Trail Tales 94: P***y Poltergeists, Dirtbag Dads & Wholesome Hauntings

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• 1:15Danielle LaRock?

  Hello, everyone, and welcome back to National Park After Dark. My name's Danielle.

• 1:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm Cassie, and we're here for another Trail Tales.

• 1:22Danielle LaRock?

  Here we go. Mine first one is so long, so I feel like I should just get into it.

• 1:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  Let's do it.

• 1:29Danielle LaRock?

  Why keep the people waiting? You know what I mean?

• 1:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'm done waiting. I need to know.

• 1:33Danielle LaRock?

  I've had about enough of sitting here. It's, yeah, okay, hold on.

• 1:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  For this whole 10 seconds, I've had enough. Get into the story.

• 1:41Danielle LaRock?

  Hold on, I don't even know where it is.

• 1:43Cassandra Yahnian?

  Hurry up.

• 1:44Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, my God.

• 1:46Danielle LaRock?

  Cut what you feel is necessary of that.

• 1:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  It all stays in.

• 1:51Danielle LaRock?

  My first story is titled "An Odd Occurrence in the Dunes." What kind of dunes do you think? Take your bet. Great Sand Dunes or Indiana Dunes?

• 2:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  Indiana Dunes.

• 2:02Danielle LaRock?

  All right, let's see. Hey y'all, my name is Catherine and I'm 44 and living in the suburbs of Houston, Texas. Love the podcast so much and have been enjoying following your journeys and adventures over the last few years. I often stockpile episodes until I finally say, "Okay, I need my girls." Then I binge all the episodes I've built up and it's always exactly the dose of history, education, and humor that I need. I am so happy for all you two have accomplished for the example you set for other young women out there, and I can't wait to see what the future holds for you both.

• 2:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's so nice.

• 2:35Danielle LaRock?

  Did she just call us young women?

• 2:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  Am I? Young? Okay.

• 2:42Danielle LaRock?

  Every summer, my son Freddie, now 12, but 10 when the story takes place, and I go to Colorado for a week together.

• 2:49Cassandra Yahnian?

  I was wrong. But that's okay. I'm excited for Colorado.

• 2:53Danielle LaRock?

  It has been just him and I for the last 11 years, so we are very close and love going on adventures together. During our annual trip, we do all the typical summertime Colorado stuff. Hiking, horseback riding, river rafting, soaking in the hot springs, and so forth. We stay in our family cabin in the San Juan Mountains, not far from Great Sand Dunes National Park. As Freddie got older, he started to beg me to rent one of the either sleds or sandboards they offer at the entry to the park. First, we rented the sandboards. To say the least, neither of us were successful with those. The next year, July 4th, 2024, to be exact, we rented the sleds. I feel like the sleds were harder, were they not? When we did them?

• 3:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Did I do the sled?

• 3:35Danielle LaRock?

  Because we got the boards and then the other, some of the other travelers we were with got the sleds, and I feel like they were harder to

• 3:43Cassandra Yahnian?

  Move.

• 3:44Danielle LaRock?

  Move around and

• 3:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. Sandboarding's hard too, though. And there's nothing really that holds your feet in place. It was, yeah.

• 3:52Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 3:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's tough.

• 3:55Danielle LaRock?

  The man that rented the sleds to us gave us very clear safety instructions, namely to keep the nose of the sled up, that is, hold on to the straps provided while leaning our bodies back when riding. This prevents the nose of the sled from dipping down into the sand, which could cause the rider to lurch forward and lose control of the sled. In the off chance that did happen, the man advised us to bail out as fast as possible, distancing ourselves from the sled. "Yeah, yeah, got it, thanks," we say as we excitedly load up the truck. We pull in at the dunes and off we go, lugging the heavy sleds through the parking lot, across the small creek at the base of the dunes, across the seemingly endless flat stretch, and up the first group of dunes. When I say "heavy," these things

• 4:39Danielle LaRock?

  are solid wood. They seem to be about double the thickness of a snowboard. We are also hot, because we have learned from past tracks on the dunes that if it's a windy day, you want to have long layers on to cover your skin. That sand can sting. Freddie's got a thin hoodie on, and I brought a breathable shirt. Freddie wanted to get away from the crowds in the middle of the dunes, so we venture off to the far right side where there was no one around. I'm talking not a single soul other than us. No one where we are about one quarter of the way up the dunes and no one above us or below us. Empty. We find a nice, fairly steep slope, and I go down first to test it out. Everything goes smoothly. I'm not going at a quick pace by any means, but I get carried steadily

• 5:23Danielle LaRock?

  down without having to readjust the sled too much. Once I reach the bottom, I carried my sled out of the way, clearing the path for Freddie to make his descent. With his lighter weight, he zips down at full speed, and I am happy that it is actually working for him. Just as I am about ready to celebrate his awesome run with him, the nose of his sled wedges into the sand and the rear of the board pops up behind him. It all happens way too fast for him to recall the advice to bail out as fast as possible, and the edge of the sled lands right on top of his head. I'm already rushing over to him and can see the blood spurting out of his head. I'm trying to stay calm and think about how we can keep sand from getting into the wound, how I can carry both sleds all the way back

• 6:05Danielle LaRock?

  to the truck, where the nearest hospital is, how I'm gonna do all of this on my own, and so forth. I know there's a clinic about thirty minutes away, but the closest ER is about forty-five minutes away. And this is only once we start driving. We still have to trek all the way back to the truck. With it being Fourth of July, I didn't know what to expect either. Right when I reach Freddy, a young man appears about fifteen feet away, out of nowhere. I am telling y'all, there has been no one around this entire time. He is by himself and is carrying one normal sixteen-ounce unopened water bottle and is wearing a black long-sleeved shirt and black jeans. Without saying anything, he hands me his water bottle and I immediately rinse the

• 6:49Danielle LaRock?

  sand and blood off of Freddy's head. After I do this, we carefully remove Freddy's outer layer to avoid getting more sand in the wound, and I have him apply pressure to his head with it. The young man grabs one of the sleds, I grab the other, and we all walk back up and over the dunes, across the long stretch, and over the small creek. The whole time we are walking, the young man is looking all around us as though he is lost and is trying to orient himself. We had been making small talk the entire time. He is about my height, five-six, looks to be Hispanic, Mexican, and Native American, between fifteen and seventeen years old, and speaks very little English. I speak a little Spanish, so we got by. I asked if he

• 7:31Danielle LaRock?

  was alone, and he said he was not, that his family is there, and points to the top of the dunes. But I see no one the way he is pointing. I ask where he is from. He asked me if Texas is near Mexico, and I say yes, that they share a border. He says he is from around there somewhere. I'm not sure what to make of all of this. Did he just come over the border and doesn't want to let me know he isn't from the US? Where is his family? Why is he looking all around? Why wasn't his water bottle open if he had been all the way at the top of the dunes? Why didn't he know where he was from? How did he appear out of nowhere, right when I needed somebody? He hands the second sled back to me, and we keep walking towards the parking lot.

• 8:16Danielle LaRock?

  Between the creek and the parking lot, there is a small area with showers out in the open, so people can wash their feet and things off before getting back into their vehicles. We all walk into the shower area, making our way towards the parking lot. Before stepping into the parking lot, I turned to thank him for the water, for the help, for the company, and for the distraction. He was truly a lifesaver. He made me feel so safe and calm. I turned to tell him all of this, and he is gone. I mean, gone, gone. He handed me the sled, was right behind us, and then had disappeared. I took about a minute to look for him before we had to continue onto the truck. We ended up going all the way to the ER.

• 8:56Danielle LaRock?

  The bleeding had stopped, he had no symptoms of a concussion, and I felt as though it was safe to spend the time getting there. The ER was empty and we were seen right away. They felt like he was okay and didn't need a single staple or stitch. They gave us some packs of gauze, told us we should cancel the horseback riding for the next day, and sent us on our way. Once we got back to the cabin and were able to sit and process, I was finally able to reflect on the entire experience. That's when I remembered that the young man had a really interesting name. He said his name was Uriel. The name sounded almost biblical, so I decided to Google it. It turns out that Uriel is the name of an archangel. He is the angel of wisdom, prophecy, and illumination.

• 9:39Danielle LaRock?

  He is believed to help people find divine guidance, solve problems, and let go of destructive emotions like fear or anger. According to NPAD law, we know there is no such thing as a coincidence. And that's when it really hit me, and I felt the true weight of what happened. The unlikelihood of him coming out of nowhere, the unopened water bottle we used to wash away the blood and sand, his help and calmness as he led us to safety, and his name. I truly feel like an angel was sent to guide us in our time of need. What is the angel equivalent to "you got haunted, maybe you got guided"? What do y'all think? Was Uriel an angel? The rest of the trip went smoothly, and though we have since returned to the great sand dunes without further incident,

• 10:24Danielle LaRock?

  we are always scanning sand, enjoying the view, and watching our backs in case we might spot our angel again. Thank you for all you do to bring light to the stories of national parks and beyond. Thank you for the levity and the heart with which you share those stories, events, and tales. And thank you so much for sharing ours. All our love, Catherine and Freddie.

• 10:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  I think that the universe sends us angels all the time and they come in all different forms. And I think that you certainly got an angel that day that helped you get out of a sticky situation.

• 10:57Danielle LaRock?

  Mm hmm. I loved that one.

• 11:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, that's a good one. And I could picture the whole thing because we have also been sandboarding, sledding in the sand dunes. And we also know it's even though the sand dunes, it doesn't look like you're venturing that far from the parking lot because you can see it. It takes so long and walking through sand is really difficult. It just makes everything so much harder. So even when you feel like you're close, it takes so much longer than you think. Once you're out there.

• 11:28Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, it's very disorienting and it can be deceptive as far as how far because you're always like, I want to go one more dune or just it's right over there.

• 11:39Cassandra Yahnian?

  And then you just suddenly you're so far away.

• 11:43Cassandra Yahnian?

  And you can't sandboard back because sandboarding is hard. And there's also like a long, flat stretch as well.

• 11:54Cassandra Yahnian?

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• 14:32Danielle LaRock?

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• 14:41Danielle LaRock?

  You know, every time I think of the sand dunes, Great Sand Dunes National Park, I think of my favorite fact.

• 14:49Cassandra Yahnian?

  What's your favorite fact?

• 14:51Danielle LaRock?

  I will tell you right now. So I'm pretty sure I heard this from Neil deGrasse Tyson. Um, I'm not sure if he is the original creator of this fact. I don't know. He's really smart.

• 15:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  Can you create an effect?

• 15:07Danielle LaRock?

  If you discover something. He didn't discover it, never mind. So he's definitely, I heard it from his mouth, though.

• 15:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  Okay.

• 15:15Danielle LaRock?

  And I trust him a lot. So there are more, according to Neil deGrasse Tyson. So if it's wrong, don't get mad at me. You know who to go for. There are more stars in the universe than there are grains of sand on planet Earth.

• 15:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  Interesting. How many Titanic's is that?

• 15:34Danielle LaRock?

  I don't even, don't get me started. I don't know.

• 15:38Danielle LaRock?

  I can't take this shit right now.

• 15:39Cassandra Yahnian?

  Now, that would be my favorite pact.

• 15:42Danielle LaRock?

  You figure it out and tell me.

• 15:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  I'll get back to you on that one.

• 15:46Danielle LaRock?

  Okay. That's my favorite pact.

• 15:48Cassandra Yahnian?

  Interesting.

• 15:49Danielle LaRock?

  The universe is really cool.

• 15:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  The universe is cool. It's nice to be here.

• 15:53Danielle LaRock?

  Yep. Sometimes.

• 15:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Occasionally. Anyway, we'll get into my next story, which is titled Dirtbag Dad Animal Encounter Two for One. Hi Danielle and Cassie. I recently listened to the Trail Tales episode where you requested Dirtbag Dad and Animal Encounter Stories. And I have a wonderful two for for you. It doesn't really have anything to do with the outdoors, but I hope it makes you laugh. Last year, my husband Eric, my sister Katie, and her two young kids were staying at my parents' house. We were planning on going to our cousin's wedding the next day. At some point that evening, Katie made an offhand comment that the basement smelled like skunk. And after my dad heard that, he disappeared outside for a second. He came back in and said there had been a skunk living under the shed next to the house,

• 16:39Cassandra Yahnian?

  but he had just put a smoke bomb under the shed to smoke it out. We didn't think anything of it and continued on with our evening. That was a mistake. Dad, Katie, Eric, and I settled in to watch TV and my mom took the boys upstairs for bed. After a few minutes, my sister said, does it smell like smoke in here? Dad said, well, yeah, it was a smoke bomb and got up and went outside. This is so funny already. Like a smoke bomb. You're smoking weed. You're smoking the ganja dad. Okay, we figured out, we figured he was just going out to smoke and thought nothing of it. A few minutes later, the cable went out. Dad was still outside and at this point I am concerned.

• 17:21Cassandra Yahnian?

  I went outside into the backyard and there were flames shooting out the door of the shed. Oh my God, he actually wasn't.

• 17:29Danielle LaRock?

  I thought he was also partaking. Yeah. In the devil's lettuce, but I guess not.

• 17:36Cassandra Yahnian?

  Dad had all of his fire extinguishers on the ground next to him, trying to put the fire out and flailing. I yelled at him to call the fire department and he said very calmly, no, I've got it. There were flames violently shooting out of the shed and he was out of fire extinguishers. He clearly didn't have it. I ran around the house and dragged the giant hose around to start trying to put the fire out. And at this point, my husband and sister had both made their way outside. What were they doing? You might ask. Eric was looking at his phone, probably asking Chat GPT how to deal with the fire. And Katie was filming a fucking TikTok. She's 32, by the way.

• 18:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  I screamed, call the fucking fire department and started hosing down the fire. Everyone ignored me. Gotta get your TikTok video. The hose was a good idea because we got the fire mostly out. At that point, my dad started dragging all of his destroyed stuff out of the shed. That included several gallons of gasoline, fertilizer, my nephew's destroyed toys, and his brand new lawnmower, which is featured in the attached video. Katie sent one of her videos to a friend whose husband is a fire chief in the nearby city. The friend told her that she should have called the fire department 20 minutes ago. So my husband finally called.

• 19:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  The fire chief, who knows both my dad and Katie, showed up and says, wow, this is a lot worse than I thought it was going to be. After the fire department pulled up the floor of the shed to make sure the fire was out, we didn't find a skunk. So I guess the smoke bomb worked? Question mark. Yeah, I don't think a skunk is gonna hang for that.

• 19:23Cassandra Yahnian?

  Either way, everyone was unharmed. The house is still standing. And we had a good story for the wedding the next day. Feel free to use our names. Everyone in the story deserves to be shamed. I've attached one of my sister's videos and a picture of all the gasoline for your viewing pleasure. Feel free to share, Sam.

• 19:41Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, we get the TikTok too? Amazing.

• 19:43Cassandra Yahnian?

  Hell yeah. We're here for it. That's so funny. Call the fire department. Stop filming a video.

• 19:51Danielle LaRock?

  Stop asking Chat GPT.

• 19:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  For advice.

• 19:55Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 19:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  For life advice.

• 19:58Danielle LaRock?

  For so long, I thought people were saying, I didn't know what Chat GPT was for a little while when it first came on the scene. And for some reason, I kept thinking people were saying Chad, like, I'm gonna ask Chad. I'm like, what the fuck is this?

• 20:14Cassandra Yahnian?

  You're the one who told me what Chat GPT was.

• 20:17Danielle LaRock?

  Once I figured out it wasn't a person named Chad or something.

• 20:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  You knew someone who was using it and you mentioned it. And I was like, what are you talking about?

• 20:26Danielle LaRock?

  Oh.

• 20:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  What even is that? And then you had to explain it to me. And I was like, oh. And then shortly after AI like blew up. Yeah.

• 20:36Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. And now there's like a new thing that I actually just saw last night. This is so timely for the first time. I think it's very similar. I did zero background research, clearly, but I'm pretty sure it's very similar to Chat GPT. Maybe some sort of competitor. But I think it's called Grok or Gronk or something.

• 20:58Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, it's Elon Musk's thing.

• 21:01Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, well, I didn't know, like, I was researching stuff and it came up as a result, almost like tucked in with different articles and webpages.

• 21:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, like the Google, like you Google something and then it pops up as.

• 21:16Danielle LaRock?

  It looks like an article. I'm like, what the heck is Grok? Like, what is this from? Because I need to know the source.

• 21:21Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 21:22Danielle LaRock?

  And I see that it's from Grok and I'm like, what the fuck is Grok? I'm like, oh, my God, it's AI.

• 21:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, I have a big gripe with Google when you Google something and an AI response comes up at first to summarize whatever you were Googling. And there's like a 50 50 chance it's true.

• 21:41Danielle LaRock?

  Well, it's because they pull, it pulls from a multiple different sources that may be legit and also not legit, and then makes it one answer that might be partially true, but also false.

• 21:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 21:55Danielle LaRock?

  It's very misleading. I hate it. Anyway, that reminds me, the same person that you just mentioned about them using ChatGPT, and that's how I figured it out.

• 22:06Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 22:06Danielle LaRock?

  That same person used to always, relating to the story you just told, something that pisses me off so bad that they do all the time. And it's just like an annoying, it's really not that deep, but it really annoys me. Anytime we're driving and there is the smell of a skunk, I mean, we're in New England. I feel like you smell them a lot, driving through the backwoods and backroads and things. They're always like, ah, smells like weed. It's like, are we 15 years old?

• 22:40Danielle LaRock?

  Like, to make a point of that and like, stop mid-conversation to say that?

• 22:45Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's like, it's not, but.

• 22:46Danielle LaRock?

  It's not. And even if it was, okay. Like, what am I supposed to say to that?

• 22:53Cassandra Yahnian?

  This is reminding me of like, this is, I think, a little bit more common, but whatever you drive past a farm and someone in the cow, someone in the car is always like, ah, cows.

• 23:06Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. And everyone's like, oh, yeah, cow.

• 23:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 23:09Danielle LaRock?

  Anyway.

• 23:10Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's what it's, that's the energy it's giving.

• 23:14Danielle LaRock?

  Okay. My second story is titled Asked and Answered. Hi Danielle and Cassie. My name is Jelena. Obligatory opening line about how F and awesome you two are and how I love NPAD. I've been wondering when the right time would be to share this trail tale. And this month's newsletter, mention of Ian's birthday, told me that this is the right time. Okay. So this was from April then, because Ian's birthday is April 13th. Danielle, a thank you as well, as your own sharing about asking for signs is what made this story possible. My mom died eight years ago after I spent a year caring for her. She was hilarious, my best friend, and there's just too much to say about how awesome she

• 23:55Danielle LaRock?

  was slash is to even try to summarize. She also promised she would haunt me.

• 24:03Danielle LaRock?

  A woman after my own heart. About a year or so ago, some weird things started happening at my house. I live alone. The power would flicker. Okay, I live in the hills. It happens, I thought. Then my laptop started losing time. The clock would show a time fifteen minutes earlier than it actually was, or two hours earlier. I would reset the clock, but it would keep happening and only happened when I was at home. Then one day, the TV turned on without me turning it on. What made that extra weird? Well, that particular TV was broken. It had stopped working months before, out of the blue, would not turn on with a remote or manually, no matter what I did,

• 24:46Danielle LaRock?

  even when I tried plugging it into a different outlet. So when one day, all of the sudden, this TV turned on out of the blue, I was like, what the actual fuck? And I had this feeling, because all of those things felt playful and not scary. I had a feeling it was my mom playing with me from wherever she is. So Danielle, I remembered you saying that if you want to sign, ask for it directly and specifically. So I did. Mom, if this is you, I want to see three pink things all together at the same time very soon. My mom loved the color pink. Ninety percent of my wardrobe is black and there's nothing pink in my household.

• 25:28Danielle LaRock?

  I went about the rest of my week and the three pink things requests fell out of my mind. About a week after this, I headed up to one of my favorite spots in the world and off the grid Hot Springs Retreat, I rent a cabin at a couple of times a year. I've been going to this property for over fifteen years and I've been there dozens of times. I know the property very well. This trip, I was staying in Cabin Eight, which is all the way at the rear far end of the property, which meant I had to walk the entire length of the retreat to get to the cabin. As I walked up to the cabin, I stopped dead in my tracks. There, at the foot of the steps to my specific cabin and my cabin only, were three pink flowers in a group together.

• 26:10Danielle LaRock?

  I have never seen pink flowers at this retreat in all the years I have been going there. Purple flowers, yellow flowers, all sorts of other things growing, yes, but never pink. I walked back to my car to grab the last of my things and paid attention as I walked through the property again. There were no pink flowers anywhere else on this entire property. And I've been there multiple times since this happened. I've never again seen a single pink flower. I'm sure this was my mom saying hi. I'm sure my mom was haunting me playfully in my house, just as she had promised she would. So, thank you Danielle for teaching me how to enjoy the view and to ask for what you want from the people you love, wherever they may be.

• 26:50Cassandra Yahnian?

  Uh, I love that.

• 26:53Danielle LaRock?

  It's just such a nice wholesome haunting. And that's really all we want.

• 26:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's the only one I will accept. And just have such a wholesome haunts, yeah. And to have it from someone that's so important to you is just really special too.

• 27:07Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 27:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  And I resonate with that. If I die, I would totally haunt you, for sure.

• 27:13Danielle LaRock?

  You wouldn't send me pink flowers.

• 27:17Danielle LaRock?

  I wouldn't ask, okay, let me specify, I wouldn't ask for pink flowers.

• 27:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  I would send them anyway, because I like pink.

• 27:23Danielle LaRock?

  I know. We'll come up with a, we gotta come up with a plan. You know how you estate plan and things, like we have plans for our business if like something is to happen.

• 27:34Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 27:34Danielle LaRock?

  Or at least we are thinking about that. We need haunting plans.

• 27:38Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, that's a good idea.

• 27:41Danielle LaRock?

  But we can't talk about it on air because then, like we can't, it has to be private and personal so that when it does happen, or if, sorry, if it happens, no one else will know.

• 27:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, yeah, we'll figure it out.

• 27:54Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 27:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. All right, well, moving on, my story is titled The Pussy Poltergeist.

• 28:01Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:06Danielle LaRock?

  Is this gonna be a cat or?

• 28:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  Or something else.

• 28:09Danielle LaRock?

  Something else.

• 28:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  Either way, I'm here for it. Starts off strong, says, names were changed in this story. You can call me Lenny. I grew up just outside Detroit in the early 2000s when abandoned buildings were basically our playground. My friends and I were adventurous, beers at sunset on rooftops, urban exploring to scare our suburban boyfriends, always looking for a cheap thrill. One night, bored, we brought a Ouija board into an old cemetery just after midnight. Candles, a blanket, tarot cards, the whole setup. Our friend Mahala refused to enter the cemetery. Correct.

• 28:46Danielle LaRock?

  That would be you.

• 28:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  Correct choice. I'm like, I'm not doing this. Do not bring me in a cemetery at night with a Ouija board.

• 28:53Danielle LaRock?

  I've been at plenty of cemeteries at night, but sans Ouija board.

• 28:57Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 28:58Danielle LaRock?

  None of that. I've never even touched a Ouija board.

• 29:02Cassandra Yahnian?

  I have.

• 29:03Danielle LaRock?

  What?

• 29:03Cassandra Yahnian?

  But I was a child, I didn't know. I didn't know any better.

• 29:07Danielle LaRock?

  Sure.

• 29:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  She does not mess with anything paranormal. Mahala stayed in the car, doors locked, engine running, on the phone with her stupid boyfriend.

• 29:17Danielle LaRock?

  That would be you. Be like, ow.

• 29:21Cassandra Yahnian?

  I just love the added stupid part.

• 29:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  Ow, they're doing something that's making me uncomfortable.

• 29:30Cassandra Yahnian?

  Inside, nothing much happened. We messed around with the Ouija board and argued over who was moving it. Then, a loud branch snapped behind us. We all jumped. The energy changed instantly and we were all commenting on how badly we had to pee. Back to the car we went. The next day, the pussy poltergeist started. Vivian was first. She slipped getting onto her dad's tall bicycle and came down hard on the crossbars, splitting her labia open with a one inch gash.

• 30:03Danielle LaRock?

  Oh, it's that kind of pussy.

• 30:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  I take it back, I'm not down for this. Okay. Insane, there was blood everywhere. She needed over 15 stitches and could not go swimming for weeks.

• 30:20Danielle LaRock?

  God, that's a hard fall.

• 30:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's like worse than giving birth.

• 30:25Danielle LaRock?

  That, okay. Take that back immediately. You're gonna, I don't want your head on a spike.

• 30:28Cassandra Yahnian?

  I mean, the stitches, the stitches. Okay.

• 30:31Danielle LaRock?

  I don't know. What's that thing called where they from your

• 30:35Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, when you tear all the way?

• 30:37Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, sometimes they just cut it.

• 30:39Cassandra Yahnian?

  What do you mean, just cut it?

• 30:41Danielle LaRock?

  Sometimes they do that.

• 30:42Cassandra Yahnian?

  And leave one hole.

• 30:43Danielle LaRock?

  They're like, you're gonna tear and it's gonna be an easier.

• 30:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, you mean before they give birth?

• 30:48Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 30:49Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, God, that.

• 30:51Danielle LaRock?

  I don't know much about childbirth, but from what I do know, I know.

• 30:55Cassandra Yahnian?

  We need to get out of, we need to get out of the ancient times. Yeah. Yeah, it's horrific what they do to women and we need to study women's health a little bit better. Anyway, two days later, it was my turn. I developed a massive mar- Bartholin cyst that was on the verge of rupturing, painful enough to need a procedure and stitches to fix it. That same day, Audra had a severe UTI that sent her to the hospital. Then Georgia had a pregnancy scare again. You're ruthless to your friends, by the way. Again.

• 31:33Danielle LaRock?

  You don't have to say the again part was unnecessary.

• 31:37Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's just so funny. Then it was Jess's turn. She got a yeast infection so bad that she had to postpone losing her virginity to her Macedonian boyfriend before he moved back overseas.

• 31:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  You're just dropping the T. I see why all the names were changed.

• 31:57Danielle LaRock?

  She had to postpone her virginity.

• 31:59Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's fucked up. Yeah, serious. I mean, you don't want to lose your virginity with a yeast infection.

• 32:06Danielle LaRock?

  This poltergeist is coming for the.

• 32:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  You weren't kidding. I thought this might be about cats, but it is not. Same week, same part of the body, every one of us who went into that cemetery, except Mahala, the only one who stayed in the car, the only one who refused to enter the cemetery, she was completely fine. Maybe it was a coincidence. No, it wasn't. Maybe it was bad luck, or just a string of unfortunate medical issues that can impact teenage girls, but we still firmly believe it was the pussy poltergeist.

• 32:41Danielle LaRock?

  It's like Final Destination for your vaginas.

• 32:44Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, I'm in pain just thinking about it.

• 32:48Danielle LaRock?

  That got, that first one really set the-

• 32:51Cassandra Yahnian?

  And that's why you set the tone.

• 32:53Danielle LaRock?

  And that's why you don't-

• 32:54Cassandra Yahnian?

  Bring Ouija boards to cen- to cemeteries.

• 32:58Danielle LaRock?

  This is what you conjure up.

• 33:01Danielle LaRock?

  Consider this as a possibility.

• 33:03Cassandra Yahnian?

  I know, new fear unlocked, but it is-

• 33:05Danielle LaRock?

  This is, this is not a wholesome haunting.

• 33:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  No, this is the opposite.

• 33:10Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 33:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  This is actually one of the worst I've ever heard.

• 33:15Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, moving on. I don't want anything. And that's why I'll never play with an Ouija board.

• 33:21Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 33:21Danielle LaRock?

  She deserves to be safe.

• 33:22Cassandra Yahnian?

  Let's get this energy out of here because we can't summon-

• 33:25Danielle LaRock?

  Say, yeah.

• 33:26Cassandra Yahnian?

  This to any of our listeners or ourselves.

• 33:29Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah. Okay.

• 33:30Cassandra Yahnian?

  Stay safe, everybody.

• 33:32Danielle LaRock?

  Stay safe.

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• 34:40Danielle LaRock?

  My last story is titled "A Family Tale of Dogs, Trees, and One Very Unfortunate First Impression." Hi, Cassie and Danielle. First off, I love the podcast. You are both fantastic.

• 34:52Cassandra Yahnian?

  Thank you.

• 34:53Danielle LaRock?

  I've gotten a little behind lately, so I've been playing catch-up, and I recently listened to a Trail Tale episode that had dog psychics and family lore. It immediately reminded me of a story from my own family that felt oddly on-brand. It's not exactly a Trail Tale, but it is a multi-generation story involving dogs, the outdoors, and one moment that still haunts my husband to this very day.

• 35:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  We're all about the haunts today.

• 35:20Danielle LaRock?

  And it all starts with my grandpa. He was a lifelong farmer with a deep love for the outdoors, especially trees and dogs. Border collies in particular were his thing. Over the years, he raised and rescued more dogs than I could ever count. They weren't just animals to him, they were everything. One of the stories he told me goes back to the 1960s. A tornado hit the farm, and my grandpa rushed to get all of the dogs to safety. He managed to get every single one inside, except for one. The tornado tore through, ripping part of the roof off of a shed and taking the missing dog with it. About an hour later, while he was assessing the damage, my grandpa got a phone call. The

• 36:01Danielle LaRock?

  dog had been found, alive, completely fine, just very confused as it had landed over six miles away on the edge of town.

• 36:12Cassandra Yahnian?

  Was picked up and by this...

• 36:15Danielle LaRock?

  Tornado.

• 36:16Cassandra Yahnian?

  Tornado and thrown six miles.

• 36:17Danielle LaRock?

  The hands of God. Yes.

• 36:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  That's the ultimate, like, surviving the...

• 36:23Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, yeeted six miles.

• 36:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  Not the cow spinning, but a little poor dog. That's so sad. No, Lassie, no.

• 36:32Danielle LaRock?

  That's a collie. Oh, are they? No, I'm thinking of something else. I'm thinking of like, a black and white dog that heard sheep.

• 36:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  Also a collie.

• 36:42Danielle LaRock?

  Are they then not the same thing? They're different.

• 36:44Cassandra Yahnian?

  There's like the border collies and then the other collies.

• 36:48Danielle LaRock?

  A collie, you're right.

• 36:49Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, I think they're just different types of collies.

• 36:52Danielle LaRock?

  It doesn't matter. Okay. He went and picked it up and the dog went on to live a long, happy life. But I've always wondered what that dog would have said to a psychic. Probably something along the lines of, "I went to Oz and back, do not recommend." Fast forward a few decades, imagine you're a dog psychic and you're like, "I have no idea what this is."

• 37:14Danielle LaRock?

  It's like, "You won't believe this, but I'm seeing a tornado. Did this dog survive a tornado?"

• 37:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  Like, this dog can fly.

• 37:21Danielle LaRock?

  Talking to the real deal. You know what I mean?

• 37:24Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, that's how you test them.

• 37:27Danielle LaRock?

  Fast forward a few decades to the first time my now husband met my grandpa. We were out at the farm with my sister, clearing invasive cedar trees in the pasture and working on the garden. It was also the first time my husband met my soul dog, Sandy, who had come from my grandpa's last litter. My grandpa had kept Sandy for me for two years until I graduated college. At this point, my grandpa was still living on the farm, though his health wasn't great. He had become more emotional and sentimental over time. So there we are, deep in chainsaw mode, clearing, did I mention invasive cedars near the garden? My grandpa is about 5'1" and my husband is 6'6". This is their very first day meeting.

• 38:09Danielle LaRock?

  I point to a cedar tree near the garden and with full confidence tell my husband, "Cut that bitch down." He starts cutting. From across the yard, my grandpa suddenly yells, "No, no, no, no, no, don't cut that tree down." Too late. The tree comes down quickly. My husband turns off the chainsaw, turns around and sees my grandpa standing there, head drooped, visibly emotional. "That's the tree all my dogs are buried under," he said. Cue absolute silence.

• 38:42Danielle LaRock?

  Now, to be fair, this was not clearly marked. We have had hundreds of dogs over the years and they are buried all over the farm. I knew one was buried somewhere near the garden, but I had no idea it was near that tree. Also worth noting, the dog buried there had passed about 10 years earlier and wasn't even one of my grandpa's personal dogs. It was my sister and my dog. Still, in that moment, it clearly was a big deal. My sister is trying not to laugh while comforting my grandpa. Meanwhile, my poor husband, who had literally just met my family that day, was completely mortified. He couldn't believe I had told him to cut down a tree that

• 39:24Danielle LaRock?

  turned out to be a dog's grave marker. Yeah, that it's like, have you heard the thing? It's like, you're right. It's not my fault. It's your fault. You told me to do this. And the whole time Sandy is just watching this unfold, watching his future dad unknowingly cut down the resting place of one of his ancestors. Honestly, I would pay good money to hear what Sandy was thinking in that moment. I guess I'm gonna have to get a dog psychic. My grandpa has since passed away and every time we go back home, Sandy still runs straight into his bedroom to look for him. Oh, God.

• 40:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  This story is so sad, like all of it.

• 40:04Danielle LaRock?

  It absolutely wrecks me every time. Thankfully, my grandpa Like, I don't want to hear this again, actually. Looking back now, the story has become one of those things that we laugh about constantly as my grandpa ended up loving my husband. It gets told far and wide, mostly just to tease him. At the time, though, he was convinced he had completely ruined his chances with my family in under five minutes. For the record, I fully take the blame. I was the one who told him to cut the tree down. More than anything, this whole story reminds me how much my grandpa shaped who I am. He gave me my love of dogs, the outdoors, and conservation. He was always ahead of his time when it came to sustainable and conservation-focused agriculture, and that's influenced my entire path in agriculture today.

• 40:51Danielle LaRock?

  visited any national parks in his 86 years of life, but he had a deep respect for nature and all living things. He was always rescuing animals, caring for the land and making sure the farm would be better for the next generation. And of course, he made sure we were never short on dogs. Thank you for all the work you do on the podcast. I hope you enjoyed the slightly chaotic family tale. I've attached a picture of my husband and grandpa about a year after the story, as well as a picture of my dad with Sandy and Willow. Enjoy the view, but make sure you check the tree before you cut it down. It might just be a grave marker. Isabel, I had a happy ending.

• 41:27Cassandra Yahnian?

  It did, but I just can't get your sweet little five foot one grandpa's. I don't even know what he looks like, but I see him just like drooped and sad after seeing that like he wasn't, he didn't get there in time to say not to cut it. And that hurts my heart.

• 41:45Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah, it does hurt.

• 41:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  I hope, I wonder if you guys planted another tree there.

• 41:49Danielle LaRock?

  I feel like that would have been a detail they would have included if they did. So if you didn't, maybe that's a good idea to do like in memory, like maybe for your grandpa's like birthday or celebration of him in some way. Just a thought.

• 42:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  Just a thought.

• 42:02Danielle LaRock?

  We're not here to

• 42:03Cassandra Yahnian?

  Knowing this very, very limited story, here is our advice on your

• 42:09Danielle LaRock?

  Replant an invasive cedar tree.

• 42:11Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah.

• 42:12Danielle LaRock?

  It's what we're trying to say.

• 42:13Cassandra Yahnian?

  And that's conservation.

• 42:19Cassandra Yahnian?

  We're just kidding. Okay. My next story is titled, Maybe It Isn't The Time To Ask Google. Hey ladies, thank you for this amazing podcast and keeping us all informed and educated about our national parks. You have accompanied me to work for a while now, and I have gained a deeper appreciation for nature since listening to your podcast. Keep up the great work. I wanted to start this off by saying I am fully aware of the flak I am going to receive from this story as it is not my finest moment. I was recently telling my mom about how so many people misidentify a mountain lion, and she agreed that people should be informed about these animals and what they look like in order to stay safe and prevent

• 43:01Cassandra Yahnian?

  Necessary panic. This brings me to a memory I and two others on this trip have hidden away for years. In 2023, me and my uncle and aunt were on our first hike of the year. We had decided to become more outdoorsy and decided to hike this trail in Northern California. The whole drive there, 16-year-old me was giddy with excitement for this hike as it would be my first moderate hike that wasn't as well-known. As we got to the trailhead, we had to stop the car as the potholes in the road were too deep for us to drive through. So we ended up walking about half a mile to get to the actual trail. As we were approaching the actual trail, we saw camp trailers parked nearby that were weirding us out because they looked like they had been living there.

• 43:46Cassandra Yahnian?

  It was as if the universe was telling us to turn around now. Everyone's guard was up and being young and oblivious, I shouted, "What if we see a bear?" And while I was quickly reassured that we wouldn't see one, it only raised my uncle and aunt's worries. The trail was supposed to take us roughly a couple hours and loop us right back to the car. About halfway through, our tensions had eased and we were thoroughly enjoying the heck out of this beautiful trail. We were nearing the last quarter of the trail and all seemed fine with me in front of the group. We had been staring in awe at the tall trees when I swept my eyes to the path in front of me. It took me a second to understand what I was looking at.

• 44:25Cassandra Yahnian?

  A big dog, my brain thought first, "Nope, bear," I shouted and pointed ahead before I even knew what was happening. My aunt and uncle both looked ahead as we all stood frozen staring at this brown bear who was also frozen. Now here is where my lack of awareness and common sense stepped in. Instead of following any instructions I had heard in school or on class camping trips, I instead pulled out my phone and Googled, "What do you do when you see a bear?" Mind you, we were in middle school. This is like linking all back to the chat GPT. What do I do for a fire? Mind you, we were all in the middle of the woods, so I didn't exactly have service.

• 45:08Cassandra Yahnian?

  We all waited patiently for my phone to load.

• 45:11Danielle LaRock?

  That's not the problem. That's not what I was like, mind you, I didn't have service. So silly, but

• 45:19Danielle LaRock?

  that's not the problem.

• 45:20Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's just like this visual is so funny. It's like we could, it's like we all waited patiently for my phone to load. It's like

• 45:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  it's just there's a bears and you're both staring at each other. It's like, please hold.

• 45:34Danielle LaRock?

  Where is this taking place again?

• 45:36Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's in Northern California.

• 45:38Danielle LaRock?

  Okay.

• 45:39Cassandra Yahnian?

  So it must've been a black bear.

• 45:40Danielle LaRock?

  Yeah.

• 45:41Cassandra Yahnian?

  They're waiting for a few seconds, but within seconds of me looking up what to do, the bear made its way off the trail and down the embankment. We continued our hike on high alert and safely made it back to our car. More of the story, maybe Googling what to do when you see a bear is not the best time when you're actively seeing a bear. We have not spoken about this incident since that car trip home, Rihanna.

• 46:04Danielle LaRock?

  Okay. Yeah. Between.

• 46:05Cassandra Yahnian?

  I bet you know what to do now, though.

• 46:07Danielle LaRock?

  I would hope. Did it ever load?

• 46:09Cassandra Yahnian?

  I don't know.

• 46:10Danielle LaRock?

  Google it now. Just.

• 46:12Cassandra Yahnian?

  Google it now. Everyone who is not in front of a bear right now, if you are not sure.

• 46:16Danielle LaRock?

  Now's the time.

• 46:17Cassandra Yahnian?

  Now's the time. You're safe. Friends, we're not judging. This is a safe place unless you're listening to this and there's a bear in front of you.

• 46:26Danielle LaRock?

  Right. Which then you're too late.

• 46:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  Judging you.

• 46:31Danielle LaRock?

  Okay, great. Well, uh, we each have another bonus story for you or a bonus story, not another. We only have one each. Uh, mine is titled Jeffrey, the cobbler killer of Cades Cove.

• 46:44Cassandra Yahnian?

  Oh, shit.

• 46:46Danielle LaRock?

  Sounds dangerous.

• 46:47Cassandra Yahnian?

  Mine is I found my doppelganger in the haunted courthouse on Route 66.

• 46:53Danielle LaRock?

  God, I was on one when I was putting this together, however long ago. I feel proud of myself. I'm intrigued by all of these.

• 47:00Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah, me too. Great job.

• 47:01Danielle LaRock?

  Not to say I'm never intrigued. You know what I'm saying.

• 47:04Cassandra Yahnian?

  It's just to find the way they've come together with all the hauntings and signs and Googling and ChatGPT all kind of came together in this one.

• 47:12Danielle LaRock?

  All going together.

• 47:13Cassandra Yahnian?

  Yeah. And if you would like to close the loop on this whole circle and find out what happens next, join our subscriptions on Patreon or on Apple subscriptions. You can hang out with us there.

• 47:24Danielle LaRock?

  All righty. And everyone else, we will see you next week. In the meantime, enjoy the view.

• 47:29Cassandra Yahnian?

  But watch your back.

• 47:30Danielle LaRock?

  Bye.

• 47:31Cassandra Yahnian?

  Bye.

• 47:34Danielle LaRock?

  Thanks for joining us for another episode. We hope you learned something new and have another location to put on your list. If you want more NPAD content, make sure to follow along with our adventures on all socials at National Park After Dark. For more stories just like this one with the added bonus of exclusive content, you can join us on Patreon or Apple subscriptions. If you prefer to watch our episodes, head over to our YouTube channel. And if you're enjoying the show, please take a moment to rate, review, and subscribe on your favorite listening platform.

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• 48:40Speaker 04

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