. I would get in fistfights. I would headbutt people all the time. I had put a guy in the hospital one time because he kicked me in the groin and you know, I just silly things. But I would take out my, my trauma. I would channel it on any male who disrespected me, especially one that looked like my dad, you know?

• 7:46Speaker 02

  And here it was, this water was going in and finding all these little places in my soul. All these like little cracks, these hyper fractures, these tears, and they were repairing it. And as it went up, it wasn't till it got to like my chest. I'm like, oh, I wonder if I'm going to be able to breathe. And it came up over my mouth and I was like, oh yeah, I guess I don't need to breathe. That was the first likely I even noticed, like, you don't need to breathe there. And the water came up and complete itself on the top of my head. And when it did, there was like a, a boom of energy, like that came off the top of my head. And then the water came back down slowly, came down off of me and I felt healed. I felt completed.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  And I know that, that that was either Drake telling them to do it or Source telling them to do it. But they were, they were doing it because it was part of my journey to prepare me to go back. Because right after that, I was forced to go back. Drake came and put his arm around me and he said, Vinny, this next part, it's going to be really hard, but it's going to be worth it.

• 8:58Speaker 02

  And, you know, I, I think I'm invincible as a kid, but I wanted to cry right there. And he hugged me and when he hugged me, you know, our two beings came together. And it's so neat because you don't have that flesh vessel there. Your two energetic bodies can come and become one for a second. And when it happens, there's like this pulsar of energy that comes off of just a hug, a simple hug. And I could feel that all the energy that was in me and all the energy that was in him, when we came together as hug, it became eight X, it became eight times power, more powerful than what we could become on our own.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  It was just so much more powerful. And I felt like that was kind of a send off gift from Drake. Because in that hug, I started to hear in my ear, my brother on earth saying a special prayer over my, my comatose body. And, and saying, I command you to be whole. I command you to come back to your body. Cause it was, it was evident, it was three days, zero brain activity. It wasn't induced coma in the beginning, at least because I, I wasn't conscious, but they, they wanted to induce the coma for helping with the swelling. I had swelling on the brain, seizures, all sorts of stuff.

• 10:25Speaker 02

  So I wasn't coming out of that induced coma.

• 10:29Mayim Bialik?

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• 12:00Speaker 02

  And I was off of all sorts of meds and still no sign of coming out of it in my neurology. And they had talked to my brother and my dad and had given them like these little pamphlets on what to do next, what to do when they're not waking up. Like where do you go or do you unplug? And he knew my, he knew what my dad would decide, just unplug. But he wanted to make sure it was the right thing. And he wanted to make sure, especially for my mom. My mom was our saving grace in our family. And some of my siblings might not agree, but I don't care if they agree or not, she was.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  And she, she really was this bonding between all of us kids and, and somewhat of a defensatory wall between dad and us kids. And she was out of town when this was all happening. She was visiting my uncle Chuck in Texas and.

• 13:04Speaker 02

  No one had told her. Cause they knew, they told her she'd either get an ulcer or fly out the first flight back. And they wanted to make sure I was gonna live or die first before they told her. And they, they were deciding, do we call her, have her fly out and then unplug? Or do we just unplug?

• 13:23Mayim Bialik?

  So your brother made this prayer sometime in the evening?

• 13:27Speaker 02

  It's about, it's about nine thirty at night.

• 13:29Mayim Bialik?

  And a handful of hours later?

• 13:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 13:33Mayim Bialik?

  What happened?

• 13:34Speaker 02

  At one eleven in the morning, I woke up.

• 13:38Mayim Bialik?

  What is that, what did that feel like?

• 13:40Speaker 02

  It felt like hell. It really did. That's the hell I experienced. Even my negative life review wasn't as bad as this. It was really bad. And right at first, I didn't remember my experience. I just knew I wanted to go home. I knew I was extremely claustrophobic.

• 14:00Mayim Bialik?

  You said you felt like a whale in a sardine can?

• 14:03Speaker 02

  Yes. Like ours, our energetic bodies are so much bigger than these flesh vessels. That's why we have to come as babies so we can cry out that, that change. And then once we get through that, we grow into the physical vessel, allowing the energetic body to grow with us, right? And you know, our energetic body is, is huge and that's probably why home is such a big place. Cause we are big. And you know, when people say spiritual giants, that's almost all of us.

• 14:35Mayim Bialik?

  So you have this awareness of being in this hospital bed?

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Yes, I woke up, I tried to go home. I woke up, pulled every tube out of me, I pulled my catheter out, pulled my, my breathers out, pulled every diode on my head off.

• 14:51Mayim Bialik?

  So you had been dead for three days and you came back fighting like a lion?

• 14:55Speaker 02

  Yeah. And there was only two nurses on the floor. And they were, I think they weren't covering too many beds. But they had like, they had like two comas at the time and that was pretty rare. It was a brand new hospital. And, and my buddy wasn't one of them. He, they saved him right away. He went, he spent one night in the hospital and went home the next day. Cause they were able to pump his stomach and he didn't, he didn't ever die. And so, you know, I'm going through this experience of, I just want to go home. So I, I number one ripped everything off me and then just stood there naked for a second. And I'm like, I want to go home. I want to go home. And I'm looking around like, oh, I'm naked. And so I went rifling through the cupboards and found these gowns. And I grabbed like two of them, just wrapped around my midsection.

• 15:40Speaker 02

  And then I just started walking. I didn't know how. I would have looked like a crazy homeless man, but I was gonna do it. I was like, I'll just walk home. I'm not going to stay here. And then I heard two screams. And I looked back and see the nurses and I could just feel, I could feel the sorrow, the scaredness, the fear coming off of them. And I knew I didn't want to do that to them.

• 16:03Jonathan Cohen?

  Had you gotten outside the hospital?

• 16:04Speaker 02

  No, I, I got to the elevator. I got to the elevator and was pushing the button.

• 16:09Mayim Bialik?

  It's a little bit like Frankenstein's monster, meaning like something that has consciousness all of a sudden.

• 16:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:15Mayim Bialik?

  And has a directive to move, but doesn't really know how to do it.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that morning they did a whole battery of tests.

• 16:22Mayim Bialik?

  They got you back in the bed.

• 16:23Speaker 02

  They made me go back in the bed. They put on a real hospital gown. And even though I wouldn't let them tie it in the back, I was like, no. Uh, I just didn't like stuff touching me. I didn't even want sheets on my bed. I just didn't want to be touching stuff. I want to feel like I could have access to oxygen even on my skin. And like true claustrophobia, the deepest level. And you know, I, I met with all the doctors. Everyone was calling me, you're the miracle boy. You're the miracle boy. And I'm like, nope, I'm the damned boy. Cause this is not miracle. I feel damned. I did. I felt like punished at this point. I felt like I must not have been good enough for something. I couldn't remember yet where I'd been. I just wanted to go home again. I'm like, I gotta go home. Kept telling everyone that.

• 17:08Speaker 02

  And so I fought him and fought him and fought him. And then finally at about six AM, they, um, allowed me to start filling out paperwork. I had to fill it out for over an hour. And at 7:30 a.m. I checked out from that hospital on my own version. You know, my dad came to get me. And like took me home. I went running, went jogging.

• 17:31Mayim Bialik?

  Stop it right now.

• 17:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I remember running and feeling this like little scab right there and peeling it off. I was like, what's that? It's like afflicted. But you know, I was, I was, I wanted to go back to life. That's what I wanted. And I was a builder at the time. So I, I had a construction site. I'm like, oh, they probably think I'm dead. And so I wanted to go back to that site, but I knew, give myself a day. And then I'll go back tomorrow. So I did.

• 17:59Mayim Bialik?

  Give myself a day after being dead for three. You went back to work the next day.

• 18:05Speaker 02

  I did, yeah.

• 18:06Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm not a doctor.

• 18:09Jonathan Cohen?

  But not having brain activity. Being in a body bag with almost no pulse in your heart for the length of time, both in the bathroom and then in the body bag in the back of the ambulance. Like TV tells us that there's going to be brain damage. You're going to have much cell atrophy. You're not going to be able to function properly. How is it medically possible that you come back with all your faculties? It doesn't make sense.

• 18:41Speaker 02

  Well, every, every doctor that I've studied it with tells me the same thing. They tell me there's got to be a factor we don't know about. And I have one doctor that said, what was that, that supplement you were on? I want to do a study on it. So he, he did a study on it and said, and you know, I didn't follow up with him on the study, but I did find out what he reported on the study. It was something about that that supplement kind of worked like a anesthetic or, or something that would put someone to sleep. But in a, in strong amounts. But there was no heartbeat. They had me hooked up to the thing.

• 19:17Mayim Bialik?

  This was the big sleep.

• 19:18Speaker 02

  There is no heartbeat. And for well over an hour, if not more than an hour.

• 19:23Jonathan Cohen?

  Em, either from your own medical knowledge or from the internet.

• 19:29Mayim Bialik?

  Yes.

• 19:29Jonathan Cohen?

  How long?

• 19:32Jonathan Cohen?

  After having no heartbeat, does there begin to be brain damage? It's like three or four minutes, no?

• 19:37Mayim Bialik?

  No, yeah, it's not like-

• 19:38Speaker 02

  It's very fast.

• 19:39Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, no, I mean, there's-

• 19:42Jonathan Cohen?

  Like severe brain damage happens like within 10 minutes.

• 19:45Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, look, the, look, it's the understatement of the, of the century, right? To say, there's some other factor here, meaning you don't have a lot of choices in how to explain this man. There's not a lot of choices.

• 20:01Speaker 02

  I had a coworker, just a few months later, I was working with in Wyoming, and I told him my story. And he unbuttoned his shirt and showed me this Frankenstein scar straight down his chest. And said, "You think that's something?" I woke up during my autopsy.

• 20:17Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 20:17Jonathan Cohen?

  What?

• 20:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:18Mayim Bialik?

  What?

• 20:19Speaker 02

  And he's not the only one. I've read about more since then. Woke up during their autopsy.

• 20:26Mayim Bialik?

  What? Okay.

• 20:27Speaker 02

  It's not a lot.

• 20:28Mayim Bialik?

  We need to get his number. No, no, this is a pretty rare thing.

• 20:31Jonathan Cohen?

  Valerie has some stats here that I think are helpful, just to put in context.

• 20:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:37Jonathan Cohen?

  Just the enormity of the, just physical details here.

• 20:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:42Mayim Bialik?

  So this is from hypoxia, I think, yeah. So at three minutes, neurons suffer extensive damage, lasting brain damage becomes likely. At five minutes, obviously, death is imminent. At 10 minutes, even if the brain remains alive, meaning has blood and circulation and all those things, a coma and lasting brain damage are inevitable. At 15 minutes, survival is nearly impossible. No, it's not, I, I mean-

• 21:06Jonathan Cohen?

  That means lack of ability to, to speak, lack of ability to walk and have motor skills, no memory.

• 21:14Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 21:15Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, there's so many parts, and this is why, like, I really, I would like people to read the book, because there's so many parts of this that defy logic. Defy reason.

• 21:24Speaker 02

  You know, I didn't understand how it was possible until later I was following some Wayne Dyer stuff. And I discovered Anita Morjani, her story.

• 21:35Mayim Bialik?

  We've spoken to her.

• 21:35Speaker 02

  And how she woke up, you know, cured of cancer.

• 21:39Mayim Bialik?

  Correct.

• 21:40Speaker 02

  And I feel like that's what that waking up and that's what that water was doing.

• 21:44Mayim Bialik?

  You had a healing.

• 21:45Speaker 02

  The water was not just healing my energetic body. It was healing what was going to go back into my flesh vessel. And that would have to heal my physical body.

• 21:57Jonathan Cohen?

  So there could have been at that time before that healing.

• 22:03Jonathan Cohen?

  Extreme damage in your physical body.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sure there was. Yeah.

• 22:06Jonathan Cohen?

  So you could have.

• 22:07Speaker 02

  All the instruments said there was zero brain activity. Well, they they're rating it as like less than 5% activity.

• 22:13Jonathan Cohen?

  And were you on a, um, what's the machine that breathes for you?

• 22:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was on full breathing assistance. I was intubated. I had catheters in, double IVs to each arm.

• 22:25Mayim Bialik?

  They were giving you some sort of solution to kind of keep your electrolyte balance, something, you know, stable.

• 22:31Jonathan Cohen?

  And then that wake up was like instantaneous. All of a sudden you were back?

• 22:36Speaker 02

  I was just back. Yeah. And maybe that's why the time difference too. My, my brother said that prayer at about 9:30 and I woke up at 1:11. So maybe that's what, to me, in my perception.

• 22:49Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 22:50Speaker 02

  I was traveling through space and time. And, you know, time is kind of like this barrel right there or this glass, right? If you imagine this glass is like a bunch of spiraled noodle. And, and you look at that, that stack of spiral noodle, time is the spiral. And like to put me back in my time, they had to find my piece of the noodle to put me into it. But in that process, I could see on this side of the noodle and that side of the noodle. I could see what was in our ancient past and I could see what was coming up in our really distant future. So is, and it was very easy to see, just looking, you could see it.

• 23:29Mayim Bialik?

  I have an annoying question and then I have, I think, a less annoying. Question. I think that some, some people might, you know, even with loving skepticism, listen to, to your story and what happened to you and say, well, you had some sort of like elaborate dream and you think that you were seeing these things, but there's no way that you could. And all we have is like your account. Is there, you know, is there any way for us to, let's say, corroborate, you know, what was happening, let's say, in the Dairy Queen while you were in the bathroom so that we can say, oh, there is a way that you knew what was going on. Is there any way to kind of reference any of this to try and find connection points?

• 24:12Speaker 02

  Well, I, I woke, I woke up from it as a skeptic. I had a neurologist that that morning before I left, he, he really wanted to keep me another day to observe. He was afraid that it was a hiccup and I was going to go back into coma. He thought, you know, he said that it's common right before someone dies, they'll like get real high energy and be very, very clean and, and

• 24:35Mayim Bialik?

  It's a death lucidity. Yeah.

• 24:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, death lucidity. He thought I was in death lucidity and I was just going to drop dead any second. And there was a part of me that was like, maybe that's why I should just go running. Cause maybe if I'm running, that's not going to happen. So that's honestly why I went running as soon as I went home. I think that's probably why I went running. And, you know, I, I was a rugby player, football player, and I, I wanted to go move, get, get out of this body.

• 25:01Mayim Bialik?

  So is there any way that we can have little bits of connection points? Or is it, or do we simply rely on your report? You know what I mean? Like I want, I want to know the witness statements and I want them to say that you heard the thing. Like I want to know.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  I tried to get all of that at the time. I was 25 when I tried, so I didn't try that hard.

• 25:22Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  I tried with like a few phone calls, a few letters.

• 25:25Jonathan Cohen?

  It's complicated.

• 25:26Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, it's very complicated.

• 25:28Speaker 02

  Number one, um, the, the medic transportation, they wouldn't give me anything. They wouldn't even give me the medic's name.

• 25:36Jonathan Cohen?

  No, they have huge liability for leaving you in the bag.

• 25:39Speaker 02

  I knew he was going to get fired.

• 25:41Mayim Bialik?

  Did he get fired?

• 25:42Speaker 02

  He almost did. He ended up becoming a fireman and, and, but if he had stayed on, he was going to be released. He was going to be terminated. Yeah.

• 25:50Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, you don't like to save people.

• 25:51Speaker 02

  I tried to do all that. I did collect, you know, my very expensive block and a half ride on a, on an ambulance. I had a bill that at the time was like forty something thousand. Again, in two thousand and three, that was a lot for three days. Nowadays, you could burn that in a day here. You can go to lunch at a hospital for thirty grand now. So, you know, back then, you stay a week for maybe ten grand if you're lucid and not under a lot of assistance. So, yeah, I had that. I think it was like thirty eight, forty thousand for that bill. All of that's record. My time of death recorded his record, but because I was resuscitated, they, they didn't turn that in as finished paperwork.

• 26:34Mayim Bialik?

  So, so in theory, you know, we, we do, we get to rely on your accounting. When did the rest of the story get filled in for you?

• 26:43Speaker 02

  So for me, you know, I met, I was extremely depressed after this. I, I went to the most trusted search engine at the time called Ask Jeeves. And I, this was before Google.

• 26:58Mayim Bialik?

  What do you do when you die and come back?

• 27:00Speaker 02

  No, I asked, what's the most, and it's funny the way I thought of it. I knew this life insurance guy. He kind of bugged me. He's very annoying. And I asked him, I go, you know, what kind of jobs can you not sell life insurance to? And he's like, I don't know. It's a good question. So I went to Ask Jeeves and I found there a couple of articles saying, you know, if you're such and such life insurance company, you can't sell policies to underwater welders because they have a very high mortality rate. It's like sixty something percent. Crab fishermen, it's in the fifties at the time, back in the early two thousands, like fifty percent. Some military duties, it was in the high

• 27:39Speaker 02

  thirties, especially if it was there an active theater of war. And so I looked into all of them. Signed in, signed up for military.

• 27:48Mayim Bialik?

  What were you looking for?

• 27:51Speaker 02

  I wanted to die. I want to go back. I didn't want to be here. This was hell. Being here after there, that's hell. That's why we can't remember it. If we could remember it, we wouldn't stay here. We would just release ourselves.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  I wanted to go back so bad, but I knew that if I just went and drove off a cliff, which I, there was this one cliff, I drove to the top and just stared at it like, I could do it, I could do it Drake, I could do it right now.

• 28:20Mayim Bialik?

  Were you still in contact?

• 28:21Speaker 02

  Yes, and I thought I was crazy.

• 28:23Mayim Bialik?

  You thought you were going nuts?

• 28:24Speaker 02

  I thought I was schizophrenic, I thought I needed to be on multiple prescriptions for this. I did not believe in any of that stuff. I didn't. I believed in spiritual people and intuition. I didn't believe in psychics back then. I didn't believe in, in people being able to speak to the dead.

• 28:42Mayim Bialik?

  So you and Drake are still in conversation?

• 28:44Speaker 02

  Complete, and not only that, I'm seeing dead people everywhere.

• 28:47Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  And I'm seeing them as if they're alive, seeing them walk around, sitting around, talking to each other, even to this point where I felt like I almost needed to stop driving for a while, because I would swear for someone who's not there. And there was a big part of my brain that I'm, I'm having a hard time accepting, and I keep hearing that sentence from the neurologist, "Don't believe what your brain is filling in the gaps with."

• 29:15Mayim Bialik?

  Because that's what, that's what you were told.

• 29:16Speaker 02

  That's what I was told. He says, "Your brain's gonna make up a story, it's gonna be colorful, it's gonna be elaborate, but don't believe it, it's just your brain using Crayola crayons to fill in the blocks." And so I, I went, continued on my journey. I met my wife, I met, met my, my Andrea, my angel, and she's someone who, you know, the world doesn't get her, because she has a special gift with kids, especially special kids, and she could work with them, help them to do things that they've never done in their life. And she almost has like an ESP with autistic or special needs children.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  And, and here I was.

• 30:05Speaker 02

  And I just saw her as this porthole to heaven. I really did. And I met her through one of my friends, through her best friend, and before we even went on a single date, we knew we were gonna get married. We went on our first date after we had already both decided we were going to get married. And... We even had our first kiss before we went on our first date. And we were just hanging out as friends. But she was the first person I shared my story with. And I, I, I did it to try to like scoot her off. Cause I felt it was crazy. So if she did too, I'd be like, well, dodged that bullet.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  And so I told her the whole thing. It took like a week, by the way. I went into every detail, every element. She asked questions. I told everything that I could remember. And we get done to this period and we decide, yeah, we're going to get married.

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• 31:39Speaker 02

  And, and I, I find a new hope in my life. And with her, she helped me reprioritize my life. Cause you kind of had a bad boy image also. Oh, I not just image. I was a bad boy. Like any girl that liked bad boys, those are all my girlfriends and ex-girlfriends. That was just me. I had, I had this scar above my head from a headbutt that was so bad that it dropped my whole skinhead down. And it gave me a second eyebrow. And like a lot of girls love that. They're like this bad boy fighter guy and.

• 32:10Jonathan Cohen?

  Good thing you didn't meet her back then.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  Oh, I watched Blossom.

• 32:18Jonathan Cohen?

  Hold on, hold on.

• 32:21Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm, I still want to go back to the time period where you've come back.

• 32:27Jonathan Cohen?

  You feel like it's oppressive. You're living in hell. You've been in this place where you're so expanded. You're now back in the physical form and your mind, as you said, is like filling in the gaps. How are these images coming back to you? Like, how do you begin to recount and become aware of all that time?

• 32:46Speaker 02

  All the experience that came in one flash?

• 32:49Jonathan Cohen?

  No.

• 32:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, one flash. The entire thing dumped into me.

• 32:52Jonathan Cohen?

  How long after? Like, when was that moment?

• 32:55Speaker 02

  So, you know, I got out of the hospital at 7:30 in the morning. Did my, you know, running around, doing busy stuff that day. Like you do.

• 33:04Jonathan Cohen?

  Just running some errands after I stopped being dead?

• 33:08Speaker 02

  Dead man errands. And then I, then the very next day went to work, worked a full day. After work, my sister called and said, hey, I'm in town. She lives further up north. She's like, I'm in town. I want to take you to dinner. Um, our sister's here too, so.

• 33:22Jonathan Cohen?

  Glad you're not dead.

• 33:23Speaker 02

  So two of my sisters and I, we, we went and had dinner. And this one sister, she was just enthralled with NDEs. And she knew something happened, you know, she'd been really following this story. And I think she had called the hospital a couple of times and she was calling my brother and calling my dad. No one would tell her enough information.

• 33:42Jonathan Cohen?

  So she had the term NDE already? You probably didn't have it.

• 33:46Speaker 02

  She called it, uh, did you experience anything? That's what she asked.

• 33:49Jonathan Cohen?

  Wow.

• 33:50Speaker 02

  She goes, you were dead. Everyone says you were dead. They say you're a miracle. Like, did you see anything? Did you experience anything? And in my mind, my, my human formed the words, no, leave me alone. But what came out of my mouth while I, I started crying like a newborn child. I said, yes, I have a guide. His name's Drake. And I started describing him and I started crying really hard and heavy and I was like,

• 34:23Speaker 02

  I couldn't catch my breath. And I'd say, and I went on a journey. Ah, I just started crying and I just, I couldn't control it. I went into the bathroom, got myself together, even before my food came. And that was not me either. Like I would eat all my food. I was a bodybuilder and. No, I, before even my food came, I went and got myself together in the bathroom and just went home. I didn't go finish dinner with them.

• 34:47Jonathan Cohen?

  So in that moment, when she asked and you started speaking, it just, it just came to you?

• 34:52Speaker 02

  It all came to me in a single, single dump.

• 34:55Jonathan Cohen?

  And you knew it all?

• 34:56Speaker 02

  No, but, all of it.

• 34:57Mayim Bialik?

  But what he said was that human meat suit Vinny said, "No, nothing happened, leave me alone." And energetic Vinny said, "This is the floodgates."

• 35:08Jonathan Cohen?

  Do you think it was protecting you? Like, there's a version of our awareness similar?

• 35:12Mayim Bialik?

  It was the mask!

• 35:12Speaker 02

  I think it was. They had to put a mask over it because if I'd remembered it right away, it would, you know, my hospital room is on the third story, uh, second or third story, I probably would have just like, headbutted myself through the window just so I could go back. Honestly, that's probably, that's, unfortunately, I was one of those crazy guys at parties. That was me. And, um...

• 35:35Mayim Bialik?

  What's with the headbutting, Vinny?

• 35:37Speaker 02

  Well, you learn it in rugby.

• 35:38Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 35:39Speaker 02

  And then you learn it in MMA.

• 35:40Mayim Bialik?

  Mm-hmm.

• 35:41Speaker 02

  And it becomes like your go-to.

• 35:42Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  And it keeps you from scarring up those knuckles.

• 35:47Jonathan Cohen?

  But it's like, when we're children and we embody as babies, we have to forget about the transition so that we can, it, it feels similar that you came back, but you needed protection in order to-

• 35:58Speaker 02

  I did need that protection.

• 35:59Jonathan Cohen?

  Take yourself into that transition of getting over the, the, the coming back.

• 36:04Speaker 02

  And I noticed that there was a lot of spirits, um, what I would call angels, hanging out with Drake around me.

• 36:11Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 36:11Speaker 02

  When I first came back, for that first day.

• 36:13Jonathan Cohen?

  They have to watch over you, make sure that-

• 36:15Speaker 02

  There's like hundreds, hundreds.

• 36:17Mayim Bialik?

  What is the, what does that look like?

• 36:19Speaker 02

  Oh, they're so amazing. They're so beautiful.

• 36:23Mayim Bialik?

  Is there a visual-

• 36:24Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 36:25Mayim Bialik?

  What is it?

• 36:26Speaker 02

  It's, if you imagine-

• 36:31Speaker 02

  You know, being in that place of heaven, I saw that when you're there, there's no outside light. Everything is source light. So you're source light. The grass is source light. The flowers are source light. And angels are source light. So they could be in a dark room and they just, they're brighter than the day sun. If you can tune your consciousness into perceiving it, you can see even tones of color that the angels are. And by the tone of color, you know who they are. And

• 37:07Mayim Bialik?

  It's like Lorna Byrne.

• 37:09Speaker 02

  Yes. And the unemployed angels, they're all hanging out here waiting to be called in, either by prayers or by inquest, by asking. Anyone who wants to get help from heaven, you ask, there's spirits that show up. There's angels that show up for it. And I know, you know, my mom had heard what had happened. She wasn't rushing back. She had heard I was okay. And I know for a fact she was praying off her tail to pray that I was gonna be okay.

• 37:43Mayim Bialik?

  You saw when you were with Drake, you had an experience of seeing groups of beings praying for someone.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Yes. And watching those prayers fuel actual legions of beings to go help. Like enlist and go help. Yeah.

• 38:04Mayim Bialik?

  There's one story that I wonder if you can give us as an example of the kind of help that you sought. Because there was one doctor in particular that you went to. And a woman presented herself.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  She did. So I was still in the period of, I'm a crazy guy. Andrea's the only one who believes me. I don't think, I didn't even think my sisters believed me yet. Because I still couldn't tell them the whole thing. Andrea was the only one I could tell her for more than 30 minutes without like, deep. Breathing weeping, you know, and I just felt a comfort level with her. So I was in that period and I still am so skeptical. I've been so skeptical abused kids are skeptical. They don't trust anything. You trust what you your gut tells you. You don't trust what you see. And so I wasn't trusting what I saw with my my vision or whatever.

• 39:06Speaker 02

  And so I did say, you know what? Screw this. I told Drake, I'm like, I'm gonna go see a doctor. So I went to one doctor and he was like, I'm the wrong doctor for this. You need somebody who can prescribe you stuff. So I was like, okay. So he referred me to another doctor. That second doctor, I went to go see him. From the second I I walked in the room, I I sensed this presence of an older female. I knew she was in there. I couldn't see who she was or how she was connected until he started to fill out my prescriptions. And then she said to Drake and to me, don't you dare take those prescriptions until you tell him two sentences.

• 39:49Speaker 02

  The two sentences essentially alluded to, don't forget what I did. I protected you and that's why you do what you do.

• 40:01Mayim Bialik?

  How did he react?

• 40:02Speaker 02

  He he had some closeted trauma that he had zero memory of, that he had no memory. No one in his world had memory of this except for his mother.

• 40:17Mayim Bialik?

  That's who you were seeing?

• 40:18Speaker 02

  And that's who I was seeing, either mother or grandmother.

• 40:21Mayim Bialik?

  What did he do?

• 40:21Speaker 02

  But she just saying those sentences, it's like she gave him the memories. And when he this happened to him, really good like Christian guy, pictures of Jesus on his wall in his office even. And he took those prescriptions, just like ripped them to shreds and said, get the F out of my office. And I I knew this guy from his reputation. That was probably the first time he had said that word in his life.

• 40:51Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 40:53Speaker 02

  And because he had such a good, clean like reputation. So that freaked me out. I was like, good job, Drake. Thanks for letting me piss this guy off. Maybe I'm gonna have a white van meet me at my house. And I'm gonna go live in a new house. I really thought that. I was driving away. And then a few, you know, about a mile or so down the road, my phone rang. And he, it was him. He, he called me. And he said, Vinny, you know, I don't have any answers for you. My version of medicine doesn't have answers for you. He's like, I don't want you to seek your answers from us. My official opinion is you need a preacher. And not a doctor.

• 41:35Mayim Bialik?

  Wow, that's a spiritual solution.

• 41:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. So I did, I, I went to try to find more spiritual solutions. And found some rabbit holes, found some dead ends. And others I found is very helpful, too.

• 41:49Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, also, you had a completely different perception now of what religion even is, right? That's a, that's a human construct.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  Re-legion. Regather. That's what re-legion is. It's to re-separate, regather. And, you know, for me, it was really important for me to try that doctor's visit, though. I wanted my ego to know, I did what you wanted me to do. Now back off. Let me play with this a little and see if it is real. And I would, I would play with it a little and I would talk to guides. I'd talk to angels. I would go help people. Like, I would, I would hear, um, two miles up on your right, there's gonna be a woman sitting down on the road. She's, she needs a ride three blocks down.

• 42:35Mayim Bialik?

  No.

• 42:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and, and if you don't get her there soon, her daughter's gonna fall and hurt herself. So I like rushed around. I'm like, I'm here to pick you up. And she's like, okay. She just jumps in the car.

• 42:47Mayim Bialik?

  You're like freaking Superman.

• 42:48Speaker 02

  Okay. And at first I was. At first, I had to turn it down. It was making me crazy. And I ran her to her house. And I knew, okay. And I was like, Drake, do we make it in time? And he's like, great job, Vinny, great job, you know? And it was like, um, to me, on earth, when there's angels, that's what it is. It's like real angels working through us. That's what angels are. That's what earth angels are. Yeah.

• 43:13Mayim Bialik?

  What brings the tears for you?

• 43:15Speaker 02

  It's just that love. There's just nothing like it there. There just isn't.

• 43:22Speaker 02

  I have two amazing kids, a beautiful family. There's just nothing, nothing like that.

• 43:28Mayim Bialik?

  Do the angels go away when you're intimate with your wife?

• 43:32Speaker 02

  You don't think about that stuff.

• 43:33Mayim Bialik?

  You gotta draw the curtains, like there's no...

• 43:36Speaker 02

  Your human, your flesh vessel might think about that, but there's, there's no one interested in that.

• 43:43Jonathan Cohen?

  You're getting these messages.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:45Jonathan Cohen?

  You're helping people.

• 43:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:47Jonathan Cohen?

  You're having...

• 43:48Speaker 02

  Here and there, not a ton, but here and there I was.

• 43:50Jonathan Cohen?

  But you're being guided, you're absolutely being guided.

• 43:52Speaker 02

  When they told me to do it, I would do it.

• 43:54Jonathan Cohen?

  And you're in relation with Drake that seemingly on, on a very consistent basis.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  I can't lose him. He's worse than a shadow at that point. I couldn't lose him for anything.

• 44:03Jonathan Cohen?

  So you're now not dead, you got Drake, you're running around like Batman and Robin sometimes.

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:11Jonathan Cohen?

  But what else is, like, what are you experiencing? Like, what is your day to day?

• 44:16Speaker 02

  I still think I'm crazy. I really do. Um, all of a sudden I had this new gift that, that if someone was coming to speak to me, I knew it like two hours before they'd come.

• 44:29Jonathan Cohen?

  So you're having minor premonition?

• 44:31Speaker 02

  I, I did. I had minor premonition. I had a complete, um, gift of perception. Like I could tell, uh, so easily when people would lie to me or, or try to mask what the truth was.

• 44:46Jonathan Cohen?

  You could tell when something was beneath the surface.

• 44:48Speaker 02

  I would speak to their spirit guides and say, "How do I get them to tell me the truth?" And they'd tell me what to say. I'd tell it to them. And then they would like unravel the truth in front of me. And they would be like, "How'd you do that?" And I'm like, "I don't know, I don't know." Yeah.

• 45:02Jonathan Cohen?

  And are you having mediumship experience or just conversation?

• 45:06Speaker 02

  Not yet, not yet. Yeah. I, I didn't know, you know, again, back 2003, this was before a lot of the medium shows and all that. I didn't know what a medium was. I knew what a psychic was and I thought they were evil. I thought they were like charlatans and snake oil, bad people. That was just my judgment, my prejudice. And, you know, through all this, there was this pulse of light around me called Andrea. And she kept like aligning me. I would go into these tangents of like, I just wanna be back there. And then she'd say, let's get together and all of a sudden be like happy again. And, and I'd stop thinking about those things.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  So we started spending every day together and got to a point where she said, "Hey, next, next weekend, we're going to your family reunion." And I'm like, "No, we're not. We're gonna go watch a game, we're gonna go do this, go on a date." She's like, "No, sir. We are driving five hours up to the little town in Wyoming where this is going on. We're gonna go to your family reunion." And I was like, "Ah, okay." So we go to this little reunion. We, it's the end of the day. They're doing a little presentation at the high school on the history of this little town in Wyoming called Star Valley or Afton.

• 46:23Mayim Bialik?

  How long has it been since you woke up?

• 46:25Speaker 02

  Seven months.

• 46:26Mayim Bialik?

  Seven months?

• 46:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. So six, actually six months there, seven months when I got married.

• 46:32Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 46:32Speaker 02

  So just short of seven months, yeah.

• 46:35Mayim Bialik?

  Family reunion?

• 46:36Speaker 02

  At a family reunion, I'm sitting down, I'm bored. I'm like, "Let's just go back to hotel and watch TV or do something." I was still very much in my 25-year-old human. And Andrea's like, "No, this is really cool stuff. Let's learn about your heritage. This is your heritage, not mine. Let's learn about it." And so we were sitting there and I was trying to play along, trying to play nice. And all of a sudden Andrea says to me, "That's your guide." And I'm looking down, I'm like looking at this cooler that we have some drinks in. And I'm like, "That's not my..." And then I stopped, I was frozen. Cause I turned and looked and there was Drake.

• 47:18Speaker 02

  Like larger than life, they had this huge movie screen in the, in the middle of this football field. And they filled the whole screen with his face. And I just, again, just started weeping. I couldn't speak. I was, I was almost like paralyzed. And Andrea, just being the diligent little soul, she like grabs our stuff, kind of lifts me up, and she's so small compared to me. She's like a third the size of me. And she's like, kind of helping me up. And she's like, guiding me back to the car. She knows it's time to leave right then. And between the, the tears, that just snot bubbles like running out of my face,

• 48:01Speaker 02

  she heard me say, "Let's go to grandma's house." Because I saw the last name of Drake was Kazair, and that's my grandmother's maiden name.

• 48:10Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, so hold on one second. You're watching this documentary movie.

• 48:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:13Mayim Bialik?

  Right? It's a documentary that's put on about the history.

• 48:16Speaker 02

  It's like a play.

• 48:17Mayim Bialik?

  Right. Right, but it's a, a video.

• 48:19Speaker 02

  A film strip.

• 48:20Mayim Bialik?

  A film strip, right. So the, there, you're watching this, and it's part of just the whole thing, like the history of this area and the history of this region. And a face comes up, and you-

• 48:30Speaker 02

  And Andrea saw it first, not me.

• 48:32Mayim Bialik?

  Andrea, Andrea saw it, she felt something about this.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  She knew it.

• 48:36Mayim Bialik?

  And when you, when you saw it, you said, "That is the image, the person that's been with me, my guide." But it didn't say that his name was Drake.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  No, it said Charles.

• 48:46Mayim Bialik?

  It said Charles, and then the last name was-

• 48:48Speaker 02

  Kazair, Kazier.

• 48:49Mayim Bialik?

  Right, so it said Charles Kazier, and that's not Drake? But you had this feeling that you should go ask your grandmother?

• 48:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 48:56Mayim Bialik?

  Who has that last name?

• 48:57Speaker 02

  She had that last name, yeah.

• 48:58Mayim Bialik?

  So this was one of her, we don't know.

• 49:00Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't know. Don't even know if they're related.

• 49:02Mayim Bialik?

  Correct.

• 49:03Speaker 02

  But same little town, with like, less than maybe a thousand or two thousand people in it. Yeah, there's gotta be relations.

• 49:10Mayim Bialik?

  So you go to your grandmother?

• 49:11Speaker 02

  We go straight to grandma's house, and I think I need to ask about this Charles Kazair. And so I went and said, "Grandma, grandma, grandma, do you know who Charles Kazair? Can you tell me anything about Charles Kazair?" And her response was, "Oh, you mean great-grandpa Drake."

• 49:28Mayim Bialik?

  That's it.

• 49:29Speaker 02

  He's really famous in our family.

• 49:31Mayim Bialik?

  Drake.

• 49:32Speaker 02

  And he and she brought it up. She brought up the name Drake. That was the very next time I had ever heard that name before him telling it to me.

• 49:39Mayim Bialik?

  Who was he?

• 49:40Speaker 02

  And come to find out, he was one of the first settlers in, you know, early settlers in Napton, Wyoming. He was like a land surveyor. He was a, a city member. He was a county government member, a state government member. He was also a clergy leader. So he was like a, a high leader within the clergy.

• 50:02Mayim Bialik?

  And who was he in your family?

• 50:04Speaker 02

  And he was my great, great, great grandfather on my grandmother's side. Yeah. So was my grandmother's great, great grandfather. Yeah. And the stories were so prevalently being shared with each other, with her as a girl, that she felt like she knew him. And she even said, I, I, they say I wasn't alive when he was, but I, I swear I remember meeting him. And I'm like, yeah, you did grandma. It was right before you got in that little baby body of yours. And it was just so neat. And as, you know, kismet would set it up for us. It was only three months later.

• 50:47Speaker 02

  We were living with my grandmother, taking care of her at the end of her life. And

• 50:56Speaker 02

  and that was it. I, I, I learned so much about Drake. I learned that he was blessed with a special prayer that said, the important duties he would play in this life. And then on the backside of that prayer was an entire page of all the duties he would have in the afterlife. And that one of his primary duties would be to welcome those who are loved by God, by Source, and family or not, and guide them to where they want to go. It said that in his, in his 1800s prayer.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  Which to me, that was someone channeling. That was summoning, like summoning source through them and bringing it into this prayer for this man. And now I had a whole nother relationship with him. I very much had a love-hate relationship up until that point. And now I was like fanboying all over my great, great, great grandpa. And I was like, "Why didn't you tell me?" And he was like, "You weren't ready yet. You weren't ready yet." And he kept telling me, "I promised you it was gonna get better." And ever since then, anything bad that happens to me, he's always right there, "Vinnie, it's gonna be hard, but it's gonna get better. It's gonna be worth it."

• 52:20Speaker 02

  And he was just saying that to me six weeks ago. I mean, he's a daily part of my existence. He comes forward now when I call him forward. He used to be forward, interacting with me all the time, everywhere I went. I've now kind of like put him on the shelf with many guides. And I utilize them according to what my spiritual team helps me organize in the work that I do with helping others, you know, change their lives and step out of their old paradigms and step out of their trauma cages. Unlock those cages and grow and heal and live beyond our old story

• 53:05Speaker 02

  and learn how to live in a new story. And that's what I do. And I use all of my guides with that.

• 53:12Mayim Bialik?

  How do you get in touch with them? Is it a place you go inside? Is it words? Is it thoughts?

• 53:17Speaker 02

  So it's the you inverse. It's the universe.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  It's the you inside out. So, you know, what we perceive as the universe is just us inside out. As above, so below. And so I tap, I'd tap in, but that ends up tapping me through and out to them. Yeah.

• 53:40Mayim Bialik?

  This is not what you thought your life was gonna be like.

• 53:42Speaker 02

  No. I thought I was gonna be working in film. I mean, I worked on this little movie called Poolhall Junkies. And I got to meet like Christopher Walken and, and Chaz Palmeterry and, and I got to meet like Ricky Schroder, which is from your, your early days, right? And it was so cool. They were, they were like friendly with me. Uh, most of them. One of them wasn't. But, uh, it was a really neat experience and I thought for sure this was gonna be my gig. I was gonna make movies. I, I worked for Touch by an Angel for two years and, and I've now done a

• 54:17Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, the irony there is not lost on any of us.

• 54:20Speaker 02

  But you know what's funny is one of my guides is Delarice.

• 54:23Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 54:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. That gets me every time.

• 54:27Mayim Bialik?

  Wow. You say that you thought back to the darkness in your childhood and there was a lot of it. Fear, pain. I grew up creating an alternate universe in my mind where I was safe. This is something that we have heard from pretty much every individual who has had an NDE. That there was a set of skills acquired.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  They just show up.

• 54:53Mayim Bialik?

  Well, the notion being that there are challenges that allow you to practice.

• 55:00Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 55:01Mayim Bialik?

  Not only leaving your body, but surviving.

• 55:04Speaker 02

  Surviving, yeah.

• 55:05Mayim Bialik?

  The things that forced you out of your body. Talk a little bit about the trauma you experienced, the dissociation you were able to achieve, and how you think that might relate to your NDE.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  So I'll, I'll express one really precious traumatic event for me. I, um, I got my brand new eight dollar boots dirty. And that I was not allowed to do. I was, uh, seven, six or seven years old. And so that meant it was gonna be two to three hours of beatings. And it also meant that I was going to lose chunks of my hair, possibly going to have one of my ears torn. And I knew I was going to be beat. I just didn't know with what. It could have been a stick, could have been the belt buckle of the belt, or just the belt.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  Or I loved Mr. Spoon because he'd make a loud smack, but he didn't hurt. And that was, that was more my mom's instrument than my dad's, but. I knew that here I was from the second I got in the car and my dad saw I had mud on my boots. That, um, that was it. And I had this weird sense that death was around me. Uh, what I didn't know is one week later, that friend that I had been playing with that day died in a camping accident. And I feel like there was a part of my dad's psychic nature that was picking up on that and channeling his anger for me not to follow the rules.

• 56:44Speaker 02

  And, um, so dad just started unleashing on me. He unleashed on me in the van while he's driving. Full fists to the face, to the chest, anywhere he could reach. And if you lunged or flinched, he'd hit you again. So you had to hold still for your punches. And, um, by the time I got home, um, I knew that, that I had just had the appetizer and that this was going to be the meal. And so my dad brought me in. Um, I won't go into all the details. Fast forward 20 minutes later. I'm now in the backyard.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  Chunks of my scalp are torn. I have hair missing out of my head. I've got lashes all over my back. I'm not wearing pants. I'm wearing my whitey tidies.

• 57:39Speaker 02

  And I was tasked with going out back and getting wood out of the wood pile, which we had this big coal bin that was bigger than almost an adult. And then I needed to climb up into that thing, get some wood out, and refill our wood burning fireplaces, which we had two of them in our house. And that was my duty to, to bring justice to getting muddy boots. And while I was out there, I was climbing, I could not, I was so exhausted from all the beating so far. I couldn't climb into this coal bin, so I started stacking pieces of coal that had fallen.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  And I was like teetering on them, trying to lift up this really heavy wood lid. It looks kind of like a lean to garbage can. I was like lifting in this heavy wood lid while I was trying to reach in and get some wood out. And I remember getting like one piece and it was barely starting to come out. And right as that happened, I feel this smack right across my back of my head. And I went rolling onto the concrete. And my dad said, "Not fast enough, are ya?" And he reached into that same coal bin and pulled out a two by four. And he goes, "You know the position." And any abused kid knows the position.

• 59:02Speaker 02

  I went into my position. That means you put your hands on something and you brace because the blows are coming. But I knew that two by four was bigger than my, my elbow, it was bigger than my knee. I was a little, little child at the time. And I knew this is probably gonna be it. So I went to my space. I did.

• 59:27Speaker 02

  And in that space, you have friends, you don't know that they're angels at the time. But I called my friends. I called my friends over and they all came. They're surrounding me. They, and it's weird because when you go into that space, you're now not in your body, you're watching your body, like remotely. And you're surrounded by all these beings that are full of light. And you're like watching the abuse happen to the body. But you're like, "Oh, good." I'm like, it's like you're not feeling that pain. The two by four, as it comes swinging down, full speed.

• 1:00:03Speaker 02

  I watched this white arm clothed in this like kind of different looking print. This white arm reaches out and puts itself right in front of this two by four. And that two by four exploded into hundreds of pieces. And it sounded so loud, it sounded like a bomb, like a, like a little stick of dynamite or an M80 or something. It was so loud, neighbors on both sides, two houses down, went in their backyard to see what that was. And one neighbor, she witnessed this because she was out on her patio.

• 1:00:43Speaker 02

  She heard that crack, looked outside and saw this shattered two by four, sees me laying, you know, in the position and like bleeding and just in my, in my turmoil. And I'm watching it from outside me and I'm like, that was a real superhero. And, and to me, I thought that was Archangel Michael. I always thought that was a Archangel Michael. And, you know, years later, in my healing journey, in me trying to help heal people, I've had to heal me and that's the hardest client I have is me. Way hard client, I want to fire me all the time.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  And in, in trying to heal me, I, I ended up going back and working on this moment. And I brought in Michael because he was the guy who saved me. So I'm like, Kay, Kay, you're my dude, you know, him and Drake and Yeshua and quite a few others, they all hang out with me when I do this work. And I'm like, let's go, let's go to the space, let's do the work, let's do the heavy lifting, let's clean this up and let's move on. It's time to release this and let it go. And.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  I was watching the whole scene play forward. I see my little soul come out. I see all the little lights that come around it. And I see him all watching like giddy. And I'm like, okay, Michael, does it? And I'm like grabbing his arm, like, put your arm out there, do it. And he like looks to me, puts his hand on my chest. He goes, it's not my arm, Vinnie. It's yours. And so I did it. And when I came out of that meditation, I had like serious bruises on that, on my elbow, right there. And so it was like a reminder that this is not just something energetic. This is physical.

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  It is. It's, there's a, there's a co-mingling. There's a quantum weaving between all of this. What we can perceive and what we experience and what we think are all reality.

• 1:03:03Mayim Bialik?

  It's so, it's so powerful. And when I think about then the NDE and what your soul experienced, even before you had an awareness of Drake, right? You were being summoned to this place that so many NDE'ers describe.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:21Mayim Bialik?

  Of, I already know the skill to pull back and not be in that physical space of pain because I can remove myself.

• 1:03:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:32Mayim Bialik?

  And be above it, as it were.

• 1:03:34Speaker 02

  And you know, as an adult, I'm like, oh, I was meditating. It was trauma-induced meditation, but it was still meditation.

• 1:03:41Mayim Bialik?

  Well, it's a dissociative, it's a dissociative skill, right?

• 1:03:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is, yeah.

• 1:03:45Mayim Bialik?

  It's a

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  A coping mechanism.

• 1:03:47Mayim Bialik?

  Correct. But when people talk about, when people like Suzanne Geisman talk about it, right? You're dropping into this space. That's the space where you're receptive to this other wavelength, right?

• 1:03:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Mayim Bialik?

  It's, yeah. I, I don't even know what to say.

• 1:04:01Jonathan Cohen?

  It's, it's an unbelievable and powerful story. I mean, for people who are only listening, you may have heard Archie chime in.

• 1:04:10Speaker 02

  Howling.

• 1:04:11Jonathan Cohen?

  And pets are so aware of the emotional state. Like he came over to be, got up off the bed in the back and came over. Like he could feel the intensity.

• 1:04:21Mayim Bialik?

  He may also need to pee, but I don't know.

• 1:04:23Speaker 02

  Probably.

• 1:04:25Mayim Bialik?

  You know, as we kind of round out our time with you. What is your life like? What's your life like energetically?

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  It's like.

• 1:04:33Mayim Bialik?

  What's your purpose?

• 1:04:35Speaker 02

  It's like, uh, it's like heaven, hell, paradise, and school. It is. Each day a little different. And I don't get squeamish to which day I'm in. I just am coming out of a, a real weird phase with my body that, you know, it's weird, some of the damage that I should have received with that blow randomly. Five weeks ago, I got a fever really bad and all of a sudden I was almost paralyzed. And I'm just coming out of that now. Been walking for four days now.

• 1:05:11Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 1:05:11Speaker 02

  And, um, but putting it to spirit. Medicine wasn't able to help me. We tried every test. They thought I had spinal meningitis at first. They, they tested everything, couldn't find anything wrong. And from pressure in the right area where spirits would tell me to put pressure on my body. I got my body to start functioning again. And I just keep, wherever they say, hey, put pressure right there, I'll do it right away. I've been doing that now for five weeks and, and I'm getting better, like way better now. And the fact that I walked up here is actually one of my miracles I count today. Cause yesterday I couldn't do that incline, honestly.

• 1:05:52Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, we're on a big hill.

• 1:05:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:54Jonathan Cohen?

  It's, it's not an easy walk to get up there.

• 1:05:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:56Mayim Bialik?

  Such is life.

• 1:05:57Speaker 02

  But it wasn't hard. It felt like I almost had my assistance, truly. I'm sure I did. I wasn't looking for it, but I'm sure I did. Yeah.

• 1:06:06Jonathan Cohen?

  If people are listening and they haven't died, um, do you have advice on how they can connect with their guides?

• 1:06:13Speaker 02

  Yes. Um, number one, anyone who's listening to this and you're triggered, move on. I don't share my experience to try to convince anyone of anything. What I do is I share my experience like a PR campaign for heaven and for who we really are. I want to awaken as many of us as possible to know that there's no legion, except for the, the legion of souls.

• 1:06:45Speaker 02

  And that's the true re-legion is the legion of all souls. And that our source is our re-legion. And that that we don't need separations from each other. I share my experience so that we can reconnect, draw together, find solutions and stop focusing so much on the problems. Because being an anti-problem in this universe, it invites more problem. We have to be pro-source. We have to be pro-solution to bring more solutions. And we have to bring love everywhere we go as we do it. And as we do, we can knock that laundry list of problems this earth has until there's none left.

• 1:07:29Speaker 02

  And that will be heaven on earth. And that's coming.

• 1:07:32Jonathan Cohen?

  What do you think about earth right now and what it's going through? Like, what cycle are we in?

• 1:07:37Speaker 02

  She's she's in a shedding phase. So she's in a phase where she has this higher place she's going to go. She also wants to shed those who are not ready to go with her. And so she will shed them in two ways. Shed them through death. Or she'll shed them by off-offloading a piece, a shell of herself, like a like a skin of herself, an energetic skin that's very low vibrational. So that can be the the safety net to capture those who aren't ready to to graduate with her. But she's she's getting ready for graduation. Is it going to happen tomorrow?

• 1:08:20Speaker 02

  No, we've got quite a few years before graduation. But it is it is a time that we all who are alive right now waited to come here now so we could witness. And some of us are some of the last volunteers to come for this transition.

• 1:08:38Jonathan Cohen?

  Do you feel like as it transitions, people are gonna have an easier time connecting with spirit?

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  Way more. They'll want to connect to spirit more than their technology. And in fact, they'll put technology down. And I saw in our distant future that where technology exists, it exists only in community spaces. It does not exist in your own home spaces anymore. And so that when you use it, you go to community space.

• 1:09:04Mayim Bialik?

  That's what it used to be like in the 90s.

• 1:09:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, it did, right? Their library for the computer.

• 1:09:07Mayim Bialik?

  Right, or we would go at UCLA. There was like a place you'd stand in line.

• 1:09:11Jonathan Cohen?

  The computer lab.

• 1:09:12Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, you'd computer way to turn.

• 1:09:13Jonathan Cohen?

  So that it's not infiltrating every part of our existence. Like we go back to some semblance of human interaction. And then when I have to work, you have to work.

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  But in that future timeline, we get to a point where we don't need to use words to communicate again. We had that a long time ago. We lost it.

• 1:09:33Speaker 02

  We also bring back one of the lost 12 tribes who had the power of, you know, levitation or levitation. So like that comes back to us. And that's just one little nugget in the bucket of gold that comes in this transition phase. But it comes with us earning it, though. So we have to prove that we don't have to choose to let our governments be source. We don't. We don't have to engage in what they want. We don't. We can choose to not look, not be distracted, and choose to put our energy in positive places.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  And that moves more positive energy into your world, into your realm.

• 1:10:21Mayim Bialik?

  This is such a powerful conversation. We're so grateful that you shared so intimately.

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  I'm so grateful to be here.

• 1:10:27Mayim Bialik?

  The book is The Light After Death: My Journey to Heaven and Back. Thank you so much. And I wanted to end with a quote that I thought of that's from the Talmud. We've talked about it before. Every blade of grass has an angel that bends over it and whispers, "Grow, grow." And I thought of that when you talked about the grass and just your entire journey and this notion that... Yeah, that everything matters. Everything has its own angel. Even a blade of grass.

• 1:11:00Speaker 02

  If you think of the atom, the first creation, the A-D-A-M, and think of it that all of us carry so many A-T-O-Ms, that we are all the atom. And that every atom has an angel. Every atomic level of us has an angel.

• 1:11:23Mayim Bialik?

  It's beautiful. Vincent Todd Tolman, thank you so, so much.

• 1:11:27Speaker 02

  Thank you for having me. It's been my pleasure.

• 1:11:29Mayim Bialik?

  I got nothing else to say from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.