ANTHONY FANTANO | Radiohead, Abbey Road, Drake vs. Kendrick

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:01Adam Friedland?

  Should we do the Abbey Road thing or not?

• 1:03Speaker 00

  If you want.

• 1:04Adam Friedland?

  There are like...

• 1:04Speaker 00

  I don't even know what the thing is to you.

• 1:06Adam Friedland?

  Okay, look at how schizophrenic these notes were. This is how angry you're making me.

• 1:09Speaker 00

  Are you talking about a ranking that I did, or just the Abbey Road review?

• 1:13Adam Friedland?

  What do you mean? You ranked the songs in Abbey Road?

• 1:15Speaker 00

  Never mind. You're just talking about my straight-up Abbey Road review. You had an issue with it?

• 1:19Adam Friedland?

  You ranked the Beatles?

• 1:20Speaker 00

  No, stop talking.

• 1:21Adam Friedland?

  Have you ranked the Beatles?

• 1:22Speaker 00

  Listen.

• 1:24Adam Friedland?

  What?

• 1:54Adam Friedland?

  Good evening and welcome back to The Adam Friedland Show. I'm Adam Friedland. If you've been enjoying this new season of the show so far, I'd like to remind you to consider supporting the Adam Friedland Family Foundation right here on youtube.com. Click "Join" right at the top of the YouTube page. You get episodes early, starting this week. You'll get them two days early. For members, you'll get the episode on Wednesday. For the rest of the public, you get it on Friday. My guest this week is none other than YouTuber and music critic Anthony Fantano, who has amassed an audience of over 3 million people here on youtube.com and millions more across other platforms.

• 2:36Adam Friedland?

  It would be safe to say that Fantano is perhaps the world's biggest music critic currently. He's also known as the internet's busiest music nerd, a nickname he gave himself. As the host of a talk show, I'll admit it. I have no idea what it's like to be a YouTuber. So, in an effort to relate, I started my own YouTube project. A social experiment, if you will. I present to you my personal YouTube channel, where I've been sharing some of my music.

• 3:19Adam Friedland?

  I've never admitted this publicly, but I am a practicing acoustic guitar player. After starting this channel only a week ago, I've already seen my audience balloon, over four subscribers worldwide. I've amassed this audience with zero promotion or media attention. I could have easily used my massive platform to promote this project, but I didn't. Because that would have been a corruption of the mission of this project, to peek inside the YouTubers' world.

• 3:54Adam Friedland?

  The feedback has been positive, with the exception of only 6 hateful comments. It was extremely hard work being a YouTuber, and it granted me a new appreciation for the work of men like Fantano, Beast, Pi. Sticking to a content production schedule like this has been frankly grueling. Refreshing my page to check for new subscribers. It affected my personal and professional relationships. I even considered turning to drugs. So before you comment on an Asmongold video, take a moment and think. It may look easy, but these people work extremely hard to bring you some of the best content in the world. Including today's guest. Please enjoy my interview with Anthony Fantano.

• 4:46Adam Friedland?

  Our guest today has amassed over a billion views cross-platform. He is perhaps the biggest music critic in the world. I think that's actually, you could argue that. Everyone, please welcome Anthony Fantano. Bigger. More. More. More.

• 5:09Speaker 00

  How's it going?

• 5:10Adam Friedland?

  Good.

• 5:14Adam Friedland?

  How you doing?

• 5:15Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 5:16Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, I watched your Abbey Road review last night, and it literally infuriated me into not being able to sleep for 2 hours.

• 5:22Speaker 00

  Why?

• 5:23Adam Friedland?

  We're gonna get to that later.

• 5:24Speaker 00

  You just brought it up now.

• 5:26Adam Friedland?

  It really does elicit such a...

• 5:29Speaker 00

  What's wrong with my Abbey Road review?

• 5:30Adam Friedland?

  No, we're gonna get to that later.

• 5:31Speaker 00

  No, tell me.

• 5:32Adam Friedland?

  We're gonna do a whole segment where we go through the... And you're gonna have to defend whatever the...

• 5:36Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 5:37Adam Friedland?

  Insanity is. Who do you think you... You're a... I think you're a psycho. I think you're a sicko. You're going 2X on this crap.

• 5:46Speaker 00

  I'm not listening to all the music that I review casually. I mean, there are a lot of records that I review and I just don't listen again. Either because I don't like it, or maybe it's like, you know, not calling back to me in the way that some other albums are. But like, those albums that do, like, stick with me and I... I am like listening to in a casual way and showing my friends and like seeing a show like you know I mean for example like you know in my downtime. Last year I was listening to Brad a lot, you know, and there was like a lot of.

• 6:13Adam Friedland?

  Brad Pitt.

• 6:15Speaker 00

  Charlie X, yeah.

• 6:16Adam Friedland?

  Oh, that, yeah. But that that's kind of a that.

• 6:21Speaker 00

  Well, because of how much I was listening to that, yeah, there's a lot of stuff that was happening in my life last year that I associate with that album.

• 6:26Adam Friedland?

  I mean, that was that was the biggest album of last year.

• 6:29Speaker 00

  I mean, for me, for a lot of people.

• 6:30Adam Friedland?

  I I guess it's it my does it get exhausting needing to think something about something?

• 6:37Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, absolutely.

• 6:38Adam Friedland?

  Cause for me, I I listened to it. I was like, gay guys are probably having the best time to this, but like, I don't know. It's just. And it's fine.

• 6:46Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 6:46Adam Friedland?

  I I'm glad they they they're having a great time, but it's just like.

• 6:50Speaker 00

  Not everything.

• 6:51Adam Friedland?

  I don't need to have an opinion about it, you know what I mean?

• 6:53Speaker 00

  Everything is gonna appeal to everyone. And I mean, as opinionated as I am about a lot of things like.

• 6:57Adam Friedland?

  And I'm not gay. I'm definitely.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  Yeah, we we know you don't like the album.

• 7:00Adam Friedland?

  I just wanna say, yeah, the apple in the town on the tree.

• 7:03Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:04Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah. I've heard. I mean, it's every it's an Uber and stuff.

• 7:06Speaker 00

  Not not liking Brad is like probably like the straightest thing that you can do.

• 7:11Adam Friedland?

  I don't not like it. I just didn't respond.

• 7:13Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, it doesn't resonate with you.

• 7:14Adam Friedland?

  It did. Yeah, it was just like, uh, I could tell it's like people. There are people that are like, this is. Fucking amazing.

• 7:23Speaker 00

  Right.

• 7:23Adam Friedland?

  And I I feel I'm gonna live forever. And for me, it was just like, I don't know. There's one song that the short one that sounds like Radiohead. I like that one.

• 7:30Speaker 00

  Oh, the with like the sad sense in the background.

• 7:33Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 7:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, no, that's a great one.

• 7:34Adam Friedland?

  It's she's called Charlie IDF, though, right? What are your like, what are your early earliest music memories? Like, how did you get into music? Where you're from Connecticut?

• 7:45Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:46Adam Friedland?

  And your dad's got big muscles and stuff?

• 7:48Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 7:48Adam Friedland?

  He's a bodybuilder?

• 7:49Speaker 00

  He was a powerlifting coach.

• 7:51Adam Friedland?

  And you're a bodybuilder as well?

• 7:52Speaker 00

  I mean, I know how to lift because he taught me, yeah.

• 7:54Adam Friedland?

  It's a family, uh, institute like thing.

• 7:57Speaker 00

  I wouldn't say it's.

• 7:58Adam Friedland?

  Having big old muscles?

• 7:59Speaker 00

  Say it's an institution, but like, you know.

• 8:02Adam Friedland?

  You want your body to match your dad?

• 8:04Speaker 00

  Fuck, no.

• 8:05Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 8:06Speaker 00

  No. He was in very bad shape and bad health for a long time because of how far he kind of pushed himself.

• 8:11Adam Friedland?

  Oh, because he was lifting too many weights?

• 8:13Speaker 00

  He's torn muscles, had to have surgeries and so on and so forth.

• 8:17Adam Friedland?

  That's ridiculous.

• 8:18Speaker 00

  You know.

• 8:19Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 8:19Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:19Adam Friedland?

  Why would you? Why would you even want to get muscles like fashion muscles is? That's your fault? I guess he was. He was getting other guys buffed, too?

• 8:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, he was a coach.

• 8:30Adam Friedland?

  It must be, is that, is that, was he like a chill dad?

• 8:33Speaker 00

  Oh, no, absolutely not.

• 8:35Adam Friedland?

  If my dad was so buff, I would like, I would have, I wouldn't have liked it.

• 8:39Speaker 00

  He was, he was very imposing, he was very, uh, heavy on the threats.

• 8:44Adam Friedland?

  So why'd you get muscles too? To patch things up, maybe?

• 8:48Speaker 00

  No, I just, I just liked going to the gym.

• 8:51Adam Friedland?

  What was your first, your musical memory?

• 8:53Speaker 00

  First musical memories? That's really what you wanna know?

• 8:56Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, like, why'd you like music? That's why I like music.

• 8:59Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 8:59Adam Friedland?

  Cause I was a kid and my parents played me Paul Simon, Graceland. I remember being a kid and listening to it, it's, there's a nostalgic aspect to it.

• 9:06Speaker 00

  I mean, I love that for you, number one.

• 9:08Adam Friedland?

  That's a little, I don't like, I love that for you. That's what women say to their friends. Um. When they like, they say that, like, when they got a new boyfriend, he's like, "For you." It's kinda also like, it sounds like an old Jewish man, too. "For you, I love, I like that." What do you mean, I, you, you like that for me?

• 9:27Speaker 00

  I do like that for, specifically you.

• 9:29Adam Friedland?

  Why for me? It's a great album, what are you talking about?

• 9:32Speaker 00

  It, it, I don't know if I would want that to be my first, you know, it's like, but, but like,

• 9:37Adam Friedland?

  You infuriate me to know it.

• 9:38Speaker 00

  Honestly, I,

• 9:40Adam Friedland?

  What was your first?

• 9:40Speaker 00

  My parents never had that moment with me like you just described where they sat me down and it's like, hey, this is like,

• 9:45Adam Friedland?

  They didn't do it, it was just in the car and stuff.

• 9:47Speaker 00

  But no, it's like, either way, in the car, whatever, you know, they were never like, you gotta check this out, you know, so it's like, Whatever was kinda popular at the time, like, I just kind of, just, osmosis just took in based on,

• 9:57Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 9:58Speaker 00

  Whether or not it just appealed to me instantly, and that was like, you know, Green Day, it was like Nirvana, it was like TLC, it was like,

• 10:05Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 10:05Speaker 00

  Coolio and Biggie and, you know, just stuff that was popular at the time.

• 10:08Adam Friedland?

  I don't know if I would want that to be my first.

• 10:10Speaker 00

  I mean, I was kind of, you know, again, I, I agree why, I, I agree with your sentiment.

• 10:16Adam Friedland?

  I want you to check this out, then you're, by, by virtue of the fact that you're, they're your parents, you're gonna like it.

• 10:21Speaker 00

  Conversely, I had a lot of friends who were like, into certain bands and certain artists and like, I would hear, I would even like see, You know, them say stuff like this, like, "Turn that garbage off," you know? Like, while my parents like, didn't necessarily push me in any direction, they were kinda down with whatever I felt like I was into, Which I felt like kinda, gave me the ability to just kinda decide on my own what was cool and what wasn't.

• 10:40Adam Friedland?

  They let you listen to what, uh, your, any music?

• 10:43Speaker 00

  Whether it was like metal or rock or rap or pop or whatever, you know, it was like, it was cool.

• 10:47Adam Friedland?

  That's, that's, yeah.

• 10:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 10:49Adam Friedland?

  Do people's parents still do that? I feel like it's like the town from Footloose, they would do that.

• 10:55Speaker 00

  There's like a lot of younger people that watch me and sometimes like when they do kind of describe such experiences to me that I generally get like, you know, um, positive stories about like, oh yeah, my dad's into all these bands that I'm into. Or like, I mean, there's a generational shift now, you know, there's like kids that tell me like, "Yeah, my dad put me on to Sonic Youth." And I'm like, "What the fuck?"

• 11:15Adam Friedland?

  I couldn't name one track.

• 11:17Speaker 00

  Of Sonic Youth?

• 11:18Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, everyone says, acts like it's a...

• 11:20Speaker 00

  I mean, that's, that's fine. It's just funny because like, things have shifted in such a way to where for some parents, that's like oldies now. Like Sonic Youth is oldies.

• 11:28Adam Friedland?

  Oh.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 11:29Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 11:29Speaker 00

  Like Smashing Pumpkins is oldies.

• 11:31Adam Friedland?

  I like, that's a good band.

• 11:33Speaker 00

  They're a good band.

• 11:33Adam Friedland?

  I'll say it this way.

• 11:34Speaker 00

  But they were a new band when I was young.

• 11:36Adam Friedland?

  The one time my parents were like, "I want you to check this out." My mom, and I feel so bad about it, she, she came into my, I was in high school, she was like, "Hey, Adam," like, uh, she had like a CD in her head, she was like, "Hey, Adam, like, you like reggae, right?" And I was like, "Yeah, I love reggae."

• 11:52Speaker 00

  What information was she basing that off of?

• 11:54Adam Friedland?

  She knew I liked Bob Marley and stuff, yeah. I mean, whatever, I mean, it's not that crazy of a thing to know about me. So my mom, so when I was in high school, the one time my parents suggested I, I checked something out, my mom walked in my room, she said, "Hey, Adam, you like reggae, right?" She had a CD in her head. And I was like, "Yeah, I like reggae." And she's like, and then she goes, "Well, there's a rabbi who does reggae." And I got the CD and I thought, and I was like, "Get the [bleep] out of my room right now." I was like, "That will never be cool." That is the worst idea for, I, that is the [bleep] you. I think I said, I called her gay, maybe. I was like, "You're gay, mom." And then I got to school, I went to public school, and my, my non-Jewish friends were like, "Yo, there's this rabbi that does reggae."

• 12:38Speaker 00

  This is the Matas Yahu guy?

• 12:39Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, it was Matas Yahu. It was the most shocking thing in the world.

• 12:42Speaker 00

  He was like so huge when I was in college.

• 12:43Adam Friedland?

  I shouldn't have spoken that way to my mother.

• 12:44Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:45Adam Friedland?

  I can't believe I, I spoke to her that way.

• 12:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 12:47Adam Friedland?

  She was right.

• 12:48Speaker 00

  He popped off when I was in college and a lot of people thought it was cool.

• 12:51Adam Friedland?

  The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

• 12:57Speaker 00

  You know, if you throw around terminology like that, eventually you are gonna get a reggae rabbi. It's gonna happen.

• 13:03Adam Friedland?

  There were like a couple, there were like moments you remember your whole life that like you get shook, where you're like, "This, this has blown my mind." "And this has changed my life." Like, what were a couple of those moments when you were a kid?

• 13:15Speaker 00

  Where like a piece of music that I heard that like changed my life?

• 13:18Adam Friedland?

  Where you're like, "This is [bleep] wow." Like...

• 13:27Adam Friedland?

  Wait, you should...

• 13:29Speaker 00

  I, I think like getting into really sort of like aggressive, heavy metal music when I was a teenager was probably like a moment like that. And then I think probably hearing like bands like Dead Kennedys for the first time. You know what? Like, okay, wait, hon. You know what, you know what was like a mind-blowing band when I was like an adolescent? Like in that period that you're talking about? Rage Against the Machine.

• 13:48Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, so sick.

• 13:49Speaker 00

  That's like around when Evil Empire came out. Like, I was so [bleep] into Bulls on Parade. Crazy song.

• 13:55Adam Friedland?

  Did your parents get divorced?

• 13:56Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 13:57Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, that Rage Against the Machine was big for divorce.

• 14:02Adam Friedland?

  "I won't do what they told you."

• 14:03Speaker 00

  You know, that, like, I did hear that, like, within a couple of years after that happened, so, I mean...

• 14:09Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 14:10Speaker 00

  That's, yeah, that hit at the right time, yeah.

• 14:12Adam Friedland?

  It's, it is music that is presented as like smart politics, but it's literally for... It's literally for babies, I think. Kind of.

• 14:21Speaker 00

  I think, I think...

• 14:22Adam Friedland?

  [bleep] you, I will do what you, what...

• 14:24Speaker 00

  That's just the one dumb song.

• 14:25Adam Friedland?

  But an adult man, the guitars went to Harvard.

• 14:29Speaker 00

  Like, if you're actually a Rage fan, that's one of your least favorite songs. That's one of your least favorite songs, if you're a Rage fan.

• 14:34Adam Friedland?

  What do you mean? It's a sick song.

• 14:36Speaker 00

  If you're a casual, if you're a casual fan...

• 14:37Adam Friedland?

  I would listen to it before, if I was about to be in an NFL football game, and I wanna break someone's face, I would listen to it.

• 14:44Speaker 00

  That's the thing. It's like, that's the, that's the context in which it makes sense.

• 14:47Adam Friedland?

  You don't have to do that, where you say that that song is not...

• 14:49Speaker 00

  I, well, I don't have to, but I did.

• 14:51Adam Friedland?

  [bleep] you, I won't do, what is the word, how, what are the words?

• 14:55Speaker 00

  [bleep] you, I won't do what you tell me?

• 14:56Adam Friedland?

  That's so sick. But that is what a baby says, like, writing a song.

• 15:00Speaker 00

  Well, the song is anti-cop, though.

• 15:02Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah, the parents of society.

• 15:08Adam Friedland?

  Wait. You did, you were, you consumed like, criticism when you were a kid? Or what?

• 15:14Speaker 00

  No.

• 15:14Adam Friedland?

  You, you read like Pitchfork probably?

• 15:17Speaker 00

  No. When I was a kid?

• 15:18Adam Friedland?

  You didn't?

• 15:19Speaker 00

  When I was a child?

• 15:20Adam Friedland?

  When you were a teenager? When you were growing up? You didn't read Pitchfork?

• 15:24Speaker 00

  No.

• 15:24Adam Friedland?

  No, this is a bull-

• 15:25Speaker 00

  No.

• 15:26Adam Friedland?

  You're lying.

• 15:28Speaker 00

  Like, I-

• 15:28Adam Friedland?

  I find that very hard to believe.

• 15:29Speaker 00

  I think the most, me and my friends-

• 15:31Adam Friedland?

  Giving a numerical value to a, uh-

• 15:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 15:35Adam Friedland?

  You, you happened upon that?

• 15:36Speaker 00

  Well, that's not to say, well, listen, I'm not saying that like Pitchfork didn't influence me or that I wasn't like aware of Pitchfork when I started doing what I did, but the thing is like, are you, you're asking me, I'm not gonna pretend to sort of like have cool tastes and cool points of being like, "Yeah, I was on to Pitchfork before anybody else was" or whatever. It just wasn't the thing I was paying attention to when I was younger.

• 15:54Adam Friedland?

  It made me feel old interacting with your content.

• 15:57Speaker 00

  Well, again, there's like a lot of new pop that just sounds like pop from the 2000s now.

• 16:01Adam Friedland?

  Right, it doesn't seem like anything sounds like anything new.

• 16:05Speaker 00

  I mean, after, I, I think-

• 16:06Adam Friedland?

  Like, what's the Kid A of now?

• 16:09Speaker 00

  Um, what's the Kid A of now?

• 16:12Adam Friedland?

  It's not, it's not, there is none. What's like this TV wonder of now?

• 16:15Speaker 00

  See, here's the thing, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna bust-

• 16:17Adam Friedland?

  It's worse.

• 16:18Speaker 00

  I'm gonna bust, I'm gonna bust your balls a little bit about this.

• 16:19Adam Friedland?

  Why, 'cause I'm a mover?

• 16:20Speaker 00

  I feel like, no, no, no. Like, Kid A's a great record, classic record, love it, okay? But the thing is like, I feel like, I feel like whether or not it's a mind-blowing album to you depends on like how much electronic music you've heard before you got introduced to Kid A.

• 16:36Adam Friedland?

  Uh!

• 16:36Speaker 00

  Like, if you were already in-

• 16:37Adam Friedland?

  I was fif- I was fourteen years old and I was like, "Wow!"

• 16:41Speaker 00

  You're asking me what the Kid A is of today?

• 16:43Adam Friedland?

  And also, shut up! It's the be- it's amazing!

• 16:46Speaker 00

  It's a great album, but the thing is like-

• 16:48Adam Friedland?

  Shut up, what do you mean?

• 16:48Speaker 00

  If, if you've heard Aphex Twin before you heard Kid A, that album's not blowing your mind the same way.

• 16:53Adam Friedland?

  What are you, who cares? Do you understand what art is? Art, it like, you, but-

• 16:57Speaker 00

  Okay, you're-

• 16:58Adam Friedland?

  There are things and then you're influenced by and then you improve upon them.

• 17:01Speaker 00

  Okay, okay, okay.

• 17:02Adam Friedland?

  I'm just saying, what are the new things?

• 17:04Speaker 00

  Okay, what is, okay, you're asking me what is an artist that kids blow their minds at because of-

• 17:08Adam Friedland?

  Like, is there a Stevie Wonder of now?

• 17:10Speaker 00

  Because of ignorance to other sounds and genres out there in music? I'd say it's Playboy Carti.

• 17:14Adam Friedland?

  He's the Stevie Wonder of now?

• 17:15Speaker 00

  No, he's the Kid A of now.

• 17:17Adam Friedland?

  He's the Kid A of now?

• 17:19Speaker 00

  Yeah, he's the artist that children's minds are blown by because they have an ignorance toward what came before it.

• 17:25Adam Friedland?

  Kid A isn't for children, it's for smartest people on earth. Some of the people that understand- That the president is, you can't trust, I don't know. When you shit on something, right? If you don't like something.

• 17:37Speaker 00

  Right.

• 17:37Adam Friedland?

  The artist is obviously gonna get pissed off, cuz they like worked hard on it and then they're like, fuck this guy. But their fans, I think, also, have you seen a rise in the people that like the artist getting pissed off at you?

• 17:51Speaker 00

  Um, over the course of time that I've been doing what I do.

• 17:54Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 17:54Speaker 00

  I wouldn't say there was a rise. Like, I still see, and, and I, you know, really, really in the first few years of doing what I do full-time, like, you know, one of my earliest reviews was a review that like blew up and I just got widespread hate for it.

• 18:10Adam Friedland?

  For what?

• 18:11Speaker 00

  My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  But, uh...

• 18:15Adam Friedland?

  Come on, dude, you just...

• 18:17Speaker 00

  What?

• 18:18Adam Friedland?

  You, it's bad?

• 18:19Speaker 00

  No, it's not bad, it's just okay.

• 18:21Adam Friedland?

  What do you mean, just, uh, it's, it's got Runaway.

• 18:24Speaker 00

  I think he has better albums.

• 18:25Adam Friedland?

  It's got the Nicky verse on Monster.

• 18:26Speaker 00

  Yeah, there's highlights on it.

• 18:27Adam Friedland?

  It's got the best Jay-Z verse I've ever heard. Goblin, Spooky's. Spooky.

• 18:32Speaker 00

  That is not the best Jay-Z verse.

• 18:35Adam Friedland?

  Halloween, Frankenstein.

• 18:39Adam Friedland?

  Things that go bumpin' tonight. Monsters.

• 18:44Adam Friedland?

  It's great.

• 18:46Speaker 00

  It's okay.

• 18:47Adam Friedland?

  It's not, it's not, it's, come on.

• 18:51Speaker 00

  Carlos Dropout's better.

• 18:52Adam Friedland?

  You gave Yeezus a three?

• 18:54Speaker 00

  I gave it a five.

• 18:56Adam Friedland?

  But it's, that was a music that, uh, when people heard it, they were like, this is a new type of a, a thing.

• 19:03Speaker 00

  I mean, uh...

• 19:04Adam Friedland?

  You, I know.

• 19:05Speaker 00

  Again, that, that depends on what you've heard.

• 19:07Adam Friedland?

  Kanye was copying Death Grips.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  I have it on...

• 19:09Adam Friedland?

  100%.

• 19:13Adam Friedland?

  What?

• 19:14Speaker 00

  I have it on good authority that a friend of mine who was connected to his team, um, you know, helped burn him a bunch of CDs and stuff that like... No. It was the early 2010's. Um, though that freak was still around, around that time.

• 19:29Adam Friedland?

  Nick Fuentes? Yeah, he was in kindergarten.

• 19:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, probably, no, he was like, um, I can't remember...

• 19:34Adam Friedland?

  Was he, he's like an old man that looks like a little kid?

• 19:37Speaker 00

  No, no, no, he's, he's, he's younger, anyway. Anyway, I don't even wanna talk about that freakazoid.

• 19:44Speaker 00

  I know a friend of mine who had knowledge that like a bunch of sort of like, you know, prevailing industrial hip-hop artists, you know.

• 19:54Adam Friedland?

  So they're copying Trent Reznor?

• 19:55Speaker 00

  Including Death Grips, like, they had their music burned on a CD. He was exposed to it. But the thing is like, I think-

• 20:02Adam Friedland?

  So he's getting influenced by other artists?

• 20:04Speaker 00

  But with that being said, I think Travis Scott had more of an impact on the sound of that record than Death Grips did.

• 20:09Adam Friedland?

  So what?

• 20:10Speaker 00

  I'm not saying that is a bad thing. You're talking-

• 20:12Adam Friedland?

  That's just what art is.

• 20:13Speaker 00

  You posited a few minutes ago that there was absolutely no Death Grips influence.

• 20:17Adam Friedland?

  You're saying he's biting, right?

• 20:19Speaker 00

  I think, I think it's not that interesting if you've heard other stuff, is what I'm saying.

• 20:24Adam Friedland?

  Ugh, you're such a dickhead, dude.

• 20:26Speaker 00

  I mean, that's kind of my job.

• 20:28Adam Friedland?

  It's so brave, though. I really like, because it is infuriating, right? I, I love, you know, I like music a lot, right?

• 20:37Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 20:37Adam Friedland?

  And if you disagree with me, it does upset me. And I do think you're doing some sort of thing for attention, for, to girls or something.

• 20:46Speaker 00

  To girl, if it's for girls, it's not-

• 20:48Adam Friedland?

  Oh my god, he doesn't like Yeezus.

• 20:49Speaker 00

  If it's for girls, it's not working.

• 20:51Adam Friedland?

  He's crazy, he's different. You're doing, no-

• 20:54Speaker 00

  My audience has like almost-

• 20:55Adam Friedland?

  What upsets me is this-

• 20:56Speaker 00

  My audience is like 80% men.

• 20:59Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 21:00Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 21:00Adam Friedland?

  Lucky? 80%, I think us too. It's a terrible feeling, isn't it?

• 21:06Speaker 00

  I'm neutral on it.

• 21:07Adam Friedland?

  You're neutral on it? No, it doesn't feel good.

• 21:09Speaker 00

  No, I'm neutral on it.

• 21:11Adam Friedland?

  No, you want a-

• 21:11Speaker 00

  It has, it has upsides.

• 21:12Adam Friedland?

  You want a 50/50?

• 21:14Speaker 00

  Why?

• 21:15Adam Friedland?

  You don't want to just like, what, like, uh, male online internet population? It's not a-

• 21:20Speaker 00

  I mean, I feel like it has its upsides if, maybe if they're watching me, they're not watching Andrew Tate.

• 21:26Adam Friedland?

  What, you think, you think that that's a thing?

• 21:30Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 21:31Adam Friedland?

  Maybe they like music and like, the coolest guy of all time?

• 21:35Speaker 00

  Nah, Andrew, Andrew- Andrew Tate hates music.

• 21:38Adam Friedland?

  He does like music?

• 21:39Speaker 00

  He hates music.

• 21:40Adam Friedland?

  Ah, he has, he's got so...

• 21:43Speaker 00

  Well, the thing is, like, people of that mindset hate art generally.

• 21:47Adam Friedland?

  Okay, so you have a community, right?

• 21:49Speaker 00

  Sure, to an extent.

• 21:50Adam Friedland?

  Millions of people that are part of your community.

• 21:53Speaker 00

  I wouldn't call it a community.

• 21:54Adam Friedland?

  Well, no, you're constantly interacting with them. You say, you're asking them questions.

• 21:58Speaker 00

  That doesn't make it a community.

• 21:59Adam Friedland?

  You're asking them questions, you say, "What's the best, uh, what's the best album of the 2000s?"

• 22:04Speaker 00

  Like, across...

• 22:05Adam Friedland?

  And then someone says Kid A and you go, "Nah."

• 22:07Speaker 00

  Across several million people.

• 22:09Adam Friedland?

  You'd be wrong.

• 22:10Speaker 00

  Across several million people, there's little cohesion.

• 22:13Adam Friedland?

  When I watched that one, you said, "You could say that, but you'd be wrong." "In Rainbows is better." But like, but does it matter?

• 22:22Speaker 00

  "In Rainbows is better than Kid A," yeah.

• 22:23Adam Friedland?

  But does it matter?

• 22:25Speaker 00

  No, no, none of it matters, but that doesn't mean I'm not gonna put out my opinion.

• 22:28Adam Friedland?

  But what is the, like, I guess, what's the cultural merit of, of, uh, citing a new... Is it you, like, who, like, what does it ma... Like, who cares?

• 22:41Speaker 00

  I guess, I guess, if you want me to explain the context that all of that is coming out of...

• 22:45Adam Friedland?

  It's great content. It's...

• 22:46Speaker 00

  Yeah, sure.

• 22:47Adam Friedland?

  It's really engaging. And I wanted to keep clicking and keep, uh, you know, say...

• 22:53Speaker 00

  Getting angry?

• 22:54Adam Friedland?

  Alone. But what, but like, why can't you just be like, "They're really, they're really good"?

• 23:00Speaker 00

  Uh-huh.

• 23:01Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 23:01Speaker 00

  Why can't I just say, "They're all great"?

• 23:03Adam Friedland?

  But why does Kid A have to be worse than, uh, okay, can be... Well, those, yeah, they're, that's a really good one.

• 23:09Speaker 00

  Well, okay, here's the thing.

• 23:10Adam Friedland?

  Those three are really good.

• 23:11Speaker 00

  If you're actually gonna be critical, like, for a living, you have to sort of, like, break some eggs.

• 23:16Adam Friedland?

  But don't you think that it's kind of like, uh, I don't know, it doesn't...

• 23:22Speaker 00

  See, here's the thing. It's like, you're asking sort of like, what is the merit?

• 23:25Adam Friedland?

  Is it criticism, or is it...

• 23:27Speaker 00

  You're asking, "What is the merit and what is the point of what I'm doing"? Wouldn't there be even less...

• 23:30Adam Friedland?

  What's the project? What's the objective?

• 23:32Speaker 00

  Wouldn't there be even less of a point to a critic that just says, "Everything is good"?

• 23:37Adam Friedland?

  No, not everything's good, but like...

• 23:38Speaker 00

  Well, yeah, not everything is good. So, the thing is, if you just said, "Everything was good all the time," why would anybody watch?

• 23:43Adam Friedland?

  No, I'm saying that if two albums are both really good... Does it matter if, and also, does it matter if OK Computer is... They're all really good albums. It's a really good band.

• 23:55Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 23:56Adam Friedland?

  I'll, have you, I mean, I can't get enough of this crap.

• 23:58Speaker 00

  Like, to say, to say that, like, I enjoy In Rainbows more than Amnesiac isn't to say that I don't enjoy Amnesiac, or that it isn't a good album. I'm just stating a preference.

• 24:09Adam Friedland?

  No, but you're, yeah, you're fa- but it is for your community. They want to see what Melon's gonna say about this crap.

• 24:14Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 24:14Adam Friedland?

  It's a game, kind of, more.

• 24:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:17Adam Friedland?

  It doesn't...

• 24:18Speaker 00

  I mean, it's supposed to be fun on some level.

• 24:20Adam Friedland?

  It's not fun for me.

• 24:22Speaker 00

  Because, because the thing is, like, with a band like Radiohead that has as versatile a discography as they do, and even Kanye, like, to make such a list, everybody's gonna have a wildly different opinion. I mean, they have so many...

• 24:33Adam Friedland?

  There's a right answer.

• 24:34Speaker 00

  No. Well, what's the right answer?

• 24:36Adam Friedland?

  It's whatever, I, I mean, what's the right answer?

• 24:39Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 24:39Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, it's the thing I think.

• 24:41Speaker 00

  What is, what is the thing that you think?

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• 27:32Adam Friedland?

  Back to the show. We, should we do the Abbey Road thing or not?

• 27:36Speaker 00

  I don't even know what the thing is to you.

• 27:38Adam Friedland?

  I went just, okay, look at how schizophrenic these notes were. This is how angry you were making me.

• 27:43Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 27:43Adam Friedland?

  There's like different pieces of paper.

• 27:47Adam Friedland?

  It's, there's no logical flow. Okay.

• 27:51Adam Friedland?

  Should I actually?

• 27:51Speaker 00

  You're talking, oh wait, you're just talking about my classic Abbey Road review, just a standalone review of the album. Are you talking about, are you talking about a ranking that I did or just the Abbey Road review?

• 28:02Adam Friedland?

  You, what do you mean? You ranked the songs in Abbey Road?

• 28:05Speaker 00

  Never mind. You're just talking about my straight-up Abbey Road review. You had an issue with it?

• 28:09Adam Friedland?

  You ranked the Beatles?

• 28:10Speaker 00

  No, stop talking.

• 28:11Adam Friedland?

  Have you ranked the Beatles?

• 28:12Speaker 00

  Listen.

• 28:14Adam Friedland?

  What? I listened to you talk about Abbey Road, right?

• 28:17Speaker 00

  Just a review.

• 28:18Adam Friedland?

  Which is A, you got the, it's so

• 28:21Speaker 00

  But it's like a

• 28:22Adam Friedland?

  It's so brave of, I mean, it's crazy. You're a sick man.

• 28:26Speaker 00

  Okay, listen.

• 28:27Adam Friedland?

  Say what like

• 28:28Speaker 00

  For context, for everybody who's watching this

• 28:30Adam Friedland?

  Sick thing.

• 28:31Speaker 00

  For everybody who's watching this who is sane.

• 28:34Speaker 00

  I did a classic Abbey Road review.

• 28:36Adam Friedland?

  These people are loco right now.

• 28:37Speaker 00

  Classic Abbey Road review that is very positive and very glowing because I do think it is my favorite Beatles album. So I'm perplexed.

• 28:42Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, but you just don't have.

• 28:43Speaker 00

  As to what you hate about it. What do you hate about me loving that album?

• 28:48Adam Friedland?

  Because you.

• 28:49Speaker 00

  You're, the way you're talking, you're making it sound like I shit on the record and talk like it was the worst thing ever.

• 28:54Adam Friedland?

  You didn't shit on it, but the way you talked about it really pisses me off.

• 28:57Speaker 00

  How did I talk about it that you got pissed off about?

• 28:59Adam Friedland?

  You said that the, okay, you said the Golden Slumbers medley was art, art pop.

• 29:04Speaker 00

  Yeah, that's like, that's a very.

• 29:06Adam Friedland?

  No, that's not a thing. Do you understand that this is where?

• 29:09Speaker 00

  Very well-established opinion.

• 29:11Adam Friedland?

  No, you're like, I'm the love shack, baby. It's not art pop. It didn't exist, nothing, they made.

• 29:17Speaker 00

  That's not art pop.

• 29:18Adam Friedland?

  They made pop music.

• 29:19Speaker 00

  B-52s are not art pop. It's new wave.

• 29:22Adam Friedland?

  Oh my god, oh, you put on a fucking big suit. Fucking what?

• 29:27Speaker 00

  Now I understand why you're pissed.

• 29:29Adam Friedland?

  It's, it's, in terms of a term, it's like, it's, it's, it's offensive to my ear.

• 29:34Speaker 00

  Why?

• 29:35Adam Friedland?

  Because it's, it's.

• 29:36Speaker 00

  Art pop is a thing.

• 29:37Adam Friedland?

  It's a contemporary term. It's like saying, um.

• 29:40Speaker 00

  Well, wait, it's.

• 29:41Adam Friedland?

  The Golden Slumbers medley was Twitter. Like, it's just like, it's, it's not, it's, it's inappropriate, like, uh, like phrasing for it. Because it's, it is.

• 29:51Speaker 00

  I mean, the thing, the thing is like that record.

• 29:53Adam Friedland?

  It's the Rosetta Stone, right?

• 29:54Speaker 00

  For the time period, that record was progressive and artsy by pop standards. I mean, it's sort of like.

• 30:00Adam Friedland?

  It's not art pop, though.

• 30:02Speaker 00

  When?

• 30:02Adam Friedland?

  Because that's like some lesbian in the 1990s in college.

• 30:07Speaker 00

  I understand, I understand.

• 30:10Adam Friedland?

  It's just, it's, it's not, it's offensive to, to the Beatles.

• 30:14Speaker 00

  I understand the era of music that that term is usually attached to because obviously it's sort of like snowballed into something bigger. That was like a larger musical movement. But we're talking about a band and we're talking about artists.

• 30:24Adam Friedland?

  The Golden Slumbers medley was swinging viral, yeah.

• 30:27Speaker 00

  Who were ahead of the curve.

• 30:29Adam Friedland?

  It was cloud rap, yeah.

• 30:30Speaker 00

  We're talking about artists who were ahead of the curve and like.

• 30:32Adam Friedland?

  Wasn't ahead of the curve, it was, they invented pop music.

• 30:36Speaker 00

  They did not invent pop music.

• 30:38Adam Friedland?

  Yes, they did.

• 30:39Speaker 00

  No, they did not.

• 30:40Adam Friedland?

  They invent, do you play guitar?

• 30:41Speaker 00

  The Beatles did not invent pop music.

• 30:43Adam Friedland?

  Do you play guitar?

• 30:44Speaker 00

  Pop music precedes the Beatles.

• 30:46Adam Friedland?

  I know that, yeah, yeah. But do you understand, like, everything comes there. It's the, it's, it's the source.

• 30:52Speaker 00

  A lot of things do, which is, which is why I and other people.

• 30:55Adam Friedland?

  The Beatles obviously came from other places, right?

• 30:58Speaker 00

  Sure, and there's a lot of people who rightly acknowledge the fact that like, you know, "I Want You, She's So Heavy," the last passages of it.

• 31:07Adam Friedland?

  So sick.

• 31:07Speaker 00

  That's like one of the first metal riffs, if not the first, like, metal riff.

• 31:11Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, so sick.

• 31:12Speaker 00

  But the thing is like...

• 31:13Adam Friedland?

  How do they know? It didn't exist!

• 31:15Speaker 00

  You could call that like, metal in a sense, while also acknowledging that like, metal as we know it came later.

• 31:22Adam Friedland?

  What do you mean, call that...

• 31:24Speaker 00

  That's not to say, that's not to say that riff is, that's not to say The Beatles are a metal band because they did that riff.

• 31:29Adam Friedland?

  It just, it didn't sound, it was grating on my ear, to say "The Golden Slum," which is the, probably the best song. It's probably the best moment in music to me, right?

• 31:39Speaker 00

  But you're just mad that I used the term "art pop"?

• 31:41Adam Friedland?

  Because it's like offensive, because it's the, it's the most important thing. And I, I just, okay. Let's go back through my, look at it, I'd like a, this is like a manifesto.

• 31:52Speaker 00

  Earlier, you accused me of, of being, of being grating on purpose. I think you're, I think you're faking being offended.

• 31:59Adam Friedland?

  At minute 11, at minute 11, you're, you're, you're reviewing "Oh Darling," right?

• 32:03Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 32:03Adam Friedland?

  Which is a [bleep]...

• 32:04Speaker 00

  "Oh Darling!"

• 32:05Adam Friedland?

  The emotion, the [bleep], like, how [bleep] pissed he's singing at the end. How much pain he's in.

• 32:11Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 32:12Adam Friedland?

  Right?

• 32:13Speaker 00

  Well, he's, he's in love on that song.

• 32:14Adam Friedland?

  You said that you wish that he, Paul could sing, uh, more regular.

• 32:18Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 32:21Adam Friedland?

  Like, what gives you the right? Come on, just don't say, but, what gives you the confidence to say that? I'm, honestly, I'm, I'm, I'm in, you're a beast, you're incredible.

• 32:30Speaker 00

  Because I look at Paul McCartney...

• 32:32Adam Friedland?

  Why would you say that?

• 32:32Speaker 00

  And I don't, and I don't see, "When you told me," you know, I mean, I get that he can do it.

• 32:37Adam Friedland?

  You think that doesn't sound sick?

• 32:40Speaker 00

  It's, it's like John Fogerty singing about being from down by the bayou, he's, he's not.

• 32:45Adam Friedland?

  Okay, have you heard the, the Bee Gees' song "Massachusetts"? They've never been to Massachusetts. They'd never, they, they didn't know what Massachusetts was.

• 32:55Speaker 00

  They didn't know what it was.

• 32:56Adam Friedland?

  It sounded good there.

• 32:57Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 32:58Adam Friedland?

  And it does sound good there. So what do you mean, that, that "When you told me"? Do you understand that they consumed American rock and roll?

• 33:07Speaker 00

  No, I get that.

• 33:09Adam Friedland?

  And they lived in a place, no one even knew what Liverpool was, right? Until they came here. And then they gave it back to us. And as a cultural exchange, it's incredible. It's like, uh...

• 33:22Adam Friedland?

  You can't possibly say, "I wish Paul would sing more regular here."

• 33:26Speaker 00

  Yeah. And he has the capacity to, you know, we've heard "Hey Jude."

• 33:31Adam Friedland?

  What, you wanted to sound... That's crazy, just don't say that.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  He's just singing, he's just singing straighter on that song.

• 33:36Adam Friedland?

  Pete, cut that for him. It's just, you wanted it to sound more like "Hey Jude"?

• 33:41Speaker 00

  I didn't want it to sound, I just wanted him to sing a bit straighter on that one.

• 33:43Adam Friedland?

  Let it be The Beatles. It's just, it's there, it's been there already. You don't have to say, "I..." It's, it's, it's... Why? Like, what's the point of it? It stresses me out. I'm stressed again, just thinking about it. I am. And I know, like, listen, if you're talking about how my kid sees it, and you're, that's, that's, that's great. Right? But like, you're so brave and crazy, and you're sick in the head for like, for even saying, "I wish Paul would do a little bit more of a regular voice in this moment."

• 34:20Speaker 00

  I think like, I think we should be allowed to be critical of everything. Like, as...

• 34:26Adam Friedland?

  Of the greatest songwriter of all time?

• 34:30Speaker 00

  Paul McCartney, the greatest songwriter of all time?

• 34:31Adam Friedland?

  Yes.

• 34:32Speaker 00

  Point blank period?

• 34:33Adam Friedland?

  Bob Dylan.

• 34:33Speaker 00

  No competition.

• 34:34Adam Friedland?

  Paul, Bob Dylan, Paul McCartney, yeah. In my opinion.

• 34:38Speaker 00

  I mean, like...

• 34:39Adam Friedland?

  You're wrong.

• 34:39Speaker 00

  There's probably...

• 34:40Adam Friedland?

  Okay, Maxwell Silverhammer, you said that, um, you said that it was like disturbing.

• 34:47Speaker 00

  Yeah, but that's what's funny about it.

• 34:48Adam Friedland?

  But you understand that the words, they're, they're just saying any word.

• 34:52Speaker 00

  No, no, that's not true.

• 34:52Adam Friedland?

  Did you see, get, did you see?

• 34:54Speaker 00

  The Beatles do have songs where they consciously did say just any words. And on purpose, just because there were people who were reading too much into their music.

• 35:02Adam Friedland?

  Oh, how are you disturbed by it? It's a baby song. It's the, we've, we all know it.

• 35:07Speaker 00

  What are you, what are you, what are you talking about?

• 35:09Adam Friedland?

  You said that this qualified, that it qualifies. Everyone thinks that John is the, is the weird artist and Paul is, Paul is the normal one, but he writes this we, this disturb, most disturbing song.

• 35:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 35:24Adam Friedland?

  It's.

• 35:25Speaker 00

  But that's what's fun, that's a, you're confused.

• 35:27Adam Friedland?

  First of all, John was the emotional.

• 35:29Speaker 00

  I'm citing this as like, this is a positive, interesting characteristic of the record.

• 35:33Adam Friedland?

  I'm exhausted right now. I've been up all night. Okay. In, when he says, and I will sing you a lullaby, right? And then, and then the next, the next word is what? Booo.

• 35:47Speaker 00

  The big golden slumber crescendo.

• 35:49Adam Friedland?

  Okay. You take issue with the fact that it wasn't a lullaby that comes next?

• 35:53Speaker 00

  No, I didn't. I took issue with it not, no, I did not.

• 35:56Adam Friedland?

  You said that a lullaby should come next.

• 35:57Speaker 00

  No, I did not.

• 35:58Adam Friedland?

  You're driving me nuts, sir.

• 36:00Speaker 00

  Now you're just making stuff up. I did not say that.

• 36:02Adam Friedland?

  Check it. Can someone check it?

• 36:03Speaker 00

  I did not say, I did not say I'm mad.

• 36:06Adam Friedland?

  That's what I punched.

• 36:07Speaker 00

  I did not say.

• 36:08Adam Friedland?

  You were like, you would be expecting a lullaby.

• 36:10Speaker 00

  I did not say that. I did not say.

• 36:12Adam Friedland?

  I think you did say that.

• 36:13Speaker 00

  That I was upset or that there was anything bad about not a lullaby following that part. I know for a fact, I put out a lot of content and I can't remember every second of it, but I guarantee I did not say that there was an issue with not a lullaby following that.

• 36:27Adam Friedland?

  I'm pretty sure a lullaby would come next.

• 36:29Speaker 00

  Listen, what you're gonna have to do is.

• 36:30Adam Friedland?

  I think I'm right, actually.

• 36:31Speaker 00

  What you're, what you're gonna have to do is splice in the clip of me saying.

• 36:35Adam Friedland?

  I don't wanna, I don't wanna.

• 36:37Speaker 00

  Hey, you know what, you know what really would have been good here?

• 36:38Adam Friedland?

  I think you're a great guy.

• 36:40Speaker 00

  With golden slumbers, we get this very big dramatic showing of strings and horns and pianos for a lullaby that is described in the lyrics, but never really quite happens. I mean, it is gorgeous and it is powerful, but I would be pretty angry if Paul McCartney went through all of this trouble to set up a lullaby only for.

• 36:58Adam Friedland?

  For him to kind of lead into, "Boy, you're gonna carry the weight." No, what it is, is that just music means so much to people and that's why they respond.

• 37:09Speaker 00

  So much that you make up stuff to be mad about.

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• 39:18Speaker 00

  Let's get back to the show.

• 39:19Adam Friedland?

  If you look at your channel, the top, I'd say probably 20 or 30 videos on the needle drop are all hip-hop.

• 39:27Speaker 00

  A lot of them are, yeah.

• 39:29Adam Friedland?

  You're probably the biggest hip-hop critic nowadays.

• 39:32Speaker 00

  Like, by virtue of just kind of reviewing it?

• 39:35Adam Friedland?

  Numbers-wise, yeah. Does it feel weird sometimes as a white guy to be talking about a black, like, something that's predominantly black?

• 39:43Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 39:45Adam Friedland?

  How do you, like, manage that in terms of your reviews?

• 39:50Speaker 00

  I mean, I feel like, one of the ways I try to manage it, which I think is like, kind of a best practice for me, is like, you want to sort of like, pay attention, very careful attention, and sort of like, take care, sort of make note of, and, most importantly, take seriously, like, the substance of the subject matter, you know? And especially, like, you know, consider that, like, people are describing experiences that I don't personally have a super, you know, intimate familiarity with. But, you know, simultaneously, you don't want to treat rap music like it's a special case, because I feel like that's kind of patronizing as well.

• 40:30Adam Friedland?

  You're a music critic, right?

• 40:31Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, the thing is, like, you know, by that same token while I say that, I also don't have intimate, personal experience of what it is to be a woman.

• 40:40Adam Friedland?

  I'll give you an example of what I'm trying to get at. In the NBA, right? Punditry has, in the last 10 years, kind of become a lot about advanced statistics and metrics. And I think maybe perhaps is a result of a white, a predominantly white pundit class talking about something that's predominantly black.

• 41:02Speaker 00

  Sports is a bit more of a concrete subject matter than whether or not a song is good.

• 41:05Adam Friedland?

  But, the question is, is that, like, I don't know, I really saw a lot of your tweets during this Drake and Kendrick thing last year.

• 41:14Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 41:14Adam Friedland?

  And your analysis did tend to be like, you know, in the third round, they switched up the flow three times. And, you know, like, you were giving kind of more of the stats.

• 41:26Speaker 00

  A little bit, yeah.

• 41:27Adam Friedland?

  Did you find it entertaining?

• 41:29Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:30Adam Friedland?

  It just, what is "they," in your opinion? I mean, as a person that's commented on this.

• 41:37Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:39Speaker 00

  Do you want me to start answering now?

• 41:41Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 41:41Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 41:43Adam Friedland?

  Sorry, we'll cut that down.

• 41:44Speaker 00

  No, no, no, it's fine. I think, from my personal outsider perspective, having, you know, listened to and reviewed a great deal of Kendrick's music and looking at that song, like, I feel like there is sort of a weakness there, or a bit of confusion there, when you're talking about the song that you're observing, when you're kind of like looking at it outside of the greater context of like the beef between him and Drake. Well, I mean, the thing is, if you look at specifically in that vacuum, I feel like the "they" is super clear, in terms of like-

• 42:18Adam Friedland?

  What is it? Is it a secret?

• 42:20Speaker 00

  In terms of, in terms of it literally like, him-

• 42:23Adam Friedland?

  His Jews?

• 42:23Speaker 00

  And his entourage, and-

• 42:26Adam Friedland?

  Him and his friends are like this?

• 42:27Speaker 00

  And not only people who sort of engage in the sort of behavior that Kendrick paints him as, you know, engaging in on the song, but also, in his own way Kendrick is trying to paint Drake in a way as, and, again, this is not like me saying whether or not this is true, this is me saying like, this is what Kendrick-

• 42:47Speaker 00

  I'm saying this is what Kendrick is insinuating in the song. He's trying to paint Drake as culturally being outside of the black experience in a way.

• 42:53Adam Friedland?

  Kamala Harris was told that she's not black, and there was an outrage.

• 43:01Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 43:02Adam Friedland?

  I've just, it's confusing to me why there wasn't a similar response by, I mean, people like yourself, or like, why, why is that, what happened with Drake was treated differently?

• 43:16Speaker 00

  Like, whether or not I was outraged that that was the case?

• 43:19Adam Friedland?

  It's kind of, it's kind of messed up, right?

• 43:22Speaker 00

  Well, I mean, I think that those were happening in two far different contexts.

• 43:26Adam Friedland?

  Well, I mean, like Drake's like, black, right?

• 43:29Speaker 00

  I mean, yeah, I can't deny that.

• 43:32Adam Friedland?

  So, I mean, it's, but it's-

• 43:35Adam Friedland?

  Okay.

• 43:37Speaker 00

  Look, here's the thing. I'm not saying it's not faulty messaging. Like, you know, objectively speaking, objectively speaking, like Drake's dad is black. Drake is black, you know? Um, I think, uh, and again, I'm just insinuating here based on what I hear on the song. I feel like for Kendrick, what he was trying to get across on the track, because when you literally talk about sort of like who he collabs with and where he goes to sort of like make these kind of cultural connections and sort of like align himself with certain segments of hip-hop music.

• 44:09Adam Friedland?

  Uh huh.

• 44:10Speaker 00

  Um, I think he's sort of displaying that as more of a cultural blackness.

• 44:15Adam Friedland?

  I think it's a lot of guys our age that are white guys that were like really getting into it and it felt a little weird. I think we just had a nice time when Drake was here. We've had a lot of nice times while Drake was playing.

• 44:29Speaker 00

  I think increasingly...

• 44:30Adam Friedland?

  And now we have to know what a tariff is and stuff because Drake went away? Please, wherever you are, Australia, where is he now?

• 44:38Speaker 00

  I think he's in America again.

• 44:39Adam Friedland?

  Listen, it's... I guess I just miss him. You know?

• 44:43Speaker 00

  He's still around.

• 44:45Adam Friedland?

  No, everyone's laughing at him for being a nonce.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  Well, so you can't be into Drake because other people aren't?

• 44:52Adam Friedland?

  How do you deal with people being mad at you? I'm doing it right now to you and you're a good guy. You're a sicko, but you're a good guy. No, I mean, like, I just disagree with what you're saying, but I have to imagine, I mean, people sued you?

• 45:06Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 45:06Adam Friedland?

  I mean, I gotta say, hats off. Like, the most, the most famous male pop star of the last 15 years DM'd you and said that he thinks you're a zero or like a light one. I mean, Drake is the most famous male pop star and you got rent-free in there. And you're just, you're in front of a guy from Connecticut.

• 45:29Speaker 00

  Yeah, I'm still rent-free in there.

• 45:31Adam Friedland?

  Wait, that upset you? Your response there is, that's a genuine response?

• 45:34Speaker 00

  No, no, I'm saying, I'm saying I still think it's likely that he thinks about me.

• 45:38Adam Friedland?

  You think he's thinking about you still?

• 45:40Speaker 00

  I know he's thinking about me.

• 45:41Adam Friedland?

  Why is that?

• 45:43Speaker 00

  I've seen evidence that he still thinks about me.

• 45:46Adam Friedland?

  What? What does that mean?

• 45:48Speaker 00

  So what is your question?

• 45:50Adam Friedland?

  I'm asking you, like, how do you deal with people getting pissed at you?

• 45:55Speaker 00

  I don't know.

• 45:56Adam Friedland?

  Really?

• 45:57Speaker 00

  I mean, I feel like it's just been happening so, I guess here's the thing, like, it's been happening so consistently for so long. And most of the criticisms are like, I feel like I've just been reading the same three to five hate comments like over and over and over for the past 12 years. You know, so it's like, after a while, I just become kind of like-

• 46:18Adam Friedland?

  What do they get mad about?

• 46:20Speaker 00

  Just the same, you already know, you know, just like, oh, you reviewed that album-

• 46:23Adam Friedland?

  I'm not doing hate comments, I'm just mad at you for-

• 46:25Speaker 00

  No, I mean, it's the comments you've already seen.

• 46:27Adam Friedland?

  For thinking you could tell Paul McCartney what he could do 80 years ago.

• 46:30Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 46:30Adam Friedland?

  But what do they say? That you, you, you're-

• 46:33Speaker 00

  Oh, you shouldn't have rated this, that, or it's like, you don't know shit about music, or-

• 46:36Adam Friedland?

  But that's not a hate comment!

• 46:37Speaker 00

  No, it is!

• 46:38Adam Friedland?

  Why? Because they disagree with your opinion on a song?

• 46:41Speaker 00

  No, like, you're a fucking idiot, you rated this wrong. Well, what is hate?

• 46:45Adam Friedland?

  I don't know, I've got people telling me that-

• 46:47Speaker 00

  Or people claiming like, you didn't even listen to the album, or you don't know shit about music, you're a fucking fat ass, melon head, white loser, fucking-

• 46:56Adam Friedland?

  That's fine, it's the internet.

• 46:57Speaker 00

  Uh, slur this, slur that, something else, something else.

• 46:59Adam Friedland?

  What slur is there for you?

• 47:00Speaker 00

  Uh, like, like, uh-

• 47:04Adam Friedland?

  What slur?

• 47:04Speaker 00

  Everybody also sort of like, on Twitter now-

• 47:06Adam Friedland?

  Italian slurs?

• 47:07Speaker 00

  Not even that, like, like, like homophobic slurs. Oh, yeah, yeah. People on Twitter are sort of like, everybody's using retard now, everybody's just like saying everyone's sort of retard.

• 47:17Adam Friedland?

  It's the internet, it's hell on earth.

• 47:18Speaker 00

  No, it is hell on earth, but it's getting worse.

• 47:21Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, I know. Elon did free speech and it's too scary, I think. I think we found that out. It's Sodom and Gomorrah.

• 47:28Speaker 00

  It's not even free speech, they just wanted to be free to talk like 4th graders on the internet, that's all it is. It's not about a free expression of ideas, it's about a freedom to be a 4th grader on the internet.

• 47:38Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, I think you are right, like, in 4th grade, a lot of people were like, that the Holocaust never happened.

• 47:46Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. No, but I'm saying, you're on 4chan, don't act like the internet's, you've seen crazy stuff on the internet.

• 47:52Speaker 00

  By the time that I was on 4chan, I had already read Howard Zinn, Noam Chomsky, and been introduced.

• 48:00Adam Friedland?

  Can we cut that for him?

• 48:01Speaker 00

  Been introduced to-

• 48:02Adam Friedland?

  You can't say that you read the people, you can't say that you had read Noam Chomsky-

• 48:07Speaker 00

  People's history?

• 48:07Adam Friedland?

  Before you joined 4chan.

• 48:09Speaker 00

  I did.

• 48:10Adam Friedland?

  But that's, you don't, come on, bro.

• 48:13Speaker 00

  So the thing is, like, by the time I came-

• 48:14Adam Friedland?

  You're stressing me out right now.

• 48:15Speaker 00

  By the time I came across a lot of the ideological stuff that was on there, I was already like, oh, this is psychotic, you know?

• 48:21Adam Friedland?

  Because you read the people's history of, no, come on.

• 48:25Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 48:26Adam Friedland?

  Because you read two things?

• 48:28Speaker 00

  Well, no, it wasn't just two things, what I'm saying, like-

• 48:30Adam Friedland?

  You've seen, you've seen wackadoo stuff, that's what I'm saying.

• 48:34Speaker 00

  I'm saying if you-

• 48:34Adam Friedland?

  I'm saying you've been exposed to that before.

• 48:36Speaker 00

  Okay, well, first off, let's like, let's like, not disregard Howard Zinn's people's history as like, not the essential tome-

• 48:43Adam Friedland?

  Light tree.

• 48:44Speaker 00

  On imperialism that it is.

• 48:46Adam Friedland?

  I know, I've read it.

• 48:46Speaker 00

  And once you understand that, I feel, and, and once you understand that and have read it, there's like, a lot of, I think, fear-based white identity politics that you're kind of like, automatically inoculated against, because you actually see, like-

• 49:00Adam Friedland?

  Oh, you're talking about Holocaust denial, I'm sorry, I'm going off-

• 49:02Speaker 00

  I'm talking about Holocaust denial and also imperialism, and I feel like there's a lot of that, that you understand as bullshit, when you're confronted with it, when you sort of understand the broader history of imperialism across the world.

• 49:14Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, but I, I've never actually been on 4chan much, but is, is it scary, stuff like that?

• 49:20Speaker 00

  Um, I would say it's, it's probably, I, I, I think because it's been like, sold off, and a lot of like, the worst places, where you kind of get a hold of those ideologies, it's kind of been pulled out of Pandora's box, and you can kind of see that stuff on Twitter now. I feel like you don't need to go to 4chan anymore to see that shit.

• 49:37Adam Friedland?

  Well, that's, that's the point I was making, is like-

• 49:38Speaker 00

  Like, we're talking, we're talking about, we're talking about numerous eras here, the time period in which I was there, there was more of a variety of different people of ideologies, because there weren't a whole lot of places to talk about a lot of the stuff that people were talking about on 4chan.

• 49:52Adam Friedland?

  It was a board.

• 49:53Speaker 00

  It was, it was many different boards, but the thing is, like, for example, on the music board, because I was mostly on the music board. Whenever somebody would be coming, whenever somebody-

• 50:00Adam Friedland?

  Russian blue.

• 50:01Speaker 00

  Radiohead. Whenever somebody would come in and say something ridiculous or racist or sort of like offensive, people would just be like, "Go back to the politics."

• 50:11Adam Friedland?

  To the racist one?

• 50:12Speaker 00

  To the politics board. Like, mostly the politics board was kind of just like relegated to the psychos. But then, once there became more variety of places to discuss music, anime, so on and so forth, being on Reddit or wherever, it became less essential to go talk about it there.

• 50:29Adam Friedland?

  Yeah.

• 50:29Speaker 00

  So like, a lot of the psychopaths just started like running the asylum. And also, it got sold off and so on and so forth and...

• 50:36Adam Friedland?

  Who bought it?

• 50:36Speaker 00

  I forget.

• 50:37Adam Friedland?

  Even more racist guy?

• 50:39Speaker 00

  I think, I think maybe a less racist guy. I cannot remember.

• 50:42Adam Friedland?

  Oh, there was a documentary about it where it was like a little guy in a bed. What, did you guys see that? The 4chan documentary? What was that little guy in the bed all about?

• 50:52Adam Friedland?

  Right? You saw that, no? I forget.

• 50:59Adam Friedland?

  Sick dude. Have you listened to his stuff?

• 51:04Speaker 00

  Can't say I have.

• 51:05Adam Friedland?

  Have you made music?

• 51:07Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 51:07Adam Friedland?

  And you're, you've been in bands?

• 51:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:09Adam Friedland?

  You're a bassist, right?

• 51:10Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:12Adam Friedland?

  Do you have any like songs that I, that I could listen to?

• 51:18Speaker 00

  No.

• 51:19Adam Friedland?

  Come on dude.

• 51:20Speaker 00

  No.

• 51:20Adam Friedland?

  Why don't you get a little taste of your own medicine?

• 51:25Adam Friedland?

  Just let me, I'll, I'm not gonna be mean about it.

• 51:28Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 51:29Adam Friedland?

  Well, I thought you were about to give me a million dollars.

• 51:30Speaker 00

  No, no, no, sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 51:31Adam Friedland?

  Chapstick, yeah. It dries out your lips more.

• 51:34Speaker 00

  No, it doesn't.

• 51:34Adam Friedland?

  No, you gotta use Aqua4.

• 51:36Speaker 00

  Oh, okay.

• 51:37Adam Friedland?

  Uh, we'll go to the CVS after this. Alright.

• 51:42Adam Friedland?

  Lil, I wanna hear, I'll play, I'll give you a song of mine. We'll both put on headphones and then honest reviews.

• 51:47Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 51:48Adam Friedland?

  Are you down?

• 51:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:49Adam Friedland?

  For real though?

• 51:50Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 51:51Adam Friedland?

  Okay.

• 51:54Adam Friedland?

  Whoa.

• 51:57Adam Friedland?

  This is exclusive for me?

• 51:58Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 51:59Adam Friedland?

  Are your friends and family have heard this?

• 52:01Speaker 00

  Um, a couple people, like friends that I've sent it to on my phone.

• 52:04Adam Friedland?

  But the closest friends?

• 52:05Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:09Speaker 00

  Where the fuck is... Jesus Christ.

• 52:13Adam Friedland?

  So, you're a music critic?

• 52:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:18Adam Friedland?

  Can I ask you a serious question though?

• 52:20Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 52:20Adam Friedland?

  Have you ever farted into Shazam and discovered your new favorite U2 song?

• 52:29Speaker 00

  No, I have not.

• 52:30Adam Friedland?

  You should. That's how I...

• 52:36Adam Friedland?

  That's how I discovered that song was up. Uno, dos, tres, catorce. Da-da-da-da-da.

• 52:43Speaker 00

  [bleep]

• 52:44Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, okay. Disgusting. What do you think is better, rock or rap?

• 52:52Adam Friedland?

  Just answer it, dude. Let's settle the goat.

• 52:59Adam Friedland?

  It's because you... It's top lag because you have the same birthday. It's disgusting.

• 53:05Speaker 00

  All right. You're gonna hate those. And I think this is like, really shitty.

• 53:08Adam Friedland?

  Why? Why, why?

• 53:10Speaker 00

  Yeah, you're not gonna like it.

• 53:11Adam Friedland?

  No, you know what you're doing? You're saying something because it's really scary to put yourself out there like that.

• 53:16Speaker 00

  Just put on the headphones.

• 53:17Adam Friedland?

  And then, think about...

• 53:18Speaker 00

  No, I got it, I got it. Are you ready? Are you ready?

• 53:21Adam Friedland?

  Yeah. These are your headphones, were you?

• 53:23Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:24Adam Friedland?

  You should have better headphones.

• 53:26Speaker 00

  I mean, I know, they're cheap. Okay, are you ready?

• 53:28Adam Friedland?

  You're probably...

• 53:28Speaker 00

  Are you ready?

• 53:29Adam Friedland?

  You have ten million dollars?

• 53:31Speaker 00

  Yeah, about.

• 53:32Adam Friedland?

  That's what you do?

• 53:33Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 53:34Adam Friedland?

  You make mad money, probably. All right, let's go.

• 53:35Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 53:41Adam Friedland?

  Whistle.

• 54:08Adam Friedland?

  Uh, Trump.

• 54:09Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 54:10Adam Friedland?

  Trump, yeah.

• 54:10Speaker 00

  It's a political thing. Yeah.

• 54:12Adam Friedland?

  Trump is done after this.

• 54:14Speaker 00

  Done after this.

• 54:45Adam Friedland?

  You, this is diss track, diss track.

• 54:50Speaker 00

  If you want to read it that way.

• 54:51Adam Friedland?

  He's a diss track on Trump.

• 54:55Adam Friedland?

  You're diss shit.

• 55:10Speaker 00

  This is like a short thing.

• 55:11Adam Friedland?

  It's not short, that seemed like it took forever.

• 55:13Speaker 00

  It's less than two minutes.

• 55:14Adam Friedland?

  Oh, okay. You really did that, you really did that for yourself?

• 55:19Speaker 00

  By myself, yeah.

• 55:20Adam Friedland?

  But if you want to take down Trump, you gotta release this crap.

• 55:24Speaker 00

  I don't want to release it, it's crap.

• 55:25Adam Friedland?

  He's been accused 10 times, what, it's a, the style, okay, I'll give you my honest reaction.

• 55:34Adam Friedland?

  Making that for yourself is, that's, that's a very interesting thing to think about.

• 55:40Speaker 00

  Why?

• 55:42Adam Friedland?

  Well, I don't know, do you feel like you're getting, you're getting your rocks off a little bit, like, uh?

• 55:46Speaker 00

  Uh, it's not so much about like, I guess I just wanted to see if I could do it.

• 55:50Adam Friedland?

  If you could do a diss track on Trump?

• 55:52Speaker 00

  Well, just record a song.

• 55:53Adam Friedland?

  Oh, is that your only song you've ever done?

• 55:55Speaker 00

  No.

• 55:58Adam Friedland?

  Oh, so why did you say you wanted to see if you could record a song?

• 56:00Speaker 00

  Oh, I haven't recorded a song that sounded quite like that.

• 56:03Adam Friedland?

  Oh, yeah, it sounds a lot like, uh, it's like, uh, yeah, like, like, uh, 90's, uh...

• 56:10Speaker 00

  Bit of a post-punky thing.

• 56:11Adam Friedland?

  Talk, yeah, talking, yeah, like when they, college radio.

• 56:16Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:16Adam Friedland?

  My United States of whatever, kind of thing.

• 56:20Speaker 00

  That's a, that's a banger.

• 56:22Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 56:22Speaker 00

  Syphilis.

• 56:23Adam Friedland?

  It's kind of that, but I'm just thinking, like, um, to, to, you were like, you know, it's really just a, it's a song about Donald Trump for yourself.

• 56:33Speaker 00

  And it's about like weird, it's about like-

• 56:34Adam Friedland?

  It's a fascinating thing to think about.

• 56:36Speaker 00

  Weird right-wingers that I see on the internet.

• 56:38Adam Friedland?

  I think it was pretty much about Donald, yeah, but it's, but it's for yourself.

• 56:42Speaker 00

  There's like a reference there, yeah.

• 56:42Adam Friedland?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 56:43Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:45Adam Friedland?

  It's just an interesting thing.

• 56:47Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 56:49Adam Friedland?

  But you, but it's, you're never gonna drop it, right?

• 56:52Speaker 00

  I don't think so.

• 56:53Adam Friedland?

  Are you gonna keep practicing trying new diss tracks on Trump until you're ready?

• 56:57Speaker 00

  No, I'm probably just gonna keep practicing just writing and recording different types of songs.

• 57:00Adam Friedland?

  I think you're a good guy. I think, I think kids find out a lot about, a lot of cool stuff because of you.

• 57:06Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 57:07Adam Friedland?

  Thank you, bro. Bye.

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