The Snack: Taylor Frankie Paul, JT’s DUI, and The Devil Wears Target

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we’re talking about: The “It’s Iconic” Tour goes on sale Afroman’s epic court case Justin Timberlake’s DUI footage release Breaking down the Taylor Frankie Paul tape release and Bachelorette season canceled More Mormon Wives tea (Jessi and Jordan restraining order, Mikayla and Jace divorce, Jen Affleck spinoff) Headlines: Target’s shocking Devil Wears Prada merch, airport chaos, Punch the monkey’s alleged girlfriend, pack of dogs break free from trafficking Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to our partners this week: FP Movement: Go to fpmovement.com to shop their full line of activewear and workout gear. NOCD: If you’re struggling with OCD, NOCD can help. Book a free 15-minute call at https://learn.nocd.com/gge. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  This week on the snack, Justin Timberlake's DUI, Taylor Frankie Paul, and the devil wears Target. This is a D and R production. Enjoy.

• 0:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so, Brina, can I tell you what concert is on sale this week? I haven't even told you about this. Cardi B. You're not ready. Cardi B's been on sale. I don't know if you're gonna want to go to this. Probably not. We'll talk about it live on air. I'm in my concert era. Okay, well, then, hear me out. TLC. Okay. And Vogue and Salt and Pepper are touring together. Why are you saying it to me? I know, bitch. How do we get this blessed? It's called the It's Iconic Tour. It is iconic. I know. Where is it? All over in weird places. It's all like major cities, but right outside the city. Like, where is it in LA? Well, it's at the Intuit Dome, so Inglewood, but Camden, New Jersey, not Philly, that kind of vibes, you know? That's so funny. So, I just, like, can't. Wow.

• 1:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Here I go, here I go, here I go. I'm already planning my outfit. Girls' festival weakness. Men! Okay, then, chilling, chilling, minding my business. We're into the whole thing. Uh, I cannot wait. TLC's my favorite girl group band of all time, group of all time. Really? Of all time. They just mean so much to me. More than Destiny's Child.

• 1:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Beyonce, solo. TLC means more to me than Destiny's Child, but I mean, I saw them years ago, the Lovers and Friends Festival was like a religious experience, obviously, R.I.P. Left Eye always, but Salt and Pepper, that's like a shared thing we have, I feel like. And En Vogue. The way I was belting out Salt and Pepper songs, what was that, like, eight? That's crazy. Right, you're like, Cinderella, cut it up one time. And En Vogue, to see En Vogue perform Free Your Mind, Free Your Mind. Wow. Oh, my God, the outfits are gonna be so good. The three of them, like, that concert I just went to, I didn't care about every act so passionately. I care a lot, and I do think it's gonna be more our age, not a lot of those old heads. Okay, no, I think it'll be right our age. Right, 100%. Elder millennials. Yes, and like, young Gen X. The perfect age to be. Yes. Okay, well, I can't wait to go to this. Also, Cardi's on tour.

• 2:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  I told you this year I wanted to go to more concerts and I haven't been, because there's just, I mean, everybody was on tour last year. Yeah, I really want to see Cardi on tour. So this tour, this It's Iconic Tour, a lot of them are outdoor, which I understand, like summer vibes, but I want it inside. I only want to, I only want to go to stuff inside. I like, you know what I like outdoor is more rock. Like when we saw Third Eye Blind, I feel like that's what I want to see in an outdoor amphitheater. Have a picnic too. It's just that kind of vibe. Like I want to see anything rap hip hop inside bass booming. Yeah, I want, I want that for comedy, obviously. And most music. Yeah. Unless I'm trying to like have a picnic outdoors. Yeah, if it's a little bit of a background music vibe, or again, like 90s alternative rock, it feels appropriate.

• 2:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm so excited. Okay. All right. Well, let's take our partners. We have a lot to talk about today. Oh my God, we can't waste time. Okay. Well, thanks to FP Movement. Visit fpmovement.com to shop the full line of activewear and workout gear. And thank you to NoCD. If you're struggling with OCD, book a free 15 minute call to get started at learn.nocd.com/gge. Okay, let's kick it off strong with a police report. Not the one you're thinking. No, like everything is police related today. Everything is like crime, even these dogs. Everything is like related to some sort of police report. Yeah, it's pretty crazy. All right. Well, we're kicking it off with Afro Man, a blast from the past.

• 3:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  He won his lawsuit filed by the cops who raided his home. Yes. So in 2022, in Adams County, Ohio, where all the big crime rings are, the deputies raided Afro Man's house for a drug and kidnapping investigation. You know what this feels like to me is just small town cops being like, let's get the because I got high guy. So if you guys don't remember him.

• 3:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Notorious pothead. Yeah. And so no illegal items were found, no charges were filed. And the footage is insane. Like a bunch of armed tough guy cops, like seven of them acting like SEAL Team Six, breaking down his gate, busting down his door. His wife and his children were there, ages 10 and 12. They went through all of his stuff. They scared his family. He wasn't home. At the time and he claims they oh they unhooked his security cameras and then he claimed they stole $400 that's it in cash.

• 4:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, they took what they took like three grand and they gave it back but 400 was missing.

• 4:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Four thousand dollars. You're right. Sorry. So they're they found $4,000 in cash, I guess. And then they took 400 of it.

• 4:37Rayna Greenberg?

  So embarrassing.

• 4:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  10% off the top.

• 4:38Rayna Greenberg?

  He's fucking embarrassing people. Also, because I got high guy, I mean, they didn't find any weed.

• 4:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  They found some weed.

• 4:45Rayna Greenberg?

  A little bit though, not like intent to distribute.

• 4:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, nothing like a drug ring in his home. And so his response, the most iconic thing is he took the footage of the all the home security footage. I guess they didn't unhook all the cameras. He took them from his home and made like a whole album, basically, but made these videos. One is called Lemon Pound Cake because there's a lemon pound cake sitting on the counter and they like eye it. They like check out that cake like they're about to take a piece of the cake. And then, will you help me repair my door? And they like busted down the door and the the music, the songs are hilarious. I mean, there they sample other songs. And I watched them in videos last night and they look like fucking clowns, like just walking around his house, looking for stuff, going through all his stuff, ransacking his home.

• 5:27Rayna Greenberg?

  So in the videos also, he's naming the cosby names and their wives and saying he fucked their wives. It is so funny.

• 5:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  So these seven clowns, these deputies sue for defamation, claiming humiliation. Obviously, that's the point. Emotional distress and that's damage to their reputations, literally the point. And then just what last week, the verdict of this case, it went to court and it ruled in favor of Afferman agreeing that the videos were protected by free speech and he won his case.

• 5:59Rayna Greenberg?

  So it's really shocking because also they ruled this is clearly satire, that this is public information, that like he's not what is it? The ultimate definition to libel and slander is the truth. And Afferman's like, well, these are your names and you did come into my house. And it is clear that this is satire. So I can say whatever I want about you.

• 6:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, you bust up in someone's house. Like you can put the videos out there. I mean, he's proving that we can't. And I just love the courtroom sketches. So this one went viral. It said the hardest courtroom sketch of all time. And he's in this, what, red, white and blue suit. We'll put it up on the screen. It looked crazy like Afro Man in court. He just flexed the whole time, won the case.

• 6:36Rayna Greenberg?

  You just don't see it. You don't see the police. You don't see the court system siding with a black man against the cops and I love the win.

• 6:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. Yeah. Ohio. I love what's going on in Ohio. Dave Chappelle fucking runs the state.

• 6:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Booking some shows there, some extra shows there.

• 6:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  So

• 6:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, Dave Chappelle, he is pretty much like the mayor of Yellow Springs unofficially. And he says that people come up to him. This is in his stand up, come up to him and talk to him about like the town's issues.

• 7:05Rayna Greenberg?

  He owns the town.

• 7:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So congrats to Afro Man. And next up is Justin Timberlake's DUI, the body cam footage, eight hours in total is released and it's been cut up and it's on the internet.

• 7:21Rayna Greenberg?

  So Justin Timberlake, this is in relation to his DUI from two summers ago in 2024. The cop pulls him over and you guys, you, we knew a little bit about it. The cop didn't know who he was. He says I'm on a world tour and then all the memes.

• 7:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  So this is gonna ruin the tour.

• 7:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Ruin the tour and the world tour. The cop doesn't know who he is. They bring him in, they book him. And it was like a viral story, but it kind of went away. And then I guess they were going to release the body cam footage and he's been in court for weeks fighting this because he says this will ruin his reputation. It'll be really bad if this gets out. I mean, it is stark to him in the car, getting out of the car, the field sobriety test, him in the jail, in the cell. So I understand him being like, this can't get out.

• 7:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  And the reason why it got out, I'm always so interested in this and we'll talk about Taylor Frankie Paul video as well, is that news outlets requested it and then they tried to block it. And then I guess they did, they were able to have a block on it, but then it expired or whatever. Regardless, it's just that news outlets were like, hey, we want that and we know we're allowed to have it legally.

• 8:16Rayna Greenberg?

  All of a sudden though, they were like, we just want to have this like out of nowhere?

• 8:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Just, it was requested and like by law, I guess it's public record and they can request it and get it. And again, he tried his damnedest for it not to be out there. And I think this has brought me back as a fan. This has been doing the opposite of what he thought. I'm, people are eating it up. He seems so nice. He's so polite. He's so funny. Like, you really are watching it and there's all these different moments of him trying to explain to the cop who he is and then he's trying to understand what happened. He's so hammered. He's so drunk.

• 8:56Rayna Greenberg?

  So drunk.

• 8:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  And you expect like a, don't you know who I am?

• 8:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you know I am?

• 9:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Moment from any celebrity.

• 9:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Absolutely.

• 9:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  And it never happens. They, he picks up the paperwork that has all the info on it and he goes, white. Like, that it says he's white. And then he goes, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Like, I, I have, I was such a huge fan of him. And then I really pulled back and it's a lot of things about him just gave me the ick. And when you really think about Janet Jackson and Brittany and all these things, and I just didn't feel like he was a champion for women. And then some of those cringe videos of him dancing, I was like, he's really lost it. And so I really haven't been a fan for years and I feel like I'm a fan again.

• 9:29Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I mean, watching this, you assume at any point when the cop pulls him over, when they take him out for this field sobriety test, when he's sitting in the police station and when they tell him to get in a jail cell and sleep on a bench, at any point, you expect him to be like, don't you know who I am? And getting somebody's, he is so drunk. It's cute. It's, it's kinda cute.

• 9:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  The best video he's put out.

• 9:49Rayna Greenberg?

  They're like, you gotta, they're like, you gotta sleep in this jail cell. He's like, what? But he's so drunk. He's like,

• 9:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 9:55Rayna Greenberg?

  I guess I'm sleeping on this bench. When he's slurring.

• 9:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, the sobriety, the sobriety test, he goes, these are really hard. And they are hard. Can I circle back to something I meant to bring up a couple of weeks ago or last week, speaking of sobriety test? Did you see the video of Em Rada walking in the Gucci show in Milan Fashion Week? I was like, this is me trying to prove I'm not drunk. She is walking in this like 2010 slutty club dress and the walk is the most a field sobriety test I've ever seen. It is so funny.

• 10:26Rayna Greenberg?

  The internet was really divided on this. Some people were like, she made that walk her own. I'm like, she's drunk. She literally looks like, I'm not drunk, you're drunk. Like, that's the energy. So I want to jump in and say that I have been arrested for DUI a very long time ago and I vehemently am opposed to drinking and driving. Like, we're gonna make these jokes.

• 10:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I just always have to get out of the way like it. I want to kind of speak on it from personal experience, but like I am so like, don't drink and drive you guys. You have so many other options. Please don't do it. Anyway, that's my stance on it. But when I saw this clip of the first one of him trying to explain to the cop who he was and the cop really doesn't know at first, like truly like, and I sent this to the group chat and was like, oh my God, new fear unlocked. And Raina says, don't worry, I'm sure the cops wouldn't know who you are either.

• 11:12Rayna Greenberg?

  I said wait.

• 11:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  As in my fear was that I wouldn't be recognized. I was like, no, having my DUI footage released is the fear unlocked Raina like.

• 11:23Rayna Greenberg?

  I actually knew that wasn't what you meant, but I was being silly.

• 11:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it really made me laugh when you said new fear unlocked. I was like, I was like cops are not going to know who we are either. Millennial white men. So the thing.

• 11:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Gen Z white men, excuse me.

• 11:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  The millennials know who we are.

• 11:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  The cops young, he won cop of the year. Remember that last year? That redhead cop won cop of the year. Okay. So I want to speak up where this happened. This happened in Sag Harbor in the Hamptons. He's the only person in the jail. So there are, you know, a variety of experiences you can have getting a DUI. I was arrested in downtown Atlanta. You're in the, you have a jail experience. You are there with tons of other people. It is not pleasant. It is scary and it's not the vibe. Small town. This was.

• 12:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Sag Harbor? There's never, no one's ever been in that jail in the Hamptons?

• 12:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I also got arrested in a small town like that. It's like you're in the principal's office. They let me check my Facebook. They brought me a blanket. I did it to spend the night, but I had like a great time. Like it is such a, when you're the only person, they treat you like that. Like this experience brought back memories of like what it's like to get arrested in a town where you're the only criminal of the night.

• 12:30Rayna Greenberg?

  You never have a crime in the Hamptons. Also, this is a country, Sag Harbor. This is the middle of nowhere. It's a country road. Like it is, there's nobody around. Like the fact that somebody even caught him drinking and driving is wild.

• 12:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was so drunk.

• 12:42Rayna Greenberg?

  And they were probably so excited. Like we have, we finally get to do something.

• 12:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  But it's exactly, you're so right. And they're just excited to have you. There's someone up in the station, you know, like literally, I'm like, he's in the principal's office, like it just in Timberlake. In a downtown city jail, like, what would that have even been like? Like, him with all the dozens, hundreds of other people who got arrested that night? It's crazy to see him be just as a solo act and not in like, what if he was in downtown Atlanta?

• 13:11Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that the vibes would have been different. I think he would have gotten a different body cam video. Cause like, he is just kind of chilling.

• 13:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's chilling.

• 13:17Rayna Greenberg?

  He's, he's, he's not pressed. No one's around to see him like that. Like, I think if like, it was a room full of people, he would have been insisting like, do you know who I am? Get my lawyers, get somebody in here, call my agent, get my managers to get me out of here. Like, he's just, he's all good.

• 13:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's kicking it. The memes of these were so funny. Like, someone was like, if I was that cop, I would have asked him to perform like, three songs and let him free. Which is so funny. Like, just do mirrors and we'll let you go. Hit us with sexy back and we'll send you on our way, like, drunk performing.

• 13:46Rayna Greenberg?

  But the stakes are so low. I mean, he's gonna beat this charge anyways.

• 13:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  But do you agree? Like, I, I, I'm making jokes, but I truly think this is good for his image. Like, he, people have not spoken of him. Like, he's, his popularity has really declined. He, he didn't sell out his last tour, the world tour. Like, I think people are seeing like, this is a good guy. Like, whether you think, no, like, I'm telling you, the way that he treated them and the way he was just so polite. And there were just so many opportunities for him to snap. And yeah, maybe that, maybe he's a nice drunk.

• 14:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Or maybe he's too drunk to just really react, to know what's happening. But, I mean, if you were gonna hate on him for something, you would have done it two years ago for the drunk driving. Now, like, we know about this, so like, the new info is just like, how sweet and cutie he is when he gets arrested.

• 14:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just think this is good for his image. And you know, you know, Justin Timberlake was like, crying in bed about this getting released. Like, this will, this will ruin me.

• 14:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 14:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Do whatever it takes.

• 14:40Rayna Greenberg?

  No one cares.

• 14:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Pay whatever it takes. Like, go full Diddy on these people. Like, don't let this happen. I will do anything. And then it came out and people were like, he's back.

• 14:49Rayna Greenberg?

  There are consequences for men anyways, and he should have known that.

• 14:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, we'll talk about that.

• 14:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 14:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  But before we get into it, we are just going to tell you about our partners. So, I am telling you about NoCD. Rain, as you know, someone recently said I have OCD thinking. A friend of ours was like, I think you have a little bit of OCD thinking.

• 15:06Rayna Greenberg?

  I did have.

• 15:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Cause I like, get on a, I get on a loop. I have a little touch of a few things, but like I will get like obsessive about thoughts and I'm not trying to appropriate anyone's OCD, but it's just like I relate to a lot of these things.

• 15:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I've, I've watched you just, you hyper fixate on something and you can't like stop.

• 15:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, I mean, everyone has doubts or anxieties about their life or their career, their relationship from time to time, but for some people, those doubts and anxieties feel all consuming and impossible to move on from. So especially in relationships, I mean, this is a podcast about dating and relationships. And when you have OCD symptoms in your dating or relationship life, sometimes the need to feel certain about your relationship is so strong that you might do things like create mental lists of your partner's pros and cons while panicking about whether you made the wrong choice, constantly research signs you're with the right person online, talk to your chat bot about it, have a random dream about spending your life with another person and then feel guilty and terrified about what that might mean, or even asking your partner over and over again if they're really happy

• 16:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  with you, even though they already said yes many times. And this isn't that like you're fishing for compliments. It's like you really have these overpowering thoughts and you really feel like you need some sort of answer. So when it comes to relationship OCD, these sorts of thoughts and anxieties might seem like overthinking or commitment issues, but they actually can be signs of relationship OCD. So it's a serious condition where these intrusive thoughts get stuck on repeat and you feel driven to do certain mental or physical behaviors called compulsions to make that anxiety stop. So it can be exhausting, but it is super treatable. It is one of the most treatable mental health conditions when you get the right kind of specialized therapy, which is ERP therapy, exposure and response prevention, which is proven to be the most effective treatment. Regular talk therapy isn't recommended and then it can actually make OCD worse. That is why we want to tell

• 16:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  you about NoCD. NoCD is the world's leading OCD treatment provider and all of their licensed therapists specialize in ERP, which is the exposure and response prevention, which is the most effective treatment. The therapy is 100% virtual. It's covered by insurance for over 138 million Americans and it includes support between sessions. So you never have to face OCD alone. So if you are struggling with OCD or unrelenting intrusive thoughts, NoCD can help. Book a free 15 minute call to get started at learn.noCD.com/gge. That's learn.n-o-c-d.com/gge.

• 17:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. If you guys like my outfit, I'm going to tell you where to get it. FP Movement is a free people's activewear brand designed for all the ways you move, whether you are running, hiking, flowing, training, grabbing a matcha, or maybe recording your podcast. FP Movement expertly blends performance and style. So you never have to choose between the two. I love what they do. I've been shopping these sets for a really long time and Ashley and I both wear them and they're so cute. It's a great way to look put together when you are just, I mean, I don't work out. So just going to the grocery store or running errands or recording the podcast and they have so much to choose from. So they have leggings, sports bras, shorts, outerwear. They have these great sets like what I'm wearing. They have stuff designed for yoga and tennis and hiking. So whatever you're really doing, FP Movement has like a style to match this and they have sweat wicking

• 18:07Rayna Greenberg?

  fabrics, breathable materials. So you can blend performance and style. Everything really moves with you. I like the feel of the fabrics.

• 18:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have those pants. That's what I wore last time.

• 18:14Rayna Greenberg?

  These pants, which I'm, I would love and comes with this top. I have this outfit in four colors.

• 18:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have that top. So I have the pants and I have a long sleeve, but I need to get, I don't know if they sell the red. Can I tell you a really cute thing? This is kind of relevant to the snack. So this went really viral. This girl was on TikTok talking about she went into an athletic wear store that will remain nameless and felt fat shamed and really mistreated by the employees. And like she was like, I knew I was too big to even shop in this store, but I was there for accessories, which is like sad anyway. And she was like really sweet and talking about her experience. First comment, FP Movement, we got you in the TikTok. Like FP, let us know what you need. We want to send you some stuff and we're size inclusive. It was like so, they were the top comment. Some other brands had jumped in too, but I just love seeing them at the top.

• 18:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I saw it too. And also I will say like I, they've photographed different size models in their ads. All this stuff comes in so many colors. You and I also have this set that I love, the crossover hot shot set. And it comes in, I can't, I mean, I'll box this, but like 13 colors.

• 19:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, and like the yellow, like you can do it all every season. Like I love the black, the black and I have the espresso on the way, but I love the yellow and orange and pink. And I mean, that's the best set. So you, people really asked last time. And so please make note, it is the hot shot crossover set that you guys want.

• 19:30Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, that's what you want. And Ashley and I will be doing some Instagram stories in days to come. You can shop our Instagram stories as well. So you guys can visit fpmovement.com to shop the full line of activewear and workout gear.

• 19:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 19:43Rayna Greenberg?

  All right. So truly a story that just kept developing and bombs kept going off last week. Just, this has been nothing. My, my whole feed is this, is Taylor Frankie Paul, the 2023 domestic violence video coming out, and then the cancellation of The Bachelorette. I mean, bombs went off all week last week about this.

• 20:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, you guys probably know, but obviously she is the star of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and she was cast as The Bachelorette, which was crazy, Raina. Like I can't, I, I remember thinking like, this is a wild decision. I couldn't even wrap my head around it. I hadn't watched the show yet. So this franchise, which has notoriously been squeaky clean.

• 20:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Disney show.

• 20:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, Disney owns ABC, like took the craziest risk, like went from zero to 60 with this choice. Like it hasn't been like they've been getting a little edgier over the years. They were always this like wholesome type show. And then they chose this person that has a problematic past that was known. So I just want to give that like backstory of like, yeah, it was always a crazy choice. Like when this happened, I was like, what are you saying? That can't be real.

• 20:50Rayna Greenberg?

  She wasn't cast in spite of this. She was cast for this. I mean, she was cast to reignite The Bachelorette. It was an interesting decision because chaos reality TV is different than The Bachelor. The Bachelor is supposed to be like, you want to root for the person to find love and find healthy connections. And I know a lot of people go on there to like sell sugar bear hair care gummies, but like you do want to root for the person a little bit to like find love and get behind them. And it's, it is sweet and wholesome.

• 21:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I mean, and you know what's crazy? Is that The Bachelorette was on hiatus. They were like, the show's not doing great. Let's hit pause on it. And then they just took such a big swing.

• 21:32Rayna Greenberg?

  They ruined the world tour.

• 21:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Now the show is canceled.

• 21:36Rayna Greenberg?

  So I'm going to give you guys just a brief, I'm going to take you guys back to a brief synopsis of what has happened. So in 2023, The Secret Life of the Mormon Wives, the show comes out, season one. The episode one, season one opens with Taylor Frankie Paul and the body cam footage of the police arresting her. She is hammered drunk. She is incoherent. Dakota looks perfectly fine. And what happened as a result of that is production shuts down for 11 months. She goes to jail for the night. She gets put on probation. She is not allowed to be around alcohol indefinitely. She's still on probation to this day.

• 22:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh.

• 22:08Rayna Greenberg?

  He does not file a restraining order against her. She doesn't file one against him. They are allowed to film. Cameras picked back up 11 months later. She is pregnant with his child. And for the next couple of seasons, she does seem to be like going to therapy.

• 22:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  We said that. A lot of growth.

• 22:22Rayna Greenberg?

  And dealing with this. I will say in the meantime, I mean, she was supposed to do an interview with us and Nick Vile and all these other outlets. And they canceled on us the morning of because of an incident with Dakota. I mean, this has been well documented that these are pretty bad issues. But no one had ever seen any footage of the actual fight. But everybody knew, including the producers and me, I know. Everybody knew that there had been an incident inside the home with furniture being thrown and a child was possibly hit. So everybody knows this. It's in the police report. The cast knows, the producer knows, everybody knows.

• 22:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  And she said, what, that night of the arrest, or has since come out and said that he locked her in the garage? And she was retaliating?

• 23:00Rayna Greenberg?

  So she says this also in the body cam footage. He locked me in the garage. She's incoherent. You kind of can't understand her. But she is alluding to this and he is sitting there very calmly, like she was being crazy in the house. There's a child present, whatever. So cameras picked back up, whatever. Everybody knows about this. This is in the police report. Everyone knows. Season four starts filming and she has been cast as The Bachelorette. And the whole theme of the season, besides dad talk, is Taylor getting ready to go on the show. And she seems deeply unwell this season. I mean, her home is a mess. There's clothing everywhere. She is hysterical. She can't get up off the floor. She's attacking her castmates. She's screaming at everybody. She's sleeping with Dakota. The last episode of the last show, she sleeps with Dakota the night before she's supposed to leave for The Bachelorette. She will not get on the plane the next day. Her cast members have to break into her

• 23:45Rayna Greenberg?

  house to get her up out of bed and she leaves to The Bachelorette. But this is like a deeply unwell person who probably shouldn't have even been on television at this point.

• 23:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent.

• 23:55Rayna Greenberg?

  So this happens, obviously ABC has this footage.

• 23:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  A footage of what?

• 23:59Rayna Greenberg?

  They have footage of the season.

• 24:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of the season, yes, okay, right, exactly.

• 24:03Rayna Greenberg?

  So she films The Bachelorette in November, the season is going forward and then fast forward to February 23rd, 24th, there is an incident between, recently, between her and Dakota. They are both filing restraining orders against each other. Bachelorette's still full steam, but releasing this. And then last week, Sunday night, she goes to the Oscars.

• 24:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and then our episode aired and we were like, what the fuck is gonna happen?

• 24:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Totally.

• 24:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, this is crazy. They're really gonna, like, she's in trouble again.

• 24:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Monday morning, Secret Live shuts down production, the cast won't film with her, something happened again with her in Dakota, there's another situation with them. She's still doing press for The Bachelor. She goes on Good Morning America, she is doing Cali Ripa, they're just like, what? You know that something's coming. The video drops on Thursday morning of the actual incident inside the home and by the afternoon, Bachelor has canceled the season.

• 24:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  It happened so quick. I mean, the video dropped and it's really tough to watch. I mean, she is hitting Dakota and then she throws these stools.

• 25:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Metal stools.

• 25:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Metal stools, like violently and her child is crying. And it's like, oh my god, I mean, you know, shit goes down in people's homes. I'm not condoning any of it, don't get it twisted, violence of any kind. But the kid being present, you're like, oh man, this is, you can hear your child. I mean, it's, it's tough. And, but, and again, I just, we want to tread lightly and I'm not making excuses, but this was years ago and we did know this happened. And then we kind of saw her get help in these things. So it just, you know, that's, that's a part of it too. This didn't happen yesterday. And my first thought was, what in the Steven DeMarco is going on here? This video, Dakota's had

• 25:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  this for years. It's just so, it felt so much like, tell me lies. Like, literally, I have the video that will ruin your life. And I'm waiting to drop it. And that's kind of a fanfiction type take because I don't really think that's what happened. But, you know, that's a fictional show also, Tell Me Lies. But it's like, that was my first thought of like, this guy has been waiting till days before The Bachelor to release the tape.

• 26:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, you and I will get into like, who we think released the tape and why we think it's Dakota and did ABC know about this tape? But it's really, it's a hard watch. I mean, you see this person who is in a fit of rage, just blind rage, cannot even see or think straight. She's chucking metal bar stools at this man. And when you hear her child cry out, like, it's so hard to hear this. And I do wonder if like, her ex-husband had ever seen these videos before. But I was listening to, I want to credit Nick Viall, I listened to his podcast this morning, he had somebody from law enforcement, I think it was like Los Angeles.

• 26:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  She was a former LA District Attorney.

• 26:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, a District Attorney, that's what I thought. And she was trying to sort of explaining the police report, what existed, what didn't exist, and who owned what type of things. So what she was saying was, in the initial arrest report, it said that there was a video and Dakota had shown police officers the video.

• 26:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of course. Like, you know he did. Like, even when you're watching on Mormon Wives, you're like, if he is trying to convince the cops that she threw stools, you go, here's the, he didn't say, I'm gonna hold this for three years until I want to drop it to ruin her life. He was like, here's the video. Like, the video has always been in the mix.

• 27:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes. So he shows police officers the video. So this is, it is on record that a video exists, he recorded her, and that's probably why they let him leave that night. Because it was clear that she was the aggressor from the video.

• 27:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Because you see this big dude and this small woman, and, you know, you would hope that your inclination is to be like, she's not a threat to him, you know, what actually happened here? And so, right, like, how did they confirm that she threw this furniture? Hello, here's the video.

• 27:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. So what happens the next day is she pleads guilty immediately. There is no trial. So there's no evidence entered into, into the court. So the police, the DA, nobody owns this video at this point besides Dakota. So it never went into the possession. It's never entered into evidence.

• 27:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, okay.

• 27:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Because she just pleads guilty right away. And she's put on probation.

• 28:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  And she knows there's a video.

• 28:03Rayna Greenberg?

  She knows there's a video. Yeah. So she's not, I mean, there's no reason to, to say I didn't do this. But that's important because people were saying, who released this video? How did they get ahold of it? So the only people that could have had this video were the district attorney's office, the police and Dakota. And the police and the district attorney's office can't release this because Taylor Frankie Paul could sue the state. Also, there's a minor, so these cases are sealed. So the only person who owned this video and the intellectual property rights to this is Dakota. And TMZ releases this video and they watermark the video on Thursday. And TMZ has been back and forth and they say basically when we watermark a video, it means we have purchased this video from the owner of the video.

• 28:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Yeah.

• 28:41Rayna Greenberg?

  And that also does not mean Dakota sent the video to somebody else. It means the person who filmed the video sold it to us.

• 28:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 28:47Rayna Greenberg?

  So that's the only way they could have had the video is Dakota. And he has not confirmed or denied it, but.

• 28:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. Cause you, like you were saying, we were talking about this yesterday. He, if he didn't give that to TMZ, he would have denied it. He's like, I'm not the villain here.

• 29:00Rayna Greenberg?

  And so it sort of begs the question, did ABC know about this?

• 29:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 29:04Rayna Greenberg?

  And push him to release the video because this season is a disaster. How could you watch her shop for love knowing she went right back, got back together with him?

• 29:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. We've been talking about this and this is really the conclusion that we've both drawn. And you know, when this first happened, my blame for this happening is ABC. You know, you know, we said this on the episode last week, like you knew who you cast, you knew about this case, you know, like, and you cast her anyway. And we think that probably the Bachelorette season wasn't great. And then you're going to see the Mormon wife season and you're like, what the fuck? Like this is a mess. And this is not what the revival of the Bachelorette should be. And we really think that ABC wanted to cancel this. And you know, there's all these memes of like ABC is losing tens of millions of dollars.

• 29:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  A, who cares? And B, they have it to spare. Like we talk about tens of millions. That's their billions and billions of dollars. Like you have really, we have no concept of the type of money that these networks have, Disney has. So yes, I feel for the people who, who worked on it, but they're getting paid. Their work just won't be shown. And the people that put the men that put their lives on hold, whatever. But that was my first thought. I was like, something is really sus for this to happen three days before. And like, I really truly believe ABC was like, we can't air this. And what can we do to get it canceled?

• 30:27Rayna Greenberg?

  So either they pushed him or he knows that.

• 30:32Rayna Greenberg?

  The production has been paused, that there's a lawsuit coming against him from her for a restraining order and he released the video to be like, this is what I'm dealing with.

• 30:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Either way, like, this is really so crazy and sick and it begs the question, like, who is at fault here? And you've seen a lot of people in the last week, I mean, everybody has an opinion and I'm fascinated by all of them. I'm really, like, consuming a lot of content about this. Um, everybody has an opinion about, like, when you are cast on these reality shows, they do pretty extensive background checks, they know if you got a parking ticket. So, like, if it's in the police report that there was a video, I'm assuming ABC was like, we're gonna need to see that video.

• 31:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'll die on that hill that ABC knew everything.

• 31:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Of course.

• 31:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, Manuel Ochoa was talking about when he, what, hosted a reunion once, like, the level of background checks they did on him. Like, that's why I think it was crazy to have cast her.

• 31:22Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I can't believe it. Like, you guys knew about this and I know that this was in the past and she has paid for her sins. I guess, I mean, I'm seeing all kinds of different, like, who's to blame, what's head of the fence you on? And both of them are bad. Her and Dakota are both, this is terrible. What has happened is terrible, it's unbelievable. But she's on probation, she got sober, she is paying for her sins. Like, I don't think we punish people forever for what they've done. But this is too terrible.

• 31:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, to see it. And that's the thing, that's, I feel like that's the overwhelming rhetoric is ABC is canceling this because you saw the video. And, you know, they always knew this was, that was out there, but now that we've seen it, and I, we beg to differ. We think ABC canceled this on purpose. I don't think ABC was like, oh shit, the video's out. Like, we think they were like, put the video out. I really just, I don't know. I don't, I don't think anything is by accident with these big companies. And it's just interesting, I mean, their dynamic, you know, if you've locked me in a garage, if you locked me out of my house, I would blackout, I would go fucking ballistic. I would hope that my kids' cries would bring me back to center.

• 32:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  But like, we don't know the dynamics, the relationship. He always comes across calm and, dare I say, likable. Like, don't you think he doesn't ever really react? Maybe, you've seen it more than me, but I, from my experience watching the show, is always that he's pretty calm and, you know, people are talking about that dynamic as well, but... I don't know, like she put out a statement quick, which I thought was interesting. Basically, like he's been terrorizing me for years and he has pushed me to this point.

• 32:54Rayna Greenberg?

  So a couple of things, there was an interview with Macy a couple of years ago where she sort of echoes this and she says, I like Dakota. And when I'm socializing with him, I know that's not what he's like. I know that behind the scenes, he is abusive and a narcissist and manipulator and a gaslighter. And you know, people are calling this reactive abuse. And if you know about reactive abuse, it is somebody that puts you to the point of your breaking point. And then you have a reaction like Taylor Frankie Paul, but the real aggressor is Dakota, who angled her and is sober, by the way, this entire time. And is really jealous and sleeps with her friends and does terrible things to her.

• 33:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  Of course, yes. And which is abusive to their child too. You know, at the top of all this are the children that are caught in the crossfire. I can't stress it enough. They're, everybody like is at fault when it comes to like kids. This is not them in the home fighting it out, you know, like you should know better and you should know that this relationship is harmful to a child. Obviously, full stop.

• 33:50Rayna Greenberg?

  That's where you can hold fault with her. It's just being like, but you're continuing to immerse your children in this environment. You had a child with this person.

• 33:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Insane.

• 33:59Rayna Greenberg?

  Like at some point you do have to grow up and take responsibility for yourself. And I understand reactive abuse. I was telling you before we started this and you know about this, but my boyfriend, I was 21. I mean, he just needled me and needled me and cheated on me and gaslit me and he was so terrible. And I would be in these fits of rage in front of people and he would, everybody loved him. Everybody thought he was so great. But he, he pushed me to that. I was, I would have like out of body experiences. I'd be so angry. And when I, it was, this was a year when I lived in Pittsburgh in between college and moving to New York. But I, I really had to move to New York to get away from him. Like I always would have moved to New York, but like this was the immediate catalyst in the end there. I mean, it was so bad. I would just, I did things that were so out of character for me because I was being so emotionally abused by this person.

• 34:43Rayna Greenberg?

  And so I understand the explosion. I do, but you do have to like put your big girl pants on, go to therapy, get your children away from this person.

• 34:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Stop drinking, whatever you need to do. So, I mean, where it stands now, I mean, Just at a stalemate. I saw something that said Hulu is going to air the season and that's probably fake news, right? Yeah, Hulu's not airing this. I mean, also, it's all the same company. But I just, I will never get over Disney casting this problematic woman. And, you know, people are talking a lot about if this was a black woman, if this was a man. I mean, if it was a woman of color that had that problematic past and had children with multiple fathers, like she wouldn't have been cast as the Bachelorette. And, you know, I think there's a double standard there. When we talk about men, I mean, I like the TikTok. That's

• 35:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  like, if we're canceling The Bachelorette over this, when are we canceling the NFL season? You know, like, all the men that are real abusers that get to play football and make millions of dollars and be on TV. I mean, the country is run by pedophiles. Like, save the outrage. You know, we can say, yes, Taylor Frankie Paul needs help, and people were at risk, and her children are at risk, and she needs help, and the season should be canceled. But my outrage is for so many other terrible men and like, the things that are happening in this country. So I was telling you, I don't know that I've even seen her being so vilified. Like, she is, but then, people are like, I think a lot of us are in this camp of like,

• 36:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  she's getting more punishment than the people in the Epstein files. You know, like, it's so ass backwards.

• 36:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, men in, yeah, men in the NFL, to your point, everybody who runs the government, I mean, you even look at Colton from The Bachelor, who was stalking his ex. He did not physically attack her, but stalking her, it was well documented, they put him on traitors.

• 36:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally.

• 36:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, she's getting what I think she deserves, which is to not have her season air. And unfortunately, all of this work that you did is not going to air. But like, the other core issue is like, we continue to put these people on television for entertainment. And like, at which point do we stop this? And like, when does Messi become dangerous? And I'm part of this too. This is one of my favorite shows of all time. I mean, they won an Emmy. It's, I love Secret Lives, and it does feel really different. Hearing about what happened and visually seeing what happened. But like, the cast knew that she was unwell. You have all these cast members releasing statements. And I love Miranda, I do. And I love Leila, but they released statements about this. And I'm just like, but you, but you guys knew this.

• 37:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, I know.

• 37:18Rayna Greenberg?

  You filmed with her and you monetized off of her back. And I think you see this forever on reality. You see Jax Taylor being put on television on Vanderpump Rules. And clearly had a drug problem and was clearly emotionally abusive to his wife, if not worse. And we kept propping these people up and putting them on TV. He's having violent fits of rage. And they kept him on The Valley for three seasons.

• 37:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 37:40Rayna Greenberg?

  And that's actually like a dangerous person. I don't think anybody's that scared of Taylor Frankie Paul physically. She's my height. But you know, who is responsible and when? I mean,

• 37:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know.

• 37:51Rayna Greenberg?

  The producers knew about these videos three years ago. It's unbelievable.

• 37:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  So, I mean, this is a, I don't know, is it even a developing story? Yes. I mean, more stuff will come out, but for now, I'm very curious what's going on behind the scenes at The Bachelorette. And then is Mormon Wives done as a show? Right? I mean, this, it has to be, right?

• 38:11Rayna Greenberg?

  They might not. I mean, you know, Taylor Frankie Paul was the breakout star of all this, but a lot of these women have gone on to do really interesting things. And obviously been on Dancing with the Stars and written books. And Jessie has a really successful hair business. And I would watch a show about all these women. I like these women. I enjoy it. Taylor, of course I enjoy her on the show, but like, I still feel like I'm watching a person who's really disturbed.

• 38:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, no, no. You're so right. Like, I'm about halfway through the season. And it's just, I texted you, I was like, this is the scene of her calling Dakota because he slept with somebody and be like, "Did you finish? Did you like it?" She's on the floor of the closet crying. I'm like, this is, I shouldn't be seeing this. I do not like this. This is a person who is unwell. This is too private. And you're like, oh, it gets so much worse. And I'm like, I don't know.

• 38:56Rayna Greenberg?

  He sleeps with a friend of hers and also the person he previously cheated on her with. She is screaming, posting TikToks, calling the other women, screaming at them, going crazy. And then sleeps with them that night, of course. Well, anyways, to put a, put a period on this, I mean, it is just so sad for everybody involved, but mostly the children. And then it's just, it's so awful. So, I don't know. I, I can't see her coming back to the show.

• 39:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she needs to get help.

• 39:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 39:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, let's just go through a few more Mormon wives headlines. The hits just kept coming. I mean, it felt like nonstop.

• 39:27Rayna Greenberg?

  So the day or the day after the video comes out, by the way, the video, Dakota releases this video on their child's birthday, on Evra's birthday.

• 39:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, geez.

• 39:37Rayna Greenberg?

  So that was Thursday, right? And I forget if it was Thursday or Friday. So Jesse and Jordan, I mean, this is a will they, won't they break up for years at this point. So Jordan files for divorce the same day the video drops, which is crazy.

• 39:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and they're saying that she was going to, and there was some stuff happening behind the scenes, and he wanted to beat her to it. But then he has since filed a restraining order.

• 40:02Rayna Greenberg?

  For what?

• 40:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  For what? Scared of Jesse? It doesn't even, it doesn't matter. She's not violent. What is happening? What is the restraining order about?

• 40:11Rayna Greenberg?

  So I wish I had like a legal background, because I wonder if it means that he gets to stay in the house.

• 40:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is it just like for optics?

• 40:18Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I'm, no, I mean, I really wonder if it means, so they, they're gonna get divorced, obviously. If you file a restraining order, I wonder if the co-owner of the home has to stay out of the home. I'd wonder if he's just like, I'm trying to stay in this house.

• 40:30Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't think you'd get that granted. Oh, because this has not been granted, sorry. He just filed it. Okay, right. Anybody can file a restraining order, but you don't, it doesn't always go through. Like, I could have filed it against you, and someone would be like, you can't do that, stupid. She's annoying me.

• 40:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Nobody likes me.

• 40:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Never mind. No, like, in general, you can't just be like, they're annoying me.

• 40:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, you have to prove some kind of harm. But I am wondering if the angling is just so that he could stay in the house, because she has all this money and he does not.

• 40:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. And then Michaela and Jace are splitting up after eight years of marriage.

• 41:04Rayna Greenberg?

  And they have all kinds of intimacy issues, which she has very generously put on camera and talked about her sexual abuse experiences and their lack of intimacy. And, I mean, that guy can't even like look up from the floor. I mean, who would have, I mean, I wouldn't have sex with him.

• 41:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think they gave it their best shot. She went to therapy, she tried all these things. Like, I really think they gave it their best in eight years, and they couldn't work it out.

• 41:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I think so, too. I really like her, I root for her, I think that she- She's been through really a lot. And then I saw a video this morning. She said that she's moving to California.

• 41:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh.

• 41:36Rayna Greenberg?

  So.

• 41:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  I like them here during the season.

• 41:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I do too. So I don't know if that means he's moving with her. I just feel like sometimes on Secret Lives and all these women on Mom Talk, they just, I wish they would just talk to the camera more instead of just like dancing to songs and information. I wish they would just tell you more information.

• 41:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rainie, you get all the information you need from those dancing videos. They're like, I'm moving to California. Jason and I, after eight years.

• 42:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're calling it quits.

• 42:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Five ways to know that you're married in our society.

• 42:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  My gosh.

• 42:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Get ready with me to get divorced.

• 42:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Come with me to my court. Come with me to my court proceedings. Come with me to get custody.

• 42:21Rayna Greenberg?

  George, get ready with me. Get ready with me to file a restraining order against a person that's five feet tall.

• 42:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Justice is like, let's get your extensions ready for the custody battle.

• 42:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  She's like, Taylor, let's get your extensions ready to throw these stools.

• 42:38Rayna Greenberg?

  She's like, so what look are you going for the day that The Bachelor cancels you?

• 42:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  There are some really fucked up videos about throwing stools.

• 42:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I know.

• 42:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, I'm like, should I? People are sending them to me and I'm like, should I laugh at these? Like, I don't know. What did you think I was gonna say? Should I make one?

• 42:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 42:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  No.

• 42:55Rayna Greenberg?

  No, no, no.

• 42:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  My stools are too big. They're too nice.

• 42:58Rayna Greenberg?

  They are too nice.

• 42:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Those are the, those like cheap IKEA stools.

• 43:02Rayna Greenberg?

  Those are, they'll do some damage. It's crazy.

• 43:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  If I tried to throw my stools at Shashank, I couldn't lift those. They're just not, they're big. They have a back.

• 43:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I know. It's too, it's too heavy.

• 43:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  You have the same ones. You just have counter height.

• 43:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 43:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Those, we'll link them. They're amazing.

• 43:13Rayna Greenberg?

  They're great stools.

• 43:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  I've sent that link to a lot of people. I'm gonna put it on my shop mine. Okay. And then they're talking about a spinoff with Jen Affleck. Is that true? I don't know. We'll talk about, I don't know. I don't care.

• 43:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jen's fine, but she's

• 43:25Rayna Greenberg?

  True, I just don't care.

• 43:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm not excited.

• 43:27Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I mean, Jesse at this point is really the only one that I would watch a whole show about.

• 43:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 43:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, but yeah, they're saying there's an OC spinoff. Are there OC Mormons?

• 43:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  What? Oh, it's gonna be a different city?

• 43:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 43:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Secret Lives of OC Mormon Wives?

• 43:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 43:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, God, it's gonna be a whole franchise. Secret Lives of Atlanta Mormon Wives.

• 43:44Rayna Greenberg?

  The spinoff that I want is Miranda and Chase. I am so deep in their videos. Chase makes a video every day about her handing him and how he is still in love with her. It is so funny.

• 43:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's like your dad.

• 43:57Rayna Greenberg?

  My dad and my mom.

• 43:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  So we glossed over this the other week, but basically when I found out, when I was watching at the beginning of the year, when I was accomplishing my New Year's resolution of watching Mormon Wives, I was like trying to figure out people's political affiliations and people were like Chase is really liberal. He's like the least MAGA. He's like anti-MAGA. And so I made this whole video of telling Shashank, like, you're never gonna guess who's like, you know, big news coming out of Mormon Wives years later that Chase is like not MAGA or whatever. And I posted it and Chase responded to it in my DMs. And, cause in the video, Shashank wasn't like fully on board. And he said something like, I haven't quite won him over yet about Shashank. And I was like, neither have I. Like, it was a funny little discourse. Like, he was like, I haven't won your husband over yet. And I'm like, nobody has.

• 44:44Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just me and Ashley.

• 44:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  But yeah, I just love him. And this season, I mean, I was telling you, I'm like, these guys are just grossing me out. They went on one boys' trip and they come back fuck boys. Like, they hung out with Dakota for one weekend and they come back. Like, Macy's husband, he's giving me the ick. Like, he seems like he just, that was his first boys' trip, and he's like, oh, I can kind of act like this. Like, I am repulsed by these men, most of them.

• 45:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll tell you what, they better not air that fucking episode of Vanderpump Villa either.

• 45:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right.

• 45:11Rayna Greenberg?

  You have all this information about how terrible Jordan is, and now Dakota, they're gonna air that?

• 45:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Crazy, I still stand for Zach. How did this happen?

• 45:18Rayna Greenberg?

  No, how did this happen?

• 45:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Never hated someone as much as Zach, season one.

• 45:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know if you remember this, season one, also Winnie's husband, they had like some pretty serious issues. He was on like Grindr, meeting up with men.

• 45:29Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know, but he's had a lot of, he's had a lot of abuse too.

• 45:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, I'm just saying, there was cheating allegations.

• 45:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, yeah, sorry, I know, but it's

• 45:36Rayna Greenberg?

  But now he's like, Winnie's husband is like the most supportive husband, and he's a little magician.

• 45:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh.

• 45:41Rayna Greenberg?

  He's a magician now. He said that's his outlet. He's training Zach on how to also be a stay at home dad. Cause Zach's like, this is tough, man. I have three kids at home. And Whitney's husband's like, you gotta find an outlet, man. Like, for example, I'm doing magic.

• 45:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wasn't Zach supposed to be a lawyer? He just gave it up?

• 45:56Rayna Greenberg?

  He's either a doctor or a lawyer.

• 45:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I like how Zach was like, I went on this trip and I just, I'm so happy this is my life. Like here with you and our family and I just, okay.

• 46:06Rayna Greenberg?

  It's so weird watching Jordan really try to push Mason and Chase and Dakota to sleep with different, he's like, who are you gonna sleep with? I know you guys are to sleep with somebody. It's this weird.

• 46:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't think I've gotten there yet. Have I gotten there yet? I don't know if I've gotten there yet.

• 46:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, it's like the first episode.

• 46:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.

• 46:20Rayna Greenberg?

  He's just talking about them like hooking up with girls. He's trying to push Mason, who's Chase's brother, to like cheat on Leila essentially. I mean, he's so creepy.

• 46:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Ew. Okay. Well, that was the Mormon wise breakdown. We could have gone for three more hours, but we're just gonna get into some headlines and then we will send you guys on your way.

• 46:40Rayna Greenberg?

  All right. So first up, Target has released merch for The Devil Wears Prada. And it is unimaginable. If you told me it was heinous, I still couldn't have imagined something this big. Big clip art of shoes and sayings and eight different fonts on one shirt. I didn't know you could get that many fonts on one shirt.

• 46:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like what in the 2010 shopping is my cardio graphic tee from Walmart is this? Like, I can't believe what I'm seeing. Yes, they just whipped these up in Canva. Like, these are shirts we wore in the 2010s. Like, I have a shirt that says, but first coffee, and I wear it to bed.

• 47:17Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, that's better than some of this. I mean, there are so many fonts. One says, I'm in my Miranda era. The Devil Wears Prada. There's four different fonts. There's a giant lipstick and a giant blush brush. And it's like clip art and stars and sparkles. Who is at Target buying this?

• 47:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is this actually licensed? This cannot be official merch. But you have to. Target would never take that risk.

• 47:43Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, it does say on the actual merch, Devil Wears Prada. Like, you can't use that name.

• 47:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's the opposite of fashion. I also like Target. Target used to partner with Missoni. Target partnered with Proenza Schooler. What is going on at Target?

• 47:57Rayna Greenberg?

  This should be at Walmart. It's crazy. I can't.

• 47:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  And that's an insult to Walmart.

• 48:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Even Walmart might not sell this dog shit.

• 48:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Literally.

• 48:03Rayna Greenberg?

  You're talking about a movie with the greatest fashion, one of the greatest fashion movies in history. It is a montage of amazing fashion at all times. How did they cosign this?

• 48:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  How did, truly, it's the fashion movie.

• 48:17Rayna Greenberg?

  The flesh would melt off of Mariana Prezi's face if she saw these T-shirts.

• 48:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't believe what I'm looking at. So again, make sure to catch this video on YouTube or Spotify. We'll put some of the worst offenders, but the Devil Wears Massimo, I guess.

• 48:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, this is so.

• 48:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  I just cannot.

• 48:36Rayna Greenberg?

  It is the logo. It's the logo from the Devil Wears Prada. I mean, they had to have licensed this, right?

• 48:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  They had to have. I feel like it's a stunt. I feel like it is for this purpose to talk about it. This cannot be what the movie studio allowed.

• 48:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Well, we talked about this last week and here's no surprise, it has continued. Chaos at TSA. I mean, we thought it was bad last week and there has been, that was nothing compared to what is happening this week. I mean, specifically in Atlanta and Houston, New Orleans, airports in the South, four hour wait lines at TSA and.

• 49:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  People are getting there four hours early and they're missing their flight. I mean, sometimes it's like in some of these airports, it's like the limit does not exist. You've got to go 48 hours before and TSA has not been paid for about a month, maybe? I don't want to misquote. And then I just can't even believe, I'm glad I'm still in a world where I, this is not normal to me. Like I feel so much rage about this, but Donald Trump has said that has sent in ICE to 14 airports and probably more as this airs to just stand around. So ICE agents are there unmasked, thank God, and they're just standing around. They don't have a job. Like this incompetent administration, which I do think their goal, and I think it's in

• 49:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Project 2025, is to privatize TSA, which is very scary that ICE agents would be in charge of TSA and it would be like a scary time for all of us. And I do think that's the plan, but they didn't execute this at all. So these ICE agents are in the airport and getting paid, getting paid what, 150K a year to stand around? While TSA agents are working their asses off, understaffed and not being paid. I can't wrap my head around it. They're just standing there, paid, rubbing it in these TSA agents' faces. It's so dark. It's so gross. Like, I can't believe this is happening. Like, you can't pay these people, but you can pay these people to not do it. Like, it's like, to say it-

• 50:34Rayna Greenberg?

  We can pay to fund a war.

• 50:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  We can pay for all of this, you know, and like, the Democrats, all they want to do is like, have some reasonable restrictions on ICE, and that's why all of this is happening. And so, I just can't believe what we're seeing. I don't know how long it's gonna go. And, you know, Delta has restricted the perks for Congress members, which I love. Like, once people really start to experience this hardship themselves, like, that video last week of Nancy Mace cutting the line in the airport, how fucking dare you. So I guess people in Congress used to be able to cut the line like that, and Delta is like, no more. Yeah.

• 51:11Rayna Greenberg?

  It just, it feels really heavy and dark, and I try to not lean into this stuff, and I try to just like, be excited about my tour and what you and I have going on. And I have to be at the airport a lot this week. I've been in Texas a lot this week. I'm going to Dallas, Austin, Houston. I have to go to Houston. I genuinely don't know how I'm gonna get out of Houston. Like, I have considered, and I never would because of this, but I've considered moving the show. Like, I feel so bad that our girls, like, buy tickets and travel for this stuff, and that, like, people can't go to things they've paid for. They can't go to weddings, they can't go to funerals. Like, these planes are empty. And then once, I mean, it scares me to fly. Like, I don't want to be so alarmist, but like, I'm afraid to be at airports and on planes.

• 51:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I mean, this pilot and copilot just died at LaGuardia. They, because of a mistake from an air traffic controller, and has always been one of the most stressful jobs. And they've cut back on them too, and they're underpaid and underfunded. And so, this happened last year, the beginning of the year. I was like, really terrified to fly because of this. And, you know, especially coming from, like, my dad is a pilot, my uncle's a pilot, my other uncle's a pilot. Like, I've always known my whole life of like, how important it is to get these things right. Obviously, people's lives are on the line. And so, I just think about the air traffic All the time. And now I think about this, these TSA agents all the time, like they dedicate their, I feel like emotional, they dedicate their lives to our safety and they are being so abused.

• 52:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Like I have been at the airport a lot recently and I've been like thanking every TSA agent, every security guard and I can't believe they have to do this and deal with this and everyone's pissed and everyone's in a bad mood and it just, it looks like it's their fault. It's so not their fault.

• 52:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  No one knows it's not, yeah.

• 52:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Like everyone is so mad by the time they get to security and they're missing their flights and everyone's screaming at all these agents and I just, you know, I want to encourage you if you're at an airport to just thank these people because it's, it's so unimaginable and I don't, I just, I can't, I feel really sick about having to travel this week and I would never take a show away from our audience because of this, but my God, it's like really dark.

• 53:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then the fucking Gestapo was running around the airport in the food court with nothing to fucking do, making a hundred thousand, a hundred fifty thousand dollars a year. I feel sick about it, but yes, you guys just be safe and try to be as kind and patient as you can. We know you guys are wonderful and lovely and we know that you already are, but just, you know, be safe out there and plan ahead and, you know, hopefully this will come to an end. And, you know, Raina mentioned the war and I know some of you guys want us to speak on this. I know, I feel like I'm just a little bit out of my league. I mean, my, my true belief is Donald Trump just has always wanted to just ruin the country, any distraction away from all the other things and just really tear everything down. It's really bleak and like no one wanted this and it's so gross and I just, I cannot believe that like everyone has not turned on him and can't fucking get him out of office. Like

• 53:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  I feel so angry at all of these Republicans in Congress. Like if we could all just band together, we could fucking fix this and they won't and they know it's wrong and it's just sick. So, you know, Punch the Monkey may have a girlfriend.

• 54:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I am just, thank God. Thank God for Punch. Seriously, I'm watching him, watching him with friends and a girlfriend. It's the joy I need in my life. I am still just as hung up on Punch as I was weeks ago.

• 54:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  So Kate Steinberg and Chad, her husband, we've had him on the show and she's an influencer and she's so wonderful. They went to Japan to see Punch. They love Japan. They wanted to go anyway, but. They went and saw Punch on the way in and on the way out. They were in Japan for like two weeks and they went to saw Punch right when they got there. They're the first people in line at the zoo. And then they were like, let's go see him again before we leave and they were able to see him both times. And when they posted when they were leaving, I think that might've been at the beginning of this new relationship. So it's not confirmed. The romance rumors are not yet confirmed, but it appears that Punch is snuggling up with a lady.

• 54:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Has found love.

• 54:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 54:55Rayna Greenberg?

  And also just has found love in the other monkeys and he has like little friends he's playing with. And I just, I'm so happy. He's like getting happier.

• 55:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Have you seen people say like they feel bad for the stuffed animal? Like the stuffed animals just like left behind.

• 55:09Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay. Can I ask you a question? Do you think that they swapped the stuffed animals with new animals?

• 55:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like it gets too dirty?

• 55:14Rayna Greenberg?

  It's so dirty.

• 55:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  I wonder, yeah, the original one, if that's the case, should be in a museum. I mean, it should be on eBay for eight million dollars. You know, we could crowdfund it. We could get it.

• 55:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Imagine what that smells like.

• 55:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Stop. Okay. And speaking of animals, this is just my absolute favorite story right now. So we wanted to end with this. This pack of stolen dogs for the meat trade in China.

• 55:39Rayna Greenberg?

  Seven dogs.

• 55:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Seven dogs from different owners. So they're all from the same community, I think, were taken from their homes. I guess, I don't know all of, no one knows like all of the actual like details and logistics, but they escaped. They traveled together in a pack 10 miles back. They've all been reunited with their owners. A corgi led the charge. Raina, like I feel like this isn't real. Like if, I want it to be real so bad. I feel like this is Disney testing something. Like I feel like this, how can this be real?

• 56:13Rayna Greenberg?

  How can this be more than a mile? Like.

• 56:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, I mean, you hear crazy stories about dogs going back to their owners and traveling this long, but.

• 56:20Rayna Greenberg?

  10 miles is crazy.

• 56:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  My heart can't handle this story.

• 56:24Rayna Greenberg?

  That's like here, like to like East Hollywood.

• 56:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  And they just found their way back and they all banded together. And at one point, I think there was a German shepherd that got injured and they all rallied around him and they had drone footage and people, this is on the highway. So people were seeing this and people tried to help guide them, but they were like, no, we got this. Like they found their way back. And there's definitely some fanfiction on this one. Like, people were like, here's how they escaped from the cages. And like, no one knows. No one has a skate video. Like, no one has video of them getting out of the truck, or whatever the fuck. But they did get out, and these dogs were taken from their owners, and they've been reunited with their owners. Like, real-life Homeward Bound. Like, this is the real SEAL Team Six. You know, these dogs really fucking did that. Like, I can't

• 57:07Rayna Greenberg?

  They knew we needed it.

• 57:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  I can't believe it. Like, stories about dogs, like, finding their way back home, or saving their owners' lives and stuff, my heart literally cannot handle it. And I really, there's all this footage. Yes, this is real. But part of me is just like, how could this happen? This is like, too heartwarming, like, too pure, like, too special, and needs to be a movie. Life imitates art. Like, this really is, feels like something out of a Disney movie.

• 57:34Rayna Greenberg?

  They're saying, like, what are they gonna replace The Bachelor with?

• 57:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  Maybe this.

• 57:38Rayna Greenberg?

  Can I tell you? What's gonna go in that time slot?

• 57:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Can I tell you, the corgi leading the charge is so you.

• 57:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, I would watch, I would watch a corgi walk for 10 miles. The way that, like, we would watch a couple fight for like, 18 blocks.

• 57:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, it's so you. Like, it's the shortest, smallest, like, most squat. Like, there's German Shepherds, and Labs, and Golden Retrievers, and the corgi's like, follow me, y'all. Just, like, can you believe? I mean, they're like

• 58:03Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, watch me.

• 58:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  They're a herding breed, so, I was thinking about this, like

• 58:07Rayna Greenberg?

  If you were gonna watch a dog, a specific dog walk for 10, it is a corgi.

• 58:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I wanna be behind a corgi. I'd love to watch him walk away. Hate to see him leave, but love to watch him walk away. I was thinking, Dewey would lead this pack, 100%.

• 58:19Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, yeah.

• 58:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Azul would be in the back, like, I'm so scared.

• 58:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Just a collie-looking dog. Azul is not trying to, he's not trying to ruffle anybody's feathers, but he goes along with the group in a nice way.

• 58:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  He was just so, he just had so much hate in his heart. Like, he really, he was, he was such a leader. Like, he was so territorial. Like, he was just, you know, so protective of me. Like, Dewey getting back to me, 10 miles, 20 miles, 50 miles, across the country, he would've found his way back to me. I mean, that dog. So, I just, I love this so much. I just wanna cry about it. So, that was just the, really sweeping the internet, and like, the good, heartwarming story we need with all this darkness in the world.

• 58:55Rayna Greenberg?

  I know. Well, if you guys are stuck in Houston, you could come see me on Sunday.

• 58:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  You should, you should bark at the airport.

• 59:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Free comedy show, free comedy show. Hand out flyers.

• 59:08Rayna Greenberg?

  I paid my opener to go to the airport. What's he doing? Fuck is he doing?

• 59:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  You need to pay him to go bark at the airport.

• 59:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Hand out flyers.

• 59:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Comedy show, comedy show tonight. Everyone who come to a comedy show.

• 59:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I paid him so much to be there. He should have to go to the airport and do that.

• 59:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, not to, you know, capitalize on a tragedy, but that would be funny. It would be a funny stunt for you to go to the people waiting in six hour lines.

• 59:32Rayna Greenberg?

  You guys want to see a comedy show tonight?

• 59:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  You could probably add a second show.

• 59:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I love this idea.

• 59:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, and give people a discount. How long did you wait in line? You get a discount?

• 59:39Rayna Greenberg?

  You get a one minute discount. Well, I gotta do like a one penny discount.

• 59:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  Five dollars off for every hour.

• 59:44Rayna Greenberg?

  I like that idea.

• 59:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 59:46Rayna Greenberg?

  And, you know, there's tickets available and I would love to have you guys there. And we can talk shit on the TSA. I won't even do my material.

• 59:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hell, yeah.

• 59:52Rayna Greenberg?

  Do you think that I can do like Donald Trump material in Texas? Do you think it's gonna go over well?

• 59:56Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, we've always felt like that. Like, oh, right. I think I went the hardest on, I can't remember exactly what I said. I went really hard on Trump in Dallas one year. Like, they went crazy. Like, they are the people I feel like that appreciate it the most. Because the people that come to our shows are liberal people in a, like, blue people in a red state.

• 1:00:17Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I've been doing this joke on stage, like, there's no Republicans in this room, obviously. So, yeah, I like it.

• 1:00:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  I have that one joke and I was always wondering how it was gonna go. Like, when I say in Florida, I kind of turn to the back of the stage. Like, I don't know how people are gonna react. Like, you know, my, like, Republican friends joke, you know, because it hits everywhere and I say it like, huh, under my breath. That's what I'm like, in Florida.

• 1:00:37Rayna Greenberg?

  You never know.

• 1:00:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  You never know. No, but, well, yeah, that lady walked out. Middle finger in the air.

• 1:00:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, but every time you do that joke about her walking out, it makes me laugh. The whole audience is in their mind.

• 1:00:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Fucking blessing. Maybe someone will walk out.

• 1:00:49Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, God, I hope so.

• 1:00:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, that's your snack, you guys. GirlsGottaEat.com. We cannot wait to see you at our show here in LA on May 7th for the Netflix is a Joke Festival. GirlsGottaEat.com to get those tickets. We are GirlsGottaEat Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I am Ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok. Reina is Reina.Greenberg and ReinaGreenberg.com for her tickets or just catch her at the Houston Airport if you guys are waiting in line. And you can watch full video on Spotify and YouTube. Subscribe, share this episode with a friend, leave a comment or a review and we will see you Monday.

• 1:01:24Rayna Greenberg?

  Have a great weekend, guys.

• 1:01:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bye.

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