Ep. 786: Murder Mystery, Raghorn Bulls, and Impaled Ligaments | MeatEater Radio Live!

Hosts Randall Williams, Seth Morris, and Cory Calkins catch up with our friend Jordan Sillars about his new podcast, Blood Trails, play another round of Fake News, interview hunter Lauren Dolcater about a unique request she made to First Lite customer service, and share some old photos in Throwback Thursday. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Subscribe to The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:44Speaker 03

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to MeatEater Trivia. MeatEater Podcast.

• 2:06Speaker 04

  Welcome to Meat Eater Radio Live. It's 11 a.m. Mountain Time. That's 7 a.m. for our new friends in Tahiti on Thursday, October 30th, and we are live from Meat Eater HQ in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host, Randall Williams, joined today by my very close friends and colleagues Seth Morris and Cory Calkins.

• 2:28Speaker 05

  Happy to be here.

• 2:30Speaker 06

  Great to see you again, Randall.

• 2:31Speaker 04

  On today's show, we'll interview Jordan Sillars, host of the Blood Trails Podcast, which officially drops today. That's correct?

• 2:40Speaker 06

  Spooky.

• 2:40Speaker 04

  We'll play a little game called Fake News. We'll interview Lauren Dolcater, who submitted one of the most unusual customer service requests in the history of First Light. And finally, we'll look back at the good old days in another installment of Throwback Thursday. Then here I write, "Did we have any plugs?" And then below that, Corey has added, "Season 13 of Meat Eater keeps rolling on with the second episode, which dropped a few days ago, Steve's Montana muzzleloader mule deer hunt. Next Monday is Steve and Evan Felker's Alaska black bear hunt." And we also just dropped a thrilling Ryan Callahan deer and elk combo hunt that is sure to please viewers.

• 3:25Speaker 06

  Well said.

• 3:25Speaker 04

  That was a nice touch.

• 3:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, there you go.

• 3:27Speaker 04

  Boys, how are we doing today?

• 3:29Speaker 05

  Oh, we're good.

• 3:30Speaker 04

  It's a good, good week in Montana.

• 3:31Speaker 05

  It's hunting season.

• 3:32Speaker 06

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:33Speaker 04

  Oh, my goodness.

• 3:33Speaker 06

  Fall is in the air, deep.

• 3:35Speaker 04

  Fall's in the air, but

• 3:36Speaker 06

  We're choking on it.

• 3:37Speaker 04

  Some of us have already closed the book.

• 3:40Speaker 05

  Some of us had a short elk season.

• 3:42Speaker 04

  On the chapter of our hunting season, so. Corey, how was your weekend?

• 3:46Speaker 06

  Oh, it was fantastic. Got into a bunch of elk.

• 3:49Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 3:49Speaker 06

  With more elk than people, which is usually my goal.

• 3:52Speaker 04

  Tell me more.

• 3:53Speaker 06

  On opener.

• 3:54Speaker 04

  Like, did he?

• 3:54Speaker 05

  That's a win right there.

• 3:55Speaker 06

  Yeah, agreed. Because, man, I've had some openers where I see a pile of people and zero elk, or, you know, more people than elk. But, so, yeah, had a good plan rolling into opening morning and, uh... Didn't get it done, watched a few elk fall from other groups of hunters, but uh, Saturday was tough for us. The weather was just windy as get out.

• 4:15Speaker 04

  Geez.

• 4:15Speaker 06

  We joked multiple times we should have just brought a flag, or a, excuse me, a kite with us. A flag too, to wave up on the side of the mountain.

• 4:22Speaker 04

  You could have also stuffed uh, your backpack full of elk meat so that it catches a lot of wind and spins you around as you walk down the mountain.

• 4:30Speaker 06

  I like, I could have used some weight.

• 4:31Speaker 04

  That was my innovation.

• 4:32Speaker 06

  A little added weight would have kept it upright.

• 4:33Speaker 04

  It actually makes you very unstable.

• 4:36Speaker 06

  But Sunday, I helped a buddy get a nice bull, uh, which was fantastic. Um, not too bad of a pack out, beautiful day on Sunday. And uh,

• 4:46Speaker 04

  It's gorgeous.

• 4:47Speaker 06

  Yeah. I'm still hunting myself though. I'm, I'm a little picky still. We got a long season and I, something about having a tag, deer and elk tags in your pocket in late November.

• 4:58Speaker 05

  Oh, it's a beautiful thing.

• 4:59Speaker 04

  I'll trade you my deer tag for your elk tag.

• 5:02Speaker 06

  Not even, not a chance, man.

• 5:03Speaker 05

  That's how it works.

• 5:04Speaker 06

  No, sure. I don't even think about deer till my elk's down.

• 5:08Speaker 04

  Seth, I'd trade you my deer tag for your elk tag, but that thing ain't good no more.

• 5:12Speaker 05

  That's right, brother.

• 5:15Speaker 05

  God, you guys are insufferable.

• 5:18Speaker 04

  We're getting so good at this.

• 5:19Speaker 06

  Shut the hell up.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  We're getting so good at this.

• 5:22Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, opener was a good one for me.

• 5:25Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 5:26Speaker 05

  And you?

• 5:26Speaker 04

  Tell me more.

• 5:28Speaker 05

  Uh, well.

• 5:29Speaker 04

  And then I'll tell you more.

• 5:30Speaker 05

  I saw more people than elk by far.

• 5:34Speaker 06

  Darn it.

• 5:35Speaker 05

  Um, which you know, that's how it goes around here, but you know, one thing I like about the opener is all the people just get the elk moving around.

• 5:42Speaker 04

  Stuff's happening.

• 5:43Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:44Speaker 06

  Yep, heavy butt on that story.

• 5:45Speaker 05

  I just feel like I'm always in it.

• 5:47Speaker 04

  It's never a quiet day.

• 5:48Speaker 05

  Yeah. No matter how many people around, you just feel like anything could happen at any moment and that's what I experienced. Um, saw a lot of dudes in openings, open areas, every open area that I glassed, every ridge had orange on it. So I was like, you know what? I bet the boys aren't in the timber sneaking around, you know?

• 6:05Speaker 04

  You bet they, oh, the boys being the people?

• 6:07Speaker 05

  The people, yeah.

• 6:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, I thought by the boys you meant the elk and in fact you were thinking the opposite, that the boys would be in the timber.

• 6:13Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 6:14Speaker 04

  Sneaking around if they were the elk were the boys.

• 6:16Speaker 05

  Exactly. That's not confusing at all.

• 6:18Speaker 04

  Not at all.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  Um, so yeah, I, I started doing some timber sneaking and, and just bumped into some bulls and.

• 6:24Speaker 04

  And I'd like.

• 6:25Speaker 05

  Got one of them.

• 6:25Speaker 04

  I'd like to put it on the record that when Seth talks about elk hunting and he visualizes how he'd like his elk season to turn out. He often describes sneaking through the timber and shooting a bullet close range. So when you texted me that.

• 6:39Speaker 05

  That stuff.

• 6:40Speaker 04

  Oh, I was delighted for you.

• 6:42Speaker 05

  Yes, it was, it was exactly how I wanted it to go down, really. So.

• 6:47Speaker 04

  Happy for you.

• 6:48Speaker 05

  And you know, I, I lucked out and had a very short pack out.

• 6:52Speaker 04

  That's great.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  Which never happens.

• 6:54Speaker 04

  That's great. And now. You have elk in the freezer.

• 6:58Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:58Speaker 04

  For your growing family.

• 7:00Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 7:00Speaker 04

  Beautiful. What's your son's, oh, fuck, did I blow it?

• 7:05Speaker 05

  No, it's, it's announced. We got one on the way.

• 7:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:07Speaker 05

  Yeah. The blood rushes from Randall's face. This is live Randall.

• 7:13Speaker 04

  He's gonna, yeah, yeah. Let's go back and cut that. And if we could trim that out for the YouTube audience, that would be fantastic.

• 7:21Speaker 05

  Done.

• 7:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, I mean, you're gonna feed that animal to your own blood.

• 7:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, which is cool to think about.

• 7:30Speaker 04

  Beautiful.

• 7:30Speaker 06

  Yeah, get ready to throw that meat in a blender.

• 7:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  A strong, handsome young Morris.

• 7:35Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 7:36Speaker 06

  Little meat smoothies for the young ones.

• 7:37Speaker 05

  That's right. What's your, your story now? Well, actually Spencer, Spencer Newharth is in the chat, which we all love. Uh, he says now Seth has to get back at Randall by telling a secret about him.

• 7:47Speaker 06

  Ooh, secrets, secrets are no fun unless you tell everyone.

• 7:51Speaker 04

  Secrets do I have?

• 7:53Speaker 05

  All the secrets I know about Randall would put him in jail, so.

• 7:56Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:58Speaker 04

  Let's avoid those.

• 7:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:01Speaker 04

  Thanks for asking about my elk hunt.

• 8:03Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 8:04Speaker 04

  Uh, it's great opening morning. As with a close buddy, we packed in day before opener, set up a nice little camp. Spent a good long time. Actually, I haven't told you this part of my story. Spent a good long time pumping water. And uh, filling up our water bladders and uh, my buddy bent down to re-rig the filter. And uh, his can of bear spray hooked on something.

• 8:28Speaker 05

  Oh, you did tell me about this.

• 8:30Speaker 04

  And so.

• 8:30Speaker 06

  Heard.

• 8:31Speaker 05

  This is great.

• 8:32Speaker 04

  I'm standing like five feet away and he's bent over and I just hear this, sorry to the listeners.

• 8:38Speaker 04

  And I thought it was a bear. I mean, they should really look into making bear spray. Deployments not sound like bears because at first I thought it was just a bear huffing.

• 8:48Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 8:49Speaker 04

  And then I realized he just fired off, you know, a one second burst of bear spray. And I immediately thought we were gonna have to evac, as they say. Uh, thankfully it just went straight into his backpack.

• 9:02Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 9:02Speaker 04

  And uh, once we realized we didn't have any on our hands or faces, we scrubbed his backpack with snow and to be honest. A bear could probably smell it, but we couldn't.

• 9:12Speaker 06

  Interesting.

• 9:13Speaker 04

  So uh.

• 9:14Speaker 05

  That's great.

• 9:15Speaker 04

  Yeah. Then uh, spotted some elk, then Saturday morning is the opener. Didn't see any folks, saw a lot of elk. And they moved onto public land, which is where we had permission to hunt. And uh, got to uh, a couple of bulls, a couple of smaller bulls sneaked across the property line there and uh, I had an opportunity for a shot with my rifle. And I placed the bullet accurately. And uh, tremendous damage. Elk went down quickly and then we packed it out and we were back sleeping in. Well, we were sleeping in separate beds, but we were sleeping in bed at my house that night. Uh.

• 9:54Speaker 06

  Lovely.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Each, each with, I had two dogs, he had one.

• 9:58Speaker 05

  What time of morning did you shoot that bull?

• 10:00Speaker 04

  Uh, late morning, like around 10:30.

• 10:05Speaker 05

  Hmm. Mine was 9:30.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  Hmm. And it's odd because we killed the exact same bull.

• 10:12Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 10:13Speaker 04

  Uh, so at some point, we're gonna have to bring our bulls together and try to decide. If a man could tell the difference between the two because they're remarkably similar.

• 10:22Speaker 05

  They are remarkably remarkably similar.

• 10:24Speaker 06

  Yeah, the bull we killed was at high noon day after.

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Really?

• 10:27Speaker 06

  Yeah, never give up throughout the day.

• 10:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:29Speaker 06

  High noon.

• 10:30Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:31Speaker 06

  He's out wandering around.

• 10:32Speaker 04

  It is, it is funny. I've killed some things by just thinking to myself, well, I'm not gonna kill anything if I go home now. And then it happens.

• 10:41Speaker 05

  What, what was that bull? Was that a five by five?

• 10:43Speaker 06

  It was, yep.

• 10:44Speaker 05

  Ten, just a, just a, just three ten pointers, you know?

• 10:47Speaker 06

  Not sure what that means. Yeah, five by five.

• 10:49Speaker 04

  That's thirty points altogether.

• 10:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:52Speaker 04

  Great work.

• 10:54Speaker 06

  Congrats, fellas.

• 10:54Speaker 04

  Joining us on the line first is friend of the program, media or managing editor, Jordan Sillars. His new podcast, Blood Trails. Is officially out as of today, Thursday, October thirtieth. So go subscribe and check it out. Jordan, welcome to the show.

• 11:12Speaker 07

  Hey, good to be here.

• 11:14Speaker 04

  You just, uh, you just had a successful hunt of your own, if I, uh, recall correctly from the gram.

• 11:20Speaker 07

  I did. Yes. Yeah, I got to go out to Colorado, um, and get, uh, mule deer.

• 11:26Speaker 04

  Very nice.

• 11:26Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 11:27Speaker 07

  Tons of fun.

• 11:28Speaker 04

  Is that a first mule deer as a Texan?

• 11:31Speaker 07

  It is. Yes. First mule deer as a Texan. Um, so you know, not, nothing huge, but, uh, three by three. I was very happy with.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  Very cool.

• 11:39Speaker 07

  And, uh, yeah, the good end to about five or six days of hunting.

• 11:43Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 11:43Speaker 07

  Very cool.

• 11:44Speaker 05

  Cool. Way to go. Congrats.

• 11:46Speaker 04

  Jordan.

• 11:46Speaker 07

  Thank you.

• 11:47Speaker 04

  The first episode of Blood Trails comes out today and it involves the disappearance of a hunter named Bob Christian. Can you tell us a little bit about the facts of the case?

• 11:57Speaker 07

  Yes. So Bob Christian was an eighteen year old kid. Uh, he's a college freshman. He lived in Madison, Wisconsin. And he had a, a plan to go, um, hunting on the opening day of archery season. And this was all the way back in nineteen seventy seven. So he was, you know, one of, one of the, the earlier, um, people to, to really get into archery. Um, archery hunting, uh, whitetail.

• 12:23Speaker 07

  And so he, the, the plan was there, he was gonna drive up to his buddy's house in Baraboo, which is about a 45 minute drive from where he lived. They were gonna, he was gonna spend the night at his friend's house on Friday. They were gonna get up early on Saturday and go hunting. But Bob was supposed to be at his friend's house around 6:00 PM for dinner, but he never showed up. And this was obviously before cell phones, so they couldn't just call him. And so they waited and waited and waited. He didn't show up all, you know, all that Friday night. They went out looking for him and they found the car he was driving in a kind of a remote area that was actually an area that he, he had experience hunting

• 13:05Speaker 07

  in, but that's not the area that they had planned to hunt. And the, the weird thing about this is the car was found, but all of its wheels and tires had been removed. I think the battery had been removed, a few other things. And so they found the car, they looked inside, Bob wasn't in there. All of his archery stuff was gone, all of his hunting gear was gone. I think there was a Letterman jacket that he owned was, was still in there, but there was no sign of him. So they searched the area for, for several days, still couldn't find him. And to this day, no one knows what happened to him. And there were a few kind of weird things they found out throughout the investigation.

• 13:48Speaker 07

  A few people saw the car that Friday night driving around. It's unclear if Bob was the one driving it. And to this day, no one quite knows what happened. So that's, that's the first episode of Blood Trails. It's out now, it's on Spotify, you know, anywhere you get your podcasts. So you can go, go check that out.

• 14:09Speaker 04

  So how did you first learn about Bob's story? It's a, it's a 50 year old cold case, and I don't think anyone here who's on our radar, how did you find out about this?

• 14:21Speaker 07

  Yeah, so I found out about this because the detective who's currently in charge of the case for the Sauk County Sheriff's Office, he reached out to me. We put out that first kind of pilot episode of Blood Trails back in March, and he heard about it, and he reached out and said, you know, "I'm working on this cold case. It's about a hunter. I think it's something that you guys could cover on Blood Trails." And he's really been pushing to get, you know, more people to get the word out about the case, because at this point, there isn't a whole lot of physical evidence that's available, and so it really will come down to someone coming forward who knows something, and so he's trying to get the word out.

• 15:01Speaker 04

  Hmm. So I assume you have included that investigator in your reporting. Who else did you speak to while researching this case?

• 15:12Speaker 07

  Yeah, so I talked to the detective, Tyler Pointon, and then he connected me with Bob's sister, and then also with that friend that he was supposed to meet. And so for this episode, you know, I talked with really the people who have the most knowledge about this case, who are still alive. Bob's parents have passed away, but I was able to talk with his sister, and then his friend. So, and they were very kind. You know, it's one of those things that is difficult for them to talk about, but they want to know what happened to their brother and to their friend, and so they were willing to talk with me.

• 15:49Speaker 04

  Hmm. What drew you to the story? I mean, obviously, there's a lot of cases like this. Is there anything in particular that grabbed your attention when you heard about it?

• 16:02Speaker 07

  I mean, there's, with this particular story, there are some very strange details that are really kind of inexplicable. One of the people who saw Bob's car saw it, it was, it had pulled up the driveway of a cabin where a nun lived, and she talked with the person driving the car, and he said, "I'm looking for my friend Bob." But the description she gave of of this person driving Bob's car looked a lot like Bob. And so that's difficult to explain. There's also a potential connection to the Chicago serial killer, John Wayne Gacy.

• 16:45Speaker 07

  And so that's, you know, and that's currently being investigated. We're actually waiting right now for some DNA results to come back.

• 16:53Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 16:53Speaker 07

  Uh, to see if there's a connection there. So there's lots of interesting details. I also, I think with this, this podcast, um, you know, a true crime podcast about hunters and anglers. I think our audience has a really unique opportunity to push some of these cases forward. Because there'll be people in our audience who are from that area, um, who, who know the, the place that, that Bob's car was found. Um, and so they might have some information. And I also think our audience is gonna, is gonna care about these stories more so than, you know, your kind of standard true crime, general audience.

• 17:31Speaker 07

  Um, I think, you know, we, we wanna figure out what happened to these people who love to do the, the same things that, that we love to do.

• 17:40Speaker 04

  Now, you mentioned, uh, you, you mentioned that there's these bizarre details. What's the most surprising thing you turned up, uh, in this, in this case during your reporting?

• 17:53Speaker 07

  Yeah, I mean, I, I think it's that John Wayne Gacy connection, which, um, Gacy was arrested, I believe in 1978. So that was just one year after Bob disappeared. Um, and the fact that, that we just now are kind of learning about this. The, the detective who's in charge got a tip from someone who said that Gacy did some work at their, um, at their, I believe it was an inn or a hotel. Um, he, he, Gacy did some work there, which is around the same area that Bob disappeared around the same time. Um, and so they're, they're looking at some of the DNA from, uh, the, some Gacy victims that haven't been identified.

• 18:35Speaker 07

  Um, and so just the fact that it's been almost 50 years and we're still learning more, we're, there's still leads to follow. And some of those leads are very surprising and I mean, obviously very disturbing. Um, I think that's was definitely the, the most surprising thing from this episode.

• 18:53Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 18:57Speaker 04

  This is obviously just the first of your series. Can you give listeners a sense of what else they can expect in the weeks ahead and how frequently these will be coming out?

• 19:07Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So this first season is going to have eight episodes. The first one comes out today and then they'll come out every Thursday until those those eight episodes are over. And so the next two episodes is going to be a two-part series about a there was in 1996, a 15-year-old girl was murdered. They couldn't figure out who did it. Last year, they found her killer. It turned out to be a BLM biologist who still lived in the area. He was also a big-time hunter, very involved in the hunting community. And so those two episodes cover that investigation, how he was found out. And then we really dive into this

• 19:50Speaker 07

  question of how could someone do this, right? And then go on to kind of live a normal life. So that's the next two episodes. The one after that is about a hunter who was murdered with his own rifle. They don't know who did it. The one after that is a similar kind of disappearance case, similar to the Bob Christian case. But there's a lot more information. Detectives think they know who did it, but they've, you know, been been unable to basically gather enough evidence.

• 20:21Speaker 07

  There's a story of a hunter who was stabbed 17 times. He was found out in the woods and they ruled it a suicide. So we get into that and some of the reasons, the evidence for that. So lots of interesting stuff. This is not a podcast where every story is a cold case and you don't have a resolution. Some of these stories have been solved, but I would say there's still a lot of questions, a lot of unanswered questions with which with each of these cases. So really excited to share these stories. And like I said, hopefully, we can move some of these cases forward. Hopefully, some of our audience will know something and be able to help out.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. Jordan, we do have one more question for you from the chat. Spencer wants to know the story behind the baseball on the shelf behind you.

• 21:10Speaker 07

  Oh, that's just Little League. I got the game ball one game.

• 21:16Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 21:18Speaker 05

  That's wholesome.

• 21:19Speaker 07

  Yeah, thank you.

• 21:20Steven Rinella?

  I'm glad you ditched that at some point.

• 21:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, no, man. No, it was a shining moment of my baseball career, honestly.

• 21:27Steven Rinella?

  Beautiful, beautiful. Well, Jordan, good to see you. Congrats on this. I know it's been a tremendous amount of work and folks are excited. So again, to the audience, check out Blood Trails. Go find it, subscribe, and you can look forward to eight episodes in the coming weeks.

• 21:48Speaker 07

  Yeah, absolutely. And just one quick plug. If you have a story you think we should cover, we have an email address set up. It's just bloodtrails@themeat eater.com. So, you know, send me your ideas. I'm always looking for a good story.

• 22:01Steven Rinella?

  Awesome. Thank you, Jordan. Appreciate it.

• 22:04Speaker 05

  See you, Jordan.

• 22:05Steven Rinella?

  Good work, Jordan.

• 22:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:07Speaker 06

  Got goosebumps. Watch your six while you're out in the woods.

• 22:10Speaker 07

  Yeah.

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• 24:26Speaker 04

  Our next segment is fake news.

• 24:43Speaker 06

  You can do anything you set your minds to, guys. Except like teleport or fly or something, stuff like that, you know?

• 24:51Speaker 04

  That's, was that a new touch at the end?

• 24:53Speaker 05

  No, it's just everyone always talks over it, so it's been hidden. There's, there's a few of those in some of my drops where there's like a little sneak peek sneak at the end. I've never mentioned it, but thanks for calling. Good work, Phil.

• 25:02Speaker 06

  A little Slim Shady mix in there.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  Fake news is where I read a series of headlines in which a real one is hiding among three imposters. Your job is to figure out which one is true.

• 25:14Speaker 05

  Can't wait.

• 25:15Speaker 06

  Bring it on.

• 25:17Speaker 05

  You ready for this, Ben or Randall?

• 25:18Speaker 04

  Yes. And Phil, would you keep score, please?

• 25:22Speaker 05

  Uh, probably not.

• 25:25Speaker 04

  It's a joke. It's so simple. I'll keep score.

• 25:28Speaker 05

  Thanks.

• 25:30Speaker 04

  Uh, our first headline comes from the venerable journalistic outlet, people.com.

• 25:37Speaker 05

  Sorry Randall, hold on a sec here.

• 25:38Speaker 04

  No, it's fine.

• 25:39Speaker 05

  You're just making small talk. No, it's not your fault at all.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  No, no, I didn't really think about how complicated it was on your end of things.

• 25:47Speaker 05

  Oh, it's okay.

• 25:47Speaker 04

  And I should've just killed time for longer.

• 25:49Speaker 05

  Randall, I forgive you.

• 25:50Speaker 04

  I see you have it up now.

• 25:51Speaker 05

  It's up now.

• 25:52Speaker 04

  May I proceed? I'll do that again.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  Great.

• 25:55Speaker 04

  Our first headline comes from the venerable journalistic outlet, people.com.

• 25:59Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 26:00Speaker 04

  Formerly People Magazine.

• 26:01Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 26:02Speaker 04

  Aggressive blank destroyed after escaping from overturned truck, but one is still on the loose.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  Oh, I just read this. No.

• 26:11Speaker 04

  Oh, that kinda... Don't show them. Don't show them your answer.

• 26:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, yeah. Hold on.

• 26:15Speaker 04

  I'll read that headline again for those of you playing at home. Aggressive blank destroyed after escaping from overturned truck, but one is still on the loose.

• 26:27Speaker 05

  Man.

• 26:28Speaker 04

  Your options are A, lions, B, elephants, C, monkeys, or D, wild horses.

• 26:37Speaker 06

  Phew. All could be aggressive.

• 26:40Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, that was a trick. That was tricky for me when I was coming up with the fake answers. Because I had to choose aggressive animals that could be turned... Could be in an overturned truck.

• 26:51Speaker 06

  You don't think the word destroyed harmed the animal, do you?

• 26:54Speaker 04

  I do, actually. I do.

• 26:57Speaker 06

  I did not hear about this, so...

• 26:58Speaker 04

  That's a clinical term. A, lions, B, elephants,

• 27:03Speaker 06

  You guys destroyed a couple elk this weekend, didn't you?

• 27:04Speaker 04

  C, monkeys, or D, wild horses.

• 27:07Speaker 06

  Interesting.

• 27:07Speaker 04

  Yes. What could it be? Seth's got an answer because Seth keeps up with his social media headlines.

• 27:14Speaker 06

  People Magazine.

• 27:16Speaker 04

  I thought... I thought this might be too obvious because it's been all over.

• 27:20Speaker 06

  Has it?

• 27:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 27:22Speaker 06

  Interesting. I must've been in the woods.

• 27:23Speaker 04

  That shouldn't shape your thinking, Corey. You should just follow your gut.

• 27:26Speaker 06

  Let's go.

• 27:27Speaker 04

  Is it A, lions, B, elephants, C, monkeys, or D, wild horses?

• 27:32Speaker 06

  Well, golly, you can't hide an elephant.

• 27:36Speaker 04

  This.

• 27:37Speaker 06

  Hmm, here we go.

• 27:39Speaker 04

  No, this is good.

• 27:40Speaker 06

  South Carolina?

• 27:40Speaker 04

  No.

• 27:41Speaker 06

  Okay, definitely haven't heard about it. Let's go.

• 27:44Speaker 04

  All right, flip over your boards, gentlemen. We both say C monkeys. Darn it, you both got it correct.

• 27:51Speaker 05

  I saw a gripping grin.

• 27:52Speaker 04

  I'm gonna.

• 27:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, so like some hunters got after him, I guess.

• 27:57Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 27:58Speaker 05

  Or unless that was fake news, but I saw on on the webs that uh.

• 28:02Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 28:03Speaker 05

  Some hunter was sitting in a deer stand and one came by.

• 28:06Speaker 04

  I don't know. I don't know who got the monkeys, but I can tell you that a truck carrying 21 rhesus monkeys from Tulane University to a testing facility in Florida overturned just on Tuesday, setting the primates loose. The Jasper County Sheriff's Department posted on Facebook that quote, "The monkeys are approximately 40 pounds, aggressive to humans and carry hepatitis C, herpes and COVID."

• 28:31Speaker 06

  Oh.

• 28:33Speaker 04

  However, in a separate statement, Tulane University said the monkeys had not been exposed to any of these.

• 28:38Speaker 06

  Sure. Good.

• 28:39Speaker 04

  Uh, people contacted the Jasper County Sheriff's Department, uh, who had no additional comment about the discrepancy in information and referred to the to follow their social media pages for updates on the case. So if a if a deer hunter got one of those monkeys, I'm not sure. I assumed it was the sheriff's department, but. Boy.

• 28:58Speaker 06

  Stay tuned for on the missing monkey.

• 29:00Speaker 04

  Real exciting start to our game. We're tied at one to one.

• 29:03Speaker 06

  Ah, rhesus monkey.

• 29:05Speaker 04

  Our second headline comes to us from the old gray lady, the New York Times.

• 29:11Speaker 04

  Beware of Swiper, a blank at Grand Teton Park with a penchant for footwear.

• 29:18Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 29:19Speaker 04

  Is it A, a black bear, B, a marmot, C, a fox, or D, a seasonal employee?

• 29:24Speaker 06

  Ooh. Got it.

• 29:25Speaker 04

  Oh, again, the headline reads, beware of Swiper, a blank at Grand Teton Park with a penchant for footwear. And your options once again are a black bear, a marmot.

• 29:39Speaker 06

  Hmm, do you know this one?

• 29:40Speaker 04

  A fox.

• 29:41Speaker 06

  That's a pretty good guess.

• 29:42Speaker 04

  Or a seasonal employee.

• 29:45Speaker 06

  All options would potentially snag a footwear piece and take it away.

• 29:50Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:51Speaker 06

  Back to their hole. Seasonal employee would be living in a hole somewhere, for sure.

• 29:55Speaker 04

  It would be weird, though, if a seasonal employee got a nickname from a newspaper.

• 30:00Speaker 06

  Well.

• 30:01Speaker 04

  I don't know. I guess they could, you know, it's like the Boston Strangler.

• 30:05Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 30:06Speaker 04

  Seth's got an answer. Seth, are you confident? Cory's got an answer.

• 30:11Speaker 06

  I feel pretty good.

• 30:11Speaker 05

  I narrowed it down to two, I think.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  All right, based on just your gut?

• 30:15Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 30:15Speaker 04

  Perfect. That's how we like to play around here. Flip those boards over, boys. Let me see them. Seth says C.

• 30:23Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 30:23Speaker 04

  A fox. Cory says B, a marmot. We have a correct answer in the room.

• 30:30Speaker 04

  It's a fox!

• 30:31Speaker 06

  Woo! I've been gutshot.

• 30:33Speaker 04

  Oh, look at that. Look at that photo there.

• 30:35Speaker 05

  There he is.

• 30:36Speaker 04

  Uh, the National Park Service announced on a poster, "Wanted for Grand Theft Footwear", with an illustration of a fox gripping a sneaker in its teeth. Crimes: stealing left shoes, parentheses, "They taste better", flip flops, and campers' pride. This whimsical wanted poster, which branded the fox "The Sneaker Snatcher", "The Midnight Mismatcher", and "Swiper the Fox", was part of the park's initial effort to warn campers that parkour shoes had been vanishing. But last week, unfortunately, the tally of purloined footwear rose to 32. Uh, because visitors were intentionally leaving out their footwear as offerings to the fox, just in case he comes by.

• 31:18Speaker 05

  I wonder what he's doing with them.

• 31:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 31:20Speaker 04

  I don't know. I don't know.

• 31:21Speaker 06

  Got a den of shoes.

• 31:23Speaker 04

  Yeah, that'd be interesting to see. I hope we get some more information on Swiper the Fox for a future episode of Fake News, because I don't know anything.

• 31:34Speaker 04

  So now, it seems we have a one to two deficit here. Seth is in the lead. Cory is losing by one point.

• 31:43Speaker 06

  That is correct.

• 31:43Speaker 04

  And there is one headline left to go. Phil, let's give it to him. A fisherman went digging for worms. Instead, he found 13 pounds of blank. Is it Civil War cannonballs? Marijuana? Ancient treasure? Or dinosaur teeth?

• 32:02Speaker 06

  Interesting.

• 32:03Speaker 05

  Where was he?

• 32:05Speaker 04

  That's gonna give away.

• 32:06Speaker 06

  Is it though?

• 32:07Speaker 04

  A fisherman went digging for worms. He found thirteen pounds of blank. Is it Civil War cannonballs? Marijuana? Ancient treasure? Or dinosaur teeth?

• 32:20Speaker 06

  I wasn't around back in the Civil War, but I feel like a cannonball would have weighed about thirteen pounds.

• 32:25Speaker 04

  You know, I had, I had problems when I was coming up with my fake answers. I had problems thinking of things that would be in the ground that you'd measure in poundage.

• 32:35Speaker 06

  Okay, so it's not a?

• 32:37Speaker 04

  No, no, it could be.

• 32:38Speaker 06

  Well, of course.

• 32:39Speaker 04

  Cause if they were different sized cannonballs.

• 32:41Speaker 06

  Mini cannonball.

• 32:42Speaker 04

  You wouldn't say a small one and a medium one.

• 32:44Speaker 06

  Sure, chunks of balls.

• 32:46Speaker 05

  The, uh, the chat is reprimanding all of you for not, not having any reference to Dora the Explorer when it comes to Swiper, the fox? Who steals things?

• 32:55Speaker 06

  Oh, darn.

• 32:56Speaker 05

  Swiper, no swiping?

• 32:57Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Guilty as, guilty as charged.

• 33:00Speaker 05

  I think he wears a little Zorro mask.

• 33:02Speaker 04

  Not a, not a, not a Dora guy.

• 33:05Speaker 05

  It's a little, little past your time.

• 33:07Speaker 04

  But it, it helps.

• 33:08Speaker 05

  I didn't pick that one.

• 33:09Speaker 06

  Okay, good.

• 33:11Speaker 04

  Seth's got an answer. Cory's got an answer. They've.

• 33:13Speaker 05

  Do you have a tiebreaker?

• 33:14Speaker 04

  They've got different answers. No, I'm thinking of one as I do this. Uh. You ready Cory?

• 33:22Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 33:23Speaker 04

  Show me what you got, big boys.

• 33:26Speaker 05

  Cannonball.

• 33:27Speaker 04

  Cory says B, weed. Seth says A, cannonballs. The correct answer? Is C, ancient treasure. Oh. A Swedish fisherman searching for gooey juicy worms to use as bait near his summer home near Stockholm. Instead struck something far more solid. A copper cauldron brimming with coins and jewelry. In total, the find comprised thirteen pounds of early Middle Ages silver.

• 33:56Speaker 04

  Are we good, Phil?

• 33:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, don't worry about the TV.

• 33:58Speaker 04

  This, this is quote, "This is probably one of the largest silver treasures from the early Middle Ages that has been found in Sweden," says Sophia Anderson, the antiquarian at the Stockholm County Administrative Board. She says this in a translated statement, so I don't know the original Swedish. I assume that they translated her accurately. Quote, "We do not yet know how," or excuse me, God.

• 34:21Speaker 05

  Just take a breath, Randall.

• 34:23Speaker 04

  "We do not yet know exactly how many coins there are, but I believe it could be upward of 20,000."

• 34:30Speaker 05

  Wow.

• 34:30Speaker 04

  "A veritable fortune in Middle Age treasure."

• 34:34Speaker 05

  20,000 coins or $20,000 worth of coins?

• 34:37Speaker 04

  20,000 coins.

• 34:38Speaker 05

  Man.

• 34:39Speaker 04

  I don't know if we have the exchange rate pinned down.

• 34:41Speaker 05

  Hmm. That'd be interesting to know.

• 34:44Speaker 04

  But with that final question, Seth is the winner of Fake News by a score of two to one. Thanks for playing. I enjoyed this.

• 34:54Speaker 05

  Good game.

• 34:54Speaker 06

  That was great.

• 34:55Speaker 04

  Back to our regularly scheduled programming, and that brings us to listener feedback, Phil.

• 35:00Speaker 05

  Nah.

• 35:01Speaker 04

  What does the chat have to say? Sorry if I'm rushing you.

• 35:04Speaker 05

  No, it's, no, it's fine. It's moving. It's very efficient and I appreciate that.

• 35:07Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, I mean, that's the vibe we're going for.

• 35:10Speaker 05

  When this show is run professionally, it kind of catches me off guard, you know?

• 35:13Speaker 04

  That's the vibe I'm going for here.

• 35:15Speaker 05

  Uh, Mogor asks, "When will daylight saving time end in Montana this year? Ours just ended this past Sunday. I didn't know that it's on different schedules around the world, but Mogor, I believe ours is next week, next Tuesday?

• 35:27Speaker 06

  Saturday night.

• 35:29Speaker 04

  I think it ends, yeah, it usually is a week.

• 35:30Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, it's like a Sunday, a Saturday night into Sunday.

• 35:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 35:33Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 35:34Speaker 04

  It's coming up soon.

• 35:35Speaker 05

  I think this weekend.

• 35:36Speaker 04

  Shift our, uh, shift our hunting hours around a little bit here.

• 35:39Speaker 06

  Sunset will be around 5:30 now?

• 35:42Speaker 04

  Sunset, uh, a week from Thursday, sunset is at 4:30.

• 35:47Speaker 05

  Really?

• 35:47Speaker 04

  A week from today, yeah. This time next week, sunset will be at 4:30.

• 35:51Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 35:51Speaker 04

  And, uh,

• 35:52Speaker 05

  Barely light here.

• 35:53Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah. So we're gonna have some earlier mornings, but also earlier evenings back at the tent.

• 36:00Speaker 06

  True.

• 36:00Speaker 04

  Which I enjoy.

• 36:01Speaker 06

  Long nights.

• 36:02Speaker 04

  Interesting question, Mogor. Thank you.

• 36:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, we had a legitimate question about rifle calibers in the chat. But Spencer Newheart has just been fielding those. Is that the bullet question? Yeah. Yeah, I like that one. Uh, well, there, there is another bull asking if you guys are shooting, uh, copper. Oh, yeah, that's the one I saw. Okay, then, no, there was one about whitetail caliber. Gotcha. Yeah.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  I believe old Seth is.

• 36:22Speaker 05

  I'm shooting all copper, um, Hornady CX bullet out of my seven PRC. That's what I shot that bull with.

• 36:28Speaker 04

  Hmm, beautiful. I am not.

• 36:31Speaker 06

  Same, lead.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  Uh, Seth is from Garrett. Why does Kelsey never paint a picture, paint pictures of Wile? I don't give an F about cowboys. Can I pet that dog?

• 36:41Speaker 06

  Can I pet that dog?

• 36:42Speaker 05

  Well, if you, uh, are willing to spend some money, she will do that.

• 36:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't think that.

• 36:47Speaker 05

  Get that commission.

• 36:48Speaker 04

  I don't think that brush moves for free.

• 36:49Speaker 05

  The cowboys pay the bills.

• 36:53Speaker 06

  Wile is very photogenic.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, beautiful animal. What else we got here?

• 36:58Speaker 05

  Uh, well, here's another caliber question. Justin is asking, does one of you shoot a Sig Cross and 300 Windmag? And if so, do you like it? I have a Montana Bear and Alaska. Well, you know, it's a mushy sentence, but he's got some hunts and he wants to know if that's a good, uh, thing to go with. Cory?

• 37:13Speaker 06

  Yeah, I sure do. It's the Sig Cross, uh, Sawtooth in a 300 Windmag. Love it. I, uh, I will say I don't like carrying around the mountains, but when it's time to shoot something, it's a dream. So.

• 37:25Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, I mean.

• 37:27Speaker 06

  It's worth it.

• 37:27Speaker 04

  There's no free lunch.

• 37:29Speaker 06

  True.

• 37:29Speaker 04

  Uh, I have a Sig Cross, the original Magnum, not the Sawtooth in the 300 Windmag. And, uh, yeah, my, uh, my wife killed a buffalo with it.

• 37:39Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  Shooting a copper bullet. So just to tie those two questions together, I was up for some hosting.

• 37:45Speaker 05

  Good job, Randall.

• 37:46Speaker 04

  But yeah, 300 Windmag can't go wrong.

• 37:49Speaker 06

  No.

• 37:49Speaker 04

  Unless you, unless you're recoil shy, then you get a big break.

• 37:53Speaker 06

  Yep.

• 37:53Speaker 04

  Or a can.

• 37:54Speaker 06

  Or a meat eater suppressor.

• 37:55Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 37:56Speaker 05

  Here's another plug for you. This question's from Dill Bean. Any thoughts on the 100 mile buffer zone bill for quote, border security and SNR unquote? Uh, we just released a bonus flop. This morning, Steve talks to one of his buddies about this whole topic. You can check that out about, uh, it's got Steve's thoughts in there. The main, the thing Steve said that I think kind of sums the whole thing up is if you have a group of people that are trying to do something very unpopular unsuccessfully for decades. And then they try to frame, actually, it's about border security. Yeah.

• 38:28Speaker 04

  Right.

• 38:28Speaker 05

  And then they introduce a bill, it smells fishy. So, you know.

• 38:32Speaker 04

  I don't know enough about it to speak to it knowledgeably.

• 38:35Speaker 05

  Check out the podcast.

• 38:36Speaker 04

  Check out the podcast.

• 38:37Speaker 06

  Yeah, just stay out of the wilderness. That's all I have to say.

• 38:40Speaker 05

  Uh, Ryan asks Randy, which I guess is something people call you, when and what was your most recent cased meat meal?

• 38:46Speaker 04

  Hmm. Great question. Great question.

• 38:51Speaker 06

  Couldn't have been that long ago.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  No.

• 38:55Speaker 04

  No, it wasn't.

• 38:56Speaker 06

  Saturday, right? Didn't you say something about a corn dog?

• 38:58Speaker 04

  No, that was the bull that I'm going to talk about.

• 39:01Speaker 06

  Oh, sorry. I'm jumping ahead here.

• 39:03Speaker 04

  Gosh, that's a good question. Uh, I know I've been eating bratwurst at home. Regularly. Uh. Sorry, Ryan, I don't have a good answer for you. It wasn't that long ago.

• 39:17Speaker 05

  Couple of weeks, gotta be within, within the last couple of weeks.

• 39:20Speaker 04

  Within two weeks, within two weeks for sure.

• 39:23Speaker 06

  Well, that could be multiple questions. Cased is in like a sausage or cased is in like the hot case from a

• 39:28Speaker 04

  Ooh.

• 39:29Speaker 06

  gas station.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  Oh. Hasn't been that long since I've tickled the, since I've tickled the hot case at town pump.

• 39:37Speaker 06

  That's where my head was at.

• 39:38Speaker 05

  Tickled the hot case at town pump?

• 39:39Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 39:40Speaker 05

  I think I read, uh, some online erotica, same title.

• 39:44Speaker 04

  Phil, please, you're live on air.

• 39:47Speaker 05

  I know.

• 39:48Speaker 06

  We got kids watching.

• 39:49Speaker 04

  What else you got, Phil?

• 39:51Speaker 05

  Steve accuses me of having a nun fetish in next week's episode of the Meteor Podcast, so I don't really, everything's out the window now.

• 39:57Speaker 04

  Stay tuned, folks.

• 39:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 39:59Speaker 04

  Should we do one more here?

• 40:00Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't, let's see what's, yeah, here's one for all of you. You Phil, you playing Destiny Rising? No, I um, I, I, I, this is, I don't know if I've said this before, I have played thousands, literal thousands of hours of Destiny 2. And much like my game fuel, I had to quit that cold turkey. I do not play Destiny anymore. Destiny Rising, you okay Randall? Destiny Rising is the new mobile Destiny game. I will not touch it. I have never touched it.

• 40:32Speaker 05

  Take that to the bank for all of you who care.

• 40:34Speaker 06

  Gosh.

• 40:34Speaker 05

  Which is Azor King.

• 40:36Speaker 04

  Well, that's a fantastic listener feedback section. Yes. Thanks for wrapping this up, Phil.

• 40:41Speaker 05

  Keep the questions coming.

• 40:42Speaker 04

  Gang, keep them coming. Would love, would love some more feedback. We're gonna do an extended feedback at the end of this episode. My co-host just learned. Up next, we're gonna speak with Lauren Dolcater, who submitted one of the most hair-raising customer service emails in First Light's history after a tree limb impaled her leg. Lauren, welcome to the show.

• 41:05Speaker 04

  Hello. Thank you for joining us. So as I understand it, you needed a replacement set of kiln base layers after a recent hunt in Wyoming. What were you hunting and when was this? Um, it was about five weeks ago. Um, we were hunting archery elk.

• 41:30Speaker 04

  It was middle of September and yeah, we were there up near Dubois, Wyoming, hunting elk for about a week. And um, yeah, it was, the week was off to a great start. We got into some elk and had a lot of, we had a close encounter with a moose.

• 41:53Speaker 04

  It was just off to a great start and then um, Friday on day five, we uh, everything kinda changed. Yeah, can you, can you describe about the incident that led to your injury here? What happened? Uh, yeah, so we were driving a side by side. Um, early morning, so it was still dark and we were about forty five minutes to an hour that we needed to get up a pretty rough road to get where we had watched some elk go into some timber the night before, so we felt like we had a good chance, but we needed to get up there before first light and um

• 42:37Speaker 04

  we've driven up that road many times, but for some reason, um we were going up and my hunting partner was driving and I was in the passenger seat and um I don't remember if there was like something in the road or just like a really big pothole or something and he kind of tried to miss it and we got too close to the edge and there was a um, we were driving through a burn and there was an old lodgepole tree that was hanging over the edge of the road and when we hit it, it came through the side by side door and went into my leg.

• 43:17Speaker 05

  Uh, I, I will just say I have, I have some pictures that Lauren shared with us. They are not gory, but I would say one of them is rather upsetting. At least when I saw it, I got like full body chills. So I'm gonna pull that up in a little bit. If you don't want to see that, look away.

• 43:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, Lauren, can you, can you describe what was going through your head? Right as that happened, did you know right away or, or did the um, did the side by side immediately come to a stop? Like what was, what was the first, so the first thing that happened there, the next thing that happened? Yeah, um, the side by side came to a complete stop, um, and me and my partner kind of just looked at each other and I felt a pressure against my leg. I didn't really feel any sharp pain or anything, so immediately I just thought that the side by side door kind of like pinned me and my leg was stuck.

• 44:13Speaker 04

  And then I reached down because he was starting to put it in reverse and I just kind of had a weird feeling and I reached down and I could feel something. Going into my leg. So I told him to stop and I was like, I think something's in my leg. And he's like, what do you mean? And so I turned on my headlamp and looked down and I could see that that tree was in my leg. Oh. Jeez. Uh, how did, how did your partner respond? Was it just the two of you? Yeah, it was just the two of us. Um, he responded pretty well. Obviously, we were both shocked. Um, he put it into park and we both work in the medical field, so I feel like that kinda helped us a little bit.

• 44:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's a plus. Um, obviously, if you get impaled by something, the last thing you want to do is pull it out. Right. So I told him to put it in park and told him to come around the side of the side by side. So we could see if I was still attached to the tree or if the branch had broke. Um, which luckily it had. That would have been a whole nother ordeal trying to get off of that. Um, but yeah, just from the crash, the, uh, fender flare of the side by side had enough pressure that it broke the branch or end of the tree, actually. But, um,

• 45:38Speaker 04

  there was about three, probably about three feet of it hanging off from my leg. And we were able to get the side by side door open and kinda.

• 45:52Speaker 05

  She'll be right back.

• 45:54Speaker 04

  We were able to get the side by side open and situate the piece of wood into the side by side with me. And I kinda just had to almost stand up with my good leg and hold on to the ceiling of the side by side and keep my legs straight. Um, for a 20 minute ride back down the mountain. Oh, my gosh. And then what, what, it's obviously at some point you got, uh, medical attention from first responders. What was that like? Did you drive to the hospital or did they come out to, to, to pick you up or? Uh, what did that look like? Um, so I keep a Garmin. In reach for obviously things like this, but I knew because we've hunted there for a few years.

• 46:36Speaker 04

  We knew that we were only about twenty minutes from cell service and we needed to get down the mountain anyways. Um, and where we had cell service, we knew an ambulance could get there and there'd be enough room for a helicopter to land. So we got down there, called nine one one and they sent a ambulance that was stationed down in Dubois, which was only about fifteen minutes from where we were. Um, so they sent an ambulance up and uh, got an IV started and helped me out with meds and uh, trying to figure out if we were able to drive to a hospital because we're about an hour and a half from the nearest hospital. Um.

• 47:22Speaker 04

  And at this point, I'm sure the pain had set in.

• 47:26Speaker 04

  Yeah, definitely. It was more so like cramping pain. Hmm. Like my muscles were obviously trying to reject whatever was in my leg. Yeah. Um, and I think with enough adrenaline, nothing was sharp pain, but definitely was scared of what kind of outcomes might be ahead. Um. But yeah, so we were on the scene for probably about an hour and then they decided they wanted to fly me to a trauma center because we were over four hour drive from the nearest trauma center. And so, yeah, they landed a helicopter and flew me to Idaho Falls. Wow.

• 48:10Speaker 04

  What uh, after you got to the hospital, what, what were the extent of your injuries and, and how are you doing today? Um, I got extremely lucky with the path that the tree went in. It missed bone and arteries and everything that's super important. Um. It did get my glute muscle a little bit because it went about six inches into my leg. Hmm. Um, but yeah, I got there. They did some CTs really quick. Make sure that I didn't hit any arteries that would cause me to bleed out or anything like that. And um, I was in surgery within a half hour and they just.

• 48:53Speaker 04

  Just went in and took it out and cleaned everything. The biggest worry was infection. So the surgeon did really good and got it all cleaned out and um. Yeah, I'm really lucky. I I was walking within two hours of surgery. That's unbelievable. Yeah, and um, yeah, I was actually able to go on a hunt last week. That's awesome. Tags.

• 49:20Speaker 05

  Nice. That's great.

• 49:22Speaker 06

  Amazing.

• 49:23Speaker 04

  Yeah. Did you get uh, did you get your replacement base layers yet from first light? I hope the answer is yes, otherwise this can be tremendously embarrassing.

• 49:35Speaker 04

  They they have sent them. They're on their way. Uh, it's more on my end. I'm having a little issues with a change of address situation. Oh, sure. Um, customer service was great and they sent them out right away and um. Yeah, it's turned into quite the story. Yeah, that's gonna be a story. That's gonna be a hunting camp story for the ages. Yeah, yeah, luckily, everything turned out good. Yeah, I'm glad I'm glad to uh, hear that you got back out there. Uh, that was my next question is what the rest of your season looks like. So I'm glad to hear that you uh. Got back out there and that you weren't more seriously injured by this. It's uh.

• 50:14Speaker 04

  Very lucky that you guys have the medical training that you do because I think had some other folks been in that same situation, cooler's heads would not have prevailed. Yeah, I'm very thankful for that background. Um, Lauren, thanks for, thanks for sharing your story with us. Uh, good luck out there this fall and uh, yeah. Incredible story and glad you're okay and uh. Please reach out should anything like this happen again. Fingers crossed it doesn't, but please, please reach out and uh, and yeah, it's great to chat with you. Sounds great. Thank you guys for having me on. Thanks Lauren.

• 50:52Speaker 05

  Thanks Lauren.

• 50:53Speaker 06

  Good luck.

• 50:53Speaker 04

  Alright, bye. Oh.

• 50:57Speaker 05

  Brutal.

• 50:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm still tense.

• 50:59Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:59Speaker 04

  My body's tense.

• 51:00Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 51:01Speaker 04

  I knew a friend of my, sorry, a mother of one of my friends growing up had a similar deal riding a quad through the woods. And had a stick ride, basically ride up the side of her knee and enter her leg.

• 51:16Speaker 06

  After getting flipped up from a tire.

• 51:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, that's gnarly. That's super gnarly.

• 51:24Speaker 06

  I don't think we meant to do this, but it's kind of an ironic show with Halloween tomorrow. We got a lot of gore and murder and, you know,

• 51:31Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 51:31Speaker 06

  Halloween-esque.

• 51:32Speaker 04

  Though we did not think about that, but man, those pictures are.

• 51:35Speaker 06

  Happy Halloween.

• 51:36Speaker 04

  Make me shaky.

• 51:39Speaker 05

  Do you need a sip of water? You good? You need a second?

• 51:41Speaker 04

  No.

• 51:42Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 51:43Speaker 04

  No, I'm good. I'm good. It's the responsibility of the host to keep this thing moving. But I am affected by that story. And I'm really glad that they sent out those replacement base layers. I figured I could be setting us up for tremendous embarrassment as a company. And I was gonna offer to send them myself, go down to the store and, you know, use the employee discount and all that, but good on first light.

• 52:05Speaker 06

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• 54:31Steven Rinella?

  And there's no musical drop.

• 54:32Speaker 05

  No, there is. StreamYard's having some issues today.

• 54:34Steven Rinella?

  There we go.

• 54:49Steven Rinella?

  For today's Throwback Thursday, we've got a real treat for you folks. We each brought in our first bull elk.

• 54:59Steven Rinella?

  And we're going to share those stories. Maybe we should go in order of trophy size.

• 55:05Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 55:06Steven Rinella?

  Because I didn't realize we were bringing in our first six points. But Seth.

• 55:11Speaker 05

  For those of you who weren't in this room before the show started, this is all Randall has been able to talk about for the last hour.

• 55:16Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I thought we were bringing in raghorns.

• 55:19Speaker 04

  I can't help. Things leaning up against the wall to my armpit. Seth's like, I can't help it.

• 55:24Speaker 05

  I can't help it. My first bull was a six point.

• 55:27Speaker 04

  Great bull.

• 55:28Speaker 05

  No, it's not.

• 55:28Speaker 04

  It's a good bull. It's a great first bull, but I didn't realize that we were gonna do this thing. So Seth, why don't you tell us the story of your first bull?

• 55:36Speaker 05

  It's it's not a huge six point.

• 55:38Speaker 04

  No, it's not. It's it's. The biggest bull in the room. It's barely a six point, just so everybody knows.

• 55:43Speaker 05

  Is the camera wide enough to get this? Uh, just, just barely, Seth. This is, this is my first. Yep. Let me get to the mic so Phil doesn't yell at me. Thank you.

• 55:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 55:53Speaker 05

  This is, this is my first bull that I ever killed. Um, and it just so happened that this was back in 2016, my first hunting season in Montana.

• 56:05Speaker 04

  How old were you?

• 56:07Speaker 05

  I don't know, 25, 6, 25?

• 56:10Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 56:11Speaker 05

  26?

• 56:11Speaker 04

  To be 25 again. Young buck.

• 56:13Speaker 05

  Um, but yeah, so I, I, I just recently become a resident and in 2016, I went to FWP headquarters in Helen and picked up my tags.

• 56:23Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 56:23Speaker 05

  And then the next day I went up, uh, to a, a hunting spot that I had been scouting.

• 56:29Speaker 04

  Wait, this was literally the day after you bought your tag?

• 56:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:32Speaker 04

  Amazing.

• 56:33Speaker 05

  Um, and was deer hunting. I was deer hunting the spot that I had been, been looking at some, some big deer at and, uh, you know, I just happened to come across this guy that was bedded in some willows way, way back in there. Um, I was with good buddy Rick Hutton.

• 56:49Speaker 04

  Shout out, Rick.

• 56:50Speaker 05

  What's up, Rick? Um, so yeah, I ended up shooting this bull at last light and, um,

• 56:58Speaker 05

  I, you know, very new to elk hunting at this point in my life.

• 57:01Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 57:02Speaker 05

  And, uh, very new to western hunting in general and, and didn't really totally know what I was doing. Um, so we, we gutted this thing and we were six miles from the truck.

• 57:15Speaker 05

  So instead of cutting it up that night in the dark, we just gutted it and got the guts away from it.

• 57:21Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 57:21Speaker 05

  Um, because we were in some griz country.

• 57:24Speaker 06

  Thick.

• 57:24Speaker 05

  Thick griz country. Um, in fact, every time we pretty much scouted that area, we ran into grizzlies. Uh, but yeah, we, we, I gutted this thing, rolled the guts down the hill quite a ways away from it and, uh, we left to come back in the morning to, to cut it up. Um, which, you know, in hindsight, I probably would have just stayed there and cut the thing up.

• 57:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, but just not shot at six miles deep.

• 57:47Speaker 05

  Yeah, that too. Um, but that night, so we, we, uh, started hiking back to the, uh, the truck and it was well after dark. And the wind picked up, um, and there was like a cold front coming in that night. And so, you know, Rick and I, we were hustling to get out of there. We kind of stripped down to our base layers. Um, so, you know, so we weren't getting all sweaty and, uh, got back to the truck and Rick was acting real weird. And I couldn't figure out what was going on with him. He could like barely talk. He was kind of drooling a little bit.

• 58:21Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 58:22Speaker 05

  Um, saying he was real hot. Um, well, you know, later we figured out that Rick had gotten hypothermia.

• 58:29Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 58:30Speaker 05

  Walking out of there.

• 58:31Speaker 06

  Dangerous.

• 58:32Speaker 05

  So yeah, that was, that was my first experience. Um,

• 58:35Speaker 04

  Quite an adventure.

• 58:36Speaker 05

  With, uh, hypothermia, like seeing that for the first time.

• 58:39Speaker 04

  Mm hmm.

• 58:40Speaker 05

  And, you know, also my first experience killing a six point elk.

• 58:44Speaker 04

  Beautiful.

• 58:45Speaker 05

  So yeah, that's the story of this guy.

• 58:47Speaker 04

  Thank you, Seth.

• 58:48Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 58:48Speaker 05

  Randall, don't you think we should have started from the smallest to the largest? I think that would have been like a more kind of satisfying progression.

• 58:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, I didn't think about that.

• 58:57Speaker 05

  That's fine.

• 58:58Speaker 06

  First bulls, they're all the same size in memory.

• 59:00Speaker 04

  This time next year, when we do this again, we'll do it that way.

• 59:05Speaker 06

  So let's see, if we're going in order here.

• 59:07Speaker 04

  I think yours is bigger than mine.

• 59:09Speaker 06

  Is it? No.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  Oh, you want me to go? I'll go.

• 59:11Speaker 06

  No, I'll go.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  I'll go, I'll go.

• 59:12Speaker 06

  But I think mine's the smallest.

• 59:14Speaker 04

  Please let me go, let me go.

• 59:15Speaker 06

  Randall, why don't you go?

• 59:16Speaker 05

  All right. Yeah, might be close.

• 59:18Speaker 06

  It's gonna be, they're really similar.

• 59:20Speaker 05

  Your points are longer.

• 59:21Speaker 06

  Hey, thanks.

• 59:25Speaker 04

  Get my headset back on. This is a weird way to hold a bull.

• 59:28Speaker 06

  Very well done, European mounts, I will say.

• 59:30Speaker 04

  Yeah. This is my first bull.

• 59:37Speaker 04

  It's not going, for the listening audience, I'm having trouble fitting it in the frame with me.

• 59:44Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 59:45Speaker 04

  Not because it's large, but because I don't have good sense of my spatial awareness.

• 59:51Speaker 04

  Um, so this, this bull I killed in the fall of 2018, I believe. 2018, 2017.

• 1:00:03Speaker 05

  Hmm.

• 1:00:04Speaker 04

  Uh, it was the day after Thanksgiving and, uh, my, my brother-in-law was in town from Seattle and he's very interested in hunting and has watched, watched his meat eater and, and, uh, never been out hunting and I had a, a whitetail B tag for a, a unit west of Missoula. And we thought, well, why don't we take Jason out in the morning and shoot a whitetail doe and, uh, show them what hunting's all about, you know? And, uh, so we drive in there and it's basically like a Forest Service road and we'd hike down to the river and there's just some openings and see a lot of deer in there.

• 1:00:46Speaker 04

  And we pass a truck on the way in because it's the day after Thanksgiving. We pass a truck that's got like eight dudes in it, you know, from 10 years old to 80 years old. And they're like 300 yards from where we're parking. We're like, all right, I guess, you know, we'll, we'll get this side. Uh, we, we start walking from the truck. I see a whitetail doe. Phil, cue the picture.

• 1:01:10Speaker 05

  Oh, absolutely.

• 1:01:11Speaker 04

  Sorry, sorry. God, I did this again to you.

• 1:01:13Speaker 05

  Oh, no, you're fine. No, this is, this is on me, Randall. I'm the engineer back here. I should be prepared for everything.

• 1:01:18Speaker 04

  So Sydney, uh, Sydney started to take a picture. I'm about, I'm setting up to shoot this whitetail doe and, uh, next photo. Oh.

• 1:01:29Speaker 05

  I believe that was the next photo.

• 1:01:30Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, you did it right. I just, it's my mistake again.

• 1:01:33Speaker 05

  A big doe.

• 1:01:34Speaker 06

  Down in that.

• 1:01:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, so, so I'm, I'm setting up to shoot this doe and it, it wanders behind a little like finger ridge. That's, you know, like 30 feet tall, just like a little finger going down to the, to the river bottom. And so I said, oh, perfect. Let's drop down there. We'll walk up that finger and she'll walk up the other side. Cause she was just kind of feeding up. And so we start walking up this finger and, uh, another doe squirts past. And I think to myself, oh, I should every now and then check over my right shoulder. Instead of just locking in on the left side, we're expecting this doe. I'm like, I should check over my right shoulder just to make sure nothing's over there. And, uh, we get a little ways up and I look over my right shoulder and I see this big tan body.

• 1:02:19Speaker 04

  And I'm thinking, oh, that's, that looks like the color of an elk's body. And then I look again and I'm like, oh, that looks like an, the color of an elk's neck. And then I realized there's antlers and this thing is bedded, uh, broadside to me with just its face behind a tree. Like the tree was literally only covering its eyes. So it didn't see us. Uh, it's probably at like 50 yards.

• 1:02:43Speaker 06

  Wow. That's the little luck that it takes to.

• 1:02:45Speaker 04

  Oh, man.

• 1:02:46Speaker 06

  That you stopped, you know.

• 1:02:47Speaker 04

  And, uh.

• 1:02:48Speaker 06

  Couldn't see you.

• 1:02:48Speaker 04

  And so Sydney, Sydney and Jason are standing next to me and they're looking to the left. And, and I hear one of them go, oh, there's the doe. And I just go, shut up. You know? And, uh, and they have no idea what's happening. And then I start shooting. And I shoot this thing, uh, it stands up, two other bulls run off. I shoot it again and it flips over.

• 1:03:10Speaker 06

  Look at that shot.

• 1:03:11Speaker 04

  Well, well, so Phil, go back, go back. Go back, go back, go back, go back. Okay, next slide. So Sydney's like, Sydney's like, oh my God, Randall just shot his first bull. And like, I'm standing here. I just watched the whole thing. And so she started taking photos of me like walking down to it. And you'll see in this photo that it's lying, it's on a steep slope. It's head is kind of tucked under it and it's lying there. And we walk down to it and then you'll see in the next photo, all of a sudden it's getting up.

• 1:03:46Speaker 04

  And so this thing, as I approached it, it started like donkey kicking. Like I said, its head was wrapped under it. So all of a sudden it flips itself up and over like rodeo clown I am 10 feet away from it. And it starts running away. And I'm thinking it's gonna run to this truck with these other dudes.

• 1:04:05Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:04:05Speaker 04

  And I'm just thinking my first bull is gonna be shot by an entire extended clan. And they're gonna have a great Thanksgiving Day and I'm gonna have the bitterest Thanksgiving weekend of all time. So then I start shooting it again. So Phil, if you'll proceed. So we have this whole sequence of photos of it standing up again, again.

• 1:04:26Speaker 05

  Your shoulder and your rifle.

• 1:04:27Speaker 04

  You see that, see?

• 1:04:28Speaker 05

  Rifle's shouldered.

• 1:04:29Speaker 06

  He's off.

• 1:04:30Speaker 04

  And I'm like 20 yards away from it. Next one.

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

  You look closer than that.

• 1:04:34Speaker 04

  Next one. Oh, I mean, I was, I was afraid it was gonna kick me when it initially started freaking out. Um, next one.

• 1:04:41Speaker 06

  He's off.

• 1:04:42Speaker 04

  Next one. Finally.

• 1:04:44Speaker 05

  Oh, there we go.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  After, like on my last, the last round in the magazine. Uh, I mean, he ran to the bottom of the hill and just stood there and I shot him again and finally tipped over. And walked down there and pretty shocked by the whole thing. This is like at nine o'clock. Uh, you can see my face here. Uh, we're in a lot of Sitka in that photo, but you'll, you will see an FHF bino harness and a first light blaze orange hat.

• 1:05:12Speaker 05

  The suits aren't watching this, it's fine.

• 1:05:14Speaker 04

  No, it's fine. It shouldn't be a big deal.

• 1:05:15Speaker 05

  No.

• 1:05:16Speaker 04

  Um, and then the next photo. That's me and Sydney. It was a very cool, uh, cool thing to have her there for it. And then, uh, next photo, we had a little family, little family pack out.

• 1:05:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, he's packing out the hooves, aren't he?

• 1:05:33Speaker 04

  And then we went to the old, uh, Thomas Marbar in Missoula. Watched, uh, some, some football.

• 1:05:40Speaker 05

  That's great.

• 1:05:41Speaker 04

  Had a few cold ones.

• 1:05:42Speaker 06

  Lovely. You making glue with those hooves or what?

• 1:05:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know, that's, that was a mistake. Like I said.

• 1:05:49Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  Oh, Yanni.

• 1:05:54Speaker 04

  We're just talking about. Ladies and gentlemen.

• 1:05:56Speaker 05

  We're, we're talking bulls, Yanni.

• 1:05:57Speaker 04

  Yannis Patellus just walked into the studio. Yannis Patellus, tell the folks how you're doing.

• 1:06:03Speaker 05

  Well, I'm pretty hungry. Randall, we have a lunch date right now.

• 1:06:06Speaker 04

  Oh my God, we're running over on time.

• 1:06:08Speaker 06

  It is.

• 1:06:09Speaker 04

  So you've literally interrupted the live show to tell us that you want to go eat lunch now.

• 1:06:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:17Speaker 04

  Well, we've got one story left here and it's Cory Calkins. We're telling the story of our first bull elk.

• 1:06:22Speaker 07

  Oh, I'm here to listen.

• 1:06:23Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:24Speaker 07

  Here's, here's my first bull. I was a.

• 1:06:28Speaker 04

  Dandy.

• 1:06:29Speaker 07

  Fourteen or fifteen.

• 1:06:31Speaker 04

  Dandy.

• 1:06:31Speaker 07

  I can't quite remember exactly what year this was, but I think I was a sophomore in high school potentially. Anyway, Southern Montana, opening day. I do remember we glassed up elk the night before, which back then opener was on a Sunday. If anybody remembers that, missed those days. And so Saturday, I remember glassing up a herd of elk. My dad and I walked up in the dark, like trying to get, you know, ahead of everybody else that we could see rolling in with their campers. And we get up on this saddle and then looking down below us, just see headlights, glare coming up towards us, you know. So we're like, okay, well, we should be in the right spot. This is, you know, a few hundred yards away from.

• 1:07:12Speaker 04

  Everybody else is coming to us.

• 1:07:13Speaker 07

  Yeah. Uh, of course, sun comes up, elk are gone, so we're kind of bumming. We hike up above the saddle to the top of the hill and low and behold, here comes this lone bull tongue just dragging.

• 1:07:27Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 1:07:27Speaker 07

  As if he got bumped by somebody else. I want to say it was first forty-five minutes of light.

• 1:07:32Speaker 04

  Hmm.

• 1:07:33Speaker 07

  And he walked.

• 1:07:34Speaker 04

  Like I'm there with you.

• 1:07:35Speaker 07

  He walked right up to me, three hu- uh, excuse me, this was a thirty ought six. I want to say like sixty yards away. Dumped him.

• 1:07:42Speaker 05

  That's great.

• 1:07:43Speaker 07

  One shot.

• 1:07:43Speaker 04

  Fantastic.

• 1:07:44Speaker 07

  And yeah, I was pretty tickled, pretty blown away. And as we were packing him out, it took multiple trips to get him out, just my dad and I. And we passed this young gal who had harvested a giant six point right by the trailhead.

• 1:07:58Speaker 05

  Oh, nice.

• 1:07:58Speaker 07

  They admitted they got a late start, you know, and came up after first light and everybody had walked right by this stud six point bull in the dark.

• 1:08:07Speaker 04

  You've always got, you've always got a chance.

• 1:08:09Speaker 07

  Yeah. And so we got to see that on the way out, but yeah, and I, if I remember, my dad shot a spike later that day, back when you could shoot spikes around here.

• 1:08:17Speaker 04

  Very cool.

• 1:08:18Speaker 07

  So, yeah.

• 1:08:19Speaker 04

  Thanks for sharing. That's a great, it's a great.

• 1:08:20Speaker 05

  Great day of elk coming.

• 1:08:22Speaker 06

  Yeah. And Seth, really quick, since you went through the.

• 1:08:24Speaker 05

  Trouble of sending it to me. Oh.

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:08:27Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 1:08:28Speaker 04

  Look at that handsome young buck. At 25 years old. He's got a full mustache.

• 1:08:32Speaker 06

  Still.

• 1:08:32Speaker 04

  That's really nice.

• 1:08:33Speaker 06

  Way to go.

• 1:08:34Speaker 05

  He has an Asian. VHA sticker on his, uh.

• 1:08:37Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:08:37Speaker 05

  Yeah, on the rifle?

• 1:08:38Speaker 04

  You're, you're walking the walk and talking the talk.

• 1:08:41Speaker 06

  And Rick knows I would take a good picture.

• 1:08:42Speaker 05

  I was wearing First Light back then too, and wearing FHF.

• 1:08:45Speaker 04

  Well, not all of us were doing side work for First Light and FHF and getting free stuff all the time.

• 1:08:51Speaker 05

  No, I bought that stuff.

• 1:08:52Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 1:08:54Speaker 06

  I would have been wearing some Walmart special.

• 1:08:56Speaker 04

  That brings us to the end of today's program. We've got a little bit of time for listener feedback.

• 1:09:02Speaker 05

  I know Yanis is hungry. Uh, I will, the one, the first question I will bring up is from Next Gun. It says, why is Yanis not in Wisconsin?

• 1:09:08Speaker 06

  Oh, capital question.

• 1:09:09Speaker 04

  Good question. That is a great question. My cameras are blowing up. Everybody's killing deer in Wisconsin and I'm not going for, until a week from Friday. I'm going on the 7th. Because I'm gonna be at the Milwaukee Meat Eater Store on the 7th.

• 1:09:23Speaker 06

  Hey.

• 1:09:24Speaker 04

  Uh, for a meet and greet. So if you're anywhere near Milwaukee, you've already killed a buck and you don't need to be in the woods on the 7th in the evening, come and see me at the Meat Eater Store in Milwaukee. But, uh, yeah, I'll be hunting, uh, on the 8th, Saturday morning.

• 1:09:36Speaker 05

  In my opinion, Yanni, the 8th is the best day out of the year to be in the woods. So you'll be there. I'll be there. That's great.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  Phil, what else we got here?

• 1:09:43Speaker 05

  Uh, Spencer asks, what's for lunch?

• 1:09:46Speaker 04

  Hmm, what is for lunch? Uh, Bozeman Market in Delhi.

• 1:09:50Speaker 05

  Oh, great.

• 1:09:50Speaker 04

  Your choice. You mean the same place we ate yesterday?

• 1:09:52Speaker 05

  Yanis' favorite place in town.

• 1:09:55Speaker 06

  Yum.

• 1:09:55Speaker 05

  Uh, Crank says that they shot a buck while listening to the podcast.

• 1:09:57Speaker 04

  That's awesome.

• 1:09:59Speaker 06

  That's awesome.

• 1:10:00Speaker 05

  Way to go.

• 1:10:00Speaker 04

  Send that in. We'll, we'll air it, uh, the next time I host.

• 1:10:04Speaker 06

  How did you manage to do that?

• 1:10:05Speaker 04

  Actually, maybe we'll even have Crank as a guest. Crank, email radio at the meat eater dot com.

• 1:10:12Speaker 05

  Is that right?

• 1:10:13Speaker 04

  Is that right, Phil?

• 1:10:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, it sounds right.

• 1:10:15Speaker 04

  Yeah, let's, let's, uh, let's, let's hear the story of shooting a buck while listening to Meat Eater Radio Live.

• 1:10:20Speaker 06

  My guess is from the truck.

• 1:10:22Speaker 05

  Maybe a big old deer blind.

• 1:10:24Speaker 04

  Let's let him tell his story. Him or her.

• 1:10:26Speaker 06

  Oh, it's just, yeah, mystery.

• 1:10:27Speaker 05

  Canadian Hunter 21, a question for Randall. You just said, oh, to be 25 again. I'm turning 25. Five in a few months, what should I be planning for to make the most out of being 25? Killing holes.

• 1:10:36Speaker 04

  Look at that bridge in your profile picture.

• 1:10:39Speaker 05

  I bet a catfish lives under that.

• 1:10:41Speaker 04

  That's what I was thinking. That's the first thing I thought.

• 1:10:43Speaker 05

  One or two.

• 1:10:44Speaker 04

  If I was 25 again, mm.

• 1:10:48Speaker 04

  That's a great question.

• 1:10:50Speaker 06

  Go for a big hike that your 40 year old self would be like, holy cow.

• 1:10:53Speaker 04

  Think about, think about a place where you'd be like, there's nobody 40 years old that can be in here elk hunting. And then I'd go there.

• 1:11:00Speaker 06

  Yeah, there you go. Go do something stupid.

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  And I'd just eat everything.

• 1:11:04Speaker 05

  Nate says, how early do I start monitoring questions for chat? Can I dump them before the waiting music even starts? Yes, you can get them in early. I can see them. Uh, it makes my job easier, actually.

• 1:11:15Speaker 06

  Phil doesn't lose anything.

• 1:11:16Speaker 05

  Uh, Mogor, our guy. Yesterday I watched the meat eater muzzleloader episode. Steve mentioned that Seth is really skilled with it, but my question is, have Randall or Corey ever had the chance to harvest game with a muzzle?

• 1:11:26Speaker 04

  Nope.

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  A loader.

• 1:11:27Speaker 06

  No, I'm usually tagged out by then.

• 1:11:31Speaker 05

  Uh, let's see, Lori, I don't think there's any bird people in this room, but Lori's asking what your go to grouse slayer is.

• 1:11:39Speaker 06

  Ooh. Shotgun?

• 1:11:42Speaker 05

  She might be asking for more specifics, but you know.

• 1:11:44Speaker 06

  Mine's an arrow with a judo point. Typically in archery season when I'm chasing elk.

• 1:11:50Speaker 05

  Hmm. 12 gauge.

• 1:11:52Speaker 06

  22s are great too, though.

• 1:11:53Speaker 04

  22s are great. The only grouse I've killed have been with 22 caliber pistols.

• 1:11:58Speaker 05

  Great. Well, Yanis is looking at his phone. He looks, he looks starved.

• 1:12:01Speaker 04

  Yanis, how many more listener questions should we hit?

• 1:12:03Speaker 05

  Bored.

• 1:12:04Speaker 04

  One more. Let's do one more.

• 1:12:05Speaker 05

  One more. Uh, I really, Aaron says, I recently brined a turkey breast for 24 hours, but it came out too salty. How long do y'all brine? Yanni, this was a good question for you.

• 1:12:17Speaker 06

  Uh, yeah, it's, it sounds like that was too long. I believe that in the meat eater cookbook, it's like six.

• 1:12:23Speaker 04

  To eight, um, if that happens, uh, you can desalt a Brian turkey breast by just putting it into, uh, just plain cold water and it'll actually suck through osmosis, the salt will come back out into the water. Um, but, uh, yeah, I guess you could, you could check it by just cutting a little sliver off the turkey breast next time and frying it real quick and eating it and seeing how salty it is.

• 1:12:47Steven Rinella?

  Well, that was the most substantive thing that's been said in the past 66 minutes. So I think that's a good place to wrap up. Corey, Seth, as always, a true pleasure. Phil, the engineer, wonderful job. We'll streamline our process next week. So folks out there, we thank you for listening and we will see you next week. Happy hunting.

• 1:13:12Speaker 05

  Thanks, guys. Happy Halloween.

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